From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 1 12:29:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32337 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:29:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f191.hotmail.com [216.32.181.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA01719 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:42:31 -0800 Received: (qmail 73952 invoked by uid 0); 1 Feb 2000 19:42:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000201194200.73951.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.213.43.194 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:41:59 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.213.43.194] From: "Tom LaBeff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Trick Names Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 13:41:59 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yeah, 'orbit' sucks anyway. I get your point with the name being visually descriptive. Thanks for your thoughts. Thomas LaBeff From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 1 12:30:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32344 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:30:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net (mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net [198.209.253.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29490 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 06:26:02 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (mail.mlerf.org [207.160.174.60]) by mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA19681 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:25:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: [freestyle] Fossilized Chicken Visits Dallas! Message-Id: <000001115603032259960@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 08:26:00 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 3.2.1 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org (Freestyle Listserve) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yep, I'm coming to Dallas - I will be in Dallas this Thursday and Friday. I'm working at the UT Transplant Services in the 5000 block of Harry Hines Blvd. I've got a very late flight out on Friday, so I would be able to meet and kick a little that evening. Anybody up for some styling with the funky fossilized chicken? ______________________________________ Derrick Fogle Foundation Computing Services Missouri Lions Eye Research Foundation Heartland Lions Eye Banks From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 1 13:12:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32418 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 13:12:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03673 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 13:08:39 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FP900901S266Y@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:08:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 14:08:30 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colorado shred In-reply-to: <38967E8A.9A267A41@uswest.net> To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Matt Wafaie wrote: > excited. I've gotten cleared for Saturday and sunday but > haven't decided if I'll compete as an intermediate. I'll > probably get there and be intimidated and chicken out. I'm > still excited though! Man I am seriously disappointed in many people regarding this very thing. I have two friends who are going to be there who I think really ought to compete in the intermediate shred. I myself want to compete, but I feel I'm at that place where I am in between intermediate and open. If I were to compete open I know I'd just be giving $25 to the likes of Sunil, Daryl, Rick, Eli, Dave, etc.... If I compete intermediate, I'll be sandbagging. So all you people who are chickening out in the intermediate division for this event had better pick your balls (uh footbags) up off the ground and get an ounce of courage to enter the competition. You won't make anymore an ass of yourself than everyone else. Do you want some guidelines? Be able to hit 2's and 3's. 4's are not a necessity though they will help. If I'm not mistaken (help me Eli) only the tricks 3 adds and above will count toward unique moves but all 2's and up will go toward your total add count. Also, don't let the pre-event circle shred get you up or down. In the actual event ANYONE (yes ANYONE) could screw up ROYALLY. Please enter this event because I'll be pissed if not enough people enter and I could have gone in and won the whole thing. Boulder's waiting, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 1 18:55:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00354 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:55:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08887 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:17:17 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.b0.e01230 (3963) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:16:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:16:39 EST Subject: [freestyle] what is this... To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org what is CLIP>SAME OUT>OP CLIP What is it when it is a clip.same out. same clip how many adds is it? -E.E P.S I've been hitting this trick with ease,thats why i want to know, From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 2 23:17:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01914 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:17:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11116 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:15:54 -0800 Received: from alaska (dhcp31186007.columbus.rr.com [24.31.186.7]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20655; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 22:15:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00ee01bf6d2b$c8461280$07ba1f18@alaska> Reply-To: "Vern DeHaven" From: "Vern DeHaven" To: "Evan Edmondson" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] what is this... Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 22:15:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Evan, It's a butterfly, or an infinity if hit off another butterfly, both three adds. Check out the URL below for other move questions: http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/ nreV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Edmondson" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 8:16 PM Subject: [freestyle] what is this... what is CLIP>SAME OUT>OP CLIP What is it when it is a clip.same out. same clip how many adds is it? -E.E P.S I've been hitting this trick with ease,thats why i want to know, From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 2 23:17:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01924 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:17:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23763 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:33:52 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPB00C01W8D5P@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 17:33:49 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 17:33:49 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] what is this... In-reply-to: To: Evan Edmondson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Evan Edmondson wrote: > what is > CLIP>SAME OUT>OP CLIP This is a butterfly. Butterfly is one of the moves you can hit from different sets and it keeps the same name. Some examples: toe>same out> op clip toe>op out> op clip clip> op out> op clip All of those are considered butterflies. Now the if you do the one you asked about back to back it is called an infinity. Butterflies are 3 adds. > What is it when it is a clip.same out. same clip > how many adds is it That's a paradox reverse drifter or ROYALE, and it's 4 adds. Is this the one you said you're hitting regularly or was it the butterfly? Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 2 23:17:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01919 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:17:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f246.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA11244 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:22:00 -0800 Received: (qmail 76689 invoked by uid 0); 2 Feb 2000 03:21:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000202032120.76688.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2000 19:21:20 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: MasteCid@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] what is this... Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 22:21:20 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all. Evan inquired: >what is >CLIP>SAME OUT>OP CLIP This is an infinity style butterfly. >What is it when it is a clip.same out. same clip This is pdx reverse drifter, or Royale. Tack on a swirl, and you've got Royale w/Cheese. >how many adds is it? The first is an easy 3, the second is a hard 4. >P.S I've been hitting this trick with ease,thats why i want to know, I'm assuming you mean the first move. If you mean the second one, my hat's off to you. School them butterflies. CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 10:00:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02417 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:00:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10880 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 01:03:20 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPC00E01JTGFU@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 02:03:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 02:03:15 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Colorado Shred Symposium To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Uh hello!!! Don't you know it's coming up really soon? Well get your but in gear and ask for the time off work or make your excuses to your mates or mothers as to why you just NEED to go. The dates: February 19th, 20th, & 21st. Many (dare I say most) of the best in the world will be in attendance for the phatest shred session that "kicks" off the new millenium. Check out www.footbag.org for all the specifics. Move it (wo)man! 'nuff said, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 10:00:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02412 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:00:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06063 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:50:43 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPC00F01J8CAF@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 01:50:36 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 01:50:36 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] anybody hit these To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all! Bit slow these days huh? Well, anyone hit these moves? Back to back ripped warriors Nuclear barfly (or maybe it's down double) Notation: clip> same out> op out> same out> op clip Like a pdx legbeater with an extra dex Toe tapping barrage: toe> op out> same in> same in> op toe Atomic barrage: Toe> op out> op in> same in> op toe Bye, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 10:00:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02422 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:00:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f37.hotmail.com [216.32.181.37]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA20905 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 06:20:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 66644 invoked by uid 0); 3 Feb 2000 14:20:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000203142004.66643.