From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 1 17:32:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA12949 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:32:16 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA12945 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:32:14 GMT Received: from wfa4u@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (12942) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA12940 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:32:13 GMT From: WFA4U@aol.com Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04929; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:31:57 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id MAA19025; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:31:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:31:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970401123145_1020850958@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: scott@creativeathletics.com cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: The cricle just got bigger Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Congrats to the Cleere family, Good job, Deb! We'll look forward to hearing all about that delivery. I take a little offense to the "HUGE" comment, since I was 10 pounds 4 ounces. Kayla was also a little miffed that Noah passed her up for Brittan Mulder. They're the same age, but Kayla's got 4 inches on Brittan. Hey, we've got pretty good genes too, maybe not as many World net titles. Peace, love, happiness and SLEEP, Bruce Guettich/WFA and all of the WFA crew (Peter, Allan, Debbie, Loretta, Randy, Scott, and Brian) _________________ >Hey folks: >The ever expanding circle is one person LARGER or should I say >HUGE! >Noah Wallace Cleere was born on Saturday, March 22 at 10:27 >a.m. The large or huge part refers to the brusiers size at 10 lbs >2 ozs and 22 inches long. Mum and Dad are doing fine and looking >forward to introducing Noah to his built in community of friends. >Noah was wondering if Jasper has a freestyle partner for worlds >this year? He was thinking about asking little Mulder if she is >planning on playing mixed, and open doubles, well that's gonna be >father son thing. Until he gives me the boot. >Oh yea, there is a pot of gold at the end of the "Rainbow" >(remember that freestyle move:-)>, and Noah is our proof. >Shred, Fly, Spike, and Dig. >the Cleeres >Scott Cleere From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 1 18:18:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA13145 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:18:47 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA13141 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:18:44 GMT Received: from swingert@creighton.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (13138) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA13136 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:18:44 GMT Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu (bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05381 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 10:19:06 -0800 Received: from [147.134.107.135] (kie135.creighton.edu) by bluejay.creighton.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088128744; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:19:04 -0600 X-Sender: swingert@bluejay.creighton.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 00:30:14 -0600 To: footbag@footbag.org From: swingert@creighton.edu (Sean Wingert) Subject: [footbag] Footbag Related Web Links Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Inspired by a request for an additional link to my LINKS page, I just spent about 1 hour revamping the categories, swapping information into more appropri- ate headings, creating new categories, and so forth and: If anyone is interested, you can e-mail me your footbag related URL (web page) and I'll add it to the list. My goal is to have a rather comprehensive, all-encompassing page dedicated to links for footbag sites as a service to footbag community. There are so many GREAT sites (other than Steve's, BAFL's, FEAT's, Penn.'s, etc.) that I don't want any others to be missed, especially since their web-masters are so willing to dedicate their time, money, and other resources to pushing our sport. Here is the URL for the Links Page (please take a quick peek): http://www.top.net/footbag/htmls/engaged/links.html Additions, deletions, and other corrections are welcome. Sean From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 1 20:14:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA13726 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:14:52 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA13722 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:14:50 GMT Received: from stoler@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (13719) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA13717 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:14:49 GMT Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06548 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:14:44 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA19019 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:14:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from lax-ca38-24.ix.netcom.com(205.184.226.88) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma018907; Tue Apr 1 14:13:14 1997 Received: by lax-ca38-24.ix.netcom.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC3E96.304499F0@lax-ca38-24.ix.netcom.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:14:03 -0800 Message-ID: <01BC3E96.304499F0@lax-ca38-24.ix.netcom.com> From: Michael Stoler To: "'footbag'" Subject: [footbag] Freestyle at Southern California Footbag Championships Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:13:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Due to demand from players, we are changing the format for freestyle at the Southern California Footbag Championships. We will have both Intermediate and Open categories. Instead of a 45 second shred, players will have full routine times, 2:00 for Open and 1:30 for Intermediate. Freestyle will be judged by a panel of judges using a ranking system. If you have any questions about the event, please drop me a line. See some of you this weekend. -Rex From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 2 01:51:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA15200 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:51:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA15196 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:51:19 GMT Received: from goalkeepr1@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (15193) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA15191 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:51:19 GMT From: GoalKeepr1@aol.com Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08841 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:51:16 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA23333 for footbag@footbag.org; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:51:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:51:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970401204926_383393556@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: Footbag Digest V31 #117 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey Rex, What's the deal? If you expect us to have decent routines you might want to confirm routine time more than four days before the tournament. Craig, Mike D and I have been practicing our 45 second shreds and now we have four days to come up with an entire routine. That sucks! I guess we'll see what happens, Later, Ryan Mulroney. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 4 18:15:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01044 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:14:20 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01040 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:14:17 GMT From: freefloe@continet.com Received: from freefloe@continet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1037) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01035 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:14:16 GMT Received: from falcon.continet.com (falcon.continet.com [206.58.168.254]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14081 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:14:06 -0800 Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.58.168.78]) by falcon.continet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release (Release 114) ID# 0-32324U2000L100S10000) with SMTP id AAA156 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:31:46 -0800 X-Sender: freefloe@continet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] U of O tournament in Eugene Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:31:46 -0800 Message-ID: <19970404183145975.AAA156@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Greetings friends, I just wanted to see who will be attending our tournament April 19-20th in Eugene. This will be Net and Golf competition, and there will be both women's singles and doubles events. I especially need to know who needs floor space. We should have plenty but I'd like to hear from folks BEFORE they get here. So please pass the word to people in your clubs who are thinking of coming to contact me. Entry fees will be $15 for open and intermediate players. This will include a T-shirt, footbag, and raffle prize, homebrew (for those 21+), and some other munchie food. We have lots of great prizes and everyone should win. Players from Canada (both Vancouver and Montreal), Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, and Montana have confirmed their attendance and we expect to have a great event. Flying Clipper will also be opening their Alternative sports store here in Eugene by then so if you're passing through the area you should check it out (11th and Chambers). Hope everyone has a great time this weekend in Hermosa Beach, wish I could be there too. peace, becca From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Apr 5 14:25:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA05617 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:25:14 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA05613 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:25:12 GMT Received: from mike138@capecod.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5610) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA05608 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 14:25:11 GMT Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19637 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 06:25:46 -0800 Received: from default (mar47.capecod.net [205.230.14.47]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07329 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 09:25:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704051425.JAA07329@mailhost.capecod.net> From: "Mike Keymont" To: "List Footbag" Subject: [footbag] ESPN Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 13:23:13 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Does anyone know when the Espn show will be on Eastern time?I missed the one in March. Is it April 9th? Mike Keymont From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 7 14:44:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA14590 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:41:07 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA14586 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:41:05 GMT Received: from david_vanderlaan@mail.okbu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (14583) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA14581 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:41:05 GMT Received: from mail.okbu.edu (mail.okbu.edu [164.58.90.70]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA32186 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:42:19 -0700 Received: from Computer_Center-Message_Server by mail.okbu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Apr 1997 08:39:32 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 08:28:00 -0500 From: David Vanderlaan To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] shoe blues Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Greetings all. Now I have been told time and time again that Rod Lavers are the ultimate freestyle shoe, and Super Ashes are decent if you can locate them. Well, I have no idea where to find the Le Coqs, and I have a wee problem with RLs. You see, I will only be investing in one pair of sneakers this summer, and I (call it a quirk) can't stand wearing white shoes...pretty petty, perhaps even a little vain I understand, but I just don't find white shoes appealing. On that note, can anyone recommend a good non-white freestyle shoe?? Even if it isn't up to Rod Laver standards, this is essentially for recreational use and just walking around campus. Thanks all, be good. David VanDerLaan From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 7 15:18:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA14765 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:16:16 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA14761 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:16:13 GMT Received: from wfa4u@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (14758) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA14756 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:16:12 GMT From: WFA4U@aol.com Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com (emout01.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.92]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA32389 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:16:56 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA15734; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970407111606_1817044905@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: Mike138@capecod.net cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] ESPN Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Mike, You wrote: >Does anyone know when the Espn show will be on Eastern time?I >missed the one in March. Is it April 9th? Unfortunately, our ESPN/Unbelievable Sports program on March 24th and April 9th were postponed and no new dates have been announced. The production company responsible for the filming of Unbelievable Sports referred me directly to ESPN's viewer information line. At this point, even ESPN is not sure of an air date for our program. If anyone is interested in doing further research, contact ESPN's viewer information line at 860-585-2000 and ask for details on show number 9 (containing the footbag segment) for the program Unbelievable Sports. Naturally, post any news-thanks. Sincerely, Bruce Guettich World Footbag Association From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 7 17:24:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA15419 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:23:27 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA15415 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:23:26 GMT Received: from vander@auburn.campus.mci.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (15412) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA15410 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:23:25 GMT Received: from aus-d.mp.campus.mci.net (aus-d.mp.campus.mci.net [208.140.84.24]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00419 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:24:41 -0700 Received: from 206.30.222.47 (s18-pm01.auburn.campus.mci.net [206.30.222.47]) by aus-d.mp.campus.mci.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA26338 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33492D03.4DC@auburn.campus.mci.net> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 11:21:08 -0600 From: "Kevin J. Vanderwall" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] shoe blues References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org David Vanderlaan wrote: > > Greetings all. > > Now I have been told time and time again that Rod Lavers are the ultimate > freestyle shoe, and Super Ashes are decent if you can locate them. > Well, I have no idea where to find the Le Coqs, and I have a wee > problem with RLs. You see, I will only be investing in one pair of > sneakers this summer, and I (call it a quirk) can't stand wearing white > shoes...pretty petty, perhaps even a little vain I understand, but I just > don't find white shoes appealing. On that note, can anyone recommend > a good non-white freestyle shoe?? Even if it isn't up to Rod Laver > standards, this is essentially for recreational use and just walking around > campus. Thanks all, be good. > > David VanDerLaan Lavers and markers, be creative. Kevin Vanderwall, A.U.F.O. P.S. What a fine last name, Dave. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 7 18:48:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA15856 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:47:11 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA15852 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:47:09 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (15849) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA15847 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:47:08 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01093 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:47:55 -0700 Received: from coffee.cs.uidaho.edu (coffee.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.77]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id LAA12959; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by coffee.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id LAA17936; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:47:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: coffee.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:47:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: David Vanderlaan cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] shoe blues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > Now I have been told time and time again that Rod Lavers are the ultimate > freestyle shoe, and Super Ashes are decent if you can locate them. > Well, I have no idea where to find the Le Coqs, and I have a wee > problem with RLs. You see, I will only be investing in one pair of > sneakers this summer, and I (call it a quirk) can't stand wearing white > shoes...pretty petty, perhaps even a little vain I understand, but I just > don't find white shoes appealing. On that note, can anyone recommend > a good non-white freestyle shoe?? Even if it isn't up to Rod Laver > standards, this is essentially for recreational use and just walking around > campus. Thanks all, be good. > > David VanDerLaan > Or you could toss em into a bucket of Rit Dye. ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 7 20:26:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA16339 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:23:42 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA16335 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:23:40 GMT Received: from kuchma@golden.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (16332) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA16330 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:23:40 GMT Received: from golden.net (golden.golden.net [199.166.210.