From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 1 00:39:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA00808 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 00:38:55 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA00804 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 00:38:53 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (801) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA00799 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 00:38:52 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26562 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 16:38:17 -0800 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TCO08986; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 19:37:18 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 19:35:20 PST Subject: Re: [footbag] Serving in net footbag Message-ID: <19961231.193520.3670.1.dervish@juno.com> References: <1996123117225341@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-10,12-17,20 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >In table tennis, your serve is suppose to be able to >pass the end of the table before it can fall off the sides of the >table. I'm just wondering if a similar serve in net is >legal, or if it is suppose to be like table tennis and pass the end of >the court (or at least have the direction and momentum ... Well, Matt - the major differences between footbag net and table tennis are: 1. In net you are sorta 'standing' on the table. 2.In table tennis you have the option of playing off the bounce. Since net is more like volleyball, it doesn't really matter where the bag is going, as long as it lands 'in bounds'. >We're not nearly good enough for this to be a real problem, but we >are curious as to anyone's thoughts on the matter. >I hope this message wasn't too confusing. Heh. I can't even get the sucker over the net - ever since I got spanked the fiftieth time in a row in net, I'm sticking to freestyle. And I wasn't the least bit confused. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 1 18:03:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA00186 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 18:02:09 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA00182 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 18:02:06 GMT Received: from shnik@connect.ab.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (179) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA00177 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 18:02:04 GMT Received: from portal.connect.ab.ca (portal.connect.ab.ca [206.75.40.10]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA31186 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 10:01:50 -0800 Received: from andrewba (ppp162.connect.ab.ca [207.34.79.162]) by portal.connect.ab.ca (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA12640 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 11:01:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <32CAA65F.2DFB@connect.ab.ca> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 11:01:03 -0700 From: Andrew Batiuk X-Sender: Andrew Batiuk (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Hacky Sack in a Song? X-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I've been listening to the song High On A Happy Vibe over and over to figure out whether or not the singer keeps saying "Get up and Hacky Sack". It sure sounds like he is. If anyone else out there has that song (by Urban Cookie Collective), please let us all know if indeed footbag has penetrated into the music scene :-). (If anyone wants the sound clip, email me and I'll email it to you). Happy Kickin' New Year! From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 2 00:59:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA00780 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 00:59:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA00776 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 00:59:01 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (773) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA00771 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 00:59:00 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.100.160]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00545 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:58:53 -0800 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.120.68]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id QAA07004; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id QAA15735; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:58:51 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 16:58:51 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand To: Andrew Batiuk cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Hacky Sack in a Song? In-Reply-To: <32CAA65F.2DFB@connect.ab.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > I've been listening to the song High On A Happy Vibe over and over to > figure out whether or not the singer keeps saying "Get up and Hacky > Sack". It sure sounds like he is. If anyone else out there has that song > (by Urban Cookie Collective), please let us all know if indeed footbag > has penetrated into the music scene :-). > (If anyone wants the sound clip, email me and I'll email it to you). > Happy Kickin' New Year! HAHA! What the heck is the Urban Cookie Collective?!!? Andrew, please email that sound clip to me; I've got to check this out. Thanks ******************************************************************************* Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow ******************************************************************************* From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 2 19:40:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA00587 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:38:22 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA00577 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:38:18 GMT Received: from cleerecr8v@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (572) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA00570 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:38:12 GMT From: CLEERECR8V@aol.com Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com (emout18.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.44]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05551 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 11:38:01 -0800 Received: by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA21860 for footbag@footbag.org; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:37:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:37:51 -0500 Message-ID: <970102143751_1491210251@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: Footbag Digest V31 #57 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Footbag Sighting and School Tour Launch: Watching the flick Fly Away Home with our son Jeremy we saw a circle in the beginning of the film...FYI (we don't go to anything but animation or feel good G rated movies anymore, oh the joys of parenthood). On another note, a footbag school tour will be starting January 21 in the Ohio and Michigan area, featuring the amazing feet of Toby Robinson and Dave Hillis. They will be on tour for Creative Athletics through the end of April. The tour will take them from Ohio in the north to PA to the south and 160 schools in between. Hospitality for road weary travelers is always a bonus. If you are in that "east must jam" stretch of territory, and would like to host the amazing duo drop me a line. All for now, Scott Cleere From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 2 20:41:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA00820 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 20:41:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA00816 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 20:41:34 GMT Received: from hungchang@ca.slr.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (813) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA00811 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 20:41:34 GMT Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06122 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:40:51 -0800 Received: from dns.slr.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.3/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA29619; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 15:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ca.slr.com ([158.116.9.16]) by dns.slr.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02289; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:39:34 -0800 Received: from ccMail by ca.slr.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA852237445; Thu, 02 Jan 97 12:33:06 PST Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 12:33:06 PST From: "HungChang" Message-Id: <9700028522.AA852237445@ca.slr.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] ESPN foot volley Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello Netplayers, On Wed at 6pm, ESPN had a show called "Amazing Games". It's a show similar to "Unbelievable Sports". Anyway, it showed many amazing sports of Brazil and one of them was called 'foot volley'. They played the game with a soccer ball on the sand beach volleyball courts. The rules are similar to volleyball. Contact rules are like soccer or takraw; everything but the arms. Headers and chest bumps are common hits. There are foot contacts but usually shanky. Serve are done by placing the ball near the baseline and kicked over to the defensive side. Also, they kick bare-footed. IMO, this game seems fun especially for soccer players, requiring many soccer skills. However, when compared to takraw or footbag net, it lacks the excitement of spiking. Also, using a soccer ball does not seem to best idea for the game.(shanky when vollying bare footed) I believe the game would work better on grass. The tournament showned on tv showed many spectators due to the location. The size of the tournament seems smaller than a small footbag tournament. So far I know of five different foot volley games: takraw, footbag net, Brazil foot volley,Chinese shuttle cock net, and Vietnamese shuttle cock net. I feel footbag net have great potential internationaly although it might need some changes. HungChang@ca.slr.com San Jose CA (BAFL) p.s. If you know of any sources regarding Chinese shuttle cock net, I would love to hear about it. (ie videos) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Jan 4 02:50:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA03144 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 02:49:23 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA03140 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 02:49:21 GMT Received: from beelined@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3137) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA03135 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 02:49:20 GMT Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA14832 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:48:43 -0800 Received: from [204.31.227.74] (scz-ca8-10.ix.netcom.com [204.31.227.74]) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA25455 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:48:34 -0800 X-Sender: beelined@popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:56:18 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: beelined@ix.netcom.com (Karen Barnett) Subject: [footbag] This game needs an enema! (Net, that is..) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org It's no wonder this great game hasn't caught on more quickly with a name such as Footbag Net. Having a name like this can only be likened to calling tennis "Fuzzy Green Ball Raquet Net" or calling Soccer "Foot Leather Ball Goal". How can we settle for such a drab name. How about a name like Mag Ball, out of respect for one of the founders? Or something that commands respect like TURF or Toes-Over. I'd even settle for something vague like ZED (with respect for the current domination from the Great White North). Maybe singles and doubles could each have their own name . Imagine Duo-TURF. If you share my sentiments, please send your comments and join me in calling for a re-naming contest! We must prepare for the Olympics! Beau - Santa Cruz From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Jan 4 03:57:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA03337 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 03:56:56 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA03333 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 03:56:54 GMT Received: from brat@apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3330) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA03328 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 03:56:53 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15259 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 19:56:16 -0800 Received: from [204.188.8.42] (dialup3.Market.NET [204.188.8.42]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA14043 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 19:49:30 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: brat@research.apple.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 19:55:53 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: Re: [footbag] This game needs an enema! (Net, that is..) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 6:56 PM -0800 1/3/97, Beau Barnett wrote: >It's no wonder this great game hasn't caught on more quickly with a name >such as Footbag Net. Having a name like this can only be likened to >calling tennis "Fuzzy Green Ball Raquet Net" or calling Soccer "Foot >Leather Ball Goal". Actually, if it should be called anything, it should be called "Ultra Footbag". That's the name ("Ultra") that was given to the current net game to differentiate it from the earlier version of the game that really started the sport -- in the previous version of the game, you had 5 kicks in doubles, and you could use your knees. The "Ultra" game was the harder version that eventually took over. So it's kind of sad that the name "Ultra" didn't stick -- cause historically thats the name of the net sport of today... Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 5 01:06:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA00590 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:05:34 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA00586 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:05:31 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (583) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA00581 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:05:28 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.100.160]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00781 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:16:27 -0800 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.120.68]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id QAA18770; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id QAA17315; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:16:25 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:16:24 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand To: Karen Barnett cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] This game needs an enema! (Net, that is..) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org My vote is that we name it ZED. (paying respect to the cool movie Zardoz with Sean Connery). It won't devistate me if the name isn't changed to ZED; I like freestyle :) On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Karen Barnett wrote: > It's no wonder this great game hasn't caught on more quickly with a name > such as Footbag Net. Having a name like this can only be likened to > calling tennis "Fuzzy Green Ball Raquet Net" or calling Soccer "Foot > Leather Ball Goal". > > How can we settle for such a drab name. How about a name like Mag Ball, > out of respect for one of the founders? Or something that commands respect > like TURF or Toes-Over. I'd even settle for something vague like ZED (with > respect for the current domination from the Great White North). Maybe > singles and doubles could each have their own name . Imagine Duo-TURF. > > If you share my sentiments, please send your comments and join me in > calling for a re-naming contest! > > We must prepare for the Olympics! > > Beau - Santa Cruz > > > ******************************************************************************* Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow ******************************************************************************* From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 5 07:00:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA01586 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 07:00:41 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA01582 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 07:00:38 GMT Received: from durfduo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1578) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA01576 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 07:00:37 GMT From: Durfduo@aol.com Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA02331 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 22:59:55 -0800 Received: by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA00504; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:59:53 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:59:53 -0500 Message-ID: <970105015952_1889982718@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: shnik@connect.ab.ca, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Mall Demo Q's Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Andrew, I have not done any mall demos, although I have considered them especially in conjunction with tournament sponsorship/promotion. I have done a few demos for captive audiences and have a fair amount of experience with promoting footbag in general. I think the mall demo idea is great, but I wouldn't count on it to secure indoor kicking space for the season. Malls generally frown on recreational sports being played in the mall. Unless you can con them into weekly demos, you probably won't be allowed to kick there regularly. I recommend you try school gyms. You may need to obtain permission there, but you have a better chance of blending in and "looking like you belong there". Back to the mall demos, a few suggestions: You need to decide if you want to arrange the demo with the mall office or a particular store such as a sporting goods store. You must consider "what's in it for them". Is there a store that sells footbags or Rod Laver shoes or is looking to attract the kind of customer base that footbag appeals to? You may have a tough time working just with the mall office since they generally want events that they're sure will attract lots of customers. Promoting the demo is VERY important if you really want to attract people (as opposed to just having a place to kick for a day). Try to get the store to help with this. Radio stations, newspapers, posters, fliers, etc. are good ways to promote. As for a time schedule, I suggest you make it for a few hours and go with the flow. People will come and go. Hopefully you will be in a highly visible spot to passing mall traffic. If you want to create a few little routines or lessons, just use them when the opportunity presents itself (when you have a bunch of folks watching). Try to get people to participate and just have fun. Be sure to have some literature (such as WFA footbucks and copies of magazine articles) to give out and possibly some footbags, stickers, etc. to give away. Free stuff always attracts people! A table is a good idea, so is a bulletin board with pictures, articles, etc.. Try and look somewhat professional and organized! Let me know if you have any questions. Good luck! Scott Durfee Richmond, VA durfduo@aol.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 5 09:23:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA01586 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 07:00:41 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA01582 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 07:00:38 GMT Received: from durfduo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1578) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA01576 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 07:00:37 GMT From: Durfduo@aol.com Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA02331 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 22:59:55 -0800 Received: by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA00504; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:59:53 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:59:53 -0500 Message-ID: <970105015952_1889982718@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: shnik@connect.ab.ca, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Mall Demo Q's Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Andrew, I have not done any mall demos, although I have considered them especially in conjunction with tournament sponsorship/promotion. I have done a few demos for captive audiences and have a fair amount of experience with promoting footbag in general. I think the mall demo idea is great, but I wouldn't count on it to secure indoor kicking space for the season. Malls generally frown on recreational sports being played in the mall. Unless you can con them into weekly demos, you probably won't be allowed to kick there regularly. I recommend you try school gyms. You may need to obtain permission there, but you have a better chance of blending in and "looking like you belong there". Back to the mall demos, a few suggestions: You need to decide if you want to arrange the demo with the mall office or a particular store such as a sporting goods store. You must consider "what's in it for them". Is there a store that sells footbags or Rod Laver shoes or is looking to attract the kind of customer base that footbag appeals to? You may have a tough time working just with the mall office since they generally want events that they're sure will attract lots of customers. Promoting the demo is VERY important if you really want to attract people (as opposed to just having a place to kick for a day). Try to get the store to help with this. Radio stations, newspapers, posters, fliers, etc. are good ways to promote. As for a time schedule, I suggest you make it for a few hours and go with the flow. People will come and go. Hopefully you will be in a highly visible spot to passing mall traffic. If you want to create a few little routines or lessons, just use them when the opportunity presents itself (when you have a bunch of folks watching). Try to get people to participate and just have fun. Be sure to have some literature (such as WFA footbucks and copies of magazine articles) to give out and possibly some footbags, stickers, etc. to give away. Free stuff always attracts people! A table is a good idea, so is a bulletin board with pictures, articles, etc.. Try and look somewhat professional and organized! Let me know if you have any questions. Good luck! Scott Durfee Richmond, VA durfduo@aol.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 5 09:41:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA00590 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:05:34 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA00586 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:05:31 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (583) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA00581 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:05:28 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.100.160]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00781 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:16:27 -0800 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.120.68]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id QAA18770; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id QAA17315; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:16:25 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:16:24 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand To: Karen Barnett cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] This game needs an enema! (Net, that is..) