From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 1 01:20:09 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA21020 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 01:19:44 GMT Received: by hpmfas1.cup.hp.com (1.38.193.4/15.5+IOS 3.20+cup+OMrelay) id AA11072; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:16:42 -0800 From: jsymons@hpmfas1.cup.hp.com (Julie Symons) Message-Id: <9610311716.ZM11070@hpmfac6.cup.hp.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:16:40 -0800 In-Reply-To: holyx@ix.netcom.com (Paul D Vorvick) "[footbag] Crap of the Net Crop" (Oct 18, 8:53am) References: <199610181553.IAA22515@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Congrats to new Dad, Jim Curtis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Announcing the latest addition to the footbag family: Jim Curtis and his wife Lynn Morgan are proud parents of Michael Morgan Curtis Born: 10/30/96 at 12:15am Weight: 8 lbs. 9 oz. Height: 20" Mom, Dad, and Michael are all doing fine. Jim says the kid has big feet, too. Julie -- From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 1 21:50:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA28785 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:47:51 GMT Received: from Market.NET (root@Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA28561 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:11:06 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA06354 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:12:44 -0700 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA04240; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:37:42 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] Re: Congrats to new Dad, Jim Curtis To: footbag@footbag.org cc: aloe@vcn.bc.ca In-Reply-To: <9610311716.ZM11070@hpmfac6.cup.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > Announcing the latest addition to the footbag family: > Jim Curtis and his wife Lynn Morgan are proud parents of > Michael Morgan Curtis > Born: 10/30/96 at 12:15am > Weight: 8 lbs. 9 oz. > Height: 20" > Mom, Dad, and Michael are all doing fine. > Jim says the kid has big feet, too. Congratulations Jim & Lynn, and welcome to brand new little kicker !!! But...with obsequious apologies for the nitpicky intrusion... I must needs illuminate the point: ...The name Michael does not actually begin with a "J"...! Just thought you ought to know this... Sinc-eerily, juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 11 02:45:01 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA10752 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 02:43:30 GMT Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by Market.NET (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA05069 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 14:00:24 -0800 Received: from (kicking@por-or15-18.ix.netcom.com [205.184.181.114]) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA06356 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 14:00:11 -0800 Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 14:00:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199611102200.OAA06356@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) Subject: [footbag] Attention all footbag Die hards To: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey All, I just had a very interesting conversation with Sam Conlon yesterday and it occured to her to alert all of the Footbag community. She has recently suffered an extensive hamstring injury while training for an in-line skating trek from San Francisco to San Diego. (It is to support victims of domestic violence, a very good cause, BTW) Anyway, during an examination she was told by her doctor that she had overdeveloped quad muscles and under-developed hamstrings. In fact, 80% of her muscle composition was in her quads. Until recently, the vast majority of her exercise has consisted of Footbag freestyle only, so she is a pretty good case study. I guess this is just a caution to all footbaggers who use the sport as their primary mode of exercise, you should consider doing extra exercises to develop your hamstrings. I am not sure if it is the same for Footbag net, but it would be worth checking out. Let's all send some powerful healing energy in Sam's direction. She could really use it right now. Kicking on and checking my hamstrings, tricia g. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 11 17:26:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA16707 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:25:20 GMT Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA17485 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:25:34 -0800 Received: from coinc0 (coinc0 [198.209.253.6]) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28967; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:25:17 -0600 (CST) Received: by coinc0 (SMI-8.6) id LAA23755; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:25:16 -0600 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:25:16 -0600 (CST) From: Ida Bettis Fogle X-Sender: ifogle@coinc0 To: D&T George cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Attention all footbag Die hards In-Reply-To: <199611102200.OAA06356@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Oh my...positive thoughts & good healing wishes in Sam's direction. And an incentive here to cross-train. Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu On Sun, 10 Nov 1996, D&T George wrote: > Hey All, > > I just had a very interesting conversation with Sam Conlon yesterday > and it occured to her to alert all of the Footbag community. She has > recently suffered an extensive hamstring injury while training for an > in-line skating trek from San Francisco to San Diego. (It is to support > victims of domestic violence, a very good cause, BTW) > > Anyway, during an examination she was told by her doctor that she had > overdeveloped quad muscles and under-developed hamstrings. In fact, > 80% of her muscle composition was in her quads. > > Until recently, the vast majority of her exercise has consisted of > Footbag freestyle only, so she is a pretty good case study. > > I guess this is just a caution to all footbaggers who use the sport as > their primary mode of exercise, you should consider doing extra > exercises to develop your hamstrings. > > I am not sure if it is the same for Footbag net, but it would be worth > checking out. > > Let's all send some powerful healing energy in Sam's direction. She > could really use it right now. > > Kicking on and checking my hamstrings, > tricia g. > > > From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 11 23:55:59 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA19830 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:55:26 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.100.160]) by Market.NET (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA21823 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:08:49 -0800 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.120.68]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id PAA16995; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:09:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id PAA22147; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:09:06 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:09:06 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand To: Ida Bettis Fogle cc: D&T George , footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Underdevelopped hamstrings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I'm not much of a health freak, hey I don't even know where hamstrings are exactly. So, what kind of exercise can one do to develop their hamstrings? I am one of those people who uses freestyle footbag as their sole means of exercise. Can riding a bike help develop them? Maybe we could come up with some sort of 6 add move that beefs up your hamstrings? :) ******************************************************************************* Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow ******************************************************************************* From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 12 20:38:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA28860 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:36:01 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (28762) Received: from Market.NET (root@Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA28760 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:26:06 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA03777 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:28:48 -0800 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id PAA00196; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:28:07 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:26:53 PST Subject: [footbag] Sports Illustrated!!!! Message-ID: <19961112.152653.4238.2.dervish@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-9,11,13-15,17-29,31-33 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org HELLO INITIATIVE!! >Footbag friends, >I found out that the footbag story will run in one of the next two issues >of Sports Illustrated! The only problem (and it's kind of a big one) is >that the footbag article will only appear in the SUBSCRIPTION version of >the magazine. It seems like this kind of thing keeps happening to us... >Like the time ABC covered footbag on their Good Morning America program >but they put us on the Sunday morning version of the program that nobody >watches and then it turned out *that* particular Sunday was preempted >in 90% of the country because of the New York Marathon... Hey, all. This 'SI' thing is not a problem. One may subscribe to SI and recieve the first four issues **free,** and cancel any time (by writing CANCEL on the bill). If one wanted to keep subscribing, they would charge $1.19 an issue. ...hey, that's 65% off the $3.50 cover price! ...sorry about that. One may subscribe via e-mail by sending a message like this: To: corderok@aol.com Subject: MS09 SIAMDB2 Your Name Your Address (City, State, Zip) Your E-mail Address Be sure the subject line contains exactly the text above, i.e., "MS09 SIAMDB2". And if anyone has a problem with the NYC marathon, they'll have to take it up with me. JP From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 13 03:52:31 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA32058 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 03:49:50 GMT Received: from ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (29631) Received: from Market.NET (root@Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA29629 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:15:53 GMT Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA04966 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:18:17 -0800 Received: from coinc0 (coinc0 [198.209.253.6]) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02721; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:20:08 -0600 (CST) Received: by coinc0 (SMI-8.6) id QAA07005; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:20:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:20:07 -0600 (CST) From: Ida Bettis Fogle X-Sender: ifogle@coinc0 To: Matt Hillebrand cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: Underdevelopped hamstrings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Matt Hillebrand wrote: > I'm not much of a health freak, hey I don't even know where hamstrings are > exactly. So, what kind of exercise can one do to develop their hamstrings? > I am one of those people who uses freestyle footbag as their sole means of > exercise. Can riding a bike help develop them? Maybe we could come up with > some sort of 6 add move that beefs up your hamstrings? :) > > ******************************************************************************* Actually, after I posted my message I realized I didn't know what kind of cross-training would help your hamstrings (which, btw, are in the back of your legs - thigh region.) I don't know about coming up w/a 6-add move. I'm a pretty firmly entrenched member of the SAP (Small Add Posse). Maybe a 3-add move? Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 13 16:56:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA05067 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:56:09 GMT Received: from holyx@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4100) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA04093; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:00:41 GMT Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03683; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:04:57 -0800 Received: from (holyx@por-or11-23.ix.netcom.com [204.31.113.183]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA27143; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:05:07 -0800 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:05:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199611131505.HAA27143@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: holyx@ix.netcom.com (Paul D Vorvick) Subject: [footbag] Get Yer Hams... To: freestyle@footbag.org To: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey Everybody: I believe I saw the first hamstring post in the "freestyle" list and then a reply in the "footbag" list so I'm posting this message to both. Therefore, if you see this message twice, please don't be alarmed. You have not traveled back in time. This is a simple redundancy. Let's talk hams, shall we? Although I receive open ridicule for it from Mr. Shults, I do manage to run a few miles per week as a cross-training for, of course, rolling pigs. Most of my excercise, however, has been in the form of footbag freestyle. When I run, my hams hurt a bit. This could be due to other factors, but I am going to check into what kind of excersise can be done (without apparatus) to strengthen the hamstrings. I'll keep ya posted. Kick On, Paul V. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 13 19:13:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA06091 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:12:59 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5867) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA05865 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:46:57 GMT Received: from thymaster.interaccess.com (thymaster.interaccess.com [198.80.0.36]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05175 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:51:25 -0800 Received: from [207.70.66.114] (d114.cloud.interaccess.com [207.70.66.114]) by thymaster.interaccess.com (8.8.2/8.8.Beta.3) with SMTP id MAA26632; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:41:40 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:44:26 -0500 To: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George), footbag@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [footbag] Attention all footbag Die hards Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Everyone! >I just had a very interesting conversation with Sam Conlon yesterday >and it occured to her to alert all of the Footbag community. She has >recently suffered an extensive hamstring injury while training for an >in-line skating trek from San Francisco to San Diego. (It is to support >victims of domestic violence, a very good cause, BTW) That has got to be some of the worst news we (Valeria and myself) have heard this year. (Not the support of victims of domestic violence part, the Sam's knee part) MAJOR Bummer! Please keep us posted on her recovery, and if someone could send Sam our heartfelt condolensces, and our hopes and dreams for her recovery. We love ya Sam! Show us how quickly you can come back! >Anyway, during an examination she was told by her doctor that she had >overdeveloped quad muscles and under-developed hamstrings. In fact, >80% of her muscle composition was in her quads. >I guess this is just a caution to all footbaggers who use the sport as >their primary mode of exercise, you should consider doing extra >exercises to develop your hamstrings. When I first heard this, I was pretty bummed. (Well, I'm still bummed about Sam, but about the under-developed hamstrings part). But then it occurred to me, that my lack of interest in "in-line" skating was a blessing in disguise. Since I barely have time for the freestyle workouts that I do, I can't imagine spending time cross training. To me it seems like a waste of time (and in my case, money) to get into another entirely different sport. With rollerblades, I always feared falling (well, not the falling but the sudden stop at the end)... and hence always figured I would be that geek wearing a helmet, knee pads, hip pads, back pads, shin guards, elbow pads and wrist guards for fear of abraising myself across the concrete. Now I am certain I would probably get injured by simply placing the funny shoes on my feet, let alone waiting until I fell. (Although, I do advocate helmets for rollerbladers [however geeky] as I read a statistic that upwards of 3% of all blading injuries are to the head, many serious). Anyway, you can't kick in the funny looking in-line skating shoes... so why wear them? :-) I believe it was I who stated my opinion on cross training, it went something like this: "Wouldn't it suck getting injured doing something non-freestyle that would keep you from freestyling?" This is a perfect case in point. I may have overdeveloped quads, but they work well for footbag... so why do I want to bulk them up for cycling or weights or rollerblades or snakeboard or whatever your poison is. I believe that Symposium Whirls are good for the hamstrings. Maybe not. But when I try multiples, that is where I feel it. Especially huge ones. Nothing but the best to Sam! May she be Shreddin' the Hein Combos soon! Love Scott and Valeria Davidson From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 14 01:23:12 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA09069 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 01:21:20 GMT Received: from tlewis7942@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8753) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA08751; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:45:09 GMT From: TLewis7942@aol.com Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.40]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06984; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:49:42 -0800 Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA04688; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:49:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:49:38 -0500 Message-ID: <961113194937_1183241534@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: holyx@ix.netcom.com, freestyle@footbag.org, footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: Hamstring curls. Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I think those long stretchy back kicks and outsides might help your hams. Cross train with footbag net! There are some easy ham stretches and in aerobics there is the hamstring curl which means you stand about shoulder width apart and bend your knee, kicking your foot up behind & thus pulling your leg up. Go right /left and also do reps of lefts then rights. You kinda try to kick yourself in the butt -- the key is to visualize and feel the correct muscles. I also do this on the net court to stretch and keep moving and ready. You can feel the muscle with your hand or look at a picture if you don't know it yet. I have also used those rubber band things to stretch and strengthen all the leg muscles. Way to Go Ida breaking another record!!! How do consecutives and golf do on the muscles. tina. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 14 02:20:11 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA09523 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:18:43 GMT Received: from kicking@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (9480) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA09478 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:13:56 GMT Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA07676; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:18:31 -0800 Received: from (kicking@por-or14-25.ix.netcom.com [205.184.181.89]) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA11558; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:18:28 -0800 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:18:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199611140218.SAA11558@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) Subject: Re: [footbag] Attention all footbag Die hards To: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org You wrote: >I may have overdeveloped quads, but they work well for footbag... so >why do I want to bulk them up for cycling or weights or rollerblades >or snakeboard or whatever your poison is. > >I believe that Symposium Whirls are good for the hamstrings. Maybe >not. But when I try multiples, that is where I feel it. Especially >huge ones. Well, one thing that Sam's doctor told her was....that if she hadn't developed knee problems already due to her overdeveloped quads...and not enough ham to support them that surely she should expect to. This might be a good early lesson to us all. Cross train for prevention. In you case, Scott, maybe it means beef up that net training for your future match with Paul....:-) >Nothing but the best to Sam! >May she be Shreddin' the Hein Combos soon! I will pass your warm thoughts on to her. tricia From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 14 02:23:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA09591 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:21:54 GMT Received: from kicking@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (9400) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA09398 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:09:05 GMT Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA07636 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:13:41 -0800 Received: from (kicking@por-or14-25.ix.netcom.com [205.184.181.89]) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA24529; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:13:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:13:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199611140213.SAA24529@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: Underdevelopped hamstrings To: Ida Bettis Fogle Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org You wrote: > > > > >On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Matt Hillebrand wrote: > >> I'm not much of a health freak, hey I don't even know where hamstrings are >> exactly. So, what kind of exercise can one do to develop their hamstrings? >> Well, the most obvious thing would be the weight bench with the hamstring lift. Since many people do not have access to that, lying on your front, with ankle weights and doing leg lifts would accomplish the same thing. Cycling is beneficial only if you have toe clips strapped on and you pay special attention to PULLING up on them (like you do when you go up a steep hill). A partner exercise would be to lay on your stomach, have your partner hold on to your ankles, pull your ankles toward your butt while your partner resists your pull. (pretty much the same thing as having weights on) Does anyone have any more ideas? tricia From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 14 08:22:03 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA11993 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:21:44 GMT From: freefloe@continet.com Received: from freefloe@continet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (11919) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA11917 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:18:59 GMT Received: from falcon.continet.com ([206.58.168.254]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09568 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:23:37 -0800 Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.58.168.86]) by falcon.continet.