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.213.43.212 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 06:20:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.213.43.212] From: "Tom LaBeff" To: strup@pha.pvtnet.cz, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Artistic movement in circus Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 08:20:04 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jan, I've actually tried that move. It's pretty tough to get your whole body around the bag. I would consider it a full body around the world. I've found that sort lunging into the first half is important, and pulling back real hard when you've got the footbag behind you. It turns out to be much more of a oval with pointy ends than a circle. ^ / * \ \ / \/ Does that illustrate it well? Thomas LaBeff From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 21:42:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03006 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:42:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 8984 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2000 21:56:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000203215649.8983.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.211.223] by web2005.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 13:56:49 PST Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Re: Colo Shred Symp (rules of the game) To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad wrote: > Do you want some > guidelines? Be able to hit 2's and 3's. 4's > are not a necessity though > they will help. If I'm not mistaken (help me > Eli) only the tricks 3 adds > and above will count toward unique moves but > all 2's and up will go toward > your total add count. Well, that's almost all correct. Even 1 add tricks count for your adds (pro and interm). Say you start with a toe stall to a clipper to blur, legbeater, ripwalk, barfly, blurriest. You just busted a nice combo, but your add ratio suffers: 1+2+4+4+4+4+5 = 24 adds divided by 7 moves = 3.4 add ratio. And just to put it into perspective, say that's all you hit in the contest, your score would be: 24 + (3.4 x 5 uniques) = 41 (I'm doing it in my head so maybe it's not right). For comparison, say you do the exact same thing but you replace the toe and clipper with kicking into a butterfly (that's the same three adds but one less trick and one more unique). Then we have 3+4+4+4+4+5 = 24 adds divided by 6 moves = 4.0 add ratio. So your total score is 24 + (4.0 x 6 uniques) = 48. Pretty significant, though less so when you're doing a 30 contact string instead of a 6 or 7 contact string. Just wanted to see all that for myself anyway. Now you know what goes on in my head. > Please enter this event Ditto, but for different reasons than Brad. Bye for now, Intergalactic Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 21:42:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03011 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:42:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA28233 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:00:21 -0800 Received: (qmail 5809 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2000 21:13:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000203211336.5808.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.64] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 13:13:36 PST Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:13:36 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] phat @$$ mini combo To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey I just hit....... ripwalk>ripwalk>blur>pixie butterfly>ripwalk>pdx eggbeater.... cool?? I wont be going to the shred symposium thingy :( I have no way there :( Maybe Ill walk....hehe... later Jamez (ShreddinED) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 21:42:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03026 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:42:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 6925 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2000 22:16:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000203221629.6924.qmail@web2002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.211.223] by web2002.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 14:16:29 PST Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:16:29 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Colo Shred- the low down To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Let's talk business, If you are coming to Boulder you are in for a treat. The event is completely privately funded, that is, all expenses are coming out of the pockets of the Boulder Blades. What this means to you? All the entry fee money goes straight to prize money! We have AT LEAST 13 pros competing, so at $25 per person, that's $325 cash, plus the intermediate entry fees and any local businesses we get to kick down- wish us luck, Jonathan and I are going to the local business community on Friday (Feb.4) with promo videos in one hand and a letter and flyer for the vent in the other. So not bad for our first tournament, eh? We also have a bunch of bags for prizes- Mel Schneider, Carol Wedemeyer, Eric Wulff, Richie Abshire, Shay Wright, and Revolution Shred Bags (Paul Mestas) have all donated footbags for prizes. ... not to mention the player's packs, oops I mentioned them. I am stoked! Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 21:43:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03038 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:43:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 16274 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2000 22:21:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000203222146.16273.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.211.223] by web2006.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 14:21:46 PST Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:21:46 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Colo Shred- ROUTINES?? To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ok, one more thing. I was thinking since we have so many top quality footbags for prizes, I think we should have a somewhat informal routine comp. I haven't talked to the other BBlades about it yet, but we were already planning on having a demo for fun. Why not raise the anti to give a few prizes away with it? If we do this, it will be simple, ranking-style judging; one round (Sunday?). Sounds like fun to me. To those of you coming, how does that sound? Thanks. Eli Blade From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 22:36:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03101 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:36:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03098 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:36:21 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03163 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:35:57 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07330 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:34:29 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20000129215137.16354.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:35:17 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Re: Worlds Dates Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org As promised, I'm posting the results of the poll that I made to find out how many people who were planning to go to worlds were truly affected by the dates conflicting with schools. The poll results are shown at: http://www.footbag.org/poll/show/949095377 Please don't vote again since the poll will not be examined again. (It was a one-time poll. If you didn't reply, sorry, you missed your window.) The basic summary is: Only freestylers were polled (members of this e-mail list). Of those, almost half (19/45) said they could not attend because their schools were conflicting. The same number (19/45) said they were planning to attend and the dates didn't conflict. The rest (4/45) said they couldn't attend either way, and (3/45) said they weren't sure if they were going but the dates were okay. The results don't look great. I'll pass this information on to the Worlds committee with my recommendation that we consider alternate dates if possible. But please don't get your hopes up quite yet. Thanks. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Feb 4 00:46:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03174 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:46:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04836 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:29:23 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPE00B01CWUW2@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:29:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 01:29:18 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] phat @$$ mini combo In-reply-to: <20000203211336.5808.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> To: James Risden Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, James Risden wrote: > I just hit....... > > ripwalk>ripwalk>blur>pixie butterfly>ripwalk>pdx > eggbeater.... > > cool?? Very cool!! Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Feb 4 17:53:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04068 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:53:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net [129.250.36.42]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29491 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:42:23 -0800 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12GrQi-0002Cg-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:42:20 +0000 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (helo=[209.107.90.78]) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12GrT6-0006Az-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:44:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:01:08 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: [freestyle] Aerial Contest? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! At the Colorado Shred Symposium, in addition to the "competition" tentative for Sunday AM, how about an: Aerial Competition... where the players do the longest string of fliers and use the same formula as from the shred contest to determine the winner. The difference? Players could maybe get 3 attempts at a string of fliers, as opposed to a time limit. Rules need to be settled, but it sounds like fun, and it promotes a "lost art" of aerial moves to the young shredders who need to learn them the most. Doesn't have to be a prize money thing, just for fun maybe? What do you think? I'm looking forward to being there Saturday and Sunday (19+20)! Looking forward to the "World Record" competition for freestylers. Just looking forward anxiously. Shred on, brothers and sisters! See ya (soon)! Scott Davidson Enlightener. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Feb 4 20:34:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04141 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:34:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f46.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.46]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01050 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:58:15 -0800 Received: (qmail 12806 invoked by uid 0); 5 Feb 2000 03:57:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000205035744.12805.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:57:44 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: enlightener@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Aerial Contest? Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:57:44 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Scott Proposed: an: > >Aerial Competition... where the players do the longest string of fliers and >use the same formula as from the shred contest to determine the winner. >The difference? Players could maybe get 3 attempts at a string of fliers, >as opposed to a time limit. Rules need to be settled, While I still don't know if I'm going, would said contest have to be guiltless? CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 5 15:13:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05250 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:13:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web3401.mail.yahoo.com (web3401.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.55]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA14419 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 06:50:12 -0800 Message-ID: <20000205144942.13186.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.48.233.180] by web3401.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 06:49:42 PST Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 06:49:42 -0800 (PST) From: Owen Parrish Subject: Re: [freestyle] Aerial Contest? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Even though i'm not going. A aerial contest would be sweet. I love fliers. Thats why Eric Wulff is my favorite shredder. Total Package From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 5 20:49:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06060 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:49:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA05467 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:45:09 -0800 Received: (qmail 12857 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2000 04:45:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000206044509.12856.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.25] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 20:45:09 PST Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:45:09 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] three dexer To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, I finaly hit my first three dex move, pixie paradon..... Adam hit back to back ripwalks and a gyro mirage also.. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 9 13:46:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12031 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:46:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01927 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:56:04 -0800 Received: from puffer ([199.172.153.109]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with SMTP id <20000207174817.PTSL12915.ewey.excite.com@puffer>; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:48:17 -0800 Message-ID: <10327194.949945697005.JavaMail.imail@puffer> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:48:17 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Davidson To: KeN Somolinos , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Aerial Contest? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.107.90.78 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:57:44 EST, KeN Somolinos wrote: > Hi all, > Scott Proposed: > >Aerial Competition... where the players do the longest string of fliers and > >use the same formula as from the shred contest to determine the winner. > >The difference? Players could maybe get 3 attempts at a string of fliers, > >as opposed to a time limit. Rules need to be settled, > > While I still don't know if I'm going, would said contest have to be > guiltless? Not for fliers competition. The only one who could get an honorable guiltless flier string would be Eric (I heard 30 was his record... WOW!). I think a "No Tilt" rule would suffice, although there doesn't really need to be a rule like that... except to keep people from putting their multipliers through the roof by hitting "flying inside" or "flying toe" (one add fliers). It would sure be fun, and I personally believe that the new players aren't as well versed in flying moves... mostly because they don't see the top shredders doing them too often (except Eric). So to see the BAP doing fliers should be encouragement to the younger players to pursue this "lost" art. Oh, it would be a ton of fun too! See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 9 13:46:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12041 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:46:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (mta@goldenseal.3rd-coast.com [209.79.28.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17736 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:43:42 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (c1008757-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com [24.7.100.246]) by goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:03:47 -0800 Message-ID: <38A0F177.A335528F@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:47:51 -0600 From: "Derric Scalf" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] consecutive records Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wow. This list has been a little dead lately. So, in an effort to liven it up, here are a few records. If you see a change that needs to be made, let me know. Also, if you plan on setting a new record, please get it on video. I want to have video proof for all of the people that doubt the validity of these records. Here we go... 4 add moves: Barfly: 9 (Paul "Hu-mungis" Munger) Blender: 7 (Rippin' Rick Reese) Down Double Down: 5 (Sunil "Tsunami" Jani) Ducking Butterfly: 16 (Eric "The Ironman" Wulff) Dyno: 15 (Paul Mestas) Peeking Osis: 5 (Lon Smith) Paradox Drifter: 10 ("Intergalactic" Eli Piltz) Paradox Whirls: 28 ("The Enlightener" Scott Davidson) Ripstein: 2 (Jon Schneider) Ripwalk: 23 (Daryl "Genzu" Genz) Smog: 4 (Lon Smith) Spinning Butterfly: 19 (Eric "The Ironman" Wulff) Stepping Butterfly: 19 (Ken Somolinos) Spinning Osis: 6 (Lon Smith, Greg "GF Smoothie" Nelson) Symposium Eggbeater: 5 (Lynton Stephens) Symposium Toe Blur: 4 (Lynton Stephens) Symposium Whirl: 7 ("The Regulator" Ryan Mulroney) Torque (crispy style): 17 (Derric Scalf) Vortex: 2 (Red Fred You Shred Husted) Whirling Swirl: 4 (Jon Schneider) Witchdoctor: 5 (Lynton Stephens) Currently, I am keeping all of these records on http://www.dallasfootbag.org - just click on 'records'. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 9 13:46:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12051 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:46:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA02684 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:15:28 -0800 Received: (qmail 15100 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2000 17:46:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000207174621.15099.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.27] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 09:46:21 PST Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:46:21 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] sore shins? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, Im a lil' worried about my legs, and I was wondering...has anyone else ever experienced extremely sensitve shins as a result of too much hard core shredding? If anything touches my shins, I fall straight to the ground and cry like a lil bitch....why is this? Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 9 13:46:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12061 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:46:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10446 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:22:47 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPM00001RD9A5@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:22:21 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 14:22:20 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] anyone hit or tried these To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org So I was just daydreaming through my last class and thought of a few tricks and some people who may have hit them or who might be able to. Down double swirl A down double with one swirl at the end. clip> op out> op out> op back> same clip Daryl, Ryan? Ooooo how about blurrier swirl. Quadruple dex!!! Blurrage with an extra legover. It's a quadruple dex. Like a fog, but the second leg is doing two dexes. clip> op in> op in> same in> op out> same toe Sunil man, I've been watching your fog and you've got way too much time to stop at three dexes. I have faith you can push it. Tuan Ryan Hey, how about Atomic Double Leg-overs? Who's hitting them? I know you're out there. toe> op out> op in> op out> same toe Toe set fog (Quantum DLO) Toe blur with an extra legover toe> op in> op in> op out> same toe SUNIL??? Finally, has anyone else hit Gauntlet besides Dave? Blurry torque with a duck in the middle. clip> op in> duck> op in> op osis Sorry I can never remember how to word Osis in Job's Later all, Brad Oh yeah, get your butts to the Colorado Shred Symposium Feb. 19-21. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 9 13:47:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12073 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:47:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27454 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:37:26 -0800 Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12Ib3i-0003Hs-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:37:46 +0000 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (helo=[209.107.90.78]) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12Ib3p-0005XI-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:37:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:58:08 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: [freestyle] Footbag (Freestyle) on TV in Chicago and Denver! Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! Last years '99 Midwest Regionals were filmed by a local TV crew from the show "Up 'N Running" on the UPN network. It was a great segment and lots of fun! Thanks to all who helped during the filming! The makers of it tell me they are working on syndication deals where the "back" episodes would air in different places/networks throughout the US and the world.... we'll see if that happens. What we now know is: Airtimes: Chicago "Up 'N Running" February 13, 2000 7:30 A.M. CST UPN-TV Channel 50 (locally) Denver Area: "Up 'N Running" February 13 OR February 20th (they are not sure, but it will be one or the other). Check your local listing for Sunday airtime in Denver area. She was unsure of the airtime, but sure that it airs on Sunday sometime. UPN-TV Network See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 12:36:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13869 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:36:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f65.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA01294 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:32:57 -0800 Received: (qmail 19362 invoked by uid 0); 9 Feb 2000 22:32:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000209223248.19361.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:32:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:32:48 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Why? Because God did not create all men as equal as we might think. 'Sensitive' is a mild word for the pain I feel when my legs are touched. For some of us (you and I included), it is the name of the game. I personally can't hang with the daily shred bit, as I have some of the worst shin splints in the world. I usually cannot kick more than every other day, and usually that is really pushing it; my legs are total trash during the second session. So, as you can see, you are not alone. I know of a few exercises that you can do to strengthen them puppies up, but I if you are like me, they will still bother you. E-mail me personally, if you want to hear what I can help you with. Later, Ian D. >From: James Risden I was >wondering...has anyone else ever experienced extremely >sensitve shins as a result of too much hard core >shredding? >If anything touches my shins, I fall straight to the >ground and cry like a lil bitch....why is this? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 12:36:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13874 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:36:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f116.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.116]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA01860 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:58:07 -0800 Received: (qmail 32841 invoked by uid 0); 9 Feb 2000 22:57:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000209225758.32840.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.96.171.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:57:58 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.96.171.3] From: "Derric Scalf" To: cloudriz@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:57:58 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: James Risden > >Im a lil' worried about my legs, and I was >wondering...has anyone else ever experienced extremely >sensitve shins as a result of too much hard core >shredding? Shin splints are usually caused by poor arch supports. Lavers have no real support, so I rip out the insole and put a Dr. Scholl's arch support in there. If you are up north, I think the insole of choice is Spenco's - they aren't available in Texas, though. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 12:36:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13884 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:36:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f5.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA04842 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:11:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 69380 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 2000 01:11:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210011128.69379.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.137 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:11:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.137] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: cloudriz@yahoo.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:11:28 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org yes, when i first started "hardcore" shredding ('hardcore' for me is an hour a day :), my shins were really bad. they wouldn't plain hurt, but if i lightly bumped my shins on anything i would get tears in my eyes. they're still hurting but not much.. few things you have to make sure of: - get good INSOLES! (i use plain spenco's with an extra very thin layer of some cheap 99c ones) - STRETCH! you MUST stretch before you kick. make sure you stretch the calf! sit on the floor, straighten your legs out together in front of you, point your TOES as much as you can, and lean forward. also, the stretch against the wall: move one foot forward and stretch the calf on the other leg. - try to land softly and on your toes, not your heels. - don't over-exercise. you can usually feel your 'shins'/calf tense-up, at that point stop, walk it off a bit. - if you don't take care of shin-splits they become chronic .. for life that is. just take your game easy, take care of your legs. that includes shins, knees and everything else. better to rest for a week or two than to never be able to kick again. good luck. Stan. >From: James Risden >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] sore shins? >Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:46:21 -0800 (PST) > >Hey everyone, > >Im a lil' worried about my legs, and I was >wondering...has anyone else ever experienced extremely >sensitve shins as a result of too much hard core >shredding? >If anything touches my shins, I fall straight to the >ground and cry like a lil bitch....why is this? > >Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 12:36:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13889 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:36:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f239.hotmail.com [209.185.130.204]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06451 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:30:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 37511 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 2000 02:30:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210023014.37510.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.82.144.105 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:30:13 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.82.144.105] From: "Josh Wilson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Flexibility Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 02:30:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, Ok Hey everyone out there..well anyway...i see the people in the videos doing things with thier ankles that i cant seem to do..I think its just because of my flexibility. Well does anyone out there have any tips on getting there ankles more flexible for clipper stalls or anything. Thax, Josh Wilson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 12:36:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13894 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:36:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07330 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:11:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 9888 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2000 01:50:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210015042.9887.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.92] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:50:42 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:50:42 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] shredfobia To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, thanx to this website (www.hughston.com/hha/a.shin.htm) I am terrified of shred... Im thinking of taking a week or so off of shred and just practice all the basic crap like atw's and pixie sets..stuff that wont kill my shin...and i also recomend that anyone with shin pain should do the same damn, this sux...I havent missed a day of shred since me and Adam started about 9 months ago and i wanted to practice hitting pixie paradons.. and i can almost hit blurriest both sides..but now i gotta wait for a week :( well anywho Ill see you guys later... no i wont hehe Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 12:36:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13879 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:36:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00912 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:15:45 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.a.e10d9a (4562) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:15:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:15:32 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 2/9/00 5:48:12 PM, cloudriz@yahoo.com writes: << If anything touches my shins, I fall straight to the ground and cry like a lil bitch >> Maybe because you're a lil bitch ? ;) just kidding, jame"z". maybe it's shin splits? I've got the same thing, but only on my left leg (my support leg... talk about a serious side preference problem). Ice it and then take a hot bath and then stretch it... inside hurdler stretches are supposed to help, or so says my gym teacher. They want me to set up an interscholastic footbag competition... woohoo ;) some recognition of my fave sport. Matthew "Clever Nickname" Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 13:30:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14022 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:30:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18467 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:17:44 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPQ00B01GIA02@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:18:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:18:10 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Flexibility In-reply-to: <20000210023014.37510.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Josh Wilson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Josh Wilson wrote: > Ok Hey everyone out there..well anyway...i see the people in the videos > doing things with thier ankles that i cant seem to do.. First let me say that I hope you're not looking at Brian McKenzie when you make that statement because no one else can do THAT with their ankles. Unless of course you have them surgically removed and replaced sideways. >I think its just > because of my flexibility. Well does anyone out there have any tips on > getting there ankles more flexible for clipper stalls or anything. First stretch them out before and after you kick. Also, DO WALKOVERS. It's a fun way to practice because it stretches your ankles while you are doing a trick. Do them on both sides. Then the key to clipper stalls will be in your leg strength in that unused muscle that your body never meant to use that way. Good Luck, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 21:42:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14630 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:42:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f270.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.148.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20205 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:38:58 -0800 Received: (qmail 55487 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 2000 22:38:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210223847.55486.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.190.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:38:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.190.1] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:38:47 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org << Im a lil' worried about my legs, and I was wondering...has anyone else ever experienced extremely sensitve shins as a result of too much hard core shredding? >> I have been one of the many victims of shin splints. My 2 recommendations are: 1. Kick with more variety. If you do the same moves over and over, you're going to get repetitive stress. Do more moves on both sides. And/or, try different types of moves that are less stressful, i.e., spins, fliers, unusuals, etc. You might not like that idea at first, but your game will be better for it. 2. Examine your technique. Do you pound a lot when you kick? I certainly did and do. Try watching some vid and steal a bit of technique from players who are lighter on their toes, e.g., Regulator, Irish, etc. This will not be easy to do, but it's worth a try. My 2 Cents. DanK From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 21:42:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14635 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:42:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Forest Schrodt Received: from ego.mind.net (IDENT:mail@ego.mind.net [206.99.66.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19551 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:08:31 -0800 Received: from 206.151.159.203 (ip270.mind.net [206.151.159.203]) by ego.mind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02567 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:08:53 -0800 Message-ID: <38A2C671.6506@mind.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:08:55 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? References: <20000207174621.15099.