From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 1 06:37:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06227 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:37:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10946 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:34:30 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:32:13 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFCB47.BA9E0D20@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:32:32 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFCB47.BA9E0D20@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: <20000526164238.79010.qmail@hotmail.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] routines Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:32:30 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I saw Rob Reifer responded to Kavin's question about building a routine. Personally I really like what Rob had to say and would like to add a bit. In general routines take an enormous amount of stamina which shred doesn't necessarily require. Therefore, if you're not physically ready when you go out you will be in for a rude awakening around the 30 second to 1 minute mark. Spend some time of every session practicing long strings exclusively. Similar to what Bob said I suggest you get the song you like... if possible edit it to get the 1:30 or 2:00 minutes out of it you want... kick to it at least a couple times every time you kick. For the first couple weeks you will have to spend more time on your routine til you start hitting it. You can plan it ahead of time or let it unfold as you practice. Execution is key. Save most of your cutting edge for shred. Nerves will most likely hit like you've never imagined when you go out to compete so... Take your bread and butter to your routine. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 1 06:39:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06243 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:39:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f110.hotmail.com [216.32.181.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA06824 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:28:42 -0700 Received: (qmail 80762 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2000 02:27:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000601022742.80761.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <15620290.959803945005.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Received: from 64.20.56.237 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:27:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [64.20.56.237] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:27:41 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Yacine (Yax!!!) wrote: >We'll never know who THE best is because there is no such thing. It's > >really personnal - you decide who you like the most. True, very true. Freestyle is just that. It's Free "Style" and we all have our own style of playing the sport. I mean, sure you can look at tournament results and see who's won the most in the open division but really, tourneys don't mean jack! Some people choke on their routines and some don't. Check out vids, then come to Vancouver this summer and decide for yourself. The Mouse P.S. My fav shredders have got to be Ryan and Eric. (Watch me get snubbed at Worlds by the other guys now.) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 1 06:40:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06276 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:40:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Ariel Santesteban Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06351 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:12:20 -0700 Received: from knuckles.excite.com ([199.172.148.179]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000601021135.FACM12509.kuku.excite.com@knuckles.excite.com> for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:11:35 -0700 Message-ID: <11742417.959825495661.JavaMail.imail@knuckles.excite.com> In-Reply-To: <34.5d7c56b.2666027b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:11:35 -0700 (PDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 143.166.99.251 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 31 May 2000 01:51:55 EDT, Evan Edmondson wrote: > Who is the best freestyler as of now? It is Austin Sparks. I went to Westerns to check him out for myself, and he made a believer out of me. Ariel Santesteban Austin Style Footbag Club _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 1 06:42:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06291 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:42:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f124.hotmail.com [216.32.181.124]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA03821 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 18:05:42 -0700 Received: (qmail 60585 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2000 01:04:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000601010439.60584.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.211.46 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2000 18:04:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.211.46] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:04:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yacine Merzouk wrote: >We'll never know who THE best is because there is no such thing. It's >really personnal - you decide who you like the most. Watch vids. Go to >tournaments. My favorites are Chad and Rippin. If I watch a vid and >one of them's on it. They pump me up so much I have to go outside and >school! Yeah, I agree with that statement entirely, I don't think there is a way to find out who is best exactly, unless someone is far and away better than everyone else, because everyone has their off days. Like you I have some favorites that I love to watch on video, guys like The Regulator, Irish, Chad (he's got the coolest nickname), Rippin' and a whole bunch of others. I guess you could say whoever wins the open worlds freestyle competitions is the best, since that is the biggest tournament. Cole http://www.footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 01:55:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09298 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:55:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA31941 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:04:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 1741 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2000 01:03:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602010339.1740.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <11742417.959825495661.JavaMail.imail@knuckles.excite.com> Received: from [63.78.45.118] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 18:03:39 PDT Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:03:39 -0700 (PDT) From: ERiC WiNDSoR Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle To: Ariel Santesteban Cc: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Ariel Santesteban wrote: > > > Who is the best freestyler as of now? > > It is Austin Sparks. I went to Westerns to check him > out for myself, and he > made a believer out of me. > > Ariel Santesteban I would definitely have to agree with you on this one Ariel. His level of skill for a twelve year old is untouched. His potential is far greater than anyone I've ever met. If you don't believe me ask anyone who was at Westerns. May I remind folks that Austin's Dad bought his lavers only a day before Westerns and he was kicking the whole weekend in lavers that were not broken in. What will he be hitting in a month from now after his Lavers are totally broken in? He hit his first whirl ever at Westerns on Saturday after a little schooling from your's truely. The next day of the competition he was busting them in the middle of his runs (I was so proud). I know many people that took a very long time to learn whirl and this kid did it in one day. Not only that, he kicked butt in the intermediate freestyle competition. (Way to go Austin for having the courage to compete at such a young age). Austin is no joke. You'r going to be blown away at Worlds. I think for people to truely reach the next level is to know about the sport at a young age. I didn't even know how to do an around the world until age 18. I wish I would have been 2nd place intermediate at twelve years old. The point is....... everybody please give your cheap players packet bags to the little kids out there and shred for them while your at it. Many times have I been kicking and a family with a couple of kids will walk by. The kid's eyes are always glued to our session while the parents are dragging them by the hand saying "okay lets go," not even paying attention to our game. Just my opinion -Windsor P.S. since everone is on the subject of who their most favorite styler to watch is I will put mine in order of most favorite. 1. Rippin 2. Lon Smith 3. Executioner 4. Iron man 5. Torch Woa, that took a long time to think about. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 04:18:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10108 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 04:18:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02682 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:40:43 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:38:26 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFCC00.FC0C6400@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:38:39 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFCC00.FC0C6400@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: <20000531162449.24143.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Western Regional & Women Freestylers Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:38:37 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all... Jane wrote... >I hope any women >freestylers on this list plan on representing our >endangered bracket in Vancouver this August! I am going to put out my opinion here and it is NOT shared by my wife Carol. Carol would be doing everyone a bit of an injustice if she was to compete in anything but the open bracket. She is and Open competitor... man or woman has nothing to do with it. >Hey, I'll be at European Championships in July...who >else is going? I sure hope you're going to be at worlds Jane. I for one was expecting you at westerns and so was Carol... :( Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 04:20:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10131 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 04:20:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f175.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.175]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA03038 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 19:51:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 79636 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2000 02:50:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602025014.79635.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <34.5d7c56b.2666027b@aol.com> Received: from 205.189.152.11 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:50:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.11] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:50:14 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "The best" is sort of the wrong statement to use I think. "The best" will NEVER be decided because everyone has their own opinions. However, the "most talented" should be clearly known. Now, I think we can all agree that Kenny was, and may still be, the most innovative/inventive/stylish/variety-filled/high-staminad/high-endurenced/high-chorrismad player yet, but again, with all of these other freestylers like Ryan, Scott, Eric, Peter, Tuan, Ahren etc., there's just no telling in actuality, who the "most talented" is. But I think it's very important to consider all aspects of their game other than JUST style and the crazy moves they can bust. But think how amazing it would be for a player to just all-of-a-sudden come out to the worlds, and blow everyone away with an extensive, long-ass, technical shred. My personal "favorite" or idol player right now (from what I've seen (based on all the attributes stated above)) would have to be Ryan. Now, he lacks in my opinion one of these aspects but there is no way in hell that I'm gonna say what it is, 'cause I basically have no right to 'cause I suck, but other than that, he's my personal favorite. *please: no weopons to be used when bashing the @#!