From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 07:24:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16690 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 07:24:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f236.hotmail.com [209.185.130.201]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA15218 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 06:12:04 -0700 Received: (qmail 52440 invoked by uid 0); 1 May 2000 13:11:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000501131136.52439.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.225.147.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 May 2000 06:11:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [149.225.147.73] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: practice, knees Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:11:36 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I just wanted to know how long people practice for at one time, and if >anyone has any knee problems. yes i had serious knee problems (miniscus) due to too much training. my advice for you is, dont overdo it. footbag is a great sport, but dont practice double around the world or pixie sets all day (like i unfortenately did). and NEVER play when it your knee hurts. and you should also consider some sort of warmup. basic kicks perhaps,other ideas would be interesting for me as well. i wouldnt have had any problems if i knew that before :) nowadays i maybe practice 2 hours every other day. P.S.: any footbagger ever played quake1 ? fabian ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 07:25:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16700 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 07:25:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from davisbrody.com (mail.davisbrody.com [205.253.194.181]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16256 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 06:53:34 -0700 Received: from davisbrody.com [209.73.237.244] by davisbrody.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.04) id A985B6700238; Mon, 01 May 2000 09:41:25 EDT Message-ID: <390D8B5E.1B4C2F9A@davisbrody.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 09:49:18 -0400 From: Bruce Dole X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver Milleniums... yes, again References: <20000429222507.73509.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bryan Fournier wrote: > Ok people... i finally changed my mind and want to try out a pair of > milleniums...yea 4 months later...anyways... does anyone...have any clue... > where i can scrounge up a pair of these things?! We're all tapped out in > L.A. and i can't seem to find them on the Just for Feet webpage (they've > been replaced with the Stan Smith Milleniums). Any advice on where to find a > pair would be much ablidged. > > ~B.F. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Hey fellas, They're still at www.feet.com; I found them by doing a search (on the right side of the home page), entering "men's/adidas/tennis" into the fields under search. They're kinda expensive, mine came to $71...but I think they're a little kinder on the feet than the old ones... See ya, Bruce From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 10:17:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17034 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:17:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22669 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:05:06 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:05:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] stomping, Peter, and me being a little confusing Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:05:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello- Not normally one to write with a "what is this" question, but I can't get Peter Irish's stomping double legover out of my head.. Sometimes I need to describe moves in terms of other moves to get that mental picture that I sometimes cannot see from a move description/notation. Two things about this stomping double legover... 1) What would the following be? For example, if you were to start with a right footed clipper, do what I think looks sort of like a stomping double legover really quickly, and do a left footed butterfly stall as your ending. 2) Is what I just described basically what I see referred to as a "shooting set" ending in a butterfly (shooting butterfly?). OK, so three things... 3) If what I described is a shooting set, then tell me if I'm attempting it correctly (if an overly covered topic, please reply to me directly. otherwise to the list): I attempt the motion almost as if I were doing a right clipper to same side symposium mirage (where my left leg does the in to out dex.. I'm not really good with the same/op notation stuff, so forgive me if ambiguous)-- only when I go to do the jump, both legs pass over the bag (although my right leg never touches the ground to help me jump.. ok, to be clearer: If I'm trying the stomp dble legover, both legs plant... if I'm imitating what in my mind is a shooting set, the right leg does not plant-- but the motion feels similar to me either way, which is why I bring the whole stomping thing up to begin with). My left leg passes over the bag much as it would in symp mirage, and I bring my right leg up high by lifting my knee (like a high marching motion, similar to an atomic motion I guess?).. My feet hit the ground at nearly the same time. When I actually get this all to happen cleanly (so far this only happens about once in 50, but it's all good! Once in 50 is better than none in 50!), I'm left with enough time to do the aforementioned butterfly etc.. Thanks Much. Bob Riefer PS- Good fun at Eastcoasts this past weekend. Thanks to the tourney directors (Vince, Neil, Jason, Jeff, DC All Stars etc..)!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 14:49:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17360 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:49:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA32501 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:31:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 9981 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2000 21:31:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000501213121.9980.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.194] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 01 May 2000 14:31:21 PDT Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:31:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamez Risden Subject: [freestyle] final boast! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup everyone! Ok this will probably be my last boast 'till i can back this sh*t up with video. After hitting my first blurry torque, ive been dying to seal it. Finally, about 50 blurry torque> drop/hand catch later, I sealed it like this......... Blurry torque> butterfly> ripwalk> butterfly> blurry torque ATTEMPT! Not bad for a NEWBIE hey? Also, I hit a twirl. yay (not hard at all considering i dont even skool swirl) Im gonna go seal some more blurry torques and hopfully hit it weakside. later, Jamez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 17:15:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17659 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:15:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05346 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:59:42 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf0qp.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.131.89]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20834 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000501194921.00b64e80@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 19:57:04 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] final boast! In-Reply-To: <20000501213121.9980.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 02:31 PM 5/1/00 -0700, Jamez Risden wrote: >Blurry torque> butterfly> ripwalk> butterfly> blurry >torque ATTEMPT! Not to diminish your achievements one iota (very nice indeed!), but for the sake of argument doesn't "sealing" mean to be closed on *both* sides of a move? That is, to "seal" a Blurry Torque in a guiltless context, would you not have to do a 3-add or better before as well as after? Just asking to clear up my own muddled mind. I'm sure the answer lies in the freestyle archives, but I can't seem to search on the message bodies yet... -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 19:23:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17784 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:23:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f230.hotmail.com [216.32.181.230]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08956 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 18:42:43 -0700 Received: (qmail 8855 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2000 01:42:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000502014214.8854.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.151.225.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 May 2000 18:42:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.151.225.201] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] RE: More Boasting!/"Sealing" Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:42:14 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, >Not to diminish your achievements one iota (very nice indeed!), but for the >sake of argument doesn't "sealing" mean to be closed on >*both* sides of a >move? That is, to "seal" a Blurry Torque in a >guiltless context, would >you not have to do a 3-add or better before >as well as after? Just asking >to clear up my own muddled mind. I was under the same impression. James, you are NOT "sealing" your blurry torque. To seal you must hit your blurry torque in between moves without pausing. At least that's how I've always understood the concept of "sealing" Props to you though, James. Keep it up. The Mouse ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 19:24:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17796 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:24:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07017 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:47:41 -0700 Received: from piff (d143.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.143]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with SMTP id UAA23401; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d301bfb3cf$a52300c0$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Reply-To: "tony carter-piff" From: "tony carter-piff" To: , "Ernest Crvich" References: <4.3.1.20000501194921.00b64e80@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: [freestyle] tilting/guilting/sealing Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:44:59 -0400 Organization: swarthmore college MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > move? That is, to "seal" a Blurry Torque in a guiltless context, would you > not have to do a 3-add or better before as well as after? Sort of on this topic, I need a little clarification. To "go tiltless" means no moves less than 2 adds, correct? That means every touch needs to be a "trick," like, at least a legover or mirage, not a simple toe catch. But clipper=2 adds. Is going from, say, toe mirage to clipper "tilting?" I think so. I understand that adds are levels of complexity--not necessarily difficulty--and clipper is certainly more complex than toe...So, is tiltless a measure of "complexity" or difficulty? tony From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 1 22:55:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18038 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 1 May 2000 22:55:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA14461 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 21:32:23 -0700 Received: (qmail 20689 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2000 04:32:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000502043224.20688.