From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 1 10:22:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29813 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:22:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f309.hotmail.com [216.32.180.163]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA23176 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:20:55 -0800 Received: (qmail 57101 invoked by uid 0); 1 Apr 2000 14:20:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000401142025.57100.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.206.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Apr 2000 06:20:25 PST X-Originating-IP: [142.177.206.17] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New footbags Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 14:20:25 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, I was just wondering if anyone had browsed the FootMART online catalog at http://worldfootbag.com/catalog/ lately. If you have you will notice there are a few new footbags online. Just wondering if anyone has ever kicked with any of these new bags, and if they are good or not. Actually, the one I want to know about is called the Mirage Footbag. It is 10 bucks and has 14 panels. It is made of macro synthetic suede (is that a good material??) Any feedback would be appreciated... Thanks, Cole From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 2 22:40:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00767 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:40:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06872 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:22:20 -0700 Received: from r79a006587aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.178.150] helo=funazs) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12bzJ1-0006Uq-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:21:44 -0400 Message-ID: <001901bf9d2d$4ad00860$96b27ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> From: "Mike Furnari" To: References: <20000401142025.57100.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] New footbags Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:27:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wow, some of the new ones look real nice. I just bought a facile dirty juice, and the sand leaks like a mother. now i think i am gonna go for one of those super nifty looking "Super Sand Footbag's" anyone tried them yet, i am mainly looking for how the sand holds up. but any info would be much appreicated thanks alot ----MIke Furnari ---- North Hunterdon Footbag Association From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 2 22:40:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00772 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:40:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (mx1.magmacom.com [206.191.0.217]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07035 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:26:54 -0700 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14265 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave (port218.magma.ca [206.191.5.218]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA29173 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001901bf9d2d$04eb93a0$0b01010a@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: [freestyle] Windchill! Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:25:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I just got back from the Windchill tourney in Montreal, and I just wanted to say it was GREAT! I am so glad that Ken S. convinced me to make the trip (well it didn't take much, just the words Freestyle and Montreal). It was amazing to see the legions of up-and-coming 'stylers showing off their stuff in Montreal. There is quite a pool of talent there. I arrived there feeling shy and uncertain about my (lack of) skills, and I left feeling totally pumped up and ready to go. If my legs didn't hurt so much I would be practicing right now. Thanks Ken and Yacine for the encouragement, you guys rock! So I will repeat what Ken said a few weeks ago: GO TO TOURNAMENTS! You won't regret it. Later, Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:19:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03441 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:19:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA16839 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:44:00 -0700 Received: (qmail 8685 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Apr 2000 23:23:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000403232310.8684.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.210.66] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:23:10 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:23:10 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] personal ripwalk record & symp pdx blender To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup everyone, I cant believe what just happend. I just broke the old ripwalk record of 23. I hit 24 back to back ripwalks, screwd up on the 25. (nearly colapsed) Im closing in on the unbelieveable record of 38. Shouldent be too long! :) Also, Could someone PLEASE explain to me what a symposium paradox blender is? I just cant see how this is possible. Later, Jamez P.S. Ill (hopfully) be at the guiness record attempt!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:19:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03446 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:19:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22227 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:52:19 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSI00P01FAV56@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:52:07 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:52:07 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] trick + 7 adders To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hit a trick last week that I absolutely loved and it just sort of came to me as I did it. I guess it would be a "shooting mirage" I landed it a few times and sealed it. Jobs = clip>(no plant while) op in> op out (now plant that set foot)> op in> op toe I'm not sure how to explain shooting to those of you who don't know what it is, unless you know what pogo is in which case it's the same as pogo only the set leg does an out to in dex as well. I have been wanting to try it again but go torque instead of mirage. I was wondering if the shooting torque that Tuan hit at Worlds last year was done this way or if the second dex leg was also the third dex. Either one would be a 7 add. I was also wondering if anyone's tried symposium blurry torque. For someone like Peter who hits Blurry Torque like MAD and also hits Big Apple. You'd think it's quite hittable. And I know there's others who could if they tried as well. Bye, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:19:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03451 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:19:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23741 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:41:23 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSI00M01ENHA9@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:38:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:38:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] cutting for pixie sets and such In-reply-to: <8a.2138c72.2615e743@aol.com> To: Nageylum@aol.com Cc: umleema0@cc.umanitoba.ca, freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 Nageylum@aol.com wrote: > this doesn't actually do anything. rather than trying to tweak your shoes a > lil more than the norm just hesitate a slight bit for a better pixie set. > although if you happen to freakishly large feet(no offence) like the > forespeaker(real word?) then perhaps it may actually do something. Using your reply as my reasoning I will again say that cutting the toe box DOES do something, though AGAIN it is a matter of preference. If you have to wait a "slight bit for a better pixie set" then you are making it slower. If you make the set slower then the rest of your body has to compensate by going faster. I Wrote Earlier: > > Another personal feeling is > > that is makes catching the bag too easy and letting go too hard with > > certain tricks And Josh Replied: > now i understand wanting to makes some of the harder releases easier, but > where is the logic in making somehing that's to easy harder? Referring to my above reply, you make an easy set harder by waiting an extra bit. It's a matter of skill and preference any which way you look at it. The guy who can overcome the toe box "that's too big for a good pixie set" and land a smog in the toe box "that's too big to miss any catch" is just as good as the guy who overcomes the cut away toe box "that's easier to get a good pixie set" and lands smog in the toe box "that has no walls to help me make any catch". Here's a good example... I used to play in Teva's (back in my early days). The toe is a much harder catch and easier to let go, than if you're wearing Lavers, but the insides are like having velcro, you can catch extremely well but letting go is harder. Now I use Lavers. The toe box I cut away and I sacrificed the easier catch of Teva's for the easier letting go of Lavers. How about another example... It's easier to not cut your shoes at all than it is to slice open a toe box, cut out the canvas inside, and re-lace your shoes in some jumbled fashion. Now why would you ever make the easyness of having a wonderful shoe already made for you into a harder chore? Well, as a matter of preference, it becomes easier to do certain things with them cut than not. So regardless of the extra labor involved you cut the suckers. This same reasoning holds for why myself and others might do the extra snipping of the toe box. Now let me apologize for coming on so strong. I just got out of an ethics class and we spent the whole time arguing so I'm a little worked up. I hope you don't take offense. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:18:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03431 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:18:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web702.mail.yahoo.com (web702.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA32638 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:14:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 2446 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Apr 2000 16:14:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000403161433.2445.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.79.184.104] by web702.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 09:14:33 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:14:33 -0700 (PDT) From: chris wollick Subject: [freestyle] glow hacks To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey, has anyone ever used one of those glow in the dark footbags? i was considering getting one for uh...night parties, but they look really funky. -chris From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:18:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03436 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:18:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22949 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:16:04 -0700 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12cag9-0007Xm-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:16:05 +0000 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (helo=[209.107.90.78]) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12cag4-0004YX-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:16:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:38:21 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: [freestyle] Pixie Opp Symp Rev. Mir. Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! I haven't kept up with my freestyle listserv and have over 120 back messages, so I apologize for not replying if you were reaching out to me. I'll get to them eventually. I've been hitting this neat little frontside four and I was wondering if it has a name or if I have to come up with one... I'll stab at the JOBS notation here, but don't freak: Toe > Same Out > Op Symp In > Op Toe But really folks... (for instance, from the right side)... Right Toe set, pixie with right leg and without replanting, symposium reverse mirage with left leg and back to right toe. Let me know See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:19:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03481 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:19:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Josh Childs Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28671 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:59:08 -0700 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.d4.299aa68 (3965) for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:58:27 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] cutting for pixie sets and such To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 4/4/2000 2:42:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kaplanb@mscd.edu writes: > > now i understand wanting to makes some of the harder releases easier, but > > where is the logic in making somehing that's to easy harder? > > Referring to my above reply, you make an easy set harder by waiting > an extra bit. no you make it easier by waiting. have ya ever tried to do a move to fast or soon? i rest my case. i'm sure i'll have more to say at some point but at the moment. it's like trying to do a pdx torque to fast if ya don't slow down a bit you'll clip your leg. now rather than trying to cut our legs a lil i suggest that slowing down just a bit will solve this problem, and with a whole lot less blood and cutting. i have small feet(kinda) so simply put my pixie isn't bothered by the eyelets, and i've actually fallen in love with them. i won't go into detail but they can do some pretty wild stuff if ya know what i mean, and i think ya do. . . . . My name is Josh Childs and I ride the small bus to school. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:20:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03499 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:20:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f68.hotmail.com [216.32.181.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25363 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:24:43 -0700 Received: (qmail 95366 invoked by uid 0); 4 Apr 2000 22:24:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000404222411.95365.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.213.43.179 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:24:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.213.43.179] From: "Tom LaBeff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Zoid Set Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:24:11 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Lately I've been working on my zoid set. (If you don't know what that is, James Roberts can show you on Dallas Footbag's page.) Anyway, about a month ago, I was drillin' these zoids, and the whole time I felt no pain or wierd sensations, only muscle failure from exhausting them (muscles). The next day though, I had bad pain in my entire abdominal region. It only took one day to go away, but what's up with that. Has anyone had the same problem or anything close? If James R. is on this list (him being the master of the zoid set) please let me have any 411 you can. Also, Eli Piltz is the man. I recently got 'Sultans of Shred' and the two video series he just released, and they are the bomb. He was super courteous and accomidating. These videos are helping me in a way that T.O.T.T didn't. Thank you for your patience Eli. I also got a pair of the Classic Rod Laver's within the last month, and I have no complaints. I don't know what the new ones are like, but to me, they would just be trying to improve on perfection. From LaCrosse, WI Thomas LaBeff P.S. Over and over again I hear to use both legs equally, and I have been trying to up my left legs skill, and it's happening, but is it possible for it to someday equal my right legs' skill level. Has anyone ever been in the same situation as that? If so, I'd like to hear about it. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:44:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03589 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:44:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f188.hotmail.com [216.32.181.188]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03238 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:37:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 51755 invoked by uid 0); 5 Apr 2000 03:37:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000405033728.51754.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.210.32.56 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:37:28 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.210.32.56] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] glow hacks Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:37:28 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo stylers, Chris Wollick asked... >hey, has anyone ever used one of those glow in the >dark footbags? Um, I personally have never tried one but I've been told that they DO NOT stall very well. I believe someone asked this question on the list before so you could always look in the archives. Peace, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:52:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03632 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:52:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f58.hotmail.com [216.32.181.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03642 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:46:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 56346 invoked by uid 0); 5 Apr 2000 03:45:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000405034541.56345.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.210.32.56 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:45:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.210.32.56] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] personal ripwalk record & symp pdx blender Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:45:41 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, James Risden wrote: >I cant believe what just happend. I just broke the >old ripwalk record of 23. I hit 24 back to back >ripwalks, screwd up on the 25. (nearly colapsed) >Im closing in on the unbelieveable record of 38. >Shouldent be too long! :) Ok, please, James do you have access to a camera? If so, send in your footage to dallasfootbag so we can all see it 'cause I WANT to see it! Peace, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 20:53:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03643 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:53:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03575 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 20:44:27 -0700 Received: from piff (d143.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.143]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with SMTP id XAA24052; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006201bf9eb0$be747880$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Reply-To: "tony carter-piff" From: "Tony Carter-Piff" To: "Brad Kaplan" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] trick + 7 adders Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:40:53 -0400 Organization: swarthmore college MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Jobs = clip>(no plant while) op in> op out (now plant that set foot)> > op in> op toe > > I have been wanting to try it again but go torque instead of mirage. > I was wondering if the shooting torque that Tuan hit at Worlds last year > was done this way or if the second dex leg was also the third dex. > Either one would be a 7 add. Minor point, but could the 3rd dex done by the 1st-dexing leg get a paradox add? Actually, i guess, if that's the case, maybe your shooting mirage gets a pdx...or maybe shooting cannot ever be pdx (it's not "clip>same in"), in which case I'm altogether wrong and apologize. It seems paradox to me. I suppose Steve may rip on me for not consulting his paradox tutorial... tony From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 4 22:12:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03816 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:12:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.emerson.edu (mail.emerson.edu [199.94.64.19]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06218 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:03:17 -0700 Received: by mail.emerson.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id <224VN57K>; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:01:04 -0400 Message-ID: <4143DB540B49D31182CE00062B00694B13E168@mail.emerson.edu> From: Spartan Giordano To: "'chris wollick '" , "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] the best, easy way 4 glow hack Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:01:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is in response to Chris Wollick's query about the glow in the dark hack. I assume you are taking about the one with the battery in it... One of my friends got one, basically it is a balloon stuffed with some chopped up plastic a battery and a lightbulb. The battery and switch make the "bag" lopsided, and the balloon tears very easily. Needless to say I do not reccomend this hack. However, through much experimentation of my own I have discovered a great way of making any bag glow in the dark. Here is what you need: 2 one inch mouth glosticks (available at hot topic or spencer's gifts) a white stocking a piece of duct tape Put the footbag and 2 glostix in the stocking, cut off the excess stocking, tape it closed and you have a GREAT glo in the dark bag. I go to raves all the time with this setup. Shred on boyzngirlz ~ s p i n m a s t e r s p a r t a n ~ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 5 08:31:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04417 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:31:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20119 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:41:04 -0700 Received: from awf108.rh.psu.edu (tnt1-145-15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.145.15]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA96664 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:41:04 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000405094132.006a7f74@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:41:32 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Zoid set and a 7-add Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Could someone describe what this zoid set is? I can't find it on the dallas page. Also, I cooked up (although I am nowhere near hitting this trick) a 7-add that seems like it would be fairly easy for anyone with a good stepping ducking set. How about stepping ducking paradox da da? Alex From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 5 08:31:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04412 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:31:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19674 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:20:58 -0700 Received: from awf108.rh.psu.edu (tnt1-145-15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.145.15]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA176890 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:20:53 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000405092119.006969c0@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:21:19 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] pixie op symposium reverse mirage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is in response to Scott Davidson's question on his 4-add he mentioned. The jobs notation is toe > same in [dex] > (no plant while) op out [bod] [dex] > op toe [del] This is just a symposium smudge, as far as I can tell. Alex From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 5 09:40:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04507 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:40:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f117.