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-10248) with SMTP id AAA117 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:37:22 -0800 X-Sender: freefloe@continet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Women's events in the Midwest!! Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:37:22 -0800 Message-ID: <19961114083721542.AAA117@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey there, I just wanted to recognize the folks of CHAOS for having at least 9 women competitors at their recent event. A big congratulations to all the women who showed up and entered...I'm assuming you all had a great time!! This is the first time I've seen all the women's events at a Midwest tourny (not that it hasn't happened). Nice job CHAOS. A random side note, SIU is where my parents met, go fighting Illinii... We had 5 women and a girl at our practice last night. Come on women, let's rock this sport!! peace, becca From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 14 09:10:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA12359 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:10:37 GMT From: freefloe@continet.com Received: from freefloe@continet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (12307) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA12305 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:04:48 GMT Received: from falcon.continet.com ([206.58.168.254]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09808 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 01:09:26 -0800 Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.58.168.94]) by falcon.continet.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-10248) with SMTP id AAA212 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 01:23:18 -0800 X-Sender: freefloe@continet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] hamstrings Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 01:23:18 -0800 Message-ID: <19961114092317595.AAA212@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org My apologies for being a computer idiot and botching the where I send what to whom...thanks for the brick to the head Steve, I had no idea...truely cluless!! I thought I had sent this message to the list but haven't seen it so here it goes again...a few things I learned in college...(there aren't that many) Hamstrings are a group of three muscles on the back of the thigh. They are generally not as strong as the Quadriceps (a group of 4 muscles on the front of the thigh) partly due to one less muscle but also because they get less use in everyday activities. A normal difference would be 60% quads and 40% hamstrings, I think. Also muscles work together to off-set each other, so if your quads are significantly stronger than your hamstrings you are far more likely to injure yourself; same with stomach and back muscles, ie if your stomach muscles are weak, it can create back problems. Hamstrings are used mainly when the leg is in an extended or straightened position. Activities such as running (or things like soccer, ulitimate, basketball, tennis etc that involve running, jumping or extending legs) martial arts, cross country skiing, walking, jump rope, spiking, stretching for digs or sets, and golf drives all work the hamstrings. Freestyle uses mainly quadriceps and calf muscles due to the legs being in a bent position most of the time. This bent position also can lead to the hamstring muscle shortening (or becoming less flexible since it's not stretched or extended often in comparison to the quadricep) which predisposes the hamstring to being pulled. Hamstrings can take 2 weeks to over 2 months to heal if you are not careful, and they are very easy to re-injure. A side note, Dennis developed structural damage to the lining of the artery behind his knee due to having overdeveloped calf muscles attributed to footbag. These big muscles basically squished his artery and this damaged spot is where he's developed clots. He does have additional problems within his blood that affects his condition, so I'm not trying to say anyone will have blood clotting problems, but it is a factor (he's clotted in this same place three different times now). I believe that we will be seeing more footbag specific injuries due to the nature of many footbag motions being so different from other sports, the repetitiveness (same motions in freestyle or all day of net play), and the increased numbers of players. So there are benefits to being an Overall Footbag player since the muscles required for freestyle and timed consecutives are different from those used in Net and Golf. peace, becca From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 14 17:29:18 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA16184 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:28:48 GMT Received: from ecrvich@lotusbio.giv.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (14399) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA14392; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:59:45 GMT Received: from lotusbio.giv.com (lotusbio.giv.com [207.42.159.10]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA11250; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 06:04:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199611141404.GAA11250@Market.NET> Received: from ecrvich (rad-dhcp-62.giv.com) by lotusbio.giv.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA085200193; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:03:13 -0500 X-Sender: ecrvich@lotusbio.giv.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:55:30 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org, footbag@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [footbag] hamstrings Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 01:23 AM 11/14/96 -0800, freefloe@continet.com wrote: >Hamstrings are used mainly when the leg is in an extended or straightened I'm kind of surprised this hasn't been mentioned already (or maybe it has and I missed it), but there *are* some freestyle moves that work out the hams, most notably sole stalls. Others include pendulum, rake, and to some extent whirl-like moves. Just remember to practice on both sides. ;-) -- Ernest "Scratch" Crvich #8^i Durham, NC Footbag Freestyle: Give your feet a challenge From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 14 20:20:51 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA17658 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:20:25 GMT From: owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Received: from awestber@sedona.intel.com () via =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (17605) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA17603=20 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:15:10 GMT Received: from hermes.intel.com (hermes.intel.com [143.183.152.3]) by= Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13032 for ;= Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:19:42 -0800 Received: from sedona.intel.com by hermes.intel.com (8.7.6/10.0i); Thu, 14= Nov 1996 12:19:40 -0800 Received: from redlite.ch.intel.com (redlite.ch.intel.com [143.182.223.79])= by sedona.intel.com (8.7.6/8.7.3paulmail) with SMTP id NAA58200; Thu, 14= Nov 1996 13:19:38 -0700 =46rom: Amy Westberg~ Received: by redlite.ch.intel.com (4.1/SCDT-NCR) id AA10877; Thu, 14 Nov 96 13:19:37 MST Message-Id: <9611142019.AA10877@redlite.ch.intel.com> Subject: [footbag] Re: ESPN Coverage update To: brat@research.apple.com (Steven L. Goldberg) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:19:37 -0700 (MST) Cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: from "Steven L.= Goldberg" at Nov 14, 96 00:34:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Just to let everyone know...I watched the ESPN Amazing Sports today. They= didn't show the footbag coverage except a little preview for Sunday's= showing. They said that they would be covering Montreal's Footbag Worlds= tournament on Sunday. They showed some freestyle, but no net. Hopefully= they will have both on Sunday.=20 Amy From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 14 22:04:25 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA18537 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:03:47 GMT Received: from ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (18454) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA18452 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:59:08 GMT Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13652 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:03:12 -0800 Received: from coinc0 (coinc0 [198.209.253.6]) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16320; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:11:27 -0600 (CST) Received: by coinc0 (SMI-8.6) id PAA08958; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:11:26 -0600 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:11:25 -0600 (CST) From: Ida Bettis Fogle X-Sender: ifogle@coinc0 To: freefloe@continet.com cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] hamstrings In-Reply-To: <19961114092317595.AAA212@LOCALNAME> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 freefloe@continet.com wrote: major snippage > bent position most of the time. This bent position also can lead to the > hamstring muscle shortening (or becoming less flexible since it's not > stretched or extended often in comparison to the quadricep) which > predisposes the hamstring to being pulled. Hamstrings can take 2 weeks to > over 2 months to heal if you are not careful, and they are very easy to > re-injure. I can attest to this. The only bad injury I've ever had from footbag was a pulled hamstring & it was not fun. I pulled it playing net & foolishly didn't drop out of the tournament. Consequently I had to stop playing footbag for about 2 months & still had occasional pain for several more months. Keep your hamstrings strong. (Hmm...incentive for me to keep up with the golf, since you mentioned that.) > So there are benefits to being an Overall Footbag player since the muscles > required for freestyle and timed consecutives are different from those used > in Net and Golf. > I think you're absolutely right about this. Balance is so important. I wish I personally had time to devote to all the footbag disciplines. But I think this is one good rationale for the importance of having the different aspects of our sport. Thanks, Becca for all the important useful info. Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 15 21:45:15 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA29141 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:41:36 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (28183) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA28181 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 20:08:04 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29876 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:12:57 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id MAA26054; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:11:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:11:35 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Reply-To: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] where were you gals? To: footbag@footbag.org cc: aloe@vcn.bc.ca Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I had a great time last weekend kicking in Seattle! Kicked better in pickup games than in the competition....but what the hey, 'twas lots of fun, and a good group of folks. Also good to see kickers out from Montana! *However*... ...Where were you gals?! I recall at some point making some (terribly-good-natured-of-course) crack about men in general... nobody laughed, so I looked around and realized I was the only woman there! Holy moly! Whaddup wit' dat? Sincerely, juliet "atoning for bad-karma-accumulating sexist jokes, will try to keep a civil tongue in my head" pendray From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Nov 16 00:15:46 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA30727 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 00:15:29 GMT Received: from stoler@tds.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (30448) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA30446 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:47:19 GMT Received: from cerberus (cerberus.tds.com [165.159.61.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA31217 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:52:14 -0800 Received: from hazel.la.tds.com by cerberus (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id PAA04657; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:56:07 -0800 Received: from sparky.la.tds.com (sparky.tds.com) by hazel.la.tds.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13636; Fri, 15 Nov 96 15:53:28 PST Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 15:53:28 PST From: stoler@tds.com (Mike Stoler) Message-Id: <9611152353.AA13636@hazel.la.tds.com> Received: by sparky.la.tds.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06772; Fri, 15 Nov 96 15:53:40 PST To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Saccony G.R.I.D. Jazz - good shoes for net? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I was looking for possible net shoes and stumbled upon the Saccony G.R.I.D. Jazz shoes. I think I've heard of some net players using them. They have very nice edges, similar to the edges on my Nike Air Howls. They are a little wide in the toe area. My foot would slip a little. The salesman said that this is the way Saccony shoes fit. It might not bother me, it might just take two pairs of socks. Still, I wonder. The traction is much better than on the Air Howls. Does anyone have experience with this shoe? Is there another shoe that people want to recommend. .. The Air Howls have this leather piece on the insides and outsides. When the bag hits it, it makes this nice sound. I like the control I get. The surface is large and flat. I was talking to Kenny and others at Worlds this year and it seemed that some of the better net players don't like the lack of feel that this hard surface gives them, that they want to feel the bag when they hit it. They like a more canvas / mesh in hitting surfaces, it seemed. Kenny was recommending an Adidas shoe (big suprise :-). The Saccony GRID Jazz seem to have the same kind of material for those surfaces. Gosh, it seems to me that my foot is more round and irregular than that leather part on on my Air Howls. I think I'm more likely to hit a sweet shot with my Air Howls than with a shoe that gives me more "touch" and therefore exposes the roundness of my foot. I'm most curious what others have to say. -Rex From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Nov 16 00:21:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA30793 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 00:21:47 GMT Received: from kicking@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (30423) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA30421 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:44:56 GMT Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA31203 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:49:48 -0800 Received: from (kicking@por-or10-24.ix.netcom.com [204.31.113.152]) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA28189 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:49:41 -0800 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:49:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199611152349.PAA28189@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) Subject: Re: [footbag] hamstrings Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org You wrote: >So there are benefits to being an Overall Footbag player since the muscles >required for freestyle and timed consecutives are different from those used >in Net and Golf. Well spoken from the current Women's overall champion herself. thanks for the detailed info Becca. This is a message worth saving. tricia > From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Nov 16 01:56:10 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA31465 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 01:55:40 GMT Received: from dk713994@oak.cats.ohiou.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (31419) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA31417 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 01:53:59 GMT Received: from oak.cats.ohiou.edu (oak.cats.ohiou.edu [132.235.8.44]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA31778 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:58:55 -0800 Received: from localhost by oak.cats.ohiou.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/03Feb95-1128AM) id AA06409; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:04:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:04:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Darren R. Kautz" To: Mike Stoler Cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Saccony G.R.I.D. Jazz - good shoes for net? In-Reply-To: <9611152353.AA13636@hazel.la.tds.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I personally use the Saucony G.R.I.D. Jazz and think it's a damn fine shoe. I've seen some other people use them as well when I was at Funtastik. Seemed to be the second most preferable net shoe. But my saying that I like them doesn't mean much (note you've never seen MY name on a list of winners at net!). Oh well, practice, practice, practice! \ O Darren O / \ /\ Russell - /- . | \ Kautz / \ | From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Nov 16 07:48:13 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA01135 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 07:47:48 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1100) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA01098 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 07:43:33 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00415 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:48:32 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA27916; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:48:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:48:12 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Reply-To: Juliet Pendray Subject: Re: [footbag] Saccony G.R.I.D. Jazz - good shoes for net? To: Mike Stoler cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <9611152353.AA13636@hazel.la.tds.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Heya Rex - you are back on line?!! :-) :-) A few of us in Van have been kicking net in these recently - if this is the same shoe you are describing: Saucony Jazz, the trail version in brown and black. First saw them on the feets of some Seattle kickers. I'm finding them great! More traction than you can shake a stick at, nice insides, outsides and toes, and so far, standing up to a lot of abuse. Extremely good on gym floors too - which is very useful right now. They are a very wide fit it is true - 'been wearing doubles socks in them, creating more muddy laundry. But such a small disadvantage, pshaw! joooliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 18 02:21:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA18436 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 02:20:35 GMT Received: from eric.w.tiffany@williams.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (17264) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA17262 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:57:34 GMT Received: from williams.edu (goshen.williams.edu [137.165.4.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09052 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:02:50 -0800 Received: from colrain.williams.edu (colrain.williams.edu [137.165.4.4]) by goshen.williams.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA27821; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from iplink081.crocker.com by colrain.williams.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/16Jul96-0543PM) id AA21668; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:02:41 -0500 Message-Id: <328FA9BB.467A@williams.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:25:58 -0500 From: Eric Tiffany Reply-To: Eric.W.Tiffany@williams.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven L. Goldberg" Cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: [announce] ESPN Coverage update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org HOSED AGAIN!!! -- __/ _ _/ Eric Tiffany etiffany@williams.edu __/ / 171 The Knolls 413-458-0284, __/ _/ Williamstown, MA 01267 2163 fax From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 18 02:21:50 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA18449 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 02:20:47 GMT Received: from stoler@tds.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (16474) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA16472 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:19:00 GMT Received: from cerberus (cerberus.tds.com [165.159.61.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08705 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:24:15 -0800 Received: from hazel.la.tds.com by cerberus (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id OAA12927; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:28:09 -0800 Received: from sparky.la.tds.com (sparky.tds.com) by hazel.la.tds.