From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 4 22:52:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05636 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:52:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from vortex.more.net (vortex.more.net [198.209.253.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32222 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:56:34 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (mail.mlerf.org [207.160.128.29]) by vortex.more.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09791 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:56:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [footbag] A "Universal" Experience Message-Id: <000000622153024601144@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 17:59:04 -0500 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 3.1 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: footbag@footbag.org (Footbag Listserve) Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Last weekend I went to a friend's farm in south central Missouri for a mountain bike race/festival. I went the day before the race to ride the trails and have fun. There were only a dozen or so people around when I got there. But there was a 'hacky' circle going. I joined in, of course, but just 'hacked' with the others, not doing any tricks or anything, just doing a kick or three and passing. Over the spread of an hour, everyone that was there drifted in and out of the circle. I was floored - in nearly 20 years of kicking, this is the first time outside of a footbag tournament that this has happened. EVERYONE KICKED! Everyone was good enough to get 'hacks' in circles of 4 and 5 players. I only knew 2 or 3 of the dozen people. The only time I've ever met that many new people that could kick a footbag was at a footbag tournament. For me, the incident greatly uplifted my spirits about footbag. Just 'hacking' with those guys showed me more of the dream of footbag becoming ubiquitous than I've ever seen before. Oh, so slowly, but ever so surely, footbag is arriving in the hearts and minds of everyone. ______________________________________ Derrick Fogle From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 6 19:05:46 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10058 for footbag-outgoing; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:05:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Message-Id: <199911061537.KAA24073@mbs.valinet.com> Reply-To: From: "Daniel Botkin" To: Subject: Re: [footbag] A "Universal" Experience Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:44:16 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > Oh, so slowly, but ever so surely, footbag is > arriving in the hearts and minds of everyone. > Derrick Fogle ***************************************** Yes, Derrick, I've noticed the same thing. There's hardly an outpost left where footbag is not at least a familiar institution. I believe the "hundreth monkey" has begun to grin. And within the context of this knowledgeable and more generically kicking-competent populace, new interest and participation in the competitive end of the sport might even blossom. This, as I've claimed for years, is the best bet route to broadly cultivate the sport. Not vice versa. Don't you love it when someone as technically awesome as Derrick instead chooses to pass it?! It's like Shwarznegger using kindness or Sosa laying down a perfect bunt. Less is more. The power of understatement. The zen of not kicking. Dan Botkin Footbag Peace Initiative http://www.valinet.com/~dbotkin From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 7 00:42:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10475 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 00:42:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from mlerf.org (mail.mlerf.org [207.160.128.29]) by vortex.more.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18054 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:36:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [footbag] A "Universal" Experience Message-Id: <000000632463024779965@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:39:25 -0500 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 3.1 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: footbag@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org On Sat, Nov 6, 1999, 9:44:16 AM US CST Daniel Botkin wrote: >competitive end of the sport might even blossom. This, as I've claimed for >years, is the best bet route to broadly cultivate the sport. Not vice I think its a symbiosis. Without the competition and the effort at exposure that comes with it, fewer people would be familiar with it. But I'm certain all the people I kicked with that evening were exposed to footbag by the very grass-roots, 'underground' type of propagation of the game. I still believe that if footbag deserves to survive, it should do so because of that friend- to-friend, completely social aspect of the game, not because of competitions or commercialism. But we need everyone's efforts. We need the 'hackers' and thier sometimes goofy circles. We need the tournaments and promoters. We need the net games in the parks on evenings and weekends. No one has a 'wrong' way to promote footbag - we are all right, and the more different types of propagation we employ, the more successful we'll be in the long run. >Don't you love it when someone as technically awesome as Derrick instead >chooses to pass it?! It's like Shwarznegger using kindness or Sosa laying >down a perfect bunt. Less is more. The power of understatement. The zen of Of course I have to confess - after doing a couple laps on the mountain bike trail (and wearing blisters in my hands from it) The band was just starting to play and I did a little solo kicking to the music. There were alot more people around by then, and they were all content to just watch. I had a blast. ______________________________________ Derrick Fogle From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 9 21:54:41 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15963 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:54:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <19991109215953.BUOQ15703.kuku.excite.com@prickles>; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:59:53 -0800 Message-ID: <13383495.942184794357.