From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 1 06:37:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06227 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:37:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10946 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:34:30 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:32:13 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFCB47.BA9E0D20@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:32:32 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFCB47.BA9E0D20@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: <20000526164238.79010.qmail@hotmail.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] routines Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:32:30 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I saw Rob Reifer responded to Kavin's question about building a routine. Personally I really like what Rob had to say and would like to add a bit. In general routines take an enormous amount of stamina which shred doesn't necessarily require. Therefore, if you're not physically ready when you go out you will be in for a rude awakening around the 30 second to 1 minute mark. Spend some time of every session practicing long strings exclusively. Similar to what Bob said I suggest you get the song you like... if possible edit it to get the 1:30 or 2:00 minutes out of it you want... kick to it at least a couple times every time you kick. For the first couple weeks you will have to spend more time on your routine til you start hitting it. You can plan it ahead of time or let it unfold as you practice. Execution is key. Save most of your cutting edge for shred. Nerves will most likely hit like you've never imagined when you go out to compete so... Take your bread and butter to your routine. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 1 06:39:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06243 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:39:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f110.hotmail.com [216.32.181.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA06824 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:28:42 -0700 Received: (qmail 80762 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2000 02:27:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000601022742.80761.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <15620290.959803945005.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Received: from 64.20.56.237 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:27:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [64.20.56.237] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:27:41 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Yacine (Yax!!!) wrote: >We'll never know who THE best is because there is no such thing. It's > >really personnal - you decide who you like the most. True, very true. Freestyle is just that. It's Free "Style" and we all have our own style of playing the sport. I mean, sure you can look at tournament results and see who's won the most in the open division but really, tourneys don't mean jack! Some people choke on their routines and some don't. Check out vids, then come to Vancouver this summer and decide for yourself. The Mouse P.S. My fav shredders have got to be Ryan and Eric. (Watch me get snubbed at Worlds by the other guys now.) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 1 06:40:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06276 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:40:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Ariel Santesteban Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06351 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:12:20 -0700 Received: from knuckles.excite.com ([199.172.148.179]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000601021135.FACM12509.kuku.excite.com@knuckles.excite.com> for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:11:35 -0700 Message-ID: <11742417.959825495661.JavaMail.imail@knuckles.excite.com> In-Reply-To: <34.5d7c56b.2666027b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:11:35 -0700 (PDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 143.166.99.251 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 31 May 2000 01:51:55 EDT, Evan Edmondson wrote: > Who is the best freestyler as of now? It is Austin Sparks. I went to Westerns to check him out for myself, and he made a believer out of me. Ariel Santesteban Austin Style Footbag Club _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 1 06:42:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06291 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:42:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f124.hotmail.com [216.32.181.124]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA03821 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 18:05:42 -0700 Received: (qmail 60585 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2000 01:04:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000601010439.60584.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.211.46 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2000 18:04:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.211.46] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:04:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yacine Merzouk wrote: >We'll never know who THE best is because there is no such thing. It's >really personnal - you decide who you like the most. Watch vids. Go to >tournaments. My favorites are Chad and Rippin. If I watch a vid and >one of them's on it. They pump me up so much I have to go outside and >school! Yeah, I agree with that statement entirely, I don't think there is a way to find out who is best exactly, unless someone is far and away better than everyone else, because everyone has their off days. Like you I have some favorites that I love to watch on video, guys like The Regulator, Irish, Chad (he's got the coolest nickname), Rippin' and a whole bunch of others. I guess you could say whoever wins the open worlds freestyle competitions is the best, since that is the biggest tournament. Cole http://www.footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 01:55:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09298 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:55:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA31941 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:04:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 1741 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2000 01:03:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602010339.1740.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <11742417.959825495661.JavaMail.imail@knuckles.excite.com> Received: from [63.78.45.118] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 18:03:39 PDT Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:03:39 -0700 (PDT) From: ERiC WiNDSoR Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle To: Ariel Santesteban Cc: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Ariel Santesteban wrote: > > > Who is the best freestyler as of now? > > It is Austin Sparks. I went to Westerns to check him > out for myself, and he > made a believer out of me. > > Ariel Santesteban I would definitely have to agree with you on this one Ariel. His level of skill for a twelve year old is untouched. His potential is far greater than anyone I've ever met. If you don't believe me ask anyone who was at Westerns. May I remind folks that Austin's Dad bought his lavers only a day before Westerns and he was kicking the whole weekend in lavers that were not broken in. What will he be hitting in a month from now after his Lavers are totally broken in? He hit his first whirl ever at Westerns on Saturday after a little schooling from your's truely. The next day of the competition he was busting them in the middle of his runs (I was so proud). I know many people that took a very long time to learn whirl and this kid did it in one day. Not only that, he kicked butt in the intermediate freestyle competition. (Way to go Austin for having the courage to compete at such a young age). Austin is no joke. You'r going to be blown away at Worlds. I think for people to truely reach the next level is to know about the sport at a young age. I didn't even know how to do an around the world until age 18. I wish I would have been 2nd place intermediate at twelve years old. The point is....... everybody please give your cheap players packet bags to the little kids out there and shred for them while your at it. Many times have I been kicking and a family with a couple of kids will walk by. The kid's eyes are always glued to our session while the parents are dragging them by the hand saying "okay lets go," not even paying attention to our game. Just my opinion -Windsor P.S. since everone is on the subject of who their most favorite styler to watch is I will put mine in order of most favorite. 1. Rippin 2. Lon Smith 3. Executioner 4. Iron man 5. Torch Woa, that took a long time to think about. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 04:18:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10108 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 04:18:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02682 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:40:43 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:38:26 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFCC00.FC0C6400@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:38:39 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFCC00.FC0C6400@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: <20000531162449.24143.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Western Regional & Women Freestylers Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:38:37 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all... Jane wrote... >I hope any women >freestylers on this list plan on representing our >endangered bracket in Vancouver this August! I am going to put out my opinion here and it is NOT shared by my wife Carol. Carol would be doing everyone a bit of an injustice if she was to compete in anything but the open bracket. She is and Open competitor... man or woman has nothing to do with it. >Hey, I'll be at European Championships in July...who >else is going? I sure hope you're going to be at worlds Jane. I for one was expecting you at westerns and so was Carol... :( Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 04:20:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10131 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 04:20:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f175.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.175]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA03038 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:51:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 79636 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2000 02:50:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602025014.79635.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <34.5d7c56b.2666027b@aol.com> Received: from 205.189.152.11 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:50:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.11] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:50:14 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "The best" is sort of the wrong statement to use I think. "The best" will NEVER be decided because everyone has their own opinions. However, the "most talented" should be clearly known. Now, I think we can all agree that Kenny was, and may still be, the most innovative/inventive/stylish/variety-filled/high-staminad/high-endurenced/high-chorrismad player yet, but again, with all of these other freestylers like Ryan, Scott, Eric, Peter, Tuan, Ahren etc., there's just no telling in actuality, who the "most talented" is. But I think it's very important to consider all aspects of their game other than JUST style and the crazy moves they can bust. But think how amazing it would be for a player to just all-of-a-sudden come out to the worlds, and blow everyone away with an extensive, long-ass, technical shred. My personal "favorite" or idol player right now (from what I've seen (based on all the attributes stated above)) would have to be Ryan. Now, he lacks in my opinion one of these aspects but there is no way in hell that I'm gonna say what it is, 'cause I basically have no right to 'cause I suck, but other than that, he's my personal favorite. *please: no weopons to be used when bashing the @#!* out of what I just said :) o o \_/ Mike D | A.K.A. :(SNAKEeYES): ^ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 04:31:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10237 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 04:31:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA10234 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 04:31:24 -0700 Received: from fep2.excitehome.net (fep2.excitehome.net [24.0.26.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05413 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:00:52 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] by fep2.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000602040018.DKYR26825.fep2.excitehome.net@[24.16.24.8]> for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:00:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000602025014.79635.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000602025014.79635.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:00:52 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:50 PM -0400 6/1/00, Mike Del Borrello wrote: >...would have to be Ryan. Now, he lacks in my opinion one of these aspects I think we need to nip this part of the thread in the bud: Sorry, folks, but it's just not cool to talk on this list about how we feel about individual players (whether they're on the list or not, whether the comments are positive or not). The question "who is the best" is simply illegitimate and while everyone has their opinions, this e-mail discussion list is not a popularity contest nor a poll. And it's certainly not a forum for picking apart the qualities of particular players or putting players on a pedestal. We're all the best at this sport, and which heroes we worship is a very personal issue for each of us. This list is a forum for discussing the sport itself. Sure, we can point to players and talk about things they do, but this particular thread feels to me like it's risking seriously offending certain players for no real benefit. Please let's discuss general issues around this thread, and not go into listing all our favorite (and least favorite) players, or making other value judgments about their style, technical ability, or personalities. It's just not cool. Thanks. Steve P.S. This is my opinion as a list member, not as a moderator. Brian is the moderator; I'm not saying he should kill the thread, but I do want to raise this issue because I feel certain players are close to being offended if they haven't already been by this discussion, and that bothers me. Thanks for listening. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 05:46:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10453 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:46:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07383 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:12:14 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.201.180]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FVI00GJKGXJ63@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:08:05 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] Double Sided To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <001b01bfcc50$8b03df40$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hung out with Chad D. at SFO airport on Monday night after Western Regional. We were talking about different styles and becoming equal on both sides (ambifootdexterous :c). Of course, some obvious drills are clipper > clipper > op clipper > clipper etc. and same with butterfly once I get my clippers down. I was hoping that a few of you would be able to send me some other drills that are made to bring my style to equilibrium. In other words, make me even on both sides. Thanks! Also, I think that there should be a drill section on footbag.org. I don't mean, "Hey make a drill section!" I mean, "You know what would be a good resource?" aNyWaY... There could be clipper drills and other neat ones. I remember some were posted on the list before... a particular example comes to mind, a beginner's drill: toe > atw > mirage > legover (now on other foot)> atw > mirage > legover and repeat. I know that I would utilize a section like this and I think it would help make newer players become more consistent. BTW, Western Regional was awesome. The players were all helpful to us newbies, and the atmosphere was great. Thanks Steve for all your hard work. Oh and you should have seen Carol's run. DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMN! -Sam Colclough From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 15:50:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11430 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:50:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com [207.46.181.30]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12718; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:07:22 -0700 Received: from czpwa - 207.94.119.88 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:06:09 -0700 Message-ID: <008301bfcc72$5c430f60$58775ecf@czpwa> From: "Richard Reese" To: , "Steve Goldberg" Cc: References: <20000602025014.79635.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:10:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Steve, Lighten up man. I look at all the stuff on this list and was pretty entertained by this subject. I do have to say that I'm very thankful and honered by having my name mentioned on this subject. I will repeat the age old adage, you're your own worst critic, therefore, I will say also that I am not the best, not even close, once upon a time, maybe, but not lately. The best is definitely a relative term so I will give everyone a quick run-down of my opinion. Having an extensive vocabulary (Kenny always used to say it that way) , in other words,wide variety, long strings, consistancy,creativity, and sealing ability are some of the best things to look for in a shredder. Is it Ryan? Maybe. Is it Chad? Maybe. How about Peter, Eric, Brian, Ahren, Sunil, Dave, Lon, Tuan, Daryl, Carol, Austin...... Scott, Eli, Tu, Red, Eric Wi ., Need I go on, we are all the best, ( yea, in certain circles). Kenny is my hero, But I think all you guys are awesome,including many I did'nt list. So keep pushing the limits everybody, because this sport rules! You're not so bad either BRAT. See yall at Worlds. Rippin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Goldberg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle > At 10:50 PM -0400 6/1/00, Mike Del Borrello wrote: > >...would have to be Ryan. Now, he lacks in my opinion one of these aspects > > I think we need to nip this part of the thread in the bud: > > Sorry, folks, but it's just not cool to talk on this list about how > we feel about individual players (whether they're on the list or not, > whether the comments are positive or not). [...] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 15:53:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11459 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:53:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA13251 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:22:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 43400 invoked by alias); 2 Jun 2000 08:22:17 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 43385 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2000 08:22:17 -0000 Received: from wdialup155.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.160.142.155) by dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Jun 2000 08:22:17 -0000 Message-ID: <39376E9C.FAE9A7E1@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 02:21:48 -0600 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Rod Laver arches Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does anyone else find that the arch in Lavers is very high and confining? I hope mine will stretch and break in because they're killing my feet. Now I've worn them and can't send them back for a larger size. M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 15:56:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11482 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:56:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21468 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:20:06 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:19:36 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000602010339.1740.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:19:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric Windsor wrote: "The point is....... everybody please give your cheap players packet bags to the little kids out there and shred for them while your at it." I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. For younger potential players, it doesn't take much encouragement sometimes for them to get much more interested. A free bag from a player is just the type of thing to hook these kids. I started by giving all my younger cousins a sipa, and then usually try to carry an old bag with me to give to anyone that even raises an eyebrow. Sometimes I will even print off a couple of quick and easy word documents describing what the hell we are doing-- I leave them next to where we play, and every now and again someone will pick one up... spreads the web address around etc. Good call Eric! Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 15:57:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11495 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:57:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f227.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.227]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA22254 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:55:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 13495 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2000 12:54:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602125421.13494.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.98 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 05:54:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.98] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Injury Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 05:54:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi List, I got the weirdest injury playing yesterday. The little bulge just above my heal started hurting, but only after I'd stopped playing. I was kicking with some new players and didn't want to bore them with my 25 min warm up, which probably didn't help. Now when ever I put any pressure on my foot, or try to raise it get a shooting pain from that little boney protrusion. Anyone know what causes this? I'd almost say it sounds like a stress fracture, but I'm really light on my feet. And because I just love mixing topics... I kicked with a player who started less than a week ago and had basically only played alone. First what blew me away was that he could use both feet, toe, inside and outside and control the bag enough to pass every time. I showed him how to do a toe stall, which he picked up in a few minutes. I then showed him atw and clipper, which he managed to do off of a pass after controlling the bag. He also managed to do leg overs, both sides. He was kicking with a supper bad hacky sack so I gave him a real bag. Manuel, you are the man. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 15:58:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11521 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:58:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24928 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:16:41 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:16:11 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01bfcc50$8b03df40$9b66fea9@billy> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Sided Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:16:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sam Colcough wrote: "Also, I think that there should be a drill section on footbag.org." I think this is a good idea too. I would definitely use that resource to strengthen my game etc. Maybe we don't need a new section though, but could just begin to add drills into the "tips" section for each move. For instance, under the tips for the clipper stall, someone could insert clipper drills. Quick aside: Is the general opinion that only absolute experts should post tips in the "tips" section? OR is it alright for anyone to post there, as long as they make sure to state their skill level or something like that (the reason I say this is because if I have ideas on how to best hit say torque, I should maybe temper my tip by saying that I am not the best "torque hitter" ever.. or something like that.) Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 18:18:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12314 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:18:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.18]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA30674 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:54:04 -0700 Received: (qmail 86854 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2000 16:53:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602165301.86853.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000602125421.13494.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.50 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:53:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.50] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: damocles_schwert@hotmail.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Injury Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 12:53:01 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Andrew, i've got that very same thingy above my heel, and it's KILLING ME!!! i stopped playing for 3 weeks, hoping it would heal - and it did, partially. but now if i skool for a few days in a row, it begins hurting again. i went and got those callous cushions to put on it, and they DO help somewhat. what helped more than that (and also helped my game) was loosening the lacing. so if anyone has any tips for Andrew, please CC them to me as well. thank yoU! Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 18:43:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12412 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:43:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f84.hotmail.com [216.32.181.84]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00982 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:09:58 -0700 Received: (qmail 79774 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2000 18:08:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602180859.79773.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from 154.5.61.230 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 11:08:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [154.5.61.230] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Sided Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:08:58 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Bob wrote: >Quick aside: Is the general opinion that only absolute experts should >post tips in the "tips" section? OR is it alright for anyone to post >there, as long as they make sure to state their skill level or something >like that. Hmmmm. Interesting question but I believe that anyone SHOULD post. This is one of the privileges of being a member in the footbag community, no? I also believe however, that posting a tip on a move that you do not seal into your shred on a regular basis in a no-no. It's pretty much getting that message to the other players that will make the tip section a great place to learn and like I posted earlier, please post tips to the site if you haven't already. Thanks. The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 19:06:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12554 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 19:06:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01691 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:28:47 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:28:17 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000602180859.79773.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Sided Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:28:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mickey Mayer wrote: "I also believe however, that posting a tip on a move that you do not seal into your shred on a regular basis is a no-no." Hi again- I agree with this in a sense. It is not good to post tips or drills that seem to be of an expert opinion, but are really being forwarded by someone who has never hit the move they are making suggestions about. On the other hand, there may be valuable observations made by players that cannot hit a move, so tempering their suggestion with something like "I'm not expert, but I noticed that I come close to hitting whatever move when I..." might be a good way to get their input, but also avoid disillusioning readers. For example, my girlfriend cannot even hit a toe stall yet (we're working on it though!!) and her observations have helped me a lot with moves like ripwalk, and smear. OK, that's about it for now. Bob Riefer PS- And like Mickey notes in his last message-- add those tips in!! I'm reading them and so are others.. so don't think your efforts are fruitless ;-) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 19:44:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12646 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 19:44:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from outercourt.com (mail.compuweb.com [206.233.204.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28723 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:08:02 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:14:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200006021214.AA19071668@outercourt.com> In-Reply-To: <20000602125421.13494.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Laird Smith" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Injury X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In response to Andrew McCargar's "mixed" subjects email: It was interesting that you first discuss an injury. Then you go on to talk about a new kicker who had balanced control after a week whom you then went on to teach stalling moves to. Training someone is more than showing him a set of techniques that you personnaly ascribe to and in fact were just injured by. Training is giving them a basic understanding of basic kicking (not stalling) moves so that they continue in a balanced fashion to kick the footbag, not stop it in lots of contorted ways. Just another view from someone who appreciates all kinds of freestyle and feels there is a lack of true basic training for basic kicking in a non-injurious fashion that accomodates all types of freestyle kicking. Laird Smith From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 20:03:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12726 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 20:03:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (mail.cgocable.net [24.226.1.11]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04120 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:21:55 -0700 Received: from [24.150.5.193] (cogeco-150-5-193.cgocable.net [24.150.5.193]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.10.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e52JMOD19174 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:22:24 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:19:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Rod Laver arches From: Neil Bearse To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39376E9C.FAE9A7E1@uswest.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org on 6/2/00 4:21 AM, Matt Wafaie at mattius@uswest.net wrote: > Does anyone else find that the arch in Lavers is very high > and confining? I hope mine will stretch and break in > because they're killing my feet. Now I've worn them and > can't send them back for a larger size. IF youre talking about the arch supports that come in the lavers, just rip em out. take out the insole, and then take out that little foam wedge support. Neil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 20:03:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12737 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 20:03:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (mail.cgocable.net [24.226.1.11]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04560 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:30:11 -0700 Received: from [24.150.5.193] (cogeco-150-5-193.cgocable.net [24.150.5.193]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.10.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e52JUaD26204 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:30:36 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:27:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Injury From: Neil Bearse To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000602125421.13494.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org on 6/2/00 8:54 AM, Andrew McCargar at damocles_schwert@hotmail.com wrote: > > I got the weirdest injury playing yesterday. The little bulge just above my > heal started hurting, but only after I'd stopped playing. I was kicking with > some new players and didn't want to bore them with my 25 min warm up, which > probably didn't help. Now when ever I put any pressure on my foot, or try to > raise it get a shooting pain from that little boney protrusion. Anyone know > what causes this? I'd almost say it sounds like a stress fracture, but I'm > really light on my feet. yeah, i know this problem. ive got it too. The sheath around your achilles tendon can swell, right at the insertion point into the calcaneous. Some people are unlucky in the 'build' of their feet, and are more prone to this problem than others. It is prevalent in jumping sports, like Volleyball and basketball, and of course footbag. The fact that Lavers have very little support doesnt help the situation either. Make sure to always stretch!!! I ignored this prob for about a year....and the soreness turned into a nice bump on the back of my heel... i thought it was a bonespur... but its just what doctors call 'a pump bump' (named after women who wear high heel shoes and get the same prob). now i get laser treatment on it every 3 weeks or so... and its finally starting to go away :P SO make sure to stretch... its a bitch if you let it go -NEiL From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 3 06:41:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14195 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 06:41:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f26.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.26]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA06439 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:13:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 44011 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2000 20:12:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602201234.44010.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <39376E9C.FAE9A7E1@uswest.net> Received: from 209.161.62.11 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 13:12:34 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.161.62.11] From: "jim penske" To: mattius@uswest.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Rod Laver arches Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 20:12:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ya i just got my lavers and agree with you the arch is very high and seems to dig into my foot. but after i kick in them for a while i seem to get used to it. keep kickin. Jim >From: "Matt Wafaie" >Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Rod Laver arches >Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 02:21:48 -0600 > >Does anyone else find that the arch in Lavers is very high >and confining? I hope mine will stretch and break in >because they're killing my feet. Now I've worn them and >can't send them back for a larger size. > >M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 3 06:42:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14205 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 06:42:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA12878 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:06:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 10726 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2000 22:05:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602220551.10725.