From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jul 2 02:42:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15822 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:42:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from foundationcomputing.net (foundationcomputing.org [207.160.174.55]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13212 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:48:38 -0700 Received: from [207.160.174.20] ([207.160.174.20] verified) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with ESMTP id 41813 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 06:47:12 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 11:47:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] German's are gross! From: Derrick Fogle To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000630200814.2948.qmail@web1006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org on 6/30/00 3:08 PM, Ahren Gehrman at torchbap@yahoo.com wrote: > So to all you trash talking newbies, shut your mouths > and know your roles, or pull down you pants 'cause > you're gonna get SPANKED! Just like I did. Surly gatekeepers with spears and axes. Ah, what a fine invitation to the game. ____________________________ Derrick Fogle Still studying at the old school footbag U From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jul 2 02:44:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15846 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:44:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA23558 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:45:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 8302 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2000 22:45:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000701224518.8301.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000630200814.2948.qmail@web1006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.183] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 15:45:18 PDT Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:45:18 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] German's are gross! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Ahren Gehrman wrote: > Respect your > elders, Good point! I see the light. I should respect all you shredheads. Some of you guys were busting ripwalks before I could even walk! Speaking of ripwalks, since I'm posting anyway, yesterday I broke my old ripwalk record. Now ive got 28. YAAAAAAY!!! > and know your roles, or pull down you pants 'cause > you're gonna get SPANKED! Just like I did. I think im gonna know my role, my mouth is closed! (pants still up) Im going to shred. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jul 2 02:49:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15878 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:49:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Will Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23527 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:43:46 -0700 Received: by EXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:43:52 -0400 Message-ID: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C192013A3@EXCH01> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Millenium Laver Mods Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:43:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, My millenium lavers don't seem to be helping with my toe stalls. Has anyone done any mods in the toe area that they could share. I am especially interested in if anyone has removed the layer of foam that is present in the tongue as well as the sides. Any tips. My toe box is more of a toe board... 9which is not bad but the stalls slip off. Thanks, Will Wells From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jul 2 02:51:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15896 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:51:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15893 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:51:33 -0700 Received: from fep2.excitehome.net (fep2.excitehome.net [24.0.26.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28849 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:18:51 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] by fep2.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000702021845.RNUV26825.fep2.excitehome.net@[24.16.24.8]> for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:18:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:18:43 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] German's are gross! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:47 AM -0500 7/1/00, Derrick Fogle wrote: >Surly gatekeepers with spears and axes. Ah, what a fine invitation to the >game. Shut up and sit down, OLD MAN! :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jul 2 02:52:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15914 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:52:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Will Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23526 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:43:46 -0700 Received: by EXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:43:52 -0400 Message-ID: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C192013A4@EXCH01> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Stepping and Pixie Sets Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:43:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Everyone, Today I was practicing (All by myself) :( and I was wondering if anyone has some tips on the Stepping and Pixie sets. There doesn't seem to be a section on the webpage per say and was wondering if any of you masters of those sets could share some wisdom for me to put into action. I have my clippers and butterflys pretty much down but need to work on my sets so I can start doing double dex moves. I can "kinda" do the stepping set but all I can do from it is inside stall or toe stall. And with the pixie set I either do the same or a no plant to something. Thanks in advance for your help. Will Wells Yesterday I hit infinity (Butterfly > Op Side Butterfly) couldn't keep it going though. I also hit the following moves minus the plants in them. ;) Toe Ripwalk? (Miraging Buttefly) TOE > OP IN (Plant) > OP OUT > OP CLIP Pixie Butterfly (Quantum Butterfly) TOE > SAME IN (Plant) > OP OUT > OP CLIP From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jul 2 02:56:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15977 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:56:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28305 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:03:32 -0700 Received: (qmail 77604 invoked by alias); 2 Jul 2000 02:03:32 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-Freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 77582 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2000 02:03:31 -0000 Received: from rdialup152.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.160.172.152) by dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Jul 2000 02:03:31 -0000 Message-ID: <395EA2BB.A271268C@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 20:02:35 -0600 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Leg Hair/colorado events Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Anyone ever noticed that freestyling rips all the hair off your legs. The constant rubbing of my shorts above my knees as I lift my legs has made me balder than... something bald. Are there any events comming up anytime soon in Colorado I could attend? I want some footbaggin' excitement and I won't be at worlds. M@ Wafaie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jul 2 03:04:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16031 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 03:04:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29179 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:27:44 -0700 Received: from ThisBeEvan@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.e2.68e223b (2615) for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C192013A3@EXCH01> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:26:49 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Millenium Laver Mods To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thought I add in my opinion, this is the reason i DIDN'T get millinium laver's. The toe box looked too small to me plus when I put them on I swear I thought they were heavier than my old plain rod lavers too. Anyone else agree? Anyone ever weighed them? People tell me they are a whole lot lighter (the millenium's that is) but I don't think so. -evan edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jul 2 03:54:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16483 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 03:54:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30965 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:18:49 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf0vg.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.131.240]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA17443 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000701230903.00b9b1c0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 23:16:14 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] German's are gross! In-Reply-To: <20000701224518.8301.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000630200814.2948.qmail@web1006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 03:45 PM 7/1/00 -0700, James Risden wrote: >shredheads. Some of you guys were busting ripwalks >before I could even walk! Wait a minute...are you trying to say that some of us are really old?! Geez, Jamez, you need to cut your losses (like a bad stock pick) before this gets ugly. ;^) >yesterday I broke my old ripwalk record. Now ive got >28. YAAAAAAY!!! Today I had a lot of fun shredding and I don't even remember or care what exactly it was that I hit. Yay! -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jul 2 03:55:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16494 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 03:55:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30520 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:08:43 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf0vg.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.131.240]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA30777 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000701223237.00b9a8f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 23:05:52 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Millenium Laver Mods In-Reply-To: References: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C192013A3@EXCH01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Evan Edmondson wrote: > this is the reason i DIDN'T get millinium laver's. The toe box looked too >small to me plus when I put them on I swear I thought they were heavier than >my old plain rod lavers too. Indeed, the weight difference isn't that significant. Per pair, all size 11.5 US (each have about the same number of days worth of use, and all are already modified [goo on the Millenniums, cotton fabric tubes/rails on the Reeboks]): Original Lavers : 31 oz Millenniums : 28 oz Reebok Classics : 25 oz The Reebok Classics (NOT the all-leather ones...get the cheapo vinyl/canvas/catflesh/whatever ones) are noticeably lighter and more "cushiony" (comfy)...build yourself some toe rails and you'll be a very happy shredder. After shredding in Reeboks one day, and Millenniums the next, the latter feels more clumsy and awkward to me. In fact, of the three, I do believe the Millenniums are my least favorite. Other than having to build rails, the Reeboks' only other disadvantage for me is the narrow/tapered toe...which can cause my toes some chafing pain after a while. > Anyone else agree? Anyone ever weighed them? People tell me they are a >whole lot lighter (the millenium's that is) but I don't think so. They are a little bit lighter, but not noticeably so IMHO...probably because the Millenniums are larger/wider (which might explain why you feel they are heavier). The difference is more psychological than actual, I think. But as always, YMMV. -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jul 2 15:23:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17429 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 15:23:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from www0k.netaddress.usa.net ([204.68.24.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA17618 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 06:57:04 -0700 Received: (qmail 18722 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2000 13:56:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000702135604.18721.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.40 by www0k for [24.147.248.251] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Sun Jul 2 13:56:04 GMT 2000 Date: 2 Jul 00 09:56:04 EDT From: Gary Heffernan To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pendulum X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id OAA17351 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, thanks to everyone who gave me those tips on the ATW, i finally hit one the other day! but now i got another question, Does anyone know where i can see a vid of someone doing a pendulum? or can someone explain it in great detail to me? because i am really having a lot of trouble doing it. thanks again, Gary ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 3 03:35:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18786 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 03:35:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ux4.isu.edu (mta@ux4.isu.edu [134.50.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20524 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:07:29 -0700 Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.103.12]) by ux4.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA3A73; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:07:51 -0600 Message-ID: <395F6A41.7985738A@isu.edu> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 10:13:53 -0600 From: Bob Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mattius@uswest.net, "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Leg Hair/colorado events References: <395EA2BB.A271268C@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey freestylers (especially those of you in Colorado)! Matt Wafaie wondered: > Are there any events comming up anytime soon in > Colorado I could attend? I want some footbaggin' excitement > and I won't be at worlds. I don't know about Colorado, but the 2000 Southeast Idaho Footbag Championships are coming up July 15th (2 weeks from now) in Pocatello, Idaho. The tournament is about a 10-11 hour drive from the Boulder area, and should be a lot of fun. Any of you who could come from Colorado would have a free place to crash. Additionally, for those of you who have an inkling of desire to visit Yellowstone National Park, Pocatello is only about 1.5-2.0 hours away. Here's the skinny on the tournament for those of you who are interested. In exchange for a $9.00 entry fee, the first 25 registered competitors will recieve a 4-panel Paul Mestas Footbag and a tournament T-shirt. If you are coming from out of town, let me know and I will reserve a shirt for you. For beginners there will be consecutives, 3 person team consecutives and a 1-1.5 minute freestyle. I am staying away from timed consecutives for beginners so that people who are truly beginners won't end up with a negative score. For advanced (intermediates and pros would fall under this category), there will be a 5-minute timed consecutives and a 1.5-2 minute freestyle. We will have our own sound system, so feel free to bring your own music for freestyle routines and jamming. The tournament is being held in conjunction with the "Hot Time in Old Town" Pocatello Streetfest. Accordingly, there will be food and beer vendors, sidewalk sales, a kids carnival, 4 different bands (rock, reggae, etc.), and other cool stuff. Sponsors for the tournament include Paul Mestas, Boulder Blades Productions, Idaho State University Footbag Club, Old Town Pocatello, and several local Businesses. Streetfestival organizers from Old Town Pocatello are even working on getting a mountain bike sponsored from a local shop called Scott's Ski and Sport. I don't know if the bike thing will happen or not, but there are already a lot of small prizes. Sorry pros, no prize money this year.....hopefully next year. The more competitors I can get this year, the better chance ISU Footbag has of getting supplemental funding from the University for a tournament next year! Current definate attendees include Jim Pomey from Salt Lake City, Jim Penske of Rexburg, Bob Green of Pocatello (me), several other local kickers, and hopefully you! Alright, I'm done pitching now.....it is not naturally what I do well anyway. Seriously though, it should be a lot of fun and I encourage anyone within a days drive to come. Hope to see some of you soon, Bob From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 3 03:39:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18798 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 03:39:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20567 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:09:12 -0700 Received: from ThisBeEvan@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.c.7547fa3 (4535) for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000702135604.18721.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:08:38 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pendulum To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is to Gary and everyone else who is new to the wonderful sport of freestyle. GET KENNY SHULTS TRICKS OF THE TRADE VIDEO! Its got step by step and slow motion of pendulum, + alot of other tricks. I recommend it very much that you get it. It helped me, O-lot. Just go to www.worldfootbag.com. The address directly to the vidoes section is http://www.worldfootbag.com/catman/showgroup/extra. Hope This Helps Evan Edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 3 03:40:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18816 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 03:40:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f159.hotmail.com [209.185.131.222]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA25996 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:12:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 91579 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2000 19:11:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000702191149.91578.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000702135604.18721.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 62.157.66.173 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Jul 2000 12:11:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [62.157.66.173] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pendulum Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 19:11:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Gary Heffernan wrote: >but now i got another question, Does anyone know where i can see a >vid of someone doing a pendulum? go to http://www.footbagfreestyle.de/ , and download that clip : ps050002.mpg anyway, i think pendulum isnt that easy at the beginning i had problems hitting it at first have fun fabian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 3 03:40:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18829 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 03:40:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f267.hotmail.com [216.32.180.225]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA30125 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:28:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 67884 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2000 21:28:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000702212800.67883.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 64.10.89.247 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:28:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [64.10.89.247] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] eggbeater/atomic set Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 17:28:00 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey people, Hope everyone's doing great. I have a question regarding the eggbeater. I know there are two ways of doing an eggbeater, either from an atomic set or a regular set. Now my question is, which one of these two gives you the most respect and which one is the best one to start skooling? Thanks, The Mouse P.S. While I'm still standing on my little soapbox crying out to the world, I'd like to mention the upcoming tourney in Montreal from July 7-9. This tourney is gonna rock so come one, come all!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 3 03:42:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18853 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 03:42:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08817 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 20:01:37 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.202.217]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FX3004DAPPL59@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 20:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 20:01:22 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] Lavers, old and new To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <001101bfe49a$f8786700$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org any more info on where to get millenium rod lavers? Or does anyone have a size 12 1/2 or 13? Thanks also http://www.sneakers.pair.com/csm-lavr.htm its a memory of rod laver shoes by adidas and it mentions footbag.. whatever, i thought it was cool / o\ \O ( /_/ | \/\ / \_ | / /|\ \ ___/_|_\___ You get what you give /o /\ / ? |_ | O /O | /|\ /|\ / \ ___/_|_\___| | -Sam Colclough From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 3 17:58:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20230 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:58:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23657 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:18:43 -0700 Received: from magic.excite.com ([199.172.148.161]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000703171840.CCBB11200.ewey.excite.com@magic.excite.com> for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:18:40 -0700 Message-ID: <22118718.962644720275.JavaMail.imail@magic.excite.com> In-Reply-To: <20000702212800.67883.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:18:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] eggbeater/atomic set Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.96.202.13 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Mickey and all! How's life? Ready for the tournament in Montreal this week-end? Mickey Mayer wrote: > Hey people, > > Hope everyone's doing great. I have a question regarding the eggbeater. I > know there are two ways of doing an eggbeater, either from an atomic set or > a regular set. Now my question is, which one of these two gives you the most > respect and which one is the best one to start skooling? You can do it both ways and people will respect you for hitting a nice-looking and hard move. If you have a good atomic set, you can do it that way and it can be easier but remember that you better skool it the other way as well if you want to hit bubba-style eggbeater or paradox eggbeater. I personnaly think that the original version eggbeater is easier. See you soon! -Yacine _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 3 17:59:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20246 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:59:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12332 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:04:16 -0700 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24705; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 00:04:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 00:04:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: Mickey Mayer cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] eggbeater/atomic set In-Reply-To: <20000702212800.67883.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The way I see it, an eggbeater is a straight move - no set. The other way is an atmoic switchover. I would say skool them both, don't skip any basic/intermediate level skills. Practice your eggbeaters with your dlos and practice atomic switchover with atomsmasher and legbeater. I like to drill several moves together which share similar components. actually, there's a lot of serious shredders out there who will call "set > op out > op out > same toe" an eggbeater no matter how it's done. Atomic switchover is just as much an eggbeater as reverse miraging switchover, even though I don't think so. phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 3 19:31:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20641 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:31:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail7.cadvision.com (IDENT:root@mail7.cadvision.com [207.228.64.92]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26040 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:23:04 -0700 Received: from default (h-207-148-138-178.dial.cadvision.com [207.148.138.178]) by mail7.cadvision.