From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 4 11:45:04 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA02652 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:45:04 -0800 Received: from web20302.mail.yahoo.com (web20302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.83]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA22757 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:42:37 -0800 Message-ID: <20020303174233.99679.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.234.114.118] by web20302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 09:42:33 PST Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:42:33 -0800 (PST) From: Julie Symons Reply-To: julie@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Hall of Fame Nomination Seconds To: thehuff1@aol.com, footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hi Kickers and Hall o'famers, I second the nominations for the following five people. Eric Cole Tim Vosar Jay Mouldenhauer Ian Kobayashi Steve Blough While they may not have a big presence in footbag today, these guys we're notable figures when I "discovered" footbag. I think each has contributed tons to the sport and deserve recognition. And if any of you above are reading this, "Thanks for all you've given to footbag." Cheers, Julie From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 4 14:09:48 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA08834 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:09:48 -0800 Received: from foundationcomputing.net (donorport.org [207.160.174.56]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA08728 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:07:09 -0800 Received: from derrick.mlerf.org ([207.160.174.20] verified) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3.2) with ESMTP id 851909 for footbag@footbag.org; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 16:02:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:08:56 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: [footbag] What will make YOU join the IFPA? From: Derrick Fogle To: footbag@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6C00D39E-2FBC-11D6-8E1A-003065BA9A0E@fogles.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Membership statistics for the IFPA quite frankly stink, to the point where mass marketing probably gets a better response from un-targeted spam than the IFPA has gotten so far from you all, the most highly targeted and interested group the IFPA can find. As the newly appointed Membership Director for the IFPA, I need to know what will make YOU (yes, *YOU*) join the IFPA. Please reply to me personally, not the list. Thanks for your input, and keep kicking! -Derrick Fogle -footbag.org list moderator -IFPA Membership Director From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 6 05:55:59 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA19478 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 05:55:59 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA17183 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:19:27 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GSH077017OAI3@clem.mscd.edu> for footbag@footbag.org; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 18:19:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GSH076827OAML@clem.mscd.edu>; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 18:19:22 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 18:01:27 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [footbag] Hall of Fame Nomination Seconds To: footbag , thehuff1 Message-id: <3C691278@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hey all... Especially Freestylers. I'd like to put in my seconds for "Rippin'" Rick Reese Rick is a major innovator in freestyle and has progressed the sport through both monetary and physical means. For those of you who don't realize it, Rippin' has invented and co-invented a HUGE percentage of the tricks and concepts that we all use in freestyle shred. Most of the younger players haven't even been alive as many years as Rick has invested in this sport and he's still a major force. While you're all sitting there typing to the list, make sure to include votes for Rick to the list and to Ted Huff. Later, Brad From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 12 15:05:41 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA08300 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:05:41 -0800 Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA14252 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 06:23:20 -0800 From: Ted Huff Received: from Thehuff1@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.e4.241a28a5 (3858) for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:23:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:23:14 EST Subject: [footbag] Last update and reminder: nomination support still open until 3/31/02 To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org FYI If you and your friends want to see someone honored this year, for their leadership of the sport, then now is the time to send in your nomination, or second of a current nomination, including any testimonial for that person. Again, the criteria for addition to the final ballot is based on the top 5 in multiple nominations by 3/31/02. To add your support, 1. send email to: FootbagHallofFame@footbag.org, 2. if you want to use that support to encourage others to do the same, cc footbag@footbag.org. Pass It On ! To date, the nominees are: Alan Petersen, Chris "Gator" Routh, Ian Kobiyashi, Jay Muldenhauer, Chris Ott, Steve Blough, "Rippin' " Rick Reese, Brent Welch, Jody Welch, Peter Shunny, Peter Irish, Scott Milne, Brenda Solonoski, Randy Nelson, Ida Fogle, Jeff Haas, Julie Symons, Lisa McDaniel, "Pop" Warner, Tony Robinson, Justin Sexton, Gary Griggs, Etienne Constable, Randy Mulder, Chard Cook, Jon Lind, Gary Preston, Fred Kippley, R.B.Benedetti, "Dutch" Holland, Beal Beathurum, Ed LaMacchia, Jeremy Kumbruck, and Jubal Hume. Please plan to support your sport, and it's leaders from past to present. Nominate/support now, and plan to to be at Worlds 2002 ! Note: The following are already on the final ballot, per automatic carryover from last year's final ballot voting: Eric Cole, "Sam" Conlon, Derrick Fogle, Sabra Jean Hall, Maxell Smith Jr. , and Tim Vosar ! From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 15 11:13:36 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA09393 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:13:36 -0800 Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12334 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:08:58 -0800 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA48964; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:08:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:08:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Sunil S. Jani" To: Ted Huff cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] 2nds requested for Eric Wulff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Dearest HOF Committee and Footbag List Members: I was not going to send in any endorsements this year, because of the absolute travesty of not inducting Rippin or Peter Irish last year (they didn't even get enough votes to be automatically carried over? It seems to me that something is seriously wrong/biased in this process if this has happened - I am indeed questioning the system, not the current members or nominees)... however, I now see this year as a chance for the hall of fame to correct what I perceive to have been a heinous injustice... I nominate Eric Wulff for the footbag hall of fame. He has retired from freestyle (which was one of the major reasons I heard for excluding Magnum PI and Rippin last year... that they were not retired... that is sh*#&te, it is either a criteria to be retired or it is not). Vince, Peter and some of the older-skool east coast die hards can most certainly testify to his promotion of the sport along the east coast in running and promoting tournaments. A major innovator in team freestyle from his days on Dr. Fad to the summer(s?) he spent as a footbag clown at a New Jersey amusement park (when, if I recall correctly, he did his East Coast Championships team routine in clown-face, no?) through his tremendous routines as part of the Ocean County Clippers. In my opinion he has done some of the most intricately choreographed routines ever! He is the 1998 singles world champion, and a multi-time doubles world champion. He has been a member of the BAP since early 1995 (and is an original member of the First Family) and has superbly integrated and innovated ducks, spins, flyers, and several variations of multibag juggling into his arsenal of footbag tricks. He is one of less than five people to have ever hit a quadruple dexterity move. The "Ironman" took freestyle to unpesedented new heights with his incredible vision and exectuion for the 2001 world footbag championships (and may merit induction based solely on this alone!)... just wait until you see how great 2002 will be. One of the last players to be a serious competor in both net and freestyle (#2 overall in 1995(?)); he has proven that he is truly the "Ironman" of footbag by recently retaking flight above the net with vicious roll spikes. There is not much time left in the process, so please everyone write in with seconds for Eric!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In addition, I second the nominations of Rippin, Peter Irish, Jay Moldenhauer, and Steve Goldberg. Thanks for reading. Sunil On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Ted Huff wrote: > that person. Again, the criteria for addition to the final ballot is based > on the top 5 in multiple nominations by 3/31/02. > To add your support, > 1. send email to: FootbagHallofFame@footbag.org, > 2. if you want to use that support to encourage others to do the same, > cc footbag@footbag.org. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 15 11:14:53 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA09461 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:14:53 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f7.pav3.hotmail.com [64.4.39.7]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA25590; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:34:19 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:32:16 -0800 Received: from 67.227.162.2 by pv3fd.pav3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 03:32:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.227.162.2] From: "TRICIA & DOUG GEORGE" To: FootbagHallofFame@footbag.org Cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Seconds for HOF nominations Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:32:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2002 03:32:16.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6E14930:01C1CB08] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I would like to second the nominations of the following people for this year's Hall of Fame. All are very worthy candidates, and I am confident that they will soon be members as well. It is difficult to narrow it down,and though it is not very narrow, I did my best. I *would* second a nomination for Steve Goldberg but due to his current humility status, I will wait until later. Brent Welch Jody Welch Ida Fogel Chris Routh Jon Lind Alan Peterson Scott Milne Peter Shunny Lisa McDaniel Julie Symons Cheers, Tricia George From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 15 11:16:57 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA09614 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:16:57 -0800 Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA27404 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:21:34 -0800 From: Ted Huff Received: from Thehuff1@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id k.173.5070d30 (4258); Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:21:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <173.5070d30.29c17f3d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:21:17 EST Subject: [footbag] Re: 2nds requested for Eric Wulff To: sjani@itsa.ucsf.edu CC: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sunil !! Please don't think that anyone that is a current member of the Footbag Hall of Fame, with a few exceptions to those that have not kept up involvement for past 15 years or so, discounts anything that Rippin' Rick Reese or Peter "The Executioner" Irish have done to deserve to be honored !! Even those that don't keep in the sport are updated by me and other friends every year, including testimonials, such as yours, for whoever is on the final ballot. That being said, last year's vote ( final ballot ) did not favor either Rick or Peter, and the only reason would be , is that some members felt it was more timely for someone else, possibly due to following a past to present thought process when they voted. Obviously, this could be one of the reasons that Dennis Ross was inducted last year, and not before, as one example. Not because of any other reason. Certainly, it is not because of past players not recognizing freestyle players, and their huge impact upon the game and sport worldwide. Especially Big Add Posse founders such as Peter or Rick. I am sure they will be honored , as I personally feel is without question. But, I get 1 vote only. Your letter is important, as is your encouragement to others now. Thank you. I will file & send out with all the other information that I gather. Without nomination support, it's impossible to get a real leader in the sport honored properly, if in fact this is the honor I hope it is to all players. That's my goal: see the true leaders, past to present, honored by their peers, and make that 1 more goal for a player, or tournament director, or teacher, or promoter's career in the game and sport of Footbag as it grows worldwide. Thank you for your interest and participation in that process. Pass It On ! Best regards, Ted Huff , co-director Footbag Hall of Fame Historical Society From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Mar 17 06:00:06 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA22277 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:00:06 -0800 Received: from foundationcomputing.net (donorport.org [207.160.174.56]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA31704 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:39:22 -0800 Received: from [4.3.96.201] ([4.3.96.201] verified) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3.2) with ESMTP id 892418 for footbag@footbag.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:34:45 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:51:51 -0600 Subject: [footbag] HOF Seconds From: Ida Bettis Fogle To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I have previously sent these names only to Ted. But now I've decided Ted is right that we should also cc the list. The reason I held off is exemplified by Sunil's post. I was worried about hurting feelings. See how motherhood will soften you up? However, I think most of us realize that a second for one person isn't a sign of disrespect to someone else. Obviously we're all going to give our testimonials for the people whose efforts are most familiar to us. That's the point of opening up the process to get input from as many players as possible. No one person is going to be familiar with all the footbag promoters and innovators in the history of the sport. I told myself I would second five and only five nominations. It was *very* difficult to narrow it down, because so many people have done so much. So here's my list of seconds for this year: Jeff Haas - a driving force behind establishing a foundation for footbag activities in the midwest. He went on to do national and international tours, promoting footbag around the world. Peter Shunny - an excellent player who has put in years and years of consistent effort for promotion of footbag. Brenda Solonoski - how can I even begin? Brent Welch and Jody Welch - Yeah, well, there's all those world titles. But also I think they deserve quite a bit of honor for spending years doing one of the most stressful jobs in footbag - running worlds freestyle. peace, love and hippy stuff, Ida Fogle -- "...youth full of grace, force, fascination, Do your know that Old Age may come after you with equal grace, force, fascination?" - Walt Whitman From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Mar 17 05:59:11 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA22233 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 05:59:11 -0800 Received: from cluster1.sfsu.edu (cluster1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.213]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA12755 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:16:20 -0800 Received: from apollo.sfsu.edu (daemon@apollo.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.167]) by cluster1.sfsu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g2FKGK912818 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:16:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (tuhuge@localhost) by apollo.sfsu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g2FKGJS13165 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:16:19 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: apollo.sfsu.edu: tuhuge owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:16:19 -0800 (PST) From: TU VAN VU To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] 2nds requested for Eric Wulff Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I would like to formally second the nomination of Eric Wulff. He's great. He's done it all. He should be in American history books as one of the greatest of all time. Tu From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Mar 17 06:01:25 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA22347 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:01:25 -0800 Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h000.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.206]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA04117 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:11:42 -0800 Received: (cpmta 12239 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 22:11:33 -0800 Received: from 64.194.176.97 (HELO ghostpirate) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.206) with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 22:11:33 -0800 X-Sent: 16 Mar 2002 06:11:33 GMT Message-ID: <001101c1ccb1$5c3772e0$61b0c240@ghostpirate> Reply-To: "Chris Pinkus" From: "Chris Pinkus" To: References: Subject: Re: [footbag] 2nds requested for Eric Wulff Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:11:06 -0800 Organization: OOPS! Freestyle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I second the nomination for Eric Wulff into the Footbag Hall of Fame! (hopefully my opinion will matter) Chris Pinkus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunil S. Jani" > I nominate Eric Wulff for the footbag hall of fame. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Mar 17 06:03:00 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA22375 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:03:00 -0800 Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id HAA16369 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 07:55:29 -0800 Message-ID: <20020316155525.62147.