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <001b01bfcc50$8b03df40$9b66fea9@billy> Received: from [63.14.207.183] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:05:51 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:05:51 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Sided To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Sam Colclough wrote: > drills that are made to bring my style to > equilibrium. In other words, > make me even on both sides. Drills rock! some warmups drills i use are: 1)butterfly> butterfly> osis> repeat 2)butterfly> butterfly> pdx mirage> repeat 3)butterfly> spinning clip> butterfly> spinning clip> repeat some drills I do when feelling phat: 1)stepping butterfly> ripwalk> repeat 2)blur> pixie butterfly> repeat 3)blur> paradon> repeat Hope it helps. Later Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 3 06:43:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14225 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 06:43:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13452 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:20:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 16789 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2000 22:19:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602221941.16788.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000602165301.86853.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from [63.14.207.183] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:19:41 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Injury To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Stan Sagalovskiy wrote: > so if anyone has any tips for Andrew, please CC them > to me as well. > thank yoU! Ive got a great tip! How about, get this, this is a good one, WARMING UP! Warm up before you shred. You dont wanna pick up a bag and start hitting superflys all over the place! Your gonna kill yourself! Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 03:47:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18433 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:47:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [199.174.199.231] (user-33qthv7.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.199.231]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA26484 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dwarven@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 23:46:37 -0700 To: freestyle@list.footbag.org From: Dave Florey Subject: [freestyle] Warming up Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, A common (and reasonable) solution suggested to many of the problems mentioned lately has been a warm-up routine before you shred. I'm an EXTREMELY new player (one week) without even consistent kicks yet, so I don't have the physical problems many of you seem to be afflicted with yet. What kind of warm-up do any of you suggest to help keep these problems to a minimum? Thanks a lot. -Dave Florey PS: Obviously, I haven't been a list member all that long, so if you guys have gotten this question many times before, perhaps some warm up suggestions could be put up on footbag.org (just a suggestion) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 03:47:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18438 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:47:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1001.mail.yahoo.com (web1001.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.91]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA22516 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:19:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 15714 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2000 09:19:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000604091907.15713.qmail@web1001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.212.201.83] by web1001.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:19:07 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:19:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahren Gehrman Subject: [freestyle] Props To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey yo. I know Steve doesn't want the list to be a popularity contest, but I was just reading the best freestyler thread, and wanted to give some props to my favorite stylers. My four favorite freestylers of all time. 1. Kenny Shults - The greatest footbag player of all time. The most legendary for sure. My ass still has scars from his lavers. I will never, EVER have more respect for anybody in this sport than the Enforcer. If you don't know who he is, and you are serious about this sport, I dare you too ever do another toe stall before finding out who Kenny Shults is. 2 and 3. Tie Peter Irish, and Rippin Rick Reese. I have no idea how Peter keeps so thin when he eats pure butter for breakfast every morning. And Rippin, more than half of every move I can do, you are responsible for. The first time I ever saw you shred, I said to myself that I would never be able to do what that man can do. And I still can't. Every move you do is as close to perfection as you can get. 4. Tim Kelly The Stickman had more style than Sinatra. Enough said. Torch From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 03:54:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18517 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:54:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f173.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.173]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA00731 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:56:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 5470 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2000 16:55:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000604165540.5469.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.189.152.11 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 09:55:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.11] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] symp butterfly? Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 12:55:40 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello, here's my question: when I tried to do a pixe butterfly, I had trouble planting before the butterfly, so I skipped the plant and just sorta hopped my leg over the bag. The best way to describe this is saying that it looked like a pixe-symposium-butterfly. Now I know that there isn't a move like that so I kinda want to know what in Gods name I AM doing. o o \_/ Mike D | A.K.A. :(SNAKEeYES): ^ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 03:56:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18543 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:56:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f6.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07320 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:20:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 28584 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2000 20:19:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000604201921.28583.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200006021214.AA19071668@outercourt.com> Received: from 141.84.69.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 13:19:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.17] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Injury Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 13:19:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Laird Smith wrote: >Training someone is more than showing him a set of techniques that you >personnaly ascribe to and in fact were just injured by. Training is giving >them a basic understanding of basic kicking (not stalling) moves so that >they continue in a balanced fashion to kick the footbag, not stop it in >lots of contorted ways. Ummmm, ahhhhem I personally beileve that when "training" a new player one should first teach them control, basic control moves. Learn to make the bag go where you want it to, then go from there. If you know clipper stall then flying clipper or clipper kick are cake, if you learn clipper kick first you'll have the damndest time getting the bag to stop on your foot and an even harder time to link it. Clipper kick is a lot harder to control, therefore I'd rather teach it later. However I'm willing to teach people what ever they want to learn, what ever is fun for them. I also showed him: sole kick, heal stall, dragon fly, dragon, flying butterfly, blurry dragon fly, blurriest, and so on. He asked me for help with toe stall and atw, and I tried to teach him some other basic moves. I´ve also gotten a lot of compliments on how beautiful stalling moves look. >Just another view from someone who appreciates all kinds of freestyle and >feels there is a lack of true basic training for basic kicking in a >non-injurious fashion that accomodates all types of freestyle kicking. You know it's interesting but the most strains, shin/knee pain I get are from kicking with newbies in the park working on my kicking/flying moves. I try to help new players play in a fasion that will give them control and let them have fun, but I have never tried to force my own ajenda on anyone else, I teach them what they want to learn. I do a fair mixture of stalling kicking, and down right contortion, and you know what? all the skaters I know are jealous of my ancle flexablilty. You apreaciate all kinds of freestyle? then a little tolerance of other who enjoy something else thank you. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 03:56:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18554 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:56:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f311.hotmail.com [216.32.180.165]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08991 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:09:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 54529 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2000 21:08:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000604210831.54528.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.193.187 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:08:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.193.187] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] BAP ... Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:08:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, First off, summer is upcoming, which means major shredding, I can't wait! Now, for my question. I know that the Big Add Posse is a group of the worlds most elite freestylers, but I have two questions. One, who all is in the BAP? Secondly, who is it that decides whether or not someone can be in the BAP, and what does someone have to do to get in? Thanks in advance ... Cole http://footbag.cjb.net (Just updated! Check it out :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 03:57:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18583 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:57:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f232.hotmail.com [209.185.131.49]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA09224 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:18:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 16225 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2000 21:17:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20000604211712.16224.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000531162449.24143.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from 140.186.114.151 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:17:12 PDT X-Originating-IP: [140.186.114.151] From: "melissa schneider" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Western Regional & Women Freestylers Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:17:12 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Cheers to jane, well put. i'm looking forward to kicking in a circle of all women at worlds, who's going to be there??????---and meeting some new faces, for some of the women jane mentioned i don't know. Lets have a better turn out than last year, i think it was seven competitors. I'm getting excited to see you all in august(women and men)!!!!! until then Happy kicking mel From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 03:59:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18600 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:59:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18247 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:52:28 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id z.15.4af62c6 (8976) for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15.4af62c6.266c6196@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:51:18 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Shoe Gallery To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, I've noticed some really neat-o shoe designs at the footbag tournaments that I've been to (example: ask windsen pan [phoetoid34@aol.com] to see his shoe picture that he scanned) and I think a cool thing for some of the larger footbag webpages, or maybe one of the smaller ones, would be a shoe-art gallery kinda thing where different players could show off their shoe mods that DON'T require a razor blade. I've seen tiger stripes, embroidery, adidas stripes drawn in, and so on and so forth, and I personally like to see the different designs. Thoughts? Matthew Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 04:16:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18888 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 04:16:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21532 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:33:37 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000605033309.XHPE5950.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:33:09 -0700 Message-ID: <393B206F.E8E3B11D@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 22:37:19 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] symp butterfly? References: <20000604165540.5469.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mike Del Borrello wrote: > > here's my question: > > when I tried to do a pixe butterfly, I had trouble planting before the > butterfly, so I skipped the plant and just sorta hopped my leg over the bag. Unless you are doing it really clean, you are probably doing a pixie refraction. The difference between butterfly and refraction is the location of your foot when you catch the bag. For a butterfly, you have to have your foot in the x-body position and moving straight up and down - no lateral motion. A refraction is done by scooping the bag into a cross-body position. I always catch my refractions right under the knee of my support leg while the catching foot is moving to the cross body position. So, basically, if your clipper foot is moving sideways during the delay, it isn't a butterfly - it is a refraction. Now, about the symposium betterfly... I don't think there can be such a thing. The dex on a butterfly is not "full" enough to warrant an extra ADD for the symposium. Sure, a "symposium" butterfly is harder than a regular butterfly, but so what? A "symposium" blender is harder than a regular blender, but it doesn't get the ADD either. ADDs are not difficulty and a little hop isn't always symposium. Of course, this last paragraph is all opinion. I'm sure others disagree. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 04:20:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18914 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 04:20:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21558 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:34:12 -0700 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id z.7b.4f4af2f (3983) for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7b.4f4af2f.266c7977@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:33:11 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Blurry Dragonfly And Legbeater To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Can anyone give me the job notation's for a Blurry Dragonfly? Also can anyone give me some advice on doing a paradox legbeater and regular legbeater. I can almost do the paradox legbeater but (and like the regular one) i'm always to late for the second dexerity. -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 06:05:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19275 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 06:05:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Brian Parsons Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24011 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:58:30 -0700 Received: from TrollJr22@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id z.a9.6750454 (4005) for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:57:27 EDT Subject: [freestyle] advice on paradox drifter To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does anyone have any good advice on how to do a paradox drifter? I have been practicing it for a little while and everyone time the beg hits the ground just before my foot gets into the clipper posistion. Is there any secret to this move or is it just one you have to practice? Thanks, Brian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 23:43:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22054 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:43:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA26501 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:42:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 17917 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2000 06:41:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000605064143.17916.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.221] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 23:41:43 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:41:43 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] My Favorite Styler To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Everyone else is talking bout thier fav stylers. So why cant I??? Steve Goldberg- If it wasent for his nice work on footbag.org I wouldent have discoverd the phat vids. Peter Irish- Is a VERY close second. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 23:44:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22070 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:44:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04313 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 05:37:50 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna15.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.26]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA41372 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:37:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000605073253.00ab4120@email.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 07:37:41 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: Re: [freestyle] advice on paradox drifter In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brian Parsons wrote: >Does anyone have any good advice on how to do a paradox drifter? I have been >practicing it for a little while and everyone time the beg hits the ground >just before my foot gets into the clipper posistion. Is there any secret to >this move or is it just one you have to practice? I personally have never hit this trick, but one of the guys I school with (Scott Bevier of the PSU Trio) has hit it a couple of times. He said that what helped him get the timing of the trick down was to dial up toe-drifters (toe > op in > same clip). I've noticed this is the case with a lot of moves. . .find an easier variation of it to work on the timing. Alex (Integer of the PSU Trio) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 23:47:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22098 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:47:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f208.hotmail.com [209.185.130.118]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA05881 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 06:39:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 27122 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2000 13:38:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000605133820.27121.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <393B206F.E8E3B11D@dallasfootbag.org> Received: from 62.157.67.41 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 06:38:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [62.157.67.41] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: derric@dallasfootbag.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] symp butterfly? Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 13:38:20 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i think you mean butterfly and wrap refraction is a wrap with a 360° spin involved fabian Derric Scalf wrote: >The difference between butterfly and refraction is the location of your >foot when you catch the bag. For a butterfly, you have >to have your foot in the x-body position and moving straight up and down - >no lateral motion. A refraction is done by scooping the bag into a >cross-body position. I always catch my refractions right under the knee of >my support leg while the catching foot is moving to > the cross body >position. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 23:48:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22110 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:48:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07456 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:28:24 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id z.b6.5ff1a2e (3879) for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:27:17 EDT Subject: [freestyle] milleniums found To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey guys, good news for those searching for those last pairs of milleniums. i found a place online that is still selling them but i'm not sure how many are left. i jsut ordered a pair. you can find em at www.footaction.com. the down side is that they're $65. so if you need the new lavers, check out that place. thanks, windsen pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 23:49:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22140 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:49:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Cameron Barry Received: from eperke.themail.com (root@eperke.themail.com [216.64.18.11]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24687 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:04:29 -0700 Received: from mail.TheMail.com (mail2.themail.com [216.64.2.25] (may be forged)) by eperke.themail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA41000 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:01:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from freedomfighter@themail.com) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:01:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200006052201.RAA41000@eperke.themail.com> Received-From: mail.TheMail.com To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] 12 and kickin X-Priority: 3 Authorized-User: freedomfighter@TheMail.com IP-Address: 216.221.130.190 Reply-To: freedomfighter@themail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What up ya'll, I've heard this talk about Austin and how he's only 12 and is very solid but i am also 12 and for kickin for less than a half a year hittin almost ALL the 1's and 2's (a few 3's) in strings and i think that footbag has to be the most fun sport ever. The only regret i have is that all the damn tournaments are 5 hours away and more!!!I'm tryin to make it to the fayette thing this weekend but im not sure and i will go to Robs bash and the end of the month. I would progress alot more if some tourneys would be held in New Englands but there hardly is any on the eastside. Peace out kickers P.S.I don't usually hear about some flick-ass strings anymore and i wanna here my fellow footbagers boast. Also i owe a big thanks to Rob for introducing me to people last month at the philly jam. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 6 00:33:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22339 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:33:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28840 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:53:10 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:50:57 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFCF0E.425AC540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:51:13 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFCF0E.425AC540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:51:12 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I haven't seen much on this thread since Steve reiterated that he believes it should not be. I for one think this is a relatively stupid thread. But I still don't think it should be moderated and hope it was not. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 6 01:13:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22508 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:13:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22505 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:13:05 -0700 Received: from adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (mail@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.123.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30801 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:42:19 -0700 Received: from bfk by adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12z7RF-0001Mx-00; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 17:41:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:41:49 -0700 From: "Brian F. Kimball" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Message-ID: <20000605174149.A5175@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> Mail-Followup-To: 'freestyle' References: <01BFCF0E.425AC540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <01BFCF0E.425AC540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; from ewulff@jsishipping.com on Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 04:51:12PM -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 04:51:12PM -0700, Eric Wulff wrote: > I haven't seen much on this thread since Steve reiterated that he believes > it should not be. I for one think this is a relatively stupid thread. But > I still don't think it should be moderated and hope it was not. Nothing was moderated; people just stopped responding to the thread. As soon as I find some time (soon), I plan on explaining in detail the criteria that I use to moderate. In general I only filter out emails that... -contain frequently asked questions or questions that can be easily answered by reading footbag.org/freestyle/ -are completely off-topic -contain _factually_ redundant information (e.g. links to feet.com), as opposed to redundant opinions -have major formatting / technical problems This isn't an exhaustive list so don't complain to me if you've had a post rejected for a reason not listed above. :) Now that I've been moderating for a while I'll say that I'd prefer to have the list police itself when it comes to more subjective matters like whether or not an on-topic discussion should continue. I think this has worked quite nicely with recent issues such as the excessive boasting and fascination with trick names. I really don't think it would be fair if I judged what's "stupid", etc. (well... if it's EXTREMELY stupid I won't post it. :-). -brian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 6 01:37:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22604 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:37:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f61.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29091 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:02:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 3811 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2000 00:01:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000606000125.3810.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from 64.82.68.122 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 17:01:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [64.82.68.122] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: PHoEtOiD34@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] milleniums found Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 20:01:25 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi stylers, I've heard lots of talk about feet.com not having any more millenium lavers, but I ordered a size 7 as late as just one week ago at their $20 price, and I got them in the mail a few days ago. I find that if I just go to the site and look for the new lavers I can't find them, but a while back somebody wrote a post saying just for feet were selling them for $30, and I used the link he provided, and it worked fine. Last I checked (and ordered) they had size 7, and then 8.5 through 12. I'm too lazy to look through the discussion archives to find the link, but I thought I should share on the off chance it'd save somebody some money. On the subject of the new lavers, I am still forming an opinion, but here are some of my thoughts: They definitely are lighter, they are more comfortable, but they are a good deal harder to modify. Without even getting into the issue of whether or not to add a lip to the side, there is more stuff to be cut away. The inside of the shoe has a layer of cloth, then a foam layer, then another layer of cloth, and finally the mesh. I am still getting used to the insteps, which don't feel as "sweet" as the old lavers ( I have not shoo-gooed them yet), and I find the toes a little harder to pixie out of. If you have never worn any kind of lavers and you have a choice between the two, I'd buy the new ones. For those who learned using the old school lavers, it can be tricky (for some, like me) to adjust. Hope to see a bunch of you at worlds! Ken "the ceiling fan" Somolinos PS-I don't think it's too early to start encouraging people to make it to some upcoming tournaments: The Montreal International is a great tourney in a great town. Not only are some of the best net players in the world there, freestyle is emerging big time, and it's a great town to party in with great people. Also, the S.M.U.R.F. event at Bob Riefer's place should be a blast too, so get out there, make some friends, learn some new tricks, and promote the sport! Windsen Pan wrote: >hey guys, > good news for those searching for those last pairs of milleniums. >i found a place online that is still selling them but i'm not sure how >many are left. i jsut ordered a pair. you can find em at >www.footaction.com. the down side is that they're $65. so if you need >the new lavers, check out that place. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 6 01:39:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22619 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:39:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (mx1.magmacom.com [206.191.0.217]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31534 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:59:20 -0700 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10536 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave (port40.magma.ca [206.191.5.40]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA29065 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006201bfce89$139d98c0$0b01010a@dave> In-Reply-To: <01BFCF0E.425AC540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: "Dave Reid" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:57:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric Wulff wrote: >I haven't seen much on this thread since Steve reiterated that he believes >it should not be. I for one think this is a relatively stupid thread. But >I still don't think it should be moderated and hope it was not. > >Eric It doesn't seem like it was moderated. Hats off to Eric Wulff for 1. Killer style 2. Flyers and more flyers 3. Contributing veteran wisdom to this list and of course 4. TRIVIA STYLE :) Who is the best freestyler? Depends on the day, and probably on the hour. IMHO Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 6 06:23:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23349 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 06:23:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA23346 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 06:23:51 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09096 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:53:04 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000606055231.VKHE1079.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.24.8]> for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:52:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BFCF0E.425AC540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> References: <01BFCF0E.425AC540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:53:16 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 4:51 PM -0700 6/5/00, Eric Wulff wrote: >I haven't seen much on this thread since Steve reiterated that he believes >it should not be. For clarity's sake, I didn't say we should stop the thread. I simply said that the aspect introduced by a couple of posts where people started reviewing players' abilities (with negative comments, especially) was inappropriate in my personal and humble opinion. I also made it very clear in my post that I wasn't moderating the list anymore and that my request was just as a list member. Why's it gotta be like dat? :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 7 03:00:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26089 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:00:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA31056 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 05:20:09 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:19:40 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200006052201.RAA41000@eperke.themail.com> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] 12 and kickin Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:19:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Cameron Barry wrote: >I'm tryin to make it to the fayette thing this weekend but im not sure >and i will go to Robs bash and the end of the month. I would progress >alot more if some tourneys would be held in New Englands but there >hardly is any on the eastside. The bash Cameron is talking about here, in case you didn't make the association is the Great Philly SMURF. SMURF stands for the Summer Meeting of Unity Relaxation and Footbag. This is one of the increasingly popular informal footbag gatherings that are more centered on just enjoying ourselves for a weekend, rather than promoting-- a sort of break from the normal wear and tear of always trying to promote, and a warm up for the major tournaments. So far I know of between 20 and 25 folks that are nearly definites on coming-- this includes a strong net contingent from DC, NJ, and PA, as well as freestylers from NYC, DC, PA ad other nearby areas. Check us out if you get a chance-- footbag.org, events listing. On wishing there were tournies in New England... I grew up in CT and have also wondered why there are tournies popping up everywhere besides New England. There are clubs there.. there are players there... Hmmm... Correct me if I'm wrong, or better yet-- someone spite me by holding an event. I'll come and drag some PA players with me!! Oh, and PROPS to Cam. A really rad little dude, with a definite future in footbag. Props to his dad too for carting him around to events! Later on. Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 7 03:01:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26101 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:01:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09596 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:27:56 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id z.57.6a56f09 (4316) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57.6a56f09.266e9c61@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20000606000125.3810.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:26:41 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] milleniums found To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org KeN Somolinos wrote: >I've heard lots of talk about feet.com not having any more millenium lavers, >but I ordered a size 7 as late as just one week ago at their $20 price, and >I got them in the mail a few days ago. I find that if I just go to the site >and look for the new lavers I can't find them, but a while back somebody >wrote a post saying just for feet were selling them for $30, and I used the >link he provided, and it worked fine. Last I checked (and ordered) they had >size 7, and then 8.5 through 12. hey ken, i went to feet.com and they said they are sold out. maybe they still had some a week ago but now they're out. oh well. thanks for the note though windsen From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 7 03:02:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26120 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:02:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f60.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15358 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:47:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 96202 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2000 20:46:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000606204640.96201.