From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Feb 3 08:41:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id IAA19173 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:41:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f From: JCobbjim@aol.com Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA05984 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:14:07 -0800 Received: from JCobbjim@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DYMLa07017 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 03:13:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 03:13:43 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [footbag] What do you call that? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey net heads (pun intended) So do you know how the average Joe (or josephenia) comes by the court and asks, "What do you call that game?"? Well, I'd like to use this wonderful forum of Steve's to ask, for the benefit of the sport, insofar it as it interacts with the moniker manic public, and perhaps, insofar as language is an important aspect of visualization ( which I hear tell is quite more important to achievement than training in athletics), important to us as well: What do you call that kick anyway? Is there any difference between a "bringdown" a "pull down", and a "slapdown"? And why does a "mousetrap" need its own designation? Is a "toe jam" a standing kick while a "roll spike" is a jumping thing, or do you need to jump to execute a "toe jam"? Is a "vanilla swirl" anything like like a "snackwell", or for that matter a "chunky monkey"? What's the difference between a "scuff" and a "knife"? What's the difference between a "sunback" and a "toe reverse" and simple "flick"? What the heck is that thing???? Oh yeah, and what makes a "rat toe dink" ? Does anybody really care? kickin'it in a 'big' way Jim From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Feb 3 17:11:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA15884 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:11:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com ([207.46.181.31]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10446 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:40:14 -0800 Received: from default - 208.255.148.39 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:39:52 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01be4f95$5e2113a0$2794ffd0@default> From: "Tina Lewis" To: , Subject: Re: [footbag] What do you call that? Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:50:54 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Oh no! are we gonna have the same crazy discussions as those freestylers?? :-) If you aren't on the freestyle list you might want to see what goes on thru the archives. Pretty technical stuff! I guess we don't have to assign adds or anything so its not that bigga deal. For color commentary it might be a good idea to have a consensus on what stuff is called! :-) tina. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Feb 3 17:11:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA15878 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:11:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (srv1.reelwest.bc.ca [207.194.197.99]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA10102 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:53:34 -0800 Received: from 207.194.197.205 (unverified [207.194.197.205]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 03 Feb 1999 07:52:54 -0800 Message-ID: <36B80156.54B7@intouch.bc.ca> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 07:57:11 +0000 From: "Juliet Pendray" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] What do you call that? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey All! > What the heck is that thing???? Yeah Jim I care... and I also care to ask - whatsa mousetrap? Please describe :-) The only definite answer i have is that bring down, pull down and slapdown are all the same thing....tho the latter you could use to describe a particularly fast one i spose. Also, my current frustration in conversation and description is that pretty much all scuffs are called scuffs. Definitely need some terms to distinguish, if only to pump up my personal bragfest heheheh. > Oh yeah, and what makes a "rat toe dink" ? what makes a rat do anything - i dunno. Kickin in the mud, Scrappy From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Feb 3 17:21:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA16491 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:21:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f From: Becca English-Ross Received: from falcon.continet.com (falcon.continet.com [206.58.168.254]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10610 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:55:27 -0800 Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.58.32.34]) by falcon.continet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-37968U4500L350S0) with SMTP id AAE208 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:08:00 -0800 X-Sender: freefloe@continet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] New model Hackey Sack Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:08:00 -0800 Message-ID: <19990203170749062.AAE208@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Chad D. wrote; >I was actually used as a double for the actor, Freddie Prinze, Jr.. >The footbag I am using is a prototype for the new line of "Hacky Sack" >brand footbags. Was this a Flying Clipper bag? They recently licensed a couple of their designs to Hackey Sack. Have folks been seeing them in stores? I know they ordered a lot to start, then some more. Dennis and I are in the first Flying Clipper commercial. Almost daily someone tells me they've seen it. It's been airing locally on The Simpsons, MTV, ESPN, King of the Hill etc. Becca From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Feb 3 17:26:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA16571 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:26:08 GMT Received: from melete.ch.intel.com (melete.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.25]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10640 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:58:07 -0800 Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by melete.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 1998/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id JAA11940 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:58:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from arc011.ch.intel.com (arc011.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.30]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sedona.m4,v 1.3 1998/10/20 22:13:40 steved Exp steved $) with ESMTP id JAA23729 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:58:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (awestber@localhost) by arc011.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) with SMTP id JAA14191 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:58:05 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: arc011.ch.intel.com: awestber owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:58:05 -0700 (MST) From: Amy Westberg To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Nets and shirts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org All, There were two nets and two nice shirts left at the Phoenix tournament. Does anyone know who these belong to? Amy Intel, Corp. 5000 W. Chandler Blvd. Chandler, AZ 85226 From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Feb 3 23:49:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA11921 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:49:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12349 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:17:46 -0800 Received: from matt-s (207-172-35-156.s156.tnt9.brd.erols.com [207.172.35.156]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA27837 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:17:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004901be4faa$5ca367c0$6f21fea9@matt-s> From: "Matthew Quint" To: Subject: [footbag] What's in a name? Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:21:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Well, I am most pleased with the overall traffic going on lately :) Kudos to Chad and Becca and Steve and others who have been getting footbag some greater attention. Those of us here on the East Coast still suffer in near complete anonymity. As for the names for net spikes, what's in a name? Here in DC we have called a 'pulldown' an 'axe' (as in the karate kick) and a 'sweep' a 'windmill.' I believe that there is already a good batch of familiar names for the basic spikes, and we should allow any finer distinctions to remain creative. After all, everyone on the court has his or her own style with each spike anyway. OK, when the World Championship Finals are on ESPN then maybe our community should get 'technical.' On a final note, we here in DC are trying to get a permit to hold the East Coast Championships on The Mall this year!!!!!!! It should be sometime around mid-May or mid-June. I think anyone who has visited us can agree, The Mall is one of the best places in the US to kick. There is a broad array of space and monuments, and people from all over the world traipsing around every day. One of my favorite ever kicking experiences occurred when 20 giggling Japanese schoolgirls descend on us and played some Takraw. So, if you can, keep your calendars and check books open for it! Thanks. Matt Quint DC All-Stars From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Feb 4 01:45:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA17681 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 01:45:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16145 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:02:59 -0800 Received: from pipeline.com (user-38ld6us.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.155.220]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06743 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:03:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36B8E2B4.76A7B048@pipeline.com> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:58:44 -0800 From: Kurt Sonderegger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] What's in a Name Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org For clarification on the term "roll spike" - this comes from takraw lingo and is used as follows: Roll Spike, V, Spike in which the player jumps with his/her back to the net, jumps up, rotates in the air and kicks the ball over the opposite shoulder of the kicking foot with a flip like motion. The most dramatic move in he game. For a nice photo of this go to: http://www.sepaktakraw.com/gallery/show/agtmspk3.jpg Notice I use his/her back to the net, many of the Thai and other women takraw players are now roll spiking. To see, go to: I've seen only a couple of footbag players do this - both also play takraw - PT Lovern and Emannuel Bouchard. Another crossover footbag term is the Sunback Spike: Def: Sunback Spike, V, Spike in which the player jumps with his back to the net and kicks the ball over the same shoulder as the kicking foot. In soccer this is known as a "bicycle kick" or "bike" for short. The key difference is that the kicking foot strikes the ball over the SAME shoulder. This term was adopted from the Thai players when USA Takraw team members (all footbag net legends) Scott Cleere, Jimmy C, and Trudy Archdale and myself went to Thailand and trained with the Thai National players for 10 days or so. When asked, the Thai players actually called this style of spike a "sunback" - and it just stuck. Many footbag players are now using this spike effectively and I have heard this term used in the footbag community. To see a solid sunback, go to: http://www.sepaktakraw.com/gallery/show/agmalsbk.jpg Good to see footbag net players discussing terminology - terms come and go but some kind of common terms should be promoted for color commentary, promo write ups, web sites and media use. Cheers, Kurt Sonderegger USA Takraw Federation From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Feb 4 01:46:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA17697 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 01:46:09 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from dept.english.upenn.edu (DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU [130.91.75.246]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16570 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:25:50 -0800 Received: (from sunilj@localhost) by dept.english.upenn.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id TAA66466 for footbag@footbag.org; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:25:59 -0500 From: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) Message-Id: <199902040025.TAA66466@dept.english.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: [footbag] New model Hackey Sack Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:25:58 -0500 (EST) Cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <19990203170749062.AAE208@LOCALNAME> from "Becca English-Ross" at Feb 3, 99 09:08:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Said the Big Added One: > >I was actually used as a double for the actor, Freddie Prinze, Jr.. > >The footbag I am using is a prototype for the new line of "Hacky Sack" > >brand footbags. Said Becca: > > Dennis and I are in the first Flying Clipper commercial. Almost daily > someone tells me they've seen it. It's been airing locally on The Simpsons, > MTV, ESPN, King of the Hill etc. > Says Sunil: 2 questions... how long is the footbag segment in the movie? Also, can we get a more detailed description of the flying clipper commercial. Thanks! Sunil From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Feb 4 17:30:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA12895 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:30:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f From: KendallKIC@aol.com Received: from KendallKIC@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VESYa03472 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:23:36 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <4178856a.36b920c8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:23:36 EST To: footbag@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [footbag] Should I Resurect the Heart? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hello ya'll I was asked to do a fund raiser for the Sports Department of the Oregon Parks and Recreation Department. The site, photocopies and mailings will be free. Is there an interest for a freestyle and indoor net tournament Feb. 19-21/2000? Kendall KIC Tournament Director From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Feb 4 17:30:35 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA12915 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:30:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Message-ID: <19990204165525.7556.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.108.197.65] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:55:25 PST Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:55:25 -0800 (PST) From: cory current Subject: [footbag] Re: What do you call that? To: footbag@majordomo.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org hey everybody! If I may, I'll try to answer some Q's. Flames always appreciated; JCobbjim@aol.com wrote: > And why does a "mousetrap" need its own designation? As far as I know, no real difference between 'mousetrap' and pull down. It could just be a name that Hung Chang dubbed it. But.....if you look at Hung and Verdi's 'mousetrap', they tend to get a lot more 'snap' than most people. I've discussed this with Hung, and you don't really pull it down at all. You let your foot 'snap' and do all the work. To get the snap, you raise leg for pulldown, then at the last second you raise it a little more, while at the same time raising to the tips of your toes on your planted foot, almost reaching the point of hyper-extension. I know this don't sound all too safe, but this is the way it was described to me. So essentially, I guess there could be a difference between 'mousetrap' and pull down. Hung or P.T., and input would be appreciated > Is a "toe jam" a standing kick while a "roll spike" is a jumping thing, or do > you need to jump to execute a "toe jam"? You could do standing toe jam, hurts a lot more and requires much more flexibility than jumping toe jam. Again, look to Verdi & Chang for these as well. > Is a "vanilla swirl" anything like like a "snackwell", or for that matter a > "chunky monkey"? I prefer Archway mollases myself......but realy I don't know. I've heard of 'chunky monkey' but not the other two. I've only seen Pat Keenan and Pat Kelley (coincidence?) do the 'chunky monkey', which is best implemented in a service poach I guess. A double footed sole push. Don't ask how or why, you really had to be there. > What's the difference between a "scuff" and a "knife"? Same thing, i think > What's the difference between a "sunback" and a "toe reverse" and simple "flick"? If you're familiar with karate, a sunback is basically a double front snap kick, with you 'snapping' your toe at the last second to send the bag at light speed incredibly close to your face, over your shoulder. Again, prime examples, Verdi and Chang. Toe reverse is close to scuff, but you snap and hit with your toe instead of using your outside. > Oh yeah, and what makes a "rat toe dink" ? This *&%#'ing rat toe dink is the most effective shot that Steve Smith has against me. YOU HEAR THAT SMITH? I HATE IT!! Luckily, he doesn't do it that much, but it's a winner every time. Anyway, this is something I think Andrew Morgan glorified. It's like a flying toe golf putt. You look like your gonna do a fling sole push, but at the last second you just let the bag flop directly on your extended toe, and 'dink', it goes over the net. > Does anybody really care? Hey, we all care God, it really does feel like the freestyle list. Sorry if i went overboard. Just my $2 worth. (there's no cent symbol on the keyboard) later. == kick. Cory Current 1999 Chicago World's Director _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Feb 4 20:21:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA06049 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:21:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28581 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:20:35 -0800 Received: from ssc126e.cup.hp.com (ssc126e.cup.hp.com [15.13.174.165]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id KAA27164 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jsymons@localhost) by ssc126e.cup.hp.com (8.7.1/8.7.3 TIS Messaging 5.0) id KAA10724 for footbag@footbag.org; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:20:43 -0800 (PST) From: jsymons@cup.hp.com (Julie Symons) Message-Id: <990204102043.ZM10722@ssc126e.cup.hp.