From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 1 12:29:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32337 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:29:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f191.hotmail.com [216.32.181.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA01719 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:42:31 -0800 Received: (qmail 73952 invoked by uid 0); 1 Feb 2000 19:42:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000201194200.73951.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.213.43.194 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:41:59 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.213.43.194] From: "Tom LaBeff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Trick Names Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 13:41:59 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yeah, 'orbit' sucks anyway. I get your point with the name being visually descriptive. Thanks for your thoughts. Thomas LaBeff From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 1 12:30:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32344 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:30:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net (mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net [198.209.253.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29490 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 06:26:02 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (mail.mlerf.org [207.160.174.60]) by mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA19681 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:25:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: [freestyle] Fossilized Chicken Visits Dallas! Message-Id: <000001115603032259960@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 08:26:00 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 3.2.1 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org (Freestyle Listserve) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yep, I'm coming to Dallas - I will be in Dallas this Thursday and Friday. I'm working at the UT Transplant Services in the 5000 block of Harry Hines Blvd. I've got a very late flight out on Friday, so I would be able to meet and kick a little that evening. Anybody up for some styling with the funky fossilized chicken? ______________________________________ Derrick Fogle Foundation Computing Services Missouri Lions Eye Research Foundation Heartland Lions Eye Banks From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 1 13:12:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32418 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 13:12:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03673 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 13:08:39 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FP900901S266Y@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:08:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 14:08:30 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colorado shred In-reply-to: <38967E8A.9A267A41@uswest.net> To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Matt Wafaie wrote: > excited. I've gotten cleared for Saturday and sunday but > haven't decided if I'll compete as an intermediate. I'll > probably get there and be intimidated and chicken out. I'm > still excited though! Man I am seriously disappointed in many people regarding this very thing. I have two friends who are going to be there who I think really ought to compete in the intermediate shred. I myself want to compete, but I feel I'm at that place where I am in between intermediate and open. If I were to compete open I know I'd just be giving $25 to the likes of Sunil, Daryl, Rick, Eli, Dave, etc.... If I compete intermediate, I'll be sandbagging. So all you people who are chickening out in the intermediate division for this event had better pick your balls (uh footbags) up off the ground and get an ounce of courage to enter the competition. You won't make anymore an ass of yourself than everyone else. Do you want some guidelines? Be able to hit 2's and 3's. 4's are not a necessity though they will help. If I'm not mistaken (help me Eli) only the tricks 3 adds and above will count toward unique moves but all 2's and up will go toward your total add count. Also, don't let the pre-event circle shred get you up or down. In the actual event ANYONE (yes ANYONE) could screw up ROYALLY. Please enter this event because I'll be pissed if not enough people enter and I could have gone in and won the whole thing. Boulder's waiting, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 1 18:55:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00354 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:55:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08887 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:17:17 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.b0.e01230 (3963) for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:16:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:16:39 EST Subject: [freestyle] what is this... To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org what is CLIP>SAME OUT>OP CLIP What is it when it is a clip.same out. same clip how many adds is it? -E.E P.S I've been hitting this trick with ease,thats why i want to know, From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 2 23:17:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01914 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:17:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11116 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:15:54 -0800 Received: from alaska (dhcp31186007.columbus.rr.com [24.31.186.7]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20655; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 22:15:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00ee01bf6d2b$c8461280$07ba1f18@alaska> Reply-To: "Vern DeHaven" From: "Vern DeHaven" To: "Evan Edmondson" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] what is this... Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 22:15:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Evan, It's a butterfly, or an infinity if hit off another butterfly, both three adds. Check out the URL below for other move questions: http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/ nreV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Edmondson" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 8:16 PM Subject: [freestyle] what is this... what is CLIP>SAME OUT>OP CLIP What is it when it is a clip.same out. same clip how many adds is it? -E.E P.S I've been hitting this trick with ease,thats why i want to know, From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 2 23:17:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01924 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:17:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23763 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:33:52 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPB00C01W8D5P@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 17:33:49 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 17:33:49 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] what is this... In-reply-to: To: Evan Edmondson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Evan Edmondson wrote: > what is > CLIP>SAME OUT>OP CLIP This is a butterfly. Butterfly is one of the moves you can hit from different sets and it keeps the same name. Some examples: toe>same out> op clip toe>op out> op clip clip> op out> op clip All of those are considered butterflies. Now the if you do the one you asked about back to back it is called an infinity. Butterflies are 3 adds. > What is it when it is a clip.same out. same clip > how many adds is it That's a paradox reverse drifter or ROYALE, and it's 4 adds. Is this the one you said you're hitting regularly or was it the butterfly? Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 2 23:17:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01919 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:17:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f246.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA11244 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:22:00 -0800 Received: (qmail 76689 invoked by uid 0); 2 Feb 2000 03:21:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000202032120.76688.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2000 19:21:20 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: MasteCid@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] what is this... Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 22:21:20 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all. Evan inquired: >what is >CLIP>SAME OUT>OP CLIP This is an infinity style butterfly. >What is it when it is a clip.same out. same clip This is pdx reverse drifter, or Royale. Tack on a swirl, and you've got Royale w/Cheese. >how many adds is it? The first is an easy 3, the second is a hard 4. >P.S I've been hitting this trick with ease,thats why i want to know, I'm assuming you mean the first move. If you mean the second one, my hat's off to you. School them butterflies. CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 10:00:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02417 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:00:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10880 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 01:03:20 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPC00E01JTGFU@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 02:03:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 02:03:15 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Colorado Shred Symposium To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Uh hello!!! Don't you know it's coming up really soon? Well get your but in gear and ask for the time off work or make your excuses to your mates or mothers as to why you just NEED to go. The dates: February 19th, 20th, & 21st. Many (dare I say most) of the best in the world will be in attendance for the phatest shred session that "kicks" off the new millenium. Check out www.footbag.org for all the specifics. Move it (wo)man! 'nuff said, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 10:00:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02412 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:00:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06063 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:50:43 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPC00F01J8CAF@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 01:50:36 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 01:50:36 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] anybody hit these To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all! Bit slow these days huh? Well, anyone hit these moves? Back to back ripped warriors Nuclear barfly (or maybe it's down double) Notation: clip> same out> op out> same out> op clip Like a pdx legbeater with an extra dex Toe tapping barrage: toe> op out> same in> same in> op toe Atomic barrage: Toe> op out> op in> same in> op toe Bye, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 10:00:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02422 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:00:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f37.hotmail.com [216.32.181.37]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA20905 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 06:20:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 66644 invoked by uid 0); 3 Feb 2000 14:20:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000203142004.66643.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.213.43.212 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 06:20:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.213.43.212] From: "Tom LaBeff" To: strup@pha.pvtnet.cz, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Artistic movement in circus Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 08:20:04 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jan, I've actually tried that move. It's pretty tough to get your whole body around the bag. I would consider it a full body around the world. I've found that sort lunging into the first half is important, and pulling back real hard when you've got the footbag behind you. It turns out to be much more of a oval with pointy ends than a circle. ^ / * \ \ / \/ Does that illustrate it well? Thomas LaBeff From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 21:42:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03006 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:42:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 8984 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2000 21:56:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000203215649.8983.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.211.223] by web2005.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 13:56:49 PST Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Re: Colo Shred Symp (rules of the game) To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad wrote: > Do you want some > guidelines? Be able to hit 2's and 3's. 4's > are not a necessity though > they will help. If I'm not mistaken (help me > Eli) only the tricks 3 adds > and above will count toward unique moves but > all 2's and up will go toward > your total add count. Well, that's almost all correct. Even 1 add tricks count for your adds (pro and interm). Say you start with a toe stall to a clipper to blur, legbeater, ripwalk, barfly, blurriest. You just busted a nice combo, but your add ratio suffers: 1+2+4+4+4+4+5 = 24 adds divided by 7 moves = 3.4 add ratio. And just to put it into perspective, say that's all you hit in the contest, your score would be: 24 + (3.4 x 5 uniques) = 41 (I'm doing it in my head so maybe it's not right). For comparison, say you do the exact same thing but you replace the toe and clipper with kicking into a butterfly (that's the same three adds but one less trick and one more unique). Then we have 3+4+4+4+4+5 = 24 adds divided by 6 moves = 4.0 add ratio. So your total score is 24 + (4.0 x 6 uniques) = 48. Pretty significant, though less so when you're doing a 30 contact string instead of a 6 or 7 contact string. Just wanted to see all that for myself anyway. Now you know what goes on in my head. > Please enter this event Ditto, but for different reasons than Brad. Bye for now, Intergalactic Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 21:42:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03011 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:42:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA28233 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:00:21 -0800 Received: (qmail 5809 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2000 21:13:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000203211336.5808.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.64] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 13:13:36 PST Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:13:36 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] phat @$$ mini combo To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey I just hit....... ripwalk>ripwalk>blur>pixie butterfly>ripwalk>pdx eggbeater.... cool?? I wont be going to the shred symposium thingy :( I have no way there :( Maybe Ill walk....hehe... later Jamez (ShreddinED) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 21:42:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03026 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:42:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 6925 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2000 22:16:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000203221629.6924.qmail@web2002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.211.223] by web2002.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 14:16:29 PST Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:16:29 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Colo Shred- the low down To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Let's talk business, If you are coming to Boulder you are in for a treat. The event is completely privately funded, that is, all expenses are coming out of the pockets of the Boulder Blades. What this means to you? All the entry fee money goes straight to prize money! We have AT LEAST 13 pros competing, so at $25 per person, that's $325 cash, plus the intermediate entry fees and any local businesses we get to kick down- wish us luck, Jonathan and I are going to the local business community on Friday (Feb.4) with promo videos in one hand and a letter and flyer for the vent in the other. So not bad for our first tournament, eh? We also have a bunch of bags for prizes- Mel Schneider, Carol Wedemeyer, Eric Wulff, Richie Abshire, Shay Wright, and Revolution Shred Bags (Paul Mestas) have all donated footbags for prizes. ... not to mention the player's packs, oops I mentioned them. I am stoked! Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 21:43:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03038 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:43:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 16274 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2000 22:21:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000203222146.16273.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.211.223] by web2006.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 14:21:46 PST Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:21:46 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Colo Shred- ROUTINES?? To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ok, one more thing. I was thinking since we have so many top quality footbags for prizes, I think we should have a somewhat informal routine comp. I haven't talked to the other BBlades about it yet, but we were already planning on having a demo for fun. Why not raise the anti to give a few prizes away with it? If we do this, it will be simple, ranking-style judging; one round (Sunday?). Sounds like fun to me. To those of you coming, how does that sound? Thanks. Eli Blade From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 3 22:36:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03101 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:36:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03098 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:36:21 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03163 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:35:57 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07330 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:34:29 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20000129215137.16354.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:35:17 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Re: Worlds Dates Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org As promised, I'm posting the results of the poll that I made to find out how many people who were planning to go to worlds were truly affected by the dates conflicting with schools. The poll results are shown at: http://www.footbag.org/poll/show/949095377 Please don't vote again since the poll will not be examined again. (It was a one-time poll. If you didn't reply, sorry, you missed your window.) The basic summary is: Only freestylers were polled (members of this e-mail list). Of those, almost half (19/45) said they could not attend because their schools were conflicting. The same number (19/45) said they were planning to attend and the dates didn't conflict. The rest (4/45) said they couldn't attend either way, and (3/45) said they weren't sure if they were going but the dates were okay. The results don't look great. I'll pass this information on to the Worlds committee with my recommendation that we consider alternate dates if possible. But please don't get your hopes up quite yet. Thanks. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Feb 4 00:46:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03174 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:46:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04836 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:29:23 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPE00B01CWUW2@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:29:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 01:29:18 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] phat @$$ mini combo In-reply-to: <20000203211336.5808.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> To: James Risden Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, James Risden wrote: > I just hit....... > > ripwalk>ripwalk>blur>pixie butterfly>ripwalk>pdx > eggbeater.... > > cool?? Very cool!! Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Feb 4 17:53:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04068 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:53:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net [129.250.36.42]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29491 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:42:23 -0800 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12GrQi-0002Cg-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:42:20 +0000 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (helo=[209.107.90.78]) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12GrT6-0006Az-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:44:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:01:08 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: [freestyle] Aerial Contest? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! At the Colorado Shred Symposium, in addition to the "competition" tentative for Sunday AM, how about an: Aerial Competition... where the players do the longest string of fliers and use the same formula as from the shred contest to determine the winner. The difference? Players could maybe get 3 attempts at a string of fliers, as opposed to a time limit. Rules need to be settled, but it sounds like fun, and it promotes a "lost art" of aerial moves to the young shredders who need to learn them the most. Doesn't have to be a prize money thing, just for fun maybe? What do you think? I'm looking forward to being there Saturday and Sunday (19+20)! Looking forward to the "World Record" competition for freestylers. Just looking forward anxiously. Shred on, brothers and sisters! See ya (soon)! Scott Davidson Enlightener. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Feb 4 20:34:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04141 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:34:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f46.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.46]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01050 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:58:15 -0800 Received: (qmail 12806 invoked by uid 0); 5 Feb 2000 03:57:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000205035744.12805.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:57:44 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: enlightener@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Aerial Contest? Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:57:44 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Scott Proposed: an: > >Aerial Competition... where the players do the longest string of fliers and >use the same formula as from the shred contest to determine the winner. >The difference? Players could maybe get 3 attempts at a string of fliers, >as opposed to a time limit. Rules need to be settled, While I still don't know if I'm going, would said contest have to be guiltless? CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 5 15:13:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05250 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:13:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web3401.mail.yahoo.com (web3401.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.55]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA14419 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 06:50:12 -0800 Message-ID: <20000205144942.13186.qmail@web3401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.48.233.180] by web3401.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 06:49:42 PST Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 06:49:42 -0800 (PST) From: Owen Parrish Subject: Re: [freestyle] Aerial Contest? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Even though i'm not going. A aerial contest would be sweet. I love fliers. Thats why Eric Wulff is my favorite shredder. Total Package From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 5 20:49:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA06060 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:49:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA05467 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:45:09 -0800 Received: (qmail 12857 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2000 04:45:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000206044509.12856.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.25] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 20:45:09 PST Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:45:09 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] three dexer To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, I finaly hit my first three dex move, pixie paradon..... Adam hit back to back ripwalks and a gyro mirage also.. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 9 13:46:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12031 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:46:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01927 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:56:04 -0800 Received: from puffer ([199.172.153.109]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with SMTP id <20000207174817.PTSL12915.ewey.excite.com@puffer>; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:48:17 -0800 Message-ID: <10327194.949945697005.JavaMail.imail@puffer> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:48:17 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Davidson To: KeN Somolinos , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Aerial Contest? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.107.90.78 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:57:44 EST, KeN Somolinos wrote: > Hi all, > Scott Proposed: > >Aerial Competition... where the players do the longest string of fliers and > >use the same formula as from the shred contest to determine the winner. > >The difference? Players could maybe get 3 attempts at a string of fliers, > >as opposed to a time limit. Rules need to be settled, > > While I still don't know if I'm going, would said contest have to be > guiltless? Not for fliers competition. The only one who could get an honorable guiltless flier string would be Eric (I heard 30 was his record... WOW!). I think a "No Tilt" rule would suffice, although there doesn't really need to be a rule like that... except to keep people from putting their multipliers through the roof by hitting "flying inside" or "flying toe" (one add fliers). It would sure be fun, and I personally believe that the new players aren't as well versed in flying moves... mostly because they don't see the top shredders doing them too often (except Eric). So to see the BAP doing fliers should be encouragement to the younger players to pursue this "lost" art. Oh, it would be a ton of fun too! See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 9 13:46:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12041 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:46:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (mta@goldenseal.3rd-coast.com [209.79.28.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17736 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:43:42 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (c1008757-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com [24.7.100.246]) by goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:03:47 -0800 Message-ID: <38A0F177.A335528F@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:47:51 -0600 From: "Derric Scalf" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] consecutive records Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wow. This list has been a little dead lately. So, in an effort to liven it up, here are a few records. If you see a change that needs to be made, let me know. Also, if you plan on setting a new record, please get it on video. I want to have video proof for all of the people that doubt the validity of these records. Here we go... 4 add moves: Barfly: 9 (Paul "Hu-mungis" Munger) Blender: 7 (Rippin' Rick Reese) Down Double Down: 5 (Sunil "Tsunami" Jani) Ducking Butterfly: 16 (Eric "The Ironman" Wulff) Dyno: 15 (Paul Mestas) Peeking Osis: 5 (Lon Smith) Paradox Drifter: 10 ("Intergalactic" Eli Piltz) Paradox Whirls: 28 ("The Enlightener" Scott Davidson) Ripstein: 2 (Jon Schneider) Ripwalk: 23 (Daryl "Genzu" Genz) Smog: 4 (Lon Smith) Spinning Butterfly: 19 (Eric "The Ironman" Wulff) Stepping Butterfly: 19 (Ken Somolinos) Spinning Osis: 6 (Lon Smith, Greg "GF Smoothie" Nelson) Symposium Eggbeater: 5 (Lynton Stephens) Symposium Toe Blur: 4 (Lynton Stephens) Symposium Whirl: 7 ("The Regulator" Ryan Mulroney) Torque (crispy style): 17 (Derric Scalf) Vortex: 2 (Red Fred You Shred Husted) Whirling Swirl: 4 (Jon Schneider) Witchdoctor: 5 (Lynton Stephens) Currently, I am keeping all of these records on http://www.dallasfootbag.org - just click on 'records'. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 9 13:46:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12051 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:46:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA02684 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:15:28 -0800 Received: (qmail 15100 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2000 17:46:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000207174621.15099.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.27] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 09:46:21 PST Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:46:21 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] sore shins? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, Im a lil' worried about my legs, and I was wondering...has anyone else ever experienced extremely sensitve shins as a result of too much hard core shredding? If anything touches my shins, I fall straight to the ground and cry like a lil bitch....why is this? Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 9 13:46:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12061 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:46:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10446 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:22:47 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPM00001RD9A5@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:22:21 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 14:22:20 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] anyone hit or tried these To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org So I was just daydreaming through my last class and thought of a few tricks and some people who may have hit them or who might be able to. Down double swirl A down double with one swirl at the end. clip> op out> op out> op back> same clip Daryl, Ryan? Ooooo how about blurrier swirl. Quadruple dex!!! Blurrage with an extra legover. It's a quadruple dex. Like a fog, but the second leg is doing two dexes. clip> op in> op in> same in> op out> same toe Sunil man, I've been watching your fog and you've got way too much time to stop at three dexes. I have faith you can push it. Tuan Ryan Hey, how about Atomic Double Leg-overs? Who's hitting them? I know you're out there. toe> op out> op in> op out> same toe Toe set fog (Quantum DLO) Toe blur with an extra legover toe> op in> op in> op out> same toe SUNIL??? Finally, has anyone else hit Gauntlet besides Dave? Blurry torque with a duck in the middle. clip> op in> duck> op in> op osis Sorry I can never remember how to word Osis in Job's Later all, Brad Oh yeah, get your butts to the Colorado Shred Symposium Feb. 19-21. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 9 13:47:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12073 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:47:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27454 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:37:26 -0800 Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12Ib3i-0003Hs-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:37:46 +0000 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (helo=[209.107.90.78]) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12Ib3p-0005XI-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:37:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:58:08 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: [freestyle] Footbag (Freestyle) on TV in Chicago and Denver! Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! Last years '99 Midwest Regionals were filmed by a local TV crew from the show "Up 'N Running" on the UPN network. It was a great segment and lots of fun! Thanks to all who helped during the filming! The makers of it tell me they are working on syndication deals where the "back" episodes would air in different places/networks throughout the US and the world.... we'll see if that happens. What we now know is: Airtimes: Chicago "Up 'N Running" February 13, 2000 7:30 A.M. CST UPN-TV Channel 50 (locally) Denver Area: "Up 'N Running" February 13 OR February 20th (they are not sure, but it will be one or the other). Check your local listing for Sunday airtime in Denver area. She was unsure of the airtime, but sure that it airs on Sunday sometime. UPN-TV Network See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 12:36:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13869 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:36:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f65.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA01294 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:32:57 -0800 Received: (qmail 19362 invoked by uid 0); 9 Feb 2000 22:32:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000209223248.19361.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:32:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:32:48 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Why? Because God did not create all men as equal as we might think. 'Sensitive' is a mild word for the pain I feel when my legs are touched. For some of us (you and I included), it is the name of the game. I personally can't hang with the daily shred bit, as I have some of the worst shin splints in the world. I usually cannot kick more than every other day, and usually that is really pushing it; my legs are total trash during the second session. So, as you can see, you are not alone. I know of a few exercises that you can do to strengthen them puppies up, but I if you are like me, they will still bother you. E-mail me personally, if you want to hear what I can help you with. Later, Ian D. >From: James Risden I was >wondering...has anyone else ever experienced extremely >sensitve shins as a result of too much hard core >shredding? >If anything touches my shins, I fall straight to the >ground and cry like a lil bitch....why is this? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 12:36:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13874 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:36:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f116.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.116]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA01860 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:58:07 -0800 Received: (qmail 32841 invoked by uid 0); 9 Feb 2000 22:57:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000209225758.32840.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.96.171.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:57:58 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.96.171.3] From: "Derric Scalf" To: cloudriz@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:57:58 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: James Risden > >Im a lil' worried about my legs, and I was >wondering...has anyone else ever experienced extremely >sensitve shins as a result of too much hard core >shredding? Shin splints are usually caused by poor arch supports. Lavers have no real support, so I rip out the insole and put a Dr. Scholl's arch support in there. If you are up north, I think the insole of choice is Spenco's - they aren't available in Texas, though. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 12:36:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13884 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:36:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f5.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA04842 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:11:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 69380 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 2000 01:11:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210011128.69379.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.137 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:11:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.137] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: cloudriz@yahoo.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:11:28 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org yes, when i first started "hardcore" shredding ('hardcore' for me is an hour a day :), my shins were really bad. they wouldn't plain hurt, but if i lightly bumped my shins on anything i would get tears in my eyes. they're still hurting but not much.. few things you have to make sure of: - get good INSOLES! (i use plain spenco's with an extra very thin layer of some cheap 99c ones) - STRETCH! you MUST stretch before you kick. make sure you stretch the calf! sit on the floor, straighten your legs out together in front of you, point your TOES as much as you can, and lean forward. also, the stretch against the wall: move one foot forward and stretch the calf on the other leg. - try to land softly and on your toes, not your heels. - don't over-exercise. you can usually feel your 'shins'/calf tense-up, at that point stop, walk it off a bit. - if you don't take care of shin-splits they become chronic .. for life that is. just take your game easy, take care of your legs. that includes shins, knees and everything else. better to rest for a week or two than to never be able to kick again. good luck. Stan. >From: James Risden >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] sore shins? >Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:46:21 -0800 (PST) > >Hey everyone, > >Im a lil' worried about my legs, and I was >wondering...has anyone else ever experienced extremely >sensitve shins as a result of too much hard core >shredding? >If anything touches my shins, I fall straight to the >ground and cry like a lil bitch....why is this? > >Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 12:36:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13889 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:36:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f239.hotmail.com [209.185.130.204]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06451 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:30:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 37511 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 2000 02:30:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210023014.37510.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.82.144.105 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:30:13 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.82.144.105] From: "Josh Wilson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Flexibility Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 02:30:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, Ok Hey everyone out there..well anyway...i see the people in the videos doing things with thier ankles that i cant seem to do..I think its just because of my flexibility. Well does anyone out there have any tips on getting there ankles more flexible for clipper stalls or anything. Thax, Josh Wilson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 12:36:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13894 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:36:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07330 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:11:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 9888 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2000 01:50:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210015042.9887.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.92] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:50:42 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:50:42 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] shredfobia To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, thanx to this website (www.hughston.com/hha/a.shin.htm) I am terrified of shred... Im thinking of taking a week or so off of shred and just practice all the basic crap like atw's and pixie sets..stuff that wont kill my shin...and i also recomend that anyone with shin pain should do the same damn, this sux...I havent missed a day of shred since me and Adam started about 9 months ago and i wanted to practice hitting pixie paradons.. and i can almost hit blurriest both sides..but now i gotta wait for a week :( well anywho Ill see you guys later... no i wont hehe Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 12:36:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13879 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:36:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00912 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:15:45 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.a.e10d9a (4562) for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:15:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:15:32 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 2/9/00 5:48:12 PM, cloudriz@yahoo.com writes: << If anything touches my shins, I fall straight to the ground and cry like a lil bitch >> Maybe because you're a lil bitch ? ;) just kidding, jame"z". maybe it's shin splits? I've got the same thing, but only on my left leg (my support leg... talk about a serious side preference problem). Ice it and then take a hot bath and then stretch it... inside hurdler stretches are supposed to help, or so says my gym teacher. They want me to set up an interscholastic footbag competition... woohoo ;) some recognition of my fave sport. Matthew "Clever Nickname" Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 13:30:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14022 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:30:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18467 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:17:44 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPQ00B01GIA02@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:18:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:18:10 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Flexibility In-reply-to: <20000210023014.37510.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Josh Wilson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Josh Wilson wrote: > Ok Hey everyone out there..well anyway...i see the people in the videos > doing things with thier ankles that i cant seem to do.. First let me say that I hope you're not looking at Brian McKenzie when you make that statement because no one else can do THAT with their ankles. Unless of course you have them surgically removed and replaced sideways. >I think its just > because of my flexibility. Well does anyone out there have any tips on > getting there ankles more flexible for clipper stalls or anything. First stretch them out before and after you kick. Also, DO WALKOVERS. It's a fun way to practice because it stretches your ankles while you are doing a trick. Do them on both sides. Then the key to clipper stalls will be in your leg strength in that unused muscle that your body never meant to use that way. Good Luck, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 21:42:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14630 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:42:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f270.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.148.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20205 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:38:58 -0800 Received: (qmail 55487 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 2000 22:38:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210223847.55486.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.190.1 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:38:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.190.1] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:38:47 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org << Im a lil' worried about my legs, and I was wondering...has anyone else ever experienced extremely sensitve shins as a result of too much hard core shredding? >> I have been one of the many victims of shin splints. My 2 recommendations are: 1. Kick with more variety. If you do the same moves over and over, you're going to get repetitive stress. Do more moves on both sides. And/or, try different types of moves that are less stressful, i.e., spins, fliers, unusuals, etc. You might not like that idea at first, but your game will be better for it. 2. Examine your technique. Do you pound a lot when you kick? I certainly did and do. Try watching some vid and steal a bit of technique from players who are lighter on their toes, e.g., Regulator, Irish, etc. This will not be easy to do, but it's worth a try. My 2 Cents. DanK From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 21:42:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14635 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:42:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Forest Schrodt Received: from ego.mind.net (IDENT:mail@ego.mind.net [206.99.66.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19551 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:08:31 -0800 Received: from 206.151.159.203 (ip270.mind.net [206.151.159.203]) by ego.mind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02567 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:08:53 -0800 Message-ID: <38A2C671.6506@mind.net> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 14:08:55 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? References: <20000207174621.15099.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi James and others, I used to run track in high school and college. My first year of running I would get horrible shin splints, so bad that I would not be able to walk. The next year I had a new track coach who basically showed me how to prevent shin splints. What I was told is hapening when you get shin splints is that you are forming minie fractures in your shin bone from repeated impact. By strengthening the muscles around the shin bown you offer the shin bone more suport. 1) Shin muscle strengthening Before practicing, walk on your heels keeping your toes off of the ground. Walk around until the muscle on your shin is burning good.(if your shin splints are too bad, it may be too painful to do this right now) 2) Calve strengthening Do toe raises until your calves burn. 3) If you have a friend who can help you. Sit on your butt with your legs together and toes pointed. Have your friend put resistance on your feet while you lift your feet (lift from the ankles) up and down. Your friend should put resistance on your feet as you lift them up and as you push them down. Your friend should not put so much resistance that you can't move your feet fluidly up and down. Be sure to use your full range of motion while lifting your feet up and down. Do this till your shin and calve muscles burn. 4) Stretch your calves and shins. 5) Try not to freestyle on concrete. If you can kick on wood or carpet, do. 6) Ice 'o' sweet, sweet ice. 7) Take some calcium. Your shin bone will build up stronger if given the chance. 8) Taking an antinflamitory pain reliever can help with the pain, swelling and inflamation. If your shins are too painful to do these exercises then you need to take a break and just do #4,6,7,8. I have had excelent results by doing these 8 things. Shin splints are no fun; I hope that this was some help. Forest From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 21:45:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14659 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:45:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (mta@goldenseal.3rd-coast.com [209.79.28.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26441 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 20:54:58 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (c1008757-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com [24.7.100.246]) by goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:15:20 -0800 Message-ID: <38A39720.7447D90D@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:59:12 -0600 From: "Derric Scalf" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] new records Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone and thanks for the updates on all of those records. Here are some of the changes: 3 ADD moves: Cross-body Rake: 29 (James Roberts) Osis: 195 ("Wicked" Eric Windsor) Smear: 43 ("The Regulator" Ryan Mulroney) 4 add moves: Barfly: 9 (Paul "Hu-mungis" Munger, "The Enlightener" Scott Davidson) Ripwalk: 38 ("The Regulator" Ryan Mulroney) Stepping Butterfly: 38 ("The Regulator" Ryan Mulroney) 5 add moves: Blurry Whirl: 5 ("The Regulator" Ryan Mulroney, "The Enlightener" Scott Davidson) Paradox Symposium Whirl: 5 ("The Regulator" Ryan Mulroney) Whirlwind: 2 ("The Regulator" Ryan Mulroney) Again, the full list is on http://www.dallasfootbag.org under records. Go there and see if there are any that you can do - how about stepping osis, magellan, etc? Surely there are some worthy records on these... Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 10 21:45:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14664 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:45:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f55.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.55]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA20581 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:01:13 -0800 Received: (qmail 98635 invoked by uid 0); 10 Feb 2000 23:01:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000210230110.98634.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:01:10 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:01:10 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Derric Scalf" >Shin splints are usually caused by poor arch >supports. Lavers have no real >support, so I rip out the insole and put a Dr. Scholl's arch support in >there. Wrong answer. I took your advice about this a while back, and I use the same ones you do. Yes, they help a bit, but I still have lots of problems. It isn't the solution, just a 'step' in the right direction. Later Ian D From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Feb 11 01:06:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14815 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 01:06:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28375 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:58:54 -0800 Received: from czpwa - 204.32.148.139 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:58:53 -0800 Message-ID: <001501bf746e$517e00a0$8b9420cc@czpwa> From: "Rick Reese" To: "shred" Subject: [freestyle] freestyle consecutive records Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:59:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id BAB14815 Hey Dallas and the surrounding area. The barfly record is held by Scott Davidson, it's somewhere around 15, help me out Scott! I've hit 8 blenders, Kosmo has hit 156 osis, Paul Munger has hit 3 paradox blenders, Scott has hit ...I believe... 28 paradox whirls, Daryl Genz (Genzu) has hit an unbelievable 8 Paradox Legbeaters, 28 Ripwalks, 3 Paradox Torques,20 Double Around the Worlds,10 Toe barrages, need i go on. OK, I will... i've also hit 7 Down doubles, 2 Ripsteins also, Kenny hit 5 Whirling Swirls.....POW. I also heard The Torch hit 8 Atom smashers... WOW. I'll think of some more after awhile,take it easy....Rippin. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 12 12:39:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17325 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:39:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from loom.online.ee (loom.online.ee [194.106.96.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA03935 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 07:30:34 -0800 Received: (qmail 14032 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2000 17:31:02 +0200 Received: from hi1-179.dyn.online.ee (HELO kasutaja) (194.106.108.179) by loom.online.ee with SMTP; 12 Feb 2000 17:31:02 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01bf756d$787e6e60$b36c6ac2@kasutaja> From: "Uve Poom" To: Subject: [freestyle] stomping and shooting Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:03:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone I've got two simple questions, which answers I am not sure about Does stomping give an extra add to the trick? I'd say it is not worth an add with low-add tricks, but what about higher ones? And does a shooting set give a trick three adds? Since it has one more dex than Pogo, it should (or have I misunderstood the description?) I am not capable of doing Pogo or Shooting, but I need to now it for some reasons. Thanks Uve 'arrow' Poom Estonia From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 12 12:39:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17330 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:39:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f149.hotmail.com [209.185.131.212]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03749 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:56:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 91695 invoked by uid 0); 11 Feb 2000 23:56:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000211235649.91694.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.61.245.156 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:56:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.61.245.156] From: "Joel Kubitscheck" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] reached the limit Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:56:49 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've been experiencing a bit of advancement withdrawal lately. I've been hacking on and off all my life, but lately more seriously. I've got a good handle on all of the basic 1,2, and most of the 3 add moves, but being 6'6, 240, it's hard to find the speed to do everything. If anyone has suggestions on underground or self patented moves which require great coordination but mediocre speed, they would be much appreciated. thanx Joel From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 12 12:39:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17335 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:39:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA31692 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:01:21 -0800 Received: (qmail 1326 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2000 20:07:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000211200745.1325.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.4] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:07:45 PST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:07:45 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] yeah!! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org As all you know...Ive decided to lay off the stepping moves for a week or so because of my shin pain... This is much better than I thought...now i can practice the atomic moves!!!! I finally hit a couple of what I think is atom smashers. toe>op out>op in> op toe= atom smasher? whatever that is, its a helluvalot harder than the legbeater...I can hit legbeater both sides but i can only hit "atom smashers" landing on my left toe does paradox atom smasher have its own name? I think i could hit one of those... later Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 12 12:40:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17342 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:40:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08289 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:26:06 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPU00I013GIDM@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:26:42 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:26:42 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? In-reply-to: <38A2C671.6506@mind.net> To: Forest Schrodt Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Forest Schrodt wrote: > 1) Shin muscle strengthening Before practicing, walk on your heels > keeping your toes off of the ground. Walk around until the muscle on > your shin is burning good.(if your shin splints are too bad, it may be > too painful to do this right now) Here's another really good excercise that you can do even when you don't have the time or if you're lazy about it. Anytime you are sitting down, have you your feet flat on the ground and repeatedly lift the front part of your feet up so that your heel is still touching the ground. I'm currently suffering from splints myself and this helps alot. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 12 12:39:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17320 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:39:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 2228 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2000 04:47:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000212044741.2227.qmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [158.252.241.203] by web1002.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:47:41 PST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:47:41 -0800 (PST) From: Ahren Gehrman Subject: [freestyle] freestyle consecutive records To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey yo, Just thought I would mention a record I broke yesterday. I hit 7 blurry whirls. Torch P.S. And a personal record, I hit 11 atom smashers, but I don't think that's the record. Didn't somebody hit like 14 or something? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 12 12:57:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17468 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:57:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08813 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 12:53:28 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPU00F014Q4G5@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:54:04 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:54:04 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] record ideas To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well crap! I was going to try and beat the ripwalk and smear records, and now they've practically doubled. I had what I think to be a cool idea. Of course I think most of my ideas are cool, so maybe it's not. Anyway, it's to have 2 trick combo records. Since this could go limitless with the amount of combos, it should be restricted to rewind combos 3 adds and higher. Some suggestions: paradon/ barrage legbeater/ blur eggbeater/ smear scrambled eggbeater/ fear double pixie/ double pickup toe blur/ omlette pixie butterfly/ double legover parkwalk/ schmoe (I think that's the name for stepping legover!?!) So what do you think (Derric)? Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 12 13:18:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17581 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:18:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f63.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA09073 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:10:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 8553 invoked by uid 0); 12 Feb 2000 21:10:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000212211050.8552.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:10:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: vesihydr@online.ee, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] stomping and shooting Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:10:50 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Howdy all, Uve Poom inquired: > >And does a shooting set give a trick three adds? >Since it has one more dex than Pogo, it should (or have I misunderstood the >description?) Shooting is very strange. Essentially, a shooting set is a pogo paradox reverse miraging set. Keep in mind that a pogo set is now only worth one add, because it is not significantly harder than a blurry set. A paradox reverse miraging set (aka nuclear set) usually gets two adds, one for the dex, and another for a paradox when it is present (pdx legbeater is given 5 adds, but a barfly with a plant is only 4). Shooting is a fusion of these two sets, but the adds sometimes get a little messed up. A clean shooting set is usually worth three adds. One add for the pogo dexterity, one add for the nuclear dexterity, and one add for the pdx in the nuclear set. You can lose adds if: 1. You "slur" the first dex in the shoot, which is pretty common. 2. The move executed after the shoot set technically nullifies the pdx inherent in the set. Dumb, but true. In order to get a really clean shooting set, really try and think of it as a pogo followed by an almost immediate atomic/nuclear style dexterity. This set will give you abs of steel, but it can also give you shin splints, so use it in moderation. I hope this helped clear things up a little. Happy Valentine's Day, Ken CF Somolinos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 14 20:46:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24176 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:46:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13550 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:19:59 -0800 Received: (qmail 17903 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2000 02:20:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000213022037.17902.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.225] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:20:37 PST Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:20:37 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Reply-To: Jamez@ColonaFootbag.org Subject: [freestyle] hahahahaha To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hit a smog and an atom smasher with no shoes on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! later jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 14 20:46:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24198 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:46:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (mta@goldenseal.3rd-coast.com [209.79.28.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08365 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:07:10 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (c1008757-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com [24.7.100.246]) by goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:27:54 -0800 Message-ID: <38A7019E.19878145@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 13:10:22 -0600 From: "Derric Scalf" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] record ideas References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Kaplan wrote: > have 2 trick combo > records. Since this could go limitless with the amount of combos, it > should be restricted to rewind combos 3 adds and higher. I like this idea, but we could also add some other combos. Personally, I like the combos that work both sides too... blur > paradon, stepping mirage > legbeater, pdx whirl > pdx drifter, etc. So, if anyone has a combo that they can easily hit, send it my way with your record. Once I get enough of these, I'll post them. And, as always, video verification would be great. Eventually, I want to have the list only contain the video verified runs, so if you are planning on going for a record, bust out the camera. Later. -D From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 14 20:46:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24199 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:46:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02093 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:54:19 -0800 Received: (qmail 10556 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2000 20:30:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000214203037.10555.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.87] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:30:37 PST Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:30:37 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Reply-To: Jamez@ColonaFootbag.org Subject: [freestyle] my phat combo To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org sorry but i just had to post about the sweet combo i just hit.... ripwalk>ripwalk>blur>pixie butterfly>osis>butterfly>blur> legbeater>osis>butterfly>spinning butterfly>osis>butterfly>drop later Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 14 20:45:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24171 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:45:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f215.hotmail.com [216.32.181.215]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA09790 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:59:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 90827 invoked by uid 0); 12 Feb 2000 21:59:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000212215950.90826.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.150.50.136 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:59:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.150.50.136] From: "Tom Labeff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] General. Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:59:50 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Freestyle World!!!!!!!!!!1 Sorry for having been quiet for so long. I've been brooding over whether or not footbag is going to have a future in my life. To answer that quickly, yes. Here's the scenario. This isn't a pity trip. I live in cold LaCrosse, WI here in the midwest, and I am not complaining because unless you live as a recluse, you can find somewhere to play. So anyway, about a year and a half ago I picked this sport up, inspired by a guy named Evan who played, that I met at a joint called Crossfire downtown. He was almost up to hitting a couple threes smoothly, but the gracefulness he and fluidity of hack was something beautiful to me, and I wanted to be able to do it, better than anyone. (high expectations,huh?) So I started with basics, amazed at the flying clipper, and started to bring my bag to Crossfire every Friday night. To this day, because of the first time I brought my bag, footbag has been one of the biggest attractions at Crossfire. Here's my dilema. Crossfire is always packed with people, and there is always people coming in and out of the circle, and most of them just kill my vibe. Now don't get me wrong, I was a newbie once, but these people just come in the circle for a conversation or out of boredom. Some are getting the basic kicks down, which is good, but none take it anything close to seriously. My buddy Evan has left to New Zealand, and the other pretty good guy, Izzo, is a youth leader, therefore his time is needed elsewhere. So it all comes down to......I got noone to kick with. I know that I would be much better if I just had one fellow enthusiast. It doesn't seem to be catching on well. (I could have something to do with it, but I honestly don't think so.) Noone understands the potential marvel of footbag. Fellow Footbaggers...you had better get used to the name Thomas LaBeff, because when I get mobile, there ain't gonna be a tournament you won't see me at. I will drill you with questions until my tongue falls off. And I am going to try and get better than you. Ryan Mulroney, you better hide when you see me at the tournaments, because I got a lot to ask you. Eric Wulff, I know you already have a bad impression of me, but I like you, and I see that you got style almost untouchable, but I want it. Ya see, I'm good at a lot of things; ya know, the Jack of all trades complex, but a master of none? I hate it, and I'm gonna keep practicing footbag till I'm not just another player. I love you all and want to thank you for the invaluable knowledge of footbag you've given me. Now if I just figure out how to use it all... Thanks Thomas LaBeff From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 14 20:46:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24201 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:46:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f127.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.127]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02741 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:18:08 -0800 Received: (qmail 20547 invoked by uid 0); 14 Feb 2000 22:18:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000214221818.20546.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:18:18 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? (Correction) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:18:18 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Forest Schrodt >What I was told is hapening when >you get shin splints is that you are forming minie fractures in your >shin bone from repeated impact. By strengthening the muscles around the >shin bown you offer the shin bone more suport. Your suggestions for shin workouts are great, but a shinsplints really have nothing to do with the bone. Your coach, as with most high school coaches, didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. It is actually when your shin muscles (tibial and extensor muscles) are inflamed and sometimes have microseparations over the bone beneath them. They are caused by two things: Over developed calves(relative to your shins) and lots of hard pounding on hard surfaces. And we wonder why stylers are such a shin-sensitive lot.... :) Soon, I will post a message I wrote to Jamez Risden that has a good deal of various exercises for shinsplints. Need to clarify a bit of the exercises for purposes of understanding. Later, Ian D. PS Different strokes for different folks... Arch supports work for Derric S., Spencos work for Scott D., and exercising the right muscles work for a lot of people. Though, I must say none of them work very well for me... My shins are freaks... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 14 20:46:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24194 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:46:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23441 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:59:31 -0800 Received: from puffer ([199.172.153.109]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with SMTP id <20000214160016.BPIX302.ewey.excite.com@puffer>; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:00:16 -0800 Message-ID: <30517996.950544016878.JavaMail.imail@puffer> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:00:16 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Davidson To: Ian Dubman , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.107.90.78 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:01:10 CST, Ian Dubman wrote: >Lavers have no real > >support, so I rip out the insole and put a Dr. Scholl's arch support in > >there. > > Wrong answer. I took your advice about this a while back, and I use the > same ones you do. Yes, they help a bit, but I still have lots of problems. > It isn't the solution, just a 'step' in the right direction. Maybe some of you missed my posts on this (about once a year). My solution was to use the generic SPENCO insoles (with no arch support), one size fits most, about $8 at stores. Hey, it worked for me... BIG TIME! See ya! Scott. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 14 20:46:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24195 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:46:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25996 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 00:51:48 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FPV00B011Z1I3@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:52:13 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:52:13 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Record (temporarily) To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hit 13 Magellans today, then I hit a wall (literally). I was going to keep trying to beat it but my shin splints wouldn't allow it. I'm not sure if it's the record and I didn't have my camera at work so you'll have to trust me. Hopefully I'll beat it next week at the Shred Symposium (which you should all be attending) so I'll a have a witness or two. Hey here's an idea to add to tournaments. It'd be a non-prize money event but good fun. Beating consecutive records. You pick a record you want to go for and get three tries to beat it. Bye for now, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 15 09:19:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24979 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:19:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f307.hotmail.com [216.32.180.161]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA24221 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 05:06:44 -0800 Received: (qmail 88692 invoked by uid 0); 15 Feb 2000 13:07:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000215130707.88691.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.95.19.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 05:07:06 PST X-Originating-IP: [134.95.19.22] From: "Adriana Giuliani" To: mufreestyle@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? (Correction) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 05:07:06 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Here comes a medical suggestion. Old and chronic injuries should never be treated cold or with ice but roomtemperature. There is a homeopathic remedy out cold Traumeel S. This cream is from Germany but is also procurable in Health stores around the US. The Brand is called Heel. I've been working with this remedy for years and it works wonders. I've started practicing on a thick carpet. Whenever possible I avoid concret and uneven grass. Good luck. Adriana From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 10:46:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26245 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:46:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2006.mail.yahoo.com (web2006.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.206]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02743 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:15:34 -0800 Received: (qmail 8590 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2000 20:16:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000215201628.8589.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.159.133] by web2006.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:16:28 PST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:16:28 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Shredding in Boulder- The Main Event To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up, everyone? The weekend is right around the corner; I just want to pass on a little helpful info: There's no telling what the weather will be like; with global warming at hand it's pretty much summer everyday here with an occasinal snow storm moving through then melting within a day or two. Right now it's dumping in the high country, so it might move in or it might stay up there- no telling. So expect beautiful, 70 degree, and sunny days, but bring a warm coat and fleece pants just in case. If you are driving, you might want to print the info off the Shred Symposium details at http://www.footbag.org/events We will have a player's party on Sunday at 8pm (ish) at the Mellow Mushroom on Pearl St. (I think it's at 17th or 18th). I think that's about it, Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 10:48:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26258 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:48:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03422 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:37:09 -0800 Received: from sympatico.ca (ppp653.qc.bellglobal.com [206.172.240.77]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28351; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:43:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38A9B98F.59C12260@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:39:43 -0500 From: Pierre-Pascal Gauthier X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adriana Giuliani , "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: Re: [freestyle] sore shins? (Correction) References: <20000215130707.88691.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id MAA25124 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It's great to have people around giving tips on how to relieve pain or on how to heal an injury, but beware of "medical" suggestions that in fact are not medical at all! I study in biochemistry, and I can tell, homeopathy is working as a placebo, but never as a drug. This cream might relieve pain as well as thousands of other creams, but it is not a medication or a drug. Perhaps the cream is working, but I believe that playing on carpet and avoiding hard surfaces is the real remedy... Take care everyone! Adriana Giuliani a Ècrit : > Here comes a medical suggestion. > Old and chronic injuries should never be treated cold or with ice but > roomtemperature. There is a homeopathic remedy out cold Traumeel S. This > cream is from Germany but is also procurable in Health stores around the US. > The Brand is called Heel. I've been working with this remedy for years and > it works wonders. I've started practicing on a thick carpet. Whenever > possible I avoid concret and uneven grass. > Good luck. > Adriana From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 10:48:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26268 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:48:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA11803 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:55:43 -0800 Received: (qmail 14644 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2000 00:56:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000216005636.14643.