From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 4 00:20:34 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA26421 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:20:34 -0700 Received: from web13403.mail.yahoo.com (web13403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.61]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id SAA29591 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:20:51 -0700 Message-ID: <20020531012051.65508.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.127.141.74] by web13403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 30 May 2002 18:20:51 PDT Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:20:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Josh Bast Subject: Re: [footbag] How did you discover footbag? To: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <3CE51D36.57D3132C@intouch.bc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org When I was in high school (1992), My older brother came back from college on vacation and brought a Sipa. By the time he left I was hooked and needed a bag of my own. I searched high and low all over town for a place that sold them and found nothing. I finally went to the bank to cash a paycheck and was discussing my dissappointment with the teller. She told me she know a guy that made his own bags and gave me his number. The next day I met Kirk Flagg and the rest of the Lake Ozark Footbag Tribe. (I think there were about 8 of us) Kirk made me a bag and invited me to the annual Ozarks Open Footbag Tournament in Springfield, MO. When I finally saw what could be done with this little footbag, I was astounded and have been carrying one in my pocket ever since. > > Dat Phan wrote: > > > Hey List, > > > > I was wondering how everyone else got introduced > to > > footbag. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 4 00:24:06 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA26596 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:24:06 -0700 Received: from valinet.com (mbs.valinet.com [208.171.246.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA20744 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 04:16:38 -0700 Received: from computer (atlanta-ip-3-15.dynamic.ziplink.net [206.15.153.15]) by valinet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA17207 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 07:16:29 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01c20897$37dcdb20$0f990fce@computer> From: "Daniel Botkin" To: References: <200205292226.PAA10308@llic.net> Subject: Re: [footbag] How did you discover footbag? Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 07:34:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org > Re: [footbag] How did you discover footbag? I discovered footbag in 1984 in an attempt to bond with a gang of beloved but recalcitrant alternative school truants. One morning I "caught" a group of my students hiding out in the woods behind the school, smoking and engrossed in kicking a small ball around. "Your parents are paying good money to send you to this program" I guilt tripped them, "and this is what you do?!. You don't need to be a scholar here, but you do need to study something, anything!". "Why don't let's study 'Hacky Sack'" snorted Frank, the ringleader (most likely to commit a felony before age 18) with fake sincerity. "OK you wiseacre, but you gotta come to class every day", I snapped back impulsively, calling his bluff without a clue what it might mean. One thing led to another. The next morning, they all showed up for "Hacky" class. We researched the genesis of foot games. We measured our heart and breathing rates before and after. We graphed pulses of the smokers and the non-smokers . Then Frank stayed up one night taking apart and re-stitching his original two panel and showed up for class bleary eyed and ecstatic. "Dan, we could make these things!" And those kids and I began making our first (awful) bags with salvaged upholstery leather, cotton thread and popping corn. The students' zeal for footbag faded in a few months or a year, but not mine. Someone on the street claimed there was a circuit of professional footbag and a World Championship in Golden, Colorado. I was off to see for myself... Footbag was a fortuitous addition in my life. Having incurred a severe chondromalacia knee injury (as a bike-touring fanatic four years previous), footbag offered me a convenient, fun, aerobic workout with little of the repetitive pounding and grinding so damaging to knee joints. For this sidelined athlete, footbag came as a joyous reprieve. Also, as a teacher, counselor and peace activist, footbag offered the ultimate, apolitical medium to barnstorm in many places, promote tolerance and teach cooperation. I am still fascinated by footbag's uncanny capacity as a group builder. Playing the game with my students, friends, or with persons from other cultures, I observe a powerful catalyst of community and a keenly intrinsic motivator. Keeping the bag aloft within a circle and rallying together in quest of the proverbial "jam" or "hack", friends, strangers, colleagues - even enemies... cannot help being drawn together, animated and tranformed by cooperation and teamwork. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 4 00:25:29 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA26648 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:25:29 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f80.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.80]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA26985 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:06:26 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 May 2002 15:05:19 -0700 Received: from 216.167.144.30 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 22:05:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.167.144.30] From: "Marlena Agnes" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] How did you discover footbag? Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 16:05:18 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2002 22:05:19.0177 (UTC) FILETIME=[407A7B90:01C208EF] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I'm not ashamed of my age. I'm 24 going on 25. Last November a very good friend of mine introduced me to the game. You should have seen me duck when the hacky sack came to me. I now have 4 hacky sacks and I LOVE to play. My sister and I play almost everyday. It's teaching me to have patience and to learn the lost art of balancing. I'm usually not into sports, and I don't plan on competing, but this is a very fun activity for me that is also good exercise. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 4 00:27:58 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA26735 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:27:58 -0700 Received: from omta05.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA05960 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 18:34:35 -0700 Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta05.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7809749293 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 18:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 609A62756; Fri, 31 May 2002 18:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:34:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Vadim Dukhovny To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Pain in side of foot Reply-To: dohovenus@planet-save.com X-Originating-Ip: [130.212.200.30] Message-Id: <20020601013430.609A62756@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I just played for the first time with Lavers ("Special shoes? Psh, I don't need special shoes") and it was remarkable. What a difference. However, about a half-hour after I had finished, I felt a throbbing, blunt pain in the side of my left foot (where you do outsides), and it really hurt to walk normally. Any explanations for this? I doubt it's the Lavers because so many people play with them, but that's all I can think of. It's never happened before, and I only played for about an hour, which I have definitely topped before. I was not doing hard moves, and I was pretty stretched. Regards, Vadim Dukhovny. Locrian for life. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 4 00:33:29 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA27064 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:33:29 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f192.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.192]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA12968 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:20:02 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 May 2002 20:19:58 -0700 Received: from 210.49.190.48 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 03:19:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.49.190.48] From: "Dan Ednie" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] How the concept of a Footbagger is likened to the concept of a Jedi Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 13:19:58 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2002 03:19:58.0373 (UTC) FILETIME=[355B2D50:01C2091B] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hello footbaggers With all the recent Star Wars hype I got thinking about one of the most perfect and inspiring concepts ever created in fiction, the Jedi. For years I tried to work out where I could find a real Jedi (or a gremlin) or if there was any way I could become a modern day Jedi. I forgot this search three years ago but it is obvious to me now that I have always searched and devoted myself to finding and living up to that pure and perfect lifestyle. After playing hacky for a week I looked up hacky on the internet and found footbag.org and the video section. When I first saw Brian Mckenzie on the 1999 world championships video section on footbag.org I was almost overcome with not only sheer amazement but also respect. This was a respect I had only ever attributed to a select group of political figures (Mandela, Ghandi, Lenin), a handful of philosophers (Kant, Phittskennypipe, Hyanthes and Nietzsche) and of course the Jedi. The particular move that was really embedded in my mind and the one that gave Brian that supernatural effect was a baily paradox blender (or some other blender move). The blender, the mobius, p.s whirl and so many dexy down time moves share the elements of supreme agility, speed, strength, and the most perfect, almost instinctive tecnique and ability with the lightsaber movements of the star wars Jedi. "If you aim for the sky at worst you will fall amoung the stars" Dan Ednie From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 4 00:33:34 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA27091 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:33:34 -0700 Received: from I (dhcp212.llic.net [209.125.90.212]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA27088 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:33:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@209.125.90.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020601013430.609A62756@sitemail.everyone.net> References: <20020601013430.609A62756@sitemail.everyone.