From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 1 17:52:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07464 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:52:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20439 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:20:29 -0700 Received: from [198.202.67.188] (198.202.67.188) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 1 Aug 2000 08:21:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:18:10 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: [freestyle] Torch-r-Rack clarification Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sunil wrote: >Stepping superfly has been dubbed: Torch-r Rack did something get lost in the translation to the move list ? This looks like a stepping shaft. name:Torch-r Rack adds:6 tech:CLIP > OP IN [DEX] (plant) > (no plant while) SAME OUT [BOD][DEX] > SAME OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] wordy:A steping symposium double over down. dex:3 catch:CLIP spin:0 bod:1 pdx:0 side:SAME ?, Cameron From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 1 18:03:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07548 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:03:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from urban.iinet.net.au (urban.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.231]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05835 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:31:23 -0700 Received: from muzak.iinet.net.au (muzak.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.237]) by urban.iinet.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24139 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:31:06 +0800 Received: from [203.59.62.179] (reggae-01-179.nv.iinet.net.au [203.59.62.179]) by muzak.iinet.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01494 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:31:00 +0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 15:27:58 +0800 Subject: Re: [freestyle] thanks to shreddin...soccer From: "Sean D'Arcy" To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000729061601.2352.qmail@web4504.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id IAA05958 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Edwin Tichenor wrote: > footbag has increased my footskills for soccer > tremendously, which in my case is really nice seeing > as how i am a goalkeeper. if you want to see if you > have really good footskills try doing a simple around > the world with a soccer ball. now that is tuff!! This is my first post to the list. I¹ve been on the list since Christmas I actually teach people how to do tricks with a soccer ball in Australia. I would be interested to know how many of you juggle a soccer ball as well as a footbag and the differences you found. I once had a brief opportunity to juggle with a footbag and found it very strange and to be honest I was hopeless. With a soccer ball I¹m completely comfortable. Not to brag but to prove my credentials only six weeks ago I juggled a soccer ball (doing tricks) before a crowd of 43,000 at the Australian National Soccer playoffs in Perth,Western Australia. The most important thing (among many) I have learned from the footbag site is to do the tricks on both sides (weak & strong). Before I visited this site I never really thought about the fact that I only do the majority of tricks with my stronger foot. I¹ve spent the last 6 months or so trying to build up my weak side. I still have a long way to go but it has opened up my range hugely. One more thing before I go. I live in Australia but I was born in England. Since I saw the site and the videos on it. I have shown the site to my friends, family & anyone who I know who likes soccer. There has been an amazing negative response from them. I think it is brilliant and truely am mightily impressed with the level of skill and coordination shown. But for some reason the soccer fans I have shown it to dismiss it simply by saying that is impossible with a soccer ball. Has anyone else had this problem with soccer fans or is it just the English soccer fans. Sean (juggles the wrong size ball) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 1 18:40:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07809 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:40:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [216.86.64.33]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25985 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:03:05 -0700 Received: from provide.net (matt@usr03-083.provide.net [216.86.66.83]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21530 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39870FEE.C0932439@provide.net> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:59:10 -0400 From: matt craig Organization: TheMan, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] thanks to shreddin...soccer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sean D'Arcy wrote: > I > would be interested to know how many of you juggle a soccer ball as well as > a footbag and the differences you found. I once had a brief opportunity to > juggle with a footbag and found it very strange and to be honest I was > hopeless. "Juggle" a footbag? Forgive my lack of internationalization but to me, an American, "juggle" means more than one at a time People who can do two or more footbags at once are few and far between (among the general population, which is not necessarily represented by this list). I can't and have no advice on that. Now if you mean kicking one bag at a time, the things I have noticed about soccer players with little footbag experience is the stiffness of their feet, the part that makes contact witht the bag (both especially on a toe kick) and the amount of force they apply. The soccer players I kicked with in Germany consistently kicked the bag twenty feet out of the circle. The words "toe kick" are partly right and partly wrong. Hit the bag with the top (not the front) of the "toe", but don't kick it hard, just "flick" at it. It seems that when someone "kicks" a soccer ball with their toe they are really using the top of the foot and the shin at the same time. On inside and outside kicks, you are actually kicking the bag, not too hard, and you need to make sure the inside/outside surface of your foot is horizontal when you kick it. Hey, Steve, is it worth having some videos of basic kicks on the site for people who want to learn but have no access to any other kickers at all? > The most important thing (among many) I have learned from the footbag site > is to do the tricks on both sides (weak & strong). Learn EVERYTHING on both sides. What's the point of doing a triple around the world if you can only do it on the right, you are only half a styler? -- Let me see you do that with your left MC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 2 03:12:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09670 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:12:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06986 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:36:21 -0700 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA80300 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:36:09 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:36:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunil Subhash Jani cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Torch-r-Rack clarification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Cameron Kennedy wrote: > Sunil wrote: > >Stepping superfly has been dubbed: Torch-r Rack > > did something get lost in the translation to the move list ? > This looks like a stepping shaft. > > name:Torch-r Rack > tech:CLIP > OP IN [DEX] (plant) > (no plant while) SAME OUT [BOD][DEX] > > SAME OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] > wordy:A steping symposium double over down. Cameron, you are correct. Torch-r Rack is clip > op in > (no plant while) op out > same out > op clip wordy: a stepping symposium barfly Although a stepping Shaft would sure be one BAD MOTHERFU... "shut you mouth"... hey man, I'm just talking about stepping shaft. Ahren is good at footbag. -Sunil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 2 03:13:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09680 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:13:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f294.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.169]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA30314 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:48:28 -0700 Received: (qmail 724 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2000 19:48:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000801194816.723.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 172.147.252.46 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:48:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [172.147.252.46] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] need a place to stay for worlds Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:48:16 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up all, I hope youre all getting warmed up for worlds! I will be coming from Chicago via Seattle and was wondering if i could get a ride to vancouver from my sisters house on either saturday, sunday or monday the 14th, its 1/2 way between seattle and vancouver and off of I 5. Also i would appreciate it if anybody with floorspace for cash would respond as i havent made plans for lodging yet. Thanks in advance, Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 2 03:18:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09693 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 03:18:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26511 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:19:49 -0700 Received: from patti.excite.com ([199.172.148.159]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000801181820.DNEA22124.kuku.excite.com@patti.excite.com> for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:18:20 -0700 Message-ID: <2255021.965153900086.JavaMail.imail@patti.excite.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Wulff Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] trivia style #9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.254.24.241 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What it is y'll!? Welcome to another edition of Trivia Style. Ironman here once again with results and questions. Regarding the answers to #8, I gave a few of you 1 add if you guessed "shooting butterfly" for #2 as that is the move Tuan hit. But, I was looking for the move which Ahren hit and you will soon find out. Welcome the 3 new folks on the score board. I also want to give a warm congrats to "The Monster" who has brought himself up from the depths of negativity and now has a chance to finish with a positive add total. :) Okay, current results are below and here are Answers to 8... >1. For 3 adds... Who is the first person to go dropless with >over 300 adds in a singles routine? a. "Rippin" Rick Reese b. Peter "The Executioner" Irish c. Scott "The High Enlightener" Davidson d. Ryan "the Regulator" Mulroney e. Kenny "the Enforcer" Shults f. Nobody answer... d. Ryan "the Regulator" Mulroney (99 Western Regional Finals) >2. For 2 adds.... In 95' or 96'(sorry I forget which) Tuan >"Disco Ninja" Vu became the first to hit a 6 add move in a >singles routine at a major tournament. It wasn't until the 2000 >Western Regionals that someone else did this again. This time >it was the "Torch"... Ahren Gehrman. What move did he hit >SHARP, IN A COMBO and made it look eeaaasy? a. Big Apple(symposium mobius) b. Blurry Torque(stepping paradox torque) c. In-Spinning Mobius d. Shooting Butterfly answer... b. Blurry Torque(stepping paradox torque) >3. For 3 adds, Old schoolers must answer fully... New schoolers >can give me one or the other... >a. Describe the picture or logo which appears on the signature >Big Add Posse T-Shirt. It is copy of the warning sign you would see on a lawn mower with a picture of a hand getting sliced by a blade. Also, the lwanmover blade has been replaced by a freestyle blade... shoed & laced correctly. >b. What is the slogan or phrase on the shirt? answer... "Stand Clear of the Blades" TRIVIA STYLE #9... Answers could be coming as early as this this Saturday. We will be having the final episode before Worlds so stay tuned... 1. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old... Who is the self proclaimed(and worthy) "Father of Freestyle"? a. Jack Schoolcraft b. Rick Reese c. Bruce Guettich d. Neil Young e. Jim Caveney 2. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old... In the 1990's only 2 people have won a professional world championship in a net event and also a freestyle event. Kenny Shults of course is one. Who is the other? 3. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old... Before the Rod Laver, what was the "shoe of choice" for the cutting edge shredders? See ya soon... perhaps a different BAP time but the same BAP channel Ironman current standings... Since #8 Aaron Edggerton - 7 Adrian Dick - 14 Alex Ibardaloza - 6 Andrew McCarger - 10 Antti Lehikoinen - 1 Becca - 53 Bob Green - 24 Brad Kaplin - 28 Bryan Fournier - 2 Corey Current - 12 Danny Cardonne - 4 Dave Reid - 7 Dennis Lee - 3 Derric Schroeder - 4 Eli Piltz - *** +2 Eric "Wicked" Windsor - 8 Ernest Crvch - 5 GF Smoothie - 54 Ian Dubman - 23 James Roberts - 9 Jeremiah J. Riley - 6 Jon Schneider - 55 Ken "Ceiling Fan" Semolinos - 42 Mickey Mayer - 5 Phillip Summers - 3 Sam Colchough - 5 Scott "The Enlightener" Davidson - 11 Sebastian Duchesne - 10 Shredstein - 7 Stan Sagalovskiy - 8 Tina Lewis - 12 Tuan Vu - 7 Tu Vu - 6 Ville Laakso - 10 Vince Bradley - 24 Yacine - 9 _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 2 17:04:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12602 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:04:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2906.mail.yahoo.com (web2906.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.49]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA23756 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:38:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 7463 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2000 08:37:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000802083751.7462.qmail@web2906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.97.2.246] by web2906.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 01:37:51 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:37:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Hans Freller Subject: [freestyle] stomping ? help To: Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Heres a question that has been bothering me for a while it has to do with the understanding of the stomping concept. I was watching tales of the BAP the other day and saw a crew member pull of a stomping double leg over, I started thinking of moves that I could incorporate with this concept. If I was to do a stomping move how would I go about it as I have no idea on how to start is this the same as any other concept like a pixie move where I do a quick pixie then the required move, ie: pixie set > into butterfly = pixie butterfly. Now heres where I struggle to understand, The idea of the stomping concept is to plant both feet before the required move, so if I were to plant both of my feet before a butterfly that would make it a stomping butterfly according to the stomping concept that is recorded on the move concept page on the footbag.org webpage but I know that this is wrong. So could someone skool me in the knowledge of the stomping concept so I can sleep. P.S Kahn and myself were playing with the idea (stomping)and I managed to hit this move but I don’t know what it is or even if it is a move, so could someone share with me as to what this move might be it went a little like this according to jobs notation : Toe> stomp >same in(dex)> op out(dex)> op clip (xbd del) Later Hanz (solo) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 2 17:03:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12597 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:03:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA14109 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:50:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 10224 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2000 04:49:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000802044954.10223.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [63.14.191.236] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:49:54 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:49:54 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Torch-r-Rack clarification To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sunil wrote: > Although a stepping Shaft would sure be one BAD > MOTHERFU... "shut you mouth"... hey man, I'm just > talking about stepping shaft. AAAhHH! I thought torch-r rack was stepping shaft! I also thought Scott Davidson hit stepping op superfly a looooong time ago and named it "super duper fly"... Hmmmmm... Am I all mixed up? Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 2 17:04:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12620 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:04:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Tom Kotsakos Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27411 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 02:53:09 -0700 Received: from Honycherub@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id z.c1.5a7f54c (4242) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:52:25 EDT Subject: [freestyle] triple dexes To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This question is similar to one posted a little while back. Someone once asked what double dex moves are good to start with. I'm wondering what the first triple dex moves some of you guys hit were. Tom Kotsakos Chicago Inner Circle From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 3 05:54:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15489 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:54:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f144.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.144]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA21000 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:33:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 91056 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2000 21:32:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000802213248.91055.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.76.100.153 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:32:48 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.76.100.153] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] lavers:wanted, Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:32:48 NZST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, is there anyone out there who has any old lavers size 8- 8an a half they'd like to sell..? Jonathon Haze From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Aug 3 07:23:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15678 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:23:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Joe Kennedy Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02951 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:59:20 -0700 Received: from ZeRoceNtZ@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id z.12.6ce06a (657) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12.6ce06a.26ba6406@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20000802213248.91055.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:58:30 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] lavers:wanted, To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 142 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On that same note...does anyone have any 13 1/2 to 14 that they dont want and would like to sell?? Thanks, Joe Kennedy From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 16:14:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20770 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:14:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e73COmg18048 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005d01bffd46$164ac480$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: <20000802044954.10223.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: [freestyle] Super dooper fly Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:26:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > AAAhHH! I thought torch-r rack was stepping shaft! I > also thought Scott Davidson hit stepping op superfly a > looooong time ago and named it "super duper fly"... > > > Later, > James Once and for all, shaft is stepping symposium double down. This means that it is all done on the same side. Stepping shaft doesn't exist because shaft is already stepping. Super Duper Fly is a symposium scorpion's tail. It used to be called poisonous toad (worst name ever....sorry Wulffy) but it was changed upon actually being hit. > Hmmmmm... Am I all mixed up? Yes, you are. Ryan Mulroney From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 16:24:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20843 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:24:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16642 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:55:18 -0700 Received: from patti.excite.com ([199.172.148.159]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000804015421.KCEC25214.bucky.excite.com@patti.excite.com> for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:54:21 -0700 Message-ID: <22661653.965354061718.JavaMail.imail@patti.excite.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:54:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Wulff Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] trivia style #9 whoops :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.33.33.36 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yee Haw!... I new this would happen sooner or later. I made it to episode #9 before I screwed up and got caught. :) Regarding #2 copied below I meant to ask regarding a net event(doubles or singles) and a *singles* professional freestyle event. However, since I forgot the *singles* part for freestyle, anybody who answered up until now will get credit for either. AND the 2 folks who actually caught my little boo boo will get whatever the bonus is I said it would be for catching me in a screw up. I'll check the original rules which I posted and you will see the results on the last episode. Sorry... hope you're havin a jolly yip time anyway... Ironman question corrected below... > 2. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old... In the 1990's only 2 > people have won a professional world championship in a net event and also a *SINGLES* > freestyle event. Kenny Shults of course is one. Who is the other? _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 16:25:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20854 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:25:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from 208.223.204.123 ([208.223.204.123]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23216 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:08:14 -0700 Received: from antisocial.com [208.223.204.123] by 208.223.204.123 (SMTPD32-6.00) id AFCFA0800D2; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 01:16:47 -0500 Message-ID: <19169200085461647475@antisocial.com> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 4 X-EM-Registration: #01E0520310450300B900 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: My Own Email v4.00 alpha From: "sean diakiw" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] worlds Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:16:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am really looking forward to meeting everyone, and learning new moves at worlds. and buying a new footbag. I was just wondering 1 who do you guys think are going to runaway with worlds and why and who is going to surprise everyone. Also does anyone have any new awesome tricks that they are saving to bust out at worlds. Do any of you know good sites with videos. please email me the addresses. thanks, Sean PS look for me at worlds... i will be the kid with green and red (MERRY KRISMAS) hair. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 16:28:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20867 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:28:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f5.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03530 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:04:26 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:03:44 -0700 Received: from 128.214.152.204 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.214.152.204] From: "Samuli Viitanen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Hi everybody! about millennium lavers.. Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:03:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2000 19:03:44.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BCB5080:01BFFD7D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo. So, this is my debut in this list so I'll go straight to the point. i saw a pair of da millennium lavers the first time in paris in the european masters this summer and since then i've been wondering about buying those millennium shoes. the reason i'm writing is that i heard a rumour that these shoes aren't manufactured anymore.. is this rumour correct??? i hope it isn't because i want those shoes!!! theyre just so cool ones:) one question more: where it is possible to buy these shoes? i consulted Ahren Gehrman in paris and he gave me an address (www.feet.com) but he warned me that they were sold out there, and they were. so i'd appreciate any help in the mystery of finding the missing link to the shoes. are these shoes perhaps available at the worlds this year? hoping to hear something soon. -Samuli Viitanen -finnishredder@footbag.org btw. i just hit today my first inspinning mirage and first inspinning butterfly. sweet:) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 16:55:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21079 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:55:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.123.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12991 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:20:28 -0700 Received: from bfk by adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13KkCm-0003mH-00; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:20:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:20:16 -0700 From: "Brian F. Kimball" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hi everybody! about millennium lavers.. Message-ID: <20000804092016.I14124@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> Mail-Followup-To: freestyle@footbag.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from fbagsam@hotmail.com on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 07:03:44PM +0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 07:03:44PM +0000, Samuli Viitanen wrote: > So, this is my debut in this list Welcome! > so I'll go straight to the point. i saw a > pair of da millennium lavers the first time in paris in the european masters > this summer and since then i've been wondering about buying those millennium > shoes. the reason i'm writing is that i heard a rumour that these shoes > aren't manufactured anymore.. is this rumour correct??? As far as we know, yes. Eli Piltz thought they might be reintroduced in the fall or in the spring of next year. > one question more: where it is possible to buy these shoes? We still don't know of any website that has them in stock. Steve, if no one chimes in with new information, can you update the FAQ? It still implies that the Milleniums are available. http://www.footbag.org/facts/show?id=953170515 cheers, brian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 19:23:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21860 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:23:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16928 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:16:41 -0700 Received: (qmail 1139 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2000 18:16:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20000804181626.1138.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <005d01bffd46$164ac480$0200a8c0@pseudo> Received: from [63.14.207.63] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:16:26 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Super dooper fly To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Ryan Mulroney > > Hmmmmm... Am I all mixed up? > Yes, you are. > Ryan Mulroney Yes, your right. I sooo thought shaft was a symp down double down. Im starting to hate move names. Later, Jamez From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 19:23:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21871 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:23:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4002.mail.yahoo.com (web4002.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.36]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13224 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:26:06 -0700 Message-ID: <20000804162512.20455.qmail@web4002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.218.209.36] by web4002.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:25:12 PDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:25:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Fournier Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was wondering if anyone had a pair of Rod Laver's size 11-1/2 12? Or even some ADIDAS Paladin's? thanks Bobby From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 20:45:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22208 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:45:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19073 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:21:13 -0700 Received: from [198.202.67.188] (198.202.67.188) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 4 Aug 2000 12:23:09 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000804181626.1138.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <005d01bffd46$164ac480$0200a8c0@pseudo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:18:49 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: Re: [freestyle] Super dooper fly Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Risden wrote: >I sooo thought shaft was a symp down double down. Im >starting to hate move names. Me too, and it doesn't help that it is listed as such. parsed from http://www.footbag.org/moves/list/5 name:Shaft adds:5 tech:CLIP > (no plant while) OP OUT [BOD][DEX] > SAME OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] >I'm starting to hate move names. Its worse than it appears . . . Cameron From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Aug 4 23:04:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22644 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:04:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23320 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:32:00 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id z.a.83b0e9 (6153); Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000804162512.20455.qmail@web4002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:31:11 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes To: freestyle@footbag.org, perfectanarchy@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, In a message dated 8/4/00 2:49:49 PM, perfectanarchy@yahoo.com writes: << Or even some ADIDAS Paladin's? >> NO!!! NO!!! NOT Paladins!!!! Get LAVERS!!! Steve said it right, there's no sense in screwing around asking what's the best bag and what's the best shoe because we already know. Modified Lavers and a 32 panel facile bag, and that's it. Don't settle for Paladins or whatever, or ANYTHING, because Lavers aren't hard to get. Like steve said... "Get the shoes, get the bag, get with it." I don't mean to sound harsh or mean, but it's just so simple. There's no need to settle for less because it's easy to settle for the best. Sincerely, Matt Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Aug 5 06:33:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23832 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 06:33:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA27027 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:42:01 -0700 Received: (qmail 1491 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2000 23:41:19 -0000 Received: from blndi5-212-144-128-023.arcor-ip.net (HELO quarktasche) (212.144.128.23) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2000 23:41:19 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01bffe6d$6b5fe400$178090d4@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: Subject: [freestyle] ....and shred videos again Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:03:19 +0200 Organization: Schmidt Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello people, thanx to all who responded to my question about cool shred tapes (especially Derric Scalf), now it is my turn to select the video and let it be ordered (by my girlfriend currently being in NYC). But now I can tell you about some new shred videos ONLINE: At www.footbagfreestyle.de there are 10 new mpegs caught at the European Masters in Paris featuring Germany's top open players like Marc Inzinger and Jan Zimmermann and intermediate players like Tillmann Witzler and me. And you can also see the women's freestyle European Champion Julia Boehm doing a 24 seconds shred (including an outside ATW). So causes enough to go there and click on "Video-Gallerie" - the website is in German but you will find the videos easily. keep watchin' videos and shreddin ;o), Matthias........ P.S. You will maybe see some very well known American faces in the background of some videos........ P.P.S. This mail should have been posted by the webmaster of footbagfreestyle.de, Sebastian Kleinichen, but he is on a holiday trip, so I did it. _____________________________________ "Der reißende Fluss wird gewalttätig genannt, aber das Ufer, das ihn einengt, nennt keiner gewalttätig." _____________________________________ www.footbagfreestyle.de/videos/shreds/em2000/matth01n.mpg www.parlament-berlin.de/wgr From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Aug 5 06:37:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23867 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 06:37:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from czpwa - 207.92.165.237 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:55:36 -0700 Message-ID: <004001bffeaa$5b974940$eda55ccf@czpwa> From: "Richard Reese" To: "Ryan Mulroney" , References: <20000802044954.10223.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> <005d01bffd46$164ac480$0200a8c0@pseudo> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Super dooper fly Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:56:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ryan, You are the man. Period. You are the one responsible for the long, I mean long combos that are becoming more abundant in freestyle today. I do expect to see you hit 10 different 5-add tricks in one combo at Worlds....... Listen, I bought a 15 hour battery for my camcorder so I will get major footage this year, Alot of it of you, shredder. Anyway, the other reason I'm posting is because of the Super-dooper fly talk turning into Shaft talk. I'm not one to look at the moves list because it's so jacked up so lets say that you are the only one I've ever seen hit both of these moves in person. I did finally hit Super-dooper fly the other day but not very crispy. But, Shaft is a Symposium down-double, right? Not a STEPPING symposium down-double, right. Stepping SDD, now thats crazy, which is why I think you could hit it,but whats that called? Blurrier is a stepping down double, so where did the name shaft come from? Ryan, the reason I want to clarify this is because you're confusing the new guys. Watch out for that Risden fellow, I hear he's nasty...... James, you better make it to Worlds man, I can tell that Ryan's mouth is watering for some new blood. I love you man. Is Ahren good at footbag? Can't wait to see you all at the mighty Worlds, peace out, Rippin. P.S. Torch-r-rack is hard! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 5:26 AM Subject: [freestyle] Super dooper fly > > > AAAhHH! I thought torch-r rack was stepping shaft! I > > also thought Scott Davidson hit stepping op superfly a > > looooong time ago and named it "super duper fly"... > > > > > > Later, > > James > > Once and for all, shaft is stepping symposium double down. This means that > it is all done on the same side. Stepping shaft doesn't exist because shaft > is already stepping. Super Duper Fly is a symposium scorpion's tail. It used > to be called poisonous toad (worst name ever....sorry Wulffy) but it was > changed upon actually being hit. > > > Hmmmmm... Am I all mixed up? > > Yes, you are. > Ryan Mulroney > > > > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Aug 5 15:43:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24675 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:43:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e759UrV24471 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000d01bffec0$1b551540$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: <005d01bffd46$164ac480$0200a8c0@pseudo> Subject: [freestyle] Shaft Correction Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:32:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I messed up and said that shaft was stepping symposium down double down when in fact it is just symposium down double down. I believe that stepping down double down is called Dolemite but it hasn't been hit yet so it is up for grabs. Sorry for the error. Ryan Mulroney From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 6 07:06:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27243 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:06:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1301.mail.yahoo.com (web1301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.151]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28702 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:05:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 9352 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2000 22:22:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000805222238.9351.qmail@web1301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.12.230.153] by web1301.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 15:22:38 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:22:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Jones Reply-To: janejones2000@yahoo.com Subject: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I'm hoping someone can clarify something for us North Americans and others. How are the titles awarded for European Masters? I was under the impression that just like many other tournaments, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ..., places were awarded to those who took those places in their bracket, and not dependent on where ones citizenship is held. What's the European consensus on this? Is European Masters a European Open Championship, or strictly a European Championship? I assume this is just like Wimbleton or French Opens where the title holder can be from any country in the world. Just wondering... See ya, Jane From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 6 07:08:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27254 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:08:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29303 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:13:56 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust116.tnt11.chi5.da.uu.net [63.22.161.116]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08941; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <398C9187.AB32E53@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 17:13:27 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Mulroney CC: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shaft Correction References: <005d01bffd46$164ac480$0200a8c0@pseudo> <000d01bffec0$1b551540$0200a8c0@pseudo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ryan Mulroney wrote: > .........I believe that stepping down > double down is called Dolemite but it hasn't been hit yet so it is up for > grabs............. I was under the impression that symposium paradon was Dolemite, has this even been hit? how about symposium double over down? do these have names? tell me what's up. -TW From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 6 07:14:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27303 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:14:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.155]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10864 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:42:08 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:41:26 -0700 Received: from 205.189.152.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.11] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hi everybody! about millennium lavers.. Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:41:26 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000804092016.I14124@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2000 05:41:26.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6ADA500:01BFFF68] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:20:16 -0700 Brian F. Kimball wrote >We still don't know of any website that has them in stock. > >Steve, if no one chimes in with new information, can you update the >FAQ? >It still implies that the Milleniums are available. I'd just like to say that anyone can find them at WWW.FOOTACTION.COM!! o o \_/ Mike D | A.K.A. :(SNAKEeYES): ^ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 6 07:15:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27314 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:15:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f48.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.48]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31499 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:17:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:17:00 -0700 Received: from 64.10.157.50 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.10.157.50] From: "Gergo Csallo" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] About trick names Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:17:00 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2000 23:17:00.0730 (UTC) FILETIME=[421D61A0:01BFFF33] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there! Some years ago, when I was aggressive inline skating, we used to have a saying in connection with trick names, actually trick name confusions: "Call it whatever you want to call it, I just pull THIS" For those, who hate the names... anyways, it just got to my mind... rebelkid From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 6 07:15:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27325 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:15:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2006.mail.yahoo.com (web2006.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.206]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA24360 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:41:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 12561 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2000 19:41:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000805194124.12560.qmail@web2006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.193.59.43] by web2006.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 12:41:24 PDT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:41:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] The California Connection- freestyle video available! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Freestylers, The latest Boulder Blades production is now available! "The California Connection" is over one hour long, showcasing most of footbag's top shredders, including Rick Reese, Ryan Mulroney, Sunil Jani, Big Add Chad, Ahren Gherman, and many more all pushing the limits of freestyle as we know it. The video contains footage from the Colorado Shred Symposium, UCSF Jam, and more; and everyone is at the top of their game. Furthermore, all previous videos by B.B.Productions are available: Rye Shred (1998), Sultans of Shred (1999), and Churney & Friends (1999). Email or phone me for the details, or pick up your tapes at World's! Eli Piltz 858-488-2133 ezshredz@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Aug 6 07:19:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27336 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 07:19:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f203.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.203]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25075 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:33:53 -0700 Received: (qmail 22866 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2000 22:32:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000804223218.22865.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 64.10.157.204 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:32:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [64.10.157.204] From: "Gergo Csallo" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] what's it called? Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 00:32:18 CEST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey! I started freestyle some weeks ago. I checked the moves list for a particular move (2 add). CLIP > SAME OUT [dex] > SAME TOE [del] Is it a Clipper set ATW? rebelkid From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 7 00:20:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29208 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:20:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA07581 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:03:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 31743 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 2000 22:03:36 -0000 Received: from blndi6-212-144-168-059.arcor-ip.net (HELO quarktasche) (212.144.168.59) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2000 22:03:36 -0000 Message-ID: <002901bffff2$18e088c0$3ba890d4@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: References: <20000805222238.9351.qmail@web1301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:02:51 +0200 Organization: Schmidt Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Jane and all, when a European Championship is held the main objective should be to find out who are the best players IN EUROPE. In my opinion it is not right that an American is called the European Champion (Sorry Ahren, Justin is the champion...;o)). Of course, anyone can compete, but I even think that it should not be possible for an Non-European to kick out Europeans. Imagine a final of the EM being played only by Americans (just because in the final group are only, let's say 10 people, and maybe 12 Americans - definetely better than most of us here - have travelled to Europe). This year it was nearly like this (5 people of 12 from Europe - not counting Andrew as an European) and many people worried about it because they did not get into the finals only because there were too many Americans (too many to get into finals, not at all, of course). The best way would be letting everyone compete but assuring that in final, which is planned to be held with 10 persons, are 10 Europeans and as many Americans as they were able to qualify. So the final group would have 10 + x (x=Number of Americans that are better than at least European number 10) persons. (Hope everyone can understand my confused and confusing thoughts and my "European English".....) keep shreddin' and stop arguin' ;o) Matthias................. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 7 00:23:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29257 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:23:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.18]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14319 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:42:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:41:35 -0700 Received: from 211.38.59.34 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.38.59.34] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 07:41:35 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2000 07:41:35.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF74C5D0:01BFFF79] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Cross wrote: >NO!!! NO!!! NOT Paladins!!!! Get LAVERS!!! Steve said it right, there's >no sense in screwing around asking what's the best bag and what's the best >shoe because we already know. Modified Lavers and a 32 panel facile bag, >and >that's it. Um, if I may chime in here, Laver's are some of the best shoes one can find, but not the only ones. Personally I think they're not worth the powder to blow them to hell. I play with very highly modified Airwalks and have been very happy with my progress since the swich, thanks to a lot less weight and an evener kicking surface. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 7 00:24:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29270 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:24:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.5]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA15512 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 01:17:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 13356 invoked by alias); 6 Aug 2000 08:16:50 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-Freestyle@footbag.org@fixme Received: (qmail 13344 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 2000 08:16:49 -0000 Received: from wdialup78.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.160.142.78) by dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2000 08:16:49 -0000 Message-ID: <398D1E9D.AA579CA9@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 02:15:25 -0600 From: "Matt Wafaie" Reply-To: mattius@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] what's it called? References: <20000804223218.22865.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A friend of mine suggested Wolverine for it's name a while back. M@ Gergo Csallo wrote: > > Hey! > > I started freestyle some weeks ago. I checked the moves list for a > particular move (2 add). > CLIP > SAME OUT [dex] > SAME TOE [del] > Is it a Clipper set ATW? > > rebelkid From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 7 02:34:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29507 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 02:34:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web215.mail.yahoo.com (web215.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.115]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA11183 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:32:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 27136 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2000 00:32:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000807003239.27135.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <002901bffff2$18e088c0$3ba890d4@quarktasche> Received: from [24.12.230.153] by web215.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 17:32:39 PDT Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:32:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zerbe Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there stylers, I think it is possible to find out who the best players in Europe are without giving the title to the person who got second place. Simply keep the European *ranking* separate from the people who are competing in Masters. So that the European Master would not necessarily be the #1 European player, just like the winner of the French Open is not necessarily the best tennis player in France. This is the way its been done in the past. For example anyone from anywhere can have the Western Regional title if they have the skill to execute a winning routine. Another example, didn't Ken S. win the Montreal Windchill Tourney. He isn't from Quebec. Also, someone from Europe could come over and win at the U.S. Opens. I personally think that when footbag players get together to compete, that nationality should not make any difference. The winner of a tournament is the winner. If you have people come over from another country, and have them compete, it is not fair to treat them differently. It would be nice to have some IFAB/IFC clarification on this. Anyone else have thoughts on this? Zerbe --- Matthias Lino Schmidt wrote: > Hi Jane and all, > > when a European Championship is held the main > objective should be to find > out who are the best players IN EUROPE. In my > opinion it is not right that > an American is called the European Champion (Sorry > Ahren, Justin is the > champion...;o)). Of course, anyone can compete, but > I even think that it > should not be possible for an Non-European to kick > out Europeans. Imagine a > final of the EM being played only by Americans (just > because in the final > group are only, let's say 10 people, and maybe 12 > Americans - definetely > better than most of us here - have travelled to > Europe). This year it was > nearly like this (5 people of 12 from Europe - not > counting Andrew as an > European) and many people worried about it because > they did not get into the > finals only because there were too many Americans > (too many to get into > finals, not at all, of course). > The best way would be letting everyone compete but > assuring that in final, > which is planned to be held with 10 persons, are 10 > Europeans and as many > Americans as they were able to qualify. So the final > group would have 10 + x > (x=Number of Americans that are better than at least > European number 10) > persons. > > (Hope everyone can understand my confused and > confusing thoughts and my > "European English".....) > > keep shreddin' and stop arguin' ;o) > Matthias................. > > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 7 06:30:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30157 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 06:30:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30154 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 06:30:02 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19679 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:55:28 -0700 Received: from [24.16.28.170] by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000807055511.CQYY20342.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.28.170]> for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:55:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:54:46 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wow, such loaded questions. Sorry, Matthias, but your logic is flawed and you are not speaking for the tournament organizers. Here's the fact: The European championships, which were sanctioned by the IFC for the first year ever, are *open*. They would not have been sanctioned if they were not! The results clearly indicate that they are. Ahren, for example, took home the trophy. The only reason Jane didn't get the trophy was simply that she wasn't there to collect it, so they gave it to the 2nd runner-up instead. This was not meant to indicate that Jane didn't deserve it since all other 1st-place winners got trophies, regardless of country of origin. There has been a lot of confusion around this issue of European vs. non-European winners and we need to put this to rest. The separate results that were listed, called the European *rankings*, are certainly appropriate for showing how the local players, for whom the tournament was organized to help promote the sport *locally* within Europe, fared against the top dogs who attended. This is in no way meant to be a negative. It's simply a way to show the relative ability of the Europeans when they've gone head-to-head against other players. It's like the club award at Worlds, in a way. It'd be nice if we had the time and energy to summarize Worlds results by rankings per region -- there's really no downside to that. It's just complicated is all. :-) So, please, everyone relax on this issue. The European Championships, at least as they were sanctioned this year, were just like any other open tournament -- the best player got first place. Thanks. Steve P.S. Yes, it's true that *last* year's tournament had some problems in this area; they've been corrected, all except for an oversight regarding Jane's trophy. Jane, please take this up with the tournament organizers -- it's not the policy they intended to follow. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Aug 7 19:06:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32183 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:06:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32180 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:06:52 -0700 Received: from fep2.excitehome.net (fep2.excitehome.net [24.0.26.113]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20695 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:32:16 -0700 Received: from [24.16.28.170] by fep2.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000807183200.LEBA15061.fep2.excitehome.net@[24.16.28.170]> for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:32:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:31:58 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Freestylers going to worlds -- read this NOW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Freestylers who are competing at Worlds in *any* event (including shred): Please understand that you *cannot* register for freestyle *at all* after next Monday (opening day of the tournament). But if you don't register *today*, you'll be charged a $10 late fee. If you miss the registration and check-in next Monday morning, you are OUT OF LUCK. No ifs, ands, buts, or exceptions. You MUST register absolutely NO LATER than next Monday's check-in. You can *check in* if you've already *PAID* online (today) on Wednesday at the freestyle players' meeting and judging clinic. But you *cannot* pay then. You *must* pay by Monday or you will be scratched. Absolutely. Online registration closes today, so you really have to do it *NOW*. NOW. Click here: http://www.footbag.org/registration/register?tid=941418343 Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 07:14:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01890 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:14:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailgate.novagate.net (IDENT:root@mailgate.novagate.net [205.138.138.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17187 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:16:57 -0700 Received: from novagate.net (AS5800-v90-3.GrandHaven.novagate.net [208.21.101.3]) by mailgate.novagate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA10067 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398E394E.298B4E5E@novagate.net> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 00:21:38 -0400 From: ryan masuga Reply-To: masuga@novagate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all- I've been kicking in Adidas Ilie Nastase models for the past 6 months and love them. They have the same base as a Laver, but the material on top is different, and they have three blue stripes on each side. The toe box is noticeably wider than on the Lavers. I wore them to Midwest Regionals and everyone was asking me what they were, if I drew the stripes on them myself, etc. It seems that no one there had ever seen them before. Anyone else kick in these shoes? I found them at some Adidas outlet near Ann Arbor, MI about two years ago and just decided to break them out a few months back. They're great! I have never seen any since - maybe they can be found online at these shoe websites everyone talks about. ryan masuga 3rd Coast Footbag Dept. West Michigan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 07:13:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01874 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:13:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from www0e.netaddress.usa.net (www0e.