From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 1 18:47:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15049 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:47:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07205 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:22:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 20:22:46 -0600 (CST) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: blazing In-Reply-To: <20000227050336.22416.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > > Sorry, 'Blazing' is taken for whirling opposite > side moves, like a blurry set but whirling. THus > far I've only hit blazing butterfly and blazing > mirage, and whirling butterfly (same side) and > whirling mirage (same side). > > Eli Piltz Have you tried whirling (same side) reverse whirl? I think it's a really cool rewind. whirling same side illusion is neat too. I'm gonna go kick for a little while and see if I can hit whirling-set same side whirling swirl, hehehe. That would be SICK. -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 1 18:47:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15054 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:47:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA11814 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:26:07 -0800 Received: (qmail 25485 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2000 01:26:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000302012606.25484.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.69] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:26:06 PST Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:26:06 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] our phattest shred session ever!!! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, Today me and Adam Mrosko had the very phatest shred session weve ever had. He hit a blur and tons of back to back ripwalks, and I sealed a badside blurriest and a badside blurry whirl. Anyway while we were sheddin', I tried a pdx blender and he mentioned a pdx dyno.. I told him it dident exist but I really dont know. Is a pdx dyno possible? Would it be considered pdx? Later, Jamez P.S. This wasent cool enough to post by itself but since im posting I might as well mention it. On mon. I hit ripwalk> dyno> pdx whirl like 10 times. I love that combo.. (NOT 10 times linked together) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 2 08:22:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16121 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:22:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 8092 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2000 15:39:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000302153914.8091.qmail@web2203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.236.196.21] by web2203.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 07:39:14 PST Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:39:14 -0800 (PST) From: Cory Current Subject: [freestyle] Shinsplints--Again To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Stylers, I remember some discussion about shinsplints a little while back, and I just ran across this on my yahoo news page today. Obviously, freestyle is quite different from walking or running, but hey, shinsplints are shinsplints, no matter how you get 'em. Hopefully, someone can benefit from this info. --x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--cut--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x Preventing Shinsplints by Terry King Q. I walk outside every day, and no matter what, the muscles in the front of my calf burn halfway through. I walk three miles in 40 minutes, and it slows me down somewhat when the burning starts. What am I doing wrong? A. Sounds like shinsplints. Shinsplint pain can be caused by the imbalance in strength between the calves and the shin muscles. The calves exert a powerful downward force on our feet. If they are overly tight, which they often are, the shin muscles (anterior tibialis) has to work even harder to elevate our forefeet to clear the ground. In your case, you are probably hammering yourself a little too hard. Three miles in 40 minutes is a 13:20 mile, or 4.5 miles per hour. That is some brisk walking pace, and you do that every day. Even Kenyan distance runners take some days off and have easier training sessions. You'll loosen up those tight calves if you take care to stretch them out. Stretching your calves Stand at arm's length from a wall with your feet together. Place both hands flat on the wall with your fingers pointing up and your arms straight. Now move your feet 6-12 inches farther away from the wall. Lean toward the wall while keeping your feet flat and your knees straight. Now you're stretching the larger, upper portion of your calves (gastrocnemius). To get a deeper stretch, bend one knee and bring one foot forward, and move the back knee further away from the wall. Make sure you keep your heel flat. Try this for 10-30 seconds, and then switch to the other leg. To stretch the lower portion of your calf muscles (soleus) as well as the upper portion, start with the same positioning. After the initial stretch, bend your knees and you'll feel the emphasis move down the back of your lower leg toward your Achilles tendon. All of these stretches should be done gently, without bouncing, for 10-30 seconds up to 3 times per stretch. Check your shoes for wear. If you're a runner, replace them every 500 miles or so. Even if your shoes' outsoles don't show signs of wear because you only use them in the gym, they still stretch, and the midsole (which provides the cushioning) breaks down over time. You lose their support and impact protection, and that can contribute to shinsplints too. Ice your shins after a workout and elevate your legs to aid blood flow out of the area and help avoid swelling. If the situation persists after you try stretching and buying new shoes, seek the help of a physical therapist or orthopedic surgeon. --x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x--x Anyone out there going to East Coast Regionals? Wulffy? Goldberg? Anyone know if Peter is still out East, and if he's still kicking? Hopefully, we'll see you there! -Cory "Ground Phlor" Current From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 2 21:55:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16951 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:55:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2005.mail.yahoo.com (web2005.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.205]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06381 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:44:41 -0800 Received: (qmail 16908 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2000 05:39:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000303053910.16907.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.162.211] by web2005.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 21:39:10 PST Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:39:10 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] (freestyle) re: blazing To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Phil wrote: ..Have you tried whirling (same side) reverse whirl? I think it's a really cool rewind. Nope, I don't do reverse whirls. ..whirling same side illusion is neat, too. Illusion? What's that? ..I'm gonna go kick for a little while and see if I can hit whirling-set same side whirling swirl, hehehe. That would be SICK. Indeed. Whirling whirl would be sick as it is; whirling blender, whirling torque, whirling drifter, whirling dlo, whirling burrage, whirling barroque. -Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 3 22:14:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18325 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:14:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f121.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.121]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA07966 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:05:29 -0800 Received: (qmail 65394 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2000 05:04:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000304050447.65393.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.61 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:04:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.61] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] improvement update Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 00:04:47 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hi all, just to share with the community, last week i hit my first atom smasher (and continuing to hit them every once in a while). just now i hit my first real 4add (other than the unsealed ducking butterflies) -- ps mirage! YaY! :) does seal imply a 3add after? i think so.. just wanted to verify. also, after four months of skooling clippers and getting nowhere, they are coming stronger with every day. never stop skooling! later all! mmmm... it's getting warmer and warmer outside =) Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 4 10:33:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19008 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:33:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16983 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:24:03 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.43.1b2b5ea (3702) for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:23:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43.1b2b5ea.25f2927e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:23:26 EST Subject: [freestyle] Ripwalk To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I'm workin on my ripwalks right now, and I can hit them in strings *I think*... how far up does the bag have to come between the first and second dex? Mine is coming up to about the top of my thighs, but no higher. Where should it be for a good solid ripwalk? Also, I hit a new trick (wheeee! ;) ) inside (as opposed to toe)>opp i-o>opp i-o>same inside Anyone know the name? Thanks Mucho, Matthew Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 4 21:05:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20793 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:05:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f238.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.238]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27456 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:59:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 55184 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2000 04:59:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000305045901.55183.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.132.70.142 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 20:59:01 PST X-Originating-IP: [130.132.70.142] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: MatthewL329@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ripwalk Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:59:01 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Matt Cross asked: > I'm workin on my ripwalks right now, and I can hit them in strings *I >think*... how far up does the bag have to come between the first and >second >dex? There are two accepted ways of doing ripwalks, and the height can vary to a very high degree.Ripwalk, as the name would indicate, was first hit by Rippin' Rick Reese. He sets his very low, but gets both dexes clean. To do a ripwalk this way, yo u have to be fast, since the set is really low. The other way people do ripwalks, is by using a pronounced blurry set, followed by a butterfly.The height of your set can be anywhere from knee height to above your head. The higher the set and the more the move looks like Set followed by a Butterfly, the less likely someone will call you for jaywalking. Matt also asked about this move: >inside (as opposed to toe)>opp i-o>opp i-o>same inside >Anyone know the name? This would be a reverse eggbeater set from an inside and ending in an inside. Very phat, Peter Irish does a lot of crazy reverse eggbeater stuff, but I don't know what he calls them. I'll ask him in Philly. In the credits to Rye shred, Peter hits clipper set reverse eggbeater to toe set reverse eggbeater. Ken CF Somolinos PS- The Montreal boys haven't updated their tournament page in years, so I feel it is my duty to inform the world at large that Freestyle WILL be offered at the Winter Windchill tournament. I know this was a major factor in my decisio n to go, i hope it will help others. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 6 15:48:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23303 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:48:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from viper.columbus.rr.com (viper.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.254]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06695 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:40:48 -0800 Received: from alaska (dhcp31186007.columbus.rr.com [24.31.186.7]) by viper.columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA29052 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:40:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007c01bf87c5$4c9678a0$07ba1f18@alaska> Reply-To: "Vern DeHaven" From: "Vern DeHaven" To: Subject: [freestyle] It's gotta be the shoes Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:40:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey kids... These guys have too cool a name not to post: .rod laver For those of you into the heavier side of music... Peace, Vern ----------------------------------------------------- Artist Review: .rod laver Hometown: Los Angeles, CA, US Hard low end, crushing guitars, tight rhythms and shouted raps come together with ferocity. Raw anger and intensity from Los Angeles. Track to download: http://www.listen.com/artdetail.jsp?artistid=7280&src=email Franconia Road ----------------------------------------------------- From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 7 17:04:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24756 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:04:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19672 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:31:37 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.ca.2821a41 (10011) for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:30:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:30:56 EST Subject: [freestyle] Ripwalk To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've been hittin' ripwalks lately. I just now got around to writin' about it. Well, my first 2 Dex trick. Also I got a witness I'm hittin' them right. -evan edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 7 17:04:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24762 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:04:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f103.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.103]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22378 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:59:01 -0800 Received: (qmail 16932 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2000 00:58:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000308005830.16931.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.24.153.90 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:58:30 PST X-Originating-IP: [24.24.153.90] From: "Daniel Lamb" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] help with a trick Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:58:30 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am more of a beginner. I can do hacky sack pretty good. My top is 71 times. I can do like a clipper and a dragonfly kick and some stalls. But I am having trouble with a trick. I am not sure exactly what it is called, but I think it is called around the world. It is were the ball is in the air and your leg goes around it. Well how do you get good at it, I know you have to practice. But I can't get my leg to go fast enough. Also do you have anything that will help me a lot with tricks. I want to learn some of the easier ones first. Thanks, MrFrog38 From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 9 21:57:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27804 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:57:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19493 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:36:15 -0800 Received: from magic.excite.com ([199.172.148.161]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with ESMTP id <20000310053503.UJNC19768.kuku.excite.com@magic.excite.com> for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:35:03 -0800 Message-ID: <11133964.952666503618.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:35:03 -0800 (PST) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle in Montreal? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 24.200.136.110 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bonjour! Hello! (Wow! A bilingual intro!) Sharpen your blades dear stylers because a freestyle competition will be held during the Windchill Tournament (April 1-2, Montreal, Qc, Can). You may have seen on footbag.org that freestyle was going to be held if interest was shown (the info will be changed on footbag.org shortly). We spoke with the tournament directors here in Montreal. Sebastien Duchesne and I will be in charge of the freestyle competiton. We already have 3 open competitors and a lot of intermediate players entering the tournament. Entry fee is 20$CAN (about 14$US) for intermediate players and 30$CAN (about 21$US) for open competitors. We do not have a registration form online so just send me an e-mail if you're planning on attending so we will know how many players to expect. Finally... If you need a place to stay at in Montreal for the week-end you can crash at one of the local stylers' place. Need more info? Drop me a line or give me a call. -Yacine : (514) 523-3375 or yax@footbag.org P.S.: See you in Philly! _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 13 13:53:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32197 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:53:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f214.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.214]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02017 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:56:48 -0800 Received: (qmail 44912 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2000 07:07:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000313070748.44911.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:07:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Go to tournaments! Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 02:07:48 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, The main purpose of this e-mail is to get all the unmotivated East Coast shredders to hit the upcoming EC tournaments. The Philly Open should be a blast, with World Class (read: World Champions) talent appearing both in the freestyle and net disciplines. There should be some good NYC freestyle representation going on, and even some Montreal shred is making their way down. The point being, come to the tournament and make some friends, get very impressed, put some faces to the names on this list, and show off your skills. Thaw out them blades and drop by the weekend of the 25th. Also, the Montreal Winter Windchill is happening the next weekend, and should also be a blast. In case you've never been there, Montreal is a really nice town, with nice freestylers and awesome net action. Even if you aren't that into net, you should come just to see the pros have at it, it's really impressive to watch. The local freestylers have improved a lot and are really nice, even if you have to regulate a bit to stop the self-hacking. : D For those youngbloods who still aren't convinced: the legal age for everything in Montreal is 18. Not that I'm encouraging anything, just saying is all. So there, if this e-mail motivates even one shredder into investing the energy of making a trip out to one of these tournaments, then my mission is accomplished. Tournaments are great; I was first exposed to freestyle footbag at a tournament, I first played net at a tournament, I always make friends at tournaments, I always learn a new move(s) at tournaments, and most importantly: I always have fun at tournaments. So try and make it to one, you'll be glad you came. See y'all there. Ken CF Somolinos PS-just to sneak in one freestyle question/comment: If symposium butterfly (Darryl and Rippin' do these) is worth 4 "adds," then shouldn't Da Da Curve be worth an extra "add" because it's the same exact move + a dex? Kinda like PS Whirl vs. Symposium blurry whirl? Whoops, didn't mean to bring up a parallel which illustrates the arbitrary lack of a symposium "add" in Da Da Curve. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 13 13:53:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32206 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:53:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22656 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:15:52 -0800 Received: (qmail 3369 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2000 22:15:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000312221539.3368.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.133] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:15:39 PST Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:15:39 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] eggbeater record? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey everyone, I was just wondering....whats up with the eggbeater record being only 6???? The symposium eggbeater record is actually more than the regular eggbeater. hehe I finally hit a flurry(badside(cant hit it goodside yet))....and a smog with shoes....and increased my personal ripwalk record by one to make it 15 since the last time i posted..... later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 13 13:53:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32207 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:53:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00733 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:10:22 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.45.191e271 (3954) for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:27:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <45.191e271.25fdba0f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 22:27:11 EST Subject: [freestyle] A Penduluming Spinning Butterfly Swirl? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 66 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up everyone! I have been doing Pendulums lately and I started thinking while watching T.V. What if one was to do a pendulum. Ok, thats easy. Now spin. Ok, that would be tricky. Think if one could do that perfect, and still have time to a few extra stuff. I started thinking about that question, and recalled seeing a video I downloaded not to long ago of some guy called Ryan Mulroney, =) and I some him do like butterfly swirl. Would that be the coolest thing if one could do a Prendulum Spinning Butterfly Swirl? I just thought I spark a conversation on the list. Oh, and on a note, I did not hit this trick. give me a few years though, =) -Evan "Skykicker" Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 14 11:48:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01029 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:48:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (mx1.magmacom.com [206.191.0.217]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19838 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:13:20 -0800 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05043 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave (port-4-241.magma.ca [206.191.1.241]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA05820 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:24:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003d01bf8d4b$754b5c80$0b01010a@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Go to tournaments! Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:23:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >So there, if this e-mail motivates even one shredder into investing the >energy of making a trip out to one of these tournaments, then my mission is >accomplished. Congrats, your mission is accomplished. I need a spark to get me back into practicing, and Montreal is just a hop, dex, and a jump away. I will see you there! Go Ken go! :) Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 14 11:57:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01045 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:57:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24896 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:10:13 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FRE00701F04M4@clem.mscd.edu> for Freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:21:40 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:21:40 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Re: Ken's PS... Go to tournaments In-reply-to: <20000313070748.44911.qmail@hotmail.com> To: KeN Somolinos Cc: Freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, KeN Somolinos wrote: > PS-just to sneak in one freestyle question/comment: > If symposium butterfly (Darryl and Rippin' do these) is worth 4 "adds," then > shouldn't Da Da Curve be worth an extra "add" because it's the same exact > move + a dex? Kinda like PS Whirl vs. Symposium blurry whirl? Whoops, > didn't mean to bring up a parallel which illustrates the arbitrary lack of a > symposium "add" in Da Da Curve. Uh... adds? I thought they didn't exist. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 14 11:57:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01050 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:57:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f131.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.131]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA02019 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:01:52 -0800 Received: (qmail 69961 invoked by uid 0); 14 Mar 2000 19:12:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000314191249.69960.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.71 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:12:49 PST X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.71] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Inspiration and Jan Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:12:49 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org For those who understand German you can read all about German Champion Jan Zimmerman and Planet Footbag's TV apearance in Zurich at http://www.kompressor.ch/frameset/index.htm And so long as I'm talking about Jan I just got back from Zurich visiting him. I cann't explain how nice it was to kick with advanced freestylers again. Since I missed out on the whole inspiration (sp?) thread a while back my best combo was blurry whirl>flapper>whirl>paradox drifter I also remember at one point Jan hit like 7 mid run ripwalks ending in a blur, siemlich geil. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 15 14:25:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02483 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:25:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (pilot010.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25916 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:08:26 -0800 Received: from pilot.msu.edu (keithada.user.msu.edu [35.10.19.108]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA23268; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:19:44 -0500 Message-ID: <38CFD468.41D990A7@pilot.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:20:25 -0500 From: Adam Keith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KeN Somolinos , Footbag Freestyle mailing list Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symp in Da Da Curve References: <20000313070748.44911.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org KeN Somolinos wrote: > PS-just to sneak in one freestyle question/comment: > If symposium butterfly (Darryl and Rippin' do these) is worth 4 "adds," then > shouldn't Da Da Curve be worth an extra "add" because it's the same exact > move + a dex? Kinda like PS Whirl vs. Symposium blurry whirl? Whoops, > didn't mean to bring up a parallel which illustrates the arbitrary lack of a > symposium "add" in Da Da Curve. I think this is due to the idea that only moves that have a dex that completes a full circle around the bag can earn symposium adds. For example, mirage from a toe set can be symposium, but not from a clip. Butterfly from clip set to same clip can have one as well. Da da curve doesn't get one because it only passes behind each of the legs completing the dex (frontside symposium toe ripwalk (toe > (no plant while) op in [bod][dex] > op out [dex] > op clip [xbd][del]) might be a novel idea, although it might not be considered a ripwalk). Adam Keith From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 15 14:25:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02488 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:25:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26427 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:42:49 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.a7.23dac26 (9651) for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:54:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:54:17 EST Subject: [freestyle] Windchill To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Me and my friend mike are looking for floor space for the weekend of the Windchill tourney in montreal. We're both well mannered, well cleaned, friendly pacifists, so we're not going to screw up your house or apartment. Please get back to me ASAP. Thanks alot. Matt Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 15 14:24:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02475 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:24:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA03850 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:11:36 -0800 Received: (qmail 23341 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2000 20:22:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000314202246.23340.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.42] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:22:46 PST Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:22:46 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] blurriest To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup Everyone, Has anyone ever hit 2 blurriest? Im working on this one. I can hit blurriest both sides but I can't link one to the other. Right now Im trying to get a real solid blurriest so I can hit A ripwalk right after it...After I get that it shouldent be so hard.. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 15 14:25:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02493 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:25:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA32518 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:22:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 13783 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2000 21:33:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000315213345.13782.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.14] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:33:45 PST Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:33:45 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] footbag festival To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone was going to the footbag festival in Burlington Iowa... I could definatly make it there but i wanna know that im not waisting my time....thanx Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 15 16:01:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02633 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:01:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net (mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net [198.209.253.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05698 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:52:41 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (mail.mlerf.org [207.160.174.60]) by mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02814 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:52:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: [freestyle] Cool Shoelaces Message-Id: <000001575393036009131@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:52:10 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 3.2.1 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org (Freestyle Listserve) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org They claim that they are having a contest for "...the most unique way of using our Plasma Laces!" Seems like footbag would be, er, a 'shoe-in'. ______________________________________ Derrick Fogle Foundation Computing Services Missouri Lions Eye Research Foundation Heartland Lions Eye Banks From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 17 00:18:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04529 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:18:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f267.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.148.145]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA08539 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:38:51 -0800 Received: (qmail 51576 invoked by uid 0); 16 Mar 2000 01:38:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000316013820.51575.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.78.46.107 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:38:20 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.78.46.107] From: "Ara Bagdassarian" To: footbug@hotmail.com, Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Go to tournaments! Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:38:20 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org You could count me in on the Philly open. It's on my way to New York coming from Georgia. It's awsome to shred it with my fellow kickers and where better than the philly open. Keep on kicking Ara From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 17 00:23:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04544 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:23:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09214 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:00:16 -0800 Received: from storefull-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.241]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id A45A34BC3; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id RAA03394; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:58:10 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRS3kMjpCtpUr1bZ0+x1+6h2DpYCAIUMF+Zg3JBB7/VruruuV9oFT9VOP0= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:58:10 -0500 (EST) To: keithada@pilot.msu.edu (Adam Keith) Cc: footbug@hotmail.com (KeN Somolinos), Freestyle@footbag.org (Footbag Freestyle mailing list) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symp in Da Da Curve Message-ID: <29471-38D03FB2-2056@storefull-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Adam Keith 's message of Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:20:25 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Adam wrote; >For example, mirage from a toe set can >be symposium, but not from a clip. Is ths true ? 'Cause I'd still give ya the symposium component if you set it from your clip. Otherwise it's just a regular mirage, which it isn't! GFSmoothie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 17 00:23:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04554 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:23:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Message-ID: <20000316212535.13636.qmail@web2206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.236.196.21] by web2206.