From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 13:20:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01784 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:20:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from LLIC.Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01781 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:20:15 -0800 Received: from [24.16.29.242] (dhcp-24-16-29-242.corp.home.net [24.16.29.242]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24071 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:18:15 -0800 Received: from [24.16.29.242] (127.0.0.1) by [24.16.29.242] with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0) for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:18:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:17:52 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [footbag] Moderator's note, please read Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Folks, sorry that the footbag@footbag.org list has been completely dead for almost two weeks. Unfortunately, as with everything non-work-related in my life, I've been unable to keep up with the volumes of requests on that and other things related to footbag.org. I don't want to make excuses but I want everyone to understand that I'm just now catching up and going through e-mail sent to footbag@footbag.org that has not yet been seen by everyone on the list. Working 90 hours a week (as many of you also do) makes this kind of thing hard to prioritize. I'm about to send a few messages, many of which are now between 1 and 2 weeks old. Please note the Date: headers in each message to see when they were really sent, and for those of you who have mail programs that stupidly insert messages into your mailbox based on the Date: header (completely wrong behavior, by the way), you may need to scroll back as far as October 20th to find the messages. If you have a smart mail program but it's just configured wrong, you can sort by the latest Received: header instead to see mail that really is new even if the Date: of the original post was many days ago... Look for messages with [footbag] in the subject line to find the new messages. I'll be sending them next. Thanks. Steve P.S. Also note that the "self-service" thread is *mostly* dead, though I'll approve one or two posts on the subject. As that conversation became mostly about advanced freestyle, it did not really belong on the footbag@footbag.org general list, but rather on the freestyle@footbag.org specific list. So don't be mad if I reject your post or if you don't see it next. There were a *lot* of posts and in the interest of time, I won't send out rejection messages for all of them. If you don't see your message next, I rejected it based on this issue. Thanks. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 13:26:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01797 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:26:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from foundationcomputing.net ([207.160.174.55]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12386 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:12:36 -0700 Received: from [207.160.174.20] (HELO [207.160.174.20]) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with ESMTP id 139102 for footbag@footbag.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 08:12:20 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:12:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [footbag] Self-service From: Derrick Fogle To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39F3E3D1.5AFE9E18@dallasfootbag.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On 10/23/00 2:08 AM, Derric Scalf at derric@dallasfootbag.org wrote: > If I'm kicking by myself, I get too tired to keep going. If I'm > in a circle with two or three other people, I get the perfect amount of Ha ha! There's your problem! You young punks just don't have the stamina. When I was your age, I could freestyle solo for three hours, against the wind, uphill, in the snow! Now that I'm an old fart, I can still put out a hour and a half (still uphill in the snow, mind you). Styling solo is so important! It allows you to find your own style. It allows you to focus and test more limits than whether or not you can 'hit' a single move. It gives you a chance to discover flow. I may not be able to blister anyone's butt with 6-add moves, but if you can't style solo hard for an hour, this funky old man can put the pot on slow boil and make a tender, juicy rump roast out of you. Yeah, I know, everyone self serves these days. A 'generally accepted practice'. It's just me that can't stand it. -Derrick From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 13:28:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01812 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:28:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f254.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.129]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18077 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:45:48 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:45:04 -0700 Received: from 63.208.236.23 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:45:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.208.236.23] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: derric@dallasfootbag.org, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Self-service Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:45:03 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2000 21:45:04.