From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 1 10:22:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29813 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:22:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f309.hotmail.com [216.32.180.163]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA23176 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:20:55 -0800 Received: (qmail 57101 invoked by uid 0); 1 Apr 2000 14:20:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000401142025.57100.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.206.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Apr 2000 06:20:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [142.177.206.17] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New footbags Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 14:20:25 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, I was just wondering if anyone had browsed the FootMART online catalog at http://worldfootbag.com/catalog/ lately. If you have you will notice there are a few new footbags online. Just wondering if anyone has ever kicked with any of these new bags, and if they are good or not. Actually, the one I want to know about is called the Mirage Footbag. It is 10 bucks and has 14 panels. It is made of macro synthetic suede (is that a good material??) Any feedback would be appreciated... Thanks, Cole From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 2 22:40:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00767 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:40:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06872 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:22:20 -0700 Received: from r79a006587aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.178.150] helo=funazs) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12bzJ1-0006Uq-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:21:44 -0400 Message-ID: <001901bf9d2d$4ad00860$96b27ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> From: "Mike Furnari" To: References: <20000401142025.57100.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] New footbags Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:27:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wow, some of the new ones look real nice. I just bought a facile dirty juice, and the sand leaks like a mother. now i think i am gonna go for one of those super nifty looking "Super Sand Footbag's" anyone tried them yet, i am mainly looking for how the sand holds up. but any info would be much appreicated thanks alot ----MIke Furnari ---- North Hunterdon Footbag Association From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 2 22:40:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00772 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:40:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (mx1.magmacom.com [206.191.0.217]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07035 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:26:54 -0700 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14265 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave (port218.magma.ca [206.191.5.218]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA29173 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001901bf9d2d$04eb93a0$0b01010a@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: [freestyle] Windchill! Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:25:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I just got back from the Windchill tourney in Montreal, and I just wanted to say it was GREAT! I am so glad that Ken S. convinced me to make the trip (well it didn't take much, just the words Freestyle and Montreal). It was amazing to see the legions of up-and-coming 'stylers showing off their stuff in Montreal. There is quite a pool of talent there. I arrived there feeling shy and uncertain about my (lack of) skills, and I left feeling totally pumped up and ready to go. If my legs didn't hurt so much I would be practicing right now. Thanks Ken and Yacine for the encouragement, you guys rock! So I will repeat what Ken said a few weeks ago: GO TO TOURNAMENTS! You won't regret it. Later, Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:19:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03441 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:19:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA16839 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:44:00 -0700 Received: (qmail 8685 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Apr 2000 23:23:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000403232310.8684.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.210.66] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:23:10 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:23:10 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] personal ripwalk record & symp pdx blender To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup everyone, I cant believe what just happend. I just broke the old ripwalk record of 23. I hit 24 back to back ripwalks, screwd up on the 25. (nearly colapsed) Im closing in on the unbelieveable record of 38. Shouldent be too long! :) Also, Could someone PLEASE explain to me what a symposium paradox blender is? I just cant see how this is possible. Later, Jamez P.S. Ill (hopfully) be at the guiness record attempt!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:19:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03446 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:19:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22227 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:52:19 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSI00P01FAV56@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:52:07 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:52:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] trick + 7 adders To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hit a trick last week that I absolutely loved and it just sort of came to me as I did it. I guess it would be a "shooting mirage" I landed it a few times and sealed it. Jobs = clip>(no plant while) op in> op out (now plant that set foot)> op in> op toe I'm not sure how to explain shooting to those of you who don't know what it is, unless you know what pogo is in which case it's the same as pogo only the set leg does an out to in dex as well. I have been wanting to try it again but go torque instead of mirage. I was wondering if the shooting torque that Tuan hit at Worlds last year was done this way or if the second dex leg was also the third dex. Either one would be a 7 add. I was also wondering if anyone's tried symposium blurry torque. For someone like Peter who hits Blurry Torque like MAD and also hits Big Apple. You'd think it's quite hittable. And I know there's others who could if they tried as well. Bye, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:19:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03451 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:19:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23741 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:41:23 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSI00M01ENHA9@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:38:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:38:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] cutting for pixie sets and such In-reply-to: <8a.2138c72.2615e743@aol.com> To: Nageylum@aol.com Cc: umleema0@cc.umanitoba.ca, freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 Nageylum@aol.com wrote: > this doesn't actually do anything. rather than trying to tweak your shoes a > lil more than the norm just hesitate a slight bit for a better pixie set. > although if you happen to freakishly large feet(no offence) like the > forespeaker(real word?) then perhaps it may actually do something. Using your reply as my reasoning I will again say that cutting the toe box DOES do something, though AGAIN it is a matter of preference. If you have to wait a "slight bit for a better pixie set" then you are making it slower. If you make the set slower then the rest of your body has to compensate by going faster. I Wrote Earlier: > > Another personal feeling is > > that is makes catching the bag too easy and letting go too hard with > > certain tricks And Josh Replied: > now i understand wanting to makes some of the harder releases easier, but > where is the logic in making somehing that's to easy harder? Referring to my above reply, you make an easy set harder by waiting an extra bit. It's a matter of skill and preference any which way you look at it. The guy who can overcome the toe box "that's too big for a good pixie set" and land a smog in the toe box "that's too big to miss any catch" is just as good as the guy who overcomes the cut away toe box "that's easier to get a good pixie set" and lands smog in the toe box "that has no walls to help me make any catch". Here's a good example... I used to play in Teva's (back in my early days). The toe is a much harder catch and easier to let go, than if you're wearing Lavers, but the insides are like having velcro, you can catch extremely well but letting go is harder. Now I use Lavers. The toe box I cut away and I sacrificed the easier catch of Teva's for the easier letting go of Lavers. How about another example... It's easier to not cut your shoes at all than it is to slice open a toe box, cut out the canvas inside, and re-lace your shoes in some jumbled fashion. Now why would you ever make the easyness of having a wonderful shoe already made for you into a harder chore? Well, as a matter of preference, it becomes easier to do certain things with them cut than not. So regardless of the extra labor involved you cut the suckers. This same reasoning holds for why myself and others might do the extra snipping of the toe box. Now let me apologize for coming on so strong. I just got out of an ethics class and we spent the whole time arguing so I'm a little worked up. I hope you don't take offense. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:18:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03431 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:18:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web702.mail.yahoo.com (web702.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA32638 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:14:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 2446 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Apr 2000 16:14:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000403161433.2445.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.79.184.104] by web702.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 09:14:33 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:14:33 -0700 (PDT) From: chris wollick Subject: [freestyle] glow hacks To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey, has anyone ever used one of those glow in the dark footbags? i was considering getting one for uh...night parties, but they look really funky. -chris From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:18:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03436 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:18:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22949 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:16:04 -0700 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12cag9-0007Xm-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:16:05 +0000 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (helo=[209.107.90.78]) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12cag4-0004YX-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:16:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:38:21 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: [freestyle] Pixie Opp Symp Rev. Mir. Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! I haven't kept up with my freestyle listserv and have over 120 back messages, so I apologize for not replying if you were reaching out to me. I'll get to them eventually. I've been hitting this neat little frontside four and I was wondering if it has a name or if I have to come up with one... I'll stab at the JOBS notation here, but don't freak: Toe > Same Out > Op Symp In > Op Toe But really folks... (for instance, from the right side)... Right Toe set, pixie with right leg and without replanting, symposium reverse mirage with left leg and back to right toe. Let me know See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:19:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03481 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:19:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Josh Childs Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28671 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:59:08 -0700 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.d4.299aa68 (3965) for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:58:27 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] cutting for pixie sets and such To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 4/4/2000 2:42:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kaplanb@mscd.edu writes: > > now i understand wanting to makes some of the harder releases easier, but > > where is the logic in making somehing that's to easy harder? > > Referring to my above reply, you make an easy set harder by waiting > an extra bit. no you make it easier by waiting. have ya ever tried to do a move to fast or soon? i rest my case. i'm sure i'll have more to say at some point but at the moment. it's like trying to do a pdx torque to fast if ya don't slow down a bit you'll clip your leg. now rather than trying to cut our legs a lil i suggest that slowing down just a bit will solve this problem, and with a whole lot less blood and cutting. i have small feet(kinda) so simply put my pixie isn't bothered by the eyelets, and i've actually fallen in love with them. i won't go into detail but they can do some pretty wild stuff if ya know what i mean, and i think ya do. . . . . My name is Josh Childs and I ride the small bus to school. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:20:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03499 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:20:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f68.hotmail.com [216.32.181.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25363 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:24:43 -0700 Received: (qmail 95366 invoked by uid 0); 4 Apr 2000 22:24:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000404222411.95365.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.213.43.179 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:24:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.213.43.179] From: "Tom LaBeff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Zoid Set Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:24:11 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Lately I've been working on my zoid set. (If you don't know what that is, James Roberts can show you on Dallas Footbag's page.) Anyway, about a month ago, I was drillin' these zoids, and the whole time I felt no pain or wierd sensations, only muscle failure from exhausting them (muscles). The next day though, I had bad pain in my entire abdominal region. It only took one day to go away, but what's up with that. Has anyone had the same problem or anything close? If James R. is on this list (him being the master of the zoid set) please let me have any 411 you can. Also, Eli Piltz is the man. I recently got 'Sultans of Shred' and the two video series he just released, and they are the bomb. He was super courteous and accomidating. These videos are helping me in a way that T.O.T.T didn't. Thank you for your patience Eli. I also got a pair of the Classic Rod Laver's within the last month, and I have no complaints. I don't know what the new ones are like, but to me, they would just be trying to improve on perfection. From LaCrosse, WI Thomas LaBeff P.S. Over and over again I hear to use both legs equally, and I have been trying to up my left legs skill, and it's happening, but is it possible for it to someday equal my right legs' skill level. Has anyone ever been in the same situation as that? If so, I'd like to hear about it. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:44:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03589 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:44:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f188.hotmail.com [216.32.181.188]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03238 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:37:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 51755 invoked by uid 0); 5 Apr 2000 03:37:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000405033728.51754.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.210.32.56 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:37:28 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.210.32.56] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] glow hacks Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:37:28 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo stylers, Chris Wollick asked... >hey, has anyone ever used one of those glow in the >dark footbags? Um, I personally have never tried one but I've been told that they DO NOT stall very well. I believe someone asked this question on the list before so you could always look in the archives. Peace, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:52:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03632 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:52:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f58.hotmail.com [216.32.181.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03642 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:46:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 56346 invoked by uid 0); 5 Apr 2000 03:45:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000405034541.56345.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.210.32.56 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:45:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.210.32.56] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] personal ripwalk record & symp pdx blender Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:45:41 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, James Risden wrote: >I cant believe what just happend. I just broke the >old ripwalk record of 23. I hit 24 back to back >ripwalks, screwd up on the 25. (nearly colapsed) >Im closing in on the unbelieveable record of 38. >Shouldent be too long! :) Ok, please, James do you have access to a camera? If so, send in your footage to dallasfootbag so we can all see it 'cause I WANT to see it! Peace, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:53:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03643 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:53:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03575 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:44:27 -0700 Received: from piff (d143.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.143]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with SMTP id XAA24052; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006201bf9eb0$be747880$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Reply-To: "tony carter-piff" From: "Tony Carter-Piff" To: "Brad Kaplan" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] trick + 7 adders Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:40:53 -0400 Organization: swarthmore college MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Jobs = clip>(no plant while) op in> op out (now plant that set foot)> > op in> op toe > > I have been wanting to try it again but go torque instead of mirage. > I was wondering if the shooting torque that Tuan hit at Worlds last year > was done this way or if the second dex leg was also the third dex. > Either one would be a 7 add. Minor point, but could the 3rd dex done by the 1st-dexing leg get a paradox add? Actually, i guess, if that's the case, maybe your shooting mirage gets a pdx...or maybe shooting cannot ever be pdx (it's not "clip>same in"), in which case I'm altogether wrong and apologize. It seems paradox to me. I suppose Steve may rip on me for not consulting his paradox tutorial... tony From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 22:12:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03816 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:12:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.emerson.edu (mail.emerson.edu [199.94.64.19]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06218 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:03:17 -0700 Received: by mail.emerson.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id <224VN57K>; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:01:04 -0400 Message-ID: <4143DB540B49D31182CE00062B00694B13E168@mail.emerson.edu> From: Spartan Giordano To: "'chris wollick '" , "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] the best, easy way 4 glow hack Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:01:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is in response to Chris Wollick's query about the glow in the dark hack. I assume you are taking about the one with the battery in it... One of my friends got one, basically it is a balloon stuffed with some chopped up plastic a battery and a lightbulb. The battery and switch make the "bag" lopsided, and the balloon tears very easily. Needless to say I do not reccomend this hack. However, through much experimentation of my own I have discovered a great way of making any bag glow in the dark. Here is what you need: 2 one inch mouth glosticks (available at hot topic or spencer's gifts) a white stocking a piece of duct tape Put the footbag and 2 glostix in the stocking, cut off the excess stocking, tape it closed and you have a GREAT glo in the dark bag. I go to raves all the time with this setup. Shred on boyzngirlz ~ s p i n m a s t e r s p a r t a n ~ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 5 08:31:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04417 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:31:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20119 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:41:04 -0700 Received: from awf108.rh.psu.edu (tnt1-145-15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.145.15]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA96664 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:41:04 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000405094132.006a7f74@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:41:32 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Zoid set and a 7-add Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Could someone describe what this zoid set is? I can't find it on the dallas page. Also, I cooked up (although I am nowhere near hitting this trick) a 7-add that seems like it would be fairly easy for anyone with a good stepping ducking set. How about stepping ducking paradox da da? Alex From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 5 08:31:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04412 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:31:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19674 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:20:58 -0700 Received: from awf108.rh.psu.edu (tnt1-145-15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.145.15]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA176890 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:20:53 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000405092119.006969c0@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:21:19 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] pixie op symposium reverse mirage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is in response to Scott Davidson's question on his 4-add he mentioned. The jobs notation is toe > same in [dex] > (no plant while) op out [bod] [dex] > op toe [del] This is just a symposium smudge, as far as I can tell. Alex From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 5 09:40:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04507 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:40:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f117.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.117]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25519 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:35:51 -0700 Received: (qmail 63098 invoked by uid 0); 5 Apr 2000 16:35:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000405163523.63097.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.122.253.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:35:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.122.253.144] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pixie op symposium reverse mirage Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:35:23 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Alexander Faber >The jobs notation is > > toe > same in [dex] > (no plant while) op out [bod] [dex] > op toe >[del] > >This is just a symposium smudge, as far as I can tell. or a pixie flail? Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 5 23:20:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05365 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:20:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c392116-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.7.91.61]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA05597 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000f01bf9f73$5fc0f5c0$1600a8c0@hysterical.net> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: freestyle@footbag.org References: <200004051950.MAA04699@list.footbag.org> Subject: [freestyle] Re: pixie op reverse symp mirage Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:53:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Scott D wrote... > I've been hitting this neat little frontside four and I was wondering if it > has a name or if I have to come up with one... > But really folks... (for instance, from the right side)... > Right Toe set, pixie with right leg and without replanting, symposium > reverse mirage with left leg and back to right toe. It's pretty much just a symposium smudge. Ryan Mulroney P.S. See you at the So-Cal tournament April 15-16. I'm running freestyle. It should be fun. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 6 12:25:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06440 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:25:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03587 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:08:09 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSL00K01ZTCTP@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:08:00 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Zoid Set In-reply-to: <20000404222411.95365.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Tom LaBeff Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Tom LaBeff wrote: > day though, I had bad pain in my entire abdominal region. It only took one > day to go away, but what's up with that. Has anyone had the same problem or > anything close? If James R. is on this list (him being the master of the > zoid set) please let me have any 411 you can. I've never experienced any of pain doing Zoid sets. Is it sore muscle pain? If so it's probably because you're using those muscles so much to do the set. Kind of like doing crunches. > I also got a pair of the Classic Rod Laver's within the last month, and I > have no complaints. I don't know what the new ones are like, but to me, > they would just be trying to improve on perfection. And they do just that. > P.S. Over and over again I hear to use both legs equally, and I have been > trying to up my left legs skill, and it's happening, but is it possible for > it to someday equal my right legs' skill level. Has anyone ever been in the > same situation as that? If so, I'd like to hear about it. I am trying so hard to get my right side up to par with my left and it is definitely tough. For me the important thing is to study my good side until my eyes bleed and my head hurts and then do the same thing on my weak side. It is SOOO important to have both sides as equal as possible. I'm not even close, but I know it's possible because I've seen it. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:56:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09439 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:56:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04519 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:33:03 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSM000010YDYD@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:32:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:32:37 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Zoid set and a 7-add In-reply-to: <3.0.2.32.20000405094132.006a7f74@email.psu.edu> To: Alexander Faber Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Alexander Faber wrote: > Could someone describe what this zoid set is? I can't find it on the > dallas page. Let's say you are setting from right toe. Keep your right foot planted on the ground with the bag on it, now pick up your left leg and cross it over the other leg (it's kind of like you are doing the dex before the bag comes up in the air), now set the bag. That's right, make it go up in the air. Try it. It takes practice and it's kind of awkward, but it's fun once you get it. > Also, I cooked up (although I am nowhere near hitting this trick) a 7-add > that seems like it would be fairly easy for anyone with a good stepping > ducking set. How about stepping ducking paradox da da? Boy would that have to be REALLY clean. As it is, Pdx Da Da is a tough move to really do cleanly, but stepping it and ducking it are a whole new ball park. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:56:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09434 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:56:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2004.mail.yahoo.com (web2004.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.204]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07140 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:27:53 -0700 Received: (qmail 21482 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 20:27:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406202755.21481.qmail@web2004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.159.139] by web2004.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:27:55 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:27:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Re: trick and 7 adders To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >> Either one would be a 7 add. > Minor point, but could the 3rd dex done by the 1st-dexing leg get a paradox add? Actually, i guess, if that's the case, maybe your shooting mirage gets a pdx... ------------ Here's how I see it. Brad is right that both types of shooting torque would be seven adds. Here's why: For simplicity's sake, let's call the one with the last two dexes from the same leg as 'shoottap torque' and the other as 'shooting torque'. The 'shooting torque' gets a paradox add for the 2nd dex (rev mirage) since the dex is a complete dex in order to pivot again for the torque- (dex)(pdox dex)(dex)(osis) = 7. The 'shoottap torque' is awarded a pdox add for the torque since it would be a paradox torque from that side without the shooting set- (dex)(dex)(pdox dex)(osis) = 7. Neither get an add for pogo. Later, Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:56:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09433 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:56:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04898 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:43:46 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSM002011GX1U@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:43:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] trick + 7 adders In-reply-to: <006201bf9eb0$be747880$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> To: tony carter-piff Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, tony carter-piff wrote: > Minor point, but could the 3rd dex done by the 1st-dexing leg get a paradox > add? Actually, i guess, if that's the case, maybe your shooting mirage gets > a pdx...or maybe shooting cannot ever be pdx (it's not "clip>same in"), in > which case I'm altogether wrong and apologize. It seems paradox to me. I > suppose Steve may rip on me for not consulting his paradox tutorial... The 3rd dex done by the first leg is what makes the trick paradox. Shooting (or even clip> same out) gets paradox if the bag comes back to the same side of the body it started on for a delay or body movement. If you did this move: Clip> (no plant while) op in> op out (plant)> op clip. it would be like shooting a Ripwalk and there is no paradox. Someone please correct me if my explanation is wrong. Bye, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:57:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09444 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:57:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04202 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:25:33 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSM00D010MKIE@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:25:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:25:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] personal ripwalk record & symp pdx blender In-reply-to: <20000403232310.8684.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> To: James Risden Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, James Risden wrote: > Also, Could someone PLEASE explain to me what a > symposium paradox blender is? I just cant see how > this is possible. It's kind of not. I mean it is, but it's not. The dex has to be completed before you land. Also it's kind of not considered symposium. Rick Reese did a post on this about a month ago and stated that the move was harder though not technically fitting into the Symposium category. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:57:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09449 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:57:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04049 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:22:02 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSM00N010GQNQ@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:22:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] cutting for pixie sets and such In-reply-to: To: Josh Childs Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Josh Childs wrote: > no you make it easier by waiting. have ya ever tried to do a move to fast or > soon? i rest my case. i'm sure i'll have more to say at some point but at the > moment. > it's like trying to do a pdx torque to fast if ya don't slow down a bit > you'll clip your leg. now rather than trying to cut our legs a lil i suggest > that slowing down just a bit will solve this problem, and with a whole lot > less blood and cutting. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT!!! THEY ARE THE DEVIL!!! 666 666 666 666 666! ALL EYELETS MUST BE CUT AWAY! CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT!!! > i have small feet(kinda) so simply put my pixie isn't bothered by the > eyelets, and i've actually fallen in love with them. i won't go into detail > but they can do some pretty wild stuff if ya know what i mean, and i think ya > do. . . . . No I don't what you mean. This isn't naughty stuff is it, If so I don't think I want to know. So it appears to me that you don't even want to pay attention to my "Theory of Relativity" when it comes to this topic. Not everyone has the same style of play and some things work better for one and not the other. For instance, those eyelet thingies we were discussing, no good for me or about a half dozen of my friends (most with smaller feet)... but they're good for you and your friends. See what I'm saying here. Relativity. > My name is Josh Childs and I ride the small bus to school. My name is Brad Kaplan and I drive to school. P.S. Don't think I don't like you, cuz I do. All of you!!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:57:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09454 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:57:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f326.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.204]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA27586 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:46:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 5569 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 2000 14:46:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406144617.5568.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.122.253.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:46:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.122.253.144] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pixie op symposium reverse mirage Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:46:17 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" >> toe > same in [dex] > (no plant while) op out [bod] [dex] > op toe >>[del] >or a pixie flail? sorry if i confused anyone.. i wasn't saying it was a pixie flail, i was asking if it was. hence the "?" Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:57:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09459 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:57:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f246.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA25206 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:40:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 33888 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 2000 13:39:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406133931.33887.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.135 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 06:39:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.135] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] unusual? Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 06:39:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok, I have a question for everyone. Why don't we seperate unusual kicks from unusual delays? i.e. knees and outside are usual kicks but unusual stalling surfaces. Knee kicks are pretty easy and spining tear drops are freaking hard. The same holds for any dex ending in an outside stall. Seems easiy enough, which means it will never catch on and I'll atract 20 flames. My inspiration: in Prague I saw a kid doing knee leg overs, sickness. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:58:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09474 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:58:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2001.mail.yahoo.com (web2001.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.201]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07654 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:38:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 3398 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 20:38:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406203834.3397.qmail@web2001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.159.139] by web2001.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:38:34 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:38:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] re: ...and a 7 adder (flaw) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alex Faber wrote: > Also, I cooked up (although I am nowhere near hitting this trick) a 7-add that seems like it would be fairly easy for anyone with a good stepping ducking set. How about stepping ducking paradox da da? I'm not too big on dada curve because 90% of the people do them THE. Honestly, 'blurry vertigo' (stepping ducking paradox drifter) would be way harder and more of a worthy trick, even though it's technically a 6 add. I could see Dave Holton busting this, he's hit 'vertigo' (ducking pdox drifter) and 'gauntlet' (blurry ducking torque) so I know it's possible. Later Bladers, Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:59:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09517 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:59:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f289.hotmail.com [209.185.130.228]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA00535 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 05:06:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 78021 invoked by uid 0); 7 Apr 2000 12:06:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000407120621.78020.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 140.186.114.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 05:06:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [140.186.114.22] From: "melissa schneider" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] East Coast Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 05:06:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello footbag community. I was curious if anyone close to the new york, massachusetts area who is making the trip to D.C. for East Coast? I'm wanting to go, trying to find a ride? I'm in western Mass. but could meet you on the road. Anyone out there???? Let me know. thanks, much peace. Mel From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:59:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09522 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:59:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f83.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.83]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16181 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:33:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 67339 invoked by uid 0); 8 Apr 2000 17:33:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000408173317.67338.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.24.153.90 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:33:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.24.153.90] From: "Daniel Lamb" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Moves Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:33:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey I am some what of a beginner and I was wondering what moves are good to start with. But to let you know I already can do a Dragonfly kick, Butterfly kick, jester, Clipper and clipper delay, inside/toe/clipper stall. Plus I am practicing and getting better at around the world. Thanks minihackysacker38 From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:59:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09527 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:59:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from statistik.cinetic.de (statistik.cinetic.de [194.45.170.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13188 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:45:02 -0700 Received: from cinetic.de (o200.cinetic.de [194.45.170.18]) by statistik.cinetic.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA01951 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:45:01 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:45:01 +0200 Message-Id: <200004062345.BAA01951@statistik.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Joern Grosch" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] =?iso-8859-1?Q?visiting=20the=20usa=20for=20shreddin=B4?= Precedence: fm-user Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id QAA06869 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi this is joern from germany. me(17) and a friend(19) have been playing freestyle for about 10 months now. we planned a trip to the u.s.a. for one or two weeks inbetween 13.7.00 - 23.8.00. the main-reason is of course shredding with others and watching some advanced freestylers. therefore i got some questions: we need a place to stay... it would be cool if someone is able to offer a place where we could stay at night or if someone knows a cheap hotel especially in the area of san francisco ( palo alto), but any other offer or hint is of course welcome. are there any tournaments during that time ? maybe in other regions of the states... i didn¥t want to abuse the mailinglist but i thought it¥s the best way to reach a lot of freestylers in the us. any ideas should be sent to me, not to the list, hehe. thanks lot an best regards Joern Grosch From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:59:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09532 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:59:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20748 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:36:49 -0700 Received: from batty.excite.com ([199.172.152.107]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.40 201-229-119-123) with ESMTP id <20000407033442.KZNA10253.gigi.excite.com@batty.excite.com> for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:34:42 -0700 Message-ID: <30463016.955078482192.JavaMail.imail@batty.excite.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:34:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Windchill tournament wrap-up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 154.5.60.168 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey fellow shredders! The Windchill in Montreal last week-end was a huge success. It's usually more of a net tournament than a freestyle jam but this year was different. Freestyle ruled. We had 4 open competitiors and 12 intermediates! 7 stylers from out of town showed up and there was more shredders than net players overall! We've taken some great footage especially from Sebastien Duchesne who was BUSTING on thursday, Ken S., Danny Cardonne - he hit a frigid blender midstring for the camera! -, and yours truly. Without further delay, here are the freestyle results from the competition. The complete & official results will be posted on footbag.org as soon as our beloved Yves Archambault wills it. Intermediate freestyle 1.Luc Legault, Montreal, Qc (Go pro!) 2.Hugues Veillette, Montreal, Qc 3.Sebastien Desgens, Montreal, Qc 4.Justin MacNish, Sherbrooke, Qc 5.Kavin Thiffault, Shawinigan, Qc Open freestyle 1.Ken Somolinos, New York, NY 2.Yacine Merzouk, Montreal, Qc 3.Sebastien Duchesne, Montreal, Qc 4.Danny Cardonne, Montreal, Qc I hope to see you all at the ECC at the end of the month - that's if I manage to be there myself! -Yacine Merzouk P.S.: Thanks to Kavin, Sam, Martin, Justin, P.A., Ken, and Dave for showing up. Congrats to Dave Reid. His daughter Laura made her first steps and I was the lucky cameraman! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 9 12:28:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11201 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:28:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f62.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26155 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:14:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 97728 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 2000 19:13:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000409191346.97727.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 12:13:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.17] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Proposal Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 12:13:45 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok we have most (all?) of the IFC freestyle committee here, so I¥ll make my proposal to the list. In the official rule book Article V (freestyle) 505.01 C. reads: "5.Unusual Surface. A move made with something other than the basic kicking surfaces, which are the inside, outside, toe, and knee. Examples include the tip of the toe, heel, calf, shin, back of the knee, and the upper body." I would change this to say: "5.Unusual Surface. A move containing a kick other other than the basic kicking surfaces, which are the inside, outside, toe, and knee OR a move containing a stall other than the basic stalling surface, which are inside and toe. Examples include the tip of the toe, heel, calf, shin, back of the knee, and the upper body kicks and moves containing a knee or outside stall." My questions are: 1. Is this clear enough? Can anyone think of possible confusion, and or miss awarded adds this could lead to? Does this come up anywhere else in the rules? 2. Is anyone against this and would anyone from the IFC Freestyle committee consider proposing this at worlds? Right away knee and outside stalls would become 2 adds, which I¥m sure some will disagree with, but let¥s face it, difficulty aside they both are unusual places to stall the bag, especially after any dexterity. And speaking of difficulty (adds don¥t = difficulty right?) yes outside stall is easier than most 2 add moves, but not much. Try spinning clipper and then spinning outside stall, try butterfly and then legover ending on an outside. They¥re pretty comparable. Concerns, comments? -Andrew (constant trouble maker) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 9 22:57:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11912 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:57:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f141.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.141]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02563 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:07:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 56817 invoked by uid 0); 10 Apr 2000 00:06:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000410000649.56816.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.132.146.162 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:06:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [130.132.146.162] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Phat combo contests Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 20:06:49 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Just wanted to say thanks again to Bob Riefer and Yves Archambault for running such great tournaments last week. While details and results for both tournaments have slowly appeared, nobody has made any mention of the Phat Combo contests that were held at each event. The Phat Combo contest was conceived by Dan Kramer last year, and has been used a couple of tournaments. The basic idea is to have a competitor announce a difficult or aesthetically pleasing two trick combo, and then hit it in a 30 second period. This event has many positive aspects. First of all, it is very fast. It is also very impressive to watch, since the competitor is trying to hit the most impressive combo they can, unlike in a routine where s/he would do easy moves they know they won't drop. Also, since the move names are announced ahead of time, it gives the spectator a chance to learn the names of some moves. Finally, the fact that it is only 2 tricks means that anybody has a chance at winning. In Philly and in Montreal intermediates did well because they chose stylish combos, or the pros were unable to hit their combos because they were too difficult. I participated in both Phat Combo contests last week, and had lots of fun. The purpose of this e-mail is to encourage tournament directors in the future to run this event. It's a crowd pleaser, it's quick, it can be judged fairly quickly, it educates spectators, and it encourages participation from stylers of all levels. And on an unrelated note: I'm not actually from NYC, I just freestyle there. Shred on, Ken CF Somolinos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 9 22:57:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11922 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:57:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f181.hotmail.com [216.32.181.181]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA01010 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:08:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 50390 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 2000 23:08:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000409230806.50389.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.151.225.