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi James and others, I used to run track in high school and college. My first year of running I would get horrible shin splints, so bad that I would not be able to walk. The next year I had a new track coach who basically showed me how to prevent shin splints. What I was told is hapening when you get shin splints is that you are forming minie fractures in your shin bone from repeated impact. By strengthening the muscles around the shin bown you offer the shin bone more suport. 1) Shin muscle strengthening Before practicing, walk on your heels keeping your toes off of the ground. Walk around until the muscle on your shin is burning good.(if your shin splints are too bad, it may be too painful to do this right now) 2) Calve strengthening Do toe raises until your calves burn. 3) If you have a friend who can help you. Sit on your butt with your legs together and toes pointed. Have your friend put resistance on your feet while you lift your feet (lift from the ankles) up and down. Your friend should put resistance on your feet as you lift them up and as you push them down. Your friend should not put so much resistance that you can't move your feet fluidly up and down. Be sure to use your full range of motion while lifting your feet up and down. Do this till your shin and calve muscles burn. 4) Stretch your calves and shins. 5) Try not to freestyle on concrete. If you can kick on wood or carpet, do. 6) Ice 'o' sweet, sweet ice. 7) Take some calcium. Your shin bone will build up stronger if given the chance. 8) Taking an antinflamitory pain reliever can help with the pain, swelling and inflamation. If your shins are too painful to do these exercises then you need to take a break and just do #4,6,7,8. I have had excelent results by doing these 8 things. Shin splints are no fun; I hope that this was some help. Forest From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 21:45:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14659 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:45:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (mta@goldenseal.3rd-coast.com [209.79.28.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26441 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:54:58 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (c1008757-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com [24.7.100.246]) by goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:15:20 -0800 Message-ID: <38A39720.7447D90D@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:59:12 -0600 From: "Derric Scalf" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] new records Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone and thanks for the updates on all of those records. Here are some of the changes: 3 ADD moves: Cross-body Rake: 29 (James Roberts) Osis: 195 ("Wicked" Eric Windsor) Smear: 43 ("The Regulator" Ryan Mulroney) 4 add moves: Barfly: 9 (Paul "Hu-mungis" Munger, "The Enlightener" Scott Davidson) Ripwalk: 38 ("The Regulator" Ryan Mulroney) Stepping Butterfly: 38 ("The Regulator" Ryan Mulroney) 5 add moves: Blurry Whirl: 5 ("The Regulator" Ryan Mulroney, "The Enlightener" Scott Davidson) Paradox Symposium Whirl: 5 ("The Regulator" Ryan Mulroney) Whirlwind: 2 ("The Regulator" Ryan Mulroney) Again, the full list is on http://www.dallasfootbag.org under records. Go there and see if there are any that you can do - how about stepping osis, magellan, etc? Surely there are some worthy records on these... Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 21:45:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14664 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:45:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f55.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.55]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA20581 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:01:13 -0800 Received: (qmail 98635 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 2000 23:01:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210230110.98634.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:01:10 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:01:10 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Derric Scalf" >Shin splints are usually caused by poor arch >supports. Lavers have no real >support, so I rip out the insole and put a Dr. Scholl's arch support in >there. Wrong answer. I took your advice about this a while back, and I use the same ones you do. Yes, they help a bit, but I still have lots of problems. It isn't the solution, just a 'step' in the right direction. Later Ian D From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Feb 11 01:06:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14815 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 01:06:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28375 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:58:54 -0800 Received: from czpwa - 204.32.148.139 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:58:53 -0800 Message-ID: <001501bf746e$517e00a0$8b9420cc@czpwa> From: "Rick Reese" To: "shred" Subject: [freestyle] freestyle consecutive records Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:59:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id BAB14815 Hey Dallas and the surrounding area. The barfly record is held by Scott Davidson, it's somewhere around 15, help me out Scott! I've hit 8 blenders, Kosmo has hit 156 osis, Paul Munger has hit 3 paradox blenders, Scott has hit ...I believe... 28 paradox whirls, Daryl Genz (Genzu) has hit an unbelievable 8 Paradox Legbeaters, 28 Ripwalks, 3 Paradox Torques,20 Double Around the Worlds,10 Toe barrages, need i go on. OK, I will... i've also hit 7 Down doubles, 2 Ripsteins also, Kenny hit 5 Whirling Swirls.....POW. I also heard The Torch hit 8 Atom smashers... WOW. I'll think of some more after awhile,take it easy....Rippin. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 12 12:39:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17325 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:39:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from loom.online.ee (loom.online.ee [194.106.96.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA03935 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 07:30:34 -0800 Received: (qmail 14032 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2000 17:31:02 +0200 Received: from hi1-179.dyn.online.ee (HELO kasutaja) (194.106.108.179) by loom.online.ee with SMTP; 12 Feb 2000 17:31:02 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01bf756d$787e6e60$b36c6ac2@kasutaja> From: "Uve Poom" To: Subject: [freestyle] stomping and shooting Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:03:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone I've got two simple questions, which answers I am not sure about Does stomping give an extra add to the trick? I'd say it is not worth an add with low-add tricks, but what about higher ones? And does a shooting set give a trick three adds? Since it has one more dex than Pogo, it should (or have I misunderstood the description?) I am not capable of doing Pogo or Shooting, but I need to now it for some reasons. Thanks Uve 'arrow' Poom Estonia From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 12 12:39:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17330 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:39:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f149.hotmail.com [209.185.131.212]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03749 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:56:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 91695 invoked by uid 0); 11 Feb 2000 23:56:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000211235649.91694.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.61.245.156 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:56:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.61.245.156] From: "Joel Kubitscheck" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] reached the limit Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:56:49 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've been experiencing a bit of advancement withdrawal lately. I've been hacking on and off all my life, but lately more seriously. I've got a good handle on all of the basic 1,2, and most of the 3 add moves, but being 6'6, 240, it's hard to find the speed to do everything. If anyone has suggestions on underground or self patented moves which require great coordination but mediocre speed, they would be much appreciated. thanx Joel From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 12 12:39:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17335 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:39:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA31692 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:01:21 -0800 Received: (qmail 1326 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2000 20:07:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000211200745.1325.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.4] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:07:45 PST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:07:45 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] yeah!! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org As all you know...Ive decided to lay off the stepping moves for a week or so because of my shin pain... This is much better than I thought...now i can practice the atomic moves!!!! I finally hit a couple of what I think is atom smashers. toe>op out>op in> op toe= atom smasher? whatever that is, its a helluvalot harder than the legbeater...I can hit legbeater both sides but i can only hit "atom smashers" landing on my left toe does paradox atom smasher have its own name? I think i could hit one of those... later Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 12 12:40:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17342 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:40:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08289 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:26:06 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPU00I013GIDM@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:26:42 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:26:42 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? In-reply-to: <38A2C671.6506@mind.net> To: Forest Schrodt Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Forest Schrodt wrote: > 1) Shin muscle strengthening Before practicing, walk on your heels > keeping your toes off of the ground. Walk around until the muscle on > your shin is burning good.(if your shin splints are too bad, it may be > too painful to do this right now) Here's another really good excercise that you can do even when you don't have the time or if you're lazy about it. Anytime you are sitting down, have you your feet flat on the ground and repeatedly lift the front part of your feet up so that your heel is still touching the ground. I'm currently suffering from splints myself and this helps alot. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 12 12:39:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17320 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:39:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 2228 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2000 04:47:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000212044741.2227.qmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.252.241.203] by web1002.