From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Oct 14 22:12:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA09591 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 22:07:16 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA09558 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 22:05:09 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:07:50 -0700 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: [footbag] Footbag Event This Weekend (10/19-10/20, Austin, TX) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org The following event is happening this weekend (from Footbag WorldWide. For more information, see : ------ The 1996 TEXAS STATE FOOTBAG CHAMPIONSHIPS: October 19-20, 1996 In Austin, Texas, hosted by the Austin Style Footbag Club. E-mail: tinalewis@aol.com, or call Tina Lewis at 512-371-1962. ------ From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Oct 14 23:20:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA09916 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:19:35 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA09877 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:14:52 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:49:33 -0700 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] Re: No pain, no gain [was Re: cross-training?] Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Okay, this makes more sense & perhaps I didn't get the meaning the first time ... and maybe we footbaggers sometimes "brag" a bit about injuries or suffering the soreness that comes after a really good day of kicking. > It's also the case that learning a new move often involves risking pulling > muscles, etc. This sport (freestyle) is a very muscle-bound sport. You > just can't do certain moves (even the simplest ones such as toe stalls) > without training the muscles required to do it. A lot of the time, you > don't realize that you have an underdeveloped muscle (however small) for a > particular move; you try it and WHAM you pull that little thing. Was surprised to discover that net kicking muscles don't cover all the muscles needed to freestyle! Legs get very shaky very quickly! > the *next* level. Then it starts all over again. (What's so appealing > about freestyle footbag is that there's always another level. Nobody has > found bounds to this sport yet. Thankfully.) Hear - hear! Wahoo! > net (which I seem to love to do these days). But hey, if you're gonna > mothball those babies, perhaps you'd consider selling them at a discount to > an old friend? Do you happen to wear size 8? I'll give you $20 for 'em if > you promise to stick to net. :-) If they were and I was...then of course! :-) But hey - I may be indignant but I'm not crazy! I will be keeping & kicking with the Lavers ...getting the magic shoes to teach my feet stuff! And boy are they comfy! Would like to buy several pairs all at once! :-) Breaking & Blocking! juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Oct 15 00:16:04 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA10174 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:16:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA10125 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:13:48 GMT Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 17:15:22 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sorenson To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: shoes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, oMEn wrote: > how about `Converse' shoes....these have nice flat sides, made of soft > flexible material *and* they've got a modifiable toe box! > > they come in some cool colors too :) > > > damianco@chcsn1.ait.ac.nz > > \O > |\ A.F.F.C. Co-President > / \_o > \ ` > ' > I agree with this one...I haven't gotten around to purchasing Lavers yet, and I've been using cons with the Laver modified toe box. THey have a nice long toe and very wide flat sides. The only thing I don't like about them is the way after a little while of playing the canvas tongue has a tendency to bunch up on you. ALso, it has a flat insole, so if you need that extra arch support, you are in for a bum ride. (well, not totally flat, but far flatter than any other shoe..) But the best thing about em is that they are cheap...24 bucks or so new most places, and if you have a converse outlet, the high-tops are 14 bucks. Dave From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Oct 15 01:48:23 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA10907 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 01:48:16 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA10784 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 01:40:58 GMT To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 19:52:34 PST Subject: [footbag] Re: shoes Message-ID: <19961014.195249.3302.2.dervish@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-17 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >>| of course the Rod Lavers. I cant seem to find these anywhere all >>other shoe >>| suggestions will be appreciated greatly thanks for your time. > >how about `Converse' shoes....these have nice flat sides, made of soft >flexible material *and* they've got a modifiable toe box! >they come in some cool colors too :) > > Well, the primary problems I've had with converse are support. The canvas and the toe box *are* very cool, but it's the thin soles and lack of arches which used to kill my feet after an hour of play. My feet were so sore, it was nearly impossible to walk home in them. Lavers Rule! JPers From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Oct 15 19:07:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA13602 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:06:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA13564 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 19:04:09 GMT From: elklein@sas.upenn.edu (Ethan L Klein) Posted-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199610151905.PAA01557@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> Subject: [footbag] cross-training To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:05:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Footbaggers and general fun seekers,life enjoyers ON the subject of alternate sports that can work to improve one's footbag prowess, I have always felt that there existed a fundemental connection between footbag and other individual, non-competitive, freestyle-based sports such as mogul skiing, surfing, skateboarding, even mountain biking. Often I am overcome with the familiarity between the rythme of a footbag juggle and the similar rythme of cruising down a nice zipper line in the bumbs. I'm sure that having a strong base in freestyle skiing has aided my development as a freestyler. Just wanted to throw my thoughts in, Ethan By the way, Sunday in DC was *AWESOME* After trying a voodoo (front-side paradox, backside symposium blur) and missing horribly, saw Tuan hit pogo voodoo (7 adds) RIGHT IN MY FACE!!!! Later, Ethan From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Oct 15 20:48:21 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA14060 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 20:48:08 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA14016 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 20:41:07 GMT X-Sender: copyset@interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:43:34 -0500 To: David Sorenson , footbag@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: shoes Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi David! I heard that they redesigned the converse all stars. Buy em up while you can. The new ones suck for footbag. See ya! Scott. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Oct 16 17:53:43 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA17241 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 17:51:54 GMT Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:52:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961014123146.215f1862@popalex1.linknet.net> X-Sender: ratcliff@popalex1.linknet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org From: Wes Ratcliff Subject: [footbag] Re: shoes Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org The Airwalks are the awesomest! They are light, and just look plain smooth. They gots a cool page too ---> http://www.airwalk.com P.S. If ya have anything less than a 28.8, prepare to wait. :) The WesHacker email:ratcliff@linknet.net or ray.ratcliff@clickers.org From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Oct 16 21:10:47 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA17874 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 21:10:09 GMT To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: I need lavers Message-ID: <19961015.213011.3398.0.Nathan6@juno.com> References: <199610061851.OAA34190@dept.english.upenn.edu> X-Mailer: Juno 1.14 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5 From: nathan6@juno.com (Nathan J Anderson) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 00:01:17 EDT Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I was just looking around and found some at Oshman's Super Sports store. I got mine on sale for $40.00, too. I live in Houston, so maybe there is one near where you live. Good luck, Nathan From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 17 17:50:20 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00886 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:48:01 GMT Date: Thu, 17 Oct 96 09:37:02 PDT From: stoler@tds.com (Mike Stoler) Message-Id: <9610171637.AA04625@hazel> Received: by sparky.la.tds.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10166; Thu, 17 Oct 96 09:37:14 PDT To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Most points in a net game, and other matters... Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org "Game to 15, win by 2" Net games that get past 14-14 are the best games to play in, the best games to watch. What's the most points you've seen in a net game? What's the longest net finals you've seen? On a recent trip to SF, I played in a 21-19 decision. Edwin was there, John ? was there, and Kern was there. Jeez, for the life of me, I can't remember who was my partner (Kern?), but I remember we were victorious and that we were down one during most of the points beyond 15 before we managed to power ahead and win. It was the last game on a day that had many games. It was cold and we were tired and we wanted this thing to end one way or another. The game seemed to go on forever. It was great. Let's hear some stories of some long net games. .. Before I discovered serious footbag, I enjoyed watching beach volleyball. You know the game, it's just like net only you can use your hands and the court and ball are bigger. :-) Now I hate the game because they've changed some very important rules to accomdate LIVE TV coverage. In exchange the coverage, the tournament had to guarantee that the finals would run on Sunday from 2:00 PM to 3:00. This is because the 6:00 PM evening news gets ratings better than a tiny sport like beach volleyball, and 3:00 PM on the west coast is 6:00 on the east. To do this, the AVP (Association of Volleyball Professionals) had to change several things: - They introduced a play clock. The "play clock" that is initially set to 9:00 and only counts down when the ball is in play. Service starts the play. It's still game to 15, win by 2, but if the play clock runs out, then whoever's ahead wins. If the game is tied, it's sudden death, next point wins. They get 30 seconds on the clock 3 times, side-changing in between times. If, after this, nodody has scored a point, then it's super-sudden-death (!), and the next sideout wins (!!). That'll teach them to have close games that last a long time! I especially hate the play clock because it only affects the best games. The games where the clock doesn't come into play are the blowout games, and who cares about them? The games where it ends the game prematurely, those were good ones cut short. Bogus. - "Double