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From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 9 17:52:32 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAA1qWpT004270 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:52:32 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAA1qWH8004268 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:52:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:12:20 -0800 Received: from 153.111.60.15 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 00:12:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [153.111.60.15] From: "Simon Hughes" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Promotion Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 13:12:19 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2002 00:12:20.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB852DE0:01C28784] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Kickers from around the Globe, I would like to have a discussion about promoting freestyle footbag and the ways to go about it. Every player has been brought into the sport by the means of some "promotion", so imagine if *everyone* started promoting then we would have like 100x more players. I think the majority of us aren't doing anything is because we don't know - where to start, where to go, what to do, how to do it. Perhaps if we share idea's, give each other advice and tips on things others might have done, or have been thinking about we should be able to set up a big promotion plan I've realised that each and everyone of us can make a big difference in the sport, so if we *all* do something(like that YMCA classes Chris was talking about) we would have a massive footbag force against the community.Footbag is heading into the right direction, but lets make it move faster. I know there is alot of work being done by certain shredders. Stuff such as video's, clothes, TV clips, demo's, footbags sold/given and classes/lessons which is helping freestyle footbag alot I am sure of, but still think of how much more it would help if it was distributed through everyone. Anyway how about Footbag posters, footbag packs(including footbag, guide how to play, video, etc) Footbag calendar(with the top shredders, with shots from competitions that would be mint *drool*) Ok, thanks freestylers, now lets all think of some positive idea's shoot them at me. Simon "Tornado" Hughes From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 9 19:44:06 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAA3i6UD009002 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:44:06 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAA3i6Ic009000 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:44:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 18:28:44 -0800 Received: from 210.49.190.48 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:28:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.49.190.48] From: "Dan Ednie" To: footbag@footbag.org, wild_lion_@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [footbag] Promotion Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:28:43 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2002 02:28:44.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3E6D8F0:01C28860] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hello footbaggers, I've been hearing a lot about this lately, development of footbag. Things like publicity and PROGRESS! Why is everyone so excited about getting footbag on tv and making the bap celebrities. Personally, i like footbag how it is now. one of the main things that drew me to it in the first place, was the fact that virtually no-one did it. This underground sport, away from the public eye, was pushing the levels of physical virtue but doing it in a way that was so acutely artistic that it could bring tears to a grown man's eyes. At this stage i feel that the only people who play are those who truly love the sport, and play for the sheer satisfaction of playing and being with other players. No-one gets good so they can live rich lives and be famous, they play because they feel an inner pull towards perfection. I'm not picking on you Simon, and I'm not saying your corrupt or anyone else who pours they're hearts into footbag promotion. You love the sport so much that you feel the need to share it with everyone you can, this is a beautiful thing. I just think its important that we try to make sure that the people playing are playing for the right reasons, and keep the corporations out. Dan Ednie > >Kickers from around the Globe, > >I would like to have a discussion about promoting freestyle footbag and the >ways to go about it. > >Every player has been brought into the sport by the means of some >"promotion", so imagine if *everyone* started promoting then we would have >like 100x more players. > >I think the majority of us aren't doing anything is because we don't know - >where to start, where to go, what to do, how to do it. >Perhaps if we share idea's, give each other advice and tips on things >others might have done, or have been thinking about we should be able to >set up a big promotion plan > >I've realised that each and everyone of us can make a big difference in the >sport, so if we *all* do something(like that YMCA classes Chris was talking >about) we would have a massive footbag force against the community.Footbag >is heading into the right direction, but lets make it move faster. > >I know there is alot of work being done by certain shredders. Stuff such as >video's, clothes, TV clips, demo's, footbags sold/given and classes/lessons >which is helping freestyle footbag alot I am sure of, but still think of >how much more it would help if it was distributed through everyone. > >Anyway how about Footbag posters, footbag packs(including footbag, guide >how to play, video, etc) Footbag calendar(with the top shredders, with >shots from competitions that would be mint *drool*) > >Ok, thanks freestylers, now lets all think of some positive idea's shoot >them at me. > >Simon "Tornado" Hughes From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 9 20:01:35 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAA41ZUD009454 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:01:35 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAA41ZkD009452 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:01:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from [192.168.2.32] ([12.250.228.110]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021110023317.XPBN3205.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@[192.168.2.32]>; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:33:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: scott.davidson1@mail.attbi.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1970 01:38:59 -0600 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [footbag] Promotion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hi Simon! At 1:12 PM +1300 11/9/02, Simon Hughes wrote: >I would like to have a discussion about promoting freestyle footbag >and the ways to go about it. >Every player has been brought into the sport by the means of some >"promotion", so imagine if *everyone* started promoting then we >would have like 100x more players. Are you a member of the IFPA? Become a member today! It all starts at http://www.footbag.org. Join us in getting the word out about the benefits of the sport of footbag. Some of our members are currently working on making the kind of information you are looking for into a public archive for all members to use. We have many more plans as well, but it takes dedicated members, with skills to contribute, to make these things happen. I know I speak for my fellow directors, when I implore you to develop your ideas (instead of simply proposing them) and become part of our team of members who are contributing to help build our sport. Whatever your skills are, if you can contribute in any way to the development of your concepts, we will all benefit from your efforts and we will all thank you for it. The structure to build upon is in place, and now for the content... Thanks for your input! Ask yourself not "What can the IFPA do for me?", but "What can I do for the IFPA?" Together we make it happen! Best regards, Scott Davidson Education Director, IFPA enlightener@footbag.org From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 10 16:01:13 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAB01DIS025062 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:01:13 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAB01DYX025060 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:01:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from footbag [207.6.116.49] by FootbagCanada.