From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 1 17:54:30 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA22934 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:54:30 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA04350 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:54:47 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GTW03K01KI04G@clem.mscd.edu> for footbag@footbag.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GTW03J4GKI055@clem.mscd.edu> for footbag@footbag.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:54:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:35:18 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [footbag] IFPA Mailing address To: footbag Message-id: <3C9824B7@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org For those of you who have not been paying close attention. YOU DO NOT NEED A CREDIT CARD TO JOIN THE IFPA. If you clicked on any one of the links that have been sent out then you would see that there is an option to print out a mail-in form. I think it's pretty obvious that I'm getting irritated. Here's why. Lately there has been ALOT of discussion and woe about the future of this sport and tons of "who, what, when, where, and why". Yet too many people, for whatever reasons, seem to be ignoring what is right in front of them. The IFPA is ACTIVELY trying very hard to create a future for Footbag. They are making huge leaps in their organization and trying very hard to raise the funds necessary to provide quality sponsorship for the sport and make Footbag a recognized sport across the globe. I'm not sure if you need the actual mail-in form or not, but to make it even easier on everybody who still needs to sign up, here's the address. Send $10 U.S. check or money order and make payable to: International Footbag Player's Association Inc. 647 Fallon Ave. Santa Clara, Ca. 95050 USA Your sport is on the rise, join in. Later, Brad [ Moderator's note: we would appreciate it if you *did* use the http://www.footbag.org/ifpa/join site, making sure your footbag.org membership info is correct, etc, and print out the mail-in form to accompany the payment. Thanks ] From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 2 12:15:50 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA27910 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:15:50 -0800 Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA23441 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:08:13 -0800 Received: from 24-205-34-252.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.net ([24.205.34.252] helo=sam) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16sDiS-0002Lz-00; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:08:09 -0800 Message-ID: <006501c1d9eb$3837af80$c6b7fea9@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Matt" , "Michael Berry" , References: <002101c1d5f0$d607fe80$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: [footbag] Why? Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:08:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Why? Why do we play footbag? Is there any reason to play? -Micahel Berry I'm glad someone brought this up. I often think about this as well. I know pretty much everyone will reply and say "because its fun" or something like that - we know it is, there just has to be some bigger picture though. -Matt We, humans, being a natural function of our planet, will continue to evolve mentally and physically. As structures of the universe we exist of, our tolerance and natural range of comfort will increase. I.e. our mental and physical flexibility, our acceptance of differences in each other, our ability to multi-task, and our imagination. It is only natural that in the evolution of a sentient species, an activity will come to be that is non competitive, non violent, promotes active pursuit of new concepts and ideas, contributes to mental and physical health, and is enjoyable and rewarding. Freestyle is lifestyle. -Samurai From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 3 15:22:37 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA32583 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:22:37 -0800 Received: from web10602.mail.yahoo.com (web10602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.166]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id PAA04717 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:50:02 -0800 Message-ID: <20020402235002.53189.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.206.214] by web10602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:50:02 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:50:02 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Hardin Subject: Re: [footbag] Why? To: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <006501c1d9eb$3837af80$c6b7fea9@charterpipeline.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Why? For everything you do there is a reason for it. You have a goal for everything you do and that is WHY you do it. We all shred because we each have our own personal goal. Everyone is trying to get higher in consecutive, or hit the new trick. There is no set reason for why you shred, you don't have to do something just because you gonna win, you do stuff for you and your goals. Footbag is like running, I am a runner and I run the 800 meter and the 1600 meter in track to run faster than I ever have. What started you hackin, what kept you hackin, answer those questions and you have your reason for WHY you hack. Chris Hardin From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 3 15:21:32 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA32533 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:21:32 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f272.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.150]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA29392 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:22:46 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:22:42 -0800 Received: from 64.228.234.105 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 22:22:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.228.234.105] From: "Yves Archambault" To: footbag@footbag.org Cc: yevez@hotmail.com Subject: [footbag] The Windchill is coming up/ L'Hivernal à Montréal ce week-end Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 22:22:41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2002 22:22:42.