eliminiation tournament, sorta" The tournament runs double eliminiation, until the finals. If the loser's bracket winner beats the winner's bracket winner in the finals, then they win the tournament without having to win in a double-final game. The winner's bracket winner has lost the tournament with only one loss to show for it. - More tournament play on Friday, less on Saturday and Sunday. This is more subtle. The tournaments use to run pretty loose, kind of like a footbag tournament. They'd call out games as soon as they were ready and run the brackets down to a particular point on each day, but the end time wasn't clear and each game didn't have a precise time slot. That's not good enough for live coverage. Now they play more games on Friday and fewer on Saturday and Sunday, ending each day way before 4:00. Great for TV, but not for people that go there to watch the tournament. There's a lot less action on Saturday, which used to be my favorite day. One time told this to Alan Peterson and asked him what he would say to changing footbag net rules for live coverage. (Like it's going to happen any day now :-). He said that it was quite a dilemma. .. What would you say if you were a small time tournament promoter and needed sponsorship and the only sponsor you could find was someone you didn't really like. Like maybe a cigarette company. "Wecome to the Marlboro World Footbag Championships." Good idea or bad idea? .. Just stirrin' the pot a little. -Rex From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 17 19:54:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01352 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 19:54:16 GMT From: jcurtis@hpmfas4.cup.hp.com (Jim Curtis) Message-Id: <9610171245.ZM24297@hpgsyc61.cup.hp.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:45:02 -0700 In-Reply-To: stoler@tds.com (Mike Stoler) "[footbag] Most points in a net game, and other matters..." (Oct 17, 9:37am) References: <9610171637.AA04625@hazel> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Most points in a net game, and other matters... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Oct 17, 9:37am, Mike Stoler wrote: > Subject: [footbag] Most points in a net game, and other matters... > "Game to 15, win by 2" > > Net games that get past 14-14 are the best games to play in, the best > games to watch. > > What's the most points you've seen in a net game? What's the longest > net finals you've seen? > > Let's hear some stories of some long net games. > We'll Julie and I had a 21-19 game last winter here at work and it started getting dark. Can't remember who won it (probably her) but it doesn't really matter in that type of situation. What is really cool is how you feel afterwards. The focus is so intense. It is definitely a high that is better than any drug could give you. But there is a difference between high scoring games and long ones where every point seems to take 10 minutes. The longest match I witnessed happened at the 95' Western Regionals. It was a 3 game finals match between Lisa and Julie that went 1 and 1/2 hours. Wow! Women are obviously far superior when it comes to endurance. Kenny himself was watching the U.S. Open Womens final this year and remarked to me that he didn't think he would have the endurance to last in many of these epic women's matches. Jim Curtis Sunnyvale, CA From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 17 20:51:30 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01607 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 20:51:23 GMT X-Sender: copyset@interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:27:06 -0500 To: jcurtis@hpmfas4.cup.hp.com (Jim Curtis) From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [footbag] Most points in a net game, and other matters... Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Net people! >> Net games that get past 14-14 are the best games to play in, the best >> games to watch. Ya, but have you seen me play net? I may very well have the record for the least number of points scored at worlds. Usually 11-0, 11-0. I am certain that for the 10 years that I played net at worlds, that I never won a game (thats right, not match, game) until the first year in SanFrancisco. I won a game and retired from net. Not very exciting to watch, unless you are into comedy. See ya! (Bust out those Lavers!) Scott Davidson From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Oct 18 06:06:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA03903 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 06:06:10 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 13:45:45 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199610180045.NAA15984@ihug.co.nz> X-Sender: the_sock@ihug.co.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org From: The Sock Subject: Re: [footbag] Most points in a net game, and other matters... Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >Ya, but have you seen me play net? I may very well have the record for the >least number of points scored at worlds. Usually 11-0, 11-0. I am certain >that for the 10 years that I played net at worlds, that I never won a game >(thats right, not match, game) until the first year in SanFrancisco. I won >a game and retired from net. That reminds me... next year I'll be going to the Worlds... do people ever just go along and compete at Net for the first time? the only practice I have had is kicking a freestyle bag over a tennis net :) But I'd be keep on getting my arse whipped infront of a large crowd of ppl too! ____ _ _ ____ _ / ___|| |__ _ __ ___ __| | ___ _ __ | _ \(_) ___ From Adrian Dick \___ \| '_ \| '__/ _ \/ _` | / _ \| '__| | | | | |/ _ \the_sock@ihug.co.nz ___) | | | | | | __/ (_| | | (_) | | | |_| | | __/ CoSultan of the |____/|_| |_|_| \___|\__,_| \___/|_| |____/|_|\___| AFFC From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Oct 18 15:45:35 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA05358 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:44:30 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 15:44:30 GMT Message-Id: <199610181544.PAA05358@eniac.yak.net.taz> From: Jim Caveney Received: (from footbag@localhost) by capt.