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org My vote is that we name it ZED. (paying respect to the cool movie Zardoz with Sean Connery). It won't devistate me if the name isn't changed to ZED; I like freestyle :) On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Karen Barnett wrote: > It's no wonder this great game hasn't caught on more quickly with a name > such as Footbag Net. Having a name like this can only be likened to > calling tennis "Fuzzy Green Ball Raquet Net" or calling Soccer "Foot > Leather Ball Goal". > > How can we settle for such a drab name. How about a name like Mag Ball, > out of respect for one of the founders? Or something that commands respect > like TURF or Toes-Over. I'd even settle for something vague like ZED (with > respect for the current domination from the Great White North). Maybe > singles and doubles could each have their own name . Imagine Duo-TURF. > > If you share my sentiments, please send your comments and join me in > calling for a re-naming contest! > > We must prepare for the Olympics! > > Beau - Santa Cruz > > > ******************************************************************************* Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow ******************************************************************************* From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 5 11:42:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA01586 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 07:00:41 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA01582 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 07:00:38 GMT Received: from durfduo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1578) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA01576 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 07:00:37 GMT From: Durfduo@aol.com Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA02331 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 22:59:55 -0800 Received: by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA00504; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:59:53 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:59:53 -0500 Message-ID: <970105015952_1889982718@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: shnik@connect.ab.ca, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Mall Demo Q's Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Andrew, I have not done any mall demos, although I have considered them especially in conjunction with tournament sponsorship/promotion. I have done a few demos for captive audiences and have a fair amount of experience with promoting footbag in general. I think the mall demo idea is great, but I wouldn't count on it to secure indoor kicking space for the season. Malls generally frown on recreational sports being played in the mall. Unless you can con them into weekly demos, you probably won't be allowed to kick there regularly. I recommend you try school gyms. You may need to obtain permission there, but you have a better chance of blending in and "looking like you belong there". Back to the mall demos, a few suggestions: You need to decide if you want to arrange the demo with the mall office or a particular store such as a sporting goods store. You must consider "what's in it for them". Is there a store that sells footbags or Rod Laver shoes or is looking to attract the kind of customer base that footbag appeals to? You may have a tough time working just with the mall office since they generally want events that they're sure will attract lots of customers. Promoting the demo is VERY important if you really want to attract people (as opposed to just having a place to kick for a day). Try to get the store to help with this. Radio stations, newspapers, posters, fliers, etc. are good ways to promote. As for a time schedule, I suggest you make it for a few hours and go with the flow. People will come and go. Hopefully you will be in a highly visible spot to passing mall traffic. If you want to create a few little routines or lessons, just use them when the opportunity presents itself (when you have a bunch of folks watching). Try to get people to participate and just have fun. Be sure to have some literature (such as WFA footbucks and copies of magazine articles) to give out and possibly some footbags, stickers, etc. to give away. Free stuff always attracts people! A table is a good idea, so is a bulletin board with pictures, articles, etc.. Try and look somewhat professional and organized! Let me know if you have any questions. Good luck! Scott Durfee Richmond, VA durfduo@aol.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 5 11:56:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA00590 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:05:34 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA00586 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:05:31 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (583) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA00581 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:05:28 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.100.160]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00781 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:16:27 -0800 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.120.68]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id QAA18770; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id QAA17315; Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:16:25 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 16:16:24 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand To: Karen Barnett cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] This game needs an enema! (Net, that is..) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org My vote is that we name it ZED. (paying respect to the cool movie Zardoz with Sean Connery). It won't devistate me if the name isn't changed to ZED; I like freestyle :) On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Karen Barnett wrote: > It's no wonder this great game hasn't caught on more quickly with a name > such as Footbag Net. Having a name like this can only be likened to > calling tennis "Fuzzy Green Ball Raquet Net" or calling Soccer "Foot > Leather Ball Goal". > > How can we settle for such a drab name. How about a name like Mag Ball, > out of respect for one of the founders? Or something that commands respect > like TURF or Toes-Over. I'd even settle for something vague like ZED (with > respect for the current domination from the Great White North). Maybe > singles and doubles could each have their own name . Imagine Duo-TURF. > > If you share my sentiments, please send your comments and join me in > calling for a re-naming contest! > > We must prepare for the Olympics! > > Beau - Santa Cruz > > > ******************************************************************************* Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow ******************************************************************************* From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 5 17:39:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00426 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 17:38:32 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00422 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 17:38:30 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (419) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00417 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 17:38:29 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04942 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 09:37:43 -0800 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id MYH14879; Sun, 05 Jan 1997 12:36:40 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 12:29:43 PST Subject: [footbag] Re: Mall Demo Q's Message-ID: <19970105.123454.3566.0.dervish@juno.com> References: <970105015952_1889982718@emout13.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,14-16 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Sun, 5 Jan 1997 01:59:53 -0500 Durfduo@aol.com writes: > I recommend you try >school gyms. You may need to obtain permission there, but you have a >better chance of blending in and "looking like you belong there". Hey, Scott! How's the new address treatin' ya? I actually thought of something like this awhile back when I was looking for an indoor place to play - it gets too cold to play outside for a few months o the year, and most private gyms cost $500-$800 annually. The 'Y' wanted something like a hundred bucks an hour for a private room, and they thought I'd be distracting on the basketball court. But as private areas go, school gyms are awesome - the problem is usually that schools tend to rent their gyms way in advance (like a few months at a time or more) and I'm not so sure about outside NYC - here they charge big bucks; I guess everybody wants their hand in the cookie jar. JP From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 5 19:27:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA00170 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 19:26:34 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA00166 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 19:26:32 GMT Received: from jwolff@empower.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (163) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA00161 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 19:26:31 GMT Received: from exchange1.empower.com (exchange1.empower.com [206.4.70.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05344 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 11:25:40 -0800 Received: by exchange1.empower.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BBFB0C.1C8F8E10@exchange1.empower.com>; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 13:26:52 -0600 Message-ID: From: Jonathan Wolff To: "'Footbag Listserve'" Subject: Re: [footbag] This game needs an enema! (Net, that is..) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 13:26:46 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Encoding: 37 TEXT Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 6:56 PM -0800 1/3/97, Beau Barnett wrote: >>It's no wonder this great game hasn't caught on more quickly with a name >>such as Footbag Net. Having a name like this can only be likened to >>calling tennis "Fuzzy Green Ball Raquet Net" or calling Soccer "Foot >>Leather Ball Goal". >Actually, if it should be called anything, it should be called "Ultra >Footbag". That's the name ("Ultra") that was given to the current net game >to differentiate it from the earlier version of the game that really >started the sport -- in the previous version of the game, you had 5 kicks >in doubles, and you could use your knees. The "Ultra" game was the harder >version that eventually took over. So it's kind of sad that the name >"Ultra" didn't stick -- cause historically thats the name of the net sport >of today... > Steve As a former avid freestyle frisbee player, I see a lot of parallels between disc and footbag. One of the parallels is the two major games (three if you count golf). In frisbee, there is freestyle frisbee and frisbee football. Freestyle frisbee is referred to as simply "freestyle" and frisbee football is referred to as "Ultimate." Just as in footbag, the players are usually hard-core about their chosen discipline, and play either one or the other. Rarely both. The Ultimate players were fiercely proud of their sport, just as footbag net players are. In fact, just as in footbag, each group tended to question the legitimacy of the other. Anyhow, Ultimate players seemed to hate the name "frisbee football" and felt that "Ultimate" was a far better description of the game. I propose that footbag net players openly steal the name "Ultimate" from the frisbee community, or at least borrow it and not give it back. Jon Wolff Stylin' in Kansas City From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 5 19:51:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA00204 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 19:51:42 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA00200 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 19:51:41 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (197) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA00195 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 19:51:41 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05462 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 11:50:54 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA03367; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 11:50:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 11:50:48 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] "This game needs an enema" To: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org No, it doesn't. -juliet- p.s. by the way, I hear that the term "enema" is out & "colonic irrigation" is in. ;-) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 5 23:33:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03694 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:33:45 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03690 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:33:42 GMT Received: from the_sock@ihug.co.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3687) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03685 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:33:42 GMT Received: from ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06895 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 15:32:56 -0800 Received: from [203.29.161.80] (port842-Auck.ihug.co.nz [203.29.161.80]) by ihug.co.nz (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05362; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:35:50 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199701052335.MAA05362@ihug.co.nz> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "The Sock" To: Jonathan Wolff Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:34:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [footbag] This game needs an enema! (Net, that is..) CC: footbag@footbag.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Heya People, > I propose that footbag net players openly steal the name "Ultimate" > from the frisbee community, or at least borrow it and not give it back. But what happens to all the coverage that has been shown (IE ESPN footage)... I think Changing the name will result in the Hacky Sack/Footbag dilema... some will call it Net, some will call it Ultimate.. hmm, maybe some will call it Hacky Sack Net still... :) Hey Steve, put an online voting system up :) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 5 23:33:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03704 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:33:47 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03700 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:33:46 GMT Received: from the_sock@ihug.co.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3697) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03695 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:33:45 GMT Received: from ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06902 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 15:33:00 -0800 Received: from [203.29.161.80] (port842-Auck.ihug.co.nz [203.29.161.80]) by ihug.co.nz (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05379; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:35:52 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199701052335.MAA05379@ihug.co.nz> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "The Sock" To: Jonathan Wolff Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:39:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [footbag] This game needs an enema! (Net, that is..) CC: footbag@footbag.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Heya People, > I propose that footbag net players openly steal the name "Ultimate" > from the frisbee community, or at least borrow it and not give it back. But what happens to all the coverage that has been shown (IE ESPN footage)... I think Changing the name will result in the Hacky Sack/Footbag dilema... some will call it Net, some will call it Ultimate.. hmm, maybe some will call it Hacky Sack Net still... :) Hey Steve, put an online voting system up :) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 5 23:52:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03694 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:33:45 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03690 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:33:42 GMT Received: from the_sock@ihug.co.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3687) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03685 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:33:42 GMT Received: from ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06895 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 15:32:56 -0800 Received: from [203.29.161.80] (port842-Auck.ihug.co.nz [203.29.161.80]) by ihug.co.nz (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05362; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:35:50 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199701052335.MAA05362@ihug.co.nz> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "The Sock" To: Jonathan Wolff Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:34:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [footbag] This game needs an enema! (Net, that is..) CC: footbag@footbag.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Heya People, > I propose that footbag net players openly steal the name "Ultimate" > from the frisbee community, or at least borrow it and not give it back. But what happens to all the coverage that has been shown (IE ESPN footage)... I think Changing the name will result in the Hacky Sack/Footbag dilema... some will call it Net, some will call it Ultimate.. hmm, maybe some will call it Hacky Sack Net still... :) Hey Steve, put an online voting system up :) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 00:02:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03694 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:33:45 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03690 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:33:42 GMT Received: from the_sock@ihug.co.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3687) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03685 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:33:42 GMT Received: from ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06895 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 15:32:56 -0800 Received: from [203.29.161.80] (port842-Auck.ihug.co.nz [203.29.161.80]) by ihug.co.nz (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05362; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:35:50 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199701052335.MAA05362@ihug.co.nz> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "The Sock" To: Jonathan Wolff Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:34:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [footbag] This game needs an enema! (Net, that is..) CC: footbag@footbag.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Heya People, > I propose that footbag net players openly steal the name "Ultimate" > from the frisbee community, or at least borrow it and not give it back. But what happens to all the coverage that has been shown (IE ESPN footage)... I think Changing the name will result in the Hacky Sack/Footbag dilema... some will call it Net, some will call it Ultimate.. hmm, maybe some will call it Hacky Sack Net still... :) Hey Steve, put an online voting system up :) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 03:54:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA00348 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 03:53:51 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA00344 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 03:53:49 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (341) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA00339 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 03:53:48 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08086 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 19:53:03 -0800 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id WrX14879; Sun, 05 Jan 1997 22:51:42 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 22:49:55 PST Subject: Re: [footbag] This game needs an enema! (Net, that is..) Message-ID: <19970105.224956.3590.2.dervish@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5,7-8,12-14 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >I propose that footbag net players openly steal the name "Ultimate" from the frisbee community, or at >least borrow it and not give it back. >Stylin' in Kansas City Kansas City? Do you know Ross Newton, and why he keeps calling me? I've been getting messages from Texas since New Years'!!! Anyway, I agree with the idea of an actual name, but when I tell people I'm a freestyler they say, "vocals, vinyl, or bicycle?" so stealing another sport's 'tag' wouldn't be a great idea for differentiating the sport from its sister disciplines. But ultimate is a good description! JP From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 06:01:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA00650 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 06:01:08 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA00646 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 06:01:06 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (643) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA00641 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 06:01:06 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08592 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 22:00:52 -0800 Received: from [204.188.8.42] (dialup3.Market.NET [204.188.8.42]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA23444 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 21:54:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199701052335.MAA05362@ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 22:01:11 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: [footbag] The name of the game Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Damian Coventry wrote: >Hey Steve, put an online voting system up :) There's no need. We *have* a name for our sport -- it's called "footbag". I have said this many times before, but I'll say it again: If you don't want people to be confused, when someone walks up to you at a net game and asks you "what game is that?" you shouldn't say anything but "Footbag." Leave off the word "Net". It's FOOTBAG .. That's the game. If you're playing in a circle, kicking it around or doing heinous tricks, and someone asks you what the name of the game is, guess what? It's "Freestyle Footbag". When I talk to the media, or when I'm organizing a tournament looking for sponsors, etc., I generally refer to the net game as "footbag", and to the freestyle game as "freestyle footbag". There's no reason in my book to come up with another name for the net game -- net *is* the organized competitive sport around a footbag, so it's aptly named "Footbag". Other games, like freestyle and golf and consecs, can be so called completely unambiguously. So here's my vote: call the net game "Footbag" and call the other games by the adjectives (i.e., Freestyle Footbag, Footbag Golf, and Footbag Consecutives). Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 06:25:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA00758 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 06:25:06 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA00754 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 06:25:04 GMT Received: from jimmyc@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (751) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA00749 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 06:25:03 GMT Received: from ns1.aplatform.com (ns1.aplatform.com [204.29.139.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08714 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 22:24:48 -0800 Received: from [204.29.139.80] (jcaveney.aplatform.com [204.29.139.80]) by ns1.aplatform.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA30681 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 22:24:36 -0800 X-Sender: jcaveney@aplatform.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199701052335.MAA05362@ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 22:26:14 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Jim Caveney Subject: Re: [footbag] The name of the game Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Here here! Alas, 20 years ago would have been a better time to think up good names, but footbag it is. The game we play over the net *is* "footbag". Steve Goldberg wrote: >When I talk to the media, or when I'm organizing a tournament looking for >sponsors, etc., I generally refer to the net game as "footbag", and to the >freestyle game as "freestyle footbag". There's no reason in my book to >come up with another name for the net game -- net *is* the organized >competitive sport around a footbag, so it's aptly named "Footbag". Other >games, like freestyle and golf and consecs, can be so called completely >unambiguously. >So here's my vote: call the net game "Footbag" and call the other games by >the adjectives (i.e., Freestyle Footbag, Footbag Golf, and Footbag >Consecutives). > > Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 07:43:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA00915 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 07:43:28 GMT Received: from angelab@www.4ndesigns.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (872) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA00870 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 07:39:16 GMT Received: from www.4ndesigns.com (www.4ndesigns.com [207.102.145.161]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA09073 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:38:31 -0800 Received: (from angelab@localhost) by www.4ndesigns.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA06546; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:44:10 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 00:44:10 -0800 (PST) From: Angela B cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: Mall Demo Q's In-Reply-To: <19970105.123454.3566.0.dervish@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Josh Penney wrote: > 'Y' wanted something like a hundred bucks an hour for a private room, > and they thought I'd be distracting on the basketball court. But as > private areas go, school gyms are awesome - the problem is usually that > schools tend to rent their gyms way in advance (like a few months at a > time or more) and I'm not so sure about outside NYC - here they charge > big bucks; I guess everybody wants their hand in the cookie jar. I don't know if you guys have these in the states, but here we have community centres, and generally, if you're really really really nice to the people there they will allow you a pre person fee. Here we pay three fifty per person and we have to buy a yearly membership (generally five bucks). So, you might be able to manage something like that. You do however need to start being excessively nice several months in advance, and they like it if you can promise that at least 15 to 20 folks will show up... One of the community centres we use has a stage in the gym and a lot of folks use it for freestyle and for warming up, so you might also want to ask local schools and theatres if they would let you use their stage if all you want is a place to jam... nice high ceilings and a good floor :) Angela B. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 10:50:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA01204 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:50:22 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA01200 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:50:20 GMT Received: from trevorm@iinet.net.au () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1197) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA01195 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:50:19 GMT Received: from disco.iinet.net.au (disco.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10696 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 02:49:35 -0800 Received: from [203.59.0.111] (tango111.nv.iinet.net.au [203.59.0.111]) by disco.iinet.net.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA30632 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:49:21 +0800 Message-Id: <199701061049.SAA30632@disco.iinet.net.au> X-Sender: trevorm@mail.iinet.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:50:00 +0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: trevorm@iinet.net.au (Trevor Mazzucchelli) Subject: [footbag] Re: Footbag Digest V31 #53 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >From: ASGriff@aol.com >Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 11:24:44 -0500 >Subject: Re: [footbag] Commemorative Classic Results > >Hey it's great to hear footbag is alive and well in Oz. >I'm from Sydney but now living in Florida. Been here for 6 years. >In 1985 I was involved in the 'attempt' by Michael Cummins to launch "Hacky >Sack" in Sydney. Scott "Mag" Hughes and Lisa McDaniel came out to publicise >it. A "Footbug" (VW painted as a Hacky Sack, [copied from UK]) was used for >transport. Had a great time for 5 months but didnt make a cent or push the >sport too much! >We toured limited schools and shopping centers and had a magazine 'Hacky Sack >Yak' (only one issue done!). >In '86 the first (and only) NSW championships were held in the west of >Sydney. Only 8 competitors but OK nonetheless. >How many competitors did you get? Are Hacky Sacks (or any footbags) now >available in Australia? >Before my departure in 1990 I did some work for the guy who brought Sipa >Sipas to Sydney. He bought 30,000 and had no idea how to sell them. A >non-event basically. >Flying disc was huge in Perth, with the Aust. champions at distance, DDC, and >ultimate there a few years back. Is the scene still alive? >Anyway congrats on the consecutive title. How many kicks in 5 mins? It >would be interesting to also see these stats. > >ALAN, Florida, USA. Alan, sorry it's taken me a little while to reply. Wow, your efforts in 1985 sound amazing. *Hacky Sack Yak* eh? We put out a newsletter called *Footbagging Around* every now and then. To answer your questions: We had about 8 competitors for the Commemorative Classic. Hacky Sacks were around a few years ago but now seem to have disappeared. Cheetos footbags appeared briefly but then disappeared. Now a local brand, *Barefoot*, has become ubiquitous in Perth--certainly in sports stores and outdoor stores anyway. The fact that (i) *Sipa-sipas* are slowly becoming more common, (ii) Community Aid abroad sells croched pin cushions which they have relabled "hacky sacks" (because they shift more items this way), and (iii) I hear positive comments whenever I play with my *Glowmaster* in public (ordered from the WFA) makes me think that there's a definite demand for more here. Does your friend still have those 30,000 footbags? Flying disc? I can't really comment. Haven't seen too much of it around in Perth. With regard the number of consecutives--in the 300s. Good to hear from you. Cheers, Trevor -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trevor Mazzucchelli _--_|\ Perth, Western Australia Perth / \ trevorm@iinet.net.au -->\_.--._/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------v- From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 13:22:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA01535 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:22:33 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA01531 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:22:31 GMT Received: from bovine138@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1528) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA01526 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:22:31 GMT From: Bovine138@aol.com Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [15.253.88.10]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA11290 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 05:21:49 -0800 Received: from hpmpes2.cup.hp.com (daemon@hpmpes2.cup.hp.com [15.13.194.159]) by palrel3.hp.com with SMTP (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA27762 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 05:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from onet2.cup.hp.com by hpmpes2.cup.hp.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/15.5+IOS 3.20+cup+OMrelay) id AA26927; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 05:20:46 -0800 Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com (emout02.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.93]) by onet2.cup.hp.com with SMTP (8.7.6/8.7) id FAA03155 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 05:21:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA05075; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:19:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 08:19:17 -0500 Message-Id: <970106081915_1990813879@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: the_sock@ihug.co.nz, footbag@hpmpes2.cup.hp.com Subject: Re: [footbag] This game needs an enema! (Net, that is..) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org In a message dated 97-01-05 20:38:19 EST, you write: << maybe some will call it Hacky Sack Net still... :) >> This name will be for all time. and there is nothing that any of us can do about it. Bov.. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 18:39:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA02208 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:37:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA02201 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:37:51 GMT From: freefloe@continet.com Received: from freefloe@continet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2198) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA02196 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 18:37:50 GMT Received: from falcon.continet.com (WWW.FINF.COM [206.58.168.226]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12461 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:37:11 -0800 Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.58.169.70]) by falcon.continet.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-10248) with SMTP id AAB266 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:52:30 -0800 X-Sender: freefloe@continet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] new name Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:52:30 -0800 Message-ID: <19970106185226696.AAB266@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org As an Ultimate player I would strongly disagree with stealing their name for Footbag. You can go most go anywhere world-wide right now and say you play Ultimate and people will understand what you mean. We would continue to constatly be explaining, "No not ulitmate frisbee, Ultimate footbag..." then we might still have to explain what footbag is. Footbag is starting to be recognized by more and more non-competitors. I like the idea of calling the net game Footbag and having other events have qualifiers. This seems consistent with other sports. I'll run this by our club memebers and we'll start referring to it this way. peace, becca From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 19:05:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02280 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:05:17 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02276 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:05:16 GMT Received: from hungchang@ca.slr.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2273) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02271 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:05:16 GMT Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12650 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:04:37 -0800 Received: from dns.slr.com by relay1.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA05417; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:04:28 -0500 Received: from ca.slr.com ([158.116.9.16]) by dns.slr.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15744; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:04:25 -0800 Received: from ccMail by ca.slr.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA852577182; Mon, 06 Jan 97 10:26:15 PST Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 10:26:15 PST From: "HungChang" Message-Id: <9700068525.AA852577182@ca.slr.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re[2]: [footbag] The name of the game Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I believe the real problem is that most net players call their game "net" ,not "footbag net". Example: "let's play some net." However, the name "Net" is nondescriptive, while "footbag net" sounds corny. Yesterday, I was kicking in S.F.; on two separate occasions, someone walked by and commented, "Look! Hackyball!". :) Hung ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [footbag] The name of the game Author: Jim Caveney at uucpmail Date: 1/5/97 10:59 PM Here here! Alas, 20 years ago would have been a better time to think up good names, but footbag it is. The game we play over the net *is* "footbag". Steve Goldberg wrote: >When I talk to the media, or when I'm organizing a tournament looking for >sponsors, etc., I generally refer to the net game as "footbag", and to the >freestyle game as "freestyle footbag". There's no reason in my book to >come up with another name for the net game -- net *is* the organized >competitive sport around a footbag, so it's aptly named "Footbag". Other >games, like freestyle and golf and consecs, can be so called completely >unambiguously. >So here's my vote: call the net game "Footbag" and call the other games by >the adjectives (i.e., Freestyle Footbag, Footbag Golf, and Footbag >Consecutives). > > Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 20:43:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02707 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:43:37 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02703 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:43:35 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2700) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02698 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:43:35 GMT Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13581 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:43:26 -0800 Received: from IBM2 ([207.92.232.219]) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA04130 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:43:16 -0800 Received: by IBM2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BBFBD0.41167220@IBM2>; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:50:54 -0000 Message-ID: <01BBFBD0.41167220@IBM2> From: Mike Niday To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: [footbag] Re: The name of the game Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:50:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >So here's my vote: call the net game "Footbag" and call the other games by >the adjectives (i.e., Freestyle Footbag, Footbag Golf, and Footbag >Consecutives). > > Steve Ever since the day I started playing footbag (about 5 years ago), everyone has been calling footbag freestyle "footbag", and everyone has been calling footbag net "footbag net". Why, now, all of a sudden are we going to call footbag net "footbag", and footbag freestyle "freestyle footbag" ? It's complicated enough for the general public to grasp the term "footbag" instead of the term "hacky sack". However, if you ask any Joe off the street to explain what "hacky sack" is, he does not describe net, but freestyle. So then are we supposed to first tell him that it's not "hacky sack" anymore, but "footbag", and oh by the way, it's for net only now, and you must say "freestyle" first if it's the discipline he was thinking of in the first place, and then..... ????? Net might be the norm in the tight little circle ( ar ar ) of people who are involved in the sport on a non-trivial basis, but to the rest of the world, freestyle *is* "hacky sack". So if we're doing this name thing for the sake of the general public, then maybe we should think of the sport from their point of view for a moment before we come up with a solution. Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 21:03:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02780 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:03:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02776 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:03:53 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2773) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02771 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:03:52 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13844 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:03:02 -0800 Received: from [17.255.9.137] (microbrat.research.apple.com [17.255.9.137]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA28673 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:56:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BBFBD0.41167220@IBM2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:06:13 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: The name of the game Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 4:50 AM -0800 1/6/97, Mike Niday wrote: >Ever since the day I started playing footbag (about 5 years ago), everyone >has been calling footbag freestyle "footbag", and everyone has been >calling footbag net "footbag net". Why, now, all of a sudden are we going >to call footbag net "footbag", and footbag freestyle "freestyle footbag" ? Mike, with all due respect, you're full of it. :-) This sport (in all its forms) is called FOOTBAG and you should feel completely comfortable telling onlookers that freestyle footbag is simply "footbag" if you like. The point is this: if someone walks up to you and you're playing net, there's no point in saying "this is footbag net" when you can just say "this is footbag". Same with freestyle. But honestly, the spectator sport version of footbag (with a good chance of becoming a well-known televised event) is played over a net. Plain and simple. The media and the sponsors are much more interested in the net game in general, so I'm suggesting that people looking for more attention be careful not to waste their breath using an extra word ("net") when describing the sport. It just confuses people. The only time to use qualifiers is when *differentiating* among the specific disciplines. There's no point in using one when you're not differentiating. There's no point in confusing anyone -- so let's not do it. Let's just keep calling our sport, consistently, "footbag". An example of another sport that does this is gymnastics. There are many different forms of gymnastics. But when you talk about the sport in general, you just refer to it as "gymnastics". Nobody claims any one discipline is the only gymnastics discipline worthy of the unqualified title... Steve (you can't spell "Smoothe" without "the") Goldberg From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 21:04:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02797 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:04:02 GMT Message-Id: <199701062104.VAA02797@eniac.yak.net.taz> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 15:56:50 -0500 From: tuanvu <"tuanvu@erols.com"@erols.com> Organization: Immediate Temporaries MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: Re: [footbag] The name of the game Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Steven L. Goldberg wrote: > > >So here's my vote: call the net game "Footbag" and call the other games by > >the adjectives (i.e., Freestyle Footbag, Footbag Golf, and Footbag > >Consecutives). Well Steve, why should we call Footbag Net just "Footbag"? Why does net get the sole title of FOOTBAG. Let's call Footbag Golf "FOOTBAG" and the rest get the original titles of Footbag Net, Footbag Freestlye, Footbag Consecutives. I like the idea of calling it "Ultimate" but it has been proven that it didn't work out! Look back on 1984 when it the version we played today was called Ultimate. It was erased when the Ultimate game became the offical game of Footbag Net. It won't hurt to have a pool to see what people think about. Although, I don't think any changes should occur. Tu Vu (TOO Huge) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 21:47:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02881 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:47:12 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02877 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:47:11 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2874) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02871 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 21:47:11 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14156 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:46:32 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id NAA03069; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:46:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:46:09 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] Arizona Tourney To: footbag@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey all! An ad from Southwest Airlines appeared on the telly the other day, stating that they had a $29 return fare deal on. Seemed to be saying this applied to all of their flights! If you book at least a day in advance, and before Jan. 23. This interested some of us, who've been looking for an affordable way to get to the Arizona tourney on the 17th weekend. So I thought I'd pass this info. on. juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 22:24:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02970 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 22:24:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02966 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 22:24:02 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2963) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02961 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 22:24:01 GMT Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14481 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:23:53 -0800 Received: from IBM2 ([207.92.232.219]) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA27272 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:23:38 -0800 Received: by IBM2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BBFBDE.48EB9210@IBM2>; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:31:20 -0000 Message-ID: <01BBFBDE.48EB9210@IBM2> From: Mike Niday To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [footbag] Re: The name of the game Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:31:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Steve! :-) I *knew* I would get a lightning-fast response from you! :-) I know how you love to debate a subject. Well, I agree with you wholeheartedly that we should call footbag "footbag" and only use the qualifier to distinguish between disciplines. But let's be fair. Don't say that we should call footbag net "footbag" and call footbag freestyle "freestyle footbag". Either : 1. Call footbag net "footbag net" and footbag freestyle "footbag freestyle", or 2. Call footbag net "footbag" and call footbag freestyle "footbag", and then only use the qualifier to distinguish between disciplines. Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com P.S. So I guess that Tu Vu is full of it too... :-) ---------- From: Steven L. Goldberg Sent: Monday, January 06, 1997 9:06 PM To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: The name of the game At 4:50 AM -0800 1/6/97, Mike Niday wrote: >Ever since the day I started playing footbag (about 5 years ago), everyone >has been calling footbag freestyle "footbag", and everyone has been >calling footbag net "footbag net". Why, now, all of a sudden are we going >to call footbag net "footbag", and footbag freestyle "freestyle footbag" ? Mike, with all due respect, you're full of it. :-) This sport (in all its forms) is called FOOTBAG and you should feel completely comfortable telling onlookers that freestyle footbag is simply "footbag" if you like. The point is this: if someone walks up to you and you're playing net, there's no point in saying "this is footbag net" when you can just say "this is footbag". Same with freestyle. But honestly, the spectator sport version of footbag (with a good chance of becoming a well-known televised event) is played over a net. Plain and simple. The media and the sponsors are much more interested in the net game in general, so I'm suggesting that people looking for more attention be careful not to waste their breath using an extra word ("net") when describing the sport. It just confuses people. The only time to use qualifiers is when *differentiating* among the specific disciplines. There's no point in using one when you're not differentiating. There's no point in confusing anyone -- so let's not do it. Let's just keep calling our sport, consistently, "footbag". An example of another sport that does this is gymnastics. There are many different forms of gymnastics. But when you talk about the sport in general, you just refer to it as "gymnastics". Nobody claims any one discipline is the only gymnastics discipline worthy of the unqualified title... Steve (you can't spell "Smoothe" without "the") Goldberg From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 7 00:24:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA03428 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:23:42 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA03424 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:23:40 GMT Received: from edwin@griggs.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3421) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA03419 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:23:39 GMT Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15403 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:23:33 -0800 Received: from webserver.griggs.com (griggs.vip.best.com [204.156.141.105]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA00695 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from webserver.griggs.com by webserver.griggs.com (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id la000479 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:25:18 +0100 X-Sender: edwin@192.168.0.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org From: edwin@griggs.com (edwin) Subject: [footbag] The name of the game Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:25:18 +0100 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >> Call footbag net "footbag" and call footbag freestyle "footbag", and then >> only use the qualifier to distinguish between disciplines. Sounds good to me. I've often had to tell passersby the "name of the game" is "Footbag net", and they might just understand after I've repeated it 3 or 4 times (I suspect some just finally nod their heads, not quite understanding). Just plain "footbag" will certainly be easier to explain, but I just thought I would throw this out - more than once, a friend or aquaintance will bring the subject of footbag up, and remembering that the term "hacky sack" is NOT preferred, but forgetting just what to call it, will simply call it "kick-bag". Short, to the point and easily remembered. Comments? -edwin From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 7 01:54:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA00205 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:53:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA00201 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:53:34 GMT Received: from hungchang@ca.slr.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (198) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA00196 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:53:34 GMT Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA16052 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:53:13 -0800 Received: from dns.slr.com by relay1.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id UAA09097; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:53:10 -0500 Received: from ca.slr.com ([158.116.9.16]) by dns.slr.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22568; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:53:17 -0800 Received: from ccMail by ca.slr.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA852601735; Mon, 06 Jan 97 17:42:38 PST Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 17:42:38 PST From: "HungChang" Message-Id: <9700068526.AA852601735@ca.slr.