From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Oct 6 19:39:07 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA21000 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:39:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15649 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:14:40 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA24747 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:14:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx7-22.ix.netcom.com(207.94.122.150) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024733; Tue Oct 6 14:14:19 1998 Message-ID: <361A6D83.71E@utdallas.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:20:35 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] yet another Texas State update... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Oh yeah... Eli mentioned a while back not to bother with long sleeves in Texas in October. One thing about Texas weather is that you can't be sure. Yesterday, highs were in the upper 90's. Today, highs are in the upper 60's. The 5 day outlook did say that around tournament time, highs would stay in the 60's, but now it says that highs will be in the upper 80's. Either way, there is no rain in the forcast. For weather info that is as good as you can get it, go to http://www.weather.com/weather/us/cities/TX_Austin.html I hope it stays in the 70's or 80's, but you should be prepared for 60's and 90's also. I want to see all of Y'ALL here in a few days. -D From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Oct 7 05:39:50 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA28483 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 05:39:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20906 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:08:51 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA07859 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:08:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx7-22.ix.netcom.com(207.94.122.150) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma007825; Tue Oct 6 20:08:09 1998 Message-ID: <361AC07B.F11@utdallas.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 20:14:35 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Texas State update. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Ok. The 1998 Texas State Footbag Championships are THIS WEEKEND! So far, we have freestyle covered with: Eli Piltz (yes, he *should* have many copies of Rye Shred for $15), "Teva" Dave Holton, Kyle Crawford, "Big Add" Chad D., and a lot of up and coming freestylers. And, net (women's net should be great) Amy Westberg and the local favorite, Tina Lewis, should really get to battle it out. For men's net, we have Chris "Gator" Routh(sp?), Steve Goldberg, James Roberts, James Harley, and others that I just don't know about yet. It should be a great tournament. Now for details on FRIDAY afternoon: At around 6pm, the early arrivals will be meeting at the tournament site - Zilker Park - for a pre tournament shred / net session. I don't know if net courts need to be painted or anything like that, but I'm sure if you get there earlier, you can find some way to help out. When it gets too dark to play, we will go down the street to a place called Chewy's (that might be misspelled) for beer and good food. After that, who knows... See you all there. -D From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Oct 11 04:55:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA27191 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:55:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from opus.vcn.bc.ca (marigold@opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22576 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:39:17 -0700 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by opus.vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA19564 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 20:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Verhoef Anne To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] The media (once again) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey everyone, I was watching AFV (America's Funniest Videos) today and they aired a clip of some people kicking a hacky-sack around. The bag went over the their fence and into the neighbour's yard. Since the fence was six feet high and they didn't want to trespass, they lowered their dog in on a harness. The dog walked around the yard and picked up the bag and they pulled the dog back up again. This video ended up being the $10 000 winner of the show. All the guys were interviewed about the video at the end of the show and right when I thought the show was over, the male host of the show said as the show ended: "I'm glad something good finally came out of a hacky sack game in this country." GRRRRRRRR.... oh well, that's the media for ya, Adrian V. --marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Oct 14 15:11:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA08638 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:11:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA09494 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 05:45:47 -0700 Received: from acsdallas.com (ppp16-57.dllstx.onramp.net [206.50.201.184]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA22713 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:45:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from james [144.19.62.4] by acs_dc [144.19.62.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP3.R) for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:48:25 -0500 Received: by james with Microsoft Mail id <01BDF746.0CD1F660@james>; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:41:27 -0500 Message-ID: <01BDF746.0CD1F660@james> From: James Roberts To: "'Footbag'" Subject: [footbag] TX State Footbag Championships Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:41:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: footbag@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id NAA27306 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Muchas gracias to Tina Lewis, the Austinites, and all of you that made the long haul to TX for this classic event. The weather couldn't have been better. For those that missed it, don't forget to put it on your calendar for next yr. - October. JR From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Oct 16 03:00:53 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA26393 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 03:00:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from [209.20.0.136] (209-20-0-136.dialin.interlog.com [209.20.0.136]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA23485 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810160237.WAA23485@smtp.interlog.com> Subject: Re: [footbag] The media (once again) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 22:37:11 -0000 x-sender: chamonte@mail.interlog.