From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 1 18:01:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01147 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:59:28 GMT Received: from jcobbjim@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1071) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01069 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:47:54 GMT Received: from imo05.mail.aol.com (imo05.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.107]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06271 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:47:54 -0800 From: Jim Cobb Message-ID: <389b58a5.3482f80b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:46:49 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Net in Boston? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello out there, I am a competent open net player from Seattle who will be in Boston(where I grew up) for three weeks beginning December 14th. I would like to know if there is a regular net game going on in the Boston-Providence-Hartford- Worcester(I'll actually be on Cape Cod) area.If so, perhaps I could join you for a kick? Thanks, Jim From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 2 16:48:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA01093 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:47:16 GMT Received: from johnpenaloza@rocketmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8139) Received: from web2.rocketmail.com (web2.rocketmail.com [205.180.57.68]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA08137 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 14:09:22 GMT Message-ID: <19971202141201.16641.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Received: from [200.2.12.115] by web2; Tue, 02 Dec 1997 06:12:01 PST Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 06:12:01 -0800 (PST) From: John Penaloza Subject: [footbag] Harvard footbaggers? To: footbag@majordomo.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi, I was wondering if there are any active footbag clubs at Harvard University and if it would be possible for me to join in to one of their regular meets around the first week of February. I'm the founder of the Venezuelan footbag club Fucheros Unidos del Ateneo, http://www.footbag.org/clublist/caracas and, happily, I'll be traveling to Boston in Feb. to take part in the Harvard National Model United Nations with my University's delegation. Since footbag expertise in my country is woefully below U.S. competitive levels, even though it's extremely popular as a sport, I was hoping to get some firsthand exposure to current levels of play in both net and freestyle and hopefully be able to bring back a little of this important cultural knowledge : ) If anybody can give me some info that might help, don't hesitate to email me. Thanx, John === johnpenaloza@rocketmail.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 2 16:48:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA01080 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 16:47:11 GMT Received: from sashka@cclib.nsu.ru () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6260) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA06258 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 06:34:36 GMT Received: from cclib.nsu.ru (cclib.nsu.ru [193.124.215.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17524 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:34:33 -0800 Received: from localhost (sashka@localhost) by cclib.nsu.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29679 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:34:25 +0600 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:34:25 +0600 (NOVT) From: "Alexander N. Shapovalov" X-Sender: sashka@glory.nsu.ru Reply-To: "Alexander N. Shapovalov" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] tapes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello, friends I am Aleksander Shapovalov, one of the organizers of the Siberia Footbag Association. We have got an information from our friends that we can get tapes somehow. Is it possible? Sincerely, Aleksander From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 2 19:21:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02048 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:21:13 GMT Received: from gdurrett@sftelecom.level1.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1321) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01319 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:27:24 GMT Received: from sentinel2.level1.com (sentinel2.level1.com [204.160.84.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23295 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:27:25 -0800 Received: from sft1.level1.com by sentinel2.level1.com via smtpd (for Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) with SMTP; 2 Dec 1997 17:27:25 UT Received: from itchy.sftelecom.level1.com by sft1.sftelecom.level1.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0xcw7k-000SVhC; Tue, 2 Dec 97 09:28 PST Received: by itchy.sftelecom.level1.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:31:02 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Durrett, Greg" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: RE: [footbag] tapes Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:31:00 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Whoa. I'll never complain about the cold fog in Golden Gate Park again. Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexander N. Shapovalov [SMTP:sashka@cclib.nsu.ru] > Sent: Monday, December 01, 1997 10:34 PM > To: footbag@footbag.org > Subject: [footbag] tapes > > Hello, friends > I am Aleksander Shapovalov, one of the organizers of the Siberia > Footbag Association. We have got an information from our friends that > we > can get tapes somehow. Is it possible? > Sincerely, > Aleksander > > From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 3 02:27:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA06109 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 02:26:36 GMT Received: from awestber@sedona.intel.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5466) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA05464 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 01:03:47 GMT Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (pan.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA31296 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:03:51 -0800 Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26233 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:03:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from dog.ch.intel.com (dog.ch.intel.com [143.182.224.56]) by sedona.intel.com (8.7.6/8.7.3paulmail) with SMTP id SAA97595 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:03:50 -0700 From: Amy Westberg Received: by dog.ch.intel.com (4.1/ICES-Networking) id AA01475; Tue, 2 Dec 97 18:03:49 MST Message-Id: <9712030103.AA01475@dog.ch.intel.com> Subject: [footbag] Phoenix Tournament -- place to stay To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:03:49 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi All, I just want to everyone know that if you are planning on coming to our tournament, let me know if you need a place to stay. We should have plenty of room to host people so you don't have to stay at a hotel. However, I need to know everyone who is going to need a place to stay so that I can make the arrangements. If you need a place, respond to this mail, and I'll put you on a list. If you have a sleeping bag, you'll want to bring it. Hope to see you all next month!! (January 17-18th) Amy From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 3 21:55:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03969 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:53:16 GMT Received: from wfa@worldfootbag.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (2627) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02625 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:12:43 GMT Received: from eniac.yak.net (eniac.Yak.NET [140.174.206.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09918 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:12:44 -0800 Received: from [206.175.100.106] (hdn92-106.hil.compuserve.com [206.175.100.106]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02595; Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:11:58 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:11:58 GMT X-Sender: wfafootbag@m4.sprynet.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Alexander N. Shapovalov" From: World Footbag Association Subject: Re: [footbag] tapes Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Aleksander wrote: > I am Aleksander Shapovalov, one of the organizers of the Siberia >Footbag Association. We have got an information from our friends that we >can get tapes somehow. Is it possible? If you are referring to video tapes, the World Footbag Association sells eight different videos. However, we only have two in the international PAL system (Tricks of the Trade and Footbag Basics). Footbag Basics is a good tape for the beginning level player. It contains all of the basic kick instruction and good training drills in a 30 minute video. Tricks of the Trade will help teach you all levels of footbag freestyle tricks. It offers players 41 different tricks, from the most basic of moves to tricks from a different planet. This video guides players step-by-step in slow-motion and also includes voice-over instruction. Please see our website at http://worldfootbag.com for more information and ordering instructions. Keep it in the air, Randy Nelson/WFA From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 4 20:34:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02598 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:32:29 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2533) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02531 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:31:01 GMT Received: from eniac.yak.net (eniac.Yak.NET [140.174.206.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29088 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:30:58 -0800 Received: from [204.62.245.116] (dhcp115.atext.com [206.66.71.115]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02528 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:30:55 GMT X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 12:30:50 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [footbag] Marketplace? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org There have been quite a few folks interested in using the footbag mailing list to either buy or sell footbag-related products. I'm wondering if people would be interested in a footbag "marketplace" mailing list, tentatively to be called "market@footbag.org". Tell me what you think if you have a strong opinion one way or the other. The idea would be to have an e-mail specifically for people who want to buy or sell footbag-related stuff. The policy would be that the list is only for *footbag*-related products, and of course if you're not on the list, you can't post to it (so no spamming from non-members would be a problem). So for instance, if someone has video, footbags, left-over T-shirts, a net, or a net for sale, he/she might post the info in the form of a short "ad" to that "market" list. Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 5 02:18:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA05245 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:17:59 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA05241 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:17:57 GMT Received: from 00201887@bigred.unl.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5238) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA05236 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:17:57 GMT Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01666 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:18:02 -0800 Received: (from 00201887@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) id UAA07724 for footbag@footbag.org; Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:16:29 -0600 (CST) From: Theron A Troxel <00201887@bigred.unl.edu> Message-Id: <199712050216.UAA07724@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: Re: [footbag] Marketplace? To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:16:28 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >I'm wondering if people would be interested in a footbag "marketplace" >mailing list, tentatively to be called "market@footbag.org". Tell me >what >you think if you have a strong opinion one way or the other. I am in favor of this listserve. It sounds like a good idea. Later.