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.117]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25519 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:35:51 -0700 Received: (qmail 63098 invoked by uid 0); 5 Apr 2000 16:35:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000405163523.63097.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.122.253.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:35:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.122.253.144] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pixie op symposium reverse mirage Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:35:23 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Alexander Faber >The jobs notation is > > toe > same in [dex] > (no plant while) op out [bod] [dex] > op toe >[del] > >This is just a symposium smudge, as far as I can tell. or a pixie flail? Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 5 23:20:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05365 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:20:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c392116-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.7.91.61]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA05597 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000f01bf9f73$5fc0f5c0$1600a8c0@hysterical.net> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: freestyle@footbag.org References: <200004051950.MAA04699@list.footbag.org> Subject: [freestyle] Re: pixie op reverse symp mirage Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:53:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Scott D wrote... > I've been hitting this neat little frontside four and I was wondering if it > has a name or if I have to come up with one... > But really folks... (for instance, from the right side)... > Right Toe set, pixie with right leg and without replanting, symposium > reverse mirage with left leg and back to right toe. It's pretty much just a symposium smudge. Ryan Mulroney P.S. See you at the So-Cal tournament April 15-16. I'm running freestyle. It should be fun. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 6 12:25:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06440 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:25:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03587 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:08:09 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSL00K01ZTCTP@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:08:00 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Zoid Set In-reply-to: <20000404222411.95365.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Tom LaBeff Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Tom LaBeff wrote: > day though, I had bad pain in my entire abdominal region. It only took one > day to go away, but what's up with that. Has anyone had the same problem or > anything close? If James R. is on this list (him being the master of the > zoid set) please let me have any 411 you can. I've never experienced any of pain doing Zoid sets. Is it sore muscle pain? If so it's probably because you're using those muscles so much to do the set. Kind of like doing crunches. > I also got a pair of the Classic Rod Laver's within the last month, and I > have no complaints. I don't know what the new ones are like, but to me, > they would just be trying to improve on perfection. And they do just that. > P.S. Over and over again I hear to use both legs equally, and I have been > trying to up my left legs skill, and it's happening, but is it possible for > it to someday equal my right legs' skill level. Has anyone ever been in the > same situation as that? If so, I'd like to hear about it. I am trying so hard to get my right side up to par with my left and it is definitely tough. For me the important thing is to study my good side until my eyes bleed and my head hurts and then do the same thing on my weak side. It is SOOO important to have both sides as equal as possible. I'm not even close, but I know it's possible because I've seen it. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:56:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09439 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:56:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04519 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:33:03 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSM000010YDYD@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:32:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:32:37 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Zoid set and a 7-add In-reply-to: <3.0.2.32.20000405094132.006a7f74@email.psu.edu> To: Alexander Faber Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Alexander Faber wrote: > Could someone describe what this zoid set is? I can't find it on the > dallas page. Let's say you are setting from right toe. Keep your right foot planted on the ground with the bag on it, now pick up your left leg and cross it over the other leg (it's kind of like you are doing the dex before the bag comes up in the air), now set the bag. That's right, make it go up in the air. Try it. It takes practice and it's kind of awkward, but it's fun once you get it. > Also, I cooked up (although I am nowhere near hitting this trick) a 7-add > that seems like it would be fairly easy for anyone with a good stepping > ducking set. How about stepping ducking paradox da da? Boy would that have to be REALLY clean. As it is, Pdx Da Da is a tough move to really do cleanly, but stepping it and ducking it are a whole new ball park. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:56:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09434 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:56:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2004.mail.yahoo.com (web2004.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.204]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07140 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:27:53 -0700 Received: (qmail 21482 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 20:27:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406202755.21481.qmail@web2004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.159.139] by web2004.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:27:55 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:27:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Re: trick and 7 adders To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >> Either one would be a 7 add. > Minor point, but could the 3rd dex done by the 1st-dexing leg get a paradox add? Actually, i guess, if that's the case, maybe your shooting mirage gets a pdx... ------------ Here's how I see it. Brad is right that both types of shooting torque would be seven adds. Here's why: For simplicity's sake, let's call the one with the last two dexes from the same leg as 'shoottap torque' and the other as 'shooting torque'. The 'shooting torque' gets a paradox add for the 2nd dex (rev mirage) since the dex is a complete dex in order to pivot again for the torque- (dex)(pdox dex)(dex)(osis) = 7. The 'shoottap torque' is awarded a pdox add for the torque since it would be a paradox torque from that side without the shooting set- (dex)(dex)(pdox dex)(osis) = 7. Neither get an add for pogo. Later, Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:56:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09433 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:56:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04898 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:43:46 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSM002011GX1U@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:43:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] trick + 7 adders In-reply-to: <006201bf9eb0$be747880$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> To: tony carter-piff Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, tony carter-piff wrote: > Minor point, but could the 3rd dex done by the 1st-dexing leg get a paradox > add? Actually, i guess, if that's the case, maybe your shooting mirage gets > a pdx...or maybe shooting cannot ever be pdx (it's not "clip>same in"), in > which case I'm altogether wrong and apologize. It seems paradox to me. I > suppose Steve may rip on me for not consulting his paradox tutorial... The 3rd dex done by the first leg is what makes the trick paradox. Shooting (or even clip> same out) gets paradox if the bag comes back to the same side of the body it started on for a delay or body movement. If you did this move: Clip> (no plant while) op in> op out (plant)> op clip. it would be like shooting a Ripwalk and there is no paradox. Someone please correct me if my explanation is wrong. Bye, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:57:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09444 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:57:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04202 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:25:33 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSM00D010MKIE@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:25:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:25:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] personal ripwalk record & symp pdx blender In-reply-to: <20000403232310.8684.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> To: James Risden Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, James Risden wrote: > Also, Could someone PLEASE explain to me what a > symposium paradox blender is? I just cant see how > this is possible. It's kind of not. I mean it is, but it's not. The dex has to be completed before you land. Also it's kind of not considered symposium. Rick Reese did a post on this about a month ago and stated that the move was harder though not technically fitting into the Symposium category. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:57:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09449 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:57:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04049 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:22:02 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSM00N010GQNQ@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:22:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] cutting for pixie sets and such In-reply-to: To: Josh Childs Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Josh Childs wrote: > no you make it easier by waiting. have ya ever tried to do a move to fast or > soon? i rest my case. i'm sure i'll have more to say at some point but at the > moment. > it's like trying to do a pdx torque to fast if ya don't slow down a bit > you'll clip your leg. now rather than trying to cut our legs a lil i suggest > that slowing down just a bit will solve this problem, and with a whole lot > less blood and cutting. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT!!! THEY ARE THE DEVIL!!! 666 666 666 666 666! ALL EYELETS MUST BE CUT AWAY! CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT CUT!!! > i have small feet(kinda) so simply put my pixie isn't bothered by the > eyelets, and i've actually fallen in love with them. i won't go into detail > but they can do some pretty wild stuff if ya know what i mean, and i think ya > do. . . . . No I don't what you mean. This isn't naughty stuff is it, If so I don't think I want to know. So it appears to me that you don't even want to pay attention to my "Theory of Relativity" when it comes to this topic. Not everyone has the same style of play and some things work better for one and not the other. For instance, those eyelet thingies we were discussing, no good for me or about a half dozen of my friends (most with smaller feet)... but they're good for you and your friends. See what I'm saying here. Relativity. > My name is Josh Childs and I ride the small bus to school. My name is Brad Kaplan and I drive to school. P.S. Don't think I don't like you, cuz I do. All of you!!