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:20:43 -0800 In-Reply-To: cory current "[footbag] Re: What do you call that?" (Feb 4, 8:55am) References: <19990204165525.7556.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: What do you call that? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Another 2-cents worth ... Toe Jam: It seems like some call it the "toe jam" while those in the East, or more specifically, Montreal, call it the "toe kick". Slice: I think the slice is an extreme form of the scuff - more down in front. Amy does a good slice. Rat Toe Dink: I thought it was the "toe rat". Meaning the guy is a rat cuz he's way up at the net and all he does (all he can do, usually because the set is out of reach) is get his toe in the path of the bag and it barely drops over. And yes, reminds me of Andrew Morgan. (not the being a rat part, Andrew ;)) Sun back: Two distinguishing parts of the sun back (IMO) are the jump and kind of a double pump, where you jump/lead with your other foot. Reverse toe: Between sun back on scuff. And what about the inside cross court dink or the lob to the baseline or the one back that slices out towards the middle of the left sideline? What about those shots where people are practically carrying the bag on their foot for a second or two. Like David Bernard III, he practically stalls the bag as he sweeps. Should we call that a "carry"? Ok, I've used up my 2 cents. Take it easy. Julie -- ============================================================= *** /_ __*** Julie Symons jsymons@cup.hp.com ** / //_/ ** Hewlett-Packard Company HPSD/PASL *** / *** Phone: 1-408-447-0994 Fax: 1-408-447-1345 ============================================================= From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Feb 5 05:54:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA27082 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 05:54:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com [24.2.10.66]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03204 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:18:32 -0800 Received: from cr1003236-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com ([24.113.51.39]) by mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990205041844.VNIR26548.mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com@cr1003236-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com> for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:18:44 -0800 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Andy Ronald" To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:18:45 -800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [footbag] Re: What's in a name Reply-to: mongooze@home.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19990205041844.VNIR26548.mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com@cr1003236-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Regarding sole offence. Sole push: An extension straight forward from the body powered mainly by a full leg extension. Pull Down: Close to the net (usually, unless you are Dennis Ross) reaching up fully extended and driving the entire leg downward through the bag. Mainly powered by the hamstring, and way too often leading to hamstring injury (eg. Borsky) improvements or just safer shots; Slap Down: Same shot but less follow through and more of a smack. Less strain on the hamstring but a little more erratic. Mousetrap: (Verdi's Pull Down) Instead of lifting an extended leg lift with the knee slightly bent. When full hammy extension is reached leg is cocked and ready. Still with one smooth motion fully extend the knee this will create a natural recoil in the knee joint. As that recoil builds drive the leg down and extend the ankle. The beauty of this shot is fully maximizing all of the legs power without overly straining any one joint or muscle. Ciao for now Andy :) From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Feb 5 07:41:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA32624 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 07:41:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (srv1.reelwest.bc.ca [207.194.197.99]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA04556 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:15:58 -0800 Received: from 207.194.197.159 (unverified [207.194.197.159]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 23:14:14 -0800 Message-ID: <36BA2AC8.118A@intouch.bc.ca> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 23:18:34 +0000 From: "Juliet Pendray" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: What's in a name (scuff fans) References: <19990205041844.VNIR26548.mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com@cr1003236-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org O.K. so far the sublime and stellar scuffs are getting ignored here (except for the slice, but that's a hybrid i would say) For example, how about the Punch: standing scuff, full ankle crank, bag contacting the outside of the foot, punching horizontal over the net. Eh?! -scrappy- From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sat Feb 6 00:44:59 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA02288 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 00:44:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11846 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:13:15 -0800 Received: from ssc126e.cup.hp.com (ssc126e.cup.hp.com [15.13.174.165]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id KAA07704 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jsymons@localhost) by ssc126e.cup.hp.com (8.7.1/8.7.3 TIS Messaging 5.0) id KAA29398 for footbag@footbag.org; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:13:30 -0800 (PST) From: jsymons@cup.hp.com (Julie Symons) Message-Id: <990205101329.ZM29396@ssc126e.cup.hp.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:13:29 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Juliet Pendray" "[footbag] Re: What's in a name (scuff fans)" (Feb 4, 11:18pm) References: <19990205041844.VNIR26548.mail.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com@cr1003236-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com> <36BA2AC8.118A@intouch.bc.ca> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Re: What's in a name (sole varieties) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I forgot another slight variant of the sole kick. The side kick - this is a sole kick with the foot parallel to the net aka side ways. Julie -- ============================================================= *** /_ __*** Julie Symons jsymons@cup.hp.com ** / //_/ ** Hewlett-Packard Company HPSD/PASL *** / *** Phone: 1-408-447-0994 Fax: 1-408-447-1345 ============================================================= From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Feb 8 02:11:23 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA31122 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:11:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com ([207.46.181.31]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10387 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:33:41 -0800 Received: from default - 208.254.222.85 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:33:16 -0800 From: "Steve & Juli Smith" To: "footbag@footbag.org" Subject: [footbag] Footbag on DVD Demo Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:35:54 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <0649d1633230729CPIMSSMTPU09@email.msn.com> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey All! This past week a friend got a new computer with a DVD player. The demo CD included a very brief clip of someone shredding, possibly in Central Park. It was a Dell computer, if that makes a difference. Anyone know who it might have been? We think it was either Tuan or Tu, just guessing by the shoes and legs. Steve & Juli Smith From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Feb 8 16:46:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA17175 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:46:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from wasecaps.waseca.k12.mn.us ([206.145.33.