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:59:54 -0800 (PST) From: Vince Bradley Reply-To: procrastan8r@excite.com To: "Derrick Fogle, MLERF" , footbag@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] A "Universal" Experience Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 128.8.82.142 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org hey hey Derrick and Daniel, eh. you both got it wrong. (: it's all Steve. its not the competitors, promoters, events, underground, or friends. its just Steve. well, ok, maybe its something to do with them too. really, though, i think the more recent public awareness factor of the sport is directly related to our internet presence. the fact that so many more are well familiarized with it to me says it has to be a broader, more directly informative influence. ever so slowly, our virtual presence is manifesting in reality. l8r vince On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:39:25 -0500, Derrick Fogle wrote: > On Sat, Nov 6, 1999, 9:44:16 AM US CST Daniel Botkin wrote: > > >competitive end of the sport might even blossom. This, as I've claimed for > >years, is the best bet route to broadly cultivate the sport. Not vice > > I think its a symbiosis. Without the competition and the effort at exposure > that comes with it, fewer people would be familiar with it. But I'm certain > all the people I kicked with that evening were exposed to footbag by the very > grass-roots, 'underground' type of propagation of the game. I still believe > that if footbag deserves to survive, it should do so because of that friend- > to-friend, completely social aspect of the game, not because of competitions > or commercialism. > > But we need everyone's efforts. We need the 'hackers' and thier sometimes > goofy circles. We need the tournaments and promoters. We need the net games in > the parks on evenings and weekends. No one has a 'wrong' way to promote > footbag - we are all right, and the more different types of propagation we > employ, the more successful we'll be in the long run. > > >Don't you love it when someone as technically awesome as Derrick instead > >chooses to pass it?! It's like Shwarznegger using kindness or Sosa laying > >down a perfect bunt. Less is more. The power of understatement. The zen of > > Of course I have to confess - after doing a couple laps on the mountain bike > trail (and wearing blisters in my hands from it) The band was just starting to > play and I did a little solo kicking to the music. There were alot more people > around by then, and they were all content to just watch. I had a blast. > > ______________________________________ > Derrick Fogle _______________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 01:49:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16172 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:49:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from ripcity.com (IDENT:FhFGRowkA+KPbKwpnaxxc/oWpXQpcwKn@blazer1.ripcity.com [199.2.204.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32404 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:04:44 -0800 Received: by ripcity.com (Smail-3.2.0.102 1998-Aug-2 #4) id ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:04:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.ripcity.com(192.168.7.236) via SMTP by blaznet.ripcity.com, id smtpdAAA05q7M6; Tue Nov 9 15:04:29 1999 Received: by post.ripcity.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:04:27 -0800 Message-ID: <5A255F90CA1AD211BA1400104B93712E027712EB@post.ripcity.com> From: Steve Dusablon To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: [footbag] Popularity Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:04:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Keeping with the recent stream on the "new found" popularity of our beloved sport, I would like to say that it has absolutely nothing to do with us as "pros". The fun and teamwork that is inherent in our game is there whether we are there or not. This is by far the best game ever invented. It is truly beautiful in its simplicity. In the circle game (which is how most of us were introduced to it in the first place) everyone is invited to play no matter the skill level, and everyone is automatically on the same team. There is no competition to keep newer players from trying it out with those possessing more experienced feet. If I am "hacking" in a circle, I will try to stand next to any beginners to help pick up their shanks. I think this is the big factor in the popularity of the game. It is simple. You attempt to use what initially is a foreign part of your anatomy to keep a small bean bag from hitting the ground with the help of as many other people as the bag can hypnotize. I feel that our efforts as pros have been mostly to take the game beyond these simple beginnings. We have experienced marginal success, but I think that the game speaks for itself. I am curious, how many people on this posting list got into the game because they saw it on the internet? Not me. I was walking around the mall one day in New Jersey when I saw a few folks kicking something around, it looked like it would be something fun to try and no one there was anything close to intimidatingly good so I asked if I could join in. At that time I found that it is an unspoken rule of the game that ANYONE can join in. I thought "I am going to like this" NUF SED Steve From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 02:25:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16277 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:25:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05622 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:30:11 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991110023004.XGYR12864.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:30:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3828D8B5.8DFF1B05@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 20:30:13 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Dusablon CC: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: Re: [footbag] Popularity References: <5A255F90CA1AD211BA1400104B93712E027712EB@post.ripcity.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Steve Dusablon wrote: > I am curious, how many people > on this posting list got into the game because they saw it on the internet? Most of the Dallas crew did. Sure, I've kicked in circles before, but I had never seen anything more exciting than jesters, toe, forehead and lap stalls. If it weren't for footbag.org and a little video of Rippin guilting all over the place, I would have never seen a dexterity. Were it not for worldfootbag.com, I would have never found a good bag or shoes. And, if it weren't for this very mailing list, I would have never hooked up with JR or found a tournament. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say "thanks Steve!". -Derric From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 02:41:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16309 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:41:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.103.146]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06213 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:53:21 -0800 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:52:08 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782342719A@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [footbag] Popularity Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:52:07 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Steve Dusablon sed: ::I am curious, how many people ::on this posting list got into the game because they saw it on the internet? I say: Before Rippin.mpg I played hacky. Now I play footbag. 4 out of 5 New Zealand shredders agree - they learnt to play footbag from the Net. (The 5th was some dude who moved here from the USA). Go Rippin.mpg ! I still have never hit the combo he does on that animation too.... bugger. