From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 1 00:36:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14624 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 00:36:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01255 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:37:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 26254 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2000 04:37:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20001001043748.26253.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.57] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:37:48 PDT Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:37:48 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] symposium tomohawk ;) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone, I'm really happy, I just had a killer session. Hit my 5th six-adder not including weakside blurry torque. Symposium tomohawk! See the small, 3 second, 700KB mpg video slightly slo mo'd...... http://members.xoom.com/shreddined/phattrick/tjamez14.mpg Bye, James Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 1 12:12:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15654 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:12:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05489 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 00:39:06 -0700 Received: from c4720a ([24.178.207.137]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001001073905.ZLMW20964.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@c4720a>; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 00:39:05 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c02b84$2948fae0$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> In-Reply-To: <20000927055126.20035.qmail@web1003.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Richard Reese" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dancing Queen (was Adds-the history) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 01:46:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Rippin here, Who is Sandra O'conner anyway. Ahren is good at sarcasm ....... and Footbag. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 1 12:13:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15665 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:13:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f273.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21102 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:42:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:42:11 -0700 Received: from 152.163.207.62 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:42:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.207.62] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: cloudriz@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium tomohawk ;) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 10:42:11 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20001001043748.26253.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2000 17:42:11.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED5DAAD0:01C02BCE] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Risden wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I'm really happy, I just had a killer session. >Hit my 5th six-adder not including weakside blurry >torque. Symposium tomohawk! See the small, 3 second, >700KB mpg video slightly slo mo'd...... > >http://members.xoom.com/shreddined/phattrick/tjamez14.mpg > >Bye, >James Risden Ehh....'tis anothing without tha loop! ~Bryan Fournier OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach, CA. ::long live The Simpsons:: From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 1 12:13:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15677 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:13:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22627 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:24:48 -0700 Received: from [198.202.67.188] (198.202.67.188) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 1 Oct 2000 11:27:06 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:21:47 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: [freestyle] Score shred with Perl Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Got Perl? Want to Play with Footbag Freestyle related perl modules ? I put my code into a file for download at http://www.msu.edu/~kenned57 Cameron -- I'll just leave you with this: in our society, actual work is done by a large amount of people; products are produced by a large amount of people, etc. Yet the small few at the top who do not actually produce any products; who do not know how or want to actually work for a living; who attempt to administrate despite their complete lack of knowledge about what is actually produced; those people retain the largest cut of the money and hand out the rest to everyone else who did something. Is there something wrong with this societal model?? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 1 13:10:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16033 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:10:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16030 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:10:32 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26387 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:10:12 -0700 Received: from [24.16.29.242] by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20001001201007.LEEG27764.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.29.242]> for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:10:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39D12B16.24549.695031@localhost> References: <39CFC501.24629.32C29F4@localhost> <39D12B16.24549.695031@localhost> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:10:08 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dancing Queen (was Adds - The History) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:02 PM -0600 9/26/00, Sandra O'Connor wrote: >Additionally, when we first put .com up we recevied about 15 very >nasty (and I mean nasty) emails, and continual badgering from >Goldberg. Hmm. Nasty? Judge for yourself. The entire e-mail dialog between me, Sandra, and Steve Blough is now posted at: http://www.footbag.org/footbag.com.dialog.txt >In regard to WHY .org is not listed in our site I can tell you it is a >decison taken in response to WHY .org does not relate to footbag >dance and other forms of freestyle, to the fact that the discussion >list for freestyle has been presented as "advanced freestyle" and as >"very technical" as though to say juggling is the only freestyle that >counts. We do not believe this to be true so we do not support this >concept by promoting .org in any way. If .org would really open up >and allow all freestyle to be discussed, pleasantly, to recognize all >freestyle, then we might change our mind about a link. Hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah! :-) >Additonaly, the personal emails I have had from >Steve Goldberg are ugly, liblous, demeaning, and thoroughly >disgusting. All because I dare to say my opinion. Umm, if you read through the above webpage you'll see that all I've ever done was to try to correct Sandra's (and Steve's) misconceptions. Except for one deleted comment (which is not *that* bad, but we've both agreed should be deleted from public view), all my mail has been reasonable. But again, judge for yourself. The e-mail really does speak for itself. I make no apologies for anything I have written to Sandra or Steve. I think you'll be amazed when you read the thread. :-) But you have to read it all, at least from 1996 through the end of 1997. Enjoy. :-) Steve P.S. I think there may be messages missing but I have not been able to locate them. I hope if Sandra has saved her e-mail she will send me the missing messages. This webpage is meant to give full disclosure so the world can judge for itself. I am happy to insert any other e-mail that surfaces into the page. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 1 23:08:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16872 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:08:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c1mailgw04.prontomail.com ([216.163.184.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05954 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:49:12 -0700 Received: from c1web103 (216.163.184.10) by c1mailgw04.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.1.050) id 39D79E85000085AA for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:48:00 -0700 X-Version: homestead 6.0 .2425.0 From: "Frank Montanaro" Message-Id: <0007FA085F794D115A650005B82A159F@megaed.homestead.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:40:41 -0500 X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag Video Game X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey , guess what I'm actually working on a game called FOOTBAG FEVER. It won't have the best graphics but it will have Freestyle, Net and maybe golf and circle. Check my site in a couple of weeks for the release http://go.to/born2hack . Chill, Frank Check out Born2Hack's site http://go.to/born2hack |-|/-\[|<`|' $/-\[|< From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 07:24:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17402 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:24:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA25863 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:51:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 9735 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2000 13:51:01 -0000 Received: from blndi4-145-253-076-090.arcor-ip.net (HELO quarktasche) (145.253.76.90) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 13:51:01 -0000 Message-ID: <009601c02c77$a815b860$5a4cfd91@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: Subject: [freestyle] Czech footbag......... Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:49:56 +0200 Organization: Schmidt Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi (people on this) list, for all those of you still believing Germany was the last country before a cultural border, go to www.hakis.f2s.com! The website is in Czech, but the most interesting aspect is easy to find: They have some videos (minor quality, major style) representing Czech Republic's shredders including the one and only Dexter, king of flyers and jumping style, and some other nice stylers (I'd even say Czechs have their own special style...:o). You will probably notice really few of them wear Lavers..... The videos are taken in Kampa Park (except of Dexter01.mpg, being taken from his routine at the German Masters...), the local shredder's meeting point. If you will come to Prague for the next European Masters, you got to hang around in this park - I really enjoyed it! Keep shreddin', Matthias.......... _____________________________________ "Der reißende Fluss wird gewalttätig genannt, aber das Ufer, das ihn einengt, nennt keiner gewalttätig." _____________________________________ www.footbagfreestyle.de/videos/shreds/em2000/matth01n.mpg www.footbagfreestyle.de/videos/shreds/gffb2000/matze2.mpg www.parlament-berlin.de/wgr From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 22:34:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18509 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:34:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16829 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:50:50 -0700 Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu (bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by mailjay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02569 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:50:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:50:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Sean Wingert To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dancing Queen (was Adds - The History) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve Goldberg wrote: >I think you'll be amazed when you read the thread. :-) But you have >to read it all, at least from 1996 through the end of 1997. Enjoy. :-) Normally, I don't read long posts, but I just had to read http://www.footbag.org/footbag.com.dialog.txt. And, if you're at all interested, you will NOT be *bored* by that exchange. In fact, after reading thos e-mails, I'm a little bit concerned (and definately confused) about what exactly Steve Blough and Sandra O'Conner DO with footbag, and specifically, what their "philosophy" means. Statements like (1) "The fact that you are putting on the Stanford Tournament is proof that you support what the rules committee is doing and, therefore, have an agenda pertaining to tournaments and their rules which shows through, loud and clearly, in footbag.org" or (2) "I would like to stop the rhetoric and your accusatory manner in dealing with any problems we have, and instead address the very real issues in the footbag community which have their genesis in the rules committee," (3) "If I hear another accuation of defamation of character or slander you will be sued," or (4) "You censor everthing we send to your discussion group. You're afraid of us for some unknown reason or just following suit of which has been going on for 20+ years"--suggest a kind of paranoia against some conspiracy headed by the WFA/Rules Comittee/Advisory Board and all masterminded by Steve Goldberg. I have nothing against "alternative" approaches to footbag (and specifically "freestyle"--whatever that is supposed to mean to them), but I am a little worried about footbag *promoters* who demonstrtate (privately or not) signs of unjustified paranoia--I say "unjustified" because Blough and O'Connor often respond to Steve with comments that seem to come totally from left-field (and they're usually not nice). Sean From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 22:35:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18520 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:35:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f85.hotmail.com [216.32.181.85]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21003 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:18:50 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:18:47 -0700 Received: from 142.177.194.136 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 01:18:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.194.136] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dancing Queen (was Adds - The History) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 01:18:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 01:18:47.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[E115FFC0:01C02CD7] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve Goldberg (brat@footbag.org) wrote: >Hmm. Nasty? Judge for yourself. The entire e-mail dialog between me, >Sandra, and Steve Blough is now posted at: > >http://www.footbag.org/footbag.com.dialog.txt Well, that e-mail dialog was interesting, to say the least. Don't know how many other people read that, but I would like to hear some takes on it. Personally, I am behind Steve (Brat, not Danceman) 100 percent. I read every single one of those e-mails, and everytime Steve seemed to be asking something reasonble, they disagreed, seemingly just to be difficult, and made life tough for Steve. I don't know what it is, but Sandra definitely is someone who is hard to understand. I don't think she understands the concept of a link, and how a link to her site, is a GOOD thing. Cole Hobson Broken Ankle. http://footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 22:35:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18531 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:35:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22997 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:13:08 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:11:53 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:08:01 -0700 Message-ID: <01C02CA4.15D4CC20.ewulff@jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Score shred with Perl Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:08:00 -0700 Organization: JSI SHIPPING X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Cameron Kennedy signed off with.... >Yet the small few at the top who do not actually >produce any products; who do not know how or want to actually work for a >living; who attempt to administrate despite their complete lack of >knowledge about what is actually produced; those people retain the largest >cut of the money and hand out the rest to everyone else who did something. >Is there something wrong with this societal model?? Is this a quote from Sandra O'Conner? :):) Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 22:36:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18542 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:36:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f190.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.190]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24448 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:52:24 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:51:49 -0700 Received: from 24.67.226.58 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:51:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.67.226.58] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pixie Cross Body Rake and Fairy Cross body rake Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:51:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 02:51:49.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[E08BFC50:01C02CE4] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey ya'll.... I hit these moves today and I was just wondering whey they werent on the freestyle list cause they look sweet. Also I have givin my opinion on the names these should have. Pixie Cross Body Rake JOBS: Toe>Same In>Same X-Body Rake. This should be called PIKE Fairy Cross Body Rake JOBS: Toe>Same Out>Same X-Body Rake. This should be called FAKE Anyway, I just want peoples opinions on these moves, I thought they had a cool style look to them. Some people at the college watching liked em to. PIXIE AND FAIRY MOVES RULE! RAKE RULES! Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 22:36:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18553 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:36:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27334 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:18:43 -0700 Received: from pacbell.net ([64.160.27.60]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G1U00DST6IV05@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:15:53 -0700 From: Chris Pinkus Subject: [freestyle] SF Bay Area Fall Festival To: freestyle footbag Reply-to: blitzkrieger@footbag.org Message-id: <39D95D79.CA3A429F@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all Southern California (and SF) footbaggers! I have a bit of problem right now. I have NO way of getting to the SF Bay Area Fall Festival tournament this weekend, and I never went to a tournament before. I live in Los Angeles. I don't drive yet, and none of my friends will take me. My mom (yes, I'm 18 and still under her control) won't let me go anywhere with a stranger cause she is 'paranoid'. Ok, I was thinking about hitching a ride with someone around my area, but my mom won't trust anyone. I can get money for a hotel or whatever, maybe split the price with someone if possible. Anyone have any suggestions? or should I just wait til next time and make my mom happy? Chris Pinkus From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 23:09:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18757 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:09:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f282.hotmail.com [216.32.180.136]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30981 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:53:57 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:53:27 -0700 Received: from 129.93.213.17 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 05:53:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.213.17] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] atomic spin set Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 00:53:26 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 05:53:27.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FE39A50:01C02CFE] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've been out of the loop a little lately, I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for the atomic set followed by a spin. It's probably got a name, I just don't know it. For example atomic set from a right toe, spin to the right and pretty much gyro mirage it after that. Who has been working this set? Brian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 23:10:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18771 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:10:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f54.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.54]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31238 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:03:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:03:24 -0700 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 06:03:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: jlopes69@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Cross Body Rake and Fairy Cross body rake Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:03:23 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 06:03:24.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3A472C0:01C02CFF] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi stylers. Jeff Lopes wrote: >Pixie Cross Body Rake >This should be called PIKE It's called swerve. >Fairy Cross Body Rake >This should be called FAKE It's called freak. But really, what's in a name? Ken From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 23:11:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18782 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:11:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31339 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:08:16 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust12.tnt54.chi5.da.uu.net [63.11.94.12]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21746; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39D977D1.AF5475C0@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 01:08:17 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cole Hobson , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dancing Queen (was Adds - The History) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well, I generally agree, this is how I look at it. In short, Sandra O'Connor and Steve Blough have very strong views about society and read way too deeply into a game (sport, activity, pastime, or whatever you like to call it, Footbag) and while they're saying that they're non confrontational and non competitive, they seem to be very much in competition with "jugglers" as they call them, as much as they say they're inclusive they elude to the fact that they think their way is "THE RIGHT WAY" and that disturbs me, not just because it's hypocritical, but (like them) I don't like other people trying to control me and the things I do. In conclusion, I have nothing against footbag.com in general, and maybe I'm just being paranoid like them and they don't think like that, but that's how I see it. Tim Werner, Mononucleosis. Chicago Inner Circle. Cole Hobson wrote: > >http://www.footbag.org/footbag.com.dialog.txt > > Well, that e-mail dialog was interesting, to say the least. Don't know how > many other people read that, but I would like to hear some takes on it. > Personally, I am behind Steve (Brat, not Danceman) 100 percent. I read > every single one of those e-mails, and everytime Steve seemed to be asking > something reasonble, they disagreed, seemingly just to be difficult, and > made life tough for Steve. I don't know what it is, but Sandra definitely > is someone who is hard to understand. I don't think she understands the > concept of a link, and how a link to her site, is a GOOD thing. > > Cole Hobson > Broken Ankle. > http://footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 07:54:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19442 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:54:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f209.