From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 07:24:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16690 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 07:24:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f236.hotmail.com [209.185.130.201]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA15218 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 06:12:04 -0700 Received: (qmail 52440 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2000 13:11:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000501131136.52439.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.225.147.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 May 2000 06:11:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [149.225.147.73] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: practice, knees Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:11:36 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I just wanted to know how long people practice for at one time, and if >anyone has any knee problems. yes i had serious knee problems (miniscus) due to too much training. my advice for you is, dont overdo it. footbag is a great sport, but dont practice double around the world or pixie sets all day (like i unfortenately did). and NEVER play when it your knee hurts. and you should also consider some sort of warmup. basic kicks perhaps,other ideas would be interesting for me as well. i wouldnt have had any problems if i knew that before :) nowadays i maybe practice 2 hours every other day. P.S.: any footbagger ever played quake1 ? fabian ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 07:25:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16700 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 07:25:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from davisbrody.com (mail.davisbrody.com [205.253.194.181]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16256 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 06:53:34 -0700 Received: from davisbrody.com [209.73.237.244] by davisbrody.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.04) id A985B6700238; Mon, 01 May 2000 09:41:25 EDT Message-ID: <390D8B5E.1B4C2F9A@davisbrody.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 09:49:18 -0400 From: Bruce Dole X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver Milleniums... yes, again References: <20000429222507.73509.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bryan Fournier wrote: > Ok people... i finally changed my mind and want to try out a pair of > milleniums...yea 4 months later...anyways... does anyone...have any clue... > where i can scrounge up a pair of these things?! We're all tapped out in > L.A. and i can't seem to find them on the Just for Feet webpage (they've > been replaced with the Stan Smith Milleniums). Any advice on where to find a > pair would be much ablidged. > > ~B.F. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Hey fellas, They're still at www.feet.com; I found them by doing a search (on the right side of the home page), entering "men's/adidas/tennis" into the fields under search. They're kinda expensive, mine came to $71...but I think they're a little kinder on the feet than the old ones... See ya, Bruce From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 10:17:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17034 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:17:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22669 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:05:06 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:05:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] stomping, Peter, and me being a little confusing Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:05:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello- Not normally one to write with a "what is this" question, but I can't get Peter Irish's stomping double legover out of my head.. Sometimes I need to describe moves in terms of other moves to get that mental picture that I sometimes cannot see from a move description/notation. Two things about this stomping double legover... 1) What would the following be? For example, if you were to start with a right footed clipper, do what I think looks sort of like a stomping double legover really quickly, and do a left footed butterfly stall as your ending. 2) Is what I just described basically what I see referred to as a "shooting set" ending in a butterfly (shooting butterfly?). OK, so three things... 3) If what I described is a shooting set, then tell me if I'm attempting it correctly (if an overly covered topic, please reply to me directly. otherwise to the list): I attempt the motion almost as if I were doing a right clipper to same side symposium mirage (where my left leg does the in to out dex.. I'm not really good with the same/op notation stuff, so forgive me if ambiguous)-- only when I go to do the jump, both legs pass over the bag (although my right leg never touches the ground to help me jump.. ok, to be clearer: If I'm trying the stomp dble legover, both legs plant... if I'm imitating what in my mind is a shooting set, the right leg does not plant-- but the motion feels similar to me either way, which is why I bring the whole stomping thing up to begin with). My left leg passes over the bag much as it would in symp mirage, and I bring my right leg up high by lifting my knee (like a high marching motion, similar to an atomic motion I guess?).. My feet hit the ground at nearly the same time. When I actually get this all to happen cleanly (so far this only happens about once in 50, but it's all good! Once in 50 is better than none in 50!), I'm left with enough time to do the aforementioned butterfly etc.. Thanks Much. Bob Riefer PS- Good fun at Eastcoasts this past weekend. Thanks to the tourney directors (Vince, Neil, Jason, Jeff, DC All Stars etc..)!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 14:49:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17360 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:49:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA32501 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:31:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 9981 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2000 21:31:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000501213121.9980.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.194] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 01 May 2000 14:31:21 PDT Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:31:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] final boast! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup everyone! Ok this will probably be my last boast 'till i can back this sh*t up with video. After hitting my first blurry torque, ive been dying to seal it. Finally, about 50 blurry torque> drop/hand catch later, I sealed it like this......... Blurry torque> butterfly> ripwalk> butterfly> blurry torque ATTEMPT! Not bad for a NEWBIE hey? Also, I hit a twirl. yay (not hard at all considering i dont even skool swirl) Im gonna go seal some more blurry torques and hopfully hit it weakside. later, Jamez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 17:15:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17659 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:15:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05346 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:59:42 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf0qp.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.131.89]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20834 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000501194921.00b64e80@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 19:57:04 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] final boast! In-Reply-To: <20000501213121.9980.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 02:31 PM 5/1/00 -0700, Jamez Risden wrote: >Blurry torque> butterfly> ripwalk> butterfly> blurry >torque ATTEMPT! Not to diminish your achievements one iota (very nice indeed!), but for the sake of argument doesn't "sealing" mean to be closed on *both* sides of a move? That is, to "seal" a Blurry Torque in a guiltless context, would you not have to do a 3-add or better before as well as after? Just asking to clear up my own muddled mind. I'm sure the answer lies in the freestyle archives, but I can't seem to search on the message bodies yet... -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 19:23:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17784 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:23:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f230.hotmail.com [216.32.181.230]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08956 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 18:42:43 -0700 Received: (qmail 8855 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2000 01:42:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000502014214.8854.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.151.225.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 May 2000 18:42:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.151.225.201] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] RE: More Boasting!/"Sealing" Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:42:14 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, >Not to diminish your achievements one iota (very nice indeed!), but for the >sake of argument doesn't "sealing" mean to be closed on >*both* sides of a >move? That is, to "seal" a Blurry Torque in a >guiltless context, would >you not have to do a 3-add or better before >as well as after? Just asking >to clear up my own muddled mind. I was under the same impression. James, you are NOT "sealing" your blurry torque. To seal you must hit your blurry torque in between moves without pausing. At least that's how I've always understood the concept of "sealing" Props to you though, James. Keep it up. The Mouse ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 19:24:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17796 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:24:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07017 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:47:41 -0700 Received: from piff (d143.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.143]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with SMTP id UAA23401; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d301bfb3cf$a52300c0$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Reply-To: "tony carter-piff" From: "tony carter-piff" To: , "Ernest Crvich" References: <4.3.1.20000501194921.00b64e80@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: [freestyle] tilting/guilting/sealing Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:44:59 -0400 Organization: swarthmore college MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > move? That is, to "seal" a Blurry Torque in a guiltless context, would you > not have to do a 3-add or better before as well as after? Sort of on this topic, I need a little clarification. To "go tiltless" means no moves less than 2 adds, correct? That means every touch needs to be a "trick," like, at least a legover or mirage, not a simple toe catch. But clipper=2 adds. Is going from, say, toe mirage to clipper "tilting?" I think so. I understand that adds are levels of complexity--not necessarily difficulty--and clipper is certainly more complex than toe...So, is tiltless a measure of "complexity" or difficulty? tony From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 22:55:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18038 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 22:55:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA14461 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 21:32:23 -0700 Received: (qmail 20689 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2000 04:32:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000502043224.20688.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.210.166] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 01 May 2000 21:32:24 PDT Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:32:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamez Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] final boast! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org My bad, I guess I havent sealed blurry torque. (only half ass) Just have to work harder. I think I pulled something doing pdx whirls, blurry whirls, and blenders today. I get a sharp pain in the back of my left thigh whenever I do that whirly motion. Can anyone relate to this? All well, at least I can skool other stuff without bothering it. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 12:46:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19579 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:46:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19576 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:46:29 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09784 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:41:01 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25542 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:39:43 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle list update: new moderator Brian Kimball Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, folks. I just wanted to update everyone that we now have a new moderator for the freestyle discussion list: Brian Kimball . I will be taking a back seat for the time being. For those of you who don't know what moderation is, please feel free to write me or Brian for an explanation. The poll I put on footbag.org a few months ago clearly indicated that people were generally happy with the moderation (though I know how some of you feel :-)). However, I have not had time or energy to do as good of a job as I have in the past, and rather than turn off moderation or risk continuing to offend people with my terse style, I've asked Brian to take on this (thankless) task. Brian has been a great help to me with several footbag.org projects, and I want to publically thank him as he starts to take over moderation of the list. As many of you know, he's also been the administrator who handles new-member requests and other administrivia relating to the discussion lists. So, please welcome Brian, and give him as much support as you can in his new role. Thanks. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 18:45:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21275 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:45:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ux4.isu.edu (mta@ux4.isu.edu [134.50.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14570 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:54:08 -0700 Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.103.12]) by ux4.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5980 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:56:17 -0600 Message-ID: <390F4F88.F2BF60BE@isu.edu> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:58:32 -0600 From: Bob Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: [freestyle] Triple around the world and beyond Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey freestylers, I was just thinking today about how incredibly fast the notion of a triple around the world seems. Then, I got to wondering what would be possible if we could move as fast as either sound (in dry air) or light. Assuming a leg goes in a perfect circles around the bag with a 3.5 inch radius for each circle (which is probably not true, but this is just an approximation anyway), then the distance traveled for each revolution around the bag is 0.549m. Given that the speed of sound in air is 331 m/s, and the speed of light is 2.998*10^8 m/s, one can calculate that 602 revolutions/s and 5.46*10^8 revolutions/s are possible for sound and light, respectively (Once again, these are just approximations). If one makes the further assumption that there is a second between contacts (a time which obviosly varies from person to person), then a "six-hundred and twople" around the world, and a "five-hundred and fourty-six millionple" around the world would be possible when moving as fast as sound or light, respectively. So now you know why you move faster when you are listening to music out in the sun. Those sound waves and light waves (particles???) are just helping you along. Some strange, but oddly humorous thoughts, Bob "feelin' like a dork" Green From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 18:47:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21298 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:47:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12201 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:33:53 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-33 #39336) with SMTP id <0FTY00J0194EFN@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] final boast! Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:33:50 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan In-reply-to: <4.3.1.20000501194921.00b64e80@pop.mindspring.com> To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 1 May 2000, Ernest Crvich wrote: > sake of argument doesn't "sealing" mean to be closed on *both* sides of a > move? That is, to "seal" a Blurry Torque in a guiltless context, would you > not have to do a 3-add or better before as well as after? You know I always thought of sealing as being able to hit a move and hit another move after it, but a couple of weeks ago my friend and I were talking about it and he made a very good point that the move seemed very open ended if you didn't play into it. I always want to take my harder moves and be able to play into them (though not always with success). My friend made another really good point as well...It allows for more versatility in runs. I mean it's COOL AS HELL to be able to hit blurry torque or blurriest or pdx atom smasher, but it sucks if it always has to be your first trick if you want to hit it. Sealing both ends just makes you a better all around player. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 18:48:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21317 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:48:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11819 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:25:50 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-33 #39336) with SMTP id <0FTY00I018QRRC@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:25:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:25:38 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilting/guilting/sealing In-reply-to: <00d301bfb3cf$a52300c0$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> To: tony carter-piff Cc: freestyle@footbag.org, Ernest Crvich Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 1 May 2000, tony carter-piff wrote: > difficulty--and clipper is certainly more complex than toe...So, is tiltless > a measure of "complexity" or difficulty? And some other stuff about tiltless. Yes you have the definition of tiltless correct and yes going from mirage to clipper is tiltless. As to complexity or difficulty you get into the adds debate which sucks. Adds may be more an issue of complexity than difficulty, being that trick values are based on the various components of moves. When you actually do certain tricks you find them to be more difficult than others that have the same add value. That gets to be very relative to each individual and can tend to be a matter of practice when it comes to how easily you end up hitting it. So answer the problem personally. Is it harder for you to be tiltless than it is to tilt? Are there a whole bunch of one add moves that are harder for you to throw in than twos or threes even. I can honestly say that 1 year ago I went guiltless and could barely do a spinning clipper, but I could hit spinning butterfly. Somehow it just felt easier to me and less complex. Alright enough from me. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 18:50:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21338 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:50:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2005.mail.yahoo.com (web2005.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.205]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA11378 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:15:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 14485 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2000 20:15:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000502201544.14484.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.207.3.178] by web2005.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 02 May 2000 13:15:44 PDT Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:15:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] final boast! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ernest Crvich wrote: > nice indeed!), but for the sake of argument > doesn't "sealing" mean to be closed on *both* > sides of a move? That is, to "seal" a Blurry > Torque in a guiltless context, would you not > have to do a 3-add or better before as well as > after? Ya know, I don't think it matters. So many people start their runs by kicking into a clipper these days that I think such a definition of *seal* is pointless. If you hit a move from start to finish and execute enough control to go to another guiltless move, then it's yours. I do, however, recommend to learn every trick from a butterfly rather than clipper- it will help in the long run. Kudos! Eli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 19:19:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21524 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:19:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21521 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:19:39 -0700 Received: from adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (mail@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.123.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23961 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:14:10 -0700 Received: from bfk by adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12mofz-0004fl-00 for ; Tue, 02 May 2000 19:14:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:14:11 -0700 From: "Brian F. Kimball" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilting/guilting/sealing Message-ID: <20000502191411.H17557@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> Mail-Followup-To: freestyle@footbag.org References: <00d301bfb3cf$a52300c0$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from kaplanb@mscd.edu on Tue, May 02, 2000 at 02:25:38PM -0600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Kaplan wrote: > Yes you have the definition of tiltless correct and yes going from > mirage to clipper is tiltless. You know, I just went back and looked at Tony's question and noticed he thought mirage to clipper WAS tilting, i.e. was not tiltless. So he didn't quite have the definition right. Tilting/guilting/tripping are solely related to adds. Even if clipper is easy for you it's still not a tilt, so mirage to clipper is a tiltless (but short :-) string. tony carter-piff wrote: > Is going from, say, toe mirage to clipper "tilting?" I think so. -- Brian F. Kimball From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 21:09:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21949 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:09:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f57.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.57]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27463 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 20:50:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 49460 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2000 03:49:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000503034936.49459.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.213.189 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 May 2000 20:49:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.189] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: ezshredz@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] final boast! Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 20:49:36 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eli Piltz wrote: >I do, however, recommend to learn every trick from >a butterfly rather than clipper- it will help in >the long run. > Kudos! These are the best words of wisdom one could mention. If you learned every trick, especially on your bad side, from a butterfly it would and will better your game. Right on Eli...kudos to "you" man. Later. ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 21:30:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22072 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:30:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28172 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:16:05 -0700 Received: from piff (d143.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.143]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with SMTP id AAA01917; Wed, 3 May 2000 00:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008901bfb4b5$f06b3020$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Reply-To: "tony carter-piff" From: "tony carter-piff" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilting/guilting/sealing Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:13:30 -0400 Organization: swarthmore college MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > > You know, I just went back and looked at Tony's question and noticed he > > thought mirage to clipper WAS tilting, i.e. was not tiltless. So he > > didn't quite have the definition right. > > tony carter-piff wrote: > > > > > Is going from, say, toe mirage to clipper "tilting?" I think so. > Oops, Brian, I didn't really mean that was my understanding of the word. I wanted to say that going straight to clipper seems like it should be a tilt, even at 2 adds. Not that adds matter, mind you. Play on. tony From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 22:58:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22238 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:58:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30551 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:35:59 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf0kj.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.130.147]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01435 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 01:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000503004806.00b4f960@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 01:33:16 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triple around the world and beyond In-Reply-To: <390F4F88.F2BF60BE@isu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 03:58 PM 5/2/00 -0600, Bob Green wrote: > I was just thinking today about how incredibly fast the notion of a >triple around the world seems. Then, I got to wondering what would be >possible if we could move as fast as either sound (in dry air) or >light. Alas, I regret to inform the freestyle community that our beloved Bob "Feelin' Like A Dork" Green was killed in a horrible accident this evening, shortly after the above posting, during his attempt to perform a feat of physics that far surpassed the laws of nature and good sense, upon which his body literally exploded. Witnesses claimed this catastrophe generated a sound similar to a watermelon dropped from a height onto a sidewalk, followed by a brilliant flash of pink light...a pair of events that echoed the very thoughts that must have been straining his mind at the time. Let us all take a few moments to remember Bob Green, the man - indeed, the legend as of today - as he was: taking the sport of footbag freestyle to limits that no man...no sane man...would venture, rather than as the totally gross and icky corpse he has become. You're in our thoughts, Bob, wherever you are...I mean, that is to say, wherever your spirit is...not all those bloody bits that are all strewn about, we know where those are...but, well, you know what I mean...here's to Bob! *clink* With fondest memories and deepest apologies, Ernest -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 3 07:45:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24069 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:45:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.18]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31364 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:06:00 -0700 Received: from czpwa - 205.184.160.35 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:05:33 -0700 Message-ID: <006201bfb4ce$5f12e640$23a0b8cd@czpwa> From: "Richard Reese" To: "tony carter-piff" , Cc: References: <008901bfb4b5$f06b3020$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilting/guilting/sealing Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:08:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello shredders, If you start a combo with a toe stall and then a clipper stall and then continue to hit tricks after that , it's ok, Ryan always starts his combos with a right toe, left clipper. He's awesome, and he , along with many other top kickers, hit their top tricks as their first trick in the combo. This relates to sealing.Hit a blurry torque as your first trick, then hit any other three add move next and it's sealed...bottom line. However, it may not get on the video highlights, it's still sealed. As a matter of fact, I used to start all my combos with a toe stall or clipper. But for the last 3 or 4 years I've used a butterfly as my first trick, mainly to increase that ever pesky add ratio. Daryl, Kenny, Scott, and a few others start this way but it really doesn't matter, start however you want, whatever works. Also, A tilt is any 1add move performed after a 2 or 3 add move. A guilt is any 2 add move hit after a 3 add move. Penalty is to have to pass the bag immediatly after tilting or guilting, this forces you to become better. Has anybody hit an inspinning super duper fly, or a gyro symposium down double? I want to see it. Take it easy, Rippin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tony carter-piff" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilting/guilting/sealing > > > You know, I just went back and looked at Tony's question and noticed he > > > thought mirage to clipper WAS tilting, i.e. was not tiltless. So he > > > didn't quite have the definition right. > > > tony carter-piff wrote: > > > > > > > Is going from, say, toe mirage to clipper "tilting?" I think so. > > > > Oops, Brian, I didn't really mean that was my understanding of the word. I > wanted to say that going straight to clipper seems like it should be a tilt, > even at 2 adds. Not that adds matter, mind you. Play on. > > tony > > > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 3 17:13:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26666 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:13:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f137.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.137]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01055 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:12:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 44145 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2000 22:12:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000503221225.44144.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.161.42.100 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 May 2000 15:12:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.161.42.100] From: "jim penske" To: freestyle_spaz@hotmail.com, ezshredz@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] final boast! Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:12:25 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have also learned that doing a butterfly into other moves is helpful. not only does it make you better it puts some style into you runs. Jim-hat >From: "Bryan Fournier" >To: ezshredz@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] final boast! >Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 20:49:36 PDT > >Eli Piltz wrote: > >>I do, however, recommend to learn every trick from >>a butterfly rather than clipper- it will help in >>the long run. >> Kudos! > >These are the best words of wisdom one could mention. If you learned every >trick, especially on your bad side, from a butterfly it would and will >better your game. Right on Eli...kudos to "you" man. Later. > > >~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 3 17:27:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26752 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:27:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f275.hotmail.com [216.32.180.129]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA06047 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:19:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 7238 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2000 00:18:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000504001845.7237.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.202.182 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 May 2000 17:18:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.202.182] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Double Dexterities... Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 00:18:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, I was just wondering what is a good move to break the barrier from single dexterities to doubles. So, what is the easiest double dex move to do, and the one I should learn first?? Thanks, Cole http://www.footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 3 19:19:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27128 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 19:19:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09824 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:36:19 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.200.190]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FU000K1EHK9OM@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:31:20 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] I need help finding a place to stay at western regionals To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <000701bfb568$73a0af80$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, many of you know me, my name is Sam Colclough. I'm 17 years old. I have no place to stay in San Fransisco for western regionals. I'll cook or clean or anything. You can call me at 818 846 8909 or just e-mail me. Thanks a lot! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 3 19:20:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27155 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 19:20:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web3407.mail.yahoo.com (web3407.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10237 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:45:56 -0700 Message-ID: <20000504014527.14886.qmail@web3407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.49.164.9] by web3407.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 03 May 2000 18:45:27 PDT Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Owen Parrish Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dexterities... To: Cole Hobson , freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I like toe>same in>op out>same toe. that was my first double dex move. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 3 20:20:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27411 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 20:20:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f47.hotmail.com [216.32.181.47]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA13159 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 20:05:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 47640 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2000 03:05:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000504030510.47639.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.151.225.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 May 2000 20:05:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.151.225.201] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dexterities... Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 23:05:10 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Cole, Owen Parrish wrote: >I like toe>same in>op out>same toe. that was my first >double dex move. What he is referring to is a Pixie Leg-Over. Personally, My first double dex move was a Double ATW, but this all depends on what you are skooling and what is easier for you. After hitting the DOuble ATW, I hit a smear (pixie mirage) which I find pretty easy but again, it all depends. If I were you, I'd work on nailing down different sets, (pixie, fairy, stepping, etc.). Laterz, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 11:26:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30555 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:26:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14854 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:02:52 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf8ho.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.162.56]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27443 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 00:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000503224134.00b64100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 23:18:19 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dexterities... In-Reply-To: <20000504001845.7237.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:18 AM 5/4/00 +0000, Cole Hobson wrote: >I was just wondering what is a good move to break the barrier from single >dexterities to doubles. So, what is the easiest double dex move to do, >and the one I should learn first?? As I sit here with my Snyder's sourdough pretzels, munching back to my early days as a freestyling whippersnapper, I recall a brief but memorable conversation I had with myself on this very subject...it's...it's all coming back to me now... "Ernest," I said, "you're really nailing those Butterfly stalls like cake, so why don't you go for the gold?" "Why, Ernest, whatever do you mean?" I queried. "Well, you probably have enough time to throw your leg around TWICE instead of once, don't you think?" I offered. "Holy Nell Carter!" I exclaimed. "You're right!" And so, I soon hit my first Paradon, and lived happily ever after. The end. Well, actually...there's also a really long bit about some salamanders and a drinking straw, but that will have to wait for another occasion. -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 11:27:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30575 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:27:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15046 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:08:10 -0700 Received: from r79a006587aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.178.150] helo=funazs) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12nCvm-00044c-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 4 May 2000 00:08:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01bfb57f$4cb0ea40$96b27ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Reply-To: "MIke Furnari" From: "MIke Furnari" To: References: <20000504030510.47639.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: [freestyle] Nemisis checkup.... Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 00:14:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i was just wondering.... has anyone come close to a nemisis yet and is anyone actially trying for it??? --Mike Furnari From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 11:28:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30586 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:28:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f271.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.49]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA15173 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:11:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 50407 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2000 04:11:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000504041105.50406.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 May 2000 21:11:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: mickey_mayer@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dexterities... Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 00:11:05 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey friends, I want an East Coast Champs update! Who was there, what was hit, who was hit? Was there a phat combo contest? In response to the recent string about sealing, my feeling is that if you play through a move from start to finish looking good and keeping it under control, then it is sealed. In the opening of Sultans, Ryan hits toe stall-clipper-big apple- ps whirl. If he had executed an overhead hand catch after the big apple, i would consider it sealed, because he maintains control throughout the execution of the move. When I practice for a routine sometimes I will kick right into a ducking butterfly, and then do a spinning neck catch. This is technically a 0 add move to a 4 to a 2, but it is a sealed trick in my book. The key issue here is control and style, not adds. Take it from a sealing fan. Now somebody else asked about double dexterity moves, and which ones to learn first. Mickey Mayer replied: >If I were you, I'd work on nailing down different sets, (pixie, fairy, >stepping, etc.). I would strongly suggest otherwise. If you are at the point where you are just learning double dexterity moves, you should concentrate on rounding out your tiltless game, and picking up as many moves as possible which don't require a set. Sets are fun and open up the doors to many more moves, but it's more important to learn the basics first so you have more possibilities once you learn a set. Some good double dexes to learn both sides are: double leg over, eggbeater (Orig. Recipe), and paradon. If your first double dex is a smear, you will have an early start on a pixie set, but fewer creative options then if your first double dex was double leg over, and then you later learned pixie sets. Take it from me, it sucks having sets and not enough options to follow them up, and then having to go back and learn basics all over. Damn that was a long post. Good luck to anybody else out there wrapping up the school year...I feel your pain. Ken the ceiling fan. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 11:33:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30634 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:33:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Will Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25675 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 04:03:03 -0700 Received: by EXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 4 May 2000 07:03:06 -0400 Message-ID: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C192012FE@EXCH01> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Progress - Timid Boasting - Lap Stall Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 07:03:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org So here is what I started gettin last night. Poor Side Butterflys (Like really started hitting them well) Also because I set from a left toe stall it has helped that. I only now realised that it was still a little behind :( Butterfly > Butterfly (With Clippers mixed in) In > Out ATW and also Out > In ATW in strings of 3-4. Both Sides :) Osis? I do a Clipper stall and then as its going up spin around and face forward again. Also one question. I hit lap stall to clipper stall. That got a name? Its like a 2 inch drop from the lap to the crossed postion of the actual stall and if you are going for "Flow" this may be a move. Its problably like 1 add but, heck... Also good for high hits > Lap stall. Hey, any footbaggers live in Mid-New York State? Had to get that out there. Thanks All, Will Wells From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 11:34:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30645 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:34:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f69.hotmail.com [209.185.131.132]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA28761 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 05:04:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 71641 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2000 12:03:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000504120349.71640.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.225.102.154 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 May 2000 05:03:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [149.225.102.154] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dexterities... Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:03:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >So, what is the easiest double dex move to do, and >the one I should learn first?? it depends. pixie moves arent that hard (pixie legover, pixie butterfly etc.) maybe clipper set double legover. ive hit double ATW first. just wrote a 6hour physics test =/ fabian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 11:36:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30658 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:36:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhost.cmc.net (mailhost.cmc.net [206.102.31.250]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06220 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:26:35 -0700 Received: from cmc.net (113-126.butte.cc.ca.us [205.155.113.126]) by mailhost.cmc.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA02338 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3911A49B.6A9088C6@cmc.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:26:03 -0700 From: Joshua Feltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Laver Millenniums for $30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just for Feet has changed the price of their Laver Millenniums to $30.00 Check it out at http://www.feet.com/default.sph/JFF.class?FNC=ViewItem__AActivators_html___2839. Hopefully this isn't just a computer error. Alas, they only carry up to size 12 :-( Happy Kicking, Joshua Feltman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 13:01:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31057 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:01:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f137.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.137]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14430 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 12:44:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 11002 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2000 19:44:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000504194422.11001.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 May 2000 12:44:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.17] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Nemesis checkup.... Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:44:22 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org MIke Furnari asked: >i was just wondering.... >has anyone come close to a nemesis yet and is anyone actially trying for >it??? Oh yah, I hit that all the time, take a look: http://members.xoom.com/NemesisDS/multimedia/nemesis2.gif I´m sure the ever secretive "legend of Sunil Jani" and the less publicized Stuart Macferson are hot on the trail. I would also mention Ryan Mulroney, but he doesn't need any encouragement. Cheers -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 13:41:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31199 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:41:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07811 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:08:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 13038 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2000 17:08:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000504170809.13037.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.153.252.243] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 04 May 2000 10:08:09 PDT Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Jones To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey hey hey, I'm living in Den Haag (pretty close to Amsterdam) right now. If there are any freestylers in the area, write me back so we can get together and skool! :-) Adios, Jane From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 21:30:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32655 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 21:30:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (c014-h022.c014.