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA23168 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:51:08 -0700 Received: (qmail 4646 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2000 07:50:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000807075056.4645.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.34 by www0e for [129.132.1.35] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Mon Aug 7 07:50:56 GMT 2000 Date: 7 Aug 00 09:50:56 MET DST From: Jan Zimmermann To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id IAA30480 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all of you! Although I'm technically a part of the European Footbag Council, this is not an "official" statement, just my personal opinion concerning this subject. Since we didn't manage to hold a Council meeting in Paris the official statement will have to wait until I've talked to all the other guys here in Europe. Just to clarify one point: the european champs are technically an open championship and we are very happy that so many US and Canadian players showed up this year (and last year too). It really is good for all the european players (most of whom never make it to worlds) to see some high class american players. Therefore in the past there have always been two titles awarded. First place for the player who won and a seperate title of European Champion for the best european player. I could go ahead and write a whole essay on why it is really important to have this "seperate" title, if you really want to hear it write me. The same policy is also used by us at the German Championships, we also crown the German Champion seperately. Problems that I see in the future are having "too many" (what a statement) top notch american players coming to europe. A worst case scenario would leave only one european player in the final round automatically meaning that whoever makes it to the finals is automatically European Champion. We all know that it would then depend heavily on which braket you're in if you're going to be the one reaching finals or not. We therefore couldn't positively say that the European Champ is really the best european player. I hope you see the problem. Anyway, this subject will be discussed with the european council and you'll get some official feedback in the next couple of weeks (everybody's on holiday as far as I know). Be assured that we want YOU at the European Champs we just have to find a way to let this tournament be an open tournament AND for it to be the European Championships. Jan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 07:13:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01885 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:13:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15617 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:17:02 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna92.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.103]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA44350 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:16:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000806221606.00b3ab90@email.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20000804223218.22865.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:16:12 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: Re: [freestyle] what's it called? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Gergo Csallo wrote: >CLIP > SAME OUT [dex] > SAME TOE [del] >Is it a Clipper set ATW? This move is a legover set from the clipper position. It's not significantly different enough to call it another name, nor does it have the paradox element to give it another add. It is definitely worth schooling though because it makes your legovers a lot faster. Alex (Integer, of the Penn State Trio) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 07:13:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01879 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:13:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1303.mail.yahoo.com (web1303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.153]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA20584 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:26:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 26219 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2000 06:26:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000807062623.26218.qmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [207.202.172.142] by web1303.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:26:23 PDT Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:26:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Jones Reply-To: janejones2000@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey hey, --- Steve Goldberg wrote: > Here's the fact: > > The European championships, which were sanctioned by > the IFC for the > first year ever, are *open*. They would not have > been sanctioned if > they were not! ... > The European Championships, > at least as they were sanctioned this year, were > just like any other > open tournament -- the best player got first place. This answers my questions exactly. Thanks Steve. Good to know non-Euros are welcome to compete in this tournament. :-) This means we can save our money up for Prague next year! See ya, jane From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 07:14:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01915 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:14:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1001.mail.yahoo.com (web1001.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.91]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA12761 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:23:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 6577 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2000 14:23:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000807142313.6576.qmail@web1001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.36.247.32] by web1001.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 07 Aug 2000 07:23:13 PDT Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 07:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahren Gehrman Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey. Sorry for causing so much hype. I'm not really that good at footbag. Torch p.s. Unless somebody wants to loan me a large sum of money, I might be stuck in Europe for a while and miss worlds. Not joking. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 19:31:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04119 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:31:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4005.mail.yahoo.com (web4005.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.39]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA27845 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:13:44 -0700 Message-ID: <20000808141259.14998.qmail@web4005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.218.209.36] by web4005.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 07:12:59 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:12:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Fournier Subject: [freestyle] Footbag X-Games To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I emailed the X-Games and asked them if they were ever gonna have a footbag freestyle competetion, and they emailed me back saying they were thinking about adding one in the year 2003!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 19:31:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04114 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:31:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22033 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:34:44 -0700 Received: from patti.excite.com ([199.172.148.159]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000808103425.IFYJ25214.bucky.excite.com@patti.excite.com> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:34:25 -0700 Message-ID: <6735550.965730865409.JavaMail.imail@patti.excite.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:34:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Wulff Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Trivia Style 10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.254.24.241 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Crazy Blades & Welcome to the final episode of "Trivia Style"!! I had a little goof on trivia #9 where I left out a detail to a question making it a bit confusing. It wasn't intentional BUT you did have to know your stuff to realize I goofed. 2 People caught me before I corrected myself and they got 3 bonus adds. More details are in the answer below. I want to say THANK YOU to a record number of new players and WELCOME 4 new folks on the scoreboard. answers for #9 >1. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old... Who is the >self proclaimed(and worthy) "Father of Freestyle"? a. Jack Schoolcraft b. Rick Reese c. Bruce Guettich d. Neil Young e. Jim Caveney answer... Jack Schoolcraft >2. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old... In the >1990's only 2 people have won a professional world championship >in a net event and also a *SINGLES* freestyle event. Kenny >Shults of course is one. Who is the other? answer... Tricia George Originally I left out the *SINGLES* part of the question leaving the door open for 1 more person I think. Lisa McDaniel won a professional women's team freestyle title along with net titles. Sorry, you did not get adds for this answer after I posted the correction. >3. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 adds for old... Before the >Rod Laver, what was the "shoe of choice" for the cutting edge shredders? answer... Le Coq Sportif Okay... time for #10 While producing "Trivia Style"... :) I have come across several interesting tid bits of info or others have shared with me interesting stories about the days of old. I can't always work them into trivia, but I will include a few "Random Notes" below with the trivia sprinkled in. :) Random notes... by James Roberts "In 1991 Brent Welch's and Etienne Constable's routines had to be video-verified for a drop b/c of the minor difference in their scores. One of Etienne's drops was when he reached down to pick up a drop and touched the bag but missed on his attempt to pick it up (minus .25)...DOH! How's that for controversy? Because of the minor discrepency and since they were freestyle partners, Brent pulled himself from singles competition. What a sport, huh? " 1. 4 adds for new schoolers and 3 for old schoolers... who's brainchild was the "Big Add Posse"? 2. Worth 1 add each.... Name the members in the first generation(original members) of BAP... BAP nicknames are required. You will loose 1 add for every person named who was not an original member. Random Notes... Peter Irish won his first 3 titles wearing other peoples shoes. His first title was won in a pair of shoes borrowed from none other than Rick Reese himself. Dennis Jones now owns these shoes. At least his next 2 were won in his Dad's old running shoes. These shoes were later featured by themselves on a Funtastik tournament t-shirt. 3. If you can give me an answer within 3(over or under) than you get 3 adds... How many times had Peter Irish gone "Ground Zero"(dropless) in singles open freestyle competition? "Random Notes".... Steven Blough 4. 3 adds for new schoolers and 2 for old... What 2 things were similar about Rick Reese' freestyle routine from 1988 & 1998? "Random Notes"... WAY back in the day freestylers would seek out a nice patch of GRASS to "shred on". 5. 