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.130.211.239] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 07:55:25 PST Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 07:55:25 -0800 (PST) From: "R. Vincent Bradley" Reply-To: procrastan8r@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] 2nds requested for Eric Wulff To: "Sunil S. Jani" , Ted Huff Cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org >From a team freestylers stand point, the legend of the >Ocean County Clippers as a team deserves Hall of Fame >recognition. All top players in team freestyle owe something to the clippers either indirectly through their influence in the early stages of team ideologies, or directly through using various ideas the clippers may have created. >From an atheletic standpoint, possibly independent of >footbag, Eric Wulff has repeatedly proven he is one of >the best. >Eric was the American Overall Footbag Champion in >1995, might also have earned this title in his >previous attempts be the world overall champion. >1995 Overall Champion Allen Petersen himself said to >Eric that same year that he ranks Eric as a much >better net player than Allen ranks himself as a >freestyler. As a freestyler, he holds at least 3 championship titles in the last 6 years: 98 singles, 98 mixed, 96 doubles. I think he has been in the top 8 since 1995. He and Peter Irish used to trade singles titles at east coast events. Next to Peter, he may have the highest number of dropless routines from a kicker from the east coast. Though both contributed massively to those numbers while living in California. Must be the air or something. As a net player, Eric is one of the great heroes on the east-coast. A consistent thorn in the tyranny of Montreal. As Yves noted with his trivia question there has only been one non-canadian champion at any montreal tournament. That person was Eric Wulff, winning a doubles net tournament with Sebastien Verdy as his partner in one of the winter events. He is an all around great net player- hopefully we will see this in the upcoming season since i hear he is practicing. He is a high flying talented versatile spiker and from my personal estimations the best defensive doubles partner in the history of the east coast games. Great digs to amazingly perfect sets, consistently. On a promotional level, he ran the east coast championships for at least 4 years. He has guided my direction as an involved participant in the sport probably more than any other player. He directed what has been widely regarded as the greatest World Freestyle Finals ever- and beyond even my wildest hopes ( even tho I did have a hand in it ), it finished on-time. I have to repeat that- it finished on time. World Championships footbag freestyle, on time. That alone earns a huge spot in any Hall of Fame. Much of what made this happen were Eric's inventions- his own ideas, and his steadfast dedication to pursue them, in some cases even against the advice of the seasoned veterans ( ... la la la ...hmm mm... ) on staff. On top of all this, I think it actually may have paid for itself, but even if it did not, unlike every other Worlds freestyle event, Eric's EARNED MONEY. This also makes my grade as on its own worthy of entering the Hall of Fame. And the list goes on- Eric was featured with Peter Irish and Tuan Vu and some other east coast kickers in the 1994 Mtv Hardcore spot which was extremly influential non-tournament kickers for a period of up to 4 years. He was also featured in an extreme sports video with Tuan Vu that was aired in Japan on digital television networks run by Turner Network Television. In 1995, a failed tv endeavor titled Americas Best filmed a feature on Eric Wulff as one of Americas Best Athletes for his 1995 Overall American achievement. And even beyond all these classifcations of notroiety, Eric is one more. He is an innovator. Freestyle loses a great inventor and one of the rarest unique styles its ever had with Eric's retirement. Competition has lost one of its most thorough and challenging choreographers. I hope it is temporary. Eric seemed oblivious to the notion of simplicity. Where most people would be trying to come up with new ways of linking tricks easily, Eric went about it from the entire other side of the spectrum, taking moves that were difficult to link to anything and then linking them with other difficult moves that even had disparate linking qualities- spinny air stuff to tight technically oppressive dexterity moves. In terms of developing the sport itself, I've never met a more focussed individual when it comes to really thinking about what is right and wrong with the rules advocating by the advisory committee. And his recent publications concerning how to fix the outdated freestyle difficulty ranking system is thorough, insightful, and most certainly worthy of implementation in this upcoming World Championships. I'm looking forward to what he has thought up for the judging system and Event direction this year. To sum up, Eric will be in the Hall of Fame. If not now then later. The same is equally obvious with the great athletes Peter Irish and Rick Reese. And I definitely second the nominations for these great athletes as well- I'm sure Eric can write as much for each of them as I have written here for Eric. The only question in my mind is can Eric get his own category? 'Overall' seems flimsy. have a great day. kick something. vince From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 22 14:26:44 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA16826 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:26:44 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f17.pav3.hotmail.com [64.4.39.17]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17711 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:26:38 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:24:32 -0800 Received: from 63.16.198.214 by pv3fd.pav3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:24:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.16.198.214] From: "TRICIA & DOUG GEORGE" To: sjani@itsa.ucsf.edu Cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] HOF nominations Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:24:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2002 04:24:32.0400 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD798900:01C1CE34] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sunil and all, I couldn't agree with you more that Peter Irish anf Rippin should make it in to the hall of fame. I think that the process that is laid out works if you follow the way it is laid out. The idea is to get multiple nominations. Last year when I (and others) campaigned to get Jeff Johnson into the HOF I called everybody that I knew and asked them to second my nomination. He got a multitude of nominations which put him in to a position to be voted in. You might try doing the same for rippin and peter....AND Eric....all who are well deserving. You gotta move and shake for them.... Tricia From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 22 14:30:07 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA17085 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:30:07 -0800 Received: from omta02.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA06281 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:52:12 -0800 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9D51C45DE for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id C6F132756; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:52:03 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:52:03 -0800 (PST) From: emmanuel bouchard To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Footbag HOF nomination for Martin Coté Reply-To: manu@yeahsports.com X-Originating-Ip: [216.239.67.194] Message-Id: <20020318185203.C6F132756@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by llic.net id KAA06281 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I`ve been reading all those nominations to Hall of Fame and I feel they all belong in there (okay,i`m not quite sure about that dancing freak) but Martin (the snake) Coté has been for Montréal, and for all the new players, a source of wisdom, patience and performance. He mastered two World`s in Montréal both as director and player. He as done the best logos and graphics for the sport ever, he is THE best defensive teacher. And I almost forgot, he as been in two world`s finals and won countless tournements both in double and single net. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 22 14:35:40 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA17515 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:35:40 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA06966 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:05:56 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GT601O01NG6A8@clem.mscd.edu> for footbag@footbag.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:00:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GT601N6LNG3Y0@clem.mscd.edu> for footbag@footbag.