From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 3 23:30:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03667 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:28:41 GMT Received: from anaesthetized@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3603) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03601 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:24:55 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F14.hotmail.com [207.82.250.25]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04948 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:24:55 -0800 Received: (qmail 6758 invoked by uid 0); 3 Nov 1997 23:24:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19971103232454.6757.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.183.204.186 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:24:54 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.183.204.186] From: Josh Penney To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Not again! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:24:54 PST Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi, everyone.. Josh Penney Here. Due to human error, vague irresponsibility and administrative mumbo-jumbo, I had to change my address YET AGAIN.. No, I'm not happy about this, and I apologise. Please make note of the change, my new address is : anaesthetized@hotmail.com You wouldn't believe how many words I had to go to to find one that wasn't taken... somebody actually had the address "shut_up_josh@hotmail..." -- Can you believe it?!? Anyway, if someone has sent me something since last saturday that didn't go through the list then please send it my way. Thanks again, JP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 4 02:26:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA04785 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:26:25 GMT Received: from brent.welch@eng.sun.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4619) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA04617 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:58:37 GMT Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07323 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:58:41 -0800 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.25]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id RAA08519 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:58:44 -0800 Received: from sage.Eng.Sun.COM (sage.Eng.Sun.COM [152.70.4.131]) by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) with SMTP id RAA07419 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:53:36 -0800 Received: from sage by sage.Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA18047; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:53:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199711040153.RAA18047@sage.Eng.Sun.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] No silver bullet (rule change) X-URL: http://www.beedub.com/ X-Face: "HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=>r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\W:AK\j?@?c1o Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org When I first learned the net game (1982) there was a different court size for singles and doubles, much as Hung suggests. My memory is cloudy, and this was before a decent rulebook, so I can't remember when this was in effect. This was before the change from 5-kicks doubles 3-kicks singles to the present rules. I suspect if you query old(er) timers they will say it was too much hassle. I like Hung's boldness with ideas, but I'm also surprised at this particular one. He is lucky enough to have a weekly singles-only kick that regularly had 7 to 10 players and 4 or 5 net courts, all devoted to singles play. It seems to me that this sort of support for singles is the real way to improve the game, not by changing the rules. I'm also not convinced that a narrower court will automatically make for longer ralleys (maybe) and more spikes (don't see the connection at all). So, I don't think there is a silver bullet that will make Singles Net easier, have longer ralleys and more spikes. I do think that with regular practice you can get arbitrarily good. I'd like to think my game is still getting better after 17 years. (Man, I had two great blocks this Sunday...) -- Brent "old fart" Welch From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 4 20:16:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02322 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:14:30 GMT Received: from hungchang_at_bldg2@ca.slr.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2221) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02219 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:05:47 GMT From: HungChang_at_BLDG2@ca.slr.com Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20043 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:05:49 -0800 Received: from dns.slr.com by relay1.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id PAA18947; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ca.slr.com ([158.116.9.16]) by dns.slr.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08756; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:07:00 -0800 Received: from ccMail by ca.slr.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA878673884; Tue, 04 Nov 97 11:35:55 PST Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 11:35:55 PST Message-Id: <9710048786.AA878673884@ca.slr.com> To: "Brent B. Welch" Cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] No silver bullet (rule change) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Brent wrote: >I'm also not convinced >that a narrower court will automatically make for longer ralleys (maybe) >and more spikes (don't see the connection at all). Brent, sounds like you want to test out the narrow court with me. :-) Hung From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 5 16:13:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00759 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:12:03 GMT Received: from jcobbjim@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (6889) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA06887 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:44:17 GMT From: JCobbjim@aol.com Received: from mb09.mail.aol.com (mb09.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.58]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29825 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:44:25 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by mb09.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-2.0.0) id EAA08170 for footbag@footbag.org; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 04:44:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 04:44:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971105004543_-2043536325@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Seattle Tourney Nov. 8,9; Final Update Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello friends. Please excuse this note's tardiness. We are pleased to be seeing you at the Magnolia Community Center at 9 a.m. Saturday. Please be prepared for cool playing conditions.We may be without heat on one or both days.Some fun confirmations promise a good time for all.Directions are general, then specific, please print now if you don't have a map. >From Northbound I5: Take any downtown exit; go west,toward the water;take a right turn on any northbound Ave.