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 16:08:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.151.225.201] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proposal Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:08:06 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Andrew, the constant trouble maker, wrote stuff corcerning the usual surface rules. I like the change. That's all I wanted to say. Whether of not the rule WILL be changed is another story but I like the proposal. I mean, think about if you were to do a mirage ending in an outside delay, under the REAL rules, that move would count as a 2 adder but a regular mirage is simpler to do and is also worth the same? That's "coo-coo" (rotating finger pointing at head) Anyway, Andrew, I like your proposal. I hope the others like it to. Peace y'all, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 9 22:57:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11917 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:57:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04469 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:18:27 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSS00B010YQP0@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:18:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proposal In-reply-to: <20000409191346.97727.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Andrew McCargar Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by list.footbag.org id SAA11729 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Andrew McCargar wrote: > I would change this to say: > > "5.Unusual Surface. A move containing a kick other other than the basic > kicking surfaces, which are the inside, outside, toe, and knee OR a move > containing a stall other than the basic stalling surface, which are inside > and toe. Examples include the tip of the toe, heel, calf, shin, back of the > knee, and the upper body kicks and moves containing a knee or outside > stall." > 1. Is this clear enough? Can anyone think of possible confusion, and or miss > awarded adds this could lead to? Does this come up anywhere else in the > rules? I think there is a little confusion in the wording, but it is understandable enough to get your point across. > Right away knee and outside stalls would become 2 adds, which I*m sure some > will disagree with, but let*s face it, difficulty aside they both are > unusual places to stall the bag, especially after any dexterity. And > speaking of difficulty (adds don*t = difficulty right?) yes outside stall is > easier than most 2 add moves, but not much. Try spinning clipper and then > spinning outside stall, try butterfly and then legover ending on an outside. > They*re pretty comparable. Concerns, comments? I agree with you on a lot of the points you are making, but I have some concerns and other points to make. In your new version of how the rulebook might read you refer to inside and knee as usual kicking surfaces and I agree with that to a point. Have you ever done a dragonfly and kicked it with the outside of you foot or knee instead of the inside of your foot? Or have you ever done a butterflier but kicked it with your knee instead of clipper (a potential injury awaits all males who do this trick so be careful)? My point being that these are examples of "usual kicking surfaces" which are made harder by the combined execution of themselves and another body movement or dexterity. Another point to be made is that inside delays present an added degree of difficulty or unusualness in that almost all tricks when executed end in toe or clipper delays. It is harder for (dare I say) most people to end a blur with an inside delay. Or double atw, smear, schmoe, double pickup, pdx mirage, pdx reverse mirage, blizzard, atom smasher, eggbeater.... I'm sure I've made my point. One more thing is to include frigidosis in here somewhere. My idea would be to further change the categorie to include unusual contortions. I'm not sure how to word it all to fit these points that I've made. How does one go about making an official proposal to the IFC anyway? Later on, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 9 22:58:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11932 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:58:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f15.hotmail.com [216.32.181.15]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA10684 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:28:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 8533 invoked by uid 0); 10 Apr 2000 05:28:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000410052829.8532.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.200.98.89 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 22:28:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.98.89] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proposal Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:28:29 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >OR a move containing a stall other than the basic stalling surface, which >are inside and toe. >My questions are: >1. Is this clear enough? Can anyone think of possible confusion, and or >miss awarded adds this could lead to? Does this come up anywhere else in >the rules? > How about the frigidosis... that's an inside stall but pretty unusual! this is a cheap 1 add, and frigidblender: 2 adds Danny From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 9 22:57:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11927 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:57:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03632 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:45:15 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSR00601ZFFG5@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:45:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:45:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Moves In-reply-to: <20000408173317.67338.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Daniel Lamb Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Daniel Lamb wrote: > Hey I am some what of a beginner and I was wondering what moves are good to > start with. But to let you know I already can do a Dragonfly kick, Butterfly > kick, jester, Clipper and clipper delay, inside/toe/clipper stall. Plus I am > practicing and getting better at around the world. Mirage, Illusion (reverse mirage), Legover, pixie, fairie, pick up. They're all on the move list and you MUST do both sides. Also most any of the two add moves on the move list. When you have them down solid in good long strings, then move on to the 3 add moves, then 4 then 5 then 6 7 8 ...... That should keep you busy for a couple years at least. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 08:15:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12655 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:15:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA23471 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 06:22:46 -0700 Received: from awf108.rh.psu.edu (tnt2-184-19.cac.psu.edu [128.118.184.19]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA281296 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:22:47 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000410092343.0069f08c@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:23:43 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Frigid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A few recent emails have mentioned frigid osis and frigid blender. What are these? Alex From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 08:15:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12650 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:15:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15858 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:27:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA163480 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:27:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunil Subhash Jani To: freestyle list Subject: [freestyle] UCSF JAM lowdown... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org People jammed. If you were there, then you know what happened. If not, then you should have been there (unless of course, you were in Montreal or Wellington). Hein combos were hit. Phat tricks were busted. Burritos for everyone who wanted them. It was a blast. Cannot wait to do it all over again. Thanks to everyone who turned out. 'Twas a blast. Sunil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 21:41:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13769 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:41:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15291 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:52:54 -0700 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.3f.336a45e (4208) for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3f.336a45e.2623df57@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:52:23 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Boasting To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Stylers! I have been on this list for a while now and havent heard very much boasting about phat combos. I just wanna know how all the shredders of the world are progressing. So to start everyone off I just hit butterfly> ripwalk> osis> butterfly> pdx mirage> dlo(drop) That is a bad @$$ line for me!!! Please everyone let it all out, brag a little :) Later Adam Mrosko P.S. Who's all going to the guiness attempt in Sugargrove IL??? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 21:40:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13747 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:40:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05225 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:48:57 -0700 Received: from batty.excite.com ([199.172.152.107]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000410204705.NYPX20348.kuku.excite.com@batty.excite.com> for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:47:05 -0700 Message-ID: <19794811.955399625262.JavaMail.imail@batty.excite.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:47:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Frigid? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 24.200.137.253 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello! Somebody asked what frigid meant. From what I know It means hitting an osis-like move (osis, blender, dyno, any move that ends with an osis motion) without spinning. For example, when doing an osis you stall the bag on the inside of your foot while spinning. You end in the exact same position as a clipper stall so it is fairly easy to get your inside surface flat. If you don't spin, you need to bend your lower back, knee, and ankle in a weird position to get the inside surface of your foot flat. In other words a frigid osis is an inside stall but in your back instead of in front of you. Does it make any sense? It's quite hard to explain a move in english (when it's not your first language) but I tried. -Yacine _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 21:40:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13749 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:40:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA19473 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:23:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 4371 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2000 04:23:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000411042322.4370.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.208] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:23:22 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:23:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] guiness attempt To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup everyone, I was just wondering who all is going to the guiness attempt. Ill be there for sure. If your going, email me personaly and tell me. Id really like to know who im gonna get to see shred it up. Later, Jamez P.S. I just got my sultons tape!!! Everyone and the're mom should have that!!! It gave me sooooo many more Ideas for tricks and combos to skool!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 21:41:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13764 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:41:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail18.bigmailbox.com (mail18.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.49]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12486 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:23:47 -0700 Received: by mail18.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA16078; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:23:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:23:36 -0700 Message-Id: <200004110023.RAA16078@mail18.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [4.4.85.24] From: "Joon Chung" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Shoe comparison Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Last week, after I lost my right Rod Laver (don't ask =P ), I dragged out my ILIE NASTASE Adidas shoes that I had been using previously before I got the Lavers. I modified them exactly as I would a Laver, but its harder to modify (its leather). Anyways, I got a shoe that catches the bag with no effort on the front, and has a huge stalling area on the inside and outside. I can see how dexterities would be difficult because of its weight, but I've never seen anybody with these shoes on and I'm not good @ dexterities. Also, there are new Lavers out... can someone give me info on these? Joon From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 21:41:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13759 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:41:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f219.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.219]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA29278 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:34:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 76633 invoked by uid 0); 10 Apr 2000 16:33:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000410163333.76632.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.132 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:33:33 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.132] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Frigid Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:33:33 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok Derric one last try, could you please put frigidosis on the moves list. It doesn't need to be notated, just like clipper and toe stall aren't really notated, it's just a basic trick, if somewhat hard to explain. 1 add, but then who still beileves that the add system works anyway? Moveing right along Alexander Faber wrote: >A few recent emails have mentioned frigid osis and frigid blender. What >are these? A frigid osis is an inside delay done on the outside of the body. For example, start with a left inside delay, then rotate your foot clockwise till your foot (and the bag) are on the outside of your leg, ruffly in clipper position. Visually it looks a lot like you began to do an osis but stoped, hence the name. Along the same lines frigid blender, is a blender that was stoped in a frigid osis instead of rotating into cliper. Making it a whoping 2 adds and a whole lot harder than regular blender at 4 adds. Clear as mud? -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 21:41:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13754 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:41:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail2.sas.upenn.edu (anaro@MAIL2.SAS.UPENN.EDU [165.123.26.33]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29152 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:31:01 -0700 Received: (from anaro@localhost) by mail2.sas.upenn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SAS.05) id MAA25729; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:30:44 -0400 (EDT) From: anaro@sas.upenn.edu (Alessandre S Naro) Message-Id: <200004101630.MAA25729@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] UCSF JAM lowdown... To: sjani@itsa.ucsf.edu (Sunil Subhash Jani) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: from "Sunil Subhash Jani" at Apr 10, 2000 02:27:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org That's it?? A super sick event and no reports on what records were blasted and what barriers were broken?? A who's HOT and who's NOT? Some of us are sitting in offices on the East Coast where it was snowing Sunday. We NEED the low down... So spill the beans buddy... :-) Lates, AN From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 13:39:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14920 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:39:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16006 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:28:48 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSV00G01CVTOK@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:28:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:28:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shoe comparison and modification In-reply-to: <200004110023.RAA16078@mail18.bigmailbox.com> To: Joon Chung Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Joon Chung wrote: > Also, there are new Lavers out... can someone give me info on these? They are the Millennium edition Rod Lavers. Almost as hard to find as the original ones. Here's the lo-down: They are slightly (emphAsis on slightly) bulkier than the originals. The instep is much more concave, but they can be filled in with Shoe Goo to make it better. The inside canvas layer that I and many others ususally cut away also has a foam layer beneath it which is hard to pick off because it's glued on. I went the extra mile and took sand paper to it and now it's gone. They are about half the weight as the old ones which throws off your timing for the first day you kick in them, but then everything's cream cheese. The only down side is that the nylon Might be slightly thicker on the new ones, though I personally can't tell the difference. I personally have never kicked better. I have been breaking personal records on back to back tricks and string length ever since I switched to the Millenniums. I feel like they have broken a glass ceiling that I'd hit a few months ago. Later all, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 13:42:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14934 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:42:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14931 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:42:40 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16399 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:38:22 -0700 Received: from kaos (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12517 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.67.46.8] by kaos (8.8.8+Sun/Spike-2.0) id NAA22168; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200004112033.NAA14854@list.footbag.org> References: <200004112033.NAA14854@list.footbag.org> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:37:54 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shoe comparison and modification Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Joon Chung wrote: > Also, there are new Lavers out... can someone give me info on these? Please always check the FAQ before posting questions. http://www.footbag.org/facts/show/953170515 Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 13:52:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14987 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:52:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16650 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:44:20 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSV00H01DLWUL@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:44:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] new trick? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Maybe, maybe not! Sunil, you may have hit this. It's a miraging butterfly. Toe-stepping butterfly. toe> op in (plant)> same out> op clip I've been hitting this pretty frequently and I've never seen it before. Here're a few I've never hit. They just popped into mind and I know they are very possible so maybe some's hit them or will give it a try. Toe Barroque Toe Grave Digger Pdx Barroque This may be sick and twisted, but Blurry Barroque Has anyone ever tried Shooting Double Leg-over? Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 13:59:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15016 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:59:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17073 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:52:51 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSV00H01E04OU@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:52:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:52:51 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Weak side To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does anyone else out there think it's absolutely amazing when you start hitting tricks better weak side than you ever did good side. Just the other day I was schooling and I started working Blurry Whirl. I hit it a long time ago on my good side and worked it for a while then stopped using it because I couldn't get it consistent. So the other day I decided I wanted to get it back and keep it going. I couldn't hit my good side at all, but my weak side was incredible. I was even able to play in and out of it. Another amazing thing is that my pdx whirls aren't that great. For some reason the blurry or stepping versions of some tricks tend to come a little easier. Enough from me, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 18:59:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15563 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:59:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ux4.isu.edu (mta@ux4.isu.edu [134.50.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17635 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:03:08 -0700 Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.103.12]) by ux4.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA61A6; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:05:03 -0600 Message-ID: <38F393E6.750C6764@isu.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:06:46 -0600 From: Bob Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Kaplan , "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: Re: [freestyle] new trick? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Kaplan wrote: > > Maybe, maybe not! Sunil, you may have hit this. > > It's a miraging butterfly. Toe-stepping butterfly. > > toe> op in (plant)> same out> op clip > > I've been hitting this pretty frequently and I've never seen it > >before. > Though I've never seen it, I seem to remember hearing that Ian Dubman was hitting this. Bob From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 18:59:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15568 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:59:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhost.cmc.net (mailhost.cmc.net [206.102.31.250]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18885 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:36:59 -0700 Received: from cmc.net (pm4-65.chico.cmc.net [12.7.203.66]) by mailhost.cmc.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA08072 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38F39AEA.EF6EC63F@cmc.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:36:43 -0700 From: Joshua Feltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] dirty juice modification Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Greetings Everybody-- I have heard quite a few complaints about the leakiness of the dirty juice, so I thought I would pass this on. Please forgive my long-windedness, but it has been a while since I posted anything to the list :-) My wife got me a dirty juice for x-mas, and it leaked sand from the moment I got it. After it broke in a bit, the leakage was almost comical, but became a real pain. I found myself not playing with an otherwise great bag just cause it was so messy. Well, I think I found a solution. Someone on the list had mentioned that someone (Carol Wedemeyer maybe?--I can't remember) was filling bags with seed beads for stallability without leakage. I decided to try it. I emptied all the sand out, washed it, and then filled it with seed beads ($1.75/30 grams or so at Wal-Mart) I have only kicked with it a bit since making the switch, but so far it seems to work great. Still very stallable, and none of the beads are coming out the seams. If you are interested in the particulars of how I did it, read on: first i made a funnel out of a drinking straw and carefully worked it between seams. then i drained all the sand out. I then washed the empty bag and let it dry. I started out trying to put the seed beads in through the same straw funnel, but found that it was easier to just make an opening between seams with a pencil and pour the beads in through the hole a bit at a time. Just roll the bag in your hands for a bit and the seams should seal right back up. Be careful that you don't rip anything. If you are as annoyed by your dirty juice as i was, give this a try. if you don't like it, you can always put the sand back in. Happy kicking, Joshua Feltman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 18:59:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15585 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:59:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f120.hotmail.com [216.32.181.120]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA20575 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:28:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 12536 invoked by uid 0); 11 Apr 2000 22:28:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000411222820.12535.