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[80972340:01C03D3A] Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Derric Scalf wrote: >So, in summary... there are two types of play - skooling and showing. >Don't self serve if you are trying to put on a show. But, if you are >skooling a new move, why not? If you don't self serve, it will take >you a lot longer to progress. At least that is my opinion...>> So in other words, there's a time and place for everything...like when Joe Schmoe is in his backyard or whatever...its tolerable...because Joe Schmoe is skooling solo.... When Joe Schmoe shows up at worlds and steps in a circle he should follow the etiquette... btw I was kicking it view of a public place the other day and for no reason some guy drove by looked me right in the eye and gave me the finger...I later realized he had his girlfriend in the passenger seat and felt we posed a threat to him in some way... some people take kindly to freestyle... others communicate their feelings with sign language...it was just weird I had never seen him before in my life but somehow offended him by just shredding out... superficiality rules the world...freestyle undermines all that shit! Keep kicking til the walls come tumbling down... ~Bryan From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 13:34:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01853 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:34:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from foundationcomputing.net ([207.160.174.55]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22547 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:12:36 -0700 Received: from [207.160.174.60] (HELO mlerf.org) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with SMTP id 150199; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:12:32 -0500 Received: from [4.3.96.201] by mlerf.org (CommuniGate SMTP 3.1.3) with ESMTP id S.2936233938ov for ,...; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:12:19 -0500 Message-ID: <39F882C6.B256231F@gte.net> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:15:21 -0500 From: Ida Bettis-Fogle Reply-To: mama.ida@gte.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Dubman CC: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Self-service References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org ...or what it's like to be a geezer... Ian Dubman wrote: And I, most definitely, will not change my style. > Most people I kick with are under the exact same mentality I am. We do have > an old skooler who does not agree with self-serving at all. What are you > gonna do? I respect his thoughts and, as I said, USUALLY do not self-serve. > Others do not. Such is life. Shit happens. I think it may be hard to realize that when many of us geriatric types were introduced to footbag, the rule of always serving to someone else was as much a basic part of the philosophy of the game as the rule of not using your hands. The cooperative aspect of the sport was one of the building blocks that made footbag footbag. There's always been a bit of difficulty balancing the desire to promote the sport to a wider audience by implementing positive changes and the need to maintain the sport's integrity. Yes, we want the sport to grow, but do we want to destroy it in order to save it? I've seen some really positive changes happen in the sport - the number of kicks allowed in net, the...no wait, old skoolers never changed anything. I must've imagined it. So I'll jump from that tangent to another. I rarely kick with anyone else any more (due more to life circumstances than anything. Just wait till you have kids, Ian...heh, heh...evil grin) On the rare occasions when I do kick with others it's always a bit shocking to be reminded that people self-serve so much now. Because of the service rules drilled into me at the beginning, when I see self-serving it seems it's not quite footbag any more. Of course, rather than leave the circle, I stay and try to set a good example for the youngsters. Heavy sigh. So, young whipper snappers, imagine this scene 8 or 9 years down the road. And believe me, the time will pass more quickly than you realize. You'll step into a newer younger group of kickers, who admittedly are doing some amazing footwork...and occasionally batting the bag around with their hands. You say, "Wait, what's this business with the hands? That's not footbag!" They then inform you that "no hands" is the old skool philosophy. Then you'll know you've achieved geezerhood. Do I sound like anyone's grandmother yet? -- Ida Bettis Fogle From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 13:40:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01866 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:40:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from press.ripcity.com ([199.2.204.132]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28272 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:25:30 -0700 Received: by PRESS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:24:36 -0700 Message-ID: <5A255F90CA1AD211BA1400104B93712E0277192F@post.ripcity.com> From: Steve Dusablon To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] The death of a sport Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:24:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org OK, first off I want to quickly address the self serve thing. DON'T DO IT! It is just stupid, selfish, and not a part of kicking unless you are absolutely by yourself. I don't know about all of you freestylers but when I first started kicking a bag in a circle there were three rules 1) No hands (pretty basic), 2) No saying "Sorry" ( This was because the folks in the circle were supposed to be a team and if the bag hit the floor on "your" turn, it was the whole teams fault and not just yours), and 3) NO SELF SERVING !!! (It is a social and friendly thing, we are all in this circle together) When I teach classes, give demos, or