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.209]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10062 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:15:08 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:14:37 -0700 Received: from 211.117.39.55 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:14:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.117.39.55] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: webmaster@footbag.com Subject: The Art of Footbag (was: Re: [freestyle] Dancing Queen...) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:14:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 12:14:37.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FC2AAA0:01C02D33] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Gang, I read the entire dialog, it was interesting, if wearisome reading. I thank Steve G. for putting it up for the public (even if I know his motivation), because it provides us with a foundation of fact to judge Footbag.com's frequent, public and insulting accusations. (skip to the last paragraph if you're tired of this thred) I have to say this whole thing is REALLY SILLY. We all play and love footbag. I should think those who play themselves, even if they restrict their style to dexterity-less, stall-less dance, to triples-ness, or even to kicking naked in the dark, should be happy to see anyone playing, in any manor and having fun. I don't see how footbag.com can only provide information about a very limited style of freestyle dance and call it "the true art of freestyle." I don't see how they can insult other styles of freestyle (contorted, and unhealthy anyone?) while saying they embrace all styles of freestyle, not "just juggling", which by the way includes many aspects of dance, but is not limited to it. If you want to limit yourself to, and only teach about one style of footbag, that's fine, I limit myself to certain moves (I keep a list, how anal is that?), but you're doing a disservice to the community if you don't point the way to other styles for those who don't share the love of your niche. I even have a link to footbag.com on my website, but after seeing how totally foundationless their rather public accusations about him (on their site) are, I'll take it down as soon as I can. They are preaching hate and I don't support it. I also don't see how they can accuse Steve G. of trying to control the sport to his own agenda. Sometimes I agree with him, often I've disagreed or argued with him. He can even come off as a control freak at times (sorry Brat), BUT he has always been totally fair, and he has earned my respect. He donates long hours of his nonexistent time, listens to our question, and requests and puts up with a lot of our crap, all for the love of the game, and the respect of fellow players (or a secret plot for world domination, who knows (sorry had to stick that in;) ). If his site is biased, it's because someone hasn't provided the information. Footbag.org isn't his private preaching box, there is information from a lot of people there. He, like most of us that love this small sport, is doing his best to support footbag's growth. Footbag.org is created by players, or atleast by our wishes. If you insult it, you're insulting a LOT of us. This divisionism is doing absolutely NO ONE any good, and it needs to stop. What is the art of footbag? Keeping a bag in the air without your arms. See that period at the end of that sentence? Whatever else you do within that context is fine by me. BUT when you introduce someone to the sport, PLEASE point the way to other styles of play incase they don't care for yours (you'll notice footbag.org does this). This sport is still very small, we can't aford any "mine is better," actually, we can't aford to lose anyone. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:21:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20617 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:21:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19491; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:36:33 -0700 Received: from c4720a ([24.178.207.137]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001003163631.WROJ20964.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@c4720a>; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:36:31 -0700 Message-ID: <003001c02d61$91ebc800$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> From: "Richard Reese" To: , , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Cross Body Rake and Fairy Cross body rake Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:44:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, Rippin, here. Swerve is not a Pixie cross-body rake. Swerve is a cross body rake set from a clipper, basically a drifter bail to a rake. Not to create any controversy, but at worlds many of us decided to call fairy set Neo instead, for instance, Neo double leg over..etc. So neo cross body rake is pretty cool. A Pixie cross body rake, if not done right, is just a smeer, so a person has to emphasize the set to make it a rake instead. One more thing, symposium infiniti ( not butterfly), infiniti, IS just one step from a superfly Ryan, thanks Kenny Shults for clarifying that, maybe I'll just hit superfly all the time, back and forth, because It's just one step further than barfly, not that much harder, right! Infiniti to symposium infiniti, this just in, It's harder, see how many of each of these you can do consecutively, I rest my case. Rippin' out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "KeN Somolinos" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Cross Body Rake and Fairy Cross body rake > > > Hi stylers. > > Jeff Lopes wrote: > > >Pixie Cross Body Rake > >This should be called PIKE > > It's called swerve. > > >Fairy Cross Body Rake > >This should be called FAKE > > > It's called freak. > > But really, what's in a name? > Ken From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:21:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20627 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:21:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web9008.mail.yahoo.com (web9008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.170]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24340 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:35:22 -0700 Message-ID: <20001003183451.2329.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.17.48.39] by web9008.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:34:51 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Wilson Subject: [freestyle] New Bags To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List, I've just started selling my bags and I want to get them out into the footbag world for some beta testing. I've got "quality" 32 panel facile bags for very cheap. If you are interested, or want more info, e-mail me at mwil3@yahoo.com. Thanks, Mike ===== Ft. Worth Hackaholics Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:26:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20661 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:26:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04203 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:49:07 -0700 Received: from spike.excite.com ([199.172.152.97]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001003224837.HIKQ12294.bucky.excite.com@spike.excite.com> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:48:37 -0700 Message-ID: <32601052.970613317188.JavaMail.imail@spike.excite.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:48:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Allan Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dancing Queen (was Adds - The History) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.232.151.20 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello:) I had originally intended to leave this response off the list cause I really thought that the whole thing was turning into a discussuion about promotion and not Freestyle Footbag.... but given the other posts about this, I figured some of you might be interested. It's Sandra's reply to my raher scathing post: > On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:22:50 -0600, webmaster@footbag.com wrote: > > > We changed the paper because we no longer wanted to make > > political comments in the site. Practically the whole thing is still very much a political statement. > > We have taken out most of any > > reference to juggling but you can still find Steve Blough's > > philosophy in there. Its his philosophy that I kinda have a problem with. I *really* don't want to offend you or Mr. Blough. My opinion of his philosophy is just that,an opinion. > > After all, the site belongs to he and his wife, > > my daughter, Well, actually, I would disagree with this statement on an idealistic level. The basis of creating the WWW was originally to facilitate the *sharing* of information. The "web" doesn't work without "hyperlinks" linking documents to each other so that people can actually access ALL the information there is available about the topic they are researching. The Internet isn't just another way for people to make money. As I stated: www.bloughchi.com would be the appropriate domain name. footbag.com is far too encompassing to be relagated to an expression of personal opinion with no alternative links given so that people can make up their own damn minds what is "wrong" with freestyle footbag. Again at *very least* there should be an obvious link for people to follow. > > and he believes what he believes. I have absolutely NO problem with what Mr. Blough believes or doesn't believe. He has freedom of speech and all those other human rights:) What I object to is the stifling effect that holding a domain name hostage for the sake of espousing a personal opinion and intentially preventing people from easily viewing alternative information has on a burgeoning sport/performance art that needs the most possible legitatmate exposure it can get. Simply by choosing NOT to post a link to www.footbag.org on your site you are not only preventing many people from finding out more about Footbag, you are disabling the very concept of what the Interent is *supposed* to be. > > You must have > > seen him on a bad day (he had cancer in 1996 from Agent Orange > > exposure in Vietnam and barely survived). His courage is admirable. His "revenge" is misdirected against those that would be his support. I regret the tone in which I apraised Mr. Blough's skills. As someone who is "fairly advanced" in freestyle foobag and considers Footbag to be the foremost passion of my life's work, I tend to be overly critical and passionate in my evaluations that are contary to what I believe. Mr.Blough has considerable talent and his control over a footbag is inpiring. > > In regard to design - I > > have had to teach myself what I know, gt no pay and do it out >>of love. An inappropriate and essentially irrelevent comment on my part. My apologies:) There are however many sites that offer free avice for design.http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/ has many good points. Image compression/optimization tutorials are easy to come by as well. Finally,take a look at the [ scrolling="no" ]and [ border=0 ] tags that could beinserted into your [ frameset ] tags to reduced the