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.213.43.251 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:28:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.213.43.251] From: "tom labeff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Infinity Zoid Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:28:20 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey I just thought of this. Brad Kaplan accurately described the zoid set as follows: Let's say you are setting from right toe. Keep your right foot planted on the ground with the bag on it, now pick up your left leg and cross it over the other leg (it's kind of like you are doing the dex before the bag comes up in the air), now set the bag. Is infinity zoid possible? Would that follow the guidlines of infinity style moves? -Zoid set right toe, delay with the left toe, zoid set with left toe, delay right toe....etc I don't know. In my mind it looks good, it looks infinity. The only thing that throws me is, the stopping in between zoids. James, can you imagine this? Wouldn't it looks smooth if you could almost wholly eliminate the pause in between? By the way, how is your right footed zoids coming? I have been trying to get my left leg broke in...I now see how very important it is to practice on both sides. I hope Southern was a blast. I haven't been to any tournaments yet, only been playing for a year and a half. I'll be at World's this year...driving cross country. Also, I think I made up a move. I call it scoliosis. You delay the footbag on your back, then roll it off into an osis. I'm going to feel like an ass if someone already made it up. Thomas LaBeff From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 18:59:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15573 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:59:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f112.hotmail.com [216.32.181.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA20079 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:14:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 28104 invoked by uid 0); 11 Apr 2000 22:13:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000411221336.28103.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.210.28.48 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:13:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.210.28.48] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Weak side Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:13:36 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Brad wrote: >Another amazing thing is that my pdx whirls aren't that great. For >some reason the blurry or stepping versions of some tricks tend to >come a >little easier. Well, I can identify a little. I have had the biggest problem with whirls since I started skooling them last summer. After a while I decided to hit pdx whirl, doing the whirl dex on the side I was practicing for so long. Well, I got it and I now find that I can hit pdx whirl better than I can hit a regular whirl. It's really weird! I still need to work on my whirls though. Lates, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 21:38:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15863 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:38:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f15.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.15]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA31813 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:31:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 37264 invoked by uid 0); 12 Apr 2000 04:30:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000412043055.37263.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 168.191.61.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:30:55 PDT X-Originating-IP: [168.191.61.83] From: "Daryl Bacon" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] scoliosis Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:30:55 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Also, I think I made up a move. I call it scoliosis. You delay the >footbag >on your back, then roll it off into an osis. I'm going to feel like an ass >if someone already made it up. > >Thomas LaBeff Its funny that you use that name.... tony carter-piff was calling a move that he pulls (with great style) scoliosis..... Its not the official name for it but it was what he jokingly had named it because of the way he teaks his back it. I cant explain how he pulled it exactley cause im not positive but its a dragon delay while half spinning... thats how i remembered it.... its all style, and leave it to piff to be that creative... anyways i think that name is keeper to some move eventually........ [½.:…ƒ'†…:.½.½.:…ƒ'†…:.½.daryl] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 22:24:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15952 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:24:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01331 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:15:34 -0700 Received: from piff (d143.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.143]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with SMTP id BAA22765; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00e801bfa43d$c7541540$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Reply-To: "tony carter-piff" From: "tony carter-piff" To: "Daryl Bacon" , References: <20000412043055.37263.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] scoliosis Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:13:02 -0400 Organization: swarthmore college MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Its funny that you use that name.... tony carter-piff was calling a > move that he pulls (with great style) scoliosis..... Its not the official > name for it but it was what he jokingly had named it because of the way he > teaks his back it. I cant explain how he pulled it exactley cause im not > positive but its a dragon delay while half spinning. naw, i didnt name it, daryl. you did. funny, though, 'cause what you actually called it was "multiple sclerosis." it was a sort of refracting/butter dragon. i hear john schneider has pulled real dragon refractions. true? anyway, scoliosis and (multiple) sclerosis are dandy names for some yet-to-be-pulled body-wrecking moves somehow involving osis. any doctor-types out there know what -osis means? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 09:39:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16757 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:39:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18066 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:00:54 -0700 Received: from awf108.rh.psu.edu (tnt2-184-113.cac.psu.edu [128.118.184.113]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA60658 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:00:55 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000412110001.0069f178@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:00:01 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: Re: [freestyle] scoliosis In-Reply-To: <00e801bfa43d$c7541540$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> References: <20000412043055.37263.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 01:13 AM 4/12/00 -0400, tony carter-piff wrote: >any doctor-types out there know what -osis means? > > [From Oxford American Dictionary] -osis: denoting a process or condition, esp. a pathological state Alex From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 09:39:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16762 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:39:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f202.hotmail.com [216.32.181.202]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA15255 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:13:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 76961 invoked by uid 0); 12 Apr 2000 13:12:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000412131240.76960.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.211.132.24 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:12:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.211.132.24] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] scoliosis Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:12:40 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "tom labeff" >Also, I think I made up a move. I call it scoliosis. You delay the >footbag >on your back, then roll it off into an osis. I'm going to feel like an ass >if someone already made it up. I already hit this move a couple of time but not constantly, I think the best way to do hit it is blindly, stall it on your back, then without watching let it roll on your osis. I didn't have any name for this move and scoliosis is cool! Danny From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 09:39:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16754 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:39:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 2831 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2000 15:58:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000412155837.2830.qmail@web2002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.159.145] by web2002.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:58:37 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:58:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] NEW LAVER LOWDOWN To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Guess what folks. The Laver Milleniums are no longer on the market. I called factory direct and they said they introduced them last October and they didn't sell very well, so the only way to get them at present is if a store happens to have them in stock (very slim now- not even Adidas' main retailer Three Stripe has them). They also said, however, they will reintroduce them again at some point- they couldn't give me a timeframe. If anyone knows of a store near them which has some in stock, please email me personally with the address and phone number, if posible. I will be very grateful. Thanks, Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 13:48:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17090 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:48:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f8.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.8]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26558 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:19:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 37915 invoked by uid 0); 12 Apr 2000 19:19:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000412191902.37914.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.161.154 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:19:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.161.154] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proposal Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:19:01 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello fellow footbaggers, from the greenest member of the IFC. I've already sent a message directly to Andrew on the proposal, but I thought I should reply to the list as well -- to perhaps stir up some discussion. My position is this: I believe in consistency in awarding unusual status. If it's unusual, it should be so for kicks, stalls, whatever. Since the proposal prescribes a different set of basic kicking surfaces for kicks and stalls, I will not support it. However, I, and I'm sure the rest of IFC, are not against the idea of revising the list of basic kicking surfaces. The proposal intimates that outsides and knees should be removed from the list and made "unusual." Any arguments pro or con? Dan Kramer IFC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 14:46:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17166 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:46:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from alberti.unh.edu (root@alberti.unh.edu [132.177.137.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32191 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:31:38 -0700 Received: from cisunix.unh.edu (student3-0123.unh.edu [132.177.64.123]) by alberti.unh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA86210 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F4EA28.2919CAC3@cisunix.unh.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:27:05 -0400 From: Mark Wride X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] double dexterities Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi guys! This is my first time posting to the list! I've been following this list religiously for 1.5 yrs., but have been too intimidated to actually become a member. I've hacked for a LONG time, but I discovered footbag.org only 2 yrs. ago; NOW I know what's truly possible with these little bags of cloth! Thanks Steve! My first posting is a question: What hurdles did you guys overcome to start doing double dexterities? Right now I'm practicing my tiltless strings and I have my pixie legover pretty much dialed, but double around the world seems so far away... Is it speed, leg strength, both of these and more? When did you guys break away from single dexterity moves? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! Mark Wride From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 15:26:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17215 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:26:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01423 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:14:19 -0700 Message-Id: <200004122214.PAA01423@Market.NET> Received: (qmail 13332 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2000 22:14:21 -0000 Received: from chi-ras-1-209-112-95-44.mc.net (HELO ?209.112.95.44?) (209.112.95.44) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 12 Apr 2000 22:14:21 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:00:28 -0500 Subject: [freestyle] Beginning Freestyle From: "Colin Larson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I just started playing footbag a few weeks ago in a circle at lunch hour at school. I found it to be really fun and challenging. So I went on the web and found footbag.org and went from there. Right now I am kicking with some cheap shoes from walmart that have a really nice flat toe design, they kind of resemble lavers. My footbag is a homemade one made out of popcorn seeds and a sock (surprisingly very round and easy to stall). I ordered my lavers and a synthetic juice, plus the tricks of the trade video. I can do toe stalls and I just started nailing around the world toe stalls about 10 minutes ago in my living room =) So, where should I go from here? I'm kind of confused after reading the modification instructions for the shoes.. I think I might end up with half a shoe left after I get done or something. Are there any clearer instructions available? I also found it very hard to do everything with my left foot, I can do a toe stall every once in a while and I can kick with it alright, but its hard to concentrate on that foot when I'm learning all the new things with my right foot. Any suggestions? Also, what tricks should I learn next? I can stall inside stalls, but I have problems putting the bag back in the air. thanks for your help! -Colin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 15:42:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17266 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:42:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01999 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:32:19 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id f.e2.31a85c1 (3945); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:31:16 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Beginning Freestyle To: colinyc@mc.net, Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear Colin, nice to see a new name on the list, and nice to see you're so enthusiastic about footbag. My two major pieces of advice that should help with the furthering of your footbag career are these: 1) Skool both sides EQUALLY. ALWAYS. ALWAYS. or else you end up like a LOT of use who are really weak on one side and really strong on the other 2) go to all competitions humanly possible. You'd be amazed at the progress you make in 2 days of hard shred with pros. Anyone who's been to a comp will attest to this. That, and footbag people are the nicest folk in the world. Like a combination between hippies and the friendlier of the long-distance running community ;) Keep Kicking, Matt "Clever Nickname" Cross ;) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 19:20:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17714 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:20:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f271.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.148.149]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09496 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:11:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 17542 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 2000 02:10:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000413021035.17541.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.226.208.194 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:10:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.226.208.194] From: "Kavin Thiffault" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] the wall of pain Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:10:35 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Since I'm really into freestyle (september 99) I started to hit some relatively big moves and I learn very fast. But my endless pain near the ankles and the inside of the tibias is my only limits. I can not even try symposium moves because my legs can't stand the landing. What is the cause of this and there is a way to cure this pain by some exercices or something?? Thank you all Kavin "French-guy" Thiffault From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 20:45:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17826 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:45:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA10407 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:38:11 -0700 Message-Id: <200004130238.TAA10407@Market.NET> Received: (qmail 1508 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2000 02:38:13 -0000 Received: from chi-ras-1-209-112-95-44.mc.net (HELO ?209.112.95.44?) (209.112.95.44) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 13 Apr 2000 02:38:13 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:24:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Beginning Freestyle From: "Colin Larson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alright, I worked on my left foot a little and have started to do toe stalls and inside stalls pretty smoothly on it. Didn't take long to pick up. I learned a leg-over, and also did a couple clipper stalls, but those are a pain. I did some legovers with both feet, those aren't too hard. oh well, thanks for all the tips! laterz, -Colin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 20:46:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17837 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:46:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11559 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:20:25 -0700 Received: from storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.240]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E8E1981; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA01301; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:17:48 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQsY5AzXU+fg/11/lsqUwuLAshwTwIVAMRlua1RrdZjmD7KELWDfDtKT0HD From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:17:48 -0400 (EDT) To: hey_dan@hotmail.com (Danny Cardonne) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] scoliosis Message-ID: <22298-38F53C5C-1586@storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Danny Cardonne" 's message of Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:12:40 EDT Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Danny and all, On April 12th Danny wrote; >I already hit this move a couple of time >but not constantly, I think the best way to >do hit it is blindly, stall it on your back, >then without watching let it roll on your >osis. Personally, I always do better when I watch the bag. This is 2 moves, a back delay, and then an osis. Greg From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 20:46:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17848 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:46:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11802 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:29:03 -0700 Received: from storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.240]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E2D1967; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA01921; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:29:06 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQVmP+d+9V+7FvlSpdDwzJuo55d4AIVAI9O9HSTSE8xPfk+RTgf2kLirB0m From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:29:06 -0400 (EDT) To: mwride@cisunix.unh.edu (Mark Wride) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] double dexterities Message-ID: <22296-38F53F02-3021@storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Mark Wride 's message of Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:27:05 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Mark and list, Mark wrote; >Is it speed, leg strength, both of these >and more? When did you guys break >away from single dexterity moves? It doesn't take much more speed or strength to double up on the dexterities. Break the move down into the basic components, then school those until you can dial 'em. As soon as you do this you should be able to bust the double dex barrier. Greg From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 20:46:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17859 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:46:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11843 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:30:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 25476 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2000 03:30:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000413033014.25475.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.206] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:30:14 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:30:14 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] Those New Lavers To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If you want those new lavers, im pretty sure you can still order them at www.feet.com While Im writing I might as well tell every one about my phat combo of the day. I hit an awsome combo(guiltless as always) with tons of 4's, ending in my very first mobius! Followed by an excited hand catch and hopping high five from Adam. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 21:02:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17927 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:02:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12265 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:43:52 -0700 Received: from storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.199.240]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id E94533662; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA02752; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:43:56 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAzQF5TZzw4ZONTssr2k+XW9ARHvACFCi/OIKYqH+MyztTkPXBBVuhN+Ff From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:43:56 -0400 (EDT) To: colinyc@mc.net (Colin Larson) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Beginning Freestyle Message-ID: <22297-38F5427C-2362@storefull-271.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Colin Larson" 's message of Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:00:28 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Colin and everybody, Colin wrote: > >So, where should I go from here? I'm >kind of confused after reading >the >modification instructions for the shoes.. I >think I might end up >with half a shoe left >after I get done or something. Are there >any >clearer instructions available? I also >found it very hard to do >everything with >my left foot, I can do a toe stall every >once in a >while and I can kick with it >alright, but its hard to concentrate on >that >foot when I'm learning all the new things >with my right foot. Any >suggestions? >Also, what tricks should I learn next? I >can stall inside >stalls, but I have >problems putting the bag back in the air. Sounds like you' re doing things right. Don't worry about modifying your shoes until you feel confident about it. Some of the top players do very little to modify their shoes. After you see a modified pair in person, you'll know what to do. You can get really good in whatever shoes you play in. Practice is the key. That reminds me, DEFINITELY practice that left (even if you have to force it). A good way to practice that inside is to throw it to an inside stall, and then launch it back up to your hand. Repeat with the other foot : ) Go to the fw site and practice the basic 2 add moves. Hope this helps. Greg From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 13 10:25:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19109 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:25:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ucsub.Colorado.EDU (ucsub.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18052 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:47:58 -0700 Received: (from schneija@localhost) by ucsub.