show anyone about the sport, I still tell them these three rules because they are still as valid today as the very first day I laid my foot on that 2 panel Hacky Sack. Now the "Death of a Sport" thing. There are a few issues here that need to be dealt with I think. First of all I have to agree with Tu here, WHO oh WHO is going to have Worlds next year? This, to me, is the true sign of the apocolypse of footbag. No one is going to step up and save this game and I will tell you why, it's too freakin hard. There are so many things to deal with when you want to put Worlds on and anyone who has been a part of this process will tell you so without too much provocation. There are host hotels to think of, sponsors, indoor and outdoor locations to hunt down and inspect, there is food and drink needs for players (God help you if you don't provide beer) as well as spectators, there is advertising and promotion, equipment to be gathered, lines to be painted, medals to be purchased, sound systems to be obtained and somewhere to plug them in.... yada yada yada. It is simply a TON of stuff. This is where I make my mighty segway into one of the issues I have been talking about on this list for some time... PROFFESSIONAL REPRESENTATION! This is the perfect time to discuss this with my fellow footbag community members. Why can we not seek out someone or some organization to handle these things for us? Do you think pro beach volleyballers worry about where their incoming competitors are going to sleep? I don't think they do. The reason is that some sports management operation takes care of all of this stuff for them. There must be a way to seek these organizations out. I, for one, would be happy to pay a small anual fee to an organization such as this (say $50, which turns out to be quite a bit when you multiply it by the 250 players you can have at Worlds), to take care of all of these needs for me. It would be worth $50 just to know there WOULD be a World Championships somewhere in the world, and I would happily pay it even if I was not planning on showing up. I would love to hear ANY feedback on this idea, be it negative or positive. The other issue that pertains to the death of footbag is new players. I can't really speak for the freestyle side of the game, but it has been a while since I have seen any new faces on the net court that were not from Yves brood. Net is a tough game and the learning curve for most folks is an extremely long one. I would say that you have to practice for a good 3 years to get anywhere in the open division of net and it is tough to get that practice when you are that new. That is the Catch 22. Here in Portland we give all passers by that are interested, one game to check it out. We tell them our approximate practice times, we exchange phone numbers and e-mail addresses to try to get them to come back to a practice session. We hold practice in the same spot every time. We usually have more than one net court in case new folks want to play. Despite this, as well as having heavyweights(not a dis on your physique Trish) like Tricia George, and light heavyweight ( a definite, and obvious dis) Dave Bernard, we have not had more than one truly interested new player in the last 2 years. I don't know what can be done about this. Most folks who pass by will say "Look, Hacky Sack volleyball" just like they do everywhere else, and we can usually get folks to try it once but that is it. Once they see how hard it is, and how much different it is than the cicle kicking they are used to, we lose them. The only idea I have for this is some type of promo. If there were "Flying Clipper" commercials or (heaven forbid) "Nike" commercials, showing Sebastian( as if he would show up) just sole swatting the stitches out of some bag and then Emmanuel (just a suggestion, even Gator would do here) digging it to some extreme, alternative, heavy metal, we would not have enough courts to go around on the weekends. This leads me back to our PROFESSIONAL REPRESENTATION. So I guess that is the entirety of my lame posting. Good luck to you all and good kicking. If I don't see you at Worlds 2001, I will see you around, Steve Dusablon From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 13:41:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01877 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:41:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 3438 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2000 13:08:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20001027130856.3437.qmail@web2901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.216.84.43] by web2901.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 06:08:56 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 06:08:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Upton Subject: [footbag] net videos? To: footbag@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I was just wondering--does anyone have any mpg videos of footbag net? I've been looking all over the web and can't find any, but I'd like to watch at least one match just to see what it's all about. The best I've found are a few still images. Dan Upton From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 13:42:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01889 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:42:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA32717 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:01:46 -0800 Received: from dialup-216-7-176-129.sirius.net ([216.7.176.129] helo=a) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13qdqp-0000gi-00 for Footbag@footbag.