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA21818 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:12:02 -0800 Received: from WASECAPS.waseca.k12.mn.us([206.145.37.177]) by WASECAPS.WASECA.K12.MN.US (IBM OS/400 SMTP V04R02M00) with TCP; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:10:06 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990208091241.00799dc0@waseca.k12.mn.us> X-Sender: skagleon@waseca.k12.mn.us X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 09:12:41 -0600 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Leo Skagerberg Subject: [footbag] An intro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org hello everyone i'm new to the list, i've been playing for about three years and i'm from waseca, MN(not a good time to be playing as the ice can be hazardous, but..you know) for the past month i've been fighting my school to let us play indoors, they tell us that we'll break a window or kick someone. has anyone else had problems such as these with schools or other authority. please tell. any suggestions on how to get the freedom to play? also i was wondering what you people would recomend as the first trick to learn and practice. anyways. peace out leo From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Feb 9 09:10:29 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id JAA09903 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:10:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28538 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:34:22 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA236; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:34:34 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:34:34 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE5370.258D1C80.ewulff@jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'Steve & Juli Smith'" , "footbag@footbag.org" Subject: RE: [footbag] Footbag on DVD Demo Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:34:33 -0800 Organization: JSI Shipping X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 23 TEXT Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Steve, Tuan, Vince?, Tu, myself and perhaps some others did some filming for a DVD project in Central park about 3 or 4 years ago. Supposed to only be broadcast in Japan. This could be where the footage came from. Just Guessing... Eric -----Original Message----- From: Steve & Juli Smith [SMTP:hacky10@email.msn.com] Sent: Sunday, February 07, 1999 3:36 PM To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Footbag on DVD Demo Hey All! This past week a friend got a new computer with a DVD player. The demo CD included a very brief clip of someone shredding, possibly in Central Park. It was a Dell computer, if that makes a difference. Anyone know who it might have been? We think it was either Tuan or Tu, just guessing by the shoes and legs. Steve & Juli Smith From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Feb 9 09:10:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id JAA09916 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:10:54 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27107 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:02:36 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA06077 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:02:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx46-54.ix.netcom.com(198.211.44.182) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma005880; Mon Feb 8 15:01:36 1999 Message-ID: <36BF53B4.3E2B@utdallas.edu> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:14:28 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] An intro References: <3.0.5.32.19990208091241.00799dc0@waseca.k12.mn.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Leo Skagerberg wrote: > > for the past month i've been fighting my school to let us play indoors, > they tell us that we'll break a window or kick someone. has anyone else had > problems such as these with schools or other authority. please tell. If you have a good bag (facile Juice, Carol, Stork, etc), the best way to show that it won't break anything is to throw it as hard as you can up agaisnt a window. As long as you are using a decent footbag, it will be too soft to break anything. Get that point across - and ask VERY nicely. You shouldn't have any problems. > also i was wondering what > you people would recomend as the first trick to learn and practice. > The first trick is to learn your inside and outside kicks on both feet. Get to the point where you can do at least 20 insides on both feet and 20 outsides on both feet without dropping. Then, move up to toe stalls. Then, inside stalls, then clipper stalls, then mirages, around the worlds, and any other 2 add move on the moves list at footbag.org. Finish the twos and move on to the threes. Enjoy. -Derric [P.S. Editor's Note - the footbag@footbag.org list is for general discussion but the minute this begins to touch on how to do freestyle tricks, it must move off footbag@footbag.org and onto freestyle@footbag.org or into private e-mail. Thanks. -Steve] From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Feb 9 09:11:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id JAA09929 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:11:58 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f From: Nick Nethery Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29546 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:33:25 -0800 Received: from MagicElbow@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id ERAKa20554; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:15:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40453b88.36bf7001@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:15:13 EST To: skagleon@waseca.k12.mn.us, footbag@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [footbag] An intro Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org In a message dated 2/8/99 16.26.35, skagleon@waseca.k12.mn.us writes: <> I have this problem too. Apparently, in the 60s my school district banned them because all the hippies hacked, and you know all the teachers and stuff hated hippies. They just never changed it. But hacking is the least of my worries--we have a new dress code wherein facial hair is banned too. I had to SHAVE OFF MY GOATEE!!! This sucks!! My chin feels naked. Anyway, as far as the no-hacking rule, I just ignore it and I've gotten some warnings but nobody has bothered me. Why do adults always assume we want to make trouble? This is why I hate policemen so much. Anybody else have a comment on this? Nick "Bombtrack" Nethery From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Feb 9 09:12:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id JAA09945 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:12:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f163.hotmail.com [207.82.251.49]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA29819 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:00:10 -0800 Received: (qmail 29381 invoked by uid 0); 8 Feb 1999 23:59:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19990208235951.29380.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.25.108.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:59:51 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.25.108.130] From: "James Holt" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] An intro Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:59:51 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >for the past month i've been fighting my school to let us play indoors, hey I have had the same problem. for about 3 months we got kicked out side for playing. so we marched into the principles office and showed him that we have enough control and skill not to break any thing so after that he told the other teachers to back off. good luck James ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Feb 9 09:12:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id JAA09948 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:12:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from steroid.ecst.csuchico.edu (steroid.ecst.csuchico.edu [132.241.4.16]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA31270 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:02:16 -0800 Received: (qmail 22687 invoked by uid 15933); 8 Feb 1999 18:02:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:02:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Tara R. Ohr" To: Leo Skagerberg cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] An intro In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990208091241.00799dc0@waseca.k12.mn.