From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 1 00:36:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14624 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 00:36:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01255 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:37:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 26254 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2000 04:37:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20001001043748.26253.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.57] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:37:48 PDT Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:37:48 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] symposium tomohawk ;) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone, I'm really happy, I just had a killer session. Hit my 5th six-adder not including weakside blurry torque. Symposium tomohawk! See the small, 3 second, 700KB mpg video slightly slo mo'd...... http://members.xoom.com/shreddined/phattrick/tjamez14.mpg Bye, James Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 1 12:12:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15654 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:12:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05489 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 00:39:06 -0700 Received: from c4720a ([24.178.207.137]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001001073905.ZLMW20964.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@c4720a>; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 00:39:05 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c02b84$2948fae0$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> In-Reply-To: <20000927055126.20035.qmail@web1003.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Richard Reese" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dancing Queen (was Adds-the history) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 01:46:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Rippin here, Who is Sandra O'conner anyway. Ahren is good at sarcasm ....... and Footbag. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 1 12:13:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15665 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:13:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f273.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.148]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21102 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:42:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 10:42:11 -0700 Received: from 152.163.207.62 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:42:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.207.62] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: cloudriz@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium tomohawk ;) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 10:42:11 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20001001043748.26253.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2000 17:42:11.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED5DAAD0:01C02BCE] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Risden wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I'm really happy, I just had a killer session. >Hit my 5th six-adder not including weakside blurry >torque. Symposium tomohawk! See the small, 3 second, >700KB mpg video slightly slo mo'd...... > >http://members.xoom.com/shreddined/phattrick/tjamez14.mpg > >Bye, >James Risden Ehh....'tis anothing without tha loop! ~Bryan Fournier OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach, CA. ::long live The Simpsons:: From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 1 12:13:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15677 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:13:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22627 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:24:48 -0700 Received: from [198.202.67.188] (198.202.67.188) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 1 Oct 2000 11:27:06 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 11:21:47 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: [freestyle] Score shred with Perl Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Got Perl? Want to Play with Footbag Freestyle related perl modules ? I put my code into a file for download at http://www.msu.edu/~kenned57 Cameron -- I'll just leave you with this: in our society, actual work is done by a large amount of people; products are produced by a large amount of people, etc. Yet the small few at the top who do not actually produce any products; who do not know how or want to actually work for a living; who attempt to administrate despite their complete lack of knowledge about what is actually produced; those people retain the largest cut of the money and hand out the rest to everyone else who did something. Is there something wrong with this societal model?? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 1 13:10:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16033 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:10:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16030 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:10:32 -0700 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26387 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:10:12 -0700 Received: from [24.16.29.242] by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20001001201007.LEEG27764.fep1.excitehome.net@[24.16.29.242]> for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:10:07 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@140.174.206.