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.210.166] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 01 May 2000 21:32:24 PDT Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:32:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamez Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] final boast! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org My bad, I guess I havent sealed blurry torque. (only half ass) Just have to work harder. I think I pulled something doing pdx whirls, blurry whirls, and blenders today. I get a sharp pain in the back of my left thigh whenever I do that whirly motion. Can anyone relate to this? All well, at least I can skool other stuff without bothering it. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 12:46:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19579 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:46:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19576 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:46:29 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09784 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:41:01 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25542 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:39:43 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle list update: new moderator Brian Kimball Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, folks. I just wanted to update everyone that we now have a new moderator for the freestyle discussion list: Brian Kimball . I will be taking a back seat for the time being. For those of you who don't know what moderation is, please feel free to write me or Brian for an explanation. The poll I put on footbag.org a few months ago clearly indicated that people were generally happy with the moderation (though I know how some of you feel :-)). However, I have not had time or energy to do as good of a job as I have in the past, and rather than turn off moderation or risk continuing to offend people with my terse style, I've asked Brian to take on this (thankless) task. Brian has been a great help to me with several footbag.org projects, and I want to publically thank him as he starts to take over moderation of the list. As many of you know, he's also been the administrator who handles new-member requests and other administrivia relating to the discussion lists. So, please welcome Brian, and give him as much support as you can in his new role. Thanks. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 18:45:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21275 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:45:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ux4.isu.edu (mta@ux4.isu.edu [134.50.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14570 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:54:08 -0700 Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.103.12]) by ux4.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5980 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:56:17 -0600 Message-ID: <390F4F88.F2BF60BE@isu.edu> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:58:32 -0600 From: Bob Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: [freestyle] Triple around the world and beyond Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey freestylers, I was just thinking today about how incredibly fast the notion of a triple around the world seems. Then, I got to wondering what would be possible if we could move as fast as either sound (in dry air) or light. Assuming a leg goes in a perfect circles around the bag with a 3.5 inch radius for each circle (which is probably not true, but this is just an approximation anyway), then the distance traveled for each revolution around the bag is 0.549m. Given that the speed of sound in air is 331 m/s, and the speed of light is 2.998*10^8 m/s, one can calculate that 602 revolutions/s and 5.46*10^8 revolutions/s are possible for sound and light, respectively (Once again, these are just approximations). If one makes the further assumption that there is a second between contacts (a time which obviosly varies from person to person), then a "six-hundred and twople" around the world, and a "five-hundred and fourty-six millionple" around the world would be possible when moving as fast as sound or light, respectively. So now you know why you move faster when you are listening to music out in the sun. Those sound waves and light waves (particles???) are just helping you along. Some strange, but oddly humorous thoughts, Bob "feelin' like a dork" Green From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 18:47:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21298 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:47:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12201 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:33:53 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-33 #39336) with SMTP id <0FTY00J0194EFN@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] final boast! Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:33:50 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan In-reply-to: <4.3.1.20000501194921.00b64e80@pop.mindspring.com> To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 1 May 2000, Ernest Crvich wrote: > sake of argument doesn't "sealing" mean to be closed on *both* sides of a > move? That is, to "seal" a Blurry Torque in a guiltless context, would you > not have to do a 3-add or better before as well as after? You know I always thought of sealing as being able to hit a move and hit another move after it, but a couple of weeks ago my friend and I were talking about it and he made a very good point that the move seemed very open ended if you didn't play into it. I always want to take my harder moves and be able to play into them (though not always with success). My friend made another really good point as well...It allows for more versatility in runs. I mean it's COOL AS HELL to be able to hit blurry torque or blurriest or pdx atom smasher, but it sucks if it always has to be your first trick if you want to hit it. Sealing both ends just makes you a better all around player. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 18:48:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21317 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:48:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11819 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:25:50 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.2-33 #39336) with SMTP id <0FTY00I018QRRC@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:25:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:25:38 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilting/guilting/sealing In-reply-to: <00d301bfb3cf$a52300c0$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> To: tony carter-piff Cc: freestyle@footbag.org, Ernest Crvich Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 1 May 2000, tony carter-piff wrote: > difficulty--and clipper is certainly more complex than toe...So, is tiltless > a measure of "complexity" or difficulty? And some other stuff about tiltless. Yes you have the definition of tiltless correct and yes going from mirage to clipper is tiltless. As to complexity or difficulty you get into the adds debate which sucks. Adds may be more an issue of complexity than difficulty, being that trick values are based on the various components of moves. When you actually do certain tricks you find them to be more difficult than others that have the same add value. That gets to be very relative to each individual and can tend to be a matter of practice when it comes to how easily you end up hitting it. So answer the problem personally. Is it harder for you to be tiltless than it is to tilt? Are there a whole bunch of one add moves that are harder for you to throw in than twos or threes even. I can honestly say that 1 year ago I went guiltless and could barely do a spinning clipper, but I could hit spinning butterfly. Somehow it just felt easier to me and less complex. Alright enough from me. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 18:50:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21338 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:50:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2005.mail.yahoo.com (web2005.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.205]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA11378 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:15:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 14485 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2000 20:15:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20000502201544.14484.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.207.3.178] by web2005.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 02 May 2000 13:15:44 PDT Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:15:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] final boast! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ernest Crvich wrote: > nice indeed!), but for the sake of argument > doesn't "sealing" mean to be closed on *both* > sides of a move? That is, to "seal" a Blurry > Torque in a guiltless context, would you not > have to do a 3-add or better before as well as > after? Ya know, I don't think it matters. So many people start their runs by kicking into a clipper these days that I think such a definition of *seal* is pointless. If you hit a move from start to finish and execute enough control to go to another guiltless move, then it's yours. I do, however, recommend to learn every trick from a butterfly rather than clipper- it will help in the long run. Kudos! Eli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 19:19:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21524 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:19:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21521 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:19:39 -0700 Received: from adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (mail@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.123.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23961 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:14:10 -0700 Received: from bfk by adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12mofz-0004fl-00 for ; Tue, 02 May 2000 19:14:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:14:11 -0700 From: "Brian F. Kimball" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilting/guilting/sealing Message-ID: <20000502191411.H17557@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> Mail-Followup-To: freestyle@footbag.org References: <00d301bfb3cf$a52300c0$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from kaplanb@mscd.edu on Tue, May 02, 2000 at 02:25:38PM -0600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Kaplan wrote: > Yes you have the definition of tiltless correct and yes going from > mirage to clipper is tiltless. You know, I just went back and looked at Tony's question and noticed he thought mirage to clipper WAS tilting, i.e. was not tiltless. So he didn't quite have the definition right. Tilting/guilting/tripping are solely related to adds. Even if clipper is easy for you it's still not a tilt, so mirage to clipper is a tiltless (but short :-) string. tony carter-piff wrote: > Is going from, say, toe mirage to clipper "tilting?" I think so. -- Brian F. Kimball From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 21:09:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21949 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:09:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f57.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.57]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27463 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 20:50:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 49460 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2000 03:49:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000503034936.49459.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.213.189 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 May 2000 20:49:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.189] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: ezshredz@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] final boast! Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 20:49:36 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eli Piltz wrote: >I do, however, recommend to learn every trick from >a butterfly rather than clipper- it will help in >the long run. > Kudos! These are the best words of wisdom one could mention. If you learned every trick, especially on your bad side, from a butterfly it would and will better your game. Right on Eli...kudos to "you" man. Later. ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 21:30:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22072 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:30:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28172 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:16:05 -0700 Received: from piff (d143.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.143]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with SMTP id AAA01917; Wed, 3 May 2000 00:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008901bfb4b5$f06b3020$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Reply-To: "tony carter-piff" From: "tony carter-piff" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilting/guilting/sealing Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:13:30 -0400 Organization: swarthmore college MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > > You know, I just went back and looked at Tony's question and noticed he > > thought mirage to clipper WAS tilting, i.e. was not tiltless. So he > > didn't quite have the definition right. > > tony carter-piff wrote: > > > > > Is going from, say, toe mirage to clipper "tilting?" I think so. > Oops, Brian, I didn't really mean that was my understanding of the word. I wanted to say that going straight to clipper seems like it should be a tilt, even at 2 adds. Not that adds matter, mind you. Play on. tony From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue May 2 22:58:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22238 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:58:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30551 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:35:59 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf0kj.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.130.147]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01435 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 01:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000503004806.00b4f960@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 01:33:16 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triple around the world and beyond In-Reply-To: <390F4F88.F2BF60BE@isu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 03:58 PM 5/2/00 -0600, Bob Green wrote: > I was just thinking today about how incredibly fast the notion of a >triple around the world seems. Then, I got to wondering what would be >possible if we could move as fast as either sound (in dry air) or >light. Alas, I regret to inform the freestyle community that our beloved Bob "Feelin' Like A Dork" Green was killed in a horrible accident this evening, shortly after the above posting, during his attempt to perform a feat of physics that far surpassed the laws of nature and good sense, upon which his body literally exploded. Witnesses claimed this catastrophe generated a sound similar to a watermelon dropped from a height onto a sidewalk, followed by a brilliant flash of pink light...a pair of events that echoed the very thoughts that must have been straining his mind at the time. Let us all take a few moments to remember Bob Green, the man - indeed, the legend as of today - as he was: taking the sport of footbag freestyle to limits that no man...no sane man...would venture, rather than as the totally gross and icky corpse he has become. You're in our thoughts, Bob, wherever you are...I mean, that is to say, wherever your spirit is...not all those bloody bits that are all strewn about, we know where those are...but, well, you know what I mean...here's to Bob! *clink* With fondest memories and deepest apologies, Ernest -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 3 07:45:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24069 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:45:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.18]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31364 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:06:00 -0700 Received: from czpwa - 205.184.160.35 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:05:33 -0700 Message-ID: <006201bfb4ce$5f12e640$23a0b8cd@czpwa> From: "Richard Reese" To: "tony carter-piff" , Cc: References: <008901bfb4b5$f06b3020$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilting/guilting/sealing Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:08:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello shredders, If you start a combo with a toe stall and then a clipper stall and then continue to hit tricks after that , it's ok, Ryan always starts his combos with a right toe, left clipper. He's awesome, and he , along with many other top kickers, hit their top tricks as their first trick in the combo. This relates to sealing.Hit a blurry torque as your first trick, then hit any other three add move next and it's sealed...bottom line. However, it may not get on the video highlights, it's still sealed. As a matter of fact, I used to start all my combos with a toe stall or clipper. But for the last 3 or 4 years I've used a butterfly as my first trick, mainly to increase that ever pesky add ratio. Daryl, Kenny, Scott, and a few others start this way but it really doesn't matter, start however you want, whatever works. Also, A tilt is any 1add move performed after a 2 or 3 add move. A guilt is any 2 add move hit after a 3 add move. Penalty is to have to pass the bag immediatly after tilting or guilting, this forces you to become better. Has anybody hit an inspinning super duper fly, or a gyro symposium down double? I want to see it. Take it easy, Rippin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tony carter-piff" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilting/guilting/sealing > > > You know, I just went back and looked at Tony's question and noticed he > > > thought mirage to clipper WAS tilting, i.e. was not tiltless. So he > > > didn't quite have the definition right. > > > tony carter-piff wrote: > > > > > > > Is going from, say, toe mirage to clipper "tilting?" I think so. > > > > Oops, Brian, I didn't really mean that was my understanding of the word. I > wanted to say that going straight to clipper seems like it should be a tilt, > even at 2 adds. Not that adds matter, mind you. Play on. > > tony > > > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 3 17:13:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26666 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:13:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f137.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.137]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01055 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:12:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 44145 invoked by uid 0); 3 May 2000 22:12:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000503221225.44144.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.161.42.100 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 May 2000 15:12:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.161.42.100] From: "jim penske" To: freestyle_spaz@hotmail.com, ezshredz@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] final boast! Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:12:25 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have also learned that doing a butterfly into other moves is helpful. not only does it make you better it puts some style into you runs. Jim-hat >From: "Bryan Fournier" >To: ezshredz@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] final boast! >Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 20:49:36 PDT > >Eli Piltz wrote: > >>I do, however, recommend to learn every trick from >>a butterfly rather than clipper- it will help in >>the long run. >> Kudos! > >These are the best words of wisdom one could mention. If you learned every >trick, especially on your bad side, from a butterfly it would and will >better your game. Right on Eli...kudos to "you" man. Later. > > >~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 3 17:27:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26752 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:27:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f275.hotmail.com [216.32.180.129]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA06047 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:19:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 7238 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2000 00:18:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000504001845.7237.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.202.182 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 May 2000 17:18:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.202.182] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Double Dexterities... Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 00:18:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, I was just wondering what is a good move to break the barrier from single dexterities to doubles. So, what is the easiest double dex move to do, and the one I should learn first?? Thanks, Cole http://www.footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 3 19:19:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27128 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 19:19:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09824 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:36:19 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.200.190]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FU000K1EHK9OM@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:31:20 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] I need help finding a place to stay at western regionals To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <000701bfb568$73a0af80$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, many of you know me, my name is Sam Colclough. I'm 17 years old. I have no place to stay in San Fransisco for western regionals. I'll cook or clean or anything. You can call me at 818 846 8909 or just e-mail me. Thanks a lot! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 3 19:20:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27155 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 19:20:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web3407.mail.yahoo.com (web3407.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10237 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 18:45:56 -0700 Message-ID: <20000504014527.14886.qmail@web3407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.49.164.9] by web3407.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 03 May 2000 18:45:27 PDT Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 18:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Owen Parrish Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dexterities... To: Cole Hobson , freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I like toe>same in>op out>same toe. that was my first double dex move. Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed May 3 20:20:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27411 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 May 2000 20:20:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f47.hotmail.com [216.32.181.47]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA13159 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 20:05:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 47640 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2000 03:05:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000504030510.47639.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.151.225.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 May 2000 20:05:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.151.225.201] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dexterities... Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 23:05:10 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Cole, Owen Parrish wrote: >I like toe>same in>op out>same toe. that was my first >double dex move. What he is referring to is a Pixie Leg-Over. Personally, My first double dex move was a Double ATW, but this all depends on what you are skooling and what is easier for you. After hitting the DOuble ATW, I hit a smear (pixie mirage) which I find pretty easy but again, it all depends. If I were you, I'd work on nailing down different sets, (pixie, fairy, stepping, etc.). Laterz, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 11:26:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30555 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:26:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14854 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:02:52 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf8ho.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.162.56]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27443 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 00:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000503224134.00b64100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 23:18:19 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dexterities... In-Reply-To: <20000504001845.7237.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:18 AM 5/4/00 +0000, Cole Hobson wrote: >I was just wondering what is a good move to break the barrier from single >dexterities to doubles. So, what is the easiest double dex move to do, >and the one I should learn first?? As I sit here with my Snyder's sourdough pretzels, munching back to my early days as a freestyling whippersnapper, I recall a brief but memorable conversation I had with myself on this very subject...it's...it's all coming back to me now... "Ernest," I said, "you're really nailing those Butterfly stalls like cake, so why don't you go for the gold?" "Why, Ernest, whatever do you mean?" I queried. "Well, you probably have enough time to throw your leg around TWICE instead of once, don't you think?" I offered. "Holy Nell Carter!" I exclaimed. "You're right!" And so, I soon hit my first Paradon, and lived happily ever after. The end. Well, actually...there's also a really long bit about some salamanders and a drinking straw, but that will have to wait for another occasion. -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 11:27:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30575 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:27:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15046 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:08:10 -0700 Received: from r79a006587aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.178.150] helo=funazs) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12nCvm-00044c-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 4 May 2000 00:08:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01bfb57f$4cb0ea40$96b27ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Reply-To: "MIke Furnari" From: "MIke Furnari" To: References: <20000504030510.47639.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: [freestyle] Nemisis checkup.... Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 00:14:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i was just wondering.... has anyone come close to a nemisis yet and is anyone actially trying for it??? --Mike Furnari From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 11:28:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30586 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:28:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f271.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.49]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA15173 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 21:11:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 50407 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2000 04:11:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000504041105.50406.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 May 2000 21:11:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: mickey_mayer@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dexterities... Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 00:11:05 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey friends, I want an East Coast Champs update! Who was there, what was hit, who was hit? Was there a phat combo contest? In response to the recent string about sealing, my feeling is that if you play through a move from start to finish looking good and keeping it under control, then it is sealed. In the opening of Sultans, Ryan hits toe stall-clipper-big apple- ps whirl. If he had executed an overhead hand catch after the big apple, i would consider it sealed, because he maintains control throughout the execution of the move. When I practice for a routine sometimes I will kick right into a ducking butterfly, and then do a spinning neck catch. This is technically a 0 add move to a 4 to a 2, but it is a sealed trick in my book. The key issue here is control and style, not adds. Take it from a sealing fan. Now somebody else asked about double dexterity moves, and which ones to learn first. Mickey Mayer replied: >If I were you, I'd work on nailing down different sets, (pixie, fairy, >stepping, etc.). I would strongly suggest otherwise. If you are at the point where you are just learning double dexterity moves, you should concentrate on rounding out your tiltless game, and picking up as many moves as possible which don't require a set. Sets are fun and open up the doors to many more moves, but it's more important to learn the basics first so you have more possibilities once you learn a set. Some good double dexes to learn both sides are: double leg over, eggbeater (Orig. Recipe), and paradon. If your first double dex is a smear, you will have an early start on a pixie set, but fewer creative options then if your first double dex was double leg over, and then you later learned pixie sets. Take it from me, it sucks having sets and not enough options to follow them up, and then having to go back and learn basics all over. Damn that was a long post. Good luck to anybody else out there wrapping up the school year...I feel your pain. Ken the ceiling fan. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 11:33:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30634 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:33:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Will Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25675 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 04:03:03 -0700 Received: by EXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 4 May 2000 07:03:06 -0400 Message-ID: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C192012FE@EXCH01> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Progress - Timid Boasting - Lap Stall Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 07:03:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org So here is what I started gettin last night. Poor Side Butterflys (Like really started hitting them well) Also because I set from a left toe stall it has helped that. I only now realised that it was still a little behind :( Butterfly > Butterfly (With Clippers mixed in) In > Out ATW and also Out > In ATW in strings of 3-4. Both Sides :) Osis? I do a Clipper stall and then as its going up spin around and face forward again. Also one question. I hit lap stall to clipper stall. That got a name? Its like a 2 inch drop from the lap to the crossed postion of the actual stall and if you are going for "Flow" this may be a move. Its problably like 1 add but, heck... Also good for high hits > Lap stall. Hey, any footbaggers live in Mid-New York State? Had to get that out there. Thanks All, Will Wells From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 11:34:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30645 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:34:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f69.hotmail.com [209.185.131.132]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA28761 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 05:04:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 71641 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2000 12:03:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000504120349.71640.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.225.102.154 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 May 2000 05:03:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [149.225.102.154] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Dexterities... Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:03:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >So, what is the easiest double dex move to do, and >the one I should learn first?? it depends. pixie moves arent that hard (pixie legover, pixie butterfly etc.) maybe clipper set double legover. ive hit double ATW first. just wrote a 6hour physics test =/ fabian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 11:36:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30658 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:36:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailhost.cmc.net (mailhost.cmc.net [206.102.31.250]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06220 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:26:35 -0700 Received: from cmc.net (113-126.butte.cc.ca.us [205.155.113.126]) by mailhost.cmc.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA02338 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3911A49B.6A9088C6@cmc.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:26:03 -0700 From: Joshua Feltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Laver Millenniums for $30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just for Feet has changed the price of their Laver Millenniums to $30.00 Check it out at http://www.feet.com/default.sph/JFF.class?FNC=ViewItem__AActivators_html___2839. Hopefully this isn't just a computer error. Alas, they only carry up to size 12 :-( Happy Kicking, Joshua Feltman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 13:01:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31057 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:01:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f137.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.137]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14430 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 12:44:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 11002 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2000 19:44:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000504194422.11001.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 May 2000 12:44:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.17] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Nemesis checkup.... Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:44:22 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org MIke Furnari asked: >i was just wondering.... >has anyone come close to a nemesis yet and is anyone actially trying for >it??? Oh yah, I hit that all the time, take a look: http://members.xoom.com/NemesisDS/multimedia/nemesis2.gif I´m sure the ever secretive "legend of Sunil Jani" and the less publicized Stuart Macferson are hot on the trail. I would also mention Ryan Mulroney, but he doesn't need any encouragement. Cheers -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 13:41:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31199 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:41:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07811 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:08:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 13038 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2000 17:08:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000504170809.13037.