From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 1 17:52:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07464 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:52:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20439 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:20:29 -0700 Received: from [198.202.67.188] (198.202.67.188) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 1 Aug 2000 08:21:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:18:10 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: [freestyle] Torch-r-Rack clarification Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sunil wrote: >Stepping superfly has been dubbed: Torch-r Rack did something get lost in the translation to the move list ? This looks like a stepping shaft. name:Torch-r Rack adds:6 tech:CLIP > OP IN [DEX] (plant) > (no plant while) SAME OUT [BOD][DEX] > SAME OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] wordy:A steping symposium double over down. dex:3 catch:CLIP spin:0 bod:1 pdx:0 side:SAME ?, Cameron From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 1 18:03:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07548 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:03:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from urban.iinet.net.au (urban.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.231]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05835 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:31:23 -0700 Received: from muzak.iinet.net.au (muzak.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.237]) by urban.iinet.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24139 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:31:06 +0800 Received: from [203.59.62.179] (reggae-01-179.nv.iinet.net.au [203.59.62.179]) by muzak.iinet.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01494 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:31:00 +0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 15:27:58 +0800 Subject: Re: [freestyle] thanks to shreddin...soccer From: "Sean D'Arcy" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000729061601.2352.qmail@web4504.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id IAA05958 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Edwin Tichenor wrote: > footbag has increased my footskills for soccer > tremendously, which in my case is really nice seeing > as how i am a goalkeeper. if you want to see if you > have really good footskills try doing a simple around > the world with a soccer ball. now that is tuff!! This is my first post to the list. I¹ve been on the list since Christmas I actually teach people how to do tricks with a soccer ball in Australia. I would be interested to know how many of you juggle a soccer ball as well as a footbag and the differences you found. I once had a brief opportunity to juggle with a footbag and found it very strange and to be honest I was hopeless. With a soccer ball I¹m completely comfortable. Not to brag but to prove my credentials only six weeks ago I juggled a soccer ball (doing tricks) before a crowd of 43,000 at the Australian National Soccer playoffs in Perth,Western Australia. The most important thing (among many) I have learned from the footbag site is to do the tricks on both sides (weak & strong). Before I visited this site I never really thought about the fact that I only do the majority of tricks with my stronger foot. I¹ve spent the last 6 months or so trying to build up my weak side. I still have a long way to go but it has opened up my range hugely. One more thing before I go. I live in Australia but I was born in England. Since I saw the site and the videos on it. I have shown the site to my friends, family & anyone who I know who likes soccer. There has been an amazing negative response from them. I think it is brilliant and truely am mightily impressed with the level of skill and coordination shown. But for some reason the soccer fans I have shown it to dismiss it simply by saying that is impossible with a soccer ball. Has anyone else had this problem with soccer fans or is it just the English soccer fans. Sean (juggles the wrong size ball) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 1 18:40:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07809 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:40:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [216.86.64.33]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25985 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:03:05 -0700 Received: from provide.net (matt@usr03-083.provide.net [216.86.66.83]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21530 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39870FEE.C0932439@provide.net> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:59:10 -0400 From: matt craig Organization: TheMan, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] thanks to shreddin...soccer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sean D'Arcy wrote: > I > would be interested to know how many of you juggle a soccer ball as well as > a footbag and the differences you found. I once had a brief opportunity to > juggle with a footbag and found it very strange and to be honest I was > hopeless. "Juggle" a footbag? Forgive my lack of internationalization but to me, an American, "juggle" means more than one at a time People who can do two or more footbags at once are few and far between (among the general population, which is not necessarily represented by this list). I can't and have no advice on that. Now if you mean kicking one bag at a time, the things I have noticed about soccer players with little footbag experience is the stiffness of their feet, the part that makes contact witht the bag (both especially on a toe kick) and the amount of force they apply. The soccer players I kicked with in Germany consistently kicked the bag twenty feet out of the circle. The words "toe kick" are partly right and partly wrong. Hit the bag with the top (not the front) of the "toe", but don't kick it hard, just "flick" at it. It seems that when someone "kicks" a soccer ball with their toe they are really using the top of the foot and the shin at the same time. On inside and outside kicks, you are actually kicking the bag, not too hard, and you need to make sure the inside/outside surface of your foot is horizontal when you kick it. Hey, Steve, is it worth having some videos of basic kicks on the site for people who want to learn but have no access to any other kickers at all? > The most important thing (among many) I have learned from the footbag site > is to do the tricks on both sides (weak & strong). Learn EVERYTHING on both sides. What's the point of doing a triple around the world if you can only do it on the right, you are only half a styler? -- Let me see you do that with your left MC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 2 03:12:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09670 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:12:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06986 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:36:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA80300 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:36:09 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:36:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunil Subhash Jani cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Torch-r-Rack clarification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Cameron Kennedy wrote: > Sunil wrote: > >Stepping superfly has been dubbed: Torch-r Rack > > did something get lost in the translation to the move list ? > This looks like a stepping shaft. > > name:Torch-r Rack > tech:CLIP > OP IN [DEX] (plant) > (no plant while) SAME OUT [BOD][DEX] > > SAME OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] > wordy:A steping symposium double over down. Cameron, you are correct. Torch-r Rack is clip > op in > (no plant while) op out > same out > op clip wordy: a stepping symposium barfly Although a stepping Shaft would sure be one BAD MOTHERFU... "shut you mouth"... hey man, I'm just talking about stepping shaft. Ahren is good at footbag. -Sunil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 2 03:13:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09680 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:13:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f294.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.169]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA30314 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:48:28 -0700 Received: (qmail 724 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2000 19:48:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000801194816.723.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 172.147.252.46 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:48:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [172.147.252.46] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] need a place to stay for worlds Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:48:16 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up all, I hope youre all getting warmed up for worlds! I will be coming from Chicago via Seattle and was wondering if i could get a ride to vancouver from my sisters house on either saturday, sunday or monday the 14th, its 1/2 way between seattle and vancouver and off of I 5. Also i would appreciate it if anybody with floorspace for cash would respond as i havent made plans for lodging yet. Thanks in advance, Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 2 03:18:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09693 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:18:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26511 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:19:49 -0700 Received: from patti.excite.com ([199.172.148.159]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000801181820.DNEA22124.kuku.excite.com@patti.excite.com> for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:18:20 -0700 Message-ID: <2255021.965153900086.JavaMail.imail@patti.excite.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Wulff Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] trivia style #9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.254.24.241 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What it is y'll!? Welcome to another edition of Trivia Style. Ironman here once again with results and questions. Regarding the answers to #8, I gave a few of you 1 add if you guessed "shooting butterfly" for #2 as that is the move Tuan hit. But, I was looking for the move which Ahren hit and you will soon find out. Welcome the 3 new folks on the score board. I also want to give a warm congrats to "The Monster" who has brought himself up from the depths of negativity and now has a chance to finish with a positive add total. :) Okay, current results are below and here are Answers to 8... >1. For 3 adds... Who is the first person to go dropless with >over 300 adds in a singles routine? a. "Rippin" Rick Reese b. Peter "The Executioner" Irish c. Scott "The High Enlightener" Davidson d. Ryan "the Regulator" Mulroney e. Kenny "the Enforcer" Shults f. Nobody answer... d. Ryan "the Regulator" Mulroney (99 Western Regional Finals) >2. For 2 adds.... In 95' or 96'(sorry I forget which) Tuan >"Disco Ninja" Vu became the first to hit a 6 add move in a >singles routine at a major tournament. It wasn't until the 2000 >Western Regionals that someone else did this again. This time >it was the "Torch"... Ahren Gehrman. What move did he hit >SHARP, IN A COMBO and made it look eeaaasy? a. Big Apple(symposium mobius) b. Blurry Torque(stepping paradox torque) c. In-Spinning Mobius d. Shooting Butterfly answer... b. Blurry Torque(stepping paradox torque) >3. For 3 adds, Old schoolers must answer fully... New schoolers >can give me one or the other... >a. Describe the picture or logo which appears on the signature >Big Add Posse T-Shirt. It is copy of the warning sign you would see on a lawn mower with a picture of a hand getting sliced by a blade. Also, the lwanmover blade has been replaced by a freestyle blade... shoed & laced correctly. >b. What is the slogan or phrase on the shirt? answer... "Stand Clear of the Blades" TRIVIA STYLE #9... Answers could be coming as early as this this Saturday. We will be having the final episode before Worlds so stay tuned... 1. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old... Who is the self proclaimed(and worthy) "Father of Freestyle"? a. Jack Schoolcraft b. Rick Reese c. Bruce Guettich d. Neil Young e. Jim Caveney 2. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old... In the 1990's only 2 people have won a professional world championship in a net event and also a freestyle event. Kenny Shults of course is one. Who is the other? 3. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old... Before the Rod Laver, what was the "shoe of choice" for the cutting edge shredders? See ya soon... perhaps a different BAP time but the same BAP channel Ironman current standings... Since #8 Aaron Edggerton - 7 Adrian Dick - 14 Alex Ibardaloza - 6 Andrew McCarger - 10 Antti Lehikoinen - 1 Becca - 53 Bob Green - 24 Brad Kaplin - 28 Bryan Fournier - 2 Corey Current - 12 Danny Cardonne - 4 Dave Reid - 7 Dennis Lee - 3 Derric Schroeder - 4 Eli Piltz - *** +2 Eric "Wicked" Windsor - 8 Ernest Crvch - 5 GF Smoothie - 54 Ian Dubman - 23 James Roberts - 9 Jeremiah J. Riley - 6 Jon Schneider - 55 Ken "Ceiling Fan" Semolinos - 42 Mickey Mayer - 5 Phillip Summers - 3 Sam Colchough - 5 Scott "The Enlightener" Davidson - 11 Sebastian Duchesne - 10 Shredstein - 7 Stan Sagalovskiy - 8 Tina Lewis - 12 Tuan Vu - 7 Tu Vu - 6 Ville Laakso - 10 Vince Bradley - 24 Yacine - 9 _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 2 17:04:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12602 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:04:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2906.mail.yahoo.com (web2906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.49]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA23756 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:38:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 7463 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2000 08:37:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000802083751.7462.qmail@web2906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.97.2.246] by web2906.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 01:37:51 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:37:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Hans Freller Subject: [freestyle] stomping ? help To: Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Heres a question that has been bothering me for a while it has to do with the understanding of the stomping concept. I was watching tales of the BAP the other day and saw a crew member pull of a stomping double leg over, I started thinking of moves that I could incorporate with this concept. If I was to do a stomping move how would I go about it as I have no idea on how to start is this the same as any other concept like a pixie move where I do a quick pixie then the required move, ie: pixie set > into butterfly = pixie butterfly. Now heres where I struggle to understand, The idea of the stomping concept is to plant both feet before the required move, so if I were to plant both of my feet before a butterfly that would make it a stomping butterfly according to the stomping concept that is recorded on the move concept page on the footbag.org webpage but I know that this is wrong. So could someone skool me in the knowledge of the stomping concept so I can sleep. P.S Kahn and myself were playing with the idea (stomping)and I managed to hit this move but I don’t know what it is or even if it is a move, so could someone share with me as to what this move might be it went a little like this according to jobs notation : Toe> stomp >same in(dex)> op out(dex)> op clip (xbd del) Later Hanz (solo) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 2 17:03:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12597 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:03:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA14109 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:50:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 10224 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2000 04:49:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000802044954.10223.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [63.14.191.236] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:49:54 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:49:54 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Torch-r-Rack clarification To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sunil wrote: > Although a stepping Shaft would sure be one BAD > MOTHERFU... "shut you mouth"... hey man, I'm just > talking about stepping shaft. AAAhHH! I thought torch-r rack was stepping shaft! I also thought Scott Davidson hit stepping op superfly a looooong time ago and named it "super duper fly"... Hmmmmm... Am I all mixed up? Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 2 17:04:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12620 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:04:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Tom Kotsakos Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27411 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 02:53:09 -0700 Received: from Honycherub@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id z.c1.5a7f54c (4242) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:52:25 EDT Subject: [freestyle] triple dexes To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This question is similar to one posted a little while back. Someone once asked what double dex moves are good to start with. I'm wondering what the first triple dex moves some of you guys hit were. Tom Kotsakos Chicago Inner Circle From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 3 05:54:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15489 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:54:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f144.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.144]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA21000 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:33:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 91056 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2000 21:32:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000802213248.91055.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.76.100.153 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:32:48 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.76.100.153] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] lavers:wanted, Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:32:48 NZST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, is there anyone out there who has any old lavers size 8- 8an a half they'd like to sell..? Jonathon Haze From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 3 07:23:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15678 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:23:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Joe Kennedy Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02951 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:59:20 -0700 Received: from ZeRoceNtZ@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id z.12.6ce06a (657) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12.6ce06a.26ba6406@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20000802213248.91055.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:58:30 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] lavers:wanted, To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 142 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On that same note...does anyone have any 13 1/2 to 14 that they dont want and would like to sell?? Thanks, Joe Kennedy From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 16:14:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20770 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:14:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e73COmg18048 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005d01bffd46$164ac480$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: <20000802044954.10223.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: [freestyle] Super dooper fly Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:26:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > AAAhHH! I thought torch-r rack was stepping shaft! I > also thought Scott Davidson hit stepping op superfly a > looooong time ago and named it "super duper fly"... > > > Later, > James Once and for all, shaft is stepping symposium double down. This means that it is all done on the same side. Stepping shaft doesn't exist because shaft is already stepping. Super Duper Fly is a symposium scorpion's tail. It used to be called poisonous toad (worst name ever....sorry Wulffy) but it was changed upon actually being hit. > Hmmmmm... Am I all mixed up? Yes, you are. Ryan Mulroney From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 16:24:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20843 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:24:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16642 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:55:18 -0700 Received: from patti.excite.com ([199.172.148.159]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000804015421.KCEC25214.bucky.excite.com@patti.excite.com> for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:54:21 -0700 Message-ID: <22661653.965354061718.JavaMail.imail@patti.excite.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:54:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Wulff Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] trivia style #9 whoops :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.33.33.36 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yee Haw!... I new this would happen sooner or later. I made it to episode #9 before I screwed up and got caught. :) Regarding #2 copied below I meant to ask regarding a net event(doubles or singles) and a *singles* professional freestyle event. However, since I forgot the *singles* part for freestyle, anybody who answered up until now will get credit for either. AND the 2 folks who actually caught my little boo boo will get whatever the bonus is I said it would be for catching me in a screw up. I'll check the original rules which I posted and you will see the results on the last episode. Sorry... hope you're havin a jolly yip time anyway... Ironman question corrected below... > 2. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old... In the 1990's only 2 > people have won a professional world championship in a net event and also a *SINGLES* > freestyle event. Kenny Shults of course is one. Who is the other? _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 16:25:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20854 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:25:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from 208.223.204.123 ([208.223.204.123]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23216 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:08:14 -0700 Received: from antisocial.com [208.223.204.123] by 208.223.204.123 (SMTPD32-6.00) id AFCFA0800D2; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 01:16:47 -0500 Message-ID: <19169200085461647475@antisocial.com> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 4 X-EM-Registration: #01E0520310450300B900 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: My Own Email v4.00 alpha From: "sean diakiw" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] worlds Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:16:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am really looking forward to meeting everyone, and learning new moves at worlds. and buying a new footbag. I was just wondering 1 who do you guys think are going to runaway with worlds and why and who is going to surprise everyone. Also does anyone have any new awesome tricks that they are saving to bust out at worlds. Do any of you know good sites with videos. please email me the addresses. thanks, Sean PS look for me at worlds... i will be the kid with green and red (MERRY KRISMAS) hair. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 16:28:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20867 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:28:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f5.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03530 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:04:26 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:03:44 -0700 Received: from 128.214.152.204 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.214.152.204] From: "Samuli Viitanen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Hi everybody! about millennium lavers.. Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:03:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2000 19:03:44.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BCB5080:01BFFD7D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo. So, this is my debut in this list so I'll go straight to the point. i saw a pair of da millennium lavers the first time in paris in the european masters this summer and since then i've been wondering about buying those millennium shoes. the reason i'm writing is that i heard a rumour that these shoes aren't manufactured anymore.. is this rumour correct??? i hope it isn't because i want those shoes!!! theyre just so cool ones:) one question more: where it is possible to buy these shoes? i consulted Ahren Gehrman in paris and he gave me an address (www.feet.com) but he warned me that they were sold out there, and they were. so i'd appreciate any help in the mystery of finding the missing link to the shoes. are these shoes perhaps available at the worlds this year? hoping to hear something soon. -Samuli Viitanen -finnishredder@footbag.org btw. i just hit today my first inspinning mirage and first inspinning butterfly. sweet:) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 16:55:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21079 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:55:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.123.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12991 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:20:28 -0700 Received: from bfk by adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13KkCm-0003mH-00; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:20:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:20:16 -0700 From: "Brian F. Kimball" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hi everybody! about millennium lavers.. Message-ID: <20000804092016.I14124@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> Mail-Followup-To: freestyle@footbag.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from fbagsam@hotmail.com on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 07:03:44PM +0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 07:03:44PM +0000, Samuli Viitanen wrote: > So, this is my debut in this list Welcome! > so I'll go straight to the point. i saw a > pair of da millennium lavers the first time in paris in the european masters > this summer and since then i've been wondering about buying those millennium > shoes. the reason i'm writing is that i heard a rumour that these shoes > aren't manufactured anymore.. is this rumour correct??? As far as we know, yes. Eli Piltz thought they might be reintroduced in the fall or in the spring of next year. > one question more: where it is possible to buy these shoes? We still don't know of any website that has them in stock. Steve, if no one chimes in with new information, can you update the FAQ? It still implies that the Milleniums are available. http://www.footbag.org/facts/show?id=953170515 cheers, brian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 19:23:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21860 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:23:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16928 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:16:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 1139 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2000 18:16:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20000804181626.1138.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <005d01bffd46$164ac480$0200a8c0@pseudo> Received: from [63.14.207.63] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:16:26 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Super dooper fly To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Ryan Mulroney > > Hmmmmm... Am I all mixed up? > Yes, you are. > Ryan Mulroney Yes, your right. I sooo thought shaft was a symp down double down. Im starting to hate move names. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 19:23:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21871 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:23:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4002.mail.yahoo.com (web4002.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13224 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:26:06 -0700 Message-ID: <20000804162512.20455.qmail@web4002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.218.209.36] by web4002.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:25:12 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:25:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Fournier Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was wondering if anyone had a pair of Rod Laver's size 11-1/2 12? Or even some ADIDAS Paladin's? thanks Bobby From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 20:45:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22208 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:45:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19073 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:21:13 -0700 Received: from [198.202.67.188] (198.202.67.188) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 4 Aug 2000 12:23:09 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000804181626.1138.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <005d01bffd46$164ac480$0200a8c0@pseudo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:18:49 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: Re: [freestyle] Super dooper fly Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Risden wrote: >I sooo thought shaft was a symp down double down. Im >starting to hate move names. Me too, and it doesn't help that it is listed as such. parsed from http://www.footbag.org/moves/list/5 name:Shaft adds:5 tech:CLIP > (no plant while) OP OUT [BOD][DEX] > SAME OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] >I'm starting to hate move names. Its worse than it appears . . . Cameron From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 23:04:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22644 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:04:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23320 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:32:00 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id z.a.83b0e9 (6153); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000804162512.20455.qmail@web4002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:31:11 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes To: freestyle@footbag.org, perfectanarchy@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, In a message dated 8/4/00 2:49:49 PM, perfectanarchy@yahoo.com writes: << Or even some ADIDAS Paladin's? >> NO!!! NO!!! NOT Paladins!!!! Get LAVERS!!! Steve said it right, there's no sense in screwing around asking what's the best bag and what's the best shoe because we already know. Modified Lavers and a 32 panel facile bag, and that's it. Don't settle for Paladins or whatever, or ANYTHING, because Lavers aren't hard to get. Like steve said... "Get the shoes, get the bag, get with it." I don't mean to sound harsh or mean, but it's just so simple. There's no need to settle for less because it's easy to settle for the best. Sincerely, Matt Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Aug 5 06:33:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23832 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 06:33:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA27027 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:42:01 -0700 Received: (qmail 1491 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2000 23:41:19 -0000 Received: from blndi5-212-144-128-023.arcor-ip.net (HELO quarktasche) (212.144.128.23) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2000 23:41:19 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01bffe6d$6b5fe400$178090d4@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: Subject: [freestyle] ....and shred videos again Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:03:19 +0200 Organization: Schmidt Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello people, thanx to all who responded to my question about cool shred tapes (especially Derric Scalf), now it is my turn to select the video and let it be ordered (by my girlfriend currently being in NYC). But now I can tell you about some new shred videos ONLINE: At www.footbagfreestyle.de there are 10 new mpegs caught at the European Masters in Paris featuring Germany's top open players like Marc Inzinger and Jan Zimmermann and intermediate players like Tillmann Witzler and me. And you can also see the women's freestyle European Champion Julia Boehm doing a 24 seconds shred (including an outside ATW). So causes enough to go there and click on "Video-Gallerie" - the website is in German but you will find the videos easily. keep watchin' videos and shreddin ;o), Matthias........ P.S. You will maybe see some very well known American faces in the background of some videos........ P.P.S. This mail should have been posted by the webmaster of footbagfreestyle.de, Sebastian Kleinichen, but he is on a holiday trip, so I did it. _____________________________________ "Der reißende Fluss wird gewalttätig genannt, aber das Ufer, das ihn einengt, nennt keiner gewalttätig." _____________________________________ www.footbagfreestyle.de/videos/shreds/em2000/matth01n.mpg www.parlament-berlin.de/wgr From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Aug 5 06:37:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23867 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 06:37:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from czpwa - 207.92.165.237 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:55:36 -0700 Message-ID: <004001bffeaa$5b974940$eda55ccf@czpwa> From: "Richard Reese" To: "Ryan Mulroney" , References: <20000802044954.10223.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> <005d01bffd46$164ac480$0200a8c0@pseudo> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Super dooper fly Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:56:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ryan, You are the man. Period. You are the one responsible for the long, I mean long combos that are becoming more abundant in freestyle today. I do expect to see you hit 10 different 5-add tricks in one combo at Worlds....... Listen, I bought a 15 hour battery for my camcorder so I will get major footage this year, Alot of it of you, shredder. Anyway, the other reason I'm posting is because of the Super-dooper fly talk turning into Shaft talk. I'm not one to look at the moves list because it's so jacked up so lets say that you are the only one I've ever seen hit both of these moves in person. I did finally hit Super-dooper fly the other day but not very crispy. But, Shaft is a Symposium down-double, right? Not a STEPPING symposium down-double, right. Stepping SDD, now thats crazy, which is why I think you could hit it,but whats that called? Blurrier is a stepping down double, so where did the name shaft come from? Ryan, the reason I want to clarify this is because you're confusing the new guys. Watch out for that Risden fellow, I hear he's nasty...... James, you better make it to Worlds man, I can tell that Ryan's mouth is watering for some new blood. I love you man. Is Ahren good at footbag? Can't wait to see you all at the mighty Worlds, peace out, Rippin. P.S. Torch-r-rack is hard! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 5:26 AM Subject: [freestyle] Super dooper fly > > > AAAhHH! I thought torch-r rack was stepping shaft! I > > also thought Scott Davidson hit stepping op superfly a > > looooong time ago and named it "super duper fly"... > > > > > > Later, > > James > > Once and for all, shaft is stepping symposium double down. This means that > it is all done on the same side. Stepping shaft doesn't exist because shaft > is already stepping. Super Duper Fly is a symposium scorpion's tail. It used > to be called poisonous toad (worst name ever....sorry Wulffy) but it was > changed upon actually being hit. > > > Hmmmmm... Am I all mixed up? > > Yes, you are. > Ryan Mulroney > > > > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Aug 5 15:43:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24675 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:43:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e759UrV24471 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000d01bffec0$1b551540$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: <005d01bffd46$164ac480$0200a8c0@pseudo> Subject: [freestyle] Shaft Correction Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:32:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I messed up and said that shaft was stepping symposium down double down when in fact it is just symposium down double down. I believe that stepping down double down is called Dolemite but it hasn't been hit yet so it is up for grabs. Sorry for the error. Ryan Mulroney From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 6 07:06:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27243 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:06:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1301.mail.yahoo.com (web1301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.151]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28702 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:05:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 9352 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2000 22:22:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000805222238.9351.qmail@web1301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.12.230.153] by web1301.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 15:22:38 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:22:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Jones Reply-To: janejones2000@yahoo.com Subject: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I'm hoping someone can clarify something for us North Americans and others. How are the titles awarded for European Masters? I was under the impression that just like many other tournaments, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ..., places were awarded to those who took those places in their bracket, and not dependent on where ones citizenship is held. What's the European consensus on this? Is European Masters a European Open Championship, or strictly a European Championship? I assume this is just like Wimbleton or French Opens where the title holder can be from any country in the world. Just wondering... See ya, Jane From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 6 07:08:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27254 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:08:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29303 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:13:56 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust116.tnt11.chi5.da.uu.net [63.22.161.116]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08941; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <398C9187.AB32E53@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 17:13:27 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Mulroney CC: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shaft Correction References: <005d01bffd46$164ac480$0200a8c0@pseudo> <000d01bffec0$1b551540$0200a8c0@pseudo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ryan Mulroney wrote: > .........I believe that stepping down > double down is called Dolemite but it hasn't been hit yet so it is up for > grabs............. I was under the impression that symposium paradon was Dolemite, has this even been hit? how about symposium double over down? do these have names? tell me what's up. -TW From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 6 07:14:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27303 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:14:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.155]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10864 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:42:08 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:41:26 -0700 Received: from 205.189.152.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.11] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hi everybody! about millennium lavers.. Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:41:26 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000804092016.I14124@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2000 05:41:26.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6ADA500:01BFFF68] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:20:16 -0700 Brian F. Kimball wrote >We still don't know of any website that has them in stock. > >Steve, if no one chimes in with new information, can you update the >FAQ? >It still implies that the Milleniums are available. I'd just like to say that anyone can find them at WWW.FOOTACTION.COM!! o o \_/ Mike D | A.K.A. :(SNAKEeYES): ^ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 6 07:15:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27314 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:15:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f48.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.48]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31499 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:17:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:17:00 -0700 Received: from 64.10.157.50 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.10.157.50] From: "Gergo Csallo" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] About trick names Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:17:00 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2000 23:17:00.0730 (UTC) FILETIME=[421D61A0:01BFFF33] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there! Some years ago, when I was aggressive inline skating, we used to have a saying in connection with trick names, actually trick name confusions: "Call it whatever you want to call it, I just pull THIS" For those, who hate the names... anyways, it just got to my mind... rebelkid From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 6 07:15:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27325 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:15:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2006.mail.yahoo.com (web2006.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.206]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA24360 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:41:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 12561 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2000 19:41:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000805194124.12560.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.193.59.43] by web2006.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:41:24 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:41:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] The California Connection- freestyle video available! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Freestylers, The latest Boulder Blades production is now available! "The California Connection" is over one hour long, showcasing most of footbag's top shredders, including Rick Reese, Ryan Mulroney, Sunil Jani, Big Add Chad, Ahren Gherman, and many more all pushing the limits of freestyle as we know it. The video contains footage from the Colorado Shred Symposium, UCSF Jam, and more; and everyone is at the top of their game. Furthermore, all previous videos by B.B.Productions are available: Rye Shred (1998), Sultans of Shred (1999), and Churney & Friends (1999). Email or phone me for the details, or pick up your tapes at World's! Eli Piltz 858-488-2133 ezshredz@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 6 07:19:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27336 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:19:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f203.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25075 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:33:53 -0700 Received: (qmail 22866 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2000 22:32:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000804223218.22865.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 64.10.157.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:32:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [64.10.157.204] From: "Gergo Csallo" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] what's it called? Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 00:32:18 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey! I started freestyle some weeks ago. I checked the moves list for a particular move (2 add). CLIP > SAME OUT [dex] > SAME TOE [del] Is it a Clipper set ATW? rebelkid From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 7 00:20:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29208 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:20:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA07581 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:03:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 31743 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 2000 22:03:36 -0000 Received: from blndi6-212-144-168-059.arcor-ip.net (HELO quarktasche) (212.144.168.59) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2000 22:03:36 -0000 Message-ID: <002901bffff2$18e088c0$3ba890d4@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: References: <20000805222238.9351.qmail@web1301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:02:51 +0200 Organization: Schmidt Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Jane and all, when a European Championship is held the main objective should be to find out who are the best players IN EUROPE. In my opinion it is not right that an American is called the European Champion (Sorry Ahren, Justin is the champion...;o)). Of course, anyone can compete, but I even think that it should not be possible for an Non-European to kick out Europeans. Imagine a final of the EM being played only by Americans (just because in the final group are only, let's say 10 people, and maybe 12 Americans - definetely better than most of us here - have travelled to Europe). This year it was nearly like this (5 people of 12 from Europe - not counting Andrew as an European) and many people worried about it because they did not get into the finals only because there were too many Americans (too many to get into finals, not at all, of course). The best way would be letting everyone compete but assuring that in final, which is planned to be held with 10 persons, are 10 Europeans and as many Americans as they were able to qualify. So the final group would have 10 + x (x=Number of Americans that are better than at least European number 10) persons. (Hope everyone can understand my confused and confusing thoughts and my "European English".....) keep shreddin' and stop arguin' ;o) Matthias................. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 7 00:23:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29257 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:23:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.18]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14319 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:42:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:41:35 -0700 Received: from 211.38.59.34 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.38.59.34] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 07:41:35 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2000 07:41:35.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF74C5D0:01BFFF79] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Cross wrote: >NO!!! NO!!! NOT Paladins!!!! Get LAVERS!!! Steve said it right, there's >no sense in screwing around asking what's the best bag and what's the best >shoe because we already know. Modified Lavers and a 32 panel facile bag, >and >that's it. Um, if I may chime in here, Laver's are some of the best shoes one can find, but not the only ones. Personally I think they're not worth the powder to blow them to hell. I play with very highly modified Airwalks and have been very happy with my progress since the swich, thanks to a lot less weight and an evener kicking surface. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 7 00:24:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29270 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:24:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA15512 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:17:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 13356 invoked by alias); 6 Aug 2000 08:16:50 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-Freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 13344 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 2000 08:16:49 -0000 Received: from wdialup78.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.160.142.78) by dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2000 08:16:49 -0000 Message-ID: <398D1E9D.AA579CA9@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 02:15:25 -0600 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] what's it called? References: <20000804223218.22865.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A friend of mine suggested Wolverine for it's name a while back. M@ Gergo Csallo wrote: > > Hey! > > I started freestyle some weeks ago. I checked the moves list for a > particular move (2 add). > CLIP > SAME OUT [dex] > SAME TOE [del] > Is it a Clipper set ATW? > > rebelkid From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 7 02:34:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29507 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 02:34:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web215.mail.yahoo.com (web215.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA11183 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:32:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 27136 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2000 00:32:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000807003239.27135.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <002901bffff2$18e088c0$3ba890d4@quarktasche> Received: from [24.12.230.153] by web215.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 17:32:39 PDT Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:32:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zerbe Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there stylers, I think it is possible to find out who the best players in Europe are without giving the title to the person who got second place. Simply keep the European *ranking* separate from the people who are competing in Masters. So that the European Master would not necessarily be the #1 European player, just like the winner of the French Open is not necessarily the best tennis player in France. This is the way its been done in the past. For example anyone from anywhere can have the Western Regional title if they have the skill to execute a winning routine. Another example, didn't Ken S. win the Montreal Windchill Tourney. He isn't from Quebec. Also, someone from Europe could come over and win at the U.S. Opens. I personally think that when footbag players get together to compete, that nationality should not make any difference. The winner of a tournament is the winner. If you have people come over from another country, and have them compete, it is not fair to treat them differently. It would be nice to have some IFAB/IFC clarification on this. Anyone else have thoughts on this? Zerbe --- Matthias Lino Schmidt wrote: > Hi Jane and all, > > when a European Championship is held the main > objective should be to find > out who are the best players IN EUROPE. In my > opinion it is not right that > an American is called the European Champion (Sorry > Ahren, Justin is the > champion...;o)). Of course, anyone can compete, but > I even think that it > should not be possible for an Non-European to kick > out Europeans. Imagine a > final of the EM being played only by Americans (just > because in the final > group are only, let's say 10 people, and maybe 12 > Americans - definetely > better than most of us here - have travelled to > Europe). This year it was > nearly like this (5 people of 12 from Europe - not > counting Andrew as an > European) and many people worried about it because > they did not get into the > finals only because there were too many Americans > (too many to get into > finals, not at all, of course). > The best way would be letting everyone compete but > assuring that in final, > which is planned to be held with 10 persons, are 10 > Europeans and as many > Americans as they were able to qualify. So the final > group would have 10 + x > (x=Number of Americans that are better than at least > European number 10) > persons. > > (Hope everyone can understand my confused and > confusing thoughts and my > "European English".....) > > keep shreddin' and stop arguin' ;o) > Matthias................. > > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 7 06:30:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30157 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 06:30:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30154 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 06:30:02 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19679 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:55:28 -0700 Received: from [24.16.28.170] by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000807055511.CQYY20342.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.28.170]> for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:55:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:54:46 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wow, such loaded questions. Sorry, Matthias, but your logic is flawed and you are not speaking for the tournament organizers. Here's the fact: The European championships, which were sanctioned by the IFC for the first year ever, are *open*. They would not have been sanctioned if they were not! The results clearly indicate that they are. Ahren, for example, took home the trophy. The only reason Jane didn't get the trophy was simply that she wasn't there to collect it, so they gave it to the 2nd runner-up instead. This was not meant to indicate that Jane didn't deserve it since all other 1st-place winners got trophies, regardless of country of origin. There has been a lot of confusion around this issue of European vs. non-European winners and we need to put this to rest. The separate results that were listed, called the European *rankings*, are certainly appropriate for showing how the local players, for whom the tournament was organized to help promote the sport *locally* within Europe, fared against the top dogs who attended. This is in no way meant to be a negative. It's simply a way to show the relative ability of the Europeans when they've gone head-to-head against other players. It's like the club award at Worlds, in a way. It'd be nice if we had the time and energy to summarize Worlds results by rankings per region -- there's really no downside to that. It's just complicated is all. :-) So, please, everyone relax on this issue. The European Championships, at least as they were sanctioned this year, were just like any other open tournament -- the best player got first place. Thanks. Steve P.S. Yes, it's true that *last* year's tournament had some problems in this area; they've been corrected, all except for an oversight regarding Jane's trophy. Jane, please take this up with the tournament organizers -- it's not the policy they intended to follow. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 7 19:06:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32183 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:06:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32180 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:06:52 -0700 Received: from fep2.excitehome.net (fep2.excitehome.net [24.0.26.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20695 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:32:16 -0700 Received: from [24.16.28.170] by fep2.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000807183200.LEBA15061.fep2.excitehome.net@[24.16.28.170]> for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:32:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:31:58 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Freestylers going to worlds -- read this NOW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Freestylers who are competing at Worlds in *any* event (including shred): Please understand that you *cannot* register for freestyle *at all* after next Monday (opening day of the tournament). But if you don't register *today*, you'll be charged a $10 late fee. If you miss the registration and check-in next Monday morning, you are OUT OF LUCK. No ifs, ands, buts, or exceptions. You MUST register absolutely NO LATER than next Monday's check-in. You can *check in* if you've already *PAID* online (today) on Wednesday at the freestyle players' meeting and judging clinic. But you *cannot* pay then. You *must* pay by Monday or you will be scratched. Absolutely. Online registration closes today, so you really have to do it *NOW*. NOW. Click here: http://www.footbag.org/registration/register?tid=941418343 Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 07:14:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01890 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:14:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailgate.novagate.net (IDENT:root@mailgate.novagate.net [205.138.138.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17187 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:16:57 -0700 Received: from novagate.net (AS5800-v90-3.GrandHaven.novagate.net [208.21.101.3]) by mailgate.novagate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA10067 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398E394E.298B4E5E@novagate.net> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 00:21:38 -0400 From: ryan masuga Reply-To: masuga@novagate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all- I've been kicking in Adidas Ilie Nastase models for the past 6 months and love them. They have the same base as a Laver, but the material on top is different, and they have three blue stripes on each side. The toe box is noticeably wider than on the Lavers. I wore them to Midwest Regionals and everyone was asking me what they were, if I drew the stripes on them myself, etc. It seems that no one there had ever seen them before. Anyone else kick in these shoes? I found them at some Adidas outlet near Ann Arbor, MI about two years ago and just decided to break them out a few months back. They're great! I have never seen any since - maybe they can be found online at these shoe websites everyone talks about. ryan masuga 3rd Coast Footbag Dept. West Michigan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 07:13:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01874 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:13:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from www0e.netaddress.usa.net (www0e.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA23168 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:51:08 -0700 Received: (qmail 4646 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2000 07:50:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000807075056.4645.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.34 by www0e for [129.132.1.35] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Mon Aug 7 07:50:56 GMT 2000 Date: 7 Aug 00 09:50:56 MET DST From: Jan Zimmermann To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id IAA30480 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all of you! Although I'm technically a part of the European Footbag Council, this is not an "official" statement, just my personal opinion concerning this subject. Since we didn't manage to hold a Council meeting in Paris the official statement will have to wait until I've talked to all the other guys here in Europe. Just to clarify one point: the european champs are technically an open championship and we are very happy that so many US and Canadian players showed up this year (and last year too). It really is good for all the european players (most of whom never make it to worlds) to see some high class american players. Therefore in the past there have always been two titles awarded. First place for the player who won and a seperate title of European Champion for the best european player. I could go ahead and write a whole essay on why it is really important to have this "seperate" title, if you really want to hear it write me. The same policy is also used by us at the German Championships, we also crown the German Champion seperately. Problems that I see in the future are having "too many" (what a statement) top notch american players coming to europe. A worst case scenario would leave only one european player in the final round automatically meaning that whoever makes it to the finals is automatically European Champion. We all know that it would then depend heavily on which braket you're in if you're going to be the one reaching finals or not. We therefore couldn't positively say that the European Champ is really the best european player. I hope you see the problem. Anyway, this subject will be discussed with the european council and you'll get some official feedback in the next couple of weeks (everybody's on holiday as far as I know). Be assured that we want YOU at the European Champs we just have to find a way to let this tournament be an open tournament AND for it to be the European Championships. Jan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 07:13:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01885 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:13:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15617 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:17:02 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna92.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.103]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA44350 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:16:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000806221606.00b3ab90@email.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20000804223218.22865.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:16:12 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: Re: [freestyle] what's it called? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Gergo Csallo wrote: >CLIP > SAME OUT [dex] > SAME TOE [del] >Is it a Clipper set ATW? This move is a legover set from the clipper position. It's not significantly different enough to call it another name, nor does it have the paradox element to give it another add. It is definitely worth schooling though because it makes your legovers a lot faster. Alex (Integer, of the Penn State Trio) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 07:13:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01879 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:13:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1303.mail.yahoo.com (web1303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.153]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA20584 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:26:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 26219 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2000 06:26:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000807062623.26218.qmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [207.202.172.142] by web1303.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:26:23 PDT Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:26:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Jones Reply-To: janejones2000@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey hey, --- Steve Goldberg wrote: > Here's the fact: > > The European championships, which were sanctioned by > the IFC for the > first year ever, are *open*. They would not have > been sanctioned if > they were not! ... > The European Championships, > at least as they were sanctioned this year, were > just like any other > open tournament -- the best player got first place. This answers my questions exactly. Thanks Steve. Good to know non-Euros are welcome to compete in this tournament. :-) This means we can save our money up for Prague next year! See ya, jane From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 07:14:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01915 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:14:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1001.mail.yahoo.com (web1001.