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A5AE70272; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:21:50 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Scott Milne" To: Subject: [footbag] New Footbaggger Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:21:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hello all, Just wanted to pass along that Chard and Kyle just had a healthy baby boy named Benjamin on the 8th. Please send any emails directly to them at chard@FootbagCanada.com Scott From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 10 16:01:27 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAB01RIS025072 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:01:27 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAB01Rt7025070 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:01:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #30560) id <0H5D01F01AY6P2@clem.mscd.edu> for footbag@footbag.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:56:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #30560) with ESMTP id <0H5D01EBPAY6IJ@clem.mscd.edu> for footbag@footbag.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:56:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:55:50 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [footbag] Promotion To: footbag Message-id: <3DCDE438@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org One of the many ideas that I've had and never followed through with is to get permission from one of the video makers (Ellis, Chad, Dan etc...) to take one of their videos and try to get it played on Public access stations. I've found that people love public access and get to watch some amazing shows. If permission were given for all the footbaggers to go out in their areas and try to get a video on public access, there would be a huge rise in popularity and awareness about freestyle footbag. Later, Brad From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 10 19:47:45 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAB3ldYB002714 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:47:39 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAB3ldt9002712 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:47:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from mattl6cueqyx7t ([12.217.243.111]) by sccmmhc01.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021111013506.BHOA23765.sccmmhc01.mchsi.com@mattl6cueqyx7t>; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:35:06 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c28922$913a5dd0$9fe9b00a@mattl6cueqyx7t> From: "Matt Mueller" To: footbag@footbag.org References: <3DCDE438@webmail> Subject: Re: [footbag] Promotion Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:35:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org > permission from one of the video makers (Ellis, Chad, Dan etc...) to take > one of their videos and try to get it played on Public access stations. Non-footbag players may find them to be... boring. Maybe we need a video just for this purpose, or at least more oriented towards it (some more stuff that will apease the general public) Matt From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 10 21:29:07 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAB5T6BF006558 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:29:06 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAB5T6fn006556 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:29:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:50:37 -0800 Received: from 210.55.98.110 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 23:50:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.55.98.110] From: "Simon Hughes" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Promotion Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:50:37 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2002 23:50:37.0829 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8058350:01C28913] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hey Shredders(this post will be mostly on Dan's view) "Personally, i like footbag how it is now. one of the main things that drew me to it in the first place, was the fact that virtually no-one did it." -Dan, it wasn't too long ago you and others were discussing Footbag becoming a Olympic sport, how is ever going to reach that if there is "virtually no-one doing it"? "This underground sport, away from the public eye" -You can still play underground in your cave if you like too, but that is being greedy, why do you get the chance to play and not share it with others? "so acutely artistic that it could bring tears to a grown man's eyes." -Why not try to make it an official sport then and pass the joy round? Dan it is really good to hear what everyone thinks.Your opinion is as good as anyone else's. What's wrong with corporations getting into footbag, then we could play as much of the game as possible and have so much fun all the time if we got paid for it! Simon "tornado" Hughes More players=More events From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 11 21:34:42 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAC5Ygd2032694 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:34:42 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAC5YgFo032692 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:34:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from mattl6cueqyx7t ([12.217.243.111]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021112001723.RNVM12331.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@mattl6cueqyx7t>; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:17:23 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c289e0$e5c07470$9fe9b00a@mattl6cueqyx7t> From: "Matt Mueller" To: References: Subject: Re: [footbag] Promotion Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:17:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org > What's wrong with corporations getting into footbag, then we could play as > much of the game as possible and have so much fun all the time if we got > paid for it! Because we all know - it wouldnt be as fun. No longer would you be able to just go and kick with some of the best players in the world casually. Events would be completely prize-based, not as much circle shredding. These are just my opinions btw > More players=More events =more posers From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 11 21:33:19 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAC5XJd2032679 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:33:19 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAC5XJT2032677 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:33:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from computer (atlanta-ip-6-69.dynamic.ziplink.net [206.15.152.69]) by valinet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA15630 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:45:45 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c28a01$58da5820$45980fce@computer> From: "Daniel Botkin" To: References: <200211112326.gABNQ2u7015933@llic.net> Subject: Re: [footbag] Promotion Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:09:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org > - -You can still play underground in your cave if you like too, but that is being greedy Simon, I think he meant "underground" as in "alternative", different, unique. That's an important piece of what defines footbag for for the vast number of people who've ever played, (though not necessarily most or any of those on this list). I'm 45 and been playing since the mid eighties. Take it from me, it has been an "underground" sport with a life of its own. > - -Why not try to make it an official sport then and pass the joy round? Whether and how to promote footbag are good questions to ask. But, who owns footbag? Who has the rights/responsibilities for the game, and reasonably then for promoting it? Ancient Oriental peoples? Indigenous Americans? Johnny Stalberger? Hippies at a Rainbow Gathering? Contemporary shredders? The enclaves of serious practitioners in Portland, Vancouver and Montreal? The international committee? I say anyone who has ever taken joy in kicking is partner to a piece of its ownership, co-keeper of the game and the sport, part of its legacy. Footbag is unique as a cultural phenomenon, a truly "popular" sport, not simply a set of rules and a leather sack. This is what makes footbag probably beyond corporatization. The sport transcends rules or definitions a competion, committee or company sponsorship might apply. Footbag is unique because it is an improvisational, experiential danceform. It is unique as a sport, but as well because of the proverbial tolerance, friendliness and communion created in the circle. It is more than a sport because of its universality as a cultural equalizer and icebreaker. > What's wrong with corporations getting into footbag? When something is commercialized (given over for sponsorship) you *can* lose some power to own, steer and define it. But then, it is true, the bucks, the media access, the prize money, the visibility all make it possible to attract and reach many more potential players. That's the trade off, perhaps. > why do you get the chance to play and not share it with others? I'm all for sharing the joy. I'm in favor of promoting footbag far and near. I'm in favor of school kids learning circle play and of serious skill development and competition. In thinking about how to "promote footbag", I don't personally believe that sponsorship of events and big media visibility are the only or best ways to define, network and grow our sport in the world. I'd lobby for for a broader, more inclusive vision of footbag and for a grassroots approach to promoting it. Daniel Botkin From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 12 09:53:56 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gACHrudu024382 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:53:56 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gACHru7x024380 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:53:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from [192.168.2.32] ([12.250.228.110]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021110133232.HWUR3205.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@[192.168.2.32]> for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:32:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: scott.davidson1@mail.attbi.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1970 12:38:15 -0600 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: [footbag] Re: Footbag on Fox Network (North America) -- Nov. 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hi Everyone! Sorry for the false alarm about the :30 Seconds to Fame show. Brief explanation: I am on episode 110, they aired #109 on the first week, so I *assumed* that #110 would be the next week. It will be on eventually, and if I hear specifically when it will be on, I'll write to the listserv again. The local FoxNews (Chicago area) that I did that morning turned out great, they did a "15 seconds to fame" knockoff with me, a yo-yo freestyler (who was awesome), a flatland freestyle BMX biker (also awesome) and an illusionist. I almost met Fergie, Dutchess of York (she was running late). It was fun, I made some good contacts as well. For those of you who watched the show, I apologize for my mis-information, but keep watching, it will be on this season. See ya! Scott Davidson enlightener@footbag.org From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 19 23:51:01 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAK7p1fD007573 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:51:01 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAK7p1Ds007571 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:51:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from [207.160.174.20] (HELO fogles.net) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.8) with ESMTP id 3118983 for footbag@footbag.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:46:53 -0600 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 16:56:12 -0600 Subject: Re: [footbag] Promotion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Derrick Fogle To: footbag@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <67D950CA-F81D-11D6-986E-003065BA9A0E@fogles.net> Message-Id: <70197BEA-F8ED-11D6-BB43-003065BA9A0E@fogles.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 06:12 PM, Simon Hughes wrote: > I would like to have a discussion about promoting freestyle footbag > and the ways to go about it. Musings from a confirmed 'footbag-aholic' ... I joined the first 'hacky' circle I ever saw over 21 years ago, spent over 13 years running tournaments and doing footbag promotion, and attended and competed in tournaments for over 16 years. As far as I can tell, the roughly $7,000 (~ $500 per year) I personally spent doing footbag promotion, along with un-countable hours of time, did no more or less 'good' for the sport of footbag than just hacking with others in a circle. I have a huge drawer full of footbag T-shirts from events. Each one represents hundreds, or thousands, of dollars in travel expenses and entry fees. I figure those T-shirts represent about $20,000 I've spent on footbag tournament attendance in my lifetime. It would be impossible to quantify what 'good' my support of those events did for the sport of footbag. At least I have the memories and an endless supply of T-shirts - I wear them all the time, and it will take me a lifetime to wear them all out. The most fruitful footbag promotion I ever did was just being part of a 'hacky circle', part of a social group with a cooperative goal. As far as I know, those friends I coaxed into footbag when I was just starting, are the only ones (out of all the hundreds I exposed to footbag over the years) that still carry and kick footbags today. It was just fun, and it attracted people. Then at some point, when my skill level diverged enough from the average hacky circle play, that magic disappeared too. The single most effective thing I ever did as a club director was to hold CONSISTENT public hacky sessions. Same time, same place, EVERY WEEK, year after year. It took a long time, but that's how my club was built. When I moved, and I was no longer there every week, the club and the kickers disappeared. Today, still an active kicker despite my retirement from competition, the only footbag 'promotion' I currently do is the promotion of footbag as a show to watch. I've always kicked in the highest visibility, highest traffic area I could find. I still do today. Whenever there's a community event, I show up and do my funky-chicken footbag dance stuff. Some of you might be horrified, but I have fun, and people watch. I kick on my local college campus in a really cool, high visibility, high traffic area. My best rallies draw applause from small knots of gawkers. And someone will occasionally stop to kick with me. I put in my tour-of-duty as a footbag "List Parent", too. I think this list is pretty cool. There will be a new community rec center opening up