-- --------------------------- @ Theron Troxel \_|_/ UNLFC President | o 00201887@bigred.unl.edu /_\_ http://www.unl.edu/crec/SC/footbag \ ------------------------------------- From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 5 20:44:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03148 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:42:59 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03144 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:42:57 GMT Received: from tuhuge@sfsu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3141) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA03139 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 20:42:56 GMT Received: from apollo.sfsu.edu (apollo.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.167]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00498; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:42:59 -0800 Received: from station36.sfsu.edu (24hrlab-236.sfsu.edu [130.212.37.236]) by apollo.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA19422; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:51:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971205104556.0068c6cc@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: tuhuge@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 10:45:56 -0800 To: Steve Goldberg From: Tu Subject: Re: [footbag] Marketplace? Cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org A market sounds pretty cool. 2 Huge From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 5 22:05:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA04135 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 22:05:42 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA04131 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 22:05:40 GMT Received: from aloe@intouch.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4128) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA04126 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 22:05:39 GMT Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (srv1.reelwest.bc.ca [207.194.197.99]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01408; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:05:42 -0800 Received: from 207.194.197.140 (unverified [207.194.197.140]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 05 Dec 1997 14:04:31 -0800 Message-ID: <3489CB98.7E0C@intouch.bc.ca> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 14:03:05 -0800 From: "J. Pendray" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Goldberg CC: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Marketplace? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > I'm wondering if people would be interested in a footbag "marketplace" > mailing list, tentatively to be called "market@footbag.org". Tell me what > you think if you have a strong opinion one way or the other. I strongly opine that this is a very good idea & would be very useful. jooooliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 6 01:29:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA05612 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:29:15 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA05608 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:29:13 GMT Received: from relay8@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5605) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA05603 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 01:29:12 GMT Received: from imo11.mail.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.165]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02981 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 17:29:17 -0800 From: Relay8 Message-ID: <4ded9770.3488433e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:05:04 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Cc: Relay8@aol.com Subject: [footbag] lost # Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org i hope this is going to the right place. i'm looking for mike from Ft. Collins- you wrote me on 12/1-12/2 in response to my club listing. i lost your address look forward to kicking with you (and anyone else in the Ft.Collins area) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 6 03:54:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA06486 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 03:54:23 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA06482 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 03:54:21 GMT Received: from dbotkin@valinet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6479) Received: from mbs.valinet.com (mbs.valinet.com [206.98.218.24]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA06477 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 03:54:19 GMT Received: from dbotkin.hampshire.edu (ppp35.valinet.com [206.98.218.64]) by mbs.valinet.com (8.8.2/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA13855 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 22:54:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712060354.WAA13855@mbs.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [footbag] Footbag Product Listserve Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:02:24 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I'm for it, too. I would like to advertise my custom balls (so to speak). Dan Botkin From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Dec 7 23:01:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA01503 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:00:20 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA01499 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:00:18 GMT Received: from ericwindsor@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1496) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA01494 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 23:00:18 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F107.hotmail.com [207.82.250.226]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA32508 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 15:00:17 -0800 Received: (qmail 551 invoked by uid 0); 7 Dec 1997 23:00:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19971207230016.550.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.93.162.93 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 1997 15:00:15 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.93.162.93] From: "Eric Windsor" To: brat@footbag.org Cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Marketplace? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 15:00:15 PST Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Steve said: >I'm wondering if people would be interested in a footbag "marketplace" >mailing list, tentatively to be called "market@footbag.org". Tell me what >you think if you have a strong opinion one way or the other. > >The idea would be to have an e-mail specifically for people who want to buy >or sell footbag-related stuff. I think that is a great idea. We need an eaiser way of buying some of the more desired footbag equipment. Carol bags, and Mungers are a prime example. Also some shred video's can't be found through the present market. I dont think the WFA sells Carol's Munger's, Shreaded Wheat, or Tuan's Videos. When you sign up to the market mailing list it would be nice to recieve a welcome greeting the same way as when you sign up to the footbag mailing list. Instead of getting information on how to use the mail system you get information on how to get such worthy items as shred video's and sweet footbags. On the other hand, does Carol want her number listed nation wide so we can get our hands on her products? That's alot of work. What about Wingert, Munger and Vu? Would they care? Oh yea, what about the WFA? I guess what i wish for is for all the cool stuff to be made available in some sort of catalog. This would be a good idea. On the other hand Steve, if this system comes in effect, would that ban us from posting things for sale on the footbag and freestyle lists??? Thats where most of the people are at, footbag@footbag.org especialy. If I have something for sale, I want everone to see it, even the people on freestyle@footbag.org and footbag@footbag.org. If the answer to this question is yes, then I think it is a bad idea. Otherwise it sounds totally cool! Eric Windsor O /|\ o \\ _// ` ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 8 01:49:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA02355 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 01:49:22 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA02351 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 01:49:20 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2348) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA02346 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 01:49:20 GMT Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01659 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:49:24 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA28499; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:49:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from brat-2.atext.com(204.62.245.116) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028482; Sun Dec 7 19:48:53 1997 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971207230016.550.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 17:45:01 -0800 To: "Eric Windsor" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] Marketplace? Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 3:00 PM -0800 12/7/97, Eric Windsor wrote: >Instead of getting information on how to use the mail >system you get information on how to get such worthy items as shred >video's and sweet footbags. Well, let's not go too far. First of all, I'm not offering to create more work for myself! Secondly, footbag.org is a non-commercial, non-profit information website. In the interest of promoting the sport and helping players get information (including product information), I'm all for creating an environment to make that happen. But I am not suggesting that I would run any kind of clearinghouse or catalog. So the idea of the mailing list would just be a bulletin-board-style classified ad service (but for footbag only). If you want something, you post to that list (after joining it). If you have something for sale, again, you post to that list. >On the other hand Steve, if this system comes in effect, would that ban >us from posting things for sale on the footbag and freestyle lists??? The footbag, freestyle, and announce lists already have a "no blatant advertising" policy. It's acceptable to post information and reviews of products if you have no stake in them, and it's okay to post information in reply to an innocent query if you have a product for sale, but what I don't want to see, and I'm sure most people agree, is a plethora of daily, weekly, monthly, or even quarterly ads from everyone in the footbag community who has something to sell. And I certainly don't want to see people sending blatant advertisements to the larger lists (footbag and announce) in an attempt to take advantage of the non-profit service that I spend hours a week maintaining. So this is my compromise. I'll donate my time to set up a new list that is a "free-for-all" that everyone can subscribe to if they're interested in being informed of new products, or special deals, or availability, etc., of unique footbag items. And similarly, it's a place people can join and post if they're looking for something special. But beyond that, I am not suggesting that anything change on the other lists. (If anything, I'm suggesting my lax policy of accepting minimal advertisements on the footbag list would be changed to a stricter policy of no advertisements at all.) Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 10 11:12:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id LAA07524 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:11:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id LAA07520 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:11:57 GMT Received: from chamonte@mail.interlog.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (7517) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [198.53.145.6]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA07515 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:11:56 GMT Received: from [206.108.93.30] (ip93-30.tor.interlog.com [206.108.93.30]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.8.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA11319 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 06:11:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 06:11:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712101111.GAA11319@smtp.interlog.com> Subject: [footbag] Re: footbag-digest V1 #7 From: Lori & Ian To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >Hello this is a message to any and all who wish to or have been trying to >talk >to Juliet Pendray. Her modem recently broke and she is without access to her >mail. This situation will continue indefinitely. In the meantime rest >assured >that she is not being rude or snubbing anyone in particular. Urgent messages >can be relayed thru me, or you can just wait as I am sure she will make it >obvious when she returns online. Wooo - crash saga Urgent - send monies to Jooliet's modem relief fund. This keyboard comando should not be without a vechile for expression. The chuckles, insights and soft cynisism she provides are are an intergral part of the footbag digest. If monies are not possible - I'm sure get up and running cards will do. It's been a while since I've read any mail -ie July/97. Having babies diverts the attention, but the feet still kick on. Lori DiMonte From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 10 20:49:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02711 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:48:23 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02699 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:48:15 GMT Received: from aloe@intouch.