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39D12B16.24549.695031@localhost> References: <39CFC501.24629.32C29F4@localhost> <39D12B16.24549.695031@localhost> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:10:08 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dancing Queen (was Adds - The History) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:02 PM -0600 9/26/00, Sandra O'Connor wrote: >Additionally, when we first put .com up we recevied about 15 very >nasty (and I mean nasty) emails, and continual badgering from >Goldberg. Hmm. Nasty? Judge for yourself. The entire e-mail dialog between me, Sandra, and Steve Blough is now posted at: http://www.footbag.org/footbag.com.dialog.txt >In regard to WHY .org is not listed in our site I can tell you it is a >decison taken in response to WHY .org does not relate to footbag >dance and other forms of freestyle, to the fact that the discussion >list for freestyle has been presented as "advanced freestyle" and as >"very technical" as though to say juggling is the only freestyle that >counts. We do not believe this to be true so we do not support this >concept by promoting .org in any way. If .org would really open up >and allow all freestyle to be discussed, pleasantly, to recognize all >freestyle, then we might change our mind about a link. Hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah hah! :-) >Additonaly, the personal emails I have had from >Steve Goldberg are ugly, liblous, demeaning, and thoroughly >disgusting. All because I dare to say my opinion. Umm, if you read through the above webpage you'll see that all I've ever done was to try to correct Sandra's (and Steve's) misconceptions. Except for one deleted comment (which is not *that* bad, but we've both agreed should be deleted from public view), all my mail has been reasonable. But again, judge for yourself. The e-mail really does speak for itself. I make no apologies for anything I have written to Sandra or Steve. I think you'll be amazed when you read the thread. :-) But you have to read it all, at least from 1996 through the end of 1997. Enjoy. :-) Steve P.S. I think there may be messages missing but I have not been able to locate them. I hope if Sandra has saved her e-mail she will send me the missing messages. This webpage is meant to give full disclosure so the world can judge for itself. I am happy to insert any other e-mail that surfaces into the page. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 1 23:08:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16872 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:08:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c1mailgw04.prontomail.com ([216.163.184.10]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05954 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:49:12 -0700 Received: from c1web103 (216.163.184.10) by c1mailgw04.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.1.050) id 39D79E85000085AA for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 18:48:00 -0700 X-Version: homestead 6.0 .2425.0 From: "Frank Montanaro" Message-Id: <0007FA085F794D115A650005B82A159F@megaed.homestead.com> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 20:40:41 -0500 X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag Video Game X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey , guess what I'm actually working on a game called FOOTBAG FEVER. It won't have the best graphics but it will have Freestyle, Net and maybe golf and circle. Check my site in a couple of weeks for the release http://go.to/born2hack . Chill, Frank Check out Born2Hack's site http://go.to/born2hack |-|/-\[|<`|' $/-\[|< From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 07:24:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17402 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:24:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA25863 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:51:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 9735 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2000 13:51:01 -0000 Received: from blndi4-145-253-076-090.arcor-ip.net (HELO quarktasche) (145.253.76.90) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 2 Oct 2000 13:51:01 -0000 Message-ID: <009601c02c77$a815b860$5a4cfd91@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: Subject: [freestyle] Czech footbag......... Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:49:56 +0200 Organization: Schmidt Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi (people on this) list, for all those of you still believing Germany was the last country before a cultural border, go to www.hakis.f2s.com! The website is in Czech, but the most interesting aspect is easy to find: They have some videos (minor quality, major style) representing Czech Republic's shredders including the one and only Dexter, king of flyers and jumping style, and some other nice stylers (I'd even say Czechs have their own special style...:o). You will probably notice really few of them wear Lavers..... The videos are taken in Kampa Park (except of Dexter01.mpg, being taken from his routine at the German Masters...), the local shredder's meeting point. If you will come to Prague for the next European Masters, you got to hang around in this park - I really enjoyed it! Keep shreddin', Matthias.......... _____________________________________ "Der reißende Fluss wird gewalttätig genannt, aber das Ufer, das ihn einengt, nennt keiner gewalttätig." _____________________________________ www.footbagfreestyle.de/videos/shreds/em2000/matth01n.mpg www.footbagfreestyle.de/videos/shreds/gffb2000/matze2.mpg www.parlament-berlin.de/wgr From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 22:34:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18509 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:34:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16829 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:50:50 -0700 Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu (bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by mailjay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02569 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:50:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:50:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Sean Wingert To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dancing Queen (was Adds - The History) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve Goldberg wrote: >I think you'll be amazed when you read the thread. :-) But you have >to read it all, at least from 1996 through the end of 1997. Enjoy. :-) Normally, I don't read long posts, but I just had to read http://www.footbag.org/footbag.com.dialog.txt. And, if you're at all interested, you will NOT be *bored* by that exchange. In fact, after reading thos e-mails, I'm a little bit concerned (and definately confused) about what exactly Steve Blough and Sandra O'Conner DO with footbag, and specifically, what their "philosophy" means. Statements like (1) "The fact that you are putting on the Stanford Tournament is proof that you support what the rules committee is doing and, therefore, have