3 adds... Sam Conlon has won the most open women's singles Freestyle World Championships. Who has won the most open singles freestyle WC's? How many? I could go on & on but It's gotta end somewhere and this is where it ends. It's been fun. I'll be back one more time with answers. Hopefully before worlds. Don't worry, the winner will be reimbursed for his/her entrance fee to worlds. Looking forward to being in Vancouver BC for the FWC 2000! It's past Ironman's bed time... Good Night :) Current Standings... Since #9 Aaron Edggerton - 7 Adrian Dick - 14 Alex Ibardaloza - 6 Andrew McCarger - 16 Antti Lehikoinen - 1 Becca - 60 Bob Green - 30 Brad Kaplin - 28 Brian Kimball - 1 Bryan Fournier - 2 Cole Hobson - 6 Cory Current - 24 Danny Cardonne - 4 Dave Reid - 7 Dennis Lee - 3 Derric Schroeder - 4 Eli Piltz - *** +2 Eric "Wicked" Windsor - 17 Ernest Crvch - 11 GF Smoothie - 60 Ian Dubman - 31 James Roberts - 11 Jeremiah J. Riley - 6 Jon Schneider - 61 Ken "Ceiling Fan" Semolinos - 51 MatthewL329@aol.com - 2 Mickey Mayer - 5 Mike Stoler - 4 Phillip Summers - 3 Sam Colchough - 5 Scott "The Enlightener" Davidson - 11 Sebastian Duchesne - 10 Shredstein - 7 Stan Sagalovskiy - 8 Tina Lewis - 16 Tuan Vu - 17 Tu Vu - 6 Ville Laakso - 16 Vince Bradley - 33 Yacine - 9 _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 19:31:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04124 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:31:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1004.mail.yahoo.com (web1004.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.94]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA30552 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:42:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 19242 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2000 15:42:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000808154211.19241.qmail@web1004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.36.247.77] by web1004.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 08:42:10 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:42:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahren Gehrman Subject: [freestyle] saved To: freestyle discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, Somebody actually had a large sum of money to loan me. See you at worlds. Torch From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 20:06:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04291 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:06:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04288 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:06:12 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07865 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:31:33 -0700 Received: from [24.16.28.189] by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000808193115.KFDW20342.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.28.189]> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:31:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000808141259.14998.qmail@web4005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20000808141259.14998.qmail@web4005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 12:31:09 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag X-Games Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 7:12 AM -0700 8/8/00, Bobby Fournier wrote: >Hey all, >I emailed the X-Games and asked them if they were ever >gonna have a footbag freestyle competetion, and they >emailed me back saying they were thinking about adding >one in the year 2003!!!! Just for clarity's sake, we've got a good relationship with the X-games, thanks in no small part to Sunil's persistence. :-) But others are to thank as well. We did a huge demo last year at the X-Games in SF, some may recall, and it was well received (but didn't make it on air, I don't think). They actually let me on the mic in front of throngs of crowds while the local gang (which ain't no small potatoes, let me tell you) shredded on stage. It was rad. Anyway, unfortunately this year it's exactly the same week as Worlds, so very few people will be in town for it. It's only in San Francisco for two years. Oh well. Steve P.S. Bobby, the most common way to avoid having to answer repeated queries is to give a date that's totally random sometime in the future. I seriously doubt they really plan to include it. Footbag is not really extreme. This US mentality that the only cool sports are extreme ones is really annoying. The Europeans are way cooler about it. Except we have to beat some sense into those nationalists who think US players shouldn't come to their events. :-) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 21:55:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04619 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:55:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f150.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.150]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA09255 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:11:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 43766 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 2000 20:11:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000808201105.43765.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <398E394E.298B4E5E@novagate.net> Received: from 172.129.118.114 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:11:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [172.129.118.114] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 13:11:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ryan masuga wrote: >Hey all- > >I've been kicking in Adidas Ilie Nastase models for the past 6 months and >love them. They have the same base as a Laver, but the material on top is >different, and they have three blue stripes on each side. The toe box is >noticeably wider than on the Lavers. I saw Ryans nastasse shoes and they were just like lavers but better looking, most nastasse shoes are made of leather but but his are mesh. I have a feeling they are hard to find. If i could find em id try em, my 8 month old laver millenniums are already wearing through the sole- the rubber wears like a pencil eraser, good thing i have shoe goo! BTW Im still looking for a ride into vancouver from my siters house 75 miles south of vancouver and off of I 5, and does anyone have directions to the hostel? See u all next week! Jon Nagela From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 22:19:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04790 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:19:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f38.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.38]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12942 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:41:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:41:14 -0700 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:41:14 NZST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag X-Games Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2000 21:41:14.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[604FB7E0:01C00181] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In response to the discussion about footbag being a televised sport at the X games, i think that in terms of the growth of the sport perhaps this would have been a good platform for the sport to present itself to the young generations.All young people need is exposure to the kinds of tricks,television coverage and the internet seems an ideal way to do this.Unfortuneately with television coverage, a sport isn't shown on tv proportionately to the amount of skill a sport requires, and athletes aren't payed proportionately to the amount of skill they perform either. Take for example the saturation exposure of a sport like rugby here in Nz or maybe football in the Us,mainly composing of gross motor skills and physical strength,for some reason people prefer to see this(don't get me wrong though, i do enjoy a game of rugby)personally i'd rather see a freestyler land a ducking paradox torque though. ?- Is there any tv coverage of the Footbag finals? Or should i ask have you found an advertiser?? Jono Heyes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Aug 8 22:40:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04940 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:40:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web703.mail.yahoo.com (web703.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.23]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13452 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:55:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 8872 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 2000 22:13:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000808221301.8871.qmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [63.206.192.239] by web703.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:13:01 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: chris wollick Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag X-Games To: Steve Goldberg Cc: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve Goldberg wrote: >Footbag is >not really extreme. why not try for the gravity games? after all, footbag does involve gravity. -chris From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 03:04:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05830 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:04:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4602.mail.yahoo.com (web4602.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.157]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13825 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:07:18 -0700 Message-ID: <20000808220636.18336.qmail@web4602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.2.11.34] by web4602.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:06:36 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 15:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: john kingi Subject: [freestyle] Ducking what? To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey people. If a Drifter Swirl is called a Swifter..... Does that mean a Ducking Torque is called a Dork. Johnny P.s. I'll probably get hounded for this. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 03:04:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05839 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:04:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17453 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:00:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA19550 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:59:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:59:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunil Subhash Jani cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is European Masters an Open Championship? In-Reply-To: <20000807142313.6576.qmail@web1001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Ahren Gehrman wrote: > I'm not really that good at footbag. Lying bitch. -SSJ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 03:05:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05864 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:05:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17594 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:06:23 -0700 Received: from yahoo.com ([24.67.226.235]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000809000606.TNTA5839.