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 13:46:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.17] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Blurry Dragonfly And Legbeater Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 13:46:40 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Evan Edmondson asked: >Can can anyone give me some advice on doing a paradox legbeater and >regular legbeater. Um, start with the "regular." Because I can't do the "jedi" style the hippy style: It's all about the set. You really have to start the dex as you're setting, i.e. as you jump to set the bag jump off your plant leg. By the time you plant your set leg you should already be just about over the bag. The motion is really diagonal (or quarter eliptical), to get around the bag you´re pulling your set knee almost on line with your opp hip. Then as you begin to come down again pull your leg back at an angle and plant. The trick: keep your knee bent, and try to keep your foot in the same vertical line. As soon as you plant the dex leg hop off again and into a b-fly. And for the dietys' sakes stretch your hips first, when you first start hitting it, the motion is really violent. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 7 03:04:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26138 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:04:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f145.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.145]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA16085 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:04:24 -0700 Received: (qmail 32635 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2000 21:03:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000606210321.32634.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:03:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.17] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] advice on paradox drifter Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:03:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brian Parsons asked: >Does anyone have any good advice on how to do a paradox drifter? ... >Is there any secret to this move or is it just one you have to >practice? I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. but then again there's already is a video demonstration and a tip posted at footbag WorldWide, Well alright, I mean none of us are going to live for ever anyway. Set the bag about waist high or a little lower. After you've set do about a fifth turn towards the set, by turning your dex knee in towards your body as you do this it should now be able to clear the bag while it (the bag) is just about peaking out. Remember, you are turning your knee in to do the dex, not your whole leg. Imagine there's a pivot in the middle of your shin when you turn your leg to do the dex. As your body comes down again, after the dex, pivot your dex leg back the other way as you turn your body back and come down with the bag. The dex is really compleated by the motion of your body turning back. Don't forget, this move is one motion. Practicing toe drifters really helps to learn the motion. And stretch your hips before you try it. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 7 03:05:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26153 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:05:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.csuchico.edu (mail.CSUChico.EDU [132.241.82.14]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17742 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:42:25 -0700 Received: from webmail ([132.241.82.12]) by mail.csuchico.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA4F92; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:41:41 -0700 From: "Tara R. Ohr" To: "Andrew McCargar" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Injury X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 3.5.2 [Mozilla/4.73 [en] (Win98; U)] Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:41:41 -0700 Message-ID: <773680CD102D.AAA4F92@mail.csuchico.edu> In-Reply-To: <20000602125421.13494.qmail@hotmail.com> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Andrew, Now I'm not a doctor or anything, but I think that might be your Achilles' tendon. After bouncing a lot on the balls of your feet, you are putting a lot of stress on this tendon and the calf muscle it is attached to. If there is a tear in the tendon, then you should lay off for a little bit. If there is any swelling, get some ice on that heel. What you can do later is stretch, and I mean later!!! The more flexible the muscle is the less likely you will tear it again. Hope this helps some Tara From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 7 16:28:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30508 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:28:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22127 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:56:31 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:56:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] double atw / barrage Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:55:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all - Does it seem to anyone else that barrage is way harder than double atw? It is for me, but it doesn't seem like it should be this way-- I must be doing something wrong. My double atw is definitely hittable and in middle of strings, but barrage eludes me. Hints? I think the problem lies in my set, or timing after the set. While on this thought, moves in general that involve the double atw type of motion seem to be really tough for me, but I can do the basic move in and of itself, and in both directions (although not weak side yet). The tips that I hope to receive on barrage... will they serve to help with other similar moves (I forget the exact names right now, but things like double down etc..)? Thanks Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 8 03:26:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01435 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:26:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Will Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12794 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:02:11 -0700 Received: by EXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:01:44 -0400 Message-ID: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C19201354@EXCH01> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] NYC This Weekend Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:01:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All, I am visiting NYC this weekend and would love to meet up with some of you guys on Saturday or Sunday. You guys gonna be around? I saw that Washington square is the place to be at. Would love to see your stuff. Will "Looking for Company" Wells From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 8 14:57:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03656 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:57:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f9.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA01609 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:14:53 -0700 Received: (qmail 2082 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2000 14:13:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000608141345.2081.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.100 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:13:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.100] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Battle of the Year Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:13:45 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi List, I finished putting up my photos from the Battle of the Year, the Swiss break dance championships. Planet Footbag in Zurich was invited to show off footbag to the baggy pants wearers so we congregated and shreded like mad men. Sorry to say you won't find many pictures of the dancers. Wenn du dieses Satz verstehst, bitte hier klicken: http://members.xoom.com/NemesisDS/de/multimedia/battle/battlegalleryi.html and for the non-denglish speakers, go here: http://members.xoom.com/NemesisDS/de/multimedia/battle/battleEgalleryi.html -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 9 22:09:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13422 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:09:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30085 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:43:10 -0700 Received: from patti.excite.com ([199.172.148.159]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000609204211.FIRI17268.kuku.excite.com@patti.excite.com> for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:42:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1424832.960583331803.JavaMail.imail@patti.excite.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:42:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Wulff Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] trivia style 5... 6/9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 38.28.75.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Here we are with the last of the first half. It's time to dig a little deeper. But first... the answers from last time and current results below. We've got a few new people on the board(and one person digging himself out of a whole :) Thanx for playing... > Subject: trivia style continues... 5/30 > > 1. worth 4 adds... What *active* player has the longest run of consecutive > appearances in the Open Singles Freestyle World Championship Finals? GF Smoothie himself stands alone. > 2. worth 2 adds... How many years in a row is that streak? That would be 10. Pete comes close with 9... > 3. Will we see him at Worlds again this year? 6 bonus adds for the right > answer from the right person for queston #3... :) Well, a few of you had the right answer but I was looking for the *right person* with the right answer... and that could only come from GF himself. I heard directly from the man earlier this year that he wasn't planning on worlds this time BUT... it seems his plans have changed. He will be there going for his 11th finals in singles and TRYING :) for another team title I imagine. btw... *no* would've been the WRONG answer and GF would've gottn 0 for that one. So glad he knew the answer to that one... Okay... TRIVIA 5 Freestyle tricks have "come to be" in different ways. Some were well thought out. Others came about purely by accident. "Dada Curve" I believe came to Kenny in a dream. A friend of mine and me weren't the first to come up with the concept(although we didn't know it at the time), but we found 2 different tricks in the late 80's. Him doing it one way and me, in trying to learn it from him, came up with the another way.(I'm not quite sure which I came up with... osis or refraction) Anyway, we argued about whether they were different moves for months. Then we went to worlds to find that one was a refraction and the other an osis. Also found... I was wrong. Anyway... 1. worth 4 adds in 2 parts... Who came up with the legbeater concept? How did this person come upon/discover/invent this move? >From the category of "Who am I'... 2. 5 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old.... Sometime in the mid/late 80's I remember walking up to a little punk hot shot kicker named Eric Wulff. He had won a few consecutive titles at the East Coast Champs and rumor had it he was a pretty good styler. I said... "Have you ever won a freestyle title before?" He said no. So I said... "Want to do something about that?!" And we teamed up and won the East coast Freestyle Championship. I was sponsored by Balywik footbag and, if I remember correctly, had my signature stamped on the "Mumbus" model. This was a 4 panel leather bag and one of the hottest freestyle bags of this era. Who am I? Have fun... see ya soon Ironman > Aaron Edggerton - 7 > Adrian Dick - 4 Alex Ibardaloza - 6 > Becca - 41 > Bob Green - 10 > Brad Kaplin - 24 > Corey Current - 12 > Danny Cardonne - 4 > Dennis Lee - 3 > Eli Piltz - (-6) > Eric "Wicked" Windsor - 8 > GF Smoothie - 39 > Ian Dubman - 12 > Jeremiah J. Riley - 6 > John Schneider - 42 > Ken "Ceiling Fan" Semolinos - 22 > Phillip Summers - 3 > Scott "The Enlightener" Davidson - 11 > Sebastian Duchesne - 10 > Shredstein - 7 > Stan Sagalovskiy - 3 > Tina Lewis - 7 Tu Vu - 6 Vince Bradley - 6 > Yacine - 7 _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 9 22:13:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13449 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:13:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Tom Kotsakos Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00822 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:09:19 -0700 Received: from Honycherub@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.75.5378d5a (4241) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 01:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <75.5378d5a.2671d5c0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 01:08:16 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Eggbeater VS Atom Smasher To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just wondering, which move do you guys think is harder. I hope its not a silly question. Eggbeater seems like it should be easier, but atom smasher is easier to me. Let me know what you all think. Tom Kotsakos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 10 06:32:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15445 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:32:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03945 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:54:29 -0700 Received: from magic.excite.com ([199.172.148.161]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000609235327.AHY8805.fortune.excite.com@magic.excite.com> for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:53:27 -0700 Message-ID: <30124620.960594807478.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> In-Reply-To: <75.5378d5a.2671d5c0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:53:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Eggbeater VS Atom Smasher Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.96.202.62 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Tom and all! > Just wondering, which move do you guys think is harder. I hope its not a > silly question. Eggbeater seems like it should be easier, but atom smasher is > easier to me. Let me know what you all think. > > Tom Kotsakos > > The difficulty issue... I think most people would say eggbeater is easier but it varies from a player to another. For example I had to spend countless hours drilling osis to get 2 in a row but I learned blur in a single day. Most players would say osis is easier than blur though. Keep shredding! -Yacine _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 11 06:58:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20260 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 06:58:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03042 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:21:50 -0700 Received: from magic.excite.com ([199.172.148.161]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000610192115.WTY5059.gigi.excite.com@magic.excite.com> for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:21:15 -0700 Message-ID: <24477136.960664875115.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] double symposium? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.96.202.122 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey freestyle world! Has anyone ever hit a double-symposium move? I think double-symposium tap would be possible. toe>(no plant while)op out>(no plant while)same in>op toe If somebody ever hit that in the past he probably got plenty of props and really bad shin splints. -Yacine _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 11 06:58:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20255 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 06:58:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04302 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:59:16 -0700 Received: from magic.excite.com ([199.172.148.161]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000610195820.DZOO19870.ewey.excite.com@magic.excite.com> for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:58:20 -0700 Message-ID: <10827640.960667100129.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:58:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New concepts & new moves? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.96.202.80 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello again freestylers! Here are a two concepts I thought about because I don't work that hard at my job and I have plenty of spare time. Fairy-Atomic set... I've seen a pixie-atomic set and the fairy version seems a little bit harder but possible if you're willing to risk breaking your hip. As anyone ever tried or come close to this? I'll try and hit sometimes... Gyro-miraging set... That sounds funny but I'm sure someone could hit that. With a low set, spinning into a gyro mirage, instead of just catching it with the toe after the mirage one could go for a butterfly and that would be a gyro-ripwalk. I will not even try that because my spins suck. As anyone ever tried or come close to this? Let's push the limits! -Yacine _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 11 07:34:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20425 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:34:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4505.mail.yahoo.com (web4505.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17050 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:26:00 -0700 Message-ID: <20000611032458.17199.qmail@web4505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.220.164.185] by web4505.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:24:58 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:24:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Edwin Tichenor Subject: [freestyle] jubilee day To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org just wondering if anyone is headed to funtastics in downtown mechanicsburg to kick on the june 15. i asked a dude that worked there and he said that it was $7 dollars to enter a competition but if you want to kick for the hell of it, that is cool too. In short, there are going to be plenty of skating demos, bands, shred sessions bound to be a good time. reply if your going. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 03:02:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23837 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:02:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2003.mail.yahoo.com (web2003.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA04413 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:27:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 16199 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2000 14:27:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000611142713.16198.qmail@web2003.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <24477136.960664875115.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Received: from [207.207.3.97] by web2003.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:27:13 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:27:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] double symposium? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yacine Merzouk wrote: > Hey freestyle world! > Has anyone ever hit a double-symposium move? Of course, lots of people, lots of tricks: The first one I ever saw was 'pogo symp mirage' by Tuan Vu. I've seen Mulroney hit 'pogo symp whirl' (possibly the toughest 5 add I've witnessed). A couple years ago shortly after moving to Colorado, while kicking with Genzu and waiting for Ben Job to arrive, Genz told me about Ben hitting symposium reverse-miraging (before we called it atomic) tricks. I hit 'symp tapping mirage' and 'symp tapping whirl' that day. I hit 'symp tapdown' later, but 'Dolomite' (symp paradon) is way worthier. Also, Ryan Sanders has hit 'double symp atom smasher'. This gives me a couple ideas: first, Sunil (or anyone else), have you tried/hit symposium quantum anything? Second, I think symposium double dexes deserve an extra add in there somewhere. Adds don't mean much... except in shred competition. At present, there are only a few shredders who might attempt a superfly in shred comp, but no one would do that instead of pswhirl if its worth the same. > Gyro-miraging set... That sounds funny but I'm sure someone could hit that. 'Gyro blur' and 'gyro ripwalk' have been pulled off by Big Add Chad with success. The gyro is easy to fluff so it can be like reverse refracting with extra rotation. Chad is the only person I've seen do a legitimate set,backspin,mirage move. Cool ideas, Yacine. Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 03:05:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23859 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:05:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA17599 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:10:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 23967 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2000 21:10:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000611211024.23966.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <24477136.960664875115.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Received: from [63.14.88.27] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:10:24 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:10:24 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] double symposium? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup, --- Yacine Merzouk wrote: > I think double-symposium tap would be possible. > toe>(no plant while)op out>(no plant while)same > in>op toe > > If somebody ever hit that in the past he probably > got plenty of props and > really bad shin splints. Philip Summers(incredible shredder) is your man... If he hadent hit it before, im sure he read this and hit it like cake. Well Phil! Have you? Later, Jamez P.S. Iowa Jam rules! My sunburns are killing me though. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 03:11:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23936 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:11:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09932 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 10:11:42 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna60.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.71]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA45446 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:11:13 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000611120517.00ae3870@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:11:26 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Ill moves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey freestylers, I got inspired by Yacine's thoughts on disgusting moves that need to be hit (just because they're there), and I started wondering about paradox flurry and blurry flurry. I know no one's hit blurry flurry (since it's 4 dexes), but what about paradox flurry? And if anyone's hit it, is it online somewhere that I could check it out? Also, has anyone every hit clipper-set atomic whirl? I just thought this move might look very symmetric, along the lines of a ripwalk. That's all for now. Happy shreddin'. . . Alex (Integer, of the Penn State Trio) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 06:19:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24790 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:19:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA24787 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:19:45 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05038 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:48:36 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000612054805.YLBT1079.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.24.8]> for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:48:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:48:59 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] A plea from your buddy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, freestylers. Your buddy Steve wants to ask you all a favor... As summer is kicking into high gear and we all start firming up plans for the warm months, I want to make two strong requests of all my freestyle buddies out there: (1) COME TO WORLDS! No matter what your skill level, the world footbag championships is one of the most inspirational gatherings of athletes and friends on the planet. There is really very little to compare to the wonder of seeing some of the best freestylers in person (and you'll find, if you haven't met a lot of the top players before, that they really are just normal guys and gals!) The event is August 14-20 in Vancouver, Canada. If you don't plan to compete, there're still *plenty* of reasons to attend, if for nothing else than the freestyle finals on that Saturday (August 19th) and the midnight shred (called the Holidome Jam for hysteri--- umm, I mean, historical reasons) that takes place over night after the finals (like a rave -- we never know where it will be, but what a sight to see if you can find it :-)). But the last two days are only a part of it. Come for the week and you won't be sorry you did. I promise. Get all the details at http://www.footbag.org/worlds2000 (2) PAY THE ENTRY FEE! Yes, even though the level of competition is daunting, and competition is not for everyone, I'm asking you to consider the costs involved in created such a wonderful event, and to let you know that you can *be a part* of the tournament, even if you don't actually compete in any of the events, by officially registering and paying the (amateur) entry fee. You'll get the player's pack (always something fun :-)) and you'll be supporting the tournament at a time when funding is, how do I say, *nonexistent*. The folks who are running this event in Vancouver are literally risking their financial stability by taking on this event. And in doing so, they're creating a once-a-year opportunity that most freestylers would die for. And given all the value you'll get out of it, please consider giving something back. The amateur registration fee is only $30. Only a fraction of your total costs if you are planning to travel to the event, so please put it into your budget if you're making the trek. Again, you can register without actually competing! Please think about it. The online registration system will be up and running very soon (I hope). Okay, enough begging. :-) I hope to see you all there. I'll be at the European championships next month in Paris as well, and my plea applies there and to all the other tournaments coming up this summer. Our sport is tiny -- please help support it. Thanks for listening to your buddy. Steve P.S. For those of you who are considering replying and saying you'd love to compete if only there was an event for you -- your cry has been heard. I am working to formalize the shred event and plan to propose it to the IFC this year for inclusion in official events starting in 2001. We may even try to sandwich it in to Worlds this year if I can pull some strings. :-) More on that later. Either way, plan to attend and compete -- please! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 16:56:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26802 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:56:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32161 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:20:38 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000612032011.JEBR5900.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:20:11 -0700 Message-ID: <39445808.5F25B72@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:24:56 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000611120517.00ae3870@email.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alexander Faber wrote: > > I got inspired by Yacine's thoughts on disgusting moves that need to > be hit (just because they're there), and I started wondering about paradox > flurry and blurry flurry. I know no one's hit blurry flurry (since it's 4 > dexes), but what about paradox flurry? Windsen Pan - one of the next generation of Texas freestylers - claims to have hit a pixie flurry. Without seeing it on tape, I don't know how clean it was... But, if anyone could hit it, it would be Windsen. Other variations I would like to see are: toe set flurry (toe > op in > same in > op out > same toe) pixie barrage (toe > same in > op in > same in > op toe) and, of course, the ones you mentioned - pdx flurry and blurry flurry. I'm thinking that these would be possible, but I've never seen them on tape or in person. > Also, has anyone every hit clipper-set atomic whirl? This would be a bubba pdx whirl. 'bubba' means 'clipper set reverse miraging' - like 'stepping' means 'clipper set miraging'. > I just thought > this move might look very symmetric, along the lines of a ripwalk. Symetric, yes, but nothing like a ripwalk :) This move would require some mean hip twists. Later. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 16:57:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26807 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:57:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA03707 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:06:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 15673 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2000 05:05:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000612050538.15672.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.210.253] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:05:38 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:05:38 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] spinning paradox To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I see that the spinning paradox moves are now getting thier well deserved paradox add. When did this happen? I think its rad! Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 16:58:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26832 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:58:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f138.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.138]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05128 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:50:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 24521 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2000 05:49:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000612054939.24520.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000611120517.00ae3870@email.psu.edu> Received: from 205.188.193.151 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:49:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.193.151] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: integer@psu.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:49:39 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Alexander Faber >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Ill moves >Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:11:26 -0500 > >I know no one's hit blurry flurry (since >it's 4 dexes), but what about paradox flurry? It's called 'flurriest' and i dont think it has been hit clean but there are a couple of people out there who have the potential to hit it with the approaching quad race of the new millenium. Otherwise...if you want a sick move...try a normal move that you haven't hit yet. thats always sick enough for me. weak side moves first hit are even sicker...daydreaming is alright but when it comes to realism...the sickest of all are the ones that i've aforementioned. take it easy...shred hard later on... ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 16:59:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26843 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:59:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06704 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:47:41 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #39336) with ESMTP id <0FW10060146Q38@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:47:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:47:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Eggbeater VS Atom Smasher In-reply-to: <75.5378d5a.2671d5c0@aol.com> To: Tom Kotsakos Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Tom Kotsakos wrote: > Just wondering, which move do you guys think is harder. I hope its not a > silly question. Eggbeater seems like it should be easier, but atom smasher is > easier to me. Let me know what you all think. Personally, eggbeater took me 10 tries and atom smasher took me about 100. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 16:59:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26854 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:59:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07109 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:01:12 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #39336) with ESMTP id <0FW100J014TAZS@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:00:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:00:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] double symposium? In-reply-to: <24477136.960664875115.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> To: Yacine Merzouk Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Yacine Merzouk wrote: > I think double-symposium tap would be possible. > toe>(no plant while)op out>(no plant while)same in>op toe I tried this about a year and a half ago and pulled my back. Didn't land it either. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 17:00:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26915 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:00:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f59.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.59]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA21831 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:36:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 95425 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2000 13:35:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20000612133515.95424.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000611120517.00ae3870@email.psu.edu> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:35:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:35:14 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alexander Faber wrote: > Also, has anyone every hit clipper-set atomic whirl? I just thought >this move might look very symmetric, along the lines of a ripwalk. I believe this move would be called nuclear whirl--someone please correct me if I am wrong. I have tried it on several occasions, but I have never hit the delay. Anywho, I may be wrong on the nomenclature, but I know, for a fact, Eli Piltz hits this on Shredded Wheat. There is even a nice little highlight of it in the intro. Good stuff. Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 23:22:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28633 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:22:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02818 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:46:04 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust148.tnt47.chi5.da.uu.net [63.17.68.148]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21547; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39453DB0.65C55D91@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:44:49 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Fournier CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves References: <20000612054939.24520.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alexander Faber: >>I know no one's hit blurry flurry (since >>it's 4 dexes), but what about paradox flurry? Bryan Fournier: >It's called 'flurriest' and i dont think it has been hit clean.... Last I remember flurriest was barraging butterfly.... some ideas I got from this thread... pdx blurriest and flurriest pdx blurrier: clip > same in (plant) > same out > same out > op clip anybody hit "flurrier"?(barraging same butterfly) if so, how about pdx? ok... I think that's about it... later -TW From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 23:25:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28670 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:25:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f222.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.222]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03213 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:56:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 80976 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2000 19:55:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000612195546.80975.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000612133515.95424.