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.91]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA12761 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:23:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 6577 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2000 14:23:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000807142313.6576.qmail@web1001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.36.247.32] by web1001.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 07:23:13 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahren Gehrman Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey. Sorry for causing so much hype. I'm not really that good at footbag. Torch p.s. Unless somebody wants to loan me a large sum of money, I might be stuck in Europe for a while and miss worlds. Not joking. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 19:31:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04119 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:31:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4005.mail.yahoo.com (web4005.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.39]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA27845 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:13:44 -0700 Message-ID: <20000808141259.14998.qmail@web4005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.218.209.36] by web4005.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 07:12:59 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:12:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Fournier Subject: [freestyle] Footbag X-Games To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I emailed the X-Games and asked them if they were ever gonna have a footbag freestyle competetion, and they emailed me back saying they were thinking about adding one in the year 2003!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 19:31:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04114 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:31:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22033 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:34:44 -0700 Received: from patti.excite.com ([199.172.148.159]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000808103425.IFYJ25214.bucky.excite.com@patti.excite.com> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:34:25 -0700 Message-ID: <6735550.965730865409.JavaMail.imail@patti.excite.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:34:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Wulff Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Trivia Style 10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.254.24.241 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Crazy Blades & Welcome to the final episode of "Trivia Style"!! I had a little goof on trivia #9 where I left out a detail to a question making it a bit confusing. It wasn't intentional BUT you did have to know your stuff to realize I goofed. 2 People caught me before I corrected myself and they got 3 bonus adds. More details are in the answer below. I want to say THANK YOU to a record number of new players and WELCOME 4 new folks on the scoreboard. answers for #9 >1. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old... Who is the >self proclaimed(and worthy) "Father of Freestyle"? a. Jack Schoolcraft b. Rick Reese c. Bruce Guettich d. Neil Young e. Jim Caveney answer... Jack Schoolcraft >2. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old... In the >1990's only 2 people have won a professional world championship >in a net event and also a *SINGLES* freestyle event. Kenny >Shults of course is one. Who is the other? answer... Tricia George Originally I left out the *SINGLES* part of the question leaving the door open for 1 more person I think. Lisa McDaniel won a professional women's team freestyle title along with net titles. Sorry, you did not get adds for this answer after I posted the correction. >3. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old... Before the >Rod Laver, what was the "shoe of choice" for the cutting edge shredders? answer... Le Coq Sportif Okay... time for #10 While producing "Trivia Style"... :) I have come across several interesting tid bits of info or others have shared with me interesting stories about the days of old. I can't always work them into trivia, but I will include a few "Random Notes" below with the trivia sprinkled in. :) Random notes... by James Roberts "In 1991 Brent Welch's and Etienne Constable's routines had to be video-verified for a drop b/c of the minor difference in their scores. One of Etienne's drops was when he reached down to pick up a drop and touched the bag but missed on his attempt to pick it up (minus .25)...DOH! How's that for controversy? Because of the minor discrepency and since they were freestyle partners, Brent pulled himself from singles competition. What a sport, huh? " 1. 4 adds for new schoolers and 3 for old schoolers... who's brainchild was the "Big Add Posse"? 2. Worth 1 add each.... Name the members in the first generation(original members) of BAP... BAP nicknames are required. You will loose 1 add for every person named who was not an original member. Random Notes... Peter Irish won his first 3 titles wearing other peoples shoes. His first title was won in a pair of shoes borrowed from none other than Rick Reese himself. Dennis Jones now owns these shoes. At least his next 2 were won in his Dad's old running shoes. These shoes were later featured by themselves on a Funtastik tournament t-shirt. 3. If you can give me an answer within 3(over or under) than you get 3 adds... How many times had Peter Irish gone "Ground Zero"(dropless) in singles open freestyle competition? "Random Notes".... Steven Blough 4. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 for old... What 2 things were similar about Rick Reese' freestyle routine from 1988 & 1998? "Random Notes"... WAY back in the day freestylers would seek out a nice patch of GRASS to "shred on". 5. 3 adds... Sam Conlon has won the most open women's singles Freestyle World Championships. Who has won the most open singles freestyle WC's? How many? I could go on & on but It's gotta end somewhere and this is where it ends. It's been fun. I'll be back one more time with answers. Hopefully before worlds. Don't worry, the winner will be reimbursed for his/her entrance fee to worlds. Looking forward to being in Vancouver BC for the FWC 2000! It's past Ironman's bed time... Good Night :) Current Standings... Since #9 Aaron Edggerton - 7 Adrian Dick - 14 Alex Ibardaloza - 6 Andrew McCarger - 16 Antti Lehikoinen - 1 Becca - 60 Bob Green - 30 Brad Kaplin - 28 Brian Kimball - 1 Bryan Fournier - 2 Cole Hobson - 6 Cory Current - 24 Danny Cardonne - 4 Dave Reid - 7 Dennis Lee - 3 Derric Schroeder - 4 Eli Piltz - *** +2 Eric "Wicked" Windsor - 17 Ernest Crvch - 11 GF Smoothie - 60 Ian Dubman - 31 James Roberts - 11 Jeremiah J. Riley - 6 Jon Schneider - 61 Ken "Ceiling Fan" Semolinos - 51 MatthewL329@aol.com - 2 Mickey Mayer - 5 Mike Stoler - 4 Phillip Summers - 3 Sam Colchough - 5 Scott "The Enlightener" Davidson - 11 Sebastian Duchesne - 10 Shredstein - 7 Stan Sagalovskiy - 8 Tina Lewis - 16 Tuan Vu - 17 Tu Vu - 6 Ville Laakso - 16 Vince Bradley - 33 Yacine - 9 _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 19:31:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04124 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:31:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1004.mail.yahoo.com (web1004.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.94]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA30552 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:42:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 19242 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2000 15:42:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000808154211.19241.qmail@web1004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.36.247.77] by web1004.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:42:10 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:42:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahren Gehrman Subject: [freestyle] saved To: freestyle discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, Somebody actually had a large sum of money to loan me. See you at worlds. Torch From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 20:06:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04291 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:06:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04288 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:06:12 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07865 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:31:33 -0700 Received: from [24.16.28.189] by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000808193115.KFDW20342.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.28.189]> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:31:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000808141259.14998.qmail@web4005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000808141259.14998.qmail@web4005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:31:09 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag X-Games Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 7:12 AM -0700 8/8/00, Bobby Fournier wrote: >Hey all, >I emailed the X-Games and asked them if they were ever >gonna have a footbag freestyle competetion, and they >emailed me back saying they were thinking about adding >one in the year 2003!!!! Just for clarity's sake, we've got a good relationship with the X-games, thanks in no small part to Sunil's persistence. :-) But others are to thank as well. We did a huge demo last year at the X-Games in SF, some may recall, and it was well received (but didn't make it on air, I don't think). They actually let me on the mic in front of throngs of crowds while the local gang (which ain't no small potatoes, let me tell you) shredded on stage. It was rad. Anyway, unfortunately this year it's exactly the same week as Worlds, so very few people will be in town for it. It's only in San Francisco for two years. Oh well. Steve P.S. Bobby, the most common way to avoid having to answer repeated queries is to give a date that's totally random sometime in the future. I seriously doubt they really plan to include it. Footbag is not really extreme. This US mentality that the only cool sports are extreme ones is really annoying. The Europeans are way cooler about it. Except we have to beat some sense into those nationalists who think US players shouldn't come to their events. :-) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 21:55:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04619 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:55:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f150.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.150]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA09255 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:11:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 43766 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 2000 20:11:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000808201105.43765.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <398E394E.298B4E5E@novagate.net> Received: from 172.129.118.114 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:11:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [172.129.118.114] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:11:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ryan masuga wrote: >Hey all- > >I've been kicking in Adidas Ilie Nastase models for the past 6 months and >love them. They have the same base as a Laver, but the material on top is >different, and they have three blue stripes on each side. The toe box is >noticeably wider than on the Lavers. I saw Ryans nastasse shoes and they were just like lavers but better looking, most nastasse shoes are made of leather but but his are mesh. I have a feeling they are hard to find. If i could find em id try em, my 8 month old laver millenniums are already wearing through the sole- the rubber wears like a pencil eraser, good thing i have shoe goo! BTW Im still looking for a ride into vancouver from my siters house 75 miles south of vancouver and off of I 5, and does anyone have directions to the hostel? See u all next week! Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 22:19:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04790 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:19:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f38.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12942 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:41:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:41:14 -0700 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:41:14 NZST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag X-Games Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2000 21:41:14.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[604FB7E0:01C00181] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In response to the discussion about footbag being a televised sport at the X games, i think that in terms of the growth of the sport perhaps this would have been a good platform for the sport to present itself to the young generations.All young people need is exposure to the kinds of tricks,television coverage and the internet seems an ideal way to do this.Unfortuneately with television coverage, a sport isn't shown on tv proportionately to the amount of skill a sport requires, and athletes aren't payed proportionately to the amount of skill they perform either. Take for example the saturation exposure of a sport like rugby here in Nz or maybe football in the Us,mainly composing of gross motor skills and physical strength,for some reason people prefer to see this(don't get me wrong though, i do enjoy a game of rugby)personally i'd rather see a freestyler land a ducking paradox torque though. ?- Is there any tv coverage of the Footbag finals? Or should i ask have you found an advertiser?? Jono Heyes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 22:40:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04940 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:40:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web703.mail.yahoo.com (web703.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.23]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13452 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:55:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 8872 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2000 22:13:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000808221301.8871.qmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [63.206.192.239] by web703.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:13:01 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: chris wollick Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag X-Games To: Steve Goldberg Cc: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve Goldberg wrote: >Footbag is >not really extreme. why not try for the gravity games? after all, footbag does involve gravity. -chris From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 03:04:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05830 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:04:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4602.mail.yahoo.com (web4602.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13825 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:07:18 -0700 Message-ID: <20000808220636.18336.qmail@web4602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.2.11.34] by web4602.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:06:36 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: john kingi Subject: [freestyle] Ducking what? To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey people. If a Drifter Swirl is called a Swifter..... Does that mean a Ducking Torque is called a Dork. Johnny P.s. I'll probably get hounded for this. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 03:04:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05839 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:04:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17453 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:00:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA19550 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:59:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunil Subhash Jani cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? In-Reply-To: <20000807142313.6576.qmail@web1001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Ahren Gehrman wrote: > I'm not really that good at footbag. Lying bitch. -SSJ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 03:05:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05864 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:05:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17594 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:06:23 -0700 Received: from yahoo.com ([24.67.226.235]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000809000606.TNTA5839.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@yahoo.com>; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:06:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3990A05E.FA625BCF@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:05:50 -0700 From: Curtis Vogt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: masuga@novagate.net CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes References: <398E394E.298B4E5E@novagate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ilie Nastase's, Rod Lavers, and Stan Smyths are all very similar except for a few things (the mesh on top, the stripes... etc) Where I live, the Nastase's and Smyths are way more common than the Lavers... One of the veterans in the Kelowna Footbag Club (Jeff Lopes, Kelowna's in BC Canada by the way) shreds in Nastase's, and he rips it up in them. They seem to work great! ryan masuga wrote: > Hey all- > > I've been kicking in Adidas Ilie Nastase models for the past 6 months and love > them. They have the same base as a Laver, but the material on top is different, > and they have three blue stripes on each side. The toe box is noticeably wider > than on the Lavers. I wore them to Midwest Regionals and everyone was asking me > what they were, if I drew the stripes on them myself, etc. It seems that no one > there had ever seen them before. Anyone else kick in these shoes? I found them > at some Adidas outlet near Ann Arbor, MI about two years ago and just decided > to break them out a few months back. They're great! I have never seen any since > - maybe they can be found online at these shoe websites everyone talks about. > > ryan masuga > 3rd Coast Footbag Dept. > West Michigan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 03:05:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05876 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:05:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailgate.novagate.net (IDENT:root@mailgate.novagate.net [205.138.138.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19118 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 18:07:40 -0700 Received: from novagate.net (AS5800-3-81.GrandHaven.novagate.net [208.21.102.81]) by mailgate.novagate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA20301; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3990AFED.3E5AA72C@novagate.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:12:15 -0400 From: ryan masuga Reply-To: masuga@novagate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Lino Schmidt CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes References: <398E394E.298B4E5E@novagate.net> <000e01c0018f$dfabc020$018090d4@quarktasche> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I prefer the Nastases to the Lavers because of the "deadening" effect of the bag on the in/outsides. My last pair of lavers hurts my feet. The only good pair of Lavers I've ever had was my first pair, but they're wearing very thin so I only break them out every once in a while - like a fine wine. I can't tell if they're more like rags or slippers. I haven't had any problems with the stripes on the Nastases - in fact, I'm playing better now than I ever have, wearing the "Na-Nastys". Kick on! ryan 3cFD West Michigan Matthias Lino Schmidt wrote: > Hey Ryan, > > Yes, I know the Nastases, many players in our club in Berlin use them > because they are available in shops in France (and so easier and cheaper to > get than ordering lavers online and paying lots of shipping fees). But I > think they are worse than Lavers because > > the material on top is different, and they have three blue stripes on each > side. > The material on top is not only different, it is much thicker and you can > feel the bag less good on your inside (feeling the bag through thin fabric > is very helpfull for executing osis). From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 03:06:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05887 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:06:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f225.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.225]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21794 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:29:53 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:29:12 -0700 Received: from 205.189.152.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.11] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:29:12 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 02:29:12.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AB4E0E0:01C001A9] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hell-o, I was just thinking about the fact that there have been no tournaments absolutely anywhere NEAR Toronto Ontario. Yea, sure the Worlds are in Vancouver but that's 4 provinces over!, all I'm trying to say is that someone should hold a tournament in Toronto, or at least Ontario so people like me can actually see other people like me. p.s. I was just wondering what Ryan Mulroney gets out of being sponsored by Wham-o. o o \_/ Mike D | A.K.A. :(SNAKEeYES): ^ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 03:24:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05932 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:24:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com (mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com [24.12.106.240]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22437 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:44:21 -0700 Received: from home.com ([24.3.108.124]) by mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000809024404.DNFZ1767.mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:44:04 -0700 Message-ID: <3990C62C.8CC55017@home.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:47:09 -0400 From: Justin Petaccio Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok, well try living in PA (pennsylvania) i know there was that philly smurf and all, but besides that...there is NOTHING!!! nothing near me...there is stuff in kansas, but nothing in pa, stuff in idaho, but nothing in pa!!!! P.S. hmm, nice way to sound, this being the first time i actually sent a message on this list =P From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 03:51:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06016 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:51:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06013 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:51:19 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24035 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:16:38 -0700 Received: from [24.16.28.189] by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000809031621.MGVP20342.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.28.189]> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:16:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3990C62C.8CC55017@home.com> References: <3990C62C.8CC55017@home.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:16:26 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:47 PM -0400 8/8/00, Justin Petaccio wrote: >Ok, well try living in PA (pennsylvania) i know there was that >philly smurf and all, but besides that...there is NOTHING!!! nothing >near me...there is stuff in kansas, but nothing in pa, stuff in >idaho, but nothing in pa!!!! Try living *anywhere* where there is hardly *anything*! Welcome to footbag. This is a *small* sport. Rather than complain about how few events there are in your area, attend the ones you can, and offer to organize one in your area if there aren't any. That's what the club list on footbag.org is for -- to help people nearby gain critical mass so they can organize events. But please, don't everyone write me now and ask how you can put on a tournament. I obviously don't know. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 04:29:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06324 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:29:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f279.hotmail.com [216.32.180.133]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24688 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:33:24 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:32:43 -0700 Received: from 24.200.98.89 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.98.89] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:32:43 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 03:32:43.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A3760F0:01C001B2] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ok so no tournaments in ontario but in Montreal, Quebec (that's approx. 5 hours in car from toronto, i think) we had 2 tournaments this year... and we have a lots of freestylers here!! Danny From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 04:30:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06337 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:30:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mx2.magma.ca (mx2.magma.ca [206.191.0.250]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25004 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:41:22 -0700 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6.magma.ca [206.191.0.248]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15198 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave (port80.magma.ca [206.191.5.80]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA10661 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002101c001b3$1007e320$0b01010a@dave> In-Reply-To: From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:36:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mike wrote: >I was just thinking about the fact that there have been no tournaments >absolutely anywhere NEAR Toronto Ontario. Yea, sure the Worlds are in >Vancouver but that's 4 provinces over!, all I'm trying to say is that >someone should hold a tournament in Toronto, or at least Ontario so people >like me can actually see other people like me. That someone sounds like you. Hold a tournament and lure down the Montreal crowd. I will make every effort to attend as well. Surely Toronto can pump out some stylers who can compete with lil old Montreal! :) Montreal has had 2 tourney's this year with good freestyle attendance. You should make that trip if you don't want to hold your own tourney. Dave (in Ottawa) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 04:32:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06349 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:32:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f105.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.105]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25033 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:41:34 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:40:51 -0700 Received: from 64.92.8.57 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.92.8.57] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: circle_lord@yahoo.com, Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ducking what? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:40:51 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000808220636.18336.qmail@web4602.mail.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 03:40:51.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D24EAF0:01C001B3] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org if ya gonna do that, you should spell it "Dorque" Stan p.s. probably john kingi wrote: >If a Drifter Swirl is called a Swifter..... >Does that mean a Ducking Torque is called a Dork. > >Johnny > >P.s. I'll probably get hounded for this. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 04:39:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06388 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:39:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c1mailgw05.prontomail.com ([216.163.184.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25518 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:48:42 -0700 Received: from c1web110 (216.163.188.210) by c1mailgw05.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.1.039) id 3977BB6D001BC66C for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:47:50 -0700 X-Version: homestead 6.0 .2425.0 From: "Frank Montanaro" Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:41:38 -0500 X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Move name? X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey I'm a novice in fooybag and started hacking about 4 months ago and am 1 of a few that can really hack it down here.This being my first question I was wondering if there is a move name for kicking outside kicks over your head and hitting it with the opposite foot.I call it a rainbow but is there a real name for it? Frank(dahacker) |-| /-\ [ |< `|' $ /-\ [ |< From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 23:35:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09655 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:35:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25550 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:58:16 -0700 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA170630; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:58:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:58:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunil Subhash Jani To: Justin Petaccio cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] FUNTASTIK TOURNEY IN PA (was whiny NO TOURNAMENTS IN ONTARIO!?!?) In-Reply-To: <3990C62C.8CC55017@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Justin Petaccio wrote: > Ok, well try living in PA (pennsylvania) i know there was that philly > smurf and all, but besides that...there is NOTHING!!! nothing near > me...there is stuff in kansas, but nothing in pa, stuff in idaho, but > nothing in pa!!!! Amongst a slew of stupid comments recently posted to the list this has to be one of the stupidest (that ducking torque comment excepted)... one of the most fun footbag tournaments in the world is held every year in Harrisburg, PA over the course of labor day weekend... it is always a blast and there are always great footbaggers there. Funtastik has been the site of some of the sickest freestyle finals competitions EVER!! Complete with a service poaching contest and the IRONMAN show... what more could you ask for (...modifying the rules of the shred contest... hint, hint)? Thank your lucky stars that you live in PA, Justin. Also, I fully agree with Mr. Goldberg... if you think there are not enough events in your area... then get off your sorry ass and HOST ONE... "if you build it, they will come." -SSJ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 10 07:10:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11320 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:10:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [216.86.64.33]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26155 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:04:28 -0700 Received: from scratchyball.mcraig.org (matt@usr04-121.provide.net [216.86.66.249]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA19795 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:04:14 -0400 (EDT) From: matt craig To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:47:42 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3990AFED.3E5AA72C@novagate.