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/CWT/DCE) with SMTP id MAA27742 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:23:02 -0600 Reply-To: "Robin Fuller" From: "Robin Fuller" To: Subject: [freestyle] Newbie tricks I can do/atomic sets Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:18:06 -0700 Message-ID: <01bf797b$b81b5300$b28a94cf@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone this is my first time contributing to this list.I am a 14 year old newbie who has been freestylin' since the beggining of april but started hardcore practiing just around the middle of june.I can do the following tricks...some are a givin' because of their neccesarity but I'm listing them anyways... toe stall (both sides) inside stall (both sides) outside stall (both sides) clipper (stronger with my right leg but still do-able with left) jester (both sides) butterfly (Stronger with right but left isn't hard to land) butterfly kick (both sides) mirage (set from right toe) leg over (set from left toe,almost got it from the right) pickup (set from left toe, almost got it from the right) pendulum (right side only) rake (right side only) osis (toe set from right side only) walk over (both sides) around the world (right side in/out,still working on left) around the world caught on insides/out/heel (right side in/out) guay (set from left toe) Illusion (set from right toe) I am just wonder about 2 things though.Should I skool' alot harder because I can only do those tricks and mabey 2 or 3 more that I forgot about,or am I good for my age and newness to the sport. Other question,what the hell is an atomic set.I am not starting atomic moves (yet) but I would still like to know what they are. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 3 20:06:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20801 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:06:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28009 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:14:48 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.64.4452d8e (9677) for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64.4452d8e.26924001@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <01bf797b$b81b5300$b28a94cf@default> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:14:09 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Newbie tricks I can do/atomic sets To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 7/3/00 3:03:41 PM, fullerd@cadvision.com writes: << I am just wonder about 2 things though.Should I skool' alot harder because I can only do those tricks and mabey 2 or 3 more that I forgot about,or am I good for my age and newness to the sport. >> Dear Robin (and any other newbies that were wondering...), STUPID QUESTION!!!! STUPID! STUPID! heh, just kidding, but don't ever get the idea that it's time to lay back and stop skooling. You should ALWAYS skool a lot harder. Now, that's not to say that you're not doing very well, because, judging by what you said, it seems that you are. Kudos to you, but DON'T STOP NOW! If you're on a roll, keep it up. This sport needs new stylers, and it's always great to see a newbie doing well. Don't only skool yourself. Skool your friends, do it at rock concerts for promotion. Keep up the good work, Matthew Cross Rome, NY, the Footbag Wasteland of the East Coast From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 3 20:07:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20816 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:07:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28447 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:26:18 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.c8.7073e84 (9677) for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:25:40 EDT Subject: [freestyle] NYers Shred the K-Rockathon! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org To all New Yorkers, This coming sunday, there is a huge rock and roll concert at the new york state fair grounds. It's $20 for 15 bands including the Foo Fighters, Jimmie's Chicken Shack, Earthcrisis, and Cowboy Mouth. I'm going to be wearing my lavers, short shorts, and a tank-top, and my Carol bag is coming along (although I'm going to be watching it a LOT more closely than the last one I brought to a concert which is now no longer with me). All shredders anywhere near the New York State Fairgrounds, PLEASE come and represent with me and get some exposure for our sport. I'm going to be having some simply business cards made that just say "www.footbag.org" on them and pass them out to people that ask about freestyle. Anyone who is planning on going, please write me an e-mail and let me know so I can keep my eyes out for lavers in the hack circles. Who knows, maybe we can turn them hack circles into shred circles ;) Matthew Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 3 20:12:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20841 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:12:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20838 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:12:40 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28892 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:39:52 -0700 Received: from kaos ([204.62.245.13]) by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000703193946.VDZR1079.fep1.excitehome.net@kaos> for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:39:46 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] by kaos (8.8.8+Sun/Spike-2.0) id MAA06017; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:38:25 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] NYers Shred the K-Rockathon! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >(although I'm going to be watching it a LOT more closely than the last >one I brought to a concert which is now no longer with me). Which, by the way, was *BORROWED*. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 4 02:47:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24118 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:47:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04573 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:09:10 -0700 Received: from axs288 (tnt1-145-151.cac.psu.edu [128.118.145.151]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA55880 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:09:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200007032309.TAA55880@f04n07.cac.psu.edu> X-Sender: kxa141@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 19:06:03 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Kaiser Ahmad Subject: Re: [freestyle] NYers Shred the K-Rockathon! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am extremely pleased to see that Matt has taken the initiative to inform everyone of this opportunity for exposure. I think that many of us may go to a concert or some other similar event, and when we get there, we start shredding in hopes of getting others to shred. This is a great attempt at exposure. However, Matt's callout has greatly increased the chances of exposure at this event. I personally feel that many of us should follow this example, if you don't already. If you go to a concert or any other event, and you plan on shredding in the process, then let the rest of the footbag community know about it. You may find that other freestylers on this list are more than willing to participate. And Matt, cool idea about the business cards. This way, they may find the card in their pocket later on, and they may visit the site. I commend you for your ideas on this matter. I will make the effort to come out for the event, and hopefully I will be able to make it. >From now on, if I plan on shredding at a major event, then I will do my best to invite other freestylers along, unless if that major event takes place in my bedroom with my girlfriend. Thanks for listening everyone. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 4 03:29:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24281 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 03:29:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11765 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:48:02 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna54.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.65]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA42130 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:47:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000703214137.00b1c180@email.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200007032309.TAA55880@f04n07.cac.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:47:51 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: Re: [freestyle] NYers Shred the K-Rockathon! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I also want to give propz to Matt for the idea to post his message on the web. I've been meaning to give a shout out to anyone in the Southern Illinois area regarding what are called Summer Concerts in Carbondale. Every Thursday at 7pm there's a get together of everyone and their moms (I'm not kidding, the whole damned town is there, it's insane) at either Turley Park or the SIU campus, and I've gotten some really good exposure kicking at these. Anyone that can make it, come on out. There's always footbag circles of various levels of expertise, and if you're down, there's a lot of partying that goes on afterwards. Give me a holler if you want directions or anything like that. I'd be more than happy to provide them. Shred on, everyone. Alex (Integer, of the Penn State Trio) P.S. Regarding Kaiser's comments. . .I've seen his girlfriend. You'd rather not take place in any big events in his bedroom. [You know I'm just playin', Soze. Your woman's dope!] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 4 20:34:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27172 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:34:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.on.home.com (ha1.rdc2.on.home.com [24.9.0.15]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12709 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:09:44 -0700 Received: from cd63049a ([24.108.108.7]) by mail.rdc2.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000704030938.MMIM14115.mail.rdc2.on.home.com@cd63049a> for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 20:09:38 -0700 Message-ID: <013701bfe565$9962a660$076c6c18@mscord1.mb.wave.home.com> From: "Erik Chan" To: Subject: [freestyle] UNS Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:11:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i..have a question about unusual body part contacts: anything other than the common TOE/INSIDE/OUTSIDE attains an extra ADD for "UNS", correct? should not, then, such contacts as a FOREHEAD delay or SHOULDER delay be considered "unusual body"? [this has been bothering my for a while -- if anybody could lend me an answer.....] also.."infinities" are any ONE move [set from one side catch on OP] linked together, back and forth...right? ~erik [ http://www.geocities.com/hackrifice/ ] <----62 move demonstration videos should be up this saturday ^__^ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 4 20:41:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27219 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:41:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27216 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:41:48 -0700 Received: from fep2.excitehome.net (fep2.excitehome.net [24.0.26.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10091 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:38:18 -0700 Received: from kaos ([204.62.245.13]) by fep2.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000704200851.XSRG26825.fep2.excitehome.net@kaos> for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:08:51 -0700 Received: from [24.16.24.8] by kaos (8.8.8+Sun/Spike-2.0) id NAA14833; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <013701bfe565$9962a660$076c6c18@mscord1.mb.wave.home.com> References: <013701bfe565$9962a660$076c6c18@mscord1.mb.wave.home.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:08:57 -0700 To: From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] UNS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:11 PM -0500 7/3/00, Erik Chan wrote: >i..have a question about unusual body part contacts: >anything other than the common TOE/INSIDE/OUTSIDE attains an >extra ADD for "UNS", correct? >should not, then, such contacts as a FOREHEAD delay or >SHOULDER delay be considered "unusual body"? >[this has been bothering my for a while -- if anybody could >lend me an answer.....] Erik, please read the archives -- I posted a long message about this a few months ago. Short version: non-leg contacts can never get any add besides unusual. They are not delays, and they are not bodies. And knee is also considered "usual" (so add that to your list above). No contact with any part of your body aside from your legs/feet can ever get anything more than 1 add (unless combined with other components, obviously, such as a spin). Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 5 06:49:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28782 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:49:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11833 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:19:54 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:48:54 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFE5C6.DA44F1E0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:48:01 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFE5C6.DA44F1E0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] NYers Shred the K-Rockathon! Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:47:55 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Cross... >I'm going to be having some simply business cards made that just say >"www.footbag.org" on them and pass them out to people that ask about >freestyle right on!... footbag.org is a tremendous website. We need to take advantage of it any way we can. That's what it's for... spread the word... teach the sport. I encourage anyone who can to do this. Business Cards are CHEAP... Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 5 06:50:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28789 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:50:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11943 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:25:41 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:54:46 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFE5C7.AD651A00@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:53:56 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFE5C7.AD651A00@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] eggbeater/atomic set Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:53:54 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Philip Summers... >The way I see it, an eggbeater is a straight move - no set. The other way >is an atmoic switchover. I would say skool them both, don't skip any >basic/intermediate level skills. Practice your eggbeaters with your dlos >and practice atomic switchover with atomsmasher and legbeater. right on!... Atomic legover and eggbeater are 2 different moves. Both are set from a toe. However, only one is a toe set. The other is an atomic set(which incorporates an op 'out to in' dexterity within the set of the bag). Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 5 06:52:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28813 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:52:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from www0v.netaddress.usa.net ([204.68.24.51]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA12128 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:33:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 22903 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2000 22:03:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000704220334.22902.qmail@www0v.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.51 by www0v for [24.147.248.251] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Tue Jul 4 22:03:34 GMT 2000 Date: 4 Jul 00 18:03:34 EDT From: Gary Heffernan To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Dex Pendulum X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id WAA27668 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i have been wondering this for a while and i havent bothered to ask anyone, but why does a Pendulum get an add for DEX? i dont understand exactly and it'd be good if someone could explain, thanks Gary From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 5 07:29:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA28914 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:29:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19677 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:23:22 -0700 Received: from patti.excite.com ([199.172.148.159]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000705065352.DPLU15522.ewey.excite.com@patti.excite.com> for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:53:52 -0700 Message-ID: <32909527.962780032575.JavaMail.imail@patti.excite.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:53:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Wulff Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Trivia Style 7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.254.24.241 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all... Ironman here with answers to your questions and questions for your answers. Things are really heating up as we come to the final episodes. We will conclude with episode #10 in a couple weeks and someone will have a free entry to worlds compliments of "The Brat" himself. We currently have a tie between a new schooler and an old and Becca's hot on both your heals. Hers goes... pay attention and get back to me ASAP as answers can come at any time. It won't always be a week or 2 between episodes. Current Standings posted below... answers to 6... >1. worth 2 adds for old shoolers and 4 for new schoolers... >Who of the original Big Add Posse is still completely active & >on the cutting edge of style?! Peter "the Executioner" Irish "Rippin" Rick Reese Many missed one or the other which I thought may have been obvious... :( But more of you included some who were not original members. You got deductions accordingly. sorry... >2. Who was the man behind the idea for the original shred contest? Joe Solonoski... he also came up with a service poaching contest, ironman competition, and some other specialty contests which may involve golf or something... :):) These events were the first of their kind and are still held at the Funtastik tourney annually... which is directed by Joe and wife Brenda. Awesome folks... >Who won that original shred contest? "Rippin" Rick Reese This one was tuff and I forgot to post the points worth when I posted the question. It was 4 for new schoolers and 3 for old. New Style #7... 1. Worth 6 adds for new schoolers and 3 adds for old... Name the architects for the Adds System for freestyle scoring. There were 3... I will accept any 2 and give full credit. 2. From the category of "freestyle fringe" and worth 4 adds for new schoolers and 2 for old... Kenny Shults is most definitely the greatest overall footbag player of all time. He is the open player who consistently threatened to win every major footbag title in every tournament he entered until he retired from singles net. I heard he has said, in his latter years of overall competition, "I don't train for net by playing net. I train for net by playing freestyle". I want you to tell me... from the world championship titles listed below... Which has Kenny yet to win? a. Overall World Champion b. Golf c. Mixed Doubles Net e. 5 minute timed consecutives 3. 3 adds... once again... D-Money "The minute I slow-mo'd blur backwards I knew it was a new move right away. In fact Dimitri hit it that same night. We did not have a name for it but" Who named "Legbeater"? Hope you're havin fun... I'm not... :) Ironman > Aaron Edggerton - 7 > Adrian Dick - 6 > Alex Ibardaloza - 6 > Becca - 43 > Bob Green - 10 > Brad Kaplin - 28 > Bryan Fournier - 2 > Corey Current - 12 > Danny Cardonne - 4 > Dave Reid - 5 > Dennis Lee - 3 > Eli Piltz - (-6) > Eric "Wicked" Windsor - 8 > Ernest Crvch - 5 > GF Smoothie - 44 > Ian Dubman - 17 > James Roberts - 2 > Jeremiah J. Riley - 6 > John Schneider - 44 > Ken "Ceiling Fan" Semolinos - 24 > Phillip Summers - 3 > Scott "The Enlightener" Davidson - 11 > Sebastian Duchesne - 10 > Shredstein - 7 > Stan Sagalovskiy - 3 > Tina Lewis - 7 > Tuan Vu - 2 > Tu Vu - 6 > Vince Bradley - 13 > Yacine - 9 > _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 6 01:30:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31856 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 01:30:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1304.mail.yahoo.com (web1304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.154]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA06215 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:38:04 -0700 Received: (qmail 19447 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2000 23:08:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000705230842.19446.qmail@web1304.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <01BFE5C6.DA44F1E0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Received: from [63.78.45.122] by web1304.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:08:42 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:08:42 -0700 (PDT) From: ERiC WiNDSoR Subject: Re: [freestyle] NYers Shred the K-Rockathon! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Matt Cross... > > >I'm going to be having some simply business cards made that just say > >"www.footbag.org" on them and pass them out to people that ask about > >freestyle Damn good idea. Windsor From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 6 06:59:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA32765 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:59:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4502.mail.yahoo.com (web4502.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA14619 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:48:25 -0700 Message-ID: <20000706061834.12279.qmail@web4502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.220.164.192] by web4502.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:18:34 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Edwin Tichenor Subject: [freestyle] atomic set ?? To: footbag free MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey, just a question from a newbie. i've been really working on the blur set, and i finally got it down(somewhat). I think its time to move on to another set ,and i would like to know how to do an atomic set seeing as how i don't even know where to start with the move. if anyone can give me some imput i'd be grateful. wish i could have made it to the philly smurf, unfortunetly i had a soccer tournament that very same weekend, to my dismay. hopefully, i'll see everyone in the funtastik tourney in my home town. product of the east coast, edwin tichenor or win as i prefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 6 08:28:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00534 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:28:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14991 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:16:43 -0700 Received: from patti.excite.com ([199.172.148.159]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000706064722.CNWB19759.ewey.excite.com@patti.excite.com> for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:47:22 -0700 Message-ID: <7819605.962866041991.JavaMail.imail@patti.excite.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:47:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Wulff Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] clear any confusion on Trivia Style 7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.33.33.36 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi some... Some of you seem confused a bit over over #1 on Trivia 7. When I say give me the "architects" I am referring to people. I want the names of those who came up with the Add system. thx Ironman... Out _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 6 18:24:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02295 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:24:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.hmhs.com (firewall-user@smtp.hmhs.com [38.233.72.