* out of what I just said :) o o \_/ Mike D | A.K.A. :(SNAKEeYES): ^ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 04:31:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10237 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 04:31:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA10234 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 04:31:24 -0700 Received: from fep2.excitehome.net (fep2.excitehome.net [24.0.26.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05413 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:00:52 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] by fep2.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000602040018.DKYR26825.fep2.excitehome.net@[24.16.24.8]> for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:00:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000602025014.79635.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000602025014.79635.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:00:52 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:50 PM -0400 6/1/00, Mike Del Borrello wrote: >...would have to be Ryan. Now, he lacks in my opinion one of these aspects I think we need to nip this part of the thread in the bud: Sorry, folks, but it's just not cool to talk on this list about how we feel about individual players (whether they're on the list or not, whether the comments are positive or not). The question "who is the best" is simply illegitimate and while everyone has their opinions, this e-mail discussion list is not a popularity contest nor a poll. And it's certainly not a forum for picking apart the qualities of particular players or putting players on a pedestal. We're all the best at this sport, and which heroes we worship is a very personal issue for each of us. This list is a forum for discussing the sport itself. Sure, we can point to players and talk about things they do, but this particular thread feels to me like it's risking seriously offending certain players for no real benefit. Please let's discuss general issues around this thread, and not go into listing all our favorite (and least favorite) players, or making other value judgments about their style, technical ability, or personalities. It's just not cool. Thanks. Steve P.S. This is my opinion as a list member, not as a moderator. Brian is the moderator; I'm not saying he should kill the thread, but I do want to raise this issue because I feel certain players are close to being offended if they haven't already been by this discussion, and that bothers me. Thanks for listening. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 05:46:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10453 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:46:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07383 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:12:14 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.201.180]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FVI00GJKGXJ63@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 22:08:05 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] Double Sided To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <001b01bfcc50$8b03df40$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hung out with Chad D. at SFO airport on Monday night after Western Regional. We were talking about different styles and becoming equal on both sides (ambifootdexterous :c). Of course, some obvious drills are clipper > clipper > op clipper > clipper etc. and same with butterfly once I get my clippers down. I was hoping that a few of you would be able to send me some other drills that are made to bring my style to equilibrium. In other words, make me even on both sides. Thanks! Also, I think that there should be a drill section on footbag.org. I don't mean, "Hey make a drill section!" I mean, "You know what would be a good resource?" aNyWaY... There could be clipper drills and other neat ones. I remember some were posted on the list before... a particular example comes to mind, a beginner's drill: toe > atw > mirage > legover (now on other foot)> atw > mirage > legover and repeat. I know that I would utilize a section like this and I think it would help make newer players become more consistent. BTW, Western Regional was awesome. The players were all helpful to us newbies, and the atmosphere was great. Thanks Steve for all your hard work. Oh and you should have seen Carol's run. DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMN! -Sam Colclough From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 15:50:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11430 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:50:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com [207.46.181.30]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12718; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:07:22 -0700 Received: from czpwa - 207.94.119.88 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:06:09 -0700 Message-ID: <008301bfcc72$5c430f60$58775ecf@czpwa> From: "Richard Reese" To: , "Steve Goldberg" Cc: References: <20000602025014.79635.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:10:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Steve, Lighten up man. I look at all the stuff on this list and was pretty entertained by this subject. I do have to say that I'm very thankful and honered by having my name mentioned on this subject. I will repeat the age old adage, you're your own worst critic, therefore, I will say also that I am not the best, not even close, once upon a time, maybe, but not lately. The best is definitely a relative term so I will give everyone a quick run-down of my opinion. Having an extensive vocabulary (Kenny always used to say it that way) , in other words,wide variety, long strings, consistancy,creativity, and sealing ability are some of the best things to look for in a shredder. Is it Ryan? Maybe. Is it Chad? Maybe. How about Peter, Eric, Brian, Ahren, Sunil, Dave, Lon, Tuan, Daryl, Carol, Austin...... Scott, Eli, Tu, Red, Eric Wi ., Need I go on, we are all the best, ( yea, in certain circles). Kenny is my hero, But I think all you guys are awesome,including many I did'nt list. So keep pushing the limits everybody, because this sport rules! You're not so bad either BRAT. See yall at Worlds. Rippin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Goldberg" To: Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle > At 10:50 PM -0400 6/1/00, Mike Del Borrello wrote: > >...would have to be Ryan. Now, he lacks in my opinion one of these aspects > > I think we need to nip this part of the thread in the bud: > > Sorry, folks, but it's just not cool to talk on this list about how > we feel about individual players (whether they're on the list or not, > whether the comments are positive or not). [...] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 15:53:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11459 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:53:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA13251 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:22:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 43400 invoked by alias); 2 Jun 2000 08:22:17 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 43385 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2000 08:22:17 -0000 Received: from wdialup155.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.160.142.155) by dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Jun 2000 08:22:17 -0000 Message-ID: <39376E9C.FAE9A7E1@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 02:21:48 -0600 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Rod Laver arches Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does anyone else find that the arch in Lavers is very high and confining? I hope mine will stretch and break in because they're killing my feet. Now I've worn them and can't send them back for a larger size. M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 15:56:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11482 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:56:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21468 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:20:06 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:19:36 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000602010339.1740.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 08:19:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric Windsor wrote: "The point is....... everybody please give your cheap players packet bags to the little kids out there and shred for them while your at it." I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. For younger potential players, it doesn't take much encouragement sometimes for them to get much more interested. A free bag from a player is just the type of thing to hook these kids. I started by giving all my younger cousins a sipa, and then usually try to carry an old bag with me to give to anyone that even raises an eyebrow. Sometimes I will even print off a couple of quick and easy word documents describing what the hell we are doing-- I leave them next to where we play, and every now and again someone will pick one up... spreads the web address around etc. Good call Eric! Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 15:57:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11495 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:57:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f227.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.227]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA22254 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:55:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 13495 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2000 12:54:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602125421.13494.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.98 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 05:54:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.98] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Injury Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 05:54:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi List, I got the weirdest injury playing yesterday. The little bulge just above my heal started hurting, but only after I'd stopped playing. I was kicking with some new players and didn't want to bore them with my 25 min warm up, which probably didn't help. Now when ever I put any pressure on my foot, or try to raise it get a shooting pain from that little boney protrusion. Anyone know what causes this? I'd almost say it sounds like a stress fracture, but I'm really light on my feet. And because I just love mixing topics... I kicked with a player who started less than a week ago and had basically only played alone. First what blew me away was that he could use both feet, toe, inside and outside and control the bag enough to pass every time. I showed him how to do a toe stall, which he picked up in a few minutes. I then showed him atw and clipper, which he managed to do off of a pass after controlling the bag. He also managed to do leg overs, both sides. He was kicking with a supper bad hacky sack so I gave him a real bag. Manuel, you are the man. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 15:58:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11521 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:58:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24928 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:16:41 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:16:11 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01bfcc50$8b03df40$9b66fea9@billy> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Sided Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:16:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sam Colcough wrote: "Also, I think that there should be a drill section on footbag.org." I think this is a good idea too. I would definitely use that resource to strengthen my game etc. Maybe we don't need a new section though, but could just begin to add drills into the "tips" section for each move. For instance, under the tips for the clipper stall, someone could insert clipper drills. Quick aside: Is the general opinion that only absolute experts should post tips in the "tips" section? OR is it alright for anyone to post there, as long as they make sure to state their skill level or something like that (the reason I say this is because if I have ideas on how to best hit say torque, I should maybe temper my tip by saying that I am not the best "torque hitter" ever.. or something like that.) Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 18:18:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12314 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:18:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.18]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA30674 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:54:04 -0700 Received: (qmail 86854 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2000 16:53:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602165301.86853.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000602125421.13494.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.50 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 09:53:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.50] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: damocles_schwert@hotmail.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Injury Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 12:53:01 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Andrew, i've got that very same thingy above my heel, and it's KILLING ME!!! i stopped playing for 3 weeks, hoping it would heal - and it did, partially. but now if i skool for a few days in a row, it begins hurting again. i went and got those callous cushions to put on it, and they DO help somewhat. what helped more than that (and also helped my game) was loosening the lacing. so if anyone has any tips for Andrew, please CC them to me as well. thank yoU! Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 18:43:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12412 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:43:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f84.hotmail.com [216.32.181.84]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00982 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:09:58 -0700 Received: (qmail 79774 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2000 18:08:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602180859.79773.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from 154.5.61.230 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 11:08:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [154.5.61.230] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Sided Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:08:58 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Bob wrote: >Quick aside: Is the general opinion that only absolute experts should >post tips in the "tips" section? OR is it alright for anyone to post >there, as long as they make sure to state their skill level or something >like that. Hmmmm. Interesting question but I believe that anyone SHOULD post. This is one of the privileges of being a member in the footbag community, no? I also believe however, that posting a tip on a move that you do not seal into your shred on a regular basis in a no-no. It's pretty much getting that message to the other players that will make the tip section a great place to learn and like I posted earlier, please post tips to the site if you haven't already. Thanks. The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 19:06:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12554 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 19:06:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01691 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:28:47 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:28:17 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000602180859.79773.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Sided Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:28:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mickey Mayer wrote: "I also believe however, that posting a tip on a move that you do not seal into your shred on a regular basis is a no-no." Hi again- I agree with this in a sense. It is not good to post tips or drills that seem to be of an expert opinion, but are really being forwarded by someone who has never hit the move they are making suggestions about. On the other hand, there may be valuable observations made by players that cannot hit a move, so tempering their suggestion with something like "I'm not expert, but I noticed that I come close to hitting whatever move when I..." might be a good way to get their input, but also avoid disillusioning readers. For example, my girlfriend cannot even hit a toe stall yet (we're working on it though!!) and her observations have helped me a lot with moves like ripwalk, and smear. OK, that's about it for now. Bob Riefer PS- And like Mickey notes in his last message-- add those tips in!! I'm reading them and so are others.. so don't think your efforts are fruitless ;-) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 19:44:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12646 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 19:44:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from outercourt.com (mail.compuweb.com [206.233.204.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28723 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:08:02 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:14:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200006021214.AA19071668@outercourt.com> In-Reply-To: <20000602125421.13494.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Laird Smith" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Injury X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In response to Andrew McCargar's "mixed" subjects email: It was interesting that you first discuss an injury. Then you go on to talk about a new kicker who had balanced control after a week whom you then went on to teach stalling moves to. Training someone is more than showing him a set of techniques that you personnaly ascribe to and in fact were just injured by. Training is giving them a basic understanding of basic kicking (not stalling) moves so that they continue in a balanced fashion to kick the footbag, not stop it in lots of contorted ways. Just another view from someone who appreciates all kinds of freestyle and feels there is a lack of true basic training for basic kicking in a non-injurious fashion that accomodates all types of freestyle kicking. Laird Smith From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 20:03:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12726 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 20:03:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (mail.cgocable.net [24.226.1.11]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04120 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:21:55 -0700 Received: from [24.150.5.193] (cogeco-150-5-193.cgocable.net [24.150.5.193]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.10.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e52JMOD19174 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:22:24 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:19:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Rod Laver arches From: Neil Bearse To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39376E9C.FAE9A7E1@uswest.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org on 6/2/00 4:21 AM, Matt Wafaie at mattius@uswest.net wrote: > Does anyone else find that the arch in Lavers is very high > and confining? I hope mine will stretch and break in > because they're killing my feet. Now I've worn them and > can't send them back for a larger size. IF youre talking about the arch supports that come in the lavers, just rip em out. take out the insole, and then take out that little foam wedge support. Neil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 2 20:03:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12737 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 20:03:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (mail.cgocable.net [24.226.1.11]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04560 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:30:11 -0700 Received: from [24.150.5.193] (cogeco-150-5-193.cgocable.net [24.150.5.193]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.10.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e52JUaD26204 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:30:36 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:27:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Injury From: Neil Bearse To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000602125421.13494.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org on 6/2/00 8:54 AM, Andrew McCargar at damocles_schwert@hotmail.com wrote: > > I got the weirdest injury playing yesterday. The little bulge just above my > heal started hurting, but only after I'd stopped playing. I was kicking with > some new players and didn't want to bore them with my 25 min warm up, which > probably didn't help. Now when ever I put any pressure on my foot, or try to > raise it get a shooting pain from that little boney protrusion. Anyone know > what causes this? I'd almost say it sounds like a stress fracture, but I'm > really light on my feet. yeah, i know this problem. ive got it too. The sheath around your achilles tendon can swell, right at the insertion point into the calcaneous. Some people are unlucky in the 'build' of their feet, and are more prone to this problem than others. It is prevalent in jumping sports, like Volleyball and basketball, and of course footbag. The fact that Lavers have very little support doesnt help the situation either. Make sure to always stretch!!! I ignored this prob for about a year....and the soreness turned into a nice bump on the back of my heel... i thought it was a bonespur... but its just what doctors call 'a pump bump' (named after women who wear high heel shoes and get the same prob). now i get laser treatment on it every 3 weeks or so... and its finally starting to go away :P SO make sure to stretch... its a bitch if you let it go -NEiL From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 3 06:41:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14195 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 06:41:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f26.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.26]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA06439 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:13:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 44011 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2000 20:12:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602201234.44010.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <39376E9C.FAE9A7E1@uswest.net> Received: from 209.161.62.11 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 13:12:34 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.161.62.11] From: "jim penske" To: mattius@uswest.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Rod Laver arches Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 20:12:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ya i just got my lavers and agree with you the arch is very high and seems to dig into my foot. but after i kick in them for a while i seem to get used to it. keep kickin. Jim >From: "Matt Wafaie" >Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Rod Laver arches >Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 02:21:48 -0600 > >Does anyone else find that the arch in Lavers is very high >and confining? I hope mine will stretch and break in >because they're killing my feet. Now I've worn them and >can't send them back for a larger size. > >M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 3 06:42:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14205 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 06:42:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA12878 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:06:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 10726 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2000 22:05:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602220551.10725.