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/ITS-5.0/standard) id BAA05961 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:48:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Jonathan Schneider Message-Id: <200004130748.BAA05961@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Subject: [freestyle] Re: scoliosis To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:48:01 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Everybody! As long as i'm already writing my opinions to this list tonight, I thought I'd add that I'm not to hip to the name scoliosis. I think diseases are generally a poor topic to pick move names from. When is someone going to hit a Cancer, Coronary, Leprosy, or AIDS? I hope never. If you are just looking for names that end in -OSIS for osis-like moves, than how about Mitosis, Mieosis, Gnosis, Diagnosis, or Hypnosis? And yeah Tony, i've hit a real dragon refraction, its kind of awkward, and I think the move you described sounds like a Firefly Drag. Firefly being a butterfly dragon (much cooler than butterdragon, don't you agree) and Drag being a dragon-osis. Do Firefly and continue to scoop it behind your back from a cross-body position to a regular outside stall position, right? Catch ya.. shapter, dudes Jonathan Schneider Outsider@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 13 10:25:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19114 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:25:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f227.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.227]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA23873 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:42:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 45123 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 2000 11:41:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000413114142.45122.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.135 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:41:42 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.135] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Beginning Freestyle Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:41:42 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Colin Larson "I think I might end up with half a shoe left after I get done or something. Are there any clearer instructions available? " I like to think so. I wrote an illustrated guide a while ago, you can see it at http://members.xoom.com/NemesisDS/freestyle/shoes.html Please note I'm still working on my site's format so if anyone sees anything funky please let me know. More inportant than anything else in this sport, have fun. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 13 10:24:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19089 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:24:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ucsub.Colorado.EDU (ucsub.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17525 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:21:14 -0700 Received: (from schneija@localhost) by ucsub.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/ITS-5.0/standard) id BAA20356 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:21:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Jonathan Schneider Message-Id: <200004130721.BAA20356@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Subject: [freestyle] Re: Proposal To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:21:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Freestylers. In regards to the suggestion that we expand the "Unusual Surface" category of the ADD system to include outside delays and knee delays, and because Dan Kramer asked for our pros and cons, I am NOT in favor of this idea. I have some reasons too. #1. It seems to me that this idea/proposal was brought up in part to address the perceived problem of moves like Dragons, Anchors, and Frigid-osis and Frigid-blender (anyone ever hit frigid-dyno?), whose ADD values do not reflect these moves' actual difficulty. If the outside surface is now an unusual surface, dragons and anchors benefit, but Frigid-Stuff is still left out in the cold, pardon my pun. An answer to these problems should include AT LEAST all of the current difficulties, and hopefully future ones of a similar nature that have not come up yet. Eventually something will. #2. Lets not forget that ADDs-as-reflecting-difficulty is only 1/6th of the score at Worlds and Western Regionals. Adds are also used for another 2/6ths of the formula in order to score one's variety. Unusual Surfaces is a very challenging card to fill, even though it is the smallest. I think this challenge is a good thing. It has pushed me to add unusual moves to my repetoir, to expand my bag of tricks. Lets look at what might happen to this catagory under this proposal. And here I'm considering mostly Dan Kramer's point of view that we should retain consistency between kicks an stalls; a stall on a surface should not be unusual if a kick is not (anyone ever done any kind of dragon kick? I've tried flying dragon kick, but that is very awkward). An outside stall will now get a point on the unusual surface card, just like a sole stall would. A stall on the top of the knee would be awarded an ADD on the unusual card, just like a squeeze. And if we are consistent between kicks and stalls, as I think we should be, then an outside kick is also as valuable as sole kick. I think this would diminish the Unusual Surface catagory, and detracts from the value of truly unusual moves like a cross-body squeeze or a flying flapper. People could concievably max out the unusual card with relative ease and never use a sole or squeeze of back or head. I agree that a miraging outside stall is more difficult than a miraging toe stall. But I think that miraging inside stall is also more difficult. And a drifter is more difficult than a butterfly, and doing a paradox reverse-mirage is more difficult (to do cleanly) than a regular paradox mirage, and the list goes on. does a drifter really need another ADD to be worth your time? The ADDs , additional elements, are not there just to a move's difficulty, but its complexity. For many advanced players clippers are no more difficult than inside stalls. So why do we still give then more ADDs? Because they are obviously a more complex move than an inside stall. Drifter is not more complex than Butterfly. An outside stall is no more complex than an inside stall. DRAGONS ARE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE COMPLEX THAN CLIPPERS. I'm not saying than they are just as easy as clipper, but they are still in the same league, the same ballpark, as drifters are still in the same league as butterflies. I believe that when doing a butterfly to dragon (Firefly), it is more difficult to stall the bag in the cross-body-outside position than it is to just keep moving with the bag on your foot and bring your leg around so that you set it off of a regular outside stall. The same applies to Drifter and Dragster, as well as swirling dragon and a swirling dragon-to-a-scoop-around-your-back-to-an-outside (spitfire and flame-thrower). But the latter in all of these cases is still more deserving of an ADD even though arguably easier because they involve the additional element of a "spin" that is like the "spin" body add of an osis. Lastly, keep in mind that ADDs are still just half of the score in the Formula Judging System, and are not officially counted at all in the Ranked Component Judging System. In both judging systems there is opportunity to be awarded additional points for dragons, anchors, frigid-moves, etc. under the presentation catagories. It is for presentation points, perhaps the creativity or distribution catagories in the Formula System, or the artistic expression, variety, or originality catagories in the Ranked Component system, that I will risk doing a Dragster or Spit-Fire. Additional, I do these when i shred because they are COOL, and that is enough for me for now. I am also not saying that dragon, anchor, frigid-whatever don't deserve some specific considerations in scoring, but I think that we should not rashly re-organize the Unusual Surface Catagory. I do think that a "Contortion" or "Flex" catagory has some merit This could concievably apply to a move regardless of what surface makes contact with the bag. Thats enough for now. Catch ya.. Shpater, Dudes Jonathan Schneider Outsider@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 13 10:24:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19084 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:24:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx7-37.ix.netcom.com [207.94.122.165]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA16458 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F56989.E79139AF@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:30:33 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] NEW LAVER LOWDOWN References: <20000412155837.2830.qmail@web2002.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I picked up some Millennium Lavers this weekend with a buy one get one free deal (worked out to a $30 pair of shoes). I haven't had a chance to kick in them yet, though I hope to have them broken in before Southern Regionals (April 29-30 in Dallas). Eli and others... a local chain here called Just for Feet has plenty of Lavers... both old and new style. See you guys (and gals) in Dallas - http://www.dallasfootbag.org/southern2000.html -D From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 13 10:25:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19119 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:25:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f238.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.238]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA25503 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 05:11:04 -0700 Received: (qmail 1016 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 2000 12:10:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000413121020.1015.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.135 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 05:10:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.135] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proposal Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 05:10:20 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi List, First I'd like to thank you all. I've recieved some good feedback for my proposal. Daniel Kramer wrote: >My position is this: I believe in consistency in awarding unusual status. >If it's unusual, it should be so for kicks, stalls, whatever. As a quick reminder the jist of my proposal was that knee and outside stalls should be considered unusual while knee and outside kicks should remain normal. To counter Dan's point I feel that the action of stalling either of these tricks makes them unusual, and is a big enough change to merit the extra few words in the rule book. Basicall a knee kick mid run feels normal, while a knee stall mid run feels very unusual. First who thinks this change would be to confusing. Really I cann't see this as being to confusing for players already familiar with the add system, but I may be wrong. Second, I know we have more members of the IFC here than Dan, which of you are for or against this change, and who might be willing to propose it at worlds? So far I've refrained from emailing people personally about this. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 13 22:04:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20172 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:04:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11151 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:57:49 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSZ00F013KE9T@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:57:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:57:50 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Proposal In-reply-to: <200004130721.BAA20356@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> To: Jonathan Schneider Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Half adds!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again and I know nobody cares. Half adds! Take every move component that has been thought of whether it has current add value or not and assign either a full add or a half add or no add at all. Then reevaluate the add score of each and every trick. Some moves will be the same and others different. Tricks like dragon stall might get 2 1/2 adds, or something like that. Okay kill me! Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 13 22:04:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20177 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:04:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f35.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.35]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08768 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:47:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 611 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 2000 19:47:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000413194718.610.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.198.136 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:47:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.198.136] From: "Brian Hines" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] beginner (needing help) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:47:18 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, I am a beginner footbagger and I was wondering if anyone could help me cmoplete a clipper. I can catch it most of the time but I normally fall down backwards. If I catch it and I stay up I can't flip it up so it stays off the ground. if someone could help me it would be much appreciated. I could also use some advice on how to do a wrap. I can get the inside stall but can't move it into the clipper position From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 13 22:05:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20187 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:05:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f195.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.195]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA24595 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:01:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 89371 invoked by uid 0); 14 Apr 2000 03:00:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000414030059.89370.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.161.42.123 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:00:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.161.42.123] From: "jim penske" To: Jonathan.Schneider@Colorado.EDU, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: scoliosis Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 03:00:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey I was wondering if anyone could explain a dragon. I read how to do it on footbag.org but I dont understand it. any tips would be great! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 13 22:05:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20202 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:05:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10648 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:44:23 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSZ00E012Y0C2@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:44:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] scoliosis In-reply-to: <20000412043055.37263.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Daryl Bacon Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > >Also, I think I made up a move. I call it scoliosis. You delay the > >footbag > >on your back, then roll it off into an osis. I'm going to feel like an ass > >if someone already made it up. Man I wish I had my IFC book on me right now because this move already has a name. I saw it in the back of the book in the moves section I think. There were 2 adds awarded for looking as you dropped the bag and 3 if you did it blind. That'll teach me to leave home without my bible. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 13 22:05:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20212 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:05:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f27.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08792 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:48:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 86223 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 2000 19:48:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000413194803.86222.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.65 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:48:03 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.65] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Proposal Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:48:03 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Gang, Jonathan Schneider wrote: >#1. It seems to me that this idea/proposal was brought up in part >to address the perceived problem of moves like Dragons, Anchors, and >Frigid-osis and Frigid-blender Nope. I brough this up because I think knee and outside stalls are always unusual. As a few have brought up outside and knee kicks can some times be unusual, but that is IMO situational. >(anyone ever hit frigid-dyno?) Yes, and frigid motion, stepping frigid dyno and others (sorry for the aside) >If the outside surface is now an unusual surface, dragons and anchors >benefit, but Frigid-Stuff is still left out in the cold As I said, my intent wasn't to fix the add system, which I think should be scraped as a means of judging difficulty. I just wanted to show that knee and outisde stalls are unusual. >An answer to these problems should include AT LEAST all of the >current difficulties, That would be a new system, not just a wording change. I don't think a change has to solve EVERY problem to be valid. >And here I'm considering mostly Dan Kramer's point of view that we >should >retain consistency between kicks an stalls; a stall on a >surface should >not be unusual if a kick is not Why should we retain consistancy, do you really feel this would be to confusing? But let's say my proposal does go through as stated, every move with a knee stall, outside stall or dragon would now be unusual. Tell me this, outside of novice how many knee or outside stalls have you ever seen in competition? Like I said they're unusual, in execution and in their popularity. >And if we are consistent between kicks and stalls, as I think we >should >be, then an outside kick is also as valuable as sole >kick. Now you're arguing against a proposal that I didn't make. >I agree that a miraging outside stall is more difficult than a >miraging >toe stall. But I think that miraging inside stall is also >more difficult. I don't, mirajing inside stall is easier for me. But this isn't speciffically about difficulty, it is about whether knee and outside stalls are unusual, which I feel they are, as well as being acordingly more difficult. >The ADDs , additional elements, are not there just to a move's >difficulty, >but its complexity. And I find dragon as complex as flapper and mirajing outside stall as complex as paradox miraje (actually it tweakes my back a lot worse). Don't forget a move can be very simple and still very complex. Try around the world heal. A very simple move except the stalling surface makes the move very complex, like spinning tear drop, knee leg over, dragon, and others. Even if they become second nature (liek your dragons look) they are still unatural places to stall the ball. At least that's how I feel. >DRAGONS ARE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE COMPLEX THAN CLIPPERS. I feel so. There is a deffinate act of contortion going on, even if they become as easy as clipper. >I believe that when doing a butterfly to dragon (Firefly), it >is more difficult to stall the bag in the cross-body-outside position >than it is to just keep moving with the bag on your foot and bring >your leg around so that you set it off of a regular outside stall. Now you're talking about a different proposal. Have any ideas? >Lastly, keep in mind that ADDs are still just half of the score in >the >Formula Judging System Which is not a reason to ignor miss grouped moves. Some day, I hope, the whole thing will be scraped in favor of something much better, till then let's make what simple changes we can. Thanks for the responce. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 13 22:05:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20222 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:05:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Will Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22524 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:05:02 -0700 Received: by EXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2ZR03DV0>; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:04:56 -0400 Message-ID: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C192012B7@EXCH01> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pixie / Mirage / Clipper Practice Routines Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:04:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Guys, I've gotten to the point once again (Winter Lag) that I am at the level of my same old self. Pixies, Mirages, Clipper Stalls, ATW all on both sides. *Smiles with pride* So my question for all you footbaggers (Is there a better term?) is what are some good routines to practice to build my strings? I can do like 3-4 Pixies alternating sides but I would like to integrate the two add moves and perhaps butterflies which I can nail almost every time. Let me know, Will Wells From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 13 22:20:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20284 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:20:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29262 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:15:18 -0700 Received: from kaos (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17124; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.67.46.8] by kaos (8.8.8+Sun/Spike-2.0) id WAA28830; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:15:23 -0700 To: Brad Kaplan From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] scoliosis Cc: Daryl Bacon , freestyle@footbag.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 2:44 PM -0600 4/13/2000, Brad Kaplan wrote: > Man I wish I had my IFC book on me right now because this move >already has a name. I saw it in the back of the book in the moves section >I think. You're thinking of "anal probe". Not an osis, but a blind pull-through (diffraction) from a back stall. Don't get Scott Davidson started on his blind moves kick (pun intended). Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 15 22:36:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23324 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:36:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from loom.online.ee (loom.online.ee [194.106.96.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA08500 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 05:26:43 -0700 Received: (qmail 14644 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2000 14:26:34 +0200 Received: from hi1-9.dyn.online.ee (HELO kasutaja) (194.106.108.9) by loom.online.ee with SMTP; 14 Apr 2000 14:26:34 +0200 Message-ID: <004801bfa604$8715dc20$096c6ac2@kasutaja> From: "Uve Poom" To: Subject: [freestyle] pixie butterfly w/o a plant Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:27:54 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi again, Me and my friend have been trying to hit pixie butterflies. Sometimes I nail it almost clean, but my friend does it a lil¥ differently. When he completes the first dex he doesn¥t plant the foot, but moves it to the clipper position instantly and then kind of jumps over the bag with the other foot. And he is doing it quite constantly. It would be a five add move if we would go by the book (pixie butterfly4 + symp 1, isn¥t it?). But it actually is somewhat easier than a clean pixie butterfly. So do you pros think it is the fault of the add system (again!!!) or is there another explanation. Over and out Uve "r.o." Poom From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 15 22:38:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23334 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:38:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from loom.online.ee (loom.online.ee [194.106.96.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA08497 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 05:26:40 -0700 Received: (qmail 14632 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2000 14:26:32 +0200 Received: from hi1-9.dyn.online.ee (HELO kasutaja) (194.106.108.9) by loom.online.ee with SMTP; 14 Apr 2000 14:26:32 +0200 Message-ID: <004501bfa604$8621b820$096c6ac2@kasutaja> From: "Uve Poom" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Proposal Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:20:03 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Kaplan wrote: > Half adds!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again and I know > nobody cares. Half adds! I care. I think it¥s very good idea, since there are a lot of tricks on the first 2 or 3 adds that aren¥t worth what they are said to be, but are somewhere in between. Take the hop over for an example. It is sooo much harder than walkover(!!!), wrap or heel stall. And it includes symp (tell me in which part the dex is not symp) and a xbd, so it should be a 3 add move. Another way would be to reduce walk over to 1 1/2 adds, which seems fair to me aswell. > Take every move component that has been thought of whether it has > current add value or not and assign either a full add or a half add or no > add at all. Then reevaluate the add score of each and every trick. Some > moves will be the same and others different. Tricks like dragon stall > might get 2 1/2 adds, or something like that. > Okay kill me! Dragons desrve at least half adds. I havn¥t hit one, but that¥s because they are hard and more complex than clippers. That¥s all from me, I¥ll go organize my funeral now :) Uve "r.o." Poom From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 15 22:38:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23346 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:38:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f40.hotmail.com [216.32.181.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA13877 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:14:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 31759 invoked by uid 0); 14 Apr 2000 15:13:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000414151337.31758.