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01854 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:24:58 -0700 Received: from [207.6.168.223] (cisco4-223.cas.golden.net [207.6.168.223]) by golden.net (8.8.2/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA20564; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: David Vanderlaan , footbag@footbag.org From: kuchma@golden.net (Mike Kuchma) Subject: Re: [footbag] shoe blues Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey Dave! If you ask me, airwalks or converse are supposed to be pretty good for freestyle. There's also the choice of tennis shoes with a nylon mesh-type toe which tend to be okay. Personally, i found my Nike basketball shoes to be decent, until I got Lavers (which, might i add improved my game a hell of a lot!). Also, if you don't mind sandals, you CAN'T beat a pair of Tevas for freestyle. -- Kuch p.s.: Before you scrap the lavers all together, here's some things you should know: after the modifications, the mesh is relatively translucent, thus if you wear dark socks underneath, the shoes appear grey. Furthermore, you're likely to dirty up the shoes a bit, which also turn their colour somewhat greyish-brown. Not on that, but what's wrong with white shoes anyway? From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 9 04:07:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA25169 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 04:07:04 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA25165 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 04:07:01 GMT Received: from the_sock@ihug.co.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (25162) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA25160 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 04:06:59 GMT Received: from ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA03793 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 21:07:12 -0700 Received: from sat143.ihug.co.nz (sat143.ihug.co.nz [207.212.238.143]) by ihug.co.nz (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23901 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:10:07 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199704090410.QAA23901@ihug.co.nz> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "The Sock" To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 20:35:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [footbag] Jackie Chan Shreds it up... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Heya fellow shredders... I just rented out a Jackie Chan video called "Dragon Lord". And while he doesnt bust out any Dragon delays like I was hoping, you see Jackie Chan demonstrate some heinout net and freestyle type skills, doing spikes, delays, flying clippers etc.. all with some sorta foot-birdie (shuttlecock?)... So if you like to watch Kung Fu mixed with footbag.. this is yer video :) Later From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 9 12:37:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA27246 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:36:42 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA27242 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:36:40 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (27239) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA27237 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:36:40 GMT Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.70.126.131]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA06266 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:36:58 -0700 Received: from [204.148.85.175] (d175.dialnet1.interaccess.com [204.148.85.175]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id HAA16801; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:36:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:36:19 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "The Sock" , footbag@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [footbag] Jackie Chan Shreds it up... Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Everyone! >I just rented out a Jackie Chan video called "Dragon Lord". And >while he doesnt bust out any Dragon delays like I was hoping, you see >Jackie Chan demonstrate some heinout net and freestyle type skills, >doing spikes, delays, flying clippers etc.. all with some sorta >foot-birdie (shuttlecock?)... I just saw a Pringles Potato Chips commercial where they had a group of people standing in a circle (it was done in "fast-cut" editing style) and someone kicked the Pringles can. They also juggled them, devil sticked them among other things. I will know for sure when we are completely into the "mainstream" of society when the next "clip-art" CD that I buy not only has images of skateboarders, but of footbag players as well. (I currently have over 20 CD's of artwork, and not one of them has a footbag or a footbag player in it). See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 9 13:45:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA27605 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:44:37 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA27601 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:44:35 GMT Received: from ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (27598) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA27596 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:44:35 GMT Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06516 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 06:44:53 -0700 Received: from coinc0.coin.missouri.edu (coinc0 [198.209.253.6]) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20604 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:44:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: by coinc0.coin.missouri.edu (8.8.5) id IAA12079; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:44:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:44:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Ida Bettis Fogle X-Sender: ifogle@coinc0 To: footbag listserve Subject: [footbag] footbag mentioned Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Just thought I'd let everyone know that hacky sack (sic) is mentioned in the latest issue of Mothering magazine. Unfortunately the mention is that someone's kids can't kick in the town square someplace because it's banned there. But it was mentioned without any explanations of what it is, as if it's assumed everyone will automatically know. You win some; you lose some. Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 9 19:52:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA29273 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:50:59 GMT From: jwwelzien@eiccd.cc.ia.us (Jeff Welzien) Received: from jwwelzien@eiccd.cc.ia.us (Jeff Welzien) via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (29206) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA29204 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:44:27 GMT Received: from bbs.eiccd.cc.ia.us ([198.247.104.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08498 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:45:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199704091945.MAA08498@Market.NET> To: footbag@footbag.org Date: 9 Apr 1997 13:29:14 EDT Subject: [footbag] ESPN Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi, I'm a new member to the list and I am sorry to say my first message is a sad one. In the last issue of Footbag World it stated in one of the articles that the 1996 Worlds would be on ESPN today. So, like any footbag fanatic I was up all morning waiting for it to air. I finally called the Footbag World Hotline to place an order and I found out the show was cancelled. Needless to say I was bummed. I feel like maybe I was the last to know. I'm going to check the Net now to see if there is anything about the cancellation. I've never seen a Footbag event, much less the Worlds. Thanks for listening Jeff Welzien From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 9 19:52:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA29262 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:50:57 GMT Received: from hungchang_at_bldg2@ca.slr.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (28616) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA28614 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:20:50 GMT From: HungChang_at_BLDG2@ca.slr.com Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07644 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:21:01 -0700 Received: from dns.slr.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.3/SMI-5.4-PSI) id NAA09069; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ca.slr.com ([158.116.9.16]) by dns.slr.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10045; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:21:48 -0700 Received: from ccMail by ca.slr.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA860606358; Wed, 09 Apr 97 10:07:39 PST Date: Wed, 09 Apr 97 10:07:39 PST Message-Id: <9703098606.AA860606358@ca.slr.com> To: "The Sock" , footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Jackie Chan Shreds it up... Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org "The Sock" wrote: >I just rented out a Jackie Chan video called "Dragon Lord". I am glad someone brought up this kick-ass Jackie Chan movie. This movie is an action/comedy filmed in Taiwan. Jackie Chan directed the movie and invented three strange games for the movie. One of them was the Chinese shuttlecock/ultimate/soccer game which players kicks and passes the shuttle cock with their feet and shoot for goals. The skill of the actors/stuntmen were amazing combining freestyle and net moves. Note that the movie came out @1982 when footbag net/freestyle was at its infancy, while the stuntmen in the movie exhibit much more advanced skills. I first saw this movie when I was ten years old in the theater. It was the first time I saw skilled kickers. Very inspiring. Hung p.s. you can probably find this movie in any Asian videostore. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [footbag] Jackie Chan Shreds it up... Author: "The Sock" at uucpmail Date: 4/9/97 2:53 AM Heya fellow shredders... I just rented out a Jackie Chan video called "Dragon Lord". And while he doesnt bust out any Dragon delays like I was hoping, you see Jackie Chan demonstrate some heinout net and freestyle type skills, doing spikes, delays, flying clippers etc.. all with some sorta foot-birdie (shuttlecock?)... So if you like to watch Kung Fu mixed with footbag.. this is yer video :) Later From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 10 14:05:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA00640 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:05:04 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA00636 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:05:01 GMT Received: from stoler@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (631) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA00629 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:05:00 GMT Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14436 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:05:59 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA18259 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:05:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lax-ca20-01.ix.netcom.com(204.31.253.65) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma018232; Thu Apr 10 09:05:27 1997 Received: by lax-ca25-18.ix.netcom.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC457D.A3CE8320@lax-ca25-18.ix.netcom.com>; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:05:58 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC457D.A3CE8320@lax-ca25-18.ix.netcom.com> From: Michael Stoler To: "'footbag'" Subject: [footbag] RESULTS: Southern California Footbag Championships Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:05:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org The Southern California Footbag Championships were held in Hermosa Beach this last weekend. The event was a huge success. The weather was sunny and warm and the bags were flying. Contrary to any previous reports, the expanded freestyle format was well received by the players. >From the net players, I received best compliment a tournament director can get. "This turf is so flat." "This grass is so springy." "I don't have to play with my wrist protectors." All true. If you weren't there, you owe it to yourself to ask someone who was. One of the host hotels (the Sea Sprite) literally opens up to the beach. This is definitely one of the funnest stops on the footbag calendar. But enough chatter. How about some results? Ruler of the Court 1. Scott Cleere 2. Brent Welch 3. Dave Butcher 4. Jimmy Caveney Intermedate Doubles Net 1. Ryan Mulroney / Mike Dailey 2. Edwin Veltman / Brandon Plymel 3. Wesley Wright / Chris Steese 4. Lonya Julin / Chris Young Open Doubles Net 1. Chris "Gator" Routh / Yosarrian Kelley 2. Brent Welch / Chris Ott 3. Hung Chang / Mike Mc? 4. Jody Welch / Julie Symons Open Singles Freestyle 1. Ryan Mulroney 2. Eric Windsor 3. Red Husted 4. Spider Killeck 5. John Leyes Intermediate Singles Freestyle 1. Mark DeFillipo 2. Arron DeGlanville 3. Arron Omatshu .. Thanks to all the players who came down. It wouldn't have been a tournament without you. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 10 19:01:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02032 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:01:54 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02028 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:01:52 GMT Received: from stoler@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2025) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02023 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:01:51 GMT Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17149 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:02:52 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA03901 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:02:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lax-ca12-21.ix.netcom.com(204.30.73.213) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003887; Thu Apr 10 14:02:36 1997 Received: by lax-ca9-17.ix.netcom.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC45A6.FCEFE880@lax-ca9-17.ix.netcom.com>; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:01:57 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC45A6.FCEFE880@lax-ca9-17.ix.netcom.com> From: Michael Stoler To: "'footbag'" Subject: [footbag] COMPLETE RESULTS: Southern California Footbag Championships Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:01:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org OOPS! It seems I skipped the Mixed Doubles results in my last post. Here is a complete listing of the results. .. Ruler of the Court 1. Scott Cleere 2. Brent Welch 3. Dave Butcher 4. Jimmy Caveney Open Doubles Net 1. Chris "Gator" Routh / Yosarrian Kelley 2. Brent Welch / Chris Ott 3. Hung Chang / Mike Mc? 4. Jody Welch / Julie Symons Mixed Doubles Net 1. Julie Symons / Alexis Deschienes 2. Amy Westberg / Chris "Gator" Routh 3. Heather Muggleton / Dave Butcher Intermedate Doubles Net 1. Ryan Mulroney / Mike Dailey 2. Edwin Veltman / Brandon Plymel 3. Wesley Wright / Chris Steese 4. Lonya Julin / Chris Young Open Singles Freestyle 1. Ryan Mulroney 2. Eric Windsor 3. Red Husted 4. Spider Killeck 5. John Leyes Intermediate Singles Freestyle 1. Mark DeFillipo 2. Arron DeGlanville 3. Arron Omatshu From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 11 06:48:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA04953 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:48:41 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA04949 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:48:39 GMT Received: from poisnblood@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4946) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA04944 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:48:38 GMT From: Poisnblood@aol.com Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com (emout10.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.25]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA20885 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:49:44 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA00874 for footbag@footbag.org; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970411024942_1022035515@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Thanks Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Thanks to everyone who made the southern california tournament possible. -Mike From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 11 18:05:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01266 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:03:41 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01262 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:03:38 GMT Received: from rtroxel@ops.esu19.k12.ne.us () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1259) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01257 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:03:37 GMT Received: from redgate.esu19.k12.ne.us (redgate.esu19.k12.ne.us [162.127.19.9]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA23890 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:03:35 -0700 Received: by redgate.esu19.k12.ne.us; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA03026; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:09:42 -0500 Received: by ops.esu19.k12.ne.us; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Aug96-0319PM) id AA08996; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:52:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:50:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Ryan Troxel Subject: [footbag] Footbag in mag Cc: "'footbag'" In-Reply-To: <01BC3E96.304499F0@lax-ca38-24.