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.86]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA10001 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:04:57 -0700 Received: (cpmta 1327 invoked from network); 4 May 2000 10:31:24 -0700 Received: from 63-248-119-229.usa3.flashcom.net (HELO ul2ju) (63.248.119.229) by smtp.flashcom.net with SMTP; 4 May 2000 10:31:24 -0700 X-Sent: 4 May 2000 17:31:24 GMT From: "Mike Stoler" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triple around the world and beyond Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:36:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000801bfb5ef$42133730$e577f83f@flashcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bob Green wrote: > Assuming a leg goes in a perfect circles around the bag with a 3.5 > inch radius for each circle (which is probably not true, but this is > just an approximation anyway), then the distance traveled for each > revolution around the bag is 0.549m. Given that the speed of sound > in air is 331 m/s, and the speed of light is 2.998*10^8 m/s, one can > calculate that 602 revolutions/s and 5.46*10^8 revolutions/s are > possible for sound and light, respectively (Once again, these are > just approximations). If one makes the further assumption that > there is a second between contacts (a time which obviosly varies > from person to person), then a "six-hundred and twople" around the > world, and a "five-hundred and fourty-six millionple" around the > world would be possible when moving as fast as sound or light, > respectively. Applying elementary physics to the above situation, one can calculate the amount of G force the leg would experience under such circumstances. The amount of force that the leg would experience in an outward direction is determined by the following equation: F = m v**2 / r where m is the mass of the object in question and v is the velocity r is the radius Not really sure how much a leg weighs. I figure it's at least a pound. We'll use that. (To calculate G forces we will want the ratio of the weight to the force. Having the weight be 1 pound will make things easier.) Also, I'm a little rusty, which is why I'm exposing my work. Please forgive me. m = 1 lb = 1 / 2.205 kg ~= 0.4535 kg = 453.5 g = 0.4535 kg r = 3.5 inches = 3.5 in * (1 cm / 2.54 in) = 13.78 cm = 0.01378 m v = speed of sound = 331 m / s and this gives us: F = m * v**2 / r = 0.4535 * 331 * 331 / 0.01378 = 360565.41 N (sorry, units are now "Newtons") = 360565.41 N * (0.2248 lb / N) (converting to lbs) = 81055.10 lbs Now since the leg weighs one pound, this is a significant amount of force pulling the leg outwards. You might say that the outer leghairs experience a "G force" of 81055 G's, which is an aweful lot of "G's". Trust me. Now if the leg is moving at the speed of light, there are a whole bunch of other problems. It just can't. Again, trust me. I'm not even too sure about that the application of this "orbital" equation with velocity close to the speed of light is valid. Still it yields the following: m = 1 lb = 0.4535 kg r = 0.01378 m v = c = speed of light = 2.998 * 10^8 giving us: F = 6.65 * 10^16 lbs or a very very large number. May our friend Bob rest in piece. (pieces?) .. For those who wonder, for a double around the world, same assumptions: m = 1 lb = 0.4535 kg r = 0.01378 m c = circumference = 2 * pi * r = 0.08658 m (NOTE: Bob, i think you made an error here.) v = circumference * 2 / 1 sec = 0.08658 m * 2 / 1 sec = 0.17316 m / s giving: F = 0.2218 G's or just under 1/4 of 1 G. For a triple around the world: v = circumference * 3 / 1 sec = (0.08658 m) * 3 / 1 sec = 0.2597 m / s giving F = 0.4990 lbs or very close to 1/2 G ** For those interested in math / physics, the force goes up in direct proportion to speed *squared* so small increases in speed can increase in G force significantly. ** For the quadruple around the worlds guys in the group: v = circumference * 4 / 1 sec = (0.08658 m) * 4 / 1 sec = 0.3463 m / s giving F = 0.887318479502491 or nearly 90% of 1 G. Now, that's getting significant. Kick on, happy 'stylers Rex dang, i knew that degree in physics would come in handy one day From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 21:42:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32689 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 21:42:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32686 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 21:42:34 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00491 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 21:36:57 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20622 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 21:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801bfb5ef$42133730$e577f83f@flashcom.com> References: <000801bfb5ef$42133730$e577f83f@flashcom.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 21:36:38 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triple around the world and beyond Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:36 AM -0700 5/4/00, Mike Stoler wrote: > m = 1 lb = 1 / 2.205 kg ~= 0.4535 kg > = 453.5 g > = 0.4535 kg >blah...blah... I really need to start moderating this list again. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 21:57:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32717 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 21:57:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29603 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 19:42:36 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.202.15]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FU2000ITFHCNP@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 4 May 2000 19:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 19:41:34 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver Millenniums for $30 To: Joshua Feltman , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <001d01bfb63b$6db705a0$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 References: <3911A49B.6A9088C6@cmc.net> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ah ha.. but me, being cool.. here they are up to size 13! http://www.adidas.800shoes.com/ma.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Feltman" To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 9:26 AM Subject: [freestyle] Laver Millenniums for $30 > Just for Feet has changed the price of their Laver Millenniums to > $30.00 Check it out at > > http://www.feet.com/default.sph/JFF.class?FNC=ViewItem__AActivators_html___2839. > > Hopefully this isn't just a computer error. Alas, they only carry up to > size 12 :-( > > Happy Kicking, > Joshua Feltman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 11:41:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02174 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 11:41:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ucsub.Colorado.EDU (ucsub.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07474 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 03:00:18 -0700 Received: (from schneija@localhost) by ucsub.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/ITS-5.0/standard) id EAA19067 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 5 May 2000 04:00:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Jonathan Schneider Message-Id: <200005051000.EAA19067@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Subject: [freestyle] we call him Quadzilla! To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 04:00:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Everybody! some big news from Boulder, CO. I don't know how to put it, it all happened so fast... and so many times! in our basement tonight Red Shred Husted hit Shooting Down-Double-Down. many time. he sealed it about a dozen or so. for the mathematically challenged, (like me) that adds up to four dexterities. and yeah, it is on video. a few of 'em. to mark to occasion of the eta aquarid meteor shower tonight, we've dubbed it Shoot Star. the really amazing thing is that Red has hardly been playing any footbag this winter. i guess some time off doesn't hurt some people. that little basement of ours though, has been home to some other kinds of magic lately too. just the other night, Dynamite Dave Holton hit a few Blurry Zulu Le Loups. in other words, a stepping otherside diving (paradox diving) butterfly. The Boulder Blades footbag is cutting edge! and Red Diggler is our bright and shining star. catch y'all.. shpater, dudes Jonathan Schneider Outsider@footbag.org p.s. can anyone out there tell me what a Choco-Taco is? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 11:52:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02197 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 11:52:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02194 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 11:52:30 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25310 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 11:46:51 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08554 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 11:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200005051000.EAA19067@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> References: <200005051000.EAA19067@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:46:16 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] we call him Quadzilla! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 4:00 AM -0600 5/5/00, Jonathan Schneider wrote: >tonight Red Shred Husted hit Shooting Down-Double-Down. many time. >he sealed it about a dozen or so. for the mathematically challenged, >(like me) that adds up to four dexterities. That's *amazing*! For those who don't know, there has never been a documented 4-dex move hit by a real human being. (Not that Red really qualifies! :-) You can tell him I said that, Jon. :-)) Goes to show you what a little rest'll do for ya. Give Red a fat kiss on the cheek for me (please, no exchange of bodily fluids). Though, some could argue that shooting isn't really a double-dex move. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 12:26:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02289 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:26:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26073 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:01:44 -0700 Received: from piff (d143.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.143]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with SMTP id PAA05608; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d801bfb6c3$fcc04440$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Reply-To: "tony carter-piff" From: "tony carter-piff" To: References: <200005051000.EAA19067@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Subject: Re: [freestyle] we call him Quadzilla! Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:59:06 -0400 Organization: swarthmore college MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > That's *amazing*! For those who don't know, there has never been a > documented 4-dex move hit by a real human being. Holy cow, yes, that is unreal! But, nemesis is being hit now by Mike Furnari-- does it not qualify as a 4dex?... tony From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 12:30:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02310 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:30:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02307 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:30:49 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26975 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:25:09 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26371 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00d801bfb6c3$fcc04440$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> References: <200005051000.EAA19067@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> <00d801bfb6c3$fcc04440$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:24:38 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] we call him Quadzilla! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 2:59 PM -0400 5/5/00, tony carter-piff wrote: > > That's *amazing*! For those who don't know, there has never been a > > documented 4-dex move hit by a real human being. > >Holy cow, yes, that is unreal! But, nemesis is being hit now by Mike >Furnari-- does it not qualify as a 4dex?... I said "documented". Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 23:09:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03727 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:09:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11397 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 21:16:20 -0700 Received: from r7a002396aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.183.94] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12nw0q-0000qw-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 6 May 2000 00:16:20 -0400 Message-ID: <002901bfb711$17fc4900$5eb77ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Reply-To: "Tyler Guindon" From: "Tyler Guindon" To: Subject: [freestyle] New Moves and Add Question Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 00:11:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Guys, While trying to stay awake in class one day, I started dreaming up some new moves. Let me just say that I am NO WHERE NEAR hitting ANY of these and I am simply posting them because I'm curious if, they already exist first of all, and if anyone could possibly hit them. Ok, here is the Jobs for them... 1. CLIP>OP IN [DEX]>SAME IN [DEX]>(back) SPIN [BOD]>OP CLIP [DEL] [XBD] 5 adds by my count (basically a clipper set atw into a torque) 2. CLIP>OP IN [DEX]>OP OUT [PDX] [DEX]>OP BACK SWIRL [PDX] [DEX]>SAME CLIP [DEL] [XBD] that gets 7 adds if im not mistaken (i have no idea what this would be) Now, I realize that these are difficult, especially the second one, but I think that the motions are doable for advanced shredders. I searched Footbag.org for these moves but they're not on there... please dont hesitate to rip me apart if anything is wrong. My add question is for the shooting torque... the jobs for it is... CLIP > OP IN [DEX] > OP OUT [PDX][DEX] > OP IN [DEX] > (back) SPIN [BOD] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] Im curious as to why the second OP IN doesnt get a paradox add? I know that a paradox is defined loosely, but it is my understanding that anytime a op dex follows an op dex, the second dex gets a paradox add, implying that the support leg did the dex. Maybe im just confused... thanks for your help Tyler Guindon P.S. Just to kill any controversy before it starts... I kick with Mike Furnari all the time and he has NEVER hit a nemesis. He was simply curious as to if anyone could hit it or was trying it... mad props to Red Husted for hitting the first 4 dex though... excellent From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 23:40:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03805 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:40:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA28522 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 13:06:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 27983 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2000 20:07:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000505200702.27982.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.174] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 05 May 2000 13:07:02 PDT Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:07:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamez Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] we call him Quadzilla! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org wrote: > tonight Red Shred Husted hit Shooting > Down-Double-Down. many time. Thats frickin crazy! > > p.s. can anyone out there tell me what a Choco-Taco > is? I thought that was one of those ice cream thingys you get from taco john's! Is it also a footbag move or somthin'? Today i hit- ripwalk> ripwalk> blurry whirl> blurry whirl> osis> bunch of 3's That hardly compares to ReD though. Later, Jamez "The One" Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 23:44:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03816 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:44:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (mx1.magmacom.com [206.191.0.217]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02464 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:07:58 -0700 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19570 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 19:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave (port-2-97.magma.ca [206.191.63.97]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27070 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 19:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004001bfb6e6$578f36c0$0b01010a@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] we call him Quadzilla! Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:05:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- > some big news from Boulder, CO. I don't know how to put it, >it all happened so fast... and so many times! in our basement >tonight Red Shred Husted hit Shooting Down-Double-Down. many time. >he sealed it about a dozen or so. for the mathematically challenged, >(like me) that adds up to four dexterities. and yeah, it is on >video. a few of 'em. COOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!! Congrats to Red! We're not worthy! So the record for consecutive 4-dex moves is 1. Who's gonna beat it? :) > to mark to occasion of the eta aquarid meteor >shower tonight, we've dubbed it Shoot Star. And awesome name too (assuming you mean "Shooting Star"). Good stuff. Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 23:48:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03828 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:48:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06793 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 18:41:15 -0700 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.7a.4dae3c0 (3939) for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 21:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7a.4dae3c0.2644d21e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 21:40:46 EDT Subject: [freestyle] rakes To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers I have a question about rakes. What exactly is a rake. I thought it was to set it with right toe then spin so the bag is behind you. Then grab the footbag with your right toe(when the bag is behind you) and swing it forward. My friend Jamez (the one who hits blurry torque and SEALS it right in front of my eyes) said that i wasn't doing a rake. I am very confused. I saw Lon Smith(on sultons) hit this exact move except from clipper. Please someone clear this up. Later Adam P.S. Props to Red for the 4-dexer!!!!!!!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 23:50:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03842 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:50:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f162.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.162]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA30843 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 14:10:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 97005 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2000 21:10:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000505211005.97004.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.213.62 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 May 2000 14:10:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.62] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: stoler@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triple around the world and beyond Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 14:10:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org HEE HEE HEE HE...GO REX!!! for any of you who are foreign to this physics master... he is your one and only mike stoler... head member of Hermosa Beach (L.A.), CA footbag club... see you at next session rex... good stuff! ~Bryan >From: "Mike Stoler" >To: >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triple around the world and beyond >Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:36:19 -0700 >Applying elementary physics to the above situation, one can calculate >the amount of G force the leg would experience under such >circumstances. > >The amount of force that the leg would experience in an outward >direction is determined by the following equation: [...] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat May 6 11:21:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05246 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:21:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f115.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA32324 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:38:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 71528 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2000 12:38:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000506123820.71527.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 May 2000 05:38:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.17] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Moves and Add Question Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 05:38:20 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tyler Guindon wrote: "1. CLIP>OP IN [DEX]>SAME IN [DEX]>(back) SPIN [BOD]>OP CLIP [DEL] [XBD]" If I read this right then yur talking about a baroque (sp) way back in 97 I saw Torch do about 3 of these in a row, sick. 5 ADDs anyway. "2. CLIP>OP IN [DEX]>OP OUT [PDX] [DEX]>OP BACK SWIRL [PDX] [DEX]>SAME CLIP [DEL] [XBD]" If I read this right then it´s a stepping op butterfly swirl, although I hope someone has dreamt up a better name by now. You can see Ryan doing one amongst dallasfootbag´s world´s 99 footage. 5 adds, no paradox. "My add question is for the shooting torque... I'm curious as to why the second OP IN doesn't get a paradox add? I know that a paradox is defined loosely, but it is my understanding that anytime a op dex follows an op dex, the second dex gets a paradox add" Um no. I will now make a statement that will get me in trouble, trust no one person´s opinion of what paradox is or where it is applied. Saying that it is applied arbitrarily is wrong, but maybe closer to the truth than saying that, right now, it is closely defined anywhere. That said the logic goes that a set does not change the nature of paradox. So after the shooting set what was the planting leg is doing the dex instead of what was the setting leg, therefore no paradox add. Ok, everyone precede to yell at me. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 16:51:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09719 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:51:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f109.hotmail.com [216.32.181.109]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09948 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 18:06:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 17374 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2000 01:05:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000507010549.17373.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.151.225.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 May 2000 18:05:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.151.225.201] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Andrew's Nemesis Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 21:05:49 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, After looking and intensively examining Andrew McCargar's nemesis. I noticed something real funky about it. Actually, when Andrew posted that he "hits it all the time," I laughed out loud which led me to study the video he pointed us all to. Well, I have to applaud Andrew for his work because it is obviously a fake video that "kinda" looks real. If you watch the video a couple of times, you'll notice that after the barraging set is done, the bag reaches is peak (apex?), but here's where it gets weird, the bag stays at its apex for a little longer than it normally should. I just thought that everyone should know that the vid is FAKE! That way, no one spreads the rumor (I hate rumors!!) that someone has hit nemesis. Then again, there is the distinct possibility that Andrew has hit this insane trick and if he has then props (and props and props...) to him. Andrew, I hope I'm not sounding harsh but I am curious to know how you pull off making the video. Did you use Photoshop and if you really do hit nemesis, could you show us different vid of it (possibily one that shows your whole body in it? Peace all, The Mouse (who hopes he hasn't just made enemies) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 17:14:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09893 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 17:14:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA11768 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 14:55:56 -0700 Message-Id: <200005072155.OAA11768@Market.NET> Received: (qmail 16969 invoked from network); 7 May 2000 21:55:59 -0000 Received: from chi-ras-3-209-112-93-207.mc.net (HELO ?209.112.93.207?) (209.112.93.207) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 7 May 2000 21:55:59 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 16:39:54 -0500 Subject: [freestyle] Top quality footbags From: "Colin Larson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I recently got my Lavers and a new shiny Juice footbag. The Lavers kick, but I noticed the Juice footbag was a little smaller than I was used to playing with. So I kicked it about a week and noticed everything was kind of harder, except it had more control. But the thing spins wildly and will roll of your foot very easily on stalls. So I went back to my old $4 bag that is just some generic thing. It is big and floppy, but not that much bigger. It is way easier to stall than the Juice is, even though it's a cheapo. It's a 14 panel made out of different kinds of courdoroy jeans. A little smaller than a baseball. So my question is, how come my cheap $4 hack is some much better than my top quality (?) Juice hack which is recommended by everyone? The Juice is broken in pretty well, so it isn't that. And how come the majority of freestyle bags are so small? Oh well, hope you guys can help me figure this out. thanx, -Colin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 20:18:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10393 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:18:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f211.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.211]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA21115 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:30:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 20071 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2000 02:29:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000508022938.20070.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.106 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 May 2000 19:29:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.106] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Andrew's Nemesis Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 22:29:38 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hang on, was that video supposed to be taken seriously? i don't think the leg is even dexing the bag.. i thought it was just a cute joke that was posted for our amusement. :-\ ? Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 20:31:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10424 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:31:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10421 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:31:41 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23600 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:25:53 -0700 Received: from kaos (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11421 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.16.24.8] by kaos (8.8.8+Sun/Spike-2.0) id UAA10231; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000507010549.17373.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000507010549.17373.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:25:22 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Andrew's Nemesis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 9:05 PM -0400 5/6/00, Mickey Mayer wrote: >it is obviously a fake video No duh! Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 20:34:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10435 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:34:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20373 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:10:51 -0700 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.ee.4cfc06a (4072) for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:10:13 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Top quality footbags To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Colin, I totally agree with you. I've wondered about the same thing ever since I got my 32 panel sandbag facile. When I got it (along with my lavers) I was like, "Alrighty, time to get to work." So I practiced and practiced, and I saw that I had to kick it instead of stalling it. I'm pretty sure I could stall back then so I know it wasn't me. It got me very mad because as you know its pretty hard to finish a trick by kicking it. Then one day I ordered a 10 dollar, i think 12 panel sand bag. I was so happy after a few days of using it. I got it really good broken in and its medium size, but bigger than the facile. Sandbags are the best for stalling in my opinion. I still have it today. Also the facile sandbag I use to use leaked abunch, and putting sand in it like every 5 days wasn't my idea of fun. The sandbag I have now is not leaking at all. I'm linking my tricks easier and better because I can stall them better then set it up real good. I think the big heavy sandbag is 10x better than the facile. -Evan "Skykicker" Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 20:34:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10445 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:34:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web3403.mail.yahoo.com (web3403.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.57]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20408 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:12:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20000508021219.25188.qmail@web3403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.49.164.9] by web3403.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 07 May 2000 19:12:18 PDT Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Owen Parrish Subject: Re: [freestyle] Top quality footbags To: Colin Larson , freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I felt the same when when i got the juice. Give it time man. it needs to mature. wash it w/ cold water, and pert plus. rub in in your hands. you gotta be gentle. Owen "total package" parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 21:28:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10558 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:28:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24740 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:11:10 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf5sp.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.151.153]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA17818 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000507235348.00b6f100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 00:08:07 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Andrew's Nemesis In-Reply-To: <20000507010549.17373.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 09:05 PM 5/6/00 -0400, Mickey Mayer wrote: >I just thought that everyone should know that the vid is FAKE! Do you mean to tell me that there are people posting to this listserv that aren't being serious and factual all the time? Well...I...I just...I don't...I...I... Ahem. Please pardon me while I gather myself...my kilt is all in a ruffle now... Ok, that's it, Mickey...we've got to find ALL of these culprits and weed them out. There is no room for humor and sarcasm in this world, much less this listserv, and I'm behind you 100% to gid rid of each and every one of these offensive little mongrels. I think I can even get Lars Ulrich to help us. I just can't believe Steve could have allowed such seedy behavior to infest our community all these years. Hmmm....I wonder........ -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 22:43:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11005 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:43:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25633 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:43:45 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx50-58.ix.netcom.com [198.211.45.250]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29754 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391647FA.C67C15DF@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 23:52:10 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Moves and Add Question References: <002901bfb711$17fc4900$5eb77ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tyler Guindon wrote: > > > 1. CLIP>OP IN [DEX]>SAME IN [DEX]>(back) SPIN [BOD]>OP CLIP [DEL] [XBD] > 5 adds by my count (basically a clipper set atw into a torque) Yep. If you don't plant the foot between your first and second dexes, it is called a barroque (or a barraging osis). If you do plant the leg between the first and second dexes, it is called a stepping torque. I've seen both, but barroque is definitely more common. > 2. CLIP>OP IN [DEX]>OP OUT [PDX] [DEX]>OP BACK SWIRL [PDX] [DEX]>SAME CLIP > [DEL] [XBD] > that gets 7 adds if im not mistaken (i have no idea what this would be) This would be a ripwalk swirl, or a stepping opposite side butterfly swirl. I'm pretty sure I've seen Ahren hit this. This move doesn't have any paradox component, so it is a worthy 5 ADD move. On a side note, swirls never get paradox. And, you can't ever get two paradoxes in a single move. Why? Just because. > My add question is for the shooting torque... the jobs for it is... > CLIP > OP IN [DEX] > OP OUT [PDX][DEX] > OP IN [DEX] > (back) SPIN [BOD] > > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] > > Im curious as to why the second OP IN doesnt get a paradox add? I know that > a paradox is defined loosely, but it is my understanding that anytime a op > dex follows an op dex, the second dex gets a paradox add, implying that the > support leg did the dex. Maybe im just confused... thanks for your help Yep. You are confused. Just because there is an op dex followed by an op dex, you don't have to get a paradox. Read Steve's paradox tutorial on footbag.org/freestyle. And, like I said earlier, you can't get more than one paradox per move. Why? I don't know. It just isn't in the extremely restrictive definition of paradox. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 22:44:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11022 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:44:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25645 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:43:48 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx50-58.ix.netcom.com [198.211.45.250]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA11236 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391647FD.9FC16E2B@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 23:52:13 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] rakes References: <7a.4dae3c0.2644d21e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adam Mrosko wrote: > > I have a question about rakes. What exactly is a rake. I thought it was > to set it with right toe then spin so the bag is behind you. Then grab the > footbag with your right toe(when the bag is behind you) and swing it forward. I think you are talking about a cross body rake. When the initial contact is made in the cross body position, you get an extra ADD. So, a cross body rake is three ADDs and a regular rake is just two. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 22:44:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11040 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:44:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25657 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:43:50 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx50-58.ix.netcom.com [198.211.45.250]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA18795 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39164800.A46812D5@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 23:52:16 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Progress - Timid Boasting - Lap Stall References: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C192012FE@EXCH01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Will Wells wrote: > > Also one question. I hit lap stall to clipper stall. That got a name? > Its problably like 1 add but, heck... That is two seperate moves. A lap stall (one ADD move) to a clipper delay (two ADD move). Cool move despite the low ADD value. If you can throw it in and make it look good, do it. Try playing out to clippers on both sides. Also, try throwing something in before the lap stall (stepping, pixie, spinning sets, etc.). Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 22:45:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11051 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:45:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25949 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:53:45 -0700 Received: from r79a006587aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.178.150] helo=funazs) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ofYC-0001Kq-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:53:48 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01bfb8aa$4d022300$96b27ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Reply-To: "Mike Furnari" From: "Mike Furnari" To: References: <4.3.1.20000507235348.00b6f100@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Andrew's Nemesis Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 01:00:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ok..first of all i think his video and his post were both meant to be jokes. i will now tell you exactly how he pulled this stunt off he taped himself just doing the motions.. no hack involved then he added in the footbag later, making an almost sorta kinda good looking video just to prove my theory this is his video of the nemesis http://members.xoom.com/NemesisDS/multimedia/nemesis2.gif and this video of his ripwalk usins the same exact ball flight movement http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/NemesisDS/multimedia/ripwalk.gif Mike Furnari From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 22:53:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11088 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:53:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f204.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.204]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA27377 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:44:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 30951 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2000 05:43:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000508054346.30950.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 May 2000 22:43:46 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: colinyc@mc.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Top quality footbags Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 01:43:46 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freestylers. Colin Larson recently commented on how a "good" expensive bag can sometimes be less responsive than a cheap bag. My reply is this: there is no one uber-brand of shoe or footbag for this sport. Different kickers have different preferences and needs from their equipment. Red Husted and Jason Crook have been able to shred really hard using Nike cross-trainer style shoes. At the Philly Open a guy called Garrett tried to break the world record for consecutive kicks using old beat up generic sneakers and an old worn in Sipa Sipa. My bag of choice is Paul Mestas' 4 panel Revolution Sand bag, which usually goes for around $6. (insert advertisment here) Personally, I can do any trick just as easily with a Mestas 4 panel sand that i can do with a broken in carol bag, and the 4 panels are more durable, and don't require breaking in. So if you are asking for a recommendation of what a cheap and good bag is, I say get a Sandbag from Paul Mestas. If you are making the point that kickers can have different equipment preferences, then I also agree with you. Do keep in mind though that some footbags have a long breaking-in period, and that you shouldn't get discouraged too early. And props to Red for hitting the new 7. You're the Bannister of our sport. CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 8 07:43:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13176 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 07:43:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Ariel Santesteban Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29001 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 23:41:24 -0700 Received: from knuckles.excite.com ([199.172.148.179]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000508064058.EAKD6480.fortune.excite.com@knuckles.excite.com> for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 23:40:58 -0700 Message-ID: <25957204.957768058699.JavaMail.imail@knuckles.excite.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 23:40:58 -0700 (PDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] rakes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 143.166.99.242 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adam Mrosko wrote: > I have a question about rakes. What exactly is a rake? [stuff deleted] Derric Scalf wrote: > I think you are talking about a cross body rake. When the initial > contact is made in the cross body position, you get an extra ADD. So, a > cross body rake is three ADDs and a regular rake is just two. Hello everybody, I just wanted to add my 2 cents on the x-body rake thing. I think this is a cool move, but I don't see why it gets a cross body add. Every other move has to end in the x-body to get the add. Why is this move special? Imagine a reverse eclipse. This is a move I have never seen, but I think would be a worthy move, even though it would be "cheated" by the add system. If you can't imagine what this move would be, it would go like this: Jump and catch the bag in a flying clipper stall. Before you land, bring the non-catching foot, up and over the other foot. Release the bag from an inside stall before you land. Would this move get a cross-body add? I don't know, but it seems just as difficult as eclipse. And it begins cross-body, just like x-body rake. Hop-over gets x-body, but what about hop-back (the reverse of hop-over)? So, I would like some input from other list members. Do you think a move has to end in x-body to get the add? Do certain moves get excepted from this, and if so which moves? I have provided some examples of other tricks that should be considered for this exemption as well. Thanks for reading Ariel Austin Style Footbag Club (TX) _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 8 07:44:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13187 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 07:44:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f166.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.166]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA00789 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 02:38:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 14272 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2000 09:38:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000508093819.14271.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.101 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 May 2000 02:38:19 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.101] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Andrew's Nemesis Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 02:38:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi List, > After looking and intensively examining Andrew McCargar's nemesis. I > noticed something real funky about it. Amazing that this caused any conversation, so I confess, as many of you have guessed no I haven't ever hit nemesis, it was meant as a joke which I never expected anyone to take so seriously. Now I suppose if I ever do hit it, no one will believe me (the boy who cried nemesis :) For anyone who's interested, to accomplish this feat I filmed a paradon and then reversed it and stitched the two halves together. The arc looks kind of funky because otherwise the bag would go out of frame. The ripwalk was filmed separately (and is authentically funkey looking). I'm still just learning how to do animated gifs, so I assure all, subsequent ones will look more convincing. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 8 14:49:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15746 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:49:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f43.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.43]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13166 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:48:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 99266 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2000 22:48:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000507224800.99265.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.189.152.95 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 May 2000 15:48:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.95] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] is this a move? Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 18:48:00 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just busted a move by accident and I'd like to know if it's named yet. here it is: TOE>SAME IN[DEX]>SAME OSIS[BOD][XBD][DEL] This seems to me as a pixie to same osis and I was just wondering if there was an official name yet. It also seems to me that it would be a 4 ADD move. *=SnakeEyes=* Mike Del Borrello From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 8 20:51:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16577 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 20:51:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31116 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:35:23 -0700 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.84.4f6237f (14379) for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <84.4f6237f.2648a91c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 19:34:52 EDT Subject: [freestyle] What I Can Do And Where Do I Go Now? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone! Lately I am not sure what to do. Should I try going on to bigger and better moves or should I practice the ones I got now so that they are second nature. Here is what I can do so far> Double Over Down (First 2 dex move) Osis Mirage Butterfly Toe>Same in> (back Spin)> op clip (have no idea what it is) ATW Pixie Butterfly Parkwalk Dragonfly Spinning Butterfly Pixie (Both Sides) Fairy (Kinda' Both Sides, not to good on left) I've Gotten So Close to Doing A Yoda- Toe>same in> op in> op out> op clip (just missing the clipper) If some of you are thinking, "Yea, right, a 14 year old that has only been playing since August of 99' is hitting that." I don't know what it is, but it is easy to me. As soon as I sucessfully hit it I'll write one of those "How To" things. _________________________________________________ I'm not very good on my weak side. The only thing I got good on my bad side is in to outs. I've gotten where I can those better than my strong side. The other day I hit a nice run starting from a spinning butterfly. Well, it was nice for me, it lasted about 10 seconds. It had osis, and butterfly's and thats it. So, again, my question is do practice these moves more and more so they are easy to me or do I try some other moves? -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 8 20:52:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16582 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 20:52:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f119.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02749 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:03:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 27896 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2000 01:03:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000509010303.27895.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.161.42.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 May 2000 18:03:03 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.161.42.83] From: "jim penske" To: jammin_it@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] is this a move? Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 01:03:03 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i would just call this move pixie osis but i could be wrong. kick hard! Jim >From: "Mike Del Borrello" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] is this a move? >Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 18:48:00 EDT > >I just busted a move by accident and I'd like to know if it's named yet. > >here it is: TOE>SAME IN[DEX]>SAME OSIS[BOD][XBD][DEL] > >This seems to me as a pixie to same osis and I was just wondering if there >was an official name yet. It also seems to me that it would be a 4 ADD >move. > >*=SnakeEyes=* >Mike Del Borrello From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 8 20:53:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16597 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 20:53:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Tom Kotsakos Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06032 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:28:54 -0700 Received: from Honycherub@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.3b.4982730 (3938) for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3b.4982730.2648d1c7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:28:23 EDT Subject: [freestyle] eggbeaters To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was wondering if anyone can help me with eggbeaters. Today I just started concentrating on getting my leg down really fast after the first dex. I have seen an eggbeater done by setting the bag, planting, then jumping and doing both dexes in the air. I usually try it one leg at a time. I set the bag and jump with my opposite (first dexxing) leg at the same time, land and try to get a legover at the end with the setting leg. I'm really good at legovers, so that's why I think this way is easier for me now. Any input? Tom "Kaycho" Kotsakos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 8 21:38:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16684 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:38:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10101 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:22:11 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx45-17.ix.netcom.com [198.211.44.81]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA11099 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39179471.45B9345E@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:30:41 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] is this a move? References: <20000507224800.99265.