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.86.138.195 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:55:46 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.86.138.195] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:55:46 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freestylers, First off, thanks to Eli for posting so many crazy moves that have been hit and witnessed. For the record, I've seen my friend Mike Broshi hit a double symposium tap, but no seal. Still, not bad for a guy who doesn't have bad side clipper. Lately there has been a lot of mis-information posted. Ian Dubman wrote: >Alexander Faber wrote: > >> Also, has anyone every hit clipper-set atomic whirl? I just thought >>this move might look very symmetric, along the lines of a ripwalk. > > >I believe this move would be called nuclear whirl--someone please >correct me if I am wrong. Judging by the ripwalk parallel, I think he means bubba pdx whirl, which to my knowledge has not been hit. Eli has indeed hit nuclear whirl (pdx reverse miraging whirl), it is in the opening credits of Sultans of Shred. Also, to my knowledge there is no name for pdx or blurry flurry. "flurriest" is a barraging butterfly, which gets its name from being a rewound blurriest, and like a flurry + a bit more effort. I know this move has been hit da da curve style, but last I talked to anybody who could do the barraging set, they didn't deem their final butterfly to be big enough to be clean. Toe set flurry has been hit. Keep thinking creatively everybody. CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 23:25:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28681 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:25:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f286.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.161]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03911 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:12:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 26358 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2000 20:11:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000612201129.26357.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000612133515.95424.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.213.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:11:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.204] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: mufreestyle@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:11:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Ian Dubman" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves >Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:35:14 CDT >I believe this move would be called nuclear whirl--someone please >correct >me if I am wrong. I believe they were calling this a 'paratoxic' when eli first hit it...i thought in was in sultans... later on... ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 23:27:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28700 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:27:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f162.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.162]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA04200 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:18:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 52873 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2000 20:17:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000612201748.52872.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <39453DB0.65C55D91@earthlink.net> Received: from 152.163.213.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:17:48 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.204] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: Beesknees13@earthlink.net, freestyle_spaz@hotmail.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:17:48 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tim Werner wrote: >Last I remember flurriest was barraging butterfly.... some ideas I >got from this thread... pdx blurriest and flurriest pdx blurrier: >clip > same in (plant) > same out > same out > op clip anybody hit >"flurrier"?(barraging same butterfly) if so, how about pdx? ok... I >think that's about it... later >-TW Is it? sorry i could be mistaken... these names for these doubles moves get confusing after awhile... as for "flurrier" I believe Sunil hits that with grace on the new video from Boulder Blades Prod., "cali connection"...czech it out... later on... ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 23:30:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28713 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:30:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz ([202.180.64.194]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04900 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:40:16 -0700 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:38:47 +1200 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782393910D@INETSRV> In-Reply-To: From: Adrian Dick To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] A plea from your buddy Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:38:45 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Steve said: > COME TO WORLDS! Just thought I'd let you all know that New Zealand will be represented by 4 Freestylers at this years Worlds. Dave Fowlie Stuart Macferson Damian Coventry and me. Also - are there any Australians attending this year??? Or are we representing the Southern Hemisphere??? For those of you Internationals who can't afford the travel costs, do what we have done - plan it over a year in advance. Put together a Worlds saving fund and start throwing money into it for the 2001 or 2002 Worlds !! Put the money in an Investment account, coz that's what it is ! An investment in your legs. See you all there ! PS. To the BAP: I realise that we may be intimidating to kick with, but please feel free to come and kick in our circle ! We'll go easy on yaz ;) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 23:31:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28727 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:31:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f201.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.201]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA10136 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:38:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 19971 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2000 22:37:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000612223706.19970.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000612201129.26357.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.206.120.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:37:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle_spaz@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:37:06 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bryan Fournier wrote: >>I believe this move would be called nuclear whirl--someone please >correct >>me if I am wrong. >I believe they were calling this a 'paratoxic' when eli first hit it...i >thought in was in sultans... Hehe, oops... Um, paratoxic... I don't know about that, you are probably right though since you hang with those cats a bit more than myself... Though, is it not a nuclear whirl? I mean blurry blender is food processor also. Hopefully my question isn't too vague... I just like to call it "pipedream"... that is a joke... Sultans? Yes, you are exactly right... My video feedback memory must need its heads cleaned. thank you... Later, Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 23:37:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28777 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:37:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Brian Parsons Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10476 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 10:31:25 -0700 Received: from TrollJr22@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.94.58bf6c8 (4340) for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <94.58bf6c8.267526a8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:30:16 EDT Subject: [freestyle] unknown move To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have a question about a move that I am doing, i can't find it anywhere on the moves list. You start out with a toe stall and take it back like you are going to do a pendelum, but you release the bag about waist high in back of you and then circle the bag and rake it forward ending in a toe stall. Does anyone know what I am talking about? Thanks, Brian Parsons From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 23:38:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA28789 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:38:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11246 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:03:23 -0700 Received: from magic.excite.com ([199.172.148.161]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000612230227.TEP239.gigi.excite.com@magic.excite.com> for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:02:27 -0700 Message-ID: <10885783.960850947736.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> In-Reply-To: <39453DB0.65C55D91@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:02:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.96.202.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi! TW wrote... > anybody hit "flurrier"?(barraging same butterfly) I'm not sure but I think I saw that move on the latest video from Eli & Dave. Sunil was the man. But I've only seen the video once. By the way this video - California Conection - is awesome. Everybody is tearing it up like never before! Get it! -Yacine _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 13 01:02:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29149 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:02:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13313 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:58:00 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna59.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.70]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA44860 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:57:30 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000612185519.00ab39c0@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:57:42 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Videos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Where does one get their hands on some of these shred videos? I've picked a couple up second-hand via Kaiser Ahmad (the founding father of the Penn State Trio), but I'd like to get my hands on some more and also give the proper funds to the proper people for the effort that went into the ones I already have. I feel as though I've slighted someone by making copies. Alex (Integer, of the Penn State Trio) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 13 01:02:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29137 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:02:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13220 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:55:36 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna59.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.70]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA45040 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:54:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000612184611.00ae0ca0@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:55:08 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Nice Thread Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yeah stylers, First off, thanks for all the comments on my moves I mentioned. I like to see a little life in this list finally on something other than shoe modifications. Second, I did make a mistake on my talk of clipper set whirl. . .I had intended for it to be bubba paradox whirl (I think it should be name bubbalicious, but that's just my humble opinion. . .perhaps some day I'll hit it and get back to you all). Third, PIXIE FLURRY?? That's frickin' insane! But it also is 4 dexes, so I'm a little skeptical about it. In all reality, I think every move mentioned on this list during the last 15 or so emails is absolutely nuts, and I believe it to be a real testament to the players in our sport. Not many years ago the dopest move out there was blur. Keep pushing the sport further, everyone. I'm new to it, but I certainly love being a part of the action. Alex (Integer, of the Penn State Trio) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 13 01:04:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29164 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:04:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13327 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:58:09 -0700 Received: from [128.104.53.77] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id SAA188524 (8.9.1/50); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:57:40 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000612185253.0072d398@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:52:53 -0500 To: "Bryan Fournier" , mufreestyle@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org From: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves In-Reply-To: <20000612201129.26357.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000612133515.95424.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bryan Fournier wrote: >>I believe this move would be called nuclear whirl--someone please >correct >>me if I am wrong. > >I believe they were calling this a 'paratoxic' when eli first hit it...i >thought in was in sultans... Hmmm... there has indeed been a large amount of "mis-information" present on the list. Now correct me if I am wrong, but the move name paratoxic was taken several years ago by a move that Tuan Vu hit - a paradox miraging symposium whirl. clip > same in dex > (no plant while) op in dex > op clip This move name came up on the list about 2 years ago, and this was the definition that I was given for it when I asked way back then. An extremely wicked move... Anyway, I hope that now I'm not spreading any mis-information. Later Matt Kain - Madison Footbag Matt Kain From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 13 02:52:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29665 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:52:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19526 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:18:25 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000613021759.MEVI5900.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:17:59 -0700 Message-ID: <39459B06.374E6161@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:23:03 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves References: <20000612201129.26357.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok. To all who want to know about the moves that fit all of these names being thrown around... check out the Move List (http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/). Paratoxic is a 6-ADD move. Flurriest and nuclear whirl are both 5s. The list should have all of the more common moves that *have been hit and witnessed*. If you have any questions that the list doesn't answer, let me know. Enjoy... -Derric Bryan Fournier wrote: > > >From: "Ian Dubman" > >To: freestyle@footbag.org > >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves > >Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:35:14 CDT > > >I believe this move would be called nuclear whirl--someone please >correct > >me if I am wrong. > > I believe they were calling this a 'paratoxic' when eli first hit it...i > thought in was in sultans... > > later on... > > ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 13 12:39:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31372 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:39:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f59.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.59]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA21061 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:04:04 -0700 Received: (qmail 58178 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2000 03:03:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000613030309.58177.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.174.106.251 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:03:09 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.174.106.251] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] mis-info Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:03:09 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi stylers, LOTS of mis-information on the list recently. Please, don't post something unless you are very sure you are right about it. It just gets people confused. Really, some of the move names tossed around were describing moves which weren't even close to resembling the actual move. Paratoxic: clip> same in> (no plant while)op in> op clip. A pdx miraging symp whirl, Eli has hit it. Nuclear whirl: clip> same out>op in> op clip. A paradox atomic whirl. Eli has hit this and it's on Sultans. Paul Mestas also says he's hit it. I've heard this called Nuclear War. Flurriest: a rewound blurriest, or barraging butterfly. clip> op in> same in> op out> op clip. Bubba pdx whirl: clip> op out>op in> op clip. To my knowledge, still unhit. You can find most of this info on the footbag.org movelist as Derric pointed out. I just wanted to clear up any of the confusion caused by the misinformation in the last day. On a side note, I think the movelist should be updated after the release of each new video, as there is often a few new moves cleanly showcased on them. I also encourage members to post tips on the moves list, some very basic moves like paradon lack any kind of tip. The moveslist's tip feature has the potential to be a really useful learning tool, so don't be shy about sharing knowledge. And props again to everybody for hitting such amazingly hein moves. It's great to see the sport growing so quickly. See y'all at SMURF, the Montreal Int'l, and of course WORLDS 2000! CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 13 17:18:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00672 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:18:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA11386 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:12:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 6365 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2000 14:12:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000613141203.6364.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.122] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:12:03 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:12:03 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] my knees To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What up, Ive been skoolin hard on the symposium whirls (both sides). And lately my knees have been KILLING me. I dont know if the pain is cause by the violent whirly motion or the landing. But the pain seems to start up about an hour after I stop shreddin, and goes away when I warm up again. My queston is....... Is this ever gonna go away?!?! Does everyone that hits the symposium whirly moves experience this at first?!?! It'd be nice to get a reply from someone who knows what they're talkin about. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 13 17:19:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00677 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:19:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz ([202.180.64.194]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11637 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:23:19 -0700 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:32:00 +1200 Message-ID: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782393911F@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] New Move? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:31:58 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I hit a trick the other week which doesnt seem to be on the move list - I was just wondering what it's called. Its kinda like Marius, but instead of Torque you hit a (paradox?) Drifter on the end... Here is the notation: Clip > (back) SPIN [bod] > op in [dex] > same clip [xbd][del] - 4 Adds according to my calculations... If it has a real name, let me know ! At the mo I am calling it Gyro Paradox Drifter... Thanks ! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 13 17:18:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00667 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:18:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Ariel Santesteban Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06020 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:38:49 -0700 Received: from knuckles.excite.com ([199.172.148.179]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000613061627.DGHH10447.fortune.excite.com@knuckles.excite.com> for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:16:27 -0700 Message-ID: <27588850.960876987058.JavaMail.imail@knuckles.excite.com> In-Reply-To: <20000612201129.26357.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:16:27 -0700 (PDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 143.166.99.251 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:11:29 PDT, Bryan Fournier wrote: > >From: "Ian Dubman" > >To: freestyle@footbag.org > >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves > >Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:35:14 CDT > > >I believe this move would be called nuclear whirl--someone please > >correct me if I am wrong. > > I believe they were calling this a 'paratoxic' when eli first hit it...i > thought in was in sultans... Actually he called it nuclear war, when he first hit it. I'm proud to say I captured that move on video. Ariel Santesteban Austin Style Footbag Club _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 13 17:22:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00716 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:22:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11927 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:30:53 -0700 Received: from almond.excite.com ([199.172.148.82]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000613142957.WQR7315.gigi.excite.com@almond.excite.com> for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:29:57 -0700 Message-ID: <25005269.960906597860.JavaMail.imail@almond.excite.com> In-Reply-To: <20000612195546.80975.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:29:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Vince Bradley To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.118.164.17 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey i could have sworn i saw KaMcKenzie hit bubba paradox whirl at 98 worlds montreal. if i remember right, it was one of my primary motivations for one of my many inclinations towards retiring from freestyle. it was in fact the first move i ever saw Brian hit. at the time i was putting on my lavers, adn then decided that basically my butt hurt too friggin much. it definitely didn't help to realize i was/am a full decade older than the guy. that is one closed-window move. where can teh bag fit? i'm pretty sure i saw him hit it many times, pointing him out to other old schoolers saying 'seen bubba whirl yet? there it is. fugly.' anyway take it easy. see everybody at the Philly Non-Competitive Hacky-sack Eastcoast Event for Summer Entertainment Socializing Talking Eating and as Always, Kicking. i.e. SMURF, but i've always hated teh blue guys. l8r vince From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 13 18:38:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01071 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:38:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA19422 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:38:27 -0700 Message-ID: <20000613172619.7980.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782393911F@INETSRV> Received: from [144.92.122.155] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:26:19 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Kain Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Move? To: Adrian Dick , "'freestyle@footbag.org'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Adrian Dick wrote: > Clip > (back) SPIN [bod] > op in [dex] > same clip > [xbd][del] - 4 Adds > according to my calculations... > > If it has a real name, let me know ! At the mo I am > calling it Gyro Paradox > Drifter... Adrian, I believe that this move is called a "lotus". In other words, a spinning paradox drifter. I've heard that Ahren Gehrman hits this move pretty easily. With the new paradox spin add, this would get 5 adds. By the way, any tips on this one Adrian? I've had this move roll off of my clipper, but I cannot seal it. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Matt Kain - Madison Footbag From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 14 01:54:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02626 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:54:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1302.mail.yahoo.com (web1302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.152]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA25310 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:57:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 25458 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2000 19:57:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000613195700.25457.qmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.78.45.114] by web1302.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:57:00 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: ERiC WiNDSoR Subject: [freestyle] New Freestyle Video To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello fellow kickers, There is a brand new shred video out called JUST SHRED. It highlights great moments from The Colorado Shred Symposium, and Western Regionals 2000. The tape also documents hein private jams with Ryan Mulroney, Sunil Jani, Ahren German, and MORE!!!! The video also stars, Daryl Genz, Lon Smith, Dave Holton, Big Add Chad Devlahovich, Jonothan Schneider, Toby Robinson, Eli Piltz, Richard Abshire, Paul Mestas, Forest Schrodt, and Eric Windsor. The best part is its only $5.00 + $2.00 shipping (If your a member of the Big Add Posse, or you see your name listed above e-mail me for the special rate). Please make check out to Eric Windsor and mail to: Eric Windsor 12801 Fair Oaks Bl. #550 Citrus Heights, CA 95610 Don't Forget to leave your return address. Hope you enjoy it. -Eric Windsor P.S. Also if you haven't yet checked out Churney and Friends or California Connection you should. Contact Eli Piltz or Dave Holton for these truely awesome videos strait from the Boulder Blades!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 14 01:57:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02665 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:57:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01239 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:23:07 -0700 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.62.4565cd8 (3929) for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <62.4565cd8.26781c14@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:21:56 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Paradox Symposium Legbeater? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I saw Eli Piltz hit a paradox legbeater on a video awhile ago. After I hit a legbeater I've started trying to do a paradox *symposium* legbeater. Whos done this? I'm going attempt doing the job notations Clip>same out (no plant while)> Op Out > Op Clip I count 6 adds...2dex,1paradox,1 symposium,xbd,stall. My real question is Does that symposium even count? I find it very hard to visualize someone doing it and planting the first dex leg.Has anyone did a spin before the first dex and made it one of those rare 7 adders? That would be awsome. Gone To Practice, Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 14 01:58:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02676 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:58:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f24.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.24]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA03041 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:09:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 62792 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2000 00:08:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000614000842.62791.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000613172619.7980.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from 209.86.139.157 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:08:42 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.86.139.157] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: matthewkain@yahoo.com, AdrianD@callplus.co.nz, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Move? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:08:42 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Matt Kain replied to Adrian: >I believe that this move is called a "lotus". In >other words, a spinning paradox drifter. Yeah, Ethan Klein called it lotus about a half year ago in one of his e-mail footbag reports from SF, saying Ahren Gehrman hit it on his first try or some such craziness. I miss those enthusiastic reports. I think I've also heard the move called void. Has anybody tried spinning symposium toe blur? CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 14 01:59:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02687 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:59:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04206 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:42:59 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000614004233.NQVG5900.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:42:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3946D639.A9CA0607@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:47:53 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Move? References: <20000613172619.7980.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > --- Adrian Dick wrote: > > > Clip > (back) SPIN [bod] > op in [dex] > same clip > > [xbd][del] - 4 Adds > > according to my calculations... As Matt pointed out, certain spinning moves are now getting the paradox ADD. This would be one of them. So, your notation needs only a little help: Clip > (back) SPIN [bod] > op in *[pdx]*[dex] > same clip [xbd][del] - *5* Adds > > If it has a real name, let me know ! Matt Kain wrote: > > I believe that this move is called a "lotus". In > other words, a spinning paradox drifter. Lotus (spinning paradox drifter) is on the freestyle list under the 5 ADD moves. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 14 04:39:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03536 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:39:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1004.mail.yahoo.com (web1004.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.94]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10665 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:48:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 25168 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2000 03:48:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000614034801.25167.qmail@web1004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <39453DB0.65C55D91@earthlink.net> Received: from [130.212.201.61] by web1004.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:48:01 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:48:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahren Gehrman Subject: [freestyle] more move names To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey yo. Tim Werner wrote: >Last I remember flurriest was barraging butterfly. No. Barraging butterfly is called "Jani Walker". Named after Sunil, because he was the first to hit it, and it's a walk like "ripwalk", and if you don't get the double meaning, well... Sunil didn't really want a move named after him, because he's too modest, but if he's got a problem with it then... that's too damn bad. >"flurrier"?(barraging same butterfly) No again. Barraging same-side butterfly is called "High stepping butterfly". That's all for now. Torch From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 14 07:57:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04103 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:57:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f187.hotmail.com [209.185.131.250]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA15760 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:04:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 79576 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2000 07:03:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000614070354.79575.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8186832B88B9D211959E002035F3782393910D@INETSRV> Received: from 203.0.238.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:03:53 PDT X-Originating-IP: [203.0.238.3] From: "Lynton Stephens" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] A plea from your buddy Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:03:53 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adrian Dick wrote: >Steve said: > > COME TO WORLDS! > >Just thought I'd let you all know that New Zealand will be represented by 4 >Freestylers at this years Worlds. > Also - are there any Australians attending this year??? Or are we >representing the Southern Hemisphere??? Brendan from Melbourne, Australia. Sad news is that there will be no Australians at the Worlds in the near future. I'm sure Lynton would have turned a few heads with his skills now. However he's just started a 4 year university course so he's going to have to save up big time. I plan on coming in a couple of years when i've saved up enough money. PS Apart from Scott Davidson are there any other freestyles coming to the Sydney Olympics. Brendan (M.F.C.) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 14 14:44:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05936 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:44:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2006.mail.yahoo.com (web2006.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.206]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA30994 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:53:47 -0700 Received: (qmail 580 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2000 13:53:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000614135323.579.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <62.4565cd8.26781c14@aol.com> Received: from [207.207.3.105] by web2006.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:53:23 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:53:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox Symposium Legbeater? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Evan Edmonson wrote: > After I hit a legbeater I've started trying to > do a paradox *symposium* legbeater. Whos done > this? No one has done this, assuming you mean the first dex symposium. Good luck, I can't figure it out. Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 14 15:12:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06069 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:12:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2004.mail.yahoo.com (web2004.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.204]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA31699 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:19:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 18995 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2000 14:19:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000614141932.18994.qmail@web2004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000613141203.6364.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.207.3.105] by web2004.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:19:32 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:19:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] my knees To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Risden wrote: > Ive been skoolin hard on the symposium whirls, > and lately my knees have been KILLING me. I > dont know if the pain is cause by the violent > whirly motion or the landing. It's probably some of both. It would be good to take your time learning this move and the pdox version. If you haven't been playing long, your body probably hasn't developed enough strength, protection, or flexibility. Most new moves will leave your body soar in a new area, but if it's too much just lay off the trick and skool it more gradually (say five or fewer tries per session). I developed tendinitis in my knee from working ps whirl with bad form years ago (it's gone now). Form has more to do with injury than anything. With this particular move, bad form will hurt your knees, but so will the other weaknesses I mentioned. Symposium whirls are fine when you're ready. Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 15 05:56:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09998 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:56:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from footbag.com (mail.compuweb.com [206.233.204.