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA12990; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 05:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 05:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610181242.FAA12990@capt.hooked.net> To: footbag@footbag.org Cc: footbag@hooked.net Subject: Re: Re: [footbag] Most points in a net game, and other matters... Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Speaking of epic battles.... If ever a historian were to document the epic battles through the years, one such battle in Portland at the 1988 (?) U.S. Open would be an absolute must. It was one in a series that spanned about three years between The Establishment (Kenny Shults and Mag Hughes) vs The Rebels (Ken "Hammer" Hamric and Chris "Gator" Routh). This finals match was forced into dusk and was perhaps one of the best earliest matches featuring long rallies that included spikes, digs and blocks. One play which sticks out had a long rally that ended when Kenny blocked one of Hammer's spikes ..... on match point. >On Oct 17, 9:37am, Mike Stoler wrote: >> Subject: [footbag] Most points in a net game, and other matters... >> "Game to 15, win by 2" >On Oct 17, 12:45pm, Jim Curtis wrote: >But there is a difference between high scoring games and long ones >where every point seems to take 10 minutes. The longest match I >witnessed happened at the 95' Western Regionals. It was a 3 game >finals match between Lisa and Julie that went 1 and 1/2 hours. Crash a Net! JimmyC Mt. View, California From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Oct 18 16:01:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA05491 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:01:51 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 08:53:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199610181553.IAA22515@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: holyx@ix.netcom.com (Paul D Vorvick) Subject: [footbag] Crap of the Net Crop To: freestyle@footbag.org To: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Scott Davidson wrote: >Ya, but have you seen me play net? I may very well have the record >for the least number of points scored at worlds. Hi Scott, et al: Obviously, Scott, you are subtly throwing down the guantlet and laying claim to the title of Worst Net Player in History - a title which I not only own, but will GLADLY DEFEND at the '97 Worlds. C'mon you twirling yay-hoo, LET'S JUST SEE who can endure the most pain and embarrassment! Kick On You, Paul V. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Oct 18 17:14:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA05690 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:13:52 GMT Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Angela B cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Most points in a net game, and other matters... In-Reply-To: <199610180045.NAA15984@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, The Sock wrote: > That reminds me... next year I'll be going to the Worlds... do people ever > just go along and compete at Net for the first time? the only practice I > have had is kicking a freestyle bag over a tennis net :) But I'd be keep on > getting my arse whipped infront of a large crowd of ppl too! > Actually a lot of people do that. Besides, how else are you ever going to learn to play the game? Sign up for beginners and go for it :) Seeing as howw you're coming all the way form NZ and can already freestyle it shouldn't be too hard for you to find people to play net with... seeya at Worlds :) Angela From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Oct 19 18:51:36 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA09049 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 18:50:39 GMT Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA07846; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 11:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 11:47:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Juliet Pendray Reply-To: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] Most points in a net game/media/sponsors To: Mike Stoler cc: footbag@footbag.org, aloe@vcn.bc.ca In-Reply-To: <9610171637.AA04625@hazel> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Re: Long matches Well, my memory ain't happenin' enough to remember a good specific match... But I'd agree that the most satisfying matches are the really long ones. Whether fighting tooth and nail for point after point, or having the score run past 15's...those games are so energizing to play or watch. And, yeah...we women have a historical and well deserved reputation for endurance...in all sorts of areas! Ahhhh...well, I guess you guys may just have to continue to strive to reach our level & intensity of play.... Re: Media perversion Yikes! I hadn't known that about volleyball. What an ugly reason to transform a game! I hope we can find a better solution when they start putting the pressure on us! Speaking of...would anyone know what happened with that Las Vegas promotions company that sent a message to the list awhile back. I remember that they had some very specific notions of what kind of footbag could be played in their concept of a tournament! Re: Marlboro World Footbag Championships I'm hoping that there are enough big corporations to seek out, that are less icky, before we get around to coping with this kind. However, since certain folks have disparaged the smoking habits of the vancouver contingent...maybe WE should go chasing DuMaurier or Players?! ;-) Kicking (*cough*...