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 03:07:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16369 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 03:07:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from mongoose.slip.net (mongoose.slip.net [207.171.193.14]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06914 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:13:04 -0800 Received: from [216.185.14.16] (helo=njaros) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11lOBy-0002mK-00 for footbag@footbag.org; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:13:02 -0800 Message-ID: <001601bf2b29$d109d800$100eb9d8@njaros> From: "Nick Jaros" To: References: <5A255F90CA1AD211BA1400104B93712E027712EB@post.ripcity.com> Subject: Re: [footbag] Popularity Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:15:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Two Sundays ago a group of about seven or eight French exchange students walked through Golden gate park and were taken back when they saw footbag net being played. I invited them to play and within twenty minutes three of them, some in jeans and street shoes, were setting and even delivering an occasional pull-down. This was very refreshing to me because in the three years that I have been playing net, it has pretty much been the same twenty or so people at the park. I think there are plenty of people willing to play but it is up to us, the players, and especially the pros to take time out from our precious playing-time to get people involved and to make it a positive experience. My friends have invested a lot of energy in seeing me turn into a better player and it felt really good to return that favor. Stork From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 03:45:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16512 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 03:45:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.clearsail.net (mail.clearsail.net [207.252.227.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08004 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:51:25 -0800 Received: from rtgilber (usr36.clearsail.net [207.252.227.36]) by mail.clearsail.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA19002 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:35:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001f01bf2b2f$a1857ac0$24e3fccf@rtgilber> From: "James Gilbert" To: References: <5A255F90CA1AD211BA1400104B93712E027712EB@post.ripcity.com> Subject: Re: [footbag] Popularity Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:56:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org > I am curious, how many people > on this posting list got into the game because they saw it on the internet? I did. It would probably have never been anything more than a very small interest in "hacking" for me if it wasn't for Steve's website. It was something we did in PE so we didn't have to play basketball. Then I found Steve's site and found out about dexes and around the worlds. You're the man Steve! Thanks! -James Gilbert From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 17:15:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17672 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:15:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f34.hotmail.com [209.185.131.97]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA02324 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:41:44 -0800 Received: (qmail 79599 invoked by uid 0); 10 Nov 1999 16:41:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19991110164113.79598.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 62.104.214.70 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:41:13 PST X-Originating-IP: [62.104.214.70] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: derric@dallasfootbag.org, steve.dusablon@rosequarter.com Cc: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Popularity Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:41:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >If it weren't for footbag.org and a little video of Rippin >guilting all over the place, I would have never seen a dexterity. yea thats right footbag.org helped me alot, mainly because there arent lots of clubs in this crappy country called germany any of you great players got icq ? -fabian From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 19:22:31 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17794 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:22:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Message-ID: <19991110180936.3107.rocketmail@web214.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.236.196.21] by web214.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:09:36 PST Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:09:36 -0800 (PST) From: cory current Subject: [footbag] Popularity To: footbag@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey all, Steve D. wrote: > I am > curious, how many people > on this posting list got into the game because they > saw it on the internet? well, me personally, it was live and in person. but I think the trend is definitely shifting towards the internet. Not sure how many of you read the freestyle list, but I think the evidence speaks for itself with that list alone. Just over the past couple of weeks, the amount of new people on there asking questions about inside stalls, toe stalls, etc, etc. is astounding. I've read countless posts from people saying they've seen all the video clips on footbag.org and the dallas site, but they've never seen it in person. Like this Windsan Pen (sp??). Now there's a story. From what I gather, he started out on the 'net. (inter') The internet....the way of the future. Deny it if you want, but you're a fool. ===== Cory Current------------------------------------------------ Kickers Quarterly Journalist http://www.schwafootbag.com ------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 21:43:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17939 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:43:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from ripcity.com (IDENT:bJeN5259nW3EwHCR4OjY7+G4fH7xx7xO@blazer1.ripcity.com [199.2.204.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08077 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:03:01 -0800 Received: by ripcity.com (Smail-3.2.0.102 1998-Aug-2 #4) id ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:02:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.ripcity.com(192.168.7.236) via SMTP by blaznet.ripcity.com, id smtpdAAA0K0SPf; Wed Nov 10 13:02:51 1999 Received: by post.ripcity.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:02:51 -0800 Message-ID: <5A255F90CA1AD211BA1400104B93712E027712F2@post.ripcity.com> From: Steve Dusablon To: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Subject: [footbag] THANX Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:02:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey folks, I hope I didn't come across as dissing the internet in yesterdays posting. I love the page that Steve and Eric have put together (with the slight exception that there is a HUGE lack of videos for and by NET players). I have recieved a lot of returns about how people saw Rippin' Rick's routine on the footbag site and were blown away. My point was that they never would have checked the site if they were not interested in the game already. That silly little circle game sucked us all in. I think I am going to start writing something to this site every week, whenever I do there is a monster response. Thanks all, Steve From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 10 22:05:00 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18025 for footbag-outgoing; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:05:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10159 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:08:04 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21799; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:07:32 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5A255F90CA1AD211BA1400104B93712E027712F2@post.ripcity.com> References: <5A255F90CA1AD211BA1400104B93712E027712F2@post.ripcity.