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06477 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:41:50 -0700 Received: by smtp.hmhs.com; id EAA02387; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 04:12:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from unknown(167.99.69.118) by smtp.hmhs.com via smap (4.1) id xma002385; Thu, 6 Jul 00 04:12:26 -0500 Received: by SVARLEXC05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 04:09:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Wilson, Mike" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Austin Shred Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 04:09:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just wanted to say that the Austin shred was pretty awesome. It was very inspirational. I'm looking forward to the next get together within 300 miles of Ft. Worth. Peace Out, Ft. Worth Hackaholics From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 6 18:25:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02306 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:25:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09176 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:17:39 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:48:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] other promotional ideas Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:48:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all-- As a sort of continuation of the "Matt Cross Business Card Idea" thread, I was curious to hear other promotional / footbag educational things that people are doing. First... Matt, great idea with the business cards. We've printed up little word documents before, and that worked well, but business cards are even better because people will tend not to lose business cards as easily. Nice work!! So what else are people doing? Maybe your idea hasn't been thought of by everyone else, and might help spread things around. Just send your reply to me, and I'll sort of compile the ideas that I get (and remove duplicates) and send them out to everyone in a little while. Thanks! Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 6 21:52:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03185 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:52:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1303.mail.yahoo.com (web1303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.153]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA18815 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:59:23 -0700 Received: (qmail 20282 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2000 20:30:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000706203002.20281.qmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [63.78.45.113] by web1303.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:30:02 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: ERiC WiNDSoR Subject: Re: [freestyle] other promotional ideas To: "Riefer, Robert" Cc: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- "Riefer, Robert" wrote: > Hey all-- >......people will tend not to lose business > cards as easily. Nice > work!! > > So what else are people doing? Maybe your idea > hasn't been thought of by > everyone else, and might help spread things around. > Thanks! > Bob Riefer I think promotion is a topic of the list that seriously needs to be talked about. Instead of talking about "what has happened to footbag" why don't we start doing stuff to actually change things? Not that I disagree with everyday ordinary topics, but I feel there has been a lack of more *important* issues. Particularly growing the sport of footbag. That is why I am going to start telling about my ideas. Many of us have ideas and shame on us for not telling others who are interested in promotion of the sport. First, I think the buisness card idea is great. Maybe we should do this on a massive scale.... There should also be some sort of tracking system to see how many people actually went to the site after receiving card. Maybe there should be a button on footbag.org saying "click here if you recived a buisness card." The internet is probably one of the most useful elements for promoting the sport which has been said many, many times. Other things I have done so far are....directed a tournament, made a video to give out, and endlessly called people near me who were interested in footbag. Sometimes people are scared/lazy to come out for whatever reason and a little encouragement helps. The biggest promotion for footbag is actually playing the sport. Most of all, playing in highly populated areas. I got into the sport from seeing it at my local pier. Just some ideas, most of which conventional. Its really hard to come up with ideas so please, please tell us your ideas even if you have tried them or not. I'm at work so i can't go on for too long so bye, bye. Eric Windsor O /|\ o \\ _// ` From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 7 18:03:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06014 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 18:03:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f207.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.207]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA28585 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:02:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 76979 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2000 04:32:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20000707043252.76978.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000702135604.18721.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 12.5.165.12 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:32:52 PDT X-Originating-IP: [12.5.165.12] From: "Frank Mingst" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pendulum Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:32:52 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Gary wrote: >Can someone explain it [pendulum] in great detail to >me? The pendulum is something that you just have to jack with until you get it. I hit my first just screwing around in an indoor atrium at a hotel at UIL Regionals in Abilene. There are a few tips thet I can give you though. First, when you catch the bag on your toe DO NOT accelerate your foot any, you must maintain a uniform speed. Second, swing your leg straight back behind you. The best way to accomplish this is to keep your leg straight and swing it backwards, when your hip has gone as far as it will go swing your knee and when it has gone as far as it will go switch to your foot. You should end up with your toe pointing up towards the sky. You should never attempt to look at the bag while performing this move; doing so will misalign your body and the bag will hook into your shoulder or the floor. And remember... ALWAYS USE BOTH FEET!!! Frank "devilman" Mingst From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 7 18:04:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06025 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 18:04:51 -0700 Received: from stone.ec.rockwell.com (firewall-user@stone.ec.rockwell.com [199.191.58.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA05104 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:02:09 -0700 Received: by stone.ec.rockwell.com; id HAA03559; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:26:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: stone.ec.rockwell.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/mqueue/check Received: from borg.switch.rockwell.com(131.198.119.64) by stone.ec.rockwell.com via smap (V5.5) id xma003374; Fri, 7 Jul 00 07:25:45 -0500 Received: from pcklokow (pcklokow [131.198.116.31]) by borg.switch.rockwell.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA07659; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:31:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002101bfe80e$ee9372d0$1f74c683@pcklokow.ec.rockwell.com> In-Reply-To: <20000706203002.20281.qmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Dan Klokow" To: "ERiC WiNDSoR" , "Riefer, Robert" Cc: Subject: Re: [freestyle] other promotional ideas Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:29:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric wrote... >First, I think the buisness card idea is great. Maybe >we should do this on a massive scale.... Waazup, What a coincidence! My sister just sent me a link where anyone can get 250 FREE Buisness cards from Staples.com. Check it out!>> >http://www.staplespromo.easiest.com/order/index.cfm -Dan CIC (Chicago Inner Circle) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 7 18:05:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06030 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 18:05:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.58.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05583 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:24:42 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:55:24 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] other promotional ideas Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:55:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I wrote: > Just > send your reply to > me, and I'll sort of compile the ideas that I get (and remove > duplicates) > and send them out to everyone in a little while. > > Thanks! > Bob Riefer > > I got a couple of really good ones already, so I can't resist letting them out of the bag earlier than I expected... ** GF Smoothie: GF says simply letting everyone know about the website is one good thing, and that he has gone as far as to march in a parade with his footbag to gain exposure. He wears shirts that have "footbag.org" written on them too. Telling people about the website etc, may seem obvious, but I know there may be some people that are shy to advertise for the web.. Don't be shy!! How'd you get interested? Through footbag.org if I had to guess!!! ** Matt Craig of the Michigan Footbag Club: OK, so this has long been a favorite idea of mine, and it is really easy to pull off. Plus, it's a really effective tool. Here's a quote from his email: > Make a little two sided ad board with the name of your club and footbag.org on > it and stand it up wherever you get together to play. I don't know what the > technical name of those signs are, but you know the ones I am talking about > like you see outside a coffee shop on the sidewalk with the specials written > on it. You could even have a pouch for flyers and business cards that says > "Please take one!" This is called a sandwich board I think, and you can easily get what you need together for about $15. Some plywood, some paint, some stencils... That's it! When you've never seen footbag freestyle before, it can be pretty intimidating to jump in and ask questions to these crazy kids doing all these crazy tricks right? Well.. this idea allows people to kind of sneak in, grab a pamphlet or write down the website etc.. and then ask questions when they're a little more comfortable. OK, I'll shut up. Good idea Matt!!! ** Eric Windsor: I know you all already saw his message, but I have to reiterate what a good idea Eric has here. He took a great idea and went further with it. Steve G...Anyone...Beuller.... who do we need to talk to try to get something like this off the ground? Do the "powers that be" think this is as good an idea as I do? Good work again to Matt Cross for starting this idea, and hence starting this thread!! Eric wrote: > First, I think the business card idea is great. Maybe > we should do this on a massive scale.... There should > also be some sort of tracking system to see how many > people actually went to the site after receiving card. > Maybe there should be a button on footbag.org saying > "click here if you received a business card." Brian Kimball: OK, here's another great idea. A direct quote from Brian: > www.footbag.org shirts! Tourney directors are already putting the website on their T's for the most part as far as I can tell, but maybe these shirts could be sort of a walking business card. Without the distraction of all the sponsor logos etc, the web address might have a better chance at being remembered. Again to the "powers that be" could we possibly do something where as part of some sort of special footbag membership, you pay a small one time donation and in return get a footbag.org t to help advertise? Just asking! Don't kill me!! ;) ************* OK, folks! That's just about it so far. Try some of these ideas out on your own. We can't let the same people continue to do all the promoting for the sport-- they've more than paid their dues, so it's everyone else's' turn now. Beyond just playing a lot and being in the public eye when possible (which are both super important things) we need to each take a little more responsibility to keep the new players coming in, and to let people know about our great sport! Keep the ideas coming! Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 7 18:12:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06096 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 18:12:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30865 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:44:49 -0700 Received: from hippie.excite.com ([199.172.148.180]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000707071514.LMUS5354.bucky.excite.com@hippie.excite.com> for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:15:14 -0700 Message-ID: <23912493.962954114028.JavaMail.imail@hippie.excite.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Everspaugh To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle Around the World Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.172.21.179 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is more of a little story. I was playing footbag at my favorite coffee shoppe on the 4th when I started busting out ATW's. Everybody thought it was rad. (FYI I am one of the best footbag player in the small town of New Buffalo.) I had a sudden flashback to my first ATW. I was in SubWay, and They let us play footbag inside. I just go done with a rad session of 4 people playing in a small dining area. 3 time the grey and black small dirtbag landed on the soda fountain. We had to sit down because some tourists came in and it was part of our deal to stop when customers came in. We sat down and me and another friend started hacking while sitting. I said, "I figured out ho to do an Around The World yesterday, but I can't get it." I tried for about 2 hours that morning. So I got the footbag and gave it a shot. Missed, so they laughed, and I tried again. "Oh Man," said a friend when I got it on the second try, sitting down. I wasn't able to do it for about three months after that, but now I can do it. It helps to have shoes on instead of combat boots, trust me. Hollywood Bob _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 8 06:43:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07949 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 06:43:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21935 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 21:31:59 -0700 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08220 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:02:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:02:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Midwest Regionals in Chicago Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I need a place to stay at on the first night (the 21st.) Would anyone be kind enough to give me a bed/couch/floor to crash on? or perhaps would any other out-of-towners like to share a hotel room? -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 8 06:49:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07983 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 06:49:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15747 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:55:48 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id z.ca.7146849 (3704) for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002101bfe80e$ee9372d0$1f74c683@pcklokow.ec.rockwell.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:25:55 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] other promotional ideas To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 7/7/00 1:33:25 PM, klokow@ec.rockwell.com writes: > What a coincidence! My sister just sent me a link where anyone can get 250 > FREE Buisness cards from Staples.com. Check it out!>> > >http://www.staplespromo.easiest.com/order/index.cfm This is a spectacular post, thanks alot to Dan for that. EVERYONE do this, EVERYONE get the business cards, I just ordered mine. they'll be great for exposure. Concerts, public gathers, EVERYTHING, but don't just hand them out. shred, and keep them in your pockets, and just give someone one when they ask questions. Matt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 8 06:51:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08010 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 06:51:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [216.86.64.33]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13234 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:58:51 -0700 Received: from provide.net (usr05-041.provide.net [216.86.67.41]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06482 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39663018.47D7FBCA@provide.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:31:36 -0400 From: matt craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] other promotional ideas References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Robert Riefer wrote: > ** GF Smoothie: > GF says simply letting everyone know about the website is one good thing, > and that he has gone as far as to march in a parade with his footbag to gain > exposure. As I was a witness (too scared to jump in and show off my lackluster skills in a parade) I'd say if you can handle kicking for 2 miles at a 8mph pace, parades are an amazing way to advertise the sport. And its a great way to warm up. GF may have been sweating and breathing hard after marching/kicking 1 1/2 miles (dropless as far as I saw, too) he shredded like a madman for two hours afterward. -- Let me see you do that with your left MC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 8 06:51:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08021 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 06:51:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Evan Edmondson Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12624 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:33:00 -0700 Received: from ThisBeEvan@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id z.f9.9fe548 (4403) for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:03:01 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Tours To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I was just wondering has anyone ever done/tried a footbag tour. I think that would be really cool if alot of the pro's could get together and just travel the country. I know this would be really hard on the players but... Also I think there should be a place on footbag.org for donations to sponsor future tours. my 2 cents evan edmondson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 8 06:52:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08032 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 06:52:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from davisbrody.com (mail.davisbrody.com [205.253.194.181]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12413 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:22:05 -0700 Received: from davisbrody.com [209.73.237.244] by davisbrody.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.04) id A39D8953023A; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:38:21 EDT Message-ID: <39662509.A39E68FF@davisbrody.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:44:25 -0400 From: Bruce Dole X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] other promotional ideas References: <002101bfe80e$ee9372d0$1f74c683@pcklokow.ec.rockwell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thanks Dan, 10 minutes after reading your e-mail I had 250 cards designed and ready to go...it's pretty easy. I suggest layout #2 with the soccer ball logo. Very cool indeed...I don't know how many times people have come up to me asking for information, and I tell them the name of the relevant sites to visit, but I know they're just gonna forget it 5 minutes later. Let's spread the word that this game ROCKS! I feel sorry for everyone who doesn't play...they don't know what they're misssing, and this free offer from Staples is a great way to get exposure! So in the words of the man.... "DO IT!!!! DO IT NOW!!!!! " -Arnold Schwarzenegger Later, Bruce New York Footbag Department Dan Klokow wrote: > Eric wrote... > >First, I think the buisness card idea is great. Maybe > >we should do this on a massive scale.... > > Waazup, > What a coincidence! My sister just sent me a link where anyone can get 250 > FREE Buisness cards from Staples.com. Check it out!>> > >http://www.staplespromo.easiest.com/order/index.cfm > > -Dan > CIC > (Chicago Inner Circle) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 8 06:53:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08043 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 06:53:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11103 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:30:21 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.202.211]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FXC00KZP9WYMM@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:58:35 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] other promotional ideas To: Dan Klokow , ERiC WiNDSoR , "Riefer, Robert" Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <002401bfe83c$fbb9c1c0$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 References: <002101bfe80e$ee9372d0$1f74c683@pcklokow.ec.rockwell.com> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org amazing! everybody should do this we each get 250 free ones.. woo hoo! you rock DAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Klokow" To: "ERiC WiNDSoR" ; "Riefer, Robert" Cc: Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [freestyle] other promotional ideas > Eric wrote... > >First, I think the buisness card idea is great. Maybe > >we should do this on a massive scale.... > > Waazup, > What a coincidence! My sister just sent me a link where anyone can get 250 > FREE Buisness cards from Staples.com. Check it out!>> > >http://www.staplespromo.easiest.com/order/index.cfm > > -Dan > CIC > (Chicago Inner Circle) > > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 8 07:01:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08106 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 07:01:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23855 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:55:23 -0700 Received: from user ([24.64.198.162]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000708062556.HHIN10910.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@user> for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:25:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bfe8a5$87b817e0$a2c64018@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "allan haggett" To: Subject: [freestyle] Move name Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:27:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Just wondering if "Puree" is a name that has been taken already for any particular move(in the tradition of blender, food processor etc...).... if not I think I might like to use it for stepping opp. butterfly twirl. Anyone think it fits? or not? I finally hit Marius(spinning prdx torque) the other day, and have worked it into a string or two since then... I hit this move once or twice about a year ago but it has left me since then... anyone experience this (moves that just seem easy for one day and then go away for months on end)??? Allan Victoria BC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jul 9 04:53:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10902 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 04:53:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f132.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.132]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA31486 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:59:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 1581 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2000 16:29:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000708162942.1580.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.69.17 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Jul 2000 09:29:42 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.69.17] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Tours Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 09:29:42 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Evan wrote: >Hey, I was just wondering has anyone ever done/tried a footbag tour. WFA sends people all around every year. Masterfoods just sent a group of people around eastern europe with Jubal, Chard and co. I´m told by a friend in Prague Jubal hit a 7 add move in front of him. And, maybe you can still get air fair for the ZION tour. It starts right after the European Champs and goes all along the french coast. Tones of great European players are going along, I´m leaving the continent and kind of broke or I´d be there with them. >Also I think there should be a place on footbag.org for donations to >sponsor future tours. Well come to think of it, I´m kind of amazed there´s no place to give donations to footbag.org I admire Steve for not doing it yet, but I kind of wonder how long he can keep pooring money into this sport without asking for some more help. Props to Steve, but I´m still going to skool your ass bloody in Paris :) -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jul 9 04:54:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10913 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 04:54:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f27.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08150 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:29:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 43137 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2000 02:59:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000709025924.43136.