(Western,1st,3rd,4th,6th,); turn left on Denny Wy.This turns into Elliott Ave;Take the exit on the right for the Magnolia Bridge...If you find yourself on 15th Ave. W. you have passed the bridge.Continue to "from the bridge". >From Southbound I5 Take the Northgate exit;Go west; N. Northgate Wy becomes N.105th;N.105th becomes Holman Rd. when it crosses Greenwood Ave N.;Holman Rd. becomes 15th Ave.N.W........Or take the85th or 45th Street exits and head west to 15th N.W....Southbound 15th N.W. crosses the Ballard Bridge and becomes 15th Ave W.;Take a right onto the Magnolia Bridge at abouth the 1600 block. >From the Bridge follow the arterial;It will wind its way into 32nd Ave. W.;Take a left on Smith and a right on 34th W. turn into the Magnolia Community Center at 2550 34th W. For billetting or any other info feel free to contact me at 206-767-9129. Stretching...Jim From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 7 06:06:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA07507 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:06:27 GMT Received: from neilbp@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (7083) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA07081 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 04:52:48 GMT Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA30815 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:52:54 -0800 Received: (from neilbp@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id X`C06059; Thu, 06 Nov 1997 23:51:32 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] hello again Message-ID: <19971106.234957.8215.4.neilbp@juno.com> References: <199711062350.XAA05410@eniac.yak.net.taz> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,4,9-12,14 From: neilbp@juno.com (Neil B Payne) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 23:51:32 EST Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Fellow Kickers, Just a quick note to say hello (re-introduce myself) now that I am back on line with e-mail. I have been having a great time kicking since going to Funtastik which was a blast. ~Seeing friends, meeting new ones =) and of course playing more footbag than my legs can handle. Vince has been keeping me motivated and I am definitely excited about kicking some steefryle in NYC this weekend. Anyone who thinks they can make it, please speak up. Josh, of the BMP, would be a good person to contact if you are interested. Hopefully some Philly stylers will be there as well. Take care, Neil Payne Washington DC formerly of the St. Mary's College Dragonflies in Maryland, but I graduated, for better or worse. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Nov 8 18:49:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01202 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:48:56 GMT Received: from gimmiezo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (7775) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA07773 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:39:12 GMT From: GimmieZo@aol.com Received: from mrin45.mail.aol.com (mrin45.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.155]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17117 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:39:18 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin45.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id BAA13701 for footbag@footbag.org; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:39:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:39:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971108013916_1861734018@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] IRC Channel Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey does anyone know if there is a good footbag IRC channel and if there is can you please give me the server adress as well. Thanks Joey From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 10 20:48:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02947 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:47:31 GMT Received: from scott@creativeathletics.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2428) Received: from gridsat.thegrid.net (root@gridsat.thegrid.net [209.60.100.4]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02426 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:54:16 GMT Received: from PC_cleerecr8v.thegrid.net (s23-225-188.thegrid.net [209.60.225.188]) by gridsat.thegrid.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27256 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:54:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199711082350.XAA03030@eniac.yak.net.taz> References: Conversation <199711082350.XAA03030@eniac.yak.net.taz> with last message <199711082350.XAA03030@eniac.yak.net.taz> Priority: Normal To: footbag@majordomo.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: SCOTT CLEERE Subject: [footbag] Re: Coach Hung Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 14:14:24 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey list: I just wanted to thank Hung for generating some lively discussion for all of us! Every once in awhile we need a good coach to "Pump us Up". Thanks coach, Scott From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 10 23:17:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA04272 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:17:10 GMT Received: from hungchang_at_bldg2@ca.slr.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3870) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03868 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:30:08 GMT From: HungChang_at_BLDG2@ca.slr.com Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19734; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:29:58 -0800 Received: from dns.slr.com by relay1.smtp.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id RAA25615; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ca.slr.com ([158.116.9.16]) by dns.slr.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14401; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:30:51 -0800 Received: from ccMail by ca.slr.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA879200801; Mon, 10 Nov 97 14:16:12 PST Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 14:16:12 PST Message-Id: <9710108792.AA879200801@ca.slr.com> To: SCOTT CLEERE Cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: Coach Hung Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Thanks Scott. Also thumbs up to everybody that replied to my post, any discussion is better than no discussion any day. Hung From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 12 06:59:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA08106 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:59:20 GMT Received: from eric@netcomi.