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.213.43.194 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:13:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.213.43.194] From: "Tom LaBeff" To: brian_h@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] beginner (needing help) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:13:37 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brian, Thanks for asking. I was told (and this worked) a great tip for doing wrap. Instead of doing an inside stall, stopping, then trying to wrap... bring the foot that you will do the wrap with higher than you usually would for an inside stall. (greet it higher in the air) As soon as it is beggining to stall, start to 'sit' with your support leg (crouch), than the next part will take a little balance and practice, but just scoop it under the support leg, which should be bent quite a bit. Also, if you ever have a question on a move, their is very good tips on the freestyle move list at www.footbag.org/freestyle Good Luck Brian Thomas LaBeff From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 15 22:38:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23357 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:38:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web705.mail.yahoo.com (web705.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.25]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA15098 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:50:24 -0700 Received: (qmail 22325 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2000 15:50:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000414155028.22324.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.79.187.190] by web705.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:50:28 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:50:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Wollick Subject: [freestyle] unusual? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i personally don't think knees or outsides should get an unusual add. yeah, knees are a little weird, but not like using the bottom of your foot. i don't know where the idea for an outside stall being unusual came from. that was like the first stall i learned and i still use it pretty often when learning tricks. an example would be like pixie tricks. i personally believe that it's easier to do a pixie trick from an outside delay than a toe. of course, a dragon is an unusual stall, but it's not an unusual surface. i don't even know anymore :( sniffle sniffle. i see the whole add system crubling before my eyes. heh. -chris From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 15 22:38:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23372 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:38:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21697 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:06:02 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FT000B01T1XFY@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:05:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:05:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie / Mirage / Clipper Practice Routines In-reply-to: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C192012B7@EXCH01> To: Will Wells Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Will Wells wrote: > Pixies, Mirages, Clipper Stalls, ATW all on both sides. > So my question for all you footbaggers (Is there a better term?) is what > are some good routines to practice to build my strings? > I can do like 3-4 Pixies alternating sides but I would like to integrate > the two add moves and perhaps butterflies which I can nail almost every > time. Make up some combo drills. Like you said, just alternate the tricks. Here're some: ATW> mirage> pixie> ATW> mirage> Pixie> clipper> mirage> pixie> clipper> mirage> pixie. Clipper> clipper> mirage> butterfly> mirage> pixie> mirage> butterfly. Just take all the tricks you know and link them together. Also go to the move list and add another trick or two to get good variety. Good luck, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 15 22:39:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23383 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:39:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22190 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:17:59 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FT000B01TM1EV@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:18:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] beginner (needing help) In-reply-to: <20000413194718.610.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Brian Hines Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Practice clippers without the bag. Just an up and down motion that allows you to look at the configuration of your foot and whether or not it's flat enough or if you have the strength to do the up and down. If your foot isn't flat enough try curling your toes in and flexing your big toe out. It sounds stupid, but it gives you an extra bit of flex in your ankle. Also remember to bend your knees. If you're standing straight up then it might be what causes you to fall over.. Good luck, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 15 22:40:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23405 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:40:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08991 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:48:00 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx11-43.ix.netcom.com [207.94.124.171]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA31301 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F7F5D8.4C658DCC@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:53:44 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Frigid References: <20000410163333.76632.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Andrew McCargar wrote: > > Ok Derric one last try, could you please put frigidosis on the moves list. It is now on the moves list under the one ADD moves. It is a very hard move to describe, so I encourage all of you who are hitting this to leave your tips on Steve's handy dandy advice feature. If you are having trouble visualizing the move with descriptions and all, come to Southern Regionals (Apr 29-30). I have footage from '98 Southern Regionals with Rippin' Rick Reese hitting a frigidosis. I had to rewind a couple of times before I could get it myself. And, to keep the tradition alive, I will hit a frigidosis at 2000 Southern Regionals... Oh yes, mark my words... Though I have never hit a frigid-dyno, I will do a couple of those too. Don't beleive me? Come see for yourself. Details about the tournament are all on http://www.dallasfootbag.org Just click on the 'events' link. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 15 22:40:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23420 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:40:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09411 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:10:33 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx11-43.ix.netcom.com [207.94.124.171]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA31239 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 01:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F7FB22.85AD5E98@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:16:18 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Moves References: <20000408173317.67338.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Daniel Lamb wrote: > > Hey I am some what of a beginner and I was wondering what moves are good to > start with. But to let you know I already can do a Dragonfly kick, Butterfly > kick, jester, Clipper and clipper delay, inside/toe/clipper stall. Plus I am > practicing and getting better at around the world. Ahhh... I've been away for too long. AT&T@home cable service sucks... just so everyone knows. In response to your question, try all the moves on footbag.org Start with the 2 ADD moves. Find the ones that feel easiest for you and get them down both sides. Then, look at the 3 ADD moves. If you can master each of the 2 and 3 ADD moves on both sides, you will have a *very* solid foundation for all other tricks. The best way to improve is to get advice from other players. Go to tournaments. Introduce yourself to people. Most people are cool about helping out the beginners. After all, you are the future of the sport. Later. -Derric Dallas Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 15 22:40:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23431 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:40:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09597 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:18:44 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx11-43.ix.netcom.com [207.94.124.171]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA32221 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 01:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F7FD10.D107AD38@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:24:32 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: dragon moves (was: Re: [freestyle] Re: scoliosis) References: <200004130748.BAA05961@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jonathan Schneider wrote: > > As long as i'm already writing my opinions to this list > tonight, I thought I'd add that I'm not to hip to the name > scoliosis. I think diseases are generally a poor topic to pick move > names from. Thank you. I'm glad someone said that. > And yeah Tony, i've hit a real dragon refraction, its kind of > awkward, and I think the move you described sounds like a Firefly > Drag. Firefly being a butterfly dragon (much cooler than > butterdragon, don't you agree) and Drag being a dragon-osis. So, this Drag. How would you notate this? Would you call it a 2 ADD move? I know that ADDs suck and all, but I will get this on the moves list if I can figure out how and where it goes. Also, when you do a firefly to a drag, is that one or two moves? And, you mentioned a dragon refraction. You lost me. How is this possible? Are you coming to this year's Southern to show me in person? It would be great to have you again. -D From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 15 22:40:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23450 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:40:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web3403.mail.yahoo.com (web3403.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.57]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA32266 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:55:21 -0700 Message-ID: <20000415175455.21121.qmail@web3403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.49.164.9] by web3403.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:54:55 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:54:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Owen Parrish Subject: [freestyle] Like a Bike To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just got done with my first shred session of the spring. This is the first shredding i've done sine shortly after the Eastmust Jam. I'm amazed. I think shredding is like riding a bike. I picked up right where i left off. I hit toe>same in>op out>same toe (whatever that is) on the third try. That was my first double dex move and i hit it at Eastmust. Wow. I'm really excited. I look forward to a spring and summer (and hopefully I can keep it up over the fall and winter). Alright, I'm done saying whatever i was saying. Owen "Total Package" Parrish P.S. still didn't hit Osis steve. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 15 22:41:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23461 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:41:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09761 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:27:53 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx11-43.ix.netcom.com [207.94.124.171]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA15568 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 01:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F7FF36.9DEB1C99@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:33:42 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Boasting References: <3f.336a45e.2623df57@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adam Mrosko wrote: > > I have been on this list for a while now and havent heard very much boasting > about phat combos. I just wanna know how all the shredders of the world are > progressing. Ok. Here goes. I'm going to start another ADD controversy with this one. How about: pdx symposium reverse whirl > spinning symposium reveserse whirl a few blur > legbeaters (or the occasional flux) and, finally, that weak side blur > paradon Nothing too huge, but I'm getting the string length up there. Get ready for some new videos on dallasfootbag.org Hopefully we'll have some good club footage to put up there soon. Later. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 15 22:41:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23496 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:41:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Will Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01046 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:21:39 -0700 Received: by EXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2ZR03H65>; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:21:42 -0400 Message-ID: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C192012BF@EXCH01> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Warm Up Time Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:21:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, I have found recently that a warm up(I play Volleyball for an hour or two) really, really helps to make the moves feel easier and more fluid. It basically loosens my legs and even though they might feel slightly worn out I find myself doing things I couldn't before when I only played for 45-60 Minutes at a time. Another factor is shorts which make almost any DEX move easier. So with a warm up and shorts and some decent shoes anything is possible... Just thought I'd share this insight that I am psyched about. Will Wells From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 17 12:46:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26305 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:46:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web213.mail.yahoo.com (web213.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20208 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:48:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 23498 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2000 03:48:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000417034821.23497.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.58.253] by web213.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:48:20 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:48:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zerbe Subject: [freestyle] new move! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there I hit a new move today, spinning ducking eclipse, I call it equinox. Eli got it on tape. Alex Zerbe P.S. I also hit bad side legbeater to infinity swirl From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 17 12:46:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26310 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:46:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Will Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25148 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 11:18:33 -0700 Received: by EXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:18:38 -0400 Message-ID: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C192012C1@EXCH01> To: vesihydr@delfi.ee, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] pixie butterfly w/o a plant Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:18:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id LAA24487 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Uve Wrote: >When he completes the first dex he doesn*t plant the foot, but moves it >to the clipper position instantly and then kind of jumps over the bag >with the other foot. >It would be a five add move I too have come across this move and foun dit easier and theoretically easier than Pixie Butterfly with a plant. Essentially it is the same move except with a slurred Dex (the hop over and no plant) and i think it is still the same adds. I wrote a little splur about it under its page on footbag.org http://www.footbag.org/moves/show/904102087 DERRIC SCALF WROTE: The move you are describing is a pixie butterfly without the plant. I think this move looks great. But, it isn't as hard as a pixie butterfly with the plant, so it doesn't get as much respect. Without the plant, it gets easy to "slur" the move - meaning that the dexes aren't clean. But, hey, do it whatever way you want. Peace Out, Will Wells From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 17 12:47:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26327 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:47:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12536 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:23:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 17673 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2000 00:23:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000417002330.17672.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.183] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:23:30 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:23:30 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Boasting To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Get >ready >for some new videos on dallasfootbag.org Hopefully >we'll have some >good >club footage to put up there soon. Later. YES!!! I love shred vids!!! And now for my boasting...... 1) blurry whirl to spinning butterfly-twice in the same string.... 2) blurry whirls op sides in the same string 3) occasional pdx torques 4) ripwalks and blurs as easy as toes stalls 5) stepping pdx syp mirage (1st try!!!) 6) hit (sealed) another flurry 7) hit (hand catch) another pdx syp whirl 8) almost got a stepping (gimpy) double down 9) finally got to witness live shred!!! that about wraps it up, Jamez P.S. Phil Summers, Ziek (mispelled, I know it) Davidson, Greg, and others (the guy that hit the blurry whirl 1 time) You all RULE!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 17 12:47:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26338 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:47:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f190.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.190]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12867 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:21:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 3843 invoked by uid 0); 17 Apr 2000 17:20:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000417172045.3842.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.209.15 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:20:44 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.209.15] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] new trick? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:20:44 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad and list... No, not new. I have hit this on many occasions and Sunil had told me that he too was hitting it often quite a while back--several months. We were trying to figure out what to call it, I am not huge on nomenclature but I believe it fell under the quantum set category...could be wrong on that so do your research if you are in doubt. And, it is funny that you mention shooting dlo, I thought about this a few weeks ago after a post that quoted a similar move but set from toe(first dex was proposed as pixie style). Seems like a very hittable 4 dex. I tried to no avail, but anyone with a mean shooting set should be getting very close if not hitting it. later, Ian D. PS I apologize if this has been answered or is out of date, I have been out of town for over a week--no email. > It's a miraging butterfly. Toe-stepping butterfly. > toe> op in (plant)> same out> op clip > Has anyone ever tried Shooting Double Leg-over? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 17 12:47:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26349 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:47:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f60.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14443 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:52:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 83438 invoked by uid 0); 17 Apr 2000 17:52:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000417175225.83437.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.209.15 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:52:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.209.15] From: "Ian Dubman" To: Jonathan.Schneider@Colorado.EDU, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: scoliosis Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:52:25 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Jonathan Schneider I think diseases are generally a poor topic to pick move >names from. I totally agree Jonathan. I have been slowly moving thru my inbox (85 messages...busy week fellows). Anyhow, I see all this talk about scholiosis and sclerosis, not cool names at all. I have been throwing around the idea of doing a footbag and juggling demo at a local hospital for some CF (cystic fibrosis) patients... I could see one of them asking what a particular move was that just happened to be named for the disease that afflicts them---not cool at all. Derogatory names--be them slams against sexualality, non pc names (ie. wifebeater), names of diseases, etc--are not too cool in my opinion. There are thousands and thousands of phat names out there. Check out Jonathan's list of osis words for example... here are two more I thought of real quick: apoptosis and prognosis. Thanx for listening (reading, whatever...). Delete this message now, for it will self destruct in 5 seconds. Later Ian D From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 17 15:44:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26551 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:44:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23872 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:32:29 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:30:27 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFA882.133F65C0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:32:01 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFA882.133F65C0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Proposal Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:31:59 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Half adds!!! I've said it before and I'll say it again and I know >nobody cares. Half adds! >Okay kill me! >Brad Bang!... your dead... :) you asked for it Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 17 18:07:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26866 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:07:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from chef.creighton.edu (chef.creighton.edu [147.134.5.48]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29026 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:56:33 -0700 Received: from CSS_DOM-Message_Server by chef.creighton.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:49:47 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:49:10 -0500 From: "Sean Wingert" To: Subject: [freestyle] Creighton University Footbag Club Back Online (www.creighton.edu/footbag) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id SAA26850 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, In case any of you have been trying to reach the VIDEOS webpage for Creighton University's Footbag Club (to order or refer people to Shredded Wheat, Skool Daze, or '98 UQAM Jam), you probably know that it DIED -- the website, not the club. I just updated and revived it... http:www.creighton.edu/footbag Thanks, Sean From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 17 21:09:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27001 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:09:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00979 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:44:49 -0700 Received: from awf108.rh.psu.edu (tnt1-38-134.cac.psu.edu [128.118.38.134]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA96530 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:44:39 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000417220016.006aea48@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:00:16 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Southern Illinois Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What up, fellow shredders? I'm making a change of venue to live with my mom and take classes this summer very near Carbondale, Illinois (location of Southern Illinois University). What's the shred scene like there? Is there anyone in that area that would be interested in getting together this summer to shred? I saw there's a club in the area, but it looks all net. Am I wrong? Anyway, give me a holler. I'd be most enthused to find some peops to shred with. Alex (Integer, of the Penn State Trio) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 17 23:17:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27121 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:17:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu10.smtp.email.msn.com [207.46.181.