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Lori & Ian To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >I was watching AFV (America's Funniest Videos) today and they aired a clip >of some people kicking a hacky-sack around. The bag went over the >their fence and into the neighbour's yard. Since the fence was six feet >high and they didn't want to trespass, they lowered their dog in on a >harness. The dog walked around the yard and picked up the bag and they >pulled the dog back up again. This video ended up being the $10 000 >winner of the show. Hey have these people been approached as future sponsors? Better yet, they could hold the next worlds and perhaps replace golf with doggie go fetch the bag, or bungie to the bag. Only in America From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Oct 17 05:39:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA29077 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 05:39:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA27238 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:13:24 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA14976 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:13:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx48-01.ix.netcom.com(198.211.45.65) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma014842; Sat Oct 17 00:12:44 1998 Message-ID: <362828D0.5315@utdallas.edu> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:19:12 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Regional tournaments. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I know that regional tournaments are open to all players. But, what I was wondering is this: Are the regions defined? I know that there are annual Western, Southern, and Midwestern Regional tournaments. Are certain states in certain regions? Or are the tournaments just called regional tournaments because of seeding issues at worlds? I've been curious about this for a while, but just thought to ask. Any answers would be appreciated. I'm assuming that if regions are defined, it would be IFAB that defines them? Or would it be the as of yet uncreated USFAB? Is there an annual Canadian Regional tournament? Or Eastern regional? How many regions are there currently? Again, I'm just curious. Later. -Derric Scalf From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Oct 17 07:08:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA21794 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 07:08:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA27931 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:44:47 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA02002; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 01:44:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcp83.atext.com(206.66.71.83) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001996; Sat Oct 17 01:43:45 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <362828D0.5315@utdallas.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:44:16 -0700 To: scalf@utdallas.edu From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] Regional tournaments. Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Okay, Derric, you asked.. Now you have to read the whole thing! :-) At 12:19 AM -0500 10/17/98, Derric Scalf wrote: >I know that regional tournaments are open to all players. But, what I >was wondering is this: Are the regions defined? Yes and no. See below. >I know that there are >annual Western, Southern, and Midwestern Regional tournaments. Are >certain states in certain regions? Or are the tournaments just called >regional tournaments because of seeding issues at worlds? The term "regional" is currently just a vestige of the sponsorship program that Hacky Sack set up through the WFA for many years. The value of a tournament in terms of seeding is really more about the number and quality of players attending, not the name. The Worlds is really only supposed to consider "sanctioned" events; an event can be sanctioned without being part of the "regionals" series, as a point of clarification. Now, here's that history lesson: Until recently, Hacky Sack (at one point Kransco, then Mattel, now Wham-O) gave money to regional tournaments which were defined as the largest and best-organized sanctioned tournaments, generally in different parts of the U.S. There was never a formal distinction made in the yearly sanctioning process, but WFA basically selected the events that would be part of the program. Who "gets to run" a regional has rarely been an issue since it's hard enough as it is to find people to run tournaments. :-) Especially sanctioned ones of a high enough caliber to merit the Hacky Sack sponsorship cash. But today, this model is kind of falling apart (no, I'm not spreading doom and gloom -- just the truth). Things may change again soon, but for now, the Hacky Sack sponsorship is in the air for the coming year, and the clarity around who is supposed to administer the regional series and who in general is supposed to be sanctioning events is lacking. The IFAB is and will continue to be the international sanctioning and rules body for the sport, but the IFAB is currently just a committee with no offices, no mailing address, and no phone. So IFAB relies on other organizations to administer sanctioning and to oversee sponsorship programs that span tournaments. For years, the WFA was the main company that administered sanctioning programs for IFAB. They dealt with all sorts of other similar issues, until they were forced to focus their business in the last year just to stay afloat. My website mostly confused that issue, since by having a central on-line presence representing the organized footbag sport, I had kind of replicated part of WFA's work (disseminating information to the footbag public and coordinating communication among players and fans). People started confusing my website with the WFA and with a sanctioning and organizing body, and nobody really knew where to turn for which type of information. I tried to funnel folks to the WFA for things where that made sense, but at this point, the sport is undergoing a major change and many of the roles I think are really required to keep things going smoothly are currently unfilled (though many people mistakenly think either I or WFA are filling those roles). I had been promoting the idea of a new sanctioning body for US events called USA Footbag, but my recent