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:00:03 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:41:39 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [footbag] 2nds requested for Eric Wulff To: footbag@footbag.org Message-id: <3C91954E@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and so on a nomination for Eric Wulff. Vince lists all the best reasons below. Brad Kaplan >===== Original Message From procrastan8r@footbag.org ===== *moderator's edit: original message text can be found at: http://list.footbag.org/majordomo/letter/footbag?id=%3C20020316155525.62147.qmail%40web11503.mail.yahoo.com%3E From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 22 14:36:15 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA17558 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:36:15 -0800 Received: from priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net (fepout3.telus.net [199.185.220.238]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA15611; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:13:05 -0800 Received: from jimmy.d ([207.194.19.102]) by priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with SMTP id <20020318221254.PCRX1332.priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net@jimmy.d>; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:12:54 -0700 Message-ID: <006501c1cec9$e2c08260$6613c2cf@d> From: "Jim Derricott" To: Cc: Subject: [footbag] Hall of Fame Seconds Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:10:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org This is Jim Derricott, up until recentley, the president of the Kitsilano Footbag Association. I would like to second the nominations for Ian Kobayashi and Scott Milne's inclusion into the Footbag Hall of Fame. I could ramble on at length about what they have done for footbag in Vancouver B.C. over the last 16 years but it would take to long. As a player,I owe them both more than I could ever hope to repay. They have never asked me for anything but to encourage newbies as they did for me. Without them, there would be no KFA and there wouldn't be footbag, as we know it, in Vancouver. I think every Montrealer who spent a season here should also second these nominations, because without them, you would have had nowhere to skool when it was cold. Kicking our butts your second time in town isn't payment enough. These guys deserve our props. Jim Derricott From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 22 14:37:15 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA17729 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:37:15 -0800 Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (mail8.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.58]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA19134 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:46:31 -0800 Received: (qmail 24049 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 23:27:19 -0000 Received: from 66-81-136-72-modem.o1.com (HELO lauttq3avgu9mz) (66.81.136.72) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 23:27:19 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Gary Lautt" To: Subject: [footbag] Hall of Fame nominations Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:27:18 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org When I look at the people nominated for the hall of fame this year it brings back many great memories. I'll probably vote for all of them. But there are a few that stick out in my mind as very deserving of induction. Brent & Jodi Welch, Peter Irish, Rick Reese, Gator, Alan Petersen, chris Ott, Ida Fogle, Peter Shunny, Scott Miline, Etienne Constable, Julie Simmons, Lisa McDaniels, Randy Nelson, Steve Blough, Ed LaMacchia & Steve Goldberg (Yes Steve, you deserve it more than anyone.) I hope that my fello Hall of Fame members will join me in voting for these candidates,if not for all of them. I dare say that the Hall of Fame is much to small given the number of deserving kickers. Everyone of these people has given much to the game,for nothing more than the love of the game . This game still inspires me. If I could only do some dexterity moves my life would be complete. Gary Lautt From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 22 14:38:16 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA17773 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:38:16 -0800 Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (mail8.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.58]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id UAA25638 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:22:14 -0800 Received: (qmail 14299 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 23:47:26 -0000 Received: from 66-81-136-72-modem.o1.com (HELO lauttq3avgu9mz) (66.81.136.72) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 23:47:26 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Gary Lautt" To: Subject: [footbag] I forgot someone Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:47:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I forgot to add Jon Lind to my list of deserving kickers for induction to the Hall of Fame. After all the great times I've had with Jon at tournaments & the country fair how could I forget him. Thanks Gary Lautt From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 22 14:39:07 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA17846 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:39:07 -0800 Received: from www5.networkshosting.com (www5.networkshosting.com [66.96.128.104]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA23321 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:45:17 -0800 Received: (qmail 20211 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2002 17:47:22 -0000 Received: from bolsan.dp.net (HELO LynnK) (204.171.79.29) by -H with SMTP; 20 Mar 2002 17:47:22 -0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:44:34 -0500 Message-ID: <01C1D00C.FD217DA0.bhamilton@bolsan.com> From: Bill Hamilton Reply-To: "bhamilton@bolsan.com" To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: [footbag] Growing the sport Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:44:32 -0500 Organization: Bolsan Company Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I am a kicker who enjoys freestyle and am working on (and doing) many 2 add moves and am getting close to venturing into 3 adds. I have been to 2 organized events, both of which were the PST OFF at State College, PA. The first was a forum without any competition and the second had competition at the intermediate and open level. At both of these events and with my own personal experience in kicking with friends I have found the high level of skill required for freestyle is phenomenal and often intimidating. After hours upon hours of practice (and some was very disciplined practice) I still find myself asking how will I get to 4 or 5 add freestyle moves? When I see the level of competition in freestyle and notice no novice events, I am further discouraged in my attempts to grow into the sport and to compete. As a result of these experiences, I would like to present the following ideas for promoting the sport for people as myself who are at the lower end of the skill level. I would assume that most kickers are at a similar level to mine and thus we are the majority of the people who need to be encouraged and drawn deeper into the sport. At competitions, what can be done to encourage novice competition? Create a compulsory routine for a basic freestyle routine? This could be done at several levels such as.. Basic kicks and stalls Spinning moves 2 adds moves Due to the difficulty of stringing moves together, this might be a move by move scoring system. It might be a totally different approach than the typical freestyle competitions. It might be wise to have alternative contests such as consecutive kicks (individual and team types) and 4 square at events also to give more people a chance to be formally involved in events. I know adding this stuff to events would be pretty boring for the organizers and probably for spectators, but I think it might provide initial events that would appeal to the lower level kickers. The sport as it stands right now seems heavily influenced by the top end of the sport and we need more activity at the basic level to reach the masses. I have more ideas, but for now I will offer this to see what initial responses arise. Bill Hamilton From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 22 14:39:55 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA17895 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:39:55 -0800 Received: from cluster1.sfsu.edu (cluster1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.213]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA10216; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:19:15 -0800 Received: from apollo.sfsu.edu (daemon@apollo.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.167]) by cluster1.sfsu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g2L0JDP18049; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (tuhuge@localhost) by apollo.sfsu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g2L0JDS15623; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:19:13 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: apollo.sfsu.edu: tuhuge owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:19:13 -0800 (PST) From: TU VAN VU To: freestyle@footbag.org cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] International Players and Worlds 2002 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hi All, We are about to engage for some promotional activity for the World Championships material this year but we really need to know who's coming. If you do not live in the United States and you are considering coming to the World Footbag Championships in beautiful, romantic, and exotic San Francisco this August 5-11, could you please drop me a little e-mail to tell me you are coming. my e-mail: tuhuge@hotmail.com We want to make to sure you international players are represented!!! Also, there is a need for high quailty photos from all footbag players coming to Worlds this year, not just international players. If you have some kick ass photos of yourself that are high quailty, could you drop me an e-mail (drop me an e-mail first before sending any photos!) If you guys enjoyed worlds last year, than you have seen nothing yet. thanks so much! Tu tiny man on Worlds 2002 Staff PS See you all at the UCSF footbag JAM From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 22 14:40:42 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA17946 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:40:42 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f297.