an agenda pertaining to tournaments and their rules which shows through, loud and clearly, in footbag.org" or (2) "I would like to stop the rhetoric and your accusatory manner in dealing with any problems we have, and instead address the very real issues in the footbag community which have their genesis in the rules committee," (3) "If I hear another accuation of defamation of character or slander you will be sued," or (4) "You censor everthing we send to your discussion group. You're afraid of us for some unknown reason or just following suit of which has been going on for 20+ years"--suggest a kind of paranoia against some conspiracy headed by the WFA/Rules Comittee/Advisory Board and all masterminded by Steve Goldberg. I have nothing against "alternative" approaches to footbag (and specifically "freestyle"--whatever that is supposed to mean to them), but I am a little worried about footbag *promoters* who demonstrtate (privately or not) signs of unjustified paranoia--I say "unjustified" because Blough and O'Connor often respond to Steve with comments that seem to come totally from left-field (and they're usually not nice). Sean From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 22:35:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18520 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:35:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f85.hotmail.com [216.32.181.85]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21003 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:18:50 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:18:47 -0700 Received: from 142.177.194.136 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 01:18:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.194.136] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dancing Queen (was Adds - The History) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 01:18:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 01:18:47.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[E115FFC0:01C02CD7] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steve Goldberg (brat@footbag.org) wrote: >Hmm. Nasty? Judge for yourself. The entire e-mail dialog between me, >Sandra, and Steve Blough is now posted at: > >http://www.footbag.org/footbag.com.dialog.txt Well, that e-mail dialog was interesting, to say the least. Don't know how many other people read that, but I would like to hear some takes on it. Personally, I am behind Steve (Brat, not Danceman) 100 percent. I read every single one of those e-mails, and everytime Steve seemed to be asking something reasonble, they disagreed, seemingly just to be difficult, and made life tough for Steve. I don't know what it is, but Sandra definitely is someone who is hard to understand. I don't think she understands the concept of a link, and how a link to her site, is a GOOD thing. Cole Hobson Broken Ankle. http://footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 22:35:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18531 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:35:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22997 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:13:08 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:11:53 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:08:01 -0700 Message-ID: <01C02CA4.15D4CC20.ewulff@jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Score shred with Perl Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:08:00 -0700 Organization: JSI SHIPPING X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Cameron Kennedy signed off with.... >Yet the small few at the top who do not actually >produce any products; who do not know how or want to actually work for a >living; who attempt to administrate despite their complete lack of >knowledge about what is actually produced; those people retain the largest >cut of the money and hand out the rest to everyone else who did something. >Is there something wrong with this societal model?? Is this a quote from Sandra O'Conner? :):) Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 22:36:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18542 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:36:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f190.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.190]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24448 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:52:24 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:51:49 -0700 Received: from 24.67.226.58 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:51:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.67.226.58] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pixie Cross Body Rake and Fairy Cross body rake Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:51:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 02:51:49.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[E08BFC50:01C02CE4] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey ya'll.... I hit these moves today and I was just wondering whey they werent on the freestyle list cause they look sweet. Also I have givin my opinion on the names these should have. Pixie Cross Body Rake JOBS: Toe>Same In>Same X-Body Rake. This should be called PIKE Fairy Cross Body Rake JOBS: Toe>Same Out>Same X-Body Rake. This should be called FAKE Anyway, I just want peoples opinions on these moves, I thought they had a cool style look to them. Some people at the college watching liked em to. PIXIE AND FAIRY MOVES RULE! RAKE RULES! Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 22:36:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18553 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:36:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27334 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:18:43 -0700 Received: from pacbell.net ([64.160.27.60]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G1U00DST6IV05@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:15:53 -0700 From: Chris Pinkus Subject: [freestyle] SF Bay Area Fall Festival To: freestyle footbag Reply-to: blitzkrieger@footbag.org Message-id: <39D95D79.CA3A429F@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all Southern California (and SF) footbaggers! I have a bit of problem right now. I have NO way of getting to the SF Bay Area Fall Festival tournament this weekend, and I never went to a tournament before. I live in Los Angeles. I don't drive yet, and none of my friends will take me. My mom (yes, I'm 18 and still under her control) won't let me go anywhere with a stranger cause she is 'paranoid'. Ok, I was thinking about hitching a ride with someone around my area, but my mom won't trust anyone. I can get money for a hotel or whatever, maybe split the price with someone if possible. Anyone have any suggestions? or should I just wait til next time and make my mom happy? Chris Pinkus From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 23:09:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18757 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:09:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f282.hotmail.com [216.32.180.136]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30981 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:53:57 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:53:27 -0700 Received: from 129.93.213.17 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 05:53:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.213.17] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] atomic spin set Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 00:53:26 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 05:53:27.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FE39A50:01C02CFE] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've been out of the loop a little lately, I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for the atomic set followed by a spin. It's probably got a name, I just don't know it. For example atomic set from a right toe, spin to the right and pretty much gyro mirage it after that. Who has been working this set? Brian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 23:10:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18771 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:10:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f54.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.54]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31238 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:03:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:03:24 -0700 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 06:03:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: jlopes69@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Cross Body Rake and Fairy Cross body rake Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:03:23 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 06:03:24.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3A472C0:01C02CFF] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi stylers. Jeff Lopes wrote: >Pixie Cross Body Rake >This should be called PIKE It's called swerve. >Fairy Cross Body Rake >This should be called FAKE It's called freak. But really, what's in a name? Ken From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 2 23:11:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18782 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:11:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31339 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:08:16 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust12.tnt54.chi5.da.uu.net [63.11.94.12]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21746; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 23:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39D977D1.AF5475C0@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 01:08:17 -0500 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cole Hobson , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dancing Queen (was Adds - The History) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well, I generally agree, this is how I look at it. In short, Sandra O'Connor and Steve Blough have very strong views about society and read way too deeply into a game (sport, activity, pastime, or whatever you like to call it, Footbag) and while they're saying that they're non confrontational and non competitive, they seem to be very much in competition with "jugglers" as they call them, as much as they say they're inclusive they elude to the fact that they think their way is "THE RIGHT WAY" and that disturbs me, not just because it's hypocritical, but (like them) I don't like other people trying to control me and the things I do. In conclusion, I have nothing against footbag.com in general, and maybe I'm just being paranoid like them and they don't think like that, but that's how I see it. Tim Werner, Mononucleosis. Chicago Inner Circle. Cole Hobson wrote: > >http://www.footbag.org/footbag.com.dialog.txt > > Well, that e-mail dialog was interesting, to say the least. Don't know how > many other people read that, but I would like to hear some takes on it. > Personally, I am behind Steve (Brat, not Danceman) 100 percent. I read > every single one of those e-mails, and everytime Steve seemed to be asking > something reasonble, they disagreed, seemingly just to be difficult, and > made life tough for Steve. I don't know what it is, but Sandra definitely > is someone who is hard to understand. I don't think she understands the > concept of a link, and how a link to her site, is a GOOD thing. > > Cole Hobson > Broken Ankle. > http://footbag.cjb.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 07:54:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19442 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 07:54:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f209.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.209]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10062 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:15:08 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:14:37 -0700 Received: from 211.117.39.55 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:14:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.117.39.55] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: webmaster@footbag.com Subject: The Art of Footbag (was: Re: [freestyle] Dancing Queen...) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:14:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 12:14:37.