*gasp*) On! juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Oct 19 19:04:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA09114 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 19:04:09 GMT Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id MAA12552; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:00:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: Re: [footbag] Most points in a net game, and other matters... To: The Sock cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <199610180045.NAA15984@ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, The Sock wrote: > That reminds me... next year I'll be going to the Worlds... do people ever > just go along and compete at Net for the first time? the only practice I > have had is kicking a freestyle bag over a tennis net :) But I'd be keep on > getting my arse whipped infront of a large crowd of ppl too! I met a few folks at worlds 96 who were playing net for the first time...but they also said how glad they were that they had gone to the Worlds Warm-Up the preceding week. IMNSHO, I'd suggest getting in some net before you go to worlds. If you don't have a net bag, get one: then you can give your feet some time to adjust to the hardness, and different-ness of the kicking surface. Maybe book some time on a badminton court at a school or community centre...either with other kickers into trying it, or just someone to toss the bag over the net to you. There's still lots of time to kick before Worlds..... :-) :-) juliet "let's convert all freestylers to net!" pendray From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Oct 20 18:21:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA11385 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:20:02 GMT From: TheThomas3@aol.com Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.96]) by Market.NET (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA25557 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:16:40 -0700 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA12176 for footbag@footbag.org; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:18:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:18:31 -0400 Message-ID: <961020141831_1246739719@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: cross-training? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org In a message dated 96-10-10 15:14:07 EDT, you write: >On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Scott Davidson wrote: > >> >>I am glad somebody brought this up. I have no answers, but just as many >> >questions as Neil. If any of you more accomplished kickers are willing to >> >share tips on cross-training/conditioning it would be greatly appreciated. >> Well, I personally don't cross-train. I feel it drains my focus and wastes > >I disagree totally about the cros training thing. There are always >muscles that don't get developed from training your regular sport. the >hard part is figuring out which ones. A long time ago in another life I >was a competitive swimmer. We not only swam, we played water polo, did >cycling, running, weights, wrestling, circuits (rope climbing, medicine >ball tossing, stair hopping....) All things that worked muscles that just >swimming couldn't do. Now I wouldn't call me an accomplished kicker but >last year all I did was kick and I improved fairly slowly, this year I >played soccer, took karate, am now taking kung fu, played one on one >basketball... and kicked half as much. The wierd thing is I'm improving >way faster than I did last year. If you only develop one set of muscles >to the exclusion of all else you are setting yourself up for injuries in >your underdeveloped and your stabilizer muscles.... sorry for the rant >but... > >Keep kicking >Angela Angela, You are exactly right. Cross training is an asset. All the rest is rubbish. Stretching, as Vince suggested is the key. Keep cross training, soon your legs will endure, with proper stretching. Stay positive. Just for kicks, Heather From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Oct 20 18:22:57 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA11402 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:22:56 GMT From: TheThomas3@aol.com Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by Market.NET (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA25566 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:17:02 -0700 Received: by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA08118 for footbag@footbag.org; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:18:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:18:53 -0400 Message-ID: <961020141852_1447938056@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: Wet Footbags Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org In a message dated 96-10-12 21:57:23 EDT, Steve Goldberg writes: >Sweat, you ask? Being the footbag god and trend-setter that he is, Kenny >Shults is famous for creating a generation of footbaggers who wipe the bag >on their forehead to get them wet and make them more stallable. There're >all sorts of rumors about the magical component of the Enforcer's sweat >molecules when they contact lesser players' footbags. I know I never wash >mine after Kenny takes it and wipes his brow with it during play. And >believe me, you can't stop him from doing it. :-) > > Steve Maybe someone should bottle that stuff? Just for kicks, Heather From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Oct 21 23:43:07 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA15487 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:41:24 GMT Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:31:05 -0400 From: Neil Payne To: footbag@footbag.org, chsinger@osprey.smcm.edu, lmhatcher@osprey.smcm.edu, nbpayne@osprey.smcm.edu, wamacdonald@osprey.smcm.edu Subject: [footbag] my club is hosting a shred Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello, First off, thanks to all who replied to my questions about cross-training. I continue to run and kick, not enough of the kicking unfortunately, and stretching before kicking sessions has definitely helped. It's funny how before I would so often kick and think how 'I should have stretched first', and then after reading all of the responses that advised stretching I finally