fragmented look. > > I am Heather Blough's mother. Hopefully, soon you will be > > seeing some more design stuff in there as I intend to update > >the site soon. Looking forward to it:) K.I.S.S. > > Goldberg has the advantage as he is in the websites, > > internet, and computers field and using, as well, a lot of his > > employee's resources. He does 99% of it himself. > > Which is great - never have complained > > about the professional quality of the site's design, That's because it kicks ass!! > > just what it puts forth about freestyle. What exactly does it put forth about freestyle that is so entirely contradictory from Steve's philosophy, except that there is NO political content telling people that *any* style of footbag is "wrong".... there is *nothing* "dicatorial" about www.footbag.org or the mailing list, and the fact that there are *many* links to your site from it only serve to discredit your evaluation of his philosophies to the point of making Mr.Blough and yourself sound like stubborn children that *know* their wrong, but can't admit it. > > I am no longer on the list so cannot respond > > there but feel free to quote this, in its entirety though, if > >you wish. As this transgressed into less of a discussion about freestyle footbag and more about Footbag promotion in general I will not be posting it there. Maybe I'll post it to the general listserve instead. Again, I wish to reiterate that I have no wish to offend you or Mr. Blough. This is just what I believe. --------------------------------------- I wrote this before I read the dialogue that Seve posted. Now I actually regret being so cordial:) Allan K. Haggett http://members.home.com/freestylefootbag _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:27:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20672 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:27:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05262 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:10:55 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G1V03K01N21MG@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:10:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:10:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Adds - The History In-reply-to: To: Sunil Subhash Jani Cc: "Sandra O'Connor" , freestyle@footbag.org, danceman@footbag.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Sandra O'Connor wrote: > > For more on the history of footbag as well as the benefit of eye-foot > > coordination read "Bloughchi - a Rennaisance of Modern > > Sandra O'Connor And SUNIL wrote > I was wondering why there are no links to footbag.org on this footbag.com > site... after all you are obviously using Steve's resources (in the form > of this listserve) to promote your own site. Gosh, Steve is so generous. And I write: Not to mention Freestyle footbag is bashed quite heavily on footbag.COM. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:27:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20683 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:27:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05404 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:13:45 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G1V03K01N6XQO@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:13:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:13:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Adds - The History In-reply-to: To: Derric Scalf Cc: freestyle@footbag.org, danceman@footbag.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Derric Scalf wrote: > Everyone should know the amount of work Steve G has put into footbag. Go to > a tournament and see all the new kids playing... his freebees are helping > this sport grow in ways that are hard to believe. So, to answer your > question about what .org has given out lately... Everything. RIGHT ON!!!!! Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:31:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20699 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:31:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06453 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:38:06 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G1V03J01OBHBI@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:38:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:38:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] xdex and or pdx In-reply-to: <01C027D7.F7031480.ewulff@jsishipping.com> To: Eric Wulff Cc: "'freestyle'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Speaking on blurry drifter and the xdex. On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Eric Wulff wrote: > the BAG to have done rotations around anything? Okay the legs are doing the rotating. > Second, "in theory" what > you're talking about is not considered a dex and never was. A drifter gets > it's add points from... 1- a dex, 2 - a cross body, 3 - a delay. So it's > not going to change for an x-dex. sheesh!... you're really pushin it here > buddy. Yes, but did you see that I was speaking of Blurry Drifter in which there are 2 dexes, 1 pdx, and 1 x-body? So by the time the trick is done the bag has come around the back of the first dex, under and over the second dex and back in front of the leg that did the first dex. I'm not trying to be a pain because I like this whole xdex thing, but I'm trying to clarify the rules and limitations of it. > I will debate this no further... :):) Okay, but that's my response. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:31:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20710 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:31:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07056 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:51:01 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G1V03M01OWMGC@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:50:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:50:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] atomic spin set In-reply-to: To: Brian Mckenzie Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Brian Mckenzie wrote: > I've been out of the loop a little lately, I was wondering if anyone had any > suggestions for the atomic set followed by a spin. It's probably got a name, > I just don't know it. For example atomic set from a right toe, spin to the > right and pretty much gyro mirage it after that. Who has been working this > set? I work on it a little bit and come very close to gyro mirage. I've heard it called a "swing set". Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:33:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20724 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:33:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f186.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.186]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07381 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:58:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:57:47 -0700 Received: from 63.20.91.114 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:57:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.20.91.114] From: "GLeNN Gentzke" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Spanto and Big Applesauce Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:57:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 23:57:47.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAB205E0:01C02D95] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, I was wondering what exactly a Big Applesauce is since it isn't on the list at footbag.org. I saw Shultz and Ryan trying to hit that at worlds and wasn't sure what goes into it. Also, I have an idea for a new trick and it has not yet been named or have i seen it done. Spanto: Outside>same in [dex]>Spin [bod]>(as part of spin) op out [dex]>clip [xbd][del] Basically it's a spinning pixie leg-over set from an outside delay and ending in a clipper. My friend Greg called it a "Spanto" for no reason whatsoever, tell me what you think. And in respone to Jeff Lopes... >Hey ya'll.... > >I hit these moves today and I was just wondering whey they werent on >the >freestyle list cause they look sweet. Also I have givin my opinion on >the >names these should have. > >Pixie Cross Body Rake > >JOBS: Toe>Same In>Same X-Body Rake. This should be called PIKE Nice job, i hit that for the first time today along with my first 4-add move: Symposium Pixie Legover Peace Glenn Gentzke From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:34:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20736 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:34:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from vcn.bc.ca (vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08702 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:21:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA04583; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:21:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Adrian Verhoef To: Brian Mckenzie cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] atomic spin set In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Brian Mckenzie wrote: > I've been out of the loop a little lately, I was wondering if anyone had any > suggestions for the atomic set followed by a spin. It's probably got a name, > I just don't know it. For example atomic set from a right toe, spin to the > right and pretty much gyro mirage it after that. Who has been working this > set? I for one. I'm not sure what it's called but I've hit atomic spinning mirage. It's like doing a rev mirage into a gyro mirage. I'm not sure of the technicalities of the use of "gyro" and "spin" here. Anyway they're lots of fun! Adrian Verhoef -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:36:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20748 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:36:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f6.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12031; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:23:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:23:12 -0700 Received: from 142.231.69.9 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:23:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.231.69.9] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: ripwalk@home.com, Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Cross Body Rake and Fairy Cross body rake Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:23:11 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003001c02d61$91ebc800$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2000 01:23:12.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[A958FD60:01C02DA1] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok Rippin, thanks for that info. I dont remember hearing "Neo" at worlds, but thats a cool name. I just think it would be a lot of work for Steve and Derrick to go through the whole web site and change Fairy to Neo. Whatever, both are cool. Also, in reply to Sean: Right rake to left rake to right rake to spinning rake etc are the moves that I find get the most reaction out of people. Also one of my favorite more simpler "crowd pleaser" type move is pendulem to same rake. Pendulem set rake I guess it would be called. Anyway, keep shreddin'. Jeff Lopes (Kelowna Footbag Club) BC SHRED RULES!! "Richard Reese" wrote: >Hi, Rippin, here. Swerve is not a Pixie cross-body rake. Swerve is a cross >body rake set from a clipper, basically a drifter bail to a rake. Not to >create any controversy, but at worlds many of us decided to call fairy set >Neo instead, for instance, Neo double leg over..etc. So neo cross body >rake >is pretty cool. A Pixie cross body rake, if not done right, is just a >smeer, >so a person has to emphasize the set to make it a rake instead. One >more thing, symposium infiniti ( not butterfly), infiniti, IS just one step >from a superfly Ryan, thanks Kenny Shults for clarifying that, maybe I'll >just hit superfly all the time, back and forth, because It's just one step >further than barfly, not that much harder, right! Infiniti to symposium >infiniti, this just in, It's harder, see how many of each of these you can >do consecutively, I rest my case. Rippin' out. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Oct 4 00:08:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21012 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:08:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23484 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:14:59 -0700 Received: from sammy ([199.172.153.124]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001004061449.JYHG12294.bucky.excite.com@sammy> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:14:49 -0700 Message-ID: <29941030.970640089733.JavaMail.imail@sammy> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:14:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Davidson To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Single Trick Cumulative Scoring Event and other thoughts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.208.141.95 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! I have been meaning to write this to the list for a while. Conformity: I was watching my nearly 2 year old son at a local festival/concert dance his little heart out. Not a worry in the world, entirely his experience, he was into the moment in a way that most adults can never experience. He has very little "knowledge" to cloud his judgement. His dancing style is truly free. Someday, he will likely be exposed to different kinds of dance that have forms and structure all their own. "Point your toes, clean lines" the teacher will say, and his freestyle is corrupted. This will happen over and over, it is part of growing up. Footbag offers a unique opportunity in life to be free, however we have our own forms and structures, both through peer pressure and self-imposed beliefs. My point is that eventually we succomb to microanalysis of movements and relationships (to music), and from that, a way of comparing one performance to another is born. When we look at Olympic sports like Diving, Rythmic Gymnastics and Trampoline, we can see how the freedoms of movement have been judged. We can also gleen some clues into how to build a scoring system that is acceptable in a competition at the level of the Olympics. I have blatantly modified text from http://www.olympics.com (choose your sport and then rules link, I captured the text and forgot to get the links so, oh well). I will focus on the diving system. One thing most of the subjectively judged sports (except diving) have in common is that they start with a possible 10 points, and when the competitor does a violation like separating legs, they have a deduction. This requires a lot of "definitions" that I think the freestylers will all bitch about (the same reason lots of players don't compete) like "what is a form violation", i.e. drops, slops, loss of control, not doing compulsory moves etc. At IFC 2000 meeting I did watch peoples heads nod (some big names) at the notion that a shred-like event might take over freestyle as the premier event. Here is my submission for your perusal (stolen nearly word for word from Diving at the Olympics)... ******** SINGLE TRICK CUMULATIVE Singles and Doubles Players have to attempt a set number of tricks that must be selected from each of the main diving groups. The Singles and Doubles competition consists of five groups (These groups are what need to be defined, see "Conformity" above... my suggestions off the top of my head are): spin-dex, front-dex, cross-dex, spin-cross and "other (for lack of a better word). Degree of difficulty The tricks involve several variables, including spins, delays, dex's, cross-body and unusual surfaces. Each trick, with its variable or combination of variables, is assigned a degree of difficulty, a preordained measure of the skill compared with other dives. For example, a Blurry Whirl score is a 5.0, while a Symposium Blurry Whirl is a 6.0 (this will require a cannonical list, but shouldn't be hard with all the work that has been done on the moves list, we just need to have a panel of people agree on a base value for a move, there WILL be controversies, but so what, it will be close, there is controversy in diving too). The degree of difficulty is a critical component of SINGLE TRICK CUMULATIVE. Originally (in diving), a panel of seven judges scores the individual dives, awarding up to 10 points in half-point increments. The highest and lowest scores are discarded, and the remaining scores are added, then multiplied by the degree of difficulty. In Diving, that number is multiplied by 0.6 to get a final score, simply because diving once used three judges instead of five and multiplying by 0.6 maintains historical perspective. Judging Scores naturally are subjective because judges must rate style as well as technique. The judges work independently, evaluating every stage of a trick. That includes the player's approach, set, execution and controlled completion of the move. Judges look for a smooth but forceful approach. The set should be forceful and confident, showing control and balance. The execution is the most important element, with judges looking for correct mechanics, technique, form and grace. Finally, the player must show control of the footbag at the completion of the trick. Doubles CUMULATIVE Two players complete 5 moves in sync, and are judged based on same elements of singles plus "synchronisity". Three rounds. The Doubles Cumulative events have a panel of five judges: three judge synchronization of the dives, while two award marks for execution (one judge concentrating on the performance of each diver). The synchronization judges ignore technical execution, looking solely for synchronization in the approach, set (including similarity of height), co-ordinated timing of movements during the trick, similarity of completion techniques and control, Other rules At least 24 hours before an event, players must provide officials with lists of all tricks they intend to try throughout the competition. A player who performs a trick other than the one announced receives no points. A trick performed in a position other than the one announced receives no more than two points from each judge. A trick performed partially in the wrong position receives no more than 4.5 points from each judge. Balance moves must be held for three seconds, or until the timing judge indicates completion. A drop is a significant deduction. "The" tricks are considered incomplete. (WE NEED TO COME UP WITH OUR OWN "FORMS" for "CONFORMITY" so our judges can have criteria for which to deduct.) Clearly, we aren't going to say "point your toes", but should we say "control your arms while your legs are moving"? or "something else"? ****************** The neat thing is that the scores are like this: Player selects a move that is a 3.4 difficulty. They perform it and the judges give them (taking their scores based on a 10 scale, less deductions for criteria, then take the high and low scores and discard and take the sum of the remaining scores) a score and multiply it by the degree of difficulty. So that player got a 9 from every judge, throw away the high and low and take the sum which is 27 and multiply by the degree of difficulty, 3.4 and the player gets a score of (27 x 3.4). After three rounds you cut the field in half, then another three rounds and in half again and then finals. We could have cumulative points up until finals, then start over, or we could just do cumumlative points through to the end. It would take some work, but would be in line with a very popular system like diving. You would have instant scores, running tabs and a leader board. Some level of organization needed, but will be fun for spectators because it will move quickly and they get to look up at the judges while they flash their scores on cards. Sorry and thanks to the olympics web site and the diving people for use of their system. Sorry to drivel on, See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener@footbag.org _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 5 14:49:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24038 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:49:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14683 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:02:21 -0700 Received: from nilenet.com (slip154.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.177]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/09072000-01) with ESMTP id LAA28233 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:02:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <39DB6267.ECE96986@nilenet.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:01:27 -0600 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Single Trick Cumulative Scoring Event and other thoughts References: <29941030.970640089733.JavaMail.imail@sammy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Scott Davidson wrote: > At least 24 hours before an event, players must provide officials with lists > of all tricks they > intend to try throughout the competition. (...and a urine sample...) But honestly, this does sound like you might be on to something. 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From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 5 14:58:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24080 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:58:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web221.mail.yahoo.com (web221.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.121]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11161 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:15:53 -0700 Message-ID: <20001005031553.40405.qmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.26.25.232] by web221.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:15:53 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:15:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zerbe Subject: [freestyle] Get your picture on a footbag package To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: Steve@infinitytoys.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey There Stylers, I just talked to my old 'boss' Steve Poreda at Infinity Toys and they are putting out a new line of footbags. They are sand bags, an eight and a fourteen panel. Anyways, the reason I'm writing in, is because Steve needs photos of freestylers bustin' phat to put on the package. I've seen the package they have now and the only serious freestyler they have on there is Jane Jones. SO.... If you are interested in being on the package, send me photos of yo'selves bustin' phat and who knows, maybe you'll see yourself on footbag packages all over the country. Now, I wish there was some serious sponsorship involved with this. Unfortunately all you're gonna get (if you get picked) is some free product from Infinity. Better that than nothing. If you have any questions email me or check out the Infinity web site. http://www.infinitytoys.com Send your photos to me at... Alex Zerbe 2620 SW Dakota St. #1 Seattle, WA 98126 Thanks, Alex Zerbe From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 5 15:08:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24098 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:08:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13652 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:09:40 -0700 Received: from pacbell.net ([64.160.24.140]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G1Z0015Y6LWLZ@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:12:51 -0700 From: Chris Pinkus Subject: [freestyle] Need help to identify this move To: freestyle footbag Reply-to: blitzkrieger@footbag.org Message-id: <39DCEED2.50BD86B5@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, I've been practicing a move that involves 1) setting from the toe a little higher than the waist, 2) jumping off the posting leg while 3) circling the footbag with the setting leg from OUT/IN in a cross-body position, then 4) landing it in a clipper with the setting leg. So all the dex and stall are done with the setting leg while the other leg is used only for jumping. What is this called? The cross-body is confusing me because its done before the dex is finished. My guesses are these: SET (or TOE) > SAME OUT [XBD] [DEX] > SAME CLIP [XBD] [DEL] or SET (or TOE) > SAME OUT [DEX] > SAME CLIP [XBD] [DEL] Thanks, Chris Pinkus From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 5 15:09:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24110 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:09:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Brian Parsons Received: from imo-r14.mail.