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:01:27 -0800 Message-ID: <005601c04354$2080ce00$81b007d8@a> From: "Nicholas Jaros" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Lighted Net Court Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:03:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id NAB01889 Yosarian Kelly and I have been discussing building a lighted net court in my backyard in Mill Valley, California. My idea was to put four to six flood lights on each of four 15ft. poles and set them into the ground, one at each corner of the court. Yo advised me that a high set will dissappear into the darkness and came up with the idea of placing some florecscent lighting on the ground pointing up, and said that if the poles could be even higher it would probably be better. I thought some of you out there might have done something like this before and could give us your two bits. Thanks, Nick Jaros From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 13:48:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01925 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:48:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from [24.16.29.242] (dhcp-24-16-29-242.corp.home.net [24.16.29.242]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01922 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:48:52 -0800 Received: from [24.16.29.242] (127.0.0.1) by [24.16.29.242] with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0) for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:46:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001027130856.3437.qmail@web2901.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20001027130856.3437.qmail@web2901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:46:04 -0800 To: footbag@list.footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] net videos? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 6:08 AM -0700 10/27/00, Dan Upton wrote: >I was just wondering--does anyone have any mpg videos of footbag net? >I've been looking all over the web and can't find any, but I'd like to >watch at least one match just to see what it's all about. The best >I've found are a few still images. I've got all of the net moves videos that the Montreal gang created for http://quebec.footbag.org/ linked into the net move list on footbag.org, but it's not yet really officially released. You can see the French version at http://quebec.footbag.org/ and the unofficial footbag.org net move list at http://www.footbag.org/moves/listnet (but there are bugs, be warned). But the best thing to do is to get real vidoetapes of net competitions -- you can get them from lots of folks on this list (please trade those e-mails privately). I'm sure people will write you as a result of your post offering copies. It's definitely one of my goals to get more net video on footbag.org -- if only anyone out there would put some video of net on the website... Steve P.S. Today -- the absolute best website for footbag net is http://quebec.footbag.org/ -- too bad it's mostly in that wierd language Quebecois. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 18:29:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02664 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:29:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32554 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 17:12:12 -0800 Received: from 0017407414 (sdn-ar-002nynyorP230.dialsprint.net [168.191.119.246]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA03554 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 17:11:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001d01c0478e$797039e0$f677bfa8@0017407414> Reply-To: "Josh Penney" From: "Josh Penney" To: References: <5A255F90CA1AD211BA1400104B93712E0277192F@post.ripcity.com> Subject: Re: [footbag] The death of a sport Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 20:10:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > I don't know about all of you > freestylers but when I first started kicking a bag in a circle there > were three rules It's true. I wonder what happened? I've somehow become a manic self-server and lost a rule; ask anyone. Sorry. Whoops, that's two. > This is where I make my mighty segway into one of the issues I have > been talking about on this list for some time... PROFFESSIONAL > REPRESENTATION! > >I, for one, would be > happy to pay a small anual fee to an organization such as this (say > $50, which turns out to be quite a bit when you multiply it by the > 250 players you can have at Worlds), to take care of all of these > needs for me. This is a complicated scenario. I've thought of five or six different approaches to discussing some of the problems with this, but it keeps getting bigger than me. It always starts with "first: I hereby nominate the WWFF, as a blanketing global nonprofit to..." It is unfair to put the onus of 'making footbag huge' upon anyone else. We all are equally responsible for promoting footbag in our respective areas. What will work in Portland or Helsinki will not necessarily work in NYC. Hiring a pr firm is costly, and you probably don't want to be responsible for a nationwide footbag campaign. Imagine three hackeyslackers, junior high schoolers that comprise a local club swamped with calls from parents who want their kids to become the next Yo Kelley? (Lord forbid). Imagine a genuine interest without someone to cultivate it? I would like to suggest a number of ideas to bounce around your local clubs. Yes, most of this is old hat to you folks but just in case there's anyone new on this list: 1. actually hold club meetings- I don't know about the rest of you but we don't, unless you include occasionally grabbing food together after sessions. 