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.45.225.2] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:56:36 PST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:56:36 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Windsor Subject: Re: [freestyle] record ideas To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: Brad Kaplan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Said: > Anyway, it's to > have 2 trick combo > records. Since this could go limitless with the > amount of combos, it > should be restricted to rewind combos 3 adds and > higher. > Some suggestions: > paradon/ barrage > legbeater/ blur > eggbeater/ smear etc. Hi Brad and Everybody else. I think this is a great Idea. I would love to go for the paradon barrage record. I noticed all of the examples you used are combos are one side. What about other combos such as: blur/paradon blender/down double atom smasher/eggbeater spinning butterfly/pdx. whirl paradox drifter/blender ripwalk/whirling swirl What about taking it a step farther than that and also notating records for 3 trick combos such as: atomsmasher/legbeater/blur "rubberman combo"? What about 4 trick combos like ripwalk/ripwalk/blur/paradon? I believe if you start posting combo records you will get more people participating since alot of people are good at certain combos not just individual moves. Eric Windsor O /|\ o \\ _// ` P.S. Can't wait to see everyone in boulder. I'd especially like to see all you guys at Boulder who post their latest tricks and combos to the list all the time. Some of you new guys have some awesome trick records. You can talk about hitting this and that all day long, but I want to see it. You know who you are!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 10:48:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26263 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:48:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA05558 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:45:45 -0800 Received: (qmail 22342 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2000 21:22:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000215212220.22341.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.63] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:22:20 PST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:22:20 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Reply-To: Jamez@ColonaFootbag.org Subject: [freestyle] thanx everyone To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, I would just like to thank everyone for their advice on treating my horrible leg disease... Since Ian's e-mail, my shins have gotten waaaay better... What I did was I had my 5-year-old lil sister stand on my feet and I kept raising my toes for about 20 min... worked great!!!! I would of had my shred bro stand on my feet but that would be crazy since hes 8 foot 11 and about 200 lbs. just kidding adam.. thanx Jamez P.S. I hit a blurry whirl From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 22:01:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26905 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:01:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f161.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.161]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17668 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:15:57 -0800 Received: (qmail 75935 invoked by uid 0); 17 Feb 2000 01:16:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000217011628.75934.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.53 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:16:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.53] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] movename? Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:16:28 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, while trying to hit clipper-set barrage, i thought of a move. i looked it up on the movelist, but couldn't find it. it's like fury only you don't plant for the pdx mirage clip > op in > same in > (no plant while> op in > op toe is this a 5 or a 6 add move? is there a name for this one? (symposium fury?) just thoughts Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 22:01:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26915 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:01:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA20118 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:59:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 26248 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2000 03:00:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000217030032.26247.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.120] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:00:32 PST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:00:32 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] record ideas To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wicked Windsor: >. Some of you new guys have some awesome >trick records. You can talk about hitting this and >that all day long, but I want to see it. You know who >you are!! That would have to be me! There is no possible way I could get to Colorado this weekend, I got tons of time on my hands but no way there...Why cant there be any tourneys in the midwest??? I would so love to go to a tournament and show off all the stuff that I CAN do, And watch some stuff as well.. later, Jamez P.S. triplessly sealing paradons!! :) haha From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 22:01:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26900 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:01:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24168 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:50:04 -0800 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA34920 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:51:04 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:51:04 -0800 (PST) From: Sunil Jani To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] SICK FAQ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Lovely Freestylers: I just wanted to notify everyone that Ahren "SCORCH" Gehrman hit 19 atom smashers in a row during today's session. It was so scary how easily he did it. (He wasn't even breathing hard afterwards)... sheesh. Tsunami From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 22:01:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26910 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:01:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18793 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:54:55 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.36.23bbb8c (4199) for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:55:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36.23bbb8c.25dcaf0b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:55:23 EST Subject: [freestyle] 2 dexerity To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone! Hows it goin? I wish I could be at any competitions that everyone is talking about. But, when you don't have a driver license and you live basically no where near any of these(hint: Sweet Home Alabama), it makes it kinda' hard to go to those things. . . Anyway, I am having problems with 2 dexerity moves. I try to double atw but I'm just not fast enough. I can do atw with ease now, but not 2...So I was wondering if anyone could give me some help on these. I feel this is the only way I can get into higher add moves. -Evan "Skykicker" Edmondson P.S. I am proud to say I'm starting to link my moves together pretty good. Some of my simple combos that I'm trying to do(and gotten really close to doing many times) are atw>Butterfly>Mirage>drop> Some others are atw>buttefly>osis>reverse mirage(illusion)>drop From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 23:29:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27025 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:29:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29083 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:21:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 18766 invoked by alias); 17 Feb 2000 07:22:49 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 18752 invoked by uid 0); 17 Feb 2000 07:22:48 -0000 Received: from kkdialup220.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.120.220) by dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2000 07:22:48 -0000 Message-ID: <38ABA1E0.7CD31782@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:23:13 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] What is this? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just hit a couple of these... CLIP > SAME OUT > OP TOE What is this called? M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 16 23:29:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27035 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:29:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29105 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:23:14 -0800 Received: (qmail 20674 invoked by alias); 17 Feb 2000 07:24:17 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 20634 invoked by uid 0); 17 Feb 2000 07:24:15 -0000 Received: from kkdialup220.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.120.220) by dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2000 07:24:15 -0000 Message-ID: <38ABA238.AF1B83B@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:24:40 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Butterfly kick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Why is a butterfly kick worth three adds? It seems way too easy to be worth three to me. I think the two add dragonfly kick is actually more difficult. M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 17 01:04:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27113 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:04:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09244 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:58:06 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQ200N01GYHF1@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:59:05 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:59:05 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] record ideas In-reply-to: <20000216005636.14643.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> To: ERiC WiNDSoR Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, ERiC WiNDSoR wrote: > examples you used are combos are one side. What about > other combos such as: > blur/paradon > blender/down double > atom smasher/eggbeater > spinning butterfly/pdx. whirl > paradox drifter/blender > ripwalk/whirling swirl These are great ideas. I Think Derric had suggested the same thing. > What about taking it a step farther than that and also > notating records for 3 trick combos such as: > atomsmasher/legbeater/blur "rubberman combo"? > > What about 4 trick combos like > ripwalk/ripwalk/blur/paradon? Now all that's up to Derric since he keeps track of it all. What do you say Derric? Want the extra work? > especially like to see all you guys at Boulder who > post their latest tricks and combos to the list all > the time. Some of you new guys have some awesome > trick records. You can talk about hitting this and > that all day long, but I want to see it. You know who > you are!! Yaaa! Something smells fishy here!!! Get to Boulder, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 17 01:09:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27134 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:09:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11817 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:04:15 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQ200H01H8T0W@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:05:18 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:05:17 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] 2 dexerity In-reply-to: <36.23bbb8c.25dcaf0b@aol.com> To: Evan Edmondson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Evan Edmondson wrote: > Anyway, I am having problems with 2 dexerity moves. I try to double atw > but I'm just not fast enough. I can do atw with ease now, but not 2...So I > was wondering if anyone could give me some help on these. I feel this is the > only way I can get into higher add moves. This trick took me about one week of solid work. One of the most important things I noticed back then was that I was trying to hard. Believe me your legs are fast enough. You have plenty of time. Practice the move without the bag (that goes for all moves). Work on the motions then try again. That's not all the advice to the move, but it should help. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 17 01:14:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27157 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:14:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14828 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:10:59 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQ200N01HK08Y@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:12:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:12:00 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] What is this? In-reply-to: <38ABA1E0.7CD31782@uswest.net> To: Matt Wafaie Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > CLIP > SAME OUT > OP TOE > What is this called? Paradox Reverse Mirage, or Paradox Illusion. Illusion being the relatively new suggestion for "reverse mirage" Which I think is a great idea that all should embrace. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 17 01:32:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27200 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:32:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16576 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:14:57 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQ200K01HQNRD@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:15:59 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:15:59 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Butterfly kick In-reply-to: <38ABA238.AF1B83B@uswest.net> To: Matt Wafaie Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Matt Wafaie wrote: > Why is a butterfly kick worth three adds? It seems way too > easy to be worth three to me. I think the two add dragonfly > kick is actually more difficult. Because it involves and extra body movement (you know the jumping up in the air thing) and that's worth an extra add which takes the place of the delay add in a normal butterfly. As far as Butterflier vs. Dragonfly, it is a matter of style I believe. I hit Dragonfly (and Pixie Dragonfly for that matter) a whole lot better than Butterflier. Later all, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 17 08:45:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27635 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:45:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (mta@goldenseal.3rd-coast.com [209.79.28.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30301 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:39:47 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (c1008757-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com [24.7.100.246]) by goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:01:02 -0800 Message-ID: <38AC2502.93DCD024@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:42:42 -0600 From: "Derric Scalf" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] record ideas References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org About all of these combo records. I don't care if the combo is two, three or four moves. However, I think that the minimum record shoud be 3. In other words, if you are doing a four move combo, you should at least hit the entire combo three times (for a total of 12 contacts). So, send combo records to me and I'll post them when I get a chance. Also, if you have these on video, let me know. I want video proof of as many of these records as possible. Hey... that brings me to another question. Does anyone know this Jubal guy that has hit 5 pdx torques? Anyway, send combos and records to me. I'll post them when I get enough. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 17 09:38:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27689 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:38:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32054 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:32:53 -0800 Received: from rac6.wam.umd.edu (root@rac6.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.146]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04611 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: Vince Bradley Received: from rac6.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac6.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02459 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac6.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02455 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:33:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:33:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002171733.MAA02455@rac6.wam.umd.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] 1999 Worlds Freestyle Detailed Results Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey everybody. The complete results from last years World Championship Freestyle Competition are now on-line. There is a link at the bottom of the results page, URL: http://www.footbag.org/calendar/show/915561090 enjoy. l8r- Vince Bradley From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 17 15:05:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28132 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:05:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08241 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:06:05 -0800 Received: from puffer ([199.172.153.109]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with ESMTP id <20000217220641.ETPI7821.kuku.excite.com@puffer>; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:06:41 -0800 Message-ID: <32323550.950825201313.JavaMail.imail@puffer> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:06:41 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Davidson To: Vince Bradley , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] 1999 Worlds Freestyle Detailed Results Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.107.90.78 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:33:38 -0500 (EST), Vince Bradley wrote: > The complete results from last years World Championship Freestyle Competition > are now on-line. There is a link at the bottom of the results page, > URL: http://www.footbag.org/calendar/show/915561090 Awesome! Whoever did this needs a big pat on the back. THANKS! I only wish I had it sooner, but just to have them is one big thing to cross off my wish list. Yipee, I now have something to read on the plane to Denver (along with Steves Tutorial to Jobs notation) :-) See ya! Soon. Scott D. Enlightener From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Feb 18 14:05:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29391 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:05:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2005.mail.yahoo.com (web2005.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.205]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA05215 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:33:31 -0800 Received: (qmail 11888 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Feb 2000 21:34:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000218213438.11887.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.245.15.239] by web2005.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:34:38 PST Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:34:38 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Boulder meets the PRESS To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up, Shredders accross the world? So this weekend is the tournament, and the local media is being really cool and open to the tournament. The Colorado Daily published a great article about footbag and the symposium, with a cool picture if I do say so myself. If you want to check it out, click on: http://www.codaily.com/Headlines/headline6.htm Later, Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Feb 18 14:48:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29424 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:48:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06871 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:25:41 -0800 Received: from piff (d143.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.143]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with SMTP id RAA00033; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:26:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <020601bf7a5f$20cab2e0$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Reply-To: "acarter1" From: "Tony Carter-Piff" To: "Eli Piltz" , References: <20000218213438.11887.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Boulder meets the PRESS Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:25:54 -0500 Organization: swarthmore college MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > tournament. The Colorado Daily published a great > article about footbag and the symposium, with a Wow, I really enjoyed that...What was Dave Holton's seven-add move? Paradox Torque's only 5 (right?) and the described move wasn't really a paradox torque....? tony carter-piff From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Feb 18 15:32:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29470 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:32:43 -0800 Received: from stone.ec.rockwell.com (firewall-user@stone.ec.rockwell.com [199.191.58.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA22922 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:32:23 -0800 Received: by stone.ec.rockwell.com; id KAA01595; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:28:18 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: stone.ec.rockwell.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/mqueue/check Received: from borg.switch.rockwell.com(131.198.119.64) by stone.ec.rockwell.com via smap (V5.5) id xma001313; Fri, 18 Feb 00 10:27:36 -0600 Received: from pcklokow (pcklokow [131.198.116.31]) by borg.switch.rockwell.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA25291 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:30:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003401bf7a2d$5b6cb0b0$1f74c683@pcklokow.ec.rockwell.com> From: "Dan Klokow" To: "Freestyle" Subject: [freestyle] blurry moves?? Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:29:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id PAB29470 Hey guys, Quick question(s). I was wondering about a couple moves that i did not see listed on footbag.org. Do these moves have names?? Blurry atomsmasher Blurry legbeater I'm not even sure they are called Blurry so please don't yell at me.. It's like a Blizzard with and extra dex at the end. Either a mirage or a butterfly. Now i'm not really all that close to hitting these moves yet, but if anyone knows the names of these moves please let me know!! And also who out there is hitting them?? Thanks for your time.. Dan Klokow From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Feb 18 15:33:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29480 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:33:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f142.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.142]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08964 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:22:37 -0800 Received: (qmail 80394 invoked by uid 0); 18 Feb 2000 23:23:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000218232317.80393.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:23:17 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: acarter1@swarthmore.edu, Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Boulder meets the PRESS Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:23:17 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Heya Tony, What was Dave Holton's seven-add move? Paradox >Torque's only 5 (right?) and the described move wasn't really a paradox >torque....? Dave has hit two 7 add moves actually.... The first is called Gauntlet, and is a stepping ducking pdx torque- essentially a blurry torque with a duck between the dexes. His other 7 is a stepping symposium tomahawk. That is, a stepping ducking ps whirl. Tuan has also hit a 7 adder, shooting torque. Pete Irish hits symposium blurry whirling swirl, which is also 7. Have fun in boulder everybody, CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 19 00:07:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30079 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:07:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (mta@goldenseal.3rd-coast.com [209.79.28.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11203 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:58:32 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (c1008757-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com [24.7.100.246]) by goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with ESMTP id com; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:20:00 -0800 Message-ID: <38ADEB76.F922F3CE@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:01:42 -0600 From: "Derric Scalf" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Klokow CC: Freestyle Subject: Re: [freestyle] blurry moves?? References: <003401bf7a2d$5b6cb0b0$1f74c683@pcklokow.ec.rockwell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dan Klokow wrote: > > I was wondering about a couple moves that i did not see listed on > footbag.org. Do these moves have names?? > Blurry atomsmasher > Blurry legbeater Well... it is a kind of stylistic thing. If you do the first two dexes quickly, it is called a "shooting" set. So, a blurry legbeater would be a lot like a shooting butterfly. And, a blurry atom smasher would be a lot like a shooting mirage. I've seen lots of people hit shooting stuff, but I've never seen what I would call a "blurry legbeater". That would imply that the legbeater is done while the bag is on the way down... hmmm... possible, but much harder than the shooting way. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 19 00:07:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30084 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:07:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13168 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:25:09 -0800 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04529 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:26:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:26:20 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] swirl ideas Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was practicing whirling swirl and trying to hit ripstein tonight when I thought of a bizzare 5-add move utilizing a swirling-spinning set. The first couple times I tried it, I almost hit it. Jobs would be: clip > same back swirl > back spin > spin > op clip -basically a swirling spinning osis It will take a lot of practice to get good at this set, but now I'm determined to perfect it. You insane shredders out there should try putting it in front of several moves like osis, butterfly, mirage and see if you like the name "twisted" for the set. I think that pretty much describes how it feels. -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 19 00:07:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30089 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:07:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.bc.home.com (ha2.rdc2.bc.wave.home.com [24.2.10.69]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14037 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:07:36 -0800 Received: from home.com ([24.65.187.121]) by mail.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000219030842.YLQX20967.mail.rdc2.bc.home.com@home.com>; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:08:42 -0800 Message-ID: <38AE08D5.3D7843A4@home.com> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:07:01 -0800 From: Allan Haggett Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: derric@dallasfootbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] records, prdx torque, Jubal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derric, I don't have video proof of what I saw. I haven't seen him hit it that many times since, though I haven't seen him try for it either. It may have been just one of those dayz when he was really on or something.... I saw what I saw though, and you ever have the chance to see him play, you won't doubt that he did it. Whether or not he could do it again on video, next time we're taping a session I'll ask him to try for it. If you like, take it off the records list until we come up with a video. Allan Victoria From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 19 00:08:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30109 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:08:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f295.hotmail.com [216.32.180.149]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17159 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:23:07 -0800 Received: (qmail 5407 invoked by uid 0); 19 Feb 2000 05:23:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000219052346.5406.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.210.32.242 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:23:46 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.210.32.242] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Dragons on footbag.org Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:23:46 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Does anyone else think there should be a list of moves ending in dragon stalls on footbag.org? I spoke to Jon Schneider a while ago and named me all these crazy dragon moves that he does. I think the dragon needs some recognition, especially since not many players (that I've shredded with, anyway) seem to incorporate it into their shreds. Just something to think about. Shred it up stylers, Mickey "The Mouse" Mayer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 19 20:04:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31168 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:04:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f53.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.53]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22117 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:03:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 18627 invoked by uid 0); 20 Feb 2000 02:04:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000220020410.18626.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.106 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:04:10 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.106] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] yay! eggbeater Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:04:10 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org alright! i just hit my first eggbeater! *not* atomic style =) also, i saw the new lavers with a mesh top like the old ones. a little lighter i thought. anyone try these? Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 19 20:05:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31173 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:05:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20896 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 17:12:01 -0800 Received: from mstrong from [207.136.60.1] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.430) with smtp for sender: id ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 19:13:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00be01bf7b3e$5d2a3820$4947fea9@mstrong> From: "Matt Strong" To: References: <20000218213438.11887.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Boulder meets the PRESS Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 19:03:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I know I don't post to this list much, but that was a really cool article. Congratulations to the Boulder Blades for getting some good press for footbag. -Matt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Feb 19 22:17:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31253 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 22:17:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26986 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:28:04 -0800 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.49.13f704f (4459) for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:28:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49.13f704f.25e0d591@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:28:49 EST Subject: [freestyle] coming back To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey guys, its been a while since i've posted. this is because I broke my ankle about 6 weeks ago and had surgery about 5 weeks ago. I was pissed sinced I missed the colorado shred symposium which I was really looking forward to but anyways...its been 6 weeks and i'm happy to say that today was my first day back at freestyle..sorta. I still use crutches but I can walk slow w/o em and can stand with no pain now. I was able to do some toe stalls and some around the worlds with my right foot (the broken one). I still cant do aynthing with the broken one on the ground but I could do that. I have to say it feels good, even though its not much. But its progress that I didn't expect to come so soon. I still hafta go into physical therapy but I just wanted to let you guys know that I'll be back soon and shredding harder than ever. It feels great. Shred on! Windsen "the guy with 2 metal screws in his ankle" Pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 21 11:53:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00721 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:53:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30365 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:32:22 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQA00D01DVYI7@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:33:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:33:34 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] yay! eggbeater In-reply-to: <20000220020410.18626.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Stan Sagalovskiy Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 19 Feb 2000, Stan Sagalovskiy wrote: > also, i saw the new lavers with a mesh top like the old ones. a little > lighter i thought. anyone try these? Chad and Sunil are both using them, and have convinced several people at the Symposium to make the switch. My big problem was what to do about the in-step, but they just filled it up with shoe goo and it seems to work great. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 21 11:52:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00711 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:52:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA00410 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:52:21 -0800 Received: (qmail 25159 invoked by alias); 21 Feb 2000 00:51:36 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 19627 invoked by uid 0); 21 Feb 2000 00:48:57 -0000 Received: from fdialup150.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.104.150) by dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 21 Feb 2000 00:48:57 -0000 Message-ID: <38B08B91.AB7BA5E7@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 17:49:21 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Colorado shred Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This weekend was great for me, I know it'd not over yet but I won't be there tommorow. I did crappy in the competition (especially day 2) but now I have one under my belt and look forward to future ones. It was nice to put faces with all the big names. M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 21 11:52:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00716 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:52:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04671 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:04:35 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.ad.eed923 (4510) for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:05:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:05:21 EST Subject: [freestyle] Another "what is this" move To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone! First off I just want to say I got the Kenny Shults video "Tricks of the Trade" and I love it. Anyway I have been hitting this cool move I'm not sure what it is, because I can't find it on the list CLIP>(NO PLANT WHILE) SAME IN>Clockwise Spin>SAME CLIP The clip/dexerity leg does all the work basically and never plants. I'm not sure what clockwise spin is whether front/back. I think it is a really cool move. I'm going guess it is a Symposium Paradox Torque/Mirage or somthing like that. I'm not sure, and thats why I'm asking for the name and how many adds it is? I hoping 5, but I know its not. One can hope can't they? -Evan "Skykicker" Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 21 12:55:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00833 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:55:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06415 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:51:19 -0800 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07133; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:52:46 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:52:46 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: Evan Edmondson cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Another "what is this" move In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Anyway I have been hitting this cool move I'm not sure what it is, > because I can't find it on the list > CLIP>(NO PLANT WHILE) SAME IN>Clockwise Spin>SAME CLIP > The clip/dexerity leg does all the work basically and never plants. I'm > not sure what clockwise spin is whether front/back. I think it is a really If the dexing leg does not plant then the "no plant while" in the notation is incorrect and should be omitted because "no plat while" means symposium and the move you describe it not at all symposium. It looks like a paradox blender. Is the dex whirl style? Otherwise it might be a paradox drifter, but that doesn't have a spin in it. Clockwise spin tells us absolutley nothing because the direction of the spin depends on what foot sets the bag. If you set from a left clipper are you spinning clockwise at the end? Does the move end like an osis? If it is a paradox bledner, than it is 5adds. > cool move. I'm going guess it is a Symposium Paradox Torque/Mirage or symposium paradox torque is clip > (no plant while) same in > op osis. That means set the bag, plant the set foot and rase your support leg off the gruond, jump up with the set foot that is planted to do a in-out dex, then land on the dexing foot (the other leg stays in the air this whole time) and catch on the opposite foot osis. sympoosium paradox mirage is clip > (no plant while) same in > op toe. Again, you must set, then switch feet and jump off of one leg to do the dex and catch with the other foot. People seem to misuse the "no plant while" in notation a lot. The wording doesn't make a lot of sense in some cases. I bet the totorial explains it clearly though, so anyone who doesn't know how to use it should read that. Later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 21 23:58:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01753 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:58:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saturn.wwc.edu (IDENT:root@saturn178.wwc.edu [199.236.178.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17645 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:47:33 -0800 Received: from nebo.wwc (nebo.wwc [10.82.5.5]) by saturn.wwc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA13982 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:48:55 -0800 Received: from WWC-Message_Server by nebo.wwc with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 2-% 2000 23:48:54 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Mon, 21 2-% 2000 23:48:44 -0800 From: "Erik Engeberg" To: Subject: [freestyle] a question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id XAA01741 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yesterday i hit a move that ive never seen on the move list. It was a spinning flapper stall. Toe > bod spin > same flapper del This is a 4 add move. If it doesnt have a name, what about flosis, because its a flapper osis. -EdE From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 22 10:37:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02300 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:37:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13545 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:13:08 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQC00901AGF2X@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:14:39 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:14:38 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colorado shred In-reply-to: <38B08B91.AB7BA5E7@uswest.net> To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Matt Wafaie wrote: > I won't be there tommorow. I did crappy in the competition > (especially day 2) but now I have one under my belt and look Just to clear things up a bit, Matt did not do "crappy" the second day. He amazed many of those big names he mentioned. I know because I was helping with the video judging and no one could stop talking about him. By the way, I may be wrong about this but I think I'm not. This kid is a local in the Denver area yet I believe his only intro to the sport has been this list, footbag.org, and some school yard kick sessions. In less than one hour of schooling I saw him busting out smear. He was already hitting leg-overs, clippers, mirages, atw's, and TORQUE. I'm telling you all to keep an eye on this kid. At the rate he's going, he'll probably be guiltless within a year. All you need are less baggy shorts to play in and some Lavers man. Later on, Brad P.S. For those of you who missed the Shred Symposium, I am truly, deeply sorry for your loss. I don't usually use this word, but it was PHAT. I mean PPPPPPPPPHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!! Hats off to the Boulder Blades for putting on a class A event. And the publicity was incredible, there was a huge article in the Colorado Daily and a spot on Channel 9 news which is NBC in Denver. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 22 10:38:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02311 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:38:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02653 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:08:48 -0800 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust215.tnt48.chi5.da.uu.net [63.17.70.215]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06526; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:10:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38B2518E.9425414D@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 03:06:23 -0600 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Engeberg CC: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] a question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Erik Engeberg wrote: > Yesterday i hit a move that ive never seen on the move list. It was a spinning flapper stall. > > Toe > bod spin > same flapper del > > This is a 4 add move. If it doesnt have a name, what about flosis, because its a flapper osis. > > -EdE I think that's an awesome name for it I'd like to throw out annother name idea. Flutterfly, for a butterfly flapper delay. that's my two cents... TW. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 22 10:38:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02316 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:38:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13032 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:47:59 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQC007019AD5K@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:49:25 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:49:25 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Another "what is this" move In-reply-to: To: Evan Edmondson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Evan Edmondson wrote: > CLIP>(NO PLANT WHILE) SAME IN>Clockwise Spin>SAME CLIP > The clip/dexerity leg does all the work basically and never plants. I'm > not sure what clockwise spin is whether front/back. I think it is a really > cool move. I'm going guess it is a Symposium Paradox Torque/Mirage or > somthing like that. I'm not sure, and thats why I'm asking for the name and > how many adds it is? I hoping 5, but I know its not. One can hope can't they? I believe you to be a really fast learner and I'm sure you are going to be a master shredder some day. However I have a REALLY HARD time believing you hit that trick the way it's written in Job's notation. The trick you posted would be a paradox miraging spinning clipper which is just damn near impossible, at least at your current level and most everyone else's for that matter. It may be that you've got the Job's a little messed up. Here's the Job's for some tricks it may be with commentary assuming you are setting from the right clipper. Paradox Drifter/4 adds: clip> same in> same clip This move does not have a spin in it though it does sometimes require turning your body a tiny bit clockwise. Vortex (Gyro Drifter)/4adds: clip> (back)spin> same in> same clip This move would give you the clockwise spin you talked about, only it would come before the dex not after. Paradox Torque/5adds: clip> same in> (back)spin> op clip The only difference from this move and the one you posted is that you land the bag on the opposite clipper that you started from, not the same one. So, just to clear things up a bit on the spins also. Again assuming you are setting from right clipper (mind you I'm lefty so I have to turn it all around for you here). If you set the bag right clipper and do a clockwise spin, the bag is travelling behind your body, so it is a BACK spin. If you set right clipper and spin counter clockwise the bag travels in front of your body and is a FRONT or more properly an "IN SPIN". Hope this helps you to figure out the trick you hit. Longwindedly, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 22 10:38:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02306 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:38:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14629 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:06:31 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.aa.1a474c6 (4589) for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:07:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:07:26 EST Subject: [freestyle] Detailed Explanation on the trick i'm doing To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Everyone! Seems to me that nobody really knows what I'm doing. Its my fault, I thought I could write jobs notation, but I guess I don't.So here is what I do. I start from a left clipper(me being a lefty). Then, I send the bag up bout' head high, then I do a IN to OUT dex with the same leg(left leg), still not planting it. At the same time I'm moving my body clockwise (after the dex though) and hit the bag with same clipper(left foot). By that time I'm looking backwards from what I was before. Some of you do not belive I hit this, me being a begginer and all. Well, it is not that hard. I can do dragonfly and butterfly stuff. So that takes care of the dex. In no time, probably less than an hour, From a clipper IN to OUT with the same foot without planting. So now I have the dex,paradox, and no planting down. Now all I have to do is spin into a clipper. I've got osis down pretty good, so now all I have to do is tie in these. If you can I want you to pick up your footbag and put on your shoes and try this. I think then you will understand how easy it is. Because once you've done the dex I just start turning my foot like I'm moving into a clipper(which I am) and let the spin do the rest. I think if you do it you will better understand that it is easy because of the spin. I really wished I had a video camera and could put it on the computer. But I don't. I asked help from someone to tell me if I was doing the dex right. A few times he said I was. A few times I didn't. But I did hit this trick. -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 22 13:34:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02518 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:34:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f261.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19270 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:18:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 67238 invoked by uid 0); 22 Feb 2000 20:19:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000222201944.67237.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:19:44 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: beesknees13@earthlink.net, engeer@wwc.edu Cc: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] a question Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:19:44 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Erik Edenburg wrote: > a spinning flapper stall. > > If it doesnt have a name, what about flosis, because its a flapper osis. Then Tim Werner wrote: >I think that's an awesome name for it I'd like to throw out annother name >idea. Flutterfly, for a >butterfly flapper delay. that's my two cents I believe butterfly ending in a flapper is known as a Sole Train. I don't personally like either of recently proposed names myself. Ken CF Somolinos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 22 17:09:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02908 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:09:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA23542 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:29:35 -0800 Received: (qmail 16658 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2000 00:31:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000223003107.16656.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.180] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:31:07 PST Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:31:07 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] personal ripwalk record To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, Im In one helluva good mood right now since I doubled my personal ripwalk record! Its now 14...Is that not awsome?!? I really suprised myself with this one!!! Can anyone hook my up with some phat techno music to shred to? Just give me the names of cool songs and artists...thanx later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 22 17:09:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02903 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:09:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21703 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:29:36 -0800 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18273 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:31:10 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:31:09 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] no plant while Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does the symposium add in a sympoisium mirage/dlo count if you jump off both legs at the same time? There really is no plant between the launch/dexterity/landing if you jump off both legs. I remember seeing video of dlo's with the 2-footed launch; maybe they were considered symposium maybe not. Any thoughts, opinions, comments? I hit a pogo set landing on both feet to a paradox mirage launching off both feet. I like it a lot and I'm goin' for the dlo version tommorrow. -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 22 21:26:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03134 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:26:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA26983 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:54:28 -0800 Received: (qmail 89188 invoked by alias); 23 Feb 2000 03:55:59 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 89107 invoked by uid 0); 23 Feb 2000 03:55:58 -0000 Received: from rdialup144.