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:47:41 PST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:47:41 -0800 (PST) From: Ahren Gehrman Subject: [freestyle] freestyle consecutive records To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey yo, Just thought I would mention a record I broke yesterday. I hit 7 blurry whirls. Torch P.S. And a personal record, I hit 11 atom smashers, but I don't think that's the record. Didn't somebody hit like 14 or something? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 12 12:57:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17468 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:57:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08813 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:53:28 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPU00F014Q4G5@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:54:04 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:54:04 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] record ideas To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well crap! I was going to try and beat the ripwalk and smear records, and now they've practically doubled. I had what I think to be a cool idea. Of course I think most of my ideas are cool, so maybe it's not. Anyway, it's to have 2 trick combo records. Since this could go limitless with the amount of combos, it should be restricted to rewind combos 3 adds and higher. Some suggestions: paradon/ barrage legbeater/ blur eggbeater/ smear scrambled eggbeater/ fear double pixie/ double pickup toe blur/ omlette pixie butterfly/ double legover parkwalk/ schmoe (I think that's the name for stepping legover!?!) So what do you think (Derric)? Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 12 13:18:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17581 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:18:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f63.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA09073 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:10:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 8553 invoked by uid 0); 12 Feb 2000 21:10:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000212211050.8552.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:10:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: vesihydr@online.ee, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] stomping and shooting Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:10:50 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Howdy all, Uve Poom inquired: > >And does a shooting set give a trick three adds? >Since it has one more dex than Pogo, it should (or have I misunderstood the >description?) Shooting is very strange. Essentially, a shooting set is a pogo paradox reverse miraging set. Keep in mind that a pogo set is now only worth one add, because it is not significantly harder than a blurry set. A paradox reverse miraging set (aka nuclear set) usually gets two adds, one for the dex, and another for a paradox when it is present (pdx legbeater is given 5 adds, but a barfly with a plant is only 4). Shooting is a fusion of these two sets, but the adds sometimes get a little messed up. A clean shooting set is usually worth three adds. One add for the pogo dexterity, one add for the nuclear dexterity, and one add for the pdx in the nuclear set. You can lose adds if: 1. You "slur" the first dex in the shoot, which is pretty common. 2. The move executed after the shoot set technically nullifies the pdx inherent in the set. Dumb, but true. In order to get a really clean shooting set, really try and think of it as a pogo followed by an almost immediate atomic/nuclear style dexterity. This set will give you abs of steel, but it can also give you shin splints, so use it in moderation. I hope this helped clear things up a little. Happy Valentine's Day, Ken CF Somolinos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 14 20:46:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24176 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:46:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13550 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:19:59 -0800 Received: (qmail 17903 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2000 02:20:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000213022037.17902.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.225] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:20:37 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:20:37 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Reply-To: Jamez@ColonaFootbag.org Subject: [freestyle] hahahahaha To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hit a smog and an atom smasher with no shoes on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! later jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 14 20:46:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24198 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:46:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (mta@goldenseal.3rd-coast.com [209.79.28.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08365 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:07:10 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (c1008757-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com [24.7.100.246]) by goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:27:54 -0800 Message-ID: <38A7019E.19878145@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 13:10:22 -0600 From: "Derric Scalf" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] record ideas References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Kaplan wrote: > have 2 trick combo > records. Since this could go limitless with the amount of combos, it > should be restricted to rewind combos 3 adds and higher. I like this idea, but we could also add some other combos. Personally, I like the combos that work both sides too... blur > paradon, stepping mirage > legbeater, pdx whirl > pdx drifter, etc. So, if anyone has a combo that they can easily hit, send it my way with your record. Once I get enough of these, I'll post them. And, as always, video verification would be great. Eventually, I want to have the list only contain the video verified runs, so if you are planning on going for a record, bust out the camera. Later. -D From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 14 20:46:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24199 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:46:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02093 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:54:19 -0800 Received: (qmail 10556 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2000 20:30:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000214203037.10555.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.87] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:30:37 PST Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:30:37 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Reply-To: Jamez@ColonaFootbag.org Subject: [freestyle] my phat combo To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org sorry but i just had to post about the sweet combo i just hit.... ripwalk>ripwalk>blur>pixie butterfly>osis>butterfly>blur> legbeater>osis>butterfly>spinning butterfly>osis>butterfly>drop later Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 14 20:45:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24171 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:45:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f215.hotmail.com [216.32.181.215]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA09790 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:59:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 90827 invoked by uid 0); 12 Feb 2000 21:59:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000212215950.90826.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.150.50.136 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:59:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.150.50.136] From: "Tom Labeff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] General. Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:59:50 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Freestyle World!!!!!!!!!!1 Sorry for having been quiet for so long. I've been brooding over whether or not footbag is going to have a future in my life. To answer that quickly, yes. Here's the scenario. This isn't a pity trip. I live in cold LaCrosse, WI here in the midwest, and I am not complaining because unless you live as a recluse, you can find somewhere to play. So anyway, about a year and a half ago I picked this sport up, inspired by a guy named Evan who played, that I met at a joint called Crossfire downtown. He was almost up to hitting a couple threes smoothly, but the gracefulness he and fluidity of hack was something beautiful to me, and I wanted to be able to do it, better than anyone. (high expectations,huh?) So I started with basics, amazed at the flying clipper, and started to bring my bag to Crossfire every Friday night. To this day, because of the first time I brought my bag, footbag has been one of the biggest attractions at Crossfire. Here's my dilema. Crossfire is always packed with people, and there is always people coming in and out of the circle, and most of them just kill my vibe. Now don't get me wrong, I was a newbie once, but these people just come in the circle for a conversation or out of boredom. Some are getting the basic kicks down, which is good, but none take it anything close to seriously. My buddy Evan has left to New Zealand, and the other pretty good guy, Izzo, is a youth leader, therefore his time is needed elsewhere. So it all comes down to......I got noone to kick with. I know that I would be much better if I just had one fellow enthusiast. It doesn't seem to be catching on well. (I could have something to do with it, but I honestly don't think so.) Noone understands the potential marvel of footbag. Fellow Footbaggers...you had better get used to the name Thomas LaBeff, because when I get mobile, there ain't gonna be a tournament you won't see me at. I will drill you with questions until my tongue falls off. And I am going to try and get better than you. Ryan Mulroney, you better hide when you see me at the tournaments, because I got a lot to ask you. Eric Wulff, I know you already have a bad impression of me, but I like you, and I see that you got style almost untouchable, but I want it. Ya see, I'm good at a lot of things; ya know, the Jack of all trades complex, but a master of none? I hate it, and I'm gonna keep practicing footbag till I'm not just another player. I love you all and want to thank you for the invaluable knowledge of footbag you've given me. Now if I just figure out how to use it all... Thanks Thomas LaBeff From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 14 20:46:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24201 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:46:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f127.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.127]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02741 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:18:08 -0800 Received: (qmail 20547 invoked by uid 0); 14 Feb 2000 22:18:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000214221818.20546.