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:33:32 -0700 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] Pain in side of foot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Vadim, It's likely the Lavers. They're great for freestyle but they suck as regular shoes (don't tell Adidas I said that :-)). You *must* buy Spenco athletic insoles (green top, black bottoms) and cut them and insert them into your Lavers before you continue. You can find them at any major drug store in North America. If you live in any other country, sorry but I can't tell you -- but I'm sure the inter-web can help you. :-) Also, you may want to experiment with the arch support (you can pull out the foam arch support that comes standard in the Laver (under the insole) and get athletic insoles that have built-in arch support, and/or check with an expert and see if you need special inserts for your arches). These things become much more important when you start playing footbag, and especially when you wear Lavers. Steve At 6:34 PM -0700 5/31/02, Vadim Dukhovny wrote: >I just played for the first time with Lavers ("Special shoes? Psh, I >don't need special shoes") and it was remarkable. What a difference. >However, about a half-hour after I had finished, I felt a throbbing, >blunt pain in the side of my left foot (where you do outsides), and >it really hurt to walk normally. Any explanations for this? I doubt >it's the Lavers because so many people play with them, but that's >all I can think of. It's never happened before, and I only played >for about an hour, which I have definitely topped before. I was not >doing hard moves, and I was pretty stretched. > >Regards, > >Vadim Dukhovny. > >Locrian for life. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 7 18:06:35 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA19118 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:06:35 -0700 From: Kenny Shults Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.6f.28a1e413 (3965) for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 21:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f.28a1e413.2a32b1e6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 21:03:34 EDT Subject: [footbag] Hall of Fame nomination and selection process To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org First I'd like to congratulate Maxell Smith, Chris Ott and Allan Petersen, this year's inductees in the Footbag Hall of Fame. I've had the distinct pleasure of knowing each of this year's inductees for many years and can say, without a doubt, that they are some of the finest people ever to be involved in our sport. Many of you might have been surprised that many equally worthy nominees were not elected by a 66% vote of the current Hall of Fame members. I have to say that I was surprised as well. While I believe that the current nomination and voting process is fair, I feel that the results could better reflect the goals of the Hall of Fame - to recognize both the pioneering efforts of the sports early promoters that helped make the sport what it is today and to acknowledge the accomplishments of the game's greatest players. Shortly after this year's final ballot was announced, I proposed the creation of a Hall of Fame Selection Oversight committee. I was concerned that the current nomination system was leaving some worthy individuals out and wanted to see if we make some modifications that could correct that. The primary purpose of the committee will be to evaluate the current nomination and selection process and make recommendations for improvements that will help the Hall of Fame to better attain its goals. The formation of this committee within the Hall of Fame was approved by consensus of the membership. Other volunteers serving on this committee are Andy Linder, Tricia George, and Dennis Ross. Any revisions will be implemented for the 2003 nomination and selection process. I would welcome any feedback or comments related to improving the Footbag Hall of Fame nomination and selection process. Please feel free to email your comments directly to me. Congratulations again to Maxell, Chris and Allan, I look forward to seeing each of you soon. I would also like to thank Ted Huff for his efforts in keeping the Hall of Fame going each year, fueled only by his unmatched passion for the sport. Sincerely, Kenny Shults Footbag Hall of Fame 1999 From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 12 21:31:14 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA28777 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:31:14 -0700 Received: from out017.verizon.net (out017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.94]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA04097 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 17:05:14 -0700 Received: from ul2ju ([4.46.28.112]) by out017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020609000438.DJCE9414.out017.verizon.net@ul2ju> for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 19:04:38 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Mike Stoler" To: Subject: [footbag] Footbag net rule question Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 17:07:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hello Footbaggers. In footbag net, what is the ruling when one team has not put the bag over the net and the other team contacts the bag before it hits the ground? In our club, we've seen this happen in two ways: One way is when the one team has not put the bag over the net, it is going to hit the ground, and the other team contacts the bag under the net before it hits the ground. The other way is when the bag has gone out of bounds, sometimes on the other player's side of the court and the other team contacts the bag before it hits the ground. Also, does it matter if the first team has already hit the bag three times (for doubles) or twice (for singles)? My guess is that any contact before the bag has hit the ground and become dead is a foul, even if it is obvious to all players that the bag is not going to go over the net. Is that right? Thanks and happy kicking. Rex From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 12 21:32:33 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA28898 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:32:33 -0700 Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA20984 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:01:47 -0700 From: Thehuff1@aol.com Received: from Thehuff1@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.2d.1e501ff8 (4185) for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2d.1e501ff8.2a33a082@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:01:38 EDT Subject: [footbag] pictures wanted To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Yo ! anyone have any good, clear pictures of Chris Ott, or Allan Petersen, or Maxell Smith, the 2003 inductee's to your Hall of Fame ? If so, please send to me, and I'll scan in to a presentation of them and the sport to be shown at World's 2003 ! Also, any of the other 2003 finalists: Eric Cole, Sam Conlon, Derrick Fogle, Sabra Jean Hall, Ian Kobayashi, Jay Muldenhauer, Rippin' Rick Reese, Gator Routh, Tim Vozar,and Eric Wulff would be greatly appreciated as well ! Also, any other future nominee's pictures will be used in additional history presentations of the sport. please include descriptions with each photo,and photogragher ! all will be returned carefully, and promptly ! please send to: Ted Huff/Footbag Hall of Fame c/o P.O. Box 1065 Camas, Wa. 98607 or via email attachment to: thehuff1@aol.com or thehuff1@attbi.com Thank you in advance! Please reply/send by July 8th so I have time to put these all together, including credits to those contributing to your sport's history ! "Pass It On ! " From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 12 21:36:25 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA29067 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:36:25 -0700 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA18926; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 07:40:02 -0700 From: Thehuff1@aol.com Received: from Thehuff1@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id i.80.1ca9ad69 (2170); Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <80.1ca9ad69.2a321f22@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:37:22 EDT Subject: [footbag] Re: [announce] Footbag Hall of Fame -- New Inductees for 2002 To: juliesymons@attbi.com CC: psports500@hotmail.com, bruce@worldfootbag.com, alinder12@juno.com, launchyourdreams@msn.com, gb909@warn.com, KenShults@aol.com, JUGGLEMAG@aol.com, Garrhow@aol.com, hooter@cybertrails.com, edlaura@worldaccessnet.com, ws_fish@msn.com, cheryl.hughes@gijoes.com, jim@flyingclipper.com, rkaufman@prodigy.net, kicking333@msn.com, robert.conover@gapac.com, jimmyc@footbag.org, yevez@hotmail.com, deibiddo@earthlink.net, gllautt@netzero.net, constable3@earthlink.net, freefloe@ross.tc, torben.wigger@oelby-skole.dk, lorijean@mindspring.com, scott@creativeathletics.com, footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Dear Julie, I understand your questions about who is Maxell Smith, and what happens to those nominee's not carried forward, etc. The announcements I have made every year, as designated volunteer director of this hall of fame effort, and especially since 1999, have stated the criteria that the HoF members, as of 1999, had decided upon by a majority vote: 1. that they felt they were the only ones really qualified to cast the final ballot vote, as they would have a better knowledge of the leadership efforts, etc. of players & promoters from the beginning of Footbag's history versus general footbag public. 2. that the final ballot should be limited to 10 nominee's (+ties), so that the voting would be better distributed to those finalists, in order to gain: 3. 66% majority vote to be inducted. 4. that the top 5 nominee's in votes received on the final ballot ( + ties), but not receiving the 66% majority for induction, would be automatically carried forward to the next year's final ballot. 5. That 5 (+ties) would be added to the final ballot via open nominations during the current year. These 5 would be determined by whoever received the most in multiple nominations that year, during a specific nomination period: January to March 31st. Therefore, out of 13 on this year's final ballot, due to ties, 3 will be inducted this year, due to receiving a 66% majority vote by actual ballots received by the June 1st deadline, and 5 will be automatically carried forward. All other nominee's will need to be re-nominated, along with any others, by the general footbag public next January to March. 6. that no restriction was placed on retirement from open singles, etc. play of the sport, as the sport is/was still too young to place that limitation on a nomination. That being said, based on the current criteria, the key to this process is still the nomination support by anyone interested, and that may include testimonials for those nominee's, and may include solicitation of support from the current members of the HoF that have the privelege to vote for the final ballot. As for Maxell Smith, he has been receiving enough votes to be carried forward to the final ballot since 1997, but not enough to be at 66% for induction, until this year. As you may have noted, Maxell was involved in early 80's, so 99% of anyone playing today might not have ever heard of him, but that does not diminish his sacrificies and leadership that helped move the game and sport forward while he was active for the NHSA and WFA, worldwide. As for anything changing in this process of nomination and/or voting, Ken Shults has agreed to head up a committee of HoF members to make recommendations for changes beginning in 2003. Anyone may want to direct questions to Ken, or to date fellow committee members: Andy Linder, Dennis Ross, or Tricia George. Or questions may be directed to FootbagHallofFame@footbag.org, and they will be forwarded to all current members. This idea of a hall of fame for this sport is/was based on honoring, and respecting, the sport's history via it's leaders, past to present. This is only important if today's player's and promoters see this as a personal goal for themselves via their own leadership in growing the game and sport worldwide. I hope that the players today will respect those facts, as leadership is necessary for each of them to gain respect for their personal play and involvement in Footbag. "Pass It On !!" If not for players becoming