change of lifestyle (from unemployed to busier than ever before in my life) has really put a damper on those plans. So until I find time and/or others start signing up to help administer such a program, we are kind of just coasting. One thing is for sure -- people have never really quite understood the value of an organization such as WFA who have a phone number and a staff of employees who are just focussing on footbag and who are willing to do things like collect sanctioning applications and administer nationwide sponsorship programs. >I'm assuming that if regions are defined, it >would be IFAB that defines them? Naw. The idea is that the IFAB sanctions events, ensures that seeding points make sense so that the World Championships have some basis for seeding, and owns the Worlds as it moves among local organization groups. (But even that oversight is kind of weak right now, since there's really no formal organization to it.) >Is there an annual Canadian Regional tournament? Or Eastern >regional? How many regions are there currently? Again, I'm just >curious. There are no Canadian regionals, because the concept of a regional tournament series, which really started with WFA's early sponsorship and promotion projects, was for the U.S. This is mostly of course because footbag didn't exist in Canada at the time the series was created. :-) How many regionals are there? *7* Who currently runs a regional? Well, let's see: Eastern Regionals -- FAKE Footbag Club / DC All Stars -- College Park, MD / DC Heartland Regionals -- FEET Footbag Club -- Last in Bolivar, MO Midwest Regionals -- MFA -- Chicago, IL area Southern Regionals -- Dallas Footbag Club -- Dallas, TX Western Regionals -- BAFL -- SF Bay Area, California Funtastik Summer Classic* -- Funtastik -- Harrisburg, Pennsylvania U.S. Open** -- Sole Purpose (defunct club) -- Portland, OR *Added in '96. **Possibly unowned for '99 since Sole Purpose has been disbanded. The way I look at it, footbag is a hierarchical sport. There are *lots* of smaller tournaments, sanctioned or not, that are run for the players and mostly as a way to promote footbag in the local area. Those smaller tournaments are not for the public; not for the press; just for the players and the local club. Then, there are "regional" tournaments, which are larger and more aimed at promoting the sport in general, hoping to attract some level of media and a high caliber of player (and to prepare players for Worlds). Finally, there's Worlds which is the only *professional* event in the sport. It's basically the showcase we'd want national and international media to cover as a way to promote the sport world-wide, and the event with the most players at the highest caliber in the sport. As it turns out, the events I've listed above are *mostly* in that space of being largeish tournaments with the potential to promote the sport and to attract good media. This is really because of luck that the organizers have spent the time to organize and advertise the events to make sure they retain their appeal for players and public alike. Hand-offs may happen from year to year, where a regional tournament may move from one club or director to another. Nobody's really tracking this stuff; it's kind of just an agreement among the possible owners of a tournament's name as to whether or not they'll move it. Wouldn't it be nice to have more organization so we wouldn't have so many places where things can go wrong, and so we can all benefit from economies of scale and shared burden?... Would folks jump on a bandwagon if it rolled by? Will WFA return to fill the void until some other structure emerges? Do you hate rhetorical questions? Tune in to this mailing list for the latest updates on these and other questions. :-) Okay, well, I may have missed something in my dissertation above, but I think that about covers it for now. :-) Steve From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Oct 18 07:28:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA03864 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 07:28:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: (qmail 3447 invoked from network); 18 Oct 1998 00:58:07 -0000 Received: from pop.thegrid.net (209.162.1.5) by smtp.thegrid.net with SMTP; 18 Oct 1998 00:58:07 -0000 Received: from cleere (lax-ts1-h1-40-201.ispmodems.net [209.162.40.201]) by pop.thegrid.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA12443 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: "Scott Cleere" From: "Scott Cleere" To: Subject: [footbag] Re: footbag-digest V1 #163 Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:08:34 -0700 Message-ID: <01bdfa33$d441cc80$c928a2d1@cleere> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Good summation Steve. We are lucky to have the people we have who continue to organize the sport. My memory has it that we did regional events with the hopes that some day there would be a qualifying process for worlds. The Hacky Sack sponsorship element was the driving force behind regionalizing. There was a time when organizers lobbied for certain regional titles. The Intermountain Regional was arguably one of the best, now defunct. There is a lot to be said for the small events. Fun, low key, easy-to-manage events with less than 30 players seem to hold that "family" type energy. The stuff that makes the glue for the larger, extended community. When I was actively running events I got caught up in the bigger is better, but more isn't always more better. It's more work for sure. I think I have had the most fun at events that focused on one event (e.g. doubles net, freestyle) and didn't go to all the "we gotta get sponsored" kind of effort. I am not suggesting that we only do small events, just want to emphasize that small is good. Big is good, too. If we can do more small events, more people will have an opportunity to participate in the organized side of footbag. A final note on sanctioning. It is about sponsorship to some extent, but more importantly, it is to ensure that we are all on the same page with respect to rules (how 'bout that contact above the net rule), so that when we arrive at the "big events" we know what to expect. p.s. Footbag was happening in Canada when the regional divisions were occurring; and the predecessor to Kransco was Kenncorp..F.Y.I. historically Scott Cleere From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Oct 21 03:48:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA29066 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 03:48:14 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from excitepost.co.uk (excitepost.