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.172]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA08453 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:30:47 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:19:45 -0800 Received: from 198.236.10.48 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:19:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.236.10.48] From: "Tricia George" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] US OPEN Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 20:19:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2002 20:19:45.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8997300:01C1D1DE] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org We are getting ready to announce the dates of the US Open this year. We will be holding it in Eugene tentatively on June 29th and 30th. We will be holding Net and Golf and possibly Freestyle. I am writing this in hopes to find some willing individual(s) to run a freestyle event. You build the format...shred, formal competition, whatever, and we will have a site. We will put you up in fashionable footbag style, and we will hail your efforts. Please let me know as soon as possible if you are interested. I know that this is somewhat of an impersonal way to do this, but, currently, I seriously lack the time to solicit individuals. Thank you in advance for your support. Tricia George From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 23 12:09:23 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA27386 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:09:23 -0800 Received: from mail7.wlv.netzero.net (mail7.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.57]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id SAA29330 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:00:13 -0800 Received: (qmail 22966 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2002 02:00:02 -0000 Received: from 66-81-140-183-modem.o1.com (HELO lauttq3avgu9mz) (66.81.140.183) by mail7.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 23 Mar 2002 02:00:02 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Gary Lautt" To: Subject: [footbag] More people I forgot Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:00:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I guess I forgot all the people that were automatically on the ballot because of last years vote. Eric Cole, Sam Conlon, Derrick Fogle, Max Smith Jr., Tim Vozar, Sabra Jean Hall. I think all of these candidates are definitely deserving of our votes. All of these people have met all the criteria for induction to the hall. And how about Eric Wolf. Who could argue with his accomplishments or his devotion and love of the game. There are many deserving candidates this year for the Hall. I hope that the current members see how these people deverse Hall of Fame recognition. I would be honored to have all the the candidates I have memtioned in my 3 postings (4th will probably be tomorrow when I remember soneone else) as fellow members of the Hall. I think we should change how people are inducted to the hall. Instead of the current members voting on who is inducted I think it would be better if each member of the Inernational Footbag Players Assiocation got a vote. This could be done on-line for the candidates each year. This would mean that the players themselves would be determining who gets elected. Thanks Gary Lautt From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 23 12:10:46 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA27475 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:10:46 -0800 Received: from mailcity.com (fes3.whowhere.com [209.185.123.188]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id SAA29941 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:11:41 -0800 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Fri Mar 22 18:11:29 2002 To: "bhamilton@bolsan.com" Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:11:29 -0800 From: "Hung Chang" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: footbag@footbag.org X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: hungchang@lycos.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [footbag] Growing the sport X-Sender-Ip: 65.184.6.109 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Bill, first, freestyle. The intermediate freestyle players seem to be getting better every year. And that's a good sign that freestyle is growing and progressing. If there is enough competitors, I can see creating a novice category, but for now I don't really see the need to create a novice category, nothing wrong with starting in intermediate, I remember watching a guy (competing in the intermediate freestyle) kicking 'old skool' style at Westerns, doing his own kicking thing, no stalling, old skool tricks, didn't seem to care about the judging. Very cool. I think most guys are more intimidated from kicking in front of a crowd. (btw,how many intermediate freestylers was at that last contest?) As far as other events like consecutives and four squares. They are drills and games, not suitable for a competitive format. Worlds have events like these, (ddop, consecutives), which have declining participants every year. These events are one dimensional and boring to do and watch. They might have been popular back in the days when the overall skills are low, but I predict these events would be drop from worlds eventually. (Most tournaments don't run these events) I remember back when I was novice, the best part was getting a chance to see the pros in action, and playing pickup games. I doubt I would have been interested in consecutives or four square competition. If you have other ideas for growing the sport, let's hear it. Personally, I think footbag have the most potencial for growth in a school environment. I learned the footbirdie (aka the Chinese hacky sack), tennis, badminton, table tennis, raquetball, volleyball all at school. Hacky sack used to be all the rage in the 80's, but it doesn't seem to be all that popular anymore. Middle school kids don't seem to be hacking much every time I ask them. hc From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 25 08:42:43 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA09980 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:42:43 -0800 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA25939 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 04:39:02 -0800 Received: from [192.168.2.32] ([12.250.116.15]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020324123902.HNTB1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@[192.168.2.32]>; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 12:39:02 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 06:43:13 -0600 Subject: Re: [footbag] Growing the sport From: Scott Davidson To: Hung Chang CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hi Hung! On 3/22/02 8:11 PM, "Hung Chang" wrote: > first, freestyle. The intermediate freestyle players seem to be getting better > every year. This a grand observation, and I can happily confirm this to be the case. The same with the pro's, BTW. > As far as other events like consecutives and four squares. They are drills > and games, not suitable for a competitive format. Have you tried four square? It is fun, and more social than golf has become. I mean, back in the 80's golf had great potential as a social event, I think one year (maybe '89?) just about everyone who entered worlds was entered at golf... Everyone was "there", even if they weren't entered... Just to hang out and watch. I can see four square has great potential to replace golf as the "social event". And you don't have to whisper so the serious players don't get distracted (there really aren't any "serious" players, although I have seen some talented ones). Even the rules promote "socialism" :-) The rules need to be standardized, this event is here to stay. It is really a lot of fun, you don't need an entire park and 18 expensive "holes" to run it, you can do it in a pretty small area, near "the music" and I, for one, don't feel a little bit silly playing it, it is good for newbies and experienced players alike, it is a great way for pro's to interact on a personal level with new players, you meet tons of people, and after a long raging day of shredding your legs off, it is still possible to play without injuring yourself for the next day (remember hyperextended knees from golf? I do.) But I am not writing to defend Four Square. > If you have other ideas for growing the sport, let's hear it. I am currently developing a single day tournament format geared towards novice and intermediate players. It is easy for clubs to run them, they can run in conjunction with Pro events, and there are many other advantages. If you are interested in helping by reviewing, proofreading and helping to develop such an event (or helping to develop any event concept), please contact me on the side and I'll bring you up to date. I welcome any input. > Hacky sack used to be all the rage in the 80's, but it doesn't seem to be all > that popular anymore. Middle school kids don't seem to be hacking much every > time I ask them. I don't know about "all the rage," but the '80s were a rollercoaster to be certain. Maybe where you are there aren't so many young players, but here in Illinois and pretty much across the midwest there are huge numbers of young people who kick casually. I am cautiously optimistic about the future of the sport, especially freestyle. I would encourage any suggestions on how we can make footbag net as popular with new players as freestyle is. Keep it up. It's good to be back. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 25 08:43:39 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA10000 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:43:39 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.155]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA21305 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:35:10 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:23:45 -0800 Received: from 64.228.185.144 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 02:23:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.228.185.144] From: "Yves Archambault" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Footbag HOF nomination for Martin Coté Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 02:23:44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2002 02:23:45.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[1696E690:01C1D3A4] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hi, I totally second this nomination 'cause without Martin's dedication I doubt I would have done anything of these things that lead me to the Hall of Fame. And I'm not sure either about that dancing freak. Take care you all Yevez Nuts'n'Bolts From: emmanuel bouchard Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:52:03 -0800 (PST) I`ve been reading all those nominations to Hall of Fame and I feel they all belong in there (okay,i`m not quite sure about that dancing freak) but Martin (the snake) Coté has been for Montréal, and for all the new players, a source of wisdom, patience and performance. He mastered two World`s in Montréal both as director and player. He as done the best logos and graphics for the sport ever, he is THE best defensive teacher. And I almost forgot, he as been in two world`s finals and won countless tournements both in double and single net. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 25 15:07:03 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA28763 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:07:03 -0800 Received: from mail17.speakeasy.net (mail17.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.217]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA16325 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:06:33 -0800 Received: (qmail 23240 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2002 19:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dell) ([216.27.176.244]) (envelope-sender ) by mail17.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Mar 2002 19:06:28 -0000 From: "Eric Wulff" To: Subject: RE: [footbag] Footbag HOF nomination for Martin Coté & Brenda Solonoski Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:03:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Martin Cote... I totally second the nomination of Martin Cote. He is one of the leaders of the footbag force from Montreal, perhaps the strongest footbag city in all the world. He has been an inspiration to the entire North American East Coast footbag community and the world. He is a great player and has shared his talent and knowledge with many. He has donated his artistic talents to the footbag community. He is a quiet man that leads by example and has done so much for the sport of footbag. There are so many people involved and contributing to making footbag a great sport that I'm afraid we can never thank all of them enough. I'm somewhat afraid to nominate, thank and praise sometimes for fear of who I might leave out in doing so. But, when I think of great things in footbag I often think of the Montreal footbag community... and when I think of the Montreal footbag force I think of Yves Archambault and Martin Cote. Again, there are so many others also. I think Martin should be recognized now because he is one of the people that helped *start* it all. Martin Cote... Hall of Fame... no-brainer. Don't waste your vote... vote for Martim Cote :-) :-) Brenda Solonoski and Joe Solonoski... I also second the nomination for Brenda Solonoski, and nominate Joe(if he is not yet in :-)). Brenda and Joe have Been running one of the best footbag tournaments the sport has ever known for 15 years or more. The Funtastik Summer Classic. Again, East Coast footbag would not be what it is today if not for their efforts. I could write far more than you care to read. Let me sum it up... Brenda and Joe Solonoski are hall of fame footbag people if ever there were such people. Perhaps their names are not as recognized by us as those of the Kenny Shults's, Peter Irish's or Steve Goldberg's of the footbag world. But, they are people such as this. They have influenced the sport, inspired the players and contributed generously with time, effort, money, passion, and vision. Brenda and Joe should be recognized and this is our chance to recognize them. If you don't want to take my word for it... see how they feel about footbag and what they've done for the sport... http://www.funtastikonline.com/home/sale.asp?title=Footbag&category=FTB thx Eric Wulff From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 27 15:04:40 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA08462 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:04:40 -0800 Received: from umm.calvin.edu (umm.calvin.edu [153.106.4.15]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA13296 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:09:21 -0800 From: Jonathan Shaw Received: (from www@localhost) by umm.calvin.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21893 for footbag@footbag.org; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:09:12 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Video Question Message-ID: <1017119352.3ca002787050d@webmail.calvin.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:09:12 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.5 X-Originating-IP: 153.106.39.39 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hello Everyone, My name is Jonathan Shaw, I am going to college in Grand Rapids, MI but call Newport News, VA my home. I just signed up for this list. Enough personal stuff, I am writing this because I am interested in video and kicking and want to fuse this interests some how. I have watched many of the the World's videos in the video gallery and was just blown away by those guys' ability at freestyle, they set quite an intimidating goal to achieve. Anyway, while I really appreciate the gallery and am really really pleased someone took the time to video the competions and put them on this site, I noticed that there was only one camera and sometimes it got hard to see the bag, and there was no slow motion or titles or anything. I work in video production and have access, through work, to some pretty incredible equipment and was wondering what kind of video work is done on this, if there is any interest in some tapes or DVDs of competitions or events, or some kind of instructional video or anything. Basically, I am just curious as to what kind of interest there is in video of this, if anyone is doing it, if anyone was in the area and wanted a video made of their kicking or something. Just wondering, great to be a part of this group, Jon From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 27 15:07:09 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA08591 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:07:09 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f73.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.73]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA19907 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 03:20:20 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 03:20:20 -0800 Received: from 203.97.2.242 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:20:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.97.2.242] From: "Michael Berry" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Why? Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:20:19 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2002 11:20:20.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[36C13FF0:01C1D4B8] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Why? Why do we play footbag? Is there any reason to play? These are the questions ive been asking myself. What is the point in training and training, day after day, all for what? There are no Teams to Join, you cannot get picked to play for your country. There needs to be more interest in this sport! What are we doing about it? We need to do something about it? Michael Berry Play hard, Shred harder From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 27 15:21:47 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA09745 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:21:47 -0800 Received: from foundationcomputing.net (donorport.org [207.160.174.56]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA08805 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:10:59 -0800 Received: from derrick.mlerf.org ([207.160.174.20] verified) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3.2) with ESMTP id 935899 for footbag@footbag.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:05:50 -0600 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:13:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [footbag] Growing the sport Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Derrick Fogle To: footbag@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <30A0EA31-41D8-11D6-95F8-003065BA9A0E@fogles.