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06491 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:32:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:39:47 -0400 Message-Id: <200006141339.AA32702660@footbag.com> In-Reply-To: <20000614141932.18994.qmail@web2004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Sandra O'Connor" Reply-To: To: CC: Subject: Re: [freestyle] my knees X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org You're right about form and, unfortunately, a lot of kickers get started without knowing about proper stance and stretching. For information on both, see http://www.footbag.com/book.htm, an instruction book for freestyle kickers. Sandra O'Connor ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Eli Piltz Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:19:32 -0700 (PDT) >Risden wrote: >> Ive been skoolin hard on the symposium whirls, >> and lately my knees have been KILLING me. I >> dont know if the pain is cause by the violent >> whirly motion or the landing. > >It's probably some of both. It would be good to >take your time learning this move and the pdox >version. If you haven't been playing long, your >body probably hasn't developed enough strength, >protection, or flexibility. Most new moves will >leave your body soar in a new area, but if it's >too much just lay off the trick and skool it more >gradually (say five or fewer tries per session). >I developed tendinitis in my knee from working ps >whirl with bad form years ago (it's gone now). >Form has more to do with injury than anything. >With this particular move, bad form will hurt >your knees, but so will the other weaknesses I >mentioned. Symposium whirls are fine when you're >ready. > >Eli Piltz > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 15 05:57:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10009 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:57:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f96.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.96]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA25449 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:51:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 18762 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2000 00:50:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000615005035.18761.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.189.152.11 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:50:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.11] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] at a stand-still Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:50:35 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello, Lately, I havn't been having much fun hacking because I'm sort of at a stand-still. I can do basic 2's and some 3's and that's it! I have tried to learn new moves but it seems as though I'm completely useless when it comes to double dexterities and gyros and so on. So basically, I've been "skoolin" the same old moves for like months now, and it sucks! I practice like once a day for about an hour at a time so it's not that. SO I was just wondering if anyone has had this happen to them, and if it did, then how'd they get themselves out of the gutter. o o \_/ Mike D | A.K.A. :(SNAKEeYES): ^ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 15 05:58:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10035 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:58:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.hmhs.com (firewall-user@smtp.hmhs.com [38.233.72.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32212 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:02:58 -0700 Received: by smtp.hmhs.com; id AAA19156; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:02:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(167.99.69.118) by smtp.hmhs.com via smap (4.1) id xma019154; Thu, 15 Jun 00 00:02:25 -0500 Received: by SVARLEXC05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:00:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Wilson, Mike" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Shred in Austin Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:00:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I thought I heard something about a competition coming up. I believe it is supposed to be held in Austin sometime in July. Does anyone know anything about this. Where is it? When is it? Thanks Mike From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 15 15:37:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11926 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:37:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail5.bigmailbox.com (mail5.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01530 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:30:39 -0700 Received: by mail5.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA32391; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:30:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:30:16 -0700 Message-Id: <200006150530.WAA32391@mail5.bigmailbox.com> In-Reply-To: <20000613141203.6364.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [216.67.71.7] From: "Joon Chung" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] my knees Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Knee and Shin bangups are common in long distance runners and its attributed to form ( a little ) and ( mostly ) the surface on which you run on. Try freestyling on more forgiving surfaces like a gym with thin padding or maybe even grass meadows or some such. Joon From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 15 15:38:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11943 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:38:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.hmhs.com (firewall-user@smtp.hmhs.com [38.233.72.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02650 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:09:44 -0700 Received: by smtp.hmhs.com; id CAA20656; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 02:09:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(167.99.69.118) by smtp.hmhs.com via smap (4.1) id xma020654; Thu, 15 Jun 00 02:09:13 -0500 Received: by SVARLEXC05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 02:07:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Wilson, Mike" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] New Club Meeting Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 02:07:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org There's a new club in Ft. Worth, Tx. We will be having our first "official" meeting on Saturday the 17th of June. We will be meeting at the Kimbell Art Museum at 10:00 am, so if you're in the area, be there. If you need directions, or have comments, feel free to e-mail me. Later, Mike From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 15 15:39:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11960 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:39:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10465 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:39:13 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:38:48 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000615005035.18761.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] at a stand-still Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:38:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mike Del Borrello wrote: > So basically, I've been "skoolin" the same old moves for like months > now, and it sucks! SO I was just wondering if anyone has had this > happen to them, and if it did, then how'd they get themselves out of > the gutter. Hey man... I'm in the same boat for sure. Admittedly I did not focus on shred for quite some time, but have had some solid fundamentals down for about a year and a half to two years (butterfly, clippers, mirages, legovers, dbl legovers etc...), and have been skooling hard and consistently for about 4 months straight (and on a more casual basis for the last 8-9 months) to try to learn harder moves etc. To my surprise/dismay, all this hard work has not really begun to pay off that much yet. I get frustrated because one of my playing partners picks up all these hard moves literally on the third or fourth try no matter what the move is it seems (he hit legbeater on his 3rd try ever), and I toil away trying to perfect my ripwalk for about a year now. In other words, I have no advice, but can sympathize, and am also wondering how to get past this stage. Is the key drills? I tried structuring a "footbag workout" and that did help solidify butterflies etc... but only served to make harder moves more frustrating, and kicking less fun in general. Is the key quitting other hobbies and breathing footbag 24 hours a day? I hope that's not the key (and doesn't seem to be.. look at Greg Nelson.. mr. frisbee and footabg, or Noah or peter...). Help!!! I don't necessarily strive to be as awesome as Eric, rayan, brian, rippin, scott, peter......everyone else awesome... but would like to continue to see progress. Later on. Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 15 15:39:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11971 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:39:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10769 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:56:40 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000615125615.PWMF5900.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:56:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3948D3C4.CB10BD0F@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:01:56 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred in Austin References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Wilson, Mike" wrote: > > I thought I heard something about a competition coming up [in Austin]. No competition... just a shred. In honor of Eli returning to Texas for a while, a few of us are getting together to tear it up. All are welcome - the more, the merrier. This is going down on July 2nd - and maybe a bit on the 1st too. I don't know locations or times yet, but it will be fun. If you are interrested, send me an email and I'll get you in touch with Eli. For those of you who think you have to live in Colorado or California to freestyle, you really should see some of the new texans. We rule! :) Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 15 21:01:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13654 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:01:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Eric Schall Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13608 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:28:03 -0700 Received: from ShredHead10183@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.71.411b196 (4050) for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <71.411b196.267a4fbe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:26:54 EDT Subject: [freestyle] a cry from a newcomer To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey there, Im relatively new to freestyle footbag, and brand new to this list. It's been about a month and a half since I started to freestyle, and i can only do the following freestyle moves consistantly: basic toe stalls, outside stalls, inside stalls, flying clippers and knee stalls. I have a miniscule understanding of job's notation, so when i read postings, its almost impossible for me to visualize the move. What I would like to ask about is dexes. i think i have a good handle on basic stalls and im ready to attempt simpe dexterities. However, i notice that i cannot circle the footbag in time to delay it after, unless i do a small hop and circle the bag while in the air and bring the delay foot off the ground just as the dex leg lands. Is one expected to be able to do dexterities with the support foot planted? or is it alright to continue on as i am? thank u 4 your time and i hope i have not annoyed ne1 eric schall From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 15 21:01:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13666 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:01:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f119.hotmail.com [209.185.131.182]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA14078 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:50:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 68738 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2000 15:49:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000615154936.68737.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 62.157.67.31 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:49:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [62.157.67.31] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Worlds at Vancouver, Hotel Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:49:36 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey footbaggers, me and a friend (Joern Grosch) are going to get to worlds from europe. we already planned to share a room with two americans but one of them wont come due to money issues or something, so the other doesnt go either, at least he wont stay at our room.... so we really need to find two players who'd like to share a quad room with us at the "plaza500" from the 13th of august till the 21th. it would be really cool if someone was interested...just mail me personally then thanks alot, fabian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 15 21:03:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13678 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:03:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16082 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:09:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 28785 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2000 17:08:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000615170856.28784.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [63.14.207.24] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:08:56 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:08:56 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] at a stand-still To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- "Riefer, Robert" wrote: > I tried structuring a "footbag workout" and that did > help solidify butterflies etc... but only served to > make harder moves more frustrating, and kicking less > fun in general. Koolness, why dont you pick a set, (stepping, atomic, pixie, or fariy) and MASTER it. I'd suggest learning the stepping set first. (I find that one most usefull) Once you've mastered the set, slapping on one of those fundamentals is CAKE!!! Turn an infinty to a ripwalk, pdx mirage to blur, ect... This will double your arsenal of moves!!! > Is the key quitting other hobbies and breathing > footbag 24 hours a day? Thats what I do..:) > I hope that's not the key (and doesn't seem to be.. > look at Greg Nelson.. mr. frisbee and footabg, or > Noah or peter...). They've got the gift!!! They were probably born hittin' clippers. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 15 21:32:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13839 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:32:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13836 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:32:15 -0700 Received: from fep2.excitehome.net (fep2.excitehome.net [24.0.26.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23092 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:00:51 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] by fep2.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000615210022.TNDM26825.fep2.excitehome.net@[24.16.24.8]> for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:00:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <71.411b196.267a4fbe@aol.com> References: <71.411b196.267a4fbe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:01:10 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] a cry from a newcomer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:26 AM -0400 6/15/00, Eric Schall wrote: >Is one expected to be able to do dexterities with the support foot planted? No! Almost all moves have what I call the "magic hop". It is very very subtle, especially the more experienced you get. But early on, you need to learn it by pronouncing it a little. Time the landing so that you do the stall exactly as you are absorbing the shock of a tiny hop with your support leg. See my move list comments for toe delay on the move list online. Also, look at some video of the easier moves (still more video to come, I promise) from the move list online. http://www.footbag.org/freestyle (as you know, obviously). Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 16 06:11:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16031 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 06:11:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Eric Schall Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30917 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:31:23 -0700 Received: from ShredHead10183@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.65.5a8cefa (3949) for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <65.5a8cefa.267add2d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:30:21 EDT Subject: [freestyle] another cry from eric To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org First I'd like to thank all that replied to my first message. Everyone seems unbelievably interested and willing to help. Anyway, i was hoping to find out if there are any kickers in Western New York (cheektowaga hopefully) that would like to get together and play~and skool me :) none of my friends are really into freestylin' and i could not find any clubs close to me, so if your in the cheek area and would like somone to play with, hit me back eric schall From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 16 06:13:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16047 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 06:13:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04620 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:30:28 -0700 Received: from storefull-617.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-617.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.58]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 852E92C67C; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-617.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id WAA28282; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:30:00 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAiZgm0moj0ob6tZ0LAnraN5tcd10CFHXTcJ9zn6vN5SUuL9Lp5C5+ul93 From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:29:59 -0400 (EDT) To: jammin_it@hotmail.com (Mike Del Borrello) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] at a stand-still Message-ID: <11562-3949BB57-5842@storefull-617.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: <20000615005035.18761.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hiya list! Ol' Snake eyes said "Lately, I havn't been having much fun hacking because I'm sort of at a stand-still." Something that works for me, is to link moves differently. Take some moves you have been doing, and put them in a different order. There is also a lot to be said for hitting a new move on the less consistent leg. Watching a lot of video can smash glass ceilings. And not much can inspire you like a good ol' fashioned paddling : )). Find the best shredder in your area, and take yer medicine. Whatever you do, have fun, or else !! GF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 16 15:53:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17899 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:53:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA13683 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:52:44 -0700 Received: from almond.excite.com ([199.172.148.82]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000616125210.BVDA17584.kuku.excite.com@almond.excite.com> for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:52:10 -0700 Message-ID: <27335518.961159930904.JavaMail.imail@almond.excite.com> In-Reply-To: <20000615005035.18761.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:52:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Vince Bradley To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] at a stand-still Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.33.200.90 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey guys. i've been in this boat for years. no joke. haven't learned a new move or hit a new move in almost four years. what i've found recently is that my old-time efforts to push the smooth quality in my style created at least one potentially bad habit for modern difficult tricks. in trying to keep my steps light on the dexterities, i ended up over gradual time practicing sporadically to develop a stance in my legs that was too upright. essentially i forgot the first rule of balance and 'power'- keep your legs relaxed and bent, more bent than you might think necessary. finally i am hitting torques that i can seal. and weak side blurs aren't quite as rare or painful. try it- let go of the smoothy essential for just a little while to pick up hitting the moves. smooth them out later. dang. letting the cat out about styling again. oh well. see you all at the S.M.U.R.F. props to all the fellow stylers at Jubilee Day. Kaisers Blades are looking like a guilt-free cuisinart. damned impressive. new stylers Kirk and Edwin ( one year with serious awesome improvement )are looking real strong. l8r- veteran v _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 17 07:04:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21012 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:04:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31016 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:36:32 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #39336) with ESMTP id <0FW900601WC90T@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:36:09 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:36:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves In-reply-to: <20000612195546.80975.qmail@hotmail.com> To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well I've been pretty quiet lately since my connections been on the fritz. I came back to 300+ e-mails. Anyway I may be late on this subject, but I had three moves I wanted to mention having hit. Derric had mentioned pixie barrage and I'm happy to say I've been hitting that since the Shred Symposium. Maybe some day I'll make it to pixie flurry. The second move is PS Atom Smasher. That one I'm really proud of, though I didn't play out of it. The 3rd was symposium smog. I've hit it before, but not for a long while and I just popped it out the other day while shreddin. Anyway, I thought it fit nicely in the "ill moves subject line. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 17 07:04:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21007 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:04:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA25978 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:28:47 -0700 Received: (qmail 28036 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2000 21:28:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000616212824.28035.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.41] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:28:24 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] tilt-a-whirl To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ive hit this really fun move a couple of times and Tim Werner has a name for it that I REALLY like. Tilt-a-Whirl A stepping knee bump to paradox whirl clip> op in> same knee> op in> op clip He said the move is technically a tilt, then a whirl. And thats where he got the name Tilt-a-Whirl So What does everyone else think of the name? Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 17 07:35:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21152 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:35:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03968 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:53:37 -0700 Received: from ThisBeEvan@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.96.64678d6 (4235) for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <96.64678d6.267c7a33@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20000616212824.28035.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:52:35 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilt-a-whirl To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Risden >>Ive hit this really fun move Somone correct me if I'm wrong but this wouldn't really be a move because you do one trick then another. It would be a combo, a string, etc. wouldn't it? just wonderin -evan edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 17 15:27:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22016 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:27:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04583 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:47:04 -0700 Received: from [128.104.49.153] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id CAA275050 (8.9.1/50); Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:46:18 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000617024338.006d1914@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:43:38 -0500 To: Brad Kaplan , freestyle@footbag.org From: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ill moves In-Reply-To: References: <20000612195546.80975.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 06:36 PM 6/16/00 -0600, Brad Kaplan wrote: > The second move is PS Atom Smasher. That one I'm really proud of, >though I didn't play out of it. Awesome! I just tried hitting that move today, I was going to call it terra-smasher (once I hit it - which I didn't), but looks like you get the honors of naming it. Extremely cool. Since people have been throwing down a hefty amount of cool moves lately, I guess I will post some of the stuff that we have been hitting way up here in the ever-thawing land of Madison, WI. Today during an extremely inspired session, Aaron Edgerton sealed a symposium toe ripwalk. There was nothing fluffy or dada style about it either. I'm talking about a true symposium quantum set to a butterfly. Notation fans: toe > (no plant while) op in dex > op out dex > op clip He also has been sealing toe blur, quantum butterfly, and slapping butterfly all over the place. Jake Wallden has been hitting fairy diving clipper and fairy heal stall to heal around the world (around the world starting and ending on a heal). Big time cool stuff. Personally I have recently been exploiting the fairy spin set. I have hit fairy gyro butterfly, fairy spinning butterfly, and fairy spinning osis. I am working madly on fairy mobius (fairy gyro torque). I am too lazy to type the notation on these, so if you are confused email me. I'm also wondering what a paradox flux is officially called. I have been sealing this lately as well. I remember it being called both an Aeon Flux and a Nucleosis. Are either official? Anyway, catch you on the flipside stylers. Matt Kain - Madison footbag From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 18 02:38:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23768 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 02:38:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net (mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net [198.209.253.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21441 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:19:11 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (mail.mlerf.org [207.160.174.60]) by mailrelayerformercurymailsites.more.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18436 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:18:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilt-a-whirl Message-Id: <000002518143044125691@mlerf.org> In-Reply-To: <96.64678d6.267c7a33@aol.com> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:28:10 -0500 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 3.2.1 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, Jun 17, 2000, 6:52:35 AM GMT Evan Edmondson wrote: > Somone correct me if I'm wrong but this wouldn't really be a move because >you do one trick then another. It would be a combo, a string, etc. wouldn't There are so many moves that are technically two separate moves, yet the set has to be done for the entire movement sequence. The momentum of such move sequences, as well as the muscle tension, is all one move and cannot be broken apart or separated. There are also many single moves that can be done as two totally separate movements, where the momentum of the set can come to an end, the body can stand on both feet in a neutral state for a moment, and then the second motion for the rest of the move begins. The accepted rules of footbag draw the line between moves at contact with the bag, but that is an arbitrary boundary and has little to do with the actual momentum and physical integration or lack thereof of certain moves. In the Tilt-a-Whirl case, you should think of the knee bump as being the equivalent difficulty to a dexterity, rather than just a contact. It requires an incredibly precise, glancing tap. Anyway, I felt compelled to write, because I've hit the 'Tilt-a-Whirl' sequence before; and hey - I think thats a great name for it! (regardless of whether it is technically one move or two) Try another variation - a whirl snap to whirl: whirl the bag after a clipper set on one side, but 'snap' the bag with an outside kick with the whirling leg as you come back underneath it, and do a whirl on the other side of that whirl snap. And just to open an old can of worms, I consider the second whirl of a whirl-snap whirl to be a legitimate paradox move. But I don't really think it classifies as a multi-contact move like the knee-bump one does, because its too easy to set a body-motion pause between the whirl snap and the whirl. Knee bump moves are really cool, because they are like 'double-time' moves. You can go to either knee, and from either knee to other moves on either side. There are at least a dozen really cool variations of the knee bump class of moves. Also note, I think the mirage-to-knee-bump is usually called a 'gimpy' move. Last year at Worlds, the Tilt-a-Whirl would have been called a 'gimpy whirl'. ______________________________________ Derrick Fogle Still studying at the old-school Footbag U From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 18 02:38:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23763 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 02:38:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23779 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:11:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 26151 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jun 2000 00:11:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000618001135.26150.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <96.64678d6.267c7a33@aol.com> Received: from [63.14.88.232] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:11:35 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:11:35 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilt-a-whirl To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Evan Edmondson wrote: > James Risden > >>Ive hit this really fun move > Somone correct me if I'm wrong but this wouldn't > really be a move because > you do one trick then another. It would be a combo, > a string, etc. wouldn't > it? That's what I used to think. Its called gimpy or pigmy(?) or some shit. Ive seen Peter and Ryan do them on video. Really cool, I like it. Also, I mentioned in the e-mail that it was technically a tilt then a whirl. But who cares, its fun, its unique, and it feels smooth!!! Now do you guys like the name or no?!?! Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 18 02:38:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23773 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 02:38:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1703.mail.yahoo.com (web1703.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.214]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA16387 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:21:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 11606 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jun 2000 19:20:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000617192050.11605.qmail@web1703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.255.210.2] by web1703.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:20:50 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:20:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Shaun Marques Subject: [freestyle] An interesting thought.. (?) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey freestylers, Not too long ago, Brian Parsons asked about a "pendulum into an ATW, into a rake." It got me thinking.. What about a pendulum (or swinging motion for that matter) into a swirl? Or since I'm on the topic of swirls.. A swirl, only performed with a flapper delay: x-body sole > same in/out (dex) > x-body sole (xbd) (del) (uns) Someone try it.. Because at my skill at the moment, I can't perform the dex (I'm workin' on butterflies and the such : ) ) It just might be interesting.. Piece, Shaun Marques From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 18 02:39:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23793 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 02:39:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (web120.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.121]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA15125 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:09:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 10727 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jun 2000 18:08:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000617180851.10726.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Received: from [12.79.29.204] by web120.yahoomail.com; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:08:50 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:08:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Lane Subject: [freestyle] used lavers To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i was just wondering again if anyone has a spare pair of lavers or laver milleniums roughyl size 12 that they would be willing to sell. not quite willin to spend 60 bucks at this point in time. thanks a lot. you can respond directly to me if you want to. thanks a ton, SL From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 18 02:39:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23807 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 02:39:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13997 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:08:01 -0700 Received: from magic.excite.com ([199.172.148.161]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000617170708.CJQI21902.kuku.excite.com@magic.excite.com> for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:07:08 -0700 Message-ID: <13166117.961261628133.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:07:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] More big moves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.96.202.145 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello to all of you! I was wondering... Has anyone ever hit double-bubba? clip > op out > same out > op toe _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 18 02:39:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23818 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 02:39:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12711 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 08:35:28 -0700 Received: from [128.104.49.174] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id KAA214322 (8.9.1/50); Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:35:02 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000617103224.007286b4@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:32:24 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Subject: [freestyle] Move name - the ever popular subject In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20000617024338.006d1914@students.wisc.edu> References: <20000612195546.80975.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I forgot to mention that Madison's own Jake Wallden has been busting out fairy same butterfly like cake and we have properly been calling it "park avenue" (just in case anyone has there lavers laced too tight, it's name is derived from parkwalk - pixie same butterfly). Anyway, Jake has been hitting this move for ages, and I figured I would drop the name onto the list since we have been using it like it's going out of style. Anyone else like the name? Matt Kain - Madison Freestyle From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 18 07:07:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24616 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 07:07:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f199.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.199]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA29681 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:34:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 25621 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jun 2000 03:33:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000618033324.25620.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <13166117.961261628133.