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <001b01bfcc50$8b03df40$9b66fea9@billy> Received: from [63.14.207.183] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:05:51 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:05:51 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Double Sided To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Sam Colclough wrote: > drills that are made to bring my style to > equilibrium. In other words, > make me even on both sides. Drills rock! some warmups drills i use are: 1)butterfly> butterfly> osis> repeat 2)butterfly> butterfly> pdx mirage> repeat 3)butterfly> spinning clip> butterfly> spinning clip> repeat some drills I do when feelling phat: 1)stepping butterfly> ripwalk> repeat 2)blur> pixie butterfly> repeat 3)blur> paradon> repeat Hope it helps. Later Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 3 06:43:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14225 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 06:43:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13452 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:20:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 16789 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2000 22:19:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000602221941.16788.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000602165301.86853.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from [63.14.207.183] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:19:41 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Injury To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Stan Sagalovskiy wrote: > so if anyone has any tips for Andrew, please CC them > to me as well. > thank yoU! Ive got a great tip! How about, get this, this is a good one, WARMING UP! Warm up before you shred. You dont wanna pick up a bag and start hitting superflys all over the place! Your gonna kill yourself! Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 03:47:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18433 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:47:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [199.174.199.231] (user-33qthv7.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.199.231]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA26484 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dwarven@pop.mindspring.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 23:46:37 -0700 To: freestyle@list.footbag.org From: Dave Florey Subject: [freestyle] Warming up Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, A common (and reasonable) solution suggested to many of the problems mentioned lately has been a warm-up routine before you shred. I'm an EXTREMELY new player (one week) without even consistent kicks yet, so I don't have the physical problems many of you seem to be afflicted with yet. What kind of warm-up do any of you suggest to help keep these problems to a minimum? Thanks a lot. -Dave Florey PS: Obviously, I haven't been a list member all that long, so if you guys have gotten this question many times before, perhaps some warm up suggestions could be put up on footbag.org (just a suggestion) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 03:47:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18438 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:47:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1001.mail.yahoo.com (web1001.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.91]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA22516 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:19:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 15714 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2000 09:19:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000604091907.15713.qmail@web1001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.212.201.83] by web1001.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:19:07 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 02:19:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahren Gehrman Subject: [freestyle] Props To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey yo. I know Steve doesn't want the list to be a popularity contest, but I was just reading the best freestyler thread, and wanted to give some props to my favorite stylers. My four favorite freestylers of all time. 1. Kenny Shults - The greatest footbag player of all time. The most legendary for sure. My ass still has scars from his lavers. I will never, EVER have more respect for anybody in this sport than the Enforcer. If you don't know who he is, and you are serious about this sport, I dare you too ever do another toe stall before finding out who Kenny Shults is. 2 and 3. Tie Peter Irish, and Rippin Rick Reese. I have no idea how Peter keeps so thin when he eats pure butter for breakfast every morning. And Rippin, more than half of every move I can do, you are responsible for. The first time I ever saw you shred, I said to myself that I would never be able to do what that man can do. And I still can't. Every move you do is as close to perfection as you can get. 4. Tim Kelly The Stickman had more style than Sinatra. Enough said. Torch From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 03:54:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18517 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:54:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f173.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.173]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA00731 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:56:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 5470 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2000 16:55:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000604165540.5469.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.189.152.11 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 09:55:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.11] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] symp butterfly? Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 12:55:40 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello, here's my question: when I tried to do a pixe butterfly, I had trouble planting before the butterfly, so I skipped the plant and just sorta hopped my leg over the bag. The best way to describe this is saying that it looked like a pixe-symposium-butterfly. Now I know that there isn't a move like that so I kinda want to know what in Gods name I AM doing. o o \_/ Mike D | A.K.A. :(SNAKEeYES): ^ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 03:56:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18543 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:56:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f6.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07320 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:20:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 28584 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2000 20:19:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000604201921.28583.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200006021214.AA19071668@outercourt.com> Received: from 141.84.69.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 13:19:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.17] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Injury Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 13:19:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Laird Smith wrote: >Training someone is more than showing him a set of techniques that you >personnaly ascribe to and in fact were just injured by. Training is giving >them a basic understanding of basic kicking (not stalling) moves so that >they continue in a balanced fashion to kick the footbag, not stop it in >lots of contorted ways. Ummmm, ahhhhem I personally beileve that when "training" a new player one should first teach them control, basic control moves. Learn to make the bag go where you want it to, then go from there. If you know clipper stall then flying clipper or clipper kick are cake, if you learn clipper kick first you'll have the damndest time getting the bag to stop on your foot and an even harder time to link it. Clipper kick is a lot harder to control, therefore I'd rather teach it later. However I'm willing to teach people what ever they want to learn, what ever is fun for them. I also showed him: sole kick, heal stall, dragon fly, dragon, flying butterfly, blurry dragon fly, blurriest, and so on. He asked me for help with toe stall and atw, and I tried to teach him some other basic moves. I´ve also gotten a lot of compliments on how beautiful stalling moves look. >Just another view from someone who appreciates all kinds of freestyle and >feels there is a lack of true basic training for basic kicking in a >non-injurious fashion that accomodates all types of freestyle kicking. You know it's interesting but the most strains, shin/knee pain I get are from kicking with newbies in the park working on my kicking/flying moves. I try to help new players play in a fasion that will give them control and let them have fun, but I have never tried to force my own ajenda on anyone else, I teach them what they want to learn. I do a fair mixture of stalling kicking, and down right contortion, and you know what? all the skaters I know are jealous of my ancle flexablilty. You apreaciate all kinds of freestyle? then a little tolerance of other who enjoy something else thank you. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 03:56:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18554 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:56:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f311.hotmail.com [216.32.180.165]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08991 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:09:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 54529 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2000 21:08:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000604210831.54528.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.193.187 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:08:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.193.187] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] BAP ... Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:08:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, First off, summer is upcoming, which means major shredding, I can't wait! Now, for my question. I know that the Big Add Posse is a group of the worlds most elite freestylers, but I have two questions. One, who all is in the BAP? Secondly, who is it that decides whether or not someone can be in the BAP, and what does someone have to do to get in? Thanks in advance ... Cole http://footbag.cjb.net (Just updated! Check it out :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 03:57:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18583 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:57:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f232.hotmail.com [209.185.131.49]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA09224 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:18:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 16225 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2000 21:17:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20000604211712.16224.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000531162449.24143.