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.44.107.113 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Jul 2000 19:59:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.44.107.113] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] eggbeater/atomic set Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:59:24 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hi all, just wanted to say a bit about eggbeater and style in general, while watching freestyle videos i realized why my style looks so awkward to me - i plant my setting leg before the other one is in the air. so it looks like i'm taking extra steps. i've been skooling *mirages* today to try and get rid of this step and make the moves look smoother - it was *very* difficult and will take many many more weeks. (not to say that it's a bad style, i've seen some shredders busting out big moves *with* a plant and their style looked very natural) mm.. right.. what i was commenting on is the eggbeater. there're almost 3 styles to it: 1. with the atomic set. 2. toe set (plant) > eggbeater 3. toe set > while the setting leg is about to be planted, the other leg is on its way to do the first dexterity. maybe some will argue, but personally, while trying #2 and #3 i've found them very different. my seventeen cents Stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 10 03:11:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13219 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 03:11:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA31738 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:13:17 -0700 Message-ID: <20000709204326.20860.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.197.47] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:43:26 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mark defilippo Subject: [freestyle] vancouver sleep To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello everyone out there in footbag land. im coming out to worlds from montana and want to get in on a room with some people. last year i got a room and let lots of hackers crash in chi_town. this year if anybody who got a room early and need some one to kick some flow for extra bed space or even floor space that would be way cool. let me know at markdshred@aol.com or cxall me in new york at 518 370 4552. thanx late markdshred From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 10 19:45:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15886 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:45:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f103.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.103]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03835 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:07:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 37816 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2000 18:37:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000710183754.37815.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.194.80 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:37:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.194.80] From: "Brian Hines" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] any new/old lavers Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:37:54 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org yo bagaz, I was wondering if there was any canadians out there that had lavers that they would be interested in selling in a size 10 1/2. I want to get these shoes but it costs over 100 dollars canadian to order them, and I simply don't have that right now. if any one would be interested plese reply, it would help me out a lot, another question, did any canadians try to order the 250 business cards?, if so what did you put for "state/Prov", there was no canadian provinces? well I guess that is it for now, until next time keep kickn Brian Hines footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 11 17:08:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19391 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:08:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11369 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:55:04 -0700 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.228.226.156]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03733; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B4BA7.66C786AA@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:30:31 -0400 From: S/G Duchesne Reply-To: sg.duchesne@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle CC: yevez@hotmail.com Subject: [freestyle] Montreal Tournament wrap-up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey freestyle World! This is Yacine reporting from Montreal! The Tournament in Montreal was great. We had plenty of fun and were witness to major busting even though we had shitty weather. Ken S. was hitting a bunch of 5s, 6s... and 7s! He hit a few blurry ducking symp. whirls and ducking food processors and some of those were clean without any doubt and sealed too. Shred on! Sébastien D. is getting stronger by the day since he came back from Westerns. His brain,s been thinking about some phat moves and he was going long and strong. Blurriests and flurries. Fogs and Vortices. Y'know... that kind of easy stuff. I must admit I had a great week-end too. So I'll boast a bit. Ripped warrior and atomic drifter. May I say: Woohoo! The best part of the week-end was the women turn-out this week-end. Mel Schneider made the trip up north, skooled and spanked a lot of us. She is a machine. She just won't stop shredding. Also our 3 local women freestyler joined in. Marilou, Marilyn and Caroline. The biggest surprise came from a small town: Shawinigan! I'm sure nobody has ever heard of it but they have 2 great freestylers so open up your atlas and look for it now! Nice work Kavin and Sam. All in all it was a great week-end, except for my neigbors who were tired of all the partying at my place! See you all at Worlds! -Yacine Here are the results for the routines and shred contest: Routines Open 1.Ken Somolinos, NY 2.Yacine Merzouk, Montréal 3.Sébastien Duchesne, Montréal 4.Marc Giard-Larivière, montréal Intermédiaire 1.Melissa Schneider, Somewhere in Massachussets (I forgot) 2.Kavin Thiffault, Shawinigan 3.Samuel Jobin, Shawinigan 4.Hugues Veillette, Montréal 5.Pierre-Pascal Gauthier, Montréal 6.Marilou Ouimet, Montréal Novice 1.Adam Pirog, Montréal 2.Caroline Bourgoin, Montréal 3.Joël Murray, Montréal Shred Contest Open 1.Ken Somolinos, 121.8 2.Sébastien Duchesne, 119.6 3.Yacine Merzouk, 111.2 4.Danny Cardonne, 88.8 5.Marc Giard, 77.1 6.Kavin Thiffault, 71.4 7.Pierre-Pascal gauthier, 57.4 8.Samuel Jobin, 53.6 Intermediate (tiltless moves were counted towards uniques) 1.Mel Schneider, 77.7 2.Marc-André Veillette, 63.2 3.Yan ?, 58.3 4.Hugues Veillette, 56.0 5.Adam Pirog, 33.0 6.Joel Murray, 22.5 From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 12 06:41:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21768 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:41:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32282 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:35:54 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:05:01 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFEB7B.8A6A72C0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:04:02 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFEB7B.8A6A72C0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] 250 FREE www.footbag.org cards Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:04:00 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sunil inspired by Matt & others said on the footbag list... >To all who want to help promote footbag: >Bruce Dole signed off with a quote we should all take to heart: >"DO IT!!!! DO IT NOW!!!!! " -Arnold Schwarzenegger I want to say again... great idea... easy to do... Done! Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 12 19:31:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24519 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:31:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f37.hotmail.com [209.185.131.100]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA18214 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:07:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 43008 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2000 15:37:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000712153723.43007.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <01BFEB7B.8A6A72C0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> Received: from 62.157.66.183 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:37:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [62.157.66.183] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] 250 FREE www.footbag.org cards Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:37:23 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > >To all who want to help promote footbag: >I want to say again... great idea... easy to do... Done! has anyone found a similar service for germany or the rest of the world yet ? fabian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 13 19:12:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29079 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:12:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f257.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.30]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA22752 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:18:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 10584 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2000 12:48:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000713124825.10583.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 132.208.191.58 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:48:24 PDT X-Originating-IP: [132.208.191.58] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] candy Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:48:24 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Not to be exceedingly random, but the other day at the grocery store here in Montreal, I was struck by the number of candy bars here that have freestyle names. At one store I saw: Mirage, Royale, Fusion, and Twirls. Not to mention all the Reese`s products. Shred on, CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 13 20:02:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29290 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:02:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA01662 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:37:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 8427 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2000 19:07:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000713190749.8426.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.198] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:07:49 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:07:49 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] anyone need some lavers? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ive got a brand new pair of old skool (not those millenium) lavers 8 1/2US. That's 1/2 size too small for me. Anyone want em? $50 w/shipping? Lemme know. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 14 04:29:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA31515 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:29:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f215.hotmail.com [216.32.181.215]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17039 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:50:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 16887 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2000 03:20:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000714032014.16886.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000713124825.10583.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.191.82.135 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:20:13 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.191.82.135] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] candy Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:20:13 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Ken and all, >Not to be exceedingly random, but the other day at the grocery store here >in Montreal, I was struck by the number of candy bars here that >have >freestyle names. At one store I saw: Mirage, Royale, Fusion, >and Twirls. Yeah, Montreal is where the freestyle shit is at. Woohoo! Peace, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 14 06:39:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA31764 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 06:39:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20975 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:08:00 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.200.89]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FXO00FKHAARC1@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:37:48 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] oops I made a website To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <002f01bfed55$a54f3d60$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'd like to tell you that OOPS! Footbag Club now has a website. "Grumble Grumble," you grumble. "What's so special about another club website? Am I going to see a dictionary of footbag terms that I already know?" No. "Am I going to see pictures of a bunch of hacky sacker kids toe stalling?" No. *Cough cough Chad Devlahovich Cough* "So why should I go?" Well, because it's OOPS! Ok ok... because we, in conjunction with Tara Ohr of Sole Power, created a comprehensive stretching guide for freestyle footbag. It is separated into sections by muscle group so if you already have a warm up routine you can look at a specific area, say, for an injury. It is also a great beginning guide to stretching. Everything from ankle flexibility to the correct way to stretch. I'm proud. Tara's awesome. What else is there to say about that? One of my favorite parts of the OOPS! Website is our pet squirrel. Oh but don't take my word for it, check out the multimedia section. Think you're up to date on footbag happenings? You're WRONG. hehe We finally pieced together the freestyle results in all categories for the 2000 Southern California Footbag Championships.(better late than never) Net results are coming soon. Sorry, David Butcher is in Europe crushing some frenchies. :c) I love french fries. Ok What else? There is a members section with cool pictures of our members. It will be the first place to get info about our tournament, the Southern California Footbag Championships. The site is still being added to but is fully functional as of this moment. Things to look forward to are: More stretches.. of course you master footbag players are also the master stretchers (it's the S) so when you send me your stretch ideas.. ill post them More links.. as of now only have 2 and blah blah blah cool stuff, pictures, members, party drum roll.. http://www.penny-lane.com/oops Can't wait to represent at worlds: The oops team: Chad D, Bryan F, and Sam Love, OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach / o\ \O ( /_/ | \/\ / \_ | / /|\ \ ___/_|_\___ You get what you give /o /\ / ? |_ | O /O | /|\ /|\ / \ ___/_|_\___| | -Sam Colclough From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 14 19:29:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01420 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:29:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f310.hotmail.com [216.32.180.164]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07478 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:24:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 60962 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2000 16:54:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000714165419.60961.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.203.249 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:54:19 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.203.249] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Prize Money and Leg exercise.... Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:54:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everybody, I have two questions for the good ppl of this list today ... First of all ... In tournaments, in the open division when there are cash prizes, how much does the winner usually get? Now I know it probably depends on the tournament, and how many ppl enter and stuff, but just give me a ballpark figure, because I'm interested to know... Second question ... Do any of the stylers out there do specific exercise to build up the muscles in their legs? ex: lifting weights or something like that. So, do any of you guys do exercises like that to improve your game, or can you be super good by just leaving yourself how ya are? See ya, Cole http://footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 15 06:45:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03382 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 06:45:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19374 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:26:49 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna50.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.61]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32854 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:57:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000714175550.00b1f7c0@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:57:00 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Midwest Regionals. . . Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org So, uhhhh. . .what's the deal with Midwest Regionals? There's nothing posted on the web yet as to exact location, exact times, tournament registration, social schedule, etc. Anybody know anything more about what's up? Alex (Integer, of PST) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 15 08:44:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03551 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:44:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30923 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:18:16 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust126.tnt82.chi5.da.uu.net [63.38.3.126]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18474; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39701718.EA8B38DA@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 02:47:36 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Faber CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Midwest Regionals. . . References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000714175550.00b1f7c0@email.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This definately needs to get cleared up and quick... it's in a week for god's sake... the reason I'm writing is to say that last I knew Scott D's e-mail was full... and he's the organizer.. one of us will get in touch with him ASAP and relay the info here.. thanx for your time..... -TW (Chicago Inner Circle) Alexander Faber wrote: > So, uhhhh. . .what's the deal with Midwest Regionals? There's nothing > posted on the web yet as to exact location, exact times, tournament > registration, social schedule, etc. Anybody know anything more about > what's up? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jul 16 01:41:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05688 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:41:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2903.mail.yahoo.com (web2903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.46]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA11176 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:42:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 13834 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2000 15:13:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000715151318.13833.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.96.111.200] by web2903.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:13:18 PDT Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 08:13:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Hans Freller Subject: [freestyle] New Zealand Freestyle To: Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey People, New Zealand here. This is a note to all those interested in knowing how freestyle is going in New Zealand (you know that small country just off the coast of Australia in the south pacific) well I thought that I had better give you an update on how we are down here. First of all a special thanks to Ryan Mulroney for being such an inspiration to me and my friends in Wellington, New Zealand (you know who you are) After seeing you in action...need I say more...nuff said. Not to say that Kenny Shults, Rick Reese don't get a mention they will always be the masters of the game. Thanks for all your styles. I know that we all have lots to say about the general play of freestyle here in New Zealand but I'll try to keep it as close to the truth as it gets and if theres anyone from NZ who would like to add any more feel free. The way I percieve the situation is that there are two really good freestylers here, both Adrian Dick and Stu Macpherson, who promote the sport here very well getting along side nationally run surf comps doing promos for freestyle as much as possible. Until I saw these guys in person I didn't know that so many tricks were in exsistance and these guys are always keen to share there knowledge of the game. Cheers guys. Now more to my personal level of freestyle. I have been styling for 18 months working on all sorts of moves but mostly trying to perfect those fundamentals. Just recentally while I was up in Wellington I managed to learn more moves in a week than I had previously skooled by myself proably due to the help I had from the crew up there (aye Kenny and John)but I came back home to Christchurch with a sealed pixie butterfly and more of an understanding of the ducking and diving concept(cheers guys)ie: ducking butterfly, ducking mirage. My next mission is to go guiltless as I'm already tiltless according to the law of 2add move progression. So we're taking heed to Ryan's advice "practice like a madman" (understandable something that requires drive). So freestyle here in New Zealand isn't far off the mark and expect a fleet of New Zealanders to be heading to the worlds in 2001-2002 where we will be giving the opposition some whiplash so please be careful as whiplash can be hazardous to your health. I have a couple of Q's 1. Are there any Women in the Big Add Posse 2. How many people are in the BAP 3. What do you have to do to become part of the BAP Cheers Well I thank you all from tuning in to this long little letter from down under. I am sorry if I have spelt anyones name incorrectly. Later Hanz (solo) P.S Because I tend to kick alot by myself hence the (solo) thing Your turn to share Kenny and John From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Jul 16 01:42:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05698 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:42:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01525 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 02:21:04 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.200.192]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FXQ00J5HDWZ2Y@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:51:31 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] Prize Money and Leg exercise.... To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <000d01bfee39$df71ffc0$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 References: <20000714165419.60961.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cole Hobson" > > > Second question ... Do any of the stylers out there do specific exercise to > build up the muscles in their legs? ex: lifting weights or something like > that. So, do any of you guys do exercises like that to improve your game, > or can you be super good by just leaving yourself how ya are? Jump rope. It builds stamina, cuts, tones, simmers, and does everything good for your legs. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 17 07:05:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09448 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 07:05:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f45.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.45]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA32264 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:13:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 42445 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 2000 02:43:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000717024345.42444.