2. decide on goals and take steps to accomplish them. It helps to write things down, such as "I'm going to make that flyer about our weekly jams and put it up at the local schools' or 'Today's the day I call the guys for that $20 for a public access spot to just show footbag training videos on tv". I also thought of donating videos to local skate shops. Most of them have televisions with random footage, always on- they love to see something else. Even CKY2K gets boring after awhile. For contact info leave a stack of cards or a flyer. When was the last time you watched 'raw shred' anyway? I had a number of ideas to the other issues Steve mentioned but they're even more LAme. It always starts like a bad joke: a consultant, a lawyer, an accountant and Steve Goldberg walk into a bar... JP From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 8 07:56:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09526 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 07:56:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.19]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31335 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 07:02:45 -0800 Received: from default - 63.11.186.153 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 07:01:03 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01c04995$3adb9e00$53b90b3f@default> From: "Tina Lewis" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Texas State Weather Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:04:12 -0600 Organization: Microsoft Corporation X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi all, We are looking forward to a great weekend but crossing our fingers for the weather. Ariel has reserved an indoor site for Sunday Freestyle. Net and Golf - The forcast for the weekend is all over the place. It will be fairly cold (highs in 60s and 70s --hey we're Texans) and the rain is being forecast for Saturday as everything from 40% to slight chance of rain or no rain and slight chance of raint to no rain on Sunday. Who knows... It has been very rainy and wet here for the last 2 weeks - the ground is saturated so prepare for mud even if we have sun. We are hoping the good forecasts are correct, the rain has kept us from playing lately. We will play net in the rain if its not too heavy and if the fields can take it. Golf will probably happen as well. Looking forward to a footbag weekend. Tina. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 26 21:59:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17387 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 21:59:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (smtp.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.26]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17742; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 00:46:09 -0800 Received: from sympatico.ca ([206.172.147.154]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001126084530.PPSP28285.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca>; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 03:45:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3A20CDD6.B04DDEA1@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 03:46:15 -0500 From: Yves Archambault Reply-To: yevez@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Jack Schoolcraft's family needs our support Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi everybody, Yves Archambault speaking here, for the ones who don't know me, I organized World Footbag Championships in 96 and 98 in Montreal. Today's topic is a bit special as I will be solliciting your solidarity with a fellow footbagger. Last summer, my dear friend Jack Schoolcraft's family suffered from a severe road accident. His wife Jayne and kid Mirkan (9 years old) were hit by a drunk driver when coming back walking from a golf disc session (Frisbee). The drunkard lost control of his Hummer, to which was attached a trailer that jacknifed, leaving no place to go to for Jack and his wife and son. Jack escaped the trap when he almost fainted off the road. Mirkan and Jayne were not so lucky and they got hit by the trailer. Mirkan almost lost one of his legs and Jayne had multiple fractures and over 200 lacerations over her body. They were very lucky to be alive. Jack broke his 2 hands in the rescue operation, taking the guardrail off his son's leg, which was squeezed by the trailer. He subsequently lost his job because of that. All of you are aware of the cost of rehab and medical in the US and although Jack's family will probably collect big money from the felon, it could take a minimum of 3 years to see any of it. I've been told about this around the US open time and I couldn't stop thinking about them, so I decided to organize a collect for Jack's family. Please be generous and show that we are a tight group when it counts. The package from Montreal already left for Oregon and I hope that some of you are gonna be sensitive to this issue. I know how hard it can get finacially when someone is hurt, I had to go trough some hard times when I had my knee operated 2 years ago. Contributors to date: Martin CÙtÈ Brenda and Joe Solonoski Jack Lentz Yves Archambault For those who don't know Jack Schoolcraft, he's one of the founders of this sport. He has been very influential in the freestyle beginnings and one of Peter Irish's first models. He had a very fluid and graceful style, perfect flyers and a lot of poise. Jack was also a very good net player and he was really committed to Footbag. One year he played in 13 tournaments which is probably a record. He went all over the country, driving twice from Oregon to the East Coast to play hard all the time. (He won a lot of those tourneys that year 1987). That's all I have to say, now it's up to you, don't hesitate to give Jack a call, last time I talked to him he was still in shock. Send your donations to: Jack Schoolcraft for Mirkan Schoolcraft 866 Clark St. Eugene, OR 97402 Jack's phone number: (541) 302-6885