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from 140.186.114.151 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:17:12 PDT X-Originating-IP: [140.186.114.151] From: "melissa schneider" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Western Regional & Women Freestylers Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:17:12 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Cheers to jane, well put. i'm looking forward to kicking in a circle of all women at worlds, who's going to be there??????---and meeting some new faces, for some of the women jane mentioned i don't know. Lets have a better turn out than last year, i think it was seven competitors. I'm getting excited to see you all in august(women and men)!!!!! until then Happy kicking mel From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 03:59:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18600 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 03:59:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18247 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:52:28 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id z.15.4af62c6 (8976) for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15.4af62c6.266c6196@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:51:18 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Shoe Gallery To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, I've noticed some really neat-o shoe designs at the footbag tournaments that I've been to (example: ask windsen pan [phoetoid34@aol.com] to see his shoe picture that he scanned) and I think a cool thing for some of the larger footbag webpages, or maybe one of the smaller ones, would be a shoe-art gallery kinda thing where different players could show off their shoe mods that DON'T require a razor blade. I've seen tiger stripes, embroidery, adidas stripes drawn in, and so on and so forth, and I personally like to see the different designs. Thoughts? Matthew Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 04:16:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18888 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 04:16:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21532 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:33:37 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000605033309.XHPE5950.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:33:09 -0700 Message-ID: <393B206F.E8E3B11D@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 22:37:19 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] symp butterfly? References: <20000604165540.5469.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mike Del Borrello wrote: > > here's my question: > > when I tried to do a pixe butterfly, I had trouble planting before the > butterfly, so I skipped the plant and just sorta hopped my leg over the bag. Unless you are doing it really clean, you are probably doing a pixie refraction. The difference between butterfly and refraction is the location of your foot when you catch the bag. For a butterfly, you have to have your foot in the x-body position and moving straight up and down - no lateral motion. A refraction is done by scooping the bag into a cross-body position. I always catch my refractions right under the knee of my support leg while the catching foot is moving to the cross body position. So, basically, if your clipper foot is moving sideways during the delay, it isn't a butterfly - it is a refraction. Now, about the symposium betterfly... I don't think there can be such a thing. The dex on a butterfly is not "full" enough to warrant an extra ADD for the symposium. Sure, a "symposium" butterfly is harder than a regular butterfly, but so what? A "symposium" blender is harder than a regular blender, but it doesn't get the ADD either. ADDs are not difficulty and a little hop isn't always symposium. Of course, this last paragraph is all opinion. I'm sure others disagree. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 04:20:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA18914 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 04:20:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21558 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:34:12 -0700 Received: from MasteCid@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id z.7b.4f4af2f (3983) for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7b.4f4af2f.266c7977@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:33:11 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Blurry Dragonfly And Legbeater To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Can anyone give me the job notation's for a Blurry Dragonfly? Also can anyone give me some advice on doing a paradox legbeater and regular legbeater. I can almost do the paradox legbeater but (and like the regular one) i'm always to late for the second dexerity. -Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 06:05:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19275 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 06:05:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Brian Parsons Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24011 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:58:30 -0700 Received: from TrollJr22@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id z.a9.6750454 (4005) for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:57:27 EDT Subject: [freestyle] advice on paradox drifter To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 106 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does anyone have any good advice on how to do a paradox drifter? I have been practicing it for a little while and everyone time the beg hits the ground just before my foot gets into the clipper posistion. Is there any secret to this move or is it just one you have to practice? Thanks, Brian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 23:43:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22054 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:43:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA26501 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:42:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 17917 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2000 06:41:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000605064143.17916.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.221] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 04 Jun 2000 23:41:43 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:41:43 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] My Favorite Styler To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Everyone else is talking bout thier fav stylers. So why cant I??? Steve Goldberg- If it wasent for his nice work on footbag.org I wouldent have discoverd the phat vids. Peter Irish- Is a VERY close second. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 23:44:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22070 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:44:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04313 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 05:37:50 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna15.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.26]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA41372 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:37:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000605073253.00ab4120@email.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 07:37:41 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: Re: [freestyle] advice on paradox drifter In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brian Parsons wrote: >Does anyone have any good advice on how to do a paradox drifter? I have been >practicing it for a little while and everyone time the beg hits the ground >just before my foot gets into the clipper posistion. Is there any secret to >this move or is it just one you have to practice? I personally have never hit this trick, but one of the guys I school with (Scott Bevier of the PSU Trio) has hit it a couple of times. He said that what helped him get the timing of the trick down was to dial up toe-drifters (toe > op in > same clip). I've noticed this is the case with a lot of moves. . .find an easier variation of it to work on the timing. Alex (Integer of the PSU Trio) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 23:47:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22098 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:47:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f208.hotmail.com [209.185.130.118]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA05881 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 06:39:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 27122 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jun 2000 13:38:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000605133820.27121.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <393B206F.E8E3B11D@dallasfootbag.org> Received: from 62.157.67.41 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 06:38:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [62.157.67.41] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: derric@dallasfootbag.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] symp butterfly? Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 13:38:20 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i think you mean butterfly and wrap refraction is a wrap with a 360° spin involved fabian Derric Scalf wrote: >The difference between butterfly and refraction is the location of your >foot when you catch the bag. For a butterfly, you have >to have your foot in the x-body position and moving straight up and down - >no lateral motion. A refraction is done by scooping the bag into a >cross-body position. I always catch my refractions right under the knee of >my support leg while the catching foot is moving to > the cross body >position. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 23:48:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22110 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:48:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07456 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:28:24 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id z.b6.5ff1a2e (3879) for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 10:27:17 EDT Subject: [freestyle] milleniums found To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey guys, good news for those searching for those last pairs of milleniums. i found a place online that is still selling them but i'm not sure how many are left. i jsut ordered a pair. you can find em at www.footaction.com. the down side is that they're $65. so if you need the new lavers, check out that place. thanks, windsen pan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 5 23:49:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22140 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:49:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Cameron Barry Received: from eperke.themail.com (root@eperke.themail.com [216.64.18.11]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24687 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:04:29 -0700 Received: from mail.TheMail.com (mail2.themail.com [216.64.2.25] (may be forged)) by eperke.themail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA41000 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:01:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from freedomfighter@themail.com) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:01:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200006052201.RAA41000@eperke.themail.com> Received-From: mail.TheMail.com To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] 12 and kickin X-Priority: 3 Authorized-User: freedomfighter@TheMail.com IP-Address: 216.221.130.190 Reply-To: freedomfighter@themail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What up ya'll, I've heard this talk about Austin and how he's only 12 and is very solid but i am also 12 and for kickin for less than a half a year hittin almost ALL the 1's and 2's (a few 3's) in strings and i think that footbag has to be the most fun sport ever. The only regret i have is that all the damn tournaments are 5 hours away and more!!!I'm tryin to make it to the fayette thing this weekend but im not sure and i will go to Robs bash and the end of the month. I would progress alot more if some tourneys would be held in New Englands but there hardly is any on the eastside. Peace out kickers P.S.I don't usually hear about some flick-ass strings anymore and i wanna here my fellow footbagers boast. Also i owe a big thanks to Rob for introducing me to people last month at the philly jam. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 6 00:33:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22339 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:33:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28840 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:53:10 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:50:57 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFCF0E.425AC540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:51:13 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFCF0E.425AC540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:51:12 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I haven't seen much on this thread since Steve reiterated that he believes it should not be. I for one think this is a relatively stupid thread. But I still don't think it should be moderated and hope it was not. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 6 01:13:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22508 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:13:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22505 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:13:05 -0700 Received: from adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (mail@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.123.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30801 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:42:19 -0700 Received: from bfk by adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12z7RF-0001Mx-00; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 17:41:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:41:49 -0700 From: "Brian F. Kimball" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Message-ID: <20000605174149.A5175@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> Mail-Followup-To: 'freestyle' References: <01BFCF0E.425AC540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <01BFCF0E.425AC540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; from ewulff@jsishipping.com on Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 04:51:12PM -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 04:51:12PM -0700, Eric Wulff wrote: > I haven't seen much on this thread since Steve reiterated that he believes > it should not be. I for one think this is a relatively stupid thread. But > I still don't think it should be moderated and hope it was not. Nothing was moderated; people just stopped responding to the thread. As soon as I find some time (soon), I plan on explaining in detail the criteria that I use to moderate. In general I only filter out emails that... -contain frequently asked questions or questions that can be easily answered by reading footbag.org/freestyle/ -are completely off-topic -contain _factually_ redundant information (e.g. links to feet.com), as opposed to redundant opinions -have major formatting / technical problems This isn't an exhaustive list so don't complain to me if you've had a post rejected for a reason not listed above. :) Now that I've been moderating for a while I'll say that I'd prefer to have the list police itself when it comes to more subjective matters like whether or not an on-topic discussion should continue. I think this has worked quite nicely with recent issues such as the excessive boasting and fascination with trick names. I really don't think it would be fair if I judged what's "stupid", etc. (well... if it's EXTREMELY stupid I won't post it. :-). -brian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 6 01:37:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22604 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:37:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f61.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29091 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:02:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 3811 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2000 00:01:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000606000125.3810.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from 64.82.68.122 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 17:01:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [64.82.68.122] From: "KeN Somolinos" To: PHoEtOiD34@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] milleniums found Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 20:01:25 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi stylers, I've heard lots of talk about feet.com not having any more millenium lavers, but I ordered a size 7 as late as just one week ago at their $20 price, and I got them in the mail a few days ago. I find that if I just go to the site and look for the new lavers I can't find them, but a while back somebody wrote a post saying just for feet were selling them for $30, and I used the link he provided, and it worked fine. Last I checked (and ordered) they had size 7, and then 8.5 through 12. I'm too lazy to look through the discussion archives to find the link, but I thought I should share on the off chance it'd save somebody some money. On the subject of the new lavers, I am still forming an opinion, but here are some of my thoughts: They definitely are lighter, they are more comfortable, but they are a good deal harder to modify. Without even getting into the issue of whether or not to add a lip to the side, there is more stuff to be cut away. The inside of the shoe has a layer of cloth, then a foam layer, then another layer of cloth, and finally the mesh. I am still getting used to the insteps, which don't feel as "sweet" as the old lavers ( I have not shoo-gooed them yet), and I find the toes a little harder to pixie out of. If you have never worn any kind of lavers and you have a choice between the two, I'd buy the new ones. For those who learned using the old school lavers, it can be tricky (for some, like me) to adjust. Hope to see a bunch of you at worlds! Ken "the ceiling fan" Somolinos PS-I don't think it's too early to start encouraging people to make it to some upcoming tournaments: The Montreal International is a great tourney in a great town. Not only are some of the best net players in the world there, freestyle is emerging big time, and it's a great town to party in with great people. Also, the S.M.U.R.F. event at Bob Riefer's place should be a blast too, so get out there, make some friends, learn some new tricks, and promote the sport! Windsen Pan wrote: >hey guys, > good news for those searching for those last pairs of milleniums. >i found a place online that is still selling them but i'm not sure how >many are left. i jsut ordered a pair. you can find em at >www.footaction.com. the down side is that they're $65. so if you need >the new lavers, check out that place. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 6 01:39:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22619 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:39:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (mx1.magmacom.com [206.191.0.217]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31534 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:59:20 -0700 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10536 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave (port40.magma.ca [206.191.5.40]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA29065 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006201bfce89$139d98c0$0b01010a@dave> In-Reply-To: <01BFCF0E.425AC540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: "Dave Reid" To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:57:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric Wulff wrote: >I haven't seen much on this thread since Steve reiterated that he believes >it should not be. I for one think this is a relatively stupid thread. But >I still don't think it should be moderated and hope it was not. > >Eric It doesn't seem like it was moderated. Hats off to Eric Wulff for 1. Killer style 2. Flyers and more flyers 3. Contributing veteran wisdom to this list and of course 4. TRIVIA STYLE :) Who is the best freestyler? Depends on the day, and probably on the hour. IMHO Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jun 6 06:23:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23349 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 06:23:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA23346 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 06:23:51 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09096 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:53:04 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000606055231.VKHE1079.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.24.8]> for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:52:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BFCF0E.425AC540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> References: <01BFCF0E.425AC540@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:53:16 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Best In Freestyle Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 4:51 PM -0700 6/5/00, Eric Wulff wrote: >I haven't seen much on this thread since Steve reiterated that he believes >it should not be. For clarity's sake, I didn't say we should stop the thread. I simply said that the aspect introduced by a couple of posts where people started reviewing players' abilities (with negative comments, especially) was inappropriate in my personal and humble opinion. I also made it very clear in my post that I wasn't moderating the list anymore and that my request was just as a list member. Why's it gotta be like dat? :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 7 03:00:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26089 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:00:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA31056 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 05:20:09 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:19:40 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200006052201.RAA41000@eperke.themail.com> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] 12 and kickin Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:19:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Cameron Barry wrote: >I'm tryin to make it to the fayette thing this weekend but im not sure >and i will go to Robs bash and the end of the month. I would progress >alot more if some tourneys would be held in New Englands but there >hardly is any on the eastside. The bash Cameron is talking about here, in case you didn't make the association is the Great Philly SMURF. SMURF stands for the Summer Meeting of Unity Relaxation and Footbag. This is one of the increasingly popular informal footbag gatherings that are more centered on just enjoying ourselves for a weekend, rather than promoting-- a sort of break from the normal wear and tear of always trying to promote, and a warm up for the major tournaments. So far I know of between 20 and 25 folks that are nearly definites on coming-- this includes a strong net contingent from DC, NJ, and PA, as well as freestylers from NYC, DC, PA ad other nearby areas. Check us out if you get a chance-- footbag.org, events listing. On wishing there were tournies in New England... I grew up in CT and have also wondered why there are tournies popping up everywhere besides New England. There are clubs there.. there are players there... Hmmm... Correct me if I'm wrong, or better yet-- someone spite me by holding an event. I'll come and drag some PA players with me!! Oh, and PROPS to Cam. A really rad little dude, with a definite future in footbag. Props to his dad too for carting him around to events! Later on. Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 7 03:01:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26101 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:01:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Windsen Pan Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09596 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:27:56 -0700 Received: from PHoEtOiD34@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id z.57.6a56f09 (4316) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57.6a56f09.266e9c61@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20000606000125.3810.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:26:41 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] milleniums found To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org KeN Somolinos wrote: >I've heard lots of talk about feet.com not having any more millenium lavers, >but I ordered a size 7 as late as just one week ago at their $20 price, and >I got them in the mail a few days ago. I find that if I just go to the site >and look for the new lavers I can't find them, but a while back somebody >wrote a post saying just for feet were selling them for $30, and I used the >link he provided, and it worked fine. Last I checked (and ordered) they had >size 7, and then 8.5 through 12. hey ken, i went to feet.com and they said they are sold out. maybe they still had some a week ago but now they're out. oh well. thanks for the note though windsen From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 7 03:02:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26120 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:02:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f60.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15358 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:47:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 96202 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2000 20:46:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000606204640.96201.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 13:46:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.17] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Blurry Dragonfly And Legbeater Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 13:46:40 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Evan Edmondson asked: >Can can anyone give me some advice on doing a paradox legbeater and >regular legbeater. Um, start with the "regular." Because I can't do the "jedi" style the hippy style: It's all about the set. You really have to start the dex as you're setting, i.e. as you jump to set the bag jump off your plant leg. By the time you plant your set leg you should already be just about over the bag. The motion is really diagonal (or quarter eliptical), to get around the bag you´re pulling your set knee almost on line with your opp hip. Then as you begin to come down again pull your leg back at an angle and plant. The trick: keep your knee bent, and try to keep your foot in the same vertical line. As soon as you plant the dex leg hop off again and into a b-fly. And for the dietys' sakes stretch your hips first, when you first start hitting it, the motion is really violent. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 7 03:04:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26138 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:04:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f145.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.145]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA16085 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:04:24 -0700 Received: (qmail 32635 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2000 21:03:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000606210321.32634.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:03:21 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.17] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] advice on paradox drifter Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:03:21 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brian Parsons asked: >Does anyone have any good advice on how to do a paradox drifter? ... >Is there any secret to this move or is it just one you have to >practice? I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. but then again there's already is a video demonstration and a tip posted at footbag WorldWide, Well alright, I mean none of us are going to live for ever anyway. Set the bag about waist high or a little lower. After you've set do about a fifth turn towards the set, by turning your dex knee in towards your body as you do this it should now be able to clear the bag while it (the bag) is just about peaking out. Remember, you are turning your knee in to do the dex, not your whole leg. Imagine there's a pivot in the middle of your shin when you turn your leg to do the dex. As your body comes down again, after the dex, pivot your dex leg back the other way as you turn your body back and come down with the bag. The dex is really compleated by the motion of your body turning back. Don't forget, this move is one motion. Practicing toe drifters really helps to learn the motion. And stretch your hips before you try it. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 7 03:05:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26153 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:05:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.csuchico.edu (mail.CSUChico.EDU [132.241.82.14]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17742 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:42:25 -0700 Received: from webmail ([132.241.82.12]) by mail.csuchico.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA4F92; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:41:41 -0700 From: "Tara R. Ohr" To: "Andrew McCargar" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Injury X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 3.5.2 [Mozilla/4.73 [en] (Win98; U)] Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:41:41 -0700 Message-ID: <773680CD102D.AAA4F92@mail.csuchico.edu> In-Reply-To: <20000602125421.13494.qmail@hotmail.com> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Andrew, Now I'm not a doctor or anything, but I think that might be your Achilles' tendon. After bouncing a lot on the balls of your feet, you are putting a lot of stress on this tendon and the calf muscle it is attached to. If there is a tear in the tendon, then you should lay off for a little bit. If there is any swelling, get some ice on that heel. What you can do later is stretch, and I mean later!!! The more flexible the muscle is the less likely you will tear it again. Hope this helps some Tara From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 7 16:28:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30508 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:28:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22127 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:56:31 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:56:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] double atw / barrage Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:55:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all - Does it seem to anyone else that barrage is way harder than double atw? It is for me, but it doesn't seem like it should be this way-- I must be doing something wrong. My double atw is definitely hittable and in middle of strings, but barrage eludes me. Hints? I think the problem lies in my set, or timing after the set. While on this thought, moves in general that involve the double atw type of motion seem to be really tough for me, but I can do the basic move in and of itself, and in both directions (although not weak side yet). The tips that I hope to receive on barrage... will they serve to help with other similar moves (I forget the exact names right now, but things like double down etc..)? Thanks Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 8 03:26:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01435 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:26:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Will Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12794 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:02:11 -0700 Received: by EXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:01:44 -0400 Message-ID: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C19201354@EXCH01> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] NYC This Weekend Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:01:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All, I am visiting NYC this weekend and would love to meet up with some of you guys on Saturday or Sunday. You guys gonna be around? I saw that Washington square is the place to be at. Would love to see your stuff. Will "Looking for Company" Wells From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 8 14:57:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03656 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:57:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f9.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA01609 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:14:53 -0700 Received: (qmail 2082 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2000 14:13:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000608141345.2081.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.100 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:13:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.100] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Battle of the Year Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:13:45 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi List, I finished putting up my photos from the Battle of the Year, the Swiss break dance championships. Planet Footbag in Zurich was invited to show off footbag to the baggy pants wearers so we congregated and shreded like mad men. Sorry to say you won't find many pictures of the dancers. Wenn du dieses Satz verstehst, bitte hier klicken: http://members.xoom.com/NemesisDS/de/multimedia/battle/battlegalleryi.html and for the non-denglish speakers, go here: http://members.xoom.com/NemesisDS/de/multimedia/battle/battleEgalleryi.html -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 9 22:09:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13422 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:09:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30085 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:43:10 -0700 Received: from patti.excite.com ([199.172.148.159]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000609204211.FIRI17268.kuku.excite.com@patti.excite.com> for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:42:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1424832.960583331803.JavaMail.imail@patti.excite.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:42:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Wulff Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] trivia style 5... 6/9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 38.28.75.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Here we are with the last of the first half. It's time to dig a little deeper. But first... the answers from last time and current results below. We've got a few new people on the board(and one person digging himself out of a whole :) Thanx for playing... > Subject: trivia style continues... 5/30 > > 1. worth 4 adds... What *active* player has the longest run of consecutive > appearances in the Open Singles Freestyle World Championship Finals? GF Smoothie himself stands alone. > 2. worth 2 adds... How many years in a row is that streak? That would be 10. Pete comes close with 9... > 3. Will we see him at Worlds again this year? 6 bonus adds for the right > answer from the right person for queston #3... :) Well, a few of you had the right answer but I was looking for the *right person* with the right answer... and that could only come from GF himself. I heard directly from the man earlier this year that he wasn't planning on worlds this time BUT... it seems his plans have changed. He will be there going for his 11th finals in singles and TRYING :) for another team title I imagine. btw... *no* would've been the WRONG answer and GF would've gottn 0 for that one. So glad he knew the answer to that one... Okay... TRIVIA 5 Freestyle tricks have "come to be" in different ways. Some were well thought out. Others came about purely by accident. "Dada Curve" I believe came to Kenny in a dream. A friend of mine and me weren't the first to come up with the concept(although we didn't know it at the time), but we found 2 different tricks in the late 80's. Him doing it one way and me, in trying to learn it from him, came up with the another way.