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I started a club at my school so that I was able to reserve places to lay indoors. You might want to think about started up an organization for presidence. As for the tricks, first learn the basics and then go from there. I just started doing tricks that looked fun to do. Tara On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Leo Skagerberg wrote: > hello everyone i'm new to the list, i've been playing for about three years > and i'm from waseca, MN(not a good time to be playing as the ice can be > hazardous, but..you know) > > for the past month i've been fighting my school to let us play indoors, > they tell us that we'll break a window or kick someone. has anyone else had > problems such as these with schools or other authority. please tell. any > suggestions on how to get the freedom to play? also i was wondering what > you people would recomend as the first trick to learn and practice. > > anyways. > peace out > leo > From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Feb 9 18:05:54 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA20469 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:05:54 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Message-id: Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:47:23 -0500 Subject: [footbag] Re: An intro To: footbag@majordomo.footbag.org From: twalsh@uts.oise.utoronto.ca (Tom Walsh) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >hello everyone i'm new to the list, i've been playing for about three >years >and i'm from waseca, MN(not a good time to be playing as the ice can be >hazardous, but..you know) > >for the past month i've been fighting my school to let us play indoors, >they tell us that we'll break a window or kick someone. has anyone else >had >problems such as these with schools or other authority. please tell. any >suggestions on how to get the freedom to play? also i was wondering what >you people would recomend as the first trick to learn and practice. > >anyways. >peace out >leo Yeah, we had the same problem. We had an evil math teacher who repeatedly confiscated our bags (and coincidentally also gave me the lowest math mark I've ever had. Our solution was to do a project on the sport where we'll teach our physed class a bit about it and some basic stuff. This way whenever we see our phys-ed teachers and we're not playing they give us trouble and when teh other teachers come by we can tell them it's for school. It will also help us to get some new people. I don't know if this is any help, but it worked for us. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Feb 9 18:06:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA20478 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:06:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from wasecaps.waseca.k12.mn.us ([206.145.33.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA06550 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:10:40 -0800 Received: from WASECAPS.waseca.k12.mn.us([206.145.37.177]) by WASECAPS.WASECA.K12.MN.US (IBM OS/400 SMTP V04R02M00) with TCP; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:08:51 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990209091127.0079f3d0@waseca.k12.mn.us> X-Sender: skagleon@waseca.k12.mn.us X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 09:11:27 -0600 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Leo Skagerberg Subject: [footbag] update In-Reply-To: <19990208235951.29380.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org hey thanx all for the ideas! last night we had a ten person circle going and the principal happened to come out and watch and way it sounds we might get something organized to play against other schools! if that doesn't work i think i'll use the throw up against a window idea, but thanx again. leo From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Feb 9 22:12:28 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA00191 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:12:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (ifogle@coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12609 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:35:33 -0800 Received: (from ifogle@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA05331; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:35:46 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:35:46 -0600 (CST) From: Ida Bettis Fogle X-Sender: ifogle@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: Nick Nethery cc: skagleon@waseca.k12.mn.us, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] An intro In-Reply-To: <40453b88.36bf7001@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Nick Nethery wrote: > > Why do adults always assume we want to make trouble? This is why I hate > policemen so much. Anybody else have a comment on this? Hmmm...maybe you're making some assumptions about that there isn't a great variety of ages represented on this list. I'm 34 years old & my problem is that my kids won't let me kick. They grab the footbag & try to eat it, or they grab my legs because they want to be picked up or....I'm just being facetious. Are there any adults in your area who kick? If so, any chance of getting them to come do a school demo, thus lending "legitimacy" to the sport in your school. Or maybe you could do a demo, showing how cooperative an activity footbag is. Really, footbag has such low potential for destruction. Good luck! Ida Bettis Fogle From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Feb 10 01:59:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA03603 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:59:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from sun1.wetmore.amphi.com (sun1.wetmore.amphi.com [206.210.128.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA13662 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:43:43 -0800 Received: from host159.ams.amphi.com by sun1.wetmore.amphi.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/14Feb98-0313PM) id AA07591; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:43:52 -0700 Message-Id: <36C0C94C.9E6EA134@sun1.wetmore.amphi.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:48:29 -0800 From: marc zelov Organization: amphi public schools X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] school rules Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org In regards to the student who is getting harrassed by administration, I am a public school teacher and I actually teach a footbag class for 1/2 hour per day. Before I came to the school, footbags were pretty much banned. I suppose what got the footbag to be a somewhat reputable pastime here at Amphitheater Middle School was my personal intervention. I would suggest that the student who is having the problems do a couple of things. First of all, you said the principal witnessed a circle of people playing footbag. Use that opportunity to interest him in the sport. Bring him the link to the footbag website. Show him printouts of all of the responses that you have received regarding your dilemma. Show him that you are seeking a rational solution to the problem. Make sure that the kids that you are kicking with are being respectful of the staff. Humble yourselves before them and do not nag or complain to them. Show maturity before them and they will respond positively. Another thing you could do is find a teacher or staff member who plays footbag. Even if they can only kick it a few consecutive times. Talk with your English teacher about writing a report, or your Debate teacher about arguing your case. If you can show your teachers that you are using footbag to positively advance your education, they will concede to your requests. I would suggest that you DO NOT throw the footbag at a window. I personally think that would probably be counterproductive. Again, if you use this dilemma as a stepping stone towards educational growth, the educational institution will embrace your cause. I am enjoying this discussion. Let us know how it turns out. http://www.footbag.org/clublist/amphi Mr. Zelov 8th grade mathematics Amhphi. Middle School Tucson, AZ From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Feb 10 01:59:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA03609 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:59:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15668 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:03:14 -0800 Received: from mail.