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (7856) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA07854 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:28:56 GMT Received: from stick.netcomi.com (fit.netcomi.com [204.58.155.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15139 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:29:02 -0800 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by stick.netcomi.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA27658 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:28:46 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: stick.netcomi.com: eric owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:28:46 -0600 (CST) From: Eric Burgess To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Auburn U.F.O. Fall Festival In-Reply-To: <199711100742.CAA15078@mime2.prodigy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org This was a KILLER tournament! Casey and I drove about 1400 miles round trip, and it was worth every mile. I had a great time and want to congratulate tournament director Jeremy Keller on a GREAT job! Plus, I need to warn everyone about a sick kid named Chris Brown. He is hitting 6-7 alternating osis's, in addition to stringing consecutive torques...and he's 14 years old! I feel old... Eric Burgess From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 13 03:59:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA07405 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:58:35 GMT Received: from fdtd81d@prodigy.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (7182) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA07180 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:22:40 GMT Received: from pimaia4w.prodigy.com (pimaia4w.prodigy.com [198.83.18.139]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02017 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:22:45 -0800 Received: from mime4.prodigy.com (mime4.prodigy.com [192.168.254.43]) by pimaia4w.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA36176 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:22:43 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime4.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id WAA14406 for footbag@footbag.org; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:15:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199711130315.WAA14406@mime4.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: FDTD81D@prodigy.com (Jeremy Keller) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:15:48, -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] sprains Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I recently twisted my ankle for the third time in four months, not to badly this time though. This time I was trying blurry drifter (Damn you Eric), last time it was pogo pdx mirage at wash park just as I was healing from the first (I didn't play net too well that weekend), and the first time was playing net at midwest. It is just a sprain and I think I'll be kickin'again soon, but does anyone have any tips on recovery or preventive measures, such as time off or workout drills or anything that from your experience helps. Thanks, Jeremy From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 13 17:40:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01298 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:39:08 GMT Received: from rvbpaco@wam.umd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (567) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00565 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:54:21 GMT Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08794 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:54:20 -0800 Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (rvbpaco@rac5.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.145]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.8.8.Beta2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA11639; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:54:18 -0500 (EST) From: Procrastinator the VIIIth Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA17116; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:54:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:54:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711131554.KAA17116@rac5.wam.umd.edu> To: FDTD81D@prodigy.com, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] sprains Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org try the disconinja thing- wear a brace when you kick. it'll kill your ankle crank until your ankle gets real strong. but it will protect it from serious injury should anything go wrong. also drill outside stalls. no they don't fit into guiltless combos too easily if at all, but all this inside cranking has to be offsetting the ligament strength balances on the sides of your feet. the tendency to twist the ankle the way most freestylers do probably came about with the overdevelopment of the interior muscular system and the weakening of the exterior. hope that helps- vince From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 13 21:26:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03212 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:26:05 GMT Received: from sheesh@oaktech.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2766) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02764 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:33:10 GMT Received: from swede.oaktech.com (swede.oaktech.com [206.159.193.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA13176 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:33:12 -0800 Received: from sunfire.oti1 (sunfire.oaktech.com) by swede.oaktech.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27430; Thu, 13 Nov 97 11:55:44 PST Received: by sunfire.oti1 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA13250; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:55:42 -0800 From: sheesh@oaktech.com (Scott Heeschen) Message-Id: <199711131955.LAA13250@sunfire.oti1> Subject: Re: [footbag] sprains To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:55:41 -0800 (PST) Cc: sheesh@oaktech.com In-Reply-To: <199711130315.WAA14406@mime4.prodigy.com> from "Jeremy Keller" at Nov 12, 97 10:15:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > It is just a sprain > and I think I'll be kickin'again soon, but does anyone have any tips > on recovery or preventive measures, such as time off or workout > drills or anything that from your experience helps. I went through a series of tweaked ankles a few years ago (it seems that once you've twisted it, it's more vulnerable). My chiropractor recommended some exercises where, while seeated or standing, I would roll one or both of my feet around on the floor. For example, starting with only the heel touching the floor, roll the ankle so that only the inside part of the foot is touching the floor, then the toes, then the outside of the foot, and back to