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.160.172.144) by dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2000 03:55:58 -0000 Message-ID: <38B35A65.EE7D0F67@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:56:21 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colorado shred References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >In less than one hour of schooling I saw him busting out >smear. That was a different Matt who hit smear and such. He's from Golden. I'm the other Matt from Littleton. I choked the 2nd day of competition. I was hitting all those other moves mentioned, but never a smear. The site is my only intro to the sport. That other Matt is only 15 and he is dang good. Matt Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 22 21:26:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03144 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:26:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27079 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:58:57 -0800 Received: from [24.141.155.206] ([24.141.155.206]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.10.0.Beta12/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e1N38uD18940 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:08:56 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:08:06 -0500 Subject: [freestyle] re:techno music From: Neil Bearse To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Right now, the best shred music for me is Moby's new album - Play!! also try Underworlds album - Dubnobasswithmyheadman...or..Leftfield's album - Leftism. ... just my 2 pennies.. NEiL From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 22 21:45:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03182 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:45:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f34.hotmail.com [216.32.181.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA27684 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:39:28 -0800 Received: (qmail 85966 invoked by uid 0); 23 Feb 2000 02:53:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20000223025353.85965.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.210.37.98 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:53:52 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.210.37.98] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] personal ripwalk record Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:53:52 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Jamez wrote: >Can anyone hook my up with some phat techno music to >shred to? Just give me the names of cool songs and >artists...thanx A great album is Fatboy Slim's "Better Living Through Chemistry" Also anything by Chemical Brothers, Propellerheads or Future Sound of London is good. I like 'em anyway. The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 10:36:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03903 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:36:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (mta@goldenseal.3rd-coast.com [209.79.28.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05081 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:23:54 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (c1008757-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com [24.7.100.246]) by goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:46:01 -0800 Message-ID: <38B40A39.7082979A@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:26:33 -0600 From: "Derric Scalf" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] no plant while References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Philip Summers wrote: > > Does the symposium add in a sympoisium mirage/dlo count if you jump off > both legs at the same time? Nope. What you are describing is "stomping". By current judging, stomping is a style difference, not a difficulty difference. > There really is no plant between the > launch/dexterity/landing if you jump off both legs. I remember seeing > video of dlo's with the 2-footed launch; That would probably be Peter Irish... > maybe they were considered > symposium maybe not. Any thoughts, opinions, comments? Symposium requires the following: the dex leg is on the ground, you hop off of the dex leg and do the dex, you land back on your dex leg. During all of this, your non-dex leg cannot touch the ground. In stomping, your non-dex leg is on the ground at the beginning of the move. Should stomping get an extra ADD? maybe. Does stomping get an extra ADD? no. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 10:43:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03931 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:43:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f239.hotmail.com [209.185.130.204]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA04082 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:11:04 -0800 Received: (qmail 80583 invoked by uid 0); 23 Feb 2000 15:12:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000223151207.80582.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.225.20.19 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:12:07 PST X-Originating-IP: [149.225.20.19] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] knee injuries Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:12:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey everybody i got some serious problems with my knee after shredding nearly every day for some time. it started to hurt badly after i tried torque and double around the world for an hour or something. i couldnt bend my knee anymore. i went to the doctor, he said its the miniscus, gave me some medicine to take and said "if this helps, the miniscus is not ripped off" i returned after one week and it really helped, no more pain and shit, so the doc said its okay and i dont need any surgery or something. BUT now when i sit with my knee bent for some time, it starts hurting again. has anyone come across these kind of injury yet ? i think it could be a common injury among footbaggers..... should i consider an operation or something ? this really sucks, if you got some experiences with miniscus injuries, please answer me and give me some hints for healing and rehabilitation thanx alot, and excuse my bad english (im from germany) fabian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 10:44:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03936 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:44:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07127 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:39:15 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10145; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:38:53 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38B40A39.7082979A@dallasfootbag.org> References: <38B40A39.7082979A@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:40:48 -0800 To: "Derric Scalf" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] no plant while Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:26 AM -0600 2/23/00, Derric Scalf wrote: >Nope. What you are describing is "stomping". By current judging, >stomping is a style difference, not a difficulty difference. Damn, I really need to send out my paper on stomping and planting. Okay, I promise (hahahah) I'll try to do this tonight. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 12:31:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04049 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:31:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz ([202.180.64.194]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08788 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:07:06 -0800 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <192LW2D7>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:08:08 +1300 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378235D5103@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] New Moves? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:08:06 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yet a couple more new move queries... Anyone know the name of these two tricks? If they don't have a name, I'm happy with the names below :) 1. Stepping High Plains Drifter clip > op in dex > (plant) > same in dex > same clip del 2. Stepping Barroque clip > op in dex > (plant) > same in dex > (BACK) spin > op clip del Cheers From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 14:23:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04249 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:23:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f212.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.212]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10768 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:13:07 -0800 Received: (qmail 97364 invoked by uid 0); 23 Feb 2000 22:14:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20000223221415.97363.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:14:15 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: derric@dallasfootbag.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] no plant while Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:14:15 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Adrian Dick asked about stepping high plains drifter and stepping barroque, and if they had any cool names. First off, I don't know if anyone has hit them yet, but I've seen Sunil try them. I think stepping High Plains drifter was called Tri Plains Drifter, but I don't know if that was just provisional or what. He just called stepping barroque triple torque. Derric wrote: >Symposium requires the following: > >the dex leg is on the ground, >you hop off of the dex leg and do the dex, >you land back on your dex leg. >During all of this, your non-dex leg cannot touch the ground. This is not entirely true. With Superfly, ps mirage, and PS Whirl, your non-dex leg needs to be on the ground when you set, otherwise you can't stand up. : D Also, I think Symposium Blender and PS Blender don't conform to Derric's description. Spring's coming! Ceiling Fan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 14:24:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04257 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:24:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10003 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:21:41 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQE00D01JEU2G@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:23:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:23:18 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Detailed Explanation on the trick i'm doing In-reply-to: To: Evan Edmondson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, Evan Edmondson wrote: > Some of you do not belive I hit this, me being a begginer and all. Actually I and many others probably do believe you hit it. It's a paradox blender (5 adds). Your original Job's for it was correct, but you made it a bit confusing because you did not say which clipper you started with, but you talked about the clockwise spin which would throw which move it was into question since it could have been an inspinning move. > Well, it is not that hard. Hey, watch it there buddy. Many moves are relative in this game and it took me quite a while to learn that particular one and I still don't have it solid. I'm glad you're hitting it though and I'm just messing with you. Here is a very important bit of advice to all. Strings are the key. It's cool to hit big moves, but they are not as much fun if you can't play into and out of them. Honestly, if you are mostly a 2 and 3 add player then you should work on long strings before schooling 5's. I'm in that boat right now because I wanted to hit the big stuff first, so now it's taking me longer to get my string length up. enough from me, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 15:03:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04354 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:03:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11420 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:45:08 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.84.1d207a9 (3312) for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:46:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <84.1d207a9.25e5bd2f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:46:07 EST Subject: [freestyle] Tricks not on list To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everone! I've noticed that there is at least a new trick name that I have never heard of and never seen. Say like superfly...what is that? That is just one out of the many. -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 15:05:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04371 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:05:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11568 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:56:06 -0800 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA60720; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:57:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:57:44 -0800 (PST) From: Sunil Jani To: KeN Somolinos cc: freestyle list Subject: Re: [freestyle] no plant while In-Reply-To: <20000223221415.97363.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, KeN Somolinos wrote: > > > Hi all, > Adrian Dick asked about stepping high plains drifter and stepping barroque, > and if they had any cool names. First off, I don't know if anyone has hit > them yet, but I've seen Sunil try them. No you haven't. > I think stepping High Plains > drifter was called Tri Plains Drifter, but I don't know if that was just > provisional or what. He just called stepping barroque triple torque. Wrong, I was trying a triple drifter which I called triplains drifter there was no step or plant in the move. Same thing with the triaging osis (triple torque) I tried... no step. Back to what Adrian was asking about: >1. Stepping High Plains Drifter >clip > op in dex > (plant) > same in dex > same clip del This is actually stepping drifter... called tombstone. > 2. Stepping Barroque > clip > op in dex > (plant) > same in dex > (BACK) spin > op clip del This is actually stepping torque... I've heard it called both gravedigger and jacknife tombstone... the Vus vould set you straight on the name. I'm so sick of so much misinformation being propagated on this list. If you're going to reply to a message, please read it in full before you do so. Thanks. -Sunil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 16:07:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04496 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:07:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.sas.upenn.edu (anaro@MAIL1.SAS.UPENN.EDU [165.123.26.32]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12262 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:30:36 -0800 Received: (from anaro@localhost) by mail1.sas.upenn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SAS.05) id SAA02077; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:31:27 -0500 (EST) From: anaro@sas.upenn.edu (Alessandre S Naro) Message-Id: <200002232331.SAA02077@mail1.sas.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] no plant while To: sjani@itsa.ucsf.edu (Sunil Jani) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:31:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: footbug@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: from "Sunil Jani" at Feb 23, 2000 02:57:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > I'm so sick of so much misinformation being propagated on this list. > If you're going to reply to a message, please read it in full before you > do so. Thanks. > > -Sunil I once heard that Sunil took over 40% of all available chicken wings from a college dorm study break. Mind you this pile was meant to supply over 200 hungry freshmen, so that was no mean feat. Witnesses attempted to place me as an accomplice, but a pile of chicken bones found in the fourth floor study lounge proved to be insufficient evidence. But that's all hearsay. And I won't even mention the proliferation of propagated Josh Penney misinformations. -Alex From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 17:30:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04800 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:30:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13484 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:36:42 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA102 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:38:21 -0800 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BF7E1C.651C49C0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:38:21 -0800 Message-ID: <01BF7E1C.651C49C0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re [freestyle] New Moves? Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:38:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adrian Dick wrote... >1. Stepping High Plains Drifter >clip > op in dex > (plant) > same in dex > same clip del Understand that this is NOT a Stepping High Plains Drifter. This is a Stepping Drifter you are describing. Otherwise known as... "Tombstone" >2. Stepping Barroque >clip > op in dex > (plant) > same in dex > (BACK) spin > op clip del Again, this is not a Stepping Barroque... It is a Stepping Torque. I believe this one is "Gravedigger" Consult Mr. Disco Ninja for confirmation if you get a chance. btw... these are definitely not new moves. Large?... yes... but not new in general Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 17:31:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04811 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:31:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14252 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:21:02 -0800 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24765 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:22:42 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 19:22:40 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] it was a good day Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The weather in central IL. was great in the earlier part of the day, so I was charged for some outdoor kicking. I hit two really solid whirling swirls!! I also had a nice tiltless string with 2 atom smashers and 3 legbeaters, working both sides. But what I'm really excited about is the new 3-dex move I hit. If pixie legbeater is not already named I want to name it "Vader". (it's like a Yoda with the second dex reversed.) Jobs is : toe > same in > op out > op out > op clip; the first 2 dexes are done with the set. It's wierd - it's like a pixie set straight into an atomic set. I think pixie tapping mirage would be cool too (and pixie tapping dlo, hehehe 4-dex rewind) -phil's legs ache from too much shredding :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 18:13:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04847 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:13:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f152.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.152]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14733 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:53:37 -0800 Received: (qmail 93414 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2000 01:54:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000224015447.93413.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:54:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: konrad@prairienet.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] it was a good day (for some) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:54:47 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Sorry for posting incorrect info to the list earlier. Stepping Drifter is indeed Tombstone and I've heard Stepping Torque called Grave digger. Hell, I even hit these moves, I just read "stepping high plains drifter" so i assumed that was the move in question, not stepping drifter, etc. Y'all can boot me in the ass next time I go out in public. Phil Konrad wrote: . If pixie >legbeater is not already named I want to name it "Vader". (it's like a >Yoda with the second dex reversed.) I like the name, but pixie legbeater has already been hit. Frank Gutowski hits it on a clip on Dallasfootbag.org, and he calls it Dasein, which is German for "pixie legbeater," or something. Ken "don't hurt me" Somolinos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 20:31:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04990 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:31:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25689 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:24:28 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.63.22acd27 (4546) for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:54:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63.22acd27.25e5f761@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:54:25 EST Subject: [freestyle] Why all the confusion? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 44 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone! I thought I would hold it in until I knew what I was really talking about, but I have to let it all out. . . I have noticed ever since I joined this mailing list that there is always "what is this" and questions on anything and everything. Now, I know I ask for help all the time, so don't get the wrong impression of what I'm trying to say. But- I would like to find out why not have a "universal" add system? I know that there is already a add system and a very good one. These are all suggestions and opinions of mine, 2 cents worth if you will. Now, I have a new updated printed MOVE LIST right beside me. It seems that a 5 add move (Paradox Blender) has only 1 dex, one spin, and 2 clipers. Wheres if I turn the page a little more I see another 5 add trick (Blurriest). It has a big total of 2 clippers, and 3 dex! Wow. I thought it might be kinda' good( I know sooner or later it will cause a huge confusion) that anything you do, say a spin, a clipper, a dex, duck, dive, ANYTHING, is worth 1 add. In my theory the Paradox Blender would be only 4 adds, and this blurriest would still be 5 adds. This might cut down on some confusion I think. . . But thats only what I think. I'm not trying to meet any online enemys.I am actually as I write thinking of not sending this. I'm not trying to put down the current add system or anything like that. I think it was Bob that made it all up. I am very glad he did! Once again I know that alot people are going hate me probably after I send this, but I am just trying to find the answer, why not? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 20:38:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05027 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:38:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f235.hotmail.com [216.32.181.235]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA25867 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:28:53 -0800 Received: (qmail 88053 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2000 02:43:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000224024323.88052.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.151.225.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:43:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.151.225.201] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Tricks not on list Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:43:23 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Evan wrote: > I've noticed that there is at least a new trick name that I have > >never heard of and never seen. Say like superfly...what is that? That >is >just one out of the many. Superfly is a symposium barfly. Real tough move but last I checked it was on the list. The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Feb 23 21:30:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05080 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:30:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f215.hotmail.com [216.32.181.215]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA26956 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:23:51 -0800 Received: (qmail 66240 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2000 05:25:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000224052502.66239.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.151.225.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:25:02 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.151.225.201] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Why all the confusion? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 00:25:02 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Evan wrote: >I would like to find out why not have a "universal" add system? Well, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Forget the add system! It's not important! What is, is the fun you get out of the sport, how cool a shred can really look to others, etc. Sure, some moves fall apart in the adds system we have but so what? The real diffuculty in the sport is how a move is set and from the way the move was played out of. Many people have submitted their own adds system over the months and months that this list has existed only to be rejected by other players on the list for whatever reasons. No offence to you Evan, I'm just tired of these endless debates. >I think it was Bob that made it all up. I am very glad he did! Actually it was Ben Job. Peace out all, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 24 00:04:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05270 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 00:04:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f125.hotmail.com [209.185.131.188]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29050 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:59:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 14170 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2000 08:00:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000224080034.14169.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.225.21.49 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 00:00:34 PST X-Originating-IP: [149.225.21.49] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: footbug@hotmail.com, konrad@prairienet.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] it was a good day (for some) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:00:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I like the name, but pixie legbeater has already been hit. Frank Gutowski >hits it on a clip on Dallasfootbag.org, and he calls it >Dasein, which is >German for "pixie legbeater," or something. no its not =) "da sein" means "be there", and "Dasein" means "existence" i dont know what legbeater means really, so i cant translate it heehe fabian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 24 00:25:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05300 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 00:25:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05297 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 00:25:47 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29376 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 00:22:33 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04518 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 00:22:47 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000224052502.66239.