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.29.128.129 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:43:44 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.29.128.129] From: "Alex Ibardaloza" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] midwest regionals Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:43:44 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org W'sup, Sorry, I have not been able to get a hold of the Enlightener for the details of Midwest regionals. Ill keep tryin... I was just wondering if anyone arriving into town on Friday would be interested in getting together for a jam session. Please Email me back personally and let me know whats going on. Later, ZEKE Chicago Inner Circle From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 17 07:06:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09459 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 07:06:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01133 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:06:31 -0700 Received: from [128.104.50.54] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id WAA268460 (8.9.1/50); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:37:03 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000716223303.0073d538@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:33:03 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Subject: [freestyle] Midwest Regionals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just wondering if anyone has any information about a nice, cheap (emphasis on cheap) place to stay for one night in the Chicago area for the upcoming Midwest Regionals. I am looking for a place for Friday night. If anyone knows of a hostel, hotel, couch, etc. (that is close to the tournament site) send me an email. Thanks, and I hope all you Midwesterners come out to represent next weekend. Later, Matt Kain From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 18 06:13:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14296 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:13:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f288.hotmail.com [216.32.180.142]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24062 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:08:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 29850 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 2000 17:38:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000717173859.29849.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.194.80 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:38:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.194.80] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Laver Mods Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:38:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I was just wondering something.. I just got my lavers today *yeah!!* And I was looking at the modifications thing on footbag.org. I did some of them, but I was just wondering, the one that it says is the most difficult where you have to remove the hard canvas part. Is this modification for comfort, or does it actually help inside/clipper delays??? Please let me know so I know if I have to do this or not. Thanks... Cole http://footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 18 06:13:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14301 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:13:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f310.hotmail.com [216.32.180.164]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24349 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:16:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 8244 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 2000 17:46:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20000717174657.8243.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 142.177.194.80 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:46:57 PDT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.194.80] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Super Sand Footbag... Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:46:57 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, Another message from me. I'm looking to buy a new footbag and I was wondering if anyone has ever used the Super Sand Footbag, the 32 panel one made out of fleece or something. It looks pretty good, but I want some good opinions before I go out and buy it. As well, I just saw a new footbag made out of hemp, wondering if that's any good.. So, if ya have used these, or know anything about them, please let me know ... Thanks Cole From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 18 06:18:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14319 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:18:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f255.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.133]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA00390 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:05:51 -0700 Received: (qmail 5092 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 2000 21:35:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000717213556.5091.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.67.224.12 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:35:56 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.67.224.12] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Intermediate Level Moves Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:35:56 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, Im really looking forward to worlds, its only like 4 hour drive away from my home town Kelowna BC. Anyway, what I need to know, is that I am competing intermediate, and I need to know what are the biggest moves of this level. My best moves are ripwalk, torque, da da curve, and pixie butterfly, but there's no way I am competing in open catagory. Mulroney, Wulff, Davidson etc are just so awesome, Id be wasting my time other than watching them shred. So if anyone can give me a hand on what moves are good to string together in an intermediate competition, Id be very happy. Thanks Jeff "Man O War" Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 18 06:18:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14330 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:18:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f112.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01523 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:41:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 34462 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 2000 22:11:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000717221131.34461.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.29.128.53 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:11:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.29.128.53] From: "Alex Ibardaloza" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Midwest updated... Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:11:31 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org W'sup, I never got a hold of Scott but it seems that he has already updated the information for Midwest...just click on the link on footbag.org's main page. It says that the Friday night shred has been cancelled but CIC is currently trying to organize a shred session in the city somewhere. Keep in mind that this is not an offical part of the tourney, were just trying to get a jam together :) I hope to get more details about the location soon so E-mail me or get the rest of my contact info from my members profile on footbag.org. Later, ZEKE Chicago Inner Circle From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 18 06:52:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14506 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:52:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f123.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.123]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA13561 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:02:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 25557 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jul 2000 05:32:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000718053229.25556.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.67.224.12 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:32:29 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.67.224.12] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pixie Osis Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:32:29 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I met this awesome footbag freestyler from Louisianna this week. He's here in Kelowna BC for a month, and we have been shreddin a ton at the local beach. He came up with a name for a Pixie Osis which sounded cool, he called it "Opoxis" (A-POX-IS). I thought it was cool, I checked the move list and didnt see pixie osis anywhere, so tell me what you all think. Thanks.... Jeff "Man O War" Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 18 19:45:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16570 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:45:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21647 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:43:18 -0700 Received: from patti.excite.com ([199.172.148.159]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000718091327.DGSZ17120.kuku.excite.com@patti.excite.com> for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:13:27 -0700 Message-ID: <31710659.963911607680.JavaMail.imail@patti.excite.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:13:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Wulff Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] trivia style #8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.254.24.241 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's Up... Wassup... Ssup!? It's time for episode 8 and man... things are heatin up! We've got Jon(without an h :) Schneider in sole possession of first place. We've got 3 new folks on the score board(thx for jumpin in) and we've only got 3 more episodes including this one. Current standings are below, answers for 7 follow and new questions are here too. Answers for Style #7... >1. Worth 6 adds for new schoolers and 3 adds for old... Name >the architects for the Adds System for freestyle scoring. There >were 3... I will accept any 2 and give full credit. Kenny Shults, Rick Reese, Reed Gray >2. From the category of "freestyle fringe" and worth 4 adds for >new schoolers and 2 for old... >Kenny Shults is most definitely the greatest overall footbag >player of all time. He is the open player who consistently >threatened to win every major footbag title in every tournament >he entered until he retired from singles net. I heard he has >said, in his latter years of overall competition, "I don't train >for net by playing net. I train for net by playing freestyle". >I want you to tell me... from the world championship titles >listed below... Which has Kenny yet to win? >a. Overall World Champion >b. Golf >c. Mixed Doubles Net >e. 5 minute timed consecutives answer is "C" >3. 3 adds... once again... D-Money >"The minute I slow-mo'd blur backwards I knew it was a new move >right away. In fact Dimitri hit it that same night. We did not >have a name for it but" >Who named "Legbeater"? D's wife, multiple world champion, multiple team freestyle OPEN finalist... Lisa McDaniel Now for Style #8 1. For 3 adds... Who is the first person to go dropless with over 300 adds in a singles routine? a. "Rippin" Rick Reese b. Peter "The Executioner" Irish c. Scott "The High Enlightener" Davidson d. Ryan "the Regulator" Mulroney e. Kenny "the Enforcer" Shults f. Nobody 2. For 2 adds.... In 95' or 96'(sorry I forget which) Tuan "Disco Ninja" Vu became the first to hit a 6 add move in a singles routine at a major tournament. It wasn't until the 2000 Western Regionals that someone else did this again. This time it was the "Torch"... Ahren Gehrman. What move did he hit SHARP, IN A COMBO and made it look eeaaasy? a. Big Apple(symposium mobius) b. Blurry Torque(stepping paradox torque) c. In-Spinning Mobius d. Shooting Butterfly 3. For 3 adds, Old schoolers must answer fully... New schoolers can give me one or the other... a. Describe the picture or logo which appears on the signature Big Add Posse T-Shirt. b. What is the slogan or phrase on the shirt? Cool!... I like this one. Have Fun & I'll be back with answers before you know it... Ironman Out! Current Standings Aaron Edggerton - 7 Adrian Dick - 9 Alex Ibardaloza - 6 Andrew McCarger - 10 Becca - 49 Bob Green - 20 Brad Kaplin - 28 Bryan Fournier - 2 Corey Current - 12 Danny Cardonne - 4 Dave Reid - 5 Dennis Lee - 3 Derric Schroeder - 4 Eli Piltz - (-6) Eric "Wicked" Windsor - 8 Ernest Crvch - 5 GF Smoothie - 49 Ian Dubman - 23 James Roberts - 7 Jeremiah J. Riley - 6 Jon Schneider - 50 Ken "Ceiling Fan" Semolinos - 34 Phillip Summers - 3 Scott "The Enlightener" Davidson - 11 Sebastian Duchesne - 10 Shredstein - 7 Stan Sagalovskiy - 7 Tina Lewis - 12 Tuan Vu - 7 Tu Vu - 6 Ville Laakso - 9 Vince Bradley - 18 Yacine - 9 _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 18 19:47:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16588 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:47:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA23943 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:31:26 -0700 Received: from storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.59]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 800362D62; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA14096; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:02:05 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRQxijkgwjAtXgwEEWiFFyoF4HFSAIUXm4TSzTkJG9I6Tzm6p9OgS3jgZU= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:02:05 -0400 (EDT) To: airzeke@hotmail.com (Alex Ibardaloza) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Midwest updated... Message-ID: <21212-3974392D-4318@storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: <20000717221131.34461.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Air Zeke says: >I never got a hold of Scott but it seems that he has already updated >the information for Midwest...just click on the link on footbag.org's >main page. It's important to note the location change also. We will be back in Lions Park in Mt Prospect. This is the same site we have had so much fun at for the last 8 years. See ya there! Take care, Smoothie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 18 19:48:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16599 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:48:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24163 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:42:39 -0700 Received: from storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.59]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id D77E93099; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id EAA14420; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:13:18 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQQ6i5rwa/gEXRn7o+cLpcH9UPxSgIVALZrSw59dOjRoinQ8LXa0cqbgV+F From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:13:18 -0400 (EDT) To: jlopes69@hotmail.com (Jeff Lopes) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Osis Message-ID: <21197-39743BCE-9744@storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: <20000718053229.25556.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jeff Lopes wrote: >He came up with a name for a Pixie Osis which sounded cool, he called >it "Opoxis" (A-POX-IS). I like the name pixie osis for this move. It is more descriptive. Smoothie guy From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 18 19:48:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16610 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:48:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [216.86.64.33]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA24920 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:10:13 -0700 Received: from scratchyball.mcraig.org (matt@usr14-052.provide.net [216.86.71.180]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA09050 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:40:49 -0400 (EDT) From: matt craig To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Midwest updated... Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:34:31 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20000717221131.34461.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00071807372201.05612@scratchyball.mcraig.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org How about kicking somewhere in Grant Park? That's pretty easy to find and there's gotta be a lot of people out there watching on a Friday evening. This is pretty far from Mount Prospect, the tourney site, but it's easy to find even if it is not convenient. On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Alex Ibardaloza wrote: > W'sup, > > > I never got a hold of Scott but it seems that he has already updated the > information for Midwest...just click on the link on footbag.org's main page. > > It says that the Friday night shred has been cancelled but CIC is > currently trying to organize a shred session in the city somewhere. Keep in > mind that this is not an offical part of the tourney, were just trying to > get a jam together :) I hope to get more details about the location soon so > E-mail me or get the rest of my contact info from my members profile on > footbag.org. > > Later, > ZEKE > Chicago Inner Circle -- Let me see you do that with your left MC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 18 19:50:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16637 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:50:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f35.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.35]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA25411 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:30:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 54543 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jul 2000 12:00:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000718120031.54542.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 141.84.137.98 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:00:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.98] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] The Euro Masters 2000 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:00:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello list, Any of you who who didn't make it to Paris, you missed out. I have to hand it to Eric, the locations he chose were absolutely beautiful and well set up, if only he could have controlled the weather too... Friday was intermittently sunny, and then Saturday it started pouring. The intermediate qualifiers had to be moved into the shredding tent and some of the net matches put off to god awful hours of the morning (fortunatly I had already made the decision to quit net in favor of more shred). A concert scheduled for Saturday night also had to be cancelled and due to local changes there weren't a lot of spectators (better for me and my stage fright). Intermediate net was ruled by the Germans, including the doubles final, where both teams were not only German, but also both from FC Footstar Berlin. This led to a few bad jokes (all mine :)). And intermediate freestyle was (surprise, surprise) ruled by the Finns. Lon Smith, Alex Z., Jane J. and others (sorry, I'm realllly bad with names) showed up from N. America to tear up the place. Everyone, where ever you are, find Lon, the man is amazing. Noticeably absent was the freshly BAPtized Mika "the ice cream man" Koistinen, who apparently had to cancel after putting on 100 pounds since last worlds (poke poke) ;) Tu and Ahren showed up on the last day to spank the hell out of us meer mortals. After seeing Ahren hit in-spinning osis to blurry blender and start a run with 5 consecutive blurry whirls I had to go pack by battered ego in ice. Ahren, you have shown me a new level. The finals were a tad confusing, because Lon Smith and Alex Z. both had to leave shortly after qualifying (and Lon's routine was sick as hell, he qualified as first seed). Also, although this isn't really the forum to talk about it, in my opinion (and shared by quite a few others) the ranked competitor system failed. There were some fairly blatant judging errors and the final results were pretty iffy. A friend of mine is going to send me a tape of the finals, so more on this after I see the routines again. That all said if you haven't heard Ahren won, and there is no doubt that he totally deserved it. Justin Sexton is the Euro freestyle champ for the second year in a row. He hit a beautiful routine, in... net shoes, he managed to forget his lavers in Finland, sick. He also hauled home the all around trophy. I had a blast, gave probably my best performance ever, hit a few new tricks and met a lot of people. Hope some of you show up next year in Prague, it's going to rock. Props: The great organizer Eric Dargent, Steve G. who always manages to help out, Grisha for putting me up, Marc Inzinger for a sick finals routine, Justin for wining in net shoes, the 14 year old finn who took second in intermediate (sorry, what's his name?), Lon and Ahren for inspiration, Tu for his taste in music and everyone who showed up. Slops: The rain and the §$& ?&%# bus driver who took my backpack (containing my passport, phone, playing shoes and camera) out of the bus before I left and then called the border police to do ID checks. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 18 19:50:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16648 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:50:58 -0700 Received: from stone.ec.rockwell.com (firewall-user@stone.ec.rockwell.com [199.191.58.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA25688 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:41:11 -0700 Received: by stone.ec.rockwell.com; id HAA00224; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:05:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: stone.ec.rockwell.com: Processed from queue /var/spool/mqueue/check Received: from borg.switch.rockwell.com(131.198.119.64) by stone.ec.rockwell.com via smap (V5.5) id xma000123; Tue, 18 Jul 00 07:05:22 -0500 Received: from pcklokow (pcklokow [131.198.116.31]) by borg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA01991; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:11:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001001bff0b0$eadbd8d0$1f74c683@pcklokow.ec.rockwell.com> From: "Dan Klokow" To: "Alex Ibardaloza" , Subject: Re: [freestyle] Midwest updated... In-Reply-To: <20000717221131.34461.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:08:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Zeke wrote- > It says that the Friday night shred has been cancelled but CIC is >currently trying to organize a shred session in the city somewhere. Keep in >mind that this is not an offical part of the tourney, were just trying to >get a jam together :) OK! We have got a site set up for the jam on Friday. To all of you that have visited Chicago it should be fairly easy to find. CIC and others will be up at 400 N. Michigan Ave. That's just north of the Chicago River, right across the street from the Tribune Building. We should be getting up there about 3 or so. If anyone needs directions to the site please contact either Zeke or me. Zeke is a little more familiar with the downtown area so if you need public transportation info, he is your man. Here is our info: Dan Klokow - (708) 785-2530 (that's my cell phone.. i will have it on me all the time so please call if you get lost or need any further info.) Zeke - voice mail- (773) 628-4088 Also, if anyone is still looking for a place to stay for Friday night please e-mail me.. I have plenty of room at my place. I can't wait till this weekend!! I hope to see alot of new kickers :) later, Dan CIC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 18 19:53:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16673 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:53:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ux4.isu.edu (mta@ux4.isu.edu [134.50.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31717 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:23:00 -0700 Received: from isu.edu ([134.50.103.12]) by ux4.isu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA4752 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:54:03 -0600 Message-ID: <39747F26.51036056@isu.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:00:38 -0600 From: Bob Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: [freestyle] 2000 SE Idaho Footbag Championships lowdown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Freestylers, Several local and out of state shredders commenced this weekend in Pocatello for the 2000 Southeast Idaho Footbag Championships. I would like to give a special thanks to Paul Mestas, Daryl Genz, Sunny Freeman, and Jon Schneider who made the trip from Colorado; additionally, I want to thank Jim Pomey, Cameron Dowie, and Lukas Anderson for making the trip from Utah. The tournament was a great success. We ended up having 22 competitors from 4 different states. Each competitor received a tournament T, a 4-panel Paul Mestas sandbag, a certificate for a free smoothie, and a couple of other little goodies. The tournament even got a little write up in the Idaho State Journal. This paper is online, but the story has already been replaced by a newer one. Anyone who really wants to see it can email me personally, and I will email you the link when they put it in their archive section. Unfortunately, it isn't there yet. The break down for various events is as follows: Beginners Consecutives: (best consecutive string of kicks in 5-min time limit) 1) Ryan Burt (504) Idaho Falls, ID GO ADVANCED!!! 2) Eagan Heath (298) Idaho Falls, ID GO ADVANCED!!! 