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@yahoo.com>; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 17:06:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3990A05E.FA625BCF@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 17:05:50 -0700 From: Curtis Vogt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: masuga@novagate.net CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes References: <398E394E.298B4E5E@novagate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ilie Nastase's, Rod Lavers, and Stan Smyths are all very similar except for a few things (the mesh on top, the stripes... etc) Where I live, the Nastase's and Smyths are way more common than the Lavers... One of the veterans in the Kelowna Footbag Club (Jeff Lopes, Kelowna's in BC Canada by the way) shreds in Nastase's, and he rips it up in them. They seem to work great! ryan masuga wrote: > Hey all- > > I've been kicking in Adidas Ilie Nastase models for the past 6 months and love > them. They have the same base as a Laver, but the material on top is different, > and they have three blue stripes on each side. The toe box is noticeably wider > than on the Lavers. I wore them to Midwest Regionals and everyone was asking me > what they were, if I drew the stripes on them myself, etc. It seems that no one > there had ever seen them before. Anyone else kick in these shoes? I found them > at some Adidas outlet near Ann Arbor, MI about two years ago and just decided > to break them out a few months back. They're great! I have never seen any since > - maybe they can be found online at these shoe websites everyone talks about. > > ryan masuga > 3rd Coast Footbag Dept. > West Michigan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 03:05:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05876 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:05:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailgate.novagate.net (IDENT:root@mailgate.novagate.net [205.138.138.22]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19118 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 18:07:40 -0700 Received: from novagate.net (AS5800-3-81.GrandHaven.novagate.net [208.21.102.81]) by mailgate.novagate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA20301; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3990AFED.3E5AA72C@novagate.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:12:15 -0400 From: ryan masuga Reply-To: masuga@novagate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Lino Schmidt CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Shoes References: <398E394E.298B4E5E@novagate.net> <000e01c0018f$dfabc020$018090d4@quarktasche> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I prefer the Nastases to the Lavers because of the "deadening" effect of the bag on the in/outsides. My last pair of lavers hurts my feet. The only good pair of Lavers I've ever had was my first pair, but they're wearing very thin so I only break them out every once in a while - like a fine wine. I can't tell if they're more like rags or slippers. I haven't had any problems with the stripes on the Nastases - in fact, I'm playing better now than I ever have, wearing the "Na-Nastys". Kick on! ryan 3cFD West Michigan Matthias Lino Schmidt wrote: > Hey Ryan, > > Yes, I know the Nastases, many players in our club in Berlin use them > because they are available in shops in France (and so easier and cheaper to > get than ordering lavers online and paying lots of shipping fees). But I > think they are worse than Lavers because > > the material on top is different, and they have three blue stripes on each > side. > The material on top is not only different, it is much thicker and you can > feel the bag less good on your inside (feeling the bag through thin fabric > is very helpfull for executing osis). From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 03:06:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05887 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:06:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f225.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.225]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21794 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:29:53 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:29:12 -0700 Received: from 205.189.152.11 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.189.152.11] From: "Mike Del Borrello" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:29:12 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 02:29:12.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AB4E0E0:01C001A9] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hell-o, I was just thinking about the fact that there have been no tournaments absolutely anywhere NEAR Toronto Ontario. Yea, sure the Worlds are in Vancouver but that's 4 provinces over!, all I'm trying to say is that someone should hold a tournament in Toronto, or at least Ontario so people like me can actually see other people like me. p.s. I was just wondering what Ryan Mulroney gets out of being sponsored by Wham-o. o o \_/ Mike D | A.K.A. :(SNAKEeYES): ^ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 03:24:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05932 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:24:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com (mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com [24.12.106.240]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22437 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:44:21 -0700 Received: from home.com ([24.3.108.124]) by mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000809024404.DNFZ1767.mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:44:04 -0700 Message-ID: <3990C62C.8CC55017@home.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:47:09 -0400 From: Justin Petaccio Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok, well try living in PA (pennsylvania) i know there was that philly smurf and all, but besides that...there is NOTHING!!! nothing near me...there is stuff in kansas, but nothing in pa, stuff in idaho, but nothing in pa!!!! P.S. hmm, nice way to sound, this being the first time i actually sent a message on this list =P From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 03:51:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06016 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:51:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06013 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 03:51:19 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24035 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:16:38 -0700 Received: from [24.16.28.189] by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000809031621.MGVP20342.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.28.189]> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:16:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3990C62C.8CC55017@home.com> References: <3990C62C.8CC55017@home.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:16:26 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:47 PM -0400 8/8/00, Justin Petaccio wrote: >Ok, well try living in PA (pennsylvania) i know there was that >philly smurf and all, but besides that...there is NOTHING!!! nothing >near me...there is stuff in kansas, but nothing in pa, stuff in >idaho, but nothing in pa!!!! Try living *anywhere* where there is hardly *anything*! Welcome to footbag. This is a *small* sport. Rather than complain about how few events there are in your area, attend the ones you can, and offer to organize one in your area if there aren't any. That's what the club list on footbag.org is for -- to help people nearby gain critical mass so they can organize events. But please, don't everyone write me now and ask how you can put on a tournament. I obviously don't know. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 04:29:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06324 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:29:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f279.hotmail.com [216.32.180.133]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24688 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:33:24 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:32:43 -0700 Received: from 24.200.98.89 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.98.89] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:32:43 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 03:32:43.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A3760F0:01C001B2] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ok so no tournaments in ontario but in Montreal, Quebec (that's approx. 5 hours in car from toronto, i think) we had 2 tournaments this year... and we have a lots of freestylers here!! Danny From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 04:30:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06337 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:30:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mx2.magma.ca (mx2.magma.ca [206.191.0.250]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25004 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:41:22 -0700 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6.magma.ca [206.191.0.248]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15198 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave (port80.magma.ca [206.191.5.80]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA10661 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002101c001b3$1007e320$0b01010a@dave> In-Reply-To: From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] No tournaments in Ontario!?!? Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:36:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mike wrote: >I was just thinking about the fact that there have been no tournaments >absolutely anywhere NEAR Toronto Ontario. Yea, sure the Worlds are in >Vancouver but that's 4 provinces over!, all I'm trying to say is that >someone should hold a tournament in Toronto, or at least Ontario so people >like me can actually see other people like me. That someone sounds like you. Hold a tournament and lure down the Montreal crowd. I will make every effort to attend as well. Surely Toronto can pump out some stylers who can compete with lil old Montreal! :) Montreal has had 2 tourney's this year with good freestyle attendance. You should make that trip if you don't want to hold your own tourney. Dave (in Ottawa) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 04:32:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06349 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:32:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f105.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.105]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25033 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:41:34 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:40:51 -0700 Received: from 64.92.8.57 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Aug 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.92.8.57] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: circle_lord@yahoo.com, Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ducking what? Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:40:51 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20000808220636.18336.qmail@web4602.mail.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2000 03:40:51.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D24EAF0:01C001B3] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org if ya gonna do that, you should spell it "Dorque" Stan p.s. probably john kingi wrote: >If a Drifter Swirl is called a Swifter..... >Does that mean a Ducking Torque is called a Dork. > >Johnny > >P.s. I'll probably get hounded for this. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 04:39:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06388 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:39:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c1mailgw05.prontomail.com ([216.163.184.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25518 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:48:42 -0700 Received: from c1web110 (216.163.188.210) by c1mailgw05.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.1.039) id 3977BB6D001BC66C for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 20:47:50 -0700 X-Version: homestead 6.0 .2425.0 From: "Frank Montanaro" Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:41:38 -0500 X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Move name? X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey I'm a novice in fooybag and started hacking about 4 months ago and am 1 of a few that can really hack it down here.This being my first question I was wondering if there is a move name for kicking outside kicks over your head and hitting it with the opposite foot.I call it a rainbow but is there a real name for it? Frank(dahacker) |-| /-\ [ |< `|' $ /-\ [ |< From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Aug 9 23:35:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09655 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:35:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: major