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA23355 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:03:51 -0600 Received: from alpha-1 by mail.socket.net ; Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:39:49 -600 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:54:59 -0600 X-Priority: 3 From: Jeremiah Riely Reply-To: jriely@mail.coin.missouri.edu X-Mailer: Mail Warrior 2 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] An intro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer-Version: v2.03a Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >I have this problem too. Apparently, in the 60s my school district banned >them because all the hippies hacked, and you know all the teachers and stuff you must mean the 70s, because footbag wasn't invented until 1972. From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Feb 10 02:48:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA23025 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:48:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16771 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:21:48 -0800 Received: from [198.202.67.148] (198.202.67.148) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167); 9 Feb 1999 18:23:38 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990208091241.00799dc0@waseca.k12.mn.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:30:26 -0800 To: Leo Skagerberg From: Cameron D Kennedy Subject: Re: [footbag] An intro Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > >for the past month i've been fighting my school to let us play indoors, >they tell us that we'll break a window or kick someone. has anyone else had >problems such as these with schools or other authority. please tell. I have had my fair share of "run ins" with the 'Authorities'. Most of them were minor, But . . . I may be the only person yet to have to PAY a fine in excess of $100.00 for playing footbag on a sidewalk. No warning, nada, zip, zero zilch, here you go, a nice crisp ticket for $115.00 + miscellaneous charges. other minor run ins include Lost a sack to an officer my freshman year in college. Shouldn't have been kicking in a parking lot apparently Removal from multiple laundromats Removal from tennis courts because the shoes leave a resin that affects play. (no nets, and what appeared to be a small tree growing from the cracks. and to top it off, i was wearing Rods. These ARE tennis shoes.) Wouldn't even let me plead my case, it was for my own protection. And most recently, Lost almost an HOUR of my very valuable time the other day at work. Had to prove who i was and that i had a right to be on the premises. Made to feel like a criminal because i left my keys in my lab, while i kicked after supper. (2-8-1999) so i guess it just come with the sport. I can't speak for the people who play the net game, but freestyle has given me more run in with authoritative figures than anything else i have ever done. >suggestions on how to get the freedom to play? Freedom can only come through understanding. Remain non-violent, and act like your interested in what the authorities have to say. Then present your case in a calm manor. Then when they don't listen to you go home and shred furiously. Try to remain in a good light though, especially at school. also i was wondering what >you people would recomend as the first trick to learn and practice. Depends on what your game is, i want to suggest mirage and legover as good starting points, following the necessary toe and inside delays that should be mastered first. I used to love going repeat (optoe-->optoe-->optoe-->opinside-->sametoe) Then i learned mirage. Take care, cameron "Felonious Style at Large" kennedy From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Feb 10 07:02:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA02773 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:02:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA17129 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:07:24 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA03915; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:07:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:07:29 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199902100307.VAA03915@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> Received: from prt-or2-23.ix.netcom.com(207.220.32.151) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003776; Tue Feb 9 21:06:23 1999 From: kicking@ix.netcom.com (Tricia George) Subject: Re: [footbag] An intro To: Leo Skagerberg Cc: footbag@footbag.org Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org You wrote: >for the past month i've been fighting my school to let us play indoors, >they tell us that we'll break a window or kick someone. has anyone else had >problems such as these with schools or other authority. please tell. any >suggestions on how to get the freedom to play? Hi Leo. I am glad to hear that you have a group of people who are interested in getting organized at your school. Here are a couple of things that might help you appeal to your principal. You could start by organizing a club. If you write up plans, missions and by laws (such as, no throwing footbags, undue horseplay, etc.) that appear well thought out and sincere you are likely to be taken seriously. See if you can get the PE teacher to back you up and possibly allow you to lead a PE lesson in footbag. Always be respectful of people walking by (especially other teachers) when you are kicking. Teach as many other people to play as you can....especially younger kids. I have a footbag club at my school ( I teach 6th grade) and the members of the club have organized themselves to make posters, announce regular meeting times and raise funds for footbags for the school. Our principal was unsure at first too, but now he play with them. I made sure to get a picture of him playing and posted it in a place of high traffic. :-) Good luck! Send me the principal's e-mail address. I would be happy to put in a good word for you. Tricia George long-time footbag lover From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Wed Feb 10 17:25:09 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA16338 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:25:09 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from wasecaps.waseca.k12.mn.us ([206.145.33.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA24272 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 05:34:33 -0800 Received: from WASECAPS.waseca.k12.mn.us([206.145.37.166]) by WASECAPS.WASECA.K12.MN.US (IBM OS/400 SMTP V04R02M00) with TCP; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:32:48 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990210073522.00798cf0@waseca.k12.mn.us> X-Sender: skagleon@waseca.k12.mn.us X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:35:22 -0600 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Leo Skagerberg Subject: [footbag] schools Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Great that it all worked out, does anyone have ideas for starting an >interscholastic footbag club, or league? from the way it sounds, that's what we're aiming for so if anyone else could possibly get there schools going..think about it...enough schools to have national school tourneys..maybe i'm daydreaming but it's a great dream! leo <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "i'd like to live beneath the dirt, a tiny space to move and reathe, is all that i would ever need" -phish GO BUY SOME BEN AND JERRY'S ICE CREAM From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Fri Feb 12 05:47:48 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA03426 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 05:47:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f From: Nick Nethery Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16067 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:20:19 -0800 Received: from MagicElbow@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5NYMa05357; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:14:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8028102f.36c33a0d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:14:05 EST To: ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu Cc: skagleon@waseca.k12.mn.us, footbag@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: [footbag] An intro Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >>Are there any adults in your area who kick? If so, any chance of getting them to come do a school demo, thus lending "legitimacy" to the sport in your school.