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:18:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? (Correction) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:18:18 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Forest Schrodt >What I was told is hapening when >you get shin splints is that you are forming minie fractures in your >shin bone from repeated impact. By strengthening the muscles around the >shin bown you offer the shin bone more suport. Your suggestions for shin workouts are great, but a shinsplints really have nothing to do with the bone. Your coach, as with most high school coaches, didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. It is actually when your shin muscles (tibial and extensor muscles) are inflamed and sometimes have microseparations over the bone beneath them. They are caused by two things: Over developed calves(relative to your shins) and lots of hard pounding on hard surfaces. And we wonder why stylers are such a shin-sensitive lot.... :) Soon, I will post a message I wrote to Jamez Risden that has a good deal of various exercises for shinsplints. Need to clarify a bit of the exercises for purposes of understanding. Later, Ian D. PS Different strokes for different folks... Arch supports work for Derric S., Spencos work for Scott D., and exercising the right muscles work for a lot of people. Though, I must say none of them work very well for me... My shins are freaks... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 14 20:46:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24194 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:46:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23441 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:59:31 -0800 Received: from puffer ([199.172.153.109]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with SMTP id <20000214160016.BPIX302.ewey.excite.com@puffer>; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:00:16 -0800 Message-ID: <30517996.950544016878.JavaMail.imail@puffer> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:00:16 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Davidson To: Ian Dubman , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.107.90.78 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:01:10 CST, Ian Dubman wrote: >Lavers have no real > >support, so I rip out the insole and put a Dr. Scholl's arch support in > >there. > > Wrong answer. I took your advice about this a while back, and I use the > same ones you do. Yes, they help a bit, but I still have lots of problems. > It isn't the solution, just a 'step' in the right direction. Maybe some of you missed my posts on this (about once a year). My solution was to use the generic SPENCO insoles (with no arch support), one size fits most, about $8 at stores. Hey, it worked for me... BIG TIME! See ya! Scott. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 14 20:46:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24195 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:46:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25996 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 00:51:48 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPV00B011Z1I3@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:52:13 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:52:13 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Record (temporarily) To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hit 13 Magellans today, then I hit a wall (literally). I was going to keep trying to beat it but my shin splints wouldn't allow it. I'm not sure if it's the record and I didn't have my camera at work so you'll have to trust me. Hopefully I'll beat it next week at the Shred Symposium (which you should all be attending) so I'll a have a witness or two. Hey here's an idea to add to tournaments. It'd be a non-prize money event but good fun. Beating consecutive records. You pick a record you want to go for and get three tries to beat it. Bye for now, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 15 09:19:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24979 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:19:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f307.hotmail.com [216.32.180.161]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA24221 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 05:06:44 -0800 Received: (qmail 88692 invoked by uid 0); 15 Feb 2000 13:07:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000215130707.88691.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.95.19.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 05:07:06 PST X-Originating-IP: [134.95.19.22] From: "Adriana Giuliani" To: mufreestyle@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? (Correction) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 05:07:06 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Here comes a medical suggestion. Old and chronic injuries should never be treated cold or with ice but roomtemperature. There is a homeopathic remedy out cold Traumeel S. This cream is from Germany but is also procurable in Health stores around the US. The Brand is called Heel. I've been working with this remedy for years and it works wonders. I've started practicing on a thick carpet. Whenever possible I avoid concret and uneven grass. Good luck. Adriana From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 10:46:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26245 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:46:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2006.mail.yahoo.com (web2006.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.206]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02743 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:15:34 -0800 Received: (qmail 8590 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2000 20:16:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000215201628.8589.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.159.133] by web2006.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:16:28 PST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:16:28 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Shredding in Boulder- The Main Event To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up, everyone? The weekend is right around the corner; I just want to pass on a little helpful info: There's no telling what the weather will be like; with global warming at hand it's pretty much summer everyday here with an occasinal snow storm moving through then melting within a day or two. Right now it's dumping in the high country, so it might move in or it might stay up there- no telling. So expect beautiful, 70 degree, and sunny days, but bring a warm coat and fleece pants just in case. If you are driving, you might want to print the info off the Shred Symposium details at http://www.footbag.org/events We will have a player's party on Sunday at 8pm (ish) at the Mellow Mushroom on Pearl St. (I think it's at 17th or 18th). I think that's about it, Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 10:48:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26258 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:48:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03422 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:37:09 -0800 Received: from sympatico.ca (ppp653.qc.bellglobal.com [206.172.240.77]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28351; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:43:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A9B98F.59C12260@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:39:43 -0500 From: Pierre-Pascal Gauthier X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adriana Giuliani , "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? (Correction) References: <20000215130707.88691.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id MAA25124 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It's great to have people around giving tips on how to relieve pain or on how to heal an injury, but beware of "medical" suggestions that in fact are not medical at all! I study in biochemistry, and I can tell, homeopathy is working as a placebo, but never as a drug. This cream might relieve pain as well as thousands of other creams, but it is not a medication or a drug. Perhaps the cream is working, but I believe that playing on carpet and avoiding hard surfaces is the real remedy... Take care everyone! Adriana Giuliani a Ècrit : > Here comes a medical suggestion. > Old and chronic injuries should never be treated cold or with ice but > roomtemperature. There is a homeopathic remedy out cold Traumeel S. This > cream is from Germany but is also procurable in Health stores around the US. > The Brand is called Heel. I've been working with this remedy for years and > it works wonders. I've started practicing on a thick carpet. Whenever > possible I avoid concret and uneven grass. > Good luck. > Adriana From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 10:48:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26268 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:48:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA11803 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:55:43 -0800 Received: (qmail 14644 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2000 00:56:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000216005636.14643.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.45.225.2] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:56:36 PST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:56:36 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Windsor Subject: Re: [freestyle] record ideas To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: Brad Kaplan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Said: > Anyway, it's to > have 2 trick combo > records. Since this could go limitless with the > amount of combos, it > should be restricted to rewind combos 3 adds and > higher. > Some suggestions: > paradon/ barrage > legbeater/ blur > eggbeater/ smear etc. Hi Brad and Everybody else. I think this is a great Idea. I would love to go for the paradon barrage record. I noticed all of the examples you used are combos are one side. What about other combos such as: blur/paradon blender/down double atom smasher/eggbeater spinning butterfly/pdx. whirl paradox drifter/blender ripwalk/whirling swirl What about taking it a step farther than that and also notating records for 3 trick combos such as: atomsmasher/legbeater/blur "rubberman combo"? What about 4 trick combos like ripwalk/ripwalk/blur/paradon? I believe if you start posting combo records you will get more people participating since alot of people are good at certain combos not just individual moves. Eric Windsor O /|\ o \\ _// ` P.S. Can't wait to see everyone in boulder. I'd especially like to see all you guys at Boulder who post their latest tricks and combos to the list all the time. Some of you new guys have some awesome trick records. You can talk about hitting this and that all day long, but I want to see it. You know who you are!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 10:48:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26263 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:48:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA05558 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:45:45 -0800 Received: (qmail 22342 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2000 21:22:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000215212220.22341.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.63] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:22:20 PST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:22:20 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Reply-To: Jamez@ColonaFootbag.org Subject: [freestyle] thanx everyone To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, I would just like to thank everyone for their advice on treating my horrible leg disease... Since Ian's e-mail, my shins have gotten waaaay better... What I did was I had my 5-year-old lil sister stand on my feet and I kept raising my toes for about 20 min... worked great!!!! I would of had my shred bro stand on my feet but that would be crazy since hes 8 foot 11 and about 200 lbs. just kidding adam.. thanx Jamez P.S. I hit a blurry whirl From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 22:01:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26905 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:01:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f161.