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org On Sunday, March 24, 2002, at 06:43 AM, Scott Davidson wrote: > I don't know about "all the rage," but the '80s were a rollercoaster to be > certain. Maybe where you are there aren't so many young players, but here > in Illinois and pretty much across the midwest there are huge numbers of > young people who kick casually. I am cautiously optimistic about the > future How about just plain old hacking? I'm disturbed at the extremely 'competition-centric' promotional efforts for footbag. Ever since the Wham-O sponsored Hacky Sack and Frisbee Festivals collapsed, tournaments have been the only organized form of footbag promotion. Yet, 15 years later, casual hackers still outnumber competitors 10-1. I've never seen a single competitive event draw as many people as a single festival. I've come to the conclusion that competition is a very poor vehicle for the promotion of footbag. Competition is certainly not what got me started with footbag, and it certainly isn't why I still kick 20+ years later. I was sure wrapped up in competitions for awhile, but today I actually regret the time and money I spent trying to promote footbag through competitions. How many here were exposed to footbag for the first time through a competition, and how many would stop kicking if it weren't for competitions? I'm not saying there should be *no* competition - there should. But it should be treated as what it really is in footbag - the tip of the iceberg, or the icing on the cake. The meat and the foundation of footbag are the casual kickers and the still-existing counterculture roots of footbag. Competitions should be there for the 10% of casual kickers who trickle up to that level. Focusing on 10% of the footbag population will not trickle down and proportionally grow the 90% base. Footbag is a unique sport because it really *can* be played non-competitively. It still thrives as a non-competitive activity despite the fact that there's been almost zero effort put into that aspect of footbag. Why not embrace that aspect of the sport? Maybe it's time we put some effort back into the non-competitive aspect of footbag and see what kind of return we get. -Derrick From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 28 13:06:45 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA30614 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:06:45 -0800 Received: from sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (sccmmhc02.mchsi.com [204.127.203.184]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA13098 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:29:34 -0800 Received: from mmueller ([12.217.240.36]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020328002929.CEXO24267.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@mmueller>; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:29:29 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c1d5f0$d607fe80$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> From: "Matt" To: "Michael Berry" , References: Subject: Re: [footbag] Why? Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:38:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org > Why? > Why do we play footbag? > Is there any reason to play? > > These are the questions ive been asking myself. > > What is the point in training and training, day after day, all for what? > > There are no Teams to Join, you cannot get picked to play for your country. > > There needs to be more interest in this sport! > What are we doing about it? > We need to do something about it? > > Michael Berry > Play hard, Shred harder I'm glad someone brought this up. I often think about this as well. I know pretty much everyone will reply and say "because its fun" or something like that - we know it is, there just has to be some bigger picture though. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 28 13:07:54 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA30694 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:07:54 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f245.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.245]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA31282 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:52:39 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:52:39 -0800 Received: from 64.228.185.174 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:52:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.228.185.174] From: "Yves Archambault" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Growing the sport Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:52:38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2002 07:52:39.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[884DD880:01C1D62D] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Non competitive footbag can take good care of itself without any of the efforts you are talking about and it does. On the other hand there are some people who know why they promote the sport of footbag (Net in my case) as I certainly wouldn't kick anymore if it wasn't for that challenge that I encountered years ago. Anyhow I still do promote kicking in a circle with good basics in schools but I also show a tape of the best players at Net and Freestyle to as many kids as possible. Options, that's what people need, options let them decide by themselves by showing them the options Derrick. They might go into skateboarding or just sit on their couch but we'll give them at least 3 options here not just one. Take care Yevez >From: Derrick Fogle >Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:13:03 -0600 > >How about just plain old hacking? From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 28 13:10:01 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA30813 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:10:01 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f98.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.98]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA08839 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 04:57:53 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 04:57:53 -0800 Received: from 208.50.110.254 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:57:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.50.110.254] From: "Mark Telman" To: derrick@fogles.net, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Growing the sport Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:57:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2002 12:57:53.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C959070:01C1D658] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hey there My name is Mark Telman and I have been a casual kicker for about 20+ years. I love this sport of footbag and would like to help. I am not all that great, but sew footbags as a backfill. I think that derrick has a good point, we did draw alot of people when we put on a 'Jam session' instead of a 'competition' type gatherings. I also agree that the competition is what draws us to excell but we need to Grow for us to get to the next level. I also think that some of the young people out there won't ever get to the comp level with out some kind of 'place to hack' (teehee) I think a good 'shred jam' could be fun and maybe we can use some of those 'sponcer tricks' to fund Jam Sessions' also. Hash bash in ann arbor is one of those places that we great exposer and maybe planning a jam seesion around that time of the year could be fun. Anyway enough of my spouting. Mark Shred Shred Shred >From: Derrick Fogle >Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:13:03 -0600 > >How about just plain old hacking? From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 28 13:11:47 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA30912 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:11:47 -0800 Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA19485 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:24:15 -0800 From: Ted Huff Received: from Thehuff1@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id d.e5.15cbcb46 (4593); Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:23:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:23:57 EST Subject: Re: [footbag] Growing the sport To: derrick@fogles.net CC: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Derrick, you are right on when you say that the key to enjoyment of Footbag is learning to play with gravity and your friends, just for the fun of kicking. Part of that fun is learning to be a part of growing an energy circle of cooperating players. That fun can be grown into an actual club, that coordinates places to play indoors or out, and encourages others to join in that fun of casual play. It's natural for friendly competition to develop when anyone starts to devlop skills that may be beyond the next person in the group. Hopefully, learning skills is something that anyone can see is a good way to increase their enjoyment, and lead to sharing that knowledge with others. Hopefully, if all footbag players see that friendly fun can be shared, they think of reasons to grow with the sport as a good thing, even if they don't care to play to win world titles, but play and be a part of it for what it does to grow their basic enjoyment of life !! Joining the IFPA right now is a good thing to do. Forming a club and being part of organizing state or a country's organization as part of an international sport's movement is a good thing to do, if you are a footbag player and care to share that enjoyment with others. And, all footbag competition leads to is increased enjoyment, because it is a good learning experience. #1 it brings together people that are interested in the game and sport and builds up a lifetime of friendships around this crazy world. Now, that's a good thing ! I know you agree that the IFPA is a good thing to be a part of, so I join with you in encouraging the enjoyment of Footbag. I also encourage competition ......just for kicks. I encourage anyone that is interested in fun, to come to Worlds 2002 ! From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 29 17:28:00 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA25455 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:28:00 -0800 Received: from sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (sccmmhc02.mchsi.com [204.127.203.184]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA13364; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:35:32 -0800 Received: from mmueller ([12.217.240.36]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020328003532.CGAI24267.