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] The name of the game Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I believe the real problem is that most net players call their game "net" ,not "footbag net". Example: "let's play some net." However, the name "Net" is nondescriptive, while "footbag net" or even "footbag" sounds awkward. Yesterday, I was kicking in S.F.; on two separate occasions, someone walked by and commented, "Look! Hackyball!". I smiled and said,"Isn't Hackyball cool!" :) Hung ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [footbag] The name of the game Author: Jim Caveney at uucpmail Date: 1/5/97 10:59 PM Here here! Alas, 20 years ago would have been a better time to think up good names, but footbag it is. The game we play over the net *is* "footbag". Steve Goldberg wrote: >When I talk to the media, or when I'm organizing a tournament looking for >sponsors, etc., I generally refer to the net game as "footbag", and to the >freestyle game as "freestyle footbag". There's no reason in my book to >come up with another name for the net game -- net *is* the organized >competitive sport around a footbag, so it's aptly named "Footbag". Other >games, like freestyle and golf and consecs, can be so called completely >unambiguously. >So here's my vote: call the net game "Footbag" and call the other games by >the adjectives (i.e., Freestyle Footbag, Footbag Golf, and Footbag >Consecutives). > > Steve Received: from dns.slr.com by ca.slr.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Mon, 06 Jan 97 12:28:31 PST Return-Path: Received: from eniac.yak.net by dns.slr.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17376; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 12:28:39 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02280 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:05:17 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02276 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:05:16 GMT Received: from hungchang@ca.slr.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2273) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02271 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 19:05:16 GMT Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12650 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:04:37 -0800 Received: from dns.slr.com by relay1.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id OAA05417; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:04:28 -0500 Received: from ca.slr.com ([158.116.9.16]) by dns.slr.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15744; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:04:25 -0800 Received: from ccMail by ca.slr.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA852577182; Mon, 06 Jan 97 10:26:15 PST Date: Mon, 06 Jan 97 10:26:15 PST From: "HungChang" Message-Id: <9700068525.AA852577182@ca.slr.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re[2]: [footbag] The name of the game Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 7 02:23:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA03428 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:23:42 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA03424 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:23:40 GMT Received: from edwin@griggs.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3421) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA03419 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:23:39 GMT Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15403 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:23:33 -0800 Received: from webserver.griggs.com (griggs.vip.best.com [204.156.141.105]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA00695 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from webserver.griggs.com by webserver.griggs.com (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id la000479 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:25:18 +0100 X-Sender: edwin@192.168.0.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org From: edwin@griggs.com (edwin) Subject: [footbag] The name of the game Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:25:18 +0100 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >> Call footbag net "footbag" and call footbag freestyle "footbag", and then >> only use the qualifier to distinguish between disciplines. Sounds good to me. I've often had to tell passersby the "name of the game" is "Footbag net", and they might just understand after I've repeated it 3 or 4 times (I suspect some just finally nod their heads, not quite understanding). Just plain "footbag" will certainly be easier to explain, but I just thought I would throw this out - more than once, a friend or aquaintance will bring the subject of footbag up, and remembering that the term "hacky sack" is NOT preferred, but forgetting just what to call it, will simply call it "kick-bag". Short, to the point and easily remembered. 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Scott & Barbara Durfduo@aol.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 7 17:03:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01425 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:01:39 GMT Received: from jsymons@hpmfas1.cup.hp.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1392) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA01390 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:52:09 GMT Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [15.253.88.10]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21079 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:51:17 -0800 Received: from hpmfas1.cup.hp.com (hpmfac6.cup.hp.com [15.13.170.141]) by palrel3.hp.com with SMTP (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA19335 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:51:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by hpmfas1.cup.hp.com (1.38.193.4/15.5+IOS 3.20+cup+OMrelay) id AA22517; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:49:58 -0800 From: jsymons@hpmfas1.cup.hp.com (Julie Symons) Message-Id: <9701070849.ZM22515@hpmfac6.cup.hp.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:49:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] rides to phoenix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Is anyone driving to the Phoenix tournament via the SF Bay Area? -- From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 7 17:47:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01534 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:47:13 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01530 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:47:12 GMT Received: from swingert@creighton.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1527) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01525 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:47:11 GMT Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.15]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21444 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:46:48 -0800 Received: from p1-65.top.net by mailjay.creighton.edu with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA27428; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:46:30 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970107113453.0067b120@bluejay.creighton.edu> X-Sender: swingert@bluejay.creighton.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 beta 4 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 11:36:07 -0600 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Sean Wingert Subject: [footbag] The "Footbag Net" Debate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Steve Goldberg wrote: >This sport (in all its forms) is called FOOTBAG and you should feel >completely comfortable telling onlookers that freestyle footbag is simply >"footbag" if you like. The point is this: if someone walks up to you and >you're playing net, there's no point in saying "this is footbag net" when >you can just say "this is footbag". Same with freestyle. I agree with Steve. If Joe Blow notices you playing footbag across a net, and asks, "Hey, what are you playing?" The answer is footbag. Or, if he sees you playing freestyle footbag and asks that question, the answer is still footbag. However, during your net game, if he says, "I thought footbag was just kicking in a circle," the adjectives should be used to differentiate disciplines. It seems to me that changing the name of the net game was proposed to enhance public awareness of the sport. But, widespread awareness of any sport comes from quality public relations (ie. unlike the ESPN flub) and promotions. In my opinion, calling footbag net something else won't increase the popularity of the sport. But, calling all disciplines "footbag" to the layman would. And, for spectators who are more knowledgable, adjectives like "freestyle," "net," "golf," and "consecutives" would clarify not complicate. - Sean Wingert /------------------------------------------\ | | | Sean Wingert | | Founding President | | O Creighton University | | / | \/ FootBag Club | | / | | | / \ o | | / \/ | | \ | | For more information: | | www.top.net/footbag | | ------ (402) 280-3750 | \------------------------------------------/ From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 7 17:59:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01573 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:59:54 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01569 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:59:53 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1566) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01564 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:59:53 GMT Received: from psycfrnd.interaccess.com (psycfrnd.interaccess.com [198.80.0.26]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21492 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:59:07 -0800 Received: from [207.70.66.193] (d193.cloud.interaccess.com [207.70.66.193]) by psycfrnd.interaccess.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA05743; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:58:55 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:04:20 -0500 To: "Steven L. Goldberg" , footbag@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: The name of the game Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Steve and Everyone! >But honestly, the spectator sport version of footbag (with a good chance of >becoming a well-known televised event) is played over a net. Plain and >simple. The media and the sponsors are much more interested in the net >game in general, so I'm suggesting that people looking for more attention >be careful not to waste their breath using an extra word ("net") when >describing the sport. It just confuses people. The only time to use >qualifiers is when *differentiating* among the specific disciplines. >There's no point in using one when you're not differentiating. There's no >point in confusing anyone -- so let's not do it. Let's just keep calling >our sport, consistently, "footbag". One word, wasting breath? I do NOT think so. I had responded to Steve in private supporting his naming conventions, but I do not believe I understood it then, like I do now. I believe the sport of Footbag stands alone. NOT as Net, NOT as Freestyle, but as FOOTBAG. When talking about the sport of footbag, one may mention the three disciplines: Footbag Freestyle, Footbag Net and Footbag Consecutives (some errant soles ;-} may mention net before freestyle, but freestylers know better :-} ) We the competitors in the sport of footbag have been spending much of our time getting people to call what we do "Footbag" and not the HS word. Another big issue, is that by making the word "Footbag" refer to the specific sport of "Footbag Net" then you are trivializing the efforts of the freestylers, who not only work *at least* as hard as net players, but there are MANY more freestylers (in the loose sense of the word) than there are net players (no matter how loose you make the word). Changing the meaning of the word footbag to mean "footbag net" would be demeaning to freestylers (and even to consecutives players, who ARE the root and basis for our sport) and would be counter productive for the sport. (At least, I would feel slighted by any attempts to change the name like that). However, I have always liked the "Ultra" word to describe net, but we missed the boat on that about 10 years ago. Also that has a problem, unless you like the sound of "Singles Ultra" or "Doubles Ultra". Too late. Lets stick with what we have. There are many >different forms of gymnastics. But when you talk about the sport in >general, you just refer to it as "gymnastics". Nobody claims any one >discipline is the only gymnastics discipline worthy of the unqualified >title... Now that sounds a lot like the way it is right now for the sport of footbag. If it aint broke, don't fix it. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 7 18:07:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01648 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:06:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01644 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:06:52 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1641) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01639 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:06:52 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21575 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:06:37 -0800 Received: from [204.188.8.42] (dialup3.Market.NET [204.188.8.42]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA06304 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:59:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970107113453.0067b120@bluejay.creighton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:06:50 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: Re: [footbag] The "Footbag Net" Debate Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 9:36 AM -0800 1/7/97, Sean Wingert wrote: >But, widespread awareness of any >sport comes from quality public relations (ie. unlike the ESPN flub) and >promotions. Well, hold on, I wouldn't say the ESPN coverage was a "flub". On the contrary, it was one of the most sports-oriented features of footbag I've seen. We usually end up getting treated like a freak show and the journalists feel an intense need to make puns about kicking and poke fun at us. While the story may have started out like that, it quickly moved to show that footbag is a serious sport for those who played it. Yes, it deemphasized freestyle, and yes it failed to show doubles net play, but still, it was more positive than negative (and if you'd seen some of the crappy stories we've had done about us, you'd agree with me that this one wasn't so bad after all). But yes, the rest of what you said is true -- the name is not our problem, at least not in my opinion. "Footbag" is just as viable a name as any, and we now have a *lot* of momentum behind the name. In all parts of the globe we're making headway (although clearly at different rates) on recognition of the name "footbag". It usually evokes the response "You mean like Hacky Sack?" but more and more I am able to have complete conversations with media and passersby alike who never once evoke that trademark and happily adopt the label. And in fact, we don't really have a problem! (Never thought you'd hear that from me, eh?) But seriously, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Footbag as a sport is growing very fast right now, at least as far as I'm concerned. Just look at the record-breaking year we had last year at several important tournaments, as well as the usage statistics for Footbag WorldWide (the on-line resource). Perhaps footbag sales aren't at their highest, but public awareness of the sport is growing by leaps and bounds (no pun intended) and there are more new players coming in today than at any point in my (admittedly non-expansive) memory. In fact, I worry that we'll have to limit attendance at this year's Worlds to keep the event within the already-harrowing 7-day schedule. Steve P.S. But if folks really want to change the name, how about getting on the bandwagon with the French and calling it "Pitchball"?! :-) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 7 18:15:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01700 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:15:23 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01696 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:15:22 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1693) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01691 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:15:22 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21662 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:15:07 -0800 Received: from [204.188.8.42] (dialup3.Market.NET [204.188.8.42]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA06429 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:07:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:13:24 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: The name of the game Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 9:04 AM -0800 1/7/97, Scott Davidson wrote: >Another big issue, is that by making the word "Footbag" refer to the >specific sport of "Footbag Net" then you are trivializing the efforts of >the freestylers, who not only work *at least* as hard as net players, Holy hacky-sack, Batman! Scott you can calm down now... :-) Nobody's trivializing anything or anyone. How many times do I have to say this? "Footbag" means all disciplines unless you're specifically differentiating on close examination. However, the words "freestyle footbag" flow together and make a lot more sense than the words "footbag net" (which is what started this whole thing -- that the words "footbag net" were awkward and confusing to the casual listener). There's *nothing* diminuitive about adding the word "freestyle" to the front of "footbag"! It's *both*, for goodness' sake -- both freestyle *and* footbag. It's great, I tell you, great! Ah hah hah, we will take over both words! Yeah! Wahoo! Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 7 18:26:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01742 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:26:56 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01738 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:26:55 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1735) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01733 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:26:55 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21703 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:26:07 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA16651; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:25:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:25:44 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] Footbag: The Name of the Game Is To: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org *click* "caller are you there?" "...hello?" "Hello." "...uh, hi!...uh, yeah, well, I just wanted to say first off that my vote is for sticking with Footbag! ... And, uh,...I also wanted to say that, I mean, Ultra might have gone over well if it actually had, you know...kinda stuck, you know... But that hey, well, to me, you know, it just kinda sounds like laundry detergent...But, hey, that's just me......ummm...yeah, thanks." *click* From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 7 19:16:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01971 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:16:23 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01967 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:16:22 GMT Received: from edwin@griggs.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1964) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA01962 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:16:21 GMT Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21956 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:15:36 -0800 Received: from webserver.griggs.com (griggs.vip.best.com [204.156.141.105]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA29423 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from webserver.griggs.com by webserver.griggs.com (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id ra000485 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:15:43 +0100 X-Sender: edwin@192.168.0.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org From: edwin@griggs.com (edwin) Subject: [footbag] The name of the game Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:15:43 +0100 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >>(... what started this whole thing -- that the words "footbag net" were >> awkward and confusing to the casual listener). I just had an idea! I'll just draw a picture of a foot on a paper bag, and just point at it next time someone asks! ( A picture is worth a thousand words...) -edwin From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 7 19:26:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02013 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:26:28 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02009 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:26:27 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2006) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02004 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:26:27 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22036 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:26:06 -0800 Received: from [204.188.8.42] (dialup3.Market.NET [204.188.8.42]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA07070 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:19:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:26:22 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: Re: [footbag] The name of the game Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 2:15 AM -0800 1/7/97, edwin wrote: >I just had an idea! I'll just draw a picture of a foot on a paper bag, and >just point at it next time someone asks! ( A picture is worth a thousand >words...) That reminds me of a hilarious phone call I got on the site cellphone at the Western Regionals last May... This woman saw the listing "Footbag Tournament at Stanford" in the paper, and called the number. When I answered: --- The woman asked, "What time does the race begin?" I was confused. I said, "Sorry, which race are you talking about?" "Well, the 'foot-sack' race. Isn't this the Western Regional Foot-Sack Championships"?! :-) Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 7 21:09:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02328 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:09:01 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02324 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:09:00 GMT Received: from ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2321) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02319 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 21:08:55 GMT Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22656; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 13:08:01 -0800 Received: from coinc0 (coinc0 [198.209.253.6]) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19169; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:07:48 -0600 (CST) Received: by coinc0 (SMI-8.6) id PAA13498; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:07:46 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:07:46 -0600 (CST) From: Ida Bettis Fogle X-Sender: ifogle@coinc0 To: Scott Davidson cc: "Steven L. Goldberg" , footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: The name of the game In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Scott Davidson wrote: > > I believe the sport of Footbag stands alone. NOT as Net, NOT as Freestyle, > but as FOOTBAG. > When talking about the sport of footbag, one may mention the three > disciplines: Footbag Freestyle, Footbag Net and Footbag Consecutives (some > errant soles ;-} may mention net before freestyle, but freestylers know > better :-} ) > > We the competitors in the sport of footbag have been spending much of our > time getting people to call what we do "Footbag" and not the HS word. > Another big issue, is that by making the word "Footbag" refer to the > specific sport of "Footbag Net" then you are trivializing the efforts of > the freestylers, who not only work *at least* as hard as net players, but > there are MANY more freestylers (in the loose sense of the word) than there > are net players (no matter how loose you make the word). Changing the > meaning of the word footbag to mean "footbag net" would be demeaning to > freestylers (and even to consecutives players, who ARE the root and basis > for our sport) Thank you, Scott - I'm touched. and would be counter productive for the sport. (At least, I > would feel slighted by any attempts to change the name like that). > However, I have always liked the "Ultra" word to describe net, but we > missed the boat on that about 10 years ago. Also that has a problem, > unless you like the sound of "Singles Ultra" or "Doubles Ultra". Too late. > Lets stick with what we have. > I agree. It's too late to change the name now. We've already been too successful in making people aware of the sport. Footbag is what it is & we'll just have to live with it. > There are many > >different forms of gymnastics. But when you talk about the sport in > >general, you just refer to it as "gymnastics". Nobody claims any one > >discipline is the only gymnastics discipline worthy of the unqualified > >title... > > Now that sounds a lot like the way it is right now for the sport of > footbag. If it aint broke, don't fix it. Here, here! Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 8 17:12:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA05628 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:10:37 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA05624 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:10:35 GMT Received: from a961441@myy.helbp.fi () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5621) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA05619 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:10:35 GMT Received: from myy.helbp.fi (myy.helbp.fi [193.166.14.9]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28606 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:09:58 -0800 Received: from localhost by myy.helbp.fi with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA002533431; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:10:31 +0200 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:10:31 +0200 (EET) From: Justus Sexton To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: the name of the game Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Here in Finland we have never had really problems with the name Hacky Sack because the the sport was brought in to the country as FOOTBAG (notice the capital letters). Players here are mostly intermediate freestyle players and when spectators and media sees us starting to play net after a freestyle session they usually ask the question; "So what kind of a game is this then?", and my answer is, "This game is also footbag, but this is just a different version of it, the version you saw earlier is the freestyle version andthe one you are seeing now is the net version".I think it is better to answer like that than try to start to explain to them that actually this net games name is really footbag and the one is actually just freestyle. Well however...my point is that when you are dealing with media, do it any way you want but just try to keep it as simple and understandable as you can...I am still having lots of troubles with that. And also remember to make it look as cool as you can even if you have to make up little stories (what the heck, theyll' never know). Here we have had lots of luck with the media, and a lot of people now the game and it's name (even the old farts), but because we decided not to try to translate the name FOOTBAG to any Finnish version people here have problems saying or spelling the name, here is just a few that has been on the news papers and on TV: Bag Foot, Foodbag, Footback, Foot bak, Voodbag and so on... My is opinion is that we should keep the name situation as it is and not to change it any dramatik way because that will only confuse new players and spectators. Happy New Year to all of you, Justin Sexton (the director of Finnish Footbag Association) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 13 17:30:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01925 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:28:10 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01921 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:28:09 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1918) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01916 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:28:08 GMT Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01320 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:27:40 -0800 Received: from IBM2 ([207.92.232.219]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA12390 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:27:37 -0800 Received: by IBM2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BC0135.0A4F39B0@IBM2>; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:34:57 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC0135.0A4F39B0@IBM2> From: Mike Niday To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: [footbag] RE: [freestyle] 5-Add Question Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:34:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Sean! :-) Yeah, I'm hittin' Ripwalk Swirl ( I think that's what you're talking about... ) You should see Josh Casey - he hits it like it's nothin' ! Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com ---------- From: Sean Wingert Sent: Saturday, January 11, 1997 2:46 PM To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] 5-Add Question I was wondering if anyone out there has tried this: 1. Start from clipper stall. 2. Do a RipWalk, but instead of ending in a butterfly stall, end in a butterfly swirl stall. 3. (dex, dex, dex, cross-body, delay) = 5 Adds (I think). If so, is there a namesake? - Sean From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 17:05:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA07940 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:03:47 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA07936 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:03:44 GMT From: freefloe@continet.com Received: from freefloe@continet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (7933) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA07931 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:03:43 GMT Received: from falcon.continet.com (FALCON.CONTINET.COM [206.58.168.254]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13265 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:03:24 -0800 Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.58.169.66]) by falcon.continet.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-10248) with SMTP id AAA86 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:19:09 -0800 X-Sender: freefloe@continet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] being aware in circles Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:19:09 -0800 Message-ID: <19970115171900676.AAA86@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >go for it with a kick - hand meets foot. Ouch! I've seen it happen! >Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu >Josh Penny wrote: >Huh... once I doveon the middle of the circle to snag the bag on my >shoulder and got kicked in the head. You'd better believe it happens... Dennis told me about the time he was in a circle and watched Kevin Courtney (maker of the awesome footbag screen saver) go for a neck catch at the same time Reed Gray was going for a sole kick. Both these guys are big. Reed kicked Kevin under the chin. Kevin's teeth went flying and he landed on his butt. After hearig this I don't do neck catches into the center of circles. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 17:38:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA08080 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:38:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA08070 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:38:51 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8067) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA08065; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:38:51 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13515; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:38:33 -0800 Received: from [204.188.8.42] (dialup3.Market.NET [204.188.8.42]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA16103; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:31:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:38:53 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: [footbag] Netiquette Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi everyone. Sorry to bug you but I see a pattern developing and I'd like to nip it in the bud if I can. Now that we have multiple mailing lists, it's vital that everyone remember which list is which when posting. When sending a new message, try to make sure you direct it to the list where it makes the most sense (see below). When replying or following up to a message on one of the lists, please look at the []'s in the subject line of the message you're referring to, and/or the To: and Cc: lines, before sending your message. Try to remember that those people who are on another list may not have seen any of the messages to which you're referring if you reply to the wrong list. The current global/public footbag lists are: footbag@footbag.org General Discussion (no freestyle) freestyle@footbag.org Freestyle Discussion Only announce@footbag.org Announcements Only (moderated) Also, it's significantly easier for people to follow various threads of discussion if you *reply* instead of creating a new message. The "Subject:" line, if used correctly (which most mailers do on replies) can help everyone tell which message relates to which topic. Either way, always take it upon yourself to verify the To: and Cc: lines of your outgoing mail before you send it. Thanks. Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 16 04:25:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA10857 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 04:23:26 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA10853 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 04:23:24 GMT Received: from aardment@teleport.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (10850) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA10848 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 04:23:23 GMT Received: from kim.teleport.com (kim.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17449 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:23:10 -0800 Received: from aardment (ip-pdx23-09.teleport.com [206.163.126.46]) by kim.teleport.com (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA12243 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:22:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970115202305.0069476c@mail.teleport.com> X-Sender: aardment@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:23:07 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Kevin J. Courtney" Subject: [footbag] Re: being aware in circles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >>Huh... once I doveon the middle of the circle to snag the bag on my >>shoulder and got kicked in the head. You'd better believe it happens... > >Dennis told me about the time he was in a circle and watched Kevin Courtney >(maker of the awesome footbag screen saver) go for a neck catch at the same >time Reed Gray was going for a sole kick. Both these guys are big. Reed >kicked Kevin under the chin. Kevin's teeth went flying and he landed on his >butt. After hearig this I don't do neck catches into the center of circles. Ever since then I hestitate doing those kneck catches in the center of the circles. Reed and I still joke how he's my orthodontist....he did do a good job at it, very clean extractions. (although it was my fault as I was a bit out of control).... Kevin J. Courtney _______________________________________________ aardment@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~aardment From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 17 04:36:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA15389 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 04:35:45 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA15385 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 04:35:43 GMT Received: from ukickit@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (15382) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA15380 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 04:35:42 GMT Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA06552 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:35:38 -0800 Received: from (ukickit@por-or10-09.ix.netcom.com [204.31.113.137]) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA20701 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:35:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:35:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199701170435.UAA20701@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> From: ukickit@ix.netcom.com (Ken Shults) Subject: [footbag] being aware in circles To: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org One time last summer I went for a Scorpion Tail (Spinning Down Double)and stepped on my clipper stall foot with my down double foot and fell flat on my face. Kenny Shults P.S. This event was shown from twice from two camera angles and in slow motion on national television. Now there's a pain that'll linger. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 17 08:08:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA16315 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:08:34 GMT Received: from knr@netcom.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (15176) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA15174 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 03:31:55 GMT Received: from tor-srs1.netcom.ca (tor-srs1.netcom.ca [207.93.1.148]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06327 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:31:51 -0800 Received: from capppknr by tor-srs1.netcom.ca (8.7.5/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id WAA12538; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:31:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701170331.WAA12538@tor-srs1.netcom.ca> From: "Kevin Riemer & Sharon Speck" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Hivernal "Windchill" Tournament Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:31:32 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Planning to be at Montreal's Windchill Tournament, February 1 and 2? Competing freestyle? If you've answered yes to both questions, e-mail us and let us know. If you know others that aren't e-mail connected and will be attending, we'd like their names too. Yves promises the more freestylers, the better the venue. Looking forward to seeing you all in Montreal!! Sharon & Kevin From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 17 12:46:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA17030 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:45:57 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA17026 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:45:55 GMT From: a961441@myy.helbp.fi Received: from a961441@myy.helbp.fi () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (17023) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA17021 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 12:45:54 GMT Received: from myy.helbp.fi (myy.helbp.fi [193.166.14.9]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA08711 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 04:45:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199701171245.EAA08711@Market.NET> Received: from oppi915 (oppi77.slk.helbp.fi) by myy.helbp.fi with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA036965181; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:46:21 +0200 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:46:21 +0200 X-Sender: a961441@myy.helbp.fi X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Night in SF Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey you all, My name is Justin Sexton, and I am the director of Finnish Footbag Association. I am travelling to Portland for the Heart of Freestyle Footbag tournament next February. I will be travelling through San Francisco. I arrive to SF on the 13th 2:18 PM and my flight to Portland leaves on the 14 th 12:15. So I was wondering if there is anybody on the list who lives close to the SF airport, and who I could stay at for that night (February 13th-14th), I would also love to play some net or freestyle. Or should I say: I would also love to play some footbag or freestyle footbag... Just kidding Steve ;->. Justin From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 17 22:21:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02512 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:20:30 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02508 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:20:29 GMT Received: from ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2505) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02503 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:20:28 GMT Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11097 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:19:49 -0800 Received: from coinc0 (coinc0 [198.209.253.6]) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18192; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:19:46 -0600 (CST) Received: by coinc0 (SMI-8.6) id QAA01283; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:19:45 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:19:45 -0600 (CST) From: Ida Bettis Fogle X-Sender: ifogle@coinc0 To: Ken Shults cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] being aware in circles In-Reply-To: <199701170435.UAA20701@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Thu, 16 Jan 1997, Ken Shults wrote: > One time last summer I went for a Scorpion Tail (Spinning Down > Double)and stepped on my clipper stall foot with my down double foot > and fell flat on my face. > > Kenny Shults > > P.S. This event was shown from twice from two camera angles and in > slow motion on national television. Now there's a pain that'll linger. > Okay, airing a pet peeve. If a television camera crew was filming Kenny, then surely they had *good* footage of probably dozens of awesome combos they could have shown. Why did they pick the one time he fell to show on tv? Anyone can fall. Why didn't they focus on the stuff he did that not just anyone can do? Okay, two soapbox lectures are enough for one day. I'm done. Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 17 22:48:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02721 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:48:54 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02717 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:48:53 GMT Received: from thethomas3@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2714) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02712 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:48:53 GMT From: TheThomas3@aol.com Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11297 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:48:14 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA08057 for footbag@footbag.org; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:48:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:48:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970117174807_1311214588@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Fellow Footbagger ties knot. Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Congrats to Tim Vozar and his lovely bride Margaret. May you share happiness, health ,and many laughs and kicks. Just for kicks, Heather From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 17 23:50:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03011 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:50:19 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03007 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:50:18 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3004) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03002 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:50:18 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11632 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:49:40 -0800 Received: from [17.255.9.137] (microbrat.research.apple.com [17.255.9.137]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA14413 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:42:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199701170435.UAA20701@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:52:42 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: Re: [footbag] being aware in circles Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org For those of you who wonder why we're talking about this, unfortunately this conversation has spilled over from the freestyle list because of a misaddressed message.. So we're kind of carrying it on on both lists. If folks want to move it back to freestyle, that'd be cool. But perhaps it is interesting to the general group. At 2:19 PM -0800 1/17/97, Ida Bettis Fogle wrote: >Okay, airing a pet peeve. If a television camera crew was filming Kenny, >then surely they had *good* footage of probably dozens of awesome combos >they could have shown. Why did they pick the one time he fell to show on >tv? Anyone can fall. Why didn't they focus on the stuff he did that not >just anyone can do? Well, Ida, we can't be too upset. The ESPN broadcast was definitely a *net*-centric show, which is fine because Net needs to be seen. Not every show can be about every aspect of the sport -- when that happens, usually, they dilute both sports. So this time they dissed freestyle a little (but not a lot, actually). So we win some, we lose some. Or, for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. Or you get what you pay for. Or a penny saved is a penny earned. Oh, sorry. :-) Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Jan 18 18:09:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA05793 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:07:18 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA05789 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:07:16 GMT Received: from killroy101@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5786) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA05784 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 18:07:15 GMT From: Killroy101@aol.com Received: from emout02.mail.aol.com (emout02.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.93]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16146 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 10:06:46 -0800 Received: by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA08922 for footbag@footbag.org; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:06:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:06:45 -0500 Message-ID: <970118130644_2090454032@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Sewn or Crocheted? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi People. Which kind of footbag do you guys think is best, sewn or crocheted? KILLROY101 From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Jan 18 21:18:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA06414 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 21:18:26 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA06410 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 21:18:24 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6407) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA06405 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 21:18:23 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16802 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:17:54 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id NAA25105; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:17:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:17:17 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: Re: [footbag] Sewn or Crocheted? To: Killroy101@aol.com cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <970118130644_2090454032@emout02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > Hi People. > Which kind of footbag do you guys think is best, sewn or crocheted? > KILLROY101 Handsewn by one of the skookum footbag makers, 32 panels generally (although lots of really good ones are 8 or 12 panels etc.), facile or similar material depending on what kind of kicking you are doing. Rice/bean filled crocheted bags eventually go to mush or powder, plus they're not very round & way too hard-like-a-rock to kick well. Bead filled crocheted bags don't last very long, and don't kick as well as paneled bags. Also you can get different kinds of panel bags, with different fillings to use for different types of/preferences in kicking. But - I do like the sound effects of sipas sometimes! :-) juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Jan 18 21:27:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA06467 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 21:27:33 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6432) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA06430 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 21:25:34 GMT Received: from [204.188.8.42] (dialup3.Market.NET [204.188.8.42]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16827 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:25:05 -0800 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <970118130644_2090454032@emout02.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:25:35 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] Sewn or Crocheted? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 1:17 PM -0800 1/18/97, Juliet Pendray wrote: >32 panels generally >(although lots of really good ones are 8 or 12 panels etc.), facile or >similar material depending on what kind of kicking you are doing. I agree. I tend to like kicking with 32-panel facile bags more than anything else. But it realy depends on the type of tricks you do (if any). If you're into net, you want a vinyl bag or a leather/vinyl combo (like Flying Clipper's "Comp" 42-panel bags). -- But for more information (mostly written by me) on the various ins and outs of footbags, you can check out the information on our website: http://www.footbag.org/footbags/ It also includes a FAQ about how to make your own footbag -- written by list member Eric Tiffany . Also check-out the largest on-line footbag catalog at the WFA's website, which is . Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Jan 18 21:58:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA06808 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 21:57:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA06804 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 21:57:52 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6801) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA06799 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 21:57:51 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16974 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:57:23 -0800 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id NAA11188; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id NAA21221; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:57:18 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 13:57:18 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand To: Killroy101@aol.com cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Sewn or Crocheted? In-Reply-To: <970118130644_2090454032@emout02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > Which kind of footbag do you guys think is best, sewn or crocheted? The twisted has got to be the best footbag around. ******************************** Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow ******************************** From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 20 02:44:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA11541 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 02:42:29 GMT From: kuchma@golden.net Received: from kuchma@golden.