teachers, club organizers, tour team members, tournament organizers, and promoters, the sport has a weak future. I hope that all of today's players recognize that joining the I.F.P.A. is now a key to the future of their sport. I also hope that they recognize that being nominated, and, hopefully, inducted into their sport's hall of fame is not an easy path, but is one they might seek to understand, learn from, and respect those that came before them, and gave back to the sport, so that they might have the opportunity today. Best regards, Ted Huff, co-director Footbag Hall of Fame Historical Society From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:03:54 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA26292 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:03:54 -0700 Received: from can01new.pge.com (can01new.pge.com [131.89.128.10]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA18369 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:33:54 -0700 Received: from dns00.pge.com (dns00 [131.89.128.66]) by can01new.pge.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g54HUgX23939 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns02.comp.pge.com by dns00.pge.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-4.1) id KAA04886; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exchange01.comp.pge.com by dns02.comp.pge.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-4.1) id KAA04792; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange01.comp.pge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:30:35 -0700 Message-ID: <83F23A169621D611826E00034795FC54196C0F@Exchange402.comp.pge.com> From: "Holland, Daniel" To: footbag@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] How did you discover footbag? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:25:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I was working at a really miserable job at a retirement home in Seattle and on a break, a fellow dishwasher broke out one of those old two panel hard as a rock walnut-sized footbags that he'd run over with his car a couple times. Anyways, we had a ball kickin' that thing and that's all she wrote. I spent endless hours in my back yard trying to control it. I've kept on kicking hard footbags throughout the years for the challenge and now because it's easier on my frail old body :). Oh my god; I just calculated it, I started in 1980. Dan Holland From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:03:24 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA26249 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:03:24 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA19082 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:47:05 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) id <0GX706M0102HXI@clem.mscd.edu> for footbag@footbag.org; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GX706LG202H54@clem.mscd.edu> for footbag@footbag.org; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:26:57 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [footbag] How did you discover footbag? To: footbag Message-id: <3CD742D7@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org When I was about 7 or 8 my I saw a bunch of guys kicking around a Sipa with bare feet. When I was 11 I bought my first "Hacky Sack" Brand footbag. When I was 16 I turned Sipa. At 20 I discovered Jester's (flying clippers), toe stalls, Around the World Kicks, and pendulums. By 21 I met Daryl Genz and the door to the world of footbag was opened wide. Later, Brad From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:05:01 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA26398 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:05:01 -0700 Received: from m22.boston.juno.com (m22.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.85]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA09787 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 02:22:21 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"stHo5BQddtEjcrVLw9PkWzwx92FMpDtKHaLTygkkSp5855yjtY7DFg=="> Received: (from flutefreak7@juno.com) by m22.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G32ZXW5Z; Thu, 30 May 2002 05:21:48 EDT To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 05:20:59 -0400 Subject: [footbag] 2 panels for free? Message-ID: <20020530.052100.6204.1.flutefreak7@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,15-16 From: Brett N Ables Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hey everyone, I thought it might be neat to design a new footbag for Dragonfly footbags and get $25 even though I have no clue how. I set to work diagraming the pattern of my 120 panel footbag, drawing all the shapes as they fit together for one hemisphere of the bag. I checked over it several times to make sure all the little triangles were in their place and everything, and I counted the shapes to be sure it was 60, and to my suprise I got 61, but I did not draw it wrong, I came up with a way to count the panels on the bag and got 122. I made sure my drawing was geometrically sound and it is, a pentagon in the middle, each side attached to a pattern of twelve shapes. Also, for the sake of the list I marked every panel with a pen and counted them to be exhaustively sure. I know this may seem rediculously stupid to some people, but I want to say that anyone who is proud of their 120 panel footbag can now be 1/60th prouder because there are most certainly 122 panels! -Bables From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:09:50 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA27669 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:09:50 -0700 Received: from press.ripcity.com (press.ripcity.com [66.178.131.132]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA17315; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:39:29 -0700 Received: by press.ripcity.