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Received: from 152.163.213.69 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:33:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.69] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: igrecman@excite.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] More big moves Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:33:24 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Yacine Merzouk >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] More big moves >Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:07:08 -0700 (PDT) > >Hello to all of you! > >I was wondering... Has anyone ever hit double-bubba? >clip > op out > same out > op toe > Essentially...isn't that what a down-dbl-down is? except the concept of bubba implies a reverse miraging concept in which the move ends on toe... down-dbls end on clippers...i've hit "dbl-bubba" pick ups...i'm just waiting for people to bust out bubba as a set (besides the bubba style eggbeater everyones hitting) and hit bubba set mirages (bubba-style atom smashers i guess you could say) and bubba set whirls.... the set would be very fast and awkward but it is feasable... later on... ~Bryan OOPS! freestyle crew Hermosa Beach, CA From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 18 07:21:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24639 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 07:21:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4604.mail.yahoo.com (web4604.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.159]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA00318 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 22:30:29 -0700 Message-ID: <20000618052931.3045.qmail@web4604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.201.37.101] by web4604.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:29:31 EDT Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:29:31 -0400 (EDT) From: pp gauthier Subject: [freestyle] sleeping in vancouver!!! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi to anyone in Vancouver!!! I reserved a room for me and three pals at the plaza hotel between the 14th and 20th (august)... The problem is that I get to vancouver the 12th! In other words, I need a place to stay for two nights! I sleep well on the floor, I'm just asking for drapes and a pillow (a roof would be nice also). Thanks in advance! Pierre-Pascal From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 18 07:44:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24673 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 07:44:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27453 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:42:27 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust135.tnt69.chi5.da.uu.net [63.30.184.135]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05222; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <394C36F3.CFA5E79A@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:41:55 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Risden CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilt-a-whirl References: <20000618001135.26150.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Risden wrote: "That's what I used to think. Its called gimpy or pigmy(?) or some shit." Ok, one minor correction... my original idea was for gimpy(stepping opp knee bump) whirl to be called tilt-a-whirl and pimpy(stepping same knee bump if i'm not mistaken) pdx whirl to be called ferris wheel or some other clever carival name... but I'm not hitting either... so...I don't really care... pimpy pdx is still a [technical] tilt to a whirl so it's all good :) audi 5 TW From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 19 16:27:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28938 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:27:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from www0p.netaddress.usa.net (www0p.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.45]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA15109 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 08:38:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 14395 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jun 2000 15:37:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000618153751.14394.qmail@www0p.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.45 by www0p for [24.147.248.251] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Sun Jun 18 15:37:51 GMT 2000 Date: 18 Jun 00 11:37:51 EDT From: Gary Heffernan To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Around the world kick X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id QAA25337 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello all, i'm pretty new with freestyle footbag, i know how to do many stalls but i dont know how to do dex's. could someone tell me how i could learn the around the world kick? when they say "circle" the footbag, do they mean in a ferris wheel motion or a carousel motion? thanks a lot, Gary Heffernan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 19 16:38:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28981 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:38:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f139.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.139]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA31705 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:01:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 1693 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jun 2000 00:00:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000619000004.1692.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.226.208.194 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:00:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.226.208.194] From: "Kavin Thiffault" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] what is this? Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 00:00:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I was thinking of this move while trying to sleep (like every night) and I was wondering if this move exist or if it's a small move for all you crazy freestylers out there : Symposium Reverse Swirl. Like a set from wherever you want and then a symposium reverse swirl with the right leg for example, then the right leg lands while the left leg catch the bag in a toe (or something else)... Kavin "not so newbie now" Thiffault From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 19 16:39:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28991 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:39:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04295 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:04:52 -0700 Received: from ThisBeEvan@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.9c.4c55242 (2617) for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9c.4c55242.267ed9a2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:04:18 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Spins To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Can anyone tell me the diffrence between a front and back spin and some examples too? I would appreciate it Alot. -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 19 19:44:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29858 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:44:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA26393 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:37:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 23418 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2000 16:37:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000619163713.23417.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <9c.4c55242.267ed9a2@aol.com> Received: from [63.14.191.145] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:37:13 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:37:13 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spins To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Evan Edmondson wrote: > Can anyone tell me the diffrence between a front and > back spin and some > examples too? I would appreciate it Alot. > > -Evan Edmondson > Spins: Gyro= set from clipper, spin away from bag, setting leg does next component of the move. EXAMPLE: Gyro Butterfly- When you set from a right leg clipper,you sping clockwise, and your setting leg does the dex for the butterfly. Simple as that. Reg. Spin= set from clipper,spin away from bag original support leg does next component of the move. EXAMPLE: Spinning Butterfly- When you set from a right leg clipper, you spin clockwise, and your orignal support leg (not setting leg) does the dex for the butterfly. Not so hard to understand. Inspin= set from clipper, spin TOWARD the bag. EXAMPLE: Inspinning Butterfly- When you set from right foot clipper, you spin counter-clockwise and complete the butterfly on either side of the body. This actually goes a step further to inspinning gyro, but this is all you need to know for now. Did I screw that up anyone? Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 19 19:45:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29875 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:45:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f58.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA26830 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:03:08 -0700 Received: (qmail 21924 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jun 2000 17:02:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000619170216.21923.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000619000004.1692.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.107 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:02:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.107] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] what is this? Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:02:16 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Kavin Thiffault asked: >...Symposium Reverse Swirl. Like a set from wherever you want and >then a >symposium reverse swirl with the right leg for example, then >the right leg >lands while the left leg catch the bag in a toe (or >something else)... Hmmmm... need a bit clearer nomenclature. There can't really be a symposium swirl, you can have symposium swirling something. So here's a question what do you call a swirl bail to toe i.e. toe/clip>same f/b (i.e. rev. swirl)>opp toe which could be made symposium? I've hit this before and variations, but never thought up a name for it. There are now quite a few moves with a swirling motion in them and they are all a ***expletive deleted*** to explain. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 19 19:46:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29886 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:46:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f243.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.243]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA27945 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:45:09 -0700 Received: (qmail 79659 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jun 2000 17:44:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000619174414.79658.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000618153751.14394.qmail@www0p.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 12.5.165.12 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:44:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [12.5.165.12] From: "Frank Mingst" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Around the world kick Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:44:14 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Gary Heffernan said: >i'm pretty new with freestyle footbag, i know how to do many stalls but >i dont know how to do dex's. could someone tell me how i could learn >the around the world kick? when they say "circle" the footbag, do they >mean in a ferris wheel motion or a carousel motion? Basically it is a carousel motion. You should try circling your foot around a stationary object (road cones work great:) one time, stop, and circle the other direction, repeat. This drill will help you build up the muscles used andimplant themotion into your muscle memory. When you feel like you have worn this drill out, starting from a toe delay set the bag up as straight as possible. circle your foot around it and catch in another toe delay. Remember not to go over ther bag, but around it. Change directions and repeat. Look to either the inside or outside of your knee so that you can see the bag as it falls. And as always use both feet!!! Frank "devilman" Mingst From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 20 01:07:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31196 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:07:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4603.mail.yahoo.com (web4603.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.158]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA07893 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:11:17 -0700 Message-ID: <20000620001025.12131.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.2.11.34] by web4603.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:10:25 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:10:25 -0700 (PDT) From: john kingi Subject: [freestyle] sleepless nights To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Who the hell sleeps? I've noticed every one's comin up with moves in their sleep, me to. Came up with this and since im only tiltless i think its pointless of me to even consider trying it, But let me know if its already a move and if not, if its a possible move. Basically a pdx maraging symp butterfly swirl. I had the jobs notation at something like this... clip>sam in[pdx][dex]>(no plant while)op out[bod] [dex]>op back swirl[dex]>sam clip[xbod][del] I believe thats 7 add but slap me if im wrong. Sweet, cheers. Johnny "12adds" (tee hee) Kingi From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 20 03:26:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31651 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 03:26:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08742 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:56:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA81190 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:55:44 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:55:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunil Subhash Jani To: freestyle list Subject: Re: [freestyle] more move names In-Reply-To: <20000614034801.25167.qmail@web1004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Stylers: Stepping superfly has been dubbed: Torch-r Rack (pronounced torture rack)... in honor of Ahren (he's the only one I've ever see hit it) and Lex Luger's finishing move. Any questions... talk to the man himself. Shred on, fellows. -Tsunami From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 20 03:27:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31661 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 03:27:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08873 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:07:22 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust211.tnt12.chi5.da.uu.net [63.22.166.211]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21577; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <394EC37A.1564A47C@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:06:03 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: john kingi CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sleepless nights References: <20000620001025.12131.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org john kingi wrote: > But let me know if its already a move and if not, if > its a possible move. > Basically a pdx maraging symp butterfly swirl. > I had the jobs notation at something like this... > > clip>sam in[pdx][dex]>(no plant while)op out[bod] > [dex]>op back swirl[dex]>sam clip[xbod][del] > > I believe thats 7 add but slap me if im wrong. > Sounds like a pdx dada swirl to me, one thing to know is that it wouldn't be symposium... so it would only be 6 adds and it sounds possible, why not. alright, that should about cover it... see ya -TW From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 20 03:27:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31671 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 03:27:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10263 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:13:32 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000620021309.SLQD18072.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:13:09 -0700 Message-ID: <394ED459.BBB4C5D8@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:18:01 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spins References: <9c.4c55242.267ed9a2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Evan Edmondson wrote: > > Can anyone tell me the diffrence between a front and back spin and some > examples too? I would love to... Though James hit on the major points, there are a few things he left out. You can spin two different directions - spin or inspin. When setting from the right side of your body (ex. left foot clipper, right toe, etc.), and you spin counterclockwise, this is a 'spin'. In Job's notation, a spin is denoted by '(back)'. When setting from the right side of the body and spinning clockwise, this is an 'inspin'. In Job's notation, an inspin is denoted by (front). After a spin or an inspin, you can do a move on either the same side or the opposite side. In other words, you have a 'spinning same side butterfly', a 'spinning opposite side butterfly', an 'inspinning same side butterfly' and an 'inspinning opposite side butterfly'. So, there are four major variations of each spinning move. Now for the definitions of some commonly used terms. Spinning = spinning opposite side. Gyro = spinning same side. The *old* definition for gyro required that the set leg do the first dex after the spin. Though this generally works for moves set from the cross-body position, it does not cover any moves set from toe, outside, etc. Nor does it cover swirls or moves that contain no dexterity (osis, clipper, etc.). Inspinning = inspinning opposite side. Ingyro (?) = inspinning same side. Please note that I have been using 'ingyro', but it is in no way official. If anyone wants to think of a better name, please do. ** An important thing to notice is the definition of "same" and "opposite" side after a spin. These terms are relative to the location of the bag *after* the spin. In other words, if you set from a left foot clipper and spin counterclockwise (a back spin), the bag will be on the left side of your body. So, a spinning same side butterfly would be a left foot clipper set, a back spin and then a butterfly ending on your right foot clipper. Make sense? Let me know via one on one email if you want more clarification. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 20 06:12:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA32306 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:12:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13780 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:53:34 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:51:28 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFDA38.71C01260@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:50:55 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFDA38.71C01260@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: <000002518143044125691@mlerf.org> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] tilt-a-whirl Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:50:53 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derrick wrote... >I consider the second whirl of a whirl->snap whirl to be a legitimate paradox >move. I agree. I see this as basically an op whirl from an outside kick set. Please correct me if I'm wrong in this interp. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 21 05:07:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA04231 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 05:07:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14032 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:30:15 -0700 Received: from axs288 (tnt2-198-164.cac.psu.edu [128.118.198.164]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA34948 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:29:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200006210429.AAA34948@f04n01.cac.psu.edu> X-Sender: kxa141@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:26:42 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Kaiser Ahmad Subject: [freestyle] Millenniums = Less Shin Splints Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, everyone. I have once again subscribed to the list after almost two years of not being on it. I'm happy to finally rejoin you cool guys on the list. Anyways, I just wanted to bring up an issue about the Laver Millenniums. I know that this may be a tired issue, but I didn't write to bitch about it. In fact, I wrote in to commend the new Lavers. Those of you on the list that know me may know that I am an avid sufferer of shin splints. Well, I got my new pair of Lavers about a month ago, and believe me, it took me a while to get used to them. However, it was all worth it. I noticed that my shin splints have depleted during every session that I use the Millennium Lavers. And the speculation is true, they really do feel ten times lighter than the older Lavers. The new Lavers have improved my game by 40%-50%. Granted, it took me a while to adjust to them, but it was really worth it. I will always feel a certain loyalty to the older Lavers, but these shoes really have helped me. To those of you who love your older style Lavers, if they work for you, then stick with them if you'd like. But to those of you that suffer from shin splints, (and I know that there's a bunch of you out there) consider finding a pair of the Millenniums. The elimination of shin splints alone will definitely help your game. I hope that the new Lavers will help other freestylers the way that they have helped me. Thanks for listening. Lord Kay "Soze-Penn State Trio" From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 21 21:57:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06724 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:57:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Mark Leeman Received: from electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (root@electra.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.23]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27623 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:19:14 -0700 Received: from merak.cc.umanitoba.ca (umleema0@merak.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.10]) by electra.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA28127 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:18:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from umleema0@localhost) by merak.cc.umanitoba.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA12923 ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:18:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:18:43 -0500 (CDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Anyone near Chicago around July 4-7 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was just wondering if anyone was going to Cornerstone music festival (approx. 6 hrs south of Chicago) during the days of July 4-7/00 because it would be wicked if you could email me back personally and we could hook up there and rip it up. My level of play is, well lets just say that I've been seriously playing for about one and a half years. Mark Leeman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 22 05:48:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08118 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:48:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10839 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:53:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 10797 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 2000 04:52:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000622045251.10796.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.178] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:52:51 PDT Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:52:51 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] New Freestyle Video To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At the end of the sample of that new vid at http://www.geocities.com/jdcprd/all_media_productions.html, IS THAT A QUANTUM EGGBEATER SUNIL HIT?!?!?! I thought it was but I just cant believe my eyes! What does he call it?!?! Insane MOFO, that Sunil. Also saw the barraging pdx mirage, almost as sick, but not quite. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 22 08:09:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08458 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:09:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08455 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:09:45 -0700 Received: from fep2.excitehome.net (fep2.excitehome.net [24.0.26.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15596 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:37:56 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] by fep2.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000622073727.MVYE26825.fep2.excitehome.net@[24.16.24.8]> for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:37:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000622045251.10796.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000622045251.10796.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:37:25 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Freestyle Video -- STEVE DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James, and others, please don't support this person who spammed all of our users and whose website you just referred to with the video on it. We have a *right way* and a *wrong way* for people to use our service. Jeff Cummings, who most of you got mail from earlier today, used the *WRONG WAY*. I have written Jeff separately (I don't think he's on this list -- imagine that). I can and will ban his access to the footbag.org domain entirely (that means no access to my website from his home system, and no e-mail to any address @footbag.org ever again). This is INTOLERABLE. Nobody else even *think* of doing what Jeff did. If you don't know what he did, be happy you were left off his ridiculous spam mailing from HELL. I don't condone it, my system tries to prevent it, but obviously Jeff got around it. Jeff, if you're on the list, you're DEAD MEAT. To the rest of you -- please don't support him -- among other things, he has exploited all these great shredders by making a video for sale and never bothered to ask their permission and he doesn't know any of them (except the ones in San Diego). This is not acceptable in our community. Period. And James, please get a clue. Thanks. :-) Steve At 9:52 PM -0700 6/21/00, James Risden wrote: >At the end of the sample of that new vid at >http://www.geocities.com/jdcprd/all_media_productions.html, >IS THAT A QUANTUM EGGBEATER SUNIL HIT?!?!?! >I thought it was but I just cant believe my eyes! >What does he call it?!?! > >Insane MOFO, that Sunil. Also saw the barraging >pdx >mirage, almost as sick, but not quite. > >Later, >Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 23 05:02:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11798 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:02:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Tom Kotsakos Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14302 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:01:54 -0700 Received: from Honycherub@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.a8.6c9e3f2 (6153) for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:01:01 EDT Subject: [freestyle] reverse mirage To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was wondering if anyone has any pointers on the reverse mirage component of moves like smudge and blizzard. I can do reverse mirages fine from a toe, but I think that's because the bag is going up while I do the dex whereas the bag is coming down in these other moves. Is it only a matter of doing the dex faster? Thanks in advance, Tom Kotsakos Chicago Inner Circle From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 23 06:23:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11915 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 06:23:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11912 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 06:23:07 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17095 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:51:06 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000623055049.GTT1079.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.24.8]> for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:50:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20000622045251.10796.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:50:40 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Freestyle Video -- STEVE DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:37 AM -0700 6/22/00, I wrote: >among other things, he has exploited all these great shredders by >making a video for sale and never bothered to ask their permission I was wrong about this -- so please let me retract that one comment. Jeff *did* get written permission from most of (if not all of?) the players. So that's not a problem (thanks to those of you who informed me of this -- I just assumed I was plugged in more than I am :-)). But the issue still remains, and since I got a lot of questions, let me follow up with a clarification of what happened and why it's a big deal: --- For those of you who didn't get the "spam", it was an e-mail message that was sent to about 150 members of footbag.org by someone who is neither a member of footbag.org nor a subscriber to any of the e-mail lists that we manage. His message was a blatant advertisement (soliciting purchases of a videotape for money, and giving all the ordering information, etc.). Unsolicited commercial advertisements are by their definition "spam" and are not acceptable under the usage policies I've outlined to new members who join footbag.org. The use of people's e-mail addresses that are stored in their profiles on footbag.org is *only* for interested players who are trying to find other players and/or players with similar interests, and for *no other use*. Commercial use of this information, whether individually or in bulk as Jeff did, is strictly against the footbag.org charter and membership policy. The reason for this is simple, but multifold: (1) People who join footbag.org and the footbag e-mail lists have an expectation of privacy, promised by the WWFF, Inc., that their e-mail will not be given out in bulk for any use *other* than official IFC-sanctioned footbag organizers who are announcing official footbag events. (2) If users have subscribed to a mailing list, the expectation is that they will not receive off-topic mail or mail that is in any way exploitative of their membership. (3) Because there are several "interest" mailing lists (freestyle being the most active one), the expectation people have is that if they are *not* subscribed to a mailing list, they will not get topic-specific e-mail. That's why the lists exist -- to shunt traffic into buckets that make sense for the members. Over 1/3 of the members who received Jeff's spam were *net* players who did not ask to receive freestyle- related e-mail, and in fact who had a good reason to be upset (which they were) at having received it. In the worst case, Jeff should have sent his e-mail to the freestyle interest list, though we would have kicked it back to him as "too commercial" in which case he could have gotten it approved by toning down the nature of his mail and announcing that he had a video and if people were interested they could see him or his website for more information. (Videos and other products are *clearly* of interest and valuable to our community -- I don't intend to stifle the free and open discussion of those things; what I *don't* want is that this e-mail list become a marketplace where we lose users because they get tired of the spam. It's a *discussion* list, not a marketing mailing list.) (4) I make every attempt to keep spammers from taking advantage of the user data on my site (worth a lot of money to some people, let me tell you). It is disappointing to find that someone would spend the kind of time and energy Jeff obviously spent without realizing that we already have a self-selecting (and much larger) group of freestylers who he can communicate with on the e-mail discussion list. The fact that he was able to get all those e-mail addresses (again, many of whom are simply not freestylers) disturbs me because it implies that somehow I will need to do even more work to keep non-members and non-footbag-related people off my site. It's not a good feeling to spend so much time building so much value in my service to have someone come along and rape it without a second thought. Thanks for listening. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 23 06:44:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11947 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 06:44:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17072 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:47:00 -0700 Received: from patti.excite.com ([199.172.148.159]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000623054618.CLIY24508.fortune.excite.com@patti.excite.com> for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:46:18 -0700 Message-ID: <11681478.961739178925.JavaMail.imail@patti.excite.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Wulff Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Trivia Style 6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.33.33.36 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Ironman back with answers to 5 plus a new episode. We have a couple new folks on the scoreboard again and a new leader. Sweet! But the news of #5 is... for the first time, nobody came up with the correct answer for a question. Not even in part. That questions was #1. This was definitely the most difficult episode as only a few scored any points at all. Current resuts are copied below. Answers... >1. worth 4 adds in 2 parts... Who came up with the legbeater concept? >How did this person come upon/discover/invent this move? A direct e-mail quote from a good friend of mine will answer the question fully... "Dimitri and I were done skool'n one day and, though our bodies were spent on freestyle, our minds were not. So we decided to watch some freestyle video. We were just learning blur so we kept slow-mo'n the move. I had just gotten a new VCR that allowed me to slow-mo backwards. The minute I slow-mo'd blur backwards I knew it was a new move right away. In fact Dimitri hit it that same night. We did not have a name for it but" Dennis "D-Money" Jones next... From the category of "Who am I'... >2. 5 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old.... > >Sometime in the mid/late 80's I remember walking up to a little punk hot >shot kicker named Eric Wulff. He had won a few consecutive titles at the >East Coast Champs and rumor had it he was a pretty good styler. I said... >"Have you ever won a freestyle title before?" He said no. So I said... >"Want to do something about that?!" And we teamed up and won the East coast >Freestyle Championship. I was sponsored by Balywik footbag and, if I >remember correctly, had my signature stamped on the "Mumbus" model. This >was a 4 panel leather bag and one of the hottest freestyle bags of this era. >Who am I? If you said Andy Linder... score Now for episode 6. 1. worth 2 adds for old shoolers and 4 for new schoolers... Who of the original Big Add Posse is still completely active & on the cutting edge of style?! 2. Who was the man behind the idea for the original shred contest? Who won that original shred contest? right on! Ironman Aaron Edggerton - 7 Adrian Dick - 4 Alex Ibardaloza - 6 Becca - 41 Bob Green - 10 Brad Kaplin - 28 Corey Current - 12 Danny Cardonne - 4 Dave Reid - 5 Dennis Lee - 3 Eli Piltz - (-6) Eric "Wicked" Windsor - 8 Ernest Crvch - 5 GF Smoothie - 39 Ian Dubman - 17 Jeremiah J. Riley - 6 John Schneider - 42 Ken "Ceiling Fan" Semolinos - 22 Phillip Summers - 3 Scott "The Enlightener" Davidson - 11 Sebastian Duchesne - 10 Shredstein - 7 Stan Sagalovskiy - 3 Tina Lewis - 7 Tu Vu - 6 Vince Bradley - 11 Yacine - 7 _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 23 08:20:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12190 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:20:18 -0700 Message-Id: <200006231520.IAA12190@list.footbag.org> X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Edwin Santiago Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:18:48 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Freestyle Video -- STEVE DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Right on Steve. I may be one of the mailing lists less active writers, more of a sit back and observe kind of kicker but, I must comment on Steves quick and stern preservation of the positive attitude surrounding this sport. Thanks to Steve and people like him for retaining footbags 'good nature' Edwin Santiago (Pin-point) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 23 15:49:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13307 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:49:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA18303 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:15:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 17770 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2000 07:15:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000623071514.17769.