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[126E93D0:01C1DB5E] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Salut tout le monde, Hi Everybody, The Windchill Net tournament is coming up this week-end (april 6-7) and there's still room for a lot of players. We have a super nice facility, 16 indoors courts with bleachers. The entry fee is $25 canadian dollars which is about 5 american. There's no prize money, no players package, the entry fee is to cover the fees of renting the place. This is the warm-up for the up and coming outdoor season. L'Hivernal de Montréal, qui en est déjà à sa 12 eme édition aura lieu la fin de semaine prochaine au Cegep du Vieux-Montréal. Il en coûte $25 pour participer et c'est gratuit pour les spectateurs. L'horaire est de 10h à 16h 30 les deux jours. Nous invitons particulièrement les spectateurs à se manifester le dimanche 7 avril à compter de 13h pour de l'action en demi-finale et finales de simple et de double au filet. Hope to see you there J'espère de vous voir en grand nombre Yves Archambault organisateur From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 4 16:40:44 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA23816 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:40:44 -0800 Received: from web10007.mail.yahoo.com (web10007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.43]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA06754 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:26:41 -0800 Message-ID: <20020404012637.36096.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.199.43] by web10007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:26:37 PST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:26:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Frost Subject: Re: [footbag] Why? To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Just thought I'd chime in with my views on the subject: In the past 15 or so years that I've been playing Footbag, the best times I've had was when I've jammed on street corners, parks, and concerts. One really stands out. I was on a school tour with a partner and we were in Rochester, MN at an outdoor concert. We were just kicking with some people minding our business having a great time. The next thing I knew one of the band members came up to us and asked us if we would come on stage and jam with him. My partner didn't want to but there was NO WAY I was going to pass this up. So I got up on stage, looked at the drummer, and started jamming. For that moment in time I was a celebrity, an ambassador, an athlete, a "first", and the coolest guy in the park. :-) I will never forget that for as long as I live. The tournaments are wonderful and Footbad has a great community. But, for me, nothing will replace going to a park, breaking out a bag, and having people jump in within five minutes. I'm sure that most of you who kick have experienced this and it really is a great feeling. Competition is fine and good, but Footbag first started with two gentlmen, two friends, just kicking a sack. I like that. Jason Frost ===== Jason Frost jdiabolo@yahoo.com From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 4 16:54:36 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA24965 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:54:36 -0800 Received: from foundationcomputing.net (donorport.org [207.160.174.56]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA24312 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:46:11 -0800 Received: from [207.160.174.20] (HELO dfiatx96-093.dfiatx.dsl.gtei.net) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 1010795 for footbag@footbag.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:41:34 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:46:05 -0600 Subject: Re: [footbag] Why? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Derrick Fogle To: footbag@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020402235002.53189.qmail@web10602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <82CD81C3-482E-11D6-B078-003065BA9A0E@fogles.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org And finally a word from our sponsor... Because I'm addicted to it, man! I gotta have my hacky fix! And that's the truth. My old and decrepit body hurts like hell after a 2-hour solo kicking session. But I still do it. I have no explanation or defense except that I love it and I'm addicted to it and I can't stop it. I enjoy it even more now that I don't compete anymore and I don't feel like I have to 'train' for competition. Now shut up and pass the bag, will ya? -Derrick From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:29:15 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA30685 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:29:15 -0700 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA01806 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:46:12 -0800 Received: from 1cust230.tnt4.manassas.va.da.uu.net ([63.26.198.230] helo=Office) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16tKfv-0006vB-00 for footbag@footbag.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:46:08 -0800 Message-ID: <002901c1dc54$e9b8cad0$0000a398@Office> From: "Chris Siebert" To: Subject: Re: [footbag] Why? Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:49:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I believe that the purpose of any consistent application of human effort is to create change for the better. Every successful contact in footbag makes you feel like you have accomplished something. Footbag is unique in the variety of ways it can be played and the unlimited possible outcomes. Plus, footbag has the added benefit of demanding concentration on one object. This increases the likelihood of experiencing "flow." I did a research paper on the relationship of footbag and "flow" if anyone is interested. Conan From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 9 14:50:48 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA27559 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:50:48 -0700 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA31665 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:39:52 -0700 Received: from D472F201DARYL ([12.253.52.12]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020408213952.YVE18119.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@D472F201DARYL>; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 21:39:52 +0000 Message-ID: <003001c1df45$a7306a30$0c34fd0c@D472F201DARYL> Reply-To: "Daryl Genz" From: "Daryl Genz" To: "Chris Siebert" , References: <002901c1dc54$e9b8cad0$0000a398@Office> Subject: Re: [footbag] Why? Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:37:58 -0600 Organization: Revolution Footbags MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Siebert" > I believe that the purpose of any consistent application of human effort is > to create change for the better. Every successful contact in footbag makes > you feel like you have accomplished something. Footbag is unique in the > variety of ways it can be played and the unlimited possible > outcomes. Well said. > Plus, footbag has the added benefit of demanding concentration on one > object. This increases the likelihood of experiencing "flow." I did a Not necessairly just one! I've felt the flow with more than one bag - let's not limit ourselves. > research paper on the relationship of footbag and "flow" if anyone is > interested. Let's just pray you didn't plagiarize any of it from footbag.com! ;-) Peace. Daryl Genz From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 9 14:51:40 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA27629 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:51:40 -0700 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA15987 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:15:16 -0700 Received: from 1cust117.tnt4.manassas.va.da.uu.net ([63.26.198.117] helo=Office) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16um6F-00019F-00 for footbag@footbag.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 20:15:15 -0700 Message-ID: <007101c1df75$4522a2b0$0000a398@Office> From: "Chris Siebert" To: Subject: [footbag] Footbag and flow Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:18:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wow! Thank you for the many responses about my paper on footbag and flow. Here is the story: I wrote it as an undergrad almost 10 years ago. It relates the concept of flow as defined by a philosopher named Cziksentmihalyi (sp?) to footbag play. I haven't read it in a while, and I wrote it so long ago that I won't claim that it's good. However, I am willing to send it to footbag.org. It will take a while because I am finishing a grad school class right now that is my priority. Plus, the paper was written on a word processor, so I will have to scan it in and stick it on an email. Nevertheless, I will submit it! Conan From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 9 14:53:06 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA27727 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:53:06 -0700 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA16763 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:29:42 -0700 Received: from 1cust117.tnt4.manassas.va.da.uu.net ([63.26.198.117] helo=Office) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16umKD-0002t2-00 for footbag@footbag.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 20:29:42 -0700 Message-ID: <007901c1df77$49a336e0$0000a398@Office> From: "Chris Siebert" To: Subject: [footbag] Consecutives events at Worlds Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:33:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org It seems to me that we should reconsider the merits of the consecutives events at worlds - doubles distance one pass and 5-minute timed consecs. I imagine that IFAB (is that still the name?) has discussed this, but I'd like to see what the general footbag population thinks of these events. Here's how it looks to me: the player participation level is dropping (especially in ddop), and these events are not given any chance at exposure by organizers. So, why do we still devote worlds resources to these events? Possibly because these are the only remaining consecutives events at worlds, and consecutives are the foundation of the sport. I think that we should either give these events a chance at some crowd exposure (they both have a nice rhythm to them) or drop them completely. Let's face it, ddop primarily draws net players who are looking to warm up for the day, and timed consecs, while an amazing and difficult skill, are sort of pushed off into a corner and told, "Just tell us who wins." What do YOU think? Conan From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 14 09:20:16 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA19131 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 09:20:16 -0700 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA23602 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:46:28 -0700 From: Ted Huff Received: from Thehuff1@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.60.1e3a8be0 (2171) for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <60.1e3a8be0.29e9acb7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:45:59 EDT Subject: [footbag] Good footbag net videos? What's in your Footbag history closet? To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Who has good videos of Footbag Net tournament play ? Such as from key regionals and worlds ? Or from school and club instruction ? demonstration in front of good crowds? Is there any really good videos available now ? Where are all the footbag amatuer or professional home videos of past world championships, etc. ??!! What's in your footbag history closet ?? Discussion by current members of Footbag Hall of Fame, is that 1 good master tape is needed , in order to use in soliciting sponsors for this version of the sport, let alone for player, club or school instruction. Please reply with what you have, what format , etc. High quality, key action still pictures will be considered for inclusion in this project. If one video is compiled by Footbag Hall of Fame Historical Society, all credits for footage used will be credited, and copies of this will be made available to all interested in using to support the sport's growth, via IFPA. Please advise if you are interested in participating in this project ! Please note that due to many existing videos of top freestyle play, we are not soliciting for that version now. But, would like to see this same type of video made, so that this could also be used in sponsor solicitation. Please reply to: FootbagHallofFame@footbag.org Dig in those boxes now ! Thanks in advance. PASS IT ON !! From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 14 09:21:23 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA19200 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 09:21:23 -0700 Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA24014 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:01:53 -0700 From: Ted Huff Received: from Thehuff1@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.137.c865801 (2171) for ; Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <137.c865801.29e9b061@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:01:37 EDT Subject: [footbag] Feedback on final ballot nominees for Footbag Hall of Fame: Last Call To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org If you want to provide any feedback , such as testimonials on what these nominee's have done in many forms of leadership for the sport, or such as historical / biographical background on any of the nominee's for this years final ballot voting, please send to:footbaghalloffame@footbag.org BY April 21st. All key information will be including in a mailing of the final ballot by May 5th to all current members of your Footbag Hall of Fame. Results will be announced by June 2nd. The final ballot nominee's for 2002 are: Eric Cole, Samantha "Sam" Conlon, Derrick Fogle, Sabra Jean Hall, Ian Kobiyashi, Jay Muldenhauer, Chris Ott, Allen Petersen, "Rippin' " Rick Reese, Chris "Gator" Routh, Maxell Smith Jr., Tim Vozar, and Eric Wulff !! Thank you in advance for your support of these peers of ours. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 15 18:44:21 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA14638 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:44:21 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GUL02W01GZMY4@clem.mscd.edu> for footbag@footbag.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:38:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GUL02W49GZMNL@clem.mscd.edu> for footbag@footbag.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:38:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:19:10 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [footbag] Consecutives events at Worlds To: footbag Message-id: <3CA04EF6@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org >===== Original Message From Chris Siebert ===== >It seems to me that we should reconsider the merits of the consecutives >events at worlds - doubles distance one pass and 5-minute timed consecs. I agree with this. 5 minute timed consecutives seems like a waste of resources whatever they may be. The people who compete in it do get shoved in a corner and there is no real publicity or crowd drawing. I think the timed consecutives takes a lot of talent, but it seems that it just doesn't have enough 'oomf'. My personal opinion is that it would be much more of a crowd event if the length of time were shortened to 1 minute. Then it would be a serious speed competition and the crowd would be more inclined to watch it due to the shortened length of time. As for the doubles distance one pass, I've never seen the event but it sounds like a "warm-up" as Chris stated. I'd say the effort put into these could be better spent on 35 second shred or even the Most Rippin Run. Again, I realize that these events take effort and ability, but they just don't rake in the crowd. I have a good idea for another net competition though. You put one player on one side of the net in serving position and a bunch of targets on the other side. The targets are worth a variety of points. Each player gets a limited amount of time (say 1 minute) to serve the bag at each target and get points. You could even have a target that's just barely on the other side of the net that'd be worth major points. Most points wins. Those are my thoughts. Later, Brad From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 16 08:55:54 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA22415 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:55:54 -0700 Received: from Tina (cs6668181-103.austin.rr.com [66.68.181.103]) by sm11.texas.rr.com (8.12.1/8.12.0) with SMTP id g3GDeEtk011692 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:40:14 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c1e54c$fce2c600$b47ba8c0@Tina> From: "Tina Lewis" To: "footbag" References: <3CA04EF6@webmail> Subject: Re: [footbag] Consecutives events at Worlds Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:45:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I agree that consecutives does not draw a crowd, is relatively boring, but the two consecutive events are some of the simplest to run. No judging and they take little time. I could do away with one pass but 5 minute timed is a good solid event and should be kept. We need to have all the major "genres" of the game represented at Worlds. The other benefit of consecutives is for newcomers and first time competitors. It may be the only event they have practiced at home (or can practice at home). I met 2 really cool women last year at Worlds who only competed in consecutives and had a great time. They went home with some freestyle tricks and some time on the net - so consecutives opened the doors. Then there is the whole discussion of overall which we have been thrashing around with for years........ Tina. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Apr 19 15:52:37 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA20163 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:52:37 -0700 Received: from I (roadblock.danger.com [63.203.215.64]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA20160 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:52:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@209.125.90.2 Message-Id: X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:52:25 -0700 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [footbag] Footbag Discussion List Policies (please read) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Members of the footbag e-mail list, As there has been more discussion on this list of late, I thought it'd be useful to send these policies around. Please take a minute and read them if you plan to post anytime soon. If you understand and abide by these basic rules, it will save you, me, and my volunteers on footbag.org a lot of time. Today, Derrick Fogle is the moderator of the footbag@footbag.org discussion. If you receive a message from Derrick after you post, please treat him with as much respect as humanly possible. (See point #2 below.) I am the "uber-moderator" of the discussion lists, so any conflicts should be escalated to me. Note that Derrick will ask me to take over moderation when he's unable to do it, so for brief periods I may also be the primary moderator (such as this week). -- (1) Basics: Please keep your posts "on topic", which in this case means: - posts must relate in some way (not too indirectly) to footbag or very specific aspects of the footbag community (just because you think something is relevant to the