From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 3 19:10:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA17366 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:09:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA17362 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:09:34 GMT Received: from elklein@sas.upenn.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (17359) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA17357 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:09:34 GMT Received: from mail2.sas.upenn.edu (MAIL2.SAS.UPENN.EDU [165.123.26.33]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16778 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:09:34 -0800 Received: (from elklein@localhost) by mail2.sas.upenn.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3/SAS.03) id OAA06887 for footbag@footbag.org; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:09:32 -0500 (EST) From: elklein@sas.upenn.edu (Ethan L Klein) Message-Id: <199703031909.OAA06887@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> Subject: [footbag] Penn Jam To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:09:31 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Just want to thank everyone for making the Penn Jam such a brilliant success (except for mother nature). Josh provided a pretty good summary for all you netizens but I just wanted to add my 2 cents. First of all- My ass is still sore from Eric Wulff spanking me all over the court. Blurry set ducking butterfly, Blurriests all over the place, 20 move, near 3-free combos making slack-jawwed gawkers of us all. Stu Roll - The sleeper Ivy Leaguer came down from Providence and wowed everybody with a blurry torque and continually nailed atom smasher and blurry whirl at will. St. Marys Dragonflies - The second most hard-core club in the east surprised us all with their depth and long-haired freestylin. Carol W. - The smoothest. My eyes still feel calm and tranquil from watching her caress the footbag with feminine grace, ultimate precision and mesmerizing style. Freestyle is the way, is the source, is the ANSWER! Thanks again, Ethan From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 3 19:10:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA17385 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:10:38 GMT From: owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Received: from freefloe@continet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (17009) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA17007 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:16:15 GMT Received: from falcon.continet.com (FALCON.CONTINET.COM [206.58.168.254]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16490 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:16:15 -0800 Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.58.169.72]) by falcon.continet.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-10248) with SMTP id AAA206 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:32:30 -0800 X-Sender: freefloe@continet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: announce@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Kendall's in labor Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:32:30 -0800 Message-ID: <19970303183229430.AAA206@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey friends, I just got wind that Kendall is currently in labor. In between contractions she left a message on her answering machine updating people. I expect we'll all hear the big news soon. peace, becca From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 3 22:40:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA18198 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:39:51 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA18194 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:39:49 GMT Received: from otbanjo@erols.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (18191) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA18189 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:39:48 GMT Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [205.252.116.102]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18191 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:39:50 -0800 Received: from otbanjo.erols.com (spg-as18s33.erols.com [207.172.122.201]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA24448; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:39:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <331B554B.1B62@erols.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 17:48:43 -0500 From: Tom Harrison X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The Sock CC: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Article in local paper References: <199702281230.BAA11007@ihug.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org The Sock wrote: > > Article on page 18, East and Bays Courier, Wednesday February 26, > 1997 > -------------------- > "CHAMPS ORGANISER HANGS UP HACKY SAC" > Hacky Sac competition organiser David Jacobi (pictured) is alive and > kicking, but not for long. > THe Auckland Hack Sac Champs organiser is hanging up his sac for the > last time. > He has organised the competition for the past 5 years, including the > last two held at Mission Bay, but has decided to move on. > "It involves arranging a reserve, stage, sponsors, prizes, posters, > T-shirts and judges. When u become that absorbed in administration, > you lose the passion." > Besides, he says, hacky sac is losing its appeal. > "Hacky is a summer game and we haven't had a summer, it's bleak and > we've had a coupla of cyclones." > The 1997 championship attracted 40 competitors to Mission Bay > Reserve. Hundreds watched them perform tricks such as hacks (passing > the sac around a group), nicks (passing the sac with different parts > of the body), toe-knees, parrots (catching or bouncing the sac off > the neck) and rainbows (a curving pass). > Mr Jacobi says hacky sac was around for years, but took off about 5 > years ago growing out of the fringe alternative and beach > communities. > "Its been taken over by clean cut kids who are serious about turning > it into a competitive sport. You always find with novelties that > they will have a five-year life span when there will be phenominal > growth. The reason hacky will survive is because these kids get > serious about it." > "Unfortunately there probably isn't going to be a competition next > year, unless someone else organises it." > He says the competitions at Muriwai Beach were informal and > unstructured affairs between friends. "It grew from there until they > became so big we had to move closer to Auckland." > ----------- > > What a load of bollocks... such moves as Parrot? gee.. no one hit > blur or anything... Oh well.. such is NZ freestyle... Good thing > there are some clean cut kids out there setting things right gee, they sound like koooool tricks to me... I mean a knee kick sounds hard! From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 4 13:16:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA20836 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:15:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA20832 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:15:56 GMT Received: from mike138@capecod.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (20829) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA20827 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:15:55 GMT Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA23298 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 05:15:56 -0800 Received: from default (mar33.capecod.net [205.230.14.33]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25899 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:15:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703041315.IAA25899@mailhost.capecod.net> From: "Mike Keymont" To: "List Footbag" Subject: [footbag] East Coast Blues Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 04:54:20 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi all, In my never ending quest to dig up players in Massachusettes, I have topped off at less than ten. 10. 5x2. 1<11. Whyeeeeeeeeeee? If you folks are withholding info to protect the innocent, you might as well give in. So here's the deal:. I will whip anyones *ss who dare come to my town, at net. There. Now, if I don't see some new players popping up around here I'll know it's because you're scared! If I do, I'll probably get my *ss whipped at net. If anyone knows Brendan McMurray (Dan Botkin's Net partner in '95), please contact me. Brendan, by the way, whipped my ass at net last year, but I think I can take him now :). It would of course be an honor to play Mr. Botkin himself, so if you're there, Dan, how's Boston Common? I played there about ten or twelve years ago at this thing called a Hacky Sack Festival. Sure was alot of people that day.......HMMM?.. Mike Keymont From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 4 13:29:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA20879 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:29:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA20875 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:29:57 GMT Received: from mike138@capecod.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (20872) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA20870 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:29:56 GMT Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA23380 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 05:29:57 -0800 Received: from default (mar33.capecod.net [205.230.14.33]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA27443 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:29:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703041329.IAA27443@mailhost.capecod.net> From: "Mike Keymont" To: "List Footbag" Subject: [footbag] Movies? Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 05:24:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Does anyone know where I can find more mpeg or quicktime movies? Most of the ones on the footbag page are broken. Are they on another server now? Using these movies has allowed me to show some newcomers that footbag isn't just Hacky Sack anymore. If someone could upload a FULL net game or send it to me, I would marry them. Or maybe just a big wet kiss:) Mike From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 4 21:29:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA22586 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:29:06 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA22582 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:29:05 GMT Received: from nleavitt@voa.gov () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (22579) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA22577 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:29:05 GMT Received: from voa2.VOA.GOV (voa2.VOA.GOV [152.75.128.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25881 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:29:06 -0800 Received: from blackfoot.VOA.GOV ([152.75.17.46]) by voa2.VOA.GOV (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18820; Tue, 4 Mar 97 16:29:01 EST Received: by blackfoot.VOA.GOV (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14343; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:28:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:28:27 -0500 From: nleavitt@voa.gov (Nadine N. Leavitt) Message-Id: <9703042128.AA14343@blackfoot.VOA.GOV> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: Footbag Digest V31 #91 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Re: Footbag/Footbirdie in China I don't know anything about 'footbirdie' in Taiwan, but I have lived in The People's Republic of China and came across something similar (if not identical). At first, I didn't realize at first what the toy was -- it looks like nothing more than a bathtub plug with two feathers (hot pink andgreen) attached to the top. Someone explained to me, however, how the game worked -- just like footbag freestyle, it appears. If I remember correctly, it was really a 'girl's' game . . . I also vaguely recall seeing a child playing with one of these feathered toys in an ancient Chinese painting. Anyone interested in pursuing this topic who lives in the Washington, DC, area should check out the Imperial Treasures from Taiwan exhibition now at the National Gallery of Art -- theyare selling a nice book in the gift shop focusing on artwork showing Chinese children at play throughout the centuries. As for 'footbirdie net'? BTW: I'd like to thank everyone for their answers and encouragement when I asked about taking up footbag/aerobic benefits thereof -- Nadine From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 4 21:49:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA22690 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:49:22 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA22686 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:49:21 GMT Received: from jbowling@deans.umd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (22683) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA22681 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:49:21 GMT Received: from Ruby.deans.umd.edu (Ruby.deans.umd.edu [128.8.10.203]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25961 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:49:21 -0800 Received: (jbowling@localhost) by Ruby.deans.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) id QAA23608; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:49:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Bowling Message-Id: <199703042149.QAA23608@Ruby.deans.umd.edu> Subject: [footbag] 1997 East Coast Footbag Championships To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:49:17 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version for DEANS 2.4-1.6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org If you haven't heard it from Bill before, the F.A.K.E. and the D.C. All-Stars are proudly announcing the 1997 EAST COAST FOOTBAG CHAMPIONSHIPS: WHERE: University of Maryland Campus, College Park, MD WHEN: April 26th and 27th (Registration: April 25th, evening) WHAT: Novice, Intermediate, Open, & Women's! Singles & Doubles Net (Novice, Intermediate, Open, & Women) Singles & Team Freestyle (Novice, Intermediate, & Open) Golf HOTEL INFORMATION: There are six rooms reserved for this tournament at the BEST WESTERN & FUN DOME in College Park. When calling to reserve a room, mention 'East Coast Championships' to receive the discounted rate of $65/night; 4 people per room. The FUN DOME includes a pool, jacuzzi, sauna, billiards, shuffleboard deck, and an arcade; PLUS, for all you freestylers, a nice open space to kick. To reserve a room, please call 1-800-528-1234. NON-HOTEL OPTION: There is space in local players houses/apartments and there is outside camping space available also. EVERYONE MUST COME! We would appreciate those who are coming to let us know so we can organize everything better. Also If you have any questions or concerns please contact either of these people: Vince Bradley Jeff Bowling pager: (301) 406-5219 home: (301) 614-9888 home: (301) 422-8738 E-mail: jbowling@deans.umd.edu E-mail: rvbpaco@wam.umd.edu Jason Langis Tu Vu office: 1-800-269-8975 home: (703) 503-7231 home: (301) 474-0955 E-mail: tuanvu@erols.com More information/updates to come! From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 5 05:41:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA24303 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 05:40:55 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA24299 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 05:40:54 GMT Received: from kicking@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (24296) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA24294 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 05:40:53 GMT Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28149 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:40:54 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA06209 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:40:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:40:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703050540.XAA06209@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Received: from por-or7-24.ix.netcom.com(204.31.113.56) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma006179; Tue Mar 4 23:40:39 1997 From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) Subject: [footbag] New KIC (er) Arrives To: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey all you listees, Just thought I would pass on the preliminaries about the birth of the long awaited Shults/KIC babe. Kendall gave birth to a son at 9:30 this morning after 28 hours of labor. I haven't heard the stats yet, and haven't wanted to call Kendall, because I think she greatly needs her rest. I will keep you posted as more info trickles in. Congratulations Kendall and Kenny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tricia From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 5 12:39:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA25316 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:39:40 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA25310 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:39:38 GMT Received: from mike138@capecod.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (25307) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA25305 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:39:37 GMT Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA30159 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 04:39:37 -0800 Received: from default (mar52.capecod.net [205.230.14.52]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19164 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:39:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703051239.HAA19164@mailhost.capecod.net> From: "Mike Keymont" To: "List Footbag" Subject: [footbag] East Coast Tourny... Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 04:34:27 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi all! Thanks for the info Tu! Is anyone else from MA interested in going to the East Coast Championships? I functionally have no car right now (subject to change soon) and would love to get there. Later Mike From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 5 13:03:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA25435 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:03:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA25430 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:03:34 GMT Received: from eric.w.tiffany@williams.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (25424) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA25422 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:03:33 GMT Received: from williams.edu (goshen.williams.edu [137.165.4.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA30316 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 05:03:33 -0800 Received: from colrain.williams.edu (colrain.williams.edu [137.165.4.4]) by goshen.williams.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16376; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:03:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.202.44.250] by colrain.williams.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/16Jul96-0543PM) id AA04186; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:03:27 -0500 Message-Id: <331D6F27.9BE@williams.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 08:14:17 -0500 From: Eric Tiffany Reply-To: Eric.W.Tiffany@williams.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Keymont Cc: List Footbag Subject: Re: [footbag] East Coast Blues References: <199703041315.IAA25899@mailhost.capecod.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Mike Keymont wrote: > In my never ending quest to dig up players in Massachusettes, I have > topped off at less than ten. 10. 5x2. 1<11. Whyeeeeeeeeeee? I have been asking myself the same question. Of course, most of the players I know of are in the Boston area, which is 3 hours from here. If you are really in Cape Cod, then you are maximally far from me (up here in Williamstown). > Botkin himself, so if you're there, Dan, how's Boston Common? I played > there about ten or twelve years ago at this thing called a Hacky Sack > Festival. Sure was alot of people that day.......HMMM?.. > Mike Keymont I was there! These days, the Common (and the Esplanade) have been pretty dead, on the infrequent occasions when I have been in Boston with enough time to check them out. Harvard Sq. has some action in the brick pit just behind the T entrance, but they're mostly slackers. Anyway, I challenge anyone to come to Williamstown and get spanked at freestyle by yours truly (not much of a challenge). ET -- __/ _ _/ Eric Tiffany etiffany@williams.edu __/ / 171 The Knolls 413-458-0284, __/ _/ Williamstown, MA 01267 2163 fax From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 5 17:33:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA26211 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:32:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA26207 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:32:51 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (26204) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA26202 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:32:50 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA31437 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:32:49 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA24528; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:32:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:32:38 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] the game in China To: "Nadine N. Leavitt" cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <9703042128.AA14343@blackfoot.VOA.GOV> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Regarding "the girl's game" Here in vancouver there is a large community of recent immigrants from China and other asian countries.... And on occasion, when I'm trying to draw innocent passersby in to kick with me ;-), I get a wierd reaction from some of the younger chinese guys. There's usually a bit of a language barrier, but I've gathered that it's sort of like I've asked them to come over and play dolls with me! :-) Juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 5 17:43:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA26248 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:43:10 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA26244 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:43:09 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (26241) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA26239 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:43:08 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA31487 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:43:08 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA27694; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:39:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:39:17 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: Re: [footbag] New KIC (er) Arrives To: D&T George cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <199703050540.XAA06209@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Waaaaahhoooooo !!!! Way to go Kendall !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Waiting intensely for more details, juliet On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, D&T George wrote: > Hey all you listees, > > Just thought I would pass on the preliminaries about the birth of the > long awaited Shults/KIC babe. Kendall gave birth to a son at 9:30 this > morning after 28 hours of labor. I haven't heard the stats yet, and > haven't wanted to call Kendall, because I think she greatly needs her > rest. I will keep you posted as more info trickles in. > > Congratulations Kendall and Kenny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Tricia > From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 5 17:43:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA26265 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:43:49 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA26261 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:43:48 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (26258) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA26256 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:43:48 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA31495 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:43:48 -0800 Received: from coffee.cs.uidaho.edu (coffee.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.77]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id JAA04301; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by coffee.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id JAA23160; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:43:36 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: coffee.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:43:35 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand To: D&T George cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] New KIC (er) Arrives In-Reply-To: <199703050540.XAA06209@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Okay, I've just got to get this cleared up: What is KIC? Is it an achronym? Is it her true last name; will she not accept Kenny's last name? Is the new baby taking the name KIC? (subject threw me off) ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 5 18:59:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA26639 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:58:35 GMT Received: from jcurtis@hpmfas4.cup.hp.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (26548) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA26546 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:42:24 GMT Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [15.253.88.10]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA31831 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:42:24 -0800 Received: from hpmfas4.cup.hp.com (hpgsyc61.cup.hp.com [15.13.173.157]) by palrel3.hp.com with SMTP (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17594 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:42:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by hpmfas4.cup.hp.com (1.38.193.4/15.5+IOS 3.20+cup+OMrelay) id AA05620; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:40:26 -0800 From: jcurtis@hpmfas4.cup.hp.com (Jim Curtis) Message-Id: <9703051040.ZM5618@hpgsyc61.cup.hp.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:40:26 -0800 In-Reply-To: Matt Hillebrand "Re: [footbag] New KIC (er) Arrives" (Mar 5, 9:43am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: Matt Hillebrand Subject: Re: [footbag] New KIC (er) Arrives Cc: footbag@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Mar 5, 9:43am, Matt Hillebrand wrote: > > ... will she not accept Kenny's last name? > Why should she sacrifice her identity? Will HE not accept HER last name? JC From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 5 19:38:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA26763 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:37:37 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA26759 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:37:35 GMT Received: from ukickit@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (26756) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA26754 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:37:35 GMT Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA32109 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:37:35 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA02803 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:37:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:37:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703051937.NAA02803@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Received: from por-or6-11.ix.netcom.com(199.35.206.203) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma002785; Wed Mar 5 13:37:04 1997 From: ukickit@ix.netcom.com (Ken Shults) Subject: [footbag] It's a boy! To: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Kendall KIC and Kenny Shults proudly announce the arrival of Jasper Albert Shults An 8 pound, 4 ounce handsome and happy baby boy Kendall went through 24 hours of natural drug-free labor prior to trying 4 1/2 hours on an epidural with contraction inducement medication but this baby just wouldn't get himself into the right position so at 9:25 a.m. Tuesday Morning baby Jasper was delivered by C-Section. The doctor said that the baby appeared to have been attempting some unusual maneuvers with his feet and legs which had resulted in his awkward positioning (Baby's first Blurry Whirling Swirl perhaps?). Mom and baby will be home on Friday. We can pick up e-mail at the hospital and mom would love to hear from any well wishers. Kenny Shults (aka Jasper's Daddy) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 5 22:38:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA27394 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:38:26 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA27390 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:38:24 GMT Received: from ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (27387) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA27385 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:38:23 GMT Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00107 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:38:24 -0800 Received: from coinc0.coin.missouri.edu (coinc0 [198.209.253.6]) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13702; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:35:37 -0600 (CST) Received: by coinc0.coin.missouri.edu (8.8.5) id QAA28146; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:35:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:35:35 -0600 (CST) From: Ida Bettis Fogle X-Sender: ifogle@coinc0 To: Matt Hillebrand cc: D&T George , footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] New KIC (er) Arrives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Matt Hillebrand wrote: > Okay, I've just got to get this cleared up: > > What is KIC? Is it an achronym? Is it her true last name; will she not > accept Kenny's last name? > Or is the question, will Kenny not accept her last name? As a footbagger, I wouldn't want to let go of a name like that. Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu editor, The Parenting Review From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 6 00:28:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA27788 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:28:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA27784 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:28:19 GMT Received: from humungis@kode.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (27781) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA27779 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:28:18 GMT Received: from bsd1.kode.net (bsd1.kode.net [206.42.219.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00616 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:28:20 -0800 Received: from kodenet.kode.net (ppp-47.kode.net [206.42.219.66]) by bsd1.kode.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA15330 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:39:50 -0800 Message-ID: <331E0F65.593@Kode.net> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 19:27:17 -0500 From: Paul Munger X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] It's a boy! References: <199703051937.NAA02803@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Congrats to the new baby boy!! Sounds like he was shredd'in pretty hard to get out but in the end moms pelvic bones prevailed. I am sure you will welcome this new life's change with open arms and hearts. Babies are the most beautiful things on the planet and I know that you guys will take care of him with all of the same love and passion you have for the sport of footbag. Kendall, get well soon and recover quickly. Ken, start your home instuctional vidieos now so when your son is ready to learn, you will beable to give proper instruction from your wheel chair.(hehe) Really, congrats!! You have waited along time for this. ENJOY! See you guys at worlds. Hu-Mungis and family From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 6 02:34:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA28108 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:34:36 GMT Received: from hungchang_at_bldg2@ca.slr.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (27671) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA27669 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:03:09 GMT From: HungChang_at_BLDG2@ca.slr.com Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00515 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:02:56 -0800 Received: from dns.slr.com by relay3.smtp.psi.net (8.8.3/SMI-5.4-PSI) id TAA22325; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ca.slr.com ([158.116.9.16]) by dns.slr.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA24868; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:01:47 -0800 Received: from ccMail by ca.slr.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA857605861; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:24:58 PST Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:24:58 PST Message-Id: <9702058576.AA857605861@ca.slr.com> To: nleavitt@voa.gov, Juliet Pendray Cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] the game in China Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Footbirdie is considered a traditional children's game in Taiwan, where I was originally from. It is considered more of a girl game, partly because girls are more flexible, therefore makes them better kickers. However, I believe most kids today don't kick anymore due to other more modern toys (ie video games). I remembered when I was in 2nd grade I had to pick a sport for a physical education class. I wanted to pick dodge ball, but my teacher ,who considered me a troublemaker, made me take the footbirdie class which was taught by herself. She taught us how to make a footbirdie, but she didn't know how to kick it. I end up learning it myself and ended with a record of 10 consecutive kicks barefooted! For other Asians, I have found that many southeast Asians knows how to kick. Vietnamese have their own special footbirdie which they also kick over a net. And of course, they all have seen or played takraw. For example, last time we were kicking net indoor with a bunch of Asian badminton players, a Vietnamese kid (@16) walked up to kick takraw with me. He was way better than most novice net players I've kicked with. Hung ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [footbag] the game in China Author: Juliet Pendray at uucpmail Date: 3/5/97 10:36 AM Regarding "the girl's game" Here in vancouver there is a large community of recent immigrants from China and other asian countries.... And on occasion, when I'm trying to draw innocent passersby in to kick with me ;-), I get a wierd reaction from some of the younger chinese guys. There's usually a bit of a language barrier, but I've gathered that it's sort of like I've asked them to come over and play dolls with me! :-) Juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 6 04:49:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA28656 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 04:49:42 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA28652 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 04:49:39 GMT Received: from dbotkin@family.hampshire.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (28649) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA28647 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 04:49:39 GMT Received: from family.hampshire.edu (family.hampshire.edu [192.101.188.104]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01766 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:49:40 -0800 Received: (from dbotkin@localhost) by family.hampshire.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA09528 for footbag@footbag.org; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:55:41 -0500 From: Daniel Botkin Message-Id: <199703060455.XAA09528@family.hampshire.edu> Subject: [footbag] footbag mentors update To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:55:41 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey Footbag Friends, The Footbag Mentors Project continues to be a great success in 97 and has been re-funded for another year! Basically FMP is an after school peer leadership & training program for at-risk teens focussed specifically on footbag, footbag making as well as a smattering of health education and violence prevention curriculum. The group meets twice weekly in Greenfield, Mass (Wed/Fri 3:00-5:00) as well as frequent outreach workshops for other youth in different locales. I would love my kids to meet any serious freestylers passing through this way. Most are still working on their basic kicking skills however they would be awed to meet and be mentored by some of you dedicated pros. (Thanks to video they no longer believe that D. Dog is the best "hacker" in the world...) I too would love to shake some of these winter blues with a high flyin kick or two. As has been mentioned, Mass suffers a dearth of dedicated kickers. On the personal side, Jannie and I are 3 months pregnant (mostly her). Im hoping they'll let us on a plane at 8 months. Baby or no, Worlds comes only once a year, right?! we'll see... Congrats Kendall and Kenny KIC. Peace to all gravity dancers! Daniel Dog (413) 863-8696 From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 6 05:33:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA28864 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 05:33:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA28860 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 05:33:01 GMT Received: from kicking@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (28857) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA28855 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 05:33:00 GMT Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01976 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:33:00 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA04866; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:32:28 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:32:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703060532.XAA04866@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Received: from por-or10-22.ix.netcom.com(204.31.113.150) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma004255; Wed Mar 5 23:31:58 1997 From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) Subject: Re: [footbag] New KIC (er) Arrives To: Matt Hillebrand Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org You wrote: > >Okay, I've just got to get this cleared up: > >What is KIC? Is it an achronym? Is it her true last name; It is her legal and true last name. Kendall was an avid soccer player before footbag and she took it on around that time. will she not >accept Kenny's last name? What kind of question is that? Kenny might well have taken the name KIC for himself, instead they decided to keep their own individual and unique last names. > >Is the new baby taking the name KIC? (subject threw me off) > You'll have to ask them.........:-) Tricia From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 6 07:28:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA29244 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:27:52 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA29240 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:27:50 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (29237) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA29235 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:27:49 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02357 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:27:51 -0800 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id XAA23514; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id XAA25613; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:27:27 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 23:27:27 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand To: D&T George cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] New KIC (er) Arrives In-Reply-To: <199703060532.XAA04866@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, D&T George wrote: > You wrote: > > > >Okay, I've just got to get this cleared up: > > > >What is KIC? Is it an achronym? Is it her true last name; > > > It is her legal and true last name. Kendall was an avid soccer player > before footbag and she took it on around that time. > > > will she not > >accept Kenny's last name? > > > What kind of question is that? ... Well, Tricia, you have separated my question. It was connected with a semicolon. I, unfortunately, asked if it was her true last name, in otherwords, her name is not Kendall Shults as it appears on that players list < http://www.ponyexpress.net/~stoney-r/index.html > that doesn't exist anymore. (Steve, what's up with that?) Please don't mutilate posting and misquote me and try to make me look like some sort of bad guy. thanks. ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 6 17:40:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA30903 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:40:29 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA30899 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:40:27 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (30896) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA30894 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:40:26 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05170 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:40:26 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA14302; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:40:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:40:25 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] rec.sport.footbag To: footbag@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Greetings all! If anyone feels like venting their spleen today ... the newsgroup is discussing why "women can't hack." Juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 6 19:41:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA31385 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:41:29 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA31381 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:41:27 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (31378) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA31376 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:41:26 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05849 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:41:26 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18267 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:41:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [footbag] rec.sport.footbag Message-Id: <000000125602940522137@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 13:42:16 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.7.3 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Thu, Mar 6, 1997, 5:40:25 PM GMT Juliet Pendray wrote: >If anyone feels like venting their spleen today ... the newsgroup is >discussing why "women can't hack." !?! Really. I've never read the newsgroup. Sounds like they are in their own little world, and I in mine. How many on the footbag listserv also keep tabs on the newsgroup? Derrick Fogle From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 6 20:35:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA31652 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:35:13 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA31648 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:35:11 GMT Received: from swingert@creighton.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (31645) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA31643 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:35:10 GMT Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu (bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06139 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:35:04 -0800 Received: from [147.134.107.135] (kie135.creighton.edu) by bluejay.creighton.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA180910487; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:34:47 -0600 X-Sender: swingert@bluejay.creighton.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:44:46 -0600 To: footbag@footbag.org From: swingert@creighton.edu (Sean Wingert) Subject: [footbag] Midwest Kicker Query Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi everyone! I have two questions: 1. I have my 1-week Spring Break coming this Monday. I live in Omaha, NE and am wondering if anyone from the Midwest is interested in a shred session! I'm happy to drive, so please let me know if you're interested. 2. I'm trying to contact a fellow footbagger who kicked at the Alpha-Schwa Omega and Flint Michigan jams. His name is Corey, and if anyone knows him, I'd really appreciate his e-mail and/or phone. Thanks! Sean From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 6 21:50:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA31916 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 21:50:38 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA31912 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 21:50:37 GMT Received: from shahrayar@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (31909) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA31907 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 21:50:36 GMT From: SHAHRAYAR@aol.com Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.42]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06515 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 13:50:36 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA29859 for footbag@footbag.org; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:50:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:50:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970306165033_719738998@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] rec.sport.footbag Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Thu, Mar 6, 1997, 5:40:25 PM GMT Juliet Pendray wrote: >If anyone feels like venting their spleen today ... the newsgroup is >discussing why "women can't hack." !?! Really. I've never read the newsgroup. Sounds like they are in their own little world, and I in mine. How many on the footbag listserv also keep tabs on the newsgroup? Derrick Fogle I have rec.sports.footbag on my newsgroup list and check it quite frequently. Generally, nothing of any interest or importance is listed on this group. I don't even know why I still look at it, it is usually people who just do not have a clue about footbag. My advice is to pretend that this group does not exist and stick with this one. Hey Josh, yeah, I fixed the whole in that juice, found another one too. Oh yeah, the check in the mail :-) Jim McCoppin From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 6 22:05:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA31992 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:05:08 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA31988 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:05:05 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (31985) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA31983 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:05:03 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06615 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:05:05 -0800 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id OAA08849; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id OAA29270; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:05:00 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:05:00 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand To: Sean Wingert cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Midwest Kicker Query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Sean Wingert wrote: >I'm trying to contact a fellow footbagger who kicked at the Alpha-Schwa >Omega and Flint Michigan jams. Alpha-Schwa? Is this the new experimental schwag? If you need a ginnie pig, you know my email address. :) ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 6 22:25:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA32093 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:24:50 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA32089 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:24:49 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (32086) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA32084 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:24:49 GMT Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com ([206.214.98.11]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06695 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:24:46 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA04017 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:23:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from unknown(207.92.232.219) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma004000; Thu Mar 6 16:23:43 1997 Received: by IBM2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BC2A3B.07FF2510@IBM2>; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:31:08 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC2A3B.07FF2510@IBM2> From: Mike Niday To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [footbag] rec.sport.footbag Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:31:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >>> I have rec.sports.footbag on my newsgroup list and check it quite frequently. Generally, nothing of any interest or importance is listed on this group. I don't even know why I still look at it, it is usually people who just do not have a clue about footbag. My advice is to pretend that this group does not exist and stick with this one. <<< Maybe a good idea would be to post messages to that newsgroup to let them know about this group, or any good information about footbag. It seems to me that a group of people who don't know zap about footbag, but are dedicated and curious enough to be on that list would be *prime* candidates for further info ! :-) Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 6 23:06:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA32343 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:06:35 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA32339 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:06:33 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (32336) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA32334 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:06:32 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06887 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:06:34 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA26158 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 17:06:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [footbag] Newsgroup Message-Id: <000000125662940534450@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 17:07:30 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.7.3 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: footbag@footbag.org (Footbag Listserve) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I think we should create a *One Way* feed from the listserve to the = newsgroup. Especially the freestyle list when we start bickering about Paradox. The results could be amusing :) Derrick Fogle= From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 7 02:54:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA00438 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 02:53:34 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA00434 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 02:53:32 GMT Received: from shahrayar@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (431) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA00429 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 02:53:31 GMT From: SHAHRAYAR@aol.com Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.97]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07948 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:53:30 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA13630 for footbag@footbag.org; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 21:53:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 21:53:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970306215326_985915674@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] rec.sport.footbag Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org In a message dated 97-03-06 18:00:46 EST, you write: << Maybe a good idea would be to post messages to that newsgroup to let them know about this group, or any good information about footbag. It seems to me that a group of people who don't know zap about footbag, but are dedicated and curious enough to be on that list would be *prime* candidates for further info ! :-) >>Actually, people have posted messages to that newsgroup letting them know about this one, I believe I saw one from Steve about a month ago. I guess they either didn't read them, or don't want to go to the trouble of doing it... From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 7 03:22:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA00663 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 03:22:25 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA00659 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 03:22:24 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (656) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA00654 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 03:22:23 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08063 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:22:23 -0800 Received: from [17.255.70.146] ([17.255.70.146]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA14699 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:14:27 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970306215326_985915674@emout06.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:19:19 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] rec.sport.footbag Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 6:53 PM -0800 3/6/97, Jim McCoppin wrote: >Actually, people have posted messages to that newsgroup letting them know >about this one, I believe I saw one from Steve about a month ago. I guess >they either didn't read them, or don't want to go to the trouble of doing >it... Please everyone understand that there is a huge difference between a "newsgroup" and an "e-mail list". This is an e-mail list. (And if I had better access to net news, I'd probably post more frequently on the e-mail list; about every two months I currently post a "faq" to the list and sometimes answer questions but my newsfeed is terrible so I cannot always see the messages.) Anyway, I beg people *not* to post messages to the newsgroup telling them to send to footbag@footbag.org. We are a subscription-only discussion group. Don't get me wrong, I want to get more people on our list, but we have to ensure they enter the correct way. If you choose to mention the discussion list on the newsgroup(s), *please* refer people to the WEB PAGE about our discussion list, and not to the list itself. The URL for the web page is: http://www.footbag.org/discussion.html Thanks. Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 10 04:53:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA00230 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:52:46 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA00194 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:52:41 GMT Received: from kicking@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (183) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA00174 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:52:39 GMT Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16726 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:37:37 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA27185; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:37:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:37:24 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703080637.AAA27185@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Received: from por-or15-08.ix.netcom.com(205.184.181.104) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma027180; Sat Mar 8 00:37:06 1997 From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) Subject: Re: [footbag] New KIC (er) Arrives To: Matt Hillebrand Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org You wrote: > >On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, D&T George wrote: > >> You wrote: >> >> >> will she not >> >accept Kenny's last name? >> >> >> What kind of question is that? ... > >Well, Tricia, you have separated my question. > >Please don't mutilate posting and misquote me and try to make me >look like some sort of bad guy. > >thanks. > I believe that what I was responding to was your above question......