soon, and I'm hoping I can start teaching footbag classes at it, but that remains to be seen whether or not that will happen. So that's what I've done, and what I still do, to promote footbag. There's no *one* way to promote footbag. There's *all* ways to promote footbag. That includes the work put in for the IFPA, tournaments, the apparently directionless enthusiasm of run-of-the-mill hackers, exhibitionists like myself, and everything else in between. My personal experiences have taught me that competition is the *least* effective way to promote footbag, and cooperative hacky circles are the *most* effective, but your mileage may vary. Fact is, *any* involvement in footbag is more effective than no involvement. Everyone has something to contribute to footbag, whether it's running the IFPA or just hacking on the street corner. And... it's been going on for over 30 years now. The idea that we need to start promoting footbag' is crazy! Hundreds of people have already dedicated significant portions of their lives to promoting footbag. It's not something that needs started, it just needs to keep going. But... virtually all promotional efforts over the last 15 years have been focused on the competitive venue. If it doesn't look like it's working, well, I've already come to my conclusion. I'd like to see less "I think we should...", and more "I am doing..." on the subject of promotion. We can *all* start with "I am doing... FOOTBAG!" and go from there. -Derrick "Funky Chicken" Fogle ** I am playing footbag. ** I am playing footbag in front of crowds as a show person to be watched. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 20 12:43:09 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAKKh9KA002319 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:43:09 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAKKh9Ho002317 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:43:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from Tina (cs24243245-224.austin.rr.com [24.243.245.224]) by txsmtp02.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with SMTP id gAKF9FSr014885; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:09:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000f01c290a6$f5e06550$b47ba8c0@Tina> Reply-To: "Tina Lewis" From: "Tina Lewis" To: References: <70197BEA-F8ED-11D6-BB43-003065BA9A0E@fogles.net> Subject: Re: [footbag] Promotion Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:10:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hi all, My experience "promoting" footbag has been totally different but I'll spare everyone the details. Two things in response though: Derrick is absolutely correct about the consistent time and place to kick every week. Sundays 2:30 in Zilker here. Competitions and events draw in lots of players - some stay but most remember the sport. IFPA is much broader than competitions and is another additional way to promote footbag. See www.footbag.org/ifpa (links at bottom to short bylaws and articles). Right now IFPA has to be focused and dedicated to seeing that the World Championships happens every year (and supporting all events of any type). Funds are limited but IFPA is about a lot more than money. One of the main goals of IFPA is education and there are zillions of ways to accomplish that goal. For example, individual members are working on donations of footbags for students to take Footbags to Africa, we are working on getting curriculum together and figuring out ways to support people who want to give to the community through footbag (clinics, demos, kid's programs). Since IFPA is nonprofit we are finding out that some employers will match donations you make to the organization and we can increase the amount of funds available to promote the sport. IFPA non-profit status also gives us credibility with many sports organizations. This will give us even more exposure to kids and athletic programs. We are starting to hear more and more ideas and want to hear more and more! Become a member and get involved. tinalewis@footbag.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrick Fogle" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [footbag] Promotion > On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 06:12 PM, Simon Hughes wrote: > > > I would like to have a discussion about promoting freestyle footbag > > and the ways to go about it. > > Musings from a confirmed 'footbag-aholic' ... I joined the first > 'hacky' circle I ever saw over 21 years ago, spent over 13 years > running tournaments and doing footbag promotion, and attended and > competed in tournaments for over 16 years. > > As far as I can tell, the roughly $7,000 (~ $500 per year) I personally > spent doing footbag promotion, along with un-countable hours of time, > did no more or less 'good' for the sport of footbag than just hacking > with others in a circle. > > I have a huge drawer full of footbag T-shirts from events. Each one > represents hundreds, or thousands, of dollars in travel expenses and > entry fees. I figure those T-shirts represent about $20,000 I've spent > on footbag tournament attendance in my lifetime. It would be impossible > to quantify what 'good' my support of those events did for the sport of > footbag. At least I have the memories and an endless supply of T-shirts > - I wear them all the time, and it will take me a lifetime to wear them > all out. > > The most fruitful footbag promotion I ever did was just being part of a > 'hacky circle', part of a social group with a cooperative goal. As far > as I know, those friends I coaxed into footbag when I was just > starting, are the only ones (out of all the hundreds I exposed to > footbag over the years) that still carry and kick footbags today. It > was just fun, and it attracted people. Then at some point, when my > skill level diverged enough from the average hacky circle play, that > magic disappeared too. > > The single most effective thing I ever did as a club director was to > hold CONSISTENT public hacky sessions. Same time, same place, EVERY > WEEK, year after year. It took a long time, but that's how my club was > built. When I moved, and I was no longer there every week, the club and > the kickers disappeared. > > Today, still an active kicker despite my retirement from competition, > the only footbag 'promotion' I currently do is the promotion of footbag > as a show to watch. I've always kicked in the highest visibility, > highest traffic area I could find. I still do today. Whenever there's a > community event, I show up and do my funky-chicken footbag dance stuff. > Some of you might be horrified, but I have fun, and people watch. I > kick on my local college campus in a really cool, high visibility, high > traffic area. My best rallies draw applause from small knots of > gawkers. And someone will occasionally stop to kick with me. > > I put in my tour-of-duty as a footbag "List Parent", too. I think this > list is pretty cool. > > There will be a new community rec center opening up soon, and I'm > hoping I can start teaching footbag classes at it, but that remains to > be seen whether or not that will happen. > > So that's what I've done, and what I still do, to promote footbag. > > There's no *one* way to promote footbag. There's *all* ways to promote > footbag. That includes the work put in for the IFPA, tournaments, the > apparently directionless enthusiasm of run-of-the-mill hackers, > exhibitionists like myself, and everything else in between. My personal > experiences have taught me that competition is the *least* effective > way to promote footbag, and cooperative hacky circles are the *most* > effective, but your mileage may vary. Fact is, *any* involvement in > footbag is more effective than no involvement. Everyone has something > to contribute to footbag, whether it's running the IFPA or just hacking > on the street corner. > > And... it's been going on for over 30 years now. The idea that we need > to start promoting footbag' is crazy! Hundreds of people have already > dedicated significant portions of their lives to promoting footbag. > It's not something that needs started, it just needs to keep going. > But... virtually all promotional efforts over the last 15 years have > been focused on the competitive venue. If it doesn't look like it's > working, well, I've already come to my conclusion. > > I'd like to see less "I think we should...", and more "I am doing..." > on the subject of promotion. We can *all* start with "I am doing... > FOOTBAG!" and go from there. > > -Derrick "Funky Chicken" Fogle > > ** I am playing footbag. > ** I am playing footbag in front of crowds as a show person to be > watched. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 23 16:02:53 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAO02rvK011163 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:02:53 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAO02rv6011161 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:02:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:45:11 -0800 Received: from 210.164.1.71 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:45:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.164.1.71] Reply-To: KenSomolinos@footbag.org From: "Ken Somolinos" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] New Zealand trip Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:45:11 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2002 07:45:11.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[9709D050:01C28F9F] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hi Kiwis, I`ll be in Auckland from the 4th of January through the 12th or so. I`d really love to play with some of y`all, and it would also be cool to get some insider tips as to what are cool places to visit. Also, if anybody has any tips on cheap housing, or a place where I could crash for a few nights, that would be absolutely incredible. Please e-mail me privately. With any luck, maybe we can organize a big jam one day, an excuse for people outside Auckland to come up and shred together. Hope to see some of you in January. Cheers, Ken Somolinos PS-are 2002 Worlds vids up anywhere anymore? [**Moderator's note: Ken has tried several avenues to contact the Kiwis privately, but got no response. Please don't post messages to the list looking for people in a specific area unless you have *tried* to contact people there privately *first*. If you get no response, only then you may post to the list. In your message, please state that you have tried and are using the list as a last resort. Also, if anyone has an answer to the Worlds 2002 video question, please post with a new subject line indicative of the topic. -Thanks] From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 25 10:21:24 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAPILOQP031244 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:21:24 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAPILOb8031242 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:21:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:59:20 -0800 Received: from 65.95.45.64 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:59:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.95.45.64] Reply-To: yax@footbag.org From: "Yacine Merzouk" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Visa for travelling to the Czech Republic Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:59:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2002 17:59:20.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[61598E20:01C294AC] Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Hi everybody! The announcement for the World Championships has just been made. Great news! I wanted to let everybody know that the Czech Republic requires citizens from some countries - Canada is one of them - to have a visa to enter the country. Make sure you contact the nearest Czech embassy before making travel plans. United States citizens do NOT require a visa for the Czech Republic. -Yacine Merzouk yax@footbag.org Shred! PS: Here's some info for Canadian citizens: The visa requires about 1 month to be delivered to you. Your passport has to be valid for 1 year after your travel dates. It costs 77$CAN if you just enter and leave the Czech Republic once. If you want to travel in and out of the country to visit Europe, you need a 170$ visa - plus whatever visa for other countries you want to visit. Czech out the Czech embassy nearest you. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 25 16:26:32 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAQ0QWVA015895 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:26:32 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAQ0QWLK015893 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:26:32 -0800 Message-Id: <200211260026.gAQ0QWLK015893@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from [12.228.92.36] by web12806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:25:53 PST Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:25:53 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Baker Subject: [footbag] Video from Seattle Fest! To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org YO YO YO, I am wondering if there is anyone who attended the Seattle Juggling and Footbag Festival have a video of the public show that happened on Saturday night. I would be happy to pay for the shipping. Also I am still looking for Alex Zerbe's semifinals routine from worlds on tape. If you have this please hook it up. Thank you, Matt Baker From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 25 16:35:38 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAQ0ZcVA016289 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:35:38 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAQ0ZcY4016287 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:35:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from PsyKick77@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.d3.156fe8d0 (14374) for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:45:49 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Windsor Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:45:49 EST Subject: [footbag] Freestyle beginnings To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10622 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hello list. This whole thread about shred 30 formulas(on the freestyle list) made me think of a question. This is for people back from the old school? When did footbag first become delineated into different sports such as freestyle and net. When did the sport change from just simply being called footbag? Was consecutive and net the first two main sports and freestyle not thought of yet?? Did consecutives evolve into freestyle? Also, when was the first competition with freestyle as an official event? What was the first tournament to have freestyle as an event? Was it doubles, singles, or team? Who won? What year did the words footbag-freestyle become commonplace in the footbag community? When was the first official shred competition??? The first one i ever saw was a 45 second shred at the heart of freestyle in 97 (i miss that tourney). Just curious. Windsor. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 25 19:16:13 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAQ3GDB4024804 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:16:13 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAQ3GD24024802 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:16:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 24378 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2002 02:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (63.231.195.2) by mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 26 Nov 2002 02:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jim) (12.242.158.18) by mpls-pop-02.