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.153.252.243] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 04 May 2000 10:08:09 PDT Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Jones To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey hey hey, I'm living in Den Haag (pretty close to Amsterdam) right now. If there are any freestylers in the area, write me back so we can get together and skool! :-) Adios, Jane From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 21:30:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32655 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 21:30:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (c014-h022.c014.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.86]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA10001 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:04:57 -0700 Received: (cpmta 1327 invoked from network); 4 May 2000 10:31:24 -0700 Received: from 63-248-119-229.usa3.flashcom.net (HELO ul2ju) (63.248.119.229) by smtp.flashcom.net with SMTP; 4 May 2000 10:31:24 -0700 X-Sent: 4 May 2000 17:31:24 GMT From: "Mike Stoler" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triple around the world and beyond Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:36:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000801bfb5ef$42133730$e577f83f@flashcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bob Green wrote: > Assuming a leg goes in a perfect circles around the bag with a 3.5 > inch radius for each circle (which is probably not true, but this is > just an approximation anyway), then the distance traveled for each > revolution around the bag is 0.549m. Given that the speed of sound > in air is 331 m/s, and the speed of light is 2.998*10^8 m/s, one can > calculate that 602 revolutions/s and 5.46*10^8 revolutions/s are > possible for sound and light, respectively (Once again, these are > just approximations). If one makes the further assumption that > there is a second between contacts (a time which obviosly varies > from person to person), then a "six-hundred and twople" around the > world, and a "five-hundred and fourty-six millionple" around the > world would be possible when moving as fast as sound or light, > respectively. Applying elementary physics to the above situation, one can calculate the amount of G force the leg would experience under such circumstances. The amount of force that the leg would experience in an outward direction is determined by the following equation: F = m v**2 / r where m is the mass of the object in question and v is the velocity r is the radius Not really sure how much a leg weighs. I figure it's at least a pound. We'll use that. (To calculate G forces we will want the ratio of the weight to the force. Having the weight be 1 pound will make things easier.) Also, I'm a little rusty, which is why I'm exposing my work. Please forgive me. m = 1 lb = 1 / 2.205 kg ~= 0.4535 kg = 453.5 g = 0.4535 kg r = 3.5 inches = 3.5 in * (1 cm / 2.54 in) = 13.78 cm = 0.01378 m v = speed of sound = 331 m / s and this gives us: F = m * v**2 / r = 0.4535 * 331 * 331 / 0.01378 = 360565.41 N (sorry, units are now "Newtons") = 360565.41 N * (0.2248 lb / N) (converting to lbs) = 81055.10 lbs Now since the leg weighs one pound, this is a significant amount of force pulling the leg outwards. You might say that the outer leghairs experience a "G force" of 81055 G's, which is an aweful lot of "G's". Trust me. Now if the leg is moving at the speed of light, there are a whole bunch of other problems. It just can't. Again, trust me. I'm not even too sure about that the application of this "orbital" equation with velocity close to the speed of light is valid. Still it yields the following: m = 1 lb = 0.4535 kg r = 0.01378 m v = c = speed of light = 2.998 * 10^8 giving us: F = 6.65 * 10^16 lbs or a very very large number. May our friend Bob rest in piece. (pieces?) .. For those who wonder, for a double around the world, same assumptions: m = 1 lb = 0.4535 kg r = 0.01378 m c = circumference = 2 * pi * r = 0.08658 m (NOTE: Bob, i think you made an error here.) v = circumference * 2 / 1 sec = 0.08658 m * 2 / 1 sec = 0.17316 m / s giving: F = 0.2218 G's or just under 1/4 of 1 G. For a triple around the world: v = circumference * 3 / 1 sec = (0.08658 m) * 3 / 1 sec = 0.2597 m / s giving F = 0.4990 lbs or very close to 1/2 G ** For those interested in math / physics, the force goes up in direct proportion to speed *squared* so small increases in speed can increase in G force significantly. ** For the quadruple around the worlds guys in the group: v = circumference * 4 / 1 sec = (0.08658 m) * 4 / 1 sec = 0.3463 m / s giving F = 0.887318479502491 or nearly 90% of 1 G. Now, that's getting significant. Kick on, happy 'stylers Rex dang, i knew that degree in physics would come in handy one day From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 21:42:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32689 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 21:42:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32686 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 21:42:34 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00491 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 21:36:57 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20622 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 21:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801bfb5ef$42133730$e577f83f@flashcom.com> References: <000801bfb5ef$42133730$e577f83f@flashcom.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 21:36:38 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triple around the world and beyond Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:36 AM -0700 5/4/00, Mike Stoler wrote: > m = 1 lb = 1 / 2.205 kg ~= 0.4535 kg > = 453.5 g > = 0.4535 kg >blah...blah... I really need to start moderating this list again. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu May 4 21:57:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32717 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 May 2000 21:57:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29603 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 19:42:36 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.202.15]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FU2000ITFHCNP@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 4 May 2000 19:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 19:41:34 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver Millenniums for $30 To: Joshua Feltman , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <001d01bfb63b$6db705a0$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 References: <3911A49B.6A9088C6@cmc.net> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ah ha.. but me, being cool.. here they are up to size 13! http://www.adidas.800shoes.com/ma.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Feltman" To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 9:26 AM Subject: [freestyle] Laver Millenniums for $30 > Just for Feet has changed the price of their Laver Millenniums to > $30.00 Check it out at > > http://www.feet.com/default.sph/JFF.class?FNC=ViewItem__AActivators_html___2839. > > Hopefully this isn't just a computer error. Alas, they only carry up to > size 12 :-( > > Happy Kicking, > Joshua Feltman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 11:41:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02174 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 11:41:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ucsub.Colorado.EDU (ucsub.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07474 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 03:00:18 -0700 Received: (from schneija@localhost) by ucsub.Colorado.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/ITS-5.0/standard) id EAA19067 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 5 May 2000 04:00:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Jonathan Schneider Message-Id: <200005051000.EAA19067@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Subject: [freestyle] we call him Quadzilla! To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 04:00:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Everybody! some big news from Boulder, CO. I don't know how to put it, it all happened so fast... and so many times! in our basement tonight Red Shred Husted hit Shooting Down-Double-Down. many time. he sealed it about a dozen or so. for the mathematically challenged, (like me) that adds up to four dexterities. and yeah, it is on video. a few of 'em. to mark to occasion of the eta aquarid meteor shower tonight, we've dubbed it Shoot Star. the really amazing thing is that Red has hardly been playing any footbag this winter. i guess some time off doesn't hurt some people. that little basement of ours though, has been home to some other kinds of magic lately too. just the other night, Dynamite Dave Holton hit a few Blurry Zulu Le Loups. in other words, a stepping otherside diving (paradox diving) butterfly. The Boulder Blades footbag is cutting edge! and Red Diggler is our bright and shining star. catch y'all.. shpater, dudes Jonathan Schneider Outsider@footbag.org p.s. can anyone out there tell me what a Choco-Taco is? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 11:52:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02197 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 11:52:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02194 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 11:52:30 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25310 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 11:46:51 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08554 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 11:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200005051000.EAA19067@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> References: <200005051000.EAA19067@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:46:16 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] we call him Quadzilla! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 4:00 AM -0600 5/5/00, Jonathan Schneider wrote: >tonight Red Shred Husted hit Shooting Down-Double-Down. many time. >he sealed it about a dozen or so. for the mathematically challenged, >(like me) that adds up to four dexterities. That's *amazing*! For those who don't know, there has never been a documented 4-dex move hit by a real human being. (Not that Red really qualifies! :-) You can tell him I said that, Jon. :-)) Goes to show you what a little rest'll do for ya. Give Red a fat kiss on the cheek for me (please, no exchange of bodily fluids). Though, some could argue that shooting isn't really a double-dex move. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 12:26:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02289 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:26:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu (root@acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu [130.58.64.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26073 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:01:44 -0700 Received: from piff (d143.parrish-dorm01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.237.143]) by acorn.cc.swarthmore.edu with SMTP id PAA05608; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d801bfb6c3$fcc04440$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Reply-To: "tony carter-piff" From: "tony carter-piff" To: References: <200005051000.EAA19067@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Subject: Re: [freestyle] we call him Quadzilla! Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:59:06 -0400 Organization: swarthmore college MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > That's *amazing*! For those who don't know, there has never been a > documented 4-dex move hit by a real human being. Holy cow, yes, that is unreal! But, nemesis is being hit now by Mike Furnari-- does it not qualify as a 4dex?... tony From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 12:30:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02310 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:30:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02307 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:30:49 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26975 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:25:09 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] (brat1.corp.home.net [24.16.24.8]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26371 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00d801bfb6c3$fcc04440$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> References: <200005051000.EAA19067@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> <00d801bfb6c3$fcc04440$8fed3a82@swarthmore.edu> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:24:38 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] we call him Quadzilla! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 2:59 PM -0400 5/5/00, tony carter-piff wrote: > > That's *amazing*! For those who don't know, there has never been a > > documented 4-dex move hit by a real human being. > >Holy cow, yes, that is unreal! But, nemesis is being hit now by Mike >Furnari-- does it not qualify as a 4dex?... I said "documented". Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 23:09:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03727 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:09:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11397 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 21:16:20 -0700 Received: from r7a002396aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.183.94] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12nw0q-0000qw-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 6 May 2000 00:16:20 -0400 Message-ID: <002901bfb711$17fc4900$5eb77ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Reply-To: "Tyler Guindon" From: "Tyler Guindon" To: Subject: [freestyle] New Moves and Add Question Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 00:11:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Guys, While trying to stay awake in class one day, I started dreaming up some new moves. Let me just say that I am NO WHERE NEAR hitting ANY of these and I am simply posting them because I'm curious if, they already exist first of all, and if anyone could possibly hit them. Ok, here is the Jobs for them... 1. CLIP>OP IN [DEX]>SAME IN [DEX]>(back) SPIN [BOD]>OP CLIP [DEL] [XBD] 5 adds by my count (basically a clipper set atw into a torque) 2. CLIP>OP IN [DEX]>OP OUT [PDX] [DEX]>OP BACK SWIRL [PDX] [DEX]>SAME CLIP [DEL] [XBD] that gets 7 adds if im not mistaken (i have no idea what this would be) Now, I realize that these are difficult, especially the second one, but I think that the motions are doable for advanced shredders. I searched Footbag.org for these moves but they're not on there... please dont hesitate to rip me apart if anything is wrong. My add question is for the shooting torque... the jobs for it is... CLIP > OP IN [DEX] > OP OUT [PDX][DEX] > OP IN [DEX] > (back) SPIN [BOD] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] Im curious as to why the second OP IN doesnt get a paradox add? I know that a paradox is defined loosely, but it is my understanding that anytime a op dex follows an op dex, the second dex gets a paradox add, implying that the support leg did the dex. Maybe im just confused... thanks for your help Tyler Guindon P.S. Just to kill any controversy before it starts... I kick with Mike Furnari all the time and he has NEVER hit a nemesis. He was simply curious as to if anyone could hit it or was trying it... mad props to Red Husted for hitting the first 4 dex though... excellent From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 23:40:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03805 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:40:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA28522 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 13:06:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 27983 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2000 20:07:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000505200702.27982.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.174] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 05 May 2000 13:07:02 PDT Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:07:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamez Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] we call him Quadzilla! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org wrote: > tonight Red Shred Husted hit Shooting > Down-Double-Down. many time. Thats frickin crazy! > > p.s. can anyone out there tell me what a Choco-Taco > is? I thought that was one of those ice cream thingys you get from taco john's! Is it also a footbag move or somthin'? Today i hit- ripwalk> ripwalk> blurry whirl> blurry whirl> osis> bunch of 3's That hardly compares to ReD though. Later, Jamez "The One" Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 23:44:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03816 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:44:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (mx1.magmacom.com [206.191.0.217]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02464 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:07:58 -0700 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19570 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 19:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave (port-2-97.magma.ca [206.191.63.97]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27070 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 19:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004001bfb6e6$578f36c0$0b01010a@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] we call him Quadzilla! Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:05:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- > some big news from Boulder, CO. I don't know how to put it, >it all happened so fast... and so many times! in our basement >tonight Red Shred Husted hit Shooting Down-Double-Down. many time. >he sealed it about a dozen or so. for the mathematically challenged, >(like me) that adds up to four dexterities. and yeah, it is on >video. a few of 'em. COOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!! Congrats to Red! We're not worthy! So the record for consecutive 4-dex moves is 1. Who's gonna beat it? :) > to mark to occasion of the eta aquarid meteor >shower tonight, we've dubbed it Shoot Star. And awesome name too (assuming you mean "Shooting Star"). Good stuff. Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 23:48:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03828 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:48:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Adam Mrosko Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06793 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 18:41:15 -0700 Received: from ZZombie2@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.7a.4dae3c0 (3939) for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 21:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7a.4dae3c0.2644d21e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 21:40:46 EDT Subject: [freestyle] rakes To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 100 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers I have a question about rakes. What exactly is a rake. I thought it was to set it with right toe then spin so the bag is behind you. Then grab the footbag with your right toe(when the bag is behind you) and swing it forward. My friend Jamez (the one who hits blurry torque and SEALS it right in front of my eyes) said that i wasn't doing a rake. I am very confused. I saw Lon Smith(on sultons) hit this exact move except from clipper. Please someone clear this up. Later Adam P.S. Props to Red for the 4-dexer!!!!!!!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri May 5 23:50:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03842 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:50:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f162.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.162]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA30843 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 14:10:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 97005 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2000 21:10:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000505211005.97004.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.213.62 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 May 2000 14:10:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.62] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: stoler@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triple around the world and beyond Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 14:10:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org HEE HEE HEE HE...GO REX!!! for any of you who are foreign to this physics master... he is your one and only mike stoler... head member of Hermosa Beach (L.A.), CA footbag club... see you at next session rex... good stuff! ~Bryan >From: "Mike Stoler" >To: >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Triple around the world and beyond >Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:36:19 -0700 >Applying elementary physics to the above situation, one can calculate >the amount of G force the leg would experience under such >circumstances. > >The amount of force that the leg would experience in an outward >direction is determined by the following equation: [...] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat May 6 11:21:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05246 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:21:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f115.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA32324 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:38:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 71528 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2000 12:38:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000506123820.71527.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 May 2000 05:38:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.17] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Moves and Add Question Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 05:38:20 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tyler Guindon wrote: "1. CLIP>OP IN [DEX]>SAME IN [DEX]>(back) SPIN [BOD]>OP CLIP [DEL] [XBD]" If I read this right then yur talking about a baroque (sp) way back in 97 I saw Torch do about 3 of these in a row, sick. 5 ADDs anyway. "2. CLIP>OP IN [DEX]>OP OUT [PDX] [DEX]>OP BACK SWIRL [PDX] [DEX]>SAME CLIP [DEL] [XBD]" If I read this right then it´s a stepping op butterfly swirl, although I hope someone has dreamt up a better name by now. You can see Ryan doing one amongst dallasfootbag´s world´s 99 footage. 5 adds, no paradox. "My add question is for the shooting torque... I'm curious as to why the second OP IN doesn't get a paradox add? I know that a paradox is defined loosely, but it is my understanding that anytime a op dex follows an op dex, the second dex gets a paradox add" Um no. I will now make a statement that will get me in trouble, trust no one person´s opinion of what paradox is or where it is applied. Saying that it is applied arbitrarily is wrong, but maybe closer to the truth than saying that, right now, it is closely defined anywhere. That said the logic goes that a set does not change the nature of paradox. So after the shooting set what was the planting leg is doing the dex instead of what was the setting leg, therefore no paradox add. Ok, everyone precede to yell at me. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 16:51:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09719 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:51:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f109.hotmail.com [216.32.181.109]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09948 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 18:06:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 17374 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2000 01:05:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000507010549.17373.