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey in the new issue of MAD magazine on page 36 they show two guys playing footbag freestyle by a graveyard. the one looks like he is in the middle of a whirling swirl. rye From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Apr 12 16:23:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA06111 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:22:07 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA06107 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:22:05 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6104) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA06102 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:22:03 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29166 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 09:22:12 -0700 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id MgK04080; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:20:31 EDT To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:16:58 -0400 Subject: [footbag] MTV UNFILTERED Message-ID: <19970412.121659.3486.0.dervish@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,10-11 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org hEY, i JUST CHECKED MY LOCAL oops, sorry, didn't realize I was houting... Checked my local listings and found 'MTV Unfiltered' listed at 1030 pm Eastern Standard Time, Sunday, April 13. Thanks, JP -These are bagpipes. I understand the inventor of bagpipes was inspired when he saw a man carrying an indignant, asthmatic pig under his arm. Unfortunately, the man-made sound never equalled the purity of the sound acheived by the pig. - Alfred Hitchcock From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 14 18:40:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA15796 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:40:40 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA15792 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:40:39 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (15789) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA15787 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:40:38 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00903 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:40:39 -0700 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11696; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:20:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] MTV? To: footbag@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Greetings Footbaggish Folks! So did MTV show that Worlds footage last night? We swung someone's satellite up here round and round without success... If it was shown - did anyone in Eugene, or anyone going to the Eugene tournament, tape it perchance?...Whereby we canuckian Eugene-goers might be able to obtain a copy, hmmmmmm? :-) scrappying along, jooooliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 16 01:38:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA23267 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 01:37:49 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA23263 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 01:37:47 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (23260) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA23258 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 01:37:46 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04200 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:38:00 -0700 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id VQC03727; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:37:18 EDT To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:33:42 -0400 Subject: [footbag] Death and other unavoidables? Message-ID: <19970415.213343.3342.8.dervish@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Is it too late to deduct the $25 I paid for the permit application for my upcoming event? While I'm on the subject, how about shoes and travel and gatorade? Are any of the footbag-for-a-living crew online to answer my gobbledygook? From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 16 15:14:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA27052 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:14:29 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA27042 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:14:25 GMT Received: from rtroxel@ops.esu19.k12.ne.us () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (27035) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA27033 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:14:22 GMT Received: from redgate.esu19.k12.ne.us (redgate.esu19.k12.ne.us [162.127.19.9]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08172 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:14:50 -0700 Received: by redgate.esu19.k12.ne.us; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA14419; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:21:08 -0500 Received: by ops.esu19.k12.ne.us; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Aug96-0319PM) id AA05769; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:18:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:18:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Ryan Troxel Reply-To: Ryan Troxel Subject: [footbag] Top Ten Cc: "'footbag'" In-Reply-To: <01BC3E96.304499F0@lax-ca38-24.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Here is the long awaited Top Ten ways to get Steve pissed at you. 10. Keep asking him when he is going to turn pro. 9. Double posting messages on the same list and talking over the discussion group when it should be private. 8. Spammers---grrrr. 7. Complain about the expensive prices for footbags, nets and Rod Lav's that are sold through the WFA. 6. Never look at his web site that he spends hours a day on. Then hear him tell you "that he is not bitching--well ok I am. 5. Tell him that he is wrong about something. 4. The Troxel's and Sean Wingert (people who put this list together). 3. Unscribe to the announce. 2. When explaining a new move do not use Jobs' notation. And the number one way to get Steve pissed at you 1. Ask him if there is a move called the paradox around the world. Doing or mentioning any of the above will result in a severe verbal and/or written lashing from Steve. Remember a happy overlord is a nice one. This list should be given to all new members who join, that way rookies can avoid his rath for non-compliant behavior. This list was provided to you as a public service announcement from the crack research team of TROXEL, TROXEL and WINGERT. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 17 04:40:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA31808 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 04:39:22 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA31804 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 04:39:20 GMT Received: from goalkeepr1@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (31801) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA31799 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 04:39:19 GMT From: GoalKeepr1@aol.com Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14734 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:39:44 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id AAA01218 for footbag@footbag.org; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970417003933_639721733@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Mudboy? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey, I'm going to be in the Bay Area Thursday through Sunday if anyone wants to play. If so call Red cause that's who I'm probably going to be playing with. Later, Ryan Mulroney. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Apr 19 23:04:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA08505 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:03:09 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA08501 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:03:06 GMT Received: from jimmyc@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8498) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA08496 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:03:05 GMT Received: from ns1.aplatform.com (ns1.aplatform.com [204.29.139.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16376 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:02:49 -0700 Received: from [204.29.139.80] (jcaveney.aplatform.com [204.29.139.80]) by ns1.aplatform.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13519; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:02:45 -0700 X-Sender: jcaveney@aplatform.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 15:56:01 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Jim Caveney Subject: [footbag] NEWS FLASH - Gary Lautt sets New World Record!! Cc: Gary Lautt Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org NEWS FLASH - Gary Lautt set a new World Record today: Singles Footbag Consecutives: 52,335 in 8:11:29 (hours:minutes:seconds) Place: Lia Way Recreation Center, Chico, California Date: April 19, 1997 Event: Open Singles Footbag Consecutive Gary is resting and in good health. He says he is little dehydrated right now, even though he drank over a gallon of water and sports drinks. Gary feels relieved to have finally broken the singles record having been in the game for 17 years and having come within 140 kicks of the record 10 years ago (the record was under 10,000 back then). Gary formerly held the doubles one-pass and timed consecutive records and currently shares the doubles consecutive record with Tricia George (123,456). Special thanks to all of his counters: Dave, Frank, Lou, Jeff, Brian, Jenny, Kris, Amy and Margaret. Gary can be reached via e-mail at: teamlautt@aol.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Apr 20 02:24:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA09212 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 02:23:35 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA09208 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 02:23:33 GMT Received: from marigold@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (9205) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA09203 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 02:23:32 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17491 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 19:23:16 -0700 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA07704 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 19:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 19:23:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Verhoef Anne To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] demos and events Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi everyone! It was a good day for footbag in vancouver. Today, Scott & Chard did a freestyle demo for an audience of about 100 people. The event was a bike show. After the bikers did their demo, Scott & Chard did a very creative routine using all the props of the bikers (cars, boxes, platforms etc). They climbed around the apparatus kicking the bag to one another. This routine was covered by a news crew also. There was also a net court set up for people to try. Inside the building, there were people selling stuff of all kinds. We also sold lots of footbags (represented by adidas) and me and Chard did demos for the crowd. It was a great hook to get people interested in the sport. Adidas was a major sponser of this event and the footbag show. Do lots of demos, it's great fun and spectators will understand the sport better. See ya, Adrian -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Apr 20 17:11:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA12028 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:10:46 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA12024 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:10:43 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (12021) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA12019 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:10:39 GMT Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22628 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 10:10:30 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA15427 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:10:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mod-ca2-24.ix.netcom.com(204.32.158.88) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma015287; Sun Apr 20 12:10:00 1997 Message-ID: <335A4FD5.34D5@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 10:18:13 -0700 From: Mike Niday Reply-To: proshred@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] NEWS FLASH - Gary Lautt sets New World Record!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Jim Caveney wrote: > > NEWS FLASH - Gary Lautt set a new World Record today: > > Singles Footbag Consecutives: 52,335 in 8:11:29 (hours:minutes:seconds) > Amazing. Absolutely amazing. Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Apr 20 21:46:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA12990 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:46:05 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA12986 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:46:03 GMT Received: from tlewis7942@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (12983) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA12981 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:46:02 GMT From: TLewis7942@aol.com Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.43]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24486 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 14:45:55 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA15479; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970420174549_-998992023@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: marigold@vcn.bc.ca, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] demos and events Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Thanks for the report!! I can just picture Scott and Chard giving a GREAT show! Wouldn't it be cool it you could post the newscast over the mailing list? :-) tina. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 21 16:27:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA17665 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:26:17 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA17661 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:26:15 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (17658) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA17656 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:26:14 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00351 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:26:14 -0700 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id XAA08603; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id XAA27960; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:41:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:41:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: TLewis7942@aol.com cc: marigold@vcn.bc.ca, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] demos and events In-Reply-To: <970420174549_-998992023@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > Thanks for the report!! I can just picture Scott and Chard giving a GREAT > show! Wouldn't it be cool it you could post the newscast over the mailing > list? :-) tina. You can post multimedia to the mailing list, but Steve Goldberg might take your life! ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 22 04:50:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA21832 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:50:44 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA21828 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:50:42 GMT Received: from vander@auburn.campus.mci.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (21825) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA21823 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:50:42 GMT Received: from aus-d.mp.campus.mci.net (aus-d.mp.campus.mci.net [208.140.84.24]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08286 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:50:47 -0700 Received: from 206.31.64.70 (s11-pm06.auburn.campus.mci.net [206.31.64.70]) by aus-d.mp.campus.mci.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA29338 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <335C51E0.2F2E@auburn.campus.mci.net> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:51:28 -0600 From: "Kevin J. Vanderwall" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] ouch #2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Well, don't feel bad, Derrick. I crashed on an eclipse and sprained my ankle (2nd-3rd degree) during spring break mind you. The beach isn't quite as fun on crutches but the hydro-codone made up for it. One monthof rehab ON TOP of my tibial stress fractures from symosiums. On thelast day of rehab the doc told me I could kick on hard surfaces again.So that day I went out and sprained my other ankle doing a pixiebutterfly. So I'm laid up off of kicking for a while. Hope to be better for our tournament in Auburn, AL in May. Best recoveries, Temporarily the gimp. Kev. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 22 19:11:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA25518 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:10:40 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA25513 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:10:36 GMT From: freefloe@continet.com Received: from freefloe@continet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (25509) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA25507 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:10:32 GMT Received: from falcon.continet.com (falcon.continet.com [206.58.168.254]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14965 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:10:43 -0700 Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.58.168.74]) by falcon.continet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0121 ID# 0-32324U2000L100S10000) with SMTP id AAA162 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:29:20 -0700 X-Sender: freefloe@continet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] U of O Tournament Results Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:29:20 -0700 Message-ID: <19970422192919758.AAA162@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org 1996 University of Oregon Footbag Tournament We had a great weekend despite a deluge of rainfall on Saturday that was reminiscent of past Chico tournaments. Thanks to all the Open singles players who played hard all day and got us through to finals by the end of the day. Sunday blessed us with sunshine and more fun and great play. We had 75 competitors total, 20 novice players, and 13 women. Players represented Vancouver and Montreal Canada, Washington, Oregon, California, Montana, and Arizona. We had T.V. coverage Saturday and announcements over the radio. The U of O school paper will be doing an article also. Thanks to our sponsors for donating enough prizes for EVERYONE... Flying Clipper adidas (pastime sports) DirtBag (Rainbow Imports) Sipa Sipa Gold's Gym Boardsports Burch's Fine Footwear Face the Music Sam's TO GO U of O Bookstore Bagel Sphere Pegasus Pizza The Results: Singles Golf Doubles Golf 1. Jim "Toes" Fitzgerald (23) 1. Andy Ronald/ Jeff Johnson 2. Becca English-Ross (27) 2. Becca English-Ross/Mike Bilan 3. Jeff "Animal" Johnson (28) TIE 3. Jim Fitzgerald/ Tricia George 4. Andy Ronald (29) 3. Gregg Potts/ Jim Cobb Novice Doubles-Saturday Novice Doubles- Sunday 1. Judy Prokopiak/ Lucas 1. 2. 2. 3. Eli Laird/ Barry Thorsen 3. 4. 