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 26 Nov 2002 02:39:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:45:17 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Jim Cobb" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: RE: [footbag] Freestyle beginnings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hi all, I don't post much any more but I couldn't resist here, and I'd like to tie into the ongoing threads on "promoting" footbag. I am a net player for those of you who don't know me. I can't speak to the "actual" evolution of footbag "events", but can give some of my own experience(s). I circle hacked in the sheep meadow in New York's Central Park in the early and mid 80's. We would kick for hours in that sublime spot in the midst of the Metropolis. Over time some people just started "freestyling". Others of us started running around the meadow jumping and kicking and moving toward a bigger game. Some say tomato some say tomato. In 1986 I came to Seattle and ran into Mark Daniels and Rick Bates playing net at Greenlake. That's how I found the game. Thanks Mark! Thanks Rick! In the past year I found some folks playing "net" outside a warehouse in the industrial district near my home. Knees, multi-hits, heads... They had "invented" net. What makes the game(to me) is the evolution we are part of. Early evolution makes larger(relative) leaps than later evolution, and I am just sooo pleased to be a part of something like that. Moral of the story? I don't know; I guess its something like we get to make it the first...shred, circle, joust.... every time we go out to play. Its a good thing. :-) Evolve the sport- however you think is best, Jim Cobb Seattle Washington, USA -----Original Message----- From: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org [mailto:owner-footbag@list.footbag.org]On Behalf Of Eric Windsor Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 9:46 AM To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Freestyle beginnings Hello list. This whole thread about shred 30 formulas(on the freestyle list) made me think of a question. This is for people back from the old school? When did footbag first become delineated into different sports such as freestyle and net. When did the sport change from just simply being called footbag? Was consecutive and net the first two main sports and freestyle not thought of yet?? Did connectives evolve into freestyle? Also, when was the first competition with freestyle as an official event? What was the first tournament to have freestyle as an event? Was it doubles, singles, or team? Who won? What year did the words footbag-freestyle become commonplace in the footbag community? When was the first official shred competition??? The first one i ever saw was a 45 second shred at the heart of freestyle in 97 (i miss that tourney). Just curious. Windsor. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 25 19:34:03 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAQ3Y2B4025825 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:34:02 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAQ3Y2ft025823 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:34:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:21:47 -0800 Received: from 68.50.174.234 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 03:21:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.50.174.234] From: "Pete Irish" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: RE: [footbag] Freestyle beginnings Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:21:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2002 03:21:47.0279 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3CC69F0:01C294FA] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org To answer some of Mr. Windsor's questions: Consecutives and net could be said to be the first 2 "sports" in footbag. Incidentally, net was originally played over an 8' high net. I, for one, think they should seriously consider bringing back that rule, especially since most net players can spike in the 8' range now. The first appearance of "freestyle" in the footbag community was indeed in reference to consecutives. Early consecutives competitions were known as freestyle. There was a very early "judging" system, based on the form with which you executed basic kicks. The specifics of this original system are shrouded in the mists of history, but I am still investigating. The first event to include a category of freestyle as actual Freestyle, i.e. people executing tricks with a footbag in a routine, was the 1982 National Championships, run by NHSA (National Hacky Sack Association). The competition allowed entrance of from one to four people in a team. The winners of the first freestyle tournament were our friends from the WFA Bruce Geuittich and Greg Cortopassi. The next year (1983) TWO national championships were held, the first being run by the NHSA and the second, a few weeks later, held by the newly formed WFA. The 1983 WFA Nationals was the first tournament to hold a separate singles freestyle division. The winner, and first singles freestyle champion, was none other than the legendary Jack Schoolcraft. Incidentally, Kenny Shults did not compete in the first singles event. He was forced to drop out at the last minute due to the fact that it was held moments after a particularly brutal epic net match and he was exhausted. He did, however, at the previous NHSA Nationals a few weeks prior, place first in a tie with the team of Gary Lautt, Jim Caveny, and Mag Hughes, leaving scholars and historians forever contemplating the outcome of the first singles event had he taken part. As for the first shred event, I'll have to check the facts, but it may have actually been 1997 Heart of Freestyle in Portland. I am writing a book (very slowly) on the entire history of freestyle which should be out sometime within the coming decade. Until then, Mr. Kenny Shults, the ultimate authority on these subjects, can undoubtedly clear up any other questions or facts. Peter Irish >From: Eric Windsor >To: footbag@footbag.org >Subject: [footbag] Freestyle beginnings >Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:45:49 EST > >Hello list. > >This whole thread about shred 30 formulas(on the freestyle list) made me >think of a question. This is for people back from the old school? > >When did footbag first become delineated into different sports such as >freestyle and net. When did the sport change from just simply being called >footbag? Was consecutive and net the first two main sports and freestyle >not thought of yet?? Did consecutives evolve into freestyle? > >Also, when was the first competition with freestyle as an official event? >What was the first tournament to have freestyle as an event? Was it >doubles, >singles, or team? Who won? What year did the words footbag-freestyle >become >commonplace in the footbag community? > >When was the first official shred competition??? The first one i ever saw >was a 45 second shred at the heart of freestyle in 97 (i miss that >tourney). > > >Just curious. > >Windsor. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 26 16:23:04 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAR0N3Zq010395 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:23:03 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAR0N3Qr010393 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:23:03 -0800 Message-Id: <200211270023.gAR0N3Qr010393@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from [64.171.4.147] by web40606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 06:40:08 PST Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 06:40:08 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Caveney Reply-To: jimmyc@footbag.org Subject: RE: [footbag] Freestyle beginnings To: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org What Peter says is true! Though I rarely post to the list, I can add a little here. I treasure my first experience at a footbag competition. It was in the event known, at the time, as freestyle. The reason I placed third in the event was solely due to the fact that I kicked the third most consective kicks (106?) in my division (beginners). That was at the Spring Tournament directly following the famous Hacky Sack Training Camp of April 1981. At the 1982 Championships Bruce and Greg came storming out onto the field to wow the judges with some tricks, choreography and a little extra razzle-dazzle. :-) One correction for the 1983 NHSA Nationals... Kenny tied with the team of Gary Lautt, Jim Caveney, Mag Hughes AND Greg Cortopassi (aka 18-wheelers). Fond memories, :-) JimmyC Disclaimer: my facts too may have been warped a bit over time --- Pete Irish wrote: > To answer some of Mr. Windsor's questions: > > Consecutives and net could be said to be the first 2 "sports" in footbag. > Incidentally, net was originally played over an 8' high net. I, for one, > think they should seriously consider bringing back that rule, especially > since most net players can spike in the 8' range now. > > The first appearance of "freestyle" in the footbag community was indeed in > reference to consecutives. Early consecutives competitions were known as > freestyle. There was a very early "judging" system, based on the form with > which you executed basic kicks. The specifics of this original system are > shrouded in the mists of history, but I am still investigating. > > The first event to include a category of freestyle as actual Freestyle, i.e. people > executing tricks with a footbag in a routine, was the 1982 National > Championships, run by NHSA (National Hacky Sack Association). The > competition allowed entrance of from one to four people in a team. The > winners of the first freestyle tournament were our friends from the WFA > Bruce Geuittich and Greg Cortopassi. > > The next year (1983) TWO national championships were held, the first being > run by the NHSA and the second, a few weeks later, held by the newly formed > WFA. The 1983 WFA Nationals was the first tournament to hold a separate > singles freestyle division. The winner, and first singles freestyle champion, was none other > than the legendary Jack Schoolcraft. > > Incidentally, Kenny Shults did not compete in the first singles event. He was forced to drop out > at the last minute due to the fact that it was held moments after a particularly brutal epic net > match and he was exhausted. He did, however, at the previous NHSA Nationals a few weeks prior, > place first in a tie with the team of Gary Lautt, Jim Caveny, and Mag Hughes, leaving scholars > and > historians forever contemplating the outcome of the first singles event had > he taken part. > > As for the first shred event, I'll have to check the facts, but it may have > actually been 1997 Heart of Freestyle in Portland. > > I am writing a book (very slowly) on the entire history of freestyle which > should be out sometime within the coming decade. > Until then, Mr. Kenny Shults, the ultimate authority on these subjects, can > undoubtedly clear up any other questions or facts. > > Peter Irish > > > >From: Eric Windsor > >To: footbag@footbag.org > >Subject: [footbag] Freestyle beginnings > >Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:45:49 EST > > > >Hello list. > > > >This whole thread about shred 30 formulas(on the freestyle list) made me > >think of a question. This is for people back from the old school? > > > >When did footbag first become delineated into different sports such as > >freestyle and net. When did the sport change from just simply being called > >footbag? Was consecutive and net the first two main sports and freestyle > >not thought of yet?? Did consecutives evolve into freestyle? > > > >Also, when was the first competition with freestyle as an official event? > >What was the first tournament to have freestyle as an event? Was it > >doubles, > >singles, or team? Who won? What year did the words footbag-freestyle > >become > >commonplace in the footbag community? > > > >When was the first official shred competition??? The first one i ever saw > >was a 45 second shred at the heart of freestyle in 97 (i miss that > >tourney). > > > > > >Just curious. > > > >Windsor. > From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 26 16:24:42 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAR0OfZq010447 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:24:41 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAR0OfxN010445 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:24:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from DLW2000-OG (216-240-52-68.ip.idiom.com [216.240.52.68]) by idiom.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAQIYQRN080284 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:34:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from edwin@footbag.org) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20021126101935.00b08d28@pop.business.earthlink.net> X-Sender: edwin%dlworkshop.net@pop.business.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:34:44 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Edwin Veltman Subject: [footbag] Net beginnings In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org When and how were the dimensions of the current net court decided upon? I wonder if there was a lot that went into the decision - or did someone just say "Let's set it up exactly like a badminton court, and we can revisit it later." I personally like the current configuration, but it's the one that I've always played on. How do other net players feel about net height? Advanced players might like a higher net, but this may discourage the newer players. -Edwin From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 27 13:59:41 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gARLxfLh028083 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:59:41 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gARLxfaD028081 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 13:59:41 -0800 Message-Id: <200211272159.gARLxfaD028081@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from [143.220.251.2] by web11505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:39:55 PST Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 07:39:55 -0800 (PST) From: "R. Vincent Bradley" Reply-To: procrastan8r@footbag.org Subject: RE: [footbag] Freestyle beginnings To: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <200211270023.gAR0N3Qr010393@llic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org One minor correction to Petes historical accounting, I think shred was invented by Joe Solonoski in 1995, or 1994. Might have been as early as 1993. I might have it on vhs. It was different than the current popular versions of shred in that it was mroe wide open- i think the stipulation was that you couldn't hit the same move more than five times, and you got 3 drops within a 45 second time span. Score was total raw adds. I think it was invented with the Iron Man and Service Poaching events. Thanks for the history lessons, they are awesome to read. L8r- Vince --- Jim Caveney wrote: > What Peter says is true! > Though I rarely post to the list, I can add a little > here. > I treasure my first experience at a footbag > competition. It was in the event known, at the > time, > as freestyle. The reason I placed third in the > event was solely due to the fact that I kicked the > third most consective kicks (106?) in my division > (beginners). That was at the Spring Tournament > directly following the famous Hacky Sack Training > Camp of April 1981. > > At the 1982 Championships Bruce and Greg came > storming out onto the field to wow the judges with > some tricks, choreography and a little extra > razzle-dazzle. :-) > > One correction for the 1983 NHSA Nationals... Kenny > tied with the team of Gary Lautt, Jim Caveney, > Mag Hughes AND Greg Cortopassi (aka 18-wheelers). > > Fond memories, :-) > JimmyC > Disclaimer: my facts too may have been warped a bit > over time > > --- Pete Irish wrote: > > To answer some of Mr. Windsor's questions: > > > > Consecutives and net could be said to be the first > 2 "sports" in footbag. > > Incidentally, net was originally played over an 8' > high net. I, for one, > > think they should seriously consider bringing back > that rule, especially > > since most net players can spike in the 8' range > now. > > > > The first appearance of "freestyle" in the footbag > community was indeed in > > reference to consecutives. Early consecutives > competitions were known as > > freestyle. There was a very early "judging" > system, based on the form with > > which you executed basic kicks. The specifics of > this original system are > > shrouded in the mists of history, but I am still > investigating. > > > > The first event to include a category of freestyle > as actual Freestyle, i.e. people > > executing tricks with a footbag in a routine, was > the 1982 National > > Championships, run by NHSA (National Hacky Sack > Association). The > > competition allowed entrance of from one to four > people in a team. The > > winners of the first freestyle tournament were our > friends from the WFA > > Bruce Geuittich and Greg Cortopassi. > > > > The next year (1983) TWO national championships > were held, the first being > > run by the NHSA and the second, a few weeks later, > held by the newly formed > > WFA. The 1983 WFA Nationals was the first > tournament to hold a separate > > singles freestyle division. The winner, and first > singles freestyle champion, was none other > > than the legendary Jack Schoolcraft. > > > > Incidentally, Kenny Shults did not compete in the > first singles event. He was forced to drop out > > at the last minute due to the fact that it was > held moments after a particularly brutal epic net > > match and he was exhausted. He did, however, at > the previous NHSA Nationals a few weeks prior, > > place first in a tie with the team of Gary Lautt, > Jim Caveny, and Mag Hughes, leaving scholars > > and > > historians forever contemplating the outcome of > the first singles event had > > he taken part. > > > > As for the first shred event, I'll have to check > the facts, but it may have > > actually been 1997 Heart of Freestyle in Portland. > > > > I am writing a book (very slowly) on the entire > history of freestyle which > > should be out sometime within the coming decade. > > Until then, Mr. Kenny Shults, the ultimate > authority on these subjects, can > > undoubtedly clear up any other questions or facts. > > > > Peter Irish > > > > > > >From: Eric Windsor > > >To: footbag@footbag.org > > >Subject: [footbag] Freestyle beginnings > > >Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:45:49 EST > > > > > >Hello list. > > > > > >This whole thread about shred 30 formulas(on the > freestyle list) made me > > >think of a question. This is for people back > from the old school? > > > > > >When did footbag first become delineated into > different sports such as > > >freestyle and net. When did the sport change from > just simply being called > > >footbag? Was consecutive and net the first two > main sports and freestyle > > >not thought of yet?? Did consecutives evolve > into freestyle? > > > > > >Also, when was the first competition with > freestyle as an official event? > > >What was the first tournament to have freestyle > as an event? Was it > > >doubles, > > >singles, or team? Who won? What year did the > words footbag-freestyle > > >become > > >commonplace in the footbag community? > > > > > >When was the first official shred competition??? > The first one i ever saw > > >was a 45 second shred at the heart of freestyle > in 97 (i miss that > > >tourney). > > > > > > > > >Just curious. > > > > > >Windsor. > > From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 27 14:40:12 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gARMeCLh030101 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:40:12 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gARMeCrD030099 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:40:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from Thehuff1@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.68.29495418 (17079); Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:33:56 -0500 (EST) From: Ted Huff Message-ID: <68.29495418.2b1631d4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:33:56 EST Subject: Re: [footbag] Net beginnings To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org That's an easy question for an ol' hacky slacker to answer. When we had our first gym for workin' out, founding of National Hacky Sack Association, in Oregon City , Oregon in 1977, we found that the school gym had Volleyball net set up. Since we were trying to get people to kick the footbag up, not out, we thought we'd try to kick over the 8 foot high net. We did that until 1979 !, and used the taped dimensions for the Volleyball court, as then we didn't have to spend money on new tape , etc. So, originally it was a court that was 22' wide by 44 long. We also had 5 kicks to get the bag over the net, including the knee/thigh kick, but not more than 2 in a row by 1 player in doubles ( or team ! ) 3 kicks in singles. Then we experimented with net height, from tennis court , which made it too fast, except that Johnny Stalberger liked it that way, as he whipped up on everybody then. Finally, we settled on the badminton net, and height of 5 feet, as more could play.........from all age groups. This is what we had it to for tournaments by 1981, but spiking wasn't hardly thought of. Finally, we had seen enough of Kenny Shults thigh trap ( block ) to set himself up for a dink over the net, ( or other tasty placements) so by 1984 the 3 kicks in singles was down to 2 kicks, and no knees for Ultra versus Advanced Net play, and doubles went down to 3 kicks for same reason. This became the rules for Open competition. That's right , that dang kid, Kenny Shults, that we mutually discovered in August 1979 at age of 12, changed both net play and freestyle forever !! The last change was to a 20 foot wide court, as now the footbag net players established that this was their game, and didn't need someone else's dimensions for a court. And, better playing bags, mainly courtesy of Flying Clipper experimentation. Net's for footbag specifically courtesy of Jimmy "C" Caveney. But, if you ever want to play "old school " rules, check out coming to The Beaver Open over Labor Day weekend in Oregon. Draw partners for fun, and you can use the knee, and up to 5 kicks in doubles ! And, you can play Glow Footbag Net, besides Glow Golf every night of the long weekend holiday ! ( contact information is on the web ) 22 years running stronger than ever as a gathering of friends of the game. Hope that answers all your net questions. Best regards, Ted Huff, co-director Footbag Hall of Fame Historical Society From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 28 23:31:16 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAT7VGuD000770 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:31:16 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAT7VGEj000768 for footbag-outgoing2@list.footbag.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:31:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@list.footbag.org using -f Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.119.1b64336e (25711) for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:58:00 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Cross Message-ID: <119.1b64336e.2b1869f8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:58:00 EST Subject: [footbag] over 21? Cheap room for US champs To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Hey all, Some friends and I are going to US Championships in Chicago next month, and we need someone over the age 21 to sign for and share a double room with 3 other people (Stuffed, I know...). The cost of the room to everyone will be ***+/-$17 dollars a night***. Please respond directly. Matthew Cross Rochester footbag association Rochester, NY