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.151.225.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 May 2000 18:05:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.151.225.201] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Andrew's Nemesis Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 21:05:49 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, After looking and intensively examining Andrew McCargar's nemesis. I noticed something real funky about it. Actually, when Andrew posted that he "hits it all the time," I laughed out loud which led me to study the video he pointed us all to. Well, I have to applaud Andrew for his work because it is obviously a fake video that "kinda" looks real. If you watch the video a couple of times, you'll notice that after the barraging set is done, the bag reaches is peak (apex?), but here's where it gets weird, the bag stays at its apex for a little longer than it normally should. I just thought that everyone should know that the vid is FAKE! That way, no one spreads the rumor (I hate rumors!!) that someone has hit nemesis. Then again, there is the distinct possibility that Andrew has hit this insane trick and if he has then props (and props and props...) to him. Andrew, I hope I'm not sounding harsh but I am curious to know how you pull off making the video. Did you use Photoshop and if you really do hit nemesis, could you show us different vid of it (possibily one that shows your whole body in it? Peace all, The Mouse (who hopes he hasn't just made enemies) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 17:14:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09893 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 17:14:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.mc.net (mail.mc.net [209.172.128.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA11768 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 14:55:56 -0700 Message-Id: <200005072155.OAA11768@Market.NET> Received: (qmail 16969 invoked from network); 7 May 2000 21:55:59 -0000 Received: from chi-ras-3-209-112-93-207.mc.net (HELO ?209.112.93.207?) (209.112.93.207) by mail.mc.net with SMTP; 7 May 2000 21:55:59 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 16:39:54 -0500 Subject: [freestyle] Top quality footbags From: "Colin Larson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: mail.mc.net 1.6.1 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I recently got my Lavers and a new shiny Juice footbag. The Lavers kick, but I noticed the Juice footbag was a little smaller than I was used to playing with. So I kicked it about a week and noticed everything was kind of harder, except it had more control. But the thing spins wildly and will roll of your foot very easily on stalls. So I went back to my old $4 bag that is just some generic thing. It is big and floppy, but not that much bigger. It is way easier to stall than the Juice is, even though it's a cheapo. It's a 14 panel made out of different kinds of courdoroy jeans. A little smaller than a baseball. So my question is, how come my cheap $4 hack is some much better than my top quality (?) Juice hack which is recommended by everyone? The Juice is broken in pretty well, so it isn't that. And how come the majority of freestyle bags are so small? Oh well, hope you guys can help me figure this out. thanx, -Colin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 20:18:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10393 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:18:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f211.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.211]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA21115 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:30:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 20071 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2000 02:29:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000508022938.20070.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.106 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 May 2000 19:29:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.106] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Andrew's Nemesis Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 22:29:38 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hang on, was that video supposed to be taken seriously? i don't think the leg is even dexing the bag.. i thought it was just a cute joke that was posted for our amusement. :-\ ? Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 20:31:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10424 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:31:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10421 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:31:41 -0700 Received: from spectre.atext.com (spectre.atext.com [204.62.245.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23600 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:25:53 -0700 Received: from kaos (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by spectre.atext.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11421 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.16.24.8] by kaos (8.8.8+Sun/Spike-2.0) id UAA10231; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000507010549.17373.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000507010549.17373.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:25:22 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Andrew's Nemesis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 9:05 PM -0400 5/6/00, Mickey Mayer wrote: >it is obviously a fake video No duh! Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 20:34:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10435 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:34:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20373 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:10:51 -0700 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id z.ee.4cfc06a (4072) for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:10:13 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Top quality footbags To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Colin, I totally agree with you. I've wondered about the same thing ever since I got my 32 panel sandbag facile. When I got it (along with my lavers) I was like, "Alrighty, time to get to work." So I practiced and practiced, and I saw that I had to kick it instead of stalling it. I'm pretty sure I could stall back then so I know it wasn't me. It got me very mad because as you know its pretty hard to finish a trick by kicking it. Then one day I ordered a 10 dollar, i think 12 panel sand bag. I was so happy after a few days of using it. I got it really good broken in and its medium size, but bigger than the facile. Sandbags are the best for stalling in my opinion. I still have it today. Also the facile sandbag I use to use leaked abunch, and putting sand in it like every 5 days wasn't my idea of fun. The sandbag I have now is not leaking at all. I'm linking my tricks easier and better because I can stall them better then set it up real good. I think the big heavy sandbag is 10x better than the facile. -Evan "Skykicker" Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 20:34:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10445 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:34:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web3403.mail.yahoo.com (web3403.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.57]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20408 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:12:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20000508021219.25188.qmail@web3403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.49.164.9] by web3403.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 07 May 2000 19:12:18 PDT Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Owen Parrish Subject: Re: [freestyle] Top quality footbags To: Colin Larson , freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I felt the same when when i got the juice. Give it time man. it needs to mature. wash it w/ cold water, and pert plus. rub in in your hands. you gotta be gentle. Owen "total package" parrish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 21:28:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10558 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:28:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24740 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:11:10 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf5sp.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.151.153]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA17818 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.20000507235348.00b6f100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 00:08:07 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Andrew's Nemesis In-Reply-To: <20000507010549.17373.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 09:05 PM 5/6/00 -0400, Mickey Mayer wrote: >I just thought that everyone should know that the vid is FAKE! Do you mean to tell me that there are people posting to this listserv that aren't being serious and factual all the time? Well...I...I just...I don't...I...I... Ahem. Please pardon me while I gather myself...my kilt is all in a ruffle now... Ok, that's it, Mickey...we've got to find ALL of these culprits and weed them out. There is no room for humor and sarcasm in this world, much less this listserv, and I'm behind you 100% to gid rid of each and every one of these offensive little mongrels. I think I can even get Lars Ulrich to help us. I just can't believe Steve could have allowed such seedy behavior to infest our community all these years. Hmmm....I wonder........ -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 22:43:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11005 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:43:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25633 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:43:45 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx50-58.ix.netcom.com [198.211.45.250]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29754 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391647FA.C67C15DF@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 23:52:10 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Moves and Add Question References: <002901bfb711$17fc4900$5eb77ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tyler Guindon wrote: > > > 1. CLIP>OP IN [DEX]>SAME IN [DEX]>(back) SPIN [BOD]>OP CLIP [DEL] [XBD] > 5 adds by my count (basically a clipper set atw into a torque) Yep. If you don't plant the foot between your first and second dexes, it is called a barroque (or a barraging osis). If you do plant the leg between the first and second dexes, it is called a stepping torque. I've seen both, but barroque is definitely more common. > 2. CLIP>OP IN [DEX]>OP OUT [PDX] [DEX]>OP BACK SWIRL [PDX] [DEX]>SAME CLIP > [DEL] [XBD] > that gets 7 adds if im not mistaken (i have no idea what this would be) This would be a ripwalk swirl, or a stepping opposite side butterfly swirl. I'm pretty sure I've seen Ahren hit this. This move doesn't have any paradox component, so it is a worthy 5 ADD move. On a side note, swirls never get paradox. And, you can't ever get two paradoxes in a single move. Why? Just because. > My add question is for the shooting torque... the jobs for it is... > CLIP > OP IN [DEX] > OP OUT [PDX][DEX] > OP IN [DEX] > (back) SPIN [BOD] > > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] > > Im curious as to why the second OP IN doesnt get a paradox add? I know that > a paradox is defined loosely, but it is my understanding that anytime a op > dex follows an op dex, the second dex gets a paradox add, implying that the > support leg did the dex. Maybe im just confused... thanks for your help Yep. You are confused. Just because there is an op dex followed by an op dex, you don't have to get a paradox. Read Steve's paradox tutorial on footbag.org/freestyle. And, like I said earlier, you can't get more than one paradox per move. Why? I don't know. It just isn't in the extremely restrictive definition of paradox. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 22:44:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11022 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:44:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25645 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:43:48 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx50-58.ix.netcom.com [198.211.45.250]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA11236 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391647FD.9FC16E2B@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 23:52:13 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] rakes References: <7a.4dae3c0.2644d21e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adam Mrosko wrote: > > I have a question about rakes. What exactly is a rake. I thought it was > to set it with right toe then spin so the bag is behind you. Then grab the > footbag with your right toe(when the bag is behind you) and swing it forward. I think you are talking about a cross body rake. When the initial contact is made in the cross body position, you get an extra ADD. So, a cross body rake is three ADDs and a regular rake is just two. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 22:44:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11040 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:44:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25657 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:43:50 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org (dal-tx50-58.ix.netcom.com [198.211.45.250]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA18795 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39164800.A46812D5@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 23:52:16 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Progress - Timid Boasting - Lap Stall References: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C192012FE@EXCH01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Will Wells wrote: > > Also one question. I hit lap stall to clipper stall. That got a name? > Its problably like 1 add but, heck... That is two seperate moves. A lap stall (one ADD move) to a clipper delay (two ADD move). Cool move despite the low ADD value. If you can throw it in and make it look good, do it. Try playing out to clippers on both sides. Also, try throwing something in before the lap stall (stepping, pixie, spinning sets, etc.). Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 22:45:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11051 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:45:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25949 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:53:45 -0700 Received: from r79a006587aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.178.150] helo=funazs) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ofYC-0001Kq-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:53:48 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01bfb8aa$4d022300$96b27ad1@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Reply-To: "Mike Furnari" From: "Mike Furnari" To: References: <4.3.1.20000507235348.00b6f100@pop.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Andrew's Nemesis Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 01:00:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ok..first of all i think his video and his post were both meant to be jokes. i will now tell you exactly how he pulled this stunt off he taped himself just doing the motions.. no hack involved then he added in the footbag later, making an almost sorta kinda good looking video just to prove my theory this is his video of the nemesis http://members.xoom.com/NemesisDS/multimedia/nemesis2.gif and this video of his ripwalk usins the same exact ball flight movement http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/NemesisDS/multimedia/ripwalk.gif Mike Furnari From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun May 7 22:53:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11088 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:53:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f204.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.204]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA27377 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:44:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 30951 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2000 05:43:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000508054346.30950.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.148.183.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 May 2000 22:43:46 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.183.120] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: colinyc@mc.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Top quality footbags Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 01:43:46 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freestylers. Colin Larson recently commented on how a "good" expensive bag can sometimes be less responsive than a cheap bag. My reply is this: there is no one uber-brand of shoe or footbag for this sport. Different kickers have different preferences and needs from their equipment. Red Husted and Jason Crook have been able to shred really hard using Nike cross-trainer style shoes. At the Philly Open a guy called Garrett tried to break the world record for consecutive kicks using old beat up generic sneakers and an old worn in Sipa Sipa. My bag of choice is Paul Mestas' 4 panel Revolution Sand bag, which usually goes for around $6. (insert advertisment here) Personally, I can do any trick just as easily with a Mestas 4 panel sand that i can do with a broken in carol bag, and the 4 panels are more durable, and don't require breaking in. So if you are asking for a recommendation of what a cheap and good bag is, I say get a Sandbag from Paul Mestas. If you are making the point that kickers can have different equipment preferences, then I also agree with you. Do keep in mind though that some footbags have a long breaking-in period, and that you shouldn't get discouraged too early. And props to Red for hitting the new 7. You're the Bannister of our sport. CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 8 07:43:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13176 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 07:43:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Ariel Santesteban Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29001 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 23:41:24 -0700 Received: from knuckles.excite.com ([199.172.148.179]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000508064058.EAKD6480.fortune.excite.com@knuckles.excite.com> for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 23:40:58 -0700 Message-ID: <25957204.957768058699.JavaMail.imail@knuckles.excite.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 23:40:58 -0700 (PDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] rakes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 143.166.99.242 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adam Mrosko wrote: > I have a question about rakes. What exactly is a rake? [stuff deleted] Derric Scalf wrote: > I think you are talking about a cross body rake. When the initial > contact is made in the cross body position, you get an extra ADD. So, a > cross body rake is three ADDs and a regular rake is just two. Hello everybody, I just wanted to add my 2 cents on the x-body rake thing. I think this is a cool move, but I don't see why it gets a cross body add. Every other move has to end in the x-body to get the add. Why is this move special? Imagine a reverse eclipse. This is a move I have never seen, but I think would be a worthy move, even though it would be "cheated" by the add system. If you can't imagine what this move would be, it would go like this: Jump and catch the bag in a flying clipper stall. Before you land, bring the non-catching foot, up and over the other foot. Release the bag from an inside stall before you land. Would this move get a cross-body add? I don't know, but it seems just as difficult as eclipse. And it begins cross-body, just like x-body rake. Hop-over gets x-body, but what about hop-back (the reverse of hop-over)? So, I would like some input from other list members. Do you think a move has to end in x-body to get the add? Do certain moves get excepted from this, and if so which moves? I have provided some examples of other tricks that should be considered for this exemption as well. Thanks for reading Ariel Austin Style Footbag Club (TX) _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 8 07:44:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13187 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 07:44:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f166.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.166]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA00789 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 02:38:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 14272 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 2000 09:38:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000508093819.14271.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.101 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 May 2000 02:38:19 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.101] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Andrew's Nemesis Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 02:38:19 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi List, > After looking and intensively examining Andrew McCargar's nemesis. I > noticed something real funky about it. Amazing that this caused any conversation, so I confess, as many of you have guessed no I haven't ever hit nemesis, it was meant as a joke which I never expected anyone to take so seriously. Now I suppose if I ever do hit it, no one will believe me (the boy who cried nemesis :) For anyone who's interested, to accomplish this feat I filmed a paradon and then reversed it and stitched the two halves together. The arc looks kind of funky because otherwise the bag would go out of frame. The ripwalk was filmed separately (and is authentically funkey looking). I'm still just learning how to do animated gifs, so I assure all, subsequent ones will look more convincing. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 8 14:49:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15746 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:49:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f43.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.43]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13166 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:48:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 99266 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2000 22:48:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000507224800.99265.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.189.152.95 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 May 2000 15:48:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.95] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] is this a move? Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 18:48:00 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just busted a move by accident and I'd like to know if it's named yet. here it is: TOE>SAME IN[DEX]>SAME OSIS[BOD][XBD][DEL] This seems to me as a pixie to same osis and I was just wondering if there was an official name yet. It also seems to me that it would be a 4 ADD move. *=SnakeEyes=* Mike Del Borrello From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon May 8 20:51:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16577 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 May 2000 20:51:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31116 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:35:23 -0700 Received: from