*will she not accept Kenny's last name* Mutilation? I don't understand.....:-) Tricia >______________________________________ From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 10 04:53:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA00237 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:52:48 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA00214 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:52:43 GMT Received: from kicking@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (193) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA00182 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:52:39 GMT Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16777 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:44:11 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA00923; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:44:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:44:07 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703080644.AAA00923@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Received: from por-or15-08.ix.netcom.com(205.184.181.104) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000901; Sat Mar 8 00:44:00 1997 From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) Subject: Re: [footbag] New KIC (er) Arrives To: Matt Hillebrand Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org You wrote: > >On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, D&T George wrote: > >> You wrote: >> > >> >> will she not >> >accept Kenny's last name? >> >> >Please don't mutilate posting and misquote me and try to make me >look like some sort of bad guy. I think I responded frankly to a very direct question on your part, semi colon or not. It is not in my power to make you look like anything....bad or good....that is up to you. > >thanks. > >______________________________________________________________________ >Matt P. Hillebrand >hill9361@uidaho.edu >http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 > >hootie AND phish blow > > From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 10 03:39:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA02050 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 03:39:12 GMT Received: from noni@sttl1.sttl.uswest.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (147) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA00140 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:52:36 GMT Received: from sttl1.sttl.uswest.net (sttl1.sttl.uswest.net [206.81.192.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25317 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:50:30 -0800 Received: from default (Cust90.Max10.Seattle.WA.MS.UU.NET [153.34.39.218]) by sttl1.sttl.uswest.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA03969; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:50:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3321D09F.1B0D@mail.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 12:48:31 -0800 From: Yossarian Kelley X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-US202 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org CC: masternoni@msn.com Subject: [footbag] (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org HOWDY KICKERS! Online at last! Spring is in the air, Yossarian Kelley is pumped on this seasons tournaments.Hello to all the folks up in Vancouver,is anyone going to the Redondo beach tourney? Companion fares are available at a discounted rate, if interested contact me through my roomates e-mail address above. Feel free to contact me just to say hi. Hello to all the N.P.R,Sole Purpose, FreefloE, BAFL,Santa Cruz, Oops baggers also. CONGRATULATIONS SIMON ON YOUR RECOVERY! I hope big air is in your future! Bye for now, Yossarian From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 10 04:26:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA02237 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:26:26 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA02233 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:26:25 GMT Received: from mongooz@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2230) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA02228 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:26:25 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04755 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 20:26:21 -0800 Received: from localhost (mongooz@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA00794 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 20:26:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 20:26:12 -0800 (PST) From: "A. Ronald" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] howdy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Well greetings fellow travelers. So many new people arriving on the net scene these days. I have actually been hanging around here for a couple of weeks now, just browsing around sorta. It never really occurred to me to make a general announcement of my presence, until I saw Yo saying hi, by the way Yo I was trying to get a hold of you to let you know that my trip south has been postponed indefinitely. So here goes: I hereby christen thee... ahem ah sorry wrong speech... Oh well forget the speech, here I am alive and kicking, nice to be here. Andy Ronald Kits Kickers mongooz wuz heerz.....! From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 10 16:40:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA04440 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:40:46 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA04436 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:40:44 GMT Received: from kicking@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4433) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA04431 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:40:44 GMT Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09452; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:40:32 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA15912; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:40:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:40:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703101640.KAA15912@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> Received: from por-or13-08.ix.netcom.com(205.184.181.40) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma015844; Mon Mar 10 10:38:57 1997 From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) Subject: [footbag] Child care at Worlds To: footbag@footbag.org Cc: worlds@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey there mothers and fathers, It is time for me to start making plans for child care during the World Championships in Portland this summer. I am working to line up some off site and on site child care for those that are bringing their children. I need to get an estimate of how many children will be coming and during which times you would like to have some help with child care. This will be paid help, so expect to pay very fair wages to those that will be working. We are checking on a licensed day care across the street from Kendall's house that might allow us to use her space if we bring our own help. This is not yet guaranteed. We hope to have Volunteer older adults overseeing paid young adults. If you have other ideas, please let me know. Some of you may want to hire your own personal nanny during the day.....please let me know if this is the case....and well in advance so that I can work on finding the ideal situation for you. Cheers. Tricia George From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 11 23:23:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA11492 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:21:47 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA11488 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:21:45 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (11485) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA11483 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:21:45 GMT Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10208 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:21:34 -0800 Received: from [204.148.85.82] (d82.dialnet1.interaccess.com [204.148.85.82]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id RAA25846 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:20:32 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:29:54 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: [footbag] MFA on WGN9-Chicago TV, March 12 - 6:30a.m. Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi everyone! Just tootin' our horn... Scott and Valeria Davidson will be representing the Midwest Footbag Association on WGN, Channel 9 (in Chicago). The show is a live news program, and they have allotted over 10 minutes to us! The show starts at 6:00 a.m. Central, and we are on at 6:45 a.m. WGN is heavily syndicated on cable, but I don't know if they broadcast our local news or how they work that. So for sure, if you are in the Chicago viewing area, please watch us at 6:45 on March 12th. If you get WGN on your tv, it will be worth a look-see. We love this sport! See ya! Scott and Valeria Davidson From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 12 15:55:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA14735 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:55:26 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA14731 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:55:25 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (14728) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA14726 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:55:24 GMT Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.70.126.131]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16484 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:55:20 -0800 Received: from [207.70.66.100] (d100.cloud.interaccess.com [207.70.66.100]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA12004 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:55:02 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:03:45 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: [footbag] footbag.org on our clothes? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi everyone! We are putting our artwork together for our Midwest Regionals surprise "free entry" item (instead of t-shirts, we have drawers full of tourney shirts), and it occurred to us that we should put: FOOTBAG WORLDWIDE www.footbag.org ...on our "free entry" item. Then we thought, why not encourage all the people who might be making t-shirts or other imprinted items to put that reference on their artwork. Especially if you are doing a t-shirt and you are contractually obligated to put sponsor artwork on the back (sometimes it gets pretty cluttered back there), then you can find a place to squeeze in the Footbag Worldwide website address on there. Make sure it says footbag.org (NOT .com). I hope Steve doesn't think this is a bad idea for promotion, or maybe he was just too humble to ask us to help promote it... no that's probably not it. Anyway, footbag.org is the coolest site on the internet and we are proud to include it in our artwork, and on all of our printed materials related to this and all of our events! See ya! Scott Davidson Midwest Footbag Association From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 12 18:07:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA15334 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:07:48 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA15330 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:07:45 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (15327) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA15325 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:07:45 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17295 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:08:11 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA10165; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:08:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:08:08 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] Cdn. kickers on T.V. in Australia?! To: footbag@footbag.org cc: aloe@vcn.bc.ca Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Greetings! Was wondering if any of you Australians out there have seen a TV show recently, showing Scott & Chard freestyling? Nope - I have no idea *where* in Australia, or when, or what station, or anything yet... But maybe someone saw it anyways? Juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 13 06:41:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA18531 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 06:41:41 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA18527 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 06:41:40 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (18524) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA18522 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 06:41:40 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22045 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:42:11 -0800 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BnH02310; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:41:51 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:27:36 PST Subject: [footbag] I need video! Message-ID: <19970313.013915.4830.4.dervish@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5,7-9 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I'm trying to put together a video I'll be making several copies of, for press releases and general screaming-from-the-mountain stuff. Does anyone have a good copy of the 'Amazing Sports' spot? I'm also looking for media coverage of any kind, radio recordings, and *definitely* the television news shots featuring Scott and Val... I definitely need relatively good quality stuff, I'm sorry Tu and Jim - Thanks a whole lot, but the Volume was way too low. JP From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 13 15:09:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA20163 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:09:52 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA20158 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:09:50 GMT Received: from david_vanderlaan@mail.okbu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (20155) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA20153 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:09:49 GMT Received: from mail.okbu.edu (mail.okbu.edu [164.58.90.70]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA25502 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 07:10:24 -0800 Received: from Computer_Center-Message_Server by mail.okbu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:09:50 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:59:40 -0600 From: David Vanderlaan To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] history time! Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org A question... I remember reading an article sometime ago on the origins of footbag. Aparently it began with Chinese royalty who decided to kick balls of hair around? If anyone can expand on that bit of uncertainty, it would be appreciated. Later, David. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 13 17:31:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA20729 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:30:50 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA20725 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:30:48 GMT Received: from shahrayar@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (20722) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA20720 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:30:48 GMT From: SHAHRAYAR@aol.com Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.45]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26144 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:31:23 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA21266 for footbag@footbag.org; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:31:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:31:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970313122938_986637219@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] history time! Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org A question... I remember reading an article sometime ago on the origins of footbag. Aparently it began with Chinese royalty who decided to kick balls of hair around? If anyone can expand on that bit of uncertainty, it would be appreciated. Later, David. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Yeah, it was an ancient king of China I think. But he didn't really "invent" footbag. He merely came up with the concept of keeping something aloft with one's feet for recreation. He had his army do it as an exercise. That king is attributed by some people as the "originator" of footbag and soccer, just the concept I think. If you want to know the true history of foobag though, ask Kenny. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 13 17:50:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA20907 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:50:29 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA20903 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:50:29 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (20900) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA20898 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:50:28 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26227 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:51:04 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18568; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:51:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:51:01 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] ESPN coverage.... To: footbag@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Greetings! I recall that there was a date in March mentioned, when the ESPN thing would be rebroadcast: Anyone know when? Juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 13 18:03:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA21062 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:02:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA21058 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:02:57 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (21055) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA21053 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:02:56 GMT Received: from [17.255.70.146] ([17.255.70.146]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26294; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:03:26 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:03:23 -0800 To: Juliet Pendray From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] ESPN coverage.... Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 9:51 AM -0800 3/13/97, Juliet Pendray wrote: >I recall that there was a date in March mentioned, when the ESPN thing >would be rebroadcast: Anyone know when? Well, according to the Footbag World article : --- ESPN's program "Unbelievable Sports" will nationally televise this year's Worlds. Be sure to watch it on March 24th, and again on April 9th, 1997. Check your local listings for times in your area. --- Hope that was helpful. Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 13 19:41:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA21464 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:41:06 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA21460 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:41:05 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (21457) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA21455 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:41:05 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26990 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:41:41 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10503 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:41:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: [footbag] Footbag History Message-Id: <000000136752941126969@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:42:49 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.8 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: footbag@footbag.org (Footbag Listserve) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org =46ootbag may be based on any number of kicking games from other times = and/or cultures, but the sport of footbag itself is an American game, developed in the early 1970's by John Stalberger and Mike Marshall. I interviewed John Stalberger about the genesis of footbag for an article = in the FEATSheet. If I can dig up a copy of it, I'll post it on = www.footbag.org for people to peruse. In the meantime, here are a few basics: Mike Marshall evidently picked up the game, or at least the idea for the game, from an American Indian in the late '60's or early '70's. The first "footbags" were pancake-like beanbags made by stitching two round patches of denim together and filling it with, well, whatever. Marshall's early version of footbag was reportedly, "...Totally freestyle, bumping the bag off all parts of the body. The only thing that was off- limits was the hands." In the early '70's, Stalberger met Marshall and the two became friends. The two were actually very different personalities; Marshall being a slightly eccentric 'free soul' while Stalberger was a more practical athlete who suffered severe knee injuries in college sports. But the friendship stuck, and the two soon found themselves inviting each other and anyone else nearby to "hack the sack" - thus the name of the first footbag, the "Hacky Sack." Mike Marshall suffered a fatal heart attack not long after he and = Stalberger had gotten really into hacking the sack. Stalberger, shaken by his close friend's death, decided to persue this fantastic hobby that Marshall and he had come to love so dearly. Stalberger started experimenting with bag designs, at last coming up with the baseball-style 2-panel Hacky Sack that was patented in (i think) 1977. Stalberger also pioneered the competetive aspects of the game, and = developed a more athletic approach to learning and developing footbag play. When Stalberger first started kicking a bag, he found that the kicking movements without the strain of heavy or bouncy objects helped re-develop his knee mobility and strength without straining it. The rest of the history, with the original National Hacky Sack Association, the rise of the first competetive 'giants' of the sport, and the creation of the World Footbag Association, are much more documented and accessible. Sorry I don't have more accurate dates on hand, but my version of history is about events and their significance, not specific dates and places. There are others on this list that could share many fascinating details and anecdotes about the early history and development of footbag. I'd like to hear some more myself! Derrick Fogle= From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 13 19:54:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA21526 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:54:46 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA21522 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:54:45 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (21519) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA21517 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:54:45 GMT Received: from [17.255.70.146] ([17.255.70.146]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27095 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:55:21 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000000136752941126969@mlerf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:55:08 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] Footbag History Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Derrick did a great job of describing the basic history of the sport. But, as if this really bears repeating, I'll say it ONE MORE TIME for David Vanderlaan's sake if nobody else's: ** There is this little thing called the FOOTBAG WORLDWIDE INFORMATION SERVICE. It has a FAQ (Frequently-Asked Questions) page. The URL is: http://www.footbag.org/faq/ At the very beginning of it, you'll find a similar description to what Derrick just posted, since "Where did footbag come from?" is a very common question. Now, the reason I'm writing this is not to bitch because nobody ever looks at the website (which I spend HOURS a week maintaining) before asking questions on the list (although I could bitch about it if I wanted to; okay, fine I'm bitching about it, so sue me... :-)). :-) The real reason is this: IF YOU HAVE ANSWERS TO FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS that you'd like to see on the website (even though nobody looks at it), please send them to me! (Obviously, include the question *and* the answer, not just the answer. It's not footbag Jeopardy(tm)(R)[sic].) And no, I don't want questions w/o answers either. Thanks. Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 14 01:18:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA23009 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:17:51 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA23005 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:17:49 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (23002) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA23000 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:17:48 GMT Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00860 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:17:59 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA07256 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:17:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from unknown(207.92.232.219) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma007241; Thu Mar 13 19:17:24 1997 Received: by IBM2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BC2FD2.4BBF5800@IBM2>; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:16:32 -0800 Message-ID: <01BC2FD2.4BBF5800@IBM2> From: Mike Niday To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: [footbag] RE: History time ! Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:16:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >>> I remember reading an article sometime ago on the origins of footbag. Aparently it began with Chinese royalty who decided to kick balls of hair around? If anyone can expand on that bit of uncertainty, it would be appreciated. Later, David. <<< I thought only cats hacked hair balls ! ( heh heh ) :-) Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 14 04:17:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA23660 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 04:17:45 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA23656 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 04:17:43 GMT Received: from jimmyc@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (23653) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA23651 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 04:17:43 GMT Received: from ns1.aplatform.com (ns1.aplatform.com [204.29.139.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03008 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:17:53 -0800 Received: from [204.29.139.80] (jcaveney.aplatform.com [204.29.139.80]) by ns1.aplatform.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09604 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:17:43 -0800 X-Sender: jcaveney@aplatform.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000000136752941126969@mlerf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:18:07 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Jim Caveney Subject: Re: [footbag] Story Telling (previously Footbag History) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >Derrick Fogle wrote: >There are others on this list that could share many fascinating details >and anecdotes about the early history and development of footbag. I'd like >to hear some more myself! Weeeelll sonny (you asked for it). When I started playing hacky sack, er uh, footbag that is, there were some real crazy folk that were gittin' involved. My first introduction into any organized form of the sport led me to this settlement called Oregon City, Oregon. That was where it all started ya know. They was wild. It was in the Spring of '81 that 'bout 30 of us attended the National Hacky Sack Footbag Training Camp. Yep, thur wer sum wild'uns. There was this short little Hobbit-like fellow named Ted Huff. He taught me some mysterious ways to break-in a hacky. Then there were these folks that demonstrated amazing control. People like Michael Noonin and Robert "Moonin" Conover could do these high-flyin' kicks where they would actually contact the bag about eight feet in the air with one leg horizontal to the ground, while the other foot would give a beaver-like slap to the bag from underneath. And who could forget the grace and style of Lori Jean "Queen Beaver" Tarr who would make beautiful rainbows. Yep, they were the tricksters alright. Then they had this new game they were playin' too, over a five foot net (cuz the eight foot net they used to play over made the short guys feel .... well... short! Anyway, a few of the great teachers of the game included The Coach, Garwin Bruce, Billy "smoothest backkick in the game" Hayne, Mag "my main mentor man" Hughes, and of course the originator of the game, Johnny "Mr. Hacky Sack" Stalberger. Rick Kaufman got the award for coming the furthest distance (New Jersey). He became the biggest promoter east of the Mississippi. Fred Kipley and Gary Preston of Wisconsin later toured the midwest for the National Hacky Sack Association. Gary Lautt, who introduced me to the sport, began pushing the consecutive envelope back then and never stopped. He currently holds the doubles record at 123,456 with Tricia George. Of all the attendees, the wildest of them all of course was this beast known as Animal. He got his nick-name back then at that camp for biting the back of the neck of one of the instructors, Greg Cortopassi (who was pretty excited in his own right). Animal was so lit during the camp he would jump up and down at the top of the bleachers, bellowing out that big laugh of his (if ever you heard it you'd never forget it). Anyway, he bit Greg in the back of the neck while Greg was grading the participants' tests. Greg turned in shock and yelled "you're an animal, is what you are, you are nothin but an animal." Well, there'll be more tales to tell later. Be sure to come out to the World Championships this year. You'll get to meet many of the old crusties that helped the game grow. And if you really want to spend some quality time with the old-timers (and lots of fun new folk too) come out to the Moonin' and Noonin' Beaver Open over the Labor Day weekend. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 14 15:34:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00209 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:33:34 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00205 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:33:32 GMT Received: from stoler@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (202) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00200 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:33:32 GMT Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06067 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 07:33:28 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA13077 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:33:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from lax-ca25-08.ix.netcom.com(204.31.254.40) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma013054; Fri Mar 14 09:32:56 1997 Received: by lax-ca50-19.ix.netcom.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC304A.14AE4650@lax-ca50-19.ix.netcom.com>; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 07:33:59 -0800 Message-ID: <01BC304A.14AE4650@lax-ca50-19.ix.netcom.com> From: Michael Stoler To: "'footbag'" Subject: [footbag] Nets needed for the Southern California Footbag Championships Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 07:32:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi list. If you or someone you know is coming down for the Southern California Footbag Championships and have a net set we use, please write me. Thanks. -Rex From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 14 17:09:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00553 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:08:40 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00549 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:08:38 GMT Received: from wfa4u@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (546) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00544 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:08:37 GMT From: WFA4U@aol.com Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.43]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06645 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:08:37 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA28671; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 12:08:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 12:08:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970314120834_-2074651631@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: David_Vanderlaan@mail.okbu.edu cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] history time! Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi David, You wrote: >A question... >I remember reading an article sometime ago on the origins of >footbag. Aparently it began with Chinese royalty who decided to >kick balls of hair around? If anyone can expand on that bit of >uncertainty, it would be appreciated. According to one source we found, the first kicking game was developed by Chinese Emperor Hwang Ti in 2597 B.C.. Ti's kicking object was constructed of leather, filled with hair, and was oblong in shape. This rudimentary kicking object was called a "football," and the game was Kemari. Kemari was not only enjoyed by the fun-seeking Chinese, but was utilized by the Emperor's military for physical training and conditioning pruposes. Kickingly yours, Bruce Guettich World Footbag Association From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 14 17:43:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00669 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:41:58 GMT Received: from eric@javaconnection.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (586) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00584 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:18:53 GMT Received: from sol.javaconnection.com (sol.javaconnection.com [207.155.18.98]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06689 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:18:23 -0800 Received: from Uranus.javaconnection.com ([207.155.18.105]) by sol.javaconnection.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20065 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:36:40 -0800 Message-ID: <332987FE.602E@javaconnection.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:16:46 -0800 From: steve Reply-To: steve@javaconnection.com Organization: Java Connection Internet Cafe X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] RE: I need video Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >I'm trying to put together a video I'll be making several copies of, >for >press releases and general screaming-from-the-mountain stuff. >Does anyone have a good copy of the 'Amazing Sports' spot? >I'm also looking for media coverage of any kind, radio recordings, >and *definitely* the television news shots featuring Scott and Val... >I definitely need relatively good quality stuff, I'm sorry Tu and Jim - >Thanks a whole lot, but the Volume was way too low. >JP Another piece of media coverage you might want to consider is news coverage from the heart of freestyle 97'. I think you might be able to get a hold of a copy from the sole purpose footbag club in oregon. eric windsor O /|\ o \\ _// ` From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 15 14:36:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA06544 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:36:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA06540 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:36:19 GMT Received: from eric.w.tiffany@williams.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6537) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA06535 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:36:18 GMT Received: from williams.edu (goshen.williams.edu [137.165.4.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA14224 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 06:35:56 -0800 Received: from colrain.williams.edu (colrain.williams.edu [137.165.4.4]) by goshen.williams.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16182 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:35:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.202.44.250] by colrain.williams.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/16Jul96-0543PM) id AA29746; Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:35:52 -0500 Message-Id: <332AB3C7.62C5@williams.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:51:12 -0500 From: Eric Tiffany Reply-To: Eric.W.Tiffany@williams.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] On-line Facile/Ultrasuede Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------311B14FE6F87" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------311B14FE6F87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, all you footbag sewers out there. Debra Malloy of UltraScraps just informed me of their *excellent* site (http://www.shocase.com/uscrap/) where you can buy facile and other stuff. What a deal!! ET -- __/ _ _/ Eric Tiffany etiffany@williams.edu __/ / 171 The Knolls 413-458-0284, __/ _/ Williamstown, MA 01267 2163 fax --------------311B14FE6F87 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from m9.sprynet.com (m9.sprynet.com [165.121.1.209]) by goshen.williams.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA17574 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 07:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ad19-100.compuserve.com [199.174.161.100]) by m9.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA11103 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 04:57:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199703141257.EAA11103@m9.sprynet.com> From: "Debra Molloy" To: Subject: Ultrasuede Light source Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 05:58:08 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Eric, We are a mail order company exclusive to Ultrasuede fabrics by Springs Industries. We carry many colors of regular and Light (facile) in yardage 1/4 yd. min., cut squares, and a nice asst. of scraps which would be great for these footbags. A one pound bag of Ultrasuede would make many footbags in alot of color choices, very inexpensively! Check out our web site for UltraScraps by DM Designs at www.shocase.com/uscrap/. Your patterns are great...can't wait to sew a few up! Deb Molloy --------------311B14FE6F87-- From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 18 04:38:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA19798 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 04:38:09 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA19794 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 04:38:07 GMT Received: from mike138@capecod.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (19791) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA19789 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 04:38:07 GMT Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02640 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 20:38:11 -0800 Received: from default (mar51.capecod.net [205.230.14.51]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02443 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 23:38:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703180438.XAA02443@mailhost.capecod.net> From: "Mike Keymont" To: "List Footbag" Subject: [footbag] The Shoes... Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:37:14 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I hope this isn't redundant, repetitive or just plain annoying, but does anyone know where the Rod Lavers are cheaper than $52? I've heard before that they were available for $35, but I don't remember where. With shipping and COD they're almost $65 from WFA. Too rich for my blood! Mike Keymont P.S. I've been playing for 14 years with no freestyle shoes. I'm starting to think I might be at a disadvantage..... From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 18 13:05:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA21422 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:04:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA21418 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:04:50 GMT Received: from mike138@capecod.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (21415) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA21413 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:04:49 GMT Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA05247 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 05:04:57 -0800 Received: from default (mar42.capecod.net [205.230.14.42]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21685 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:04:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703181304.IAA21685@mailhost.capecod.net> From: "Mike Keymont" To: "List Footbag" Subject: [footbag] Footbag Stories Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 21:03:40 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi all... Well, this isn't a "lost" story, but I'll tell it anyway. We were kicking in the state park one day when my friend (novice) tried a toe flick-kick. His (steel toe!) boot flung off as he hit the bag and went about ten feet up.So did the bag. The boot landedflat on the ground, and the bag landed INSIDE the boot! I'm no mathematician, but I wonder what the odds are: 2 moving objects of disporportionate weight, 15 ft. diameter circle.... Mike Keymont PS Does anyone remember the Balywick Mumbus, Andy Linder model? The hacky Sack Jammer? From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 18 14:42:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA21838 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:42:35 GMT Received: from jlepine@ops.tiac.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (21687) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA21685 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:17:07 GMT Received: from ops.tiac.net (ops.tiac.net [199.0.65.120]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05546 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 06:17:16 -0800 Received: from localhost (jlepine@localhost) by ops.tiac.net (8.8.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA06043; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:17:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:17:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jef Lepine To: Mike Keymont cc: List Footbag Subject: Re: [footbag] The Shoes... In-Reply-To: <199703180438.XAA02443@mailhost.capecod.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > Mike Keymont > > P.S. I've been playing for 14 years with no freestyle shoes. I'm starting > to think I might be at a disadvantage..... I know I may get harasses for this... If you've been playing for 14 years, I don't think Lavars will improve your abilities that dramatically. They only thing they did for me is make toe stalls a bit easier and well I could already do them easily. They actually made clipper stalls more difficult. It must be the shoes! -Jef Lepine From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 18 15:48:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA22108 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:48:33 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA22104 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:48:32 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (22101) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA22099 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:48:31 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06163 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 07:48:40 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18038 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:48:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [footbag] The Shoes... Message-Id: <000000138532941545004@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:50:04 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.8 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Cc: footbag@footbag.org (List Footbag) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Tue, Mar 18, 1997, 2:17:14 PM GMT Jef Lepine wrote: >your abilities that dramatically. They only thing they did for me is make >toe stalls a bit easier and well I could already do them easily. > >They actually made clipper stalls more difficult. It must be the shoes! WHAT?!? Lavers not the ultimate answer to all things footbag?!? Blasphemy. Heresy. You will be lined up and whipped with knotted up Laver laces! Of course, I don't use Lavers, either. Before I didn't use Lavers, I didn't use LeCoq Sportifs; before I didn't use LeCoqs, I didn't use Kaepas. But before I didn't use Kaepas, I did wear Nike Avengers. Because of my pounding style, I need cusion and support - Nike Air, Brooks Beast, whatever I can find that has a smooth inside and outside 'high stability' design. Derrick Fogle From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 18 17:31:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA22535 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:30:39 GMT Received: from wfa4u@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (22488) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA22486 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:15:52 GMT From: WFA4U@aol.com Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06916 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:16:01 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA13911; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:15:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:15:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970318121539_-2040338527@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: Mike138@capecod.net cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] The Shoes... Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Mike, You wrote: >I hope this isn't redundant, repetitive or just plain annoying, but >does anyone know where the Rod Lavers are cheaper than $52? >I've heard beforeb that they were available for $35, but I don't >remember where. With shipping and COD they're almost $65 from >WFA. Too rich for my blood! Actually, the WFA is $52.00 for the Adidas Rod Lavers and $5.50 for shipping and handling to any United States location. Also, please keep in mind that if you find this shoe cheaper anywhere else, we guarantee to match any advertised price. The WFA will not be undersold! >P.S. I've been playing for 14 years with no freestyle shoes. I'm >starting to think I might be at a disadvantage..... You are at a disadvantage and we want to help your feet enjoy footbag more. Kickingly yours, Debbie/WFA From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 18 17:39:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA22609 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:39:15 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA22605 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:39:15 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (22602) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA22600 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:39:14 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca ([207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07143 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:39:54 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13359; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:39:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:39:08 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: Re: [footbag] The Shoes... To: footbag@footbag.org cc: aloe@vcn.bc.ca In-Reply-To: <000000138532941545004@mlerf.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Well, the magic shoes for me did allow the bag to stall where no bag had stalled before ... I was not surprised at the time since I was pretty convinced that these were the only reason y'all could pull off these fancy maneuvers. :-) Oh Ho! But now I am hearing that there are those who disdain this arcane assistance ... My eyes are opened now & I have seen stylers wearing tevas! My universe is upset - I must find a new dogmatic theory to cover this new information.... ------- ON a more mundane level ... I find lavers extraordinarily comfy just for meandering around in... and actually pretty damn good for playing net in! Except for the slipping in the mud part... but then if yer not dirty after a day's playing, you can't *really* have been having as much fun! Wahoo! jooooliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 18 17:39:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA22626 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:39:28 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA22622 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:39:27 GMT Received: from mbaker@imsa.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (22619) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA22617 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:39:27 GMT Received: from postoffice.imsa.edu (java.imsa.edu [143.195.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07152 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:40:06 -0800 Received: from pepsi.imsa.edu (pepsi [143.195.1.5]) by postoffice.imsa.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA26395 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:39:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mbaker@localhost) by pepsi.imsa.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA19702 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:39:09 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: pepsi.imsa.edu: mbaker owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:39:09 -0600 (CST) From: Baker X-Sender: mbaker@pepsi To: footbag@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org hey...i got the lavers last year, and i have a question about how you're supposed to alter them or whatever. i read somewhere that you're supposed to take a razor blade and scissors to them and stuff...can anyone tell me if this helps or is it just some stupid thing to do? baker From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 18 17:57:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA22672 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:57:24 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA22668 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:57:23 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (22665) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA22663 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:57:23 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca ([207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07281 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:58:03 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21911; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:57:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:57:35 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] Reviving a thread: Rotation systems To: footbag@footbag.org cc: aloe@vcn.bc.ca Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey All! Well, this has been discussed here before, but I really want to bring it up again - in hopes that people have more thoughts on the matter. The rotation systems for the daily use of net courts are different in each footbag club. They seem generally to be geared to the size of the club, the frequency of kicking days, and the ratio between skill levels of players. Many use a version of "challenge" courts = Next on the list of challenges gets to play the team who won the last game. The problem that comes up in some of the larger clubs is that the more advanced players and/or those who train for tourneys want/need a consistent "run" of games on a court, with other players who will push their limits in competition. Both the newer players, and those who do not train for tourneys want/need equal court time, and the opportunity to play the more advanced players in order to improve their skills and/or to have the option of playing with and against all the members of the club. Trying to satisfy everyone is presumably unlikely, but who knows? This discussion forum includes a lot of brilliant minds, so I'm hoping for some new suggestions. :-) Perhaps someone has a system that hasn't been tried by others before?! Very Sincerely, jooooliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 18 20:18:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA23389 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:18:07 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA23385 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:18:05 GMT Received: from rvbpaco@wam.umd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (23382) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA23380 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:18:04 GMT Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.135]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08505 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:18:15 -0800 Received: from rac4.wam.umd.edu (rvbpaco@rac4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.104]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22568; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:17:58 -0500 (EST) From: Procrastinator the VIIIth Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac4.wam.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12507; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:17:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:17:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703182017.PAA12507@rac4.wam.umd.edu> To: Mike138@capecod.net, jlepine@ops.tiac.net Cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] The Shoes... Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org adidas rod lavers are the platforms of platforms for clipper delays. they can only make a good one better. l8r- vince From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 18 21:21:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA23734 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:21:56 GMT Received: from jlepine@ops.tiac.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (23675) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA23672 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:19:34 GMT Received: from ops.tiac.net (ops.tiac.net [199.0.65.120]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08901 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:15:05 -0800 Received: from localhost (jlepine@localhost) by ops.tiac.net (8.8.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA08348; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:15:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:15:01 -0500 (EST) From: Jef Lepine To: Procrastinator the VIIIth cc: Mike138@capecod.net, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] The Shoes... In-Reply-To: <199703182017.PAA12507@rac4.wam.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > adidas rod lavers are the platforms of platforms for clipper delays. > they can only make a good one better. > l8r- vince > Obviously you haven't seen some of the more flater shoes in which to delay on. lavers are so rounded on the insteps that it just makes it that much harder to delay on. I've had MUCH better shoes for clipper delays but they had some other faults.... -Jef Lepine From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 18 21:24:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA23751 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:24:07 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA23747 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:24:06 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (23744) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA23742 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:24:05 GMT Received: from [17.255.70.147] ([17.255.70.147]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09047; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:24:40 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199703182017.PAA12507@rac4.wam.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:24:23 -0800 To: Jef Lepine From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] The Shoes... Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 1:15 PM -0800 3/18/97, Jef Lepine wrote: >> adidas rod lavers are the platforms of platforms for clipper delays. >> they can only make a good one better. >> l8r- vince >> > >Obviously you haven't seen some of the more flater shoes in which to delay >on. lavers are so rounded on the insteps that it just makes it that much >harder to delay on. I've had MUCH better shoes for clipper delays but >they had some other faults.... Jeff, what planet are you from? :-) Maybe you just didn't *modify* your Lavers correctly? The instep is very flat but *only* after you yank out the foam rubber arch supports and cut away the remaining sole that sticks above the line where the mesh meets the sole inside the shoe. See the FAQ for more info. Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 18 21:29:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA23798 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:29:10 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA23794 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:29:09 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (23791) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA23789 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:29:09 GMT Received: from [17.255.70.147] ([17.255.70.147]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09023; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:22:38 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:22:21 -0800 To: Baker From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [footbag] Re: Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 9:39 AM -0800 3/18/97, Baker wrote: >hey...i got the lavers last year, and i have a question about >how you're supposed to alter them or whatever. i read somewhere >that you're supposed to take a razor blade and scissors to them >and stuff...can anyone tell me if this helps or is it just some >stupid thing to do? >baker See http://www.footbag.org/faq (Frequently-Asked Questions). There's a section on how to modify and lace your Lavers for freestyle. Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 19 00:59:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA24748 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:59:26 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA24739 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:59:23 GMT Received: from sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (24736) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA24734 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:59:23 GMT Received: from dept.english.upenn.edu (DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU [130.91.75.246]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10476 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:59:35 -0800 Received: (from sunilj@localhost) by dept.english.upenn.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA52012; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:57:54 -0500 From: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) Message-Id: <199703190057.TAA52012@dept.english.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: [footbag] The Shoes... To: WFA4U@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:57:54 -0500 (EST) Cc: Mike138@capecod.net, footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <970318121539_-2040338527@emout13.mail.aol.com> from "WFA4U@aol.com" at Mar 18, 97 12:15:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org According to WFA4U@aol.com: > > and handling to any United States location. Also, please keep in mind that > if you find this shoe cheaper anywhere else, we guarantee to match any > advertised price. The WFA will not be undersold! > I want everyone to know that the WFA will not always honor this guarantee. They will meet advertised prices only to a certain level. I called them this past summer, and I stated that I had found Rod Lavers advertised for $35 in a Philadelphia location, and I was told that they could not match that price (it was too low and they would not sell their shoes for a net loss). I was told to purchase the shoes at the store I saw them at. Unfortunately they did not have my size in that store. Oh well, I ended up paying the Holabird cost of about $45 for them. Holabird is a sports shoe company out of Baltimore (I think) and mention that when you order the shoes from the WFA, they will match this price, at least. Sunil From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 19 02:41:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA25253 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:41:00 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA25249 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:40:59 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (25246) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA25244 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:40:58 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11429 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:41:42 -0800 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id SAA26718; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id SAA05538; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:41:37 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:41:37 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand To: Sunil Jani cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] The Shoes... In-Reply-To: <199703190057.TAA52012@dept.english.upenn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Well if the WFA will not be undersold, don't you guys think that they should LOWER the price? Also, I don't think that this place in Philadelphia would want to take a net loss either. So how come this place can get Lavers cheaper? Who knows, maybe they are taking a loss....but you'd think that a place called the World Footbag Association could get the best deals on Rod Lavers. > > The WFA will not be undersold! > > > I want everyone to know that the WFA will not always honor this guarantee. > They will meet > advertised prices only to a certain level. I called them this past > summer, and I stated that I had > found Rod Lavers advertised for $35 in a Philadelphia location, and I was > told that they could not match that price (it was too low and they would > not sell their shoes for a net loss). I was told to purchase the shoes at > the store I saw them at. Unfortunately they did not have my size in that > store. Oh well, I ended up paying the Holabird cost of about $45 for > them. Holabird is a sports shoe company out of Baltimore (I think) and > mention that when you order the shoes from the WFA, they will match this > price, at least. > > Sunil > ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 19 03:07:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA25539 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 03:07:26 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA25534 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 03:07:23 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (25531) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA25529 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 03:07:21 GMT Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11597 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:07:33 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA28014 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:07:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from unknown(207.92.232.219) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma027990; Tue Mar 18 21:06:56 1997 Received: by IBM2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BC33CF.6F03AD10@IBM2>; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:06:07 -0800 Message-ID: <01BC33CF.6F03AD10@IBM2> From: Mike Niday To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [footbag] The Shoes... Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:04:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >>> adidas rod lavers are the platforms of platforms for clipper delays. they can only make a good one better. l8r- vince <<< I TOTALLY agree. Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com Hey Vince, how 'bout : butt, ripwalk, ripwalk, blur, paradon, paradox whirl ! :-)) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 19 04:28:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA25789 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:28:10 GMT Received: from jlepine@ops.tiac.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (23833) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA23831 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:38:58 GMT Received: from ops.tiac.net (ops.tiac.net [199.0.65.120]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09172; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:39:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (jlepine@localhost) by ops.tiac.net (8.8.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA08554; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:39:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:39:38 -0500 (EST) From: Jef Lepine To: Steve Goldberg cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] The Shoes... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > Jeff, what planet are you from? :-) Maybe you just didn't *modify* your > Lavers correctly? The instep is very flat but *only* after you yank out > the foam rubber arch supports and cut away the remaining sole that sticks > above the line where the mesh meets the sole inside the shoe. See the FAQ > for more info. Maybe i just have wide feet because even if I did modify that, it wouldn't be that flat. It's not a big deal but still.... I've seen people hit some sick sh*t without lavers and with lavers. It's not the shoes, it's who's wearing them; look at Michael Jordon. :) -Jef Who wears his lavers everyday anyways and kicks in them too! From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 19 04:31:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA25833 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:31:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA25829 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:31:36 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (25826) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA25824 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:31:35 GMT Received: from [17.255.70.147] (dialup3.Market.NET [204.188.8.42]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12071; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:28:34 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199703190057.TAA52012@dept.english.upenn.edu> References: <970318121539_-2040338527@emout13.mail.aol.com> from "WFA4U@aol.com" at Mar 18, 97 12:15:58 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:27:52 -0800 To: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] The Shoes... Cc: WFA4U@aol.com, Mike138@capecod.net, footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 4:57 PM -0800 3/18/97, Sunil Jani wrote: >I want everyone to know that the WFA will not always honor this guarantee. >They will meet advertised prices only to a certain level. Woah!! Before everyone starts ragging on WFA for the price of their shoes, I want you to stop and take a breath and *THINK* for a second. WFA does not get the shoes for free; it would be senseless for them to sell them cheaper than they paid for them. I have looked into wholesale prices for Rod Lavers, and, if you can even get Adidas to ship them to you on time, you pay more than you'd think. And if you find them in some random shop in Philadelphia for cheaper than WFA pays wholesale, you gotta imagine it was through random luck that they were just trying to move inventory, even at a loss. You just can't expect WFA to compete with that kind of situation, which (by the way) is rare. If you want to be SURE to get a pair of Lavers and not have to walk all over town and search every back room of every tennis shoe store for that particular size you want, then just order directly from WFA and get it over with! It supports our sport very directly. Finally, the normal price for Rod Lavers is in the 50's. If you can find them cheaper, more power to you. But if you want to get them reliably, rely on the WFA. All this nickle-and-diming is bad for the growth of our sport. Sunil, I'll personally make up the difference between the $35 price you saw in that random store and the price WFA is willing to give you if you just order from them and quit your whining. (Limit one pair per Sunil.) Thanks. No, this was not a paid advertisement. :-) Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 19 05:37:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA26213 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 05:37:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA26209 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 05:37:02 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (26206) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA26204 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 05:37:01 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12819 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:37:16 -0800 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id AdA29154; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:35:58 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:26:49 PST Subject: [footbag] Shoe Blues (was: The Shoes) Message-ID: <19970319.003311.5038.2.dervish@juno.com> References: <199703182017.PAA12507@rac4.wam.umd.edu> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5,7,9-14,16-20,23,26,39,46,48-51 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Vince, with an amazing show of finger dexterity (it must be the Bass playing) said: >>> adidas rod lavers are the platforms of platforms for clipper delays. >>> they can only make a good one better. >>> then Jef stated: >>Obviously you haven't seen some of the more flater shoes in which to delay >>on. lavers are so rounded on the insteps that it just makes it that much >>harder to delay on. I've had MUCH better shoes for clipper delays but >>they had some other faults.... And Steve mentioned: >Jeff, what planet are you from? :-) Maybe you just didn't *modify* your >Lavers correctly? The instep is very flat but *only* after you yank out >the foam rubber arch supports and cut away the remaining sole that sticks >above the line where the mesh meets the sole inside the shoe. See the >FAQ for more info. I must come in here and say: I love lavers. I had a pair for freestyle, shredded in 'em till there were holes, and then skulked about town in them. I like the canvas layer, I like the insole, I love the arch support. I personally have feet which require insane arches, which is why I play in lavers. Otherwise, I'd be kicking in $25 Converse AllStars made out of plain old groovy canvas. Last year after worlds I made the incredible mistake of cutting that canvas layer out of my lavers -toe, inside, and outside- and I'm very sorry to have done so. My next pair are staying pristine. The nakedness of one layer of nylon does provide an unerthy sensitivity to the footbag, but I don't want it. If you cut the canvas out improperly, you can cut a hole in the nylon (done that), you could leave a little strip near the front of the toe box (my current problem - very uncomfortable) or you could play in the cold and freeze your feet! (that was a joke) I even did the 'Stickman' lacing style, and the walls on my shoes are so big as a result, that I had to relearn my pixie sets, and the bag actually gets pinched/caught in the cracks; some of you have seen this silliness happen and can confirm it, so the huge platforms aren't all that either. When the insole wore out and I had to replace it (Thanks again to Noah for kicking the knowledge) Bits of the awesome arch support came up with it! As if that wasn't bad enough, parts of the old insole stuck to the bottom of the shoe. I wound up sitting out of circles for two days, using an old credit card to get up the remaining pieces. I had to dig through a pile of little bits of foam to find the two little parts which made up my arch. Alas, my next pair, and any others I may get are staying simple... tied WFA style, canvas included. Good luck to all. JP From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 19 06:09:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA26431 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 06:09:34 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA26427 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 06:09:33 GMT Received: from ukickit@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (26424) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA26422 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 06:09:32 GMT Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13090 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:09:47 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA26748 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:09:41 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:09:41 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703190609.AAA26748@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Received: from por-or11-04.ix.netcom.com(204.31.113.164) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma026702; Wed Mar 19 00:09:33 1997 From: ukickit@ix.netcom.com (Ken Shults) Subject: [footbag] Reply to help with performance To: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Robin and Taco: Don't Drop IT!!! Kenny Shults From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 19 06:26:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA26516 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 06:26:09 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA26512 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 06:26:08 GMT Received: from goalkeepr1@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (26509) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA26507 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 06:26:08 GMT From: GoalKeepr1@aol.com Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.45]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13201 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:26:23 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA15427 for footbag@footbag.org; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 01:26:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 01:26:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970319012520_309412243@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] MTV spot Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org For anyone who was at worlds in Montreal that thing I filmed for MTV is finally supposed to air. The guy said it would be on the second week in april on MTV News Unplugged. Unfortunately I pretty much sucked back when I filmed the damn thing (7 months ago). I will keep you posted as to exact times. Later, Ryan Mulroney. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 19 07:02:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA26633 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:02:32 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA26629 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:02:31 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (26626) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA26624 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:02:30 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13450 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:02:44 -0800 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id CEH29154; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:01:28 EST To: GoalKeepr1@aol.com Cc: footbag@footbag.org Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 01:53:55 PST Subject: Re: [footbag] MTV spot Message-ID: <19970319.015903.5038.11.dervish@juno.com> References: <970319012520_309412243@emout19.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-7,12-16 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >Unfortunately I pretty much sucked back when I >filmed the damn thing (7 months ago). I will keep you posted as to exact >times. > Later, > Ryan Mulroney. Thanks for the update, Ry... but did you just say you sucked? excuse me? Oh, yeah, you were so terrible, you choked so bad you just had to win intermediate freestyle. What, are you hitting blurry whirl> blurry whirl> paradox torque> paradox drifter> paradox torque> paradox drifter now? You have no right to say anything of the kind and I am officially calling you out. JP From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 19 17:28:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA29043 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:28:40 GMT Received: from hungchang_at_bldg2@ca.slr.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (29011) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA29009 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:26:45 GMT From: HungChang_at_BLDG2@ca.slr.com Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18096 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:27:34 -0800 Received: from dns.slr.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.3/SMI-5.4-PSI) id MAA09070; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ca.slr.com ([158.116.9.16]) by dns.slr.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14388; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:27:46 -0800 Received: from ccMail by ca.slr.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA858791867; Wed, 19 Mar 97 09:20:21 PST Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 09:20:21 PST Message-Id: <9702198587.AA858791867@ca.slr.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re[2]: [footbag] The Shoes... Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org So, who was the guy that invented the "toe pocket" on these canvas freestyle shoes? Hung From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 20 01:46:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA31637 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:46:10 GMT Received: from jsymons@hpmfas1.cup.hp.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (30018) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA30016 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:55:03 GMT Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [15.253.72.10]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20122 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:55:54 -0800 Received: from hpmfas1.cup.hp.com (hpmfac6.cup.hp.com [15.13.170.141]) by palrel1.hp.com with SMTP (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19378 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by hpmfas1.cup.hp.com (1.38.193.4/15.5+IOS 3.20+cup+OMrelay) id AA19992; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:55:40 -0800 From: jsymons@hpmfas1.cup.hp.com (Julie Symons) Message-Id: <9703191255.ZM19990@hpmfac6.cup.hp.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:55:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Any upcoming tourney is Seattle or Montreal??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I was checking out the Footbag Worldwide Upcoming Events page (http://www.footbag.org/newevents/current). And I don't see any Seattle or Montreal tournaments listed. Has anyone heard if the Emerald City Open will take place this year? -or- Montreal July tournament is happening? Thanks, Julie Symons -- From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 20 01:47:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA31654 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:47:59 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA31650 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:47:58 GMT Received: from ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (31647) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA31645 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:47:57 GMT Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21904 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:48:49 -0800 Received: from coinc0.coin.missouri.edu (coinc0 [198.209.253.6]) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19807; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:48:40 -0600 (CST) Received: by coinc0.coin.missouri.edu (8.8.5) id TAA06023; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:48:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:48:40 -0600 (CST) From: Ida Bettis Fogle X-Sender: ifogle@coinc0 To: Matt Hillebrand cc: Sunil Jani , footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] The Shoes... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Matt Hillebrand wrote: > Well if the WFA will not be undersold, don't you guys think that they > should LOWER the price? Also, I don't think that this place in > Philadelphia would want to take a net loss either. So how come this place > can get Lavers cheaper? Who knows, maybe they are taking a loss....but > you'd think that a place called the World Footbag Association could > get the best deals on Rod Lavers. > > Perhaps the place in PA was part of a large chain which buys huge amounts of Adidas stuff(?) If so, they probably can get it much cheaper - you know, the Walmart priniciple. Maybe if the WFA sold more shoes & their order volume went up they could get the shoes cheaper too. And how could we help facilitate that? Hmmmmm There's my theory on the pricing. Ida Bettis Fogle; ibfogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 20 01:51:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA31702 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:51:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA31698 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:51:52 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (31695) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA31693 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:51:52 GMT Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com ([206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21930 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:52:44 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA17677 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:52:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from unknown(207.92.232.219) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma017635; Wed Mar 19 19:51:30 1997 Received: by IBM2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BC348E.0FB67F30@IBM2>; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:50:41 -0800 Message-ID: <01BC348E.0FB67F30@IBM2> From: Mike Niday To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [footbag] The Shoes... Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:47:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >> I've seen people hit some sick sh*t without lavers and with lavers. It's not the shoes, it's who's wearing them; look at Michael Jordon. :) -Jef << *I've* never seen anyone hit sick sh*t without lavers - maybe you could define what sick sh*t is ??? :-) Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 20 07:55:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA00527 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 07:55:42 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA00523 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 07:55:41 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (520) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA00518 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 07:55:40 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA23828 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:56:35 -0800 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id XAA16292 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id XAA09364 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:56:35 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:56:34 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Houston is cool Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I don't know if I would want to live here, but I would love to visit it more often. I used the footbag.org club list to find the local freestylers. Unfortunately, the club has apparently dissipated. But I did kick with Heather Thomas and had a great time. I really dig it that I can go almost anywhere and find out if there are serious kickers in the area, or at least computer geek kickers! :) It truly is a wonderful service. Right from the start, I knew Heather was serious about footbag because her two year old boy, Austin (a rockstar-to-be), brought out a box with oodles of footbags in it, which all belonged to him! He has more than I do! This post lacks conclusion, but it is 2am. I am lacking brain activity. ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 21 18:13:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01351 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:13:00 GMT Received: from info@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1315) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01313 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:11:28 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] ([205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03745 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:10:55 -0800 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:10:45 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Footbag WorldWide Information Service Subject: [footbag] FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org This is a simplified version of the on-line FAQ at for people who are not quite sure what this footbag thing is all about. For more details, see . -------- FOOTBAG FREQUENTLY-ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ) This message will be sent to rec.sport.footbag periodically. A web version of the FAQ is available at . If you have information you would like to contribute to this FAQ, by all means send e-mail to . If you do not have web access and would like further information that is referred to below, please e-mail and we will e-mail you the information requested. Be sure to include the "URL" (of the form ) so we know what you are asking for! -- GENERAL 1. Where did footbag come from? Footbag is a modern American version of an ancient sport played in Asia and in North America. In 1972, John Stalberger met Mike Marshall, who had been playing around with a Native American game which involved kicking a small, soft object. John had recently had knee surgery and was looking for a way to work on his flexibility, and he instantly took to the game and become good friends with Marshall. They called the game "hacking the sack." Stalberger and Marshall soon became enthralled with the game, which Marshall had been hoping to promote with the general public. The two designed a product, which they trademarked the "Hacky Sack", and began marketing it under the KennCorp label. Tragically, Mike Marshall died of a heart attack at only 28 years of age just as the product (and the sport) were taking off. Stalberger, determined to realize Marshall's vision of footbag as a sport, continued to promote the product and the game. He formed the National Hacky Sack Association along with the help of many others, and created an alliance with Klutz Press to market a book on Hacky Sack. He ultimately sold the rights to the Hacky Sack to Kransco, which was later sold to Wham-O, and most recently to Mattel. In the years following the creation of the Hacky Sack product, many footbag enthusiasts began sprouting up around the world, and a sport was born. Following the model of a relatively new Asian sport called Takraw, players began volleying a footbag over a 5-foot-high net (on a Badminton court) and "footbag net" became an attractive alternative sport. Freestyle footbag (where players stand in a circle, do tricks with the footbag, and pass it around the circle) has become the most popular form of the game, because of its cooperative nature. Advanced freestylers choreograph routines to music, much like rhythmic gymnastics or figure skating. Footbag sports now have a rules body which governs the various aspects of competitive footbag play: the International Footbag Advisory Board. For more information on organized footbag, see the Official Rules of Footbag Sports at . -- WORLD RECORDS 1. What are the current footbag records? Women's Doubles Footbag Consecutive Constance Constable/Tricia George Total Kicks: 34,543 Total Time: 5 hrs. 38 mins. 22 sec. Date of Record: February 18, 1995 Official Event: Heart of Footbag Freestyle Tournament (Portland, OR) Open Doubles Footbag Consecutive Tricia George/Gary Lautt Total Kicks: 123,456 Total Time: 19 hrs. 38 mins. 20 sec. Date of Record: November 11 & 12, 1995 Official Event: Chico, California, USA Women's Singles Consecutive Tricia George Total Kicks: 20,717 Total Time: 3 hrs. 15 mins. Date of Record: September 21, 1996 Official Event: Eugene Celebration Footbag Tournament (Eugene, OR) Open Singles Consecutive Ted Martin Total Kicks: 51,155 Total Time: 7 hrs. 1 min. 37 sec. Date of Record: May 29, 1993 Official Event: 1993 Midwest Regionals (Chicago, IL, USA) Open 5-Minute Timed Consecutive Andy Linder Total Kicks in 5 Minutes: 1017 Date of Record: March 29, 1996 Official Event: St. Patrick's Footbag Festival (Chicago, IL) Women's 5-Minute Timed Consecutive Ida Fogle Total Kicks in 5 Minutes: 784 Date of Record: October 5, 1996 Official Event: Mesiti CHAOS Footbag Tournament (Carbondale, IL) Largest Footbag Circle St. Patrick High School of Chicago Total Players: 933 Date of Record: May 3, 1996 Official Event: 135th Anniversary Celebration (Chicago, IL) 2. What makes a footbag record "official"? Who sanctions them and how do I go about having my attempt recognized? All world records in footbag are made official by the World Footbag Association, which sanctions official attempts. If you're going to try for a record, you have to follow the WFA's sanctioning guidelines, setting up the event well in advance and following the official IFAB Rules. Contact WFA for more information. 3. Are footbag records really listed in the Guinness Book? Yes. The official world records in footbag have been listed in the Guinness Book of World Records for quite a few years. While the term "footbag" still does not appear in a dictionary or encyclopedia, at least Guinness recognizes it! -- FREESTYLE 1. What is this "freestyle" I keep hearing about? Is it the same as just standing around in a circle kicking a footbag? Yes, basically, "freestyle footbag" is the name given to the sport that has evolved from "hacking" in a circle. The game of kicking a footbag around a circle is still the single most dominant form of the game in the world. In freestyle competitions, players actually choreograph routines to music, alone or in pairs, executing difficult moves in synch with the music--the result is something like a cross between rhythmic gymnastics and figure skating. The distinction between "freestyle" and "hacking" is in the eye of the beholder. Almost all advanced freestyle competitors play with others in a circle, with the same rules everyone is familiar with: (a) courtesy tosses to start the rally, (b) no hands, (c) try to make sure the footbag gets passed to every player in the circle. (Advanced players tend to always pass the footbag in a specific direction to players around the circle so that they don't skip anyone, although even in circles of top players, this is not always possible.) All traditional footbag "hack" circles are freestyle circles, as players not only kick the bag, but attempt to do "tricks" or FREESTYLE MOVES with the footbag while they have it. [The Freestyle Moves list was posted to rec.sport.footbag a few days ago. It is available at http://www.footbag.org/faq/moves.txt ] 2. So I know about "Jester", but are there names for other tricks, and what are some of them? Actually, "Jester" is the street name for "Flying Clipper", as it is called in the advanced freestyle community. Advanced freestylers don't really use the term "Jester", which seems to have been created and popularized by an early video game called "California Games", which contained a basic footbag game. Obviously, players couldn't get very far if they didn't come up with a way of naming the moves in freestyle. The rules for the judging system in competitive freestyle are complicated, and based on the components that go into executing a particular move. So if there weren't a way to identify each move by name, rules, analysis, judging, and instruction would be even more difficult. So, what are some moves? We have tried to put together a list along with detailed descriptions of how to execute them for certain specific moves that we think are important for learning other moves. This FREESTYLE MOVES LIST is a changing, "living" document, incorporating many of the more common freestyle moves agreed-upon by many of the top players. They are organized in rough order of difficulty as is described in the list itself. Please don't treat this list as "official" -- it is certainly full of holes and most likely contains mistakes as there is a lot of information in the list. The beginner would do well to focus on the first ten or twelve tricks and, after mastering them, return to see if the list has changed before continuing. The list is on-line at http://www.footbag.org/faq/moves.txt and is periodically posted on rec.sport.footbag. SEE ALSO - A NEW ON-LINE MOVE DATABASE at 3. Okay, so you have a move list on-line, but can I really learn to play freestyle footbag using a computer? No. While the Internet helps us spread the word and disseminate basic information about the sport, the best way to learn is to be taught by other people. There is no substitute for a good teacher. One good way to start is to get the instructional video, "Tricks of the Trade", by the master himself, Kenny Shults. It's available at a reasonable price from the World Footbag Association. (Note: it's only available for the North American TV system -- if you live in a country that does not use the NTSC standard, you will need to have the tape converted to your local system.) Contact the World Footbag Association at http://worldfootbag.com or 1-800-878-8797 to place an order. Another great way to learn is to get involved in the local organized footbag scene (if there is one), and/or to go to a footbag event (such as a tournament or festival). There is an on-line footbag event list at http://www.footbag.org/events, an on-line list of footbag clubs around the world at http://www.footbag.org/clubs.html. In addition, subscriptions to Footbag World Magazine are very affordable, and the magazine contains an abundance of news about upcoming footbag events. Contact the World Footbag Association to subscribe, by going to their web page at or by calling 1-800-878-8797. 4. What is the difference between "footbag" and "Hacky Sack"? Footbag is the name of the sport about which this entire website is devoted. You can find a quick overview of the sport by looking at the Footbag Page at Stanford University at . "Hacky Sack" is actually a trademark of Mattel Sports. Though most people refer to the somewhat casual game of kicking a footbag in a circle as "hacking" or "hacky-sacking", this is a misnomer. Most advanced footbag players call it either "circle-kicking" or "freestyle footbag". 5. Do I really need special shoes to play freestyle? Absolutely. The shoes you wear (and the support and surfaces they provide you) are just as important as the type of footbag you play with. If you don't have the right equipment in any sport, you can become frustrated very quickly. There is little controversy among advanced freestyle players with respect to shoes. Almost every player agrees that, at present, the best-suited shoe for freestyle footbag is the adidas Rod Laver nylon-mesh tennis shoe. The reason it's so good is that the sole is thick and good for absorbing shock, the inside surface (for inside delays, clipper delays, etc.) is flat, and the shoe has an "open toe" design, making a nice flat area with no obstructions for stalling the footbag on your toe (after you modify them -- see #6 below). This recommendation is valid for every level of player; even the first-timer will find this shoe remarkable for playing footbag, especially after they are modified and laced properly. For more information on shoes, see the shoes page at . 6. I just bought a pair of adidas Rod Laver tennis shoes -- how do I lace and modify them for freestyle? We have compiled (with the help of Jeffrey Komar) a Guide to Lacing and Modifying the Rod Laver Shoe for Freestyle Footbag. We recommend you read this on the web at . 7. How can I make my own footbag? It's all about patterns -- there is an on-line Footbag Pattern FAQ compiled by Eric Tiffany. The URL is . 8. Where can I buy a good footbag, and which kind do I get? This is probably the most common question we get. Unfortunately, the answers are not simple -- this is one of the reasons this service was created. There are many different kinds of footbags and they are made of different types of materials, sewn (or otherwise constructed) in various ways, and filled with various types of filling; and not a lot of stores carry a wide variety of footbags. Which footbag you buy depends a lot on what you want to do with it (i.e., play freestyle, net, golf, or just kick it), what you're used to, what kind of shoes you wear, and on, and on. The best thing we can tell you is to look at a large variety before buying, and to read our on-line Footbag Guide before purchasing a bag. The URL is . Where to buy a footbag is still unfortunately hard to answer. Many sporting goods stores (especially the larger chains) carry the well-known brands of footbags (such as the Hacky Sack and Sipa Sipa products), and the new Adidas footbag is starting to show up in many places. However, the best place to find a wide variety of footbags is still through mail-order. See our on-line Footbag Guide for more information on some of the more prominent footbag retailers we're aware of. The URL is . 9. How do I break in my new footbag? The answer to this question depends on which type of footbag you bought. We have not tested a lot of different brands, but, in general, the best way to break in a footbag is to knead it in your hands and kick with it a lot until it becomes softer and easier to control. It seems to be a general rule of thumb that footbags have a specific life-span; during their early days they are usually too hard and "fiery"; as they grow into maturity they become "perfect"; and then, eventually, they die of old age (they either get a hole in them and lose their filling, or just become unplayable for some other reason). Patience is a virtue with a new bag. For bags made of "facile" (a type of synthetic material common for many freestyle footbags), it's advisable to treat them gently, knead them in your hands, and wash them a couple of times with mild non-abrasive soap (don't wring them too hard or you'll stretch the fabric) in tepid or cold water. Usually this will make them much more "stallable" if that's what you are looking for. [For more information on washing, see "How to wash your footbag" on the Penn Footbag page at .] We do not recommend the procedure we've heard about of people parking their cars on their footbags to break them in. This generally damages the footbags. Instead, we recommend that you not buy a footbag that is so hard you'd be compelled to want to try such a thing in the first place. Most footbags sold today are soft and playable right out of the package. For more ideas on breaking in your footbag, see the Penn Footbag FAQ at . -- Steve Goldberg / World-Wide Footbag Foundation / info@footbag.org A Non-Profit Corporation ----------------- http://www.footbag.org From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 21 21:32:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02731 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 21:32:34 GMT Received: from sanders@javaconnection.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1513) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01511 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:47:08 GMT Received: from sol.javaconnection.com (sol.javaconnection.com [207.155.18.98]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04022 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:47:09 -0800 Received: from pc5.javaconnection.com ([207.155.18.103]) by sol.javaconnection.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27141 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:06:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3332D796.434B@javaconnection.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:46:46 -0800 From: "sanders@javaconnection.com" Reply-To: sanders@javaconnection.com Organization: Java Connection X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re [Footbag] MTV spot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >Unfortunately I pretty much sucked back when I >filmed the damn thing (7 months ago). I will keep you posted as to exact >times. > Later, > Ryan Mulroney. Thanks for the update, Ry... but did you just say you sucked? excuse me? >Oh, yeah, you were so terrible, you choked so bad you just had to win >intermediate freestyle. What, are you hitting blurry whirl> blurry >whirl> paradox torque> paradox drifter> paradox torque> paradox drifter >now? You have no right to say anything of the kind and I am officially >calling >you out. I happen to play with Ryan quite frequently and while ive never seen him hit combos that phat, but I have seen him string together many 4 add moves very smoothly. I also saw his symposium whirl record, 7, that is a lot of syposium whirls in a row. I think the thing he has improved most since worlds is his opposite side. His 4 adds are getting alot better on his opposite, (hit my first opposite side blur last night....yeeeaaaa) Anyway. Eric Windsor O /|\ o \\ _// ` From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 22 01:17:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04099 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 01:16:56 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04095 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 01:16:54 GMT Received: from goalkeepr1@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4092) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA04090 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 01:16:53 GMT From: GoalKeepr1@aol.com Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com (emout15.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.41]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01167 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:16:27 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA14439 for footbag@footbag.org; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:16:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:16:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970321201619_1285124180@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] MTV Date Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello, The MTV thing will be on April 13 at 10:30( I have no clue if that's am or pm, the guy left a message on my machine), but check your local listings. It will air at the beginning of MTV News Unfiltered. I was told it will be very short, but that's what us footbaggers are used to. Hopefully they did a decent job. Later, Ryan Mulroney. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 22 21:29:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA08132 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 21:29:24 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA08128 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 21:29:22 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8125) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA08123 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 21:29:21 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07142 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:29:33 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24252; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:29:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:29:31 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: Re: [footbag] Re [Footbag] MTV spot To: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <3332D796.434B@javaconnection.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org While I'm sure Ryan doesn't "suck" at anything...:-)...it sounded like he was referring to filming rather than freestyle. JP On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, sanders@javaconnection.com wrote: > >Unfortunately I pretty much sucked back when I > >filmed the damn thing (7 months ago). I will keep you posted as to exact > > >times. > > Later, > > Ryan Mulroney. > > Thanks for the update, Ry... but did you just say you sucked? excuse me? > >Oh, yeah, you were so terrible, you choked so bad you just had to win > >intermediate freestyle. What, are you hitting blurry whirl> blurry >whirl> paradox torque> paradox drifter> paradox torque> paradox drifter >now? You have no right to say anything of the kind and I am officially >calling > >you out. > > I happen to play with Ryan quite frequently and while ive never seen him > hit combos that phat, but I have seen him string together many 4 add > moves very smoothly. I also saw his symposium whirl record, 7, that is > a lot of syposium whirls in a row. I think the thing he has improved > most since worlds is his opposite side. His 4 adds are getting alot > better on his opposite, (hit my first opposite side blur last > night....yeeeaaaa) Anyway. > > Eric Windsor > O > /|\ > o \\ > _// > ` > > > From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 22 21:51:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA08185 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 21:51:15 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA08181 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 21:51:14 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8178) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA08176 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 21:51:14 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07265 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:50:56 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00691; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:50:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:50:29 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] Styler culture (was The Shoes...) To: Mike Niday cc: "'footbag@footbag.org'" In-Reply-To: <01BC348E.0FB67F30@IBM2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org < *I've never seen anyone hit sick sh*t without lavers - maybe you could define what sick sh*t is ??? :-) > With my paltry grant from A.S.U. (The Arcane Studies University), my hand-picked team of researchers and I are near completion of our study of the little-known nomadic tribes of "Freestylers." In their oral traditions of establishing dominance and/or hierarchy within the tribes, the term "sick" is used with some frequency. To find an equivalent translation is difficult, but we have found some relationship, albeit inexact, within the realm of anglo cultural lingo, or "slang." Some candidates for synonymity are: "good"..."bad"..."wicked"..."sharp"..."righteous"..."bitchin'"..."crazy"... "dope"..."smashing"..."awesome"..."tubular" We hope to publish our complete findings soon; which will provide a context within which this terminology may be better understood. Sincerely, Juliet Pendray On behalf of the Freestyle Research Team. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Mar 23 01:15:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA08830 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 01:15:28 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA08826 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 01:15:27 GMT Received: from mbaker@imsa.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8823) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA08821 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 01:15:27 GMT Received: from postoffice.imsa.edu (java.imsa.edu [143.195.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08511 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 17:15:40 -0800 Received: from coke.imsa.edu (coke [143.195.1.4]) by postoffice.imsa.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA20606 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 19:15:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mbaker@localhost) by coke.imsa.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id TAA21540 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 19:15:35 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: coke.imsa.edu: mbaker owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 19:15:34 -0600 (CST) From: Baker X-Sender: mbaker@coke To: footbag@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org hey...with the rod laver adjustments... i read the instructions on the homepage, but they don't make much sense to me.. can someone please give me more in-depth instructions before i rip up a 60 dollar pair of shoes? thanks baker From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Mar 23 10:17:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA10351 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:17:09 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA10347 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:17:07 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (10344) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA10342 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:17:06 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10665 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 02:16:53 -0800 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FCW19167; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 05:16:09 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 05:09:32 PST Subject: [footbag] Re: Lacing instruction: Message-ID: <19970323.051308.4726.0.dervish@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11,16-25 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Sat, 22 Mar 1997 19:15:34 -0600 (CST) Baker writes: >hey...with the rod laver adjustments... >i read the instructions on the homepage, but they don't >make much sense to me.. can someone please give >me more in-depth instructions before i rip up a 60 >dollar pair of shoes? Hey, Baker. I don't endorse clipping out the canvas layer, so you'll have to scan someone else' for that. Here's how to cut open the 'toe box' : along either strip of leather the eyelets are sown into, there are 2 sets of stitches attatching this strip to the body of the shoe. They are sort of in the shape of an "n". You can use a sharp scissor (boy that's a hard one to spell) or an x-acto and clip all o' them. It helps to pull the leather strip away with the other hand. Lace 'em up good and you're all set! JP by no means do I endorse the x-acto product or any related merchandise. This is in no way representative of the opinion of my employer. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Mar 25 22:43:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA23928 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:42:10 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA23924 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:42:08 GMT Received: from kuchma@golden.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (23921) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA23919 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:42:08 GMT Received: from golden.net (golden.org [199.166.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26314 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:42:50 -0800 Received: from [199.166.210.75] (swo-75.golden.org [199.166.210.75]) by golden.net (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA16936 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:42:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:59:55 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org From: kuchma@golden.net (Mike Kuchma) Subject: [footbag] Charlotte NC -- footbag purchasing Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey kickers! Does anybody out there know if there's a store in Charlotte or near Charlotte NC where footbags are sold? (ie: juices, twisteds etc..) Thanks! -- Kuch From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 26 09:12:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA26929 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:12:48 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA26925 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:12:46 GMT Received: from goalkeepr1@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (26922) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA26920 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:12:46 GMT From: GoalKeepr1@aol.com Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.97]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA01458 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 01:13:32 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA22670 for footbag@footbag.org; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:50:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:50:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970325215016_1983489409@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Tuan's Video Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org For all who have not purchased Tuan's new shred tape I suggest you do. It is edited to show only the good runs and the newer moves and combos. It also has a few non BAP members on it. On an entirely different note, are any BAP members going to the Southern California tournament? Later, Ryan Mulroney. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 26 09:49:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA27025 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:49:12 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA27021 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:49:11 GMT Received: from david_vanderlaan@mail.okbu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (27018) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA27016 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:49:10 GMT Received: from mail.okbu.edu ([164.58.90.70]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA01660 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 01:49:57 -0800 Received: from Computer_Center-Message_Server by mail.okbu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 03:04:46 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:23:48 -0600 From: David Vanderlaan To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I hope I'm not being redundant here (as I am sure this question has been asked before), but does anyone know the calorie-expending numbers on playing footbag? Just curious, David. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 26 13:16:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA27719 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:16:50 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA27715 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:16:48 GMT Received: from mike138@capecod.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (27712) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA27710 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:16:47 GMT Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA02511 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 05:17:05 -0800 Received: from default (mar33.capecod.net [205.230.14.33]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26317 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:17:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703261317.IAA26317@mailhost.capecod.net> From: "Mike Keymont" To: "List Footbag" Subject: [footbag] The shoes: Reprise... Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:10:29 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi all, Well, the verdict is in. I got the shoes last night and proceeded to hit combos I've never hit, and more smoothly to "boot"! ;~). Also, my shoes don't have any material on the inside to cut away from the nylon mesh. Is this new or did I misunderstand the modification page? Anyway, their lighter, flatter and more comfortable than all the shoes I've tried in 14 years. I'm putting an Adidas logo on my shirt! Mike Keymont From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 26 16:53:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA28710 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:53:18 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA28706 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:53:16 GMT Received: from martinco@videotron.