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:25:35 PST Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:25:35 -0800 (PST) From: cory current Subject: [freestyle] footbag festival------IOWA JAM To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Cc: cloudriz@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Jamez and all, > I was just wondering if anyone was going to the > footbag festival in Burlington Iowa... I could > definatly make it there but i wanna know that im not > waisting my time....thanx I was working (advising) with the 'organizer' for that event, trying to get it more 'official' and such, and I'm not sure that it's still happening. You may want to mail him up and ask. (I can get his email if you need it, just let me know.) However, at some point in June (I'm still waiting for other tournament dates), I will be holding the 'Fifth Annual Iowa Jam'. this is a yearly 'event' that I host, similarly modeled after the 'Beaver Open'. It's about an hour north of the quad-cities (Davenport/Rock Island/Moline), about 7 miles outside a small town called Maquoketa, IA. I hold it on private farmland (friends of mine), out in the middle of the country, deep into their land, down in an open clearing in a beatiful valley next to a small creek. (in other words, it's a pretty secluded place, far away from any danger or authoratative figures). It's an entire weekend/camping outing, with no official competition or entry fees. Just a lot of good footbag friends, hanging out, partying really hard, kicking when you feel the urge. Camping, drum circles, bonfires, just an overall great weekend of getting back to nature. The first year I held it, I organized a band, that played around midnight on Saturday, out in the middle of an open field under the canopy of crystal-clear stars above. There were probably close to 150++ people. It was a blast!! Anyway, enough of my babbling. If anyone wants more info about it, feel free to give me a yell. I'll post dates here once I finalize. take care, Cory 'Ground Phlor' Current From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 17 00:23:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04564 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:23:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26882 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:57:46 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FRJ00N01BO891@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:57:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:57:44 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Tournament idea/routine question To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Here's me question about routines. If you catch the bag in your mouth is it considered an unusual surface delay, or maybe a presentaion score thing, or just a no point/no penalty deliberate catch. I'm not asking for opinions really, I'm asking for the real deal from people who have judged this before. Now my idea. Something that kind of bugged me about competing intermediate last year was that it is never a prize money event. Usually the cost of entering intermediate is a little less than entering open. My suggestion is to raise the price by $5 or so in the intermediate levels and use that collective money to be the cash prize for intermediate events. This will not take away from the money being allocated to the open prize money and may entice more intermediate players to compete. As it is I don't think the entry fee to intermediate events is terribly expensive. I realize this could have the negative effect as well as some people might feel the price to compete IS to high. I also think it should be done at some of the larger tournaments since they draw more competitors. It would also be up to the individual Tournament Directors as to whether or not they even want to do it. What do you all think? Especially those of you who will be competing intermediate this year. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 17 00:48:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04599 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:48:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04596 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:48:02 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06186 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:45:14 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08706 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:42:46 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:44:48 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Tournament idea/routine question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 2:57 PM -0700 3/16/00, Brad Kaplan wrote: > Here's me question about routines. If you catch the bag in your >mouth is it considered an unusual surface delay, or maybe a presentaion >score thing, or just a no point/no penalty deliberate catch. I'm not >asking for opinions really, I'm asking for the real deal from people who >have judged this before. As described in the IFC rulebook , any upper-body contact is considered an "unusual surface". NOTE: this does *not* mean "unusual surface delay" as you wrote above. A "delay" is a separate add category. So, a mouth stall, and for that matter any upper body unusual surface contact, is only *1* add: unusual surface. A "delay" can only be performed with your lower body. So lap catches all the way down to sole delays are actual unusual surface delays (2 adds). I hope this explanation makes sense. It's what I've been instructing judges every year at the judging clinic at Worlds. > Now my idea. Something that kind of bugged me about competing >intermediate last year was that it is never a prize money event. Usually >the cost of entering intermediate is a little less than entering open. My >suggestion is to raise the price by $5 or so in the intermediate levels >and use that collective money to be the cash prize for intermediate >events. This will not take away from the money being allocated to the >open prize money and may entice more intermediate players to compete. As >it is I don't think the entry fee to intermediate events is terribly >expensive. Entry fee is *not* directly correlated to prize money -- or at least, it's not supposed to be. You pay an entry fee because you want to participate in the tournament, and it has value for you, not because you are putting money into a betting pool (where you're betting that you will win). Please separate prize money from entry fees in your mind. Worlds is also a special case. It's the only tournament that actually does it right (in my opinion) -- and so this paragraph is about *worlds*. The next paragraph is about non-worlds events. For worlds, the extra fee is for *professional* players. It is not the assumption that open players are professional because Worlds is a semi-professional, open competition. So, you can register "open" at worlds and still not be eligible for prize money. The only way you can win prize money at worlds is to place in an open event *and* pay the "professional" entry fee. The idea being that most players at Worlds are actually amateurs, and are competing for the prestige of getting a ranking against the top players in the sport, and not to win money. The idea behind the "professional" category is that players who truly believe they're good enough to make it to the "show" (semi-finals and finals) can get sponsorships, and plan to make money from competing (not that many people actually break even :-)). In that case, we charge a higher fee because they are "funded" as opposed to most players who are amateur and self-funded. If a player chooses to risk the "pro" entry fee without sponsorship, it's their choice, but not something that's in any way required by the tournament organizers for the player to get access to the best competition on the planet. It simply wouldn't make sense to apply this logic to the intermediate players. All other tournaments are too small for any more prize money than they already give out. Do the math -- if you actually took entry fees for intermediate players (even if you add $10 to $15 per player), you don't end up with *that* much cash. Trust me -- I run Western Regionals every year, and every year I pay about $2-$3000 out of my pocket. Sure, my event's more expensive than most (I have to rent porta-potties, hire a DJ, rent a generator, rent bleachers, rent tables and chairs, and much more), but even so, the incremental dollars from raising registration fees for intermediate would still not generate a very useful purse when split across 1st-3rd place in all the intermediate events (singles net, doubles net, singles freestyle -- that's 12 prizes). But even if it did work out to something of value, it just doesn't make sense. There's no motivation for a tournament organizer to throw cash money at intermediate players. The idea is to lower the entry fees as an incentive for intermediate players to attend the events -- anything more (giving money away) is just plain bad financial planning. ("... But we make it up in volume." :-)) > I realize this could have the negative effect as well as some people >might feel the price to compete IS to high. Is this sport really about money? Most sports give out trophies and that's the end of it (and people are happy with that). I don't know why people think prize money is so important in this sport except at the top levels where it helps to validate the sport and attracts the absolute best players to compete and showcase the sport in a public venue (which is what the pro competition at Worlds is all about). We're not running a mutual betting operation. If you want money, play poker. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 17 14:19:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05383 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:19:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f91.hotmail.com [216.32.181.91]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17987 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:51:18 -0800 Received: (qmail 15363 invoked by uid 0); 17 Mar 2000 19:50:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000317195047.15362.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.193.132 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:50:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [142.177.193.132] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Laver Milleniums Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:50:47 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, I have just joined this list, but I was just wondering if anyone had used/seen the new Laver's yet, the Millenium Lavers. If you have please give me any feedback or information you may have on them. Thanks. Cole Hobson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 18 11:26:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06443 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:26:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f78.hotmail.com [209.185.131.141]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA29662 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 02:22:01 -0800 Received: (qmail 25508 invoked by uid 0); 18 Mar 2000 10:21:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000318102131.25507.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.204.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 02:21:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.163.204.201] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver Milleniums Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 02:21:31 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, i recently purchased a pair of laver milleniums and am very happy with them. They have much better cushioning are lighter and just plain fit "my" feet better. I didnt even have to change the insole! Just carefefully tear out the cushioning on the instep and toe, and a couple of beads of shoe goo across the divot in the insole and youre all set! now when i play in my old lavers I dont like them anymore. later, Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 18 12:05:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06481 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:05:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f157.hotmail.com [216.32.181.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA05611 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:48:44 -0800 Received: (qmail 40259 invoked by uid 0); 18 Mar 2000 19:48:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000318194813.40258.