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00080900003100.08381@scratchyball.mcraig.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matthias Lino Schmidt wrote: > > Hey Ryan, > > > > Yes, I know the Nastases, many players in our club in Berlin use them > > because they are available in shops in France (and so easier and cheaper to Are the ones like Ryan is describing still available? With the mesh instead of leather uppers, and colored stripes on the side. I bought a pair of nastases (for everyday wearing) when I got my laver milleniums and they are exactly the same except the nastases are leather and all white(stripes too). Maybe they're nastase milleniums, or something. > > think they are worse than Lavers because > > the material on top is different, and they have three blue stripes on each I've seen Ryan's nastases and the mesh uppers look exactly the same as the mesh used on lavers. They look like they would kick just like lavers. matt -- MichiganFootbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 10 07:12:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11326 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:12:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA27484 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:49:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 1869 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Aug 2000 05:04:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000809050419.1868.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.205] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:04:19 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Man, I shredded with Ryan Masuga, and dident notice what type of shoes he was useing! He was rippin' snuff up in them, so they must not be too bad. My lavers are about 1 year and 3 months old. And I luv em. I will never use another shoe, but I think im gonna have to bust out the duct tape soon. LOL I heard from Alexander Faber about Peter Irish's shoes ;) Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 10 07:21:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11347 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:21:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f19.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.19]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19284 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:00:09 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:59:28 -0700 Received: from 172.162.164.18 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [172.162.164.18] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] worlds lodging Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:59:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 17:59:28.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F95C3A0:01C0022B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I found a bunch of cheap hostels to stay at in vancouver but I am wondering which ones have freestylers staying there, or which are closest to the worlds sites. Thanks, Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 10 07:35:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11368 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:35:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail2.rdc2.pa.home.com (mail2.rdc2.pa.home.com [24.12.106.241]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30364 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:20:41 -0700 Received: from home.com ([24.3.108.124]) by mail2.rdc2.pa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000809232020.FRDM10086.mail2.rdc2.pa.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:20:20 -0700 Message-ID: <3991E7EE.65211C62@home.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:23:27 -0400 From: Justin Petaccio Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? In-Reply-To: <3990C62C.8CC55017@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I must apologize for my previous post about no events in pa...i was tired, had a headache, and didn't feel like hearing people complain (which is what the guy did about ontario) so when i heard that, the only thing that i thought about doing was complaining more =P Sorry about being so grouchy, but ya'll know how it is sometimes! Thanks for reminding me about the funtastik, i forgot all about it! Justin, the grouch From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 10 07:36:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11373 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:36:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f142.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.142]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32520 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:31:34 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:30:49 -0700 Received: from 165.247.54.234 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.54.234] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: peanut583@home.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:30:49 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2000 00:30:49.0361 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B6FD810:01C00262] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Not to jump all over this comment, but this was just asking for it. Justin wrote: >Ok, well try living in PA (pennsylvania) i know there was that philly smurf >and >all, but besides that...there is NOTHING!!! nothing near me... Why do I get the impression that if you lived in San Francisco you'd still complain? As Steve said, this is a small sport, so it is hard to have lots of footbag near you. While being an east coast shredder may be harder than being a West Coaster, you should be thankful you really don't live in the middle of nowhere. As for living in PA and complaining there is no footbag, that is just wrong. The biggest East Coast tournament happens every year in Harrisburg PA, the last two years you had the amazing Philly footbag Open, Kenny Shults lives in PA, the Philly Smurf is in your backyard, the Jersey Smurf is ridiculously close, there is a jam in Mechanicsburg every year, and NYC freestyle is not that far off. And of course, you can always hold your own event. Instead of complaining how small the sport is, make an effort to promote. Hold a tournament or an event. Do demos at local schools and libraries. Kick in public places and have footbag.org business cards to hand out. Wear footbag t-shirts. Approach beginners with Sipa sipas and teach them. Put out a shred tape. Don't ask what footbag can do for you, ask what you can do for footbag. And stop yo bitchin' CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 10 07:46:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11398 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:46:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f122.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.122]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17538 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:12:11 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:11:29 -0700 Received: from 194.241.4.132 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [194.241.4.132] From: "Samuli Viitanen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:11:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 17:11:29.0577 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBC80190:01C00224] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org yo. i just want to say my opinion about nastases and lavers. although lavers are better for playing because of the ability to cut off the 'extra layer' of fabric so one can feel the ball better, nastases are so much better looking! in france there were neon green-coloured and purple-coloured nastases which looked totally smooth. lavers look like garbage compared to these techo-colored shoes:) -samuli viitanen -finnishredder@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 10 07:48:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11405 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:48:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail-dns1-nj.dialogic.com (mail-dns1-nj.dialogic.com [146.152.228.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26412 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:13:03 -0700 Received: from mail4.dialogic.com ([146.152.6.40]) by mail-dns1-nj.dialogic.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: dialogic.m4,v 1.3 2000/05/05 13:56:23 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id EAA03804 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:16:12 GMT Received: from exchange3nj.dialogic.com (mailnj.dialogic.com [146.152.3.18]) by mail4.dialogic.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23042 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by EXCHANGE3NJ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:12:47 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Coventry, Damian" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ducking what? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:16:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Stan Sagalovskiy wrote: > >If a Drifter Swirl is called a Swifter..... > >Does that mean a Ducking Torque is called a Dork. > > if ya gonna do that, you should spell it "Dorque" whom ever hits it first names it (i think that's the way it goes :)) or to put that another way, when you hit it you get your dork, unless someone else has already beat you to it... Damian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 10 08:15:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11454 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:15:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from www0j.netaddress.usa.net (www0j.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.39]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA12719 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:23:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 1706 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2000 07:23:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000810072313.1705.qmail@www0j.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.39 by www0j for [129.132.1.35] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Thu Aug 10 07:23:13 GMT 2000 Date: 10 Aug 00 09:23:13 MET DST From: Jan Zimmermann To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Picures from Paris X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id HAA11428 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everybody! I'm looking for cool pictures from the European Championships in Paris this year. Mine didn't turn out well. So if you've got some to share please send them to me. I'm trying to pos them on our webpage (www.footbag.ch). And havinbg some at footbag.org would be nice too. Jan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 10 15:46:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11787 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:46:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.85]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19983 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:25:45 -0700 Received: from yahoo.com ([24.67.226.235]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000810102529.JZNO22841.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@yahoo.com> for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:25:29 -0700 Message-ID: <39928301.98347441@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:25:05 -0700 From: Curtis Vogt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Kelowna shred Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok, here's the scoop... I am going to a wedding on the day of the world freestyle finals, so I'm not exactly gonna make it out. Although weddings are nice and all, I'm really pissed off that I can't come. SO instead of going, I thought maybe I could bring a little piece of the worlds to me! :) You see, Kelowna is about 3 and a half hours east of Vancouver, and is totally beautiful. Sooooo, I figured if there was gonna be shredders travelling through the area, coming home from worlds, maybe you could make a short stop in K-town for a shred session??? Kelowna's footbag scene is very weak, and the KFC is small, but existing. Now, nothing big is planned yet, but if you are interested and are travelling through the area, and would want to shred (This would be Monday the 21st) LET ME KNOW!!! I realize people are travelling a lot already, and probably spending a pretty penny, and I understand if you don't want to come out of your way, but if you're passing through anyway.... would it be that tough to do? I neeeeeeed this to happen. thanks kids. Curtis From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 10 16:03:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11821 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:03:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25523 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:57:41 -0700 Received: from psu.edu (tnt1-38-244.cac.psu.edu [128.118.38.244]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26330; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:57:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3991C570.9168E71B@psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <3990C62C.8CC55017@home.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:56:17 -0400 From: Kaiser Ahmad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org CC: peanut583@home.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Justin Petaccio wrote: > Ok, well try living in PA (pennsylvania) i know there was that philly > smurf and all, but besides that...there is NOTHING!!! nothing near > me...there is stuff in kansas, but nothing in pa, stuff in idaho, but > nothing in pa!!!! Actually, there are many registered clubs in PA. My PA club isn't registered, but we still kick ass, and we welcome all players in the area to come and shred. Name of our posse is the Penn State Trio. We are located in State College, PA. If you are in the area, drop me a line and we'll shred. Other than us, there are clubs in Allentown, Philly, Carlisle, Johnstown, and I think that there are shredders out in Pittsburgh too. So if shredding with others in PA is the issue, then right there are some of your options. However, if your problem is with not having enough events in PA, then you must understand that when compared to some of the other states in the nation, PA hosts a good amount of events on the east coast. During this current footbag season, Rob Riefer of Philly threw down a phat tourney in March and a great jam session (Philly SMURF) in June. (I think it was June, it may have been at the end of the month of May; My memory is shot.) Coming up in September will be the Funtastik tournament hosted by Joe and Brenda Solonoski. This will take place in Harrisburg, PA. This happens to be one of the last and coolest tourneys of the season. Attendance is usually pretty good. PA sports some of the finer events during the season on the east coast, as does D.C. and Maryland. You just have to remember that footbag has not yet blown up on the east coast as it has done on the west. That may be why you feel the lack of footbag in PA. However, it seems that within this past year, east coast freestyle has been experiencing a huge resurgence of players and talent. This is due to more events, more people attending the events, and it also has to do with the fact that east coast freestylers have really been putting forth so much effort into improving their games this year. There are definitely some up and comers here, and maybe one day east coast freestyle will achieve the level of the west coast freestylers. So, anyways, my point is that you should attend the PA tourneys, because they do exist and they are not hard to find, and also try to attend tourneys in the surrounding states if you can. If you do, then you, yourself, will notice exactly what's in PA when it comes to footbag. You'll be contributing to the spread of the sport on the east coast. Okay, I'll shut up now. Sorry for the long drawn out email, everyone. Props to both the east and west coasts. And thanks to Steve Goldberg and Brian Kimball for the work that they do to keep the site and the list functioning. Keep it up everyone. Peace out. Lord Kay-NYFA “Soze”-Penn State Trio From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 10 16:05:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11834 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:05:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e7AFMTY27205 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001101c002df$10bda340$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: Subject: [freestyle] shoe fetish Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:24:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > although lavers are > better for playing because of the ability to cut off the 'extra layer' of > fabric so one can feel the ball better, nastases are so much better looking! > in france there were neon green-coloured and purple-coloured nastases which > looked totally smooth. lavers look like garbage compared to these > techo-colored shoes:) > > - -samuli viitanen > - -finnishredder@footbag.org Hey Sam, Perhaps there is some type of shoe fashion chat room that you could post these types of messages to. This is a freestyle list so we like things that are good for freestyle rather than looks. Ryan Mulroney PS sorry to all about the unending shaft and dolemite confusion, I posted that after being up for 42 hours working on an architecture project. I think it is straight now...(but I have been up for 49 hours this time so who knows) Shaft-symp down double down Dolemite-Symp Paradon Supadupafly-symp scorpion's tail Blackula??-symp blurrier From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 11 01:22:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12688 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:22:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4605.mail.yahoo.com (web4605.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.160]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14052 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:35:46 -0700 Message-ID: <20000811003505.26452.qmail@web4605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.78.157.15] by web4605.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:35:05 PDT Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:35:05 -0700 (PDT) From: john kingi Subject: Re: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all I know this is a long and drawn out thread, but in reply to all the "We don't get enough comps where we live" Emails. I live in New Zealand and although the footbag scene here is quite healthy and is definitely growing at a steady pace, we're lucky if we see two events a year. This is in no way a gripe About how many events we hold, its just if you want one bad enough you'll either put one on yourself or get to the ones you can get to. About 2 months ago there was a small event hield a good days ride away that 4 of us made a road trip there, we spent 2 days hitching back. So put some efort in dude, as Steve (Goldberg said either put them on yourself or get to the ones that are on. Johnny From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 11 04:43:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13070 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:43:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [128.104.50.207] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id UAA32024 (8.9.1/50); Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:31:11 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20000810202554.006e9684@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:25:54 -0500 To: "Ryan Mulroney" , From: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Subject: Re: [freestyle] shoe fetish In-Reply-To: <001101c002df$10bda340$0200a8c0@pseudo> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ryan wrote: >PS sorry to all about the unending shaft and dolemite confusion, I posted >that after being up for 42 hours working on an architecture project. I think >it is straight now...(but I have been up for 49 hours this time so who >knows) > Shaft-symp down double down > Dolemite-Symp Paradon > Supadupafly-symp scorpion's tail > Blackula??-symp blurrier > Being one who also enjoys freestyle talk on the freestyle list, I have a question that stems out of the whole symposium move thread. It might be a tad technical but it has been bothering me. Maybe Ryan or someone could answer this. When doing a symposium blurrier would both the blurry dex and the double down dexes be symposium (i.e. first dex pogo style)? I guess I am wondering if the foot that catches and sets the bag would ever touch the ground. There is a video clip on Dallas Footbag where you, Ryan, try a symposium blurrier without ever planting the set foot, i.e. first dex pogo, no plant, and straight into a symposium double down. To do a true symposium blurrier would one have to set both feet after the blurry dex and then do the symp double down, or is this move that Ryan tries in the clip an attempted symp. blurrier? Did I confuse everyone? I am basically asking if there people would consider there to be a difference between a symposium blurrier and a pogo symposium down double down.... Not that it matters because I am sure it is just a short bit of time before Ryan is hitting both. Later, Matt Kain - Madison Footbag From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 11 06:29:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13181 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:29:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000811042333.LMDQ21183.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:23:33 -0700 Message-ID: <39938031.CFDEEFF@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:25:21 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Kain Lewandowski CC: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] shoe fetish References: <3.0.2.32.20000810202554.006e9684@students.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matthew Kain Lewandowski wrote: > > When doing a symposium blurrier would both the blurry dex and > the double down dexes be symposium (i.e. first dex pogo style)? Nope. As far as I know, pogo *never* gets the symposium ADD. It is just a stylistic thing. Now, the question is: would these be counted as two unique moves? Hmmm... -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 11 06:31:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13194 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:31:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f213.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.213]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21458 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:39:58 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:39:16 -0700 Received: from 211.38.59.33 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.38.59.33] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 04:39:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000811003505.26452.qmail@web4605.mail.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2000 04:39:16.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B59B450:01C0034E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Johnny wrote: >I live in New Zealand and although the footbag scene >here is quite healthy and is definitely growing at a >steady pace, we're lucky if we see two events a year. Yah, well try living in a country where there are NO tournaments, and one club, started a few weeks ago... It's fun to see this sport grow, but this playing in (semi-)isolation thing gets old after a few years. On the other hand, this sport has grown so much even since I started playing... it's rather amazing that one could go just about anywhere now and find someone who plays. I know I'm doing my best to help spread the addiction, I just wish someone had already done so before I arrived :P -Andrew P.S. To Ryan, I found in college that inserting time to sleep in those marathon sessions tends to increase both your productivity and the quality of the work you pump out. At any rate hopefully your still finding time to shred :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 11 06:32:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13205 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:32:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from yahoo.com ([24.67.226.235]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000811051806.EXTY22841.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@yahoo.com> for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:18:06 -0700 Message-ID: <39938C76.31715C1E@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:17:42 -0700 From: Curtis Vogt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] grabs??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Has anyone ever thought of doing grabs when you bust it? (I know somebody's probably thought of it)... we've all seen skatebaorders and rollerbladers an such do grabs and it's pretty sweet. Could it be a possibility for footbag? ie. grab your foot when you do an ariel move. Now, I tried it today, and I'll admit it looks like crap, but it adds a definate difficulty to doing otherwise simple moves... anyone have any comments? Curtis From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 11 06:33:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13216 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:33:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04626 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:54:59 -0700 Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu (bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by mailjay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12369 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:54:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:54:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Sean Wingert To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Jeff Cummings and JDC Productions present Shredded Documents Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everybody, Jeff Cummings has asked me to tell everyone about a new footbag freestyle videotape that he made under JDC Productions. In production value, it is close to Raw Shred, with professional mixing equipment and high-quality video and audio output. In shred quality, it is also quite good, with several great strings by Ryan Mulroney, "Big Add" Chad, Sunil Jani, and many others to keep your eyes plenty bugged out for a long time. I saw a copy of it about 2 weeks ago, was very impressed, and would definately recommend it to anyone interested. For more complete information, please visit http://www.geocities.com/jdcprd/all_media_productions.html Thanks, Sean From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 11 07:05:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13276 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:05:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f116.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.116]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25216 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:18:33 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:17:52 -0700 Received: from 24.226.208.194 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.226.208.194] From: "Kavin Thiffault" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Symposium Twirl ? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:17:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2000 06:17:52.0456 (UTC) FILETIME=[E161BC80:01C0035B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi fellow kickers, If Twirl is a reverse swirl bailed to an osis, then a symposium twirl would be possible? Does anyone had ever hit it ? Thank you Kavin Thiffault From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 11 16:14:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13754 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:14:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05971 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:20:02 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna85.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.96]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA72432 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:19:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000811081426.00aee5f0@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:19:46 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: Re: [freestyle] grabs??? In-Reply-To: <39938C76.31715C1E@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Curtis Vogt wrote: >Has anyone ever thought of doing grabs when you bust it? Of course we've thought of doing grabs. . .but it doesn't seem to add much to your style because you can't go that big in footbag. The sport just doesn't lend itself well to grabs, in my humble opinion . But I guess if you make your way to BAP and start throwing in grabs, it'll catch on somehow. Alex "Integer" -Penn State Trio From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 11 17:17:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14281 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:17:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:32:50 -0700 Received: from 24.67.224.13 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.67.224.13] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: fezzik.geo@yahoo.com, freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] grabs??? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:32:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39938C76.31715C1E@yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2000 06:32:50.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[F87394A0:01C0035D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org No comment Man O War >From: Curtis Vogt >To: freestyle@list.footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] grabs??? >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:17:42 -0700 > >Has anyone ever thought of doing grabs when you bust it? (I know >somebody's probably thought of it)... we've all seen skatebaorders and >rollerbladers an such do grabs and it's pretty sweet. Could it be a >possibility for footbag? ie. grab your foot when you do an ariel move. > >Now, I tried it today, and I'll admit it looks like crap, but it adds a >definate difficulty to doing otherwise simple moves... anyone have any >comments? > >Curtis From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 11 17:18:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14291 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:18:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f131.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.131]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25714 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:36:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:36:01 -0700 Received: from 24.67.224.13 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.67.224.13] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: fezzik.geo@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Kelowna shred Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:36:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39928301.98347441@yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2000 06:36:01.0129 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A480D90:01C0035E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Im in, since I am in the KFC :) be nice to get some other stylers and maybe even a few open guys (cmon Wulff!!) Later eh? Man O War >From: Curtis Vogt >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Kelowna shred >Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:25:05 -0700 > >Ok, here's the scoop... I am going to a wedding on the day of the world >freestyle finals, so I'm not exactly gonna make it out. Although >weddings are nice and all, I'm really pissed off that I can't come. SO >instead of going, I thought maybe I could bring a little piece of the >worlds to me! :) You see, Kelowna is about 3 and a half hours east of >Vancouver, and is totally beautiful. Sooooo, I figured if there was >gonna be shredders travelling through the area, coming home from worlds, >maybe you could make a short stop in K-town for a shred session??? >Kelowna's footbag scene is very weak, and the KFC is small, but >existing. Now, nothing big is planned yet, but if you are interested >and are travelling through the area, and would want to shred (This would >be Monday the 21st) LET ME KNOW!!! > >I realize people are travelling a lot already, and probably spending a >pretty penny, and I understand if you don't want to come out of your >way, but if you're passing through anyway.... would it be that tough to >do? I neeeeeeed this to happen. thanks kids. > >Curtis > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 11 18:48:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14453 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:48:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14805 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:09:49 -0700 Received: from spike.excite.com ([199.172.152.97]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000811180908.IYGY25214.bucky.excite.com@spike.excite.com> for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:09:08 -0700 Message-ID: <13706885.966017348173.JavaMail.imail@spike.excite.