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:08:49 -0800 To: Steve Dusablon From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] THANX Cc: "'footbag@footbag.org'" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org It'd help if when people posted replies they used the same subject line with Re: at the front... but anyway... At 1:02 PM -0800 11/10/99, Steve Dusablon wrote: >I love the page that Steve and Eric have put together I would hope that you realize it's not just a page. It's an online community tool that allows you and anyone else to update it and reference it. >(with the slight >exception that there is a HUGE lack of videos for and by NET players). Settle down, Bubba. :-) Stand by... they're on the way. (Thanks again to Eric Cote, and also to Bob Lavigne.) Steve From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 11 00:36:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18277 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:36:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from field.videotron.net (field.videotron.net [205.151.222.108]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14002 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:17:50 -0800 Received: from [207.96.245.181] by field.videotron.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.07.30.00.05.p8) with SMTP id <0FL000EWABDG3A@field.videotron.net> for footbag@footbag.org; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:15:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:15:52 -0500 From: Eric Cote Subject: Re: [footbag] THANX X-Sender: vldzwddj@pop.videotron.ca To: Steve Dusablon , "'footbag@footbag.org'" Message-id: <0FL000EWDBDG3A@field.videotron.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >I hope I didn't come across as dissing the internet in yesterdays posting. >love the page that Steve and Eric have put together (with the slight >exception that there is a HUGE lack of videos for and by NET players). Page. :-. You've just come across as dissing our work. footbag.org is the biggest information site I have ever seen. There is so much information it boggles the mind. I know. From experience. I spent over 300 hours redesigning it with Steve. And the new additions are making the whole footbag community come together. As for NET video: would you be satisfied with 14 spike demos? Coming soon to a footbag.org near you. Sorry, but that ticked me off. Page. Hehe... Eric Cote webmaster@quebec.footbag.org eric@footbag.org From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 11 00:56:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18318 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:56:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhost.cmc.net (mailhost.cmc.net [206.102.31.250]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13831 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:08:58 -0800 Received: from cmc.net (pm4-180.chico.cmc.net [12.7.203.183]) by mailhost.cmc.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA15378 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:08:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <382A095A.39B9E085@cmc.net> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:10:02 -0800 From: Joshua Feltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Popularity References: <5A255F90CA1AD211BA1400104B93712E027712EB@post.ripcity.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Steve Dusablon wrote: I am curious, how many people on this posting list got into the game because they saw it on the internet? I was certainly aware of the game before I researched it on the internet, but I knew next to nothing about it before I found Footbag.org. I would imagine most people get their first exposure to the game by seeing others play it. I have seen people playing for years, and had my own knit bag for probably close to a decade without ever getting serious about the sport. My sack spent far more time in the closet than on my foot or in the air. Footbag.org opened up a whole new world of possibilities for me. I recently purchased a juice from the WFA online catalog (excellent service, very friendly) and I just picked up a pair of lavers from a local shoe store, neither of which I would have known about without Footbag.org. Also, the freestyle mailing list is a constant inspiration to me. Even though I am new and can't hit any of the moves folks are talking about, it gives me something to shoot for. Also, my wife thinks I am nuts for spending so much of my free time kicking a little sack. It's a good feeling to know I am not alone. Thanks to Footbag.org for all the info and inspiration! I just wish I had gotten serious years ago... Sincerely, Josh Feltman From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 11 00:56:06 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18317 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:56:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f136.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.136]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA14284 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:32:24 -0800 Received: (qmail 25689 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 1999 00:31:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19991111003153.25688.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.99.138.166 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:31:53 PST X-Originating-IP: [149.99.138.166] From: "James McCullough" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: Re: [footbag] Popularity Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:31:53 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org >From: Steve Dusablon >I am curious, how many people >on this posting list got into the game because they saw it on the internet? The first time i saw a 'hacky sac' was in my brothers room when we were cleaning out the closet. I saw it on the floor and me and my brother went outside and kicked it around for a little bit because i remembered seeing someone at a bus stop. After that i brought it to school and soon enough all my friends were kicking with me in a circle. I'll admit i never even knew about freestyle, footbag notation, or any complicated move or combo until the internet, but the only reason i did was because i was already interested in the wonderful sport of footbag. But the internet is essential to the spread of footbag because it's about the only place to get info on it. There is still quite a long way for footbag to go, but it's gettin there and the internet sure as hell is helpin. I'm hoping it will become an olympic event someday. thanx for listening, er, reading rather jm