the heel. Try to make it smooth/ circular, and change directions every few rotations. Gradually put more pressure on the foot, eventually building (over weeks or months) towards standing on one foot that you're moving around. The theory is that when you twist or sprain your ankle, you've stretched the tendons/ligaments/whatever's holding it in place, and now your muscle memory is out of adjustment. This kind of exercise "recalibrates" your ankle so that your reflexes will work better. You can call it mumbo-jumbo or whatever, but it seemed to help me. I would just do it while sitting at my computer at work, or while standing in line for a movie, or wherever. It's not very strenuous, but it would warm my ankles up, so sometimes I'd put a bag of frozen peas on it afterwards to keep swelling down. I also took it a little easy for a few weeks, and would stop or slow down if my ankle started feeling tired with whatever I was doing. A caveat - I'm not a doctor, and I don't even play one on the internet. This is just stuff that worked for me... Scott From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 13 22:04:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03842 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:04:16 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3651) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA03649 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:58:04 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [12.10.112.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA14491 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:58:06 -0800 Received: from www.mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [12.10.114.3]) by trib1.trib.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id qa108696 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:06:58 -0600 Subject: Re: [footbag] sprains Message-Id: <000000465342962303329@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:02:09 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Thu, Nov 13, 1997, 1:55:41 PM US CST Scott Heeschen wrote: > The theory is that when you twist or sprain your ankle, you've stretched >the tendons/ligaments/whatever's holding it in place, and now your >muscle memory is out of adjustment. Its called "proprioception" and its true. Your body senses where the limbs are from nerves around the tendons in joints. They feed movement and location information to your brain. When you sprain or twist an ankle, you knock that feedback mechanism out of whack. When I tweaked my ankle, I didn't sever any tendons, but I did completely destroy all the connective ligaments and tissue around the joint and all those little bones in the upper foot. The tendons were torn completely free of any surrounding tissue including nerve bundles that give you that proprioception. I've had to completely re-learn my balance on that foot. I was unable to kick for 3 months; even more than 6 months after the injury, I still have problems from scar tissue built up in the area that limits flexibility, and am only now really getting strength and balance back to near pre-injury levels. Anyway, I was given the same exercise by therapists. One thing they suggested I do was to make the alphabet with my toe - causing all sorts of up, down, sideways, and rotational motion. >ankles up, so sometimes I'd put a bag of frozen peas on it afterwards Gosh, I feel so ordinary and unworthy now when I use plain old ice. I suppose the bag of peas gives that extra measure of humor - an important aspect of successful recovery in itself! -- Derrick Fogle -- Heartland Eye Banks -- dfogle@mlerf.org -- From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 14 01:13:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA05489 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:13:05 GMT Received: from gimmiezo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4410) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA04408 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:58:11 GMT From: GimmieZo@aol.com Received: from mrin43.mail.aol.com (mrin43.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.153]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15424 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:58:12 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin43.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA04553; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:58:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:58:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971113175810_-2096839652@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: FDTD81D@prodigy.com, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] sprains Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org In a message dated 97-11-13 06:38:00 EST, FDTD81D@prodigy.com writes: << I recently twisted my ankle for the third time in four months, not to badly this time though. This time I was trying blurry drifter (Damn you Eric), last time it was pogo pdx mirage at wash park just as I was healing from the first (I didn't play net too well that weekend), and the first time was playing net at midwest. It is just a sprain and I think I'll be kickin'again soon, but does anyone have any tips on recovery or preventive measures, such as time off or workout drills or anything that from your experience helps. >> Last year i sprained my ankle during my training for the footlocker cross country championships. I was running across a street and i slipped on some ice when i stepped up on the curb. My coaches would tape up my ankles before every workout but i understand you're freestyle will be hurtin if you do that. If you are only playing net then maybe its a little more reasonable. You should ice the ankle for about 15 minutes at a time, probably 2 or 3 times a day. The ice allows the blood to rise to the surface and clean up the damaged muscle. This is probably the most effective thing you can do to help the healing. Also, try stretching out your ankles before you kick, but not too hard... heheh. Dont wear to tight of shoes when your trying to heal because it will push down the swelling and that is really bad. The swelling in a sprain is actually a good thing because the blood is concentrating in the wounded area. Swelling in fractures and other stuff is where it is bad but i'm pretty sure that with sprains its just a healing measure and not a cut-off of circulation. Last of all, QUIT DOING BLURRY DRIFTERS AND CRANY STUFF LIKE THAT!!!!! Hheheh. good luck. Joey From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 14 17:42:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01140 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:40:26 GMT Received: from scott@creativeathletics.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (992) Received: from gridsat.thegrid.net (root@gridsat.thegrid.net [209.60.100.4]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00990 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:08:51 GMT Received: from PC_cleerecr8v.thegrid.net (s43-230-162.thegrid.net [209.60.230.162]) by gridsat.thegrid.