4. Intermediate Singles Intermediate Doubles 1. Charlie Baldwin 1. Christy Rapp/ Wendy Curran 2. Bobby Heiney 2. Iain McKechnie/ Ben Kersens 3. Iain McKechnie 3. Aaron Gregg/ Bobby Heiney 4. Aaron Gregg 4. Will Webb/ Tyler Lynn Women's Singles 1. Julie Symons 2. Becca English-Ross 3. Evanne LaMarche 4. Amy Westberg Open Singles Open Doubles 1. Dave Bernard III 1. Dave Bernard/ Chris Routh 2. Chris "Gator" Routh 2. Kenny Shults/ Rob Adams 3. Andy Ronald 3. Julie Symons/ Alexi Deschenes 4. Patrick Aswad 4. Thomas Loria/ Jim Cobb Mixed Doubles 1. Tricia George/ Kenny Shults 2. Julie Symons/ Alexi Deschenes 3. Evanne La Marche/ Andy Ronald 4. Juliet Pendray/ Crass I'd like to recognize the U of O and Free F.L.O.E Club members that made this event happen. Doug, Christy, Brandon, Iain, Will, Ben, Forest, Tyler, Mike, Dennis, Jim, Charlie, Eric, Chris, Cory, Lee, and Emit. Thanks also to many others who helped out including: Kendall, Andy, Brent, Julie, Animal, Rachel, Sheila, david, and Sound Footwork for bringing nets, and those who judged finals matches. Hope everyone had a great time. Thanks for coming and we hope to see you again for our September event the Eugene Celebration (9/20-21). peace, becca From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 23 19:13:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA32021 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:12:31 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA32017 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:12:28 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (32014) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA32012 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:12:27 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11300 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:13:18 -0700 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05474; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:12:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Juliet Pendray Reply-To: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] Eugene - Wahoooooo !!! To: freefloe@continet.com cc: footbag@footbag.org, aloe@vcn.bc.ca In-Reply-To: <19970422192919758.AAA162@LOCALNAME> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Thank you Becca & all those who ran this awesome tournament! I figger I can speak for the Vancouver gang in saying that we all had a really really super kick-ass good time...and look forward to coming back again soon! Even the rain was fun in a wierd sort of way, as it made some things exceptionally hilarious...like sliding all the way under the net into the opponent's court, beautiful aerial shots followed by ignominous (sp?) ass-first splash down into hitherto unnoticed puddles, etc. etc. And it was warm enough not to matter anyways. Thank you Becca, Julie, Dave & Gator for those singles finals matches: They were intense & exciting to watch, and you all played so well despite how tired you must've been! And I figger Julie & Alexeis win top honours for being the most solid and scary-fun team to play that weekend. Am looking forward to a mixed doubles rematch in Seattle so y'all better be there! :-) I could go on & on about the amazing matches & memorable shots & , oh, you know, all the cool stuff... but I'm feeling mostly recovered now & thinking of heading out to ... yes, KICK some FOOTBAG !!! Thanks again for Everything! Wahoooo! ;-) joooooliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 23 19:30:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA32121 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:30:40 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA32117 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:30:38 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (32114) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA32112 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:30:37 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11501 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:31:29 -0700 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13353; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] Returning from EastCoast to Toronto? To: footbag@footbag.org cc: aloe@vcn.bc.ca Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Greetings! If anyone is driving back after the East Coast Tournament to Toronto, Scott Milne is looking for a ride (just for the return trip). He doesn't have email, but if you write back c/o me, I can pass along the message. Thanks! juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 23 22:41:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA00617 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:41:33 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA00613 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:41:31 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (610) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA00608 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:41:30 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12732 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:42:23 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA11161 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 17:42:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [footbag] Re: Wierd Injuries Message-Id: <000000157392944680098@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:41:37 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.8.2 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: footbag@footbag.org (Footbag Listserve) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I'm not sure how well this qualifies, but since my ankle was sacrificed to start the thread, I'm gonna comment. When I was 15 or 16, I got my first real drunk - split a 6-pack of Miller with a friend. After drinking all this, we found ourselves at the = "graveyard hill" - a great sledding hill that came down to the road from the cemetery on top of the hill. Well, it was actually summer, but that didn't stop us. I ended up rolling down the hill a few times before getting sick. The sick part was no big deal, though. The next morning I woke up with well over 200 chigger bites all over my body! I thought I would never stop itching. 8{) (for any northern, costal, or mountain inhabitant that knows not of = chiggers, I invite you to spend a week in my neck of the woods in the summertime. = Happy scratching!) Derrick Fogle From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 24 03:24:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA02432 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 03:23:47 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA02428 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 03:23:45 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2425) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA02423 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 03:23:44 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01449 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:24:09 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA19800 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:24:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [footbag] Re: Top Ten List (was weird injuries) Message-Id: <000000157512944697003@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:23:22 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.8.2 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: footbag@footbag.org (Footbag Listserve) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org My most _severe_ apologies for making the top ten list. I fried my ankle freestyling, Josh wanted a 'screwey injuries' thread, I thought he already introduced said thread to this list, and Steve got pissed. Moral of the story: Don't blurry whirl like I did! Derrick Fogle at least when you goof up with snail mail, the paste orifice still gets your 30-something cents!= From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 25 08:15:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA08309 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:14:25 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA08293 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:14:20 GMT Received: from jbowling@deans.umd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8283) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA08278 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:14:18 GMT Received: from Jade.deans.umd.edu (Jade.deans.umd.edu [128.8.10.202]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05192 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 06:37:06 -0700 Received: (jbowling@localhost) by Jade.deans.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) id JAA04919; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:37:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Bowling Message-Id: <199704241337.JAA04919@Jade.deans.umd.edu> Subject: [footbag] Alexi's Flight Info.? To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:37:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version for DEANS 2.4-1.6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Does anyone know the details Alexi's flight info. for the '97 East Coast Footbag Tournament. All we know is that he's flying from Cali to BWI and is arriving at 6:30. The airline, flight #, and date of arrival is still unclear. Thanks in advance to anyone who knows and can let us know. Jeff Bowling Co-director From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 25 08:15:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA08307 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:14:24 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA08290 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:14:19 GMT From: keithk@msu.oscs.montana.edu Received: from keithk@msu.oscs.montana.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8274) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA08272 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:14:17 GMT Received: from trex2.oscs.montana.edu (trex2.oscs.montana.edu [153.90.250.84]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06688 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:03:26 -0700 Received: by msu.oscs.montana.edu (MX V4.2 AXP) id 55; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:03:15 MDT -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:03:15 MDT -0600 To: footbag@footbag.org Message-ID: <009B3427.9239277F.55@msu.oscs.montana.edu> Subject: [footbag] ride to worlds? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org anybody on the east coast need a ride to worlds this summer? we'll be leaving from pittsburgh,pa aug.7(after the international jugglers association annual convention there) and driving straight out to portland. looking for one or two people to come along and share gas, driving, etc. could even pick somebody up in the middle of the country if it was vaguely along the route. anyone interested, just e-mail me thanks, keith kaplin From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 25 08:15:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA08308 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:14:25 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA08291 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:14:19 GMT Received: from kenned57@pilot.msu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8277) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA08275 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:14:17 GMT Received: from pilot08.cl.msu.edu (pilot08.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.18]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06323 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:17:47 -0700 Received: (kenned57@localhost) by pilot08.cl.msu.edu (8.7.5/MSU-2.10) id MAA74841; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:00:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199704241600.MAA74841@pilot08.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [footbag] introduction To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:00:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cameron Dean Kennedy" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org hello footbaggers i've been one this list for a while now, and thought i would re-introduce myself. I am a senior at michigan state majoring in bio-cheistry and freestyle footbag. I have been playing footbag for about 3 years now, but only seriously for about 8 months. I generally play freestyle by myself because it's hard to cooridinate times to play with people around here. anyway, I work in a genetics lab, and my professor is leaving for italy, and is hooking me up with jobs for next year and the summer, and . . . i may have a choice between seatle, and the san diego area for summer work, and i was wondering if there were many people to kick with in either place over the summer. I kinda want to go to seatle because thats where i want to go to grad school. Is there many people who play there? later _______________________________________________________________________________ Cameron D Kennedy |i had a best friend, but she | Michigan state 1668 E Grand river |dumped me, i have new one now, but| biochem apt 155 ph 337-9470 |he's a guy, i'm not gay, but if i | genetics E Lansing MI 48827 |was i'd be able to meet more women| footbag ______________________|_http://pilot.msu.edu/~kenned57/__|___________________ From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 25 08:40:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA08466 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:40:54 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA08462 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:40:52 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8459) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA08457 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:40:52 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca ([207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00793 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:41:29 -0700 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA20854; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:59:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] A Question: the stats? To: footbag@footbag.org cc: aloe@vcn.bc.ca Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey All! 'Last I knew, there were 230 clubs in 16 countries listed here. So, while I sit here burning both candles at one end ... ... writing footbaggish stuff - I'm wondering if anyone's been keeping track recently. Are there any more clubs and/or new kicking countries to update my material with? Gracias, juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 25 08:48:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA08498 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:48:26 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA08494 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:48:25 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8491) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA08489 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:48:25 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00865; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:49:30 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:50:51 -0700 To: Juliet Pendray From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] A Question: the stats? Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Juliet wrote: >'Last I knew, there were 230 clubs in 16 countries listed here. So, >while I sit here burning both candles at one end ...one candle?> ... writing footbaggish stuff - I'm wondering if anyone's been >keeping track recently. Are there any more clubs and/or new kicking >countries >to update my material with? Actually, I'm about to announce a major change to the on-line club listings; but I'm not quite ready for that, so I'll just leave you wondering.. :-) But to answer your question, right now, as of this VERY moment (yes, it's almost 2am in California), there are: ** 245 clubs in 19 countries ** These are on my (new) club list (which isn't public yet). However, I'm sure a bunch of them are no longer active clubs; I'll be pruning the list soon, with the help of WFA. I'll also be merging in some clubs registered with the WFA but who aren't currently on-line. So the number is really probably pretty close to reality. Steve P.S. Yes, I'm working day and night fixing this stuff up; it's *almost* ready to go public. When I'm done, everyone will be able to edit their own club information on-line (just as we're doing with events)! It'll also make it almost trivial for me to generate stats on clubs (such as the summary above, which is always updated at the bottom of the list). Okay, so I didn't leave you wondering.. :-) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 25 21:29:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02079 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:29:01 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02075 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:28:59 GMT Received: from kenned57@pilot.msu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2072) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02070 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:28:59 GMT Received: from pilot19.cl.msu.edu (pilot19.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.29]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06215 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:28:32 -0700 Received: (kenned57@localhost) by pilot19.cl.msu.edu (8.7.5/MSU-2.10) id RAA19664; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:28:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199704252128.RAA19664@pilot19.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [footbag] Re: my intro To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:28:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cameron Dean Kennedy" In-Reply-To: from "Juliet Pendray" at Apr 25, 97 12:16:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org well, i am coming to california.(:~}> i found out today, that of the two professors i wanted to work with, the one in Seattle is on sabatical(sp?) in San Diego with the professor i wanted to work with there. So, it looks like i get to work with my top two choices at the same place. Kinda bummed because i really wanted to come to Seattle, sounds like a great place to learn net, and i have a few friends out there.Actually i have never heard of anyone who didn't like it there, but i here california is nice too. Juliet, Since i am all the way across the country, i will try to make it up to Vancouver B.C. too. I have never tried any net, infact i have only met one person here that even has a net, and he never wants to play. If i have time and funds i will definately try to get around vancouver, and seattle, and . .. . anyway, at least i am somewhat closer to worlds, i am quite sure i will make it there for a few days, before i head back to michigan. I will probably be in california sometime in mid may, early june, i don't know what sort of schedule the schools follow out there, but i am done next weekend. I wish i knew what school this guy teaches at, i just know it's a suburb type area of san diego. freestyle till it hurts, and then be amazed at how little you need those muscles outside of this sport. pixies, cameron k. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Apr 26 02:32:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA03443 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 02:32:11 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA03439 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 02:32:09 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3436) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA03434 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 02:32:08 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07872; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:31:34 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199704252128.RAA19664@pilot19.cl.msu.edu> References: from "Juliet Pendray" at Apr 25, 97 12:16:49 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:32:47 -0700 To: "Cameron Dean Kennedy" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: my intro Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Cameron Kennedy wrote: >I will probably be in california sometime in mid may, early june, Cameron, (and anyone else who cares) If you're still making plans for the start of your summer -- MAKE PLANS to come to WESTERN REGIONALS!!! It's May 24-26 (Memorial Day Weekend) in Palo Alto, California. (That's about 35 miles south of San Francisco, at Stanford University.) This is an event you *don't* want to miss. Ask anyone -- Western Regionals is a 3-day party, shred fest (we have a DJ playing music non-stop on our perfect freestyle surface), serious net competition (almost all the top players will be there), etc., etc., etc. More information will be posted very soon to the 'announce' list. I hope you can make it! Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Apr 26 06:53:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA04569 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 06:53:38 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA04565 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 06:53:36 GMT Received: from david_vanderlaan@mail.okbu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4562) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA04560 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 06:53:36 GMT Received: from mail.okbu.edu (mail.okbu.edu [164.58.90.70]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09589 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 23:53:13 -0700 Received: from Computer_Center-Message_Server by mail.okbu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:47:59 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:05:06 -0500 From: David Vanderlaan To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] some other injures Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello all. Not to outdo Mr. Fogle's chigger injury, but I heard an entertaining story last weekend while kicking with some strangers in Norman, Oklahoma. Surely all of us have kicked ourselves in some sensitive place or another while trying to perform some stellar move...well, apparently this fellow was really getting into the game and some fast music that was playing in the background. He was kicking the bag with big swooping motions when he managed to knee himself square in the face. I have never kneed myself in the face nor am I sure that I could, but the mental picture just makes me chuckle. Toodles. david van der laan From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Apr 26 13:44:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA05730 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 13:44:40 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA05726 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 13:44:38 GMT Received: from humungis@kode.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5723) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA05721 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 13:44:37 GMT Received: from bsd1.kode.net (bsd1.kode.net [206.42.219.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA11792 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 06:44:16 -0700 Received: from kodenet.kode.net (ppp-45.kode.net [206.42.219.64]) by bsd1.kode.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA08049 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 09:57:23 -0700 Message-ID: <33620614.7CC6@Kode.net> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 09:41:40 -0400 From: Paul Munger Reply-To: HuMungis@kode.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] some other injures References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org David Vanderlaan wrote: > > Hello all. > > Not to outdo Mr. Fogle's chigger injury, but I heard an entertaining story > last weekend while kicking with some strangers in Norman, Oklahoma. > Surely all of us have kicked ourselves in some sensitive place or another > while trying to perform some stellar move...well, apparently this fellow > was really getting into the game and some fast music that was playing in > the background. He was kicking the bag with big swooping motions > when he managed to knee himself square in the face. I have never > kneed myself in the face nor am I sure that I could, but the mental picture > just makes me chuckle. Toodles. > > david van der laan When i was a young lad trying to learn double leg overs, I once kneed myself right in my front teeth. I though that i knocked them out. Oh man did that hurt. What makes it worse was i was kickin in front of some glass windows and behind them were around 30-40 people eating lunch in the college cafe. Total bummer. I was tryin HARD to keep my composure but... my knee hurt really bad 2. i had to sit and laugh or i was sure to cry. Hu-Mungis From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Apr 26 18:49:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA06631 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 18:49:44 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA06627 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 18:49:42 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6624) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA06622 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 18:49:42 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13839 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:49:53 -0700 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id LAA17337; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id LAA22913; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:49:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 11:49:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: Paul Munger cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] some other injures In-Reply-To: <33620614.7CC6@Kode.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > When i was a young lad trying to learn double leg overs, I once kneed > myself right in my front teeth. I though that i knocked them out. Oh > man did that hurt. What makes it worse was i was kickin in front of > some glass windows and behind them were around 30-40 people eating lunch > in the college cafe. Total bummer. I was tryin HARD to keep my > composure but... my knee hurt really bad 2. i had to sit and laugh or > i was sure to cry. > > Hu-Mungis Not too long ago, I did what you might call a pixie double leg over, and my knee connected with my mouth. I had some bloody, swollen lips, but I was okay the next day. ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Apr 26 19:26:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA06795 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 19:26:43 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA06791 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 19:26:41 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6788) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA06786 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 19:26:41 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14079 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 12:26:53 -0700 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20499; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 12:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 12:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: Re: [footbag] some other injures To: Matt Hillebrand cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > > Not too long ago, I did what you might call a pixie double leg over, and > my knee connected with my mouth. I had some bloody, swollen lips, but I > was okay the next day. > Drilling sole spikes lately is an exercise in trying not to knee myself in the chin...sometimes not successful: very jarring ( & worse if tongue is in the way) ! joooliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Apr 26 20:03:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA06886 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 20:03:50 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA06882 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 20:03:49 GMT Received: from mongooz@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6879) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA06877 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 20:03:48 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14179 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 13:03:31 -0700 Received: from localhost (mongooz@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA05932; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 13:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 13:03:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. Ronald" To: Juliet Pendray cc: Matt Hillebrand , footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] some other injures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Sat, 26 Apr 1997, Juliet Pendray wrote: >> > Drilling sole spikes lately is an exercise in trying not to knee myself > in the chin...sometimes not successful: very jarring ( & worse if tongue > is in the way) ! > > joooliet > Knees and chins, kind of goes together I'd say. Whether you want them to or not. At one session of killer net play at Kitsilano Park I was chasing a fine set to the net. It was a crucial point and I was eagre to employ some agro for my spike. Unfortunately I jumped way too far, too fast. I had to adjust very quickly because the set was more than a foot too close tome. I had to drive my leg back in order to get a swing on the bag. Knee met chin, spike was a kill and I landed flat on my ass. The landing jarred the memory of knee meeting chin out of my mind, so I couldn't figure out why my chin was in pain. Until I reached up to feel it and noticed the blood running down my hand. A little first aid and a 10 minute time-out and I continued to play for the day. That night I went to the hospital and got 4 stitches where my knee had caught on my beard and ripped the flesh away in a second smile-like rip. Don't you remember that Julie? Andy From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Apr 27 17:30:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA09861 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:30:19 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA09857 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:30:17 GMT Received: from eric@javaconnection.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (9854) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA09852 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:30:17 GMT Received: from sol.javaconnection.com (sol.javaconnection.com [207.155.18.98]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18812 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 10:30:38 -0700 Received: from 207.155.18.104 ([207.155.18.104]) by sol.javaconnection.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA30520 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 09:56:51 -0700 Message-ID: <33638DC0.5BAE@javaconnection.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 09:32:55 -0800 From: eric Reply-To: eric@javaconnection.com Organization: Java Connection X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello List, It was a year ago I saw my first 32 panel bag, It seemed like a major thing when I first saw it, I was so use to those quatamalan and sipa bags. It doesn't seem that these bags are so rare anymore. I was in the supermarket the other day and when I went to the cheap toy section what do I see? 32 panel footbags. They also had pretty cool 12 panels. I bought both just for a laugh. They are really cheap, only $1.69 each. And It shows. They are made out of some kind of vinyl material that just sucks. The 32 panel is as hard as a net bag. I cant imagine anyone freestyling with them. I hope this means that footbag is becoming more popular with the public. see ya eric windsor O /|\ o \\ _// ` From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Apr 27 17:39:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA09893 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:39:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA09889 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:39:02 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (9886) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA09884 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:39:02 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18854; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 10:39:18 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33638DC0.5BAE@javaconnection.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 10:40:46 -0700 To: eric@javaconnection.com From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 10:32 AM -0700 4/27/97, eric wrote: >They are really cheap, only $1.69 each. >And It shows. They are made out of some kind of vinyl material that >just sucks. The 32 panel is as hard as a net bag. I cant imagine >anyone freestyling with them. I hope this means that footbag is >becoming more popular with the public. Unfortunately, I see it as a *bad* thing.. The problem is the price. "Real" 32-panel footbags should be on the retail market in the $7-10 range, but these extremely cheap, worthless, useless pieces of crap (which are not "footbags" by any definition of the term) that retail for $1.69 are much more appealing to the retailers. The problem with getting real footbags into the hands of the public is in convincing retail stores and chains to carry them. But the retailers, who have no real sense of what a "real" footbag is, can't understand why one bag costs them $.50, while the other may cost them upwards of $5.. These vinyl imitation footbags could have a serious negative impact on the availability of "real" footbags to the general public. Wherever we have a chance, we have to let people know that the cheap-o vinyl bags are NOT FOOTBAGS, and that there are several companies out there who sell excellent footbags for an extremely good price (though it can't compete with $1.69; it's a completely different market). Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 28 08:47:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA12055 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:47:01 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA12051 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:47:00 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (12048) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA12046 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:47:00 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA01547 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 01:46:53 -0700 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ECB04204; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:45:24 EDT To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 04:42:18 -0400 Subject: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere Message-ID: <19970428.044218.3718.10.dervish@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7,9-10,12-14,26,36-37,40-41,43-44,46-48,57-58, 60-65,67-70,83-85 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Sun, 27 Apr 1997 10:40:46 -0700 Steve Goldberg writes: >At 10:32 AM -0700 4/27/97, eric wrote: >>They are really cheap, only $1.69 each. >>And It shows. They are made out of some kind of vinyl material that >>just sucks. The 32 panel is as hard as a net bag. >Unfortunately, I see it as a *bad* thing.. The problem is the price. >"Real" 32-panel footbags should be on the retail market in the $7-10 range, >but these extremely cheap, worthless, useless pieces of crap (which >are not "footbags" by any definition of the term) that retail for $1.69 are >much more appealing to the retailers. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. This may be a blessing in diguise. I have noticed smaller kids getting into footbag, at the "hacky-slacker" levels and below. But they don't care that its not facile. They don't care that it's 4 or 12 or 32 or 468 panels. They aren't interested. They play out of related interest to soccer, or emulating the slightly older posse. The fact that it's more viable to the retailers is cool too, because at the wal-mart/7-11 level it's always gonna *be* the cheap imitations. You see the glass half empty. The point is that everyone (I know this could be considered heresy in some countries) is not going to want to be a net champion, freestyler, consecutives-speed demon, or even a golfer. This sport just *isn't* for everyone. The fact of the matter is, spreading it on like good old marmalade is a good thing too. If the concept (familiarity) is becoming more widespread with the folks who are getting these cheap-o's (likely children from about 6-12, purchased by parents looking for a cheap "out") then there will be in a few years, not only more people playing, but more people friendly to the cause. [ie. hey, I remember that - my sister and I kicked one of those things around the yard/fire hydrant in our infancy, isn't that awesome that these people have extended the use of these things so far, specializing and everything.] This makes our directive easier, finding cameraderie among the up - and - coming in mainstream society as well as within the sport. And why would $1.69 net bags be bad? I could use a new net bag, I softened the heck out of mine yesterday at East Coast, I should have won the "best bruise" contest hands - down. >The problem with getting real footbags into the hands of the public is in >convincing retail stores and chains to carry them. But the retailers, >who have no real sense of what a "real" footbag is, can't understand why >one bag costs them $.50, while the other may cost them upwards of $5.. Why should they? They don't care. They won't care. They carry ripoffs of everything, from barbie dolls to pixie stix to xylophones. Most retailers and chains are interested in one thing. That thing is not easier to aquire by carrying the "top of the line". They want to see first hand if they can move the cheap stuff first, and fast. Then the time comes for approaching these stores with top-notch wares. Incidentally, the pharmacy across the street still has those 12-panel "kickers" made by wham-o that I mentioned a few months ago. They wouldn't see a reason to buy a dozen tangos, nor shoud they. >These vinyl imitation footbags could have a serious negative impact on the >availability of "real" footbags to the general public. Ain't no such thing as 'bad publicity'. >Wherever we have a chance, we have to let people know that the cheap-o >vinyl bags are NOT FOOTBAGS, and that there are several companies out there >who sell excellent footbags for an extremely good price (though it can't >compete with $1.69; it's a completely different market). Exactly. It's currently a market which requires more growth. Not that this sport hasn't had the heck promoted out of it already, but why do people keep coming up to me and asking "what are you doing" and "what is that thing" and "what's in it" and "Oh, are you guys gonna play 'leg-ball'? (thanx Toxic and Jim) I just want to emphasize the importance of awareness over availability. Most junior high school students (the perfect starting age, right?) know what hacky sack is, and the work Toby Robinson and Dave Hillis are doing currently is great exposure. But I found the WFA and consequently organized footbag, because I was lucky enough to see it existed, and then had the initiative to research it on my own. But most folks don't have the opportunity. Footbag is growing fast. I don't mind being one of a select 50,000 as it is. Don't worry, Steve - I'll make sure it gets into the olympics