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16994; Sun, 17 Nov 96 14:25:30 PST Date: Sun, 17 Nov 96 14:25:30 PST From: stoler@tds.com (Mike Stoler) Message-Id: <9611172225.AA16994@hazel.la.tds.com> Received: by sparky.la.tds.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10655; Sun, 17 Nov 96 14:25:42 PST To: aloe@vcn.bc.ca Cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: (message from Juliet Pendray on Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:48:12 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: [footbag] Saccony G.R.I.D. Jazz - good shoes for net? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi there, Juliet. Getting personal replies from you is the best part of posting to the footbag maillist. > Heya Rex - you are back on line?!! :-) :-) I'm not really "offline" except for practical purposes. I've still got an account, but I've got to make special trips to the corporate office to check it. I could do it all from home, if my computer were only working right. I need to try to fix it, but I haven't even tried for a while. It looked pretty scary the last time I attempted. I used to get email all day long while everybody else thought I was working. THat's what I lost, and that's why I said that I'd be offline. I get pretty harried on my quick email runs. I'm taking some time off from kicking whilst I'm under a Dr.'s care, but next week I'm hoping for a green light to play. Talk to you later. -Rexxx From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 18 02:33:54 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA18597 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 02:33:53 GMT Received: from eric.w.tiffany@williams.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (17967) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA17965 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 01:24:05 GMT Received: from williams.edu (goshen.williams.edu [137.165.4.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09323 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:29:21 -0800 Received: from colrain.williams.edu (colrain.williams.edu [137.165.4.4]) by goshen.williams.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA04726 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from iplink081.crocker.com by colrain.williams.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/16Jul96-0543PM) id AA25463; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:29:18 -0500 Message-Id: <328FBE08.1E66@williams.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:52:41 -0500 From: Eric Tiffany Reply-To: Eric.W.Tiffany@williams.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] ESPN attempt #2? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I see by my trusty www.tv1.com that "Unbelievable Sports" is supposed to air at 4:30 pm EST on Wed Nov 20. I don't know whether this will be at the same time across the country or not, so check your local listings. ET -- __/ _ _/ Eric Tiffany etiffany@williams.edu __/ / 171 The Knolls 413-458-0284, __/ _/ Williamstown, MA 01267 2163 fax From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 18 02:47:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA18766 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 02:47:46 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (18709) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA18706 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 02:41:44 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09608 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:47:01 -0800 Received: from [17.127.18.241] ([17.127.18.241]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA10611 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:41:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:47:22 -0800 To: announce@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: [footbag] ESPN coverage of footbag postponed... Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Well, best laid plans and all that, ESPN preempted the Sunday broadcast of Unbelievable Sports that was supposed to cover footbag, because the tennis doubles world championships ran over. So at this point I'm not making any promises, but I am willing to believe the rebroadcast this THURSDAY will have our show on it (since I watched last Thursday's show and it did have a preview of the footbag segment for this week). So here's my best guess: THURSDAY, 11/21, 2-2:30 Eastern 1-1:30 Central 12-12:30 Mountain 11-11:30 Pacific I guess this means we have to wait until March 24th for the prime time rebroadcast? Oh well.. Par for the course, I guess. Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 18 16:18:49 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA25553 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:18:06 GMT Received: from mar36659@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (24709) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24707 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:37:54 GMT Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA12145 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 06:43:14 -0800 Received: from ns.magicnet.net (pm5-24.magicnet.net [206.104.207.153]) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA07020 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 00:07:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199611180507.AAA07020@magicnet.magicnet.net> From: "Mario A. Rodriguez" To: Subject: [footbag] The University of Central Florida Tournament Results! Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:15:01 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Dear Footbaggers: The tournament at the UCF (University of Central Florida) evolved in the best of way possible. The competition, which was the first of the kind, concentrated the best hackers in the category of freestyling. The event was sponsored by the UCF Footbag Club who gave prizes, donated free food to participant, and hosted a party at the end of the tournament. The results are as follow: 1.-Andrew T. Centoducati (**Champion**) 2.-Mike Dow 3.-Mario A. Rodriguez All the members of the UCF footbag Club hope hosting similar events the following year and include more events. thanks TO ALL WHO SUPPORTED THE EVENT!!! " E X P A N D T H E M I N D E X T E N D T H E F O O T ! " Mario Rodriguez President of the UCF Footbag Club ps. does someone knows any good software for tournament scoring for the pc? I had to write my own for my TI ! -=-=-=-=-=-==-======-===-=-==========---=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==--=-=- Mario Rodriguez | "What value did art and virtue email: mar@magicnet.net | hold for him when he could have http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~mar36659 | chaos?" | ----Death in Venice, by Mann -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-------=-=-== From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 18 21:25:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA28352 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:25:17 GMT Received: from hungchang_at_bldg2@ca.slr.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (27640) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA27638 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 20:07:52 GMT Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13750 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:13:17 -0800 Received: from dns.slr.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA27811; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ca.slr.com ([158.116.9.16]) by dns.slr.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23380; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:21:27 -0800 Received: from ccMail by ca.slr.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA848347833; Mon, 18 Nov 96 12:08:55 PST Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 12:08:55 PST From: "HungChang" Message-Id: <9610188483.AA848347833@ca.slr.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] re: Saucony Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Netplayers, I have'nt try the Saucony Jazz, but I've try my old Saucony running shoes. It's outside surface is great due to its soft foam fabric. (Sets are very accurate.) Its fit is great (for me), wide in front and narrow in the heel. However it is made for running, therefore high in the heel and lack of lateral support. So for people with flexible and wobbly ankles (like me), stay away from running shoes or you are asking for an ankle sprain. My current and favorite shoes is the Nike Air Howl, but it is modified both inside and outside. It is without a doubt the best shoe avaible. :) Hung BAFL From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 18 21:25:53 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA28363 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:25:35 GMT Received: from mgrueter@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (27384) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA27382 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:35:35 GMT From: MGrueter@aol.com Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13594 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:41:00 -0800 Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA02420 for footbag@footbag.org; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:40:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:40:42 -0500 Message-ID: <961118144041_1615410562@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Sound Footwork Indoor Tournament Results Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Here are the results from our 2nd Annual Fall Indoor Footbag Net Tournament, November 9 & 10, 1996: This year we had our event at Magnolia Community Center in Seattle. They have a very nice facility with (count 'em) THREE gyms. We only used two, but we had ample room and six nets for the 28 competitors in attendance. The front gym has an observation deck above it so we ran most of the Open competition there, giving spectators had the best view possible. Saturday was actually a pretty nice day. Unfortunate since we were inside, but it would have been a bit cold and muddy out anyway... We had a casual 10am start, and got through all of the singles up to the final match that day. In the evening, we hung out at Greg (Noodle Boy)'s new house, ate pasta, and had some live guitar music featuring Adrian and Sonny from Vancouver, and Sean (one of Greg's room-mates). Sunday morning we started a little later waiting for some late arrivals, but the competition was great, and we played right up to the end at around 6:30pm. Special thanks to Lori Chisholm (she's Magnolia's activities director that has taken a liking to Footbag, so we follow her from community center to community center). Also, thanks to members of Kitsilano Kickers, Association Quebecoise de Aqi/Footbag, Sole Purpose/NPR, and two happening kickers from Montana (Ben & Kevin) for showing up and joining our fun. Open Singles Net 1. Rick Bates "The Master" 2. Chris "Gator" Routh 3. Thomas Loria 4. Yossarian Kelley Open Doubles Net 1. Chris "Gator" Routh/Dave Bernard 2. Jim Derricott/Scott Milne 3. Patrick Asswad/Alexies Deschenes 4. Andy Ronald/Indrasani "Sonny" Mursalim Novice Singles Net 1. Ben Ferencz 2. Cody Down From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 18 23:23:26 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA29369 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:23:07 GMT Received: from swingert@creighton.