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:09:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Allan Haggett Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symposium Twirl ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.232.148.184 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Kavin Thiffault wrote: >If Twirl is a reverse swirl bailed to an osis, then a symposium >twirl would be possible? Does anyone had ever hit it ? I have:) Allan K. Haggett http://members.home.com/freestylefootbag _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 11 23:00:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14713 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:00:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA11919; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:18:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Adrian Verhoef To: Curtis Vogt cc: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] grabs??? In-Reply-To: <39938C76.31715C1E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Curtis Vogt wrote: > Has anyone ever thought of doing grabs when you bust it? (I know > somebody's probably thought of it)... we've all seen skatebaorders and > rollerbladers an such do grabs and it's pretty sweet. Could it be a > possibility for footbag? ie. grab your foot when you do an ariel move. I haven't tried any grabs but I've tried another new concept that I don't think I've seen freestylers do: try doing freestyle tricks off ledges onto the ground. Its dangerous but fun. Awhile ago, I landed a pdx symp whirl off a 2 foot ledge onto the cement. Hell for the knees, but what a load of fun. You can also try symp mirages onto curbs too. This is probably part of the reason I'm injured right now:-) Adrian Verhoef -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 11 23:00:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14724 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:00:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA17331 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:06:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 12070 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2000 19:06:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000811190608.12069.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.84] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:06:08 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] grabs??? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Curtis Vogt wrote: > Has anyone ever thought of doing grabs when you bust > it? LOL, the first thing I thought of when reading this is... DLO Toe Grab. Im gonna try it just for fun. :) Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Aug 12 06:12:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA15393 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:12:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15390 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 06:12:05 -0700 Received: from fep2.excitehome.net (fep2.excitehome.net [24.0.26.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03682 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:37:14 -0700 Received: from [24.16.28.189] ([24.16.24.54]) by fep2.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000812053657.GRFS15061.fep2.excitehome.net@[24.16.28.189]> for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:36:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:37:02 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Worlds2000 freestyle addendum, incl. shred rules! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Folks, I'm writing this for Rich (Chard) Cook, the director for this year's freestyle event. I hope everyone realizes I'm not on staff this year and doesn't ask me questions. :-) (1) I'll be leading off the freestyle judging meeting and announcing during finals, but otherwise I am not on staff this year. (2) REMEMBER -- competitors in freestyle MUST attend the mandatory freestyle players' meeting (aka the Judging Clinic) at 6pm on Wednesday evening at Nevermind (details are on the website). The players' party (for everyone, not just freestylers) is in the same spot, as soon as the freestyle meeting is over. Nevermind is at 3293 West 4th Ave., at Blenheim (Kitsilano district). Take Bus #4 to get there. YOU MUST BE ON TIME; competitors must sign in, and any players not present by 6:05pm will be scratched. (So plan to get there at 5:30 if you want to be safe. Food is available there, so don't take time to go eat first.) Players who did not check in on Monday may check in at this meeting. However, no late registration is available, so if you haven't already registered, and can't make the Monday registration, please don't expect to compete. (3) Freestyle shred -- there will be *2* rounds of shred. This is a final decision. Both rounds will be at the end of the day. The first round will be Thursday. The second will be Friday. The number of players to be going on to the second round will be announced at the players' meeting. The freestyle shred rules are being considered by IFC this year as an official freestyle event. Here is what we will be doing this year: shred score = ((total adds)+(uniques x adds/contacts)) (drops do not count) Players get 45 seconds starting with the first trick contact. Moves less than 3 adds don't count toward unique moves but they do count towards your contact count, adds & ratio. ---- All info here and on the website is subject to change until finalized and announced at the players' meeting on Wednesday night. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Aug 12 07:19:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15454 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:19:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f293.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.87]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32604 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:09:06 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:08:24 -0700 Received: from 205.189.152.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.11] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] coming through Toronto? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:08:24 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2000 03:08:24.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[943047B0:01C0040A] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello everyone, if anyone and I mean ANYONE! is coming through Toronto and feels like shredding, please let me know. HEY! maybe some people can pass through Toronto on their way to the Worlds. Just e-mail me in advance and I'll do my extreme best to meet you downtown. I am in DIER need to hack with some deticated people who can help my game. (hope I spelled dier right) o o \_/ Mike D | A.K.A. :(SNAKEeYES): ^ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Aug 12 07:19:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15449 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:19:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from scratchyball.mcraig.org (matt@usr14-030.provide.net [216.86.71.158]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA09659 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:30:14 -0400 (EDT) From: matt craig To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] grabs???/ledges!!! Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:15:24 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00081120263502.00865@scratchyball.mcraig.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Adrian Verhoef wrote: > I haven't tried any grabs but I've tried another new concept that I don't > think I've seen freestylers do: try doing freestyle tricks off ledges onto > the ground. Its dangerous but fun. Awhile ago, I landed a pdx symp whirl > off a 2 foot ledge onto the cement. Hell for the knees, but what a load > of fun. You can also try symp mirages onto curbs too. Been there, done that. Seen people doing symp mirage among other things and its good for hitting xbd sole kicks but hell on the calves. Actually off a three or four foot drop you ought to have time for a quintuple ATW. > This is probably part of the reason I'm injured right now:-) in all likelyhood... Though I am injured for other reasons 1) LACK of stretching/warming up? (That stuff is pretty important, people tell me) -- MichiganFootbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 13 06:50:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17001 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 06:50:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA30588 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:19:28 -0700 Received: (qmail 28961 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2000 22:19:14 -0000 Received: from blndi4-145-253-076-058.arcor-ip.net (HELO quarktasche) (145.253.76.58) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2000 22:19:14 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c004ab$3b97d9a0$3a4cfd91@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] coming through Toronto? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:18:22 +0200 Organization: Schmidt Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, > I am in DIER need to hack with some > deticated people who can help my game. (hope I spelled dier right) And I feel the same way. Isn't there anybody willing to come to Frankfurt for the German Footbag Freestyle Battle??? Last year the Finns came, but didn't shred, so this year it's your turn, Americans! Or does maybe anyone want to visit the wonderful (??) city of Berlin??? Waiting for cool shredders....... Matthias.............. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 13 06:53:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA17012 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 06:53:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1705.mail.yahoo.com (web1705.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.216]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA05278 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:30:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 28608 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Aug 2000 02:30:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000813023048.28607.qmail@web1705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.254.190.238] by web1705.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:30:48 PDT Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Shaun Marques Subject: [freestyle] Whirls To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, This is just about my first post on the list (aside from talkin' to Eric Wulff and him basically teaching me tricks : ) ), and as a contrast towards the talk of amazing moves such as symp blurrier, etc., I need help with whirls. They just are forever elusive to me, and I'm hoping somebody could take the time and write a bit on how do do them. I can't seem to visualize the move right. I keep thinking that a whirl's done as if it were a regular stepping-set style move, and then I now have started to think that it's performed by the ankle circling the bag. I'm confused, and need some advice, as well as a finger pointing in the right direction. Thanks to whomever it may concern : ) Piece, Shaun M. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 16 04:25:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21353 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:25:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.7]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA16152 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2000 01:40:32 -0700 Received: (qmail 58262 invoked by alias); 13 Aug 2000 08:40:20 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 58244 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2000 08:40:19 -0000 Received: from pdialup204.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (209.181.68.204) by dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2000 08:40:19 -0000 Message-ID: <39965E9A.CFBCEBF3@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 02:38:50 -0600 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pixie set butterfly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org WHat is the move name of this move? toe [set] > same in [dex] > no plant while [bod?] > op out [dex] > op clip [del] Is it a symposium pixie butterfly and how many adds is it worth? I hit it yesterday kind of by accident... I felt cool. M@ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 16 04:29:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21383 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:29:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32471 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:18:30 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna40.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.51]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA73808 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:18:17 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000815171334.00ab9a60@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:18:11 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Flux variation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What up, freestylers? I guess everyone is having the time of their lives right now at worlds. . .poor me, couldn't make it. I have a question about Eric Windsor's video "just shred." I just got it in the mail today. . .and I'm watching a segment of Ryan Mulroni in front of this weird white painted background. He does a gyro set, and then throws either a symposium torque or a symposium flux. Any idea what it is? Not that big apple isn't gross, but I'd be thoroughly more disgusted if he pulled gyro symposium flux. Either way, super propz to you, Ryan. Most propz to everyone else on this video so far as well. . .I don't know who it was (I'm not too familiar with the faces), but this awesome freestyler pulls blurrier to flurry in a segment earlier in the video with Lon Smith and Ryan Mulroni. Damn. . .and this is old footage. Integer -Penn State Trio From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 16 04:30:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21396 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:30:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1702.mail.yahoo.com (web1702.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.213]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA32719 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:33:38 -0700 Message-ID: <20000815223326.28588.qmail@web1702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.254.191.160] by web1702.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:33:26 PDT Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:33:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Shaun Marques Subject: [freestyle] An idea... To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my cry for help: I went to the local pool (due to the flat ground they've got goin') and started schoolin', and it's coming along more easily. Once again, thanks! But the main portion of this E-mail goes to an idea I (maybe someone else might have thought of it too) have come up with. This mainly goes to Steve G., since he keeps the site going. Idea: Freestyle Chat. I mean, Job's notation was proposed to allow stylers to write down moves more easily.. and chatting would be a lot less painstaking than E-mail and keeping up with it. I don't know if it costs anything (Webmaster's fee and whatnot) but, hey, it's an idea. Piece, Shaun M. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 16 04:31:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21407 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 04:31:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from 208.223.204.123 ([208.223.204.123]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02060 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:32:02 -0700 Received: from antisocial.com [208.223.204.123] by 208.223.204.123 (SMTPD32-6.00) id A309A6C00FA; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:40:41 -0500 Message-ID: <57052000831604041484@antisocial.com> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 4 X-EM-Registration: #01E0520310450300B900 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: My Own Email v4.00 alpha From: "sean diakiw" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] lavers at worlds Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:40:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm at an internet cafe in vancouver right now. I thought I should ask, does anyone have any extra lavers, or did anyone bring an unwanted pair to worlds. I would like to get a pair while I am here in vancouver. I am between a size 8 and 9.5 . thanks, sean From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 16 17:49:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22209 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:49:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06589 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:22:16 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna29.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.40]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA64908 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:22:03 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000816001928.00b42b10@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:21:56 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie set butterfly In-Reply-To: <39965E9A.CFBCEBF3@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Wafaie wrote: >WHat is the move name of this move? > >toe [set] > same in [dex] > no plant while [bod?] > op out >[dex] > op clip [del] It's a pixie butterfly. Butterflies don't get a symposium add, presumably because it doesn't really add to the difficulty of the trick. Although. . .I've found that when I don't plant my foot, I usually end up hitting something that looks more like a pixie refraction. Hope this helps. Integer -Penn State Trio From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 16 17:50:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22222 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:50:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07270 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:06:40 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000816060629.RTCH21183.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:06:29 -0700 Message-ID: <399A30A4.F8203231@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:11:48 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie set butterfly References: <39965E9A.CFBCEBF3@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Wafaie wrote: > > toe [set] > same in [dex] > no plant while [bod?] > op out > [dex] > op clip [del] > > Is it a symposium pixie butterfly and how many adds is it worth? Hmmm... well. IF - and it is still an if - butterfly cannot get symposium, then this is the exact same as a regular pixie butterfly. If anything, the "symposium" part of this move makes it easier. I would count the no plant version as unique from the plant version, but I might be in the minority here. I'm very interested to see what others have to say on this topic. I would say that it is called a "pixie butterfly without planting the set leg". And, I would give it four ADDs. But, that is just me. Anyone else? -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 16 17:51:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22233 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:51:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01867 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:11:58 -0700 Received: from [24.150.5.130] (d150-5-130.home.cgocable.net [24.150.5.130]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.10.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e7GECuX15289; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:12:56 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:11:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie set butterfly From: Neil Bearse To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39965E9A.CFBCEBF3@uswest.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org on 8/13/00 04:38, Matt Wafaie at mattius@uswest.net wrote: > WHat is the move name of this move? > > toe [set] > same in [dex] > no plant while [bod?] > op out > [dex] > op clip [del] > Hey.. that sounds like a Toe set Dada Curve to me... - Neil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 16 17:51:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22244 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:51:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02117 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:09:48 -0700 Received: from r79a006587aa.hlb.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.178.150] helo=funazs) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13P4p8-0005Wr-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:09:47 -0400 Message-ID: <004201c00793$39df5b20$03000004@hlb.cable.rcn.com> Reply-To: "Mike Furnari" From: "Mike Furnari" To: References: <39965E9A.CFBCEBF3@uswest.net> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie set butterfly Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:04:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all Matt wrote: > toe [set] > same in [dex] > no plant while [bod?] > op out > [dex] > op clip [del] > > Is it a symposium pixie butterfly and how many adds is it > worth? I hit it yesterday kind of by accident... I felt > cool. i think every "beginner" hits this move and then posts something about it on the list. I did a few months back, and i didnt get a clear answer. so i think we should name it or something but what do i know. Mike Furnari From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 18 05:50:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24645 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 05:50:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from davisbrody.com (mail.davisbrody.com [205.253.194.181]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01150 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:43:09 -0700 Received: from davisbrody.com [209.73.237.244] by davisbrody.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.04) id A161B0020156; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:45:53 EDT Message-ID: <399AE0B5.B29E43A0@davisbrody.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:43:01 -0400 From: Bruce Dole X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie set butterfly References: <39965E9A.CFBCEBF3@uswest.net> <399A30A4.F8203231@dallasfootbag.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Footfolks, How about "Papa curve"? The "P" is for pixie? Too stoopid (like dumb), Sunil? Maybe. Probably. Definitely no symposium add, so it's still worth 4 adds. Toe set dada is from the opposite toe, like toe set drifter etc., so it's not that. As far as pixie symposium moves go, I'd like to see pixie PS whirl...(5 adds?) OK back to work... Bruce Derric Scalf wrote: > Matt Wafaie wrote: > > > > toe [set] > same in [dex] > no plant while [bod?] > op out > > [dex] > op clip [del] > > > > Is it a symposium pixie butterfly and how many adds is it worth? > > Hmmm... well. IF - and it is still an if - butterfly cannot get > symposium, then this is the exact same as a regular pixie butterfly. > > If anything, the "symposium" part of this move makes it easier. I would > count the no plant version as unique from the plant version, but I might > be in the minority here. I'm very interested to see what others have to > say on this topic. > > I would say that it is called a "pixie butterfly without planting the > set leg". And, I would give it four ADDs. But, that is just me. > Anyone else? > > -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 18 06:02:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24678 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:02:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03557 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:25:44 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000817032543.ZOXM21183.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:25:43 -0700 Message-ID: <399B5C86.78BE47A2@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:31:18 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] mirage confusion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It seems that there has been a bit of confusion about toe set moves that start with mirage. Dada, ripwalk, blur, torque, drifter, etc, etc, all start with a mirage dex. If you set any of these moves from toe, they still MUST start with a mirage dexterity. So, pixie butterfly is *never* a dada or ripwalk by any stretch of the imagination. Why? Because pixie is not mirage. Here's the notation. Pixie butterfly: toe > SAME in [dex] > op out [dex] > op clip Ripwalk: set > OP in [dex] > op out [dex] > op clip The only difference is that the first dex is done with the set foot in pixie moves while the first dex is done with the support leg in miraging moves. Make sense? On a related topic, pixie opposite clipper is *not* a whirl. Toe set whirl is just like a clipper set whirl: set > op in > op clip I just don't want everyone getting confused by the misinformation that has been floating around lately. If you have any questions, concerns or disagreements with what I have said here, let me know with some private email. Cool? -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 18 06:08:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24699 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:08:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f55.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.55]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03238 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:10:38 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:08:07 -0700 Received: from 128.214.152.202 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.214.152.202] From: "Samuli Viitanen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie set butterfly Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:08:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <399A30A4.F8203231@dallasfootbag.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2000 19:08:07.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A446CA0:01C0087E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Wafaie wrote: > > > > toe [set] > same in [dex] > no plant while [bod?] > op out > > [dex] > op clip [del] > > > > Is it a symposium pixie butterfly and how many adds is it worth? Derric Scalf answered: > > >Hmmm... well. IF - and it is still an if - butterfly cannot get >symposium, then this is the exact same as a regular pixie butterfly. > >If anything, the "symposium" part of this move makes it easier. I would >count the no plant version as unique from the plant version, but I might >be in the minority here. I'm very interested to see what others have to >say on this topic. > >I would say that it is called a "pixie butterfly without planting the >set leg". And, I would give it four ADDs. But, that is just me. >Anyone else? hi. i definitely agree. it's a pixie butterfly with no plant with the setting foot (4 adds).. it isn't a toe set dada curve like neil bearse suggested it to be (though it looks so much like it.. i also first thought it was a dada curve when i saw it hit). a toe set dada curve would be like this: toe [set] > op in [dex] > no plant while > op out |dex] > op clip [xbd] [del] hope i've got it right. it also could be named as a different move due to the 'no-plant-while' in the move... -samuli viitanen ps. which city was chosen to host the 2001 world footbag champinoships? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 18 17:41:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25579 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:41:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f181.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.181]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22783 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:16:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 06:13:59 -0700 Received: from 211.38.59.33 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.38.59.33] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] mirage confusion Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:13:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <399B5C86.78BE47A2@dallasfootbag.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2000 13:13:59.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BAB48F0:01C00916] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derric wrote: >So, pixie butterfly is *never* a dada or ripwalk by any stretch of the >imagination. Why? Because pixie is not mirage. SO, here's a question, what is the popular opinion about when the set makes a unique move. It seems the standard line was that except for Paradox moves the same move from different sets, was still the same move. So paradon, double over down, and barfly are considered the same move, even though double switchover, double around the world, and reaper are considered different moves. Drifter from toe or clipper are considered the same, but pixi opp clipper is different (even though it feels more like a clipper set drifter than a drifter set from a toe does) Obviously consensus plays a bigger role here than any actual rule. So let's hear (read), what players think, when does a set make a move unique. Just curious, honest, not trying to start any big debate. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 20 04:12:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27900 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 04:12:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA04024 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:06:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 21769 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2000 00:09:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000819000938.21768.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [63.14.191.108] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:09:38 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:09:38 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] mirage confusion and footbag videos To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Andrew McCargar > So paradon, > double over down, and barfly are considered the same > move, NO, these are unique. They all feel VERY different from each other, and they have different job's, they even have their own names!!! > Drifter from toe or clipper are > considered the same, SAYS WHO?!?! These are unique bro. Who's feeding you all this crap?!? If two moves have a different notation, they are unique. BAM! You wouldent call gyro butterfly a spinning butterfly would ya? You wouldent call a haze a flurry would ya? You wouldent call a stepping torque a barraque would ya? I could go on, but I dont wanna. Peace, Jamez P.S. I now have all the equipment I need to put vids on the net. I need to get permission from some other players I have on tape thanx to Dan Klokow. That is, if he doesent have any objection to me useing his footage. How bout it Dan? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 21 18:39:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30237 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:39:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f34.hotmail.com [216.32.181.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00559 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:16:27 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:13:55 -0700 Received: from 24.200.96.76 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.96.76] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] mirage confusion and footbag videos Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:13:55 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000819000938.21768.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2000 04:13:55.