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:57:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09454 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:57:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f326.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.204]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA27586 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 07:46:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 5569 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 2000 14:46:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406144617.5568.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.122.253.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:46:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.122.253.144] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pixie op symposium reverse mirage Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:46:17 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" >> toe > same in [dex] > (no plant while) op out [bod] [dex] > op toe >>[del] >or a pixie flail? sorry if i confused anyone.. i wasn't saying it was a pixie flail, i was asking if it was. hence the "?" Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:57:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09459 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:57:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f246.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA25206 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:40:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 33888 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 2000 13:39:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406133931.33887.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.135 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 06:39:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.135] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] unusual? Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 06:39:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok, I have a question for everyone. Why don't we seperate unusual kicks from unusual delays? i.e. knees and outside are usual kicks but unusual stalling surfaces. Knee kicks are pretty easy and spining tear drops are freaking hard. The same holds for any dex ending in an outside stall. Seems easiy enough, which means it will never catch on and I'll atract 20 flames. My inspiration: in Prague I saw a kid doing knee leg overs, sickness. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:58:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09474 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:58:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2001.mail.yahoo.com (web2001.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.201]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07654 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:38:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 3398 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 20:38:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406203834.3397.qmail@web2001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.159.139] by web2001.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:38:34 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:38:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] re: ...and a 7 adder (flaw) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alex Faber wrote: > Also, I cooked up (although I am nowhere near hitting this trick) a 7-add that seems like it would be fairly easy for anyone with a good stepping ducking set. How about stepping ducking paradox da da? I'm not too big on dada curve because 90% of the people do them THE. Honestly, 'blurry vertigo' (stepping ducking paradox drifter) would be way harder and more of a worthy trick, even though it's technically a 6 add. I could see Dave Holton busting this, he's hit 'vertigo' (ducking pdox drifter) and 'gauntlet' (blurry ducking torque) so I know it's possible. Later Bladers, Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:59:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09517 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:59:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f289.hotmail.com [209.185.130.228]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA00535 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 05:06:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 78021 invoked by uid 0); 7 Apr 2000 12:06:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000407120621.78020.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 140.186.114.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 05:06:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [140.186.114.22] From: "melissa schneider" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] East Coast Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 05:06:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello footbag community. I was curious if anyone close to the new york, massachusetts area who is making the trip to D.C. for East Coast? I'm wanting to go, trying to find a ride? I'm in western Mass. but could meet you on the road. Anyone out there???? Let me know. thanks, much peace. Mel From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:59:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09522 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:59:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f83.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.83]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16181 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:33:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 67339 invoked by uid 0); 8 Apr 2000 17:33:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000408173317.67338.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.24.153.90 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:33:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.24.153.90] From: "Daniel Lamb" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Moves Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:33:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey I am some what of a beginner and I was wondering what moves are good to start with. But to let you know I already can do a Dragonfly kick, Butterfly kick, jester, Clipper and clipper delay, inside/toe/clipper stall. Plus I am practicing and getting better at around the world. Thanks minihackysacker38 From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:59:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09527 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:59:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from statistik.cinetic.de (statistik.cinetic.de [194.45.170.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13188 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:45:02 -0700 Received: from cinetic.de (o200.cinetic.de [194.45.170.18]) by statistik.cinetic.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA01951 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:45:01 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:45:01 +0200 Message-Id: <200004062345.BAA01951@statistik.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Joern Grosch" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] =?iso-8859-1?Q?visiting=20the=20usa=20for=20shreddin=B4?= Precedence: fm-user Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id QAA06869 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi this is joern from germany. me(17) and a friend(19) have been playing freestyle for about 10 months now. we planned a trip to the u.s.a. for one or two weeks inbetween 13.7.00 - 23.8.00. the main-reason is of course shredding with others and watching some advanced freestylers. therefore i got some questions: we need a place to stay... it would be cool if someone is able to offer a place where we could stay at night or if someone knows a cheap hotel especially in the area of san francisco ( palo alto), but any other offer or hint is of course welcome. are there any tournaments during that time ? maybe in other regions of the states... i didn¥t want to abuse the mailinglist but i thought it¥s the best way to reach a lot of freestylers in the us. any ideas should be sent to me, not to the list, hehe. thanks lot an best regards Joern Grosch From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 8 15:59:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09532 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:59:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20748 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:36:49 -0700 Received: from batty.excite.com ([199.172.152.107]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.40 201-229-119-123) with ESMTP id <20000407033442.KZNA10253.gigi.excite.com@batty.excite.com> for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:34:42 -0700 Message-ID: <30463016.955078482192.JavaMail.imail@batty.excite.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:34:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Windchill tournament wrap-up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 154.5.60.168 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey fellow shredders! The Windchill in Montreal last week-end was a huge success. It's usually more of a net tournament than a freestyle jam but this year was different. Freestyle ruled. We had 4 open competitiors and 12 intermediates! 7 stylers from out of town showed up and there was more shredders than net players overall! We've taken some great footage especially from Sebastien Duchesne who was BUSTING on thursday, Ken S., Danny Cardonne - he hit a frigid blender midstring for the camera! -, and yours truly. Without further delay, here are the freestyle results from the competition. The complete & official results will be posted on footbag.org as soon as our beloved Yves Archambault wills it. Intermediate freestyle 1.Luc Legault, Montreal, Qc (Go pro!) 2.Hugues Veillette, Montreal, Qc 3.Sebastien Desgens, Montreal, Qc 4.Justin MacNish, Sherbrooke, Qc 5.Kavin Thiffault, Shawinigan, Qc Open freestyle 1.Ken Somolinos, New York, NY 2.Yacine Merzouk, Montreal, Qc 3.Sebastien Duchesne, Montreal, Qc 4.Danny Cardonne, Montreal, Qc I hope to see you all at the ECC at the end of the month - that's if I manage to be there myself! -Yacine Merzouk P.S.: Thanks to Kavin, Sam, Martin, Justin, P.A., Ken, and Dave for showing up. Congrats to Dave Reid. His daughter Laura made her first steps and I was the lucky cameraman! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 9 12:28:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11201 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:28:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f62.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26155 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:14:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 97728 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 2000 19:13:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000409191346.97727.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 12:13:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.17] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Proposal Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 12:13:45 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok we have most (all?) of the IFC freestyle committee here, so I¥ll make my proposal to the list. In the official rule book Article V (freestyle) 505.01 C. reads: "5.Unusual Surface. A move made with something other than the basic kicking surfaces, which are the inside, outside, toe, and knee. Examples include the tip of the toe, heel, calf, shin, back of the knee, and the upper body." I would change this to say: "5.Unusual Surface. A move containing a kick other other than the basic kicking surfaces, which are the inside, outside, toe, and knee OR a move containing a stall other than the basic stalling surface, which are inside and toe. Examples include the tip of the toe, heel, calf, shin, back of the knee, and the upper body kicks and moves containing a knee or outside stall." My questions are: 1. Is this clear enough? Can anyone think of possible confusion, and or miss awarded adds this could lead to? Does this come up anywhere else in the rules? 