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (29228) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA29225 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:11:06 GMT Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu (bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14741 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:16:31 -0800 Received: from [147.134.107.135] (kie135.creighton.edu) by bluejay.creighton.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA229788988; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:16:28 -0600 X-Sender: swingert@bluejay.creighton.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:21:44 -0600 To: footbag@footbag.org From: swingert@creighton.edu (Sean Wingert) Subject: [footbag] Creighton Footbag Club Web Page Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello, My name is Sean Wingert. I have just started a footbag club at Creighton University (Jesuit) in Omaha, NE. I also created a website all about our club and its members (among other goodies), and I am looking for commentary. Please take a quick peek at www.top.net/footbag and let me know what you think - please be honest, this is for OUR sport! Thank You, /------------------------------------------\ | | | Sean Wingert | | Founding President | | O Creighton University | | / | \/ FootBag Club | | / | | | / \ o | | / \/ | | \ | | For more information: | | www.top.net/footbag | | ------ (402) 280-3750 | \------------------------------------------/ From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 19 00:37:06 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA30050 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:36:35 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (29712) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA29710 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:08:53 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15137 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 16:14:19 -0800 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TAA07938; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:11:43 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:07:19 PST Subject: [footbag] ESPN coverage of footbag postponed... Message-ID: <19961118.190958.4486.2.dervish@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-7,9,11-13,15,17,19,21-24,26,28-34,36,38,41,43-45 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:47:22 -0800 "Steven L. Goldberg" writes: >Well, best laid plans and all that, ESPN preempted the Sunday >broadcast of Unbelievable Sports that was supposed to cover footbag, because the >tennis doubles world championships ran over. Well, I called ESPN this morning and they returned my call this afternoon. I didn't get an apology or even an "I hope you guys weren't too badly inconvenienced by our ineptitude," but I got a partial explanation. ESPN didn't fly a 'banner' along the bottom of the screen during the tennis broadcast because the scheduling had been changed more than ten days ago. In fact, it had been changed sometime between twenty and twenty five days ago. So, just because the preview channels and The New York Times television guide didn't change their published content, doen't mean that we can blame them. If anyone has a problem with this can call ESPN directly, at 212 916 2000 in New York City, at 203 585 2000 or 860 585 2000 in Connecticut. You can call any of these numbers for a voice-mail announcement of broadcast scheduling, or to complain as much as you like. Apparently, as long as advertisers pay money to the network, they don't care diddly about our little gold mine. Sorry. Here's the rebroadcast information. November 20th at 4.30pm Eastern Standard Time and December 15th at 2.30 pm EST. I know this is contrary to our other info [ this Thursday at 2pm Eastern ] but that's what the dude told me. You can ask for him by name, he said his name was Brent. Since November 20th is less than ten days away, if for some reason the broadcast is rescheduled or pre-empted they will 'run a banner' along the bottom of the screen. For whatever that's worth. It's too bad we can't have the Footbag Network. Josh From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 19 19:32:08 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA05745 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:30:48 GMT Received: from cleerecr8v@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (5585) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA05583 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:14:52 GMT From: CLEERECR8V@aol.com Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20131 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:20:26 -0800 Received: by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA08659 for announce@footbag.org; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:20:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:20:20 -0500 Message-ID: <961119142017_1284613736@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Devil Stick/Juggle Stick demo person for NYC Toy Show Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Digesters: I am looking for a person who is skilled at devil sticks to work the NY Toy Fair in February. Please E-mail me at CLEERECR8V@AOL.COM by Nov. 20, if you're interested or know someone who is. Thanks, Scott Cleere From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 19 19:47:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA05903 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:47:23 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5794) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA05792 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:39:01 GMT Received: from eniac.yak.net (eniac.Yak.NET [140.174.206.7]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20333 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:44:36 -0800 Received: from [204.188.8.41] (dialup2.Market.NET [204.188.8.41]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA05789 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:38:56 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:44:56 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: [footbag] Click is Cool Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I recently got a note from the folks at "CLICK", an online resource guide aimed at teens. They thought Footbag WorldWide (http://www.footbag/org/) was pretty cool, and wanted to link us in. But they weren't sure if we were a "Field Sport", an "Indoor Sport", or what... Well, I set them straight. I explained that we were a "Sport Sport" and we deserved our own major heading "Footbag" on their top-level Sports page. And after a week or so, they saw how much information we had (on Footbag WorldWide as well as at the WFA site and others) that they created a brand new category for Footbag! So we are real! They were very excited to be able to add such a cool topic to their line-up. I was so happy I just wanted to let everyone else know. :-) See CLICK at http://www.click.toplinks.com/ Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 21 04:03:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA04927 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 04:01:26 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4899) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA04897 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 04:00:35 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07060 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:55:56 -0800 Received: from [17.255.9.137] (microbrat.research.apple.com [17.255.9.137]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA09579 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:50:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:58:04 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: [footbag] ESPN TODAY at 4:30 Eastern, 1:30 Pacific Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I finally got confirmation from ABC/Kane Productions (the folks who did our piece for ESPN) that there WILL be an airing of Unbelievable Sports TODAY (as was rumored on this list earlier): Wednesday, 11/20/96 ESPN "Unbelievable Sports" 1:30 p.m. Pacific 2:30 p.m. Mountain 3:30 p.m. Central 4:30 p.m. Eastern The only question is whether or not this is the same show that we're in. All ESPN ever tells anyone is that it's Unbelievable Sports, not *which* particular show. Let's pray! Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 21 05:51:45 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA05634 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 05:51:34 GMT Received: from awestber@sedona.intel.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5539) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA05537 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 05:42:29 GMT Received: from hermes.intel.com (hermes.intel.com [143.183.152.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07852 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:37:50 -0800 Received: from sedona.intel.com by hermes.intel.com (8.7.6/10.0i); Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:37:43 -0800 Received: from redlite.ch.intel.com (redlite.ch.intel.com [143.182.223.79]) by sedona.intel.com (8.7.6/8.7.3paulmail) with SMTP id OAA19464 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:37:42 -0700 From: Amy Westberg~ Received: by redlite.ch.intel.com (4.1/SCDT-NCR) id AA12252; Wed, 20 Nov 96 14:37:41 MST Message-Id: <9611202137.AA12252@redlite.ch.intel.com> Subject: [footbag] Phoenix Tournament To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:37:40 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi All, Just want to let you know some more info about the Phoenix Tournament that will be January 18-19, 1997. Lodging info: There is a hotel right across the street from the tournament site. Unfortunately all the hotels are really expensive in Phoenix at this time of year because a lot of people come here to get away from the cold. Anyway, he reduced the rate down to $99/night. (reg $119) Four people are allowed to stay in each room at no extra charge per person. Breakfast comes with the room. THe name of the hotel is Inn Suites Hotel in Scottsdale. The phone number is (602) 941-1202 or (800) 238-8851. Mention that you are with the footbag group and if there is a problem, the man's name is John Henderson...ask to talk to him. He is very nice. The address is 7707 East McDowell Road Scottsdale, AZ 85257. If you are planning on staying at a hotel, you should call soon because the rooms are going fast. All rooms are equipped with a beverage refrigerator stocked daily with complimentary juices microwave oven with complimentary popcorn on your first night, coffee maker with coffee/tea stocked daily, and even a hairdryer. Additional amenities at no charge: buffet-style breakfast, hosted social hour, local phone calls, heated pool/spa, loaner bicycles, HBO/Cable TV, Morning newspaper. Also, I can have people stay at my place. Heather and Rob have lots of room also. My number is (602) 755-0910. Heather's is (602) 966-9818 and Rob's is (602) 847-0071. There are also other hotels around. I haven't checked the prices yet. This one is nice because it is right across the street...you wouldn't need to rent a car. It is a big park, but you could use a bike from the hotel at no charge if you wanted. If you need mroe information, give me a call. Hope you can make it to our tournament! Amy From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 21 05:57:24 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA05714 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 05:57:18 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5630) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA05627 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 05:51:33 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07978 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:46:25 -0800 Received: from [17.255.9.137] (microbrat.research.apple.com [17.255.9.137]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA10909 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:40:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:47:10 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: [footbag] Good sign! Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Okay, the ESPN Unbelievable Sports program that aired today at 4:30 eastern was the same one as last week! This is a GREAT sign! It means that they didn't preempt us last weekend, but rather POSTPONED us. So I have great confidence that THIS Sunday's show will be ours! Sorry for bugging everyone with these updates. Either Bruce or I will send out the final word as soon as ESPN can tell us the honest truth. :-) Hopefully tomorrow. Thanks for your patience. Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 21 06:48:25 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA06017 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 06:48:08 GMT Received: from tuanvu@erols.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5859) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA05857 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 06:23:35 GMT Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [205.252.116.102]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08369 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 14:18:32 -0800 Received: from LOCALNAME (spg-as45s23.erols.com [207.172.113.107]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24670 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:18:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32950139.7D45@erols.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:26:17 -0800 From: Tu Vu X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Another ESPN letdown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey footbaggers! This is the first time I'm writing to the list server and it happens to be badddddddd news. Yet again, I waste another half hour of my life watching another episode of Unbelieve Sports and no footbag! All it shows is a 10 second clip of how the next episode is suppose to have it. Let's all hope we don't have to wait till march to see it. I'm done. I'll see everyone at the Thanksgiving Jam in the Bay Area next weekend. I'm realllllllly excited. Too Huge From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 21 14:24:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA08710 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:24:38 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8305) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA08303 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:51:59 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA11989 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:46:51 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA26592; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:45:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:45:36 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] ESPN To: "Steven L. Goldberg" cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org So, is the potential/alternate time mentioned earlier - 11:00am Pacific, Thurs Nov 21 - definitely not worth checking out? This was mentioned as a possibility by either you or Josh Penney, I can't remember..... juliet p.s. (Griping one-upmanship) Hah! Wasting a half hour is nothing! Since we don't get espn here without satellite, we're scrambling to find sympathetic american friends to tape it and/or commuting to sports bars with satellites, only to just spend money needlessly on food, and, uh, well, maybe beer..... From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 21 14:38:33 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA08806 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:38:23 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8776) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA08774 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:33:59 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12650 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:29:24 -0800 Received: from [204.188.8.41] (dialup2.Market.NET [204.188.8.41]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA15780; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:23:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:29:37 -0800 To: Juliet Pendray From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: Re: [footbag] ESPN Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 8:45 PM -0800 11/20/96, Juliet Pendray wrote: >So, is the potential/alternate time mentioned earlier - 11:00am Pacific, >Thurs Nov 21 - definitely not worth checking out? Au contraire! I think it's a pretty good bet, actually. Remember last week when I first sent a reminder about the airing, I mentioned that I'd read in an on-line TV listing service that the first show of every week actually starts on Thursday? Well, I think I figured out what went wrong. I think the people who told WFA that the show was airing last Sunday were really slightly confused; I think the production company WFA talked to was told by the network, "it'll air the week of 11/17", but nobody mentioned that the first show of that week is on Thursday the 21st. The show that would've normally aired on the 17th (which was in fact preempted) was from the previous week's episode! Does that make any sense? So my theory, which is just a theory, mind you, is that this Thursday's 11am PST / 2pm EST show will actually have us in it! But either way, I'm almost positive we'll be on this Sunday at 3:30pm Pacific / 6:30pm Eastern. Either Bruce or I will send an announcement when we finally get word back from the folks who are supposed to know these things. So if it's no skin off your nose, I'd say set your VCR for tomorrow's (Thursday's) edition of Unbelievable Sports if you happen to get this message before then. If it is on, you can bet it'll be on again Sunday. Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 22 04:30:39 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA13085 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 04:29:35 GMT Received: from ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (10547) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA10545 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:29:18 GMT Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA15639 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 05:24:16 -0800 Received: from coinc0 (coinc0 [198.209.253.6]) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00681; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 07:24:06 -0600 (CST) Received: by coinc0 (SMI-8.6) id HAA07152; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 07:24:06 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 07:24:05 -0600 (CST) From: Ida Bettis Fogle X-Sender: ifogle@coinc0 To: Juliet Pendray cc: "Steven L. Goldberg" , footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] ESPN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Juliet Pendray wrote: > > So, is the potential/alternate time mentioned earlier - 11:00am Pacific, > Thurs Nov 21 - definitely not worth checking out? > > This was mentioned as a possibility by either you or Josh Penney, I can't > remember..... > > juliet > > p.s. (Griping one-upmanship) Hah! Wasting a half hour is nothing! Since > we don't get espn here without satellite, we're scrambling to find > sympathetic american friends to tape it and/or commuting to sports bars > with satellites, only to just spend money needlessly on food, and, uh, > well, maybe beer..... > Oh yeah? Well, I can do better than that. We don't have a tv or money to eat out & I think our friends with cable are getting tired of us dropping in to watch something we don't even care about. When the thing finally airs, someone send us a tape, ok? Maybe we can con someone into playing it for us. Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 22 10:39:44 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA15030 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:39:05 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (14584) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA14582 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:05:38 GMT Received: from oxywhite.interaccess.com (oxywhite.interaccess.com [198.80.0.100]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20918 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 17:00:39 -0800 Received: from [207.70.66.75] (d75.cloud.interaccess.com [207.70.66.75]) by oxywhite.interaccess.com (8.8.2/8.8.Beta.3) with SMTP id TAA17482; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:00:15 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:03:25 -0500 To: "Mario A. Rodriguez" , footbag@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [footbag] The University of Central Florida Tournament Results! Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Mario! > The tournament at the UCF (University of Central Florida) evolved >in the >best of way possible. Sounds like it was a lot of fun! > " E X P A N D T H E M I N D E X T E N D T H E F O O T ! " I love your catch phrase. >ps. does someone knows any good software for tournament scoring for the pc? >I had to write my own for my TI ! We have a pretty good one for Filemaker Pro 3.0 (MFA has one which was designed by Scott, and FEAT has a nice one developed by Derrick Fogle which I am pretty sure he wouldn't mind giving you a clone of the file.) And anything developed on the superior platform, urgh, I mean on the Mac in FMPro3.0 can be ported cleanly and with zero effort over to the other platform, urgh, I mean the Wintel platform. All you need is FMPro3.0 for PC. Also, the Illinois Collegiate Footbag League (ICFL) has a new database, as yet untested, that they are using to keep track of stats across an unlimited number of tournaments and in any event. Once it is certifiably operable by anyone other than myself, than I will be happy to clone a copy of the file to anyone interested. FMPro3.0 Rulz. Footbag Rulz! See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Nov 24 10:08:32 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA28069 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:07:46 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (28039) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA28037 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:03:31 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02624; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 17:58:43 -0800 Received: from [17.127.19.69] ([17.127.19.69]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA09103; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 17:52:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 17:58:52 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: [footbag] Footbag WorldWide on TV! Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Well, good things come to those who wait. :-) I just saw our website, Footbag WorldWide, on television -- the program was "C|Net" -- it's a syndicated show that focuses on the Internet and various websites and resources. It's a well-produced show with lots of good information -- it's one of the first of its kind, although now there are quite a few. Anyway, Footbag WorldWide was featured on the "Best of the Web" segment in the middle of tonight's show (it aired on Channel 5, the CBS affiliate, here in the San Francisco area). The feature was *great* (albeit brief) and included video of someone surfing through our pages (including the FWW logo, the club list, event list, etc.) and ended with a full-screen showing of a significant portion of the Rippin' Rick Reese freestyle footbag on the video page! It was quite clear and looked great. I feel that the piece really legitimized us and gave us a good amount of positive press. Thanks, C|Net !!! Of course, our site is also featured on C|Net's web site: http://www.cnet.com/ (in the "Best of the Web" section) The direct link to the article on Footbag WorldWide is: http://www.cnet.com/Content/Reviews/Bestofweb/Reviews/0,60,492,00.html although I don't know how long that URL will be valid. Oh, did I mention... Woohoo! Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Nov 24 12:22:40 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA28693 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:22:29 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (28632) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA28630 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:14:42 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03564 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:10:06 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA03490; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:09:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 20:09:55 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Reply-To: Juliet Pendray Subject: Re: [footbag] Footbag WorldWide on TV! To: "Steven L. Goldberg" cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Congratulations!!! (& Woohoo!!!) Praise much deserved! I don't think we get that show up here, but the write-up in their site was cool: I'm always surprised when someone actually describes footbag correctly. Very happymaking! JP-473 From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Nov 24 12:22:42 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA28704 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:22:31 GMT Message-Id: <199611241222.MAA28704@eniac.yak.net.taz> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:07:41 -0800 From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) Subject: Re: [footbag] Footbag WorldWide on TV! To: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org You wrote: > >Well, good things come to those who wait. :-) > >I just saw our website, Footbag WorldWide, on television -- the program was >"C|Net" -- it's a syndicated show that focuses on the Internet and various >websites and resources. Kudos to Steve and Jim. If it weren't for their *extreme* talent and professional make up of the site, it certainly wouldn't be given the press that it has. Not to even mention the perennial top five stature that it has maintained. My hat is off to you guys. Thanks for growing our sport!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Always in awe tricia g. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 25 12:29:41 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA02193 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:29:17 GMT Received: from 00201887@bigred.unl.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1859) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA01857 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:18:02 GMT Received: from crcvms.unl.edu (crcvms.unl.edu [129.93.1.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA02663 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 19:13:37 -0800 Received: from bigred.unl.edu by crcvms.unl.edu (PMDF V5.1-4 #13219) with SMTP id <01IC8L9XGOXS0004KP@crcvms.unl.edu> for footbag@footbag.org; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 21:16:08 CST Received: by bigred.unl.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/18Aug95-0137PM) id AA26793; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 21:10:23 -0600 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 21:10:23 -0600 (CST) From: Theron A Troxel <00201887@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: [footbag] music theme To: footbag@footbag.org Message-id: <9611250310.AA26793@bigred.unl.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi everyone, I was watching everyone's favorite channel, ESPN, this weekend for college football. During one of the highlites my roommate and I heard this theme that was really familar. It was the theme from the Tricks of the Trade Video. Has anyone else heard this on ESPN or any other shows? By the way, Stylin Wingert has an awesome homepage, the address is: http://www.top.net/footbag!!! ESPN *sucks*, but I love those wolverines!!!!!! -- --------------------------- @ Theron Troxel \_|_/ 465-8363 | o UNLFC President /_\_ 00201887@bigred.unl.edu \ ------------------------------------- From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 26 00:54:14 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA05897 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:53:29 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5765) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA05763 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 00:36:12 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07339 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:31:51 -0800 Received: from [17.127.19.69] ([17.127.19.213]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA17613 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:25:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:32:08 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: [footbag] Everyone please call ESPN! Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Fellow footbaggers, It is my personal opinion that the best thing for us to do at this point is to show our support for footbag by calling ESPN and asking them what ever happened to the show about footbag. If you can afford a short long-distance call to Connecticut, please consider helping in our effort: +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | Call ESPN Viewer Information in Bristol, CT | | 1 (860) 585-2000 | | Ask for the air dates/times for "Unbelievable Sports" SHOW #9 | | | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you feel like complaining that it wasn't on when it was scheduled a week ago Sunday, please feel free. To cut down on traffic to this list, please don't all write in telling us the dates and times if you find them out. Instead, write me directly and I will compile responses. Thanks. Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 26 06:39:58 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA08539 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 06:39:35 GMT From: owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Received: from freefloe@continet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8491) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA08489 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 06:33:20 GMT Received: from falcon.continet.com ([206.58.168.254]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10067 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:29:03 -0800 Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.58.169.82]) by falcon.continet.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-10248) with SMTP id AAA113 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:42:40 -0800 X-Sender: freefloe@continet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Sports Illustrated Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:42:40 -0800 Message-ID: <19961125224238933.AAA113@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey footbag friends, I just got my most recent issue of Sports Illustrated dated Nov. 25th with Ted Williams on the cover and there's no footbag. Aparrently Sports Illustrated only put this article in 1 million copies going to their biggest distribution sites. It's not in the Oregon magazine (or NC where my brother lives). So, everyone check the copies of SI with Ted Williams in your areas and get your friends' copies too. I read a photocopy (couldn't make out the pictures) at Kenny and Kendall's yesterday and it's well done. I also saw the ESPN segment, apparently it did air sometime...it looks great! peace, becca From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 28 08:26:37 1996 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA16291 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 08:25:48 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (16252) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA16250 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 08:24:15 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26015 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:20:47 -0800 Received: from [17.255.9.137] (microbrat.research.apple.com [17.255.9.137]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA12627 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:14:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:23:02 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: [footbag] BAFL Turkey Weekend Schedule! Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Okay, everyone who's going to be in or near the Bay Area this weekend, here's the scoop: (Aside from the regular huge crowd, several people will be in town, including Tuan and Tu Vu, Eric Wulff, Ryan Mulroney, Toby Robinson, Dave Hillis, and Montrealers Sebastien Peron, Samuel, Alexis, and Patrick Aswad.) ------ BAFL Turkey Weekend Schedule: FRIDAY (11/29): Net and Freestyle at Eagle Park in Mountain View 1pm-dark; One block east of El Camino on Shoreline. All you San Francisco net and freestyle players must attend or be kicked out of BAFL. :-) Call Steve, 408-773-9110. SATURDAY (11/30): Net and Freestyle at U. C. Berkeley, 1pm-dark. At the place we call "the spot", in a perfect area with grass and concrete between four buildings on the UC Campus. The buildings are: Mulford, Milford, Warren, and Genetics & Plant Biology, near the NW corner of campus. Call Lisa, 510-525-9178. SUNDAY (11/31): Net and Freestyle at Peacock Meadow, Golden Gate Park On and off John F. Kennedy Drive in the northeast section of the park about a block inside the park from Stanyan Street. JFK is closed to cars on Sunday. Contact Lisa Monti, 415-688-8146. ------- Hope to see many of you there! Steve