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.161]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17668 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:15:57 -0800 Received: (qmail 75935 invoked by uid 0); 17 Feb 2000 01:16:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000217011628.75934.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.53 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:16:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.53] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] movename? Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:16:28 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, while trying to hit clipper-set barrage, i thought of a move. i looked it up on the movelist, but couldn't find it. it's like fury only you don't plant for the pdx mirage clip > op in > same in > (no plant while> op in > op toe is this a 5 or a 6 add move? is there a name for this one? (symposium fury?) just thoughts Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 22:01:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26915 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:01:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA20118 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:59:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 26248 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2000 03:00:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000217030032.26247.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.120] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:00:32 PST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:00:32 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] record ideas To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wicked Windsor: >. Some of you new guys have some awesome >trick records. You can talk about hitting this and >that all day long, but I want to see it. You know who >you are!! That would have to be me! There is no possible way I could get to Colorado this weekend, I got tons of time on my hands but no way there...Why cant there be any tourneys in the midwest??? I would so love to go to a tournament and show off all the stuff that I CAN do, And watch some stuff as well.. later, Jamez P.S. triplessly sealing paradons!! :) haha From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 22:01:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26900 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:01:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24168 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:50:04 -0800 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA34920 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:51:04 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:51:04 -0800 (PST) From: Sunil Jani To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] SICK FAQ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Lovely Freestylers: I just wanted to notify everyone that Ahren "SCORCH" Gehrman hit 19 atom smashers in a row during today's session. It was so scary how easily he did it. (He wasn't even breathing hard afterwards)... sheesh. Tsunami From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 22:01:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26910 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:01:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18793 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:54:55 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.36.23bbb8c (4199) for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:55:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36.23bbb8c.25dcaf0b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:55:23 EST Subject: [freestyle] 2 dexerity To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone! Hows it goin? I wish I could be at any competitions that everyone is talking about. But, when you don't have a driver license and you live basically no where near any of these(hint: Sweet Home Alabama), it makes it kinda' hard to go to those things. . . Anyway, I am having problems with 2 dexerity moves. I try to double atw but I'm just not fast enough. I can do atw with ease now, but not 2...So I was wondering if anyone could give me some help on these. I feel this is the only way I can get into higher add moves. -Evan "Skykicker" Edmondson P.S. I am proud to say I'm starting to link my moves together pretty good. Some of my simple combos that I'm trying to do(and gotten really close to doing many times) are atw>Butterfly>Mirage>drop> Some others are atw>buttefly>osis>reverse mirage(illusion)>drop From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 23:29:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27025 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:29:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29083 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:21:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 18766 invoked by alias); 17 Feb 2000 07:22:49 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 18752 invoked by uid 0); 17 Feb 2000 07:22:48 -0000 Received: from kkdialup220.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.120.220) by dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2000 07:22:48 -0000 Message-ID: <38ABA1E0.7CD31782@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:23:13 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] What is this? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just hit a couple of these... CLIP > SAME OUT > OP TOE What is this called? M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 23:29:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27035 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:29:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29105 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:23:14 -0800 Received: (qmail 20674 invoked by alias); 17 Feb 2000 07:24:17 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 20634 invoked by uid 0); 17 Feb 2000 07:24:15 -0000 Received: from kkdialup220.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.120.220) by dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2000 07:24:15 -0000 Message-ID: <38ABA238.AF1B83B@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:24:40 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Butterfly kick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Why is a butterfly kick worth three adds? It seems way too easy to be worth three to me. I think the two add dragonfly kick is actually more difficult. M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 17 01:04:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27113 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:04:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09244 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:58:06 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQ200N01GYHF1@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:59:05 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:59:05 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] record ideas In-reply-to: <20000216005636.14643.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> To: ERiC WiNDSoR Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, ERiC WiNDSoR wrote: > examples you used are combos are one side. What about > other combos such as: > blur/paradon > blender/down double > atom smasher/eggbeater > spinning butterfly/pdx. whirl > paradox drifter/blender > ripwalk/whirling swirl These are great ideas. I Think Derric had suggested the same thing. > What about taking it a step farther than that and also > notating records for 3 trick combos such as: > atomsmasher/legbeater/blur "rubberman combo"? > > What about 4 trick combos like > ripwalk/ripwalk/blur/paradon? Now all that's up to Derric since he keeps track of it all. What do you say Derric? Want the extra work? > especially like to see all you guys at Boulder who > post their latest tricks and combos to the list all > the time. Some of you new guys have some awesome > trick records. You can talk about hitting this and > that all day long, but I want to see it. You know who > you are!! Yaaa! Something smells fishy here!!! Get to Boulder, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 17 01:09:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27134 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:09:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11817 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:04:15 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQ200H01H8T0W@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:05:18 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:05:17 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] 2 dexerity In-reply-to: <36.23bbb8c.25dcaf0b@aol.com> To: Evan Edmondson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Evan Edmondson wrote: > Anyway, I am having problems with 2 dexerity moves. I try to double atw > but I'm just not fast enough. I can do atw with ease now, but not 2...So I > was wondering if anyone could give me some help on these. I feel this is the > only way I can get into higher add moves. This trick took me about one week of solid work. One of the most important things I noticed back then was that I was trying to hard. Believe me your legs are fast enough. You have plenty of time. Practice the move without the bag (that goes for all moves). Work on the motions then try again. That's not all the advice to the move, but it should help. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 17 01:14:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27157 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:14:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14828 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:10:59 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQ200N01HK08Y@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:12:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:12:00 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] What is this? In-reply-to: <38ABA1E0.7CD31782@uswest.net> To: Matt Wafaie Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > CLIP > SAME OUT > OP TOE > What is this called? Paradox Reverse Mirage, or Paradox Illusion. Illusion being the relatively new suggestion for "reverse mirage" Which I think is a great idea that all should embrace. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 17 01:32:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27200 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:32:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16576 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:14:57 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQ200K01HQNRD@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:15:59 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:15:59 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Butterfly kick In-reply-to: <38ABA238.AF1B83B@uswest.net> To: Matt Wafaie Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Matt Wafaie wrote: > Why is a butterfly kick worth three adds? It seems way too > easy to be worth three to me. I think the two add dragonfly > kick is actually more difficult. Because it involves and extra body movement (you know the jumping up in the air thing) and that's worth an extra add which takes the place of the delay add in a normal butterfly. As far as Butterflier vs. Dragonfly, it is a matter of style I believe. I hit Dragonfly (and Pixie Dragonfly for that matter) a whole lot better than Butterflier. Later all,