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2695) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02692 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:48:10 GMT Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (srv1.reelwest.bc.ca [207.194.197.99]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19276 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:48:12 -0800 Received: from 207.194.197.216 (unverified [207.194.197.216]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:47:06 -0800 Message-ID: <348FE078.1F29@intouch.bc.ca> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:45:46 +0000 From: "J. Pendray" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lori & Ian CC: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Demise exaggerated... References: <199712101111.GAA11319@smtp.interlog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > Wooo - crash saga > Urgent - send monies to Jooliet's modem relief fund. Nope - gotta spankin new modem now - but thank you for the compliments Angel-Woman! Good to have you back on the list!!! :-) juliet p.s. So ... when's the Toronto Footbag Tournament, huh?-huh?-huh?! From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 10 23:27:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03953 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:27:15 GMT Received: from angelab@log.on.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3855) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03853 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 23:12:14 GMT Received: from logon.log.on.ca (log.on.ca [205.207.183.29]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21599 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:12:17 -0800 Received: from nt-hermes.log.on.ca(really [205.207.183.230]) by logon.log.on.ca via sendmail with smtp (ident rain using rfc1413) id for ; Wed, 10 Dec 97 18:12:08 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.1.92 1996-Mar-19 #2 built 1996-Apr-17) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:15:47 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Angela B cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Demise exaggerated... In-Reply-To: <348FE078.1F29@intouch.bc.ca> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: angelab@log.on.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, J. Pendray wrote: > p.s. So ... when's the Toronto Footbag Tournament, huh?-huh?-huh?! > Yeah I highly agree that one of those is necessary.... seeing as how Toronto is the only city anywhere near me and I feel a desperate desire to play some net... Hmmm... Lori you don't happen to have an indoor site do ya?? Wishing she could crash a net or something Angela B From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 11 16:00:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00532 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:59:22 GMT Received: from copyset@interaccess.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (8461) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA08459 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:07:40 GMT Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA30102 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:07:49 -0800 Received: from [207.208.136.48] (d48.focal.interaccess.com [207.208.136.48]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id IAA19870; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:02:30 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:16:50 -0600 To: Angela B , footbag@footbag.org From: copyset@interaccess.com (Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter) Subject: Re: [footbag] Demise exaggerated... Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Footbaggers! >On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, J. Pendray wrote: >> p.s. So ... when's the Toronto Footbag Tournament, huh?-huh?-huh?! >> > >Yeah I highly agree that one of those is necessary.... seeing as how >Toronto is the only city anywhere near me and I feel a desperate desire to >play some net... Hmmm... Lori you don't happen to have an indoor site do >ya?? >Wishing she could crash a net or something >Angela B How about freestyle? Toronto is not too far from Detroit, or Chicago (in relative terms). We would be interested in going to Toronto, and probably others from our area too. Is this idea gaining momentum, or what? Now who will step up to the plate? See ya! Scott and Valeria Davidson From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 11 19:36:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01905 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:36:08 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01901 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:36:05 GMT Received: from aloe@intouch.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1898) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA01896 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:36:05 GMT Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (srv1.reelwest.bc.ca [207.194.197.99]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01815 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:36:07 -0800 Received: from 207.194.197.137 (unverified [207.194.197.137]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:36:00 -0800 Message-ID: <34912154.FD5@intouch.bc.ca> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:34:46 +0000 From: "J. Pendray" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: Toronto [was Demise exaggerated...] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > How about freestyle? Toronto is not too far from Detroit, or Chicago (in > relative terms). > We would be interested in going to Toronto, and probably others from our > area too. > > Is this idea gaining momentum, or what? Now who will step up to the plate? There's nothing like a little momentum... So...any words from the other Ontari-ari-scari-oi-ans? Mike K.? Neil? Jeremy? Kayvan? Sean? or? juliet p.s. Can anyone out there give me a "correct" spelling for "shtataf" ? p.p.s. Actually, also, does anyone have any good suggestions for a reasonably brief way of describing same in writing to someone not familiar with Net? Thanks! From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 11 21:05:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02435 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:05:39 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02431 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:05:38 GMT Received: from rvbpaco@wam.umd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2428) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02426 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:05:37 GMT Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03243 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:05:36 -0800 Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (rvbpaco@rac5.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.145]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA03865; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:05:34 -0500 (EST) From: Procrastinator the VIIIth Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA11635; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:05:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:05:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712112105.QAA11635@rac5.wam.umd.edu> To: aloe@intouch.bc.ca, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: Toronto [was Demise exaggerated...] Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org shtataf is good enough. there is no reasonable breif way of describing such accuraely. say i jump up in hte air throw my legs over my head and strik the bag with the soole of one of my feet as i roll inthe air to land on one leg and one hand. or two hands. it's non specific but damned impressive sounding anyway. hope the day is cool. adios- vince From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 11 21:13:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02506 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:13:49 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02502 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:13:48 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2499) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02497 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:13:48 GMT Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03358 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:13:50 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA01216; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:13:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from dhcptest35.atext.com(206.66.71.194) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001199; Thu Dec 11 15:13:27 1997 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34912154.FD5@intouch.bc.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:13:30 -0800 To: "J. Pendray" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: Toronto [was Demise exaggerated...] Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 3:34 AM -0800 12/12/97, J. Pendray wrote: >p.s. Can anyone out there give me a "correct" spelling for "shtataf" ? > >p.p.s. Actually, also, does anyone have any good suggestions for a >reasonably brief way of describing same in writing to someone not >familiar with Net? Thanks! Yes, Vince is right that you got it right. It's "shtataf!". It's onomatopeia (but with French phonetics). For explaining it to other net players, you can say "a crossing (reverse) pull-down", but there ain't NO way to describe to a newbie. Instead, just point them to the photo that is worth a thousand words: http://www.footbag.org/gallery/show/006.JPG "Mulder's in Trouble" It shows Sebastien Verdy doing a shtataf on Randy's head. Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 11 23:31:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03469 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:31:11 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03465 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:31:10 GMT Received: from wfa@worldfootbag.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3462) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03460 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:31:10 GMT Received: from eniac.yak.net (eniac.Yak.NET [140.174.206.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05672 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:31:13 -0800 Received: from [206.175.100.86] (hdn89-223.hil.compuserve.com [206.175.98.223]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03457; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:31:00 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:31:00 GMT X-Sender: wfafootbag@m4.sprynet.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34912154.FD5@intouch.bc.ca> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "J. Pendray" From: World Footbag Association Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: Toronto [was Demise exaggerated...] Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 3:34 AM -0800 12/12/97, J. Pendray wrote: >p.s. Can anyone out there give me a "correct" spelling for "shtataf" ? "shtataf", lets see... if you read that backwards ... isn't that how a net player with a lisp describes anyone who can't put a foot seven feet in the air?? Randy From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 12 06:05:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA05465 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:05:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA05459 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:05:01 GMT Received: from baglady@sirius.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5456) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA05454 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 06:05:01 GMT Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10767 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:05:07 -0800 Received: from [205.134.230.45] (ppp-asfn-b--045.sirius.net [205.134.230.45]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id WAA08711 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:05:03 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: baglady@sirius.