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.199.219 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:48:13 PST X-Originating-IP: [142.177.199.219] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver Milleniums Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:48:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello All, Yeah, I went to the store today, to buy some shoes, and I was looking for good freestyle shoes. I saw the Laver Milleniums and I was planning on maybe buying them, but to me they looked very ugly!! They didn't look very visually pleasing at all, so I immediately went in another direction. Is it just me, or do these shoes look odd, and look nothing like the originals (at least the picture of the originals at the Footmart site) I may have been looking at the wrong shoes, but to me they didn't at all look like the original Lavers and I was disapointed... Anyway, I ended up buying some shoes called Adidas Maleev's, they seem pretty decent for Footbag, but I can't really be sure, since I've never played with Lavers, so I have nothing to base it against. So, if anyone has ever seen these shoes, or has ever played in them, please let me know what you think of them .. If not, just reply to this anyway, to tell me what you think of the other stuff I said, see ya later! Sincerely, Cole From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 18 12:11:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06496 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:11:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06493 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:11:56 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06018 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:09:04 -0800 Received: from [206.67.46.8] (brat1.atext.com [206.67.46.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27997 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:06:34 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000318194813.40258.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000318194813.40258.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:08:48 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver Millenniums Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 7:48 PM +0000 3/18/00, Cole Hobson wrote: >I saw the Laver Milleniums and I was planning on maybe buying them, >but to me they looked very ugly!! Ugly is cool in the '00's. Anyway, if you spent all that time doing due diligence on which shoes to buy, and then ignored the recommendations of the top players in the world, I guess it was a waste of everyone's time. Return to the Maleevs and get the Lavers. Now, before it's too late. :-) The other thing to note is that utility becomes fashion. You may think the shoes are ugly, but they *do the job*. It's like saying you won't wear those ugly gymnastics outfits when because they're not something you'd wear in public, so you do gymnastics in Levi's. If you're interested in learning how to play, you'll overcome your fear of looking like a geek. :-) Either way, the reality is that what you think is ugly, if worn with pride, becomes dope. Just ask El Dopo, the kind of thrift store clothes, Ryan Mulroney. :-) Steve P.S. Millennium has two l's and two m's: millennium. :-) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 18 12:24:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06544 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:24:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f232.hotmail.com [209.185.131.49]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06188 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:17:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 27495 invoked by uid 0); 18 Mar 2000 20:17:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000318201716.27494.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.195.23 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:17:16 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.188.195.23] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver Milleniums Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:17:16 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org whats up cole, when i got my ugly laver milleniums I also bought a stylish pair of addidas nastase millenniums- they are the exact shoe as the laver but instead of glow in the dark mesh they are leather with 3 blue addidas stripes on the side, they work pretty well for freestyle except for some reason I have a hard time doing fairy sets with them. Later, Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 18 19:32:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07195 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:32:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07439 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:47:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 24321 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2000 21:47:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000318214731.24320.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.126.101.250] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:47:31 PST Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:47:31 -0800 (PST) From: Ermo Naarits Subject: [freestyle] blurry moves To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, I'm having a problem with blurry: Ican't get my support leg over the footbag before it reaches its maximum hight. Can anyone help me? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Mar 19 02:07:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07411 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 02:07:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f85.hotmail.com [216.32.181.85]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08976 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:58:20 -0800 Received: (qmail 76241 invoked by uid 0); 18 Mar 2000 23:57:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000318235749.76240.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.199.219 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:57:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [142.177.199.219] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver Millenniums Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:57:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve Goldberg wrote: >Anyway, if you spent all that time doing due diligence on which >shoes to buy, and then ignored the recommendations of the top players in the >world, I guess it was a waste of everyone's time. Return the >Maleevs and get the Lavers. Now, before it's too late. :-) I don't think I will return the Maleev's, because, they seem pretty decent. The toe is really nice, the insteps and outsteps are quite nice and it seems decent. I just have to explain one thing though. Unlike most of the people on here I bet, I am not an adult yet, I am only 16 years old, and I have only just begun to think of freestyle footbag as a serious sport that I love. So, when I go out to buy shoes, it is not my money being spent, it is coming from my mother. Also, the shoes I buy are not solely for freestyle, they are for day to day use as well. I don't know if you elite freestylers use your Laver shoes for day to day, but I'm guessing you don't. So, when I bought my shoes today, I looked for shoes that would be okay for day to day wear, plus that wouldn't be completely miserable when I *try* to shred it up (hehe). So, believe me, once I raise my skill level, and really zero in on my skills with an average pair of shoes, I will, buy myself a pair of Rod Laver's (the originals) because for one, I have been told they are the best, and two, they don't look half bad either! (Not that I would care, because I'd only be using them for freestyle). And another reason I didn't buy the Millennium's is because I started hearing that they weren't all that good after all. People saying that they had the cut away instep, and that they weren't good for clippers and inside delays. I also emailed the guys at WFA, and asked them, and they said the pros who looked at them in depth noticed that they had a heavier mesh, and also had the cut away instep, and that they were not "Da Kind." So, I decided to try something new ... So, I hope I have cleared this up ... Okay, I am done with that rant, sorry for bothering ppl so much about this, but I just have some other questions ... First of all, what is shoe goo, and what does it do? And second, what is a guiltless contact? ( I think I know, but I'm not sure) And lastly, what is a guiltless add? (I know what an add is, just want to know what adding the word guiltless does to it) Thanks everybody, Cole From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Mar 19 11:57:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08036 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:57:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1302.mail.yahoo.com (web1302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.152]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA19572 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 06:34:04 -0800 Received: (qmail 8169 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2000 14:34:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000319143403.8168.qmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.101.52.34] by web1302.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 06:34:03 PST Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 06:34:03 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Long Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver Millenniums To: Cole Hobson , freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > I don't think I will return the Maleev's, because, > they seem pretty decent. If you were serious about your love for freestyle you would not simply settle for "decent" shoes. I don't know if you > elite freestylers use > your Laver shoes for day to day, but I'm guessing > you don't. I wear my Lavers with pride almost everywhere I go, as I am sure many freestylers would. I have added a pen barrell to the toe area of the shoes so as to widen the landing deck. When I am in McDonalds or at the bus stop they often produce expressions of confusion. Its funny to see people's reactions. Some dude at the train station said it looked like I had prosthetic legs. Ironically my pen barrell enhanced lavers have been a wonderful tool for conversation with chicks at parties. Ha, Ha So, believe me, once I raise my skill > level, and really zero in on > my skills with an average pair of shoes, I will, buy > myself a pair of Rod > Laver's Why waste your time with half assed shoes when you could be shredding in lavers. I used a pair of DC skate shoes for several months and thought I was progressing at a reasonable rate. As soon as I got lavers my strings basically doubled in length, not because I had improved but because toe stalls and clippers were no longer a 50% hit and miss affair. I was not so easily frustrated and more importantly I was having way more fun. > First of all, what is shoe goo, and what does it do? By the way, shoo goo (basically a form of silicone to fix shoes) is sweet for footbag repairs as it is so flexible. Michael Longano P.S I must admit Rod Laver's have a special significance to me as I am an Australian. Have any freestylers over in the US seriously thought about mass producing purpose built footbag shoes. It would be awesome if each pro had their own model and you could go and buy a pair of "Rick Reeses" or "Brian McKenzies", like you can with skate shoes. ($$$) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Mar 19 14:51:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08185 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:51:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ux4.isu.edu (mta@ux4.isu.edu [134.50.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25898 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:23:42 -0800 Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.103.12]) by ux4.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA373A for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:25:20 -0700 Message-ID: <38D55415.1C137BD1@isu.