did. Anyway, the club I just started is picking up. Hopefully (most likely) the SGA will approve the money that I requested for equipment and a small event. I hope to hold a freestyle kicking session and beginners contest on Saturday Nov. 16. My purpose is to simply promote the sport and club. I hope that some stylers on the east coast can make it down for the day. Sorry that I am not planning a competition for intermediates and pro's but I don't know too much about it after being to only the East Coast Championships, and of course being the 'low-end intermediate' player that I see myself as. Although if there is strong interest from the advanced players, who knows, I am open to the possibillities but have little to offer. I think I will be getting money for food (to offer free), some prizes (footbags for the beginners and possibly the advanced players) and a little bit of travel money. I will probably only get $35 for the travel expenses. When pitching it to the SGA I said I needed the money to bring down the FAKE club, so all those in FAKE are definitely encouraged to make it, -please. Money will go to any who make the trip down. We'll probably just divide the $35 up between those who travel, maybe on a sliding scale depending on distance and cost, sorry I didn't get more. I plan to reserve the space tomorrow. I want to hold it in the campus center which has a room with slightly low (about 10-12 ft.) ceilings, but should be sufficient for some nice kicking. I am going to inquire with the WFA for footbags as prizes and would definitely appreciate any advice or thoughts. Thanks for your time, Neil Payne St. Mary's College, MD located about 1 hour and 45 min. south of DC. p.s. this is all tentative, I will post again with more info. ...sorry for the long message... From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Oct 30 05:52:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA04511 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 05:51:42 GMT Received: from crcvms.unl.edu (crcvms.unl.edu [129.93.1.2]) by Market.NET (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA30315 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 22:48:24 -0700 Received: from bigred.unl.edu by crcvms.unl.edu (PMDF V5.0-6 #13219) id <01IB7NPD526O008VVO@crcvms.unl.edu> for footbag@footbag.org; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 10:46:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: by bigred.unl.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/18Aug95-0137PM) id AA19629; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 10:34:52 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 10:34:52 -0600 (CST) From: Theron A Troxel <00201887@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: [footbag] new ideas To: footbag@footbag.org Message-id: <9610291634.AA19629@bigred.unl.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi everyone, I recently started a club here in Lincoln, and was wondering what different clubs do for activities. It seems like we just kick and seems to be getting monotonous. Does anyone know some differt games to play or anything that will mix-it-up? We have members with some talent and we have a couple of beginners. Any ideas will be greatfully appreciated. -- --------------------------- @ Theron Troxel \_|_/ 465-8363 | o UNLFC President /_\_ 00207887@bigred.unl.edu \ ------------------------------------- From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 31 04:38:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA12949 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 04:35:51 GMT Received: from Market.NET (root@Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA12909 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 04:34:07 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA12895 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 21:35:29 -0700 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XAA02458; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 23:02:58 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:48:28 PST Subject: [footbag] Footbag sighting! Message-ID: <19961030.204828.3614.7.dervish@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I just caught a 2-second glimpse of two cartoon characters playing footbag on the show, 'Dexter's Laboratory'!! Just thought ya might wanna know. JP From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 31 17:46:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA17670 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:44:00 GMT Received: from mom.hooked.net (mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by Market.NET (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA18698 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 07:11:08 -0700 Received: from fish.hooked.net (footbag@fish.hooked.net [206.80.6.48]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA03792; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 06:11:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Caveney Received: (from footbag@localhost) by fish.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA13090; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 06:11:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 06:11:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199610311411.GAA13090@fish.hooked.net> To: footbag@footbag.org Cc: footbag@hooked.net Subject: Re: [footbag] new ideas Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Try footbag net! Have you ever seen or heard of footbag net before? Net is like 2-person volleyball and doubles tennis combined on a badminton-sized court (played over a five foot net). It can be played singles or doubles like tennis, and is a bump-set-spike game like volleyball. I have the most fun with footbag when I'm playing net! On Tue, Oct 29, 1996 10:34:52 AM at Theron A Troxel wrote: > It seems like we just kick and >seems to be getting monotonous. Does anyone know some differt games >to play or anything that will mix-it-up? Crash a Net! JimmyC Mt. View, California