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000224052502.66239.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 00:24:20 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Why all the confusion? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:25 AM -0500 2/24/00, Mickey Mayer wrote: >>I think it was Bob that made it all up. I am very glad he did! > >Actually it was Ben Job. Hehehehheeh. It was not Ben Job. He just wrote a paper for a class project that led to our notation that we use in e-mail and on the move list. The add system was invented by a group of people back in the Day -- I'm not sure I can give the complete list, but the main contributors were Kenny Shults and Reed Gray. But there were others. And at one point the system got formalized and made part of the IFAB (now IFC) rule system (see http://ifc.footbag.org). As I've said (oh, about 10,000 times) before, the add system is not that complicated, it's just when people bicker over individual tricks that it's an issue, and when people get to general categories of tricks that are known to be exceptions to the system (i.e., undefined or wedged in so there's at least some answer). Those include paradox moves among others. Get over it, and get on with life. :-) (He writes, as he is busily hacking on the next release of footbag.org... No, Brat has no life.) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 24 10:47:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05843 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:47:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f244.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.244]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA15746 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:15:58 -0800 Received: (qmail 67679 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2000 18:17:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20000224181712.67678.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.122.253.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:17:12 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.122.253.144] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] philly open? Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:17:12 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I really want to go to the Philly Open and was wondering if anyone from UPenn would be attending? i was going to visit my friends there that weekend anyway, so all i need to go to the competition is a ride from UPenn to that place (and back) :) i can't really afford the hotel for the night, so if you're going from upenn there and then back for the night (and there again the next day) i'd appreciate the ride (or bus-company or something) =) thanks! Stan. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 24 10:47:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05848 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:47:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f106.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.106]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA15959 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:21:44 -0800 Received: (qmail 83268 invoked by uid 0); 24 Feb 2000 18:22:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000224182258.83267.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:22:58 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Symposium Question... Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:22:58 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Is anyone going to post some results from the symposium? Rather, COULD someone please post some results? I would really like to hear how everyone did and what kinds of events took place. Thanks, Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 24 12:16:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05979 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:16:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17818 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:53:50 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQG00F01A074W@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:55:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:55:19 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] pixie legbeater In-reply-to: <20000224015447.93413.qmail@hotmail.com> To: KeN Somolinos Cc: konrad@prairienet.org, freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, KeN Somolinos wrote: > I like the name, but pixie legbeater has already been hit. Frank Gutowski > hits it on a clip on Dallasfootbag.org, and he calls it Dasein, which is > German for "pixie legbeater," or something. Correct me if I'm wrong please, I don't want any misinformation being spread. I saw Frank hit this at worlds and I've tried many times to do it myself, but it seems more like a toe-shooting buuterfly compared to Sunil who makes each dex look like it's very own. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 24 23:20:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06762 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:20:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f250.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.75]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA27918 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:46:10 -0800 Received: (qmail 19511 invoked by uid 0); 25 Feb 2000 05:47:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000225054727.19510.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:47:26 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] records, tips Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:47:26 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freestylers, I was just looking at the records page on Dallasfootbag.org, and something occurred to me. If somebody is good enough at a move to be able to do it back to back over and over again, then maybe they should share this knowledge with the footbag community by becoming a member of footbag.org, and adding a member tip for that move on the freestyle movelist. If somebody can hit 19 atom smashers, or 8 blenders, then I'm sure they can give better advice than anybody else on how to hit it. I'm sure many, many freestylers would really appreciate it. Also, I was wondering what the consec records are for some of the following: Stepping Osis Diving Osis Diving butterfly Butterfly swirl Smudge Gyro butterfly I've seen various people hit at least two in a row for all these moves. What about symposium whirling swirl or in-spinning osis? Also, if Lynton is still on the list, what is your eggbeater record? If you can hit 5 symposium ones, I bet you can hit over 6 regular style. Just some thoughts, and please, if you hold a consec record, please consider adding a member tip on the move list. Thanks, Ken CF Somolinos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 24 23:20:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06772 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:20:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27186 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:38:41 -0800 Received: from slippery ([199.172.153.106]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with ESMTP id <20000225043957.CSQC2777.kuku.excite.com@slippery> for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:39:57 -0800 Message-ID: <11052016.951453597316.JavaMail.imail@slippery> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:39:57 -0800 (PST) From: Allan Haggett Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Injuries & Acupuncture Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 24.64.223.5 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, There has been a lot of questions about injuries and how to treat them on the list lately, and though I've stated my opinion on this subject before I wanted to re-iterate it because I think many people could benefit from acupuncture. Though it still has a long way to go in North America as far as general acceptance in the mainstream medical community, acupuncture has been practised for centuries throughout rural China and the surrounding areas and has proven itself time and again to be an effective method for relieving pain and speeding the recovery of many different injuries and physical ailments. I myself have had two fairly major injuries that I have recovered from in less than half of the time it would have taken me to recover had I taken the advice of my 'conventional' doctor. I have seen extreme bruising and swelling(my ankle looked like a purple softball) dissipate literally overnight. The two torn ligements in my foot were healed and full strength within a month, and only took two treaments. Recently I tweaked my neck so badly I couldn't even move(literally) out of bed without severe pain. That was three weeks ago now, and I've been playing for a week with a *strong* neck. After having been out last year for more than a month with the exact same thing, I can say without a doubt that my acupunturist saved me weeks of agony. To make a long story short for anyone who has cared to read this far, ACUPUNTURE *REALLY* DOES WORK!! Mickey Mayer, Eric Wulff and anyone else out there who is hurt right now: Don't let the needles and seeming 'mystery' of it all discourage you from trying this valuable treament. You owe it to yourself and your body to try it at least once. If it doesn't work for you, then write and tell me about it.... write the list and tell everyone! sorry to take up so much space:) Allan Victoria, BC PS Tea Tree Oil worked pretty good for me too for aches and pains and stuff like that. And it smells nicer than Tiger Balm d|;)~ _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 24 23:20:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06757 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:20:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f230.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.230]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA28721 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:58:19 -0800 Received: (qmail 64588 invoked by uid 0); 25 Feb 2000 06:59:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000225065936.64587.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.14.211.165 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:59:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.14.211.165] From: "Amber Wolles" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] knee injuries Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:59:35 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fabian said: >has anyone come across these kind of injury yet ? i think it could be a >common injury among footbaggers..... >should i consider an operation or something ? >this really sucks, if you got some experiences with miniscus injuries, >please answer me and give me some hints for healing and rehabilitation I had a similar problem, although it wasn't as severe. Every time I'd bend my left knee for any length of time it would start hurting really bad. What I did was took some Advil and didn't kick for awhile. Alternating heat and ice might also help. -Amber From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Feb 24 23:20:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06767 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:20:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.19]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27509 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:05:19 -0800 Received: from czpwa - 204.32.196.200 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:05:54 -0800 Message-ID: <007101bf7f56$7fafb5c0$c8c420cc@czpwa> From: "Rick Reese" To: "shred" Subject: [freestyle] symposium and symposium Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:06:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The shred symposium was awesome. I only attended Sun. and Mon. too. It's really pretty amazing to see where this freestyle thing has gone in the last few years... Guiltless didn't exist 5 years ago! I'm sure Eli will post some results soon , what I can tell those of you who see this is everybody is busting out HUGE combos. Ryan proved once again that he is the man, but Sunil is absolutely sick also! HE BUSTED OUT FLURRY so many times in one combo my head was spinning, he also hit some nasty clean barraging blurs and a few triages as well..... clean as a whistle I might add. BIG ADD Chad was ever impressive too. Gyro whirl to blurry whirl to name one. There were so many high-fives dished out my hands hurt which means I could go on all night talking about combos, but instead, let me say that I stayed up late the other night watching the newest videos from Boulder Blades called Matt Churney and friends '99 Worlds and, my favorite, Reese's Pieces. There is some kick-ass footage here my friends.... please get in touch with Dave and Elie to purchase these vids. Secondly, the original concept of symposium moves was thought up by my great friend Joey Shaeffer, the name was thought of by yours truly, scanning a dictionary at about 3 in the morning sometime back in '91 or'92. We weren't sure what we were getting ourselves into but I'm positive the definition is still, to this day, not black and white. What I mean is , just like the add system, there is going to be some discrepancy about certain tricks or moves falling into the symposium category. The first symp. move created was symp. whirl, followed by symp. mirage, then symp. whirling swirl, and so on. The symposium represented the non-plant of the setting foot originally, but perhaps has moved on to incorporate the idea of just planting one foot and then performing the trick. Sunil and Ryan did not agree with me that Symposium paradox blender should be awarded the symposium name because you catch the bag with the same foot you set it with. But, they both agreed it made the trick harder and therefore should get the extra add. A response is more than welcome to this theory. Anyway, I don't write much on this site so I didn't mean to bore anyone, shred on all, I'll see you in the next circle, as long as Ryan isn't in it too. JUST KIDDING, that kid is insane! Take care, Rippin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Feb 25 00:31:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06953 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:31:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web703.mail.yahoo.com (web703.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.23]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29177 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:43:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 17023 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2000 07:45:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000225074518.17022.qmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [144.254.249.188] by web703.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:45:18 PST Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:45:18 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Wollick Subject: [freestyle] videos To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey i want a video of the 99 worlds. how can i get one? -mantiznis From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Feb 25 15:40:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07618 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:40:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13093 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:39:32 -0800 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17261; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:41:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:41:18 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: Brad Kaplan cc: KeN Somolinos , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pixie legbeater In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Brad Kaplan wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong please, I don't want any misinformation being > spread. I saw Frank hit this at worlds and I've tried many times to do it > myself, but it seems more like a toe-shooting butterfly compared to > Sunil who makes each dex look like it's very own. I agree that the dasein looks more like a shooting set than two seperate dexes. Perhaps we need a new set name, no? toe > same in > op out could be a "blazing" set; dasein could then be described as a blazing butterfly. what'd'ya think? (i think freestyle needs more firey names - blazing, scorched, flaming, etc...) -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Feb 27 21:29:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10562 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:29:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04692 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:48:39 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.e.123e2ce (2616) for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:48:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:48:01 EST Subject: [freestyle] Torque To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, The new trick I am practicing(also trying to link tricks I alread have down) is torque. I set it from a clipper and carry on like I'm doing a mirage. When I have my leg thrown over I'm already twisting myself so I'm doing a spin. This is all in mid-air. Well, I loose it in the twisting part. By the time I already hit ground I'm trying to get my foot ready for clipper but its already on top of the bag! ! ! I wish I could send a video of me trying to do it, so someone could point out whats wrong. I'm trying to be as descriptive as I can, someone tell me if I need to specify a part while i'm trying to do it. I have seen this trick in pratically every video I download(and thats alot!) and I think it is awesome. -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Feb 27 21:30:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10575 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:30:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA16034 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:53:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 29095 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2000 23:26:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000227232650.29094.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.240] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:26:50 PST Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:26:50 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] not a "newbie" anymore? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I think I can consider myself not a "newbie". Though I still havent broke through my first year of footbag and Im still using my first pair of lavers and my first "real" footbag. I hit a few blurriest's today!!! So now ive hit a handfull of 5 adders and a total of 3 three dex moves. And also im totally guiltless (besides the toe stall and clippers stall i do before every string) So I think its safe to say im not a "newbie"...cool? later, Jamez P.S. Has any one ever truly gone trippless? From the looks of the 99' worlds vids at dallas footbag.org, Ryan Mulroney is WELL on his way... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Feb 27 21:30:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10570 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:30:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 22417 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2000 05:03:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000227050336.22416.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.162.207] by web2006.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:03:36 PST Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:03:36 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Re: blazing To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > I agree that the dasein looks more like a > shooting set than two seperate > dexes. Perhaps we need a new set name, no? > toe > same in > op out > could be a "blazing" set; dasein could then be > described as a blazing > butterfly. what'd'ya think? Sorry, 'Blazing' is taken for whirling opposite side moves, like a blurry set but whirling. THus far I've only hit blazing butterfly and blazing mirage, and whirling butterfly (same side) and whirling mirage (same side). And of course, 'Blistering' refers to whirling gyro/spinning moves. Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Feb 27 21:29:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10555 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:29:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2004.mail.yahoo.com (web2004.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.204]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02418 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:48:51 -0800 Received: (qmail 6324 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2000 07:48:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000226074843.6323.qmail@web2004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.162.154] by web2004.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 23:48:43 PST Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 23:48:43 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Eli Piltz reporting from Boulder To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: ezshredz@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up, freestylers? As you've heard, the first annual Colorado Shred Symposium was a great time with an awesome turnout. We had 11 pro competitors and 12 intermediate competitors (I'll post the results by Monday, hopefully). Of course the number of competitors that weekend doesn't give any idea of how many people were actually playing. It was a lot of work to get this thing together, and it was well worth it to bring so many great friends and new faces together for a truly memorable weekend in footbag history. Dozens of rising stars from accross Colorado surprised us with their presence and skills, and thanks to local media coverage, we had as many spectators as we could fit in the giant igloo. I didn't mention it the first time, but the article I mentioned before the event featured in the Colorado Daily ran on the front page for the entire weekend. Channel 9 news of Denver showed up on Sunday to film and interview, and from what I've heard it aired with a bang- maybe Dave and I will slap it on the end of our next video production. Also, three days after the Symposium's conclusion another article, a better one at that IMO, ran in the Boulder Weekly; check it out at http://www.boulderweekly.com/outtabounds.html Jonathan was certainly stoked with it, since he was mentioned and quoted almost as many times as I saw Ryan Mulroney hit p.s.whirl back-to-back. I must say there was some incredible talent exploding in my face from two days before the Symp, when Chad, Sunil, and Red busted the basement jam, until Monday night when Chad, Sunil, and the young superstar Yacine du Montreal pulled out all they had left in their blades. I saw everyone playing their best at some point. Big Add Chad receives my 'Blade of Honor' award for his open style and symmetrical, creative linkage, for dialing every 5 and 6 add move on both sides, and of course his modest, positive attitude on and off the game- thanks for coming, Chad. Sunil 'Tsunami' Jani is so strong! He is slicing holes in the air with his triple dexes and quick, furious style; you watch this guy play and you can't help but understand the slogan "Stand clear of the blades." Sunil, you go all day, man. Lon Smith is of course as smooth as ever, and he's taking that gel into big tricks with eloquence; he is one pumped up guy. The Highlander, Dave Holton was going long and strong with tripless ducking, diving, stepping, spinning galore, and really pushing the limits of distance with difficulty and creativity at the forefront. Dave is definitely one of my inspirations as a traveler and skool buddy- cheers to many years ahead. Jon the 'Outsider' Schneider still confuses the heck out of me with his dragons- thanks for being the devil's advocate so many times. ;) I was playing pretty well all weekend, too (except in comp- choke city). I hit the latest 7 add move (pending Wulff's modifier) Nuclear Torque- finally! Also hit my first weakside 6 add- Symp Tomohawk (ducking ps whirl), and diving symp whirl. Ryan 'Regulator' Mulroney was going huge all three days: all kinds of sick, long strings of unreal fives and creative fours; he'll be the first to link 10 fives without a doubt. Yacine, du Montreal, Quebec surprised me most of all; he went guiltless less than a week before the Symp and played strong without any sign of shakiness stepping into the big add circles; new tricks: fairy dlo and fog, and very even-sided. Keep it up! Of course I cannot leave out the veterans Scott Davidson and Rick Reese: who continue to be in the world's upper class- you guys have my deepest appreciation and admiration for bringing this sport to its hiatus. I left out so many people, I'm sorry but my eyes are getting sore. Special thanks to all of our sponsors: Carol Wedemeyer footbags & Eric Wulff, Richie Abshire footbags, Mel Schneider footbags, Shay Wright's Shaman Footbags, Paul Mestas' Revolution Sandbags, and many locally-owned businesses. And to all the Boulder Blades for organization and funds for the event. p.s. I hope all of you realize that Rippin Rick Reese, who just entered the list deserves our utmost respect for his origination and push for footbag as we know it. Thanks, Rippin, for everything. Eli Piltz, tournament director Boulder Blades From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Feb 27 21:31:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10614 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:31:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ucsub.Colorado.EDU (ucsub.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21157 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:20:30 -0800 Received: (from schneija@localhost) by ucsub.