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:10:41 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: baglady@sirius.com (sam) Subject: [footbag] i'm here Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org hey everybody, sam here. were on-line... my first brush with modern technology. forgive my grammer, but it'll just take me a while and i'm sure i'll be typing like a pro with capital letters and everything... anyway,yeah steve, marketplace sounds great. and is a shitaaaaaa a different net move from the one being spoken of here? who's going to vegas for the holiday jam, when, and where are you staying? stikman gets there on dec. 27th, i get there on the 31st i have heard this amazing rumor that ann kaplan and i are teaming up for team freestyle next year...did you also know that trisha and i are going to do womens doubles net and that randy and i are doing open net ,that i'm getting 927 in five-minute timed, lisa mc dennis and i got 987 in d.d.o.p.at our last practice, and tim and i are getting married...in vegas... ta ta for now, sorry for ramblin, but i gotta skool this typing stuff.... sam From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 12 09:34:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA06020 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:33:46 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA06016 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:33:45 GMT Received: from dbotkin@valinet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6013) Received: from mbs.valinet.com (mbs.valinet.com [206.98.218.24]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA06011 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:33:42 GMT Received: from dbotkin.hampshire.edu (ppp19.valinet.com [206.98.218.48]) by mbs.valinet.com (8.8.2/8.7.1) with ESMTP id EAA01597 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:33:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712120933.EAA01597@mbs.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [footbag] onomatopeia Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 04:41:54 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I used to get that before a big net match... From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 13 08:05:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA06256 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:05:33 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA06252 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:05:31 GMT Received: from aloe@intouch.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6249) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA06247 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 08:05:31 GMT Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (srv1.reelwest.bc.ca [207.194.197.99]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA27401 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:05:37 -0800 Received: from 207.194.197.152 (unverified [207.194.197.152]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:05:09 -0800 Message-ID: <3491D0F4.4E4A@intouch.bc.ca> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:04:08 +0000 From: "J. Pendray" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] irc footbag Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Greetings all! Having figgered out how to count to ten, plus all the primary colours, in the undernet... I'm hoping someone might be up for some aimless or significant chatting about kicking right now at #footbag? Am partially motivated by wanting to practice using this medium. It is presently friday night, midnight p.s.t. (regardless of what the date on this email may say), so I'll keep this channel open for a bit to see if anyone arrives. Of course y'all are likely out partying or kicking or something..... :-) Thanks, Juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 15 19:22:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02075 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:21:18 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02071 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:21:16 GMT Received: from sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2068) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02066 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 19:21:16 GMT Received: from dept.english.upenn.edu (DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU [130.91.75.246]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03003 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:21:17 -0800 Received: (from sunilj@localhost) by dept.english.upenn.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA87198 for footbag@footbag.org; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:21:11 -0500 From: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) Message-Id: <199712151921.OAA87198@dept.english.upenn.edu> Subject: [footbag] FPI... To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:21:11 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey All: I was flashing through the TV channels last night when a footbag caught my eye. It was being transmitted via the Drexel University television stations over a thing called FREE SPEECH TV. It was a bunch of Guatemalans kicking a footbag. After a few seconds I realized it was the footbag peace initiative documentary, starring Daniel Botkin (furrier than I recall). Has anyone else seen this broadcast over tv (maybe a public access station)? I was so psyched to see it. I wanted to give kudos to Dan for all of his efforts to bridge the gap between the US and central America. Nice job, Dan, and good documentary. Sunil P.S. - Dan, what is going on with the project now? Has it concluded, or are there still trips being taken? From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 15 20:14:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02562 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:14:40 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02558 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:14:39 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2555) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02553 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:14:39 GMT Received: from eniac.yak.net (eniac.Yak.NET [140.174.206.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03768 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:14:41 -0800 Received: from [204.62.245.116] (brat-2.atext.com [204.62.245.116]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02550; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:14:27 GMT X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199712151921.OAA87198@dept.english.upenn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 12:14:45 -0800 To: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] FPI... Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 11:21 AM -0800 12/15/97, Sunil Jani wrote: >P.S. - Dan, what is going on with the project now? Has it concluded, or >are there still trips being taken? You can visit the Footbag Peace Initiative website at: http://www.valinet.com/~dbotkin/ Their club listing on Footbag WorldWide (search the club list for "Footbag Peace Initiative") takes you there. http://www.footbag.org/clublist/fpi Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 15 21:59:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03383 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:58:57 GMT Received: from mzelov@sun1.wetmore.amphi.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2848) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02846 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:00:14 GMT Received: from sun1.wetmore.amphi.com (NS.AMPHI.COM [206.210.128.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04441 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:00:16 -0800 Received: from ams-38317.amphi_jhs.amphi.com ([206.210.140.89]) by sun1.wetmore.amphi.com (4.1/1.37) id AA18967; Mon, 15 Dec 97 13:11:20-070 Message-Id: <34958DE5.7528@sun1.wetmore.amphi.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:07:01 -0700 From: marc zelov Organization: amphi public schools X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] largest footbag circle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello, I am an 8th grade teacher in Tucson Arizona. I am curious if anyone knows the details of the guinness book record for the "largest footbag circle." I would like to know if all 957 people kicked the footbag and completed a "hack", or were they just gathered in a large group? I would like to know so that our school can perhaps try to beat the record! Thanks,,,,,,, Marc Z. in Tucson From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 15 23:16:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA04100 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:15:47 GMT Received: from copyset@interaccess.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3755) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03753 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:31:09 GMT Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05923 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 14:31:12 -0800 Received: from [207.208.136.92] (d92.focal.interaccess.com [207.208.136.92]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA00606; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:25:56 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:25:56 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani), footbag@footbag.org From: copyset@interaccess.com (Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter) Subject: Re: [footbag] FPI... Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Sunil! > I was flashing through the TV channels last night when a footbag >caught my eye. It was being transmitted via the Drexel University >television stations over a thing called FREE SPEECH TV. It was a bunch of >Guatemalans kicking a footbag. After a few seconds I realized it was the >footbag peace initiative documentary, starring Daniel Botkin (furrier than Yes. Valeria has caught the end of it on cable-access stations in our area a couple of times, and I have heard of it from some of our players out here in Chicago. Great job Daniel! Peace on Earth, good footbags to all! See ya! Scott. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 16 17:02:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01035 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:00:59 GMT Received: from wfa@worldfootbag.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (830) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00828 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:40:29 GMT Received: from eniac.yak.net (eniac.Yak.NET [140.174.206.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17306 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:40:25 -0800 Received: from [206.175.99.153] (hdn91-153.hil.compuserve.com [206.175.99.153]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00824; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:40:11 GMT Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:40:11 GMT X-Sender: wfafootbag@m4.sprynet.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34958DE5.7528@sun1.wetmore.amphi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: marc zelov From: World Footbag Association Subject: Re: [footbag] largest footbag circle Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Dear Marc, You wrote: >I am an 8th grade teacher in Tucson Arizona. I am curious if anyone >knows the details of the guinness book record for the "largest footbag >circle." I would like to know if all 957 people kicked the footbag and >completed a "hack", or were they just gathered in a large group? > >I would like to know so that our school can perhaps try to beat the >record! As the official sancitioning body for the International Footbag Advisory Board (IFAB),the World Footbag Association (WFA) recognizes and submits all records to the Guinness Book of Records which take place at WFA/IFAB sanctioned events. See the IFAB's Official Rules of Footbag Sports rulebook for sanctioning guidelines and sanctioning application at http://ifab.footbag.org The rules for the "largest footbag circle" simply state that it has to be a continuous circle of people playing footbag and that everyone involved in the circle complete at least one kick. On past records of "largest circle", five to ten of the circles better players would spread themselves around the inside of the circle and hand toss footbags to each participant individually for their kick. The rally does not have to be continuous. Thank you for your interest in footbag. Have fun organizing your event, and please don't hesitate to call the WFA at (970) 870-9898 if you have any questions regarding your attempt. Kickingly yours, Randy Nelson WFA Sports Promotions From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 16 19:36:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02214 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:35:57 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02210 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:35:55 GMT Received: from dbotkin@valinet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2207) Received: from mbs.valinet.com (mbs.valinet.com [206.98.218.24]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02205 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 19:35:53 GMT Received: from dbotkin.hampshire.edu (ppp5.valinet.com [206.98.218.34]) by mbs.valinet.com (8.8.2/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA14669 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:35:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712161935.OAA14669@mbs.