From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 11 01:18:14 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18449 for footbag-outgoing; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 01:18:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from footbag (ke191u2hel.dial.kolumbus.fi [193.229.44.191]) by mail4.kolumbus.fi (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id DAA06495 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 03:33:20 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <008001bf2be4$0442fca0$bf2ce5c1@footbag.pp.kolumbus.fi> Reply-To: "Finnish Footbag Association" From: "Justin Sexton" To: Subject: [footbag] Steve is the man Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 03:28:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Vince: >it's all Steve. Derric: >I think I speak for a lot of people when I say "thanks Steve!". James: >You're the man Steve! Thanks! Well spoken guys, we totally agree. Thank you for everything Steve! Team Finland, www.footbag.fi From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 04:54:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20725 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:54:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from pop.scriptics.com (pop.scriptics.com [209.24.201.136]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23187 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:42:01 -0800 Received: from pop.scriptics.com (weasel.scriptics.com [209.24.201.170]) by pop.scriptics.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11151 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:43:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911110743.XAA11151@pop.scriptics.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: announce@footbag.org Subject: [footbag] Michael Sherman Welch X-URL: http://www.scriptics.com/people/brent.welch/ X-Face: "HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=>r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\W:AK\j?@?c1o Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Jody gave birth to Michael Sherman Welch at 9:00 am on Tuesday, 11/9/99 6 lbs. 11oz. 19 1/2 inches. Long toes like Jody. :-) There is a picture at http://www.beedub.com/ We were hoping to induce labor, but the baby wasn't head-down, so we delivered by C-section. That'll keep Jody off the net court for, oh, a few days at least :-) She'll be in the hospital probably through Friday afternoon. You can dial her direct at 650 498 3252 -- Brent Welch http://www.scriptics.com Scriptics: The Tcl Platform Company From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 12 05:00:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20761 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:00:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from ns1.aplatform.com (root@ns1.aplatform.com [204.29.139.2]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21470 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:12:52 -0800 Received: from [204.29.139.80] (jcaveney.aplatform.com [204.29.139.80]) by ns1.aplatform.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18138 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:12:50 -0800 X-Sender: jcaveney@aplatform.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5A255F90CA1AD211BA1400104B93712E027712F2@post.ripcity.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:12:48 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Jim Caveney Subject: Re: [footbag] THANX Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Steve (Duh..sablon), Would you like some tartar sauce with that foot or do you prefer toe jam? ;-) Just kidding, of course. Thanks for the entertainment. I too am looking forward to the net videos. The megasite we know as footbag.org is truly impressive and growing. Makes me so proud. Thank you Steve and Eric! Outstanding work. JimmyC >Hey folks, >I hope I didn't come across as dissing the internet in yesterdays posting. I >love the page that Steve and Eric ..................... >I think I am going to start writing something to this site every week, >whenever I do there is a monster response. Thanks all, >Steve From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 14 10:42:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25021 for footbag-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:42:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.csuchico.edu (titan.CSUChico.EDU [132.241.82.14]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27553 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:44:40 -0800 Received: from webmail ([132.241.82.12]) by mail.csuchico.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAAA07; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:34:06 -0800 From: "Tara R. Ohr" To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF), footbag@footbag.org (Footbag Listserve) Subject: Re: [footbag] A Universal Experience X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 3.5.2 [Mozilla/4.51 [en] (Win98; U)] Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:34:06 -0800 Message-ID: <772802A3D4E.AAAA07@mail.csuchico.edu> Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org What a great story! I know that when I started playing "hacky sac" it was a communal thing. I think that freestyle has taken away from that group play and separated into an individual sport. Now don't get me wrong I love to play both ways, but you don't generally see passing in certain circles. Sometimes I love to just stick to the basics so that everyone in the circle gets a chance to hit it, and there is a sense of accomplishment when everyone contributes to a "hack." thanks for sharing that story!!! Keep on kickin Tara From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 15 19:44:19 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27032 for footbag-outgoing; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:44:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from field.videotron.net (field.videotron.net [205.151.222.108]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00958 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:12:11 -0800 Received: from [206.231.127.96] by field.videotron.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.07.30.00.05.p8) with SMTP id <0FL7004STS8T1S@field.videotron.net> for footbag@footbag.org; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:02:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:03:38 -0500 From: Eric Cote Subject: [footbag] learn how to spike on the net X-Sender: vldzwddj@videotron.ca To: Footbag Message-id: <0FL7004SWS8T1S@field.videotron.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Bienvenue to quebec.footbag.org version 2.0 It's now live and running, so enjoy. Still have to tidy-up a few things, but: For those complaining about no NET presence on the net, your prayers, and bitching :-) have been answered. Ok, so it's not on Footbag Worldwide yet. But it's online. If you want to learn how to spike: http://quebec.footbag.org/multimedia/filet.html (The last one is an 11Mb "trailer" for what Bob Lavigne is working on with his new video courses, small movie-size (160X120) but niiiice!) If you want to learn french: follow the links ;-) Thanks for passing by... Pour le reste des gens qui ne comprennent rien de ce qui est ecrit ci-haut, visitez: http://quebec.footbag.org Merci. Eric Cote webmaster@quebec.footbag.org eric@footbag.org From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 23 11:45:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07975 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:45:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12573 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:37:10 -0800 Received: from smegma (user-2ivf6t6.