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11505 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:23:49 -0700 Received: from TrollJr22@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id z.40.1ab82dc (4004) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40.1ab82dc.270d4e18@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:23:04 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spanto and Big Applesauce To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >go to www.footbag.org and in the freestyle section search for the symposium >pixie, it's there. then add a legover (op out [dex]) while still in mid air >ending in a same toe delay. correct me if i'm wrong, but i think this is >right. >peace >glenn gentzke I am wondering if a pixie symposium legover is possible? I never thought that you could end a symposium move with the same foot you did the dex. with. This isn't making sense to me. Could somebody correct me if I'm wrong or let me know what's up. Thank you, Brian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 5 15:09:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24121 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:09:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-r16.mail.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA27630 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 05:32:16 -0700 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id z.32.af8caab (3969) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <32.af8caab.270dcea8@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:31:36 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spanto and Big Applesauce To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Big Applesauce is sort of the combination of two tricks that have been hit. One is the Big Apple which is simply symposium mobius and was discovered in Central Park NYC in 1992 hence the name. The other is spinning symposium blur where the symposium is on the second dex. If you catch this trick on an osis instead of toe you have the Sauce. BTW, I hit spinning symposium blur last Saturday as well as gyro symposium blur. Still no Sauce though. Kenny From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 11:22:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29496 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:22:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e96ACl604666 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 03:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <020401c02f7e$41c099e0$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: <003001c02d61$91ebc800$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> Subject: [freestyle] Long live fairy Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 03:14:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What the hell is wrong with the name fairy? When was it supposedly changed to neo and who the hell changed it? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 11:21:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29491 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:21:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e96AA2601615 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 03:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <020001c02f7d$df585720$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: <003001c02d61$91ebc800$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> Subject: [freestyle] Symposium Butterfly...the overrated four add Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 03:12:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Rippin wrote: > One more thing, symposium infiniti ( not butterfly), .... Why not regular symposium butterfly? Is it not a valid move? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 11:23:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29513 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:23:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f88.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.88]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15220 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:33:26 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:32:52 -0700 Received: from 128.206.120.240 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 13:32:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spanto and Big Applesauce Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:32:52 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <32.af8caab.270dcea8@aol.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2000 13:32:52.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED531240:01C02F99] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A two-fold post: Kenny Shults wrote: >One is the Big Apple which is simply symposium mobius and was... Hehe... SIMPLY... Rrriiiggghhhttt.... Kenny is crazy. >...discovered in Central Park NYC in 1992 hence the name. Thank you Kenny for the historical perspective on the sport. I, personally, thoroughly enjoy reading posts on where moves originated as well as small bios on the old skoolers who brought our sport to where it is at. Thank you again. Later Ian PS Who hit Big Apple first? I would have to guess Kenny or Peter. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 11:23:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29524 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:23:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from down.shopA-Z.com (IDENT:root@[209.75.43.202]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14012 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:21:35 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f236.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.236]) by down.shopA-Z.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13630 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:20:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:20:23 -0700 Received: from 211.117.39.56 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 07:20:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.117.39.56] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Name and move ideas and fun Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 07:20:23 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2000 07:20:23.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EDF3840:01C0302F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I had an idea for some reverse whirl variants (butterfly variants for Ryan's sake). Symposium barfly is called supperfly so: far symposium reverse whirl= pretty fly Symposium double over down is called Shaft so: symposium reverse whirl = wannabe Other than that I've been working on toe set mirajing blender (without much seccess) which made me think of: blurry blurry blender. Just thought I'd share my pipe dream. As a final though, as I was falling asleep a few nights ago I started thinking about freestyle dance, just hitting tricks and combos to music in my head, ignoring what I can actually do or not (like 8+ consecutive paradox torques to the beat). This made me think, we talk about fat all the time, but what is the most fun string you (pl) ever had? Was it just kicking around grooving to the music was it on stage, was it hitting some insanely huge combo? The first thing that poped ito my head was hitting blury whirl>flapper>whirl>paradox drifter>blender so I guess I'm one that gets off on difficulty. Any thoughts? -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 12:22:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29616 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:22:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acarter1 (d185.willets01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.241.185]) by juniper.its.swarthmore.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 6470617E86; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101c03175$b0ce0400$b9f13a82@swarthmore.edu> From: "Tony Carter-Piff" To: "Ryan Mulroney" , References: <003001c02d61$91ebc800$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> <020401c02f7e$41c099e0$0200a8c0@pseudo> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Long live fairy Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:18:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ryan said: > What the hell is wrong with the name fairy? When was it supposedly changed > to neo and who the hell changed it? amen. I would go so far as to say, fairy is a good, even "cool," name. -tony ps. i also like pixie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:38:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30430 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:38:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail15.bigmailbox.com (mail15.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.46]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24644 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:13:29 -0700 Received: by mail15.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA27745; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:16:59 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:16:59 -0700 Message-Id: <200010082016.NAA27745@mail15.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [24.3.89.252] From: "David Sanchez" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Kenny Shults Sickness Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, I had the distinct pleasure of playing with Kenny Shults and Rob Riefer this weekend. Let me tell you Kenny was hitting some serious moves, two that I don't believe anyone else has ever done before. He hit his first double spinning gyro butterfly(almost positive that's what it was, correct me if i'm wrong Kenny) and then he was fooling around juggling two bags and hit a symposium blur while still keeping the two bags in constant juggle motion,,, believe me he did it twice and actually considered it "dialable". I believe him, when he wasn't hitting it he was coming quite close. I had to post this because I didn't think it was possible before I saw it myself. Have a good day all, David Sanchez philly footworks ______________________________________________________________ "when information is in the hands of just a few you are at their mercy,,,,, you play by their rules" ...oOoOoOoOoOoooOooOoOoOoooOoOoooOoOooooOooooOOOoooOOOOooooooOorb______________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:38:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30445 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:38:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4601.mail.yahoo.com (web4601.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.156]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24783 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:18:15 -0700 Message-ID: <20001008201735.28383.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.97.2.247] by web4601.