3) Cameron Dowie (81) Salt Lake City, UT 4) Jesse 'J-Dog' Wychules (80) Pocatello, ID Beginners 3-on-3 Team Consecs.: (Two tries for best run as a team) 1) The Potatoes (520) Eagan Heath Idaho Falls, ID Kelsey Duncan Idaho Falls, ID Ryan Burt Idaho Falls, ID 2) Funktabulous (37) Nick Hofeldt Pocatello, ID Wayne Hofeldt Pocatello, ID Jesse Wychules Pocatello, ID 3) Fingerbang (16) (apparent South Park fans) Sera White Pocatello, ID Kristin Gohl Pocatello, ID Mike Johnson Pocatello, ID Beginners Freestyle: 1) Cameron Dowie Salt Lake City, UT 2) Ryan Burt Idaho Falls, ID 3) Eagan Heath Idaho Falls, ID 4) Kelsey Duncan Idaho Falls, ID Advanced Consecutives: (standard 5-min timed consec rules) 1) Jon Schneider (604) Boulder, CO 2) Jim Penske (519) Rexburg, ID 3) Jim Pomey (510) Salt Lake City, UT 4) Spencer Behm (452) Evans, WA Advanced Freestyle: 1) Daryl Genz Westminster, CO 2) Jon Schneider Boulder, CO 3) Jim Penske Rexburg, ID 4) Luke Anderson Salt Lake City, UT Aside from the competition aspect of the tournament, the tournament in and of itself was just a lot of FUN. Footbag in Idaho got a little piece of recognition in the eye of the general public, and a lot of area shredders are totally inspired right now. With the exception of saying that I heard 15 year old Jim Penske hit his first barfly after being shown what one was THAT DAY, I really don't know too much of what was hit. I was just a little too busy running around. With that said, I'll leave move re-caps to Jim Penske, Jon Schneider, and whoever else is on this list that was there. All apologies for any mis-spellings. Later, Bob Green ISU Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 19 06:09:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18391 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:09:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20950 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:48:38 -0700 Received: (qmail 21754 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2000 03:19:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000719031917.21753.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000718120031.54542.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from [207.202.173.112] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:19:17 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:19:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Jones Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Euro Masters 2000 To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, Cool to see you write in Andrew! Andrew was tearing it up himself...He's all incognito in his stealth black shoes and pony tail. Then whamo...his legs start dexing all over the place. Andrew forgot to mention that there were lots of new women freestylers on the scene. there were about 9 swiss girls kicking on the side every day. Not to mention, Julia and Sabrina from Germany who competed and showed they are obviously both naturals at freestyle. Julia and Sabrina have only been kicking a year and already are very two-sided and smooth. Saw them hitting butterflies, mirages, legovers, toe stalls, clipper stalls. In fact, (Tobi, Ryan and Lon will vouch for this) when we first arrived at the tournament on Friday, there were more women kicking than men. Sam Conlon also showed up and was as smooth as ever. She and Steve executed a very graceful and technical doubles routine. I think Ahren and Tu got first and Steve and Sam placed second. I had to leave early with Lon and Alex though, so I dind't stay for all the final results. As Andrew mentioned, some were not satisfied with the judging decisions. I didn't judge during finals, but I know there were some stepped on toes after intermediate preliminaries. All I can say is that when I did judge, I judged as fairly as I could...as did the others that I judged with. Doing a simple ranking system is difficult when not all judges agree and there is no point value to go by. We took difficulty, linking, drops, presentation, variety(unique moves) and execution all into consideration. I was warming up during intermediate finals so I did not see all the routines and I left a third of the way through men's final, so I don't know what might not have been fair there. Steve Goldberg was present though, and as an experienced judge, I would think he would point something out if it was drastically wrong before it was announced. Jere (Linanmen??)is the name of the 14 year old kid Andrew mentioned. WATCH OUT for this kid! He is solid, smooth, and he doesn't drop much in his routines. A prodigy child. He even threw in a clean ripwalk to end his final routine. Nice! I did hear a few comments on the sidelines that people were upset because the Europeans may judge differently then North Americans. For example, big tricks even if without linking and with many drops should be ranked higher than a simple routine of toe stalls, mirages, butterflies and legovers with choreography to the music...rhythm and flow with way more linking. Some were unpleasantly surprised when a performance with lots of 4's was beat out by a simpler routine with smaller add tricks, more linking and fewer drops...not to mention use of floor space, positive attitude, etc... Several of us discussed this quite a bit, and the general consensus was that the judging system was not a poor one, it was that the judging system is new to some of the competitors...some of whom were competing for their first time. if anyone can relate, it would be me...I always end up putting something in my routine that I drop a million times on so my execution sucks... Anyway, I'm not taking sides...and as I said, I didn't see all of the final routines, so Andrew may have another story. I'm sure Steve will chirp in here somewhere when he gets a chance to email. Women's freestyle had a great turnout though. I'm psyched for World's 2000!!!! Met a lot of cool people and was amazed at the skill level of so many that I was meeting for the first time. A few of them are planning on attending World's 2001 :-D ! By the way, anyone know where that will be? Thanks Eric D. for the great tournament! See ya, Jane Andrew McCargar wrote: > Hello list, > > Any of you who who didn't make it to Paris, you missed out. I have to hand > it to Eric, the locations he chose were absolutely beautiful and well set > up, if only he could have controlled the weather too... [...] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 19 06:09:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18401 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:09:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f135.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.135]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23008 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:12:48 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:42:57 -0700 Received: from 24.226.208.194 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.226.208.194] From: "Kavin Thiffault" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] videos on the net Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:42:57 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2000 04:42:57.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF6F8520:01BFF13B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone, Other than Footbag Worldwide and Dallas Footbag Club, is there any websites with videos? Kavin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 19 08:58:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18949 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:58:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA25982 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:08:40 -0700 Received: (qmail 13329 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2000 06:39:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000719063917.13328.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.210.80] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:39:17 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] new move? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup, I think I may have invented a new move. Probably not. Anywayz, the other day I was skoolin the vortex's (both sides btw:) and I thought of it(hit and sealed it multiple times). clip> backspin> same in> same inside stall Basically a vortex bailed to an inside stall. Feels pretty neat. I dont wanna gank the naming rights if anyone else has hit it (which they probably have) But I think it should be called uuummmmmmm, Catastrophe Later, Jamez P.S. Cant wait to shred it up with the CIC (badass club in chicago) Sam Cloclough, Alexander Faber, Scott Davidson, and Greg Nelson this weekend! See you guys there! P.S.S If ANYONE could pick me up at the bus station downtown, that would be great. You can signal me by throwing/kicking a footbag around. Thanx [ he'll be arriving at 1:00 PM on Friday, July 21. ] [ -- your omniscient list moderator ] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 19 19:17:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20551 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:17:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f107.hotmail.com [209.185.131.170]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05649 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:30:08 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:00:17 -0700 Received: from 62.157.66.188 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.157.66.188] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] videos on the net Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:00:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2000 14:00:17.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAF575D0:01BFF189] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org im actually working on one. maybe it'll be possible to send me mpg's that i'll post fabian Kavin Thiffault wrote: >Other than Footbag Worldwide and Dallas Footbag Club, is there any websites >with videos? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 19 19:17:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20562 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:17:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f148.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09413 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:33:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 68681 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 2000 16:03:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000719160310.68680.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from 141.84.137.99 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:03:10 PDT X-Originating-IP: [141.84.137.99] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] videos on the net Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:03:10 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Kavin Thiffault asked: >Other than Footbag Worldwide and Dallas Footbag Club, is there >any websites with videos? Go to: http://www.footbagfreestyle.de/ and click on video, hopefully Sebastian should have up some video from the Euro Masters soon. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 19 21:54:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21061 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:54:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kone1 (kf67u2hel.dial.kolumbus.fi [193.229.45.67]) by nebula.fi (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA21192; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:38:58 +0300 Message-ID: <006d01bff1c2$0655f7f0$0100a8c0@kone1> From: "Juha Linnanen" To: , , References: <20000719031917.21753.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] The Euro Masters 2000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:43:41 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I get digest-mode list and that is why I can only reply for now, but I want to share my feelings too (hopefully someone cares!). Sorry for my really terrible english (if someone wondered why I didn't talk too much in tournament that is the reason :)). These were my first tournament outside of Finland and was really waiting it. We get thursday there and after play meeting we Finnish intermediate guys shredded with German guys and had a lot of fun. The night after that I got sick and that was why I couldn't shred like I do normally. I only tried to compete and something. With some power from pills I managed to get into intermediate final and I was happy with that. In the final day (next day) I woke up and I was shaking very heavily because I had so high fewer. I thought that maybe I shouldn't even try to get that final place (nice play btw.), but I dragged myself to there, tried to play, but my legs just didn't do what I wanted them to do and that was it. So I was 6th and I'm a little sad of that. The reason for that is that it really freaks me out that there I have my first chance to play with really pros that I am only heard of and show them what I'm practiced so hard and then I got some stupid flu and couldn't even get first legover without drop!! Sorry to everyone who saw me like that :) Andrew said: > Props: the 14 year old finn who took second in > intermediate (sorry, what's his name?), and Jane said: > Jere > (Linanmen??)is the name of the 14 year old kid Andrew mentioned. WATCH > OUT for this kid! He is solid, smooth, and he doesn't drop much in his > routines. A prodigy child. He even threw in a clean ripwalk to end his > final routine. Nice! And then we come to this. My brother Jere Linnanen (which I'm very proud of!) was playing really well and busting all new stuff to him and was really excited all of this. He got too into finals and managed to do routine with only one drop! For those who don't know him he is only 14 and plays _really_ smooth tiltless. I can't believe that guy who looked me 2 year back doing some of my first legovers just beated me and almost any else in europe in this level :) Props to you Jere! Jane said: > I was warming up during intermediate finals so I did not see all the > routines and I left a third of the way through men's final, so I don't > know what might not have been fair there. Steve Goldberg was present > though, and as an experienced judge, I would think he would point > something out if it was drastically wrong before it was announced. I didn't saw those either really well because someone tried to steal some money from us and there were some hassle going on. I really want to know what this was about? Who said there were something and what? > Met a lot of cool people and was amazed at the skill level of so many > that I was meeting for the first time. Same here. For me it was biggest thing to get to know new people and faces and see how good player there really are all over the world. > A few of them are planning on > attending World's 2001 :-D ! I try to get into this year worlds .. I only need some money.. :) > Thanks Eric D. for the great tournament! I want to thanks too! It was really nice tournament and Eric did great job. Thanks Eric! Thanks to all who were there. All people were really nice. Props to all pro freestyle players there (Ahren German, Tu Vu, Lon Smith, Alex, Sam and so on..) You really rock this world! .. Now I have feeling that I've already talked too much.. Juha Linnanen From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 19 22:49:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21283 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:49:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20788 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:59:17 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000719212955.WRMJ15431.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:29:55 -0700 Message-ID: <39761F02.2D4AAD1D@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:34:58 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Job's notation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello there. I was hoping someone could help me put a few moves into Job's notation. How about "swivel" and "twirl"? Any takers? There is no need to clutter the list with all of this, so please email me privately. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 20 20:29:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24562 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:29:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2903.mail.yahoo.com (web2903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.46]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA03460 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:14:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 26841 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2000 06:44:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20000720064457.26840.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.96.111.202] by web2903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:44:57 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:44:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Hans Freller Subject: [freestyle] stepping and blurry moves? To: Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org if i were to set a blurry same side butterfly wouldn't this just be a stepping butterfly could someone give a better understanding of the notation. When is a move a blurry move or a stepping move, i'm sort of confused. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 20 20:30:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24569 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:30:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6KAZWJ14759 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007b01bff236$7f0d5840$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: <20000719063917.13328.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] new move?...or not Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:37:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James wrote: > I think I may have invented a new move > clip> backspin> same in> same inside stall > > Basically a vortex bailed to an inside stall. > I know of many people, myself included, who have been hitting this for a while now so I am sorry to say that it is not a new move. Pretty much every single dex gyro or spinning trick has been hit....there are exceptions but they are very difficult. I've been skoolin' most of them for a year or so now. I finally hit one such single dex gyro move that eluded me for many months. Essentially it is a vortex with the inside out dex done outside in. I think it has some long name like gyro royale with cheese but i am pretty happy with reverse vortex . Props to Ahren, Lon, Ryan C., Tu, Jane, Alex, Steve G., and Toby for representing in Europe. Ahren is good at footbag. Peace out...ryan mulroney From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 20 20:31:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24586 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:31:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23038 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:54:55 -0700 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26830; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:25:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:25:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: James Risden cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] new move? In-Reply-To: <20000719063917.13328.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James wrote: > clip> backspin> same in> same inside stall > > Basically a vortex bailed to an inside stall. gyro pickup (inside delay); I like it more than the toe delay version, but it's a little harder to play out of. goes great into osis/blender... or inside-set symposium whirl! -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 20 21:29:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24790 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:29:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27699 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:20:16 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000720205054.PPR23360.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:50:54 -0700 Message-ID: <39776725.48764A55@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:55:01 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Questions Subject: Re: [freestyle] stepping and blurry moves? References: <20000720064457.26840.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hans Freller wrote: > > if i were to set a blurry same side butterfly wouldn't > this just be a stepping butterfly could someone give a > better understanding of the notation. When is a move a > blurry move or a stepping move, i'm sort of confused. There is no such thing as a "blurry" set. "blurry" is a term that simply means "stepping paradox". Think of blurry as a subset of stepping moves. No "stepping same side" moves are blurry, and *most* "stepping opposite side" moves are. For the notation fans... Stepping: clip > op in [dex] (plant) > whatever Blurry: clip > op in [dex] (plant) > op paradox dex > whatever Make sense? -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 21 00:08:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25324 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:08:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Will Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32405 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:43:33 -0700 Received: by EXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:14:09 -0400 Message-ID: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C192013CF@EXCH01> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Boast and www.footbag.org Cards Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:14:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All, Just wanted to boast about dialing my first paradox move. Paradox Mirage. I now see what it feels like, an "s" shaped path and major hip movement. Also thanks to Ken S. and "I can't rememeber his name"(Ken please help me remember) from NYC who helped me with my clippers that are now pretty steady on both sides. And for my osis which I really enjoy and get a shocked look from my friends. Also I just recieved my footbag buisness cards today which only took a week to come. :) See everyone at the worlds. I an really working on being there. Take it easy, Will Wells From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 21 17:07:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28131 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:07:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f185.hotmail.com [216.32.181.185]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26531 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:37:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:08:01 -0700 Received: from 142.177.198.14 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.198.14] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Facile Footbags ... Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:08:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2000 15:08:01.0918 (UTC) FILETIME=[769FB1E0:01BFF325] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, About a week ago I sent out and e-mail asking about the Super Sand and the footbag made of hemp, well, the general consensus was that they both weren't that great *thanks for the repsponses* So now I'm looking to buy a different bag, and for now I've got it narrowed down to two .. I'm going to try a facile bag this time around, and while I'm not going to shell out for a juice, I have decided I will either buy a tangent or a kanga facile ... I was wondering if anybody has any thoughts on either one of these, whether they are good or not, and which one is better ... Thanks guys .. Cole http://footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 21 17:10:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28153 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:10:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28150 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:10:23 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29298 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:05:55 -0700 Received: from [24.16.28.217] by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000721163629.ZDIL20342.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.28.217]> for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:36:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:36:27 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Facile Footbags ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I don't get it. Why does everyone keep asking over and over again what the right bag to get is when it's been known for years that the best bag is a facile 32-panel bag? Stop wasting everyone's time. Either get the proper equipment or give up playing this sport. You can't compromise if you're serious about being an advanced freestyler. Get the shoes, get the bag. Get with it. Steve At 3:08 PM +0000 7/21/00, Cole Hobson wrote: >Hello everyone, > >About a week ago I sent out and e-mail asking about the Super Sand >and the footbag made of hemp, well, the general consensus was that >they both weren't that great *thanks for the repsponses* So now I'm >looking to buy a different bag, and for now I've got it narrowed >down to two .. I'm going to try a facile bag this time around, and >while I'm not going to shell out for a juice, I have decided I will >either buy a tangent or a kanga facile ... I was wondering if >anybody has any thoughts on either one of these, whether they are >good or not, and which one is better ... Thanks guys .. > >Cole >http://footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 21 17:15:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28191 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:15:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f158.