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.155.166]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA20108 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:37:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991123143740.0080c700@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:37:40 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: [footbag] Footbag sighting in newsletter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org The current issue of the Consumer Reports On Health newsletter has an article on exercising indoors for the winter months (much to my dismay, "Watching TV" and "Drinking Beer" aren't mentioned). Within is a table showing various activities and how many calories are burned in 10 minutes. At the bottom (tied with juggling and pingpong!) is "Footbag (Hacky sack)". The claim is 45 calories for men, 36 for women (even "Vigorous housework" and "Carousing with the kids" scored higher). But as incomparable as that would be to a 10-minute shred session, I was pleasantly surprised that the sport (with the proper name!) was even mentioned. The description was: "Involves keeping small leather sack aloft with feet, thighs, knees, and shoulders. Play alone or with others. Try to break your record for most repetitions." That last sentence makes it sound about as fun as licking envelopes. I obviously have to start working on my thigh-and-shoulder kicks, too. And how many companies even offer leather bags anymore besides Kanga? All right, all right, I'll be quiet now. No refunds are available for the time you've wasted reading this. -- Ernest "Scratch" Crvich http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Geek Code v3.1: GCS d- s+:-- a- C++ W++ N++ w+ M- V-- t+ e++ h+ Have footbag, will shred. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 23 11:47:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07980 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:47:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07977 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:47:46 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12697 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:45:07 -0800 Received: from odin (odin [204.62.245.189]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24816 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [206.67.46.8] by odin (SMI-8.6/Spike-2.0) id LAA18015; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:45:21 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199911231939.LAA07962@list.footbag.org> References: <199911231939.LAA07962@list.footbag.org> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:46:57 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [footbag] Re: Footbag sighting in newsletter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Ernest Crvich wrote: >The current issue of the Consumer Reports On Health newsletter has an >article on exercising indoors for the winter months Yes, they interviewed me very briefly about this over e-mail a couple months ago. They claimed there were running an "article on Footbag WorldWide" in their November issue. I wonder if this is it or if this is a secondary thing and we missed the primary one. :-) >and "Carousing with the kids" scored higher). But as incomparable as that >would be to a 10-minute shred session, I was pleasantly surprised that the >sport (with the proper name!) was even mentioned. Thus another piece of evidence that the WWFF, Inc., is making an impact (that'd be the non-profit that is behind the footbag.org website). >"Involves keeping small leather sack aloft with feet, thighs, knees, and >shoulders. Play alone or with others. Try to break your record for most >repetitions." Grrrr. Well, did they at least refer to the website? That was supposed to be the whole point. Steve From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 23 12:35:07 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08081 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:35:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13305 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:18:00 -0800 Received: from smegma (user-2ivf6t6.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.155.166]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA18387 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:18:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991123151832.00827820@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:18:32 -0500 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [footbag] Re: Footbag sighting in newsletter In-Reply-To: References: <199911231939.LAA07962@list.footbag.org> <199911231939.LAA07962@list.footbag.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 11:46 AM 11/23/99 -0800, Steve Goldberg wrote: >months ago. They claimed there were running an "article on Footbag >WorldWide" in their November issue. I wonder if this is it or if this >is a secondary thing and we missed the primary one. :-) Well, this is indeed the November issue, but only what I mentioned before and what I've added below is footbag-related. >Well, did they at least refer to the website? That was supposed to be >the whole point. I had to hunt for it; in a small sidebar labeled "For more information", there's a list of companies, web sites, and phone numbers for exercise products. The second-to-last one reads as follows: "Footbag Worldwide. Footbag instructions and other information. (www.footbag.org)" The body of the article itself focuses mainly on equipment/machines (treadmills and so on). Oh well. -- Ernest "Scratch" Crvich http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Geek Code v3.1: GCS d- s+:-- a- C++ W++ N++ w+ M- V-- t+ e++ h+ Have footbag, will shred. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 23 18:41:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08755 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:41:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from falla.videotron.net (falla.videotron.net [205.151.222.106]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18336 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:11:52 -0800 Received: from [207.253.211.218] by falla.videotron.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.07.30.00.05.p8) with SMTP id <0FLO00J1RATNBG@falla.videotron.net> for footbag@footbag.org; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:05:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:06:50 -0500 From: Eric Cote Subject: Re: [footbag] Footbag sighting in newsletter X-Sender: vldzwddj@pop.videotron.ca To: Ernest Crvich , Footbag Message-id: <0FLO00J1TATNBG@falla.videotron.