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [footbag] FPI update Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:44:04 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Sunil wrote: >Dan, what is going on with the project now? Has it concluded, or > are there still trips being taken? Scott wrote: >Great job Daniel! *********************************** Thanks for the kind feedback, Sunil and Scott. I still occasionally hear funny stories about people unexpectedly catching "Futbolito" on various farflung cable and public access stations. I have undertaken three "footbag peace" expeditions since the 88-89 journey chonicled in the video. Since the birth of our daughter three months ago, I've had to scale back and reinvent (mostly on the web) my passion for international politics and adventure. However, I am planning to return to Guatemala (with my family) this winter for a month of footbag barnstorming, sewing, street theatre and merry pranks. We'll be staying in a small Indian village on Lake Atitlan, the source of several hundred thousand crocheted cotton footbags imported each year to the USA. Some kicking friends of mine from N. Carolina moved down there several years ago, built a house and, using my sewing ideas, patterns, etc, started a (leather) footbag sewing "cooperative" among 25 local families. Since they act as recruiters, trainers, procurers, importers and marketers of the product, they've been able to pay the Guatemalans significantly better than the 30-40 cents typically paid to sewers for the crochet bags. In any case, a sweet sense of 'footbag comraderie' has evolved locally around kicking and sackmaking, strongly associated with the idea of intercultural sharing and respect. At some point I intend to document this scene ("Futbolito: Ten Years Later") as well as orchestrate more 'footpeace' expeditions through Latin America. For the moment my dream is to build a national mentoring initiative here in America, based on footbag arts, peer education and youth leadership. I'm actively researching funding for such a project and am interested in hearing from anyone who would like to be involved on any level. More details about the current status of this dream and of the rest of the FPI are available at the "Whats New" page... http://www.valinet.com/~dbotkin/new.html Daniel Botkin From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 17 06:58:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA06659 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:57:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA06655 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:57:56 GMT Received: from kicking@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (6652) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA06650 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:57:55 GMT Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA27868 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:58:01 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA28101 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:57:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:57:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199712170657.AAA28101@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Received: from prt-or4-13.ix.netcom.com(207.220.32.141) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028070; Wed Dec 17 00:57:11 1997 From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (D&T George) Subject: [footbag] Footbag makes it in Flubber To: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Well, footbag has been made famous by none other than Robin Williams this time. He has just invented Flubber and begins kicking it really fast....sort of like speed consecutives.....and as he does this he says "Hey, I'm the Hacky Sack king." He looked pretty smooth too. I recommend Flubber....not just because they mention "Hacky Sack" either. tricia From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 17 09:23:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA07095 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:22:51 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA07084 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:22:49 GMT Received: from bouquyve@media9.dauphine.fr () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (7081) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA07079; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:22:49 GMT Received: from dauphin.dauphine.fr (dauphin.dauphine.fr [192.93.230.129]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA28830; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 01:22:55 -0800 Received: from serveur1.media9.dauphine.fr by dauphin.dauphine.fr (8.6.8/dauphine-3.3) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:26:12 +0100 Received: from SERVEUR1/SpoolDir by serveur1.media9.dauphine.fr (Mercury 1.21); 17 Dec 97 10:31:53 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by SERVEUR1 (Mercury 1.21); 17 Dec 97 10:31:36 +1100 From: "BOUQUIER YVES" Organization: UNIVERSITE PARIS IX DAUPHINE To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:31:35 +1100 Subject: [footbag] The Killer CC: announce@footbag.org Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01FR) Message-ID: <21D42904A7D@serveur1.media9.dauphine.fr> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello everyone, I've been playing footbag for over a year in Paris, France with about 10 other friends. The sport of footbag is really not known in France and since knowbody taught us how to play, we developped our own style of footbag. We even invented a new game... The game is called the Killer. We invented it because we were tired of seeing newcomers lose the bag the second they received it. Here are the basic rules : -the game starts off by a circle that can be composed of as many players as possible -the game is started by a hand toss to anyone and the person that receives the footbag does freestyle and must pass it to another player and so on (just like normal freestyle) -to validate a sequence there needs to be two correct passes -if somebody looses the bag before the two passes or does a bad pass (impossible to retrieve) he receives a "penalty card" -if somebody gets three cards, he is eliminated from the circle and the game starts again with one person less -after a while only two kickers are left and they play the final -there are no cards given in a final so after two passes the person who drops the footbags loses and the winner is given a "life"for the next game -the game starts again with everyone Now here is the fun part: -a person can kill another player by shooting the footbag on him -if ever you miss your kill you either receive two cards if the shoot was effected before the two validating passes or you're eliminated from the circle if after the second pass -you cannot kill on the initial hand pass because it is considered to be anti-sport -the best moment to kill is when you are the second person to receive the footbag and you have no cards -kills are not allowed in the final -lifes can be accumulated -cards are eliminated each round -if someone is killed or loses the footbag after the first two passes, he can stay in the circle by using his or one of his lives (if he has one..) The killer is a game of alliance because a friend can always make you the the first kick pass and then you can shoot anyone you want. If ever you are not liked or have too many lives, everyone will try to kill you and you will always be surely eliminated on the first round. Last rule to know: if ever there is an uncertainty on an action (bad or good pass, kill or just bad pass...), the sanction will be voted by the remaining players. Someone who has been eliminated is not allowed to vote. Once again alliances are really important because an unliked player will surely be voted out. Nothing is more important than the decision of the vote and nobody can go against the decision. Democracy rules even if the decision is unfair. I hope you understood the game and will be playing it soon. If you have any questions or comments please write to me. Sincerly, Yves Bouquier From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Dec 21 05:14:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA02641 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 05:14:18 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA02637 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 05:14:17 GMT Received: from ericwindsor@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2634) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA02632 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 05:14:17 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F29.hotmail.com [207.82.250.40]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA18488 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:14:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 3377 invoked by uid 0); 21 Dec 1997 05:14:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19971221051421.3376.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.31.111.105 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:14:21 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.31.111.105] From: "Eric Windsor" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Heart of Freestyle???? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:14:21 PST Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey all, I was wondering if there was going to be a heart of freestyle event in portland next year? I didn't see there event on the event list in www.footbag.org. I think that is a bad sign considering this is one of the best tournaments I've been to. If not I understand since Sole Purpose hosted worlds. How many other tournaments does Kendall host? She must be tired. Just curious, Eric Windsor O /|\ o \\ _// ` ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Dec 21 19:48:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA00888 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:48:10 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA00884 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:48:08 GMT Received: from adriand@callplus.co.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (881) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA00879 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:48:08 GMT Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (www.callplus.co.nz [202.27.101.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25193 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:48:09 -0800 Received: by www.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:45:09 +1300 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C08B2A7@www.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: [footbag] MTV Uk Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 08:45:07 +1300 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey, yesterday I flicked on MTV (UK) and saw a short clip of Tuan Vu and Peter Irish shredding... it was pretty damn cool, they named and hit stuff like Zulu Lelu Good stuff guys! From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 22 05:06:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA02844 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 05:06:26 GMT Received: from kickersquarterly@chicago.avenew.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2799) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA02797 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 05:01:19 GMT Received: from mail001.chicago.avenew.com (mail001.chicago.avenew.com [206.31.209.4]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA31101 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:01:25 -0800 Received: from [10.1.2.212] ([10.1.1.153]) by mail001.chicago.avenew.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-10299) with SMTP id AAA147 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:01:23 -0600 Message-ID: <349D9C8B.174E@chicago.avenew.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:03:55 +0000 From: "Matt W. Sweeny" Reply-To: KickersQuarterly@chicago.avenew.com Organization: Schwa Footbag Publishing X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-Ave_2_001 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] SFP_Kickers Qaurterly Info. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello, Go to http://members.tripod.com/~LifeOnMarsInc/ltr_to_all.html The information at that page announces the name change of USAFL to Schwa Footbag Publishing. We are proud to be a part of the footbag community and want you to know about our new actions and how you are already a part of what we are doing. Thanks Matt Sweeny From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 22 05:51:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA03017 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 05:51:02 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA03013 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 05:51:01 GMT Received: from jesuschrist@thepentagon.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3010) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA03008 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 05:51:01 GMT Received: from coastnet.com (coastnet.com [206.87.35.216]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA31724 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:51:06 -0800 Received: from thepentagon.com (d52.coastnet.com [206.87.35.30]) by coastnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22446 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:51:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <349E00BC.4BF3536D@thepentagon.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 21:55:08 -0800 From: John Thompson Reply-To: jesuschrist@thepentagon.com Organization: Jop's House of Pancakes, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Anyone know where I can order the "Jaq-Saq"? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Almost a year ago, I mail-ordered a footbag by the name of the "Jaq-Saq" from a footbag, juggling, & other alternative gaming company, of who's name I can't remember. This sand-filled wonder was a blessing, and by far the best footbag I've had. Unfortunately, several time-developed holes ultimately killed my footbag, after almost a year of excessive usage. I'd like to buy another one, *BUT* I can't locate where I ordered it from anymore--is anyone familiar with the 'Jaq-Saq', or any place where I could order one from? Thanks in advance, - John. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 22 17:17:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00789 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:14:47 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00785 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:14:45 GMT Received: from wfa@worldfootbag.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (782) Received: from Market.NET ([140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00780 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:14:39 GMT Received: from eniac.yak.net (eniac.Yak.NET [140.174.206.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07114 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:14:05 -0800 Received: from [206.175.99.200] (hdn91-200.hil.compuserve.com [206.175.99.200]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00757; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:12:22 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 17:12:22 GMT X-Sender: wfafootbag@m4.sprynet.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <349E00BC.4BF3536D@thepentagon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jesuschrist@thepentagon.com From: World Footbag Association Subject: Re: [footbag] Anyone know where I can order the "Jaq-Saq"? Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey John, You wrote: >Almost a year ago, I mail-ordered a footbag by the name of the "Jaq-Saq" >from a footbag, juggling, & other alternative gaming company, of who's >name I can't remember. This sand-filled wonder was a blessing, and by >far the best footbag I've had. Unfortunately, several time-developed >holes ultimately killed my footbag, after almost a year of excessive >usage. I'd like to buy another one, *BUT* I can't locate where I >ordered it from anymore--is anyone familiar with the 'Jaq-Saq', or any >place where I could order one from? Thanks in advance, Well, look no further. The WFA is your footbag source. We are the largest distributor of footbags and footbag accessories in the world. We have over 30 different footbags including the Jac Saq Sandbag footbag. May we also recommend our "Freesole" repair adhesive (style #205), it works wonders for bringing back to life those old favorites that have developed small holes. If you'd like to order, feel free to connect with our website at http://worldfootbag.com and utilize our handy on-line ordering system or give us a call at (800) 878-8797. Incidentally, for all orders placed on credit cards we ship within 24 hours. We hope your holiday is a kick, Randy Nelson/WFA From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 22 19:34:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01429 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:32:43 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01425 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:32:38 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1422) Received: from Market.NET ([140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA01420 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 19:32:37 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F76.hotmail.com [207.82.250.182]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08279 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:32:04 -0800 Received: (qmail 9259 invoked by uid 0); 22 Dec 1997 19:31:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19971222193159.9258.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.249.188.156 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:31:58 PST X-Originating-IP: [38.249.188.156] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] What's in a name? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:31:58 PST Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Dear Footbag Brethren: This weekend, I mentioned to a friend the Hacky Sack reference in the movie Flubber: "I am the Hacky Sack king!" Following my statement came the inevitable thoughts of "It's too bad they don't know that the sport is actually called Footbag. It could've meant some needed exposure for the sport. Ho-Hum." This brings up the question why we insist on holding on to the name Footbag. Where did the love affair with this ugly sounding word come from? Hacky Sack is known by people all over the world. If we're truly dedicated to spreading the sport, shouldn't we call the sport by a name that poeple will recognize? The owner of Hacky Sack (depends on what day of the week it is) surely won't mind. In fact, I would think they'd generously reward tournaments, WFA for the exposure. Has the name "Flying Disc" been a marketing asset to their sport? I would like to see this issue strongly debated as I believe it to be an important step in Footbag's evolution. Thanks for your time. Dan Kramer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 22 21:03:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01899 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:02:10 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01895 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:02:09 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1892) Received: from Market.NET ([140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA01890 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:02:08 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [12.10.112.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09173 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:01:35 -0800 Received: from www.mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [12.10.114.3]) by trib1.trib.net (NTMail 3.03.0014/4c.adoc) with ESMTP id la128945 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:10:14 -0600 Subject: Re: [footbag] What's in a name? Message-Id: <000000501052965669600@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:06:40 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Mon, Dec 22, 1997, 1:31:58 PM US CST Daniel Kramer wrote: >This brings up the question why we insist on holding on to the name >Footbag. Where did the love affair with this ugly sounding word come Patents and copyrights. For a patent, the name of the product cannot be the same as the name of the sport played with it. The Hacky Sack became a Hacky Sack brand Footbag when it was patented. I agree; I think a positive step for "Footbag" would be for the owners of "Hacky Sack" to lose that patent/copyright so that the sport itself could be called "Hacky." Not too farfetched, really, because loosely translated it means "kicking something." You could still have different brands and lines of the dang things. In disc golf, Frisbees hold a similar position to Hacky Sacks for footbag in general. But for most other aspects of disc sports, Frisbees aren't particularly sub-standard products. Thus having Frisbee as the dominant name in that sport isn't really as damaging as having Hacky Sack the dominant name in our sport. Then again, maybe the new Wham-O will actually produce quality products. Think of Wham-O actually contracting with the Flying Clipper bunch to produce thier footbags for them... But I still think Hack and Hacky would be much catchier names for our sport than footbag. -- Derrick Fogle -- Heartland Eye Banks -- dfogle@mlerf.org -- From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 22 22:30:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02304 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:29:09 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02300 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:29:07 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2297) Received: from Market.NET ([140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02295 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:29:07 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F100.hotmail.com [207.82.250.219]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA09847 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:28:34 -0800 Received: (qmail 29294 invoked by uid 0); 22 Dec 1997 22:28:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19971222222830.29293.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.249.188.156 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:28:29 PST X-Originating-IP: [38.249.188.156] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] What's in a name? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 14:28:29 PST Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Derrick Fogle wrote: >Then again, maybe the new Wham-O will actually produce quality >products. Think of Wham-O actually contracting with the Flying >Clipper bunch to produce thier footbags for them... Good idea. Hope the Wham-O people are taking notes. Their business plan is about half done. :>) >I agree; I think a positive step for "Footbag" would be for the >owners of "Hacky Sack" to lose that patent/copyright so that the >sport itself could be called "Hacky." Not too farfetched, really, >because loosely translated it means "kicking something." You could >still have different brands and lines of the dang things. Agreed. They'd have to loosen their strangle-hold on that patent. I'd like to think that this could be negotiated. But from their perspective, without their "Hacky Sack" trademark, what are they left with? - substandard bags. Their entire existence is based on that name. (Dear Wham-O: For solution to this, please see Derrick's first paragraph.) Reminds me of Apple's reluctance to license their OS early on. Hopefully Wham-O will learn from Apple's blunder. DK ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 23 02:47:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA03605 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:46:40 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA03601 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:46:39 GMT Received: from durfduo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3598) Received: from Market.NET ([140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA03596 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 02:46:38 GMT Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.174]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA11475 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:46:07 -0800 From: Durfduo Message-ID: <39051851.349f1e92@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:14:40 EST To: grandincredible@hotmail.com Cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] What's in a name? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org In a message dated 97-12-22 17:57:43 EST, you write: << Agreed. They'd have to loosen their strangle-hold on that patent >> Don't patents expire after 17 years? It's been more than 20 for most footbag patents, right? Scott Durfee Richmond, VA From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 23 04:18:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA04166 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 04:18:16 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA04162 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 04:18:15 GMT Received: from gimmiezo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4159) Received: from Market.NET ([140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA04157 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 04:18:15 GMT Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.172]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA11882 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:17:44 -0800 From: Gimmie Zo Message-ID: <6bdbeccb.349f3629@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 22:55:17 EST To: grandincredible@hotmail.com, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] What's in a name? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I dont think that the name footbag should be changed at all. All the people who are actually competent with a footbag call it "footbag" so whats the problem? Besides i hate hearing "Can I play hacky with you guys?" and "that kid is soooo good at hacky!" From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 23 05:54:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA04479 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:54:19 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA04475 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:54:18 GMT Received: from brc@ameritech.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (4472) Received: from Market.NET ([140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA04470 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:54:17 GMT Received: from mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net (mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net [206.141.192.243]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12209 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 21:53:47 -0800 Received: from 206.141.214.197 (dyn-max14-197.chicago.il.ameritech.net [206.141.214.197]) by mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net (8.8.3/8.8.3-AIMS) with SMTP id XAA18126 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:53:46 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199712230553.XAA18126@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail & News for Macintosh - 3.0c (405) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 23:51:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [footbag] What's in a name? From: "brc@ameritech.net" To: Footbag (General) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Heheh. I call it Hacky Sack (but I also use one). When you go in a store and ask for a foot bag, they go "Um... I don't think we have any of those" Get someone else to ask for a Hacky Sak, and they lead you right to them. I think it's just easier. // // ////// ////// ////// // // // // ////// // ////// > This brings up the question why we insist on holding on to the name > Footbag. Where did the love affair with this ugly sounding word come > from? From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 23 13:12:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA05550 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:12:26 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA05546 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:12:23 GMT Received: from shahrayar@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (5542) Received: from Market.NET ([140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA05537 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 13:12:22 GMT Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.177]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA13472 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 05:11:55 -0800 From: SHAHRAYAR Message-ID: <540171ae.349fb868@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:11:02 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] What's in a name? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I think the reason why we (well, I) don't like the term "hacky sack," is becase it caries with it the immediate implication of a game, not a sport. Besides, with "footag," you can clearly differentiate between the different disciplines of the sport. "Hacky Sack Net" just doesn't cut it.... From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 23 15:40:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00301 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:38:50 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00297 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:38:48 GMT Received: from rvbpaco@wam.umd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (294) Received: from Market.NET ([140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00292 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:38:42 GMT Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA14110 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 07:38:05 -0800 Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (rvbpaco@rac5.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.145]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA18465; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:37:59 -0500 (EST) From: Procrastinator the VIIIth Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA07504; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:37:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:37:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712231537.KAA07504@rac5.wam.umd.edu> To: SHAHRAYAR@aol.com, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] What's in a name? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org the implication of 'hackysack ' as a game and 'footbag ' as a sport is an ingrained part of being a member of the footbag commmunity. to 'hackers' who tkae what they do seriously, what they do is a sport. 'hacky sack net?' using the word net is just pretty damned lame. 'what are you playing?' 'footbag net ' (';what?..') 'you see we kick this thing that we call a footbag, over that thing there, and, well, we aren;t all that creative...' but 'hacky sack volleyball' especailly when enunciated with that special maryland twang, is most certainly a sport to be reckoned with. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 23 16:03:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00395 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:03:20 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00391 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:03:19 GMT Received: from rvbpaco@wam.umd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (388) Received: from Market.NET ([140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00386 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 16:03:18 GMT Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14248 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:02:44 -0800 Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (rvbpaco@rac5.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.145]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA10268; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:30:47 -0500 (EST) From: Procrastinator the VIIIth Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA07322; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:30:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:30:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712231530.KAA07322@rac5.wam.umd.edu> To: GimmieZo@aol.com, footbag@footbag.org, grandincredible@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [footbag] What's in a name? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org as a relatively long time promoter of the sport of footbag, i would like to lend this bit of wisdom from a friend who has always been concerned for my preoccupation. "you know i've always hated the word footbag. always seems to me like a violent introduction 'Foot - Bag' and then i cringe." my experience with the word leads me to believe, though admittedly i am not the best speaker in the world, that inherently it sounds like a mumble. "fotba" "What?!" "footbag" "What?!" "Foot!"-point "Bag" -show object. and what are you playing? "footbag net" "what what what?" heck, they call it 'that hacky game' anyway. er, hack. l8r- vince From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 23 19:20:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01457 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:20:06 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01451 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:20:00 GMT Received: from aloe@intouch.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (1448) Received: from Market.NET ([140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA01446 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:20:00 GMT Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (srv1.reelwest.bc.ca [207.194.197.99]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16192 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:19:27 -0800 Received: from 207.194.197.222 (unverified [207.194.197.222]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:18:35 -0800 Message-ID: <349F9DB1.60DE@intouch.bc.ca> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 11:17:09 +0000 From: "J. Pendray" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] What's in a name? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org When i think about the heart of footbag, its basic appeal and essence...then i don't care what its called. Just join the circle and enjoy the friendly cooperation, the good people, the flow of the game. When i think about sport of footbag, the increase and growth of clubs and tournaments around the world, the athletes pushing the envelope in each discipline...then i call it Footbag. Since the promotion of the footbag as a sport requires making a distinction; hacking the sack around for fun vs. training oneself to reach higher and higher artistic and athletic goals ... then it becomes important to call it footbag. Particularly since the evolving public perception is already beginning to see these terms as describing the difference between kickers fragrant with patchouli ... and those reeking of "Deep Heat" :-) juliet p.s. okay, yeah i also hear a lot of "foot - what?" from people when i try to explain the game ... but hey i don't think i could've said "Ultra" with a straight face if that name had survived! From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 24 00:41:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA02865 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:41:22 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA02861 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:41:21 GMT Received: from heb401@airmail.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2858) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA02856 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:41:20 GMT Received: from default from [207.136.48.154] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.229) with smtp for id ; Tue, 23 Dec 97 18:41:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34A05AF4.6B2@airmail.net> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:44:36 -0600 From: "Alfredo Santesteban, M.D." Organization: A B C & F Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: footbag-digest V1 #18 References: <199712102350.XAA04239@eniac.yak.net.taz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org owner-footbag-digest@majordomo.footbag.org wrote: > > footbag-digest Wednesday, 10 December 1997 Volume 01 : Number 018 > > In this issue: > > [footbag] Re: footbag-digest V1 #7 > [footbag] Demise exaggerated... > Re: [footbag] Demise exaggerated... > > See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the footbag > or footbag-digest mailing lists. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Lori & Ian > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 06:11:53 -0500 (EST) > Subject: [footbag] Re: footbag-digest V1 #7 > > >Hello this is a message to any and all who wish to or have been trying to > >talk > >to Juliet Pendray. Her modem recently broke and she is without access to her > >mail. This situation will continue indefinitely. In the meantime rest > >assured > >that she is not being rude or snubbing anyone in particular. Urgent messages > >can be relayed thru me, or you can just wait as I am sure she will make it > >obvious when she returns online. > > Wooo - crash saga > > Urgent - send monies to Jooliet's modem relief fund. This keyboard > comando should not be without a vechile for expression. The chuckles, > insights and soft cynisism she provides are are an intergral part of the > footbag digest. If monies are not possible - I'm sure get up and running > cards will do. > > It's been a while since I've read any mail -ie July/97. Having babies > diverts the attention, but the feet still kick on. > > Lori DiMonte > > ------------------------------ > > From: "J. Pendray" > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:45:46 +0000 > Subject: [footbag] Demise exaggerated... > > > Wooo - crash saga > > Urgent - send monies to Jooliet's modem relief fund. > > Nope - gotta spankin new modem now - but thank you for the compliments > Angel-Woman! Good to have you back on the list!!! > > :-) > juliet > > p.s. So ... when's the Toronto Footbag Tournament, huh?