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.158]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA29314 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:06:47 -0700 Received: (qmail 5098 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 2000 16:36:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000721163655.5097.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.213.49 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:36:55 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.49] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: derric@dallasfootbag.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] stepping and blurry moves? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:36:55 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derric Scalf wrote: >There is no such thing as a "blurry" set. "blurry" is a term that >simply means "stepping paradox". ok...i get that... >Think of blurry as a subset of stepping moves. No "stepping same side" >moves are blurry, and *most* "stepping opposite side" moves are. For >the notation fans... little confusing... i know what blurry and stepping are... but people never cease to amaze/confuse me during explanations on this list :} I think the notation was the only thing hans understood on that one...i know its all i did... keep it easy...shred hard later on ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 24 19:56:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07036 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:56:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10986 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:26:24 -0700 Received: from gateway ([24.163.244.182]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FY700BEKLKQ2C@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:55:47 -0500 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] 2000 Midwestern Regionals To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <006301bff587$a2517260$b6f4a318@gateway.ce.mediaone.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This was a fun tournament. On Friday, since there was no pre-tournament shred, the CIC had organized one in downtown Chicago, just north of the river. It was awesome. We shredded for many hours under the towering commercial buildings. It was cool to look up at them (I never hang out in downtown LA so...). Anyway, I got to meet some of these Midwesterners that I've been hearing about. This kid Eric (yet another one) has the best fairy set that I've ever seen. He was sealing fairy ducking butterflies on Saturday and Sunday. James Risden is really amazing. He has a very smooth style and some killer moves. I won't talk about it though because I've got it on camera. And Zeke, man this guys is good. He was hitting flyers and ducking dexes all over the place. I even saw him seal a tobius. Anyway, As I said, it was a fun tournament. The location was a stage in a park and it was perfect. The stage provided a wind and sun free environment that was ideal for kicking as well as the ultimate anti-stage fright experience. It was elevated so, when you were doing your routine, you really stood out. I'd say if you could perform there, you could definitely perform on a concrete slab at a different tourney. One of the highlights of the weekend was on Sunday, when all of us saw GF Smoothie smash the osis record. He hit 306 consecutive alternating osiseseses. Greg was on fire that morning. And talk about stamina, after the 306 osises he hit some amazing strings. I got a few on tape. We also got to see Scott's worlds routine. I'm gonna keep my mouth shut. Alright, wrap it all up. It was a great weekend. I'm glad that I could make it. Thanks Scott for putting up with all the late people and still trying to hold it together. See you all at worlds, Sam Colclough (pronounced KO KLO) PS someone left a bag at the site. it's pretty nice. I think it is one of you Michigan guys. just drop me an e-mail and we'll get it sorted out. bye From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 24 19:56:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07041 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:56:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11432 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:40:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 19290 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2000 16:11:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000724161128.19289.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.168.248.1] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:11:28 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:11:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Jones Subject: [freestyle] Judging Clinics To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, I was emailing back and forth with Andrew McCargar and had an idea... There were some stepped on toes regarding judging at Europeans Championships. Part of the problem was that many competitors were not familiar with the judging system and what components are important for a routine to include. Not to mention, we only had a few certified judges that had been through the World's judging clinic (and not all of these judges were even competitors). It would be cool if we could get a group of people across the world to hold judging clinics outside of World's so other tournaments can have trained and qualified judging systems. This would also be cool because maybe we could eliminate having to hold a judging clinic one night at world's each year. Maybe we could eventually even have judges that aren't competitors this way. What do you guys think? I'm just brainstorming... See ya, Jane From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 25 06:24:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09091 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 06:24:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA19039 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:14:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 1087 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2000 19:45:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000724194514.1086.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <006301bff587$a2517260$b6f4a318@gateway.ce.mediaone.net> Received: from [205.168.248.1] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:45:14 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:45:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Jones Subject: Re: [freestyle] 2000 Midwestern Regionals To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just wanted to say... Sam wrote: > One of the highlights of the weekend was on > Sunday, when all of us saw GF Smoothie smash the > osis record. He hit 306 consecutive alternating > osiseseses. Greg was on fire that morning. And talk > about stamina, after the 306 osises he hit some > amazing strings. Sweet! Awesome! Fat! Right on!! You rock Greg!! 306 osises...now that's commendable! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 25 06:27:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09109 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 06:27:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31002 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:24:19 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id z.7c.8a5b7d2 (4204) for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7c.8a5b7d2.26ae4d50@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:54:24 EDT Subject: [freestyle] What is this? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey 'stylers, TOE> OPP O-I> OPP RAKE Who knows what this move is called? it's a toe-set reverse whirl to an opp rake. You spin a little with the whirl so your back is to the bag after the dex. Thanks Matt Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 25 06:38:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09157 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 06:38:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from 208.223.204.123 ([208.223.204.123]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04792 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:54:14 -0700 Received: from antisocial.com [208.223.204.123] by 208.223.204.123 (SMTPD32-6.00) id A6E65770074; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:34:30 -0500 Message-ID: <281452000722553430400@antisocial.com> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 4 X-EM-Registration: #01E0520310450300B900 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: My Own Email v4.00 alpha From: "sean diakiw" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] WTB: footbag Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:34:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, I was just wondering if anyone knows a good site that sells footbags that you dont need a credit card to order. I do not have one, so i am basically out of luck for buying :good: footbags. Or, is anyone selling any 32 panelled freestyle bags. thanks Sean From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 25 06:51:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09209 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 06:51:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09206 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 06:51:57 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06400 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:47:17 -0700 Received: from [24.16.28.217] ([24.16.28.170]) by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000725061751.PCZZ20342.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.28.217]> for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:17:51 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <281452000722553430400@antisocial.com> References: <281452000722553430400@antisocial.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:17:54 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] WTB: footbag Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:34 AM -0500 7/25/00, sean diakiw wrote: >I was just wondering if anyone knows a good site that sells footbags that >you dont need a credit card to order. I do not have one, so i am basically >out of luck for buying :good: footbags. Or, is anyone selling any 32 >panelled freestyle bags. http://worldfootbag.com/ Read their ordering information -- there's more than just online via credit card. You can call them and talk to a human and discuss ways of ordering if you need help. They are open regular business hours in Colorado. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 26 03:14:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12620 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 03:14:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07975 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:37:43 -0700 Received: from larsonic (ip176.chicago12.il.pub-ip.psi.net [38.27.219.176]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA08820 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001b01bff606$b135e840$74cdfea9@larsonic> From: "Robert Martin" To: References: <281452000722553430400@antisocial.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] WTB: footbag Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:05:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, I was wondering if anyone out there has the information I would need to get a hold of all the big foot bag makers out there, such as Mestas, Carol, Mel, those people. It would really be appreiactive. Thanks, Robert Martin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 26 03:14:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12627 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 03:14:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f191.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.191]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29609 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:32:47 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:01:44 -0700 Received: from 132.208.191.46 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [132.208.191.46] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] in-spinning pdx Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:01:43 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2000 18:01:44.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[6455B670:01BFF662] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, I was wondering, now that certain spinning moves can receive a paradox add, how does this apply to in-spinning moves? With most regular pdx moves, the pdx dex is executed with the set leg, while with most spinning pdx moves, the pdx dex is executed with the non-set leg. With in-spinning moves, does this mean the pdx dex is executed with the set leg? I think so, I was just wondering what other people think. See you all at worlds real soon! Ken CF Somolinos PS to everybody attending worlds: be prepared to be blown away by the montrealers. Sebastien duchesne is able to say things like: `I hit my first ps whirl out of blurriest,` while other people here like Marc Giard Lariviere is hitting stuff like blurry whirl to spinning dragon, and dragon-zoom sets. be afraid...be very afraid.... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 26 04:26:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13136 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:26:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14312 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:01:56 -0700 Received: from smegma.mindspring.com (user-2ivf6q5.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.155.69]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA16859 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.1.20000725230449.00b77780@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:29:52 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: [freestyle] Calling Austin and Boulder Shredders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org As I will be making separate trips to Austin (probably) and Boulder (definitely) in the coming weeks, I hereby call upon freestylers in both cities to contact me with names/phone#s/heights/weights of those who will likely be around and willing to kick (and/or consume mass quantities) during my visit. I would utilize the club listing contacts, but I know from experience that isn't the best way to reach the shredheads. I will only have a one-nighter in Austin, but it will likely be next week. I will be in Boulder for six days, so if I miss the Blades AGAIN on this second visit I will be rather upset. If you can't shred while I'm in town, at least tell me where the best Indian and Thai restaurants are. ;^) Respond privately, SVP. -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC Have footbag, will shred. http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 26 05:54:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13319 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:54:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16401 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:21:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 20200 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2000 04:52:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000726045218.20199.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <006301bff587$a2517260$b6f4a318@gateway.ce.mediaone.net> Received: from [63.16.83.78] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:52:18 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:52:18 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] 2000 Midwestern Regionals To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Sam Colclough wrote: > that I've been hearing about. This kid Eric (yet > another one) has the best fairy set that I've ever > seen. He was sealing fairy ducking butterflies > on Saturday and Sunday. James Risden is really > amazing. He has a very smooth style and some killer > moves. I won't talk about it though because I've got > it on camera. And Zeke, man this guys is good. He > was hitting flyers and ducking dexes all over the > place. I even saw him seal a tobius. Thanx for the kind words, Sam. But dont dare forget about....... Phil Summers and his symposium whirling swirl (thats a symposium whirling swirl, SYMPOSIUM). Alexander Faber and the symposium eggbeater sealed from both ends. This guy has been shreddin for 6 months. VERY GROSS! Dan Klokow and his symposium tomohawk. OUCH! Jon Nagala with the coolest routine ever, and also pdx flux. And last but not least, Sam Cloclough! Glad he could make it! I honestly could not pick out his weakside. Keep it up. Cant wait to see your video ,Dude ;) Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 26 05:56:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13331 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:56:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f8.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.8]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16898 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:38:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 92274 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jul 2000 05:08:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000726050839.92273.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from 205.188.209.202 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:08:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.209.202] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org, Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] in-spinning pdx Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:08:39 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org KeN Somolinos wrote: >PS to everybody attending worlds: be prepared to be blown away by the >montrealers. Sebastien duchesne is able to say things like: `I hit my first >ps whirl out of blurriest,` while other people here like Marc Giard >Lariviere is hitting stuff like blurry whirl to spinning dragon Go Seabass! R-O-C-K in the USA! ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 26 06:36:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13432 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 06:36:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailgate.novagate.net (IDENT:root@mailgate.novagate.net [205.138.138.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17928 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:14:58 -0700 Received: from novagate.net (TC2-X2-72.GrandHaven.novagate.net [208.21.100.72]) by mailgate.novagate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA13105 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397E7C03.5826CBA@novagate.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:49:57 -0400 From: ryan masuga Reply-To: masuga@novagate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] 2000 Midwestern Regionals References: <20000726045218.20199.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Risden wrote: > Phil Summers and his symposium whirling swirl (thats a > symposium whirling swirl, SYMPOSIUM). I was just watching the video my brother shot at Chicago and about a minute into it Phil turns toward the camera and hits a monstrous symposium whirling swirl. Couldn't have got a better shot of that crazy move. Also props to Jon for hitting all the "coins" in his routine - he gets my vote for best "musical score". Thanks to Scott D. for putting up with people arriving late, not volunteering to start music or time routines, etc. and for showing me how low the set for mobius is... ryan masuga 3rd Coast Footbag Dept. west michigan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 26 18:29:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15432 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:29:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01513 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:29:12 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna78.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.89]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA34580 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:49:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000726093746.00ae4900@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:49:23 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Midwest Regionals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo yo, all. I have a little to add to everyone else's comments on Midwest. First off, Scott Davidson is just an amazing freestyler, which I'm sure you all know. He busted blurry whirl to food processor on Sunday afternoon. Has anyone ever seen him do his hooping and threading thing with his hands while he kicks? It's a most impressive display of control: he actually sets the bag either up through his linked arms or back down through them while pulling off moves like butterfly and osis. . .completely smooth. Greg Nelson is. . .well. . .Greg Nelson. Terribly cool guy, and an amazing freestlyler (GF stands for godfather, right? ). Jamez Risden is absolutely disgusting. . .this kid's been in the sport for no time at all, and he was pulling blurry whirl like it was nothing during his open routine. In fact. . .he more or less went up in front of everybody and shredded guiltless for 2 minutes as a routine. Another guy, Dan (I'm sorry dude, I forget your last name) from Chicago's Inner Circle hit symposium tomahawk (ducking PS whirl) this weekend. Ryan Masuga has an amazingly powerful style, and I saw him hitting things like swirl > ripwalk > dyno. He also came mighty close a bunch of times to ripped warrior. And I don't think anyone mentioned that Eric Reile hit fairy ducking butterfly (and butterflier) this weekend. The state of Illinois has an amazing freestyle showing, and I'm eager to see where guys on the upper echelon like Ryan, Dan, Zeke, Jamez, John, and Phillip (and other guys that I'm forgetting, my bad) take this sport. Keep up the ill shred guys. It was a pleasure kicking with you. Alex (Integer, of the Penn State Trio) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 26 18:37:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15469 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:37:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15466 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:37:24 -0700 Received: from fep2.excitehome.net (fep2.excitehome.net [24.0.26.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05699 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:42:55 -0700 Received: from [24.16.28.217] ([24.16.28.170]) by fep2.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000726180313.WZXT15061.fep2.excitehome.net@[24.16.28.217]> for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:03:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000726093746.00ae4900@email.psu.edu> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000726093746.00ae4900@email.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:03:19 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Midwest Regionals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 9:49 AM -0500 7/26/00, Alexander Faber wrote: >blurry whirl to food processor...blurry whirl...symposium >tomahawk...swirl > ripwalk > dyno...ripped warrior...fairy ducking >butterfly... All good. But how was the freestyle? Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 27 00:40:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17590 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:40:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f8.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.8]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA12868 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:57:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 34546 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jul 2000 22:17:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20000726221712.34545.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 64.10.157.44 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:17:12 PDT X-Originating-IP: [64.10.157.44] From: "Gergo Csallo" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Surface Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:17:12 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey baggers! On what kind of indoor and outdoor surfaces do you love to play?(Freestyle only, or dear Brian, the MOD won't let it post :) Surfaces I played on are: INDOOR: Carpet (great), Tile (not bad), Wooden (great), PVC (bad) OUTDOOR: Concrete (good), Gravel (BAD!!!), Grass (great) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 27 00:53:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17632 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:53:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17629 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:53:20 -0700 Received: from adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.123.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16615 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:58:50 -0700 Received: from bfk by adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13HbOK-0001aI-00; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:19:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:19:12 -0700 From: "Brian F. Kimball" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Surface Message-ID: <20000726171912.I5734@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> Mail-Followup-To: freestyle@footbag.org References: <20000726221712.34545.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000726221712.34545.qmail@hotmail.com>; from rebelkid_eh@hotmail.com on Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 12:17:12AM +0200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 12:17:12AM +0200, Gergo Csallo wrote: > On what kind of indoor and outdoor surfaces do you love to play?