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mike Del Borrello wrote: > > I just busted a move by accident and I'd like to know if it's named yet. > > here it is: TOE>SAME IN[DEX]>SAME OSIS[BOD][XBD][DEL] Are you planting after the dexterity? If so, this move is a lot like a stepping osis (except that it is pixie instead of stepping). If you aren't planting, it is a bit more like a blender (though a real blender requires that the set leg does *not* do the first dex). As far as I know, there is no name for either variation... any ideas? Good moves - keep 'em coming. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 8 21:59:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16712 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:59:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23568 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:30:19 -0700 Message-Id: <200005082030.NAA23568@Market.NET> Received: (qmail 2996 invoked from network); 8 May 2000 20:30:17 -0000 Received: from chi-ras-5-209-112-91-196.mc.net (HELO ?209.112.91.196?) (209.112.91.196) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 8 May 2000 20:30:17 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:14:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Top quality footbags From: "Colin Larson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, Well, I decided to give the juice a little wash with soap and cold water, and after I did that twice, It turned into the best bag I have ever seen. The thing is sweet! Too bad today at school I was kickin and it kind of went out the window, I got in a big fight with the teacher who wouldn't let me go get it, and of course, as I knew it would, it was gone after I rushed outside to get it. I now am the proud owner of probably a week's detention and a dean's referral for calling the teacher a cold hearted son of a &*$#@, then telling him to give me $15 and a lighter so I could burn his money just like he was burning my investment. Oh well, I suppose I can get the facile one now... if I ever get out of detention... plus the fact that I stole a faculty walkie talkie and played Rage Against The Machine over their channels for a half hour, and they found out it was me. Tomorrow should be a fun day. "hoping he doesn't get raped" -Colin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 9 09:50:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21316 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:50:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f261.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.139]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA00911 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:06:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 18932 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2000 14:06:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20000509140626.18930.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.122.253.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 May 2000 07:06:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.122.253.144] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: MasteCid@aol.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] What I Can Do And Where Do I Go Now? Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 10:06:25 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >nature. Here is what I can do so far i see nothing wrong with trying slightly difficult moves, but your first priority (in my opinion) is skooling all of these day and night. > Double Over Down (First 2 dex move) (that's an interesting choice for a first 2dex move) :) > I'm not very good on my weak side. Well there's your answer. SKOOL your weak side like there's no tomorrow! You're moving at a very good pace. but don't rush it. some people go guiltless before they can link twenty or thirty 2adds.. i personally don't think that's the way to go. skool every two and three on both sides, in both directions, set from anywhere. do 50-contact strings consisting of mirages (both sides both directions, set from toe *and* clipper), pixies, pickups, atw, butterflies, pdx-mirages. put in spinning clipper, spinning butterfly, osis and spinning osis. this is not to say that you shouldn't try harder moves, but if you build your foundation solid, the hard moves will come easier later (presumably, i'm more of a beginner than you are) i think this stage of 2's and 3's and some 4's is a perfect one for working on your style. learn all the tricks so that they are *easy*. put in ducks and dives, unusual stalls, fliers, and whatever else you can think of. do a dragonflier into a ducking butterfly in the middle of your run, for example. but all of that is just my humble opinion. later, Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 9 20:55:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23368 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:55:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f95.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.95]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA18196 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:20:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 37543 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2000 21:20:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000509212016.37542.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.112.30.64 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 May 2000 14:20:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.112.30.64] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] double dexes Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 17:20:16 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm having trouble with my double dexes. I just can't seem to fit both of them in there. some people are saying that it's all timing, and some people say that it's all out speed, and I am just confused because I've tried both and it's not happening. I understand that practice is everything, but I have been trying the smear and double-over-down (and paradon) for about 3 weeks, and I cant get even that close. I'm kinda looking for some major tips on this so if you have any, let me have it. Thanks p.s. Colin, nice moves with the Rage thing. (:SnakeEyes): Mike Del Borrello From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 9 21:54:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23760 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:54:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29173 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:41:16 -0700 Received: from r7a002396aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.183.94] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12pLm2-00033V-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:58:54 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01bfba22$8a01ee60$5eb77ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Reply-To: "Tyler Guindon" From: "Tyler Guindon" To: Subject: [freestyle] footbag illegal? Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:53:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Colin and fellow kickers... I can relate to ya man... im sure anyone who has tried to kick in school has been yelled at and disciplined... i myself have received numerous detentions just for having my bag, have had my hack taken away in virtually every class, and have been banned from ever bringing it to gym again (bad accident with a failed drifter... got a little out of control on my dex and kicked someone in the nuts... i think he was in the nurse for the rest of the day)... i heard someone in my school has tried to introduce footbag as a gym activity a few years back but it didn't fly.. i was just curious if footbag is illegal in any other schools and does anyone have footbag as an activity? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 9 23:43:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24387 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:43:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f148.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA30042 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:21:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 68128 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2000 05:21:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000510052127.68127.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 May 2000 22:21:27 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: tguindon@rcn.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag illegal? Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:21:27 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freestylers, This message is directed to the high school students on the list. While it may often seem like the teachers in charge of your school hate footbag, the truth is they are just unfamiliar with the sport. Footbag should not be illegal at any high school. You have to learn to work within the framework of the system. Find out how to start a school-sanctioned club at your school, and obtain legitimacy through this. It is also a good idea to know when and where to kick. Part of the appeal of this sport is that you can do it almost anywhere. Still, respect your teachers by not doing it inside a classroom. If a teacher is unreasonable to you, stay calm, and lodge a formal complaint with the principal. Ask to give a demonstration to your gym class, or to gym classes for younger years and present the sport as fun, non-competitive, non-violent, and very low risk. Once the administration realizes that it is very hard for people to do property damage or get hurt by doing this activity, then they will stop regulating you. If you scream at the administration and act like a punk, that will just make them feel more justified in banning footbag. To re-cap: 1. Educate the administration regarding your sport. Once they know it is a legit sport that has low insurance risks for them, they should be more receptive to you. 2. Start a club at your school. It's easy, and it covers your ass. Essentially the problem is the administration of many schools don't understand footbag, and see it as a potential broken window or twisted ankle. Once they understand you are mature and responsible, and that the sport is very low risk and promotes such qualities as cooperation, exercise, and dedication, they should be in no position to limit your footbag play. I hope this helps some, Ken CF Somolinos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 9 23:45:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24398 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:45:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2006.mail.yahoo.com (web2006.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.206]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA30632 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:42:40 -0700 Received: (qmail 10837 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2000 05:42:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000510054245.10836.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.207.3.149] by web2006.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 May 2000 22:42:45 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:42:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] new move and new concept/set To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well, folks, I have managed to teleport another new concept from the void of Intergalactic space. It's probably my favorite and most difficult yet, surpassing the Nuclear and Blazing sets. A few months ago I was watching some video in reverse and thought pdox and blurry whirls looked extra rad. I forgot about it until Monday night. To backtrack a little, I received my Laver Milleniums in the mail Monday, modified and skooled in them. Geez, my game has changed- faster, unrestricted blades (feet), and most importantly no day-after soreness!!! I'll be skoolin all the time. So back to the trick: I kicked solo 2 hours in the day, then at 11 pm I went out for a second time just to work some easy stuff. Then I thought about the reverse whirling thing and decided to go for it. I hit 'double reverse whirl'- it needs no special name, I think it sounds cool- very technical without being too long. So after hitting that, I worked on a set from the reverse whirl: it's very hard to whip around with enough time to do anything x-body, so all I was able to hit was 'reverse whirling whirl', with a plant inbetween the dexes. But I'll give it some time to get that set higher. So the name for this set? I think I'll go with 'Scattered' for reverse whirling same-side moves, and 'Shattered' for reverse whirling opp-side/pdox moves. Alrighty, just thought I'd let you know. Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 9 23:45:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24409 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:45:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f202.hotmail.com [216.32.181.202]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA31244 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:13:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 82835 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2000 06:12:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000510061241.82834.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 154.5.103.184 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 May 2000 23:12:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [154.5.103.184] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag illegal? Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:12:41 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list, Tyler asked... >i was just curious if footbag is illegal in any other schools and >does >anyone have footbag as an activity? Well, it's illegal in the subway system here in Montreal, damn rent-a-cops won't let you shred there or else you get a ticket. About footbag being an activity, you can shred outside on school grounds can't you? Also, ever thought of starting a club at your school? Lates, The Mouse P.S. While I'm here I'd like to say that I simply posted about Andrew's nemesis prank as a way of telling the "newbies" and whatnot on the list that the craziest move in the world of freestyle had NOT been hit as to not spread false information that's it, that's all. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 9 23:54:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24424 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:54:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24421 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:54:26 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32026 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:48:30 -0700 Received: from kaos (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21814 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.16.24.8] by kaos (8.8.8+Sun/Spike-2.0) id XAA13567; Tue, 9 May 2000 23:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000510054245.10836.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000510054245.10836.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:48:06 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] new move and new concept/set Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:42 PM -0700 5/9/00, Eli Piltz wrote: >all I was able to hit was 'reverse whirling >whirl', with a plant inbetween the dexes. I'm not sure I can visualize this yet, but isn't it basically a tapping whirl? Reverse whirl is really similar to butterfly if you catch it on a clipper delay. But if not, it's like a tap (where you do an out-in dex on the side of your body, touching your dex toe to the ground on the opposite side of the bag, in front. So isn't that what you're doing, except maybe with the dex a little further down relative to your leg? Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 10 00:02:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24474 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 00:02:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2002.mail.yahoo.com (web2002.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.202]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA29777 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:07:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 21933 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2000 05:07:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000510050704.21932.qmail@web2002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.207.3.218] by web2002.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 May 2000 22:07:04 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:07:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] What I Can Do And Where Do I Go Now? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org To Evan and all, Every time someone writes in asking what to work next, people shell out priceless words of advice to skool your weakside all the time- or whenever you are breathing- listing two dozen moves you must work, and how you shouldn't go guiltless until you can "do 50-contact strings consisting of mirages (both sides both directions, set from toe *and* clipper), pixies, pickups, atw..." (I'm sure I've rattled a few paragraphs myself). Come on folks, lighten up. Do I need to remind you this game is meant to be fun, not a militant regimen to break your spirit. Giving such poignant instructions is like the classic growing-up advice from our parents, who simply want us to do everything like they wish they had done in their youth- Sound familiar? I remember skooling way back in the day with Kyle Crawford, Ariel Santesteban, and a couple guys who were much better than us (Ross Newton and Dan Sharber). The better guys definitely helped us improve, but they didn't give us a hard list of skool supplies or tell us we couldn't go guiltless until we were good and ready. They did, however, give us 'Raw Shred' and the understanding of Job's notation. You just have to figure some things out for yourself. Looking back, I went guiltless way too early, but after my first World's in '97, I realized. Sure I could do some big moves, like pdox blender (my first five) and diving whirl, but I realized I wasn't as good as I thought I was (btw, I'm glad I wasn't on the list back then to make a fool of myself by "dominating" the listserve, pun intended). So when we returned from Portland to Austin I started over, so to speak. I worked on doing long strings of threes until I felt comfortable with them, then started spicing it up with the occasional four, meanwhile working weak twos. Honestly I never went tiltless, and I don't regret it. Now I'm pretty happy with my game, and my weakside is less apparent. It all works out. If I was to change anything, I would have relaxed more, in more ways than one. Good luck, Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 10 16:53:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27568 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:53:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f230.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.230]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA24486 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:03:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 82313 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2000 19:02:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000510190254.82312.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.122.253.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:02:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.122.253.144] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] What I Can Do And Where Do I Go Now? Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:02:54 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am not saying not to have fun... hey, i had a blast hacky-sacking and playing "kill" in high school! i am saying not to be surprised if you are trying and can't hit symposium down double down, meanwhile not being able to link a bunch of basic moves. i thought the question was "how do i get better?" and (in my opinion) to get better at something you have to practice the fundamentals. Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 10 16:58:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27587 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:58:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Tom Kotsakos Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29669 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:01:50 -0700 Received: from Honycherub@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.e6.52c385f (4217) for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 01:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 01:01:17 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag illegal? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Back at my high school they would execute you for being in the halls after the bell rang. It was pretty regular to kick in gym though. Some times we would sneak off the track and kick in a secret spot on the other side of the track. I just want to caution people though. Do not cut your classes to go outside and kick. Not being able to go down to the beach or park and play in the summer because you're in summer school isn't too much fun. Anyway, Down with the man! And the teachers ; ) Tom "Kaycho" Kotsakos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 10 16:59:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27598 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:59:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f290.hotmail.com [209.185.130.229]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA03601 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 02:36:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 6200 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2000 09:36:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000510093609.6199.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 62.54.216.229 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2000 02:36:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [62.54.216.229] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag illegal? Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:36:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >i was just curious if footbag is illegal in any other schools and does >anyone have footbag as an activity? its no problem here in Germany i think, we can kick as much as we want to. i even kicked a lot in our physics rooms during the 5 minute breaks, my teacher was very interested......he liked pendulum =) anyway, were (joern and me, both students) also running a footbag "acivity "(correct word ?) at our school. we got enough gym place for 2 hours on every monday. it off course does not replace the "normal" sports class, its just shredding in school gyms really. have fun fabian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 10 17:00:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27703 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 17:00:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f259.hotmail.com [216.32.180.217]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA05816 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 04:14:32 -0700 Received: (qmail 6021 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2000 11:14:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000510111404.6020.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.207.224 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2000 04:14:03 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.207.224] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag illegal? Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:14:03 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, Just wanted to talk about footbag in my school. First of all, like most other schools, we aren't allowed to play it inside, except for one place. When the weather is crappy outside, we are allowed to go onto the stage and hack all we want, so that is good, cept sometimes we have to share the stage with the breakdancers!! As for outside, you can play all you want, wherever you want, and school is probably where i play the most!! Cole http://www.footbag.cjb.net >From: "Tyler Guindon" >Reply-To: "Tyler Guindon" >To: >Subject: [freestyle] footbag illegal? >Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:53:28 -0400 >Hey Colin and fellow kickers... > > I can relate to ya man... im sure anyone who has tried to kick in >school has been yelled at and disciplined... i myself have received >numerous detentions just for having my bag, have had my hack taken away >in virtually every class, and have been banned from ever bringing it to >gym again (bad accident with a failed drifter... got a little out of >control on my dex and kicked someone in the nuts... i think he was in >the nurse for the rest of the day)... i heard someone in my school has >tried to introduce footbag as a gym activity a few years back but it >didn't fly.. i was just curious if footbag is illegal in any other >schools and does anyone have footbag as an activity? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 10 17:00:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27768 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 17:00:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web702.mail.yahoo.com (web702.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA15962 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:37:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 2339 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2000 15:37:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000510153703.2338.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.79.184.88] by web702.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:37:03 PDT Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:37:03 -0700 (PDT) From: chris wollick Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag illegal? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org dude, i play during class at my school. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 10 17:01:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27781 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 17:01:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29126 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 13:58:32 -0700 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.c1.30b9848 (3955) for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:58:01 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag illegal? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Everyone... At my school (Jr. High) they let us hack as long as it is outside and during "break" or somthing like that. Yup, they just told us not to hack inside (but I have a few times for demostrations to my teachers.) And now footbag is like a new fad now.I couldn't let me bag touch the ground or else someone would get it and try to hack. it on some days. So my suggestion is take it outside where there is not alot of people, and even though I don't have to I would not let the teachers see it if possible. -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 11 00:05:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28740 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 00:05:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f187.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.187]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08358 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 18:56:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 79947 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2000 01:56:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000511015614.79946.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 168.191.224.74 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2000 18:56:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [168.191.224.74] From: "Amber Wolles" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag illegal? Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:56:14 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone, At my high school there is a group of about 4-6 of us who kick. We aren't banned from playing, but we're not really allowed to play in the halls. Sometimes we do anyways though. We have an unofficial footbag club that meets in the gym at lunch. Weather permitting we play outside. There we are free to do whatever we want. Teachers like it when we do demos before class. I guess my school isn't very strict. But, it would be a good idea for those who do go to stricter schools to start a club. It really helps you get respect in your school. I hope all goes well for you all. Keep Kickin' Amber From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 11 09:12:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30250 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 09:12:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2002.mail.yahoo.com (web2002.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.202]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA30729 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 07:31:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 3561 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2000 14:31:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000511143122.3560.qmail@web2002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.207.3.140] by web2002.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 May 2000 07:31:22 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:31:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] new move and new concept/set To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org *Eli Piltz wrote: >> all I was able to hit was 'reverse whirling >> whirl', with a plant inbetween the dexes. *Steve Goldberg wrote: > I'm not sure I can visualize this yet, but > isn't it basically a tapping whirl?... But if > not, it's like a tap... So isn't that what > you're doing, except maybe with the dex a little > further down relative to your leg? Um, no, and no. Maybe the confusion is coming from me not specifying where the move is set from- clipper. Better now? Sure, butterfly and reverse whirl are typically very similar, but not in this case. Job's: clipper>op out-in (plant)>same in-out>op clipper (4 adds). Thanks, steve, you gave me an idea for a combo: tapping whirl to scattered whirl. Am I being clear now? Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 11 09:22:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30279 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 09:22:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30276 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 09:22:51 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02058 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 09:16:51 -0700 Received: from kaos (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04248 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 09:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.16.24.8] by kaos (8.8.8+Sun/Spike-2.0) id JAA20539; Thu, 11 May 2000 09:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000511143122.3560.qmail@web2002.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000511143122.3560.qmail@web2002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:16:29 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] new move and new concept/set Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 7:31 AM -0700 5/11/00, Eli Piltz wrote: >Um, no, and no. Maybe the confusion is coming >from me not specifying where the move is set >from- clipper. Better now? Um, no. :-) I didn't specify that I meant "tap from clipper". Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 11 13:27:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30993 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:27:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f37.hotmail.com [216.32.181.37]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08254 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:25:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 78286 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2000 19:24:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20000511192453.78285.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.211.132.24 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:24:53 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.211.132.24] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] new move and new concept/set Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:24:53 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > >I didn't specify that I meant "tap from clipper". > > Steve As i see it, a stepping butterfly could be a tapping butterfly?? Danny From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 11 22:19:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32368 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:19:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30307 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 20:52:32 -0700 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.66.3896d79 (4263) for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <66.3896d79.264cd9dc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:51:56 EDT Subject: [freestyle] "Extreme Freestyle" To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Everybody I've been wondering what it is called where you do tricks off walks or off steps, etc. If it don't have a name "Extreme Freestyle" would be best I think. So far I've just been trying to butterfly off 3 or 4 steps which is not very big but does make it challenging. Also at competitions does anyone ever do this? If so do you get a extra add for doing it? Like a flying butterfly kick off the wall would be 4 adds. -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 11 22:20:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32382 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:20:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f79.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.79]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA30566 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 21:02:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 67219 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2000 04:01:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000512040139.67218.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.240.159.176 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2000 21:01:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.240.159.176] From: "Chris Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] footbag club and ripwalk? Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 04:01:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I had my first footbag club session today and it went pretty good. About 8 people came to it so that was way above my exceptions. Everyone was mostly slit up into groups. Like you had a good group, a medium group and a not so good group and I'm sure that all clubs have this. Anyway I was wondering what other clubs do in there sessions. Like if you just use one footbag for the group to share or does everyone have their own? Well I could go on about what you might do or don't do but just tell me or something... Oh and I am haveing trouble with my ripwalk. See I don't put my plant leg down after I set it up from my clipper... so my question is that if I don't put my plant leg down again is it a real ripwalk or is it just a rip with no walk? :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 11 23:53:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32709 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:53:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32662 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:36:51 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:35:00 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFBB99.41068540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:35:48 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFBB99.41068540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] new move and new concept/set Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:35:46 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Eli, Steve and all... Steve said... >I didn't specify that I meant "tap from clipper". If I may... there is no such thing as a tap from "op" X-body. x-body>same tap is paradox tap which is "nuclear"... I believe. Much of freestyle is really relative to which side not which leg. Taps can happen op or same per "jobs" but they are always set from the op "side". Otherwise it's a fairy. Sweetness! on the new stuff Eli-san... can't wait to see mo 'O' dat stuff. Also, lookin forward to mo of that double over flyer stuff I saw at the USF Shred! Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 11 23:53:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32720 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:53:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f241.hotmail.com [209.185.130.206]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01484 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:32:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 17560 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2000 06:32:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000512063229.17559.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.34.139.71 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:32:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [203.34.139.71] From: "Lynton Stephens" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] mid-exam freestyle daydreamings Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:32:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Stylers- Having had exams recently I have almost done zilch freestyle, unless you count the occasional bit of "shadow styling". But, that doesn't stop me daydreaming about huge like-to-see-that freestyle moves when I should be studying saponification and synaptic reuptake mechanisms! What about the following variations on atomic whirls? Anyone seen? *Atomic inspinning whirl (R toe to L clipper) *Shooting whirl *Shooting same-whirl *Nuclear inspinning whirl *Atomic ducking whirl *Nuclear symposium whirl One move I think would be too cool is: Nuclear inspinning torque - !!! Tuan has his "tornado" (nuclear inspinning mirage) and the ultra-phat shooting toque so he might be the one to rip this monstrosity. Speaking of monstrosity, - Shooting Star!! *that* is big ... well done Red. Shred it up, Lynton From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 12 08:24:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01786 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:24:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12979 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 06:03:31 -0700 Received: from [24.141.155.206] ([24.141.155.206]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.10.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e4CD4Yv13911 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:04:34 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:02:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag club and ripwalk? From: Neil Bearse To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000512040139.67218.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Oh and I am haveing trouble with my ripwalk. See I don't put my plant leg > down after I set it up from my clipper... so my question is that if I don't > put my plant leg down again is it a real ripwalk or is it just a rip with no > walk? :) Its not a ripwalk, its a da da curve. if its clean... Neil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 12 08:25:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01797 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:25:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA10229 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 04:59:18 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 12 May 2000 07:59:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'Evan Edmondson'" Cc: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] "Extreme Freestyle" Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:59:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: Evan Edmondson "I've been wondering what it is called where you do tricks off walks or off steps, etc... Also at competitions does anyone ever do this? If so do you get a extra add for doing it? Like a flying butterfly kick off the wall would be 4 adds." ********** ********** I don't who remembers this, but there was a guy at last summer's Funtastik Summer Classic that came complete with a boardwalk that he had built-- it had steps and different levels etc. He also had mini-fences set up made out of cones with rope strung between them. I think he actually competed novice, and it was pretty entertaining (and dangerous I'm guessing) to watch him perform legovers and spins, all the while moving throughout his "obstacle course"-- up the steps>jump off spin>jump over the fence while doing a legover (how's that for jobs?!). Not my thing, but I couldn't help but be interested. On the adds thing, I'm not sure. But I'm pretty sure that would help your presentation score (or originality, or whatever you want to call it). On the other hand, doing the obstacle course thing caused a lot of drops, so that hurt him too. Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 12 23:38:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04118 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:38:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ux4.isu.edu (mta@ux4.isu.edu [134.50.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00747 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:40:50 -0700 Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.103.12]) by ux4.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA2918 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:43:09 -0600 Message-ID: <391C8992.1107E748@isu.edu> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:45:38 -0600 From: Bob Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag club and ripwalk? References: <20000512040139.67218.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Chris and freestylers, Chris Mayer wrote: > I had my first footbag club session today and it went pretty good. About 8 > people came to it so that was way above my exceptions. Everyone was mostly > slit up into groups. Like you had a good group, a medium group and a not so > good group and I'm sure that all clubs have this. Anyway I was wondering > what other clubs do in there sessions. Like if you just use one footbag for > the group to share or does everyone have their own? Well I could go on > about what you might do or don't do but just tell me or something... I say: To answer your question, I don't think it really matters how the groups are split or whos footbags and how many footbags are being used as long as everyone is HAVING FUN. I do, however, have a comment about clubs for the list. When I was writing the costitution for the ISU Footbag Club, I was encouraged by the student senate to have membership fees. So, the way I ended up doing things was to have voting members and non-voting members. The voting members pay a $15 fee, but in exchange get a 4-panel Paul Mestas bag, an IFC Rulebook, a WFA Membership, and voting privledges in the club. Non-voting members simply have to kick with the club at least twice in a semester to retain their membership. I know most people running clubs want to keep things cheap and easy, but I think things have worked out well doing it this way. People have been happy to pay $15 for a decent footbag because we really do not have any good footbags available in the stores in Pocatello, ID. But in addition, they are more or less forced to get a rulebook. This gives them a broader understanding of the sport and exposes them to all the diciplines, which I more or less can't because I am mostly into freestyle (I don't own the proper equipment for net or golf either). What do others think of this? Good idea? Bad idea?....should I dump the rulebook and WFA Membership for cheaper club membership fees? The rulebook, afterall, is on Footbag Worldwide (Thanks Steve). Thanks, Bob From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 12 23:41:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04131 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:41:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f6.hotmail.com [216.32.181.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09365 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:55:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 69994 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2000 02:55:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20000513025511.69993.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 154.5.7.95 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:55:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [154.5.7.95] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Iffy on the pdx Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:55:11 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I hope this is not a dumb question but I have a quick question on the pdx add. While practicing my weak side paradox mirage last week I noticed that instead of snaking my leg to do the in-out dex, I plant my foot immediately after setting the bag and then complete the mirage. The question is, If I plant my leg, is it still paradox or not? Thanks, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 12 23:41:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04136 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:41:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f225.hotmail.com [216.32.181.225]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09532 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:59:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 51406 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 2000 02:59:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000513025929.51405.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 154.5.7.95 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:59:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [154.5.7.95] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Who's attending Worlds? Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:59:29 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey again all, I'm just wondering who is planning on going to Worlds this year and where people will be staying at? Seems kinda early to ask this but I'd just like to know where I should stay (reservations) while getting the most shred-action possible. Lates, The Mouse P.S. Anyone on this list live in Vancouver? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat May 13 10:25:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05361 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:25:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17778 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:12:48 -0700 Received: from kaos (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00659; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.16.24.8] by kaos (8.8.8+Sun/Spike-2.0) id BAA28517; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000513025929.51405.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000513025929.51405.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:12:57 -0700 To: "Mickey Mayer" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who's attending Worlds? Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:59 PM -0400 5/12/00, Mickey Mayer wrote: >I'm just wondering who is planning on going to Worlds this year and >where people will be staying at? Everyone is going, and the host hotel is on the website as per the announcement earlier. http://www.footbag.org/worlds2000 >P.S. Anyone on this list live in Vancouver? Of course. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat May 13 15:46:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06705 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 May 2000 15:46:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08237 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 14:56:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 8526 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2000 21:56:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000513215643.8525.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.34] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 13 May 2000 14:56:43 PDT Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:56:43 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] new moves? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup everyone, I was just wondering if anyone has hit these moves. They dont seem very hard. 1)swirling whirl 2)swirling blender 3)spinnging reverse swirl. I was attempting this one and I think i could hit it but my hip is killing me. If I end up being the first to hit it, (someone probably already has) I think it should be called swirlwind. Sound cool??? Later Shredders, Jamez http://www.geocities.com/cloudriz/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat May 13 15:48:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06716 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 May 2000 15:48:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2003.mail.yahoo.com (web2003.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08912 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 15:26:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 24997 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2000 22:26:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000513222622.24996.qmail@web2003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.207.3.101] by web2003.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 13 May 2000 15:26:22 PDT Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:26:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who's attending Worlds? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mickey Mayer wrote: > just wondering who is planning on going to > Worlds this year and where people will be > staying at? As always, Steve Goldberg is right. Everyone is going to Vancouver. Mickey, it sounds like you are new to the World's thing, like many of you on the list. Here's what to expect: First, it will be the most fun you've ever had, especially if you go for the whole week. You will make dozens of new friends from all over the world. They will help you improve your game like never before, especially because you will most likely kick every day. The Host Hotel is the place to stay- this is where huge, unexpected freestyle jams occur on many days. It's where cool parties happen in the rooms of notorious, footbag teams; watch out, you might stumble onto some SHRIMP! :-) Vancouver is an awsome city (from what I hear) with nightlife, culture, and nude beaches! The Canadian drinking age is 18, but I'm not encouraging anything. Back to the game, you will meet a lot of people on this list, and many of the best shredders in the world. Don't worry about sore legs from daily shredding- after 1 or 2 days of soreness you simply kick through it, and that's when you really start busting. You will leave more psyched on footbag than ever! And most importantly, you can make friends for life. http://www.footbag.org/worlds2000 Be there! Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat May 13 23:19:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08957 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:19:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14391 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:47:10 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-33 #39336) with SMTP id <0FUJ005010YNHA@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:47:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 19:47:11 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] New move? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Finally after 4 weeks off of shin splint healing I kicked. The timing was off and the strings were a little weak, but the feeling was heavenly. So I hit this really sweet move and I've never seen it before, but Jon Nagela I wouldn't be surprised if you've hit it. Fairie Whirl: toe> same out> op in> op clip I call it "Feral". Anyone else hit this? Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat May 13 23:18:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08952 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:18:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14046 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 18:35:18 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-33 #39336) with SMTP id <0FUJ000010ET14@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:35:17 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 19:35:17 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Moves and Add Question In-reply-to: <391647FA.C67C15DF@dallasfootbag.org> To: Derric Scalf Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 7 May 2000, Derric Scalf wrote: > > 1. CLIP>OP IN [DEX]>SAME IN [DEX]>(back) SPIN [BOD]>OP CLIP [DEL] [XBD] > > 5 adds by my count (basically a clipper set atw into a torque) > > Yep. If you don't plant the foot between your first and second dexes, > it is called a barroque (or a barraging osis). If you do plant the leg > between the first and second dexes, it is called a stepping torque. > I've seen both, but barroque is definitely more common. The stepping torque has a really cool name: GRAVE DIGGER Later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat May 13 23:20:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08990 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:20:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21810 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:40:41 -0700 Received: from [24.141.155.206] ([24.141.155.206]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.10.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e4E5fav22042 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:41:37 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 01:39:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who's attending Worlds? From: Neil Bearse To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000513222622.24996.qmail@web2003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org on 5/13/00 6:26 PM, Eli Piltz at ezshredz@yahoo.com wrote: > The Canadian drinking age is 18, > but I'm not encouraging anything. Sorry to disappoint, but the drinking age in Canada is 19 everywhere eXCEPT Quebec.. its 18 there. but i guess 19 is better than 21, EH? :) Neil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 14 22:20:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13362 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 14 May 2000 22:20:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f174.hotmail.com [216.32.181.174]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09413 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 09:57:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 91494 invoked by uid 0); 14 May 2000 16:56:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000514165630.91493.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 154.5.100.209 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 May 2000 09:56:30 PDT X-Originating-IP: [154.5.100.209] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 12:56:30 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Brad and all, >Fairie Whirl: toe> same out> op in> op clip > I call it "Feral". > Anyone else hit this? I'm almost certain that Yacine Merzouk has hit this move though I'm not sure. Yacine, care to jump in? By the way, Brad, Fairy Whirl is listed in the freestyle move list but "Feral" sounds kinda cool. Props to you for hitting it, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 14 22:21:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13373 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 14 May 2000 22:21:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Will Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21745 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 15:59:31 -0700 Received: by EXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 14 May 2000 18:59:34 -0400 Message-ID: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C19201311@EXCH01> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:59:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All, Today I played a nice hour and a half and hit Pixie Butterfly > Osis. My Clippers Stalls and Butterflies are great now, both sides. Need to practice fairy and mirage though. One thing that helped my game is a modification I did to my millennium Lavers, adding a little wall for inside stalls. Not much, just a cm of freesole where the shoe dips in. Got the idea from someone on the list and also from another pair of shoes I played with. Hit on. Will Wells From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 15 16:16:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17232 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:16:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA13275 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 06:01:33 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf088.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.129.8]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09351 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000515074759.00b63900@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:57:45 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers In-Reply-To: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C19201311@EXCH01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 06:59 PM 5/14/00 -0400, Will Wells wrote: > One thing that helped my game is a modification I did to my millennium >Lavers, adding a little wall for inside stalls. Not much, just a cm of >freesole where the shoe dips in. This begs the question, how much modification is acceptable? Removing material from shoes has been the norm for years, but adding on "wings" to the sole is unprecedented to my knowledge. Would BAP members do it? Would it be acceptable for competition play? -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 15 16:40:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17359 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:40:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz ([202.180.64.194]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04888 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:21:59 -0700 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:21:52 +1200 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F378237FDC61@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'Ernest Crvich'" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:21:50 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > This begs the question, how much modification is acceptable? My Lavers have rims the size of Texas. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 15 17:07:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17670 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:07:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06306 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:54:35 -0700 Received: from storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.35]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB732C30E; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id QAA02608; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:54:41 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAgQNwO3KR/2Vly/Vgdq1H1YhaW6UCFBr3BtSnxxX/tkFp1ujudjkVQ2oR From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:54:41 -0400 (EDT) To: ecrvich@mindspring.com (Ernest Crvich) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Message-ID: <25229-39208E41-1250@storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Ernest Crvich 's message of Mon, 15 May 2000 08:57:45 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all! Ernest says; >adding on "wings" to the sole is >unprecedented to my knowledge. Would >BAP members do it? Would it be >acceptable for competition play? I say; yes, and yes. GF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 15 17:30:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17758 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:30:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06764 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:05:28 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-33 #39336) with SMTP id <0FUM00201LL97C@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:05:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:05:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers In-reply-to: <4.3.1.20000515074759.00b63900@pop.mindspring.com> To: Ernest Crvich Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 15 May 2000, Ernest Crvich wrote: > This begs the question, how much modification is acceptable? Removing > material from shoes has been the norm for years, but adding on "wings" to > the sole is unprecedented to my knowledge. Would BAP members do it? Would > it be acceptable for competition play? I would think it's acceptable though not preferable. The reasoning would be that of Teva's. They have a huge cup for inside stalls. When you get the millenium lavers they have a deeply cut instep, so show goo is great to fill it in, but it shouldn't go so much as to make a cup. Again, I wouldn't do it but it's acceptable to me under the Teva clause. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 15 17:33:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17770 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:33:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f138.hotmail.com [216.32.181.138]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA06943 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:08:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 41567 invoked by uid 0); 16 May 2000 00:08:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000516000833.41566.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.93.16.217 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:08:32 PDT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.16.217] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Kickers in the Midwest Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:08:32 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The juggling, footbag, and Ultimate frisbee clubs in Lincoln, NE are considering putting on an alternative sports festival/tournament or whatever the hell you want to call it. I would appreciate it if any kickers, serious or not, who live in the Midwest would email me and give me some info. Just let me know who you are, where your from, etc. This event will not be held until next year if it is held at all because I will be out of the country, and I will ultimately be the one doing the most work. Thanks. Brian Mckenzie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 15 17:34:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17775 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:34:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f123.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.123]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA07147 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:13:06 -0700 Received: (qmail 62290 invoked by uid 0); 16 May 2000 00:12:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000516001243.62289.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.112.30.178 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:12:43 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.112.30.178] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] beads VS dirt Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:12:43 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was just wondering why everyone doesn't use footbags with dirt fill rather than bead fill. It is obviously easier to stall with a sand filled footbag, so I am wondering if competitors find it "cheap" to use sand filled hacks, or if it's just a matter of preference. And if it's a matter of preference, let me know why you like beads rather than sand. :(SNAKEeYES): Mike Del Borrello From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 15 17:54:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17842 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:54:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17839 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:54:34 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08727 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:48:16 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09633 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000516001243.62289.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000516001243.62289.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:47:58 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] beads VS dirt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 8:12 PM -0400 5/15/00, Mike Del Borrello wrote: >I was just wondering why everyone doesn't use footbags with dirt >fill rather than bead fill. It is obviously easier to stall with a >sand filled footbag, so I am wondering if competitors find it >"cheap" to use sand filled hacks, or if it's just a matter of >preference. And if it's a matter of preference, let me know why you >like beads rather than sand. Sand leaks out pretty regularly, meaning you have to spend a lot of time refilling your bad. And a sand-filled bag does not kick very well because it doesn't hold its shape (so it's not round). The benefit of a multi-panel soft-material bag filled with beads is that it's generally the perfect compromise between stallability and kickability. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 15 18:42:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17997 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:42:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10895 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:35:03 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf6qn.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.155.87]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29384 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000515212418.00b554f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:32:21 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] beads VS dirt In-Reply-To: References: <20000516001243.62289.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000516001243.62289.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 05:47 PM 5/15/00 -0700, Steve Goldberg wrote: >Sand leaks out pretty regularly, meaning you have to spend a lot of time >refilling So when are the people who make them going to figure out how to use a sand-filled *insert* (rather than just pouring the sand in loose)? As a very crude example, put sand in a condom, heat-seal the end and put *that* in the bag. Might make it tougher to manufacture, but sheesh...problem solved, folks. -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 15 19:34:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18129 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:34:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12356 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:18:09 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf6qn.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.155.87]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26007 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000515213307.00b60100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:15:25 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.20000515074759.00b63900@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 06:05 PM 5/15/00 -0600, Brad Kaplan wrote: > I would think it's acceptable though not preferable. The reasoning >would be that of Teva's. They have a huge cup for inside stalls. No offense, Brad, honestly, but that's not a valid reason IMHO. The Teva is *naturally* a good shoe for freestyle, without any mods...they get their "edge" without adding new material to them, so using them as a way of justifying making goo-wings on the Millennium is an unsound argument (again, IMHO). I guess I see a larger difference between modifying our shoes by cutting/removing material and adding new material than others do. >you get the millenium lavers they have a deeply cut instep, so ...so it would NOT typically be considered a good freestyle shoe. If we're going to start adding new apparatus to our shoes ("shoe adds"?), rather than just slice some material away and lace them oddly, then the Laver is no longer special. With enough glue and other materials, just about ANY lightweight sport shoe will work. I would personally think those that write the rules for competition would be at least as interested in this topic as I am, considering I don't (and won't) even compete...from the point of view of keeping everyone on some sort of comparable playing field. Is there to be no regulation for shoes in our sport? Do you see what I'm getting at? Mind you, I'm not saying I'm pro or con on this "shoe adds" thing...and as a non-competitor, my opinion matters little. I'm just proposing this little facet of our sport might need some more thought and discussion. But judging from the responses so far, it doesn't look like that's going to be the case. And that's cool with me...it's just an interesting topic. I'll go back under my rock now...sorry for the interruption. -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 15 20:17:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18296 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:17:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web705.mail.yahoo.com (web705.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.25]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA13453 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:51:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 11265 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2000 02:51:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000516025129.11264.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.236.189.200] by web705.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:51:29 PDT Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:51:29 -0700 (PDT) From: chris wollick Subject: Re: [freestyle] beads VS dirt To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i like the beads better because they seem to be lighter and they dry faster when you wash them. also the sand leaking thing sucks. i actually mixed beads and dirt for a while, but it wasn't anything special. -chris From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 15 20:18:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18319 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:18:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14158 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:04:59 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx61-83.ix.netcom.com [207.221.95.83]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20784 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3920BC3B.BE48267E@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:10:51 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] beads VS dirt References: <20000516001243.62289.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000516001243.62289.qmail@hotmail.com> <4.3.1.20000515212418.00b554f0@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org All this talk about sand leaking out of bags... Well, the sand only leaks from hand-sewn dirt-filled bags. Get a bag from Mr. Sandman (Paul Mestas). The WFA has a couple of good machine-sewn sand-filled bags. Personally, I like a 4 panel $6 Mr. Sandman bag over just about anything. I've had the Dirty Juice where you have to refill the sand after each session. That is just a pain to have to deal with. Get a good sand bag and you won't have that problem. Back to the original topic of sand vs. beads... The best bags I have ever used are nicely broken in Carol bags (beads). The only problem with these is that you have to break them in. So, if you are patient, you will like a Carol bag (or some other 32 panel facile bag). If you want cheap, quick, stallability, get a sand bag. ...just my opinions. -Derric Ernest Crvich wrote: > > At 05:47 PM 5/15/00 -0700, Steve Goldberg wrote: > >Sand leaks out pretty regularly, meaning you have to spend a lot of time > >refilling > > So when are the people who make them going to figure out how to use a > sand-filled *insert* (rather than just pouring the sand in loose)? As a > very crude example, put sand in a condom, heat-seal the end and put *that* > in the bag. Might make it tougher to manufacture, but sheesh...problem > solved, folks. > > -- > Ernest M. Crvich > Durham, NC > Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 15 20:48:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18571 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:48:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 23512 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2000 03:31:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000516033109.23511.qmail@web2001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.99.102.200] by web2001.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:31:09 PDT Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:31:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > >Fairie Whirl: toe> same out> op in> op clip > > I call it "Feral". > > Anyone else hit this? I've seen a few people hit it, namely Jason Crook the humble shredder from N.Carolina, currently living in San Diego. I'll take this time to let you all know that this kid is sick, and by World's.... watch out! He's a real smooth player with great consistency and unique big moves + combos, like 'fairy torque' and 'blurry drifter > blurry whirl'. I don't like the name 'Feral'. Brad, did you stumble accross this one searching the dictionary, or is it a Rusted Root song title? :-) I just had an idea. Since no one likes the name 'FAIRY', how about we rename it to "FIERY"! Sounds kinda dumb, too, but it's better than fairy. Come on, I haven't heard anything better. Well, someone come up with something, PLEASE! How about an adjective related to Atomic. Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 15 21:56:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19016 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:56:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17428 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:43:48 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf6qn.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.155.87]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA23094 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 00:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000516001149.00b71460@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:41:10 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? In-Reply-To: <20000516033109.23511.qmail@web2001.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 08:31 PM 5/15/00 -0700, Eli Piltz wrote: > > >Fairie Whirl: toe> same out> op in> op clip >I don't like the name 'Feral'. Brad, did you >stumble accross this one searching the >dictionary, or is it a Rusted Root song title? It would appear to be a phonetic combination of the first part of "fairy" and the last part of "whirl". Not a bad moniker IMHO. >I just had an idea. Since no one likes the name >'FAIRY', how about we rename it to "FIERY"! >Sounds kinda dumb, too, but it's better than >fairy. Come on, I haven't heard anything better. > Well, someone come up with something, PLEASE! So what is it that "no one" likes about it?! I personally think the name is a fine complement to the term "pixie", and both suit the two moves/sets well. Oh, wait a second...when you said "no one", you meant ME. I get it! But really, I prefer to be called "nobody". From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 15 22:23:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19197 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:23:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17924 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:02:27 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:00:30 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFBEB9.15460200@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:01:12 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFBEB9.15460200@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:01:10 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Someone asked who is attending Worlds and the Brat said... >Everyone is going, and the host hotel is on the website as per the >announcement earlier. http://www.footbag.org/worlds2000 This is so true. Everyone is going to Worlds and Everyone always does. My question is.... Who is going to compete at Worlds? Not in Net... Everyone who plays net competes in Net. Who is gonna compete in freestyle at Worlds?! Takes 6 minutes max in singles and 6 minutes max in team. Who can really hit their shit? Who dares to flirt with Ground Zero?! Who can show off with style?! Who is gonna put it on the line in front of everybody for the benefit of everybody and themselves?! ShowTime! Who's up for it...?! So much talent is absent from the freestyle competition ranks nowadays... Ssup wit dat?! Don't even tell me it's the money... Cause you just crashin the party if that's the case. Don't even tell me you're not competitive... Cause if you're a freestyler you're competitive. You may be to damn afraid to make it official... To damn afraid you might look bad... :) Gimme a break! Competitive isn't a bad thing... unless of course you're willing to put others down to get ahead. Come out and pull those below while you push those above... No worries... There's still be plenty of time for the free love shred circles where there supposedly is no competition. I think you know who I'm talkin to... and it's all in love biff... :) Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 10:26:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22689 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:26:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f91.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.91]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA03279 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:41:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 88517 invoked by uid 0); 16 May 2000 14:40:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000516144048.88516.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.131 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:40:48 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.131] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:40:48 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ernest Crvich wrote: "If we're going to start adding new apparatus to our shoes ("shoe adds"?), rather than just slice some material away and lace them oddly, then the Laver is no longer special. With enough glue and other materials, just about ANY lightweight sport shoe will work." Well exactly. I've been playing with some (extreemly) modified Airwalks for a few months now, and I swear I hope never wear lavers again. I'm actually supprised more people don't do this, just find some light comfortable shoes, then go to your local craft store, pick up some mesh, sole rubber, and a tube of shoe goo (sadly hard to find in Germany). I personally feel that shoe modification should be unrestricted. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 10:27:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22699 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:27:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f274.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.52]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA03539 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:54:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 80281 invoked by uid 0); 16 May 2000 14:53:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000516145337.80280.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.131 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:53:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.131] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] beads VS dirt Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:53:37 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mike Del Borrello asked: "I was just wondering why everyone doesn't use footbags with dirt fill rather than bead fill." I personally hate to play with sand bags. I use a deer-leather bead filled bag which is already probably to sticky. I still haven't found a dirt bag that either kicks, releases or flies straight. They tend to leave your foot at an angle and land like a pancake, where as a bead bag releases a lot easier more controlled and lands more evenly. Usually for multidex moves I can never control a sandbag well enough or get it to release even enough. All of course just my opinion. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 10:28:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22718 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:28:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f90.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.90]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA04121 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:11:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 55882 invoked by uid 0); 16 May 2000 15:10:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000516151056.55881.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:10:56 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:10:56 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Ernest Crvich With enough glue and other materials, just about ANY >lightweight sport shoe will work. Um, yep, any lightweight sport shoe WILL work. Red (our four dex champ) used to kick in a pair of Nike running shoes that he had modified by a shoe cobbler. He actually had leather attached to the shoe to form a toe box--similar to that of Lavers. This is a lot worse, though still not out of hand, than adding shoe goo to the SMALL little indentation on the instep of the Milleniums (it isn't that big, and it sure as hell isn't equivilant to adding wings or whatever was said). My point is this, Red is a member of BAP and kicked in those modified shoes when he was BAP-ed. So, no BAP member had a problem with it then. And, furthermore, in my honest opinion, your shoes aren't going to give you enough of an edge over the next guy to make a big difference. We all get accustomed to what we kick in. I would gaurantee that someone who was totally used to kicking a footbag in Doc Marten's (not too many people I would think) would still have a latent period in which they had to adjust to a pair of Lavers. Would that latent period be less in a transition from Docs to Lavers than one from Lavers to Docs? Of course, but a period of time for adjustment will exist in both. Derric Fogle kicks in totally unmodified Nike running shoes (zero toe box), and, I might add, he does very well. He tried a pair of modified Lavers a year or two ago, and his game took a turn for the worse. So, he went back to the Nikes, and BAM!!! he was back in the saddle again. To wrap this string of crap up, shoes assist you, but you are never going to be better than you actually are. So, I recommend forgetting about the shoe mods and just kicking. >Do you see what I'm getting at? Totally. But, keep in mind the delay (catch) is only a small element of moves that can be very complex in nature. So, you have to get those dexterities, flexibilities, and even releases/sets from the previous moves (typically, the easier the delay, the harder the release) down before the delay even has an impact on a move. This is all my opinion. In summation, I think shoe mod is A-OK. Later Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 18:53:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25172 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:53:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13365 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:02:50 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-33 #39336) with SMTP id <0FUO0050128SV3@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:02:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:02:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers In-reply-to: <4.3.1.20000515213307.00b60100@pop.mindspring.com> To: Ernest Crvich Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 15 May 2000, Ernest Crvich wrote: > No offense, Brad, honestly, but that's not a valid reason IMHO. The Teva > is *naturally* a good shoe for freestyle, without any mods...they get their > "edge" without adding new material to them, so using them as a way of > justifying making goo-wings on the Millennium is an unsound argument > (again, IMHO). Au contraire mon frere. I think Teva's are naturally terrible for freestyle. This is a personal preference and I don't think badly of anyone who uses them. I started out using Teva's and I could never get used to letting go of the bag, toe stalls were uncomfortable to catch, and they gave almost no ankle support. I know of several stylers, at least one BAP member included, who went to great lengths over the last year to modify their Teva's. This included cutting away the toe strap and replacing it with a string, stitching on cloth to the instep, and even stitching on a velcro like material to the instep to make it a flatter surface. > >you get the millenium lavers they have a deeply cut instep, so > > ...so it would NOT typically be considered a good freestyle shoe. If we're > going to start adding new apparatus to our shoes ("shoe adds"?), rather > than just slice some material away and lace them oddly, then the Laver is > no longer special. With enough glue and other materials, just about ANY > lightweight sport shoe will work. Yes EXACTLY. The perfect shoe has not bee made that will satisfy everyones personal preferences. Unfortunately Nike, Adidas, and Reebok aren't champing at the bit to see who can develop the best shoe for freestyle footbag like they do for basketball, baseball or soccer. > Is there to be no regulation for shoes > in our sport? Do you see what I'm getting at? I can't say from a competetive point of view because I haven't really formulated an opinion. But these modifications are like adds when you're kicking in a circle. Everyone knows what you're doing and if it's cool or not. If your shoes have been modified to some extreme or other then people will say to themselves "well I could do that too if I did that to my shoes" and they might. If they don't then that's that. I personally cut away almost the entire toe box on my shoes, while others leave it there. Who's better? Nobody. I understand what you're getting at and there may be a point at which to say enough's enough, but I don't think that point's been hit yet. My opinion, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 18:53:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25177 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:53:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web3407.mail.yahoo.com (web3407.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14379 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:30:44 -0700 Message-ID: <20000516193021.26334.qmail@web3407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.49.164.9] by web3407.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:30:21 PDT Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:30:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Owen Parrish Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I agree shoe modification should not be restricted. One of the things that makes footbag great is that there is very few restrictions. Why make more? Second, if you can slice, then you can add. You can't restrict one without restricting the other. Thirdly, the object of footbag, is not to see who can do the best moves with a sliced up Laver. Its just to see who can do the best moves/combos. Period. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 19:00:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25213 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:00:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-33 #39336) with SMTP id <0FUO006018WVQX@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:26:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:26:55 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? In-reply-to: <20000516033109.23511.qmail@web2001.mail.yahoo.com> To: Eli Piltz Cc: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 15 May 2000, Eli Piltz wrote: > > I don't like the name 'Feral'. Brad, did you > stumble accross this one searching the > dictionary, or is it a Rusted Root song title? I didn't like the name "poisonous toad" but I just let it go. I just mashed the sounds of the words together. I don't know anything about a Rusted Root song though the dictionary defines it as: 1. existing in a natural state, as plants or animals; not domesticated; wild 2. having reverted to the wild state, as from domestication 3. of or characteristic of wild animals; ferocious (also the name of fairie op osis); brutal I think the name seems perfectly fitting in light of this. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 19:02:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25229 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:02:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25610 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:59:00 -0700 Received: from r79a006587aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.178.150] helo=funazs) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rrEw-0006jv-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:59:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001401bfbf93$8f64aa20$96b27ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Reply-To: "Mike Furnari" From: "Mike Furnari" To: References: <20000516145337.80280.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: [freestyle] what is this? Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:05:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all i just hit this, it's my first 2 dex move i was just wondering what i should call it? TOE > SAME IN [DEX] > (no plant while) OP OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL] a few ideas that i thought it could be are: symposium pixie butterfly, well thats it i guess tell me what ya think Mike Furnari N.H.F.A. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 20:09:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25579 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:09:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32405 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:53:09 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf6nr.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.154.251]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA20440 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000516213546.00b56a60@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:20:39 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers In-Reply-To: <20000516151056.55881.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:10 AM 5/16/00 -0500, Ian Dubman wrote: >shoe goo to the SMALL little indentation on the instep of the Milleniums >(it isn't that big, and it sure as hell isn't equivilant to adding wings >or whatever was True, I exaggerated (think hummingbird, not albatross), but the point of the goo is to prevent the bag from rolling off, so a larger ridge will be more effective...anyone who's tried running shoes with those flared ridges along the sides knows how much they can facilitate inside/clipper stalls. >Totally. But, keep in mind the delay (catch) is only a small element of >moves that can be very complex in nature. I feel that the delay and the set are the two most important moments in the life span of a move. A solid delay is necessary for a good set, and a good set is essential to execute a move well, especially the more complex ones. The other aspects (leg speed, spin/dex technique, etc.) come in time as a person's skill level increases and are largely independent of the shoe's contribution (apart from weight). A shoe that makes delays and sets easier simplifies the entire move. So I can understand why not a single person here has voted "con" on the issue of shoe adds. >the previous moves (typically, the easier the delay, the harder the release) Say what now? :^) -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 20:09:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25589 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:09:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32419 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:53:12 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf6nr.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.154.251]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28829 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000516222116.00b67d40@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:49:50 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers In-Reply-To: <20000516193021.26334.qmail@web3407.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:30 PM 5/16/00 -0700, Owen Parrish wrote: >One of the things that makes footbag great is that >there is very few restrictions. Why make more? I'm looking at this mainly from the POV of fairness in competition, more for the future than for the present. All competitive sports have rules and regulations with regards to equipment...if shoes (50% of the equipment in this sport) are exempt, then so be it. >Second, if you can slice, then you can add. You can't >restrict one without restricting the other. No, not necessarily...I actually think *both* topics are open to discussion, but perhaps that additions are more "questionable". Not that I'm advocating regulation or restriction...I'm not. I'm advocating thought. >the object of footbag, is not to see who can do the >best moves with a sliced up Laver. Its just to see >who can do the best moves/combos. Period. I'm just pleased to see people expressing their opinions, really. :^) -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 20:16:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25663 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:16:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from 208.223.204.123 ([208.223.204.123]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA32533 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:54:35 -0700 Received: from antisocial.com [208.223.204.123] by 208.223.204.123 (SMTPD32-6.00) id ABFCB8E00DC; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:03:24 -0500 Message-ID: <41200053173324250@antisocial.com> X-EM-Version: 4, 0, 0, 0 X-EM-Registration: #31E3420614450303B930 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: My Own Email v3.5 From: "Sean Diakiw" To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: ezshredz@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:3:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org How about FLARE (flair?) or FLAIRIE heh. It opens up other possibilities like the floppy flairie or the scarey flairie ;) Sean >I don't like the name 'Feral'. Brad, did you >stumble accross this one searching the >dictionary, or is it a Rusted Root song title? >:-) > >I just had an idea. Since no one likes the name >'FAIRY', how about we rename it to "FIERY"! >Sounds kinda dumb, too, but it's better than >fairy. Come on, I haven't heard anything better. > Well, someone come up with something, PLEASE! >How about an adjective related to Atomic. > >Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 20:56:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25876 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:56:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01535 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:31:20 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust191.tnt43.chi5.da.uu.net [63.17.60.191]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06006; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39221279.A3FE37C0@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:31:06 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Furnari CC: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] what is this? References: <20000516145337.80280.qmail@hotmail.com> <001401bfbf93$8f64aa20$96b27ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mike Furnari wrote: > hey all > i just hit this, it's my first 2 dex move > i was just wondering what i should call it? > > TOE > SAME IN [DEX] > (no plant while) OP OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL] > It's a pixie butterfly. It doesn't get a symposium add. -TW From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 20:58:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25887 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:58:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f160.hotmail.com [216.32.181.160]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA01546 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:31:38 -0700 Received: (qmail 56016 invoked by uid 0); 17 May 2000 03:31:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517033115.56015.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 154.5.3.193 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:31:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [154.5.3.193] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] new dragon move Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:31:14 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Okay, I was shredding today and I finally sealed a pixie firefly (yay!), I was just wondering if this move had a name, if it needs an alternative name and if anyone had any objections (I'm sure there will be) to name it "Tinkerbell." I don't know why but this is the first name that popped in my head and seeing how Tinkerbell was a small pixie or fairy (whatever) and was small (maybe not as small as a firefly, though), I thought it suited the move. Okay. Objections NOW! Lates, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 20:59:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25913 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:59:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02032 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:48:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 9796 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2000 03:48:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517034854.9795.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.19] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:48:54 PDT Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:48:54 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Eli Piltz wrote: > Jason Crook > the humble shredder from N.Carolina, currently > living in San Diego. He's a real smooth > player with great consistency and unique big > moves + combos, 'blurry > drifter > blurry whirl'. Blurry Drifter> blurry whirl is hella Insane! > I just had an idea. Since no one likes the name > 'FAIRY', how about we rename it to "FIERY"! Say What?!? How bout "Fury" is that already taken? Me and Adam thought of that today. I kinda like that. "Fury Butterfly", "Fury Whirl" Sounds cool to me. But its probably already used... Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 21:01:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25942 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:01:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02062 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:49:59 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (sdn-ar-003txdallP294.dialsprint.net [168.191.177.32]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12582 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3922174A.88554278@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:51:39 -0500 From: James Sooy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? References: <41200053173324250@antisocial.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well if you think about it, all the moves are in three categories: Names of mythical and psuedo-mythical animals (dragon, pixie, butterfly counts too, etc.) trick add-ons have to deal with the mind (paradox, mirage, reverse, etc.) forces of nature (blizzard, torque, whirl, vortex, etc.) and misc. items (rake, clipper, pendelum, eggbeater, etc.) I think whatever name chosen should fall in the same category... in this case as an "mythical-animal-thingy" Feral kinda works, but that an adjective... Maybe something like a fairy such as: Imp, Gnome, elf or of that ilk. I like imp cuse its real short. ooh ooh, look at me getting all fancy "scientific" like. pssst, i don't know what i'm talking about, but it sounds alright. -"Little" James Sooy - new guy. > How about FLARE (flair?) or FLAIRIE heh. It opens up other possibilities > like the floppy flairie or the scarey flairie ;) > Sean > > >I don't like the name 'Feral'. Brad, did you > >stumble accross this one searching the > >dictionary, or is it a Rusted Root song title? > >:-) > > > >I just had an idea. Since no one likes the name > >'FAIRY', how about we rename it to "FIERY"! > >Sounds kinda dumb, too, but it's better than > >fairy. Come on, I haven't heard anything better. > > Well, someone come up with something, PLEASE! > >How about an adjective related to Atomic. > > > >Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 21:57:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26133 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:57:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02854 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:16:31 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust191.tnt43.chi5.da.uu.net [63.17.60.191]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08462; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39221C4E.1A544C20@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:13:02 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Risden CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? References: <20000517034854.9795.