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:26:29 -0700 From: Bob Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: [freestyle] San Fran shredding Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org San Fran Shredders, I will be coming into town next Saturday (the 25th) for a chemistry conference, and will be there until the 29th. I would be really down for shredding with all of ya on the 25th if possible, and maybe once more on the 27th or 28th. I can't kick as much as I would like, but I am supposed to be down there for chemistry....not footbag. So with that said, are any of you interested in shredding with me? If so, email me so we can figure out where to meet and such. Hope to shred with ya all soon, Bob From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 20 20:22:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09847 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:22:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f18.hotmail.com [216.32.181.18]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14160 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:50:17 -0800 Received: (qmail 66885 invoked by uid 0); 20 Mar 2000 20:49:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000320204946.66884.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.93.198.34 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:49:46 PST X-Originating-IP: [129.93.198.34] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:49:46 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up shredders? I was just wondering what the scoop was on a shred contest at worlds this year. Also, is there going to be a New York tourney any time this year? Some people write in about the tricks they are hitting. I'm writing in about the tricks I'm not hitting. I am very out of practice right now, plagued with injuries and time constraints, but I hope to have more time to shred soon. Happy shredding to all. Brian "Kamikenzie" Mckenzie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 20 20:24:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09857 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:24:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f132.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.132]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA14974 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:34:45 -0800 Received: (qmail 68810 invoked by uid 0); 20 Mar 2000 21:34:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000320213414.68809.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:34:14 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Kickers in Hawaii...?? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:34:14 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Stylers, IF YOU ARE NOT FROM HAWAII OR YOU DONT KNOW ANY KICKERS THERE, DELETE THIS IMMEDIATELY--IT ISNT INTERESTING IN THE LEAST. Just wandering if there were any kickers from Hawaii here on the list. If so, two things... 1. If you are from there, register with footbag worldwide so we can find you. 2. I will be there in a couple weeks, so please e-mail me soon and we can get together and kick. Thanks, Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 20 20:24:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09867 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:24:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from jsisfomg.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21592 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:10:48 -0800 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by jsisfomg.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:08:28 -0800 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BF9297.AC2FE440@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:11:11 -0800 Message-ID: <01BF9297.AC2FE440@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] symposium? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:09:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adam wrote... >For example, mirage from a toe set can be symposium, but not from a >clip. Insanity... Crazy Even... A mirage can be symposium from either set... any set even... Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 20 21:34:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09923 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:34:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26770 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:28:23 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FRR00601B78Q7@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:28:20 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:28:19 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] blurry moves In-reply-to: <20000318214731.24320.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> To: Ermo Naarits Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Ermo Naarits wrote: > Hi, I'm having a problem with blurry: Ican't get my > support leg over the footbag before it reaches its > maximum hight. > Can anyone help me? Try doing a bit of a pulling through motion when you are setting the bag. Instead of setting it straight up, pull it inside a little bit to give your support leg that extra bit of space. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 20 22:17:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09980 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:17:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27171 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:11:01 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FRR00801D6BXB@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:10:59 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:10:58 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver Millenniums In-reply-to: <20000318235749.76240.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Cole Hobson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Cole Hobson wrote: > I don't think I will return the Maleev's, because, they seem pretty decent. > The toe is really nice, the insteps and outsteps are quite nice and it seems > decent. Are they Meshed like the Lavers? > when I go out to buy shoes, it is not my money being spent, it is coming > from my mother. Yeah but I bet she'd buy you whichever ones you picked out. Also, the shoes I buy are not solely for freestyle, they > are for day to day use as well. I don't know if you elite freestylers use > your Laver shoes for day to day, but I'm guessing you don't. Well you guessed wrong my friend. I wouldn't say I'm "Elite", but I have worn my Lavers damn near every day for 3 years. And I wear them cut up and UGLY, with bright blue strings even. And with that one exception I consider myself to be a fashionable kinda guy. It's all about sacrifice son. > (hehe). So, believe me, once I raise my skill level, and really zero in on > my skills with an average pair of shoes, I will, buy myself a pair of Rod > Laver's (the originals) because for one, I have been told they are the best, > and two, they don't look half bad either! Yes, sooner or later they all see the light. Except the Teva kickers. But a lot of them ROCK anyway. > And another reason I didn't buy the Millennium's is because I started > hearing that they weren't all that good after all. People saying that they > had the cut away instep, and that they weren't good for clippers and inside > delays. I also emailed the guys at WFA, and asked them, and they said the > pros who looked at them in depth noticed that they had a heavier mesh, and > also had the cut away instep, and that they were not "Da Kind." So, I > decided to try something new ... So, I hope I have cleared this up ... Okay now I shall truly address the Millennium Lavers. I finally found a pair in my size two days ago and cut them up right away. I put goo on the instep about ten minutes ago. Now I only got a brief play with them the first day and will be using them in full swing on Wednesday. For a while I wasn't sure If I'd even buy them because I had tried them on and they seemed a lot puffier than the old style, then I saw Big Add Chad wearing them at the Shred Symposium and they didn't look so huge. (we're both tall and wear big shoes) So I bought a pair to see what I could see. I began cutting away the canvas on the inside and found that the puffyness came from a thin layer of foam that was between the canvas and the nylon mesh. So once that was all pulled away I was all set. Another personal preference is the look. I know you said you didn't like the way they looked, but I think they are much better looking than the old style. As for what the pros are saying, I've now spoken with 3 who say they will probably never go back to the old style. The big problem with them is the instep, not the mesh, and being the ever inventive crew that freestylers are, we just use the goo to cover that area. Now here is the most important thing about the Millenniums, they are easily HALF the weight of they old ones which means faster feet. Here's the real skinny on Lavers. Once you try them you will realize you should have gotten them sooner. I have kicked in many shoes, from hiking boots to Tevas, and whether you by the old style or new, Lavers are the best shoes to kick in. But that's just my opinion and everyone's deleted this long-winded speech of mine anyway. Later (to anyone still here), Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 20 22:20:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10006 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:20:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27236 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:15:25 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FRR00901DDN2A@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:15:24 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:15:23 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium? In-reply-to: <01BF9297.AC2FE440@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> To: Eric Wulff Cc: "'freestyle'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Adam wrote... > >For example, mirage from a toe set can be symposium, but not from a > >clip. Then Eric Wrote: > A mirage can be symposium from either set... any set even... Now I write: Damn straight! I do Symposium mirage from clipper set and I assure everyone it's as symposium as any other sypmosium. It's not Pogo. As for the whole Dada thing, if the second dex is unquestionably clean I'd give it a symposium. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 21 13:32:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10642 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:32:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03008 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:18:55 -0800 Received: from piff (d143.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.143]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with SMTP id JAA07328; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:18:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01bf9340$4206dfc0$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Reply-To: "acarter1" From: "Tony Carter-Piff" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver Millenniums Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:17:57 -0500 Organization: swarthmore college MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Anyone know where I can find an online pic of the laver mills? tony From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 21 13:39:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10663 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:39:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz ([202.180.64.194]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11106 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:33:01 -0800 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:32:15 +1200 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782367CA6C@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Laver Millenniums Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:32:12 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Anyone know where I can find an online pic of the laver mills? Anyone know an online site which delivers em to New Zealand? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 21 19:48:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11088 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:48:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f184.hotmail.com [216.32.181.184]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA16375 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:37:14 -0800 Received: (qmail 12638 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 01:29:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322012921.12637.