before you die. -JP From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 28 17:12:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA13692 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:12:32 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA13688 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:12:31 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (13685) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA13683 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:12:31 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04504 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:13:02 -0700 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26291; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: Re: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere To: footbag@footbag.org cc: aloe@vcn.bc.ca In-Reply-To: <19970428.044218.3718.10.dervish@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Well, as long as they *are* kickable! The thing I hate is running into younger kids who are attempting to kick with rock-hard, rice-filled, crocheted bags, that are still the most commonly available bag around here. I've met parents who have bought their kids several of these bags, who are astonished to discover that a real footbag is actually kickable - even by them! Meanwhile, they've been looking on at their kids in sympathy for their attempt to master a skill that is apparently beyond them - not knowing that it was all just a case of really bad equipment. For the older kids its not such a problem, as they run them over with cars or squish them repeatedly. But the little kids seem to be into the colours and patterns of their bags, and try not to "mess up" the horrible things. Aaargh! -jooooliet- From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 28 19:05:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA14129 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:05:17 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA14125 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:05:16 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (14122) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA14120 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:05:10 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07545 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:05:42 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07552 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:05:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere Message-Id: <000000160002945099108@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:05:08 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.8.6 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org The equipment does make a difference. How important is that in the early stages of introduction? It would only affect the portion of introductees that are truly marginal in interest level. I think it becomes pretty obvious pretty quick to anyone that likes the game at all that a better bag would be, well, better! Here's where the kick-on-the-streetcorner, one-on-one promotional venue really shines. Anyone who's kicked one of those lousy bags, then sees someone cutting some complex moves, will be obviously attracted to what is going on. It only takes one feel, and the words, "The equipment makes a difference," for them to understand. Anyway, the apprearance of the cheap knock-offs does seem to indicate that footbag as an activity is becoming accepted in the mainstream. I tend to lean towards "bigger pie" rather than "how many slices" with that type of news. Derrick From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 28 20:34:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA14626 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:33:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA14622 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:33:57 GMT Received: from the_sock@ihug.co.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (14619) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA14617 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:33:53 GMT Received: from ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08332 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:33:54 -0700 Received: from sat13.ihug.co.nz (sat13.ihug.co.nz [207.212.238.13]) by ihug.co.nz (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19017; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:36:14 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199704282036.IAA19017@ihug.co.nz> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "The Sock" To: Juliet Pendray Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:47:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere CC: footbag@footbag.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > Well, as long as they *are* kickable! The thing I hate is running into > younger kids who are attempting to kick with rock-hard, rice-filled, > crocheted bags, that are still the most commonly available bag around > here. Those Crocheted Cotton footbags are the only type you can get in New Zealand... except for the leather 2 panel bags of course... I'm forever quoting the WWW Address of where to order the Juice footbags we use to ppl who want something decent... From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 28 21:00:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA14771 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:00:47 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA14767 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:00:45 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (14764) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA14762 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:00:44 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08505; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:47:14 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19970428.044218.3718.10.dervish@juno.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:48:22 -0700 To: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 1:42 AM -0700 4/28/97, Josh Penney wrote: >Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. I'll look it squarely in the mouth and see it for what it really is: a threat to our sport. If they become widely sold, the $1.69 bags are a formula for self-destruction of the sport. The reason is simple -- they are not footbags (no, I'm not being picky -- they really aren't!). They don't even approximate the equipment used by people who actually PLAY the sport or even the casual game. But if people believe this is what a footbag is, they'll buy one, have an insanely difficult time with an already very difficult sport, then give up. Let me clarify -- I'm talking about the $1.69 simulated footbag products here, not just any off-brand footbag (though similar arguments could be made about them). Listen, the Hacky Sack was, and probably still is, one of the least playable mass-marketed footbags on the market. In the beginning, the fad associated with footbag (Hacky Sack) was huge. Think of it -- from nowhere, there were suddenly millions of footbags sold in the US alone within a matter of years. There was even a real commercial on MTV (something we still haven't seen recently, eh?). But then, as quickly as it started, the fad seemed to die. Why? Because the bags sucked and the learning curve, already quite steep for this sport, was made almost insurmountable by the mass-marketed crap bags. It was *despite* this that the sport of footbag got to where it is today (and thanks in great part to the smaller footbag manufacturers and the network of players and friends who have helped it grow). But the Hacky Sack is still a shining star of quality compared to the cheap-o $1.69 vinyl pieces of crap you're referring to. My mantra is similar to what Derrick wrote -- "Not only can a new footbag player benefit from having a high-quality footbag to play with, but it is absolutely essential to his/her learning to kick." What does "high quality" mean? Well, it means one that approximates a well-broken-in Juice (or similar bag), or a well-broken-in Sipa or Guate bag. It probably includes bags like the "DirtBag" and the new Adidas footbag (which is really a mass-marketed Juice, plus or minus). The rest of this message is for the record. It is likely to be controversial. And it is my own personal opinion. It is "no holds barred", so please excuse me if I offend anyone: For years, Wham-O (Kransco, Mattel, pick your company) promoted footbag as a "sell-once" product. That means they were only concerned about make a "fast buck" off the sale of the product, and not about getting repeat customers who would come back to buy more bags once they were hooked. Of course, to really get people hooked, you have to hook them into the sport (at some level). Wham-O (Kransco, Mattel) supported footbag events at a nominal level, at best; otherwise, there was little tie-in between their product line and the organized sport. They always thought the sport was an "elite" group of kickers with a completely different set of requirements. To this day, they (obviously) don't think that the players' opinions matter as far as designing a "good" footbag for sale (since, in my humble opinion, they're in the "sell-once" mind-set). Instead, Wham-O (Kransco, Mattel) come up with completely random things to do to their product line to try to sell more bags -- i.e., make 'em bigger; make 'em brighter; make 'em "tie-died"; make 'em from fancy materials (tricot, flannel); make 'em fit a certain bubble-pack; etc., etc., etc. If they'd only taken that energy and time and (failing) market research to focus their product line towards making their footbags *viable* for kicking, they'd have made a lot more money, in my opinion, and we'd all benefit. Ask Sam Conlon how many times she's tried to explain this to the sales and marketing folks at Mattel when she's done a demo at one of their trade shows. Then ask Mattel how their footbag sales are doing right now. At some point, somebody, somewhere, with lots of money to back it, is going to listen to us players and put a footbag on every store shelf that actually *works* and doesn't scare people away; the difficulty of this sport is sufficient for that -- we don't need the bags to make the learning curve any steeper. Whew. You pushed my hot button #9284. :-) Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 28 22:09:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA15079 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:09:08 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA15075 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:09:08 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (15072) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA15070 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:09:07 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09133 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:09:40 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13582 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:09:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere Message-Id: <000000160162945110147@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:09:07 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.8.6 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Cc: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Mon, Apr 28, 1997, 8:48:22 PM GMT Steve Goldberg wrote: >it started, the fad seemed to die. Why? Because the bags sucked and the >learning curve, already quite steep for this sport, was made almost I think it was a little more complex than that. Hacky Sack followed an almost universal market curve of newly introduced products backed by strong marketing - there was a very large initial bubble of sales, followed by a downturn when the initial target market became saturated. Once the current manufacturer's returns weren't matching marketing spending, they pulled the plug. The wholesale collapse of the Hacky Sack market did not happen until funding for the Hacky Sack and Frisbee festivals went away. >a "sell-once" product. That means they were only concerned about make a >"fast buck" off the sale of the product, and not about getting repeat Which I think tends to validate my more complex market theory... >product line and the organized sport. They always thought the sport was an >"elite" group of kickers with a completely different set of requirements. Which was, and still is, true. I think people's own fascination and intuition are being unfairly discounted. Handing everyone in the world a positive and plentiful media image along with a well-broken in juice will not make everyone in the world a footbag player. There's a segment of the population that just doesn't care. We work to make footbag well known enough that everyone gets exposed to it. But people still make thier own decisions about whether or not to 'get into it.' This decision is certainly influenced by popularity - especially in the media. But those individuals that are attracted to our sport will find us, or be found by us, despite obstacles like shitty bags or lack of media attention. The rest of the market is, by definion, the flaky bunch: Follows fads, influenced by constant bombardment of hype, interest and market dies if advertising $$$'s dry up. It's only a different shade of the one-shot market concept, not a different color. >At some point, somebody, somewhere, with lots of money to back it, is going >to listen to us players and put a footbag on every store shelf that That would be nice. But wealthy capitalists are, well, wealthy capitalists. Why wouldn't they keep doing what they've been doing (short term, one-shot market profit)? You would have to crack an unbelievably big lottery jackpot to even ante up at that table. Derrick Fogle From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 29 04:32:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA16911 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:32:02 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA16907 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:32:00 GMT Received: from hussey@stolaf.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (16904) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA16902 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:32:00 GMT Received: from nic.stolaf.edu (nic.stolaf.edu [130.71.128.8]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA13770 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:32:30 -0700 Received: from [130.71.152.8] (fac-7.atalk.stolaf.edu [130.71.152.8]) by nic.stolaf.edu (SMI-8.6/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA22991; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:32:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:32:15 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000000160162945110147@mlerf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) From: Mike Hussey Subject: Re: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >But those individuals that are >attracted to our sport will find us, or be found by us, despite >obstacles like shitty bags or lack of media attention. A bad bag is a big obstacle. People aren't naturally attracted to it. They may try it to see if it is fun but you don't "get into it" unless you can keep it up, which requires, to a certain extent, a good bag. Most tricks (ie beyond just kicking around) are impossible with the bad bags, which means those who own bad bags do not have access to 50% of what it's all about, or what makes it more fun, getting better is what keeps people hacking (sorry, howabout kicking for those of you who dont like that term) With a bad bag you can only get so far. I suppose the argument lies in if the bad bags are good enough to get you "hooked," in which case a good bag will always be better anyway. BTW, JFYI This is my first post to the group, but Ive been reading quite a long time now, Ive probably met a few of you in Colorado. I do not own a good bag, by the way, but that's because I haven't been able to do a whole lot of footbaggin recently because of school work, the cold, and various trips. but anyway, my two cents, Mike ______________________________________________ Mike Hussey -yessuH hussey@stolaf.edu St. Olaf College From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 29 07:56:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA17599 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:55:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA17595 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:55:57 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (17592) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA17590 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:55:56 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca ([207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16565; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:56:03 -0700 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01608; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Juliet Pendray Reply-To: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] Re: Footbag Club Database On-Line! To: Steve Goldberg cc: dlb@pss.com, footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Congratulations! Another feather for the cap - another leap in access in a place that has brought footbag to the wide world full of hackysackers, hackysackers to the wild world of footbag! Wahoo!!! ...And which is apparently leading to a continent wide mass migration to California...but I guess it's up to that state's government to cope with that........ Thanks for all yer good works! juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 29 15:01:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA18868 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:59:30 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA18864 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:59:28 GMT Received: from rodrigr@ucsu.colorado.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (18861) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA18859 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:59:28 GMT Received: from ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ucsu.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.83]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20787 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:59:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (rodrigr@localhost) by ucsu.Colorado.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.4/CNS-4.1p) with SMTP id IAA27571 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:59:36 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:59:36 -0600 (MDT) From: rodriguez roberto To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: Footbag Digest V31 #138 In-Reply-To: <199704282350.XAA15502@eniac.yak.net.taz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Steve, a good idea might be to contact those manufacturers and work as partners for the sport. You can explain them how serious this situation is and probably reach an agreement. By including the WWW address in the packaging or saying "Send email to..." or "For more information about the sport of Footbag, call..." This may provide some useful information for those "kids" and others to become familiarized with the sport. That will eventually "educate" all those "wanna-be" footbaggers that probably get turned down by "false" footbag imitations. In the long run, Footbag will benefit and the manufactures will have to improve their product or, simply, stay away of the market. This may happen as footbaggers get more demanding for the types of product they want. Simple marketing strategy. Thanks, Roberto I. Rodriguez MBA 1997 -- University of Colorado 1350 20th St. A-63 Boulder, CO 80302 From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 29 16:53:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA19491 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:52:56 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA19487 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:52:55 GMT Received: from alasken@pop.erols.