<< Sorry, but I don't see that happening. I live in Huntsville, Tx, the execution capital of the world (remember Carla Faye Tucker and all the others? We're on CNN more than any other city I know except New York and Washington DC) and all the school administrators and cops apparently think we're all the children of released inmates who stayed in town for some reason--which never happens--or the children of prison guards, who are not much smarter than sod. Also we had a shooting at our Jr High five or six years ago. I appreciate you trying to help out, though. The good news, at least for me, is that I only have a few months until graduation and then I'll be at Texas A&M University. I could hack naked there and nobody would care. Well. A few people would care. Not many. Nick "Bombtrack" Nethery From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Feb 14 18:23:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA31586 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:23:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from dbotkin.hampshire.edu (ppp61.valinet.com [206.98.218.90]) by mbs.valinet.com (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA10581 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:48:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902140448.XAA10581@mbs.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: [footbag] countering footbag prejudice in schools Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:00:09 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > >for the past month i've been fighting my school to let us play indoors, > >they tell us that we'll break a window or kick someone. suggestions on how to get the freedom to play? has anyone else had > >problems such as these with schools or other authority? *************************** This post obviously struck a chord. Even at this late date, I too still hear scads of anecdotal accounts of arbitrary prohibitions, etc of this most peaceful, positive, interactive (or at least benign...) passtime. But all's not lost, dude. I suggest you view your teachers' kneejerk response as the perfect opportunity for major learning and p.r. in favor of our beloved game... Check out this correspondance which came to me at the Footbag Peace Initiative site (http://www.valinet.com/~dbotkin/) a while back. (You might email Oppie for a copy of his successful letter to the administration.) Good luck. DB: FROM: Nate oppie68@hotmail.com SUBJECT: footbag banned in school I live in St. Paul, MN. At my school (Arlington High) footbag has been banned. We are not sure of the reasons, but when we approach the administration, no one can answer this question. The only answer I can find is that a group of teenagers together must pose a threat to others. We have been told to write a letter to the principal explaining the benefits that this sport will have on the student body. I have started the letter, and would appreciate any help people can give me. Thank You. Nate "Oppie" *************** ...and my response to "Oppie": SUBJECT: Shifting Paradigms FROM: dbotkin@valinet.com Oppie, I hear so many similar, (sorry) secondary school, sack stories like yours! I guess we adults can operate from fear more than's good for us. In order to help them be less afraid of you "hackers", explain to the school administrators just how footbag is a positive influence, bringing together people from all age groups, races and classes -- partly because its one of the oldest forms of sport (ancient China, Thailand, the Mayan Indians, takraw, soccer, etc). Explain to them how people literally all over the world play their own versions of "footbag" with rocks, turds, rotten oranges, a old sand filled sock... Tell them footbag naturally teaches people to cooperate (in the circle) and to temporarily lay down their separate, egotistical worldview. Sounds hokey, but kickers everywhere attest to this! Explain to them that footbag is now truly and seriously an athletic discipline - even though it's still relatively new - and that a growing society of world class athletes is rapidly evolving it into a breathtaking, acrobatic artform! If you and your kicking comrades practice respect within the circle and in the schoolyard, the school authorities' fears will eventually implode or dissolve. Of course, behind every stereotype is a kernel of truth. There ARE some bad-ass and abusive people who play footbag. Your and your pals must transcend the stereotype (with kindness and consistency) and model the best footbag has to offer. Sidestep the "confrontational stance" if possible. Lure some adults into your circle and teach them a thing or two. Quietly collect allies. I was once one of those frightened, posturing school authorities peering into a circle of "teenage renegades". I can distinctly hear myself: "Get back to class, you hacky derelicts!" Now, 15 years later, I'm grateful to be one! Good luck, man. -- D. Botkin *********** (Post Script:) FROM: Nate oppie68@hotmail.com Dear Mr. Botkin ....Everything worked out in our favor! I wrote a letter to the Administration, and they now allow us to play hack during lunch. Thanks for your help. - Nate From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Feb 15 20:20:37 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA11541 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:20:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from diana.sfsu.edu (root@diana.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.239]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06747 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:40:04 -0800 Received: from default (madmax-145.sfsu.edu [130.212.201.145]) by diana.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA25446 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:39:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990215113255.006a3e2c@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: tuhuge@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:32:55 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Tu Vu Subject: [footbag] CHAD'S ALL THAT!!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org yes, we had a lovely footbag night at the movie's (Tuan Vu, Lisa Monti, Sunil Jani) and we saw "She's All That." and let me just give my hats off to Hollywood Chad Devlahovich. for is excellent display of freestyle ability as a stunt double for the leading male role. chad was busting leg-overs and ripwalks in black high tops and jeans. people in the audience were like, "whoah!" it was worth eight dollars just to see chad on the big screen and i recommend you all check it out. What really bugged me was chad's name was not in the credits nor of any mention of the hacky sack company's involement. oh well, maybe we will see randy mulder in the next SCREAM flick. Tu Huge From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Feb 16 00:42:18 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA00478 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:42:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from dept.english.upenn.edu (DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU [130.91.75.246]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09758 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:15:37 -0800 Received: (from sunilj@localhost) by dept.english.upenn.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id TAA98612; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:15:48 -0500 From: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) Message-Id: <199902160015.TAA98612@dept.english.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: [footbag] CHAD'S ALL THAT!!!!! To: tuhuge@sfsu.edu (Tu Vu) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:15:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: footbag@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990215113255.006a3e2c@sfsu.edu> from "Tu Vu" at Feb 15, 99 11:32:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org According to Tu Vu: > > and we saw "She's All That." and let me just give my hats off to Hollywood > Chad Devlahovich. Here, here! Chad was AWESOME! Nice work. They showed mostly him shredding frome the neck down, but a few futher away full body shots. VERY COOL! The scene with Chad shredding was kinda a focal point of the movie where the protagonist first gets to hang out with the girl he is after. I was shocked that since it was Big Hollywood Chad's big shredding that first got her attention, that his name was not included in the credits of the flick. ********** As an aside, I WILL see you Chad, and others in VEGAS this weekend... our plans have been finalized. YEAH! -Sunil From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Feb 16 09:00:34 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id JAA25276 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:00:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13058 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:07:59 -0800 Received: from smegma (user-38ld80i.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.160.18]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA07135 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:08:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990215230812.007dc330@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:08:12 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [footbag] CHAD'S ALL THAT!!!!