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00726 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:08:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199711132350.XAA04900@eniac.yak.net.taz> References: Conversation <199711132350.XAA04900@eniac.yak.net.taz> with last message <199711132350.XAA04900@eniac.yak.net.taz> Priority: Normal To: footbag@majordomo.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: SCOTT CLEERE Subject: [footbag] Re: SPRAIN Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 11:29:16 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org RICE Rest Ice Compression Elevation Scott From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 19 01:01:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA05210 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:00:39 GMT Received: from mongooze@rogers.wave.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2952) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02950 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:05:06 GMT Received: from mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca (mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca [24.113.32.4]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27589 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:05:08 -0800 Received: from guitar97.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.51.39]) by mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <340496-3653>; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:05:06 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Andy Ronald" To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:05:01 -800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [footbag] Jooliet Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <97Nov18.160506-0500_est.340496-3653+2476@mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello this is a message to any and all who wish to or have been trying to talk to Juliet Pendray. Her modem recently broke and she is without access to her mail. This situation will continue indefinitely. In the meantime rest assured that she is not being rude or snubbing anyone in particular. Urgent messages can be relayed thru me, or you can just wait as I am sure she will make it obvious when she returns online. repeat JULIET IS TEMPORARILY OFF-LINE ! From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 26 03:19:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA05729 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 03:18:33 GMT Received: from aloe@intouch.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5393) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA05391 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 03:00:35 GMT Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (srv1.reelwest.bc.ca [207.194.197.99]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04679 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:00:40 -0800 Received: from 207.194.197.139 (unverified [207.194.197.139]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:59:34 -0800 Message-ID: <347CE1EA.64B3@intouch.bc.ca> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:58:53 -0800 From: "J. Pendray" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] IRC footbag channel? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey all! I noticed that someone wrote in looking for that IRC footbag channel thingy. I'd like to know the answer to that too. I seem to remember that there have been a couple of them at least at some point. Hoping for a response Ever soooo sincerely, Joooliet back-on-line Pendray P.S. The Seattle tourney was heaps of kickass fun! Thank you folks, esp. Jim Cobb and Mike Grueter for putting it on! From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 26 18:05:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01438 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:04:06 GMT Received: from stuart.macferson.1@uni.massey.ac.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (7380) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA07378 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:39:24 GMT Received: from cc-server9.massey.ac.nz (cc-server9.massey.ac.nz [130.123.128.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA06119 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:39:26 -0800 Received: from stu (actually p14-max7.auck.ihug.co.nz) by cc-server9 with SMTP(PP); Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:37:47 +1300 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971126223539.006b7d28@uni.massey.ac.nz> X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:35:43 +1300 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Stuart Macferson Subject: Re: [footbag] IRC footbag channel? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 06:58 PM 26/11/97 -0800, Jooooliet wrote: >Hey all! > >I noticed that someone wrote in looking for that IRC footbag channel >thingy. I'd like to know the answer to that too. I seem to remember >that there have been a couple of them at least at some point. > since i have no job...im usually bumming around on undernet during the day (night, US time)....so if you care to join me in a bit a footbag chin wag, be my guest and visit #footbag Stu From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Nov 29 18:36:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA00827 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:35:13 GMT Received: from dbotkin@valinet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (577) Received: from mbs.valinet.com (mbs.valinet.com [206.98.218.24]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00575 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 17:11:56 GMT Received: from dbotkin.hampshire.edu (ppp39.valinet.com [206.98.218.68]) by mbs.valinet.com (8.8.2/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA17945 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:11:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711291711.MAA17945@mbs.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [footbag] mentors? coaches? Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:19:45 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey list, I think it was Andy R. who commented on the importance of active coaching and modeling for the next generation of kickers... A very cool middle school "Americore" volunteer attempting to set up a conflict resolution group in Reno wants to use footbag as a teaching medium with "at-risk" teens. I also have similar inquiries coming in from teachers in Tucson, Florida and other locales around the continent. The web is great, but there's nothing like the personal touch for inspiring and mentoring new blood. Any kickers out there interested in showing up, doing one short demo, kicking/coaching class and talk for rowdy 8th graders in Reno, possibly for no $? Contact me and I'll hook you up with opps in yr area or keep you on file. Peace! Colleagially, Dan Botkin, Footbag Peace Initiative ( http://www.valinet.com/~dbotkin/ )