-huh?-huh?! > > > ------------------------------ > > From: Angela B > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 18:15:47 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) > Subject: Re: [footbag] Demise exaggerated... > > On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, J. Pendray wrote: > > > p.s. So ... when's the Toronto Footbag Tournament, huh?-huh?-huh?! > > > > Yeah I highly agree that one of those is necessary.... seeing as how > Toronto is the only city anywhere near me and I feel a desperate desire to > play some net... Hmmm... Lori you don't happen to have an indoor site do > ya?? > > Wishing she could crash a net or something > Angela B > > ------------------------------ > > End of footbag-digest V1 #18 > **************************** > > To subscribe to footbag-digest, send the command: > > subscribe footbag-digest > > in the body of a message to "Majordomo@footbag.org". If you want > to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, > such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the > "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-footbag": > > subscribe footbag-digest local-footbag@your.domain.net > > A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to > subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "footbag-digest" > in the commands above with "footbag". Hello: Please unsuscribe me. Thank you heb401@airmail.net From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 24 01:19:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA03039 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 01:18:57 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA03035 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 01:18:54 GMT Received: from dlb@pss.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (3032) Received: from Market.NET ([140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA03030 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 01:18:54 GMT Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18699 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:18:23 -0800 Received: from green (golux.vip.best.com [206.184.163.59]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id RAA21204 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:17:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971224011205.00990064@shell3.ba.best.com> X-Sender: golux@shell3.ba.best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:12:05 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: david lazar Butcher Subject: Re: [footbag] What's in a name? Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org As is usually the case with these sorts of debates... I go with 'what Joooliet said'! david P.S. In fact, I say we give her a byline... From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 25 04:29:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA02999 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 04:28:22 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA02995 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 04:28:20 GMT Received: from baglady@sirius.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (2992) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA02990 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 1997 04:28:15 GMT Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26130 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 20:28:20 -0800 Received: from [205.134.230.33] (ppp-asfn-a--033.sirius.net [205.134.230.33]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id UAA19486 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 20:28:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 20:34:06 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: baglady@sirius.com (sam) Subject: [footbag] what's in a name. Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org hey all- sam here. i must say i can't believe there are people out there who want to go back to using the name hacky sack. a name fully associated with a bunch of stoners and metal heads standing in a circle with a beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other (for counter balance), kicking passers by with their combat boots while cutting class. nothing wrong with that, it's how i started 15 years ago.( it took me years to retrain my balance to compensate for the lack of a cigarette). but i evolved and so did the sport, into footbag. one of the best lines i've heard when explaining what i do is "hacky sack, isn't that one of those bags they give you on the airplane when you have to puke?". after ten years of saying "no, hacky sack is a brand name. the sport is called footbag...", i don't want to abandon the name just cuz it's easier to expain hack. (is it really easier to say "yeah it's hacky sack only we catch the bag, not kick it, to music" or "...like that only week kick it over a net."?) you're going to have to explain it anyway, so don't even bother with the whole hacky sack part. or perhaps a little explaination of the difference between hackers and footbag players (and a short demo) is exactly what that poor uneducated person needs. the more people we tell about our own little god, the more believers there will be. they must be shown the light. if they have a video camera, think of it as a way to show them and all their friends and family the light as well... thanks for listening, sam ps. scott and val, the reason i was going to vegas was cuz you all were gonna be there, bummer... From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 27 18:10:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA00590 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:09:57 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA00586 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:09:56 GMT Received: from baglady@sirius.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (583) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA00581 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:09:55 GMT Received: from mail1.sirius.com (mail1.sirius.com [205.134.253.131]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05958 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 10:09:56 -0800 Received: from [205.134.230.33] (ppp-asfn-a--010.sirius.net [205.134.230.10]) by mail1.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id KAA24737 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 10:09:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 10:15:44 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: baglady@sirius.com (sam) Subject: [footbag] team freestyle Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org hey everyone- i have an idea and i want to know what you all think... in order for me (and Lisa) to feel challenged in team free we must compete in open. i love that challenge,feed off it and need it to keep my drive over the long haul. so here's my dilema. by competing in open, we cut the women's pool to so few teams there are barely enough to have an event. i don't want to be pushing women forward by competing in open and, at the same time, cutting them back by not entering womens. my solution?..until there are more women competing in team, i would like to compete in both women's and open with different partners.i would love to encourage other expierenced team people to do the same. my little way of recruiting (really need spellcheck), much needed new women players. i don;t care about overall points (although, i do believe if one wins open free, one should get open free overall points), i'll judge extra, whatever. i don't want to see women's team free die because we move on... done with self limitations, sam From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 27 18:40:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA00644 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:40:02 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA00640 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:40:01 GMT Received: from aloe@intouch.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (635) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA00633 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 18:40:00 GMT Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (srv1.reelwest.bc.ca [207.194.197.99]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06088 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 10:39:57 -0800 Received: from 207.194.197.154 (unverified [207.194.197.154]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 27 Dec 1997 10:39:06 -0800 Message-ID: <34A4DA8B.3BBB@intouch.bc.ca> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 10:38:06 +0000 From: "J. Pendray" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] team freestyle References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hiya Sam! Well, although my non-stylers opinion carries little weight on this subject specifically ... i just wanted to add that i find a similar dilemma in net at the smaller tournaments. In some instances i would prefer to play in the intermediate category in an event, but feel an obligation to play in womens in order to help ensure that the women's event *does* run at that tournament. Under the circumstances, until there are more women competing, I would hope that more tourney directors would consider allowing women to compete in both categories, whether womens&intermediate or womens&open. As it stands, a womens net categories at smaller tourneys have pools that contain women whose skill level ranges from novice to open! Which (although playing is always fun) is not competitively appealing to any concerned. kicking and grinning, juliet From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 29 15:15:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00192 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:13:48 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00188 for footbag@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:13:46 GMT Received: from tinalewi@onr.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (185) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00183 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:13:41 GMT Received: from sierra.onr.com (sierra.onr.com [199.1.90.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16162 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 07:13:41 -0800 Received: from onramp7-3.onr.com (TINA.mlo@onramp7-3.onr.com [199.1.90.237]) by sierra.onr.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11844; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 09:14:48 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34A7BE4E.4D476B8@onr.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 09:14:24 -0600 From: Tina Lewis Organization: Mueller Law Offices X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam CC: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] team freestyle X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Sam - I think you should be allowed to play in both if time allows. If you have to choose youshould always play to the highest skill level you can regardless of whether or not you can play in the women's division or not. Even if you can't compete in women's in some tournaments it may actually encourage the more timid freestylers to compet in open for a better chance at the place you guys leave open. :-). As a tournament director I can tell you that its pretty difficult to do in net because of timing issues and I'm sure there are issues in freestyle with judging etc. At small tournaments like ours in Austin we can usually accomodate everyone and the women just have to be flexible and play the women's matches when the other brackets allow. It doesn't seem such a problem with freestyle but may be. As far as overall points - I always felt that you should get points for everything you enter - especially mixed net. But there are always arguments about men not being able to find good partners and putting 3 events from one specialty in the overall rankings. The same argument can be made for mixed team and also to some extent to all team or doubles events. If you lived in player starved parts of the country you just don't have the opportunity to hook up with or practice with your best partner as much as you would like. Personally I think the glory of women ranking up in the men's division far outweighs any overall points or rankings. You guys are awesome and a blast to watch. (Another argument for allowing competition in more events! :-). Happy New Year. tina. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 29 15:18:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00214 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 15:18:31 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00