footbag community, if it's you may want to consider whether or not to attempt to post it if it's not really of relevance, see the next point); - posts must be of relevance to at least 10% of the 900 members, if they're only relevant to 1-2 people, talk to them directly; - posts must *not* be about advanced "freestyle" -- stick to general discussions of footbag or footbag net, whether about competitive sports or about cultural and other issues around footbag (this is also the place to post follow-ups about tournament announcements, questions about organizational issues, footbag sightings in the media, etc.) -- posts about freestyle should be sent to freestyle@footbag.org (but basic questions like, "how do I do a toe stall" will be immediately rejected there :-)) - posts must not repeat questions which were asked recently, so please read the archives before posting your first time (http://list.footbag.org/ and click on "read online") - posts of an announcement nature (i.e., an official announcement like tournament details, major changes in the sport, etc.) should go to the announce@footbag.org list (but are subject to more strict rules than even this list) -- note, the announce@footbag.org list is *not* a discussion list, however, so follow-up to announcements (when appropriate) should go to footbag@footbag.org -- (2) Rejection: Expect your post to be rejected if you haven't read the policies here and are not adhering to them. 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Steve and the all-volunteer staff of footbag.org From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Apr 19 21:37:47 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA09135 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:37:47 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 21:28:15 -0700 Received: from 12.89.170.10 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 04:28:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.89.170.10] From: "Jonathan Schneider" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] IFPA Mailing address Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 00:28:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2002 04:28:15.0975 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA5E1F70:01C1E823] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hey all, Well, I finally got around to joining the IFPA just the other day (April 18, 2002), and I'm so proud. But only moments after I had I though of just one small regret, and that was not waiting just two more days to join. By the time most of you read this it will be 4/20. Yeah, you know what I mean. Consider how cool it would be to have your member profile say " IFPA member since 4/20/02". The point is that right now, this very day, is a very good day to finally get around to doing what you know you've intended to do all along: sign up and support our sport. I can't think of a better way to celebrate 4/20. Well, I can think of one, but I'm due to be tested at work soon, so... Catch ya on the flip side. Jonathan Schneider Outsider@footbag.org From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 23 07:47:14 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA11606 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:47:14 -0700 Received: from foundationcomputing.net (donorport.org [207.160.174.56]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA29041 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 14:58:43 -0700 Received: from dfiatx96-031.dfiatx.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.96.31] verified) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 1143415 for footbag@footbag.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:53:14 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:58:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [footbag] Consecutives events at Worlds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Derrick Fogle To: footbag@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <007901c1df77$49a336e0$0000a398@Office> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org On Monday, April 8, 2002, at 10:33 PM, Chris Siebert wrote: > Here's how it looks to me: the player participation level is dropping > (especially in ddop), and these events are not given any chance at > exposure > by organizers. So, why do we still devote worlds resources to these > events? Despite the fact that timed consecs is my only hope of ever placing at a big tournament, I don't hold any particular love for it. It's an incredibly brutal event. But if we are going to keep consecutives at events, we should at least switch doubles to timed doubles one-pass. DDOP is just stupid. Always has been, always will be. Consecutive should be timed singles and timed doubles; at least there would be some consistency in the events. The idea of a 1-minute timed event seems interesting, but I think it's important for the time to be long enough that a person's aerobic capacity is a factor. 1 minute isn't long enough for that; it takes about 2-1/2 minutes to hit the oxygen debt wall. Finally, any world-level consecutive event should really be a 'drop it, you're done' kind of thing. I totally understand letting novice players pick the thing back up and keep going, but at a professional level a drop should end the rally. I think we should either scrap it, or make it into a 'filler' event between finals net matches. If we need to shorten the rally times to make it fit, so be it. If it just won't work there, scrap it. -Derrick From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 25 07:11:16 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA02274 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:11:16 -0700 Received: from medlicott.panasas.com ([65.194.57.194]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA01765 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:35:40 -0700 Received: from medlicott.panasas.com (IDENT:welch@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by medlicott.panasas.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29708 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:35:33 -0700 Message-Id: <200204240435.VAA29708@medlicott.panasas.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5.9 (CVS) 4/16/2002 with nmh-1.0.4 To: footbag@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Consecutives events at Worlds In-reply-to: <200204232226.PAA11980@llic.net> References: <200204232226.PAA11980@llic.net> Comments: In-reply-to owner-footbag-digest@list.footbag.org message dated "Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:26:02 -0700." From: Brent Welch X-URL: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: "HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\W:AK\j?