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04364 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:58:43 -0700 Received: from czpwa - 204.32.148.198 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:57:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001001bfa903$be197a40$20a55ccf@czpwa> From: "Richard Reese" To: "Derric Scalf" Cc: References: <3f.336a45e.2623df57@aol.com> <38F7FF36.9DEB1C99@dallasfootbag.org> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Boasting Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:59:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was just checking out some mail and saw some boasting going on. What I want to do is talk about other people and their phat sh#* being hit! Genzu(Daryl Genz) was getting nasty with some long Tripless combos last weekend. From his textbook ripwalks, legbeaters, blurs, pixiebtflys,pdoxwhirls,steppingbtflys,etc..... all included and then some in a 22 contact tripless string was something to boast about. Although I will tell you one move I did hit the other day, because Daryl had his head turned, was an inspinning gyro butterfly. Keep on boasting everybody. Later, Rippin. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 18 11:41:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27785 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:41:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23871 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:51:03 -0700 Received: from magic.excite.com ([199.172.148.161]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000418165034.IVIH9206.gigi.excite.com@magic.excite.com> for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:50:34 -0700 Message-ID: <24901982.956076634008.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:50:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Huge combo! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.146.134.192 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello! Boasting? Mmmm... Marc Giard sealed spinning dragon to double-spinning clipper a few times this week-end. Phat. Shred on! -Yacine _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 18 13:17:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27911 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:17:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30478 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:03:45 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FT800301AEANE@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:03:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:03:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Like a Bike In-reply-to: <20000415175455.21121.qmail@web3403.mail.yahoo.com> To: Owen Parrish Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Owen Parrish wrote: > shredding is like riding a bike. I picked up right > where i left off. I hit toe>same in>op out>same toe > (whatever that is) Pixie Leg-over! Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 18 13:31:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27938 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:31:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30903 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:17:53 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FT800401B1WTW@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:17:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:17:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] unusual? In-reply-to: <20000414155028.22324.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> To: Chris Wollick Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Chris Wollick wrote: > i don't know > where the idea for an outside stall being unusual came > from. that was like the first stall i learned and i > still use it pretty often when learning tricks. an > example would be like pixie tricks. i personally > believe that it's easier to do a pixie trick from an > outside delay than a toe. Yes it's an easy place to set a pixie from and it's an easy place to do a regular old delay. But how about fairie sets from an outside, or atomic/tapping/quantum? But that's not under debate. The debate is doing a trick that involves some other movements like spins and dexes and then delaying the bag on the outside of the foot as the finish. Is it harder and does it deserve another point? I think it does if the outside delay is done as a cross-body. I also think an inside delay deserves an extra if it's done outside the body. But all that's a pain. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 18 18:31:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28452 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:31:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32272 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:53:35 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FT800701CPE48@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:53:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:53:37 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] naming a set To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org There is Atomic and Tapping to denote the difference between a toe set reverse mirage that follows with a movement that is done with the opposite side of the body or with the same side of the body, respectively. There is Nuclear and Tapping (working over time) to denote the same differences from a clipper set. There is Quantum for a toe set miraging move that follows with a movement from the opposite side of the body. But alas it is alone. Where is it's counterpart? The one that stands for a toe set miraging move that follows with a movement from the same side. Same for the clipper set versions. I thought something like "slapping" sounded cool for the toe set one, but then it might get taken the wrong way by some people and be in league with "wifebeater" somehow. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 18 18:31:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28457 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:31:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f52.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.52]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03179 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:33:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 26243 invoked by uid 0); 18 Apr 2000 22:32:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000418223242.26242.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:32:42 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, morethanjakeltj@yahoo.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Like a Bike Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:32:42 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Brad Kaplan >On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, Owen Parrish wrote: > > shredding is like riding a bike. I picked up right > > where i left off. I hit toe>same in>op out>same toe > > (whatever that is) > > Pixie Leg-over! I think that is debatable. From what I have taken from others, pixie involves a plant. So, this is actually a dlo set from the toe. Eric made a comment about this when discussing pixie clipper versus toe set whirl. At least that is what I took from it... Me personally? I have always called it pixie leg-over. I just wanted to be a pain in the ass. Now, if you will excuse me, I have to go put on a demo for my women's issues and domestic violence class. Later, Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 18 19:11:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28518 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:11:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09987 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:03:19 -0700 Received: from [209.122.183.94] (helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12hjpv-0001p8-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:03:27 -0400 Message-ID: <004101bfa9a2$c32a7940$5eb77ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Reply-To: "Tyler Guindon" From: "Tyler Guindon" To: Subject: [freestyle] clipper>op in question Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:58:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, I got a quick question. Whenever I do a clipper into an op in, I can never seem to set the bag high enough to get my dexing leg around to catch it in a clipper ( for a drifter) and I cant even dream of setting it high enough to try a blur or a torque. It seems that I can only get it high enough to do a toe. My question is how can I set the bag higher? Now that I think about it, even my clipper sets (without the dex) are low. Does anyone have any tips? I could sure use em. Thanks Tyler From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 18 22:01:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28673 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:01:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14666 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:53:32 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx4-05.ix.netcom.com [207.94.121.69]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26437 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38FD3CD4.52EB7C8E@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:57:56 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] pixie (plant / no plant) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ian Dubman wrote: > I think that is debatable. From what I have taken from others, pixie > involves a plant. So, this is actually a dlo set from the toe. Why can't the terms "crispy" and "original" be used here as well? A pixie with the plant is crispy, and a pixie without the plant is original... Same thing with crispy torques, eggbeater, etc. I think any set could be crispy. Like a spinning/gyro set as in crispy osis (Lon style). Ok. I'm game. Everyone shoot it down. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 19 00:15:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28919 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:15:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f121.hotmail.com [216.32.181.121]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA17603 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:01:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 71404 invoked by uid 0); 19 Apr 2000 07:01:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000419070121.71403.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.151.225.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:01:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.151.225.201] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pixie (plant / no plant) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 03:01:20 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, >Ian Dubman wrote: > > I think that is debatable. From what I have taken from others, >pixie >involves a plant. So, this is actually a dlo set from the > >toe. Which led to Derric Scalf to write: >Why can't the terms "crispy" and "original" be used here as well? A >pixie with the plant is crispy, and a pixie without the plant is >original... Sorry, I don't like it. I just don't like the fact that the pixie (w/o the plant) would be called "original." To me, an original pixie butterfly includes a plant. Thanks for hearing me out, Lates, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 19 20:12:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30331 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:12:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f223.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.223]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA27604 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:03:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 41910 invoked by uid 0); 19 Apr 2000 13:03:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000419130325.41909.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:03:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] naming a set Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:03:25 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Brad Kaplan > I thought something like "slapping" sounded cool for the toe set one, >but then it might get taken the wrong way by some people and be in league >with "wifebeater" somehow. OK. Brad, you have reiterated one of my old suggestions to the T. This is the exact name I proposed for the exact same set quite a while back, such as a toe set stepping butterfly would be "slapping b-fly" or, my preference, "slapdown" (analagous to tapdown, for those of you not familar with these moves). Sunil and I talked about it *wish he would hop in on this* and I had thought, mistakenly, that quantum was to be used for the same-side component and the moves with opposite components would be denoted by "toe 'name of move'", as in "toe torque", "toe blur", "toe blizzard", etc. BUT, if quantum is labeling a mirage followed by opposite side component, then I fully support, guess I had better since I thought of the same thing, slapping being used as toe>mirage>same side component (that was not a Job's attempt--just short hand). Now I need to stop writing; I am beginning to feel like Anne Landers. Others please jump in on this and make some comments. Later Ian D From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 19 20:13:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30342 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:13:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12102 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:34:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 8846 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2000 21:34:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000419213444.8845.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.131] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:34:44 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:34:44 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] Re: clipper>op in question To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tyler Guindon: >Whenever I do a clipper into an op in, I >can >never seem to set the bag high enough to get my >dexing leg around to >catch >it in a clipper ( for a drifter) and I cant even >dream of setting it >high >enough to try a blur or a torque. It seems that I >can only get it high >enough to do a toe. My question is how can I set the >bag higher? This is 2 DIFFERENT sets and you should separate them in your mind. For drifter and torque-your useing a miraging set. And For ripwalks and blurs-your useing a stepping set. Watch vids till your eyes bleed and youll see what i mean. Miraging set- Set the bag and dex right about when the bag reaches its peak. Stepping set- Set the bag and dex almost at the same time. (way before the bag reaches its peak NOT TOO SOON THOUGH- If you slur its gonna slaughter your style. How can you get your sets higher? Miraging set shouldent be a problem, but stepping sets take a lot of practice. For more detailed info on how to do a stepping set. Look at my tips for the ripwalk (you should learn this move before the blur anyway). From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 19 20:13:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30353 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:13:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31172 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:15:04 -0700 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07634 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:15:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:15:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Boasting In-Reply-To: <20000417002330.17672.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Boasting huh? ok, I hit a front-side symposium legbeater at the end of my run at Sugar Grove last weekend! almost followed it with a ps whirl :p (almost). so, does anyone else hit symp-atom moves? I've been calling this one the mutilator. (and if I ever get it over my head too, that'll be the Decapitator, hehehe) I've started refering to the set as "mutant" set. Is there a name already? I've also been experimenting with the symp-quantum set. (be careful, i twisted my ankle badly with this one) -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 19 20:13:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30364 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:13:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12557 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:44:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 10858 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2000 21:44:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000419214427.10857.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.131] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:44:27 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:44:27 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] pixie (plant / no plant) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >pixie with the plant is crispy, and a pixie without >the plant is >original... Same thing with crispy torques, What is original about a pixie with no plant? The original pixie has a plant. Pixies without plants are UGLY! Just my opinion... Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 19 20:13:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30375 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:13:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f16.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13626 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:11:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 37920 invoked by uid 0); 19 Apr 2000 22:11:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000419221117.37919.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.162.168 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:11:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.162.168] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Phat Combo Contest Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:11:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all. I originally sent this last week...to footbag@freestyle.org. I got it right this time. Enjoy! :) Just a note on the phat combo contest we held at the Philly Open. Rob Riefer has the exact results, but I believe it went something like this: 1. Ken Somolinos - ripped warrior > haze 2. Yacine Merzouk - paradox double-legover > atom-smasher 3. Sebastien Duchesne (sp?) - paradon > something?...Rob, please help :) Anyway, aside from the results, I'd like to tell everyone how the event was constructed, in case someone might want to run something like this. Here were the rules: 1. 2 rounds, 30 seconds each 2. before each round, each contestant had to declare the 2-move combo to be attempted -- the combo was then announced to the audience 3. the contestants were judged on a 10 point scale based on the difficulty of the combo hit, plus how well the combo was hit (execution) 4. judges based final results on the higher scoring combo of the two attempted by each contestant If I were to do this again, I would try 3 rounds of 20 seconds each. 30 seconds is just a bit too long and 3 rounds allow players to really go for harder stuff. I think the event has some promise. It helps communicate some of the move names to the populace, it showcases the idea that moves are almost always hit in combination (a real differentiator for our sport), plus, I believe the contestants had fun (and won some money). Thanks. DanKs From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 20 09:33:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31265 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:33:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f207.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.207]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA11663 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:42:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 30797 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 2000 15:42:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000420154223.30796.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.122.253.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:42:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.122.253.144] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] articles about footbag Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:42:23 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, i'm looking for a newspaper article about footbag. i remember there was a posting about it in a Boulder newspaper, but that link now points to something else. does anyone have that article or possibly another one handy that they could e-mail to me? i'd appreciate it greatly. thank you. Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 20 21:05:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32134 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:05:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19973 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:00:44 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FTB00001ZL96Y@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:00:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] clipper>op in question In-reply-to: <004101bfa9a2$c32a7940$5eb77ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> To: Tyler Guindon Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Tyler Guindon wrote: > I got a quick question. Whenever I do a clipper into an op in, I can > never seem to set the bag high enough to get my dexing leg around to catch > it in a clipper ( for a drifter) and I cant even dream of setting it high > enough to try a blur or a torque. It seems that I can only get it high > enough to do a toe. My question is how can I set the bag higher? Now that > I think about it, even my clipper sets (without the dex) are low. Does > anyone have any tips? I could sure use em. Thanks Yes, set the bag higher! :) Actually, how high are you setting the bag? For a drifter it really only needs to be about knee high or maybe a couple more inches. If you are not even setting that high then you need to just work on the leg strength to get it higher. If you are setting it high enough and still can't make it around then your other leg may need to go a little faster, and your balance a little better and turning your body more towards the bag might help also. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 20 21:05:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32139 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:05:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20360 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:10:51 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FTC00601024JX@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:10:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:10:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] pixie (plant / no plant) In-reply-to: <38FD3CD4.52EB7C8E@dallasfootbag.org> To: Derric Scalf Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Derric Scalf wrote: > Ian Dubman wrote: > > > I think that is debatable. From what I have taken from others, pixie > > involves a plant. So, this is actually a dlo set from the toe. > > Why can't the terms "crispy" and "original" be used here as well? A > pixie with the plant is crispy, and a pixie without the plant is > original... Same thing with crispy torques, eggbeater, etc. I think any > set could be crispy. Like a spinning/gyro set as in crispy osis (Lon > style). > Ok. I'm game. Everyone shoot it down. BRATATTATTATTATATATATTAAATTTAATTT!!!!! Hell... it's pixie Ian (you trouble maker :)!!! Sorry Derric but I don't know about using crispy everywhere. Some places it fits, but not others. I personally like leggy and hippy to fit in with the others. As far as the whole thing where it's only pixie if you plant, allow me this example. Symposium Smear (Symposium pixie-mirage). There is not plant in the pixie set so what would it be a symposium around the world mirage? And what about just a regular pixie, it's a pixie isn't it? It's the same motion only there is an extra legover in the pixie legover. The only difference I see is the style in which it's done. So there (shoot me back if I missed), Brad :) (: From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 20 21:05:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32149 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:05:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24981 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:56:31 -0700 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:53:40 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFAAE0.C376C400@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:54:51 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFAAE0.C376C400@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Re: clipper>op in question Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:54:50 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James said... >This is 2 DIFFERENT sets and you should separate them >in your mind. >For drifter and torque-your useing a miraging set. >And For ripwalks and blurs-your useing a stepping set. >Watch vids till your eyes bleed and youll see what i >mean. I say... Rock On James! This is so key and yet hard to realize especially if you are a relative beginner. ew that smell From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 20 21:05:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32144 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:05:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20605 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:19:05 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FTC007010FWB0@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:19:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:19:08 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] naming a set In-reply-to: <20000419130325.41909.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Ian Dubman Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Ian Dubman wrote: > > OK. Brad, you have reiterated one of my old suggestions to the T. This is > the exact name I proposed for the exact same set quite a while back, such as > a toe set stepping butterfly would be "slapping b-fly" or, my preference, > "slapdown" (analagous to tapdown, for those of you not familar with these > moves). > fully support, guess I had better since I thought of the same thing, > slapping being used as toe>mirage>same side component Right on!!! Great minds...!! Okay, how about some feedback from anyone else who cares? You can e-mail me personally so as not to bombard the list. If no one responds with a better idea then Ian and I say it officially becomes a "slapping". Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 23 21:27:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04511 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:27:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f80.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.80]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA30309 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:29:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 82171 invoked by uid 0); 23 Apr 2000 18:29:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000423182932.82170.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.204.175 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:29:32 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.204.175] From: "Brian Hines" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] new site Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:29:32 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello baggers, Here is another site that covers the great sport of footbaggin'. My friend and I just completed it. The sections are all up, but please bookmark us and come back often as it will be updated frequently. Also, drop us a line on our message board to tell us what you think about the site, or just to talk to others, or leave your hints. Thanks http://footbag.cjb.net thanx Brian Hines From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 23 21:27:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04516 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:27:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA08653 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 17:59:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 1992 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2000 00:59:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000424005914.1991.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.119] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 17:59:14 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 17:59:14 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] more boasting! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup everyone, I just hit a fog, yesterday I hit another mobius, sealed blurry whirl with tons of 3 and 4 add moves, and im soooo close to linking 2 blurry whirls together that its not even funny. Oh...and the last time I boasted, I forgot to mention that I sealed my first inspinning osis. Hope everyone is having as much fun with footbag as I am!!! Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 24 10:29:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05261 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:29:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f116.hotmail.com [209.185.131.179]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA01168 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:27:01 -0700 Received: (qmail 55317 invoked by uid 0); 24 Apr 2000 11:45:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000424114506.55315.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.225.110.142 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:45:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [149.225.110.142] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] more boasting! Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:45:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hit double atw to pixie butterfly to ripwalk you think thats lame ? not for me... fabian stop this boasting =) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 24 21:12:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06145 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:12:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f93.hotmail.com [216.32.181.93]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA05928 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:55:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 35345 invoked by uid 0); 24 Apr 2000 18:40:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000424184002.35344.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.93.198.34 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:40:02 PDT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.198.34] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Witchita tournament Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:40:02 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, is anyone going down to Witchita, KS for the tourny. Anyone from Texas? COlorado? Illinois? Just curious. Brian Mckenzie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 24 21:13:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06156 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:13:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06288 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:12:46 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust176.tnt52.chi5.da.uu.net [63.11.20.176]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20105 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39049924.1EFB5787@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:57:40 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Fridgedquestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey I got a question for anyone who knows alot about fridged moves.... is a fridgedflapper(fridgedsole I guess) possible? I was thinking about this and I can alomost get my foot to bend that way... I can without my shoes.. I think it could be possible if worked on... is there anybody out there hitting this? if so(or even if not) what's your oppinion on it? would it even be fridged or would it just be a sole stall? tell me what you think. thanx -TW. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 24 21:13:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06167 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:13:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA07889 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:45:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 570 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2000 20:31:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000424203100.569.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.47] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:31:00 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:31:00 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] more boasting! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >hit double atw to pixie butterfly to ripwalk >you think thats lame ? >not for me... Soooo not lame! You could say "I hit a legover to mirage to atw!", and I wouldent call it lame! >fabian >stop this boasting =) Nooo Way! Boasting is important. Not to show off or anything, but just so everyone knows how everyone else is progressing. Keep on boasting. I love hearing what everyone is hitting. Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 24 21:13:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06178 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:13:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12662 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:59:47 -0700 Received: from jsisfo22.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:57:42 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFAE0E.6B8F6CC0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:59:14 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFAE0E.6B8F6CC0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] naming a set Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:59:13 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >If no one responds with a better idea then Ian and I say it officially becomes a >"slapping" Um... that's funny... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 24 21:13:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06187 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:13:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17075 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:57:13 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-33 #39336) with SMTP id <0FTK004010BCX5@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:57:12 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] more boasting! In-reply-to: <20000424114506.55315.qmail@hotmail.com> To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am suffering from shin splints so badly that it hurt to walk for 3 days after the last time I kicked which was 2 weeks ago. I've decided to take at least a month off during some prime kicking weather. Oh, but we're not boasting about seething pain and pitifulness are we? Okay well mentally I hit pixie-paradon/ flurry/ dbl over down swirl/ flurry/ entourage. Oh and back to back symposium blurry torques. Lets not forget about my 56 contact quadless string (no same side repeats). Give me another two weeks and I'll come up with something a little more real though not as cool. Late, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 24 22:38:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06299 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:38:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web215.mail.yahoo.com (web215.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA18401 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:31:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 16764 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2000 05:31:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000425053119.16763.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.52.146] by web215.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:31:19 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zerbe Subject: [freestyle] boasting To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey hey hey Well I guess I'll say what I hit tonight. I finally hit two 5's in two strings. symp blur and blurry whirl. And I came soooo close to hitting gyro diving buterfly a bunch of times (Wulff inspired). I also sealed mobius with a move instead of a hand catch for the first time. And to top it all off I almost hit gyro diving eclipse. I hit the eclipse but the dive was 'the'. Tomorrow is another day :) Zerbe p.s. Who all is going to European Championships? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 25 09:42:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07043 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:42:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f60.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA22625 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:15:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 35757 invoked by uid 0); 25 Apr 2000 13:15:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000425131541.35756.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:15:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: beesknees13@earthlink.net, Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Fridgedquestion Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:15:41 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Tim Werner >is a fridgedflapper(fridgedsole I guess) possible? That is a cross-body sole delay. Yes, it is very possible. Keep stretching and practicing--you will get it. Later, Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 27 16:27:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10998 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:27:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28309 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:21:46 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-33 #39336) with SMTP id <0FTO00901Z8794@clem.mscd.edu> for Freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:21:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:21:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Fridgedquestion In-reply-to: <39049924.1EFB5787@earthlink.net> To: Tim Werner Cc: Freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, Tim Werner wrote: > Hey I got a question for anyone who knows alot about fridged moves.... > is a fridgedflapper(fridgedsole I guess) possible? I was thinking about > this and I can alomost get my foot to bend that way... I can without my > shoes. No. Frigid moves are moves that are on there way to being other moves but stop on the way and they usually involve an osis type of movement. Frigid osis is an osis that stops at the very beginning before the bag is brought to the other side of the body. Dyno, blender, torque, spinning osis and anyother move ending in osis can be frigid. I'm hard pressed to think of any moves that could be frigid without ending in osis. Though maybe if you explained what exactly you're doing it would help to determine what it is you are doing. But it just sounds like a regular sole stall and that's still a cool move. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 27 21:59:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11481 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:59:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f197.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.197]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09240 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:59:53 -0700 Received: (qmail 93558 invoked by uid 0); 26 Apr 2000 00:59:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000426005922.93557.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:59:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Fridgedquestion Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:59:22 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Phil, Tim and All... I guess I wasnt explicit enuff in my first post. A flapper is a cross body sole kick (ANYONE, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG IN ANY PART OF THIS). As Phil said, "frigid" version of this move does not exist. So, if you are hitting a flapper and the bag is sticking to your foot and not popping right off, a delay, you are hitting a cross-body sole delay. If this is not what you are doing, then I have no idea whatsoever what you are doing, and I wish you luck in finding what it is that you are actually doing. Good luck, Ian D. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 27 22:00:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11494 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:00:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03848 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:14:04 -0700 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19411; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:13:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:13:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: Ian Dubman cc: beesknees13@earthlink.net, Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Fridgedquestion In-Reply-To: <20000425131541.35756.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Ian Dubman wrote: > >From: Tim Werner >is a fridgedflapper(fridgedsole I guess) possible? > > That is a cross-body sole delay. Yes, it is very possible. Keep stretching > and practicing--you will get it. How can there be a fridged version of a non-spinning move? Unless you're talking about holding an osis-flapper fridged; in that case it's called a sole delay. -phil "clueless" From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 27 22:02:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11510 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:02:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f107.hotmail.com [216.32.181.107]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA06863 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:18:38 -0700 Received: (qmail 91982 invoked by uid 0); 25 Apr 2000 23:18:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000425231808.91981.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.210.42.147 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:18:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.210.42.147] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Dragons (sigh, again!) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:18:08 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I don't know who takes care of updating the moves list on footbag.org but I really think I'd be cool to include a dragons move list. What does everyone think? More importantly what do you guys, who update the list, think? I think it would inspire more players to include dragon moves in their shreds. Lates, The Mouse ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 27 22:04:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11527 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:04:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from footbag (kf41u2hel.dial.kolumbus.fi [193.229.45.41]) by smtp2.kolumbus.fi (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA10196 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:27:02 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <01d701bfb0bf$3cf08120$e611e5c1@footbag.pp.kolumbus.fi> Reply-To: "Finnish Footbag Association" From: "Justin Sexton" To: Subject: [freestyle] European Championships Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:09:56 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alex Zerbe asked: >Who all is going to European Championships? All of the Team Finland + some top intermediate players are coming from Finland...Check out the players of the Team Finland at http://www.kolumbus.fi/footbag/eng.html , just hit Finnish National Team 2000 on the left upper corner. Justin Sexton From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 27 23:06:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11617 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:06:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08676 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:51:04 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust12.tnt69.chi5.da.uu.net [63.30.184.12]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10689; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49F69946.D00EFC17@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:51:02 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Dubman CC: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Frigedquestion References: <20000426005922.93557.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok... I should've wrote this a long time ago, here's the best way I can describe what I'm talking about.... try this... hold your foot in frigedosis posistion.. now twist your foot towards yourself (best way I can describe it) until it's in sole stall posistion.. when I did this the first time I felt it in my lower back more than a regular sole stall... right there is where all this craziness started.. I felt more twisted so I got to thinking that it was some sort of friged"flosis"(flapper osis) Kinda like you're going for a flapper osis and froze... hence the friged confusion in my mind(whether it was friged or not makes no difference in the adds anyway but that's not the issue here)... about 10 minutes after posting my original query I realized it was just a sole stall... I should've posted a retraction rather than let all this confusion clutter the list and for that I am truly sorry... ok I think that about covers it. no? Thanx to everyone who tried to understand and help me out TW. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Apr 28 20:27:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13152 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:27:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16388 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 05:27:26 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2MQPC1PG>; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:27:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Riefer, Robert" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Fridgedquestion Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:23:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, Tim Werner wrote: > Hey I got a question for anyone who knows alot about fridged moves.... > is a fridgedflapper(fridgedsole I guess) possible? I was thinking about > this and I can alomost get my foot to bend that way... I can without my > shoes. What I'm picturing is a sole delay same side of your body, instead of cross body. As Brad mentioned, it doesn't seem this is anything but a same side sole delay (in other words, not fridged). Thanks. Bob "Don't much technical stuff" Riefer PS- Eastcoasts anyone? oh, and for Deric-- Southerns anyone? :-) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Apr 28 21:17:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13196 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:17:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA30753 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:30:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 8082 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2000 21:30:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000428213020.8081.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.110] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:30:20 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] huge boast!!! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup everyone! I already know you guys wont believe this! I just hit my first 6ADD move. BLURRY TORQUE! I would have been able to seal it but i was so damn excited i nearly crapped on myself! Shortly after, I hit blurry whirl>pdx torque and sealed it like cake! This is very big for me cause Ive only been shreddin for almost a year! (1 year in may) If you dont believe i hit this stuff, fine. Youll just have to come down to midwest regionals and see it with your own eyes. bye now! Jamez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 29 15:52:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14046 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:52:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f115.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA18078 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:25:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 73510 invoked by uid 0); 29 Apr 2000 22:25:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000429222507.73509.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.213.189 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:25:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.189] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Laver Milleniums... yes, again Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:25:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok people... i finally changed my mind and want to try out a pair of milleniums...yea 4 months later...anyways... does anyone...have any clue... where i can scrounge up a pair of these things?! We're all tapped out in L.A. and i can't seem to find them on the Just for Feet webpage (they've been replaced with the Stan Smith Milleniums). Any advice on where to find a pair would be much ablidged. ~B.F. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 30 08:20:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA15247 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 08:20:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 29182 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 2000 12:53:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000430125328.29181.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.196.135 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 05:53:28 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.196.135] From: "Brian Hines" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] please help with refraction Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 05:53:28 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey fellow footbagers, I was wondering if any one on the list could give some tips on how to do a refraction? if any one could help me with this move it would be very helpful thanx. Brian Hines http://footbag.cjb.net ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 30 16:24:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15685 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 16:24:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12827 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 14:37:20 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.1e.49a396e (4381) for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e.49a396e.263e0183@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:37:07 EDT Subject: [freestyle] old/spare lavers To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey 'stylers, I'm recruiting some new players in my area, which is a very exciting thing for me, because I'm the only freestyle footbag player in central New York state. However, both the guys I've started shredding with are on extremely limited budgets, and can't afford new pairs of lavers. Is there anyone willing to donate a pair of old used lavers so I can get these guys going, either in size 8-9 or 12? I'll reimburse shipping and handling, and/or send you a custom hemp necklace made by yours truly for your kindness. Please help me get a few new stylers started, they're both very promising. Thanks Matthew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 30 20:15:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16076 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:15:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f248.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.248]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22279 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:46:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 12367 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2000 02:46:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000501024606.12366.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.112.30.158 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:46:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.112.30.158] From: "Michael Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:46:06 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey kids what's happening. I have been hacking for 5 years now, but I started freestyling about 3 or 4 months ago. I just wanted to know how long people practice for at one time, and if anyone has any knee problems. *=SnakeEyes=* ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com