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.144] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:15:14 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] big apple sauce To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org W'sap Big Apple Sauce would be 8 ADDS now with the spinning pdx, correct? Just curious, Jamez P.S. Wont it be cool in 5 years when this move is common? HEHE (I know it has not been hit yet) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 23 19:06:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14122 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:06:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26036 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:49:21 -0700 Received: from axs288 (tnt1-145-106.cac.psu.edu [128.118.145.106]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA58196 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:49:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200006231749.NAA58196@f04n07.cac.psu.edu> X-Sender: kxa141@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:45:58 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Kaiser Ahmad Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse mirage In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:01 AM 6/23/00 -0400, Tom wrote: >I was wondering if anyone has any pointers on the reverse mirage component of >moves like smudge and blizzard. I can do reverse mirages fine from a toe, >but I think that's because the bag is going up while I do the dex whereas the >bag is coming down in these other moves. Is it only a matter of doing the >dex faster? It could be that your dexes aren't fast enough, but I doubt that if you can already do reverse mirages. I'm sure your dex speed is probably fine. Just either fine tune your reverse mirages more, or if your problem is coming from moves like smudge and blizzard, then make sure that you are getting a decent enough pixie or blurry set in order to complete the second dex. Also, for blizzard, you might want to get down your paradox reverse mirages. They help a little. Other than all of this, just practice hard. That will get you the moves you need. LordKay From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 23 21:00:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14698 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:00:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1201.mail.yahoo.com (web1201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.137]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA28838 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:06:00 -0700 Received: (qmail 17729 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2000 20:05:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000623200548.17728.qmail@web1201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.191.51.97] by web1201.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:05:48 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Dion Subject: [freestyle] newbie greetings To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, my name is Joël Dion, proud newbie.This is my first time posting so please excuse me if I babble a little bit.I have been reading this list religiously for almost a year now and figured I should post something. First of all I wanted to express just how much footbag means to me.I always loved to hack and played whenever I could, but had no idea the level the game of "footbag" could be taken to. I discovered footbag.org last year around this time and it completely changed my life.(thanks Steve :-)). I would have to be a poet to acurately explain the depth of my addiction to this game, fortunatly you guys, and girls, on this list are among the few who might understand it.I am looking forward to meeting you all in Vancouver. The level of my game at the moment is not as good as I would have liked. I suffered a REALY bad groin sprain in march playing net.(out for 9 weeks,injuries suck!) and 2 weeks after I got better I sprained my ankle trying a hopover swirl.(the gods hate me) Before these injuries I was at the S*** I forgot to work on my weak side stage.Yesterday was my second time kicking since the ankle sprain and my small boast is--- Fear,Butterfly, Paradox mirage,legover,butterfly, Osis,(kick),flying clipper,op flying clipper,op flying butterfly, drop. this was pretty good for me! I do have a couple move questions, I have read everything on the footbag.org moves list and have tried over and over but I have yet to hit my first Whirl. my big problem is with the dex.I have hit and sealed a reverse whirl but am no closer to Whirl than the first time I tried it.please help.The other major move that is completely eluding me is Torque. regular or crispy.my big problem is with the 180 turn. after setting it I can`t seem to plant with enough force to spin??? Finaly, regarding Vancouver... I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba, in the dead center of Canada. there are many people in our club here who would love to go to the Worlds and pay the registration fee(to get smoked >__~ ), but only 2 of us might actualy make it because we have been saving up all year making hackrifices :-P .Is there anyone in eastern Canada(Ontario,Québec) who is driving to Vancouver(meaning you have to pass through WPG) and might have room for 1 or 2 people who could ride in the trunk or on the roof, pay their own food, and chip in for gas.( we have places to stay in Van). Please/s.v.p. email me at joel@footbag.org , or call me at 1-204-257-3629. Thank You / Merci Joël Dion P.S. If anyone IS passing through Winnipeg, even if you don`t have room , there are many people here who would appreciate if you could stop and school us for an hour or two.Anyways I `ll shut up now, told you I would babble ;-) later. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 24 07:36:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16145 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:36:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Tom Kotsakos Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07047 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:02:04 -0700 Received: from Honycherub@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.e0.624baeb (9639) for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 03:01:15 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Dragon Stepping set To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org My friends and I were wondering about something today while kicking. Now I think that this is impossible, but has anyone done or come close to a "Dragon stepping" set? Like a stepping set except the clipper is a dragon. Tom Kotsakos Chicago Inner Circle From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 26 05:07:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22726 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:07:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c517473a (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA20986 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901bfde70$55b39880$76181418@pinol1.sfba.home.com> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Freestyle Video -- STEVE DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:40:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is in regards to Steve chastizing the so-called SPAM sender who used the list to promote his video. For those who don't know, which is apparently everyone, this video is a project of Richard Abshire's. The "Jeff" guy who sent the message worked with Richie on the video. He has a small production company which should excite shredders because the video kicks ass. It is very quality in both content and presentation and is all exceptionally edited so don't let the controversy surrounding its publicity techniques scare you from picking it up. I understand that it is necessary to keep people from advertising on the list but I feel that something like this, that corresponds directly to shredding should be an exception. Steve knows a lot more about all this crap than I do so I don't want to anger him by posting this but I feel that it needed to be clarified that the video was made by Richie, a hardcore shredder and not the corporate goon that Steve described. Also, everyone on it signed a contract and everything so there is no worries there. Okay, peace out. Ryan Mulroney From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 26 22:35:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25673 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:35:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from davisbrody.com (mail.davisbrody.com [205.253.194.181]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04028 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:37:17 -0700 Received: from davisbrody.com [209.73.237.244] by davisbrody.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.04) id A14E1E01FA; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:22:22 EDT Message-ID: <39579304.A1191C05@davisbrody.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:29:40 -0400 From: Bruce Dole X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse mirage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tom Kotsakos wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has any pointers on the reverse mirage component of > moves like smudge and blizzard. I can do reverse mirages fine from a toe, > but I think that's because the bag is going up while I do the dex whereas the > bag is coming down in these other moves. Is it only a matter of doing the > dex faster? > > Thanks in advance, > Tom Kotsakos > Chicago Inner Circle Hey Tom, Here's a little more info on reverse mirages...I was having a real hard time with smudge for a long time, and was very confused about the reverse mirage component; I couldn't hit it to save my life even though my pixie set is pretty decent. Then a young, sassy shredder named Sunil told me the secret...dex with your knee. I hit my first smudge that day. This is what works for me...pixie set the bag around knee-height or a little higher, lower than smear. This helps you plant that pixie leg quicker so that the bag reaches it's high point after you plant. Planting the setting foot quickly is VERY important. Then dex with your other leg so that the bag goes directly under your knee...you should be using your thigh to dex, not your calf, like atw. You can twist the knee inwards a little, like the "hippy" atomic set (if you're famliar with that). But dexing with the knee and not the calf keeps your foot closer to the ground so you can plant more quickly and nail that op toe stall. As for blizzard, I don't have a clue, but I assume the reverse mirage part is pretty much the same. That's my input, Sunil or Ken Somolinos might be a better source of info, 'cause I've seen both of them hit it like it's nothing... Good luck! Later, Bruce From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 26 22:36:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25699 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:36:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from www0l.netaddress.usa.net (www0l.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.41]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01224 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:17:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 19321 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2000 16:17:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000626161733.19320.qmail@www0l.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.41 by www0l for [129.132.1.35] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Mon Jun 26 16:17:33 GMT 2000 Date: 26 Jun 00 18:17:33 MET DST From: Jan Zimmermann To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] German Freestyle X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id QAA24405 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello people! just a short notice for all of those that won't make it to the european champs: If you wanna see how freestyle's progressing in Germany check out these vids at www.footbagfreestyle.de, showing among others recent footage of Marc Inzinger and Jan Zimmermann (that's me:), two of germanies best freestylers. For all of you freestylers coming to the euros: can't wait to see you all! Jan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 26 22:36:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25678 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:36:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02220 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:43:20 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:43:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] SMURF = Shredding! Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:43:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shred heads- The Great Philly SMURF was this past weekend, and was a great time all around. The freestyle scene was a lot of fun (although really really hot weather prevailed all weekend long) and I think everyone learned at least one new move to add to their bag of tricks (I learned 'tap' I think it's called!). One of the sweetest things in my mind, was that there were several players that were attending their first event, or had only attended one event before. All these new players took their spankings without complaint and will no doubt be improving at an increased pace from all the pointers they picked up. It's great to see these young players breaking into footbag!! Another nice surprise was the presence of Kenny, Kendall, and Jasper (spelled right?) Shults. Kenny admitted to literally not playing at all since worlds last year, but didn't look too rusty at all if you ask me (dble dexes all over the place as a warmup etc...). It's definitely a nice thing to have people and players of the Shults caliber here in PA! In any case, I'm going to pass the ball to Ken CF (if you'll be so kind as to jump into this thread like we had talked about) to give you all the low down on who's hot, who's new, and how the east coast is shaping up, based on the tons of shredding we did this weekend. Also, Kaiser? or someone? Break down all the insane stylin' Ken was doing this weekend, so he's not forced to boast? I can tell you this much... he was pretty damned insane! All right, talk to you all soon. Bob "To tired from this weekend to write too much" Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 26 22:36:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25713 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:36:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f183.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.183]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA23941 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:41:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 11858 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jun 2000 10:40:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000626104042.11857.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.99 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:40:42 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.99] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] jitters Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:40:42 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Gotta quick question, has anyone come up with a good way to combat stage fright? It's kind of strange, I have no problem speaking in front of an audience, on camera, stage acting and so on, but when ever I have to compete I drop the bag every third move (for proof please see the last euro masters video). I guess for everything else I just feel exhilarated to speak in front of a crowd, and when I play I get so jittery I can't control the bag. Any suggestions? -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 26 22:37:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25724 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:37:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f222.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.222]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA22896 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:52:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 80370 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jun 2000 09:52:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000626095208.80369.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.99 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:52:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.99] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Freestyle Video -- STEVE DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:52:08 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org the superhuman, Ryan Mulroney wrote: "This is in regards to Steve chastizing the so-called SPAM sender who used the list to promote his video." In Steve's defence, he wasn't complaining that this guy used the list to sell his video, it was that he didn't use the list. From what I understand (I didn't get the mailing) he just sent the ad out to a bunch of individual e-mail addresses he got on Footbag WorldWide. I'd have to agree with Steve on this, if someone wants to send a message to the list telling people there's a new video available and where they can see more that's great, knowing this list we're libel to create enough hype on our own. But I at least don't want to be e-mailed personally with any kind of advertisement, I get enough Spam as it is. My two cents. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 26 22:37:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25735 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:37:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2005.mail.yahoo.com (web2005.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.205]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA12388 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:37:40 -0700 Received: (qmail 25952 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2000 05:37:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000626053739.25951.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.207.3.157] by web2005.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:37:39 PDT Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Laver Milleniums to pass on To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up Freestyle world? I'm just writing to let y'all know I have a pair of Laver Milleniums I can't use. I bought them for a friend who then decided he didn't want them, so I'm stuck with a pair too large for me. They are size 10, and I'll let them go for $45 with s/h. Thanks. Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 28 03:24:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30961 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:24:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22895 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:55:05 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna71.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.82]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA45652 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:54:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000626213019.00b0a8e0@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:54:18 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] German's are gross! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey freestylers, I hope some people have taken the time to go to the link Jan Zimmerman pointed out on this list. I've only seen the movies of him and Marc Inzinger so far, but these guys are sick! Jan has so much consistency in his sets, and his style is so fluid. Nothing about it looks forced (unlike mine. . .I practically burst arteries to hit a leg beater). Check out the second movie where he hits this run: drifter < drifter < spinning clipper < ripwalk op in [dex] > op out [dex]>same out [dex] > op front/back swirl [dex] > (back) spin [bod] > op clip [xbd] [del] and clipper > op in [dex] > same out [dex]> same out [dex] > op front/back swirl [dex] > (back) spin [bod] > op clip [xbd] [del]. Just another couple of moves that came to me in those moments before I fell asleep the other night. Shred on, all. And mad shout out to the German connection. Alex (Integer, of the Penn State Trio) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 28 03:31:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30989 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:31:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA01947 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:54:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 21743 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2000 08:54:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20000627085426.21742.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.153.252.243] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:54:26 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 01:54:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Jones Subject: [freestyle] World's, Freestylers, hotel of choice To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey hey, Where's the happening freestyle hotel? Are most of you staying at the Host Hotel (Plaza 500) or the alternative hotel (The Royal Hotel). Adios, Jane From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 28 03:34:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31002 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:34:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25973 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:00:01 -0700 Received: from [198.202.67.188] (198.202.67.188) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 27 Jun 2000 14:00:47 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:58:19 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: [freestyle] Shred Scoring methods Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello All, I was wondering if anyone out there had been developing alternative scoring techinques ?? Eric W, i have heard you have been working on a new scoring system to correct for moves such as atom smasher, and toe blur etc. .. . any details on this? I have *finally* gotten around to writting aShred Score calculator, and now i am looking for ways people would like to see the results scored. What i have so far is the standard: score= adds+((adds/contacts)*No_Of_Uniques); I think if you examine the results for the following run you'll find that it gives the same results as scoring by hand, but only requires the list of moves hit. *time saver* ---------------- ripwalk,ripwalk,ripwalk,blur,legbeater,whirl,osis,'paradox whirl',osis,barrage,smear,terrage,whirl, ripwalk,blur score=91.867 ----------------- The score is only a tiny part of what i have actually determined about the run ... also calculated: Toe moves,clipper moves, side A moves, side B moves, unique moves, Contacts,AddList,Add Total, Add/Contact ratio. Planned to be added are: dex/contact ratio,body/contact ratio,spin:contacts total dexs,total body, . . . whatever you want don't be shy with your scoring equations. Also, a shorter nomenclature for common moves is being developed to facilitate scoring in real time as a two man team. . . one guy says it, other guy types it. Source code will be released upon completion. if nothing else it was fun to build, Cameron -- #!perl-w use Footbag::Shred::Player;#holds player info(name,age,sponsors,bagtype ,years pro etc) use Footbag::Shred::Score;#holds info on $player=Footbag::Shred::Player->new(); $name=$player->name('cameron'); $ps=Footbag::Shred::Score->new(); @run=(ripwalk,ripwalk,ripwalk,blur,legbeater,whirl,osis,'paradox whirl',osis,barrage,smear, terrage,whirl, ripwalk,blur); $player->run(\@run); $ps->Score($player); $results=$ps->Score_Normal; print "Score for $name\n $results\n"; __END__ output: Score for cameron 91.867 From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 28 03:35:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31013 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:35:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27661 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:54:59 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:53:22 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFE047.59103F00@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:52:43 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFE047.59103F00@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: <20000626104042.11857.qmail@hotmail.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] jitters Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:52:42 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Andrew McCarger asked about stage fright(copied below)... I have never come up with a full proof way to *combat* stage fright myself accept NOT to try and fight it. I have spoken to a few who say they don't get "the fright". I am not so fortunate. I for one have been competing for a long time in different disciplines and am often surprised when "the fright" comes on yet again. I think it is born out of the fact that there is little time for recovery in a 2 minute routine. It is close to now or never. In order to perform well in a freestyle routine you need a calm focus. Adrenaline must be channeled positively. To try and hold it back or deny it is dangerous. In short, feel the fear baby... learn to love it... it is your friend... let it flow don't try to damn it up. This helps the fear become more of a rush which can be tapped into when needed... which of course still requires timing. Eric >has anyone come up with a good way to combat stage >fright? It's kind of strange, I have no problem speaking in front of an >audience, on camera, stage acting and so on, but when ever I have to >compete I drop the bag every third move (for proof please see the last >euro masters video). I guess for everything else I just feel >exhilarated to speak in front of a crowd, and when I play I get so >jittery I can't control the bag. >Any suggestions? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 28 06:05:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA31672 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:05:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08337 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:25:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 17538 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2000 05:25:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000628052520.17537.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000626213019.00b0a8e0@email.psu.edu> Received: from [63.14.207.123] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:25:20 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] German's are gross! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Alexander Faber wrote: >Blurriest twirl or blurrier twirl How bout blurriest swirl or blurrier swirl. Ive had 2 people tell me about the torch long ago hittin' SCORPIAN'S TAIL SWIRL!!! So I know for a fact blurriest swirl is possible. A COOL 4 dexer has yet to be hit on tape!! Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 28 18:12:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00964 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:12:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f48.hotmail.com [216.32.181.48]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA24887 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:15:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 50956 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jun 2000 14:15:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000628141516.50955.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 132.254.94.45 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:15:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [132.254.94.45] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] po folk. Worlds lodging. Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:15:15 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all you po people out there, here's an alternative to the alternative hotel, what about the hostel in Vancouver? I heard it's very nice and in an excellent part of town. HOwever, I don't know how far it is from the sites. Would anyone who knows Vancouver well please let me know how far in is from the majority of the action and any other pertainant information that you might have about the hostels in Vancouver. Okay, that's it from me. Oh yeah, again, if there is anyone in Mexico around the Queretaro or Mexico City area who wants to kick, I am in Queretaro, colonial Queretaras, phone: 213-6666. Later, Brian Mckenzie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 28 18:12:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00959 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:12:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20859 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 05:06:46 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:06:47 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01BFE047.59103F00@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] jitters Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:06:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric wrote: > I have never come up with a full proof way to *combat* stage > fright myself accept NOT to try and fight it. I think you're right.. There's not really a way to fight it totally. I think stage fright in any event comes from the participant putting a lot of pressure to perform well on themselves (or someone else puts the pressure on). I've only gotten stage fright once ever in footbag (98 worlds, and boy did I choke bad). The reason I got it this one time is because I changed my priorities in competing temporarily. In other competitions I always tried to remember that it's just a game, and always was able to go out and have fun and laugh at myself if I messed up etc. My stage fright experience came because I wanted everything to be sooo perfect-- too much pressure. So I guess my advice is to try to remember why you play (because it's so much fun) and sometimes that helps to avoid the pressure cooker syndrome (ie: stage fright). Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 28 18:12:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00969 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:12:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28852 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:23:53 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.201.189]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FWV003M2H6IK0@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:16:18 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] Worlds Registration To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <002301bfe11c$316e2860$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Is there anyone that could check in for me at worlds on Monday (or Sunday?). I'm not going to be arriving until midday on Tuesday or early Wednessday. If anyone can, I would appreciate it a lot. Just message me and we can set something up. Thanks, Sam Colclough From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 28 20:05:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01487 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:05:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f227.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.227]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03178 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:19:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 43690 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jun 2000 19:19:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000628191918.43689.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000628052520.17537.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from 152.163.213.81 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:19:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.81] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: cloudriz@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] German's are gross! Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:19:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Risden wrote: >--- Alexander Faber wrote: > > >Blurriest twirl or blurrier twirl > >How bout blurriest swirl or blurrier swirl. >Ive had 2 people tell me about the torch long ago >hittin' SCORPIAN'S TAIL SWIRL!!! So I know for a fact >blurriest swirl is possible. ... >A COOL 4 dexer has yet >to be hit on tape!! > >Later, >Jamez As opposed to what?...a "lame 4 dexer"...? blurriest swirl is being worked on but its not the focus of peoples shred sessions... shred is usually the focus of our shred sessions...big moves are extras...nice extras though. ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 28 21:26:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01799 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:26:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA06122 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:33:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 7582 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2000 20:33:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000628203330.7581.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000628191918.43689.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from [63.14.207.4] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:33:30 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:33:30 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] German's are gross! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bryan Fournier wrote: > As opposed to what?...a "lame 4 dexer"...? Umm, yeah! Just my opinion but, shooting set is not all that cool (not cool at all). Nuclear double down would be 10 times more cool and STYLEish. (even though its only 3 dexs) Just my opinion though (which doesent matter much). Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 28 22:44:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02088 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:44:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09587 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:06:53 -0700 Received: from axs288 (tnt2-184-199.cac.psu.edu [128.118.184.199]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA34870 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:06:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200006282206.SAA34870@f04n01.cac.psu.edu> X-Sender: kxa141@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:03:42 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Kaiser Ahmad Subject: Re: [freestyle] SMURF = Shredding! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:43 PM 6/26/00 -0400, Riefer, Robert wrote: >Hey shred heads- >The Great Philly SMURF was this past weekend, and was a great time all >around.... Also, Kaiser? or someone? >Break down all the insane stylin' Ken was doing this weekend, so he's not >forced to boast? I can tell you this much... he was pretty damned insane! Okay. The shred scene was unbelievably phat. I'll tell you about Ken. That kid is getting really sick. I saw him hit and seal stepping blender, torture-rack, and food processor. He seems to have improved very much since the last time we all saw him. Definitely one of the leading freestyle forces on the East Coast right now. Josh Penney was also pulling out some cool combos. Props to him and also to Scott Bevier. Both were monsters at the SMURF. I think the master, Kenny Shults, was even impressed. The net scene was also pretty phat. It was especially phat for me because I have been freestyling for almost five years, and I played my first net game this weekend. Net is cool! It was a lot of fun, and I encourage many other freestylers to try it out if they haven't yet. BIG, BIG ups to you, Bob Reifer. It was really cool of you to shack everyone up at your place for the whole weekend. You were also shredding pretty nicely too. Alright, gotta go. Lord Kay From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 29 00:46:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02510 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:46:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web705.mail.yahoo.com (web705.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.25]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA13194 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:52:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 18090 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2000 23:52:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000628235258.18089.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.206.193.170] by web705.