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990215113255.006a3e2c@sfsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 11:32 AM 2/15/99 -0800, Tu Vu wrote: >recommend you all check it out. What really bugged me was chad's name was >not in the credits So *that* explains why some UNC students who saw me shredding on campus last weekend said "hey, that's the guy from She's All That!" And I thought it was just because our last names were similar! Hmmm...I wonder if I offer autographs, then maybe...nahhhhh! Congrats, Chad! We're all jealous, and that ain't no foolin'. 8^) -- Ernest "Scratch" Crvich Durham, NC, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Have footbag, will shred From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Thu Feb 18 02:47:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA05564 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 02:47:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f26.hotmail.com [207.82.250.37]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08995 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:23:24 -0800 Received: (qmail 13860 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 1999 14:34:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19990210143447.13858.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.95.141.152 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:34:46 PST X-Originating-IP: [134.95.141.152] From: "unmani Giuliani" To: ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu, footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] An intro Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:34:46 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi Ida, ha ha another adult that kicks it. I'm a 38 year old school - social - worker in Germany. I've got the trouble that most kids love me and the other adults envy me for my courage to kick and to skateboard. Kicking footbag is not at all a problem in our schools. We`ve got so much rain in our region (Cologne) there is no other choice. Teachers and parents figured out that the chance of catching a cold due to weather is 100 times more realistic than catching someones behind while kicking or playing any other fun sport. With this little note good luck to you and to all schoolteachers and adults. Adriana From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Sun Feb 21 22:03:49 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA32104 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:03:49 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17483 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:49:41 -0800 Received: from smegma (user-38ld8i2.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.162.66]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA14515 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:50:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990220005018.007ead50@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:50:18 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: [footbag] Neu Blut Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I'm pleased to announce that the Triangle area here in North Carolina has an up-and-coming Freestyler (and possibly Net player if she ever gets the chance) with definite potential. She goes by the name of Danielle, and she'll be getting her Lavers in a matter of days. She has the Tricks of the Trade video to guide her, and best of all she has the desire. She's already doing basic stalls, walk-overs, near-pendulums (not quite a pendulum, but cool nonetheless)...and this with helpless running shoes. And of course the area still holds a threat to the Net scene in the form of the mighty Laura, who routinely thrashes my butt on the court. "But I'm only a lowly Freestyler," I whimper in defense. She has nothing of it..."mercy" is a term she is not familiar with. As always, if you're unfortunate enough to get stuck in in my neck of the woods, contact me for either a style or net session. Note that net games are unlikely to be reliable until warm weather returns... -- Ernest "Scratch" Crvich Durham, NC, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Have footbag, will shred From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Feb 22 01:46:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA08186 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:46:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f From: Jim Cobb Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06343 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:18:28 -0800 Received: from JCobbjim@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FGHVa20553 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:16:56 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:16:56 EST To: footbag@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [footbag] ECO Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi all, We are starting to plan for this year's Emerald City Open and would like some input from y'all. The quetion is: If we are able to set it up, would you rather pay an extra $10 or so to return the tourney to Greenlake, or keep the entry fee to $25 and play at lid park as we have been. Greenlake is cool--lake, stores, walk-by traffic, bathrooms right there!! On the other hand, $10 is $10 --golf will suffer, the turf is inferior -but better than a few years ago, parking is a bit harder, there is less opportunity for true solitude..... Many of you may not remember back to the turn of the century -- um, that's decade- when we used to do it at Greenlake. Times change. Should we try (we may yet not be able to set it up) to get back to Greenlake for and xtra 10 beans ahead?? Feedback appreciated. Especially from those who have played at G-lake, but from all who may attend as well. Thanks Jim Cobb From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Mon Feb 22 05:49:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA20894 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 05:49:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from m9.sprynet.com (m9.sprynet.com [165.121.1.209]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09406 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:17:20 -0800 Received: from SPRYNETSPRY337196 (sfr-qbu-pql-vty216.as.wcom.net [206.175.230.216]) by m9.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29509; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:18:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902220518.VAA29509@m9.sprynet.com> Reply-To: From: "Jane Jones" To: "Jim Cobb" , Subject: Re: [footbag] ECO Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:27:31 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org I'd have to say, as a Mercer Island High School graduate, that anything not on MI is hands down more hip ...assuming it hasn't changed much since '92. Greenlake would definitely have better exposure. I thought Greenlake was a pretty cool net site last July when the freestyle Frisbee championship was going on next to the net tournament. Hey Jim, I should talk to you because we've started a freestyle club "Rain City Shred Factory" and we were all hoping to see about getting some freestyle happening at the Emerald City Opens this year. Also, if you do end up deciding on Mercer Island at Lid Park, then I know of a place that would probably sponsor the tournament as far food and meetings/ceremonies go. So, if Emerald City Opens ever had freestyle, would more people come?? See ya, Jane From owner-footbag@eniac.yak.net Tue Feb 23 18:37:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA23678 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:37:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-footbag using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f180.hotmail.com [209.185.131.243]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA30965 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:21:20 -0800 Received: (qmail 11376 invoked by uid 0); 23 Feb 1999 16:15:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19990223161515.11375.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.198.178 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:15:15 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.198.178] From: "laura wilvert" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] footbag in south Florida Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:15:15 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hi all, I'm new to the list and am wondering if anyone can help me contact hackers in south Florida. I am living near Homestead for the winter/spring and hope to find people anywhere from Miami/Ft. Laud. on down south to the Keys to kick with. Any suggestons would be mighty appreciated... I've checked the clubs listing. Thanks, Laura Wilvert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com