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (10504) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA10502 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:42:59 GMT Received: from golden.net (golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22448 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:42:42 -0800 Received: from [207.216.76.106] (cisco6-106.golden.net [207.216.76.106]) by golden.net (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA04229 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:42:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:56:08 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Bags falling apart Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello Only 1 week after purchasing a 32 panel bag from an alternative sports shop, the material started falling apart. All I did was work it in with my hands (no toe ups or anything) and little tears and rips started appearing. I'm quite sure the bag was a Juice.. is there any kind of warranty on the bags? I remember reading something about that somewhere. -- Kuch E-mail: kuchma@golden.net From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 20 03:03:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA11621 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 03:02:08 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (11574) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA11572 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 02:59:12 GMT Received: from [17.127.18.180] (hd08-137.compuserve.com [199.174.216.137]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23376 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 18:58:14 -0800 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 18:58:16 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] Bags falling apart Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 2:56 PM -0800 1/19/97, Mike Kuchma wrote: >Only 1 week after purchasing a 32 panel bag from an alternative sports >shop, the material started falling apart. If you buy a facile Juice, then you have to take the risk that the material may not be worthy. It's really hard for Flying Clipper (or anyone) to be sure a batch of facile is worthy for the kind of abuse (even kneading) that we give a footbag. The rule of thumb is, if you absolutely must kick with facile (which I recommend -- that's all I kick with), then you should buy two bags (with different colors from each other to ensure different batches of facile) in case one dies early. Flying Clipper's hand-made facile bags are not guaranteed because of this very reason. However, if you want to buy a 32-panel bag that will last a really long time, you can buy the I KIC/Flying Clipper 32-panel "Juice" or the adidas "32-panel Sport Model" freestyle bags -- they're both made by I KIC and are very sturdy (and much less expensive than facile). However, the material, while a good approximation to facile, is really not as juicy (hence the original name) as the hand-made facile Juice. That's my take, anyway. I am not speaking officially for any of the above-mentioned companies. Steve P.S. With just the right amount (i.e., a "dab") of FreeSole or fabric glue, you can patch many facile holes (even the "disintegration" variety) to give you many months of pleasure from your bag. Just don't expect perfection from facile. But for many of us, the risk is worth it. :-) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 20 17:46:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA15937 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:45:55 GMT Received: from ecrvich@lotusbio.giv.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (15624) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA15622 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:21:07 GMT Received: from lotusbio.giv.com (lotusbio.giv.com [207.42.159.10]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27198 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:20:56 -0800 Message-Id: <199701201620.IAA27198@Market.NET> Received: from ecrvich ([207.42.156.162]) by lotusbio.giv.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA062197253; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:20:53 -0500 X-Sender: ecrvich@lotusbio.giv.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:11:46 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [footbag] Bags falling apart Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 06:58 PM 1/19/97 -0800, Steve Goldberg wrote: >KIC and are very sturdy (and much less expensive than facile). However, >the material, while a good approximation to facile, is really not as juicy >(hence the original name) as the hand-made facile Juice. Just my personal opinions: If you're serious about freestyle, I would NOT recommend synthetic suede. Unless, maybe, if you've never *had* facile or chamois before (so that you wouldn't know what you were missing). I have several old, well-worn I Digs and one of the new synthsuede Juices, and I don't use any of them (unless I'm not feeling serious that day). Instead, I use an old facile Juice that's almost completely covered with spots of Freesole, and an old Sleeper (the chamois kind, not this new ultrasuede junk), both of which work ten times better than the former. That said, I wouldn't necessarily "recommend" facile either, unless you're prepared to suffer the consequences of a fast blowout. At around $25 [or more] a bag, this isn't exactly a laughing matter. Like Kuch, the most recent Juice I bought blew out in a week of only hand-kneading and light kicking. Upon close inspection, all the panels of one of the colors used (maroon) were much thinner than the others. Not much you can do except fix the holes when they appear and hope you're luckier the next time. Then again, you could always try making your own... -- Ernest "Scratch" Crvich #8^i Durham, NC Footbag Freestyle: Give your feet a challenge From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 20 17:46:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA15948 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:46:01 GMT From: kuchma@golden.net Received: from kuchma@golden.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (15827) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA15824 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:16:17 GMT Received: from golden.net (golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27410 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:16:08 -0800 Received: from [207.6.168.53] (cisco1-53.golden.net [207.6.168.53]) by golden.net (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA21499 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:16:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:29:45 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Mush? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Steve Goldberg >>> P.S. With just the right amount (i.e., a "dab") of FreeSole or fabric glue, you can patch many facile holes (even the "disintegration" variety) to give you many months of pleasure from your bag. Just don't expect perfection from facile. But for many of us, the risk is worth it. :-) Are you talking about any kind of shoe goo, or is there a specific brand name I should look for? Up till now I've been trying to *very* loosely sew up the distingetration holes, which seems to work ok temporarily until the hole eventually gets bigger. Along with my facile bag I bought an Adidas freestyle bag, but like you said they are a pain to work in, and I can tell by looking at it that it would never get worked in to the 'consistency' that I'd want. On the topic of 'consistency', how loose are the bags used by most of the top players? Are they essentially mush? Thanks! -- Kuch E-mail: kuchma@golden.net From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 20 17:54:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA16004 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:54:07 GMT From: owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA15852 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:16:23 GMT Received: from golden.net (golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27415 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:16:13 -0800 Received: from [207.6.168.53] (cisco1-53.golden.net [207.6.168.53]) by golden.net (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA21507 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:16:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:29:50 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Ontario --- Bags/Tournaments Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I would be eternaly grateful if anybody could please tell the closest place in Ontario to buy quality freestyle bags. This would include any store located near Detroit, Niagara Falls, or basically any city in Michigan or NY close to Ontario. As far as I know, the closest store to Ontario at which quality bags can be purchased is Harrisburg PA (an unfortunate 8 hour drive from Toronto). The same question goes for tournaments. Has anybody ever heard of any tournaments going on in Ontario or close to it? As far as I've heard, the closest ones are located in Michigan (X-mas Jam) and Albany. -- Kuch E-mail: kuchma@golden.net From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 20 19:00:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA16453 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:59:41 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (16332) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA16330 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:47:57 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27852 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:47:49 -0800 Received: from [17.127.19.212] ([17.127.19.212]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA01478; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:55:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:02:15 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] Ontario --- Bags/Tournaments Cc: kuchma@golden.net Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 9:29 AM -0800 1/20/97, Mike Kuchma wrote: >I would be eternaly grateful if anybody could please tell the closest place >in Ontario to buy quality freestyle bags. There is no place you can go to find a wide assortment of footbags. If you are looking for a specific brand, that's another thing. But if you really want to choose from a large collection of footbags, you'll have to do it mail-order. There is really only one company that has real variety in footbags. Guess which one? http://worldfootbag.com/ >The same question goes for tournaments. Has anybody ever heard of any >tournaments going on in Ontario or close to it? http://www.footbag.org/events.html But as far as I know, there's nothing going on in Ontario. Talk to the Toronto Footbag Club and see if you can con them into hosting an event. http://www.footbag.org/clubs/toronto.html Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 20 19:16:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA16706 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:16:55 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (16559) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA16557 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:06:01 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27922 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:05:53 -0800 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id OkT09172; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:00:44 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:48:42 PST Subject: Re: [footbag] Bags falling apart Message-ID: <19970120.135855.8550.1.dervish@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-8,10,12,14-16,18-22,24,26-28,31-33 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >>Only 1 week after purchasing a 32 panel bag from an alternative sports >>shop, the material started falling apart. >The rule of thumb is, if you absolutely must kick with >facile (which I recommend -- that's all I kick with), then you should buy >two bags (with different colors from each other to ensure different >batches of facile) in case one dies early. Good advice. But I get impatient and my high at consecutives is a few hundred. (Sorry, Ida, I'm consecutive-impaired) What I do is get the sucker wet before kicking, and mush it aroud in my hands like it were a bar of soap. This is risky, and I have lost a bag or two this way, but it *is* much faster. >However, if you want to buy a 32-panel bag that will last a >really long time, you can buy the I KIC/Flying Clipper 32-panel "Juice" or >the adidas "32-panel Sport Model" freestyle bags. "Sturdy" isn't quite the word I'd use. How about 'indestructable'? >P.S. With just the right amount (i.e., a "dab") of FreeSole or fabric glue, >you can patch many facile holes (even the "disintegration" variety) to give >you many months of pleasure from your bag. Steve forgot to mention that 'shoe goo' works really great, and when in a pinch, I have used adhesive spot bandages. If ya see me, I've probably got one. JP From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 20 19:44:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA16865 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:44:49 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (16676) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA16674 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:15:30 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27999 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:15:20 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA28858; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:14:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:14:37 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: Re: [footbag] Ontario --- Bags/Tournaments To: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Have you contacted any of the footbag clubs in Ontario? Thy should know the answer to both your questions. Listed under "Clubs" in footbag.org website. juliet p.s. I hear tht the adidas footbags will be sold in Canada starting in april. On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net wrote: > I would be eternaly grateful if anybody could please tell the closest place > in Ontario to buy quality freestyle bags. This would include any store > located near Detroit, Niagara Falls, or basically any city in Michigan or > NY close to Ontario. As far as I know, the closest store to Ontario at > which quality bags can be purchased is Harrisburg PA (an unfortunate 8 hour > drive from Toronto). > > The same question goes for tournaments. Has anybody ever heard of any > tournaments going on in Ontario or close to it? As far as I've heard, the > closest ones are located in Michigan (X-mas Jam) and Albany. > > -- Kuch > > E-mail: kuchma@golden.net > > > From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 20 21:09:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA17195 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:09:38 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA17191 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:09:36 GMT Received: from awestber@sedona.intel.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (17188) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA17186 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:09:36 GMT Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (pan.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28482 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:09:28 -0800 Received: from sedona.intel.com by pan.ch.intel.com (8.8.4/10.0i); Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:09:22 GMT Received: from malibu.ch.intel.com (malibu.ch.intel.com [143.182.83.124]) by sedona.intel.com (8.7.6/8.7.3paulmail) with SMTP id OAA29994 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:08:52 -0700 From: Amy Westberg~ Received: by malibu.ch.intel.com (4.1/SCDT-NCR) id AA15221; Mon, 20 Jan 97 14:08:49 MST Message-Id: <9701202108.AA15221@malibu.ch.intel.com> Subject: [footbag] Phoenix Tournament Results To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:08:47 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey All-- Here are the results of the Air-A-Zona State Footbag Championship: Open Singles: 1. Emmanuel Bouchard 2. Chris Routh 3. Dave Bernard Open Doubles: 1. Emmanuel Bouchard/Alexis Deschenes 2. Chris Routh/Dave Bernard 3. Jimmy Caveney/David Butcher Mixed Doubles: 1. Lisa McDaniel/Emmanuel Bouchard 2. Julie Symons/Alexis Deschenes 3. Amy Westberg/Chris Routh Women's Singles: 1: Lisa McDaniel 2. Julie Symons 3. Tina Lewis Thanks to all those who came. Our first tournament here was definitely a success. The weather was beautiful (over 70oF). :) Hope to see more of you next year!!! Amy all had to pull out the sun screen. Hope more people can From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 20 23:06:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA17953 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:06:26 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA17949 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:06:23 GMT From: kuchma@golden.net Received: from kuchma@golden.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (17946) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA17944 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:06:21 GMT Received: from golden.net (golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28980 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:06:12 -0800 Received: from [199.166.210.100] (swo-100.golden.org [199.166.210.100]) by golden.net (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA01859 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:06:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:19:43 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Toronto Clubs Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Juliet Pendray wrote>> >Have you contacted any of the footbag clubs in Ontario? Thy should know >the answer to both your questions. Listed under "Clubs" in footbag.org >website. >juliet I've tried to get in contact with the Toronto club(s), but I never hear back from them. Vince Bradely told me that Noah Dubreil (spelling?) is from Toronto, but I can't figure out how to contact him (and there's no point until the snow's gone). -- Kuch E-mail: kuchma@golden.net From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 20 23:07:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA17974 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:07:09 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA17970 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:07:08 GMT From: kuchma@golden.net Received: from kuchma@golden.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (17967) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA17965 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:07:07 GMT Received: from golden.net (golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28990 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:07:01 -0800 Received: from [199.166.210.100] (swo-100.golden.org [199.166.210.100]) by golden.net (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA02016 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:06:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:20:38 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Amazing America Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org During the Amazing American segment on footbag, they showed Peter Irish and some others putting on a show for a crowd. Was that the actual freestyle event (I'm doubting that it is) or was it just Peter and friends putting on a shred show for the cameras? -- Kuch E-mail: kuchma@golden.net From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 20 23:07:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA17992 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:07:17 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA17988 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:07:15 GMT From: kuchma@golden.net Received: from kuchma@golden.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (17985) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA17983 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:07:15 GMT Received: from golden.net (golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28996 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:07:08 -0800 Received: from [199.166.210.100] (swo-100.golden.org [199.166.210.100]) by golden.net (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA02032 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:07:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:20:43 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Bags falling apart Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Ernest Crvich wrote>>That said, I wouldn't >necessarily "recommend" facile either, unless >you're prepared to suffer the consequences of a fast blowout. At around $25 >[or more] a bag, this isn't exactly a laughing matter. Like Kuch, the most >recent Juice I bought blew out in a week of only hand-kneading and light >kicking. Upon close inspection, all the panels of one of the colors used >(maroon) were much thinner than the others. Not much you can do except fix >the holes when they appear and hope you're luckier the next time. I suppose I just unforunatley bought a really poor quality bag. Two of the colours are showing disintegration wear and there are big gaps at some of the seams where mutliple panels meet. I can only hope that the fabric sealer works, because I bought the bag in PA which is an 8 hour drive from me, and I've had terrible luck with mail order (hence I'm reluctant to order from the internet). -- Kuch E-mail: kuchma@golden.net From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 21 02:20:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA18981 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 02:20:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA18977 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 02:20:19 GMT Received: from hacky10@msn.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (18974) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA18972 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 02:20:19 GMT Received: from upsmot02.msn.com (upsmot02.msn.com [204.95.110.79]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA29855 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:20:14 -0800 Received: from upmajb02.msn.com (upmajb02.msn.com [204.95.110.74]) by upsmot02.msn.com (8.6.8.1/Configuration 4) with SMTP id SAA01651 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:17:11 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 02:19:21 UT From: "STEVE SMITH" Message-Id: To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Air-A- Zona Tourney Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi All! Just wanted to give some applause to Amy, Heather, Rob and the rest of the staff for a wonderful first tournament! Steve enjoyed his Christmas present, and so did I. :) The weather was beautiful, compared to Illinois' zero degree and -60 windchill, when we left Friday. The competitor turnout was great. It was nice to see everyone again. Again, Congrats to the Air-A-Zona footbag Net Club for an awesome tournament. My hat is already being called upon to remind of the warm and sunny weekend. Hope to see more people next year. You won't be sorry, unless you miss the tournament next time! Juli and Steve Smith From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 21 03:42:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA19399 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 03:40:30 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA19395 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 03:40:29 GMT Received: from kicking@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (19392) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA19390 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 03:40:29 GMT Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA30165 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:40:24 -0800 Received: from (kicking@por-or7-07.ix.netcom.com [204.31.113.39]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03991 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:40:13 -0800 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 19:40:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199701210340.TAA03991@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) Subject: Re: [footbag] Bags falling apart Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org With this whole conversation about facile bags and how most people believe (as I do) that they are FAR superior to any other bag............it brings me to imagining what footbag freestyle would be like to day were it not for the likes of FLYING CLIPPER!!!!!!!!! Thank you FLYING CLIPPER for revolutionizing footbag freestyle! Tricia From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 21 06:50:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA20210 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 06:49:59 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA20206 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 06:49:57 GMT Received: from jimmyc@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (20203) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA20201 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 06:49:56 GMT Received: from ns1.aplatform.com (ns1.aplatform.com [204.29.139.