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@mmueller>; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:35:32 +0000 Message-ID: <003501c1d5f1$ae09d880$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> From: "Matt Mueller" To: , Subject: [footbag] Footbag-related online forum available Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:44:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I recommend all of you join this board. Its the only (or biggest) board that I know of. Its simple to get on and very organized. http://forums.asp-dev.co.uk/footbag/default.asp [ Moderator's warning: this site will spam your browser with popwindows! ] From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 29 17:31:17 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA25562 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:31:17 -0800 Received: from mailcity.com (fes3.whowhere.com [209.185.123.188]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id CAA29305 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:15:06 -0800 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Fri Mar 29 02:14:54 2002 To: "Jonathan Shaw" Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 02:14:54 -0800 From: "Hung Chang" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: footbag@footbag.org Content-Language: en Reply-To: hungchang@lycos.com X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: [footbag] Video Question X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 65.184.6.109 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hi Jonathan, see flipsider.com (they are from SoCal); would definitely like to see more professional stuff. Our 'Tricks of the Trade' is like 15 years old. Need some good net footage too. Re four square - Scott, four square looks fun, seen it at Western, but it's a game, don't make it too competitive, you'll squeeze all the fun out of it. Re hacky sacking - Yves said what I was gonna say, we are here to promote more advanced form of kicking, every one knows what hacking is, our goal is exposing them to more advanced form of kicking. Re Martin Cote - I am not into the whole HOF thing, but regardless Martin is someone that all net players can look up too. He is supercool on the court, never seen the dude get down on himself or others. Yes, sportmanship beats out world championship titles in my book any day. later hung chang -- On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:09:12 Jonathan Shaw wrote: >Hello Everyone, > >My name is Jonathan Shaw, I am going to college in Grand Rapids, MI but call >Newport News, VA my home. I just signed up for this list. Enough personal stuff, From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 29 17:33:14 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA25642 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:33:14 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA13425 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:04:34 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GTR079013QFYC@clem.mscd.edu> for footbag@footbag.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:03:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GTR078OH3QFB6@clem.mscd.edu>; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:03:51 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:45:13 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [footbag] Why? To: footbag , Michael Berry Message-id: <3C97206D@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org >===== Original Message From Michael Berry ===== >Why? >Why do we play footbag? >Is there any reason to play? I can't speak for everyone, but as far as I'm concerned there're plenty of good reasons. It's FUN, challenging, unique, exhilarating, communal, entertaining, and altogether supercalafragilisticexpealidocious. Oh and I'm kinda good at it. Not to mention there are those of us who, even when not playing, eat, drink, sleep and shit footbag. It's something to get passionate about. >These are the questions ive been asking myself. As many of us have. >There are no Teams to Join, you cannot get picked to play for your country. Yet. >There needs to be more interest in this sport! >What are we doing about it? >We need to do something about it? I'm plenty interested and I think the number of players are growing at a phenomenal rate. Europe is totally exploding right now. I contend that we need more inside interest. The easiest thing to do is join the IFPA. Everyone needs to stop drinking soda for a week, save the $10 and sign up. The IFPA are a very serious group of people who are extremely loyal to the progression of footbag and they will take your $10 and turn it into a World Wide Footbag Phenomenon. >Play hard, Shred harder Support the IFPA even harder. Later, Brad From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 30 08:26:26 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA15526 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 08:26:26 -0800 Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA29070 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:50:14 -0800 Received: from [192.168.2.32] ([12.250.116.15]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020330025011.CHPD2928.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.2.32]> for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:50:11 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:56:37 -0600 Subject: [footbag] Footbag on PBS in Chicago... From: Scott Davidson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hi Everyone! Last summer, the footbag players in the Chicago area gathered one weekend afternoon to be filmed for a segment on "Wild Chicago," a very popular show that airs on our local PBS station, WTTW Channel 11. Thanks to all of our locals who attended and made it a great fun afternoon. They focus mostly on Net but will consider a Freestyle-centric segment at a later time. Anyway, the dates and times are: "Wild Chicago" WTTW Channel 11 in Chicago (sorry no streaming video yet, I asked) Wednesday, April 10th at 7:30 and 11:30 pm Saturday, April 13th at Midnight Sunday, April 14th at 10:30 pm If it were a 2 minute segment, I would be surprised... Probably only 60 seconds. It should shed a positive light on the sport side of footbag, I hope. They were very positive, but all the narrative was done in editing and I have not seen it yet and ya just never know. So Chicago area players, tell your friends and tune your VCR's to WTTW. Oh, they will be listing www.footbag.org "for more information," and my email and phone numbers for contact both on the show and online at: http://www.networkchicago.com/wildchicago/index.htm Thanks to everyone who makes footbag.org possible, as there is no better place to send people "for more information" about footbag. Every little bit counts. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 30 08:28:16 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA15618 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 08:28:16 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f246.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.246]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA04158 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:57:39 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:57:39 -0800 Received: from 66.119.33.167 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 06:57:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.119.33.167] From: "Simon Hughes" To: dafootbager@hotmail.com, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Why? Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:57:38 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2002 06:57:39.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E6BDE20:01C1D7B8] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hey List, I have been thinking the same since Hanz Freller left my city/country and there has been hardly anyone to shred with. But I still cant stop playing 'cause I like it so much. But it is kind of annoying having the skill but not getting what we all deserve out of it, a bit of recognition/attention, more players, maybe even in the long run I could become a professional and get paid for it and that become my job?.. (I know that you can win some money at comps, but the money would boost up if everyone knew about footbag, Like Basketball players get paid millions just to play.) I really want Footbag to get out of the whole Hackey Sack hippie shit-I really think it loses respect there, people laugh at it being a sport. Its also hard to teach people when I see alot of people dont stick with it, I dont really know why but then it feels like a waste of time. I think there should be a Beginners section on footbag.org to say some games and drills to start off with, to keep people interested and understand-just a suggestion that i think would be helpful. I would join the IFPA but i dont have a credit card, get me an address I could mail my $10 to and I will. Cyall, Simon Shreds.. (Lemur) >From: "Matt" >Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:38:09 -0600 > > > Why? > > Why do we play footbag? > > Is there any reason to play?