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 13:17:35 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john kingi Subject: [freestyle] Adds and Jobs. To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shredders. First off a note of thanks to the great Kenny Shults for the history lesson you gave a while back on the "Add system". I enjoy learning about the history of the sport and since I've only been on the list and visiting the site for about 6-7 months, I didn't know anything till very recently. Incidently can anyone tell me what happened to John Stalberger? I've read a little about him and Mike Marshall and was a little curious as to what happened to John after the 80s. Anyway Bla bla bla (sorry to bore you all). What I was writting in for was to find out when the Add system was (I guess) implemented? Also when did Ben Job come up with his notation and when did it catch on? I have read the Jobs notation paper at Footbag.org as well as Kenny's email on the history of the Add system and they don't realy say when it all happened. Maybe some/one of the more Knowledgeable players could write up a history on the sport and put it on Footbag.org so that some of us newbies have a place to learn the history behind the sport we've all fallen so 'in love' with. (Only a suggestion, please don't come back at me with a whole lot of "Steve works real hard to make the site what it is" stuff cause I already know, and appreciate this, its just a suggestion). Anyway. Later all and cheers for listening. Johnny. P.s. That () stuff sounded alittle harsh i know but as James Risden (sorry about the spelling James) found out a while back, you never can be too careful about the stuff you write. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:39:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30456 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:39:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [10.0.5.71] (p1351.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.5.71]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23560 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:00:31 +1100 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mattsb@pop.ozemail.com.au Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:09:40 +1100 To: freestyle@list.footbag.org From: Matt Baker Subject: [freestyle] Good Footbag Unis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I'm currently living in australia, and thinking of applying to some US universities (as an undergraduate) next year. I will sit my SATs and see how I go, however I don't really know anything about any of the universities. I was wondering which ones have an avid group of freestylers, so I could make an informed decision. Whilst some may say this is a shallow basis of choosing a tertiary institution, I have very low odds of going to any of these places, as unless I get a super-dooper scholarship, it is well beyond my means to go to uni there (I think its about $30000 as an int'l student, that's about $60k aussie atm). I'm taking it pretty half-heartedly, and I have to choose 4 unis to get my SAT scores sent to, so who should it be? (I'd like to study Organic Chemistry - bahh, as if that's important :) Thanks for your time, Matthew Baker PS - I note there is another Matt Baker who came 2nd in the Intermediate Division at worlds. Congratulations namesake! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:39:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30467 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:39:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c000.iad.cp.net (c000-h003.c000.iad.cp.net [209.228.6.67]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA31603 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:44:36 -0700 Received: (cpmta 23620 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 19:44:26 -0400 Date: 8 Oct 2000 19:44:26 -0400 Message-ID: <20001008234426.23619.cpmta@c000.iad.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Oct 2000 23:44:26 GMT Received: from [203.166.57.9] by mail.chickmail.com with HTTP; 08 Oct 2000 19:44:26 EDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Karin Walker X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag injuries Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi there, I'd like to know what kind of injuries you've all had by being involved in footbag ... is it common to suffer from sore knees? Thankx, K :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:40:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30480 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:40:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f306.hotmail.com [216.32.180.160]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03829 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:46:41 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:46:04 -0700 Received: from 165.154.200.28 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 01:46:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.154.200.28] Reply-To: TheMouse@footbag.org From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Long live fairy Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 21:46:04 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <020401c02f7e$41c099e0$0200a8c0@pseudo> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2000 01:46:04.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF66A5A0:01C03192] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi people, Ryan M asked: >What the hell is wrong with the name fairy? When was it supposedly >changed >to neo and who the hell changed it? I totally agree. What is the thing with changing move names? Fairy is cool. The last thing I want to do is start another debate on what's a "manly" name for a move and what's not but damn, we all grew up using the terms pixie/fairy. I think the last thing we need to do is to start changing move names. Seriously, I'm still gonna use the name fairy and I'm sure everyone else is to. Plus, changing a move name years after it was invented isn't proper. We're screwing up our history and trying to invent a new one. Well at least that's my opinion, shred on, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:40:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30491 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:40:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:53:40 -0700 Received: from 216.66.131.71 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 03:53:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.66.131.71] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: regul8tr@uclink4.berkeley.edu, freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Long live fairy Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 03:53:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <020401c02f7e$41c099e0$0200a8c0@pseudo> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2000 03:53:40.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[82D41AB0:01C031A4] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ryan Wrote, >What the hell is wrong with the name fairy? When was it supposedly changed >to neo and who the hell changed it? Rick Reese said something about him and "a couple of people" all deciding on changing it to Neo. Big fan of the Matrix Rippin? :) Fairy is awesome, and so is pixie. Both sets rule. Anyway, peace. Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:41:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30502 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:41:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c4720a ([24.178.207.137]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001009043115.OVFR20964.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@c4720a>; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:31:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c031b3$483f7840$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> From: "Richard Reese" To: "Ryan Mulroney" , References: <003001c02d61$91ebc800$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> <020001c02f7d$df585720$0200a8c0@pseudo> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symposium Butterfly...the overrated four add Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:38:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Everyone, I was talking about calling a trick by its correct name. People were calling clipper to opposite side butterfly butterfly, when it is really an infiniti,right. So, therefore, a symposium butterfly would be same side and a symposium infiniti would be going from one clipper to the other with the set foot planting right after setting the bag, hence, symposium. Now I know alot of people don't think that butterfly can be symposium, and frankly you're wrong. Now, If done improper, It doesn't look very good , sure, but they can be done. I don't care how many adds you guys give these moves, but the moves do exist........ just call them by their correct names, please. Another example is Symposium Paradox Whirl, NOT paradox symposium whirl, why, because the kicker sets the bag, plants the set foot first(symp.) then does the paradox (whirl), then catches the bag. So, people, it's not really a P.S. Whirl, is it. Is this really that hard to understand? OK, for those of you that are still with me, Fairy is still the official name of the trick, and probably will stay that way, it's just that a handfull of people at Worlds( you know who you are), were discussing the possible change to Neo because new people learning to shred would laugh at the name Fairy...... and this sport is no laughing matter,Christ, I've dedicated 16 years of my life to this sport, you all should know I just want whats best for the sport. Tinkerbell, Tugboat. Elie once said what a stupid name fairy is(check the archives, it was a great post), and I agree. Rippin' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:12 AM Subject: [freestyle] Symposium Butterfly...the overrated four add > Rippin wrote: > > One more thing, symposium infiniti ( not butterfly), .... > > Why not regular symposium butterfly? Is it not a valid move? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:41:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30513 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:41:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09371 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:43:05 -0700 Received: from c4720a ([24.178.207.137]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001009044207.PDQI20964.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@c4720a>; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:42:07 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c031b4$cc84bf60$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> From: "Richard Reese" To: "Ian Dubman" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spanto and Big Applesauce Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:46:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ian, Hows it going? Rippin' here. Kenny hit Big Apple first, of course in NYC. It was an incredible time,Dennis Jones, Lisa Mac-Jones, Sam and myself had an epic jam right smack dab in the kiddle of Times Square, awesome crowds and response, and it was at night,plenty of lights around of course. The best part about the event is that we had our own personal camera man there to follow us around the entire time, I have 7 videos tucked away with all the footage......incredible. I'll tell you more bed-time stories later. Take care and keep shreddin'. Later. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Dubman" To: Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spanto and Big Applesauce > > A two-fold post: > > Kenny Shults wrote: > > >One is the Big Apple which is simply symposium mobius and was... > > Hehe... SIMPLY... Rrriiiggghhhttt.... Kenny is crazy. > > > >...discovered in Central Park NYC in 1992 hence the name. > > Thank you Kenny for the historical perspective on the sport. I, personally, > thoroughly enjoy reading posts on where moves originated as well as small > bios on the old skoolers who brought our sport to where it is at. Thank you > again. > Later > Ian > > PS Who hit Big Apple first? I would have to guess Kenny or Peter. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 11:33:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00750 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:33:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02767 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:07:56 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.201.132]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G26008AO7CVIA@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 09:05:58 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] Practice regimin? To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <000b01c0320a$d05d2180$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What is the best practice regimen? I'm sure you can play too much for your legs' health right? Maybe every other day for an hour? I know that some people say just take it easy otherwise it will become a chore. No way! I'm dedicated to drilling when I'm not sessioning. But I know that if I drill everyday after 3 or four days it gets a bit harder. A big bit.... anyway, I'm aware that everyone is different but what works for you guys? -Sam OOPS! Footbag Club Hermoa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 11:33:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00755 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:33:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f21.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17749 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:46:12 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:45:35 -0700 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:45:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] ducking paradox dada? Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:45:35 NZDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2000 19:45:35.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E297CF0:01C03229] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, Yesterday i managed to hit a paradox dada curve, preceeded by a duck. ie. clip> duck(bod) > same in(pdx)(dex) > (no plant while) op out (dex) >op clip(xbd)(del). The question i'm asking is, does the move get the paradox when it is, in my subjective opinion appreciably easier than a ducking dada? Nonetheless i was stoked, did a bit of a dance afterwards, you know how it is. cheers ears, Jono Heyes. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 11:34:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00776 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:34:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4604.mail.yahoo.com (web4604.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.159]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04836 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:55:04 -0700 Message-ID: <20001009211858.23500.qmail@web4604.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <020401c02f7e$41c099e0$0200a8c0@pseudo> Received: from [202.2.11.34] by web4604.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:18:58 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:18:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john kingi Subject: Re: [freestyle] Long live fairy To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. Ryan M asked: >What the hell is wrong with the name fairy? When >was it supposedly changed to neo and who the hell >changed it? Just thought I'd throw my 2 Cents worth in on this topic. I fully agree with Ryan, and by the looks of things quite a few others on the subject. When I first heard the names "Fairy" or "Pixie" at the begining of my introduction to this sport, I didn't think... well stink one, I'm out of this sport. And how unmanly is the name "Fear"? Sounds more manly than "Neorage" or whatever would replace "Fear". The name I've got the biggest reaction from is "Smear". Try telling your female friends that you're going for a Smear and see what happens. Later. Johnny P.s. I know I'm way behind the times on this but I saw "Raw Shredd" for the first time about a week ago and Kenny hitting Whirling Twirl... Savage. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 11:35:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00787 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:35:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from novagate.net (002gra107.chartermi.net [24.247.2.107]) by mailgate.novagate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA13713 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E29931.4FDA7B58@novagate.net> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:21:06 -0400 From: ryan masuga Reply-To: masuga@novagate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Jumprope on ESPN. That's right. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hiya stylers - Anyone see jumprope championships on ESPN this last weekend? They had consecutives and doubles routines - that was all I saw as I was watching football on other channels. I just thought that if JUMPROPE can get on ESPN, then I KNOW footbag can. As impressive as some of those folks' jumping skills were, I know that some heavy-hitting freestyle could be just as, if not WAY more, entertaining! I think the range of tricks we have (i.e. overall difficulty) is above and beyond what they were doing - not to knock jumprope (ahem) but, FREESTYLE ROCKS! Hope everyone in the northern clime is finding indoor spots to kick! ryan masuga MaHUGEa 3cFD From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 11:35:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00799 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:35:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailgate.novagate.net (IDENT:root@mailgate.novagate.net [205.138.138.22]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09927 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:16:57 -0700 Received: from novagate.net (002gra107.chartermi.net [24.247.2.107]) by mailgate.novagate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA14291; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E29A13.77C48228@novagate.net> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:24:52 -0400 From: ryan masuga Reply-To: masuga@novagate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karin Walker CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag injuries References: <20001008234426.23619.cpmta@c000.iad.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I used to have mega-sore knees after kicking sessions on weekends when I was kicking with the New York crew. (S'up fellas!) Personally I have found that taking creatine before a session, and some ibuprofen afterwards (only if it was a particularly long session) has worked for me and my knees. Better form helps, too! I've been styling more than ever and haven't had a problem this entire year. ryan masuga MaHUGEa! 3cFD Karin Walker wrote: > Hi there, > > I'd like to know what kind of injuries you've all had by being involved in footbag ... is it common to suffer from sore knees? > > Thankx, > K :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 11:36:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00811 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:36:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailgate.novagate.net (IDENT:root@mailgate.novagate.net [205.138.138.22]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10052 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:25:32 -0700 Received: from novagate.net (002gra107.chartermi.net [24.247.2.107]) by mailgate.novagate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA15282; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E29C17.14253F1@novagate.net> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:33:28 -0400 From: ryan masuga Reply-To: masuga@novagate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Dubman CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spanto and Big Applesauce References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Kenny S wrote: > >...discovered in Central Park NYC in 1992 hence the name. Ian D: > I, personally, > thoroughly enjoy reading posts on where moves originated... I, too, think this is very interesting stuff. Ironman's trivia style was really cool (although I signed on to the list as it was ending). I really wish there was a definitive spot on the web for all of the footbag trivia. Or is there? Makes for good readin'! ryan masuga MaHUGEa! 3cFD From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 14:32:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01121 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:32:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from egateout.merant.com (rock-gate.merant.com [63.79.165.2]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28200 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:29:22 -0700 Received: from beavmail.merant.com (beavmail.merant.com [10.31.11.235]) by egateout.merant.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07217 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:28:28 -0400 Received: by abeavmail.merant.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4KKN6W1Z>; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:22:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: Paul Vorvick To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] More on "Kenny Shults Sickness" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:22:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Howdy All: Thought I'd send this little quote from an email Shults sent me to help verify what was posted earlier by David Sanchez: >I'm getting my game back into fighting shape at last. Last weekend I hit >double spinning butterfly stall to double spinning osis. Also hit spinning >backside symposium blur and gyro backside symposium blur. This weekend I >hit double spinning gyro butterfly stall and backside symposium blur in a >juggle combo, sort of like ooo icky only a lot ickier. All of these are new >tricks for me. Having been Kenny's whipping boy for half a decade, I am relieved that he has hauled his paddle to the Eastern U.S. I lost many a lunch watching Ken's game ramp up and up... Kick On, Paul V. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 14:33:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01126 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:33:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29251 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:58:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 22011 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2000 19:58:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20001010195818.22010.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20001008201735.28383.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.209.134.133] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:58:18 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:58:18 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Adds and Jobs. To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- john kingi wrote: > James Risden found > out a while back, you never can be too careful about > the stuff you write. GRRRRRRR! I'm over it! Let it go! :) Peace, James Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 18:41:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01703 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:41:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G2801901LZQRF@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:16:38 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Long live fairy In-reply-to: <020401c02f7e$41c099e0$0200a8c0@pseudo> To: Ryan Mulroney Cc: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Ryan Mulroney wrote: > What the hell is wrong with the name fairy? When was it supposedly changed > to neo and who the hell changed it? I agree. Personally I think "Neo" sounds like more of