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA30862 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:49:53 -0800 Received: from [204.29.139.80] (jcaveney.aplatform.com [204.29.139.80]) by ns1.aplatform.com (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA04659 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:49:45 -0800 X-Sender: jcaveney@aplatform.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9701202108.AA15221@malibu.ch.intel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 22:51:46 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Jim Caveney Subject: Re: [footbag] Phoenix Tournament Results Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Excellent Event! What a great break in the dead of winter. The weather was awesome, the competition fierce and the comraderie loads of fun. The staff was great! Thanks for putting it all together. This event should be added to everyone's list next year. I'll be back! From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 21 16:37:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA21657 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:36:04 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA21653 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:36:02 GMT Received: from casey@utdallas.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (21650) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA21648 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 16:36:02 GMT Received: from utdallas.edu (utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00581 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:36:03 -0800 Received: from csclass (casey@csclass.utdallas.edu [129.110.16.11]) by utdallas.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA17361 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:36:02 -0600 (CST) From: Casey C Zacek Received: by csclass (SMI-8.6) id KAA01510; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:36:01 -0600 Message-Id: <199701211636.KAA01510@csclass> Subject: Re: [footbag] bags falling apart To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:36:01 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Ernest Crvich writes: > Upon close inspection, all the panels of one of the colors used > (maroon) were much thinner than the others. Not much you can do except fix > the holes when they appear and hope you're luckier the next time. Ok, I emailed Steve quite a while ago about a facile Juice that I got at Worlds in Montreal that was maroon (or close to purple) and white, and the maroon panels blew out within a few weeks of buying it. My friends and I have noticed that out of several bags (a Legend, my Juice, and even a _homemade_ bag now) that it always seems to be the purple colored facile that goes. Maybe we're just being retarded or something, but we've never had a problem with any weak facile except the purple, and that has been in every bag that has purple facile on it! I just wanted to get that off my chest, and to see if anyone else had any similar experience. -- __ / ` _.._ _ . ,__________________. \__.(_]_)(/,\_| |casey@utdallas.edu| ._| `~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~' From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 21 17:39:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA21892 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:39:37 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA21888 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:39:36 GMT From: kuchma@golden.net Received: from kuchma@golden.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (21885) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA21883 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 17:39:35 GMT Received: from golden.net (golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00802 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:39:35 -0800 Received: from [207.6.168.92] (cisco2-92.golden.net [207.6.168.92]) by golden.net (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00871 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:39:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:53:15 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] bags falling apart Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Casey wrote: >Maybe we're just being retarded or something, but we've never had a >problem with any weak facile except the purple, and that has been in every >bag that has purple facile on it! > >I just wanted to get that off my chest, and to see if anyone else had any >similar experience. The panels on my facile bag that distintegrated were of a purple/violet colour (one of the white panels also showed a little bit of wear). Maybe there should be a little inspection regarding the sturdiness of purple facile if this trend seems to continue. -- Kuch E-mail: kuchma@golden.net From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 22 21:52:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA28034 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:51:43 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA28030 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:51:42 GMT Received: from nbpayne@osprey.smcm.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (28027) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA28025 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:51:42 GMT Received: from osprey.smcm.edu (osprey.smcm.edu [138.78.1.14]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09109 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:51:56 -0800 Received: from smcm-Message_Server by osprey.smcm.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:54:51 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:54:37 -0500 From: Neil Payne To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] hello again Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Kickers, Just dropping a quick line to say hello since I am back on line. I had a nice holiday which included some kicking with some of you in DC. ~I had a great time. I am ecstatic to be on my way to graduLating in May. I hope that you all had a nice holiday and a nice beginning to the new year. Take care, Neil From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 23 11:35:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id LAA30990 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:34:42 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id LAA30986 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:34:40 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (30983) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA30981 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:34:38 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA13015; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 03:34:58 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA17386; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:00:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Reply-To: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] Re: Kudos from NetGuide Magazine To: Steve Goldberg cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey Steve! *Congratulations*!!! Well deserved accolades! & a kinda cute paragraph that they wrote besides: I love folks that use the word "zillions"! :-) You/this website have/has seriously revolutionized footbag ... having this kind of contact with each other, and a central information point that functions very practically for us all as an "office" has opened up amazing possibilities! I'm not sure whether we all fully realize this fact yet ... but that matters not - the process is now inexorable. juliet "count 'em - TWO $1.95 words here" pendray From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 23 17:12:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA32026 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:12:00 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA32022 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:11:58 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (32019) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA32017 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:11:57 GMT Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14065 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:12:19 -0800 Received: from IBM2 ([207.92.232.219]) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA05548 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:37:36 -0800 Received: by IBM2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BC0909.C1607110@IBM2>; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:45:16 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC0909.C1607110@IBM2> From: Mike Niday To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [footbag] Re: Kudos from NetGuide Magazine Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:28:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >>Hey Steve! >>*Congratulations*!!! >>Well deserved accolades! & a kinda cute paragraph that they wrote >>besides: I love folks that use the word "zillions"! :-) >>You/this website have/has seriously revolutionized footbag ... blah blah blah Now now... how is Steve gonna keep the list up and running if his head explodes... :-) Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 23 18:47:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA32333 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:46:54 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA32329 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:46:53 GMT Received: from kicking@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (32326) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA32324 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:46:47 GMT Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14577 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:47:10 -0800 Received: from (kicking@por-or11-12.ix.netcom.com [204.31.113.172]) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA26820; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:46:23 -0800 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:46:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199701231846.KAA26820@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) Subject: RE: [footbag] Re: Kudos from NetGuide Magazine To: Mike Niday Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org You wrote: > > >Now now... how is Steve gonna keep the list up and running if his head explodes... :-) Let it explode it to several Jillion pieces and if we are lucky, each one will grow in to a whole new Steve brain and the world will be better off!!!!!!!! > > Sincere Kudos to Steve from the georges From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 23 22:14:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA00513 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:14:11 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA00509 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:14:09 GMT Received: from kuchma@golden.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (506) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA00504 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:14:08 GMT Received: from golden.net (golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15705 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:14:31 -0800 Received: from [207.216.76.38] (cisco5-38.golden.net [207.216.76.38]) by golden.net (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA02245 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:14:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:28:15 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org From: kuchma@golden.net (Mike Kuchma) Subject: [footbag] GemTac Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I can't remember who suggested GemTac as a means of patching up holes in facile bags, but whomever you were, I must thank you! It works incredibly well and my bag is up and kicking again! -- Kuch E-mail: kuchma@golden.net From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 23 22:49:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA00612 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:49:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA00608 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:49:35 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (605) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA00603 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 22:49:35 GMT Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15878 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:49:59 -0800 Received: from IBM2 ([207.92.232.219]) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA21502 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:49:51 -0800 Received: by IBM2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BC093D.C15E2980@IBM2>; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:57:30 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC093D.C15E2980@IBM2> From: Mike Niday To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [footbag] GemTac Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:57:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >>I can't remember who suggested GemTac as a means of patching up holes in >>facile bags, but whomever you were, I must thank you! It works incredibly >>well and my bag is up and kicking again! >>-- Kuch Your welcome. That'll be five bucks. ( ar ar ) :-) Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 24 01:28:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA01402 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:27:46 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA01398 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:27:44 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1395) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA01393 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:27:43 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16795 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:28:08 -0800 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id RAA20929; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:27:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id RAA06840; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:27:58 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:27:58 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand To: Mike Kuchma cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] GemTac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Mike Kuchma wrote: > I can't remember who suggested GemTac as a means of patching up holes in > facile bags, but whomever you were, I must thank you! It works incredibly > well and my bag is up and kicking again! Does it work better than FreeSole? I haven't tried either one. P.S. Could everyone please cut down on how often they use the word **KUDOS**?!?!?!? God, I think that word is worse than the word Smorgasboard. :) ___________________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 24 05:31:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA02427 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 05:31:49 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA02423 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 05:31:47 GMT Received: from kuchma@golden.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2420) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA02418 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 05:31:46 GMT Received: from golden.net (golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17889 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:32:13 -0800 Received: from [199.166.210.122] (swo-122.golden.org [199.166.210.122]) by golden.net (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA24296; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:31:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:45:40 -0500 To: Matt Hillebrand From: kuchma@golden.net (Mike Kuchma) Subject: Re: [footbag] GemTac Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I've never heard of Freesole, nor have I used it, so I dont' have a point for comparison. However, the GemTac does seem to work well. If possible, look for a *stretchable* fabric glue as it would probably work better. GemTac is good, but it's still a little rigid after it dries. And is it just me, or does FreeSole sound like something that has do to with patching up shoe soles rather than binding other things? -- Kuch E-mail: kuchma@golden.net From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 24 13:56:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA08149 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:53:14 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA08145 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:53:12 GMT Received: from kenned57@pilot.msu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8142) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA08140 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:53:12 GMT Received: from pilot21.cl.msu.edu (pilot21.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.31]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA20620 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 05:53:43 -0800 Received: (kenned57@localhost) by pilot21.cl.msu.edu (8.7.5/MSU-2.10) id IAA19659; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:24:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199701241324.IAA19659@pilot21.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [footbag] Re:Gemtac To: footbag@footbag.org (footbag@footbag.org) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:24:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Cameron Dean Kennedy" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org just my two cents on the fixing of holes thing, i have found silicone caulk to work quite nicely at patching holes in bags. haven't tried other things(freesole etc,) but i am sure they work well too. later -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Cameron D Kennedy | macintosh as an acronym | Michigan state 1668 E Grand river | Most Applications Crash : If Not| biochem apt 155 ph 337-9470 | The Operating System Hangs. | genetics E Lansing MI 48827 | | footbag ______________________|_http://pilot.msu.edu/~kenned57/______________________ From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 28 12:37:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA00957 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:36:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA00953 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:36:51 GMT Received: from durfduo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (950) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA00948 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:36:51 GMT From: Durfduo@aol.com Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.95]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA13560; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:36:52 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA26741; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 07:36:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 07:36:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970128073646_1478343089@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org cc: brat@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] East Coast Tourneys Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Either the group has been real quiet lately or I've been knocked off the list. I haven't received any footbag mail since 1/23. I've been meaning to write in regarding East Coast tourneys, or the lack thereof. I realize its still early (by some standards) for scheduling tourneys for the 97 season, but how about at least a few more "tentatives"? I hear there will likely be another East Coast Championship in D.C. in late April or early May. Other than that I know of the Montreal tourney in July and Harrisburg on Labor Day Weekend. I did talk with Josh Penney and I know he's trying to set one up in NYC, so let's all voice our support for such an event to urge him on. Why don't I hold one myself? I just may have to at this rate! Unfortunately I have not yet established a good base group of kickers in the Richmond area, although I will work hard at it this spring. Next year I'll try to organize a full-fledged tourney. This year I'll probably try to have one day get together. Sad to say but most of the Albany, NY crew has moved away and last year's Tulipfest toruney director is still nursing his financial wounds. So come forward brave souls and annouce your tentative plans to possibly hold a tourney or get together some time in '97! Wishing I lived a little closer to Illinois, Scott Durfee From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 28 16:48:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA01829 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:48:47 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1776) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA01774 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:41:11 GMT Received: from [17.255.70.146] ([17.255.70.146]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14441; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:41:13 -0800 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970128073646_1478343089@emout04.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:17:04 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] East Coast Tourneys Cc: Durfduo@aol.com Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 4:36 AM -0800 1/28/97, Scott Durfee wrote: >Either the group has been real quiet lately or I've been knocked off the >list. I haven't received any footbag mail since 1/23. Count your blessings. :-) If you want more e-mail, just subscribe to the freestyle list. :-) See http://www.footbag.org/discussion.html for more info. >I've been meaning to write in regarding East Coast tourneys, or the lack >thereof. I realize its still early (by some standards) for scheduling >tourneys for the 97 season, but how about at least a few more "tentatives"? It's not that early -- good point. If people are planning to hold tournaments any time this year, now's the time to pin down your dates and announce them. Even if "tentative". >Sad to say but most of the Albany, NY crew has moved away and last year's >Tulipfest toruney director is still nursing his financial wounds. That's too bad, but perhaps you can still hold an event in Richmond this year? It's not that far for a lot of folks on the east coast to get to.... >So come forward brave souls and annouce your tentative plans to possibly hold >a tourney or get together some time in '97! And I'd add -- please do so by simply filling out an "on-line event announcement" at http://www.footbag.org/add-event.html and we'll take it from there. :-) Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 28 17:32:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA02005 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 17:32:56 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA02001 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 17:32:54 GMT From: freefloe@continet.com Received: from freefloe@continet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1998) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01996 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 17:32:54 GMT Received: from falcon.continet.com (FALCON.CONTINET.COM [206.58.168.254]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14671 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:32:53 -0800 Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.58.169.69]) by falcon.continet.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-10248) with SMTP id AAA252 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:48:54 -0800 X-Sender: freefloe@continet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] tournaments Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 09:48:54 -0800 Message-ID: <19970128174853797.AAA252@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey there folks, The University of Oregon Footbag Club (with help from Free F.L.O.E.) is planning on hosting a Net and golf event the first weekend in April (this would be a 3rd annual event). I checked out the web site and noticed that this was also a tenative date for an OOPS tournament. I definitely want to avoid if possible having events on the same weekend (remember 3 years ago when Vancouver, Eugene, and Santa Barbara all had events the same weekend?) So what's up OOPS?? We already have a site confirmed though we could possibly move to the third weekend in April. I was also wondering the dates for Emerald City Open...Mike?? and Vancouver Open...Juliet?? ...gotta get my time-off requests in early... thanks, becca From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 28 19:57:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02537 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:57:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02533 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:57:35 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2530) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02528 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:57:30 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15473 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:57:30 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA16937; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:57:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 11:57:15 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] tournaments: VanOpen97 To: footbag@footbag.org cc: aloe@vcn.bc.ca In-Reply-To: <19970128174853797.AAA252@LOCALNAME> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Good Point! The Vancouver Open Footbag Net tournament will be August 2-3, 1997, at the same skookum site in Stanley Park. We changed from our usual date, so that this could be a warm-up for Worlds (as opposed to running it only one week after Worlds with a bunch of exhausted kickers! :-) I don't have many more details to offer right now, so will post to the website as soon as I can. Primarily, we'd like to invite all kickers to consider making the VanOpen tourney part of your travel plans ... therefore perhaps we can get a fleet of ancient schoolbuses painted with strange designs, then caravan south - filking funny footbag fugues? - to Portland for Worlds97 - Wahoo !!! ;-) :-) Juliet, of VanOpen 97 Organizing Illuminati From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 28 20:19:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02777 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:19:05 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02773 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:19:03 GMT Received: from gdurrett@sftelecom.level1.