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Perhaps they should have based their findings on the following: "Oxygen Uptake During Footbag" Graetzer an Chen, Footbag World vol. 8 no. 1 I doubt the article is online, though. Later Eric From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 23 19:42:56 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08950 for footbag-outgoing; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:42:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from field.videotron.net (field.videotron.net [205.151.222.108]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23819 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:36:14 -0800 Received: from [216.113.5.193] by field.videotron.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.07.30.00.05.p8) with SMTP id <0FLO00AO1N5EVL@field.videotron.net> for footbag@footbag.org; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:32:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:33:06 -0500 From: Eric Cote Subject: [footbag] better X-Sender: vldzwddj@videotron.ca To: Footbag Message-id: <0FLO00AO4N5FVL@field.videotron.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey all, the net videos available on quebec.footbag.org are now 50% leaner, thanks to Bob, and Sorenson video compression... (50% less download, 200% more enjoyment! -Quicktime 4 only-) http://quebec.footbag.org/multimedia/filet.html Also please take the time to support the Airtime project: This documentary aims to portray the growth of the sport of footbag since it's inception, through interviews and footage, and then chronicle the status of players in the sport, through filming of tournament matches in Montreal and Vancouver (2000 World Championships). You can submit your name to show your support of the project. It might be useful to have a couple of thousand printed names to dump on someone's desk as proof of the demand and necessity for such a documentary. http://quebec.footbag.org/airtime/ Bye all. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 26 10:36:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14400 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:36:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from web108.yahoomail.com (web108.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.75]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24543 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:14:19 -0800 Message-ID: <19991126181514.1668.rocketmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Received: from [216.210.44.121] by web108.yahoomail.com; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:15:14 PST Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:15:14 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Lavigne Subject: [footbag] Thanks for the support To: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Greetings to all from Airtime producer Bob. The first thing I want to say is thanks to all who have demonstrated interest in our project. Keep your comments coming as the input is crucial, and I like to read them. We are still looking for a title. As I am now in the stages of selling my project, Airtime's efforts are concentrated on looking for potential sponsors at this point. We are currently working on a cd-rom multimedia sales pitch, which will blow the top off any network exec with a little guts. This will enable us to address a great number of potential sponsors at low costs, but without the risk of being shelved. Therefore feel free to suggest any corporations you know of that are in the habit of participating in these type of events. Airtime will seekout as many as possible. By the way a new version of the demo clip will be available soon on the project homepage. Check it out this weekend on: http://quebec.footbag.org/airtime This clip will be of much higher quality as me and Eric are constantly looking for ways to improve our skills, the download time will also drop dramatically. Bob, out. Airtime productions bob@footbag.org From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 26 10:36:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14410 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:36:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24365 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:00:49 -0800 Received: from default ([12.78.248.214]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19991126180100.DLBQ28748@default> for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:01:00 +0000 From: "Bob Riefer" To: Subject: [footbag] semi-pro Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:17:20 -0500 Message-ID: <01bf383a$7b646960$d6f84e0c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org OK, I am a new member to this list, so I apologize in advance if I'm covering oftcovered ground. My analogy pertains to freestyle (which I'm most familiar with) but the point pertains to footbag categories in general. I'm in what I refer to as the "in between wasteland" (heretofore IBW). The IBW is that place you visit once you've decided it would be sandbagging to play intermediate anymore, but also would be "pointless" to play open (since you would be overly qualified in one division, and non competitive in the other). My story goes as such. I won intermediate freestyle at the Funtastik, and thus decided I should probably sit out awhile while tuning my skills to the point where I feel I would be competitive playing open at competitions. I see the same thing happen with net players, golfers etc... The end result being that we have many a fine player sitting out during the actual competition, while their sideline shreds, or pickup games show that they are worthy of competing at some level.. Thus the IBW tag. these players are in a wasteland of sorts where they have no competitive niche. Possible solution? How about a semi-pro designation. Intermediate as it stands now (and open division also) would remain unaffected, but there would be a forum for those IBWers to express their skills competitively. OK, that's all. Talk to you all soon. Bob Riefer (Riefer Man) From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 26 11:38:22 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14582 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:38:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14579 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:38:21 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26411 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:35:16 -0800 Received: from odin (odin [204.62.245.189]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA15105 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [206.67.46.8] by odin (SMI-8.6/Spike-2.0) id LAA18502; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:35:40 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bf383a$7b646960$d6f84e0c@default> References: <01bf383a$7b646960$d6f84e0c@default> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 11:37:24 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [footbag] semi-pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org At 1:17 PM -0500 11/26/99, Bob Riefer wrote: >I'm in what I refer to as the "in between wasteland" (heretofore IBW). You're not alone. There are lots of players in that region. That's why some tournaments have an "advanced" category which is between intermediate and open. We've never done that for freestyle, though; usually only for net. >Possible solution? How about a semi-pro designation. I have to say that the term "pro" is used really inconsistently and one thing I'd love to do is to get everyone using