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E4A71D0:01C00A5D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Risden wrote: > > Drifter from toe or clipper are > > considered the same, > >SAYS WHO?!?! These are unique bro. Who's feeding you >all this crap?!? If two moves have a different >notation, they are unique. drifter toe set and clipper set have the same notation: set > op in > same clip does crispy style and original make two different move? (ex: torque and stepping op osis) they have the same notation... Danny From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 21 18:40:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30244 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:40:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01196 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 00:50:36 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000820044834.ZBLE21183.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:48:34 -0700 Message-ID: <399F64A6.ED43D398@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 23:55:02 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] mirage confusion and footbag videos References: <20000819000938.21768.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > --- Andrew McCargar wrote: > > > Drifter from toe or clipper are > > considered the same, and then James Risden wrote: > > SAYS WHO?!?! These are unique bro. Who's feeding you > all this crap?!? If two moves have a different > notation, they are unique. BAM! Hold up holmes... you answered your own question. You say: "If two moves have a different notation, they are unique". You are right on that. Here's where you went wrong. Drifter is: set > op in > same clip In other words, "set" could mean clipper, toe, heel, outside, inside, sole, knee, etc. Moves can be set from a lot of different places. That does not give them unique Job's notations. If you want to post things to the list, make sure you know what you are posting. I don't want everyone to get confused by this stuff. It really isn't that hard if you learn a few basic rules. Rule number one: "The set doesn't matter". And, with all good things, there are exceptions to the rules. If you want to talk them over with me or anyone else that posts stuff, do it on a one on one basis. That way, people won't get confused over the little details. Cool? -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 21 18:42:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30283 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:42:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from norm.mscd.edu (norm.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19538 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:12:02 -0700 Received: from localhost by norm.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0FZM00C012WN0A@norm.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:09:59 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:09:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] mirage confusion In-reply-to: <20000819000938.21768.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> To: James Risden Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, James Risden wrote: > SAYS WHO?!?! These are unique bro. Who's feeding you > all this crap?!? If two moves have a different > notation, they are unique. BAM! You wouldent call > gyro butterfly a spinning butterfly would ya? You > wouldent call a haze a flurry would ya? You wouldent > call a stepping torque a barraque would ya? I could > go on, but I dont wanna. Whoa there partner!!! Slow down a bit. There is debate about how a move is considered unique. For instance, a butterfly is a butterfly is a butterfly is a butterfly. Meaning there are 4 ways to hit a butterfly (excluding dropping in). They all have different notation but are unique only twice. That's when they are done once on each side. Mirage is set 2 ways excluding drop in and the notation is different for each one. Throw a same leg double dex in them and all of a sudden they are unique, 4 different moves. Paradon, double over down, down double down, and barfly. Then each of those four moves is unique once on each side. Now Barroque/Gravedigger and Flurry/Haze have the same notaion with the exception that the word "plant" ought to be included to differentiate them. So I've been gone for a while, but that's how I understand it. The Why's are beyond me. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 21 18:42:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30288 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:42:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from norm.mscd.edu (norm.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19588 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 18:14:46 -0700 Received: from localhost by norm.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0FZM00C013181R@norm.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:12:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:12:44 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] What Happened at Worlds To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was so depressed all week and I need someone to make it all better. How about some highlights? Who did what in competition? I need a fix. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 21 18:44:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30321 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:44:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20956 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 20:02:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 14597 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2000 00:05:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000821000537.14596.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [63.14.88.222] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:05:37 PDT Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:05:37 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] mirage confusion To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Brad Kaplan wrote: > For instance, a > butterfly is a butterfly is a > butterfly is a butterfly. Meaning there are 4 ways > to hit a butterfly > (excluding dropping in). They all have different > notation but are unique > only twice. That's when they are done once on each > side. Mirage is set 2 > ways excluding drop in and the notation is different > for each one. > Throw a same leg double dex in them and all of > a sudden they are > unique, 4 different moves. Paradon, double over > down, down double down, > and barfly. Then each of those four moves is unique > once on each side. Ahhhh, I see. Now I know. I dont like it though. These moves have to be skooled separate. Skooling paradon really doesent make barfly, double down, or down double down any easier. (not much anyway) > Now Barroque/Gravedigger and Flurry/Haze have > the same notaion with > the exception that the word "plant" ought to be > included to differentiate > them. > So I've been gone for a while, but that's how I > understand it. The > Why's are beyond me. One more question. Does the plant have to be between 2 dex's? Or, is pdx whirl with and without plant considered unique? That would be stomping, right? Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 21 18:45:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30333 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:45:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f82.hotmail.com [209.185.131.145]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23766 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:47:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 19:45:07 -0700 Received: from 203.23.72.3 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.23.72.3] From: "Brendan Erskine" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Frigid osis Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 02:45:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2000 02:45:07.0826 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1334520:01C00B19] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I know that frigid osis variations are a rather useless(novelty) range of moves, however i have a few small questions relating to these variations. Are there any particular names given to moves such as; diving/ducking frigid osis, reverse miraging frigid osis, switchover frigid osis, pogo frigid osis?, or are they just described as say: mirage bail to frigid osis? Brendan Erskine(M.F.C.) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 21 18:46:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30338 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:46:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f197.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.197]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28804 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 01:49:10 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:46:38 -0700 Received: from 205.189.152.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.11] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] X GAMES coverage Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 01:46:38 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2000 05:46:38.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C7B2740:01C00B33] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello, I just sent ESPN an e-mail proposing the addition of the sport (footbag) to the X-GAMES. I havn't received a reply yet, but it would be cool if we all got together and sent them a lot of e-mails suggesting this. It might happen if we all try hard. Anyway, I also want to know all of your views on this subject. regards... o o \_/ Mike D | A.K.A. :(SNAKEeYES): ^ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 21 18:46:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30343 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:46:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.85]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30404 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 03:19:30 -0700 Received: from user ([24.70.195.61]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000821071718.IOSN22841.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@user> for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:17:18 -0700 Message-ID: <008401c00b3f$eb5a9040$3dc34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Allan Haggett" To: Subject: [freestyle] World's 2000!! Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:17:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello!! I just got back from World's tonight and had a few things I wanted to post. First of all, to everyone who was there, THANK YOU for making this past week the most exciting, FUN, educational and coolest week of my life!! No joke, once again, my life will not be the same again for having gone to a World's. Portland in '97 gave me a taste and inspiration to last three years of skoolin', and now World's 2000 has given me the inspiration to not let another 3 years go by before I get out there and BE in the footbag community. Watch out y'all:) I'm not going to post results, everyone will know soon enough what transpired, but congratulations to all who entered and gave it their best. I didn't even make the cut into semi's after dropping *11* times in my routine:( but had a blast just trying:). I will give out some goodies though:) : The MAN Kenny Schultz showed up and showed us allllll up!! Blurry Whirling Swirl soooo clean.... BIG APPLE SAUCE!!!! oh yeah, the man had it roll off his foot 2metres in front of me!! Kenny, I know you get this a lot, but you can never get too many props: THANK YOU for continuing to be an inspiration to any and all who have ever had the *privilege* of shredding in your presence and to those who only know what you have accomplished. You are a true hero:) [sniff, sniff.... OK nuff said] Ryan Mulroney: Big Apple > SuperFly > ..... I can't remember the rest, but DAAAAMN!!! just *think* about hitting *that*... mime it through, let it sink now..... uh-huh..... Aight, the keyboard is starting to blur out[no pun intended] so I gots to go to bed, I really just wanted to be the first to post anything about it, so with that accomplished(hopefully:))....... Allan K. Haggett PS. I kinda had to leave without saying good bye to *anyone*..... slept too late after the hotel shred last night/this morning and couldn't make it to Net finals or the party tonight:( Sorry y'all... I really didn't want to be rude by ditching like that but I gots to go to work tomorrow morning and I didn't wake up till 4pm....... it won't be last y'all see of me, so for now, GOOD BYE!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 21 18:53:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30391 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:53:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30388 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:53:21 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08971 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:17:47 -0700 Received: from [24.16.29.14] ([24.16.29.50]) by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000821181740.ZDGG20342.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.29.14]> for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:17:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:17:41 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] What Happened at Worlds Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 4:12 PM -0600 8/20/00, Brad Kaplan wrote: > I was so depressed all week and I need someone to make it all >better. How about some highlights? Who did what in competition? I need >a fix. I have complete results but can't mail them out 'til tomorrow. Maybe someone else can update with highlights. This is all I have time for at the moment: Open Singles: 1. Ryan Mulroney (dropless, perfect score, broke add barrier) 2. Scott Davidson 3. Rippin' Rick Reese 4. Peter Irish 5. Eric Wulff Intermediate Singles: 1. Jere Linnanen (dropless, 14-year-old from Finland) Women's Singles: 1. Carol Wedemeyer 2. Sam Conlon I don't have much time so if you are not listed above, pardon me! I have all the results results but just don't have the time right now to type them in. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 22 18:42:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32702 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:42:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from foundationcomputing.net (foundationcomputing.org [207.160.174.55]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09866 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:40:25 -0700 Received: from [207.160.174.20] (HELO [207.160.174.20]) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with ESMTP id 93435 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:38:02 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:39:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] mirage confusion From: Derrick Fogle To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000821000537.14596.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org on 8/20/00 7:05 PM, James Risden at cloudriz@yahoo.com wrote: > These moves have to be skooled separate. Skooling > paradon really doesent make barfly, double down, or Whats good for the double-dex goose is good for the single-dex gander. I'm sure not a lot of people feel this way, but as far as I'm concerned, if each of the 4 basic double-dex butterfly varieties are considered unique, then the equivalent single-dex ones should be, too. Anything less is equivalent to regressive taxation on freestyle difficulty. ------------------------------------------ Derrick "Funky Chicken" Fogle Still studying at the Old School Footbag U From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 22 18:44:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32714 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:44:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25590 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:02:05 -0700 Received: from yahoo.com ([24.67.226.235]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000822080158.FVRU5839.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@yahoo.com> for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:01:58 -0700 Message-ID: <39A23317.12219CE8@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:00:24 -0700 From: Curtis Vogt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle list Subject: [freestyle] Sultans of Shred Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was just at worlds this past weekend (well, Thursday and Friday), and I couldn't resist buying meself a copy of SOS. Fist of all, I want to thank Eli Piltz, dave Holton, and whoever else helped make the film. I can't imagine how much time went into making it. If anyone out there is considering buying it, BUY IT!!! I also just wanted to say a big "HA HA" to the clumsy rollerblader. Anywho, this movie is amazing to watch right before you go shredding... it TOTALLY pumps you up for it. I tip my hat to all you Sultans out there... keep it up boys! Curtis PS - what exactly was that move Teva Dave hits at the end of the movie??? Stepping ducking Torque... is that a gauntlet??? Astounding!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 22 18:45:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32725 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:45:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f276.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.54]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30819 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:41:02 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 03:40:30 -0700 Received: from 211.38.59.34 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.38.59.34] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Frigid osis Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:40:30 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2000 10:40:30.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[64919680:01C00C25] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brendan Erskine wrote: >I know that frigid osis variations are a rather useless(novelty) range of >moves,... WHAT???? usless???? says who? They're only usless, if you're way too hung up on the outdated ADDs system. And at that they're usfull to point out how a whole range of moves get screwed by the system. >Are there any particular names given to moves such as; diving/ducking >frigid >osis, reverse miraging frigid osis, switchover frigid osis, pogo frigid >osis? I have heard very few names for frigid moves, although I've taken it upon myself to name quite a few of them. The standard is to say "frigid (move name)" so the moves you asked about are: frigid ducking/diving osis, frigid flux, frigid refraction? (not sure about that) and pogo frigid osis. I don't know if any of these have any special names yet, and few enough people do frigid moves there isn't much competition. My personal favorite is frigid blurry torque, which I named "supper human twisty blurry thing," (if anyone doesn't like the name, let me see you hit it and then I'll listen to other suggestions :) -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 22 18:47:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32752 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:47:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03052 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:55:59 -0700 Received: from almond.excite.com ([199.172.148.82]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000822145527.CELW25214.bucky.excite.com@almond.excite.com> for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:55:27 -0700 Message-ID: <707026.966956127443.JavaMail.imail@almond.excite.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:55:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Vince Bradley To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] worlds routines... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.118.164.17 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey hey just to clarify on what steve alluded to regarding ryan 'busting the add barrier', Ryans routine that won finals was the first singles routine in my memory that has broken the 30 point mark. the worlds judging system was originally designed to max at 30 points, 10 points for presentation, 10 for composition, 5 for difficulty ( assessed as a hundredth of the raw adds counted + the adds to contacts ratio ) and 5 for flawless execution ( 5 points for a dropless routine, negative .25 for each drops, 0 points for 20 or more ). Ryan scored a 30.007 in finals, primarily because he scored enough points greater than 5 in difficulty to make up for slightly less than perfect marks in presentation and composition. Awesome. Congrats, Ryan. l8r vince _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 22 18:49:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32763 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:49:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06070 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:31:09 -0700 Received: from spike.excite.com ([199.172.152.97]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000822173047.BTBT15197.kuku.excite.com@spike.excite.com>; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:30:47 -0700 Message-ID: <3295046.966965447217.JavaMail.imail@spike.excite.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:30:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Allan Haggett Reply-To: To: derric@dallasfootbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Big Apple Sauce Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.232.148.184 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Derric asked me about Big Apple Sauce so I'm gonna post this to the list as I'm sure a few of you are interested:) Derric, > Ok. What is a big apple sauce? Spinning Blender but instead of completing the blender part, "bail" to a Symposium Paradox Torque. As near as I can figure in jobs it'd be: set> spin[body]> op. in/out[dex]> op. in/out[dex][body]> op. osis[body][x-body][delay] sorry, I know my syntax is a little off:) It's the most f*#@d up move I've ever seen..... it took Kenny about 15 minutes explaining it and miming it through to Ryan, Peter, Sunil and co. before anyone could even really see what he was doing!![that says a lot right there!] but basically if you do a spinning blender about chest height, stop the dex from following through and jump up and perform the second dex pretty much underneath the blender leg and finish off with the op. osis, you've got Big Apple Sauce. Damn. Kenny was pretty much horizontal for both dex's and coming soooo close to nailing it. After about 10 try's I gotta give props to Ryan Mulroney for coming as close as Kenny was to pulling it out... clean dex's and all, *just* missing the osis. I think we'll have this move out on video, sealed and for everyone to see and slow-mo, rewind, repeat action in a couple of months. If I've got this wrong in any way someone *who was there* or is actually likely to really know[KENNY??? does he even read this list?], please correct me:) There were a bunch o' people that were rolling film at the time, so anyone who has seen it slow-mo and can correct me, DO IT!! It reads as 7 adds, but if the spinning paradox thing holds true for the spinning blender in there then it'd be a double paradox move and 8 adds. Allan K. Haggett http://members.home.com/freestylefootbag _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 22 19:49:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00434 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:49:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mercury.oac.uci.edu (mercury.oac.uci.edu [128.200.80.27]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07868 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:54:10 -0700 Received: from ezra (cv227023.reshsg.uci.edu [128.195.227.23]) by mercury.oac.uci.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA17057 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000d01c00c6a$560c7ea0$17e3c380@ezra> From: "eugene kim" To: References: <3295046.966965447217.JavaMail.imail@spike.excite.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Big Apple Sauce Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:54:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i dunno if it's possible, does anyone have or can anyone post a clip of someone completing the Big Apple Sauce? congrats to Ryan too..... thanks, --eug From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 23 02:13:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00948 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:13:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.org (coins0.coin.org [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10804 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:30:12 -0700 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e7MLU8018544; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:30:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:30:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Big Apple Sauce In-Reply-To: <3295046.966965447217.JavaMail.imail@spike.excite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Allan Haggett wrote: > Spinning Blender but instead of completing the blender part, "bail" to a > Symposium Paradox Torque. As near as I can figure in jobs it'd be: set> > spin[body]> op. in/out[dex]> op. in/out[dex][body]> op. > osis[body][x-body][delay] So its like a spinning blender with a sympoisum mirage thrown in before the osis part right? I have some old tape from like 96 where Kenny tries it a few times. Crazy stuff. Has it ever been sealed? Later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 23 02:14:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00960 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:14:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from norm.mscd.edu (norm.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13679 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:06:56 -0700 Received: from localhost by norm.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0FZP06Z01XNDLR@norm.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:06:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Sultans of Shred In-reply-to: <39A23317.12219CE8@yahoo.com> To: Curtis Vogt Cc: freestyle list Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Curtis Vogt wrote: > PS - what exactly was that move Teva Dave hits at the end of the > movie??? Stepping ducking Torque... is that a gauntlet??? > Astounding!!! Blurry Ducking Torque or Stepping Ducking Paradox Torque or Miraging Ducking Paradox-Miraging Osis. Yes it was Gauntlet! Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 23 02:14:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00971 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:14:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from norm.mscd.edu (norm.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13714 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:08:24 -0700 Received: from localhost by norm.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0FZP06Z01XPYNH@norm.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:08:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:08:22 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] mirage confusion In-reply-to: To: Derrick Fogle Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Derrick Fogle wrote: > Whats good for the double-dex goose is good for the single-dex gander. I'm > sure not a lot of people feel this way, but as far as I'm concerned, if each > of the 4 basic double-dex butterfly varieties are considered unique, then > the equivalent single-dex ones should be, too. Anything less is equivalent > to regressive taxation on freestyle difficulty. I agree 100%! Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 23 02:14:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00982 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:14:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from norm.mscd.edu (norm.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13881 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:13:54 -0700 Received: from localhost by norm.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0FZP06Z01XZ4UK@norm.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:13:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:13:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] mirage confusion In-reply-to: <20000821000537.14596.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> To: James Risden Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, James Risden wrote: > > One more question. Does the plant have to be between > 2 dex's? Or, is pdx whirl with and without plant > considered unique? That would be stomping, right? I'm not sure what you mean by the plant thing because you ask about 2 dexes then follow it with a one dex trick. If the question is about a stomping move vs. a non stomping move then I'm not sure whether it's unique or not. I might judge it that way but the stomp would have to be quite pronounced. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 23 02:15:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00993 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:15:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from norm.mscd.edu (norm.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13978; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:19:02 -0700 Received: from localhost by norm.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0FZP07001Y7O2U@norm.mscd.edu>; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:19:00 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Big Apple Sauce In-reply-to: <3295046.966965447217.JavaMail.imail@spike.excite.com> To: allan@footbag.org Cc: derric@dallasfootbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm trying really hard to visualize this. Would it be a Spinning Paradox Barroque? That's what it read like anyway. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 23 04:54:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01461 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 04:54:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.85]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17308 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:33:13 -0700 Received: from user ([24.70.195.61]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000823023305.EKUX22841.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@user> for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:33:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c00caa$84fe3600$3dc34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Allan Haggett" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Big Apple Sauce Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:33:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey again, It would appear as though I kinda messed up my explanation a lil' bit. This is to hopefully clarify further: The first dex is happening with the opposite foot that sets the bag[i.e. spinning paradox blender **I guess I didn't really make the initial paradox part clear in my post] After this dex takes place, instead of catching the blender the *opposite* foot comes off the ground and performs a paradox miraging-like dex; after that, the leg that just performed the last dex lands again[hence the symposium] and you catch the footbag with the leg that did the original blender-like dex and continue that movement into the osis that would have taken place if you had followed through with the blender. Better? Allan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 23 06:51:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA01702 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:51:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA19634 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:46:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 27774 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2000 04:45:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000823044559.27773.