(Freestyle > only, or dear Brian, the MOD won't let it post :) I'd like to see you explain why I should let NET stuff on the FREESTYLE list. :) brian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 27 03:11:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18008 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 03:11:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18434 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:00:08 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:19:05 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFF736.21819BA0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:17:25 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFF736.21819BA0@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] in-spinning pdx Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:17:23 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ken S. wrote... >With in-spinning moves, does this mean the pdx dex is executed with the set >leg? Correct... Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 27 15:28:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19788 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:28:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f252.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10946 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:15:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:15:10 -0700 Received: from 128.206.120.240 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: ewulff@jsishipping.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] in-spinning pdx Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:15:10 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2000 14:15:10.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[12EF2360:01BFF7D5] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric Wulff wrote: > Ken S. wrote... > > >With in-spinning moves, does this mean the pdx dex is executed with the set > >leg? > >Correct... > >Eric Curiosity... Has anyone ever hit in-spinning Marius? Or on that note, ANY move, other than a mirage, utilizing this in-spinning pdx concept? Later, Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 27 17:35:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20550 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:35:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20547 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:35:31 -0700 Received: from fep2.excitehome.net (fep2.excitehome.net [24.0.26.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14294 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:01:34 -0700 Received: from [24.16.28.111] ([24.16.28.170]) by fep2.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000727170116.RNL15061.fep2.excitehome.net@[24.16.28.111]> for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:01:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:00:57 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Pay for Worlds registration on-line Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Freestylers, If you are going to Worlds, have a credit card, and are planning to register (or have already registered online), please do me a huge favor: Please help me give my online credit card payment system some exercise, before I release it to the larger footbag.org audience later today or tomorrow. (So, the sooner you can try it, the better.) Simply go to http://www.footbag.org/registration/register?tid=941418343 and log in if it asks you to. If you have already registered online, just scroll to the bottom and hit the "continue with registration" button. Then, verify that all the information is right, and click the "confirm registration" button. At that point, click "pay with credit card" and follow the directions. REMEMBER: registration for Worlds is *not* guaranteed unless you pay the fee by the registration deadline of August 7th (in 10 days). If you want, you may mail in your payment (directions are on the screen if you opt out of credit-card payment). So, this is as good a time as any to finalize your registration and avoid the $10 late charge. Thanks! Steve P.S. Just for clarification, this is for real -- when you register and pay with your credit card, you *will* be registered and your card will be charged within 3 days or so. You'll be done, and the next thing you'll need to do is show up at Worlds! I just need people to exercise my system to make sure there are no major issues before I announce it to all of footbag.org users. Thanks again. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 28 01:45:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22578 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:45:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA13029 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:54:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 7730 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2000 15:54:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000727155413.7729.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [205.168.248.1] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:54:13 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:54:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Jones Subject: Re: [freestyle] in-spinning pdx To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Okay, so you're saying the trick becomes pdx if the inspinning first dex is with the setting leg... this isn't considered an inward-gyro or something, eh? Is there such a thing? I can see how that would be just by the way it feels (would feel ;-) ) Saw Lon hitting marius in Paris, I bet he'd be one who could hit this in-spinning if he hasn't already. Adios, Jane --- Ian Dubman wrote: > Eric Wulff wrote: > > > Ken S. wrote... > > > > >With in-spinning moves, does this mean the pdx > dex is executed with the set > > >leg? > > > >Correct... > > > >Eric > > > Curiosity... Has anyone ever hit in-spinning > Marius? Or on that note, ANY > move, other than a mirage, utilizing this > in-spinning pdx concept? > Later, > Ian D. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 28 01:46:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22589 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:46:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21848 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:29:58 -0700 Received: (qmail 27648 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jul 2000 22:29:37 -0000 Received: from blndi5-212-144-128-085.arcor-ip.net (HELO quarktasche) (212.144.128.85) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 27 Jul 2000 22:29:37 -0000 Message-ID: <000701bff81a$146896a0$558090d4@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: Subject: [freestyle] Shred Videos Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:29:06 +0200 Organization: Schmidt Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Good morning list, I could not find anything about it in the archives (maybe because I did not understand the searching form), so you are the people to tell me: What is the newest and best shred video and where can I get it? (Do not tell me "Raw Shred at FootMart"! I already know it.....) So long, keep shredding, Matthias................ _____________________________________ "Der reißende Fluss wird gewalttätig genannt, aber das Ufer, das ihn einengt, nennt keiner gewalttätig." _____________________________________ www.footbagfreestyle.de/videos/shreds/em2000/matth01n.mpg www.parlament-berlin.de/wgr From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 28 01:47:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22607 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:47:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23280 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:38:44 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000727233831.QAQ25483.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:38:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3980C934.AB405462@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:43:48 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] names and stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok. Here are some things that I want to run by the list before they become "official". If you have any problems, questions, comments, suggestions or whatever, please let me know via private email so we won't clutter the freestyle list. -- Concepts -- Reverse whirl can *never* be paradox. It can, however, be symposium. Butterfly can *never* be paradox; nor can it be symposium. If a move can be done paradox, it can be done spinning paradox. (drifter, mirage, *whirl*, etc.) -- Names -- Twist: reverse whirling xbdy rake Opoxis: pixe opposite side osis Maverick: pixie same side osis Barflake: barfly ending in xbdy rake Swifter: drifter swirl Schmoe: stepping same side legover (or is it pickup?) Jani walker: barraging opposite side butterfly (used to be called 'flurriest') Vertigo: ducking paradox drifter I didn't come up with any of these names, so if you don't like them, let me know. You won't hurt my feelings. I do have one request... if you say that you don't like a name, suggest another name. Easy enough, right? Please note that these names are not yet official. I could be wrong on them - that is why I'm posting this to the list. Once things get finalized, these moves will be added to the move list on footbag.org which is always updated and correct :) All "official" names are on that list. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 28 01:55:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22722 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:55:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25763 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:18:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 77980 invoked by alias); 28 Jul 2000 01:17:14 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 76924 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jul 2000 01:16:56 -0000 Received: from wdialup181.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.160.142.181) by dnvrpop2.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 2000 01:16:56 -0000 Message-ID: <3980DEC0.570452EA@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:15:44 -0600 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Move Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org First of all... I hit smear today for the first time. I'll be cool soon at this rate. I also hit a sort of paradox around the world type of move. What is this move: Clip > Same out [dex] > Same toe [del] M@ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 28 04:49:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23475 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:49:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail-dns1-nj.dialogic.com (mail-dns1-nj.dialogic.com [146.152.228.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26629 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:58:46 -0700 Received: from mail4.dialogic.com ([146.152.6.40]) by mail-dns1-nj.dialogic.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: dialogic.m4,v 1.3 2000/05/05 13:56:23 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id CAA04766 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 02:01:47 GMT Received: from exchange3nj.dialogic.com (mailnj.dialogic.com [146.152.3.18]) by mail4.dialogic.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01681 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mailnj.dialogic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:58:31 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3980DEC0.570452EA@uswest.net> From: "Coventry, Damian" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Question Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:02:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Wafaie wrote: > around the world type of move. What is this move: > > Clip > Same out [dex] > Same toe [del] > > M@ i'd say that it's a leg over. it's not paradox because the same foot that sets it catches it, someone will jump in and correct me if i'm wrong i'm sure ;) Damian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 28 04:54:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23506 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:54:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gigi.excite.com (gigi.excite.com [199.172.152.110]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28670 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:45:46 -0700 Received: from dotty.excite.com ([199.172.152.205]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000728025830.COKC835.gigi.excite.com@dotty.excite.com> for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:58:30 -0700 Message-ID: <27629675.964753110599.JavaMail.imail@dotty.excite.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:58:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Windsen Pan To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] atomic moves and stuff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 205.188.199.23 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey guys, its been nearly a month since i really shredded (the austin shred was the last time i kicked hard) so i decided to kick today. it was a pretty bad ass day. i've sealed atom smasher, leggbeater, and almost scrambled eggbeater on my strong side...getting there on my weakside. while i working on these moves, i realized that atom smasher and scrambled eggbeater are probably the hardest 3's out there;). anyways, i was wondering what are some cool atomic moves you guys have hit. i went for this and almost hit it: toe>op out>op in>op out>op clip. sorta like an atomic da da i guess. so what other phat atomic moves have been hit? thanks windsen "i'm gonna hit more atomic stuff" pan the S.A.C.K www.safreestyle.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jul 28 17:53:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26096 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:53:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29937 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:08:54 -0700 Received: from larsonic (ip192.chicago38.il.pub-ip.psi.net [38.33.46.192]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA23402 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000d01bff851$724dbd40$ad4ffea9@larsonic> From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: [freestyle] Shorts Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:05:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was just gonna ask the list, what brand shorts do you prefer? I used to shred in my gym shorts till i got my hands on a pair of Puma and Adidas shorts. I like the Adidas alot because they are 100% Nylon, so they pretty much never absorb anything. Well that's my two cents, Robert Martin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 29 06:39:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28428 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 06:39:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f74.hotmail.com [216.32.181.74]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25223 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:01:38 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:00:55 -0700 Received: from 165.154.200.117 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.154.200.117] From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Question Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:00:55 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2000 04:00:55.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[9898E360:01BFF911] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All, >Matt Wafaie wrote: > > > around the world type of move. What is this move: > > > > Clip > Same out [dex] > Same toe [del] > > > > M@ Which lured Damian Coventry to post: >i'd say that it's a leg over. it's not paradox because >the same foot that sets it catches it. Well, Damian is right. It's a leg-over or a fairy-direction around the world but it is not pdx because the dex is done from out-to-in. Pdx dexes are always in-to-out. Peace, The Mouse (who hopes he's not wrong) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 31 05:58:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA01468 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:58:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05028 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:08:36 -0700 Received: from [128.104.48.195] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id MAA80340 (8.9.1/50); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:08:22 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000729120333.00756efc@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:03:33 -0500 To: "Mickey Mayer" , freestyle@footbag.org From: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Question In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The Mouse wrote: > >Well, Damian is right. It's a leg-over or a fairy-direction around the world >but it is not pdx because the dex is done from out-to-in. Pdx dexes are >always in-to-out. > Sorry to intrude here Mouse, but this is going out to not just you but all newbie stylers on the list (myself included). Please only post when you are sure that what you are saying is correct. It not only really annoys those who do know the facts, but it also confuses other freestylers (especially beginners). Paradox moves CAN be composed of either out-in or in-out dexterities. Examples: blizzard, paradox eggbeater, paradox flux (aeon flux), paradox atom smasher, paradox legbeater, etc., etc.... Please read the tutorials and faqs regarding many of the concepts such as paradox. They are all posted on footbag.org. Anyway, sorry to sound as if I am bashing you Mickey (nothing personnal - we all make mistakes), but I find it really aggrivating (and I am sure others do as well) when information regarding move names, concepts, notation, etc. is blatantly wrong. So please folks, post when you are sure that you know what you are talking about. Matt Kain - Madison Footbag From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 31 06:00:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01481 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:00:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f60.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11649 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:08:49 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:08:02 -0700 Received: from 205.188.196.51 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.196.51] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: mickey_mayer@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Question Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:08:02 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2000 23:08:02.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[D85EC3C0:01BFF9B1] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mickey Mayer wrote: >Well, Damian is right. It's a leg-over or a fairy-direction around the world >but it is not pdx because the dex is done from out-to-in. Pdx dexes are >always in-to-out. > >Peace, >The Mouse (who hopes he's not wrong) If so every reverse-miraging move from a set from cross-body that has been posted is not pdx....including 'p.s. rev. mirage' hit by josh penney at the smurf which was posted by a very reputable shredder a little while back. (the "p" standing for non other than yours truly of course, paradox)... chew on that and hit me back with some brief responses...i get tired of reading dissertations on the concept of paradox... later on ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 31 06:01:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01494 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:01:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f184.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.184]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05512 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:37:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:37:10 -0700 Received: from 128.206.120.240 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Question Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:37:10 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2000 18:37:10.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C1A2BA0:01BFFA55] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mickey Mayer wrote: >Which lured Damian Coventry to post: > >>i'd say that it's a leg over. it's not paradox because >>the same foot that sets it catches it. > >Well, Damian is right. It's a leg-over or a fairy-direction around the world >but it is not pdx because the dex is done from out-to-in. Pdx dexes are >always in-to-out. > >Peace, >The Mouse (who hopes he's not wrong) Sorry to inform you dude, but you are wrong this time. Pdx Legbeater, pdx egg beater, blizzard, pdx. rev. drifter, illusion, bedwetter... (the list goes on and on...) ...all contain pdx out-to-in dexes. Dex direction makes no difference in this instance. Later Ian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 31 06:11:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01536 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:11:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4504.mail.yahoo.com (web4504.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA27313 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:16:44 -0700 Message-ID: <20000729061601.2352.qmail@web4504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.220.167.189] by web4504.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:16:01 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:16:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Edwin Tichenor Subject: [freestyle] thanks to shreddin...soccer To: footbag free MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org footbag has increased my footskills for soccer tremendously, which in my case is really nice seeing as how i am a goalkeeper. if you want to see if you have really good footskills try doing a simple around the world with a soccer ball. now that is tuff!! another ability that continuous shredding has given me for my soccer game is ups. i've noticed that footbag is almost as good, if not as good, as plyometrics. the leg strength that i have now from shredding and soccer combined is incredible and the ditribution part of my soccer game has increased big time. my drop-kick is now 82 yards! my goal-kick 67. this is longer than some pros can punt and is kind of exciting because i've been playing for so long and have always wanted this kind of range. thank you footbag. keep shreddin win tich product of the east coast From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 31 20:10:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04069 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:10:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Will Wells Received: from symail.syda.org (hidden-user@symail.syda.org [208.130.6.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04339 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:49:31 -0700 Received: by EXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:49:25 -0400 Message-ID: <9DBED19EBBD8D311AA70009027786C192013EC@EXCH01> In-Reply-To: <20000729061601.2352.qmail@web4504.mail.yahoo.com> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] thanks to shreddin...soccer Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:49:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Edwin Wrote: >footbag has increased my footskills for soccer >tremendously, I totally agree. From the year I have spent playing footbag I have developed my foot coordination so much. I have a lot more foot skills now when I play soccer. I tend to do a lot of crossing over... Perhaps from Clippers and Butterflies... >another ability that continuous shredding has given me >for my soccer game is ups. i've noticed that footbag >is almost as good, if not as good, as plyometrics. >the leg strength that i have now from shredding and >soccer combined is incredible and the ditribution part >of my soccer game has increased big time. my First of all, what does plyometrics mean. I could find out. Second, I totally agree that shreddin and soccer combined realy increases your leg strentgh. One thing that soccer also gives back is endurance. Live each moment, Will Wells From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 31 20:11:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04079 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:11:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f53.hotmail.com [209.185.131.116]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03968 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:33:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:32:35 -0700 Received: from 62.226.108.162 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [62.226.108.162] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] thanks to shreddin...soccer Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:32:35 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000729061601.2352.qmail@web4504.mail.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2000 12:32:35.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[67C203D0:01BFFAEB] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Edwin Tichenor wrote: >if you want to see if you have really good footskills try doing a simple around >the world with a soccer ball. now that is tuff!! not really, butterfly is easy, too fabianez