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FC2AAA0:01C02D33] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Gang, I read the entire dialog, it was interesting, if wearisome reading. I thank Steve G. for putting it up for the public (even if I know his motivation), because it provides us with a foundation of fact to judge Footbag.com's frequent, public and insulting accusations. (skip to the last paragraph if you're tired of this thred) I have to say this whole thing is REALLY SILLY. We all play and love footbag. I should think those who play themselves, even if they restrict their style to dexterity-less, stall-less dance, to triples-ness, or even to kicking naked in the dark, should be happy to see anyone playing, in any manor and having fun. I don't see how footbag.com can only provide information about a very limited style of freestyle dance and call it "the true art of freestyle." I don't see how they can insult other styles of freestyle (contorted, and unhealthy anyone?) while saying they embrace all styles of freestyle, not "just juggling", which by the way includes many aspects of dance, but is not limited to it. If you want to limit yourself to, and only teach about one style of footbag, that's fine, I limit myself to certain moves (I keep a list, how anal is that?), but you're doing a disservice to the community if you don't point the way to other styles for those who don't share the love of your niche. I even have a link to footbag.com on my website, but after seeing how totally foundationless their rather public accusations about him (on their site) are, I'll take it down as soon as I can. They are preaching hate and I don't support it. I also don't see how they can accuse Steve G. of trying to control the sport to his own agenda. Sometimes I agree with him, often I've disagreed or argued with him. He can even come off as a control freak at times (sorry Brat), BUT he has always been totally fair, and he has earned my respect. He donates long hours of his nonexistent time, listens to our question, and requests and puts up with a lot of our crap, all for the love of the game, and the respect of fellow players (or a secret plot for world domination, who knows (sorry had to stick that in;) ). If his site is biased, it's because someone hasn't provided the information. Footbag.org isn't his private preaching box, there is information from a lot of people there. He, like most of us that love this small sport, is doing his best to support footbag's growth. Footbag.org is created by players, or atleast by our wishes. If you insult it, you're insulting a LOT of us. This divisionism is doing absolutely NO ONE any good, and it needs to stop. What is the art of footbag? Keeping a bag in the air without your arms. See that period at the end of that sentence? Whatever else you do within that context is fine by me. BUT when you introduce someone to the sport, PLEASE point the way to other styles of play incase they don't care for yours (you'll notice footbag.org does this). This sport is still very small, we can't aford any "mine is better," actually, we can't aford to lose anyone. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:21:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20617 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:21:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19491; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:36:33 -0700 Received: from c4720a ([24.178.207.137]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001003163631.WROJ20964.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@c4720a>; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:36:31 -0700 Message-ID: <003001c02d61$91ebc800$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> From: "Richard Reese" To: , , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Cross Body Rake and Fairy Cross body rake Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:44:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, Rippin, here. Swerve is not a Pixie cross-body rake. Swerve is a cross body rake set from a clipper, basically a drifter bail to a rake. Not to create any controversy, but at worlds many of us decided to call fairy set Neo instead, for instance, Neo double leg over..etc. So neo cross body rake is pretty cool. A Pixie cross body rake, if not done right, is just a smeer, so a person has to emphasize the set to make it a rake instead. One more thing, symposium infiniti ( not butterfly), infiniti, IS just one step from a superfly Ryan, thanks Kenny Shults for clarifying that, maybe I'll just hit superfly all the time, back and forth, because It's just one step further than barfly, not that much harder, right! Infiniti to symposium infiniti, this just in, It's harder, see how many of each of these you can do consecutively, I rest my case. Rippin' out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "KeN Somolinos" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Cross Body Rake and Fairy Cross body rake > > > Hi stylers. > > Jeff Lopes wrote: > > >Pixie Cross Body Rake > >This should be called PIKE > > It's called swerve. > > >Fairy Cross Body Rake > >This should be called FAKE > > > It's called freak. > > But really, what's in a name? > Ken From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:21:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20627 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:21:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web9008.mail.yahoo.com (web9008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.170]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24340 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:35:22 -0700 Message-ID: <20001003183451.2329.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.17.48.39] by web9008.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:34:51 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Wilson Subject: [freestyle] New Bags To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List, I've just started selling my bags and I want to get them out into the footbag world for some beta testing. I've got "quality" 32 panel facile bags for very cheap. If you are interested, or want more info, e-mail me at mwil3@yahoo.com. Thanks, Mike ===== Ft. Worth Hackaholics Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:26:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20661 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:26:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04203 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:49:07 -0700 Received: from spike.excite.com ([199.172.152.97]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001003224837.HIKQ12294.bucky.excite.com@spike.excite.com> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:48:37 -0700 Message-ID: <32601052.970613317188.JavaMail.imail@spike.excite.