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:52:58 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:52:58 -0700 (PDT) From: chris wollick Subject: [freestyle] nj shredders To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey, are there any shredders in new jersey that i could kick with between the first of july to the eighth? i'll be in cherry hill, pennsauken, teaneck, maple shade, and mt. laurel <---? although i'm not sure what days i will be in these cities. -chris From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 29 05:36:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03459 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:36:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f142.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.142]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21416 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:34:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 257 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jun 2000 04:33:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000629043349.256.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 165.247.52.139 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:33:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.52.139] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] smurf=shredding Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:33:49 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Sorry this is so late, my original version was so long I got it bounced back at me. Here's my abreviated account of the freestyle scene at the SMURF. Every freestyler who showed up got a lot out of it: most people made new friends, picked up a sun-burn, learned a new move, or even tried their foot at net. I saw everybody playing near their best at some point this weekend, from people hitting toe stall for the first time to sealed 7 add moves, which is saying a lot considering the 90+ degree temperatures and high humidity all weekend. It was great to see so many new faces this weekend. Guys like Sean Marcus, Mike Huarca, Kenny and Derric from Newtown, Greg and crew from Trappe and the Akron Ohio guys all stepped into the big circles and absorbed moves like sponges. Most of them picked up new two add moves like mirage and clipper at an alarming rate, and brought with them a catchingly enthusiastic attitude. Can't wait to see y'all at future tournaments. The intermediate shredders all seem to have improved since the last time I kicked with most of them. No longer content to be spanked, many administered spankings of their own. Kaiser "quasar/kazar/queso" Ahmad looked smoother and had some real nice guiltless strings, a few in the double digits, Kirk from Mechanicsburg PA regulated with some very nice strings with tricks like symposium mirages and torques. Dave "socks" Sanchez, Bob Riefer, and Tom from Westchester showed that the Philly area has a very strong emerging freestyle scene: cool moves, and more importantly long smooth strings. Neil "Soyboy/what's a weak side?/House of" Payne made all of us who weren't injured wish we had some excuse for why we weren't kicking as smoothly as he. Both he and Mel Schneider should be commended for consistently kicking at their best (very smooth and two-sided) as well as being so encouraging to absolutely everybody. The freestyle veterans at the SMURF also put on a good show. Josh Penney was hitting front side symposium atom smasher, symposium bubbas, PS reverse mirages, as well as hella hein combos like: legbeater-blur- atom smasher- legbeater-blur- atom smasher. Kenny Shults unexpectedly dropped by on Saturday, and shredded really hard. For a guy who "hasn't really played much since worlds (almost a full year)," vortices, scorpion's tail, and double spinning osis looked very easy. Vince Bradley came the next day and not only laid down some nice two sided combos, but reminded the rest of us why the sport is called "free style." Hell, I was trying double whammies by the end of Sunday. Scott Bevier scared me the most of anybody this weekend, playing at a very scary level all weekend. He reminds me of some Montrealers by his rapid rate of progress. So in closing, the shred scene at SMURF was phat, and people had a great time. There was much hanging out all weekend, and a good section of cross-over players. While it is great to see the East Coast footbag scene improve so much, it is even better to see it becoming a more tight-knit group of friends as well. The hanging out this weekend was just as good as the shred. Now excuse me while I go to the discussion archives and study Ethan's old reports so that next time mine will be shorter and sound better. It was great hanging out and footbagging with so many old and new friends this last weekend. Go East Coast! Ken CF Somolinos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 29 06:29:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03601 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 06:29:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23215 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:29:03 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:27:26 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFE14F.EF913480@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:26:42 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFE14F.EF913480@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred Scoring methods Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:26:40 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi All... Cameron wrote... >Eric W, I have heard you have been working on a new scoring system to >correct for moves such as atom smasher, and toe blur etc. .. . any details >on this? Yes, I submitted a proposal for updating the ADD system to every member of the IFC freestyle back around November. I've gotten positive feedback but nothing official yet. Posted below... Warning, the following contains much wordy crap. I would rather there be no system at all but if we're going to have one than the good one we have should be simply upgraded. later Eric and now... The adds system, by design, was created as a basis for measuring the difficulty of all footbag freestyle moves. The original system defines 5 component categories (dexterity, delay, body, x-body, unusual). The idea behind "additions" is that the difficulty of any move is dependent on the raw number of components one can execute after set and through the next contact/set of the footbag? How many "additional things" can you do and still set the bag and demonstrate control? The relative difference in difficulty between components is not considered significant and therefore each component is worth the same value or score? 1 point or "add". However, in recent years the players have realized a level of play which suggests certain components are significantly more difficult when executed in combination due to where they are in combination. Two examples... a. Because of the rules regarding paradox, more and more moves are worth 1 more add when set from a x-body compared to their counterpart set from a toe. I.e. - blur 4(clip>op in>op in>op toe) vs. toe blur 3?(toe>op in>op in>op toe) Take almost any blurry/stepping style move containing a paradox and set it from a toe and it loses an add. Yet, a stepping/blurry style set from toe is arguably at least as hard, if not more difficult, than from a x-body. Especially when you get into moves with more than 3 components. I.e. fog. b. The deeper you get into a move the harder it is to "add" a component and yet the less this component effects the difficulty score. I.e. - toe delay=1 add for 1 component, atw=2 adds.. 1 more component=100% more points, datw=3 adds.. 1 more comp=50% more points than 2, tatw=4 adds??.. 1 more comp than a double but only 33% more score than a double when arguably this move is significantly more than 33% more difficult. I propose 4 modifications/updates to the add system to compensate for the few weaknesses which seem to be becoming more significant as the level of play elevates and variety of style grows. As far as I can tell, not a single freestyle move loses adds based on these changes. Many moves gain adds where desperately needed. Also, some moves gain adds where not so desperately needed but I doubt anyone would consider it a crime? J. These changes better allow the add system to grow with freestyle as the wielders of blade slice ever deeper into the wounds of limit. And finally, these changes can be easily understood because the moves with new add counts resulting are almost assumed to be so already? i.e. atom smasher would be 4 instead of 3 adds. Modifications/Updates to the add system as understood presently? 1. X-Dex - Any dex which, in theory, passes both over and under the bag builds to be worth 2 adds each after the first is completed. 2. X-Spin - full spins build to be worth 2 adds each after the first is completed. 3. The "in" of an in-spin is worth 1 add. This is similar to the over dex in a "butterfly" or a "double over down" being worth 1 add. This will only effect the add counts of full spins with an "in" added to them. Why? because in-osis, osis, torque, etc. already get a body add for the "half" type spin which may be understood as "in" and similar to "over". 4. The Paradox idea is included on the backside of spins. The side in which the paradox dex occurs is reversed from a paradox without the spin. When executing an in-spin the paradox is not reversed. X-dex comments? Paradoxes are always x-dexes but x-dexes are not always paradox Whirl is an x-dex (this is the only dex I can think of which there might be confusion over) Toe set>op dex>op toe=x-dex Toe set drifter =x-dex (under-over-finish under) Fairy set Not X-Dexes? Pixie set Clip set drifter(over-finish under) Butterfly Step/blurry set Some prime examples of how add counts will be effected are below. I have not taken the time trying to create a complete list of freestyle moves. However, these rules are universal and can be applied to any move in question. Try it? you'll like it. Move add count break down Atom Smasher 4 not 3 1,2,1 (x-dex, x-dex, delay) Paradox Atom Smasher 5 not 4 2,2,1 (p-dex, x-dex, delay) Pixie op mirage 3 1,1,1(dex, x-dex, delay) Fairy op mirage 4 1,2,1(x-dex,x-dex,delay) Smog(pixie-op dlo) 4 1,1,1,1(dex, x-dex, dex, delay) Blur 4 1,2,1(dex, p-dex, delay) Toe blur 4 not 3 1,2,1 (x-dex, x-dex, delay) Toe blurriest 6 1,2,3 (x-dex, x-dex, butter-dex) Double ATW 3 1,1,1 (x-dex, dex, delay) Triple ATW 5 1,2,1,1 (x-dex, x-dex, dex, delay) Clip set double mirage 3 1,1,1 (dex, x-dex, delay) Toe set double mirage 4 1,2,1 ( x-dex, x-dex, delay) Flurry 4 1,1,1,1 (dex, x-dex, dex, delay) Fury 6 not 5 1,1,3,1 (x-dex, dex, p-x-dex, delay) Blurry barrage 5 1,2,1,1(dex, p-dex, dex, delay) Toe set flurry 5 1,2,1,1 (x-dex, x-dex, dex, delay) Paradox Mobius 6 not 5 1,2,3 (spin, p-dex, osis) In Spinning Osis 5 not 4 1,1,3 (in, spin, osis) Double spinning osis 6 not 5 1,2,3 (x-spin, x-spin, osis) In Spinning Mobius 6 not 5.. same as mobius? 1,1,4 (in, spin, torque) Atomic Whirl 5 not 4.. now same as blurry whirl 1,2,2 (x-dex, x-dex, clip) RipWalk 4 1,3(dex, op butter) Blurriest 5 1,1,3(dex, x-dex, butter) Barfly 4 1,3(x-dex, butter) Barrage 3 1,1,1(x-dex, mirage-dex, delay) Triage 5 1,2,2(x-dex, x-dex, mirage) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 29 06:47:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03746 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 06:47:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24387 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:13:03 -0700 Received: from ThisBeEvan@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.15.5d3c4b4 (4231) for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15.5d3c4b4.268c42ca@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <01BFE14F.EF913480@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:12:26 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred Scoring methods To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id GAA03731 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wa§§ Up? This shred scoring method Eric came up with in my opinion is. . . Awesome. Cool/Good work eric. -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 29 21:13:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06706 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:13:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f36.hotmail.com [216.32.181.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA17461 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:27:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 93842 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jun 2000 19:27:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000629192727.93840.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.206.172 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:27:27 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.206.172] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Freak injury ... Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:27:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everybody ... I was kicking the other day and I took to the air to attempt an eclipse, a move that I've usually not had too much trouble with. Well, when I came down my ankle rolled on me and I found myself on the ground and in quite a bit of pain. Now, it is a couple days later, and the pain is starting to dull, but I still have a slight limp in my walk. It hurts when I apply pressure to it or move it quickly, but other than that it doesn't hurt that much. I believe the ankle is sprained, but I can't be too sure since I know nothing of this. Just wanted to know if similar injuries have happened to others and how long it took to go away. Also wondering if there is anythign specific I can do to prevent an injury like this from happening again, since I was shocked to find myself on the ground ... Well anyway, if anyone wants to reply, help yourself ... Thanks, Cole Hobson http://footbag.cjb.net ps. You never realize how much you are addicted to kicking until you get an injury like this and you are unable too!! Grr! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 29 23:32:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07350 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:32:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from davisbrody.com (mail.davisbrody.com [205.253.194.181]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22393 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:38:22 -0700 Received: from davisbrody.com [209.73.237.244] by davisbrody.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.04) id AE6C8C00A2; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:23:56 EDT Message-ID: <395BC034.C5D258C8@davisbrody.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:31:32 -0400 From: Bruce Dole X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freak injury ... References: <20000629192727.93840.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey Cole, I sprained my ankle playing once too...if it's a sprain it probably swelled up and turned a funny color. If not, it might be a torn tendon or ligament. Check out dr.koop.com for more info. If it's a sprain or not, you can buy a ankle bandage in a pharmacy which will help support the area, and prevent re-injury. I've played with a bandage on my ankle and it doesn't seem to slow my game down at all. The bad news is that sprains take a long time to heal completely. Even after the pain is gone and it feels 100 percent better, it's probably not; but physical therapy can help you regain full strength and range of motion (in time). From what you wrote it sounds more like a tear of some sort, though. As for healing time, it varies with the injury, so I think you just have to wait and see. And when you start playing again, lay off the eclipses for a while, and avoid moves where you jump to the side, until you're certain the ankle's ready. Until then think RICE; Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation...another link for that one...same site, different page... Hope that helps, and it's nothing serious... Bruce Cole Hobson wrote: > Hey everybody ... > > I was kicking the other day and I took to the air to attempt an eclipse, a > move that I've usually not had too much trouble with. Well, when I came > down my ankle rolled on me and I found myself on the ground and in quite a > bit of pain. Now, it is a couple days later, and the pain is starting to > dull, but I still have a slight limp in my walk. It hurts when I apply > pressure to it or move it quickly, but other than that it doesn't hurt that > much. I believe the ankle is sprained, but I can't be too sure since I know > nothing of this. Just wanted to know if similar injuries have happened to > others and how long it took to go away. Also wondering if there is anythign > specific I can do to prevent an injury like this from happening again, since > I was shocked to find myself on the ground ... Well anyway, if anyone wants > to reply, help yourself ... > > Thanks, > Cole Hobson > http://footbag.cjb.net > > ps. You never realize how much you are addicted to kicking until you get an > injury like this and you are unable too!! Grr! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 30 02:01:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07871 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:01:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1302.mail.yahoo.com (web1302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.152]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA28454 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:55:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 26766 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jun 2000 00:55:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20000630005557.26765.qmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000628203330.7581.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.78.45.114] by web1302.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:55:57 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:55:57 -0700 (PDT) From: ERiC WiNDSoR Subject: Re: [freestyle] German's are gross! To: James Risden Cc: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- James Risden wrote: > > Bryan Fournier wrote: > > > As opposed to what?...a "lame 4 dexer"...? > > Umm, yeah! Just my opinion but, shooting set is not > all that cool (not cool at all). Umm, wait a minute. Can we please not slam another persons move and say their certain moves aren't *cool* ALL FREESTYLE MOVES ARE COOL!!!!! Anyone who thinks Someone's move is wacked because it seems weak when compared to a big move that hasn't even been hit yet needs to start hitting that big move before they start talking smack. >Nuclear double downwould be 10 times more cool and >STYLEish. Why use this as an example James? Thats like saying Big Apple is lame because Applesauce is so much cooler. NO ONE HAS EVEN HIT APPLESAUCE! NO ONE HAS HIT NUCLEAR DOWN DOUBLE! The fact is Big Apple and Shooting down double are PHAT moves, even if there are other comparable moves out there that are harder. RED must be proud of hitting this move and we should all be congradulating him, not reinforcing the idea that the move was lame and, "not cool at all." RED is the only person in the universe to have ever hit shooting down double. I can't even hit a shooting set. The move is hard and at the very least deserves respect. Lets start respecting others and their styles (even if you think its lame). We work hard for this shit man! Just my opinion Eric Windsor From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 30 04:08:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08461 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:08:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c517473a (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5U31t129554 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000d01bfe23f$c2919100$76181418@pinol1.sfba.home.com> In-Reply-To: <20000628203330.7581.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] German's are gross! Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:03:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Young James Whatever wrote: > shooting set is not > all that cool (not cool at all). Nuclear double down > would be 10 times more cool and STYLEish. > Later, > Jamez I would have posted this message to James personally but I feel that it needs to be said to all of the "newbies" and not just James. If you criticize moves as big as Red's shooting double down than you'd better show up to a tournament and be really good.....otherwise your ass will leave that tournament very swollen and discouraged. Ryan Mulroney PS props to RED From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 30 04:09:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08472 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:09:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.hmhs.com (firewall-user@smtp.hmhs.com [38.233.72.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29775 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:45:16 -0700 Received: by smtp.hmhs.com; id UAA09068; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:45:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(167.99.69.118) by smtp.hmhs.com via smap (4.1) id xma009064; Thu, 29 Jun 00 20:45:11 -0500 Received: by SVARLEXC05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:42:56 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000630005557.26765.qmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Wilson, Mike" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] German's are gross! Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:42:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric Windsor wrote: > RED must be proud of hitting this move and we should > all be congradulating him,.... I say, "Keep Shreddin Red. You must be one crazy mo-fo to hit a 4 dex." I hope to see it one day Mike From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 30 04:11:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08493 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:11:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28433 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:54:30 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:52:54 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFE1F2.C1D721A0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:52:14 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFE1F2.C1D721A0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: <20000629043349.256.qmail@hotmail.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] smurf=shredding Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:51:32 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The energy here is awesome! Great to hear the East Coast so pumped up on footbag. Keep it up everybody! I miss you man... `( not too much though... The West rocks with many East Coast transplants :) I look forward to seeing y'll at Worlds & Funtastik. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 30 05:37:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08685 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 05:37:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA02176 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:39:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 485 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jun 2000 04:39:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000630043906.484.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000d01bfe23f$c2919100$76181418@pinol1.sfba.home.com> Received: from [63.14.88.207] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:39:06 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:39:06 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] German's are gross! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Geez!!! Everyones chewing on my head!!! I think red is totally cool. I just dont like the shooting set. I think its awsome that he hit the first 4 dex move (on video). As for me showing up at a tourney and being GOOD, Thanx, im now scared shitless! I think im not bad for only shreddin a year and some odd months. Sorry that I publicly critisized a move before I hit it. I should have kept that to myself. If only i knew it would cause such a rukus! Now I have a question, Does anyone hit gyro double downs? Does it have a name? Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 30 05:38:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08696 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 05:38:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA02568 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:54:53 -0700 Received: (qmail 16364 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jun 2000 04:54:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20000630045453.16363.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000629192727.93840.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from [63.14.88.207] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:54:53 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:54:53 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freak injury ... To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Cole Hobson wrote: > Well, when I came > down my ankle rolled on me and I found myself on the > ground and in quite a > bit of pain. Hey, the same thing happend to me while attempting whirlwinds today!!! Not that serious though. Im still fine. > Just wanted to know if similar > injuries have happened to > others and how long it took to go away. Im sure this kinda stuff is pretty common in freestyle. Adam spraind his ankle a long time ago, it was shredable in like 2 dayz though. You should be fine when you wake up tommorrow. If its still hurts at all though, dont shred it. My knees have been hurting for the last month now, and i dont take time off cause 1) Im an idiot (you dont wanna be like me) and 2) Im an addict (I cant help it, shred is soo great...and I dont feel the pain after my legs are properly broke in.) > wondering if there is anythign > specific I can do to prevent an injury like this > from happening again, Warm up!!! Always warm up!!! Dont shred while hurting (like i said before, you dont wanna be like me, shreddin while hurt only makes you hurt more!) Keep Kickin It, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 30 16:51:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10314 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:51:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f248.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.248]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA14330 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:42:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 23047 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 2000 10:42:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000630104224.23046.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.97 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:42:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.97] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freak injury ... Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:42:24 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Cole Hobson wrote: >Well, when I came down my ankle rolled on me and I found myself on >the ground and in quite a bit of pain. Now, it is a couple days >later, and the pain is starting to dull, but I still have a slight >limp in my walk. Question: Ok, you turn your ancle, days later you're still in pain, why the hell are you asking us instead of seeing a doctor? It's probably just a sprain, but as a general rule if it's several days later and your still feeling pain, that's a good sign to NOT play for a while and get it checked out if you can. >Just wanted to know if similar injuries have happened to others and >how >long it took to go away. I've been lucky enough never to sprain or break anything in my life, but twisted ancles are fairly common, as they are among soccer players. >Also wondering if there is anything specific I can do to prevent an >injury >like this from happening again, Strech and strengthen your ancles, all the time. And for the Deitys' sakes don't play till your ancle heals. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 30 16:53:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10337 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:53:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13961 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:28:23 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.201.191]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FWY00FCGQEIUK@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:28:16 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] Taking Care of Business To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <004901bfe27d$e724c800$9b66fea9@billy> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Priority: 3 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was wondering. What is the best routine of exercises/stretches to minimize the ware and tear on your body from freestyling. Obviously stretching is important but which stretches are mandatory. I stretched a lot when I took Tae Kwon Do, so I know a few, but it feels like every kind of move (fairy set, whirl, etc.) has it's own stretch. Also, what is the best way to avoid shin splits. If anyone is a physical therapist or knows anything about this, could you send it to me. What I'm going to do, after I get some info, is make a page about body maintenance for footbag. I think it would be a good section up on footbag.org. Well anyway... Bryan F. Chad D. and I (hopefully more) are going to be kicking this weekend, call us up if you're near. (if this drawing looks funky, cut and paste it into windows notepad) / =B0\ \O ( /_/ | \/\ / \_ | / /|\ \ ___/_|_\___ You get what you give /=B0 /\ / ? |_ | O /O | /|\ /|\ / \ ___/_|_\___| | -Sam Colclough From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 30 16:54:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10359 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:54:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f117.hotmail.com [216.32.181.117]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA15509 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:23:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 43906 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 2000 11:23:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000630112320.43905.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.206.172 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:23:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.206.172] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freak injury ... Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:23:20 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I'd just like to thank everyone for all the advice and the support, when I thought no one would really care. My ankle feels okay today. There isn't anymore pain when I walk on it, yet I am still forced to have a small limp. That is probably just because my ankle doesn't have it's full strength back yet. Just so everyone knows, I didn't stretch before I shredded that time, and I now regret it, and realize that as part of the problem, but I only had like 5 minutes to kill, so stretching would have taken up too much of that time. Anyway, thanks again guys and I'll be sure to listen to what you have said ... Keep kickin', Hope I can soon! Cole http://footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 30 17:33:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10659 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:33:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f138.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.138]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA23922 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:44:51 -0700 Received: (qmail 43152 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 2000 16:44:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000630164421.43151.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <004901bfe27d$e724c800$9b66fea9@billy> Received: from 172.140.58.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:44:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [172.140.58.22] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Taking Care of Business Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:44:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is hella-cool! -DanK > / =B0\ \O > ( /_/ | \/\ > / \_ | / > /|\ \ > ___/_|_\___ > > You get what you give > > /=B0 > /\ / ? > |_ | O > /O | /|\ > /|\ / \ > ___/_|_\___| | > > -Sam Colclough From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 30 17:35:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10674 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:35:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from foundationcomputing.net (foundationcomputing.org [207.160.174.55]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24217 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:54:45 -0700 Received: from [207.160.174.20] ([207.160.174.20] verified) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with ESMTP id 41728 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:53:22 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:53:25 -0500 Subject: [freestyle] Styling in DC From: Derrick Fogle To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The bad news is that I missed Vince and crew. I was on foot, and forgot the directions. The good news is that I had a great time anyway. I walked down to the Lincoln Memorial and kicked on the closed off asphalt roadway out front. Despite the lack of music, I kicked well for an hour and a half or so. The whole time, streams of people were coming by, many giving me encouragement. Kids would stop and watch for awhile with that telltale slack jaw, wide-eyed look. At the end of the session, it was getting dark, and I was pretty fried. Finally a group of kids came up and started asking questions and wanting to kick my footbag. Over the next 45 minutes I ended up talking with 40 or 50 teenage kids from 3 different groups, letting them kick my bag and chatting with them. They all seemed to excited about kicking! I had a great time. Then our flights got changed, and although I wanted to go kick with the locals on Friday, I wasn't about to let myself get separated from the people who were taking me to the airport. We ended up getting to the airport 3-1/2 hours early. With a fresh change of clothes with me, I ended up kicking at Dulles airport for another hour and a half. I was bummed about missing other kickers, and was having a lousy session. But, again, at the end of my session, a couple of guys stopped to talk and I ended up kicking with them a bit. I taught one of the guys to do a toe delay. Again, very excited about kicking! Ending my session by kicking with a couple of enthusiastic newbies really dispelled my foul mood, and made the whole kicking session seem worthwhile. I'll be up in Frisco, CO in a couple of weeks if anyone is in the area and would like to kick with me. ____________________________ Derrick Fogle Still studying at the Old School Footbag U From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 30 23:08:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11951 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:08:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1006.mail.yahoo.com (web1006.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.96]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA30818 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:08:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 2949 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jun 2000 20:08:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000630200814.2948.qmail@web1006.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000d01bfe23f$c2919100$76181418@pinol1.sfba.home.com> Received: from [130.212.201.95] by web1006.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:08:14 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:08:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahren Gehrman Subject: Re: [freestyle] German's are gross! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey yo. The Regulator writes: > I would have posted this message to James > personally but I feel that it needs to be said to > all of the "newbies" and not just James. If you > criticize moves as big as Red's shooting double > down than you'd better show up to a tournament and > be really good.....otherwise your ass will leave > that tournament very swollen and discouraged. Amen. I've heard way too much trash talking on this list from people I've never even heard of. I used to be a cocky little shit, until I got paddled HARD by the masters of this game. I've learned a lot about respect and humility since then. And it's not just all about level of play either. Respect your elders, just like you should anywhere else. Pay your dues, or pay the price. Nobody will respect you until you show some respect yourself. Did you catch how many times I just said respect? RESPECT! Get it in your head now, so you don't have to learn the hard way. As for shooting down-double. Well, I do both shooting AND nuclear sets. Shooting is harder (in my opinion), and shooting is definately a double dex. And it's got style. Red, you are the man. So to all you trash talking newbies, shut your mouths and know your roles, or pull down you pants 'cause you're gonna get SPANKED! Just like I did. Torch