2. Is anyone against this and would anyone from the IFC Freestyle committee consider proposing this at worlds? Right away knee and outside stalls would become 2 adds, which I¥m sure some will disagree with, but let¥s face it, difficulty aside they both are unusual places to stall the bag, especially after any dexterity. And speaking of difficulty (adds don¥t = difficulty right?) yes outside stall is easier than most 2 add moves, but not much. Try spinning clipper and then spinning outside stall, try butterfly and then legover ending on an outside. They¥re pretty comparable. Concerns, comments? -Andrew (constant trouble maker) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 9 22:57:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11912 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:57:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f141.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.141]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02563 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:07:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 56817 invoked by uid 0); 10 Apr 2000 00:06:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000410000649.56816.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 130.132.146.162 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:06:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [130.132.146.162] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Phat combo contests Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 20:06:49 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Just wanted to say thanks again to Bob Riefer and Yves Archambault for running such great tournaments last week. While details and results for both tournaments have slowly appeared, nobody has made any mention of the Phat Combo contests that were held at each event. The Phat Combo contest was conceived by Dan Kramer last year, and has been used a couple of tournaments. The basic idea is to have a competitor announce a difficult or aesthetically pleasing two trick combo, and then hit it in a 30 second period. This event has many positive aspects. First of all, it is very fast. It is also very impressive to watch, since the competitor is trying to hit the most impressive combo they can, unlike in a routine where s/he would do easy moves they know they won't drop. Also, since the move names are announced ahead of time, it gives the spectator a chance to learn the names of some moves. Finally, the fact that it is only 2 tricks means that anybody has a chance at winning. In Philly and in Montreal intermediates did well because they chose stylish combos, or the pros were unable to hit their combos because they were too difficult. I participated in both Phat Combo contests last week, and had lots of fun. The purpose of this e-mail is to encourage tournament directors in the future to run this event. It's a crowd pleaser, it's quick, it can be judged fairly quickly, it educates spectators, and it encourages participation from stylers of all levels. And on an unrelated note: I'm not actually from NYC, I just freestyle there. Shred on, Ken CF Somolinos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 9 22:57:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11922 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:57:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f181.hotmail.com [216.32.181.181]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA01010 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:08:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 50390 invoked by uid 0); 9 Apr 2000 23:08:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000409230806.50389.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.151.225.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 16:08:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.151.225.201] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proposal Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:08:06 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Andrew, the constant trouble maker, wrote stuff corcerning the usual surface rules. I like the change. That's all I wanted to say. Whether of not the rule WILL be changed is another story but I like the proposal. I mean, think about if you were to do a mirage ending in an outside delay, under the REAL rules, that move would count as a 2 adder but a regular mirage is simpler to do and is also worth the same? That's "coo-coo" (rotating finger pointing at head) Anyway, Andrew, I like your proposal. I hope the others like it to. Peace y'all, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 9 22:57:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11917 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:57:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04469 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:18:27 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSS00B010YQP0@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:18:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proposal In-reply-to: <20000409191346.97727.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Andrew McCargar Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by list.footbag.org id SAA11729 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Andrew McCargar wrote: > I would change this to say: > > "5.Unusual Surface. A move containing a kick other other than the basic > kicking surfaces, which are the inside, outside, toe, and knee OR a move > containing a stall other than the basic stalling surface, which are inside > and toe. Examples include the tip of the toe, heel, calf, shin, back of the > knee, and the upper body kicks and moves containing a knee or outside > stall." > 1. Is this clear enough? Can anyone think of possible confusion, and or miss > awarded adds this could lead to? Does this come up anywhere else in the > rules? I think there is a little confusion in the wording, but it is understandable enough to get your point across. > Right away knee and outside stalls would become 2 adds, which I*m sure some > will disagree with, but let*s face it, difficulty aside they both are > unusual places to stall the bag, especially after any dexterity. And > speaking of difficulty (adds don*t = difficulty right?) yes outside stall is > easier than most 2 add moves, but not much. Try spinning clipper and then > spinning outside stall, try butterfly and then legover ending on an outside. > They*re pretty comparable. Concerns, comments? I agree with you on a lot of the points you are making, but I have some concerns and other points to make. In your new version of how the rulebook might read you refer to inside and knee as usual kicking surfaces and I agree with that to a point. Have you ever done a dragonfly and kicked it with the outside of you foot or knee instead of the inside of your foot? Or have you ever done a butterflier but kicked it with your knee instead of clipper (a potential injury awaits all males who do this trick so be careful)? My point being that these are examples of "usual kicking surfaces" which are made harder by the combined execution of themselves and another body movement or dexterity. Another point to be made is that inside delays present an added degree of difficulty or unusualness in that almost all tricks when executed end in toe or clipper delays. It is harder for (dare I say) most people to end a blur with an inside delay. Or double atw, smear, schmoe, double pickup, pdx mirage, pdx reverse mirage, blizzard, atom smasher, eggbeater.... I'm sure I've made my point. One more thing is to include frigidosis in here somewhere. My idea would be to further change the categorie to include unusual contortions. I'm not sure how to word it all to fit these points that I've made. How does one go about making an official proposal to the IFC anyway? Later on, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 9 22:58:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11932 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:58:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f15.hotmail.com [216.32.181.15]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA10684 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:28:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 8533 invoked by uid 0); 10 Apr 2000 05:28:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000410052829.8532.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.200.98.89 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 22:28:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.98.89] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proposal Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:28:29 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >OR a move containing a stall other than the basic stalling surface, which >are inside and toe. >My questions are: >1. Is this clear enough? Can anyone think of possible confusion, and or >miss awarded adds this could lead to? Does this come up anywhere else in >the rules? > How about the frigidosis... that's an inside stall but pretty unusual! this is a cheap 1 add, and frigidblender: 2 adds Danny From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 9 22:57:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11927 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:57:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03632 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:45:15 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSR00601ZFFG5@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:45:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:45:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Moves In-reply-to: <20000408173317.67338.qmail@hotmail.com> To: Daniel Lamb Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Daniel Lamb wrote: > Hey I am some what of a beginner and I was wondering what moves are good to > start with. But to let you know I already can do a Dragonfly kick, Butterfly > kick, jester, Clipper and clipper delay, inside/toe/clipper stall. Plus I am > practicing and getting better at around the world. Mirage, Illusion (reverse mirage), Legover, pixie, fairie, pick up. They're all on the move list and you MUST do both sides. Also most any of the two add moves on the move list. When you have them down solid in good long strings, then move on to the 3 add moves, then 4 then 5 then 6 7 8 ...... That should keep you busy for a couple years at least. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 08:15:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12655 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:15:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA23471 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 06:22:46 -0700 Received: from awf108.rh.psu.edu (tnt2-184-19.cac.psu.edu [128.118.184.19]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA281296 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:22:47 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000410092343.0069f08c@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:23:43 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Frigid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A few recent emails have mentioned frigid osis and frigid blender. What are these? Alex From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 08:15:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12650 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:15:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15858 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:27:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA163480 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:27:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunil Subhash Jani To: freestyle list Subject: [freestyle] UCSF JAM lowdown... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org People jammed. If you were there, then you know what happened. If not, then you should have been there (unless of course, you were in Montreal or Wellington). Hein combos were hit. Phat tricks were busted. Burritos for everyone who wanted them. It was a blast. Cannot wait to do it all over again. Thanks to everyone who turned out. 'Twas a blast. Sunil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 21:41:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13769 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:41:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15291 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:52:54 -0700 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id z.3f.336a45e (4208) for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3f.336a45e.2623df57@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:52:23 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Boasting To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Stylers! I have been on this list for a while now and havent heard very much boasting about phat combos. I just wanna know how all the shredders of the world are progressing. So to start everyone off I just hit butterfly> ripwalk> osis> butterfly> pdx mirage> dlo(drop) That is a bad @$$ line for me!!! Please everyone let it all out, brag a little :) Later Adam Mrosko P.S. Who's all going to the guiness attempt in Sugargrove IL??? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 21:40:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13747 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:40:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05225 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:48:57 -0700 Received: from batty.excite.com ([199.172.152.107]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000410204705.NYPX20348.kuku.excite.com@batty.excite.com> for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:47:05 -0700 Message-ID: <19794811.955399625262.JavaMail.imail@batty.excite.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:47:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Frigid? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 24.200.137.253 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello! Somebody asked what frigid meant. From what I know It means hitting an osis-like move (osis, blender, dyno, any move that ends with an osis motion) without spinning. For example, when doing an osis you stall the bag on the inside of your foot while spinning. You end in the exact same position as a clipper stall so it is fairly easy to get your inside surface flat. If you don't spin, you need to bend your lower back, knee, and ankle in a weird position to get the inside surface of your foot flat. In other words a frigid osis is an inside stall but in your back instead of in front of you. Does it make any sense? It's quite hard to explain a move in english (when it's not your first language) but I tried. -Yacine _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 21:40:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13749 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:40:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA19473 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:23:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 4371 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2000 04:23:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000411042322.4370.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.208] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:23:22 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:23:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] guiness attempt To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup everyone, I was just wondering who all is going to the guiness attempt. Ill be there for sure. If your going, email me personaly and tell me. Id really like to know who im gonna get to see shred it up. Later, Jamez P.S. I just got my sultons tape!!! Everyone and the're mom should have that!!! It gave me sooooo many more Ideas for tricks and combos to skool!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 21:41:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13764 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:41:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail18.bigmailbox.com (mail18.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.49]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12486 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:23:47 -0700 Received: by mail18.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA16078; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:23:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:23:36 -0700 Message-Id: <200004110023.RAA16078@mail18.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [4.4.85.24] From: "Joon Chung" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Shoe comparison Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Last week, after I lost my right Rod Laver (don't ask =P ), I dragged out my ILIE NASTASE Adidas shoes that I had been using previously before I got the Lavers. I modified them exactly as I would a Laver, but its harder to modify (its leather). Anyways, I got a shoe that catches the bag with no effort on the front, and has a huge stalling area on the inside and outside. I can see how dexterities would be difficult because of its weight, but I've never seen anybody with these shoes on and I'm not good @ dexterities. Also, there are new Lavers out... can someone give me info on these? Joon From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 21:41:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13759 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:41:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f219.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.219]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA29278 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:34:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 76633 invoked by uid 0); 10 Apr 2000 16:33:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000410163333.76632.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.132 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:33:33 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.132] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Frigid Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:33:33 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok Derric one last try, could you please put frigidosis on the moves list. It doesn't need to be notated, just like clipper and toe stall aren't really notated, it's just a basic trick, if somewhat hard to explain. 1 add, but then who still beileves that the add system works anyway? Moveing right along Alexander Faber wrote: >A few recent emails have mentioned frigid osis and frigid blender. What >are these? A frigid osis is an inside delay done on the outside of the body. For example, start with a left inside delay, then rotate your foot clockwise till your foot (and the bag) are on the outside of your leg, ruffly in clipper position. Visually it looks a lot like you began to do an osis but stoped, hence the name. Along the same lines frigid blender, is a blender that was stoped in a frigid osis instead of rotating into cliper. Making it a whoping 2 adds and a whole lot harder than regular blender at 4 adds. Clear as mud? -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 10 21:41:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13754 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:41:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail2.sas.upenn.edu (anaro@MAIL2.SAS.UPENN.EDU [165.123.26.33]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29152 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:31:01 -0700 Received: (from anaro@localhost) by mail2.sas.upenn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SAS.05) id MAA25729; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:30:44 -0400 (EDT) From: anaro@sas.upenn.edu (Alessandre S Naro) Message-Id: <200004101630.MAA25729@mail2.sas.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] UCSF JAM lowdown... To: sjani@itsa.ucsf.edu (Sunil Subhash Jani) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: from "Sunil Subhash Jani" at Apr 10, 2000 02:27:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org That's it?? A super sick event and no reports on what records were blasted and what barriers were broken?? A who's HOT and who's NOT? Some of us are sitting in offices on the East Coast where it was snowing Sunday. We NEED the low down... So spill the beans buddy... :-) Lates, AN From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 13:39:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14920 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:39:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16006 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:28:48 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSV00G01CVTOK@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:28:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:28:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shoe comparison and modification In-reply-to: <200004110023.RAA16078@mail18.bigmailbox.com> To: Joon Chung Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Joon Chung wrote: > Also, there are new Lavers out... can someone give me info on these? They are the Millennium edition Rod Lavers. Almost as hard to find as the original ones. Here's the lo-down: They are slightly (emphAsis on slightly) bulkier than the originals. The instep is much more concave, but they can be filled in with Shoe Goo to make it better. The inside canvas layer that I and many others ususally cut away also has a foam layer beneath it which is hard to pick off because it's glued on. I went the extra mile and took sand paper to it and now it's gone. They are about half the weight as the old ones which throws off your timing for the first day you kick in them, but then everything's cream cheese. The only down side is that the nylon Might be slightly thicker on the new ones, though I personally can't tell the difference. I personally have never kicked better. I have been breaking personal records on back to back tricks and string length ever since I switched to the Millenniums. I feel like they have broken a glass ceiling that I'd hit a few months ago. Later all, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 13:42:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14934 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:42:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14931 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:42:40 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16399 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:38:22 -0700 Received: from kaos (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12517 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.67.46.8] by kaos (8.8.8+Sun/Spike-2.0) id NAA22168; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200004112033.NAA14854@list.footbag.org> References: <200004112033.NAA14854@list.footbag.org> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:37:54 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shoe comparison and modification Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Joon Chung wrote: > Also, there are new Lavers out... can someone give me info on these? Please always check the FAQ before posting questions. http://www.footbag.org/facts/show/953170515 Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 13:52:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14987 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:52:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16650 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:44:20 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSV00H01DLWUL@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:44:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] new trick? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Maybe, maybe not! Sunil, you may have hit this. It's a miraging butterfly. Toe-stepping butterfly. toe> op in (plant)> same out> op clip I've been hitting this pretty frequently and I've never seen it before. Here're a few I've never hit. They just popped into mind and I know they are very possible so maybe some's hit them or will give it a try. Toe Barroque Toe Grave Digger Pdx Barroque This may be sick and twisted, but Blurry Barroque Has anyone ever tried Shooting Double Leg-over? Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 13:59:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15016 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:59:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17073 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:52:51 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #39336) with SMTP id <0FSV00H01E04OU@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:52:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:52:51 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Weak side To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does anyone else out there think it's absolutely amazing when you start hitting tricks better weak side than you ever did good side. Just the other day I was schooling and I started working Blurry Whirl. I hit it a long time ago on my good side and worked it for a while then stopped using it because I couldn't get it consistent. So the other day I decided I wanted to get it back and keep it going. I couldn't hit my good side at all, but my weak side was incredible. I was even able to play in and out of it. Another amazing thing is that my pdx whirls aren't that great. For some reason the blurry or stepping versions of some tricks tend to come a little easier. Enough from me, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 18:59:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15563 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:59:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ux4.isu.edu (mta@ux4.isu.edu [134.50.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17635 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:03:08 -0700 Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.103.12]) by ux4.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA61A6; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:05:03 -0600 Message-ID: <38F393E6.750C6764@isu.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:06:46 -0600 From: Bob Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Kaplan , "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: Re: [freestyle] new trick? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Kaplan wrote: > > Maybe, maybe not! Sunil, you may have hit this. > > It's a miraging butterfly. Toe-stepping butterfly. > > toe> op in (plant)> same out> op clip > > I've been hitting this pretty frequently and I've never seen it > >before. > Though I've never seen it, I seem to remember hearing that Ian Dubman was hitting this. Bob From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 18:59:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15568 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:59:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhost.cmc.net (mailhost.cmc.net [206.102.31.250]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18885 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:36:59 -0700 Received: from cmc.net (pm4-65.chico.cmc.net [12.7.203.66]) by mailhost.cmc.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA08072 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38F39AEA.EF6EC63F@cmc.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:36:43 -0700 From: Joshua Feltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] dirty juice modification Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Greetings Everybody-- I have heard quite a few complaints about the leakiness of the dirty juice, so I thought I would pass this on. Please forgive my long-windedness, but it has been a while since I posted anything to the list :-) My wife got me a dirty juice for x-mas, and it leaked sand from the moment I got it. After it broke in a bit, the leakage was almost comical, but became a real pain. I found myself not playing with an otherwise great bag just cause it was so messy. Well, I think I found a solution. Someone on the list had mentioned that someone (Carol Wedemeyer maybe?--I can't remember) was filling bags with seed beads for stallability without leakage. I decided to try it. I emptied all the sand out, washed it, and then filled it with seed beads ($1.75/30 grams or so at Wal-Mart) I have only kicked with it a bit since making the switch, but so far it seems to work great. Still very stallable, and none of the beads are coming out the seams. If you are interested in the particulars of how I did it, read on: first i made a funnel out of a drinking straw and carefully worked it between seams. then i drained all the sand out. I then washed the empty bag and let it dry. I started out trying to put the seed beads in through the same straw funnel, but found that it was easier to just make an opening between seams with a pencil and pour the beads in through the hole a bit at a time. Just roll the bag in your hands for a bit and the seams should seal right back up. Be careful that you don't rip anything. If you are as annoyed by your dirty juice as i was, give this a try. if you don't like it, you can always put the sand back in. Happy kicking, Joshua Feltman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 18:59:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15585 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:59:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f120.hotmail.com [216.32.181.120]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA20575 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:28:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 12536 invoked by uid 0); 11 Apr 2000 22:28:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000411222820.12535.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.213.43.251 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:28:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.213.43.251] From: "tom labeff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Infinity Zoid Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:28:20 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey I just thought of this. Brad Kaplan accurately described the zoid set as follows: Let's say you are setting from right toe. Keep your right foot planted on the ground with the bag on it, now pick up your left leg and cross it over the other leg (it's kind of like you are doing the dex before the bag comes up in the air), now set the bag. Is infinity zoid possible? Would that follow the guidlines of infinity style moves? -Zoid set right toe, delay with the left toe, zoid set with left toe, delay right toe....etc I don't know. In my mind it looks good, it looks infinity. The only thing that throws me is, the stopping in between zoids. James, can you imagine this? Wouldn't it looks smooth if you could almost wholly eliminate the pause in between? By the way, how is your right footed zoids coming? I have been trying to get my left leg broke in...I now see how very important it is to practice on both sides. I hope Southern was a blast. I haven't been to any tournaments yet, only been playing for a year and a half. I'll be at World's this year...driving cross country. Also, I think I made up a move. I call it scoliosis. You delay the footbag on your back, then roll it off into an osis. I'm going to feel like an ass if someone already made it up. Thomas LaBeff From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 18:59:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15573 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:59:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f112.hotmail.com [216.32.181.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA20079 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:14:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 28104 invoked by uid 0); 11 Apr 2000 22:13:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000411221336.28103.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.210.28.48 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:13:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.210.28.48] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Weak side Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:13:36 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Brad wrote: >Another amazing thing is that my pdx whirls aren't that great. For >some reason the blurry or stepping versions of some tricks tend to >come a >little easier. Well, I can identify a little. I have had the biggest problem with whirls since I started skooling them last summer. After a while I decided to hit pdx whirl, doing the whirl dex on the side I was practicing for so long. Well, I got it and I now find that I can hit pdx whirl better than I can hit a regular whirl. It's really weird! I still need to work on my whirls though. Lates, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 21:38:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15863 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:38:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f15.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.15]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA31813 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:31:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 37264 invoked by uid 0); 12 Apr 2000 04:30:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000412043055.37263.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 168.191.61.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:30:55 PDT X-Originating-IP: [168.191.61.83] From: "Daryl Bacon" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] scoliosis Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:30:55 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Also, I think I made up a move. I call it scoliosis. You delay the >footbag >on your back, then roll it off into an osis. I'm going to feel like an ass >if someone already made it up. > >Thomas LaBeff Its funny that you use that name.... tony carter-piff was calling a move that he pulls (with great style) scoliosis..... Its not the official name for it but it was what he jokingly had named it because of the way he teaks his back it. I cant explain how he pulled it exactley cause im not positive but its a dragon delay while half spinning... thats how i remembered it.... its all style, and leave it to piff to be that creative... anyways i think that name is keeper to some move eventually........ [½.:…ƒ'†…:.½.½.:…ƒ'†…:.½.daryl] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 11 22:24:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15952 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:24:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01331 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:15:34 -0700 Received: from piff (d143.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.143]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with SMTP id BAA22765; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00e801bfa43d$c7541540$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Reply-To: "tony carter-piff" From: "tony carter-piff" To: "Daryl Bacon" , References: <20000412043055.37263.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] scoliosis Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:13:02 -0400 Organization: swarthmore college MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Its funny that you use that name.... tony carter-piff was calling a > move that he pulls (with great style) scoliosis..... Its not the official > name for it but it was what he jokingly had named it because of the way he > teaks his back it. I cant explain how he pulled it exactley cause im not > positive but its a dragon delay while half spinning. naw, i didnt name it, daryl. you did. funny, though, 'cause what you actually called it was "multiple sclerosis." it was a sort of refracting/butter dragon. i hear john schneider has pulled real dragon refractions. true? anyway, scoliosis and (multiple) sclerosis are dandy names for some yet-to-be-pulled body-wrecking moves somehow involving osis. any doctor-types out there know what -osis means? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 09:39:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16757 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:39:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18066 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:00:54 -0700 Received: from awf108.rh.psu.edu (tnt2-184-113.cac.psu.edu [128.118.184.113]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA60658 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:00:55 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000412110001.0069f178@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:00:01 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: Re: [freestyle] scoliosis In-Reply-To: <00e801bfa43d$c7541540$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> References: <20000412043055.37263.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 01:13 AM 4/12/00 -0400, tony carter-piff wrote: >any doctor-types out there know what -osis means? > > [From Oxford American Dictionary] -osis: denoting a process or condition, esp. a pathological state Alex From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 09:39:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16762 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:39:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f202.hotmail.com [216.32.181.202]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA15255 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:13:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 76961 invoked by uid 0); 12 Apr 2000 13:12:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000412131240.76960.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.211.132.24 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:12:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.211.132.24] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] scoliosis Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:12:40 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "tom labeff" >Also, I think I made up a move. I call it scoliosis. You delay the >footbag >on your back, then roll it off into an osis. I'm going to feel like an ass >if someone already made it up. I already hit this move a couple of time but not constantly, I think the best way to do hit it is blindly, stall it on your back, then without watching let it roll on your osis. I didn't have any name for this move and scoliosis is cool! Danny From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 09:39:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16754 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:39:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 2831 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2000 15:58:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000412155837.2830.qmail@web2002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.138.159.145] by web2002.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:58:37 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:58:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] NEW LAVER LOWDOWN To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Guess what folks. The Laver Milleniums are no longer on the market. I called factory direct and they said they introduced them last October and they didn't sell very well, so the only way to get them at present is if a store happens to have them in stock (very slim now- not even Adidas' main retailer Three Stripe has them). They also said, however, they will reintroduce them again at some point- they couldn't give me a timeframe. If anyone knows of a store near them which has some in stock, please email me personally with the address and phone number, if posible. I will be very grateful. Thanks, Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 13:48:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17090 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:48:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f8.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.8]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26558 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:19:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 37915 invoked by uid 0); 12 Apr 2000 19:19:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000412191902.37914.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.161.154 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:19:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.161.154] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proposal Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:19:01 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello fellow footbaggers, from the greenest member of the IFC. I've already sent a message directly to Andrew on the proposal, but I thought I should reply to the list as well -- to perhaps stir up some discussion. My position is this: I believe in consistency in awarding unusual status. If it's unusual, it should be so for kicks, stalls, whatever. Since the proposal prescribes a different set of basic kicking surfaces for kicks and stalls, I will not support it. However, I, and I'm sure the rest of IFC, are not against the idea of revising the list of basic kicking surfaces. The proposal intimates that outsides and knees should be removed from the list and made "unusual." Any arguments pro or con? Dan Kramer IFC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 14:46:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17166 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:46:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from alberti.unh.edu (root@alberti.unh.edu [132.177.137.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32191 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:31:38 -0700 Received: from cisunix.unh.edu (student3-0123.unh.edu [132.177.64.123]) by alberti.unh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA86210 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F4EA28.2919CAC3@cisunix.unh.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:27:05 -0400 From: Mark Wride X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] double dexterities Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi guys! This is my first time posting to the list! I've been following this list religiously for 1.5 yrs., but have been too intimidated to actually become a member. I've hacked for a LONG time, but I discovered footbag.org only 2 yrs. ago; NOW I know what's truly possible with these little bags of cloth! Thanks Steve! My first posting is a question: What hurdles did you guys overcome to start doing double dexterities? Right now I'm practicing my tiltless strings and I have my pixie legover pretty much dialed, but double around the world seems so far away... Is it speed, leg strength, both of these and more? When did you guys break away from single dexterity moves? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated! Mark Wride From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 15:26:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17215 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:26:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01423 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:14:19 -0700 Message-Id: <200004122214.PAA01423@Market.NET> Received: (qmail 13332 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2000 22:14:21 -0000 Received: from chi-ras-1-209-112-95-44.mc.net (HELO ?209.112.95.44?) (209.112.95.44) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 12 Apr 2000 22:14:21 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:00:28 -0500 Subject: [freestyle] Beginning Freestyle From: "Colin Larson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I just started playing footbag a few weeks ago in a circle at lunch hour at school. I found it to be really fun and challenging. So I went on the web and found footbag.org and went from there. Right now I am kicking with some cheap shoes from walmart that have a really nice flat toe design, they kind of resemble lavers. My footbag is a homemade one made out of popcorn seeds and a sock (surprisingly very round and easy to stall). I ordered my lavers and a synthetic juice, plus the tricks of the trade video. I can do toe stalls and I just started nailing around the world toe stalls about 10 minutes ago in my living room =) So, where should I go from here? I'm kind of confused after reading the modification instructions for the shoes.. I think I might end up with half a shoe left after I get done or something. Are there any clearer instructions available? I also found it very hard to do everything with my left foot, I can do a toe stall every once in a while and I can kick with it alright, but its hard to concentrate on that foot when I'm learning all the new things with my right foot. Any suggestions? Also, what tricks should I learn next? I can stall inside stalls, but I have problems putting the bag back in the air. thanks for your help! -Colin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 15:42:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17266 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:42:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01999 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:32:19 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id f.e2.31a85c1 (3945); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:31:16 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Beginning Freestyle To: colinyc@mc.net, Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear Colin, nice to see a new name on the list, and nice to see you're so enthusiastic about footbag. My two major pieces of advice that should help with the furthering of your footbag career are these: 1) Skool both sides EQUALLY. ALWAYS. ALWAYS. or else you end up like a LOT of use who are really weak on one side and really strong on the other 2) go to all competitions humanly possible. You'd be amazed at the progress you make in 2 days of hard shred with pros. Anyone who's been to a comp will attest to this. That, and footbag people are the nicest folk in the world. Like a combination between hippies and the friendlier of the long-distance running community ;) Keep Kicking, Matt "Clever Nickname" Cross ;) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 19:20:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17714 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:20:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f271.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.148.149]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09496 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:11:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 17542 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 2000 02:10:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000413021035.17541.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.226.208.194 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:10:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.226.208.194] From: "Kavin Thiffault" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] the wall of pain Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:10:35 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Since I'm really into freestyle (september 99) I started to hit some relatively big moves and I learn very fast. But my endless pain near the ankles and the inside of the tibias is my only limits. I can not even try symposium moves because my legs can't stand the landing. What is the cause of this and there is a way to cure this pain by some exercices or something?? Thank you all Kavin "French-guy" Thiffault From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 12 20:45:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17826 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:45:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4])