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Risden wrote: > Say What?!? > How bout "Fury" is that already taken? Me and Adam > thought of that today. > I kinda like that. "Fury Butterfly", "Fury Whirl" > Sounds cool to me. But its probably already used... I'm afraid so... Fury (Barraging paradox mirage): Clip > op in > same in > op in > op toe From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 21:58:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26144 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:58:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (mx1.magmacom.com [206.191.0.217]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03556 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:41:05 -0700 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09075 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave (port-4-230.magma.ca [206.191.1.230]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA12906 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007c01bfbfb9$fc0f9d80$0b01010a@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:40:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >At 12:30 PM 5/16/00 -0700, Owen Parrish wrote: >>One of the things that makes footbag great is that >>there is very few restrictions. Why make more? > >I'm looking at this mainly from the POV of fairness in competition, more >for the future than for the present. All competitive sports have rules and >regulations with regards to equipment...if shoes (50% of the equipment in >this sport) are exempt, then so be it. Well I will have to put my support on the side of NON-modification. My reasons are 1. Delaying the bag is the single most fundamental skill of freestyle (along with kicking, of course). The whole idea of the moves done in between delays is to show that you can throw the bag off of your foot, do all kinds of wacky stuff, and still have enough body control to delay the bag again. Modifying your shoes to the point where it is almost impossible NOT to catch the bag (I realize nobody has gone this far yet, but we are getting there) eliminates this basic skill. Think of other sports where tricks are done along the same lines. Skateboarding - base skill, landing on and staying on the board - if you don't do this, the trick doesn't mean much - if they find a way to make it easy to stay on the board, the tricks won't mean much either 2. Spectators need to have something they can understand about the sport in order to respect it. Everyone knows that it is hard to balance on a skateboard, so they are blown away by the things skateboarders do while staying on their boards. People know that it is hard to catch a bag on your foot, so for the casual spectator, the coolest thing about freestyle is the fact that you can catch the bag after spinning and jumping and throwing your legs over the it. If they find out that it really isn't hard to catch the bag with them special shoes and special bags, they aren't going to be impressed by any of it. 3. And the last reason is the difficulty system. Suppose I glue a plastic bowl to the heel of my shoe and then catch the bag in the bowl. Did I just do a 2-add move as difficult as a mirage? It is definitely an unusual delay... :) What I want to know is... Why is modifying shoes a necessary part of freestyle? Dave PS. Wearing my own modified Lavers right now. I am not a hypocrite! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 21:59:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26155 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:59:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (c014-h022.c014.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.86]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA02730 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:10:49 -0700 Received: (cpmta 1530 invoked from network); 16 May 2000 21:10:25 -0700 Received: from 63-248-119-229.usa3.flashcom.net (HELO ul2ju) (63.248.119.229) by smtp.flashcom.net with SMTP; 16 May 2000 21:10:25 -0700 X-Sent: 17 May 2000 04:10:25 GMT From: "Mike Stoler" To: Subject: [freestyle] shoes for footbag Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:15:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000601bfbfb6$9297fad0$e577f83f@ul2ju> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Happy Freestylers. I always thought that one of the coolest things about our sport is that there are *NO* rules about shoes and very minimal rules about the bag. You can wear clown shoes if you want to. Good luck. When people see lavers for the first time, often their reaction is, "but that's cheating." Of course it's not. And neither would be kicking in clown shoes. With respect, Rex From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 22:19:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26227 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:19:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c392116-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.7.91.61]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA00593 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005d01bfbfbc$8a5d7240$1600a8c0@hysterical.net> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: <200005161950.MAA23682@list.footbag.org> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:56:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ernest wrote.. > The Teva is *naturally* a good shoe for freestyle, without any mods... Obviously you have never seen the Tevas that Darrel Gens uses....i've never seen anyone else with a more modified shoe. (except maybe Red with his old Nike's) Regarding the laver milleniums, the only reason the shoe goo is needed is to make the instep as good as the old lavers, not to give their user some unfair advantage over people with regular lavers.. > ...so it [the laver Millenium] would NOT typically be considered a good > freestyle shoe. If you've ever kicked in them you will feel how light they are and realize that they are the lightest shoe with a toe box on the market. > With enough glue and other materials, just about ANY > lightweight sport shoe will work. Only if we want to play only with our clippers and insides. The toe box on the Lavers is key in making them a good freestyle shoe. > I would personally think those that write the rules for competition would > be at least as interested in this topic as I am, considering I don't (and > won't) even compete...from the point of view of keeping everyone on some > sort of comparable playing field. Is there to be no regulation for shoes > in our sport? Do you see what I'm getting at? The sport is hard enough that a minor shoe alteration is not going to affect the outcome of a tournament. How well you play is about a hundred times more important than what's on your feet. Peace out....Ryan Mulroney From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 22:20:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26241 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:20:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04017 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:57:56 -0700 Received: from [38.31.126.238] (ip238.schiller-park9.il.pub-ip.psi.net [38.31.126.238]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13471 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005170457.VAA13471@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:40:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? From: "Colin Larson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org here's some cool words that might be applicable to describe moves... silky Feeble (skateboard grind) alien rage(ing) Alpha Beta Gamma Wizard Atom Rusty Tetnis styley bright stereo Fa-King The Totally wacked out insane superhuman flippity thing If I create a move, I'll probably call it the "damnit" or something, that way if you hit it, you can yell out damnit and everyone will go "yay". yay. byebye -Colin ---------- >From: "Sean Diakiw" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? >Date: Tue, May 16, 2000, 11:00 PM > > How about FLARE (flair?) or FLAIRIE heh. It opens up other possibilities > like the floppy flairie or the scarey flairie ;) > Sean From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 16 22:22:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26252 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:22:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f115.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04226 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:03:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 66217 invoked by uid 0); 17 May 2000 05:03:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517050332.66216.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.168.114.162 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:03:32 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.168.114.162] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] move names Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:03:32 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up all, since someone brought it up again I have another suggestion that came to me for a new name for fairy "sets". It is "TRIPPY" I think it would be cool for trippy mirages, drifter, butterfly, torque, etc... I have a feeling there wont be a consensus but its better than fiery. BTW i dont like the name fear for fairy mirage, it should have something more related to smear, and smudge, and blur, or haze and fog, any good suggestions? later, Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 20:14:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30675 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:14:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from loom.online.ee (loom.online.ee [194.106.96.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA06234 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 23:06:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 2336 invoked from network); 17 May 2000 08:06:21 +0200 Received: from hi1-193.dyn.online.ee (HELO kasutaja) (194.106.108.193) by loom.online.ee with SMTP; 17 May 2000 08:06:21 +0200 Message-ID: <007c01bfbfbe$124b9d20$c16c6ac2@kasutaja> From: "Uve Poom" To: "Mike Furnari" , References: <20000516145337.80280.qmail@hotmail.com> <001401bfbf93$8f64aa20$96b27ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] what is this? Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:28:36 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi I suppose you don´t plant your set leg and that´s why you think it is symp. Actually it is called slurred if you don´t plant that foot. It gets the same amount if adds though. For clarification compare it to Da Da Curve and Ripwalk Both are four adds, but slightly different. Uve "r.o." Poom > hey all > i just hit this, it's my first 2 dex move > i was just wondering what i should call it? > > TOE > SAME IN [DEX] > (no plant while) OP OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL] > > a few ideas that i thought it could be are: symposium pixie butterfly, well > thats it i guess > tell me what ya think > Mike Furnari > N.H.F.A. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 20:14:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30670 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:14:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA08788 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:30:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 3807 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2000 07:30:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517073017.3806.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.153.252.243] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:30:17 PDT Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:30:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Jones Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Eli Piltz wrote: > I just had an idea. Since no one likes the name > 'FAIRY', how about we rename it to "FIERY"! James Risden wrote: > Say What?!? > How bout "Fury" is that already taken? Me and Adam > thought of that today. > I kinda like that. "Fury Butterfly", "Fury Whirl" > Sounds cool to me. But its probably already used... Thunder! aaaahhhhaaaaahhhaaahhaaaahhhhahhhhh Thunder! aaaahhhhaaaaahhhaaahhaaaahhhhahhhhh (gotta sing like ACDC) Why does everyone think these freestyle names have a need to be hardcore?...or to be changed. If we're gonna start doing that, I think first on the list of move names to be changed is wifebeater. This is the only one I have a problem with that I know of. Fairy, fiery, fury, I have no problem with either. You guys are going to drive yourselves crazy if you start renaming moves. ;-) Okay though...I'll admit I prefer a name like "Fury" or "Fiery" to a name like "Tinkerbell".. ;-) I can see where the tinkerbell idea came from. Just can't imagine saying "Hey, did you see that fat tinkerbell I busted? That was insane...I hit tinkerbell to ripped warrior to pdx barroque" Just messin' with you all... See ya, Jane From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 20:14:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30663 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:14:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA08855 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:33:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 4039 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2000 07:33:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517073343.4038.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.153.252.243] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:33:43 PDT Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:33:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Jones Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, how about bomb-diggity? diggity-dank... Colin Larson wrote: > here's some cool words that might be applicable to describe moves... > > silky > Feeble (skateboard grind) > alien > rage(ing) > Alpha > Beta > Gamma > Wizard > Atom > Rusty > Tetnis > styley > bright > stereo > Fa-King > The Totally wacked out insane superhuman flippity thing > > > If I create a move, I'll probably call it the "damnit" or something, that > way if you hit it, you can yell out damnit and everyone will go "yay". From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 21:16:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31180 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:16:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA18110 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 05:07:49 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf0ui.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.131.210]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA31106 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 08:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000517075602.00b5c910@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:04:49 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] new dragon move In-Reply-To: <20000517033115.56015.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:31 PM 5/16/00 -0400, Mickey Mayer wrote: >anyone had any objections (I'm sure there will be) to name it >"Tinkerbell." I don't ... >Okay. Objections NOW! I think it's a nifty name and indeed well-suited, but the same folks who are uncomfortable with "fairy" are going to feel twice as emasculated saying this one... -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 21:16:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31191 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:16:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15185 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave (port-2-30.magma.ca [206.191.63.30]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA25482 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002701bfc00a$1c1c83e0$0b01010a@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:13:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- > The sport is hard enough that a minor shoe alteration is not going to > affect the outcome of a tournament. How well you play is about a > hundred times more important than what's on your feet. With the term "minor", I agree completely. This means that you support limitations on the modification of shoes! :) I'm not completely anti-mod because I know that advanced players are doing unbelievable things between their delays that can't possibly be helped by a shoe mod. But for the intermediates and beginners, imagine a guy who normally does a 15-drop routine in competition adding a shovel to the side of his shoe and making his routine dropless. He has never learned to hit clipper more than 10% of the time, but now he hits it every time. That just isn't right. I don't think there need to be rules limiting the mods to shoes, but rather there should be a sense in the footbag community of how much is too much. New players should understand that if they show up at a tournament wearing shovels, it will be frowned upon. I get the feeling people don't agree with this. What is the argument FOR mods? Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 21:18:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31209 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:18:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17144 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:33:28 -0700 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.a8.5356d8f (9155) for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:07:42 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] new dragon move To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org About Dragon moves, I thought they usually had something to do with fire. I can't think of any good names but Tinkerbell has nothing to do with fire, or dragons. One more thing- I got a friend that can do a Dragon Walkover. He calls it "Implosion." Its really freaky lookin'. -Evan "Skykicker" Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 21:20:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31222 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:20:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f221.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.221]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17508 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:36:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 74092 invoked by uid 0); 17 May 2000 14:29:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517142921.74091.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2000 07:29:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: reiddm@magma.ca, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:29:21 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dave Reid wrote: >Think of other sports where tricks are done along the same lines. >Skateboarding - base skill, landing on and staying on the board - if you >don't do this, the trick doesn't mean much - if they find a way to make it >easy to stay on the board, the tricks won't mean much either Um... They did. It is called Grip Tape and concave boards. They are both still in use today and I doubt Tony Hawk and company would give it up for the world. >If they find out that it really isn't hard to catch the >bag with them special shoes and special bags, they aren't going to be >impressed by any of it. Isn't hard to catch? Special bags? Special shoes? Whoa there Nellie!! This is one of the most challenging sports out there. Yeah, you can look alright for the specatators by hitting some low level tricks, but when it comes to hopping in a circle with some of our elite players--shoes don't mean shit!! And,really, all bags are special. Plain and simple, you pick a bag which is suited to your preferences and style of play. So, the bag which is "special" to me might not be so "special" to the next guy. Basically, I would give anyone (regardless of what they had on there feet) props for hitting moves like Super Duper Fly, Nuclear Whirl, Shooting Star, Big Apple, etc. >3. And the last reason is the difficulty system. Suppose I glue a plastic >bowl to the heel of my shoe and then catch the bag in the bowl. Did I just >do a 2-add move as difficult as a mirage? It is definitely an unusual >delay... :) My question is how do you plan to get that bag out of the bowl and continue playing in a reasonable fashion? As, I said before, the easier the delay is made by modifications, the harder the release becomes. But, yes, it would be quite unusual. >What I want to know is... Why is modifying shoes a necessary part of >freestyle? It really isn't. You don't HAVE to do anything to your shoes. Some people play better without mods. Personally, I feel most of my delays would be caught just as well without walls on my Lavers (they are flat enough and my delays, by now, should be accurate enough. But, it is an issue of comfort and security. If it has worked for you, why change it? If it hasn't, then switch. Now, I am gonna go strap a dixie cup to my toe box. Later Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 21:22:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31240 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:22:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f66.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18311 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:47:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 42857 invoked by uid 0); 17 May 2000 12:20:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517122054.42856.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.101 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2000 05:20:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.101] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 05:20:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dave Reid wrote: >Suppose I glue a plastic bowl to the heel of my shoe and then catch >the >bag in the bowl. Did I just do a 2-add move as difficult as a >mirage? It >is definitely an unusual delay... :) I think this whole discussion is kind of moot. Do you people know why so many players actually cut the walls off of their lavers's??? Usually the delay is the easiest part of complex moves, the set is a lot more important. You could build giant cups on all the stalling surfaces of your shoes, but you'd never get the bag off your foot again. I wear just about the most highly modified shoes of anyone, and I did it to make the stalling surfaces as flat as possible and the shoe as light as possible. >What I want to know is... Why is modifying shoes a necessary part of >freestyle? Because there still isn't a shoe actually made for freestyle and everyone has different preferences anyway. And the changes do make a difference in how one plays. Tell me why someone serious about this sport shouldn't modify their shoes if it will help their game? Btw yes you can modify just about any shoes for freestyle if you know something about sowing. If anyone is interested I'll write a page about how I did it. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 21:23:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31251 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:23:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18585 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:52:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 23680 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2000 01:52:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000518015211.23679.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.69] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:52:11 PDT Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] what's a big apple sauce? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, A long time ago, I looked at the moveslist to try to figure out what a "Big Apple Sauce" would look like. Back then, the description just looked like a bunch of CRAP! I thought to myself, "Stay calm Jamez, Its just gonna take a while for your footbag mind to mature." Well, I just got done lookin at it, and I STILL cant make any sense of it. By the way, did we start callin' pixie drifter "smoke"??? (im cool with this name, not that anyone cares) And if that gets a speacial name, why shouldent pixie whirl? I just started hittin' these 2 and thier names dont sound very cool. hehe Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 21:24:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31262 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:24:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18986 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:57:10 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.e6.578aad7 (6096) for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 08:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:12:25 EDT Subject: [freestyle] "girly" move components and names To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear Freestyle List, Every few months or so, someone complains about "pixie" and "fairy." Apparently they seem to think it doesn't assert the manliness of footbag, or something of the sort. I have two points to make: the serious shredders have been using such terms for so long that trying to get them (and most of the newbies, for that matter) to change names or terminology is a lost cause. it's simply not important enough to ask that we change something as minor as the exact terminology for such a common move. Second of all, I find it laughable that in what I consider to be one of the most homoerotic sports I've ever encountered (guys in hotpants, and practically nothing else, jumping around sweating in circles with other guys), the issue of the exact naming of some of the moves has come to be an issue. Pixie and fairie have been fine, there's no actual improvement in changing them, and everyone's used to them. Thoughts? Ideas? Scorching retorts? Matthew "Clever Nickname" Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 21:25:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31273 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:25:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f190.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.190]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19222 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:02:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 78594 invoked by uid 0); 17 May 2000 22:01:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517220138.78593.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.161.42.62 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:01:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.161.42.62] From: "jim penske" To: footbagfreak@antisocial.com, freestyle@footbag.org Cc: ezshredz@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:01:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I personnaly like fiery the best. Jim >From: "Sean Diakiw" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >CC: ezshredz@yahoo.com >Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? >Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:3:24 -0600 > >How about FLARE (flair?) or FLAIRIE heh. It opens up other possibilities >like the floppy flairie or the scarey flairie ;) >Sean > > >I don't like the name 'Feral'. Brad, did you > >stumble accross this one searching the > >dictionary, or is it a Rusted Root song title? > >:-) > > > >I just had an idea. Since no one likes the name > >'FAIRY', how about we rename it to "FIERY"! > >Sounds kinda dumb, too, but it's better than > >fairy. Come on, I haven't heard anything better. > > Well, someone come up with something, PLEASE! > >How about an adjective related to Atomic. > > > >Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 21:25:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31287 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:25:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20006 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:14:30 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:12:44 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC033.F5871900@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:13:18 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFC033.F5871900@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] poisonous toad Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:13:16 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org is one of the best names for a freestyle move ever Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 21:27:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31303 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:27:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23185 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:16:20 -0700 Received: from [198.202.67.60] (198.202.67.60) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 17 May 2000 08:13:37 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BFBEB9.15460200@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:12:54 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > So much talent is absent from the > freestyle competition ranks nowadays... Ssup wit dat?! Hmmmm. lack of an event maybe ? I would suspect the lack of talent in competition is directly related to the lack of an event to showcase said talent. 90%+ of the people on this list don't work a routine regularly. Yet Routines is the only recognized form of freestyle competition . 100% of the people on this list practice shred . . . i wonder what event could possibly be missing from footbag. When shred is held as an an event at tournaments, and not as a $5 circus sideshow, then the number of competitiors will grow. --C $_=jaubsctdaenfogthhiejrkplomonrohpaqcrksetru; {s/(.)./\1/g}{s/k/kysack/}{s/r/r\ /g}{s/([tl])/\1\ /}{print} From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 21:27:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31314 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:27:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23524 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:25:55 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust246.tnt47.chi5.da.uu.net [63.17.68.246]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11526; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3923629E.A6079FF4@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:25:18 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tyler Guindon CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] what is this? References: <20000516145337.80280.qmail@hotmail.com> <001401bfbf93$8f64aa20$96b27ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> <39221279.A3FE37C0@earthlink.net> <001601bfc076$2c6edc40$5eb77ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tyler Guindon wrote: > A pixie butterfly has a plant after the first dex, so it isnt that... im not > sure what it would be, though symposium pixie butterfly sounds ok... Generally yes, but it's not required(people are going to argue with me about this I can feel it) I guess if you want to say that pixie requires a plant then you can call it a pixie symposium butterfly(not symposium pixie butterfly because the pixie isn't symposium the butterfly is) but butterflies(from pixie anyway) can't be symposium, so it would just be a way of destinguishing it from a regular pixie butterfly. it doesn't get an extra add though. then again, adds don't count. Alright? -TW From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 21:29:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31327 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:29:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f66.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA23751 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:31:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 63675 invoked by uid 0); 17 May 2000 14:04:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517140425.63674.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2000 07:04:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:04:25 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I said... >>the previous moves (typically, the easier the delay, the harder the >>release) Then Ernest said... >Say what now? :^) Sorry that wasn't real clear. I was trying to say that the arguement is stemming from what modifications make catching the bag easier, right? Whereas, in reality, if it is easier to catch the bag, it will be more difficult to release/set the bag. You said sets and delays are the most important parts of a move (while I believe all portions are equivilant, just my opinion), and it is just a simple fact (ask anybody who has made transitions from Lavers and Tevas) that the cup that assists you in a catch will make one or more sets more difficult. Example? How about the Laver toe box mod--easier toe delay versus a more difficult pixie and fairy set. I know there are more, and better examples, but I am late for work. I think you can see what I mean now, though. Anyhow, I hope I made my previous message a bit more clear. Take it easy all. Ian Dubman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 21:30:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31344 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:30:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24487 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:52:41 -0700 Received: from pavilion1 (ilanna67.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.78]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA31032 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:52:46 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000517225655.006a1abc@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:56:55 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Midwestern Regionals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up, my fellow Shredders? Who's planning on going to Midwestern Regionals in Chicago in late July? I think I'll head up that way to compete and wanted to know if I'll see any familiar faces. Alex (Integer, of the Penn State Trio) -- ************************* Alexander Faber University Park, Pa integer@psu.edu faber@math.psu.edu integer@footbag.org "I have deeply regretted that I did not proceed far enough at least to understand something of the great leading principles of mathematics; for men thus endowed seem to have an extra sense." -- Charles Darwin "Love, and you shall be loved. All love is mathematically just, as much as the two sides of an algebraic equation." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************* From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 22:25:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31619 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:25:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26085 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:36:11 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (sdn-ar-001txdallP070.dialsprint.net [168.191.156.54]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10134 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <392373AA.9A6061D2@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:38:02 -0500 From: James Sooy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers References: <002701bfc00a$1c1c83e0$0b01010a@dave> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Maybe people should only be allowed to "take away" from shoes? so you can't add anything, only take away... and no home-made shoes. That would limit modifications... I've seen alot of lacrosse cloves have the palm cut out, for better stick handleing, I don't see anything wrong with that. And this way no shovels/etc. would be able to be added. Noramly, I practice in all leather bowling shoes (yes I know), but I have a pair of lavors ordered and on their way. ANY pair of real shoes would help my game, but does anyone think lavors would make much more a diffrence then say Airwalks? Or any more of a diffrence then switching from a footbag filled beads to a footbag filled sand? Again, I don't really know what i'm talking about... "little" James Dave Reid wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > The sport is hard enough that a minor shoe alteration is not going to > > affect the outcome of a tournament. How well you play is about a > > hundred times more important than what's on your feet. > > With the term "minor", I agree completely. This means that you support > limitations on the modification of shoes! :) > > I'm not completely anti-mod because I know that advanced players are doing > unbelievable things between their delays that can't possibly be helped by a > shoe mod. But for the intermediates and beginners, imagine a guy who > normally does a 15-drop routine in competition adding a shovel to the side > of his shoe and making his routine dropless. He has never learned to hit > clipper more than 10% of the time, but now he hits it every time. That just > isn't right. > > I don't think there need to be rules limiting the mods to shoes, but rather > there should be a sense in the footbag community of how much is too much. > New players should understand that if they show up at a tournament wearing > shovels, it will be frowned upon. > > I get the feeling people don't agree with this. What is the argument FOR > mods? > > Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 22:27:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31637 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:27:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27087 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:07:25 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf2ct.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.137.157]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA26263 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 01:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000518004955.00b582b0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:02:42 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers In-Reply-To: <20000517142921.74091.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 09:29 AM 5/17/00 -0500, you wrote: >be so "special" to the next guy. Basically, I would give anyone >(regardless of what they had on there feet) props for hitting moves like >Super Duper Fly, Nuclear Whirl, Shooting Star, Big Apple, etc. The idea of regulation won't affect the elite players as much as much as the rest of the pack...not there's not much that would, that's why they ARE the elite. But I think shoe mods would significantly affect the game play of novice and intermediate level players, especially the former. >My question is how do you plan to get that bag out of the bowl and >continue playing in a reasonable fashion? As, I said before, the easier >the delay is made by modifications, the harder the release becomes. I personally don't equate ease-of-delay with the size or depth of the surface, so that's why I was confused by your statement earlier...IMHO, ease has more to do with maximizing consistency...reducing the chance of the bag rolling off, bouncing, skipping, etc. due to shoe imperfections. -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 22:27:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31648 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:27:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27081 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:07:24 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf2ct.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.137.157]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA06301 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 01:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000518003435.00b639f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:48:00 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] "girly" move components and names In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 08:12 AM 5/17/00 -0400, Matthew Cross wrote: >moves has come to be an issue. Pixie and fairie have been fine, there's >no actual improvement in changing them, and everyone's used to them. >Thoughts? Ideas? Scorching retorts? Nail hit on the head, Matt. I hope Eli was just throwing rocks at a hornet's nest to see what would happen. ;^) If not, I'll see to it that the replacement for "fairy" becomes "pansy". -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 22:28:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31659 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:28:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27069 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:07:21 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf2ct.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.137.157]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA12333 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 01:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000518000101.00b551c0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:04:54 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers In-Reply-To: <005d01bfbfbc$8a5d7240$1600a8c0@hysterical.net> References: <200005161950.MAA23682@list.footbag.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 08:56 PM 5/16/00 -0700, Ryan Mulroney wrote: >Regarding the laver milleniums, the only reason the shoe goo is needed is to >make the instep as good as the old lavers, not to give their user some >unfair advantage over people with regular lavers.. I don't know about that...if there's no regulation (I feel strange saying that to a man known as The Regulator), then many/most people will put as much goo as they feel makes stalls and sets as easy as possible. Heck, I would...why not? > > With enough glue and other materials, just about ANY > > lightweight sport shoe will work. > >Only if we want to play only with our clippers and insides. The toe box on >the Lavers is key in making them a good freestyle shoe. Nah, you can MAKE a great toe box on any shoe if you've got shoe goo and other materials and are willing to do so. It might look silly, but it'd work just as well. Once we start adding materials rather than just take away, you don't need a naturally good inside/toe design. >The sport is hard enough that a minor shoe alteration is not going to affect >the outcome of a tournament. How well you play is about a hundred times more >important than what's on your feet. From having played in a certain flavor of Reebok Classics and comparing them to Lavers, I personally think shoe mods can make a significant difference. I could hardly miss a clipper stall if I tried with those things, it was almost a joke...and it made sets easier too, Ian. ;^) In fact, if after the dust is settled mods of any kind are still honorable, I'll probably dig those puppies back out and hack together a good toe box. :^) -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 22:29:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31687 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:29:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2003.mail.yahoo.com (web2003.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA26652 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:55:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 3803 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2000 04:55:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000518045555.3802.qmail@web2003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.207.3.144] by web2003.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:55:55 PDT Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:55:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: brat@footbag.org, outsider@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > What's wrong with fairy? Some names are not cut out for freestyle. Freestyle is a young sport, full of punk rockers and computer nerds alike, and we all like stylish, bad ass sort of names, and humorous ones. 'Fairy' simply does not cut it. I don't think 'Pixie' is very good either. When I see someone bust 'pixie paradon' or 'fairy torque', I ask myself why such pavement crushing, back snapping moves have dainty names with a cutesy adjective reminiscent of Peter Pan and the Tooth Fairy. Perhaps, we should rename a few moves: 'Fairy Torque' is now "Tinker Bell" and 'Pixie Paradon' is now "Magic Sprinkles". While we're at it, 'Atomic Drifter' is now "My Little Pony" and 'Vortex' is now "Unicorn Shine". Sound good? Come on folks, this is a no-brainer. Get over the lame-name-game. 'FIERY' instead of 'fairy', and for 'pixie'... how about 'SLIDING'?- pixie butterfly would become "Slidewalk" (cool!). If not, shifty, flipping, whipping, swiping, fakey, trajec(tory), icy, scraping, waxing, waning, plank, portal, solar, solo, nova... I'm out (for now). Eli Piltz p.s. Feral is fine. It just reminds me of someone I don't like; no biggie. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 22:29:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31698 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:29:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f43.hotmail.com [216.32.181.43]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA26282 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:43:23 -0700 Received: (qmail 2477 invoked by uid 0); 18 May 2000 04:43:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000518044300.2476.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 154.5.23.102 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:43:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [154.5.23.102] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] "girly" move components and names Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:43:00 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Matt and others, Matt wrote in concerning the pixie/fairy names: >I have two points to make: the serious shredders have been using >such >terms for so long that trying to get them (and most of the >newbies, for >that matter) to change names or terminology is a lost >cause. it's simply >not important enough to ask that we change >something as minor as the exact >terminology for such a >common move. >Second of all, I find it laughable that in what I consider >to be one of the most homoerotic sports I've ever encountered (guys >in >hotpants, and practically nothing else, jumping around sweating in >circles with other guys), the issue of the exact naming of some of >the >moves has come to be an issue. Pixie and fairie have been fine, >there's >no actual improvement in changing them, and everyone's used >to them. I just wanted to say that I totally agree with what Matt's saying. I mean, come on guys, pixie and fairy are cool names!!! Let's just stop trying to change something that's already been stated as being "official." It's a name and nothing else. Let's move on. :) Peace, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 22:30:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31712 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:30:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26135 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:38:23 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (sdn-ar-001txdallP070.dialsprint.net [168.191.156.54]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15526 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39237428.E9F0F5D9@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:40:09 -0500 From: James Sooy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers References: <20000517142921.74091.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Why where shoes at all? If some people were as hardcore as they seemed to be, they'ed be playing in bare-feet with rocks. -"little" james Ian Dubman wrote: > Dave Reid wrote: > > >Think of other sports where tricks are done along the same lines. > >Skateboarding - base skill, landing on and staying on the board - if you > >don't do this, the trick doesn't mean much - if they find a way to make it > >easy to stay on the board, the tricks won't mean much either > > Um... They did. It is called Grip Tape and concave boards. They are both > still in use today and I doubt Tony Hawk and company would give it up for > the world. [...] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 17 23:09:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31880 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:09:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.hmhs.com (firewall-user@smtp.hmhs.com [38.233.72.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28478 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:48:19 -0700 Received: by smtp.hmhs.com; id AAA11076; Thu, 18 May 2000 00:48:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(167.99.69.118) by smtp.hmhs.com via smap (4.1) id xma011074; Thu, 18 May 00 00:48:21 -0500 Received: by SVARLEXC05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 18 May 2000 00:43:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Wilson, Mike" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:43:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was just feeling left out, so I thought I better send my thoughts on the subject. I love my "modified" lavers................ They have increased the fun by at least 10x. That's what it's all about.... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 08:03:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01321 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:03:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30444 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:52:28 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx2-42.ix.netcom.com [207.94.120.170]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA32033 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 02:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392393F6.35017022@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:55:50 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] what's a big apple sauce? References: <20000518015211.23679.