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/ITS-5.0/standard) id WAA09775 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:20:27 -0700 (MST) From: Jonathan Schneider Message-Id: <200002280520.WAA09775@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Subject: [freestyle] Re: pixie legbeater To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:20:27 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey phil, i agree that footbag needs more fiery names, which is why i try to use fire or flame in most new dragon moves i hit, like spitfire and flame thrower, but "blazing" is already taken, and by a particular kind of set too. Eli Piltz is busting out his trademark extra big whirls as a set, to infinities and paradox whirls and paradox mirages. they're prettymuch equivalent to ripwalk, blurry whirl, and blur respectively, but the first dex is done in a whirling motion rather than a miraging motion. technically they'd all be the same move in any notation, but it certainly adds lots of style to some familiar moves. and when you do a blazing set symposium, well, it looks more fully symposium than its miraging counterpart, though Highlander still thinks it suffers from the same problem regarding the add. anyway, you should see those moves, really cool, and they look hard too. I'm sure he'll get some on film for the next vid, and perhaps there is even one or two on Churney and Friends, though i'd have to watch pretty carefully to find 'em, and thats a lot of footbag to watch in one sitting. catch ya.. shpater, dudes Jonathan Schneider Outsider@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Feb 27 21:29:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10557 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:29:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f41.hotmail.com [216.32.181.41]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA01285 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:47:15 -0800 Received: (qmail 74426 invoked by uid 0); 26 Feb 2000 06:46:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000226064644.74425.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.151.225.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:46:44 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.151.225.201] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pixie legbea...blazing,scorched,flaming Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 01:46:44 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi guys, Phil wrote: >what'd'ya think? (i think freestyle needs more firey names - >blazing, scorched, flaming, etc...) I definately think that a dragon set should have one of these names. Jon Scheneider has probably already named it something but if not, the one I really like is "flaming." If a dragon set already has a name, could someone please tell me what it is. Sorry about always talking about dragons but I feel it is one of the most unique moves to ever exist in the sport. Anyone out there agree that footbag.org should have a dragon move list? (I asked this question before but got no responses). Shred on and on, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Feb 27 21:29:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10547 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:29:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Cam Barry Received: from bleu.themail.com (bleu.themail.com [216.64.2.24] (may be forged)) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01254 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:46:32 -0800 Received: from mail.TheMail.com (themail-2.themail.com [216.64.2.204] (may be forged)) by bleu.themail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA58543 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:20:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from a00ace00a@themail.com) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:20:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002262020.PAA58543@bleu.themail.com> Received-From: mail.TheMail.com To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] just hackin X-Priority: 3 Authorized-User: a00ace00a@TheMail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org whats up guys, ive been baggin alot lately and going on footbag.org alot and i getting to be a pretty good bagger for only like 4months and being only 12, hittin tricks like clips,orbits(atw),illusion,mirage,and butterfly kick and was just wandering what all this deal is with stepping op?i know thats supposed to be a "blurry set" but what does the blurry set intail?anyway i was also wondering if anyone has hit or has tried to hit this: Toe[del]>Duck[bod]>Clip ive been coming pretty close to this move its just that the end clip is so blind its hard to see what your doing.im sure ill have this move by the end of spring break.well keep hackin and havin fun. peace, Cam "the sac master" Barry mk10acethesackbagginbuddy From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Feb 27 21:36:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10626 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:36:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10623 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:36:03 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21432 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:34:18 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17269 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:32:43 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000227232650.29094.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000227232650.29094.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:34:50 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] not a "newbie" anymore? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 3:26 PM -0800 2/27/00, James Risden wrote: >I think I can consider myself not a "newbie". Isn't it funny how newbies always want to be considered "not newbies"? :-) The term is not a pejorative one and you should be *proud* to be a newcomer to the sport. We're glad to have new players. You may be hitting one or two hard tricks, but until you get to know other players in the community, you're still a newbie to our community. Which is not a bad thing, so don't sweat it. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Feb 27 21:58:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10654 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:58:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21699 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:51:08 -0800 Received: (qmail 24324 invoked by alias); 28 Feb 2000 05:51:04 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 24296 invoked by uid 0); 28 Feb 2000 05:51:03 -0000 Received: from ddialup161.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.102.161) by dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2000 05:51:03 -0000 Message-ID: <38BA0CE7.CB9C765B@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:51:35 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] not a "newbie" anymore? References: <20000227232650.29094.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have met many of the big names now at the Colorado shred. I don't know any of them, nor do they know me. I am a newbie, I have only been kicking since june or july and Newbyism has not shamed me. I do however look forward to knowing the community better. I want to say Congrats to Jeremy, a 17 year old kid from Golden for taking 3rd in the intermediate division at the symosium. He impressed the hell out of me. I'm inspired to work harder. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 28 00:05:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10764 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:05:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22915 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 23:38:45 -0800 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust80.tnt12.chi5.da.uu.net [63.22.166.80]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28416 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 23:38:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38BA24D9.461E65C8@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:33:47 -0600 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] not a "newbie" anymore? References: <20000227232650.29094.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve Goldberg wrote: > Isn't it funny how newbies always want to be considered "not newbies"? :-) > > The term is not a pejorative one and you should be *proud* to be a > newcomer to the sport. We're glad to have new players. You may be > hitting one or two hard tricks, but until you get to know other > players in the community, you're still a newbie to our community. > Which is not a bad thing, so don't sweat it. I'd just rear up my annoying little head again and say I am ready, willing, and proud to admit that i'm a newbie! that's it TW From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 28 11:25:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11378 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:25:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23773; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:48:00 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQM00H01TRYJ0@clem.mscd.edu>; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:47:58 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:47:58 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Eli Piltz reporting from Boulder In-reply-to: <20000226074843.6323.qmail@web2004.mail.yahoo.com> To: Eli Piltz Cc: freestyle@footbag.org, ezshredz@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org And I wasn't too shabby! Ya right! Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 28 11:30:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11400 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:30:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23939 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:01:59 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FQM00I01UF95Q@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 02:01:57 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 02:01:57 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] not a "newbie" anymore? In-reply-to: <20000227232650.29094.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> To: James Risden Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 27 Feb 2000, James Risden wrote: > I hit a few blurriest's today!!! So now ive hit a > handfull of 5 adders and a total of 3 three dex moves. > And also im totally guiltless (besides the toe stall > and clippers stall i do before every string) How Long are your average strings? Be honest. And Are those blurriests and other triple dexes part of long strings or are they one trick seal and drops? > So I think its safe to say im not a "newbie"...cool? No, not cool. You're a newbie until the majority elects you out of newbiism. Asking for non-newbie status only makes the process go slower. I should know, I've been shredding for 4 years and just when I think I'm about to be inducted into...uh...if you're not a newbie then what are you. Hey who started all this "newbie" club stuff anyway? How come no one even asked me if I wanted to be a newbie? I just started kicking one day and all of a sudden I'm neither new nor old. Gee thanks for including me in all of this. I'm a newbie, you're a newbie, he's a newbie, she's a newbie, wouldn't you like to be a newbie too? Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 28 11:30:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11415 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:30:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Josh Childs Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02024; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:06:02 -0800 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.69.1aab574 (6963); Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:05:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <69.1aab574.25ec20e3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:05:07 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] not a "newbie" anymore? To: brat@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 67 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 2/27/2000 9:34:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, brat@footbag.org writes: > You may be > hitting one or two hard tricks, but until you get to know other > players in the community, you're still a newbie to our community. > Which is not a bad thing, so don't sweat it. right on steve, i think i've been kicking 2.5 years now, and i'm still a newbe (in my mind). just gotta hang around everyone body that kicks whenever ya can, and go outa your way to just kick whenever ya can. Give me a a year and I would be a newbe (in my mind). My name is Josh Childs and i ride the small bus to school. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 28 11:31:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11425 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:31:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (mta@goldenseal.3rd-coast.com [209.79.28.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02467 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:26:46 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (c1008757-a.mckiny1.tx.home.com [24.7.100.246]) by goldenseal.3rd-coast.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with ESMTP id com; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:47:29 -0800 Message-ID: <38BACC40.821A491E@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 13:28:00 -0600 From: "Derric Scalf" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cam Barry CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] just hackin References: <200002262020.PAA58543@bleu.themail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Cam Barry wrote: >ive been wandering what all this deal is with stepping op? >i know thats supposed to be a "blurry set" but what does the blurry set intail? Blurry is a unique subset of stepping opposite side. Blurry requires paradox, so 'stepping opposite side mirage' could also be called a 'blurry mirage' (the common name for this move is blur). Likewise, 'stepping opposite side whirl' is called 'blurry whirl'. And, 'stepping opposite side blender' is called 'blurry blender' (the common name for this move is food processor). But, you can't say that all stepping opposite side moves are blurry. There are many moves that are stepping opposite side, but do not have the paradox required to be blurry. Some examples are 'stepping opposite side osis' (crispy torque), 'stepping opposite side reverse whirl', 'stepping opposite side butterfly' (crispy ripwalk), 'stepping opposite side dyno', etc. None of these moves have a paradox in them, so they can not be blurry. If you are asking yourself what paradox is, read Steve's tutorial on http://www.footbag.org/freestyle In summary, stepping opposite side includes all moves that start with a stepping set and are then followed by a move component (dex, del, whatever) on the opposite side of the body. Blurry is a specific subset that requires paradox. You can also think of blurry as 'stepping paradox'. Got it? Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 28 18:08:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12031 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:08:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f157.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03826 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:46:04 -0800 Received: (qmail 171 invoked by uid 0); 28 Feb 2000 20:45:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000228204533.170.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:45:33 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: derric@dallasfootbag.org, a00ace00a@themail.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] just hackin Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:45:33 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Blurry = stepping paradox. It's no more complicated than that. Stepping set followed by a paradox move. CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 28 18:09:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12041 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:09:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07245 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:03:34 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.cc.21fa103 (3949) for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:02:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:02:43 EST Subject: [freestyle] Dragon Stuff To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up everyone? Today I was hackin' with a friend and he did a dragon stall, and somehow did a hop over. After he did it he fell to the ground in pain but with one arm up showing his victory. Quite a funny sight. He is really good when it comes to dragon stall.. I still can't hit it. Now, if that trick doesn't have a name it really needs one. Whoever updates the footbag move list if you decide that this needs its own names I would personally go ask him a name of for it. -Evan "Skykicker" Edmondson P.S> WHat is it called where you go from a inside stall, letting it roll or popping it to toe stall, then to outside stall rolling or popping it. I think I read this somewhere, but I'm not sure. I looked under the discussion list and I can't find it. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 28 18:09:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12036 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:09:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06177 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:23:24 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.65.205d21f (3930) for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:22:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <65.205d21f.25ec4f38@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:22:48 EST Subject: [freestyle] Re; Just Hackin To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Cam wrote >>>ive been baggin alot lately and going on footbag.org alot and i getting to be a pretty good bagger for only like 4months and being only 12, Geez,I'm 14 and only been playin' since August. I thought I was young. Yo' man, youth rulz! ! ! =) Keep hackin' strong Evan "Skykicker" Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Feb 28 18:09:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12046 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:09:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f70.hotmail.com [209.185.131.133]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08163 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:45:33 -0800 Received: (qmail 87814 invoked by uid 0); 28 Feb 2000 23:45:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000228234502.87813.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.244.99.96 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:45:02 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.244.99.96] From: "Jaxon Stewart" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] ... Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:45:02 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It's been awhile since i've last been on the list or even checked my mail. I would just like to say that i'm pleased that it's still going strong. I have improved at my tricks but i still suck... I've gotten strong with my rip-walk but just my strong side. I just started to work on my left mirage's but it's pretty hurting. I can now hit a tourqe witch is swell. I'm really looking forward to hitting my first blurriest though. enough of the crap though. What do you shredd heads do when you first pick up that hack... I usually start with butterflys then osis's and I try and do some bigger tricks. p.s. what would you call a ?? toe set>same in> same in>spin>same clip. I think it's a five add move. and it would be my only one also. Jaxon with an x. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 29 10:03:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12828 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:03:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f215.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.215]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA26304 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:34:17 -0800 Received: (qmail 94108 invoked by uid 0); 29 Feb 2000 17:33:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000229173346.94107.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.137 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:33:46 PST X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.137] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] The German Freestyle Footbag Battle Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:33:46 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The German national Freestyle Championships took place Dec. 19th in Berlin and I finally got around to posting my photos along with a tournament report of sorts. You can see it all by going to http://members.xoom.com/NemesisDS and cliking on Multimedia, or for the lazy, to just see the pix go to http://members.xoom.com/NemesisDS/gffbgalleryi.html A lot of the pix are without caption, as I tend to forget names. If anyone could put names to the faces or finds any errors (miss-spellings aboud) please write me. Geeks beware I use frames. I'm slowly working on redoing my website without. Enjoy -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 29 18:19:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13374 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:19:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f77.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA32691 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:48:18 -0800 Received: (qmail 67048 invoked by uid 0); 29 Feb 2000 22:47:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000229224742.67047.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.44.222.109 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:47:42 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.44.222.109] From: "Brian Pihl" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, cloudriz@yahoo.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] not a "newbie" anymore? Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:47:42 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > I'm a newbie, you're a newbie, he's a newbie, she's a newbie, >wouldn't you like to be a newbie too? > > Brad I for one will be a newbie, cause all you old schoolers have to way hard tricks to shred. I,m just happy to try and learn from y'all. chicoKicker From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 29 18:19:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13373 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:19:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00728 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:03:47 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA188 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:03:46 -0800 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BF82C6.2D83A180@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:03:46 -0800 Message-ID: <01BF82C6.2D83A180@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] just hackin Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:03:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Blurry = Blur followed by another component It's as complicated as that.. ew that smell From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 29 19:21:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13443 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:21:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13440 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:21:16 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05840 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:19:23 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08685 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:17:45 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:19:57 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Worlds dates Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Are you guys happy now? Geez, like, show me some love here, folks. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 29 21:58:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13613 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:58:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f222.hotmail.com [216.32.181.222]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA07869 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:53:05 -0800 Received: (qmail 71431 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2000 05:52:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000301055234.71430.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.93.215.16 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:52:34 PST X-Originating-IP: [129.93.215.16] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:52:34 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org You're the man Steve. Seriously, I'm going to name my first kid after you. The poll idea was ingenious! Brian Mckenzie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Feb 29 21:58:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13612 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:58:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f201.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.201]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA07477 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:25:59 -0800 Received: (qmail 27006 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2000 05:25:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000301052528.27005.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.78.96.200 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:25:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.78.96.200] From: "Ara Bagdassarian" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] kicking it in atlanta Ga, USA Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:25:28 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up guys, I went to Atlanta today to kick it. I didn't have anybody to kick with in mind but just left it for the universe to provide me with some kickers. Sure enough when I got there, so some kickers. They were all beginners but I was fending to kick the bad. If anybody is in the Atlanta area and wants to kick it, Give me a shout-out keep on kicking Ara