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (19484) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA19482 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:52:55 GMT Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [205.252.116.101]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21660 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:53:05 -0700 Received: from rlasken.erols.com (dam-as8s15.erols.com [205.177.154.87]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09860; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:53:10 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970429124955.00694c14@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: alasken@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:49:55 -0400 To: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney), footbag@footbag.org From: ann lasken Subject: Re: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere In-Reply-To: <19970428.044218.3718.10.dervish@juno.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 04:42 AM 4/28/97 -0400, Josh Penney wrote: >And why would $1.69 net bags be bad? I could use a new net bag, I >softened the heck out of mine yesterday at East Coast, I should have won >the "best bruise" contest hands - down. Yes, I can vouch for Josh here, I think he did win the "best bruise" contest. Didn't I announce that at the award ceremony?? And to everyone who came to East Coast - THANKS! Ann From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 29 19:43:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA20668 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:43:23 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA20664 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:43:22 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (20661) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA20659 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:43:21 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23570 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:44:03 -0700 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14855; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:40:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [footbag] Re:32 panels everywhere To: footbag@footbag.org cc: aloe@vcn.bc.ca In-Reply-To: <000000160002945099108@mlerf.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On a slightly less relevant note: Ahhh...nostalgia for the days of breaking in our two panel leather hackysacks! Back then, those were the prime kicking objects, and as truly obsessed hackers, we spent lots of time discussing the ideal methods of breaking them in. Of which I am reminded whenever I hear a group discussing alternate laver lacing strategies... :-) Some, like myself, were proponents of driving over them with cars. For me, one drive over, and one drive back over with a Datsun B-210 was the best method of all. About 10% of the bags burst that way - acceptable losses. Some of my woefully misguided friends favoured the "whims of fate" approach: Kicking near a road, and when the bag happens to fly into traffic - pausing a few seconds before running after it, allowing the possibility of it being run over first. If the fates were kind, the bag would thus be rendered to the proper consistency. ----------- Although it's been pointed out that anyone with the kicking desire *will* kick anything (though, Josh, the ducttape twinkie idea is pretty new to me!:-)... my frustration is about the younger kids with the impossible to kick bags. Their coordination skills are still pretty new, so the last thing they need is bad bags as an introduction. jooooliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 29 20:09:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA20863 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:09:31 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA20859 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:09:30 GMT Received: from edd@alltel.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (20856) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA20854 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:09:29 GMT Received: from admin.alltel.net (admin.alltel.net [166.102.165.31]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23778 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:09:41 -0700 Received: from alltel.net.alltel.net ([208.0.48.130]) by admin.alltel.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA23431 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:09:39 -0500 Message-ID: <336655A3.6B2@alltel.net> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:10:11 -0400 From: Chad Nichols X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere References: <199704282350.XAA15502@eniac.yak.net.taz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Is it *bad* for baseball that little kids get a group together and play ball with a stick and a tapeball? Is it *bad* for basketball when kids are shooting nerf balls in their room? Anytime you've got kids playing footbag, it's a good thing. If you see some playing with a cheap bag, explain that the bag they are using may have been inexpensive, but is not going to help their game any. You can't expect someone who doesn't play footbag to see a reason in paying $15-20 for a *good* footbag until he uses it for him/herself. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 29 20:34:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA21095 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:34:23 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA21087 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:34:21 GMT Received: from gdurrett@sftelecom.level1.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (21082) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA21080 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:34:21 GMT Received: from sentinel2.level1.com (sentinel2.level1.com [204.160.84.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA23979 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:34:30 -0700 Received: from sft1.level1.com by sentinel2.level1.com via smtpd (for Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) with SMTP; 29 Apr 1997 20:14:48 UT Received: from itchy.sftelecom.level1.com by sft1.sftelecom.level1.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0wMJcM-000SVVC; Tue, 29 Apr 97 13:35 PDT Received: by itchy.sftelecom.level1.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BC54A2.045AB5A0@itchy.sftelecom.level1.com>; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:34:09 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Durrett, Greg" To: "'Juliet Pendray'" Cc: "'Footbag List (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: [footbag] Re:32 panels everywhere (break-in methods) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:34:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Encoding: 44 TEXT Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Back where I come from, we inherited break-in methods developed by our great-grandfolk. The footbags of the early part of the century, they say, were so obdurate that even when the first automobiles rolled off the assembly lines, running over them accomplished little due to the fact of the soft dirt roads that prevailed back then: The old footbags would sink into the road like an erstwhile rock. Sure, the railroad track method was available, but often as not exploded the sacks of yore. When I was knee-high to old Papa, he handed me a tin of mink oil, saying, "Boy, this'll save you a lot of trouble in your high-school years." Indeed, 'round about 1981-82, I pulled out that tin and smothered my new Hacky with that venerable stuff, and shortly thereafter nailed my first right-outside stall. (Any inaccuracies as to the date of the invention of footbag are to be disregarded in the name of artistic license.) Greg >-----Original Message----- >From: Juliet Pendray [SMTP:aloe@vcn.bc.ca] >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 10:41 AM >To: footbag@footbag.org >Cc: aloe@vcn.bc.ca >Subject: [footbag] Re:32 panels everywhere > >On a slightly less relevant note: > >[deletia] > >Some, like myself, were proponents of driving over them with cars. For >me, one drive over, and one drive back over with a Datsun B-210 was the >best method of all. About 10% of the bags burst that way - acceptable >losses. Some of my woefully misguided friends favoured the "whims of >fate" approach: Kicking near a road, and when the bag happens to fly >into traffic - pausing a few seconds before running after it, allowing >the possibility of it being run over first. If the fates were kind, the >bag would thus be rendered to the proper consistency. >----------- >[further deletia] > >jooooliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 29 20:40:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA21144 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:40:22 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA21140 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:40:21 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (21137) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA21135 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:40:21 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24063 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:41:02 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29130 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:41:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [footbag] Re:32 panels everywhere Message-Id: <000000160592945191229@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:40:29 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.8.6 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Tue, Apr 29, 1997, 5:40:56 PM GMT Juliet Pendray wrote: >Ahhh...nostalgia for the days of breaking in our two panel leather >hackysacks! Back then, those were the prime kicking objects, and as Mmmmm... Mink oil, lots of hand based stretching, more mink oil, lots of kicking, more mink oil... How intimate we all became with our Hacks. Yes, they were! Actually, way back when the Hacky Sack boom started going bust, Hacky Sacks weren't that horrible a product. Flying clippers and neck catches were the hein moves, lots of moving around for the bag was cool, and delays were just being invented. >me!:-)... my frustration is about the younger kids with the impossible to >kick bags. Their coordination skills are still pretty new, so the last >thing they need is bad bags as an introduction. That's why we all need to be as visible as possible in accessible public places when we kick. Every last one of those 'kids' who tried it once with a terrible bag will instantly want to see yours. Everyone understands that you get what you pay for, and as soon as they can get a decent bag, they will try it again. After every rally, check for big eyes - and say something to break the ice! If they are the least bit interested, you will have won back a footbag customer. Derrick Fogle From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 30 03:29:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA23354 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:29:46 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA23350 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:29:44 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (23347) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA23345 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:29:44 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26737 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:29:59 -0700 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XtY08875; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:28:18 EDT To: aloe@vcn.bc.ca Cc: footbag@footbag.org Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:24:04 -0400 Subject: [footbag] Re: 32 panels everywhere Message-ID: <19970429.232438.16782.4.dervish@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-10,12,15,26,28-29 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >Although it's been pointed out that anyone with the kicking desire *will* >kick anything (though, Josh, the ducttape twinkie idea is pretty new to >me!:-) I know, like, where does he come up with this stuff?!?! >... my frustration is about the younger kids with the impossible >to kick bags. Their coordination skills are still pretty new, so the >last thing they need is bad bags as an introduction. kids at that age aren't going to use the game for more than social lubricant anyway. Chances are, the ones that get severely interested won't become so from owning a good bag, they will see the sport at its utmost, or hear about it second or third hand. When I was little my father bought me a four dollar yo-yo, but since I never saw what could be done with one, it became a weapon with which I repeatedly attempted to disfigure my sister, a paperweight, and eventually it was thrown away. But one year when I was in summer camp we had some guys come in and do a frisbee demo. I was instantly hooked and made it my business to get ahold of little frisbees, big frisbees, heavy, light, clear and opaque. But I never cared about frisbee before. I knew how to throw one, but it wasn't very interesting to me until I had seen that incredible application. I never got that good at frisbee, but I spent at least $50 on the damn things. I still love to play, if only to remind myself of that youthful exuberance. And shout out to Chad Nichols, right on, daddy-o. I'm right there wit-cha. -JP From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 30 04:31:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA23623 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:31:52 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA23619 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:31:50 GMT Received: from hussey@stolaf.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (23616) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA23614 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:31:50 GMT Received: from nic.stolaf.edu (nic.stolaf.edu [130.71.128.8]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA27043 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:32:05 -0700 Received: from inga2.acc.stolaf.edu (inga2.acc.stolaf.edu [130.71.208.25]) by nic.stolaf.edu (SMI-8.6/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA23160; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:32:02 -0500 Received: (hussey@localhost) by inga2.acc.stolaf.edu (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA24748; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:31:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:31:50 -0500 (CDT) From: epxert X-Sender: hussey@inga2.acc.stolaf.edu To: Josh Penney cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: 32 panels everywhere In-Reply-To: <19970429.232438.16782.4.dervish@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I never saw the sport at it's utmost, nor did I hear about it second hand. I never saw what could really be done untill long after I got into it, which the best bags I had at the time were small beaded crocheted types, where anything better (which I was aware of), panel facile, being about $30+ at the local kite/boomerang/frisbee/juggling/footbag store. and at the time, we were all struggling to make the bag the best it could be, always envious of those with "ideal" bags= perfectly worked in with just the right amount of lost beads. While most, or at least a lot, of kids do it for the social aspect, it still must be sustained by those who do it because they are good (relatively) and therefore like it. anyway, Ive lost what I was arguing, if anything, oh well -more two cents, Mike ______________________________________ Mike Hussey hussey@stolaf.edu From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 30 17:19:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA26087 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:18:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA26083 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:18:34 GMT Received: from rvbpaco@wam.umd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (26080) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA26078 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:18:34 GMT Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.137]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA32163 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:19:24 -0700 Received: from rac2.wam.umd.edu (rvbpaco@rac2.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.102]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.8.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11832; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:19:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Procrastinator the VIIIth Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac2.wam.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06619; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704301719.NAA06619@rac2.wam.umd.edu> To: aloe@vcn.bc.ca, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Re:32 panels everywhere Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org oh yeah. the two panel days. the best one i had i broke in during a tunderstorm. raining as hard as i've seen, i'm on my street getting in my practice. neither rain nor sleet nor snow. the bag was okay before the rain- i was trying to hit fifty consecs before i sto pped, and i was coming close enough to keep going in the rain. getting frustrated i eventually booted the bag as high as i could. when it hit the street it didnt bounce. after that it was awesome. learned all the basic stalls with it, and it served the circle at school for about six months, before ti got retired, lost or broken i can't remember. then we switched to sipas. they were easy. just leave them in your pocket in the laundry. l8r- vince From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 30 18:16:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA26469 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:16:32 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA26465 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:16:31 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (26462) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA26460 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:16:31 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01012 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:17:21 -0700 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17131; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:17:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: RE: [footbag] Re:32 panels everywhere To: footbag@footbag.org cc: aloe@vcn.bc.ca In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Regarding kids buying expensive bags: Well, I wasn't suggesting that they'd want to fork over $20 for a bag, just to have something kickable. Sipas are great! They are reliable, inexpensive, kickable, easy to remove beads from & sew back up, and when they get too old, you set fire to them and have more fun! And there are other footbags in the under $10 range... If there was a greater distribution of simpler, cheaper bags, clearly sold as beginners/children's bags, then those that remained interested as they got older or better at it could pay for the full-on groovy bags. Hopefully by footbag-makers that sew their own, and therefore would benefit later by sales to the already addicted. :-) Just a thought joooliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 30 18:26:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA26573 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:26:05 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA26569 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:26:05 GMT Received: from rvbpaco@wam.umd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (26566) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA26564 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:26:04 GMT Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.137]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01077 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:26:55 -0700 Received: from rac2.wam.umd.edu (rvbpaco@rac2.wam.umd.edu [128.8.70.102]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.8.