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Risden wrote: > > A long time ago, I looked at the moveslist to try to > figure out what a "Big Apple Sauce" would look like. You need to understand a few moves before you can visualize the big apple sauce. First, think marius - spinning torque (as opposed to mobius which is gyro torque). Then, think symposium marius (set, spin and do the torque without ever planting your set foot). I've never seen a symposium marius, but I'm guessing it is possible. Then, if that isn't enough, think gyro mirage before all of this. Put it together and you get a gyro miraging symposium torque - the big apple sauce. Cool? > By the way, did we start callin' pixie drifter > "smoke"??? Works for me... > And if that gets a speacial name, why shouldent pixie > whirl? It seems that many whirling moves don't have names - blurry whirl, spinning whirl, gyro whirl, blistering whirl, pixie whirl, fairy whirl (unless the feral thing catches on). If you are hitting a move that isn't named, suggest a name. If people don't rag on you too bad, then you can assume the name was accepted :) Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 08:09:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01365 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:09:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA01090 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 01:39:01 -0700 Received: from GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA07895; Thu, 18 May 00 04:41:22 EDT Received: from melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.45]) by grand-central-station.MIT.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA24386 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 04:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [18.237.0.33] (FIVE-HT.MIT.EDU [18.237.0.33]) by melbourne-city-street.MIT.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA09275 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 04:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 04:38:34 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Samuel Andrew Hires Subject: Re: [freestyle] "girly" move components and names Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Dear Freestyle List, > Every few months or so, someone complains about "pixie" and >"fairy." Apparently they seem to think it doesn't assert the manliness >of footbag, or something of the sort. I have two points to make: the >serious shredders have been using such terms for so long that trying to >get them (and most of the newbies, for that matter) to change names or >terminology is a lost cause. it's simply not important enough to ask >that we change something as minor as the exact terminology for such a >common move. Second of all, I find it laughable that in what I consider >to be one of the most homoerotic sports I've ever encountered (guys in >hotpants, and practically nothing else, jumping around sweating in >circles with other guys), the issue of the exact naming of some of the >moves has come to be an issue. Pixie and fairie have been fine, there's >no actual improvement in changing them, and everyone's used to them. >Thoughts? Ideas? Scorching retorts? > >Matthew "Clever Nickname" Cross I have one thing to say... Ian Dubman wrote in another thread: >>the previous moves (typically, the easier the delay, the harder the release) I have another question. Why is it that the people that lurk in this list are the best people in the sport. Shouldn't they be the ones talking the most shit? It seems an inverse relationship has happened. Are there no more serious technical discussions? Is the concept of paradox cemented in peoples minds (I still have serious theoretical issues with its implementation.) Why aren't people giving more props to the 4-dex? Is it because all the top dawgs have done one already, (not on video though). Come on. I am getting bored here! It seems this list only has "official" name recommendations for "new" moves these days. I thought the cutting edge would have more to say then silence, except when it came to their shoes. To sum up my opinions on the last year.... Fairy, Pixie (Angel Dust is cool dudes!), Poisionus Toad and especially Wifebeater are phat names. I WILL hit a wifebeater, one of these days. I hate PC crap. It's a T-shirt PEOPLE! Names are names that people that hit them come up with. If you live in Boston, like me, one day, you discover the west coast name for the trick, hell I discover the east coast name for the trick, even though I live closer to the ocean then all you east coast heads. It is not a democracy, it is not an Internet Voting Booth. It is whatever people call it. Telling me over the list ain't going to change my terms, unless I am overcome be the difficulty*coolness of the name. This list is trying globalize the sport, but not enough people are joining in the fun. I wish people would post tips on the Freestyle area of footbag.org a good tip could shave 2 weeks of training off someone's life. Adding shit to shoes is for wimps. Just like the new pointe shoes for ballet are for wimps who don't want their toenails to fall off. But really, I would never add anything to my shoes. I am totally pro cut and anti-add. Of course I have never worn a pair of millenniums and had the worst score at worlds last year. Ken has the most clever nickname. Paradox should be for counter hip rotation. Dragon should get an unusual add. IT IS UNUSUAL TO TWIST YOUR FOOT THAT MUCH! Go to worlds, I can't, but you KNOW what goes down in Vancouver.... Stretch, and watch out for guys in HOTpants, they really sketch me out... Andrew Now I will retire once again to my hole. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 08:12:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01389 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:12:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c392116-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.7.91.61]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA12246 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 04:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001301bfc0be$973ade00$1600a8c0@hysterical.net> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: <200005171950.MAA28088@list.footbag.org> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 04:45:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dave Reid wrote... > Well I will have to put my support on the side of NON-modification. When you kick do you wear Rod Lavers, if so did you cut open the toe seems and lace them in a way that facilitates toe stalls? > Modifying your shoes to the point where it is almost impossible NOT to > catch the bag eliminates this basic skill. Do you understand how incredibly easy it is to catch a toe stall in the Lavers that everyone currently uses? I will say it again...the bit of shoe goo applied to the new Lavers is simply filling the instep to the point of the old Lavers. It is not making them better, only equal in that regard. The only advantage gained by opting for new Lavers with the shoe goo modification is that of the relativeness lightness of the shoe. > Think of other sports where tricks are done along the same lines. > Skateboarding - base skill, landing on and staying on the board And you know what, every skateboard is covered in grip tape that makes it easier to stay on the board...and I'm willing to bet you are still impressed at what skateboarders can do despite the fact that you are now aware of this edge that they gain by modifying their skateboards. > If they find out that it really isn't hard to catch the > bag with them special shoes and special bags, they aren't going to be > impressed by any of it. Then maybe we should all use unbroken in Sipa Sipas to show them just how impressive us footbaggers can be. > What I want to know is... Why is modifying shoes a necessary part of > freestyle? Because no one makes a freestyle shoe accept those who choose to modify a tennis shoe. Ryan Mulroney From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 08:13:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01400 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:13:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08197 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 05:25:53 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:10:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'Cameron Kennedy'" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:10:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Cameron Kennedy wrote: > When shred is held as an an event at tournaments, and not as a $5 circus > sideshow, then the number of competitiors will grow. > > --C Tell me then, what is the best way to judge these shred competitions? Is it the 45 second shred, Phat trick, best combo...? The Philly Open has tried a few things over the past two years, and we were actually guilty of making it a "$5 circus sideshow", but only because we are not sure enough of the format yet to offer prize money overall. I think you're right, but something is missing from your deductions it seems. Even if the shred event doesn't offer a ton of prize money, or is run as a demo event, it still seems that tons of players would sign right up to showcase their skills if what you are saying is correct. Bob "Just playing devil's advocate" Riefer PS- If I remember correctly, Funtastik runs 45 second shred as a main event, and still had minimal competitors-- not sure though (Ryan? Scott?..) PPS- Run an event!! Tailor it to what you have in mind-- I'd come :-) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 08:14:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01418 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:14:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.emerson.edu (mail.emerson.edu [199.94.64.19]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15201 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 07:54:17 -0700 Received: by MAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:51:37 -0400 Message-ID: <4143DB540B49D31182CE00062B00694B01706F5C@MAIL> From: Spartan Giordano To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] cali shredders plz read! Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:51:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, my name is Spartan, i am from massachusetts and I have been shredding for past couple of years. my family is taking a trip out to california on the 23rd-30th and i was hoping i could hook up with some shredders. yes, i know the western regionals are happening. unfortunately i can't make it since i won't be nearby on the 27th-29th. (talk about so close yet so far!!!) anyway, here's my schedule: 23&24:sanfrancisco 25:undecided 26-28:carmel 29&30:yosemite so, if anyone can hook up with me that would be sooo phat! thx -spartan~ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 09:57:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01890 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:57:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f63.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA19462 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:27:38 -0700 Received: (qmail 53003 invoked by uid 0); 18 May 2000 16:27:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20000518162715.53002.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.98 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:27:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.98] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] random, (was: "girly" move components and names) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:27:15 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Samuel Andrew Hires wrote: >I have another question. Why is it that the people that lurk in >this list are the best people in the sport. Because they've all had these exact same arguments a decade ago and they're bord. That and because they're to busy shreding. I however don't mind dredging up the same muck. further (sceriously condensed): >Are there no more serious technical discussions? ... Why aren't >people >giving more props to the 4-dex? ... and on and on and on... It was a long post. To address some of (the other) Andrew's concerns: I too think Wifebeater is way to insensitive, I suggest the trick be renamed "honkey" or "wigger" or to be multicultural how about "Analverkehr" or "dermo" Once again mega props to Red, hopefully we get to see the video soon so a debate can start up about how clean he was hitting it ;) I think the discussion of paradox is rather moot because the whole system neads an overhaul. Not to mention that the chances of getting this group to agree on a deffinition are about the same as my Grandmother hitting shooting star. We discuss move names a lot (maybe too much) because this is the only forum in which to do so. I think it's great (ok a little tiring) players sharing knowledge and letting the community decide (I beileve this is what Aristotal(sp) called mob rule). I'd personally like to see a few more posts about peoples progress, ideas, hints, but I'm probably in the minority on that. I don't have anyone to talk with about this stuff, so I love reading it all. Cheers. -Andrew ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 18:34:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04175 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:34:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2006.mail.yahoo.com (web2006.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.206]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA28361 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:45:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 1349 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2000 19:45:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20000518194515.1348.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.207.3.151] by web2006.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:45:15 PDT Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:45:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The Regulator is completely right on about the whole shoe modification contraversy. I will simply add to it: It is only a matter of time until footbag freestyle has its own shoe. Will we design them to need modifications? Of course not. And we'll probably keep improving them as the sport grows. There need to be no restrictions, or people will be barred from new ideas which may improve the sport. We are talking about glueing a lip on the shoe, not adding a magnetic sleeve inside the toe box, given a footbag filled with metal particles be used. It's like evolving the shape of a skateboard as opposed to strapping your feet on it. I cut off my entire toe box from the Millenium Lavers- it's mere preference, not a hinderance or unfair aide. Bye, Eli From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 18:36:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04200 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:36:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06177 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:19:55 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf14d.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.132.141]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10686 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000518180508.00b6f2e0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:17:05 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move? In-Reply-To: <20000518045555.3802.qmail@web2003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 09:55 PM 5/17/00 -0700, Eli Piltz wrote: >and for 'pixie'... how about 'SLIDING'?- pixie >butterfly would become "Slidewalk" (cool!). If Why not rename Pixie-set moves to be "Mooning", then you could have Moonwalk! :^) And just the *thought* of a Mooning Drifter makes me tingle all over! :^) And you know what? "Fiery" is pronounced so similarly as "Fairy" (especially in the deep south...I lived in Mississippi for several years, y'all, so I can say that), that it really makes little difference except on paper. Ha! So knock yourself out, all you Punk Rockers, rename away! :^) :^) :^) Next item up for bid: Butterfly. First offer from the fellow in the back is "Corpsegrinder". Going once... With complete respect but utter amusement, Ernest "Snotty Computer Nerd" Crvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 18:36:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04219 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:36:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f48.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.48]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA07328 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:49:08 -0700 Received: (qmail 55903 invoked by uid 0); 18 May 2000 23:48:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000518234840.55902.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.188.196.52 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:48:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.196.52] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: bugpowdr@MIT.EDU, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] "girly" move components and names Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:48:40 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I have another question. Why is it that the people that lurk in >this list are the best people in the sport. Shouldn't they be the >ones talking the most shit? Simple...because they're all out setting up sessions, toting video cameras and shredding their balls off so they can gain the status to post to this list. These people that so call "lurk" on the list are the ones actually out there hitting the moves that all others are talking about...or atleast trying to hit them. While most are typing out long, detailed criticisms on move names, these "lurkers" are outside kickin...its plain and simple, cut and dry, black and white. I'm not discouraging posting to the list, just making an observation. I this list originated for things that people were wondering about after they'd been working on a move, or having problem with a link...am I right? It aint about being a word nerd, its about putting what you got on the table...showing what you got after skooling your ass off. Names for moves are just supplementary, necessary yes, but dont let them become your first priority. When it comes down to it people are gonna be more impressed with what you can hit than with how many names of moves you know... not to rag on anyone or to make myself look good but thats just the way i've interpreted things. take it easy then... ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 18:37:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04230 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:37:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07564 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:55:18 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf14d.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.132.141]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26240 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000518191908.00b71b00@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:52:42 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers In-Reply-To: <001301bfc0be$973ade00$1600a8c0@hysterical.net> References: <200005171950.MAA28088@list.footbag.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 04:45 AM 5/18/00 -0700, Ryan Mulroney wrote: >I will say it again...the bit of shoe goo applied to the new Lavers is >simply filling the instep to the point of the old Lavers. It is not making >them better, only equal in that regard. Some people would and do take it farther, but it doesn't really matter for the discussion at hand. This isn't about what some people do, it's about what we ALLOW people to do...anything, nothing, or somewhere in between? You know what we could do at some point, if everyone's feeling democratic, is use Footbag Worldwide to VOTE on this topic. If only to get a feel for what the majority thinks...only a tiny fraction of readers have expressed their opinion here. The question being "should it be fair for players to use shoes (in competition) with ANY kind of modification, NO modification, or LIMITED modification (e.g., no added materials to the outside of the shoe)?" If you don't compete, you can still ask yourself the question theoretically...assume that winning is a "good" thing. ;^) Is this worth voting on, or does no one really give a rat's petunia? -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 18:38:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04255 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:38:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10780 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:07:00 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:05:08 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC0F3.B15FE160@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:05:47 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFC0F3.B15FE160@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:05:44 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Cameron wrote... >Hmmmm. lack of an event maybe ? >90%+ of the people on this list don't work a routine regularly. So get to work. A routine is just shred with a little style. > I would suspect the lack of talent in competition is directly related to >the lack of an event to showcase said talent. 100% of the people on this >list practice shred . . . i wonder what event could possibly be missing from >footbag. I would never suspect that. Perhaps there is an event missing... but that should have no bearing on how many freestylers are willing to lay down a routine. Shred is just another term for freestyle. I'll prove it... Who are the best shredders in the world? Okay now... who are the best freestylers in the world?! Come up with the same list don't ya? >When shred is held as an an event at tournaments, and not as a $5 circus >sideshow, then the number of competitors will grow. All footbag is a Circus side show. I've never seen foobag center stage... "big top time"... never... not even close... Freestyle and shred go hand in hand. A shred competition simply tries to revolve around difficulty exclusively. A routine competition integrates style and difficulty... Can you shred with style. What can you really hit? Not... What can you kind of hit... sometimes? Not what is your biggest stuff, but what is your stuff... all your stuff? I like many of the Shred competition formats and think a few good ones should be promoted. I also agree that there would instantly be more competitors if Shred competitions were held at every tourney from now on. But there may still be few people willing to lay down a freestyle routine... and that is what I'm talking about. Style baby... I also would love to say... I just hit a "Tinkerbell" to a "Poisonous Toad"... that truely would be named as cool as the combo. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 18:45:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04280 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:45:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA00989 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:21:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 14675 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2000 21:21:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000518212133.14674.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.210.47] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:21:33 PDT Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] what's a big apple sauce? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok, Now that I've found out what a big apple sauce is. It gave me an Idea for another (much more possible)7 ADD Move. Ok, Its basically a big apple sauce but you do it mobius style instead of marius style. Kinda like big apple (with another dex). This also gives me another idea, Gyro symposium mirage with another in>out dex first.... Has anyone hit these moves? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 18:45:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04285 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:45:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09708 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:46:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 11891 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2000 00:46:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000519004643.11890.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.210.121] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:46:43 PDT Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] another 6ADDER To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just hit my 2nd 6ADD move. It was a stepping paradox symposium whirl. I just just wondering how many other people have hit 6ADD moves within their 1st year? Im seriously thinking im making footbag history here! I was guiltless within 6 months too. Is that a record? Later, Jamez Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 18:57:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04353 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:57:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32329 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:57:33 -0700 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.20.614ab5a (3930) for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20.614ab5a.2655b31a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:56:58 EDT Subject: [freestyle] What IS Wifebeater? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org WHat is a wifebeater? I looked on the list and couldn't find it. And is poisonous toad a real trick? Oh, and I don't really like the name. I wouldn't want to be playing then say, "Ooo! I did a wifebeater!" -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 18 23:38:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05191 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 18 May 2000 23:38:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18778 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 21:07:47 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf0kc.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.130.140]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA21055 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 00:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000518231309.00b56750@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 00:05:17 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] "girly" move components and names In-Reply-To: <20000518234840.55902.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 04:48 PM 5/18/00 -0700, Bryan Fournier wrote: >I this list originated for things that people were wondering about after >they'd been working on a move, or having problem with a link...am I right? Any and all things freestyle, AFAIK. That is, anything Steve would allow back then. ;^) I recall a number of fish-related postings of mine never made it through, and he was right to cancel them. Like I can remember this one kid from our neighborhood, "Fast" Reggie we called him (on account of his big front teeth), that crazy Reggie once took a ten-pound rainbow trout, I ain't kiddin', and he pushed it right through his, get this, through his...oops, sorry, I got a bit carried away there. >It aint about being a word nerd, its about putting what you got on the >table...showing what you got after skooling your ass off. I reckon they's room here fo' everybody, I reckon. I mean, if a total gimboid like myself can get these wastes of bandwidth past the moderator (without having to sleep with him...often), then I suspect anyone with something to say about freestyle or fish is quite welcome here. And let me just say that Ethan Klein's colorful musings on things footisophical are missed. A word nerd in a class by himself. :^) Heh heh...pushed it right through his... -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 19 08:45:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07044 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:45:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.26]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25554 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 01:43:27 -0700 Received: from czpwa - 204.32.196.91 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 May 2000 01:42:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bfc177$054c03c0$5bc420cc@czpwa> From: "Richard Reese" To: Cc: Subject: [freestyle] try to keep up, not keep it up! Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:45:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Rippin here, whats up? I just found an old vid from 1993 and was totally entertained. The circle had Kenny, Peter, Tim Kelly,Dimitri, and myself. Dimitri hit a symposium toe blizzard, Peter hit a TJ swing, Stikman hit a flux, Kenny hit Blurry paradox whirling swirl, actually, that happened a few years later in Portland. And I hit my first 3 four add moves in a row.....Blizzard,paradon,whirling swirl... The funniest thing is that we all were tilting and guilting in the middle of our combos, this was only 7 years ago. This sport is growing so fast that its going to be tough to keep up with all the NAMES for all the moves, what the hell is a wifebeater besides jailtime)? Kenny was the master of inventing names for moves and I think we need his help again. I find myself asking Eli and Dave what this move or that move is constantly, why, because it's hard to keep tabs on all those crazy-ass tricks, combos, moves, etc. Somebody please get ahold of Kenny, our founding father, and ask him what we should rename pixie, (because it really does need it), and ask him if he's got any other new names up his sleeve. Eric, you are the man, I was going to bail from singles comp this worlds, not because I'm nervous about getting up in front of a plethora of shredders, I mean freestylers, but because my old bones are very frail and I'd like to be able to bust out circle shred a little more this year. But, you have inspired me....... so people,don't be scared, the entry fee isn't that much,is it? Show all of us if you can hit your bread and butter (new move) in front of your fellow footbaggers. Shoe modification, let me think!......OK..... it's OK, always has been,always will. My partner has had more shoe and teva and shoe and teva mods than anybody,and I have to look down at all that stuff when we're skoolin' doubles , you think I like it, Who cares, if it helps a person play better and hence, have more fun, then more power to 'em. His latest, no tongue, at all, on the Laver Milleniums, and he's kicking awesome,as usual. Thanks to all who have stuck around to read all this gibberish. hasta lluego amigos. Rippin. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 19 08:46:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07055 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:46:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f22.hotmail.com [209.185.131.85]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA03526 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 06:44:47 -0700 Received: (qmail 5230 invoked by uid 0); 19 May 2000 13:44:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000519134422.5229.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 62.157.67.18 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2000 06:44:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [62.157.67.18] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] another 6ADDER Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:44:22 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Im seriously thinking im making footbag history here! >I was guiltless within 6 months too. Is that a record? LOL who cares ? i mean its great that you hit these big moves.... but dont overdo this boasting.... just my thoughts anyway, have fun, thats what its all about.. anyone working on a footbag shoe ?! :) fabian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 19 08:50:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07077 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:50:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA32597 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 05:21:57 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:22:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:22:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ernest Crvich wrote: > This isn't about what some people do, it's about > what we ALLOW people to do...anything, nothing, or somewhere in between? How now brown cow? It seems to me this sport is free so let's go shred this issue is dead Freestyle... FREE style... F-R-E-E......... "What we allow people to do..?!?!" Let everyone do whatever they want. Who cares? Let's drop this and talk about something else-- moves perhaps? Bob "Sorry to sound so grumpy" Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 19 13:18:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08031 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:18:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14465 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 11:44:07 -0700 Received: from [198.202.67.188] (198.202.67.188) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 19 May 2000 11:44:48 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BFC0F3.B15FE160@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:42:52 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric wrote .. . . > Perhaps there is an event missing... but that >should have no bearing on how many freestylers are willing to lay down a >routine. Maybe the lack of interest in practicing a routine has something to do with it. >Shred is just another term for freestyle. I'll prove it... Routine is another word for a habitual / mechanical presentation of a rehearsed series of moves set to music with choreography. I've seen them, and still have little interest in practicing one. > >Freestyle and shred go hand in hand. A shred competition simply tries to >revolve around difficulty exclusively. A routine competition integrates >style and difficulty... Both should be recognized and availiable. Both should be covered by a single entry fee . --Cameron From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 19 23:34:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10020 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 23:34:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mx2.magma.ca (mx2.magma.ca [206.191.0.250]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23788 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:49:19 -0700 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6.magma.ca [206.191.0.248]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18277 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 18:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave (port-2-228.magma.ca [206.191.63.228]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA26968 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 18:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000b01bfc1e4$4f38f3e0$0b01010a@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] try to keep up, not keep it up! Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:48:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Rippin' Wrote: >modification, let me think!......OK..... it's OK, always has been,always >will. My partner has had more shoe and teva and shoe and teva mods than >anybody,and I have to look down at all that stuff when we're skoolin' >doubles , you think I like it, Who cares, if it helps a person play better >and hence, have more fun, then more power to 'em. Well, I'm happy to see some of the gods of the sport have spoken on this subject. I still believe that extreme shoe mods could have a negative impact on the learning of the sport and on popular acceptance, but I agree that there is much more to the sport than just catching the bag. Pass the shoe goo! I have been playing footbag for over 2 years and I can't do clippers consistently on both sides, is this some kind of a record? I think I might be making history! :) I'm gonna go to Vancouver and compete in the beginner category. Bring it on beginners! Enough talk, I'm going to practice, Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 19 23:34:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10025 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 23:34:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24549 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:12:27 -0700 Received: from knuckles.excite.com ([199.172.148.179]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000519231203.RIET9044.bucky.excite.com@knuckles.excite.com> for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:12:03 -0700 Message-ID: <4794245.958777923880.JavaMail.imail@knuckles.excite.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:12:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Allan Haggett Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 24.66.172.251 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Eli wrote: > We are talking about glueing a lip on the > shoe, not adding a magnetic sleeve inside the toe > box, given a footbag filled with metal particles > be used. HAHA! I actually tell people that thats what I do when they ask how the hell I DO that.... Allan H. Victoria, BC PS Has anyone actually ever attempted this? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 19 23:37:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10043 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 May 2000 23:37:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2003.mail.yahoo.com (web2003.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04322 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 22:29:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 5071 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2000 05:29:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000520052923.5070.qmail@web2003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.207.3.98] by web2003.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 May 2000 22:29:23 PDT Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 22:29:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] new moves? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well, I just accidentally deleted my entire, concise response to all the hullabaloo on this topic. But you know what? It doesn't matter. We'll soon see if the names pixie and fairy will remain. It's been a trend for the so-called "elites" to lead the way to transformations. No, names don't have to be "hard-core". 'Flip flop' would be a cool name as would 'ground zero', but not 'Tinkerbell' and the like. It's not at all about destroyed egos or lowered testosterone levels. Footbag shred is not delicate and calm, therefore its moves should not reflect such properties. M.Cross: "The serious shredders have been using such terms for so long that trying to get them (and most of the newbies, for that matter) to change names or terminology is a lost cause." Need I remind you that until a year and a half ago Atomic and Nuclear were called reverse-miraging and paradox reverse-miraging? That was as deep-rooted as pixie and fairy. Nice try. Eli Piltz -serious shredder From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat May 20 17:41:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14128 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:41:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web3407.mail.yahoo.com (web3407.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA17466 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 06:31:01 -0700 Message-ID: <20000520133033.23501.qmail@web3407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.49.164.9] by web3407.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 20 May 2000 06:30:33 PDT Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 06:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Owen Parrish Subject: Re: [freestyle] another 6ADDER To: James Risden , freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Who cares if it's a record? This boasting is getting a tad outta control. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat May 20 17:42:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14140 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:42:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19212 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 07:47:42 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf0e0.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.129.192]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18921 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 10:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000520094345.00b62360@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 10:45:21 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] new moves? In-Reply-To: <20000520052923.5070.qmail@web2003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:29 PM 5/19/00 -0700, Eli Piltz wrote: > Need I remind you that until a year and a half >ago Atomic and Nuclear were called >reverse-miraging and paradox reverse-miraging? >That was as deep-rooted as pixie and fairy. Nice >try. But Eli dahling, Atomic and Nuclear are just shorthand names for the same thing (much the same way that Torque is the shorthand for miraging osis). That's not the case with the pixie/fairy rename that's been proposed...those names are already plenty short, descriptive, and well-known as-is...it's like changing Butterfly to Corpsegrinder. Your argument about tough/fast moves not having delicate names is well-taken, but are pixie and fairy sets really deserving of macho names? I mean, these moves/sets are rather diminutive, are they not? Fairy sets aren't all that "fiery" to me. ;^) But I know it's a lost cause to debate this anymore, so I'll instead offer some ideas for those committed to changing: Good equivalents of Pixie sets, IMHO: flipping, glancing, shifting, flicking, teasing. And of Fairy, in order as pairs for Pixie: flopping, grazing, dodging, popping, faking. The last in each list being somewhat conceptually similar to miraging, while the first in each list are for Seinfeld fans. None of them commit hubris. But I don't know if any are tuff enuff for you manly men. ;^) -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat May 20 17:44:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14184 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:44:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32197 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 15:22:21 -0700 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03223 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:22:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:22:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] gyro osis Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I propose that moves involving 2 spins of opposite direction that aren't "broken" by another element should get 1 body add instead of 2. This applies to gyro osis and gyro blender mainly. I think the 2 "spinning" elements are really 1 "lookback" element. There's a lot of things to consider, to determine which moves have two distinct spins and which ones are slurred together. It seems to me that marius has two spins while gyro blender (peeking swirl) has 1 lookback. I'd say gyro diving osis has 2 spins. I hit a move a couple days ago that was like a "gyro gyrage". In my opinion that would be 1 lookback. (Stating exactly what I mean by "broken" [in the first paragraph] is difficult.) questions? comments? arguments? I'm sure Derric will have something to say about this. -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 21 20:10:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21615 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:10:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14625 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:25:10 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000521072517.TPZQ20868.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:25:17 -0700 Message-ID: <39279042.C1FA6246@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 02:29:06 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] gyro osis References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Philip Summers wrote: > > I propose that moves involving 2 spins of opposite direction that aren't > "broken" by another element should get 1 body add instead of 2. This > applies to gyro osis and gyro blender mainly. I think the 2 "spinning" > elements are really 1 "lookback" element. > > questions? comments? arguments? > I'm sure Derric will have something to say about this. Well, since I was mentioned by name, I guess I'll respond. Actually, I don't care about difficulty or ADD values. Everyone knows how hard a trick is when they are doing it. What I care about is naming. I like one name for each move. There should never be two moves that share a name... With that said, I have to say that I like the subject of this message... gyro osis. What else describes a peeking osis so well? Gyro should be expanded to mean ALL spinning moves where the component after the spin is done on the near side. So, there *would* be a gyro toe stall, a gyro legover, a gyro clipper, a gyro osis, a gyro swirl, etc. If you really want to talk about this expansion of the definition of gyro, let me know. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 21 20:11:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21623 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:11:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f111.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.111]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA24068 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 05:18:40 -0700 Received: (qmail 13378 invoked by uid 0); 21 May 2000 12:18:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000521121819.13377.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 May 2000 05:18:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.17] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Dada and new move Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 05:18:18 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi list, A question: My dada curves are kind of funkey. Instead of jumping over the bag I sort of jup around it. That is, the first dex circles in front of the bag drifter like and then finish like normal. Actually I´ve seen a lot of people do dada curves that way. It´s the same basic move, but not, and a whole lot easier. My question is this, this move isn´t "the´d," both dexs are distinct, but it´s not really the same move. I personally think it should get a different name, but then it´s a very thin distinction to call. Anyone have any ideas? Also I started hitting paradox frigid torque (a whopping 3 adds) a while back, but couldn´t come up with a name for it. I propose it be called "supper human twisty thing" and blurry frigid torque "supper human blurry twisty thing" -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 21 20:15:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21654 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:15:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29891 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 09:13:37 -0700 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.7d.52caecb (9492) for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 12:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7d.52caecb.26596512@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 12:13:06 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Whirl Not Whirl To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Got Another Question, The other day I was practicing mirages but instead of ending on a toe I ended on a clipper. Heres what I did- CLIP> OP IN> OP CLIP And here is the job notations for a whirl SET > OP IN [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL That's looks about what I did, but it isn't. I've seen a million whirls from videos. I didn't do a whirl, I'm almost positive of that. I did a left clipper, then done the first dex (with my right leg) like any regular one, using the hips and my entire leg. I then planted the dex leg. I saw that I had time to do somthing else, but I just did a opposite clipper. Would this still be a whirl? -Evan "Feeling Like He Can't Describe Nothing" Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 21 20:22:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21688 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:22:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f253.hotmail.com [216.32.180.194]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16276 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:19:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 12002 invoked by uid 0); 22 May 2000 01:19:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000522011921.12001.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 154.5.59.56 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:19:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [154.5.59.56] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pixie Firefly Revisited and "Girly" names Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:19:21 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Okay, okay, so no one liked the name I proposed for pixie firefly, "Tinkerbell." So how about "Scorch?" Also, regarding the pixie/fairy name change debate, why don't we just simply have a 2nd set of names for ALL the pixie and fairy set moves. I mean pixie mirage is called "Smear," fairy mirage is "Fear," Pixie DLO is "Smog," etc. I mean, it's just a matter of time before everyone starts proposing names for pixie and fairy moves, like "feral" for instance. Plus, I prefer using short-term names anyway, as I'm sure most of us do. Just my thoughts, thanks for listening, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 21 20:24:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21700 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:24:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Alan Tai Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20409 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:02:48 -0700 Received: from Alantwm@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.46.5aa7f14 (9559) for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 23:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46.5aa7f14.2659fd3c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:02:20 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Millenium Laver Mods? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just got my new pair of Millenium Lavers from Feet.com. The lightness is great, much better than my old Lavers, but my inside kicks are much less consistent. After reading some old posts on adding shoe goo to the instep, I did that, but should I also fill in the ridges? I'm finding that kicks on the rubber instep just "die", and am suspecting that the ridges have an effect. Any other mods to this shoe people have done? Thanks :). alan --- Alan Tai | alantwm@aol.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 21 20:27:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21712 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:27:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f68.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06354 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:38:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 88480 invoked by uid 0); 21 May 2000 01:37:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000521013759.88479.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.189.152.11 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:37:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.11] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gloat and Lavers Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 21:37:59 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Instead of sitting back and reading all this shtuff, I thought I'd add my opinion: A good footbag player, like any other player in any other sport, SHOULD be good based on HIS talents, not that of his equipment. A player should have to adapt to his shoe, not his shoes adapt to him. Talent is what we're looking for here boys (and girls). Any compettitor walking into a tournament with hightly modified shoes, should naturally feel guilty that he does, no matter what anyone says, have the upper hand compared to a player who can bust the same shit, with barely modified shoes. I agree with Ryan (not only because he's insane, but because I really agree with him) stalls can always be easily improved, but dexterities, twists, and turns is what really makes the move. Your shoe makes little difference when busting a 3 or 4 DEX move.(sets and delays can be worked on. FINAL THOUGHT: People should be improving their game, not their shoes. word up :(SNAKEeYES): Mike Del Borrello From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 21 20:32:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21727 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:32:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21724 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:32:11 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21150 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:25:31 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20504 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <46.5aa7f14.2659fd3c@aol.com> References: <46.5aa7f14.2659fd3c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:25:32 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Millenium Laver Mods? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:02 PM -0400 5/21/00, Alan Tai wrote: >After reading some old posts on adding shoe goo to the instep, I >did that, but should I also fill in the ridges? I'm finding that kicks on >the rubber instep just "die", and am suspecting that the ridges have an >effect. I'm finding that if I just modify my sweet spot slightly things come out fine without any shoe-goo at all in the inside. But then again, I've got more crank than your average human. I really just think it's a matter of getting used to kicking in them, and things'll just normalize. The shoes seem to rock. Too bad they're supposedly no longer in production. If anyone finds a bunch of 7.5's (I normally wear 8, but these seem oversized) buy 'em for me. Thanks. >Any other mods to this shoe people have done? The normal stuff works on these and definitely helps -- mostly getting rid of the fabric on the inside of the shoe where the sweet spot is for inside and clipper delays. Fortunately, these shoes are styled differently, so you don't have to remove the arch support anymore to get the surface flush with the rubber of the sole. Steve P.S. Western Regionals is this coming weekend. Hold on to your socks. This is gonna rock. http://www.footbag.org/events/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 21 20:33:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21772 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:33:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f215.hotmail.com [216.32.181.215]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA31842 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 19:46:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 21616 invoked by uid 0); 20 May 2000 02:45:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000520024558.21615.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.193.169 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2000 19:45:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.193.169] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Spinning/Tilting/Guitling plus compliments ... Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 02:45:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, First of all I just have a question, and I do believe someone, if not many people here will be able to answer it. It concerns spins, when you are speaking about a titless/guiltless/tripless run. For the sake of simplicity, let me just explain this as it relates to a tiltless run. My question is, can a spin count as a tilt/guilt/trip, although it isn't a contact? In case I lost you, here's an example ... Say I had the run of: Atw> Mirage> Mirage> Single Spin> Mirage. My question is, that spin is a one add move, so would it count as a tilt or is it an exception when speaking about spins. Hope this makes sense ... Second thing I want to ask everyone is, I am sure you have all got some weird compliments/comments when you have been shredding, so I was just wondering if you could just tell everyone bout some of them. Here's mine: I was shredding in drama class (yes, we do this a lot!) And I started to hit a really good combo, then a girl in my class commented... "Hey Cole! Are you on speed or something!?!?!" She was amazed, and I guess you could call that a compliment. Anyway, I'm sure everyone else has better stories and this msg is way too long as it is, so I'm out ... Cole Hobson http://www.footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 21 20:41:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21801 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:41:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21798 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:41:01 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21481 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:34:21 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22188 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000520024558.21615.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000520024558.21615.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:34:19 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spinning/Tilting/Guitling plus compliments ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 2:45 AM +0000 5/20/00, Cole Hobson wrote: >can a spin count as a tilt/guilt/trip, although it isn't a contact? A spin is not a move. It's a component of a move. If you do a spinning move, it's one add more than a non-spinning version of the same move. Plain and simple. >In case I lost you, here's an example ... >Say I had the run of: Atw> Mirage> Mirage> Single Spin> Mirage. What system are you using? There's no move called "single spin". There are two away-spinning mirages: "gyrating mirage" and "spinning mirage" (which is paradox). Which are you referring to? Moves end in *contacts*. A move is not a move if it doesn't end in a contact. >spin is a one add move, No it's not. It's not a move. It's a move element. >"Hey Cole! Are you on speed or something!?!?!" Honestly, Cole, not all of us are interested in hearing how you get made fun of at school. We can just imagine. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 21 20:49:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21834 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:49:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21831 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:49:05 -0700 Received: from adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (mail@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.123.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21867 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:42:25 -0700 Received: from bfk by adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12tj6v-0005AI-00; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:42:33 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:42:33 -0700 From: "Brian F. Kimball" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spinning/Tilting/Guitling plus compliments ... Message-ID: <20000521204233.H19216@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> Mail-Followup-To: freestyle@footbag.org References: <20000520024558.21615.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000520024558.21615.qmail@hotmail.com>; from mccd2k@hotmail.com on Sat, May 20, 2000 at 02:45:58AM +0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Cole Hobson wrote: > Say I had the run of: Atw> Mirage> Mirage> Single Spin> Mirage. > > My question is, that spin is a one add move, [...] Spins are move components, not moves themselves (remember, moves end with a contact of some sort; spins don't involve contact). So asking if "Mirage> Single Spin> Mirage" is a tilt is a bit like asking if "Mirage> Dex> Mirage" is a tilt-- it doesn't quite make sense. > Second thing I want to ask everyone is, I am sure you have all got some > weird compliments/comments when you have been shredding, so I was just > wondering if you could just tell everyone bout some of them. I had two drunk guys that were so amazed by my "skills" that they felt it necessary to reward me with a pint of beer from a nearby posh restaurant. I think that qualifies as weird. > Anyway, I'm sure everyone else has better stories and this msg is way > too long as it is, so I'm out ... KEY WORDS: weird, better. In other words, I'm not interested in getting a barrage of messages describing how some person once said "whoa, that's neat" when s/he saw you shredding. :-) brian, sometimes-draconian list moderator From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 21 21:53:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22331 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:53:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA23526 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:42:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 619 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2000 04:42:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000522044259.618.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.56] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:42:59 PDT Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:42:59 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spinning/Tilting/Guitling plus compliments ... To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Steve Goldberg wrote: > There are two away-spinning mirages: "gyrating > mirage" and "spinning > mirage" (which is paradox). Which are you referring > to? Is it possible that these "spinning paradox" moves will ever get a paradox add? They should. Check it out. Marius=6 Spinning Dlo=5 Spinning Whirl=5 Spinning Drifter=5 (if this is even possible) Spinning Mirage=4 Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 21 22:04:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22510 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:04:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22507 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:04:54 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23889 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:58:14 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08864 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000522044259.618.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000522044259.618.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:58:12 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spinning/Tilting/Guitling plus compliments ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 9:42 PM -0700 5/21/00, James Risden wrote: >Is it possible that these "spinning paradox" moves >will ever get a paradox add? They should. Check it >out. Yes, they already do. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 21 22:35:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22933 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:35:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24398; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:20:40 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust122.tnt13.chi5.da.uu.net [63.22.170.122]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06332; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3928C3A5.B9C9C05@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 00:20:37 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Goldberg CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spinning/Tilting/Guitling plus compliments ... References: <20000522044259.618.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve Goldberg wrote: > At 9:42 PM -0700 5/21/00, James Risden wrote: > >Is it possible that these "spinning paradox" moves > >will ever get a paradox add? They should. Check it > >out. > > Yes, they already do. > > Steve News to me, last I heard this was being debated... but what do I know... is there any chance that the move list will ever be updated to reflect this... because now (as far as I can tell) none of those moves get credited a paradox add spinning mirage is listed as 3 marius 5 etc... someone clear this up for me. Thanx -TW From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 22 07:44:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24962 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 07:44:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f290.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.84]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA32107 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 03:12:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 42326 invoked by uid 0); 22 May 2000 10:11:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000522101150.42325.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2000 03:11:50 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.66] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spinning/Tilting/Guitling plus compliments ... Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 03:11:50 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve Goldberg wrote: >Yes, they already do. I thought this was still very much in debate. I would personally say that over simplified paradox is about dex windows, where as spining "paradox" moves are a matter of momentum. Try marius (sp?) then do spinning butterfly to torque, kinda the same feeling isn't it? Not to mention if these moves all start getting awarded an extra add spinning miraje, spinning whirl and a few others will get an undeserved extra add (like adds=difficulty anyway). Someone please try and tell me spinning whirl deserves to be 5 adds like blurry whirl, and spinning miraje 4 adds like gyro double leg over. Hmmm, not to mix topics, but I think it is time atomic moves started getting a paradox add. And this from a guy who thinks the whole system should be scraped anyway. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 22 14:40:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26728 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:40:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA18987 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:24:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 4825 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2000 18:24:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000522182456.4824.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.132] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:24:56 PDT Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:24:56 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spinning/Tilting/Guitling plus compliments ... To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Andrew McCargar > Someone please try and tell me spinning whirl > deserves to be 5 adds like > blurry whirl, I will, spinning whirl is 10 times harder than blurry whirl, but thats just me. > and spinning miraje 4 adds like gyro > double leg over. Now your talkin. Theres no way that spinning mirage and gyro dlo are in the same league. But I still think giving the "spinning paradox" another add would heal more than hurt. Once again look at moves like, spinning dlo, mairus, spinning drifter, these moves are nearly impossible! > Hmmm, not to mix topics, but I think it is time > atomic moves started getting > a paradox add. Say what? No way. Maybe Atom Smasher and similar moves like, atomic dlo (anyone hit this?), atomic drifter, atomic whirl. But if you change this, you have to do the same for pixie set. Smear, smog, smoke, pixie whirl. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 22 21:25:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28369 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:25:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web3405.mail.yahoo.com (web3405.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.59]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA01308 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 16:59:54 -0700 Message-ID: <20000522235928.15905.qmail@web3405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.49.164.9] by web3405.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 22 May 2000 16:59:28 PDT Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:59:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Owen Parrish Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Firefly Revisited and "Girly" names To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If you ask me about this name business. We have a governing body right? IFAB or IFC, I forget what it is now. Anyways...why don't we have them do something with setting-up consistent names if it's really that important. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 22 21:25:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28374 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:25:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02464 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 17:17:03 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 17:15:15 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC411.73E2E140@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Mon, 22 May 2000 17:16:22 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFC411.73E2E140@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:16:22 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Cameron wrote.. >Maybe the lack of interest in practicing a routine has something to do with >it. Okay... The question is... why has it changed so dramatically in recent years? The level of competition has gone up but the competitor count has gone down. More freestylers than ever before... and they are better than ever before. Yet less want to perform. Is it the competition itself or the level of it? >Routine is another word for a habitual / mechanical presentation of a >rehearsed series of moves set to music with choreography. I've seen them, >and still have little interest in practicing one. It is?... Did you look that one up? I've seen plenty of routines in Gymnastics that were never set to music. I've also seen plenty of footbag routines to music that were not a rehearsed series of moves. You can be as creative as you want... it's your style... >Both should be recognized and available. Both should be covered by a >single entry fee . That would be nice. However, Shred competitions are often only $5 to enter in order to promote participation. Make it the typical $50 or $75 to $100 for Worlds and I bet you'll see the participant count go down. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 22 21:25:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28389 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:25:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06072 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:25:51 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:24:05 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC41B.126A9840@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:25:14 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFC41B.126A9840@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Pixie Firefly Revisited and "Girly" names Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:25:12 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Okay, okay, so no one liked the name I proposed for pixie firefly, >"Tinkerbell." So how about "Scorch?" I thought it was a positively smashing name... Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 22 21:28:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28407 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:28:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06194 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:27:10 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:25:21 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC41B.3FC1F4A0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:26:30 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFC41B.3FC1F4A0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] Spinning Paradox In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:26:28 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve Goldberg wrote: >Yes, they already do. Oh boy... here we go... Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 22 21:29:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28418 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:29:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f20.hotmail.com [216.32.181.20]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA12804 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:13:13 -0700 Received: (qmail 18749 invoked by uid 0); 23 May 2000 04:12:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000523041249.18748.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.200.98.89 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:12:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.98.89] In-Reply-To: <7d.52caecb.26596512@aol.com> From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Whirl Not Whirl Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 00:12:49 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > SET > OP IN [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL >I then planted the dex leg. > -Evan "Feeling Like He Can't Describe Nothing" Edmondson that's a stepping clipper or as Derric will say a crispy whirl... Danny From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 22 22:17:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28614 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:17:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14153 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:56:50 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01388 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BFC411.73E2E140@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> References: <01BFC411.73E2E140@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:56:52 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 5:16 PM -0700 5/22/00, Eric Wulff wrote: >Okay... The question is... why has it changed so dramatically in recent >years? Wait a second. I'd first ask -- *has* it changed dramatically in recent years? I don't think it's changed much in absolute numbers. I think the *ratio* of advanced freestylers to competitors is lower, because there are so many more players who *could* compete but don't. But in absolute numbers, I don't think the number of competitors has changed appreciably in the last few years. >I've seen plenty of routines in Gymnastics that were never set to music. > I've also seen plenty of footbag routines to music that were not a >rehearsed series of moves. You can be as creative as you want... it's >your style... Good point. You newish-comers just need to learn that freestyle competition is a forum to present your skill to an audience in a spotlight and to help showcase the sport. If you can't handle that, don't compete. But honestly, don't feel constrained by the judging system. The competition is what *you* make of it. Honestly, tell me the routines performed by the top players aren't *the shiznit*. Give me a break, Cameron. Quite a lot of players have found a wonderful balance between extreme technicality (in the old days it was claimed nobody would ever risk stringing together more than a few guilt-free tricks in a competition because they'd risk a high drop count!) and presentation. The system is not flawed -- it's your interpretation of it that's flawed. Cameron wrote: > >Both should be recognized and available. Both should be covered by a > >single entry fee . "Should", hmmm. Interesting. Not that I don't welcome suggestions for my own tournaments, or for the IFC in terms of sanctioning events, but honestly, who exactly is this person who *should* do something? Tournaments take a lot of time, energy, and *money* to organize, promote, and run. Nothing is free, my friend. We have to focus when we put together events. Sure, a shred competition would be great. So would a lot of things. The reality is we either barely have time/money to run our current freestyle events, and people like you are just too afraid to do what folks like Ryan and Scott do by putting incredible shred-like difficulty into your routines. I know Ryan disagrees, but the proof is in the pudding. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 22 22:20:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28636 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:20:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13342 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:31:13 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust229.tnt12.chi5.da.uu.net [63.22.166.229]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04086; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <392A0989.59E19D6C@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:31:05 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Risden CC: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Atomic paradox discussion References: <20000522182456.4824.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Andrew McCargar wrote: > Hmmm, not to mix topics, but I think it is time > atomic moves started getting a paradox add. James said in reply: > Say what? No way. Maybe Atom Smasher and similar > moves like, atomic dlo (anyone hit this?), atomic > drifter, atomic whirl. But if you change this, you > have to do the same for pixie set. Smear, smog, > smoke, pixie whirl. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't alot of this be fixed by the X add?? -TW From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 22 22:31:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28690 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:31:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28687 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:31:34 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14894 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:24:49 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07377 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <392A0989.59E19D6C@earthlink.net> References: <20000522182456.4824.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> <392A0989.59E19D6C@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:24:51 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Atomic paradox discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:31 PM -0500 5/22/00, Tim Werner wrote: >Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't alot of this be fixed by the X >add?? For the 700th time on this list: The current add system is defunct. We just use it for lack of having a better system. I would much prefer to see people seriously propose new alternatives to the add system that capture the difficulty of moves we actually do today rather than see us continue to patch and staple together a system that's clearly out of date. But until that new system comes along, please folks, get over it. We just don't use adds that much in reality. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 23 00:21:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29121 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 00:21:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2002.mail.yahoo.com (web2002.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.202]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA16608 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 23:29:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 8091 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2000 06:29:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000523062950.8090.qmail@web2002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.99.35.193] by web2002.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 22 May 2000 23:29:50 PDT In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:29:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Millenium Laver Mods? To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve Goldberg wrote: > If anyone finds a bunch of 7.5's (I normally > wear 8, but these seemoversized) buy 'em for me. NO! Buy them for ME! :-) I'm not so sure they are out of production, but they are not being marketed for the spring/summer frenzy. They may in fact be reintroduced in the fall or possibly next year. Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 23 00:23:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29133 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 00:23:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com [207.46.181.19]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17434 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 00:08:00 -0700 Received: from czpwa - 204.32.149.92 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 May 2000 00:07:29 -0700 Message-ID: <00ad01bfc48e$35901b60$429520cc@czpwa> From: "Richard Reese" To: "Mickey Mayer" , Cc: References: <20000522011921.12001.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Firefly Revisited and "Girly" names Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:09:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Rippin here, look, pixie is ok by me, but fairy needs to go . Fiery has my vote,thanks Eli. I agree with Mickey, most of those moves are going to have their own names soon enough. Daryl, Paul, Sonny and I kicked this weekend and they all liked fiery as well , also, I did hit feral for the first time and called it that. Jamez, Spinning whirl is cake compared to blurry whirl, so if you can bust blurry whirl to all your other moves,than forget spinning whirl, for now. I happen to like the add system,Kenny did a pretty good job with this idea and I dont think there is as much controversy as some of you are letting on. Maybe the problem is most freestylers cant count adds, therefore becoming frustrated with the ADD system, so next time you watch video, count the damn adds, give 'em a chance! Later, RRR Mickey Mayer wrote: > Hey all, > > Okay, okay, so no one liked the name I proposed for pixie firefly, > "Tinkerbell." So how about "Scorch?" > > Also, regarding the pixie/fairy name change debate, why don't we just > simply have a 2nd set of names for ALL the pixie and fairy set moves. > I mean pixie mirage is called "Smear," fairy mirage is "Fear," Pixie > DLO is "Smog," etc. I mean, it's just a matter of time before > everyone starts proposing names for pixie and fairy moves, like > "feral" for instance. Plus, I prefer using short-term names anyway, as > I'm sure most of us do. > > Just my thoughts, thanks for listening, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 23 17:23:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00494 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:23:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18813 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:09:32 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust229.tnt12.chi5.da.uu.net [63.22.166.229]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17225; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <392A3CB3.4CC6C839@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 03:09:23 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Reese CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Firefly Revisited and "Girly" names References: <20000522011921.12001.qmail@hotmail.com> <00ad01bfc48e$35901b60$429520cc@czpwa> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Richard Reese wrote: > pixie is ok by me, but fairy needs to go . Fiery has my vote,thanks > Eli. I like fiery as a prefix but for the name of the actual move (toe > same out > op toe) is sounds very open ended, I guess you just call the base move a fiery toe.. alright whatever.... I don't know what I'm saying anymore : ) -TW From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 23 17:24:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00505 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:24:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA30019 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 07:23:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 27339 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2000 14:24:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000523142400.27337.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <00ad01bfc48e$35901b60$429520cc@czpwa> Received: from [63.14.88.103] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 May 2000 07:24:00 PDT Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:24:00 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Firefly Revisited and "Girly" names To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Richard Reese wrote: > Rippin here, look, pixie is ok by me, but fairy > needs to go . Fiery has > my vote,thanks Eli. Pixie is totally cool, but fiery is just as bad as fairy in my opinion. > Jamez, Spinning > whirl is cake compared to > blurry whirl, Yeah? Maybe, when your name is Rippin Rick Reese. For me its the other way around. Spinning whirl is VERY hard stuff. Does anyone think that scorpian's tail is cake compared to blurriest? Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 23 17:24:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00516 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:24:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31529 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 08:00:14 -0700 Received: from [198.202.67.60] (198.202.67.60) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 23 May 2000 08:00:54 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BFC411.73E2E140@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:00:29 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric wrote . . . > >Okay... The question is... why has it changed so dramatically in recent >years? The level of competition has gone up but the competitor count has >gone down. More freestylers than ever before... and they are better than >ever before. Yet less want to perform. Is it the competition itself or >the level of it? For me, i think it is more the level than the competition itself. It's not fun to practice a routine that has no chance of being competitive. I think competitions are good, and the format of the competition is fine. >That would be nice. However, Shred competitions are often only $5 to enter >in order to promote participation. Make it the typical $50 or $75 to $100 >for Worlds and I bet you'll see the participant count go down. Your right. But why should one be able to show up, and bypass the whole tournament entry fee ? Is shred not a discipline of footbag? If not, then i don't play footbag, but am instead a footbag spectator, playing some other sport with very similar equipment. Cameron From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 23 17:25:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00527 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:25:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA32145 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 08:17:45 -0700 Received: from [198.202.67.60] (198.202.67.60) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 23 May 2000 08:18:30 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01BFC411.73E2E140@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> <01BFC411.73E2E140@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:18:06 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve wrote . .. >there are so many more players who *could* compete but don't. And why do you think that is ? Cameron From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 23 17:33:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00657 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:33:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.bc.home.com (ha1.rdc2.bc.wave.home.com [24.2.10.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02331 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:58:01 -0700 Received: from yahoo.com ([24.67.226.235]) by mail.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20000523165808.DMHU3925.mail.rdc2.bc.home.com@yahoo.com> for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:58:08 -0700 Message-ID: <392AB86C.9BDD1646@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:57:16 -0700 From: Curtis Organization: yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] The Age Old Question (size) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does size matter??? What I mean by that, what is the average size of most of you pro's out there? I'm sure it helps being pretty small and to have a low center of mass. I'm just over 6"2, and I was wondering if big guys usually have a tougher time than little guys. Anyone want to add to that? Curtis From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 23 17:35:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00695 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:35:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00692 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:35:01 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02577 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:04:23 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16729 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 10:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01BFC411.73E2E140@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> <01BFC411.73E2E140@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:04:21 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 8:18 AM -0700 5/23/00, Cameron Kennedy wrote: > >there are so many more players who *could* compete but don't. > >And why do you think that is ? You're assuming a value judgment on my part. I don't think it's wrong that they don't compete. You should only compete if you subscribe to the philosophy I articulated in the previous message on this subject. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 23 19:39:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01364 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:39:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08454 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:53:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA79862 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:53:45 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunil Subhash Jani To: freestyle list Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Footbagging Friends: For a while now, people have been posting on competetion and routines. I would like to make a few points: Cameron Kennedy wrote: > For me, i think it is more the level than the competition itself. It's > not fun to practice a routine that has no chance of being competitive. I > think competitions are good, and the format of the competition is fine. I am really glad this came up. This kind of goes along with the thread a little while back about the need for an advanced category which falls between intermediate and open. 1. Just PRACTICE. No need for any new categories. More shredders should compete. I see too many people go out and try to perform a routine which they have not rehearsed much. Unless your name is Peter, Rippin, Kenny, Greg, Eric, et al. this approach will not work (this is what 10+ years of experience can get you). Trying to perform an unrehearsed routine is just going to crush your self confidence and make you even less motivated to compete the next time. If you practice a routine... you will be prepared to do well. If you do well, you will have fun and be motivated to do even better next time. If you happen to do poorly (but were well rehearsed), it will also motivate you to do better the next time (you are always learning from routines, and you know not to make the same mistakes the next time - you are more pumped to show everyone what you are capable of). Look at Ryan... he went from not competing, to intermediate champ, to World Finalist within two years. How did he do this? He didn't just skool shred... he skooled his butt off on his routine. He practiced and it paid off. If you feel Ryan is just superhuman and not a good example, ... look at me. I never competed at Worlds before last year. However, I put a huge amount of time and effort into skooling my routine, and I did well. It was fun. Just practice your routine and you give yourself that much more of a chance to do well and have fun. ***MOTIVATIONAL ASIDE***** (Everyone who plays freestyle knows that if you practice shred you improve at shred. I remember when I could not even do a toe stall and I saw freestylers who could do mirages, clippers, legovers, and around the worlds... I thought it would be impossible to learn... but sure enough... with practice... it now comes easy. I am just saying the same goes for routines, practice them and you will improve. I think you will find that they are fun to put together and to rehearse). *************************** 2. If you go to a tournament and party and jam, but don't compete, at least pay the base entry fee to support the tournament. As many have said, tournaments take time and money to put together (most tournaments lose money)... show your apprectiation to the organizers who are trying to promote the sport. Time to get back to shredding and skooling my routine. -Sunil S. Jani From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 23 19:40:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01379 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:40:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA08411 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:52:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 12493 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2000 18:52:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000523185256.12492.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <392AB86C.9BDD1646@yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.61] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:52:56 PDT Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:52:56 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Age Old Question (size) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Curtis wrote: > Does size matter??? What I mean by that, what is > the average size of > most of you pro's out there? I'm sure it helps > being pretty small and > to have a low center of mass. Footbag players are all different shapes and sizes. Chads tall, Reds big, Scotts buff, Elis hairy, and Ryan and Peter are short And they all kick ass! Size doesent effect your coolness, (if you shred, your cool) though it may effect the tricks you can hit. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 24 06:38:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03748 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 2000 06:38:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08181 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:48:36 -0700 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id z.31.5780b96 (14380) for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 14:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <31.5780b96.265c2c5f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:47:59 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Blur To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Everyone, I've been working on blur lately, and I need some basic tips. I do a left clipper, and then I jump while swinging my leg over it, but it usually hits the bag or it goes under it. So I can't even begin to do the second dex. Anyone got suggestions, tips, advice...etc.? -Evan "Skykicker" Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 24 06:48:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03796 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 2000 06:48:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1303.mail.yahoo.com (web1303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.153]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA09889 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 12:45:04 -0700 Received: (qmail 26477 invoked by uid 60001); 24 May 2000 00:57:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000524005746.26476.qmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20.614ab5a.2655b31a@aol.com> Received: from [63.78.45.113] by web1303.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:57:46 PDT Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: ERiC WiNDSoR Subject: Re: [freestyle] What IS Wifebeater? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Evan Edmondson wrote: > WHat is a wifebeater Wifebeater was a joke that I came up with when me and Big Add Chad were shredding one session. Let me see if I can get the Jobs notation. toe>op out>op out>op out>same toe Basically a triple egg beater. I was trying to think of a name with "beater" on the end. By the way, the move has never been hit, so if you do, you can name it whatever the hell you want. Later _ Wicked O /|\ o \\ _// ` P.S. Everybody make it to Westerns, one of the best tournaments in the universe!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 24 06:51:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03811 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 2000 06:51:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f94.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.94]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA11804 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:02:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 60763 invoked by uid 0); 24 May 2000 02:14:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000524021429.60762.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000523142400.27337.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from 152.163.213.56 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:14:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.56] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: cloudriz@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Firefly Revisited and "Girly" names Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:14:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Risden wrote: >--- Richard Reese wrote: > > > Jamez, Spinning > > whirl is cake compared to > > blurry whirl, > >Yeah? Maybe, when your name is Rippin Rick Reese. For >me its the other way around. Spinning whirl is VERY >hard stuff. >Does anyone think that scorpian's tail is cake >compared to blurriest? I think what Rippin is trying to say here jamez is that blurry whirl is an extremely hard move because it is so hard to link to other moves, going into (hitting it off of certain moves, etc.). You should explore the variations of blurry whirl combos first, good side and bad side, before you jump to another move like spinning whirl... shred is not about how many fives you have under belt. Rippin shows that by continuing to blow our mind with crazy 4>4 combos, 4>4>4 combos and 4>5 and 5>4 combos. What I'm trying to say is try busting your badside blurry whirl to a flurry...and explore the possibilities before you start attacking those other fives. Just my take on this subject. later on... ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 24 06:53:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03824 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 2000 06:53:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f171.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.171]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12246 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:20:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 23639 invoked by uid 0); 24 May 2000 02:32:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000524023249.23638.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <392AB86C.9BDD1646@yahoo.com> Received: from 199.174.104.89 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:32:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.174.104.89] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: fezzik.geo@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Age Old Question (size) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:32:49 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Somebody called Curtis asked: > >Does size matter??? What I mean by that, what is the average size of >most of you pro's out there? I'm sure it helps being pretty small and >to have a low center of mass. I'm just over 6"2, and I was wondering if >big guys usually have a tougher time than little guys. First of all, have your last name somewhere in your e-mail. This way people will know who you are when they meet you at a tournament. As for the size of a footbagger, I would have to say it doesn't matter at all. Sunil and Big Add Chad are over 6 feet, and they both shred like crazy. Tuan, Eric Wulff and Josh Penney are all around 5'6 or less, and they are also some of the best out there. Same goes for net I think, Manu is about 5'6 whereas Bob Lavigne is around 6'5. The windows on certain moves vary, but height doesn't really affect skill in this game. Shred on, CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 24 06:57:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03859 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 2000 06:57:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13258 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:59:24 -0700 Received: (qmail 25600 invoked by uid 60001); 24 May 2000 03:11:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000524031158.25599.