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:40:53 -0700 Message-ID: From: Steve Dusablon To: "'stoler@footbag.org'" Cc: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [footbag] Footbag net rule question Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:39:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I believe in the instance where the bag does not cross the plane and is contacted beneath the net by the opposing team, the point or side-out goes to the team not commiting the infraction. As far as the bag traveling outside the boundaries of the stanchions, that bag is out of bounds. So if the bag crosses the plane but is judged to be outside the stanchions they play is over and the bag is dead even if the other team kicks it. Not totally sure but I am pretty sure that is right =) Steve -----Original Message----- From: Mike Stoler [mailto:mike.stoler@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 5:07 PM To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Footbag net rule question Hello Footbaggers. In footbag net, what is the ruling when one team has not put the bag over the net and the other team contacts the bag before it hits the ground? In our club, we've seen this happen in two ways: One way is when the one team has not put the bag over the net, it is going to hit the ground, and the other team contacts the bag under the net before it hits the ground. The other way is when the bag has gone out of bounds, sometimes on the other player's side of the court and the other team contacts the bag before it hits the ground. Also, does it matter if the first team has already hit the bag three times (for doubles) or twice (for singles)? My guess is that any contact before the bag has hit the ground and become dead is a foul, even if it is obvious to all players that the bag is not going to go over the net. Is that right? Thanks and happy kicking. Rex From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:11:51 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA27770 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:11:51 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f188.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.188]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA22075 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:45:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:45:38 -0700 Received: from 207.225.113.62 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Jun 2002 00:45:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.225.113.62] From: "Keith White" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] How did you discover footbag? Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 00:45:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2002 00:45:38.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[A45371E0:01C20DBC] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I discovered footbag through my older brother and his friend when I was in 7th grade or so. Now I am 20 and still playing and quite good. I grew up playing soccer, so I found a new thing that I could do with my feet, and instantly held my own when playing with my brother by being able to keep the hack in the air with toe picks and making saves for people. After all that, I have made good friends through hack and have helped expose the game to other people. Keith White Denver, CO From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:13:04 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA27861 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:13:04 -0700 Received: from tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts24.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.187]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA22887; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:30:18 -0700 From: cote.eric@sympatico.ca Received: from [209.226.175.14] by tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020613173006.HTAP9770.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.14]>; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:30:06 -0400 To: CC: Subject: Re: [footbag] Footbag net rule question Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:30:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020613173006.HTAP9770.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.14]> Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Rex, This issue has to do with if and when the bag is *dead* or not. If the opposing team was not able to cross the bag over after 3 hits, it's technically dead before it hits the ground or net. No fault should be awarded. If they still have a kick left, then it should be considered *live* as the opponent still has a technical chance of finishing the play. If the opposing team sends it cleanly over the net and you touch it, even if it's *going* out, it's still live. The bag would have to land (on the ground) out of bounds for it to be declared dead. At least that is how I understand it. Eric Cote > Date: 2002/06/08 sam. PM 08:07:26 EDT > > Hello Footbaggers. > > In footbag net, what is the ruling when one team has not put the bag > over the net and the other team contacts the bag before it hits the > ground? In our club, we've seen this happen in two ways: One way is > when the one team has not put the bag over the net, it is going to hit > the ground, and the other team contacts the bag under the net before > it hits the ground. The other way is when the bag has gone out of > bounds, sometimes on the other player's side of the court and the > other team contacts the bag before it hits the ground. Also, does it > matter if the first team has already hit the bag three times (for > doubles) or twice (for singles)? > > My guess is that any contact before the bag has hit the ground and > become dead is a foul, even if it is obvious to all players that the > bag is not going to go over the net. Is that right? > > Thanks and happy kicking. > > Rex > > From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:52:50 