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.210.32.165 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:29:21 PST X-Originating-IP: [216.210.32.165] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Laver Millenniums Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:29:21 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello again everyone, Adrian asked: >Anyone know an online site which delivers em to New Zealand? Check out http://www.feet.com, I know they deliver to Canada and the U.S. but I'm not sure if they'd deliver to New Zealand. Check it out for yourself and let us all know. Laytah, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 21 21:16:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11137 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:16:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f88.hotmail.com [216.32.181.88]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19554 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:37:40 -0800 Received: (qmail 6437 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 04:37:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322043710.6436.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.93.213.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:37:09 PST X-Originating-IP: [129.93.213.201] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Kickers in Mexico Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:37:09 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am going to be in Queretaro, Mexico from the beginning of June to the end of July and was wondering if there are any kickers down in the Queretaro or Mexico City area. If so, please contact me as soon as possible. Brian Mckenzie Lincoln, NE (402) 436-9782 From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 22 09:39:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11682 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:39:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA27686 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:04:39 -0800 Received: (qmail 18240 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2000 13:04:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322130438.18239.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.29] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:04:38 PST Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:04:38 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] juggling in a routine To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, If your in the middle of a freestyle routine, and you start juggling two bags, when your done you catch one, does that count as a drop???? Does it count as a drop when your only shreddin with one bag and you catch it???? Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 22 10:05:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11728 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:05:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32095 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:48:43 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.7.100.246]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000322174842.YRUJ18422.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:48:42 -0800 Message-ID: <38D90835.393199B4@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:51:49 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Risden CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] juggling in a routine References: <20000322130438.18239.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If I were the one judging, I would not count it as a drop. In my opinion, if it is intentional, it isn't a drop. I've seen Eric Wulff catch a bag at the end of his routine. Did it look bad? no. Did he catch it because he was out of control? no. So, did it count as a drop? no. If you use your hands because you are losing control of the bag, that is a drop. But, this is just my opinion. I'm not sure how other judges would judge this. My advice to you is to go up to the judges that will be counting drops and ask. Enjoy. -D From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 22 10:13:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11740 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:13:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11737 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:13:09 -0800 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32624 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:10:03 -0800 Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04984 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [206.67.46.8] by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/Spike-2.0) id KAA10576; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:09:32 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38D90835.393199B4@dallasfootbag.org> References: <20000322130438.18239.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> <38D90835.393199B4@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:09:53 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] juggling in a routine Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:51 AM -0600 3/22/00, Derric Scalf wrote: >If I were the one judging, I would not count it as a drop. The rules are clear -- it's not a matter of opinion except so far as determining what "saving hand catch" means: "505.01.A. Drop counter (one): Each time the footbag contacts the ground or the player makes a saving hand catch, one drop is counted." Does everyone know that there is a rulebook online? http://ifc.footbag.org/ It is a couple of years out of date but we're working on updating it for 2000; it's a thankless job, since people rarely actually seem to look there for information. :-( Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 22 10:23:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11779 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:23:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f188.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.188]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA00323 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:17:59 -0800 Received: (qmail 38117 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 18:17:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322181728.38116.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.24.94.61 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:17:28 PST X-Originating-IP: [195.24.94.61] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Kangas, juggling in a routine Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:17:28 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org 2 questions: Does anyone out there play with Kangas? Planet footbag in Zurich ordered 20 of them and they seem like poo. The material is way too thick, do they get that much better when they're broken in? Also so long as the subject of juggling came up, I was currious how juggling is totaled towards add count. An answer please from someone who actually has judged. Thanks -Andrew P.S. Why is it that in front of a camera, no matter what tricks you do or how simply you play, you will drop the bag a lot? Scott D. I know how you felt. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 22 10:24:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11789 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:24:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f9.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA00380 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:19:33 -0800 Received: (qmail 37877 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 18:19:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322181901.37876.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.122.253.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:19:01 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.122.253.144] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] knee problem/question Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:19:01 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, now that my shins feel stronger and don't hurt as much, me knees are starting to hurt.. greatly. i know there aren't any exercises to stretch your knees, but which exercises strengthen the muscles around the knees without putting too much pressure on the knees themselves? or something of that sort. just any kind of advice would be greatly appreciated. also, does a knee-brace help any? shin pains didn't scare me half as much as these knee pains do. my back is also beginning to hurt. i'm falling apart! (: i stretch before every session, and i don't overkill myself or anything.. so all these pains are really worrying me. thank you! Stan p.s. i did hit a ducking mirage and a toe-whirl. i also hit butterfly->paradox mirage->symp mirage on both sides quite regularly. hmm.. maybe i should lay off symp mirage. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 22 11:50:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11860 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:50:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f142.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.142]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA02164 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:41:11 -0800 Received: (qmail 37114 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 19:40:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322194041.37113.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 168.28.181.74 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:40:41 PST X-Originating-IP: [168.28.181.74] From: "Ara Bagdassarian" To: ghost2345@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] knee problem/question Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:40:41 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Stan , what kind of stretches do you do? Ask yourself, am I forcing my stretches, am I bouncing/jerking my body when I stretch or am I taking long breaths, allowing my body to take the muscle where it likes? Also alter your stretches with breakes: stretch for 3 seconds then rest the muscle for 3 sec's. and remeber to breath with your stretches. If you want a couple of exercises for your knees, I guess the best ones would be with the muscles that inervate them. Try leg curles, Leg extentions, leg Adductors (lying on your side and bringing the bottom leg up; bringing your leg medially) leg Abduction (same position, but raise top leg; bring leg lateral. This should get you started but most important don't force any of the stretches or excersises and make sure you go through the full range of motion with the excersises Peace Ara From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 22 23:47:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12560 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:47:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1303.mail.yahoo.com (web1303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.153]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA10418 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:40:09 -0800 Received: (qmail 13301 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2000 00:40:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000323004005.13300.qmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.78.45.113] by web1303.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:40:05 PST Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:40:05 -0800 (PST) From: ERiC WiNDSoR Subject: Re: [freestyle] juggling in a routine To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- James Risden wrote: > Hello, > > If your in the middle of a freestyle routine, and > you > start juggling two bags, when your done you catch > one, > does that count as a drop???? no, unless the catch was done as a save if you mess up your juggle. The catch must look like it was what you meant to do in the routine. > > Does it count as a drop when your only shreddin with > one bag and you catch it???? > yes, unless the catch is the very last thing you do in the routine. You can end on a catch. Eric Windsor From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 22 23:46:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12555 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:46:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06709 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:32:15 -0800 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:29:56 -0800 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BF940B.662F7300@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:32:06 -0800 Message-ID: <01BF940B.662F7300@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Re: juggling in a routine Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:32:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Andrew wrote... >I was curious how juggling is totaled towards add count. An answer please from someone who actually >has judged. Thanks Add one add point to whatever move you are executing during a juggle. In other words, the bag that is in the air is your extra add. toe delays are now worth 2 adds each, clipper stalls are now 3... etc. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 22 23:47:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12565 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:47:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f305.hotmail.com [216.32.180.159]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13580 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:49:37 -0800 Received: (qmail 74747 invoked by uid 0); 23 Mar 2000 02:49:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000323024907.74746.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.151.225.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:49:07 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.151.225.201] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] juggling in a routine (tips?) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:49:07 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Ok, since James brought up a new subject. That being juggling. I was wondering if anyone could give me some good tips on how to juggle a bag. I can't even juggle with my hands so I'm really in the dark here. Thanks! The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 23 17:20:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13969 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:20:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f96.hotmail.com [216.32.181.96]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA21656 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:25:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 71963 invoked by uid 0); 23 Mar 2000 12:25:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000323122511.71962.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.199.190 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:25:11 PST X-Originating-IP: [142.177.199.190] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Triple Around the World Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:25:11 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I don't know if it is true or not, but someone told me that Ryan Mulroney can do a triple around the world. I was just wondering if anyone knew if this was true or not, and if it is, when did he do it... Thanks Cole From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 23 17:22:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13979 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:22:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f240.hotmail.com [216.32.181.240]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA03016 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:17:57 -0800 Received: (qmail 14342 invoked by uid 0); 23 Mar 2000 22:17:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000323221723.14341.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.199.190 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:17:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [142.177.199.190] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Some footbags... Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:17:23 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, I was just wondering, what some people thought of these footbags that I am considering buying. First, the Fuzzy Dream, the 50 panel one for 15 bucks, is this a good deal, or is there actually a justified reason that it is so cheap?? Also, how good are the bags that are filled with sand, like the Dirtbag and others?? Lastly, are bags like I Kic and Alpha any good? I would appreciate any feedback, to help me out. Thanks Cole From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 23 22:50:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14203 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:50:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11684 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:08:58 -0800 Received: (qmail 14459 invoked by alias); 24 Mar 2000 06:08:57 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 14438 invoked by uid 0); 24 Mar 2000 06:08:55 -0000 Received: from ddialup240.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.102.240) by dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 24 Mar 2000 06:08:55 -0000 Message-ID: <38DB067F.811A3EC0@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:09:03 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some footbags... References: <20000323221723.14341.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I often kick with a sand bag myself. THey're good to help you learn new tricks and to hit tricks easier. I love my sand bags. I also have an I dig. I really don't care for it too much because it's light and hard to break in. It helps if you put in something more dense to help weight it down. I'd recommend a dirtbag. M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 23 22:50:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14213 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:50:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11728 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:12:45 -0800 Received: (qmail 19585 invoked by alias); 24 Mar 2000 06:12:44 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 19555 invoked by uid 0); 24 Mar 2000 06:12:44 -0000 Received: from ddialup240.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.102.240) by dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 24 Mar 2000 06:12:44 -0000 Message-ID: <38DB0763.61D62353@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:12:51 -0700 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] knee problem/question References: <20000322181901.37876.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If your knees hurt it's time to take it easy for a while. Don't play through the pain. I'm telling you from experience that when it's the knees it could be trouble down the road. Take a couple of weeks off. At least two. And then work your way back in slowly. I had to take two months off for my knees end of the summer. Trust me, it's hard but it will save you from trouble later. M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 23 22:50:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14201 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:50:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09475 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:53:09 -0800 Received: from [24.141.155.206] ([24.141.155.206]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.10.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e2O3s2j01882; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:54:02 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:52:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some footbags... From: Neil Bearse To: Cole Hobson , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000323221723.14341.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org on 3/23/00 5:17 PM, Cole Hobson at mccd2k@hotmail.com wrote: . First, the Fuzzy Dream, the 50 panel one for 15 bucks, > is this a good deal, or is there actually a justified reason that it is so > cheap?? I bought a fuzzy dream, and i am not really too pleased with it. the 'fuzzy' material doesnt work in like facile or ultrasuede does... it stays pretty stiff, as far as i can tell. > Also, how good are the bags that are filled with sand, like the Dirtbag and > others?? I also have a sandblaster, which i really like. the only bad thing about these, is the fact that they are smaller than the usual bag, and the crushed panne material is kinda slippery. for a sand filled bag, go for the dirty juice.. its sweet > Lastly, are bags like I Kic and Alpha any good? I THINK that the old adidas bags are the exact same as the i Kic footbags, and i still really like Adidas 18 and 32 panel bags. very durable, and very shredable. still though, i'd have to say that Facile Juice is the way to go.... just a couple of pennies Neil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 23 22:50:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14212 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:50:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09561 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:56:02 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.b6.2e34aa0 (4529); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:55:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:55:25 EST Subject: [freestyle] Re: Some footbags... To: freestyle@footbag.org, mccd2k@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I LOVE sandbags! I use to think that the more panels the better. But when I got my 32-panel I realized that seeing how it was so round it was a little harder to stall. After awhile I got one of the 12 panel bag and it is the BEST in my opinion. It stalls GREAT. A few times I thought I missed the bag on a toe delay from another trick or somthing and I look down to pick it up and right there on my toe it lays. I was just amazed how stable they were. -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 24 07:34:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14656 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:34:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f233.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.233]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA19508 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:04:52 -0800 Received: (qmail 44003 invoked by uid 0); 24 Mar 2000 15:04:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000324150410.44002.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:04:10 PST X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triple Around the World Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:04:10 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Cole Hobson" ...someone told me that Ryan Mulroney >can do a triple around the world. First, it is good you are asking about this rather than talking about without the facts. Take everything anyone tells you with a grain of salt. Personally, I have never seen Ryan hit T-atw. Though, I have seen Sunil Jani hit triage (basically, a triple dex barrage). Actually, you can see it too. They have him hitting it on the Reese's Piece's video (he is at Texas State Championships). I actually got to witness it, and in my opinion, it dont get a whole hell of a lot cleaner. So, yes, it can be done. I know there was some other cat who was using footweights that had supposedly been hitting T-atw, but that is heresay so I have no clue whether it is true. LAter Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 25 08:51:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16095 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:51:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27485 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:27:47 -0800 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.34.2f3df9e (3929) for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:26:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34.2f3df9e.260d37a0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:26:56 EST Subject: [freestyle] 4 Dex? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 100 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'v been wondering if anyone has hit a 4 dex? I don't mean around the world or anything, but has anyone a trick that has 4 dex in it??? -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 25 08:52:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16100 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:52:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f15.hotmail.com [216.32.181.15]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA06782 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 06:44:17 -0800 Rec