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [63.14.207.213] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:45:59 PDT Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:45:59 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Big Apple Sauce To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Brad Kaplan wrote: > I'm trying really hard to visualize this. > Would it be a Spinning > Paradox Barroque? That's what it read like anyway. > > Later, > Brad I think its a big apple with a pdx miraging dex before the symp torque. spinning paradox miraging op symposium torque...or somthing:) WARNING: Ive been known for giving bogus info that I THOUGHT I was 99.9% sure of...:) Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 23 18:57:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02608 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:57:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f291.hotmail.com [209.185.130.230]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21359 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:20:36 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 23:20:04 -0700 Received: from 203.23.72.1 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.23.72.1] From: "Brendan Erskine" To: damocles_schwert@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Frigid osis Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:20:03 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2000 06:20:04.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D0A22E0:01C00CCA] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Andrew McCargar wrote: >Brendan Erskine wrote: > >>I know that frigid osis variations are a rather useless(novelty) range of >>moves,... > >WHAT???? usless???? says who? They're only usless, if you're way too hung up >on the outdated ADDs system. And at that they're usfull to point out how a >whole range of moves get screwed by the system. I only said they were useless in terms of freestyle tricks strings. Like flapper and sole variations, i enjoy using frigid osis tricks as 'show-off' moves or to add variation. However, unlike more talented shredders i cannot fluently link frigid osis which leads to their omition from trick strings. I do agree that such moves are dearly neglected by many freestylers. Brendan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 23 18:58:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02613 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:58:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from foundationcomputing.net (foundationcomputing.org [207.160.174.55]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA32371 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:23:09 -0700 Received: from [4.3.96.97] (HELO [4.3.96.97]) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with ESMTP id 94243 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 03:20:41 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:22:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] mirage confusion From: Derrick Fogle To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org on 8/22/00 7:13 PM, Brad Kaplan at kaplanb@mscd.edu wrote: > stomping move vs. a non stomping move then I'm not sure whether it's > unique or not. I might judge it that way but the stomp would have to be > quite pronounced. And now that Worlds is over and there won't be any worlds-style judging going on for awhile, I will point out that YOU (that means all of you, not just Brad) have the right as a judge to decide whether or not one move is different from another. There are generally recognized guidelines, but as long as you are properly reverent about those guidelines and apply your judging criteria consistently on an entire pool of competitors, you do have the right, and the responsibility, to recognize and reward truly unique movements. A paradox mirage set at knee height is not the same move as a paradox mirage set over one's head. (IMHO) ------------------------------------------ Derrick "Funky Chicken" Fogle Still studying at the Old School Footbag U From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 23 18:59:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02630 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:59:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01591 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:58:34 -0700 Received: from almond.excite.com ([199.172.148.82]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000823145823.CQEJ21848.kuku.excite.com@almond.excite.com> for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:58:23 -0700 Message-ID: <6743039.967042703333.JavaMail.imail@almond.excite.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:58:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Vince Bradley To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Big Apple Sauce Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.118.164.17 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey gang. the simplest explanation i ever heard for big applesauce was that it wasa blurry version of the big apple. big apple is symposium mobius. meanign on the set, you plant the set leg, and then do a spinning symposium torque ( gyro direction spin ). to add 'the sauce', throw in a quick in-to-out dexterity with the non symp leg before starting the sympoisum torque dexterity. in the end, since the around the world type dext is done with the leg that finishes with an osis, it ends up looking like a spinning blender with the symp. torque dext. charging through the blender dexterity. but it is a gyro blurry symposium torque. aigh. i think i cracked my vocabulary. l8r vince _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 23 19:00:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02643 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:00:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02011 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:16:20 -0700 Received: from almond.excite.com ([199.172.148.82]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000823151604.CGRQ7276.fortune.excite.com@almond.excite.com> for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:16:04 -0700 Message-ID: <2988106.967043764292.JavaMail.imail@almond.excite.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:16:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Vince Bradley To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] style vids Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.118.164.17 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey hey i'm ( finally ) on the market for some new freestyle vids. please respond to me directly and individually with any recommendations, solicitations, and offers as you please. my current library is incredibly outdated, and of extremely poor quality- i think the last tape i obtained that was current was the OMSI jam ( virtually ancient). i'll need to know current prices, and whats available. sorry for posting this to the list, but i'm curious to know how many video vendors are out there, what people dig, and what people are willing to do to update the stats man. again, please respond to me individually and not to the list. l8r procrastan8r _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 23 19:04:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02671 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:04:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02668 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:04:25 -0700 Received: from fep2.excitehome.net (fep2.excitehome.net [24.0.26.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06911 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:28:43 -0700 Received: from [24.16.29.203] ([24.16.28.109]) by fep2.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000823182836.QCSS15061.fep2.excitehome.net@[24.16.29.203]> for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:28:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:28:38 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Frigid osis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 6:20 AM +0000 8/23/00, Brendan Erskine wrote: >However, unlike more talented shredders i cannot fluently link >frigid osis which leads to their omition from trick strings. Comma missing after shredders. "I" should be capitalized. "Omission" is spelled wrong. Please use a spell checker before posting to the list. Otherwize pepole embariss themselfs on a list hundrids of memberes. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 23 20:16:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02876 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:16:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Glenn Gentzke Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07517 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:54:47 -0700 Received: from BoZGrind@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id z.42.9d26960 (9819) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42.9d26960.26d577cd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:54:05 EDT Subject: [freestyle] about Ryan's missing stuff To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org To those of you who are in on the dissapearing of Ryan's stuff: Yesterday i signed on to AOL and Matt Cross sent me a message. So we started talking and then he told me about what happened to Ryan Mulroney's stuff (that his clothes, footbags, and shoes were stolen). He then told me that my friend and I were accused of taking it, largly due to the fact that we came without Rod Lavers, soccer shorts, or good footbags, and because we left somewhat suddenly (didn't I say goodbyes when I was with Red with him in the hotel rooms?). If you come to Holland (New York, it's 30 minutes from buffalo), where we live, and play footbag you'll notice that none of the few of us that play have good bags, or lavers, or blue adidas shorts with white stripes. we just play occasionally for fun, like circle kicks and some small stalls. jim and i are the best in the town because we're the only ones who can do some small shit. Both of us have a lot of respect for the pros and ams in the sport, especially Ryan. The last thing we would do is steal your clothes and footbags. Just because we're new to the sport and haven't spent 70$ on getting the gear, doesn't mean that we're going to travel accross the country to steal someone's stuff, we could've saved hundreds of dollars and bought a video and the shoes and shorts ourselves. i just want to make it clear that we didn't touch his stuff, or anyone elses, and that we came to support the sport and to see people that really know what they're doing. if you wanna come down here on some random day to see us playing in adidas boots and circa skate shoes with a juice and a kanga and cargo pants you can anytime. Distrust between jim and i and the rest of the known footbag world was not exactly what i thought would've come from the trip. Regardless, i wish the best of luck to Ryan in getting his stuff back and I hope this letter cleared up some fog. And by the way, I finally got shorts and they are black with grey stripes and they are adidias and are 100% polyester; they match my red and black juice and my black, red, and grey circa skate shoes with stichting ripped only due to skateboarding, in case you were wondering. Glenn Gentzke (writing for both myself and my friend Jim Pratt) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 24 07:24:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03803 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:24:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f48.hotmail.com [216.32.181.48]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17602 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:13:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:13:23 -0700 Received: from 154.5.63.179 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [154.5.63.179] Reply-To: TheMouse@footbag.org From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New video is out! Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:13:22 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2000 04:13:23.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4BE6FA0:01C00D81] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, First thing to say, Worlds 2k was great!! Met some new and interesting people and I got a hell of a lot of footage!! Thanks to those who were sympathetic with me (which was pretty much everyone). Thanks to Ken (grrr!) for mentioning my fanatic obsession with a particular show to some players. :) I'd like to send out my congrats to the newest BAP members (Jon, Lon and Toby) who were "baptized" this year too. Anyway, my reason for posting is to announce a video that Ken S. and myself made covering how well Montreal (with the exception of Ken Somolinos who is NOT from Montreal) has been shredding these past few months. The video is intitled "Shred Alert" and with the feedback I've been getting from others, it kicks butt. The whole project is 41 minutes long and was digitally edited on computer with the use of transitions (not corny ones, either!), slow motion (only on the heinest moves), superimposed titles and a great variety of music. The flick also has some comedy and has a good section of "real audio." Now, the coolest part, there are two formats of the video to choose from: VHS or CD (I think I may be the first to launch a shred CD to the public, no? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong). Both versions are the same. No shreds were removed or added but if you've ever driven yourself insane trying to find a certain shred on a VHS tape or wanted to have complete control seeing a move in slow-mo (with a clear image), you can now do it with the CD. The CD's video is in an MPEG format. (Steve? Didn't ya say you preferred MPEG?) So everyone can pretty much view it. The next best part is that both version are the same price, $15 canadian. (For those of you who got a copy at Worlds, I upped the price due to shipping and handling). Lastly, the stylers on the tape are... Yacine Merzouk Hugues Veillette Danny Cardonne Marc Giard-Lariviere Marc Conti Sebastien Duchesne Kavin Thiffault Samuel Jobin Ken Somolinos (who hits two 7's) and myself. Please, email me personally as to not annoy the freestyle list if you are interested in purchasing a copy. Thanks, Mickey Mayer P.S. Thanks go out to those who bought my tape at Worlds. Send me some of your comments. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 24 07:25:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03815 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:25:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA18308 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:42:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 25044 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2000 04:42:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000824044224.25043.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <42.9d26960.26d577cd@aol.com> Received: from [63.16.83.68] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:42:24 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:42:24 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] about Ryan's missing stuff To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Glenn Gentzke wrote: > what happened to > Ryan Mulroney's stuff > (that his clothes, footbags, and shoes were stolen). GRRRRRR!! That pisses me off! I've been to a couple of footbag "gatherings", and two things I've noticed is that a)Everyone is SUPER cool b)You can trust people, the last thing they would do is steal your shit This is one of the reasons I love footbag so much. It sickens me that someone would want to steal ANYTHING from another footbagger. Sorry to butt in, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 25 01:35:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04948 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:35:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f34.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04814 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:06:28 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:05:43 -0700 Received: from 205.189.152.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.11] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] X GAMES coverage Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:05:43 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2000 19:05:43.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D0FA8A0:01C00DFE] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello, regarding my previous e-mail about proposing footbag to the x-games, I would just like to provide all of you who would like to e-mail ESPN and help me convince them, their e-mail address (espn_inc@espn.com). now, I havn't got an e-mail back yet, but I'll let you know when I do and what they say. Once again, if everyone on the list were to e-mail them, it might happen! regards... o o \_/ Mike D | A.K.A. :(SNAKEeYES): ^ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 25 01:35:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04960 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:35:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f156.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.156]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06174 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:09:01 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:08:29 -0700 Received: from 24.67.224.12 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.67.224.12] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Dyno and Blender Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:08:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2000 20:08:29.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[11D55F10:01C00E07] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey ya'll, Im looking for tips on Dyno and Blender, since they are very similiar, except the dex is done the opposite way. Ive hit blender before a few times, but Dyno is harder and it looks just awesome. If anyone could give me a few tips on these it would be much appreciated. Thanks!! P.S. Worlds ROCKED!!! Had the time of my life for the few days I could afford to stay there, I got a lot of sweet film footage. Everyone I met there was super awesome!!! Im more addicted then ever now. Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 25 01:36:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04973 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 01:36:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08380 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:27:37 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000824212734.KNLS21183.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:27:34 -0700 Message-ID: <39A594A3.7FC91800@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:33:23 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] consecutive records Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all. Thanks to all of the people who have given input (especially Ken Somolinos), the record list on http://www.dallasfootbag.org has been updated. Look it over and let me know if you see any errors. Some highlights: Lon Smith has tied the pdx torque record at 5. Eli Piltz has linked two blurry drifters. And Paul Mestas has broken his old dyno record - it now stands at 22. For the rest of the updates, look at the list. The list is just for 3-add moves and higher, but if you have a record that needs to be added, let me know and I'll add it. As always, let me know via one on one email so we won't clutter the list... unless you think your record is worthy enough to post to the whole list... :) Take it easy. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 27 02:13:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08100 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:13:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Tom Kotsakos Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19817 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:39:58 -0700 Received: from Honycherub@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id z.9a.8dd7875 (3936) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9a.8dd7875.26d76e99@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:39:21 EDT Subject: [freestyle] full or part time? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I was just wondering how often you guys practice? My club has a session every sunday. Then we kick 2 or 3 days more a week. This all depends on the season though. I practice like an hour every day on my own too. Let me know, Tom Kotsakos Chicago Inner Circle From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 27 02:16:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08113 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 02:16:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05931 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:59:40 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id z.9d.9f1a158 (4397) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d.9f1a158.26d84625@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:59:01 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Rochester NY Shred and Ryan's Stuff To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I'm heading out to the University of Rochester for my college carreer, and if there's anyone in the area who wants to play in the next 9 months or so, you have my e-mail address. I hope to hear from someone, because I'd love to get a footbag club started at school or in the area. Thanks Matthew Cross P.S.: Chances are damn good that whoever took Ryan's stuff is reading on this list, so to whoever you are, what you did is something that we don't expect in the footbag community. However, being a laid back and forgiving group of people, I'd say chances are very good that if you just return his possessions to him, all will be forgiven. As of right now, you'll never be able to play with anyone who's serious about footbag because most of the community knows what ryan's shoes and shorts look like, and for those of you who don't, they're green-trim lavers with an R in the toe box in a superman "s" style, and the shorts are blue soccer shorts with white stripes. Correct me if I'm wrong.... the bags are Richie, but those will be harder to identify. once again, Matthew Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 27 04:15:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08490 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 04:15:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.66]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31891 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:36:23 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000827023619.FSER12208.mail.rdc1.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:36:19 -0700 Message-ID: <39A87FE1.CCAA5FDB@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:41:37 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New video clips on dallasfootbag.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone. Thanks to Jeff Cummings and Richard Abshire, the Dallas Footbag Club now has 32 new video clips up on http://www.dallasfootbag.org Just click on the video link and you can't miss them. Each of these clips are taken from JDC Productions' "Shredded Documents". For those of you who don't know, this is a very high quality tape that was put out a couple of months ago. The runs we have just posted are only a small part of the actual tape, so if you like the runs, you should look into buying the tape. All of the ordering information can be found on JDC Productions' web page - http://www.geocities.com/jdcprd/all_media_productions.html Well, enjoy the clips. ...what? You want to know my favorite? How about the second run by Daryl Genz. He hits ripwalk > pdx legbeater > pdx torque. Then, he does it again - on the other side. Pretty sweet. -Derric Dallas Footbag Club **** disclaimer **** Though the DFC has posted these video clips, we are in no way related to JDC Productions. If you want specifics on the tape, get in contact with them (web page listed above). From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 28 03:58:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09907 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:58:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f114.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.114]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14865 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:32:50 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:32:17 -0700 Received: from 24.67.224.12 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:32:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.67.224.12] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: Honycherub@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] full or part time? Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:32:17 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2000 19:32:17.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[82915760:01C0105D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Tom, Everyones different of course, but I kick everyday. Sometimes 30 min, other days when everything's clickin I shred for 2-3 hours. Its nice to see clubs having sessions. Our club in Kelowna gets together about once a week down at Gyro beach. Just remember, you can never get enough kicking in! Practise, practise, practise. Later Jeff Lopes >From: Tom Kotsakos >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] full or part time? >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:39:21 EDT > >Hi all, >I was just wondering how often you guys practice? My club has a session >every sunday. Then we kick 2 or 3 days more a week. This all depends on >the >season though. I practice like an hour every day on my own too. >Let me know, > >Tom Kotsakos >Chicago Inner Circle From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 28 04:00:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09920 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:00:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Marsha Mulroney Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"89K7ip/NKVzwuUlzMUCf5Yx5g2LUyDrEDUwYBTiEsdO8isRkt882vA=="> Received: (from yminoc@juno.com) by m10.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FGHBFTFR; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 13:00:53 EDT To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:13:11 -0700 Subject: [freestyle] a note from Marsha Mulroney Message-ID: <20000827.101311.-87243.2.yminoc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3,9-10 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org To the footbaggers who have supported Ryan, I want to say Thank you. The "things" that Ryan is missing are a very minor problem and can be corrected fairly easily. I do feel sad that the easy goingness of the footbag community has been breeched. One of the best parts of footbag tournaments is the comaraderie of the participants, that very nicely has always extended to Ryan's family. Thank you for the support you have always shown Ryan and his family. My mother, GRANDMA, especially has always been impressed by the friendliness of kickers to her. She has a healthy view of the younger generation thanks to all of you. Thank you for WHO you are and your kindness to Ryan and his family. Love, Marsha Mulroney From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 28 04:01:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09975 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:01:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f123.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.123]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03481 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:37:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:36:57 -0700 Received: from 205.188.193.28 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.193.28] From: "SPENCE DAWG BEHM" To: fezzik.geo@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Sultans of Shred Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:36:57 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2000 06:36:57.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[325EEA30:01C00FF1] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I really want to buy the video Sultans of Shred. If anyone knows where i could get a copy please e-mail me. Thanks and congrats to Ryan at worlds. later spencer behm p.s. Could someone tell me where Worlds is goin to be next year? >From: Curtis Vogt >To: freestyle list >Subject: [freestyle] Sultans of Shred >Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:00:24 -0700 > >I was just at worlds this past weekend (well, Thursday and Friday), and >I couldn't resist buying meself a copy of SOS. Fist of all, I want to >thank Eli Piltz, dave Holton, and whoever else helped make the film. I >can't imagine how much time went into making it. If anyone out there is >considering buying it, BUY IT!!! I also just wanted to say a big "HA >HA" to the clumsy rollerblader. Anywho, this movie is amazing to watch >right before you go shredding... it TOTALLY pumps you up for it. I tip >my hat to all you Sultans out there... keep it up boys! > >Curtis > >PS - what exactly was that move Teva Dave hits at the end of the >movie??? Stepping ducking Torque... is that a gauntlet??? >Astounding!!! > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 28 04:02:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10102 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:02:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f163.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.163]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02494 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:49:49 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:49:14 -0700 Received: from 152.163.207.52 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.207.52] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: Honycherub@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] full or part time? Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 22:49:14 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2000 05:49:14.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[87F88930:01C00FEA] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Hi all, >I was just wondering how often you guys practice? My club has a session >every sunday. Then we kick 2 or 3 days more a week. This all depends on >the >season though. I practice like an hour every day on my own too. >Let me know, > >Tom Kotsakos >Chicago Inner Circle > We in Los Angeles have sessions at least once if not twice a week on sat. and sunday. Individually, i try to skool 3 times week before i get to those sessions, i know big add chad does the same if not more... he never ceases to amaze me with a new move or variation. Devlahovicious indeed! later on... ~Bryan OOPS! footbag club Hermosa Beach, CA. **call us up some time to kick, so. cal is a nice place with fun in the sun** OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach: http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 29 00:10:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11515 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:10:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05380 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:14:13 -0700 Received: from [198.202.67.188] (198.202.67.188) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 28 Aug 2000 08:16:07 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:11:39 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: Re: [freestyle] X GAMES coverage Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id PAA10772 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mike Del Borrello wrote: > on ESPN --X-games and footbag > >again, if everyone on the list were to e-mail them, it might happen! > > > While footbag as an X event would be great ,I don't think footbag belongs in the x games. Footbag seems to fit into a different category of sports, where the extreme nature is not from danger, but from controll and coodination. I think a different sort of festival will eventually link up footbag with some similar sports.(eg. juggling , freestyle frisbee(flying disk?), etc 2¢ cameron From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 29 00:13:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11530 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:13:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f272.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.147]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12739 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:18:21 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 10:17:48 -0700 Received: from 209.161.42.109 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.161.42.109] From: "jim penske" To: Honycherub@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] full or part time? Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:17:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2000 17:17:48.