(I'm not quite sure which I came up with... osis or refraction) Anyway, we argued about whether they were different moves for months. Then we went to worlds to find that one was a refraction and the other an osis. Also found... I was wrong. Anyway... 1. worth 4 adds in 2 parts... Who came up with the legbeater concept? How did this person come upon/discover/invent this move? >From the category of "Who am I'... 2. 5 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old.... Sometime in the mid/late 80's I remember walking up to a little punk hot shot kicker named Eric Wulff. He had won a few consecutive titles at the East Coast Champs and rumor had it he was a pretty good styler. I said... "Have you ever won a freestyle title before?" He said no. So I said... "Want to do something about that?!" And we teamed up and won the East coast Freestyle Championship. I was sponsored by Balywik footbag and, if I remember correctly, had my signature stamped on the "Mumbus" model. This was a 4 panel leather bag and one of the hottest freestyle bags of this era. Who am I? Have fun... see ya soon Ironman > Aaron Edggerton - 7 > Adrian Dick - 4 Alex Ibardaloza - 6 > Becca - 41 > Bob Green - 10 > Brad Kaplin - 24 > Corey Current - 12 > Danny Cardonne - 4 > Dennis Lee - 3 > Eli Piltz - (-6) > Eric "Wicked" Windsor - 8 > GF Smoothie - 39 > Ian Dubman - 12 > Jeremiah J. Riley - 6 > John Schneider - 42 > Ken "Ceiling Fan" Semolinos - 22 > Phillip Summers - 3 > Scott "The Enlightener" Davidson - 11 > Sebastian Duchesne - 10 > Shredstein - 7 > Stan Sagalovskiy - 3 > Tina Lewis - 7 Tu Vu - 6 Vince Bradley - 6 > Yacine - 7 _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 9 22:13:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13449 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:13:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Tom Kotsakos Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00822 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:09:19 -0700 Received: from Honycherub@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.75.5378d5a (4241) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 01:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <75.5378d5a.2671d5c0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 01:08:16 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Eggbeater VS Atom Smasher To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just wondering, which move do you guys think is harder. I hope its not a silly question. Eggbeater seems like it should be easier, but atom smasher is easier to me. Let me know what you all think. Tom Kotsakos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jun 10 06:32:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15445 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:32:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03945 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:54:29 -0700 Received: from magic.excite.com ([199.172.148.161]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000609235327.AHY8805.fortune.excite.com@magic.excite.com> for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:53:27 -0700 Message-ID: <30124620.960594807478.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> In-Reply-To: <75.5378d5a.2671d5c0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 16:53:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Eggbeater VS Atom Smasher Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.96.202.62 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Tom and all! > Just wondering, which move do you guys think is harder. I hope its not a > silly question. Eggbeater seems like it should be easier, but atom smasher is > easier to me. Let me know what you all think. > > Tom Kotsakos > > The difficulty issue... I think most people would say eggbeater is easier but it varies from a player to another. For example I had to spend countless hours drilling osis to get 2 in a row but I learned blur in a single day. Most players would say osis is easier than blur though. Keep shredding! -Yacine _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 11 06:58:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20260 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 06:58:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03042 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:21:50 -0700 Received: from magic.excite.com ([199.172.148.161]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000610192115.WTY5059.gigi.excite.com@magic.excite.com> for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:21:15 -0700 Message-ID: <24477136.960664875115.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:21:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] double symposium? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.96.202.122 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey freestyle world! Has anyone ever hit a double-symposium move? I think double-symposium tap would be possible. toe>(no plant while)op out>(no plant while)same in>op toe If somebody ever hit that in the past he probably got plenty of props and really bad shin splints. -Yacine _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 11 06:58:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20255 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 06:58:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04302 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:59:16 -0700 Received: from magic.excite.com ([199.172.148.161]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000610195820.DZOO19870.ewey.excite.com@magic.excite.com> for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:58:20 -0700 Message-ID: <10827640.960667100129.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:58:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New concepts & new moves? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.96.202.80 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello again freestylers! Here are a two concepts I thought about because I don't work that hard at my job and I have plenty of spare time. Fairy-Atomic set... I've seen a pixie-atomic set and the fairy version seems a little bit harder but possible if you're willing to risk breaking your hip. As anyone ever tried or come close to this? I'll try and hit sometimes... Gyro-miraging set... That sounds funny but I'm sure someone could hit that. With a low set, spinning into a gyro mirage, instead of just catching it with the toe after the mirage one could go for a butterfly and that would be a gyro-ripwalk. I will not even try that because my spins suck. As anyone ever tried or come close to this? Let's push the limits! -Yacine _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jun 11 07:34:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20425 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:34:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4505.mail.yahoo.com (web4505.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17050 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:26:00 -0700 Message-ID: <20000611032458.17199.qmail@web4505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.220.164.185] by web4505.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:24:58 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:24:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Edwin Tichenor Subject: [freestyle] jubilee day To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org just wondering if anyone is headed to funtastics in downtown mechanicsburg to kick on the june 15. i asked a dude that worked there and he said that it was $7 dollars to enter a competition but if you want to kick for the hell of it, that is cool too. In short, there are going to be plenty of skating demos, bands, shred sessions bound to be a good time. reply if your going. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 03:02:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23837 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:02:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2003.mail.yahoo.com (web2003.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA04413 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:27:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 16199 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2000 14:27:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000611142713.16198.qmail@web2003.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <24477136.960664875115.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Received: from [207.207.3.97] by web2003.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:27:13 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:27:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] double symposium? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yacine Merzouk wrote: > Hey freestyle world! > Has anyone ever hit a double-symposium move? Of course, lots of people, lots of tricks: The first one I ever saw was 'pogo symp mirage' by Tuan Vu. I've seen Mulroney hit 'pogo symp whirl' (possibly the toughest 5 add I've witnessed). A couple years ago shortly after moving to Colorado, while kicking with Genzu and waiting for Ben Job to arrive, Genz told me about Ben hitting symposium reverse-miraging (before we called it atomic) tricks. I hit 'symp tapping mirage' and 'symp tapping whirl' that day. I hit 'symp tapdown' later, but 'Dolomite' (symp paradon) is way worthier. Also, Ryan Sanders has hit 'double symp atom smasher'. This gives me a couple ideas: first, Sunil (or anyone else), have you tried/hit symposium quantum anything? Second, I think symposium double dexes deserve an extra add in there somewhere. Adds don't mean much... except in shred competition. At present, there are only a few shredders who might attempt a superfly in shred comp, but no one would do that instead of pswhirl if its worth the same. > Gyro-miraging set... That sounds funny but I'm sure someone could hit that. 'Gyro blur' and 'gyro ripwalk' have been pulled off by Big Add Chad with success. The gyro is easy to fluff so it can be like reverse refracting with extra rotation. Chad is the only person I've seen do a legitimate set,backspin,mirage move. Cool ideas, Yacine. Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 03:05:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23859 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 03:05:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA17599 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:10:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 23967 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2000 21:10:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000611211024.23966.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <24477136.960664875115.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> Received: from [63.14.88.27] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:10:24 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:10:24 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] double symposium? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup, --- Yacine Merzouk wrote: > I think double-symposium tap would be possible. > toe>(no plant while)op out>(no plant while)same > in>op toe > > If somebody ever hit that in the past he probably > got plenty of props and > really bad shin splints. Philip Summers(incredible shredder) is your man... If he hadent hit it before, im sure he read this and hit it like cake. Well Phil! Have you? Later, Jamez P.S. Iowa Jam rules! My sunburns are killing me though. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jun 12 03:11:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23936 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12