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (28703) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA28701 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:53:16 GMT Received: from bizet.videotron.net (bizet.videotron.net [205.151.222.75]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03559 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:53:31 -0800 Received: from martinco (ppp079.207.mreg.videotron.net [207.96.207.79]) by bizet.videotron.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA03587 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:51:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:51:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703261651.LAA03587@bizet.videotron.net> X-Sender: vlwobrie@pop.videotron.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org From: martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?c=F4t=E9?= Subject: Re: [footbag] Any upcoming tourney is Seattle or Montreal??? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Yes Julie there will be a tournament in Montreal this summer at least. It will be on July 19-20. I still have to fill Steve's registration form tough. We'll have the same spot as last year. Probably not as much money but still have a lot of spectator for the final day. And more La Ronde(the amusement park) offerred us to have a circus tent that they don't use, for the finals if it rains. Martin Cote >I was checking out the Footbag Worldwide Upcoming Events page >(http://www.footbag.org/newevents/current). And I don't see >any Seattle or Montreal tournaments listed. > >Has anyone heard if the > Emerald City Open will take place this year? -or- > Montreal July tournament is happening? > >Thanks, >Julie Symons > > > >-- > > > From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 26 17:21:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA28865 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:21:19 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA28861 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:21:16 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (28858) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA28856 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:21:16 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca ([207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03810 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:21:36 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA22584; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:21:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:21:08 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Reply-To: Juliet Pendray Subject: Re: [footbag] The shoes: Reprise... To: Mike Keymont cc: List Footbag In-Reply-To: <199703261317.IAA26317@mailhost.capecod.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > Anyway, their lighter, flatter and more comfortable than all the shoes I've tried in 14 years. > Oh yeah! > I'm putting an Adidas logo on my shirt!> Ah! But, well, um, there's always the idea of getting paid to wear a logo on your shirt! ;-) JP From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 26 19:08:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA29522 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:08:16 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA29518 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:08:13 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (29515) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA29513 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:08:11 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] ([205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04871 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:09:01 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199703261317.IAA26317@mailhost.capecod.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:09:24 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] The shoes: Reprise... Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 8:10 PM -0800 3/20/97, Mike Keymont wrote: >Also, my shoes don't have any material on the inside to cut away from >the nylon mesh. Oh yes they dooooooooooo (said like a little kid). :-) You have to look very hard. It's tough to see but if you look you'll see that the inner lining is made of cotton and the outer wall is made of nylon. You can tell that the weave is different. You have to take a knife and cut a little puncture hole in the side from the inside, trying very hard not to cut through the outer nylon. Then stick your finger inside the hole, making it bigger so you can get under it and separate it from the nylon (it's stuck together) and use small scissors or something to cut out the mesh. Steve P.S. Oh, and we *TOLD* you so! :-) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 26 21:17:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA30302 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:17:15 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA30298 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:17:13 GMT Received: from ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (30295) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA30293 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:17:03 GMT Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06124 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:17:39 -0800 Received: from coinc0.coin.missouri.edu (coinc0 [198.209.253.6]) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17909; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:17:35 -0600 (CST) Received: by coinc0.coin.missouri.edu (8.8.5) id PAA28260; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:17:34 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:17:33 -0600 (CST) From: Ida Bettis Fogle X-Sender: ifogle@coinc0 To: GoalKeepr1@aol.com cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Tuan's Video In-Reply-To: <970325215016_1983489409@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Tue, 25 Mar 1997 GoalKeepr1@aol.com wrote: > For all who have not purchased Tuan's new shred tape I suggest you do. It is > edited to show only the good runs and the newer moves and combos. It also has > a few non BAP members on it. On an entirely different note, are any BAP > members going to the Southern California tournament? > Later, > Ryan Mulroney. > Hi Ryan, Would the tape happen to have any of Derrick on it? Perhaps his 2nd round (which was s-o-o-o good)? Derrick Fogle I'm talking about. Please reply privately. I don't want to start anything on the list about who is & isn't or should or shouldn't be on the tape. And I didn't want to ask Tuan cause I didn't want him to have to feel pressured if not. Thanks! Ida Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 26 23:21:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA31046 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:20:43 GMT Received: from eric@javaconnection.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (30888) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA30886 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:02:52 GMT Received: from sol.javaconnection.com (sol.javaconnection.com [207.155.18.98]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07100 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:03:12 -0800 Received: from Uranus.javaconnection.com ([207.155.18.105]) by sol.javaconnection.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA31811 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:23:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3339AAB8.2B52@javaconnection.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:01:12 -0800 From: Eric Windsor Organization: Java Connection Internet Cafe X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Tuan's video Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Tue, 25 Mar 1997 GoalKeepr1@aol.com wrote: >> For all who have not purchased Tuan's new shred tape I suggest you do. It is >> edited to show only the good runs and the newer moves and combos. It also has >> a few non BAP members on it. On an entirely different note, are any BAP >> members going to the Southern California tournament? >> Later, >> Ryan Mulroney. >> I agree, this new tape shreads. So many new combos my head was spinning. I think one of the sickest moves was that paradon dragon Daryl hit. Is there a name for that trick? Some non BAP members, but not all BAP members there. What happend to Josh Casey, Greg Nelson, and Scott Davidson. Like all the stuff rippin came up with. This tape is deffinatly awesome. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Mar 26 23:30:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA31095 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:30:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA31091 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:30:35 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (31088) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA31086 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:30:35 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] ([205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07378; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:30:50 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3339AAB8.2B52@javaconnection.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:31:23 -0800 To: Eric Windsor From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] Tuan's video Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 3:01 PM -0800 3/26/97, Eric Windsor wrote: >Some non BAP members, but >not all BAP members there. What happend to Josh Casey, Greg Nelson, and >Scott Davidson. Like all the stuff rippin came up with. This tape is >deffinatly awesome. I'd like to propose a general policy on the list, and I hope everyone will join me in following it: Let's try not to publically nit-pick each other's work. For example, if Tuan and Tu spend their time to edit together their personal video collection and make copies for people, don't complain about who is and isn't on the darned thing. And when it comes to video, for goodness' sake, who has the time and energy to make sure everyone on the planet is in every video they put together? Give 'em a break, please. In general, if you have problems with something someone does, write or otherwise contact them directly, and not in public. I think that'll keep this list more productive. Thanks. Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 27 03:18:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA32397 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 03:18:45 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA32393 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 03:18:43 GMT Received: from mstrong@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (32390) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA32388 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 03:18:43 GMT Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09186 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:19:07 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA25387 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:19:06 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703270319.VAA25387@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> Received: from dal-tx5-26.ix.netcom.com(207.94.121.154) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma025364; Wed Mar 26 21:18:40 1997 From: "Matt Strong" To: Subject: Re: [footbag] Tuan's Video Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:41:36 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I also got Tuan's tapes, and they are great. I especially like the last combo Tuan pulls at the end. What was that? I thought I saw a blur in their, but I'm not sure. -Matt ---------- > From: GoalKeepr1@aol.com > To: footbag@footbag.org > Subject: [footbag] Tuan's Video > Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 8:50 PM > > For all who have not purchased Tuan's new shred tape I suggest you do. It is > edited to show only the good runs and the newer moves and combos. It also has > a few non BAP members on it. On an entirely different note, are any BAP > members going to the Southern California tournament? > Later, > Ryan Mulroney. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 27 06:08:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA00636 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 06:08:35 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA00632 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 06:08:32 GMT Received: from eric@javaconnection.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (629) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA00627 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 06:08:29 GMT Received: from sol.javaconnection.com (sol.javaconnection.com [207.155.18.98]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA10397 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 22:08:54 -0800 Received: from Uranus.javaconnection.com ([207.155.18.105]) by sol.javaconnection.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA32217 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:29:21 -0800 Message-ID: <333A0E78.742A@javaconnection.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 22:06:48 -0800 From: eric Reply-To: eric@javaconnection.com Organization: Java Connection Internet Cafe X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Tuans video Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >>Some non BAP members, but >>not all BAP members there. What happend to Josh Casey, Greg Nelson, >>and >>Scott Davidson. Like all the stuff rippin came up with. This tape is >>deffinatly awesome. >I'd like to propose a general policy on the list, and I hope everyone >will >join me in following it: >Let's try not to publically nit-pick each other's work. For example, >if >Tuan and Tu spend their time to edit together their personal video >collection and make copies for people, don't complain about who is and >isn't on the darned thing. And when it comes to video, for goodness' >sake, >who has the time and energy to make sure everyone on the planet is in >every >video they put together? Give 'em a break, please. Im sorry Steve, but I think you are taking my question a little to seriously. I was just curious as to why they are not in it. I am not talking trash about the video, cause the video kicks ass. I just remember that raw shread showcased every bap member, and I was curious why a few were left out in this one. Sorry that I "nit-picked". Eric Windsor O /|\ o \\ _// ` From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 27 07:23:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA01510 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:22:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA01501 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:22:55 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1497) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA01495 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:22:52 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] ([205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10833 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:23:47 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <333A0E78.742A@javaconnection.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:24:27 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] Tuan's video Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 10:06 PM -0800 3/26/97, eric wrote: >I just remember that raw shread showcased every bap member, >and I was curious why a few were left out in this one. Okay, it seems like there's still some confusion about this videotape. Tuan's video is *not* "Raw Shred II". I don't mean to diminish its importance in any way, but I just want everyone to know it is not a commercial venture of the scope of "Raw Shred". It involved many hours of Tuan's time, yes, but nothing compared to the time and money "Raw Shred" involved. It is not a tape profiling the "Big-Add Posse" (which is what "Raw Shred" set out to do). It is just another "shred" tape (although it probably contains some of the most insane material to date), made by Tuan using his own footage, and sold to footbaggers more as a service than as a product. There are a *lot* of shred tapes -- Scott Davidson has been making tapes for a long time, as has Tuan in the past, as have I, and many others. There is nothing different about this tape. So if everyone is done asking why people are and aren't on the tape, can we get on with our lives? Thanks. :-) Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 27 13:17:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA03893 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:16:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA03889 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:16:57 GMT Received: from mike138@capecod.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3886) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA03884 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:16:56 GMT Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA12533 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 05:17:54 -0800 Received: from default (mar41.capecod.net [205.230.14.41]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03590 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:17:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703271317.IAA03590@mailhost.capecod.net> From: "Mike Keymont" To: "List Footbag" Subject: [footbag] The shoes: Epilogue Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 21:37:34 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Like these catchy subject titles? I've got more: Resevoir Shoes, The Shoefather etc... Anyway, I found the lining and swiftly removed it. Very nice. Now it seems that the shoes help me to see my weaknesses, such as posture and speed! Again, very nice! I'm doing freestyle demos in my area (plymouth, MA) if anyone cares to join me. If not I'll singlehandedly bring footbag to MA. Either way suggestions like where to do it, how much advertising and wording for the ad(d)s would be great. Mike Keymont From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 27 14:24:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA04268 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:24:47 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA04264 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:24:45 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4261) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA04259 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:24:44 GMT Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA12797 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 06:25:43 -0800 Received: from [204.148.85.51] (d51.dialnet1.interaccess.com [204.148.85.51]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id IAA23648; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:24:40 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:34:50 -0500 To: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney), footbag@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: [footbag] Re: [freestyle] The Tape Sinister... Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Josh! >I know there's a dexterity bean I haven't found yet, but I'm sure it's >either animal, vegetable or mineral. As for the cross body, that is just balance. Many of the BAP are vegetarians, at least 25%, probably more... so for them I am certain that the dexterity bean is either vegetable or mineral. How many are left handed? See ya! Scott. Enlightener From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 27 20:33:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA06204 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:31:56 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA06196 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:31:55 GMT Received: from dbotkin@family.hampshire.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6193) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA06190 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:31:54 GMT Received: from family.hampshire.edu (family.hampshire.edu [192.101.188.104]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14457 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:32:54 -0800 Received: (from dbotkin@localhost) by family.hampshire.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA05138 for footbag@footbag.org; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:38:02 -0500 From: Daniel Botkin Message-Id: <199703272038.PAA05138@family.hampshire.edu> Subject: [footbag] stories To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:38:02 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey Friends, I'm collecting stories that illustrate footbag's remarkable capacity to bridge cultural boundaries, avert violence or unite otherwise different or alien people. I have quite a collection of such anecdotes, some near legendary as testimonies of the unique social catalyst that is sack! Some day, compilation, editing and publishing (at least on the net)is surely in order... What's yours? Dan Botkin Footbag Peace Initiative From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Mar 27 21:06:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA06355 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 21:06:12 GMT Received: from ratcliff@advtel.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (6234) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA06232; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:39:38 GMT Received: from noc1.eatel.net (ns1.eatel.net [207.101.8.253]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14519; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:40:29 -0800 Received: from p166 (max4-22.eatel.net [207.101.8.142]) by noc1.eatel.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA12630; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:56:38 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970327204059.00683e58@mail.advtel.net> X-Sender: ratcliff@mail.advtel.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:40:59 -0600 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Wes Ratcliff Subject: [footbag] Hackman's Page is Totally Redone!! Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org As most of you know, Hackman's Page hasn't been updated for about 3 weeks. During that time, I have been adding new features, *trying* to cut down on the wait for the graphics etc. I have added new features such as a real Java Chat, a part about Stretches, and coming soon a "Hack FAQ" :) Although just about everything works, it would be cool if some people could cruise by and give me some comments etc. So go check it out! --==IMPORTANT==-- The alternate address for Hackman's Page is http://www.eatel.net/~ratcliff/ it is shorter than the other one. Both address still go the same place however. Anyway, drop me a line about Hackman... -Wes ratcliff@advtel.net From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 28 00:21:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA07497 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:21:54 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA07493 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:21:51 GMT Received: from stuart.macferson.1@uni.massey.ac.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (7490) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA07488 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:21:51 GMT Received: from cc-server9.massey.ac.nz (cc-server9.massey.ac.nz [130.123.128.11]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15706 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:22:52 -0800 Received: from stu (actually port1117-Auck.ihug.co.nz) by cc-server9 with SMTP(PP); Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:22:33 +1200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970328002029.0069302c@uni.massey.ac.nz> X-Sender: 95055311@uni.massey.ac.nz X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:20:29 +1200 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Stuart Macferson Subject: [footbag] Where for art thou laver?? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Greetings all, My dad is visiting Newport, Rhode Is and possibly Boston, next month. I was wondering if there are any outlets in this area that sell lavers? ie Holibird. Cheers Stuart Macferson - Co Sultan of the AFFC "...Life just fades away Purity just begs Dust to dust, we're wired into sadness..." Billy Corgan From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 28 01:14:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA07815 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 01:14:47 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA07811 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 01:14:45 GMT Received: from martinco@videotron.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (7808) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA07806 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 01:14:44 GMT Received: from bizet.videotron.net (bizet.videotron.net [205.151.222.75]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16012 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:15:47 -0800 Received: from martinco (ppp132.223.mmtl.videotron.net [207.96.223.132]) by bizet.videotron.net (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id UAA26670 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:15:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:15:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703280115.UAA26670@bizet.videotron.net> X-Sender: vlwobrie@pop.videotron.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org From: martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?c=F4t=E9?= Subject: [footbag] Re: [announce] Important East Coast Regionals Update! Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey Tu It looks like we all going to crash at your place, just called the hotel and they're sold out for that weekend. Not sure but about 8 people from Montreal are going down. Martin At 12:56 97-03-26 -0500, you wrote: >To all that plan on coming to the East Coast Championship, > >This friday, March 28, is the LAST day you can obtain a hotel room at the >discounted rate of $65/night; 4 people per room. > >Vince Bradley, will be holding six rooms *BUT* those rooms go fast and the >availabilty of those rooms is uncertain. > >So PLEASE, contact the BEST WESTERN & FUN DOME of College Park. >To reserve a room, please call 1-800-528-1234 and mention 'East Coast >Championships' to receive the dicounted rate. > >THANKS A LOT and I hope to see you all at the 15th Annual East Coast >Championships! > > > From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 28 02:45:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA08209 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 02:45:37 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA08205 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 02:45:35 GMT Received: from durfduo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8202) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA08200 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 02:45:34 GMT From: Durfduo@aol.com Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com (emout10.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.25]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16462 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:46:37 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA11501; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 21:46:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 21:46:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970327214634_1410780631@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: Mike138@capecod.net cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: Demos Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Mike, Your enthusiasm is great! I'm trying to start a club myself here in Richmond, VA. Unfortunately I have little free time to kick and hunt for other kickers. So I'm trying to make the most of the few opportunities I get to kick. I just set up a demo for myself and a few D.C. Allstars to kick at Buzzfest, an alternative music and earth day event here in Richmond. I'm pumped because it should help me get my club off the ground. Regarding demos, my advice is to take the demo to the people if possible. It's easier than trying to attract people to a certain location. Places/events like malls, festivals, sporting events, etc. are great for demos. Try to set up in a spot where you'll be highly visible. And remember, nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd. So once you get a bunch of people watching, others will be curious and check it out. Then encourage people to try and kick. Go out in the audience and get them to try! I always have handouts. Ask the WFA to send you some Footbucks (for joining the WFA) to give out. I have an information sheet that I created using various sources that packs as much info on footbag as possible onto two sides of a page - footbag games, footbag history, kinds of footbags, footbag information sources, upcoming events, etc. Trying to secure the demo is usually the toughest part. It helps if you can show the folks whose permission you need that there is a potential benefit for them. For example, a demo at a mall sporting goods store (preferably near the entrance for visibility to passersby) to promote the sale of footbags. A written proposal explaining your objective and touting footbag as an up and coming sport has worked well for me. Professionalism counts! Hope this didn't sound like a lecture. Just trying to help out. Let me know if you have any questions. Will you be at East Coasts? Scott Durfee Richmond, VA P.S. I'll post an announcement on my demo soon if anyone else wants to attend. Buzzfest is April 19th at Richmond's Classic Amphitheatre. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Mar 28 21:00:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02023 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 20:59:49 GMT Received: from aveltman@igc.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (1985) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA01982 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 20:54:39 GMT Received: from igc7.igc.org (igc7.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.35]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21326 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:54:41 -0800 Received: from igc3.igc.apc.org (igc3.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.33]) by igc7.igc.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04494 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp4-21.igc.org (aveltman@ppp4-21.igc.org [198.94.4.21]) by igc3.igc.apc.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18321 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:53:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:53:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970328125251.2eefb9fa@pop.igc.org> X-Sender: aveltman@pop.igc.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org From: andrea & edwin Subject: [footbag] SF --> So. Cal. Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I'm planning on doing a last minute plane ticket purchase for the So. Cal. tournament, travelling from Oakland to L.A. Tickets are running about $100, but Southwest Air is offering 2 tickets for $170. I'd like to leave early Sat. morning, or possibly Fri. evening. Anyone wishing to join me and save a couple bucks, or know someone who does, please call me ASAP at 510-601-5512. A car ride to the airport from the N. Oakland area will be included. Thanks! -Edwin From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Mar 29 03:31:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA03945 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 03:31:06 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA03941 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 03:31:04 GMT Received: from mbaker@imsa.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3938) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA03936 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 03:31:04 GMT Received: from postoffice.imsa.edu (java.imsa.edu [143.195.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23827 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 19:31:05 -0800 Received: from pepsi.imsa.edu (pepsi [143.195.1.5]) by postoffice.imsa.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA14374 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 19:49:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mbaker@localhost) by pepsi.imsa.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id TAA24851 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 1997 19:49:40 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: pepsi.imsa.edu: mbaker owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 19:49:40 -0600 (CST) From: Baker X-Sender: mbaker@pepsi To: footbag@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org ok, i know this is like the fifth time i've complained about this, but... can someone plases give me EXACT STEP-BY-STEP instructions on altering the rod lavers? i'm really sorry to be whining about it so much, but if i screw up, the shoes are worthless... thanks baker From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Mar 30 02:39:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA08210 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 02:38:55 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA08206 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 02:38:53 GMT Received: from mbaker@imsa.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8203) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA08201 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 02:38:53 GMT Received: from postoffice.imsa.edu (java.imsa.edu [143.195.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28907 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 18:39:07 -0800 Received: from pepsi.imsa.edu (pepsi [143.195.1.5]) by postoffice.imsa.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA12371 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:39:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mbaker@localhost) by pepsi.imsa.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA24754 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:39:02 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: pepsi.imsa.edu: mbaker owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:39:01 -0600 (CST) From: Baker X-Sender: mbaker@pepsi To: footbag@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org hey people, i finally got the shoes all cut up and everything..thanks i guess i have another question now... what's the best freestyle footbag out there? the webpage said either the twisted or some other one made by flying clipper...any suggestions? thanks baker From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Mar 30 06:06:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA00391 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 06:03:28 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA00387 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 06:03:26 GMT Received: from kicking@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (384) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA00382 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 06:03:25 GMT Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29784 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 1997 22:03:25 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA01515; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 00:02:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 00:02:13 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703300602.AAA01515@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Received: from por-or6-07.ix.netcom.com(199.35.206.199) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma001443; Sun Mar 30 00:01:45 1997 From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) Subject: [footbag] Re: To: Baker Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org You wrote: > > >i guess i have another question now... >what's the best freestyle footbag out there? The Juice. Hands down. No doubt. Custom facile, sewn by Dennis or Toes. Get a juice. You won't regret it :-) tricia > From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Mar 30 13:18:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA01586 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 13:16:52 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA01582 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 13:16:50 GMT Received: from mike138@capecod.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1579) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA01577 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 13:16:49 GMT Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA32385 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 05:16:51 -0800 Received: from default (mar30.capecod.net [205.230.14.30]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19066 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 08:16:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703301316.IAA19066@mailhost.capecod.net> From: "Mike Keymont" To: "List Footbag" Subject: [footbag] Combo question Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:40:00 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi all, When does a combo end? If I do paradox mirage then a butterfly then osis straight to a leg-over, then a mirage to a blurry eclipse, is that all one combo? Also, I seem to be having a tough time with double dexterity moves. Any suggestions? What to try first etc.. Thanks! Mike Keymont From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Mar 30 16:34:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA02047 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 16:32:59 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA02043 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 16:32:57 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2040) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA02038 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 16:32:56 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00130 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 08:33:00 -0800 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id LTX26040; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 11:32:16 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 11:22:31 -0500 Subject: [footbag] Re: Message-ID: <19970330.112947.3758.0.dervish@juno.com> References: <199703300602.AAA01515@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,6-13 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Sun, 30 Mar 1997 00:02:13 -0600 (CST) kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) writes: >>i guess i have another question now... >>what's the best freestyle footbag out there? > >The Juice. Hands down. No doubt. Custom facile, sewn by Dennis or Toes. > >Get a juice. You won't regret it :-) >tricia >> Hear, hear. JP From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 31 01:14:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA03797 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 01:13:05 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA03793 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 01:13:03 GMT Received: from mike138@capecod.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3790) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA03788 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 01:13:03 GMT Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02764 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 17:13:11 -0800 Received: from default (mar50.capecod.net [205.230.14.50]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA29255 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 20:13:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199703310113.UAA29255@mailhost.capecod.net> From: "Mike Keymont" To: "List Footbag" Subject: [footbag] Invention ? Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:36:16 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi all, Has anyone ever hit a toe osis? That is, from a right toe pendulum-like carry, but spin to the left while carrying the bag. Release with your foot upside down in a x-bdy upside down toe stall(?). Try it, you'll see what I mean. Mike Keymont P.S. Picture a cross body sole stall with the bag on the underside instead of the sole! That's what the move ends in. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 31 14:12:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA06248 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:11:19 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA06244 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:11:16 GMT Received: from stoler@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6241) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA06239 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:11:15 GMT Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.13]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA07608 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 06:11:28 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA25238 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 08:11:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from lax-ca23-28.ix.netcom.com(204.31.253.188) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma025220; Mon Mar 31 08:11:13 1997 Received: by lax-ca22-20.ix.netcom.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC3D9A.671FB380@lax-ca22-20.ix.netcom.com>; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 06:11:42 -0800 Message-ID: <01BC3D9A.671FB380@lax-ca22-20.ix.netcom.com> From: Michael Stoler To: "'footbag'" Subject: [footbag] Directions and Info for the Southern California Footbag Championships Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 06:09:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org The Southern California Footbag Championships is going to be happening next weekend, April 5-6, in Hermosa Beach California. In fact, the whole thing, including the site, the hotel, the Friday night hang out, and the Saturday night party are all going to be within 2 miles of each other, all in Hermosa Beach. It's going to be tons of fun. If you're coming early and want to kick on Friday afternoon, drop me a line and I'll set something up. The plan is to meet at the tournament site and play. I've already heard from some people coming early. The Friday night hang out spot is a bar right at the base of the Hermosa Pier called Hennesey's. People under 21 are allowed in as long as they are at a dinner table. Fair warning: the place can get kind of crowded, especially on a Friday night. If Hennesey's isn't working out, there's plenty of other bars and restaurants walking distance away. Many of them have live music on a Friday night. We're hoping to do some pre-registration on Friday evening, but the big registration push will be 9:00 - 9:45 on Saturday morning at the tournament site. The players meeting will begin promptly at 10:00. ** Be on time if you want to play in this event. ** The Saturday night party is at the rec room in a fairly large apartment complex. In addition to a pool table and a ping pong table in the rec room, in the common area there's also a pool, a jacuzzi, a sauna, and a shower. (!) Bring a bathing suit if you want to take a dip. The rest of this email includes general info, hotel info, directions, and a (cheesy :-) ascii map. Drop me a line if you have any questions. (But look at the web page first, , because many many questions can be answered right there.) Lookin' forward to seeing some of you this coming weekend. -Rex ---------------- GENERAL INFO: - Events Ruler of the Court (Net) Open Doubles Net Mixed Doubles Net Intermediate Doubles Net Open Freestyle Shred - Cost $30, includes event t-shirt and lunch both days - Tournament site is... Hermosa Valley Park, in Hermosa Beach. Located at the SW corner of Valley and Gould Street See map. - When do I need to be there? Saturday morning: 9:00 - 9:45 Registration 10:00 - 10:30 Players meeting For details of when the events will be run, wait til the players meeting. - Tournament food? If you're registering for the event, we're going to be serving you lunch both days. There will be a vegetarian option for all meals. (There's a possibility that we will be serving dinner at the party Saturday night. Final details at players meeting.) - Hotels Hotel Hermosa (310) 318-6000 Rooms with King sized bed: $59 + tax Rooms with two beds, ocean view: $79 + tax This is just 1/4 mile from the site. Sea Sprite (310) 376-6933 Prices vary. $79 for a room for two with a single queen sized bed. $95 - $105 for a larger room that opens up onto the beach $235 - $250 for a beach house that sleeps 4 - 10 people (!) Additional $6 per person for more than 2 people. THIS IS RIGHT ON THE BEACH, right at the Hermosa Pier Los Angeles Surf City Youth Hostel (310) 798-2323 $15 per person for a spot in a room that sleeps four $35 for two in a private room Includes breakfast (!) Advance reservations recommended (!) ALSO RIGHT NEXT TO THE BEACH, near the Hermosa Pier - Local crash space? Sorry. It's mostly gone. Write me if you're still looking. Maybe we've got a few left. - Bus from the airport? It's only about 4 miles to the hotel / tournament site Take the airport shuttle to parking lot C. It will have a big "C" on the front. Parking lot C is also the LAX bus terminal. Take bus 232 (only goes one direction). Get off on Artesia. Bus runs every half hour til about 11:00 at night. Fare is $1.35 per person. * PAY CLOSE ATTENTION There's one real funny intersection in the mix. The streets change names in both directions. The North / South street is Sepulveda to the North, and PCH to the South. The East / West street is Artesia to the East, and Gould to the West. Everything you need is within 1.5 miles from that intersection. See the map for a better picture. - Where? Tournament site Hermosa Valley Park at the SW corner of Valley and Gould. Hotels? Hermosa Hotel at the corner of PCH and Artesia Sea Sprite Hotel Surf City Youth Hostel at the bottom of Pier Ave Friday night hang spot Hennesey's at the bottom of Pier Ave. Saturday night party rec room of Playa Pacific Apartments on Herondo, between Valley and Hermosa Ave. See the map. - FOR MORE INFO, call Rex at (310) 318-1988 or email ----------------------------------------- DIRECTIONS: Most of the good things in life in SoCal are found right off Pacific Coast Highway (PCH). That's definitely the case for our event. To get to PCH... ... from the 5 from north of us: 5 SOUTH take the 405 freeway, SOUTH to the 105 freeway, WEST (towards the LAX airport) to Sepulveda, SOUTH this turns into PCH at the "magical intersection" of (PCH / Sepulveda) and (Artesia / Gould) ... from LAX Just take Sepulveda SOUTH turns into PCH ... from somewhere south of us : take the 405 freeway NORTH to Artesia WEST, (only way you can go) to PCH To get to the tournament site, Hermosa Valley Park Artesia changes it's name into Gould at (PCH / Sepulveda). Go WEST on Gould. There will be two stop signs in a row. The first is Ardmore. The second is Valley. The park is on the SW corner of Gould and Valley. The Hermosa Inn is located at the corner of (PCH / Sepulveda) and (Artesia / Gould) To get to the Hermosa Pier: (where the Sea Sprite, the Surf City Youth Hostel, and Hennesey's) On PCH, the second light South of Artesia is Pier Avenue. Go WEST Go down the hill until you can't go any further. This is it. (You could also take Valley or Ardmore SOUTH from the Park and hit Pier Ave.) To get to the Playa Pacifica Apartments (Saturday night party): Take PCH south to Herondo, turn RIGHT or WEST First stop sign is Valley. The apartment complex is just WEST if Valley, on Herondo. From the tournament site, you could take Valley SOUTH to Herondo. ----------------------------------------- MAP: W | S --+----> N | E | | <--Hermosa Pier | | ~~~...~~.~...~~~...~~~.~~~~.~~~~~~...~~~~.~~~~.~~~~~~.~~~..~.~~~....~~~~ ..~~~...~~.~...~~~...~~~.~~~~.~~Pacific Ocean~~~.~~~~~~.~~~..~.~~~....~~ ~~~...~~.~...~~~...~~~.~~~~.~~~~~~...~~~~.~~~~.~~~~~~.~~~..~.~~~....~~~~ @@ &&| | | | ^^| | | | ---+-------------+----------------+-------Hermosa Ave-------------- | | | | | | |// | | |// | | | | %%%%| | | %%%%| ---+-------------+----------------+-------Valley------------------- | | | ---+-------------+----------------+-------Ardmore------------------ | H | P | | e | i | G | r | e | o | o | r | u | n | | l | d | A | d | o | v **| ---+-------------+----------PCH---+-------Sepulveda-------.....---- | | ---> LAX, 105 Fwy | | | | A | | r | 1 | t | 9 | e | 0 | s | th | i | | a | | | | V 405 Fwy Index: %% = Hermosa Valley Park, tournament site ** = Hermosa Hotel @@ = Sea Sprite Hotel ^^ = Surf City Youth Hostel && = Hennesey's, Friday night hang spot // = Playa Pacifica Apartments, Saturday night party From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 31 14:12:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA06260 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:11:37 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA06256 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:11:35 GMT Received: from stoler@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6253) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA06251 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:11:34 GMT Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA07613 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 06:11:47 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA27731 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 08:11:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from lax-ca23-28.ix.netcom.com(204.31.253.188) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma027714; Mon Mar 31 08:11:19 1997 Received: by lax-ca22-20.ix.netcom.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC3D9A.7E131910@lax-ca22-20.ix.netcom.com>; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 06:12:20 -0800 Message-ID: <01BC3D9A.7E131910@lax-ca22-20.ix.netcom.com> From: Michael Stoler To: "'footbag'" Subject: [footbag] net sets needed for Southern California Footbag Championships Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 06:11:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi list. It looks like we've got just enough net sets for our tournament this coming weekend. I'd sure like to have a few extra. If you're coming out to the Southern California Footbag Championships and own a footbag net set, please drop me a line and plan on bringing it down with you. It'll help us out. If you know someone that has a net and is coming down but isn't online, please talk to them and get the word back to me. Thanks. -Rex From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 31 17:24:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA07039 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:23:19 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA07035 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:23:17 GMT Received: from jbowling@deans.umd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (7032) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA07030 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:23:17 GMT Received: from Ruby.deans.umd.edu (Ruby.deans.umd.edu [128.8.10.203]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08528 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:23:31 -0800 Received: (jbowling@localhost) by Ruby.deans.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) id LAA05244; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:22:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Bowling Message-Id: <199703311622.LAA05244@Ruby.deans.umd.edu> Subject: [footbag] 1997 East Coast Footbag Championships To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:22:16 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version for DEANS 2.4-1.6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org *UPDATE*UPDATE*UPDATE*UPDATE*UPDATE*UPDATE*UPDATE* The Best Western, Maryland Inn of College Park has extended the deadline to reserve a hotel room for tournament goers to April 4th, 1997. To reserve a room call (301) 447-2800 and mention the tournament to receive the discounted rate. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 31 18:41:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA07318 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:40:41 GMT Received: from cleerecr8v@thegrid.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (7284) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA07282 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:37:57 GMT Received: from gridsat.thegrid.net (gridsat.thegrid.net [206.190.65.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08950 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:38:12 -0800 Received: from PC_cleerecr8v.thegrid.net (sc171-89.thegrid.net [207.114.171.89]) by gridsat.thegrid.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03654 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:38:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199703272350.XAA07323@eniac.yak.net.taz> References: Conversation <199703272350.XAA07323@eniac.yak.net.taz> with last message <199703272350.XAA07323@eniac.yak.net.taz> Priority: Normal To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: SCOTT CLEERE Subject: [footbag] Re: The cricle just got bigger Date: Fri, 28 Mar 97 11:43:34 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey folks: The ever expanding circle is one person LARGER or should I say HUGE! Noah Wallace Cleere was born on Saturday, March 22 at 10:27 a.m. The large or huge part refers to the brusiers size at 10 lbs 2 ozs and 22 inches long. Mum and Dad are doing fine and looking forward to introducing Noah to his built in community of friends. Noah was wondering if Jasper has a freestyle partner for worlds this year? He was thinking about asking little Mulder if she is planning on playing mixed, and open doubles, well that's gonna be father son thing. Until he gives me the boot. Oh yea, there is a pot of gold at the end of the "Rainbow" (remember that freestyle move:-)>, and Noah is our proof. Shred, Fly, Spike, and Dig. the Cleeres Scott Cleere From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 31 21:05:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA08019 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:04:00 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA08015 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:03:57 GMT Received: from jbowling@deans.umd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8012) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA08010 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:03:57 GMT Received: from Jade.deans.umd.edu (Jade.deans.umd.edu [128.8.10.202]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10016 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:04:13 -0800 Received: (jbowling@localhost) by Jade.deans.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) id QAA16164; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:04:10 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Bowling Message-Id: <199703312104.QAA16164@Jade.deans.umd.edu> Subject: [footbag] '97 East Coast Footbag Championships To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:04:07 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version for DEANS 2.4-1.6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org **1997 East Coast Footbag Championships -- Update** REGISTRATION: We need to know who is coming (especially if you are entering net) by 10 p.m. April 25th so we can set up net brackets and organize the time for each events better. HOTEL INFO: There are three rooms left that we have reserved for the tournament so call now to reserve a room. One room has been reserved for Montreal; Montrealers, contact Yves Archambault for more info. LATEST NEWS: Emmanuel Bouchard does not have a doubles net partner for this tournament! From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Mar 31 22:01:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA08274 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:01:01 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA08270 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:00:58 GMT Received: from jma15@cornell.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8267) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA08265 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:00:58 GMT Received: from postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (POSTOFFICE.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.56.7]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10352 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:01:14 -0800 Received: from CU-DIALUP.CORNELL.EDU (CU-DIALUP-2011.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.155.157]) by postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20098 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:01:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970331165908.00692928@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: jma15@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) -- [Cornell Modified] Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:59:20 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org From: "James Meredith Amrine, Jr." Subject: [footbag] anybody going through finger lakes region Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org A buddy of mine and I are looking for a ride to Easterns on the 25th of April, if anybody is going through the finger lakes region (from Canada maybe?). Still don't know how things are going to work out with classes, but we tentatively need a ride. Please don't go out of your way, but if you're passing through anyway... well, thanks... Jamey James Meredith Amrine, Jr. Mechanical Engineering Cornell University jma15@cornell.edu (607)275-9982