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17162 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:26:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Procrastinator the VIIIth Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac2.wam.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15662 for footbag@footbag.org; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704301826.OAA15662@rac2.wam.umd.edu> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] East Coast Championships Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Well, what can i say, it was awesome, i'll do it again, even soon, if people want me to. $1800 awarded to pros- approx $600 merchandise awarded to intermediate and novice players. in all i know 56 registered on time, a few registered later. net brackets had 24 open, 12 intermediate and 9 novice players. freestyle had 16 intermediate and novice combined, 9 open. i was busy directing, so i only really know the stats- all players who participated- what happened that was zowy? who hit what where and how many times? in any case, here's how it all ended up: Open Freestyle: 1. Eric Wulff, NJ 2. Scott Davidson, IL 3. Toby Robinson, CA - watch out for this guy- smooth 4. Tu 'Huge' Vu, VA 5. Adrian Verhoef, Vancouver BC - fifth at his first open competition?! 6. Stuart Roll, VA or VT depending on when you ask, also his debut in pro come to think of it, this may have been Toby's pro debut also, as well as 7. Dave Hillis and 8. Valeria Davidson let's hear it for the new pros. Open Singles Footbag (net): 1. Emmanuel Bouchard 2. Alexis Deschenes 3. Steve Smith 4. PT Lovern <- check that out! watch out for the green hairs, chaos is on the rise Open Doubles Footbag (net) 1. Emmanuel Bouchard and Scott Milne, from what i hear nearly flawless play 2. Yves Archambault and Alexis Deschenes 3. Martin Cote and Mario Vaillancourt 4. Steve Smith and PT Lovern 5. tie Russ Thomas and Scott Durfee, Vince Bradley and Chris Sebert Open Golf This year, i divided the golf into separate rounds per day, with separate winners. day one day two 1. Steve Smith 1. Steve Smith 2. Rob McCloskey 2. Scott Durfee 3. Matt Sausemann 3. Matt Dwyer Each Singles event was awarded $390 for top three players. Additional money was added in the end to give prizes to fourth places, since the prize purse grew with late entrance fees. $620 was awarded to doubles net. first place in singles net and singles freestyle was $230. first place in doubles net was $280 total. first place per day in golf was $100. there were not enough teams for team freestyle, and not enough women for a womens event in either freestyle or net. moving on to intermediate Singles Freestyle 1. Vijay of UPENN footbag club. smooth pro styler 2. Dan Kramer, NY wha' happened to him? practice paid well-great performance 3. Craig Singer, St Marys MD rakey smooth style 4. Jim McCoppin, VA always awesome Singles Net 1. Toxic Tom B. , NJ also performed well in pro doubles as substitute player ironman playing three brackets at once 2. Anthony Intemann, NJ fast rising strong player, last year first place novice 3. Jamie Lepley, PA always a finalist, soon to be pro? Doubles Net 1. Jamie Lepley and Garth Smith ( do i hear "go pro"?...) 2. Ann Lasken and Matt Quint, DC All Stars 3. Jim Hankin and Toxic Tom B. Golf- intermiediate level of play was determined as best for 18 hole course. 1. Jamie Lepley - beating all players first day with scroe fo 29 for the course 2. Garth Smith, PA 3. Toxic Tom B., NJ Novice Category Singles Net 1. John Mortensen, MD 2. Josh Penney, NY <- check that out- josh sans lavers 3. Lonn Vo, MD Doubles Net 1. John Mortensen and Lonn Vo 2. Sunil Jani and Vijay, UPENN freestylers catchin air 3. Stuart Roll and Chris H. special thanks to the sponsors; Past Time Sports, Hacky Sack, Sipa Sipa,Flying Clipper Footbags, Kick in the GRass Inc, Rainbow Imports, The Juggling Capitol, Funtastiks Alternative Sports and fun Shops, 3Stripe Adidas Outlet, Alario's Pizza and Italian Foods Restaurant, the Bagel Place, and Taco Fiesta Mexican Foods. special thanks to the staff: Jeff Bowling- organizational skills save the days- nothing ran late also did the banners, the nets, the lines, the transportation - much thanks again Jason Langis- master freestyle director-"I want to play net- hurry up", motivation man Chris Sebert- the best deal in the best shirts Matt Quint- media and promotions- and hella spikes for the photo shoot also Ann Lasken ( voice of awards ceremonies, net staff), Tu Vu (promotions, motivations, communications), Kevin Kennington, artwork and Josh Passe additional artworks. most thanks of all- to all the players who made the tourney, making it as successful as it was. take care all, hope to see everyone next year, and this month at Western Regionals- l8r- Vince ps- any locals who missed out- Check out the City Paper this Thursday for Dave McKenna's article in the Sports Section. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 30 19:23:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA26964 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:23:08 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA26960 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:23:07 GMT Received: from dadeleos@uniserve.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (26957) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA26955 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:23:06 GMT Received: from mercury.uniserve.com (mercury.uniserve.com [204.191.197.248]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01407 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:23:58 -0700 Received: from sydney (dadeleos.static.tvs.net [204.244.158.4]) by mercury.uniserve.com with SMTP id MAA07923 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970430122651.007c6450@pop.uniserve.com> X-Sender: dadeleos@pop.uniserve.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:26:54 -0700 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Jason & Angela Subject: RE: [footbag] Re:32 panels everywhere Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 11:17 AM 4/30/97 -0700, Juliet Pendray wrote: > >Regarding kids buying expensive bags: > >Well, I wasn't suggesting that they'd want to fork over $20 for a bag, >just to have something kickable. >Sipas are great! They are reliable, inexpensive, kickable, easy to >remove beads from & sew back up, and when they get too old, you set fire >to them and have more fun! It isn't just kids... when I first kicked a bag it was an 8 panel facile... so I got addicted instantly... told a friend who bought me a baseball sized guatemalan bag as a gift. So here I am looking at this thing and I don't even know what to do with it... he says "throw it against a wall 100 times" So I did... that bag lasted me for about 6 months of kicking anywhere I could get a circle going... I eventually gave it away to a freestyler friend cause it was so flat he loved to stall it... The point is, I didn't find out until later that that first bag was a "good" bag. It was just something they told me to kick so I did... Anyways... I agree with Juliet... sipas are awesome to start with, and once you start to kick, you see it EVERYWHERE... cause now you're looking for it. Once I got into it I couldn't believe all the kicking that was going on around me... I just hadn't seen it before. So, regarding "finding the pros and the good bags" ... once your eyes are open it isn't hard to find... regarding the crappy 1.69 bags.. that sucks... but I would have kicked a sock with a rock in it once I got started... if the kid is interested enough to spend the 1.69, then that kid is also interested enough to *see* circles and join them and talk to people that know better.... Just my $0.02 Angela B. p.s. Hi again all, I missed this list while I was off it :) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 30 19:51:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA27123 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:51:26 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA27119 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:51:25 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (27116) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA27114 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:51:25 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01617 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:52:16 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970430122651.007c6450@pop.uniserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:53:41 -0700 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 12:26 PM -0700 4/30/97, Jason & Angela wrote: >regarding the crappy 1.69 bags.. that >sucks... but I would have kicked a sock with a rock in it once I got >started... if the kid is interested enough to spend the 1.69, then that kid >is also interested enough to *see* circles and join them and talk to people >that know better.... Heh heh. Have any of you who are even halfway defending the $1.69 bags even *seen* them (besides Josh)? They are NOT footbags -- trust me! They were on the market long before footbags were -- they are just silly little balls. They are IMPOSSIBLE to kick. They are not made for kicking. It's only recently that people have been "repurposing" these vinyl balls for the "footbag" market. All that means is labelling them as "footbags" instead of "krazy balls". They just happen to be put together in a pattern that's similar to a footbag. But nobody calls a baseball a footbag because of its two-panel design. Nor a soccer-ball because of its 32-panel design! Imagine if someone took a rubber ball that just happened to be the size of a footbag and slapped the label "footbag" on it and put it in the stores. Would it really be one? I don't THINK so. :-) Well that's what these nutcases are doing. Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 30 20:32:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA27420 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:32:45 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA27416 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:32:44 GMT Received: from kenned57@pilot.msu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (27413) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA27411 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:32:44 GMT Received: from pilot13.cl.msu.edu (pilot13.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02072 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:33:36 -0700 Received: (kenned57@localhost) by pilot13.cl.msu.edu (8.7.5/MSU-2.10) id QAA135545; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:33:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199704302033.QAA135545@pilot13.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:33:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cameron Dean Kennedy" In-Reply-To: from "Steve Goldberg" at Apr 30, 97 12:53:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > Heh heh. Have any of you who are even halfway defending the $1.69 bags > even *seen* them (besides Josh)? I have seen similar objects, and they are not footbags in any sense of the word. I would agree that these are not the sort of promotion the sport needs, a much better thing would be to have 8$ magic sacks hanging by the register to attract kids, and other new player at stores. What i was wondering about though, was if these bags are machine made( i highly doubt it) or if some poor person,prisoners perhaps, has to sew these things for nickels a day. I would imagine that most of that 1.69 bag is due to shipping and handling, as well as packaging and markup by the store. If they are handmade somewhere by exploited labor, why wouldn't they just make a 1.89 bag and use some decent material(chamois, nonfibrous polyurethane, etc) to boost their sales, while marketing a useable product?. I guess it is possible also that someone had a wherehouse of these crazy-balls around and decided to remarket them as footbags based just on thier appearance. Does anyone really think that someone would buy a 1.69 bag and believe that just because it had 32 panels they were buying a real footbag? > > At 12:26 PM -0700 4/30/97, Jason & Angela wrote: > >regarding the crappy 1.69 bags.. that > >sucks... but I would have kicked a sock with a rock in it once I got > >started... if the kid is interested enough to spend the 1.69, then that kid > >is also interested enough to *see* circles and join them and talk to people > >that know better.... > Any kid who has tried to kick with a 1.69 bag is not going to enjoy himself for more than three kicks in a row, and will have little interest in finding and joining circles. More than likely these bags will make them believe that footbag is well beyond thier ability, and if they find a circle, they will think those people have much more skill than them, and not even consider the equipment . Footbag is a great sport, but it tends to favor slightly older people than most sports because of the coordination invloved. Young kids generally don't have the level of coordination footbag requires, and by the time most people develope this level of coordination they realize that one gets what they pay for. The greatest teacher in footbag is success, and the quickest way to success doesn't have a 1.69 bag on the path. These objects actually would discourage people who have tried them to invest anymore into the sport. cameron From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 30 22:41:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA28036 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:41:33 GMT Message-Id: <199704302241.WAA28036@eniac.yak.net.taz> Subject: Re: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:50:31 -0600 Organization: MLERF Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Status: Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Wed, Apr 30, 1997, 7:53:41 PM GMT Steve Goldberg wrote: >Heh heh. Have any of you who are even halfway defending the $1.69 bags >even *seen* them (besides Josh)? > >They are NOT footbags -- trust me! They were on the market long before The ones I've seen in toy stores don't exactly fit Josh's description but are similar. Even though they are horrid, they do fit the definition of footbag (well I haven't weighed one) as stated in the IFAB rulebook. Using them for net had crossed my mind, too, but I wasn't willing to buy one to find out how many net-court kicks it would tolerate before exploding. I think I could have popped it with a good finger squeeze. I kicked around a rock for 2 weeks before I could afford to buy my own Hacky Sack. I also bought cheap and/or old and/or difficult to use things like bicycles, cars, tools, swimming gear, climbing gear, and appliances the first time I bought because I didn't want to spend a great deal of money on them just to try them. If I ended up liking it, despite the lousy difficult to use items, I saw value in and purchased higher quality, more expensive stuff (OK, I've never bought a car that's not a clunker :). I just can't bring myself to imagine that these things will adversely affect the sport of footbag. Derrick From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 30 22:44:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA28086 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:44:54 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA28082 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:44:53 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (28079) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA28077 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:44:53 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02925 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:45:45 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:47:11 -0700 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] 32 panels everywhere Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Derrick Fogle wrote: >The ones I've seen in toy stores don't exactly fit Josh's description >but are similar. Even though they are horrid, they do fit the definition > of footbag (well I haven't weighed one) as stated in the IFAB rulebook. Au contraire! They *do not* fit the IFAB definition -- forgetting about weight (which is probably another issue). They are not stuffed with "loose filling" which is the IFAB definition; they are stuffed with fiberglass or some other dense packing material. (And I repeat, they are not "bags", they are "balls".) >Using them for net had crossed my mind, too, but I wasn't willing to buy > one to find out how many net-court kicks it would tolerate before >exploding. I think I could have popped it with a good finger squeeze. Another point as to why they shouldn't be sold as "footbags". >I kicked around a rock for 2 weeks before I could afford to buy my own >Hacky Sack. Yeah, and look what happened to you. :-) Heh heh. >I also bought cheap and/or old and/or difficult to use >things like bicycles, cars, tools, swimming gear, climbing gear, and >appliances the first time I bought because I didn't want to spend a >great deal of money on them just to try them. Because there weren't cheap footbags available when you started out. Now you can get an EXCELLENT bag for $6-$8. That *IS* cheap. But $1.69 creates a false economy -- bags so cheap that aren't really bags can't qualify as cheap; they aren't what they claim to be. When you buy a cheap bicycle, at least it still rolls. At least it still has wheels, tires, brakes, handle bars. These $1.69 pieces of holy crap are just wadded machine-fused balls of rubber/vinyl with fake indentations for the "seams" between "panels"... >I just can't bring myself to imagine that these things will adversely >affect the sport of footbag. Fine. Just mark my words. Steve