these terms the same way. So, I object to the term "semi-pro" or even "pro" when talking about divisions. I know it's nit-picky, but this confusion has existed for a long time so this is a good chance for me to correct the usage of the word "pro". What you're looking for is an "advanced division". In most sports, you have categories and divisions (and events). Footbag is no different. The only tournament that really gets this right is Worlds, where we have two categories -- pro and amateur -- and four divisions -- intermediate, open, mixed doubles open, and women's open. (And we've sometimes had a separate intermediate division for women in singles net.) We have something like 7 events at Worlds (singles net, doubles net, singles freestyle, doubles freestyle, singles golf, singles timed consecutives, doubles distance one-pass) for a total of somewhere around 20 actual separate competitions (appropriate combinations of events and divisions), each with their own 1st-4th place rankings and corresponding awards. The "category" concept is more administrative, and applies to the player (not really based on ability). So, at Worlds, we pay prize money to players in the "pro" category (but only if they compete in "open" division events), and we don't pay prize money to amateurs (regardless of division). The theory is that we charge higher entry fees to players who are sponsored (and therefore are considered professional), since that's just another way to get sponsorships for the costs of the tournament. The "division" is defined by the level of play. "open" means "no holds barred", so the best players will naturally float to the open division. What you're asking for is an intermediary (sic) division, halfway between intermediate and open. The entire sport of footbag is a semi-professional sport and the World Championships constitute one semi-pro competition. Back to advanced... We've discussed adding an "advanced" division, or renaming our current divisions to "A", "B", and "C" (where they go backwards; A is the top, etc.) but one problem is the difficulty of dealing with sandbaggers. Without a good rating/ranking system, it's hard to enforce which players should be in which divisions. But that's not a show-stopper... peer pressure usually does the trick. We've mostly skirted this issue by only having two divisions and we definitely need to start thinking about it. So, in principle, I think we should add an advanced division. But, all that said, here are the reasons I'm not particularly chomping at the bit to do it, *especially* not as part of Worlds (if people want to do it at smaller tournaments, I think the IFC would be happy to sanction the new division): (1) Adding a new division means a **significant** increase in the cost of running the event. For example, prizes/trophies/certificates are now needed for up to *14* more events (because you'd most likely need advanced and advanced women's for each of the 7 events), for a total of *72* more prizes/trophies/certificates (in some combination). (This is because you have to give awards for 4 places for each of the 14 events, but 4 of those events are doubles events that have 2 players for each place.) The thing people don't always realize is that the size of the division (number of competitors) doesn't really matter. And this is just *1* of the added costs of adding a new division. Do the math and you'll see even with 6 competitors in each division that the impact is pretty significant. (2) Worlds is itself in theory an Open competition. The intermediate division was added only a few years ago because of the influx of players who wanted to participate at Worlds but would not have gone if they had to play Open. This is because we recognize that we're still in a mode of desperately looking for players and therefore willing to spend the extra time and money at Worlds to run events for intermediate players. (I'm one of the main proponents of having intermediate divisions at worlds, so please nobody bite my head off for this one. I'm just giving some perspective, not advocating a position.) (3) It's not as hard as you think. Taking the "plunge" into the Open division is the fastest way to become an open player. (By definition.) Most intermediate players are terrified of going Open. But try it before you knock it. :-) You're probably not going to win, but is that really your goal? If so, then perhaps you just need to school hard and plan to come and win the open division (viz. Mulroney). But if your goal is to perform in public, get evaluated by a panel of judges, gain experience overcoming performance anxiety, and be part of the event, then you'll get all that from the open division. Steve From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 26 22:04:30 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15653 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 22:04:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailcity.com (fes-qout.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA32204 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:27:36 -0800 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Fri Nov 26 19:27:07 1999 To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:27:07 -0800 From: "Hung Chang" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: [footbag] Thanks for the support X-Sender-Ip: 205.188.198.166 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org To Eric, Bob, and Steve, I want to give you guys a Double Thumbs Up for working on the spike videos. This would be great tool for all the new net players. Now everybody can learn the "Chunky Monkey"! hung -- On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:15:14 Robert Lavigne wrote: >Greetings to all from Airtime producer Bob. From owner-footbag@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 26 22:04:25 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15648 for footbag-outgoing; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 22:04:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-footbag@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailcity.com (fes-qout.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA32163 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:19:28 -0800 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Fri Nov 26 19:19:04 1999 To: footbag@footbag.org Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:19:04 -0800 From: "Hung Chang" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: [footbag] semi-pro X-Sender-Ip: 205.188.198.166 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-footbag@footbag.org Hey Bob, I hear what you are saying about IBW, I call it "crossing the gap". I remember playing open doubles for the first time in 97 at Western and Worlds and the frustration of getting kicked out of my pool. For net, my suggestion is to use a format that gives more games to the people at the bottom, (like what Vince Bradley suggested last month). IMO, it's discouraging to up and comers to get kicked out of their pool with no chance of improving their ranking. An advanced division will happen when we get more players. Presently, I don't see too many new net players coming into the sport. hung -- On Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:17:20 Bob Riefer wrote: >I'm in what I refer to as the "in between wasteland" (heretofore IBW).