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA19465 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:36:50 -0700 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailexcite.com; Tue Oct 20 17:36:08 1998 To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 17:36:08 -0700 From: "Ariel Santesteban" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: [footbag] Name those shoes X-Sender-Ip: 143.166.99.44 Organization: MailExcite (http://www.mailexcite.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Please somebody help me out. What is the name of those green & white Nike Air Cross-trainers that are so popular with net players. Thank you --- Ariel Santesteban drmars@mailexcite.com -- I continued to hack several more times -- Suffocation Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Oct 22 00:42:57 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA08297 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 00:42:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from sims-ha.videotron.net (faure.videotron.net [205.151.222.100]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01962 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:18:40 -0700 Received: from [207.96.132.136] (ppp136.132.mmtl.videotron.net) by sims-ha.videotron.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.07.14.10.43) with SMTP id <0F1700LJ94GQCR@sims-ha.videotron.net> for footbag@footbag.org; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:20:26 -0500 From: Martin Cote Subject: Re: [footbag] Name those shoes X-Sender: vlwobrie@pop.videotron.ca To: footbag@footbag.org Message-id: <0F1700LJH4GSCR@sims-ha.videotron.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >Please somebody help me out. What is the name of those green & white Nike >Air Cross-trainers that are so >popular with net players. Thank you I think you're talking about the "nike undestruct" or something like that. It's a couple years old model and it should be difficult to find now, unless you find them second hand. I don't know if you're looking to buy new net shoes or that it was just a quiz question, but if you're looking for new shoes take a look at "Brooks HydroFlow ST Beast". I just bought those shoes couple weeks ago and they're the best shoes i ever had. The problem with net shoes is to find one with good flat inside. (Flat outside are easy to find) And those are the flattest i ever seen. When you see them at the store they don't look flat. They are bumpy but the overall surface is flat. And it's really easy to sand those bump off. Anyway it's just a suggestion Martin Cote From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Oct 23 18:06:24 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA30199 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 18:06:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from atlrel2.hp.com (atlrel2.hp.com [156.153.255.202]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01024 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:36:28 -0700 Received: from ssc126e.cup.hp.com (ssc126e.cup.hp.com [15.13.174.165]) by atlrel2.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id NAA18800 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jsymons@localhost) by ssc126e.cup.hp.com (8.7.1/8.7.3 TIS Messaging 5.0) id KAA11529 for footbag@footbag.org; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:36:25 -0700 (PDT) From: jsymons@cup.hp.com (Julie Symons) Message-Id: <981023103625.ZM11527@ssc126e.cup.hp.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 10:36:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: Call for Events MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Speaking of Events for next year... Has anyone heard when worlds is going to be? Getting anxious, Julie -- ============================================================= *** /_ __*** Julie Symons jsymons@cup.hp.com ** / //_/ ** Hewlett-Packard Company HPSD/PASL *** / *** Phone: 1-408-447-0994 Fax: 1-408-447-1345 ============================================================= From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Oct 26 16:37:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA18711 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:37:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from postal.interaccess.com (postal.interaccess.com [207.70.126.134]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12447 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:12:07 -0800 Received: from [204.148.145.185] (d185.focal11.interaccess.com [204.148.145.185]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA10658; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:01:20 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <981023103625.ZM11527@ssc126e.cup.hp.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:03:46 -0500 To: jsymons@cup.hp.com (Julie Symons), footbag@footbag.org From: "Scott Davidson) " Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: Call for Events Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Julie and Footbaggers! >Has anyone heard when worlds is going to be? We are still negotiating for that killer site. If we get the killer site, it will be at the end of June and if we settle for our 2nd choice site, it will be at the end of July. We will make a huge announcement as soon as we know anything on this subject. Thank you. Scott Davidson, Director 99WorldsChicago From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Oct 26 16:46:57 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA18862 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:46:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from postal.interaccess.com (postal.interaccess.com [207.70.126.134]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12447 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:12:07 -0800 Received: from [204.148.145.185] (d185.focal11.interaccess.com [204.148.145.185]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA10658; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:01:20 -0600 (CST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <981023103625.ZM11527@ssc126e.cup.hp.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:03:46 -0500 To: jsymons@cup.hp.com (Julie Symons), footbag@footbag.org From: "Scott Davidson" Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: Call for Events Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Julie and Footbaggers! >Has anyone heard when worlds is going to be? We are still negotiating for that killer site. If we get the killer site, it will be at the end of June and if we settle for our 2nd choice site, it will be at the end of July. We will make a huge announcement as soon as we know anything on this subject. Thank you. Scott Davidson, Director 99WorldsChicago