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000524021429.60762.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from [63.16.83.30] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:11:58 PDT Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:11:58 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] spinning paradox To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Bryan Fournier wrote: > I think what Rippin is trying to say here jamez is > that blurry whirl is an extremely hard move because > it is so hard to link to other moves, going into > (hitting it off of certain moves, etc.). You should > explore the variations of blurry whirl combos first, > good side and bad side, before you jump to another > move like spinning whirl... I know what rippin' was trying to say. What im trying to say is, if you skool a move, it becomes easy. Ive explored the blurry whirl combos. BUT, I STILL CANT HIT WEAKSIDE SPINNING WHIRL. I find the move soooo incredibly difficult its not even funny. There is no possible way (at this point) I could seal a spinning whirl with anything but butterfly or osis. Which is why i said "yeah if your name is rippin', spinning whirl is cake!". Its not that I cant spin, its just that the move is really paradox. THIS MOVE DESERVES 5 ADDS. No doubt about it. I think this would make a really neat poll on footbag.org. Whatdoyall think? Later, Jamez P.S. I like Fakie to replace fairy. Fakie Butterfly Fakie Drifter Fakie Whirl Sounds cool ey? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 24 07:08:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03956 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:08:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.bc.home.com (ha1.rdc2.bc.wave.home.com [24.2.10.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15031 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:31:02 -0700 Received: from yahoo.com ([24.67.226.235]) by mail.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20000524044345.FBPI3925.mail.rdc2.bc.home.com@yahoo.com> for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:43:45 -0700 Message-ID: <392B5DC8.9838C0E8@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000524023249.23638.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:42:48 -0700 From: Curtis Vogt Organization: yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] my name is Curtis Vogt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A thousand appologies to everyone on this list for not having my last name on my email identity. I didn't realize it wasn't on there. My name is Curtis Vogt, and I am from Kelowna BC, Canada.... happy??? :) Curtis VOGT From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 24 07:09:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03973 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:09:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16370 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:20:15 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:31:03 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC50F.03D5FC80@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:31:26 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFC50F.03D5FC80@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:31:25 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Studies show... even minimal freestyle routine work combined with performance experience dramatically improves shred Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 24 07:17:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04031 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:17:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10704 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 13:15:56 -0700 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id z.77.47aa29c (6097) for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <77.47aa29c.265c8a25@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:28:05 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Milleniums To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Does anyone happen to know where i can get a pair of millenium lavers besides feet.com(they're out) Thanks, Adam From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 24 07:20:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04067 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:20:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.bc.home.com (ha1.rdc2.bc.wave.home.com [24.2.10.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07594 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 11:27:51 -0700 Received: from yahoo.com ([24.67.226.235]) by mail.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20000523234030.TWKB3925.mail.rdc2.bc.home.com@yahoo.com> for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 16:40:30 -0700 Message-ID: <392B16B8.1DF4FA04@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:39:36 -0700 From: Curtis Vogt Organization: yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Kelowna Shred??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Me and a few buddies of mine started up a club last summer, the KFC (Kelowna Footbag Club), and we were doing some thinking. You see, footbag isn't very popular in Kelowna (it's in BC, Canada by the way) yet when people see us shreddin, they all think it's pretty cool. So anyways, we were thinking, and we thought it would be a great idea to hold some sort of "demo day" here in town, just to familiarize people with the sport and get them interested. If we did hold a day or weekend like this, it would probably be next summer or something. What I was wondering is, is there anyone in the BC or Alberta area (or anywhere else) who would come down and join us??? Kelowna really needs to be introduced to the sport, and we could use your help! Curtis Vogt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 24 07:49:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04194 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:49:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16643 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:41:18 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.202.227]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FV10083YXSZQ5@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:53:20 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Age Old Question (size) To: Curtis , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <002401bfc54c$bf770d20$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 References: <392AB86C.9BDD1646@yahoo.com> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Chad D is around 6'5" but he is also a lean mean fighting machine. I am 6'3" but 205 lbs.I sometimes find myself sore from playing. My ankles that is. Anyway, it's not an obstacle that I can't overcome and neither is it for you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curtis" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 9:57 AM Subject: [freestyle] The Age Old Question (size) > Does size matter??? What I mean by that, what is the average size of > most of you pro's out there? I'm sure it helps being pretty small and > to have a low center of mass. I'm just over 6"2, and I was wondering if > big guys usually have a tougher time than little guys. Anyone want to > add to that? > > Curtis > > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 24 15:41:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05484 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:41:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20489 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 23:54:54 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:07:37 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <392B16B8.1DF4FA04@yahoo.com> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'Curtis Vogt'" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Kelowna Shred??? Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:07:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Curtis Vogt wrote: > So anyways, we were thinking, and we thought it would be a great idea > to hold some sort of "demo day" here in town, just to familiarize > people with the sport and get them interested. If we did hold a day > or weekend like this, it would probably be next summer or something. Why wait? Sounds like you have the makings for a demo day already-- this only requires players, and an audience. You can always do something bigger and badder next year, but it wouldn't be a bad idea at all to just put some flyers up, call the local paper, and get as many people together as possible to shred all day on a saturday. When you're shredding, maybe put up a poster or something similar nearby, and list on that poster things like the web address, contact names in the area, what exactly this crazy sport is that you're playing.. Go for it!! Sounds like you could pull it off without much effort, and do something even bigger next year! The worst that will happen, is noone will show up to watch, and you'll have a great time shredding anyway. Later on. bob riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 04:49:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08736 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 04:49:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f190.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.190]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA08050 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:27:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 42717 invoked by uid 0); 24 May 2000 22:40:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000524224005.42716.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <392AB86C.9BDD1646@yahoo.com> Received: from 209.161.42.58 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:40:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.161.42.58] From: "jim penske" To: fezzik.geo@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Age Old Question (size) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:40:05 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i dont think it matters much. im 5 foot and my friend is 5 10. We both hack it pretty hard >From: Curtis >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] The Age Old Question (size) >Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:57:16 -0700 > >Does size matter??? What I mean by that, what is the average size of >most of you pro's out there? I'm sure it helps being pretty small and >to have a low center of mass. I'm just over 6"2, and I was wondering if >big guys usually have a tougher time than little guys. Anyone want to >add to that? > >Curtis From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 04:48:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08720 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 04:48:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06012 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:35:36 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:46:29 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC58E.E717FC80@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:46:54 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFC58E.E717FC80@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:46:52 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve said... >Wait a second. I'd first ask -- *has* it changed dramatically in >recent years? I don't think it's changed much in absolute numbers. I >think the *ratio* of advanced freestylers to competitors is lower, >because there are so many more players who *could* compete but don't. >But in absolute numbers, I don't think the number of competitors has >changed appreciably in the last few years. This is a good point... However, the pools seemed either especially small last year or their were few of them. If I remember correctly... to go to the finals you had to finish in the top 4 in your pool of eight in the semis. Prior to last year you generally had to finish in the top 2 in your pool of 5 or 6. The difference... between 20 to 24 semifinalist vs. 16... significant in my opinion. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 04:53:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08771 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 04:53:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c392116-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.7.91.61]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09691 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008501bfc5d7$9431dec0$1600a8c0@hysterical.net> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: <200005241950.MAA04853@list.footbag.org> Subject: Re: [freestyle] spinning paradox Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:27:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Wrote: > THIS MOVE [spinning whirl] DESERVES 5 ADDS. No doubt about it. Why do people insist on getting completely fixated on adds? As Steve and countless others have said, the add system is outdated and has many flaws. It is good to have the current add system as some indication of how hard a trick is but it does not need to be adhered to so strictly. Everyone knows that spinning whirl is a hard move so do it, link it, seal it, and collect your props. There is no reason to wine about an add here or there unless you just happen to be one of the few individuals who compete at tournaments (the only place where the add system is needed). Even in a tournament no one avoids clapping for a spinning whirl just because it is four adds, they know it's hard, everyone does. > P.S. I like Fakie to replace fairy. > Fakie Butterfly > Fakie Drifter > Fakie Whirl > Sounds cool ey? In the past year I have seen this list focus heavily on naming tricks and coming up with move names that sound "cool". The tricks themselves are always the same, the names are irrelevant. Do the tricks, do them well, and practice your freestyle rather than your hip vocabulary skills. Personally I get lost amongst all the name changes and revert to calling moves names that actually tell me what the move is. Bryan Fournier said it best when he described these nomenclature discussions as the hyper-activity of "word nerds". P.S. A good place to actually do tricks rather than talk about them is at a tournament, there is one this weekend in fact....Western's. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 04:56:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08801 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 04:56:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f89.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.89]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA14892 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:11:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 97941 invoked by uid 0); 25 May 2000 02:23:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000525022344.97940.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.189.152.11 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 May 2000 19:23:44 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.11] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] adidas "stan smith" shoes Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:23:44 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just went out and got myself a pair of Adidas "Stan Smith" tennis shoes. Now, I've never tried nor seen Lavers in real life, so I'm not saying that they're not the best, they probably are, but the Stan Smith in my opinion, is the best freestyle shoe that I've ever come across. So If you are killing yourself and others just to get Lavers, you should definatly try the Stan Smiths. "must have no life" Mike D A.K.A. :(SNAKEeYES): From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 05:00:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08835 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 05:00:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08832 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 05:00:20 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17924 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:17:04 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03145 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BFC58E.E717FC80@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> References: <01BFC58E.E717FC80@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:29:38 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 2:46 PM -0700 5/24/00, Eric Wulff wrote: >However, the pools seemed either especially small >last year or their were few of them. An important thing you may not realize (I keep forgetting) is that there was no intermediate category until a few years ago. So, for that reason, the open pools have shrunk in size because fewer people feel safe going open. There is definitely an issue of intermediates who sandbag when they should go open. But the *total* number of intermediate and pro freestylers at Worlds has been essentially constant for the last 10 years. At least, that's what I think. I may be wrong. :-) June 6th, right, Eric? Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 05:01:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08849 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 05:01:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17299 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:59:27 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:10:11 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC5C4.81FA7540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:10:37 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFC5C4.81FA7540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: <20000522235928.15905.qmail@web3405.mail.yahoo.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Firefly Revisited and "Girly" names Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:10:36 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org the Total Package... >Anyways...why don't we have them do something >with setting-up consistent names if it's really that >important. cause it's not... Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 05:02:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08861 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 05:02:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08858 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 05:02:10 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17962 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:18:54 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03915 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000525022344.97940.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000525022344.97940.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:32:03 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] adidas "stan smith" shoes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:23 PM -0400 5/24/00, Mike Del Borrello wrote: >So If you are killing yourself and others just to get Lavers, you >should definatly try the Stan Smiths. Lavers are easy to get. Don't settle for anything else. It is well known among freestylers that the Stan Smiths are the exact same design as the Rod Laver. The difference is primarily in the material -- the Laver is made of mesh, where the Smith is made of leather (I think). Mesh is pliable and better for stalling. But what do I know? Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 05:02:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08872 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 05:02:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17572 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:05:56 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:16:49 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC5C5.6F43B280@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:17:15 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFC5C5.6F43B280@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: <392A0989.59E19D6C@earthlink.net> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Atomic paradox discussion Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:17:14 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org TW... >Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't alot of this be fixed by the X >add?? Wow!... where'd that come from?! and actually... it would. For the record, I submitted a totally wordy and completely geekatized official proposal to the IFC in November regarding the X add. I got prelim responses from everyone but haven't been able to follow up. Of course everyone on the IFC is incredibly busy and I imagine an add system change is not exactly top priority on their list of footbag chores. This doesn't mean it won't get done... just that it may take forever. That's really not that long though... Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 05:03:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08904 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 05:03:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17824 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:12:18 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:23:11 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC5C6.53A54600@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:23:38 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFC5C6.53A54600@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: <00ad01bfc48e$35901b60$429520cc@czpwa> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Firefly Revisited and "Girly" names Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:23:37 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Rippin... >I happen to like the add system,Kenny did a pretty good job with this idea >and I dont think there is as much controversy as some of you are letting >on. Rock On! The ADD system is not that far off and if any new system should be introduced to replace it... it should be the good ole... "Shit... that was frickin hard!" system! Rating difficulty exactly & accurately... how do you rate a matter of opinion exactly?! Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 05:05:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08923 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 05:05:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18013 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:20:12 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:31:05 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC5C7.6E244DE0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:31:32 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFC5C7.6E244DE0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:31:31 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Cameron... >For me, i think it is more the level than the competition itself. It's not fun to >practice a routine that has no chance of being competitive. Duuhuhuude!? C'mon biff? You may speak for many out there so this is not just to Cameron. Bring it on... please... any and all... make it hard for the judges... make it more difficult from the bottom to the top of the competition ranks. It will make you a better shredder and styler if you want it to. Bottom line is... you're competing already... you're just in denial and calling it shred in a circle. All of footbag needs you baby... Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 06:54:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09240 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 06:54:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.hmhs.com (firewall-user@smtp.hmhs.com [38.233.72.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19828 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:55:32 -0700 Received: by smtp.hmhs.com; id BAA15950; Thu, 25 May 2000 01:08:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(167.99.69.118) by smtp.hmhs.com via smap (4.1) id xma015948; Thu, 25 May 00 01:08:11 -0500 Received: by SVARLEXC05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 25 May 2000 01:03:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Wilson, Mike" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] trouble sleeping Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:02:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sometimes, when I've been hackin' alot, I have trouble falling asleep. I will be just on the verge of dreamland, when I wake myself up with a violent leg spasm. I think it's because I'm thinking about hack when I drift off. Does this happen to anybody else, or am I just a weirdo? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 16:44:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11169 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:44:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29222 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 02:46:58 -0700 Received: from sympatico.ca (ppp9908.qc.bellglobal.com [206.172.154.61]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02183 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392D402C.C6ABA99F@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:01:01 -0400 From: Sebastien Duchesne Reply-To: sg.duchesne@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle Subject: [freestyle] help me out ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hi freestylers, this is a pleasure to announce that I'm going to the western regionals, I'm from montreal and I need a ride from the San Francisco airport to Brent&Jody's players party. I'll be at the SFO airport at 17h, May 26th. So if anyone can help me out, please email-me directly, not to the list! we'll see ya all this week-end bye Sebastien Duchesne. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 16:53:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11274 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:53:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f9.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA26540 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 01:01:58 -0700 Received: (qmail 65002 invoked by uid 0); 25 May 2000 13:14:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000525131408.65001.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from 63.29.0.6 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 May 2000 06:14:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.29.0.6] From: "Zeke Ibardaloza" To: MikeWilson@hmhs.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] trouble sleeping Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:14:08 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wilson, Mike wrote: >Sometimes, when I've been hackin' alot, I have trouble falling asleep. >I will be just on the verge of dreamland, when I wake myself up with a >violent leg spasm. I think it's because I'm thinking about hack when I >drift off. W'sup, I couldnt help but laugh my ass off on this one! :) I do this too and Im pretty sure Its cuz I was dreaming of some move I was close to hitting. It almost always happens to me after a particularly long shred session. Sometimes though, I fall asleep on the train on the way to school and that leg spasm happens when the train is completetly packed. Kinda embarrasing... >...or am I just a weirdo? ...hhmmm, I think I'll refrain from this one :) ... Later, ZEKE From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 16:54:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11285 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:54:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from davisbrody.com (mail.davisbrody.com [205.253.194.181]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28119 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 02:11:59 -0700 Received: from davisbrody.com [209.73.237.244] by davisbrody.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.04) id A478BC8B0280; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:11:04 EDT Message-ID: <392D3651.660FBE75@davisbrody.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:18:57 -0400 From: Bruce Dole X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] trouble sleeping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Wilson, Mike" wrote: > Sometimes, when I've been hackin' alot, I have trouble falling asleep. I > will be just on the verge of dreamland, when I wake myself up with a violent > leg spasm. I think it's because I'm thinking about hack when I drift off. > Does this happen to anybody else, or am I just a weirdo? Hey Mike, Yeah, I get that too.. .sometimes I can't fall asleep for four or five hours if I've played a lot during the day. There's this thing called Restless Leg Disorder (RLS) which they say is caused by stress, but I've heard that excessive exercise can cause it also. Check out drkoop.com and see if you match any of the other symptoms. It's not serious or anything, just a pain in the butt. Stretching seems to help, both before and after exercise, and before you fall asleep at night. Hope that helps, Bruce From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 16:55:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11298 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:55:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f232.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.232]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA30271 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 03:26:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 1897 invoked by uid 0); 25 May 2000 15:39:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000525153903.1896.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from 216.44.107.129 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 May 2000 08:39:03 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.129] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: MikeWilson@hmhs.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] trouble sleeping Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:39:03 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org dude, make sure you STRETCH after a strenuous session and before you go to sleep! it happens to *everyone* (not just footbaggers), i forgot what the "scientific" name for these spasms is. usually they aren't very "violent" and you might not even notice them. it has nothing to do with you thinking about kicking. (i don't think) stretch! Stan p.s. oh, and stretch! >From: "Wilson, Mike" >To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" >Subject: [freestyle] trouble sleeping >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:02:56 -0500 > >Sometimes, when I've been hackin' alot, I have trouble falling asleep. I >will be just on the verge of dreamland, when I wake myself up with a >violent >leg spasm. I think it's because I'm thinking about hack when I drift off. >Does this happen to anybody else, or am I just a weirdo? > > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 16:56:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11319 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:56:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA31570 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 04:09:35 -0700 Received: from [198.202.67.188] (198.202.67.188) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 25 May 2000 09:22:47 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BFC5C7.6E244DE0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:20:53 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric wrote: >Cameron... You may speak for many out there. I don't, I speak only for myself. > It [a routine] will make you a better shredder and styler if you want it to. I agree completely. So does playing with the bag in the park, and having fun with the bag. I still work a routine, i like the way it adds length to runs, and flow to combos. I have recieved great advice that your shred needs to be your routine, but i still keep the two seperated. I prefer to work choreography with easier moves for routine, but i do it for me, with no intent of ever performing it. I do it alone in a deserted warehouse at work, no one needs to know. I think if shred was an event, then i could alter my mindset to see routines as another form of fun . . . more like just showing what i can do, like a demo, rather than a competition. I don't ever expect to be able to compete competitively in routines, and I agree if your thinking " then you won't be able to compete competitively." I do think i can get my shred to a competitive level, and i would prefer to see that as my event, and routines as fun, pure fun without presure to be competitive in them. later, Cameron From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 17:35:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11676 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:35:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA00891 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 04:40:28 -0700 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11958 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:53:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:53:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] symp. barrage Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was practicing barrage and symposium mirage today, and I thought- symposium barrage... why not? well, it's REALLY hard (so I think it deserves a paradox add, hehehe only kidding). seriously, can anyone hit symposium barrage? I got close a couple of times, got past the dexes and choked on the landing. -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 17:38:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11718 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:38:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32430 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 04:22:06 -0700 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id s.64.3117eb8 (7776); Thu, 25 May 2000 12:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64.3117eb8.265eaff0@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:33:52 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] trouble sleeping To: MikeWilson@hmhs.com CC: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Mike wrote >Does this happen to anybody else, or am I just a weirdo? I think your just a weirdo :) Later, Adam From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 18:31:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11975 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:31:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03071 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 05:28:58 -0700 Received: from knuckles.excite.com ([199.172.148.179]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000525174141.PCX3980.ewey.excite.com@knuckles.excite.com> for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:41:41 -0700 Message-ID: <12778419.959276501395.JavaMail.imail@knuckles.excite.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:41:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Allan Haggett Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Twirl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 24.66.172.251 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ello everyone!, First of all I would like to say that I agree with Mr.Reese and others about the add system not being as bad as some people would make it out to be. Mr. Mulroney is right on about it being adhered to too strictly... its been said many times before, but repetition seems to be the only thing that works in todays society... Adds are NOT a measure of difficulty. They measure the # of predefined components within a move. That' all. It's a neat *coincidence* that in the lower add categories(1,2,3 add moves) that *most* moves line up with their add value with their apparent difficulty which makes it appear as though Adds=Difficulty. But I digress.... now to why I'm actually posting: I'm *still* not clear about Twirl.... I've posted this question before and been effectively ignored so I figure if at first I don't succeed..... Ironically enough, I'm curious as to the add value of Twirl. For example: say I were to perform a butterfly ending in a right clipper, then do a swirl but bail to an *opposite* osis. My understanding would be that this is a 4 add move as the x-body add is negated because the butterfly gets it(dex>body>x-body>delay). However, what if I were to set from the left clipper, perform the swirl dex with my right leg and bail to opp. osis. Question being: wouldn't this be 5adds because of the x-body element? Set from a left clipper a swirl done on the right side is 3adds(dex>x-body>delay). Take the delay add away and tack on the 3 for the osis and it's 5(dex>x-body[swirl]>body>x-body>delay[osis]) 5, right? Shit, am I even calling this the right name??? Someone please clarify this for me:) Allan Haggett PS Good luck to all going to Western Regionals.... I wish I could go, but I have to wait for Worlds:( PSS If my understanding of Twirl is correct, then butterfly twirl is 6 and stepping opp. buttefly Twirl(Blurry Twirl?) is 7... I hit this on video yesterday and will post it somewhere if I get any response to this.... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 18:50:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12021 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:50:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ux4.isu.edu (mta@ux4.isu.edu [134.50.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04401 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 05:49:44 -0700 Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.103.12]) by ux4.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA628; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:02:04 -0600 Message-ID: <392D6BD5.B79A241A@isu.edu> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:07:17 -0600 From: Bob Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cameron Kennedy , "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey freestylers, Cameron said: > I don't ever expect to be able to compete competitively > in routines... I say: I have heard this comment from people quite a bit. I've also heard a lot of discussion by people who don't want to compete pro because they are "not ready yet", and don't want to compete intermediate because they would be sandbagging. My first question: What does it mean to be competitive? Does a person have to go to the finals as a pro to be competitive?......If a person competes pro and gets last place, that person is in the top 30 or so for that years Worlds. That isn't competitive????? My second question: What does it mean to "be ready" to be a pro? A person who is too good to compete intermediate can definately put on a high quality routine. If someone tops out as an intermediate, it may be time for that person to move on....even if that means getting last place for a while. The person who puts on a great routine as a pro and still get last place because they did not wait until they were "competitive" or "ready" has still helped to further and promote the sport. The same goes for intermediates. You don't have to have all the skills in the world to put on a decent routine. Even if it isn't that complex, you can still show your style. So regardless of skill, I encourage everyone to get their buts out there and start practicing a routine. My opinion, Bob Green From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 20:47:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12457 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 20:47:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07655 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:25:28 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:38:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] attitude and freestyle don't always mix Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:38:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi- Why the terrible attitudes on the list these days? People shooting down other people's comments or ideas, being downright rude in some instances, bragging, asking pointless questions (like this one?).. I need not give details-- I'm sure most of you have noticed the attitude. Why is it that a list made to help people interested in freestyle learn more about freestyle has to be all these things? The list is ugly at times, and if I weren't used to it, I would unsubscribe after one week of listening to all the things mentioned above. Can't we just all get over it (whatever "it" is) and teach each other what we know without egos involved? Bob "Somewhat scared to sign my name to this email" Riefer PS- To start us out on something list related...... So, who has a good method of learning to spin in the weak direction? I tried to copy my "strong spin" (clockwise for me), and so far this isn't helping. Any often used "spinning drills" if there is such a thing? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 20:49:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12469 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 20:49:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07453 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:17:40 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:30:21 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <392D6BD5.B79A241A@isu.edu> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:30:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bob Green wrote: > I've also heard a lot of discussion by people who don't want to > compete pro because they are "not ready yet", and don't want to > compete intermediate because they would be sandbagging. Hi- I am guilty of being one of those people that has expresed the above sentiments. My problem is that while not all that crazy when it comes to shred, routines have never really made me nervous. At the intermediate level, I cannot remember ever having finished lower than third place (other than worlds 98-- 7th place there). In other words, while I have not had a problem coreographing a routine, focusing on those routines has slowed down my shredding progress-- although I firmly believe that as a novice, and in the future as an open player, routines will help your shred, for me there is a time (right now for me) when routine work is not productive to learning more moves etc. When practicing a routine, I focus on moves that I can hit, and make them smooth for the competition etc. When I shred, I'll try anything over and over again until I hit it. Only since I decided to take a break from competition, have I had a chance (with time restrictions such as work, and other hobbies, friends etc.) to seriously concentrate on shredding. Now, that my skills are improving I see a day in the near future when I will be to the point skillwise where learning new tricks will not be such an harduous task as it is now. When I get to that point, I will compete routines, and shred. So, here's the old "glass ceiling" analogy. For me, there have been a few. First, came things like the toe stall and being able to kick consecutively for long stretches under control... Then there was the butterfly stall phase.. Then there was (for me at least) that moment of "SH*T!! Forgot to learn my weak side on every single move that I can do.." phase... Now, I'm at that I can do almost all of the basics well, and have some harder stuff on the way, but still am having alot of trouble with a bunch of the hard stuff phase... I think this last glass ceiling may be the hardest to break, and for me, until it's broken, routines are not on the horizon. Can anybody relate to this? I think a lot of people want to concentrate on shred until the last "glass ceiling" that I mentioned (the one where all the sudden, you really rock, and when you try new moves for the first time, you actually come close alot of the times right off the bat.. A hard to explain ceiling, but I think you know what I mean) is broken, before competing at the open level. For some people, breaking that glass ceiling is not so tough, and happens quickly like the breaking of some of the earlier ceilings happened for me. But for others, it may take longer for them to feel that this ceiling is broken, and therefore they might not compete. Whew! That was way too wordy!! Sorry ;) Bombard and criticize away!!! Rob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 20:51:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12496 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 20:51:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03048 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 05:28:21 -0700 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id z.78.5bcbaae (3956) for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <78.5bcbaae.265ebf8b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:40:27 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] trouble sleeping To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Mike, Do you stretch before you hack? If you stretch before you hack hard you will not have muscle spasms later. -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 21:47:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12766 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 21:47:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10543 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 08:58:44 -0700 Received: from knuckles.excite.com ([199.172.148.179]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000525211103.BVVI9570.kuku.excite.com@knuckles.excite.com> for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:11:03 -0700 Message-ID: <18557560.959289063553.JavaMail.imail@knuckles.excite.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:11:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Allan Haggett Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 24.66.172.251 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi again, While I was in the mood for posting to the discussion..... I compete against gravity when I play. That's it. I am NOT competitive with people in any circle. I derive inspiration and drive from those around me and feed off of the energy that is created. I'm not trying to be better than the next person. I'm not trying to 'defeat' anyone. From my extremely limited exposure to the realm of footbag competition I think I can say *most* people feel this too, whether they 'compete' or not. The rest is all politics. Allan Haggett From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 25 22:40:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12935 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 25 May 2000 22:40:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12932 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 22:40:12 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12332 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 09:56:52 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08103 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:09:28 -0700 To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] attitude and freestyle don't always mix Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 3:38 PM -0400 5/25/00, Riefer, Robert wrote: >Why the terrible attitudes on the list these days? E-mail lists are always like this. Maybe you should join more and you'll see this one is actually quite tame. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 26 00:07:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13323 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 2000 00:07:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14146 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:55:07 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:06:00 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC663.2A4B40A0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:06:20 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFC663.2A4B40A0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Who is competing at worlds?... Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:06:13 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve... >An important thing you may not realize (I keep forgetting) is that >there was no intermediate category until a few years ago. So true... and it did influence my thinking regarding... but the numbers overall have definitely gone down in the last 10 years. There used to be upwards of 100 freestylers competing in singles open. Maybe there was 50 last year in both categories combined? Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 26 00:09:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13339 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 26 May 2000 00:09:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ux4.isu.edu (mta@ux4.isu.edu [134.50.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12539 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:05:36 -0700 Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.103.12]) by ux4.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA2D61 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:18:16 -0600 Message-ID: <392DA7E2.36A1A386@isu.edu> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:23:30 -0600 From: Bob Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: [freestyle] 2000 Southeast Idaho Footbag Championships Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Footbaggers, The Idaho State University Footbag Club and Old Town Pocatello proudly present the 2000 Southeast Idaho Footbag Championships. This event is going on in conjunction with the "Hot Time in Old Town" Pocatello Street Festival on July 15th. The primary events are freestyle and five-minute timed consecutives. Though this is a freestyle list, I will still mention the large, flat grass area next to the site available for any net players who are coming into town and are willing to bring a net (I do not own one). There is no official net competition, but the more public exposure to the sport the better. Other festivities include food and beer vendors, a small carnival, and plenty of other stuff. I am currently working on sponsors for prizes, and will post another message when I know more about what will be offered. Despite popular opinion, Pocatello does have quite a few things to do. To see what some of them are, check out the Chamber of Commerce Web Page: http://www.pocatelloidaho.com/chamber/chamber.html I have room for a few people to c