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8E7B0B0:01C0104A] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I like to practice about 3 hours a day. 2 with friends and 1 with myself. Jim PEnske >From: Tom Kotsakos >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] full or part time? >Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:39:21 EDT > >Hi all, >I was just wondering how often you guys practice? My club has a session >every sunday. Then we kick 2 or 3 days more a week. This all depends on >the >season though. I practice like an hour every day on my own too. >Let me know, > >Tom Kotsakos >Chicago Inner Circle > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 29 00:19:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11578 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:19:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web701.mail.yahoo.com (web701.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA13010 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:31:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 5885 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2000 20:46:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000828204648.5884.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.206.196.122] by web701.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:46:48 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:46:48 -0700 (PDT) From: chris wollick Subject: [freestyle] yoda To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hi everyone!! if i do a yoda, do i have to plant after the second dex or can i do it kinda like a dada curve? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 29 15:37:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12594 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:37:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24123 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:24:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 454 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2000 05:26:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000829052604.453.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.242] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:26:04 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:26:04 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] full or part time? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Tom Kotsakos wrote: > Hi all, > I was just wondering how often you guys practice? I practice whenever I can, even if its just for like 20 minutes. Some stuff you can do without fully warming up, like blenders and swirls. Those are the ones I skool when I dont have a lot of time. By the way, Tom. Where were you on Sunday? :) Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 29 15:36:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12589 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:36:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19808 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:26:55 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G0104O015C914@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:26:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:26:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] yoda In-reply-to: <20000828204648.5884.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> To: chris wollick Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, chris wollick wrote: > hi everyone!! if i do a yoda, do i have to plant after > the second dex or can i do it kinda like a dada curve? > You have to plant or it's noda. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 29 15:50:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12640 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:50:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Ariel Santesteban Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31913 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:39:24 -0700 Received: from knuckles.excite.com ([199.172.148.179]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000829103859.EWZH24481.kuku.excite.com@knuckles.excite.com> for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:38:59 -0700 Message-ID: <12990850.967545538988.JavaMail.imail@knuckles.excite.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:38:58 -0700 (PDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] X GAMES coverage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 143.166.82.239 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:11:39 -0800, Cameron Kennedy wrote: > While footbag as an X event would be great ,I don't think footbag > belongs in the x games. Footbag seems to fit into a different category of > sports, where the extreme nature is not from danger, but from controll and > coodination. I think a different sort of festival will eventually link up > footbag with some similar sports.(eg. juggling , freestyle > frisbee(flying disk?), etc > I always thought that footbag shredstyle had some similarities with BMX freestyle FLATLAND. In both sports, there are difficult tricks that one can do, but you get mucho props for the creative way in which you can link those tricks and how smoothly you transition from one trick into the other. If you have never seen or paid much attention to FLATLAND, check it out. It does not get as much attention as the BIG AIR, but I find it much more technical and appealing. And I believe you will see the similarities with shredstyle, even though they both share a lack of recognition :( Ariel Santesteban Austin Style Footbag Club BTW: Worlds and Vancouver were awesome!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 29 16:17:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12672 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:17:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web702.mail.yahoo.com (web702.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18840 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:45:42 -0700 Received: (qmail 19085 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2000 00:45:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000829004538.19084.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.206.192.210] by web702.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:45:38 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: chris wollick Subject: Re: [freestyle] full or part time? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i just carry my bag everywhere with me and practice whenever i'm just standing around. i only bust out my shorts once (sometimes twice) a week when i kick with my homies. ;) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 29 16:29:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12696 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:29:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c1mailgw05.prontomail.com ([216.163.184.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32133 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:55:09 -0700 Received: from c1web106 (216.163.184.10) by c1mailgw05.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.1.039) id 3996CEFA001564BF for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 19:54:30 -0700 X-Version: homestead 6.0 .2425.0 From: "Frank Montanaro" Message-Id: Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:47:52 -0500 X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Is this a move? X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I was shredding today and thought of something that's sort of cool. While doing a neck catch I dropped down to the ground (in a push-up position) and then popped back up and continued it. It looks awesome! Anyways, letme know what you think, if you think it's a pretty coll move. Chill, Frank (dahacker) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 29 16:31:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12710 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:31:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12707 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:31:44 -0700 Received: from adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.123.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04528 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:55:46 -0700 Received: from bfk by adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net with local (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) id 13Tnjh-0004SA-00; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:55:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:55:41 -0700 From: "Brian F. Kimball" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this a move? Message-ID: <20000829085541.E17018@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> Mail-Followup-To: freestyle@footbag.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from megaed@homestead.com on Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 09:47:52PM -0500 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org http://www.footbag.org/gallery/show/w99-210.jpg On Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 09:47:52PM -0500, Frank Montanaro wrote: > Hey all, > I was shredding today and thought of something that's sort of > cool. While doing a neck catch I dropped down to the ground (in a > push-up position) and then popped back up and continued it. It looks > awesome! Anyways, letme know what you think, if you think it's a > pretty coll move. > Chill, > Frank (dahacker) > > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 30 03:22:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13636 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:22:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1304.mail.yahoo.com (web1304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.154]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA08132 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:05:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 11331 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2000 18:05:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000829180542.11330.qmail@web1304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.27.1.197] by web1304.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:05:42 PDT Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:05:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Jones Reply-To: janejones2000@yahoo.com Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle World Champion Ranking To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey hey, I have this idea that I'd like to propose to the list. I've been thinking about it a lot lately and think it's valid enough to have some serious consideration. The concept is that a World Champion title holder ought to be best overall at routine AND shred. I think that to be a Freestyle Singles World Champion you should have to compete as an overall competitor in both Shred and Routine. The ranking would be based on an accumilative score of the two events. You could opt to only compete in just routine or just shred, but you would hurt your accumilative score when it comes down to overall ranking. This form of competition provides a more accurate assessment of who is at the TOP of freestyle, not just who is good at executing a routine. A shredder that may hurt her/his score in routine could make up points in shred, vice-versa. As for doubles freestyle...I'm not sure how it would fit in here. This year Carol and Ryan are both awesome at Routine and Shred(even though Carol didn't compete in Shred) so it worked out fairly. Anyway, I'm not sure if I will have support on this idea from other players, but I think it is worthy of being up for discussion at the next IFC/IFAB meeting or on this list. What do you think about this? Adios, Jane From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 30 03:24:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13647 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:24:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17990; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:32:05 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G0206K01UP01H@clem.mscd.edu>; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:31:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:31:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this a move? In-reply-to: <20000829085541.E17018@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> To: "Brian F. Kimball" Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Brian F. Kimball wrote: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 09:47:52PM -0500, Frank Montanaro wrote: > > Hey all, > > I was shredding today and thought of something that's sort of > > cool. While doing a neck catch I dropped down to the ground (in a > > push-up position) and then popped back up and continued it. It looks > > awesome! Anyways, letme know what you think, if you think it's a > > pretty coll move. It would be for sure in competition. It regular shred it's definitely a Matt Churney style move. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 30 03:32:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13690 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:32:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from istvan.sednet.hu (mail@istvan.veszprem.hu [212.97.0.101]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12539 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:44:46 -0700 Received: from dial25.sednet.hu ([212.97.0.217] helo=sednet.hu) by istvan.sednet.hu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13TsFP-0001QC-00 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:44:43 +0200 Message-ID: <39AC21E1.E7A9ADA1@sednet.hu> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 22:49:37 +0200 From: Csallo Gergo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freestyle List Subject: Re: [freestyle] X GAMES coverage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I agree with Cameron Kennedy, the sport of footbag - as far as I know - belongs to the so called Alternative Sports, and not the Extreme Sports, since danger is not involved. But there's a point why "we" have a chance to see Footbag on X-Games: many guys doing extreme sports play it. A lot of skateboarders, inliners, surfers kick the bag regularly. All I can say is: hope, or organize a great festival like X-Games :) rebelkid From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 30 03:34:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13701 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:34:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14989 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:40:24 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id z.9d.a19de1c (15870) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web50.aolmail.aol.com (web50.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.11]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v75_b3.11) with ESMTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:39:45 2000 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:39:43 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this a move? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <9d.a19de1c.26dd87a1@aol.com> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Frank Montanaro wrote: > While doing a neck catch I dropped down to the ground (in a > push-up position) Strange that you mention that move. that's how I ended my routine on night #1 of intermediate freestyle, only instead of popping back up (which I CAN do ;) ) I just stayed on my belly and faced the judges and smiled with my arms out. It's a fun move, I like it. it's very styley. Matt Cross P.S.: to answer your question, in my opinion, anything you do with a footbag is a move. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 31 03:58:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15711 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:58:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f292.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.167]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23524 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:12:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:12:18 -0700 Received: from 142.166.243.13 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:12:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.166.243.13] From: "Will Gillis" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Anyone Live Here? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:12:17 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2000 03:12:18.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A9E0E30:01C01230] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does anyone who reads this live in Moncton New Brunswick, Canada? Or even in New Brunswick for that matter? Will From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 31 04:00:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15718 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 04:00:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24168 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:41:27 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (pool0119.cvx16-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.50.119]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19761 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39AC82B9.5FF5A164@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:42:49 -0700 From: Chris Pinkus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle World Champion Ranking References: <20000829180542.11330.qmail@web1304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jane Jones wrote: > Hey hey, > > I have this idea that I'd like to propose to the list. I've been > thinking about it a lot lately and think it's valid enough to have > some serious consideration. > > The concept is that a World Champion title holder ought to be best > overall at routine AND shred. That will make things more complicated. That would be like mixing Judo Kata (routine techniques) with Judo Fighting (close combat). I consider tradition very important, unless something is so bad it "needs" to be changed. > > > I think that to be a Freestyle Singles World Champion you should have > to compete as an overall competitor in both Shred and Routine. The > ranking would be based on an accumilative score of the two events. > You could opt to only compete in just routine or just shred, but you > would hurt your accumilative score when it comes down to overall > ranking. > > This form of competition provides a more accurate assessment of who is > at the TOP of freestyle, not just who is good at executing a routine. > A shredder that may hurt her/his score in routine could make up points > in shred, vice-versa. > > As for doubles freestyle...I'm not sure how it would fit in here. > > This year Carol and Ryan are both awesome at Routine and Shred(even > though Carol didn't compete in Shred) so it worked out fairly. > > Anyway, I'm not sure if I will have support on this idea from other > players, but I think it is worthy of being up for discussion at the > next IFC/IFAB meeting or on this list. What do you think about this? > > Adios, > > Jane From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 31 04:01:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15773 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 04:01:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f111.hotmail.com [216.32.181.111]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05057 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:23:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:23:20 -0700 Received: from 142.177.202.190 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:23:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.202.190] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] X GAMES coverage Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:23:20 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2000 14:23:20.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8D4FE60:01C0128D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I always thought that footbag shredstyle had some similarities with BMX >freestyle FLATLAND. In both sports, there are difficult tricks that one can >do, but you get mucho props for the creative way in which you can link >those >tricks and how smoothly you transition from one trick into the other. > >If you have never seen or paid much attention to FLATLAND, check it out. It >does not get as much attention as the BIG AIR, but I find it much more >technical and appealing. And I believe you will see the similarities with >shredstyle, even though they both share a lack of recognition :( > >Ariel Santesteban >Austin Style Footbag Club > >BTW: Worlds and Vancouver were awesome!!! I agree with you completely Ariel! I knew there was some way that footbag connected with the X Games, but I just couldn't put my finger on it. He's right you know, Flatland is a lot like footbag, it's not nearly as dangerous as the other X Games, but it's still really cool to watch, and takes a lot of skill to master. Freestyle footbag would fit in nicely right with Flatland biking. I agree with Ariel, if you haven't already seen Flatland, then you really should, and maybe then more people will realize that footbag could fit into the extreme games, if flatland can. Cole http://footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 31 04:14:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15965 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 04:14:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15996 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:31:26 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:29:56 -0700 Received: by jsisfo22.jsishipping.com with Microsoft Mail id <01C0129F.20163440@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com>; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:27:01 -0700 Message-ID: <01C0129F.20163440@jsisfo22.jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] X GAMES coverage Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:26:45 -0700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:11:39 -0800, Cameron Kennedy wrote: >I think a different sort of festival will eventually link up >footbag with some similar sports.(eg. juggling , freestyle >frisbee(flying disk?), etc For many years footbag and frisbee were promoted together in Whamo's Hacky-Sack & Frisbee festivals. That is how many footbaggers learned about the game and got their start. Of course, this was not nearly on the scale of the X-Games. Anyway, my point here is that footbag freestyle is definitely an Extreme Alternative sport. Net is also but I'm restricting my response to freestyle for obvious reasons. Juggling and frisbee take an enormous amount of technical skill and dexterity but do not require the level of physical conditioning which freestyle does. Freestyle beats on you... freestyle hits back. Unfortunately it is not Extreme in the way that sells in the eyes of those behind the X-Games, Gravity Games etc. But I think that could change and I think footbag freestyle would TOTALLY fit & sell in the X-Games format. X-Games records, cuts and edits all its events for later broadcast. Qualifying competitors could do freestyle routines and/or shred with virtually NO delay between competitors. All is recorded for later viewing and judging. NON-STOP EXTREME ACTION is the key... it doesn't necessarily have to be life threatening. Just don't lose the attention of the crowd and WOW the FUCK out of em!!... NON STOP! It CAN be done and that is how all freestyle events should be run. Learn from the shred contest... people who weren't even footbaggers kept saying they liked the shred contest at Worlds because it was NON STOP... no waiting for the judges to finish a score which DOESN'T EVEN GET TABULATED UNTIL EVERYONE HAS LEFT ALREADY ANYWAY. NON STOP ACTION PACKED ENTERTAINMENT WITH LOTS OF THINGS THE CROWD CAN DEBATE ABOUT... CONTROVERSY OVER WHO DID BETTER ETC. IT'S BEAUTIFUL and it would ABSOLUTELY SELL... LOTS OF THINGS CAN BE SOLD AROUND FOOTBAG. It's becoming a lifestyle for more and more people all the time... that means there are more and more people willing to pay for it and there will be more and more media willing to invest in it. WE JUST HAVE TO PUT IT IN THEIR FACE SOMEHOW... the media that is. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 31 04:17:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15974 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 04:17:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f14.hotmail.com [209.185.131.77]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16329 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:43:41 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:43:06 -0700 Received: from 140.186.114.191 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:43:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [140.186.114.191] From: "melissa schneider" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle World Champion Ranking Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:43:05 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2000 23:43:06.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B87FB20:01C012DC] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freestyle community! I must say vancouver was so wonderful. seeing and playing lots of footbag has inspired me yet again! thanks to all for making it such an INjoyable experience and to the kitsilano footbag club for putting on the show. Can i hear worlds 2001 in Vancouver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cheers to jane for bring up such a powerful idea. By allowing the scores to be accumulative of shred and freestyle, it would give a more accurate account of who is the best competitor. the way it stands now, the well rounded performer who does not have many hard or well linked tricks in their routine will probably beat out someone who just shreds for 2 mins. Combining the two give a better meaning to the title of freestyle champion. plus it would allow more women and intermediates the chance to be in on the shred. it would also put less importance on a single performance. As far as double goes, what about doubles shred!!!!!!! Now that would be crazy and cool. Just thoughts. take care all. mel schneider ( thinking of seattle!) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 31 04:17:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15979 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 04:17:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16714 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:58:17 -0700 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA47758 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:58:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:58:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunil Subhash Jani To: freestyle list Subject: [freestyle] WARNING... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ATTENTION ALL FOOTBAGGERS: PLAGUE EXPECTED IN HARRISBURG PA THIS WEEKEND. A major sickness is expected to hit Harrisburg, PA from September 2nd through the 4th. The following culprits are involved in a conspiracy to unleash some heinous shred at the FUNTASTIK SUMMER CLASSIC this weekend. THE ENFORCER - Kenny Shults THE EXECUTIONER - Peter Irish GF SMOOTHIE - Greg Nelson THE BIONIC MAN - Eric Wulff LA SHREDITA BONITA - Carol Wedemeyer THE ENLIGHTENER - Scott Davidson THE EQUALIZER - Ryan Mulroney THE JUGGERNAUT - Josh Penny THE BRAT - Steve Goldberg and myself TSUNAMI - Sunil Jani Any footbagger within a 20 hour drive of Harrisburg has no excuse to miss this tournament (that MEANS YOU, MONTREAL!!!). You **really** don't want to miss this one. "Slice em up, slice em up, slice em up, slice em." -SSJ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 31 04:18:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15984 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 04:18:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f290.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.148.168]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17530 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:30:26 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:29:51 -0700 Received: from 24.226.208.194 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:29:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.226.208.194] From: "Kavin Thiffault" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Shred Alert Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:29:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2000 00:29:51.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[935E8D10:01C012E2] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone, A message to say that the shred video "Shred Alert", featuring the Montreal Freestyle Association, is really awesome. The shred scene in Montreal is really good, with freestylers like Sebastien Duchesne, Yacine Merzouk and a lot of intermediate players. Mickey Mayer and Ken Somolinos did a very nice job producing this video, especially with the CD version. Crazy moves on slow motion along with great music too, that's good stuff! Really, Montreal is getting reeaallyy cool !!! Shred on Kavin Thiffault From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 31 06:07:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16122 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:07:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16119 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 06:07:09 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23448 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:31:07 -0700 Received: from [24.16.28.243] by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000831053056.ZOCA24346.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.28.243]> for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:30:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:30:53 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle World Champion Ranking Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:05 AM -0700 8/29/00, Jane Jones wrote: >The concept is that a World Champion title holder ought to be best >overall at routine AND shred. Slow down, Jane! We just formalized "shred" this year as a real event. Give us some time to work out the kinks! Also, I'd have to say that the whole point behind the formula-based judging system, which I think we'll probably do away with this year (if I get my way :-)), is to find the player who can combine all four of the following skills: - execution (flawless play and form) - presentation (superb showmanship and choreography) - variety (outstanding breadth and depth of moves in the routine) - difficulty (insane shreds) So by combining shred score (rating of difficulty with variety considered) with the routine score (rating the four categories above), you'd boost the importance of variety and difficulty, right? It's not clear to me that in the current context that makes sense. However, it might make sense to have a *mostly* technical round and a *mostly* presentation-focussed round that were cumulative, like in figure skating. So, we could offer a "routine" round that was all about presentation, movement to the music, and execution. Then we could offer a "shred" round that was more about variety and difficulty. And the winner would have to do both really well to win. (They already have to do all 4 to win today, but in this scheme they wouldn't have to do them all in the same routine.) But, see, routines are already off the scale in terms of difficulty, variety, presentation, and much of the time execution, so I'm not sure what problem you'd be fixing. If anything, the above would just give people who weren't that technical a chance to win something (a round, not the tournament) if they put together a beautiful routine and hit it well (regardless of variety or difficulty). Viz. the Chinese shuttle-cock world championships video we all watched in Montreal. But is that really a goal? I'm still having a little trouble understanding what your goal would be in your proposal, too. >This form of competition provides a more accurate assessment of who >is at the TOP of freestyle, not just who is good at executing a >routine. A shredder that may hurt her/his score in routine could >make up points in shred, vice-versa. I'd argue there's no doubt who's on top at Worlds today just based on the routine results for both open singles and women's singles. :-) People who you may think of as top male freestylers, for example, who didn't make the finals, also didn't do quite as well in the shred. As Ryan says, "some people are just chokers". :-) See smiley face, don't flame me. :-) Or Ryan. :-) (But nobody will read this far anyway, so I can probably just say anything now. :-)) At 11:43 PM +0000 8/30/00, melissa schneider wrote: >Hello freestyle community! Hello, another of the few women freestyle competitors! :-) >I must say vancouver was so wonderful. I concur. 100%. >By allowing the scores to be accumulative of shred and freestyle, Let's just set one thing straight (says Steve the spelling freak). The term is "cumulative". :-) Steve