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA31021 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:52:50 -0700 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA30690 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:49:42 -0700 From: SpiKe60624@aol.com Received: from SpiKe60624@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id z.ab.1d898588 (3699) for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:49:40 EDT Subject: Re: [footbag] How did you discover footbag? To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org I started last year in Conesus NY. Ive been playing ever since and started studing the footbag notation and other key points of the game, my consecutives is at 236...... not bad for a 16 year old first year player Spike Livingston From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 16 16:03:39 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA21318 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:03:39 -0700 Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA20220 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:46:14 -0700 Received: from ul2ju ([4.46.28.112]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020616224605.QXKB28968.out002.verizon.net@ul2ju> for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 17:46:05 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Mike Stoler" To: Subject: [footbag] Which net bag do you prefer? Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:48:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hello Happy Footbaggers. What bag do you like to play net with? For some time, we've enjoyed playing with "comp" bags (1/2 vinyl panels, 1/2 leather panels). They seem to give better touch than all vinyl bags, which seem to play slippery. But which do you prefer? 42 panel or 32 panel? Some in our club say that the 32 panel bags break in too rapidly and end up in the squish zone too soon. Others say that that's the lifespan of a bag and that it just has to be tolerated. Some say that the 42 panel bags take longer to break in but last longer in the end. Others say that they never break in and are a pain in the butt to kick with. What say you? Thanks and happy kicking. Rex & OOPS! From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 20 14:35:33 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA27076 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:35:33 -0700 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA22419 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:00:12 -0700 From: ITekboyI@aol.com Received: from ITekboyI@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id z.122.12f5c54e (18711) for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <122.12f5c54e.2a438e44@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:00:04 EDT Subject: [footbag] hello everyone To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hi everyone. I just joined this list so I am doing like it says and introducing myself. My name is Jack Spehar and I am 18 from a small town near Canton, Ohio. I started playing footbag when I was about 12 with a koosh ball. I played with that thing for a couple weeks before I got a Guatemalan. I never was very good and so I quit playing it but recently I've started up again and in the last 2 weeks I've greatly improved, though I'm sure I still suck pretty bad by most standards. I'm interested in any information anyone can give me about the footbag itself. Such as how to properly take beads out (I've butchered a few bags in the last couple days trying to open up the top.) I also am going to be ordering a pair of Rod Lavars in a few days because I need some new shoes anyway. I'll order a quality footbag along with them if someone can tell me what makes up a good footbag. It will probably only be used for casual play. Me and a few friends usually just try to see how many kicks we can get so I won't need a net footbag. I am also very interested in learning the footbag lingo. The only footbag terms I know are a kick and a stall. This is getting long so I'll end it now and hopefully hear from someone soon. Thanks for any and all help. Jack Spehar From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 21 12:38:54 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA09830 for footbag-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:38:54 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f116.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.116]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA23499 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:03:37 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:03:37 -0700 Received: from 195.157.141.100 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:03:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.157.141.100] From: "Rachel Anning" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Girls and England UK Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:03:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2002 12:03:37.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACB85C50:01C2191B] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hi there. I'm a keen haki player (as are so many Kiwis)... I've been searching the net 4eva looking for Haki Sack, little did I know it's called footsack. Well, are there any/many fab girls freestylin' it up out there? I notice all the video footage is boys (so far). Shame not much goes on in the UK with it. I live in Brighton (UK) and we have a possee that plays every day we can, Kiwi (New Zealand - that's me), England, Norway, Finland, Sweden, France... we all play together whilst drinking beer mostly. I love the game, I'm the only girl I've ever seen play and I want to get into some competitions, but it would seem I'll have to travel to do that. If anyone has any info on girl players or anyone doing anything wicked with Hack in the UK can you let me know. I spread the word..... Enjoy, and look after those knees. Ra.