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2770) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02768 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:19:03 GMT Received: from sentinel2.level1.com (sentinel2.level1.com [204.160.84.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA15685 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:19:03 -0800 Received: from sft1.level1.com by sentinel2.level1.com via smtpd (for Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) with SMTP; 28 Jan 1997 20:12:13 UT Received: from itchy.sftelecom.level1.com by sft1.sftelecom.level1.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0vpK0J-000SVRC; Tue, 28 Jan 97 12:19 PST Received: by itchy.sftelecom.level1.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BC0D15.3DBEA5B0@itchy.sftelecom.level1.com>; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:17:34 -0800 Message-ID: From: Greg Durrett To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [footbag] tournaments: VanOpen97 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:17:32 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Encoding: 32 TEXT Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Juliet, et al, If we had a Eugene-based tournament the weekend before the VanOpen, then we could stop by Ken Kesey's place (which is reportedly in the vicinity) and get _the_ ancient schoolbus of Electric Koolaid Acid Test fame. Who needs the Green Tortoise! Greg Durrett >-----Original Message----- >From: Juliet Pendray [SMTP:aloe@vcn.bc.ca] >Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 1997 11:57 AM >To: footbag@footbag.org >Cc: aloe@vcn.bc.ca >Subject: [footbag] tournaments: VanOpen97 > >Good Point! > >The Vancouver Open Footbag Net tournament will be August 2-3, 1997, at >the same skookum site in Stanley Park. > >[deletia] > >Primarily, we'd like to invite all kickers to consider making the VanOpen >tourney part of your travel plans ... therefore perhaps we can get a >fleet of ancient schoolbuses painted with strange designs, then caravan >south - filking funny footbag fugues? - to Portland for Worlds97 - Wahoo !!! >;-) :-) > >Juliet, of >VanOpen 97 Organizing Illuminati From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 28 20:21:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02796 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:21:22 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02792 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:21:21 GMT Received: from jbaldwin@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2789) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02787 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:21:20 GMT Received: from compassion.hotmail.com (compassion.hotmail.com [207.82.250.66]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA15700 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:21:21 -0800 Received: (http://www.hotmail.com 5699 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jan 1997 20:19:18 -0000 Date: 28 Jan 1997 20:19:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19970128201918.5697.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.86.127.204 by hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:19:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.212.153.12] From: "Jacque Baldwin" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] I WANT OFF!!! Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I SAID I WANTED OFF THIS FUCKING MAILING LIST!! NOW GET ME OFF OF IT!! --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 28 22:12:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03694 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:12:20 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03690 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:12:18 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3687) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03685 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:12:18 GMT Received: from [17.255.9.137] (microbrat.research.apple.com [17.255.9.137]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16344 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:12:19 -0800 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:15:53 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [footbag] Southern California Dates FINAL: April 5-6, 1997 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi everyone -- this is just a quick note. I talked with Mike Stoler today (he's hooked into e-mail these days) and he has secured a new site for the Southern California Footbag Tournament. The reason the event was still marked "tentative" on the website was that the Redondo Beach site was cancelled due to construction. The new site will be in Hermosa Beach (a stone's throw from Redondo), and more information will be forthcoming -- but go ahead and MARK YOUR CALENDARS for this third annual event in Southern California: APRIL 5-6, 1997. Thanks! Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 28 22:39:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03820 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:39:28 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03814 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:39:26 GMT Received: from kuchma@golden.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3810) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03803; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:39:25 GMT Received: from golden.net ([199.166.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16479; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:39:26 -0800 Received: from [207.216.76.104] (cisco6-104.golden.net [207.216.76.104]) by golden.net (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA06887; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:26:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:40:40 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org, footbag@footbag.org From: kuchma@golden.net (Mike Kuchma) Subject: [footbag] Re: [freestyle] Apology Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On the topic of apologies, I would like to offer my apologies to anybody whose private messages I may have Cc'd. I'm kind of new to the whole discussion group thing, and in the beginning I think I probably quoted a few personal messages. Thanks to Steve for setting my netiquette straight, and once again, I'm sorry for any problems or misunderstandings my Cc'ing may have caused. -- Kuch E-mail: kuchma@golden.net From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 29 00:45:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04577 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:45:50 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04573 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:45:48 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4570) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA04568 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 00:45:48 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17087 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 16:45:50 -0800 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TiN13790; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:43:33 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:20:26 PST Subject: Re: [footbag] East Coast Tourneys Message-ID: <19970128.194054.3358.9.dervish@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-8,10-25 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:17:04 -0800 Steve Goldberg writes: >At 4:36 AM -0800 1/28/97, Scott Durfee wrote: >>Either the group has been real quiet lately or I've been knocked off the >>list. I haven't received any footbag mail since 1/23. Hey, Durfee! How's tricks? >>I've been meaning to write in regarding East Coast tourneys, or the lack >>thereof. I realize its still early (by some standards) for scheduling >>tourneys for the 97 season, but how about at least a few more >>"tentatives"? > >It's not that early -- good point. If people are planning to hold >tournaments any time this year, now's the time to pin down your dates >and announce them. Even if "tentative". > Okay, tentatively, there will be a tournament in NYC sometime between April and July of this year. We really are working on the rest. JP- New York Footbag Association From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 29 01:39:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04880 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 01:39:02 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04869 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 01:39:00 GMT Received: from schneija@ucsu.colorado.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4866) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA04864; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 01:38:59 GMT Received: from ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ucsu.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.83]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17348; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 17:38:59 -0800 Received: (from schneija@localhost) by ucsu.Colorado.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.4/CNS-4.1p) id SAA10207; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 18:38:58 -0700 (MST) From: Freestyle Jedi (Shpater Dude) Message-Id: <199701290138.SAA10207@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Subject: [footbag] HEY FOOTBAG PROMOTERS! To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 18:38:58 -0700 (MST) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org hi everybody, i had an idea for promoting our sport, any discipline. I'll let the individuals decide if its brilliant or stupid, or just embarrassing. here it is: we could send any video-taped screw-ups and bloopers, etc, to America's Funniest Home Videos. Okay, so its not the classiest exposure, but just think, what if the footbag video took first place? think of the Footbag Festival/Tournament that we could throw with ten thousand dollars, and everyone who saw it on T.V. would want to come. the only drawback to appearing on that show, that i can think of, is that someone would ACTUALLY have to WATCH it to see if we get on the air. anyway, catch y'all.. shpater, dudes Jonathan Schneider may the force be with us From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 29 01:58:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04994 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 01:58:04 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04984 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 01:58:03 GMT Received: from kuchma@golden.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4981) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA04979; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 01:58:02 GMT Received: from golden.net (golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17443; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 17:58:01 -0800 Received: from [207.216.76.67] (cisco5-67.golden.net [207.216.76.67]) by golden.net (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA09486; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:57:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:11:40 -0500 To: Freestyle Jedi (Shpater Dude) , footbag@footbag.org From: kuchma@golden.net (Mike Kuchma) Subject: [footbag] Re: [freestyle] HEY FOOTBAG PROMOTERS! Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Well Jonathon, the only problem I can see with that is that basically, the exposure would be excellent for the sport.... *however*... such TYPE of exposure would offer a less than favourable view of footbag, as it would serve to lead the public to believe footbag might be: a) so difficult that everybody falls on their ass b) an embarassing sport for beginners Other than that, it's not TOO bad an idea.. kind of crazy, and it shows that you're always thinking, but I still stand by my arguments. -- Kuch E-mail: kuchma@golden.net From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 29 02:08:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA05137 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 02:08:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA05125 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 02:08:32 GMT Received: from kuchma@golden.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5122) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA05120; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 02:08:31 GMT Received: from golden.net (golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17478; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 18:08:28 -0800 Received: from [207.216.76.67] (cisco5-67.golden.net [207.216.76.67]) by golden.net (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA10967; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:08:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:22:31 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org From: kuchma@golden.net (Mike Kuchma) Subject: [footbag] EXPOSURE!! --> suggestion.... Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org This message is kind of in reference to Jonathan Schneider's suggestion of sending in some footbag blooper footage to America's funniest home videos. This lead me to want to suggest my own idea for promoting footbag: if somebody lives in a small town (or relatively small... kind of like mine where footbag is still known as hacky-sack---like it is everywhere!) and there are very few kickers around, then I have an idea for at least SOME promotion of the sport. At the risk of sounding presumptuous, I would say that many towns have annual events which bring together many people from around the city (ie: a fireworks display on Independence Day). On such days, I think it would be prudent for as many local kickers to get together and perhaps set up a little display showing off footbag as a sport. I'm sure we're all familiar with how much attention some people can get by just kicking in a small circle, but imagine how much more attention one could get if there was an actual formal demonstration etc... Footbag net, as I have experienced, really draws the inquiring eyes.... much like some pro freestyle shredding. This is basically an alternative to holding tournaments: it wouldn't cost anything, and it would expose more of the general public to the sport. Canada (where I live) celebrates it's 'birthday' every July 1st, and every July 1st, there is a fireworks display at the base of the one of the lakes on the fringes of my city. Last year approximately 5000 people attended the display, and my friends and I kicked up a small freestyle storm which drew some good attention without even meaning to... so come on kickers, if you don't have the intitiative or the funds or a lack or interest to put on a tournament (or similar function), the least we can do is put on a free public display where we show the public what the sport is all about and answer questions etc. -- Kuch E-mail: kuchma@golden.net From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 29 04:36:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA07447 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:36:11 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA07443 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:36:09 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (7440) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA07438 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:36:08 GMT Received: from [17.255.70.146] ([17.255.70.146]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18108 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:36:09 -0800 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:32:52 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: HEY FOOTBAG PROMOTERS! Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org The Freestyle Jedi wrote: >i had an idea for promoting our sport, any discipline. Wait, I know! Why don't we just get featured on MTV, ESPN, ESPN-2, CBS, NBC, ABC, The Learning Channel, on all local TV station news programs, in Sports Illustrated, the Wall Street Journal, the San Francisco Chronical (hell, all local papers, too), and all over the internet! Wouldn't that be great? I think it's a great idea. Maybe someone should get on it right away. Anyone? :-) Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 29 19:41:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA03893 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 19:39:33 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA03887 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 19:39:30 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3883) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA03876; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 19:39:25 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22201; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:39:22 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA25766; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:39:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] Demos at civic events To: Mike Kuchma cc: footbag@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Definitely a good idea ... we've done a few here. Not that I was part of it actually, but some of the more ambitious of our group have organized net and freestyle demos at sports events, exhibitions and stuff. And out of that, We've had new kickers join us ...AND have had local media come seek US out to do a story on this "strange" sport as a result of them seeing us kick for the public. Personally, when I have the time...:-)...I'd like to do a few impromptu demos at events/festivals where you don't need permission to set up: Make a small yet spiffy & readable sign that could be set up next to the circle or net, telling folks that wouldn't want to ask us - what the hell we are playing at! Very low key, easy to organize type of thing. juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 29 19:49:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA03960 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 19:49:07 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA03954 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 19:49:05 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3950) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA03943; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 19:49:04 GMT Received: from [17.255.70.146] ([17.255.70.146]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22262; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:49:04 -0800 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:48:22 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [footbag] Re: Demos at civic events Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Another netiquette message from the list manager... Please don't cross-post messages between footbag@footbag.org and freestyle@footbag.org. If you feel they're important enough to be on both lists, they're probably "announcements" and you should send them to announce@footbag.org. Otherwise, if they're just discussion messages, then people who are on both lists end up getting two copies of every message, and nobody can keep track of which thread is on which list, as the memberships of the two lists are different. A general discussion about the sport (such as "Demos at civic events") belongs on the "footbag@footbag.org" list, in my opinion.. So let's just keep it there. If there are freestylers who want to participate in that discussion, they should feel free to join that list (see http://www.footbag.org/discussion.html for simple instructions and a form interface for joining and leaving lists). Thanks. Steve PS Again, see http://www.footbag.org/discussion.html -- if you have any questions about how to subscribe or unsubscribe from a footbag list, or switch your status, please read this document first, then write me directly if you still have questions. Thanks. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 29 22:14:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA04628 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:14:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA04624 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:14:19 GMT Received: from nbpayne@osprey.smcm.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4621) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA04619 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:14:19 GMT Received: from osprey.smcm.edu (osprey.smcm.edu [138.78.1.14]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23076 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:14:20 -0800 Received: from smcm-Message_Server by osprey.smcm.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:17:49 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:17:37 -0500 From: Neil Payne To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] East Coast Tourneys -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >At 4:36 AM -0800 1/28/97, Scott Durfee wrote: >>> > I realize its still early (by some standards) for scheduling >>tourneys for the 97 season, but how about at least a few more >>"tentatives"? > >It's not that early -- good point. If people are planning to hold >tournaments any time this year, now's the time to pin down your dates >and announce them. Even if "tentative". > Tentatively, I am planning to hold another event on my campus in April (probably early or mid April). Last semester I put on a beginners tournament with the appearance of Vince, Tu and Tuan who all did freestyle demo's and kicked for the day. This time it may just be a shred but I'm not sure yet. I am open for suggestions... Take care, Neil Payne Dragonfly Footbag club St. Mary's College of MD From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 30 05:56:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA06632 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 05:55:59 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA06628 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 05:55:57 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6625) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA06623 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 05:55:56 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25331 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:55:57 -0800 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id A_A12802; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:55:09 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:53:17 PST Subject: [footbag] Footbag sighting on TV! Message-ID: <19970130.005318.3750.7.dervish@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3,5-13 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org There's a latenight talk show called Late night with Conan O Brien. One of the first gags of the show featured a play on the SAT's (standardized academic tests for all y'all who don't live in the USA, taken by high school students) The SAT's usually rate what kind of university the student can expect to get into. One section of the test is analogies, and the joke went: Teenagers is to hacky sack as dennis rodman is to cameraman's sack. Sorry, Couldn't resist. JP From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 30 18:35:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA09648 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 18:35:40 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA09644 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 18:35:39 GMT From: freefloe@continet.com Received: from freefloe@continet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (9641) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA09639 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 18:35:38 GMT Received: from falcon.continet.com (FALCON.CONTINET.COM [206.58.168.254]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28979 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:35:38 -0800 Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.58.169.110]) by falcon.continet.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-10248) with SMTP id AAA186 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:51:17 -0800 X-Sender: freefloe@continet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] April event in Eugene Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:51:17 -0800 Message-ID: <19970130185116240.AAA186@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey there... We wanted feedback from folks regarding who would attend a Net (singles, doubles, mixed) and Golf tournament in Eugene in April. The two dates we are debating are April 5-6th or 19-20th. We know Oops is hosting an event on the 5-6th, so we want to see who wants to go to both events and who from California would come north if we have our event on the 19-20th. If Jody, Julie, Lisa, or other California women can make it we'll move our date for sure. You can send your responses to me directly at freefloe@continet.com See you freestylers in Portland in a couple weeks. thanks, becca