@?c1o>>Derrick said: > On Monday, April 8, 2002, at 10:33 PM, Chris Siebert wrote: > > > Here's how it looks to me: the player participation level is dropping > > (especially in ddop), and these events are not given any chance at > > exposure > > by organizers. So, why do we still devote worlds resources to these > > events? Well, last year they yanked prize money from the events and participation dropped way off. I was against that, but it wasn't my decision. Also, I'm greedy because I've won prize money at many DDOP contests, including first place. But, beyond my own personal greed, I think that if the tournaments do not support the events they will wither and die. > Despite the fact that timed consecs is my only hope of ever placing at a > big tournament, I don't hold any particular love for it. It's an > incredibly brutal event. > > But if we are going to keep consecutives at events, we should at least > switch doubles to timed doubles one-pass. DDOP is just stupid. Always > has been, always will be. Consecutive should be timed singles and timed > doubles; at least there would be some consistency in the events. Timed doubles would be interesting. But, of course, I object to DDOP being called "stupid" :-) I call speed consecs "stupid" because I don't enjoy it, but really it is just that it is very difficult, and not stupid at all. DDOP is also difficult, and watching a good DDOP rally is loaded with suspense. What I object to is that everyone gets to go off and practice willy nilly, wait around to see how well other's do, etc. I'd rather see a shotgun start so you get the "last man standing" effect. > The idea of a 1-minute timed event seems interesting, but I think it's > important for the time to be long enough that a person's aerobic > capacity is a factor. 1 minute isn't long enough for that; it takes > about 2-1/2 minutes to hit the oxygen debt wall. Good point. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 30 17:22:57 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA26021 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:22:57 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f27.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.27]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA19014 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:05:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:05:29 -0700 Received: from 216.208.212.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:05:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.208.212.14] From: "Yves Archambault" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Consecutives events at Worlds Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:05:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2002 19:05:29.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AB7A6E0:01C1EC8C] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Why just not stop all the non sense as Master Gary Griggs demanded it as soon as 1988 after winning a singles net title: let's get rid of the consecutives and golf at World's and focus entirely and properly on the events that people practice and which have a real show potential: Net and Freestyle. As far as DDOP being stupid, I think it's a very partial opinion from people who just couldn't be successfull at it. Personnally I think it's a high pressure event that's been instrumental in preparing for the net events (at least it's been doing that) but I would happily live without it, if the organizers have the courage to cut all the other crap too. Ciao! Yevez Nuts'n'Bolts From: Derrick Fogle Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:58:46 -0500 On Monday, April 8, 2002, at 10:33 PM, Chris Siebert wrote: >Here's how it looks to me: the player participation level is dropping >(especially in ddop), and these events are not given any chance at >exposure >by organizers. So, why do we still devote worlds resources to these >events? Despite the fact that timed consecs is my only hope of ever placing at a big tournament, I don't hold any particular love for it. It's an incredibly brutal event. But if we are going to keep consecutives at events, we should at least switch doubles to timed doubles one-pass. DDOP is just stupid. Always has been, always will be. Consecutive should be timed singles and timed doubles; at least there would be some consistency in the events. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 30 17:23:50 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA26110 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:23:50 -0700 Received: from web14403.mail.yahoo.com (web14403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.60]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id UAA19258 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:34:50 -0700 Message-ID: <20020426033449.11516.qmail@web14403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.56.212.183] by web14403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:34:49 PDT Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:34:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Sawyer Subject: [footbag] New member To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hey, I am a new member to this list. My name is Brian and I live in Durham, N.C. I have been playing hack at school for 2 years, and have gotten pretty good. I would like to learn more about different moves and more about hacky in general. Feel free to email me if ya want to talk about hacky (bcs435@yahoo.com) Peace out, Brian From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 30 17:24:34 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA26188 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:24:34 -0700 Received: from web21301.mail.yahoo.com (web21301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.212]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA24137 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:56:13 -0700 Message-ID: <20020430235613.19215.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.150.12.80] by web21301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:56:13 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Pihl Subject: [footbag] Ca state tourney needs nets To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hey there its time for the Ca. state championships in Chico and we need your nets Thanks for your help Brian Pihl chicoKicker@footbag.org