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:48:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Allan Reply-To: To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dancing Queen (was Adds - The History) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.232.151.20 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello:) I had originally intended to leave this response off the list cause I really thought that the whole thing was turning into a discussuion about promotion and not Freestyle Footbag.... but given the other posts about this, I figured some of you might be interested. It's Sandra's reply to my raher scathing post: > On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:22:50 -0600, webmaster@footbag.com wrote: > > > We changed the paper because we no longer wanted to make > > political comments in the site. Practically the whole thing is still very much a political statement. > > We have taken out most of any > > reference to juggling but you can still find Steve Blough's > > philosophy in there. Its his philosophy that I kinda have a problem with. I *really* don't want to offend you or Mr. Blough. My opinion of his philosophy is just that,an opinion. > > After all, the site belongs to he and his wife, > > my daughter, Well, actually, I would disagree with this statement on an idealistic level. The basis of creating the WWW was originally to facilitate the *sharing* of information. The "web" doesn't work without "hyperlinks" linking documents to each other so that people can actually access ALL the information there is available about the topic they are researching. The Internet isn't just another way for people to make money. As I stated: www.bloughchi.com would be the appropriate domain name. footbag.com is far too encompassing to be relagated to an expression of personal opinion with no alternative links given so that people can make up their own damn minds what is "wrong" with freestyle footbag. Again at *very least* there should be an obvious link for people to follow. > > and he believes what he believes. I have absolutely NO problem with what Mr. Blough believes or doesn't believe. He has freedom of speech and all those other human rights:) What I object to is the stifling effect that holding a domain name hostage for the sake of espousing a personal opinion and intentially preventing people from easily viewing alternative information has on a burgeoning sport/performance art that needs the most possible legitatmate exposure it can get. Simply by choosing NOT to post a link to www.footbag.org on your site you are not only preventing many people from finding out more about Footbag, you are disabling the very concept of what the Interent is *supposed* to be. > > You must have > > seen him on a bad day (he had cancer in 1996 from Agent Orange > > exposure in Vietnam and barely survived). His courage is admirable. His "revenge" is misdirected against those that would be his support. I regret the tone in which I apraised Mr. Blough's skills. As someone who is "fairly advanced" in freestyle foobag and considers Footbag to be the foremost passion of my life's work, I tend to be overly critical and passionate in my evaluations that are contary to what I believe. Mr.Blough has considerable talent and his control over a footbag is inpiring. > > In regard to design - I > > have had to teach myself what I know, gt no pay and do it out >>of love. An inappropriate and essentially irrelevent comment on my part. My apologies:) There are however many sites that offer free avice for design.http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/ has many good points. Image compression/optimization tutorials are easy to come by as well. Finally,take a look at the [ scrolling="no" ]and [ border=0 ] tags that could beinserted into your [ frameset ] tags to reduced the fragmented look. > > I am Heather Blough's mother. Hopefully, soon you will be > > seeing some more design stuff in there as I intend to update > >the site soon. Looking forward to it:) K.I.S.S. > > Goldberg has the advantage as he is in the websites, > > internet, and computers field and using, as well, a lot of his > > employee's resources. He does 99% of it himself. > > Which is great - never have complained > > about the professional quality of the site's design, That's because it kicks ass!! > > just what it puts forth about freestyle. What exactly does it put forth about freestyle that is so entirely contradictory from Steve's philosophy, except that there is NO political content telling people that *any* style of footbag is "wrong".... there is *nothing* "dicatorial" about www.footbag.org or the mailing list, and the fact that there are *many* links to your site from it only serve to discredit your evaluation of his philosophies to the point of making Mr.Blough and yourself sound like stubborn children that *know* their wrong, but can't admit it. > > I am no longer on the list so cannot respond > > there but feel free to quote this, in its entirety though, if > >you wish. As this transgressed into less of a discussion about freestyle footbag and more about Footbag promotion in general I will not be posting it there. Maybe I'll post it to the general listserve instead. Again, I wish to reiterate that I have no wish to offend you or Mr. Blough. This is just what I believe. --------------------------------------- I wrote this before I read the dialogue that Seve posted. Now I actually regret being so cordial:) Allan K. Haggett http://members.home.com/freestylefootbag _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:27:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20672 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:27:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05262 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:10:55 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G1V03K01N21MG@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:10:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:10:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Adds - The History In-reply-to: To: Sunil Subhash Jani Cc: "Sandra O'Connor" , freestyle@footbag.org, danceman@footbag.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Sandra O'Connor wrote: > > For more on the history of footbag as well as the benefit of eye-foot > > coordination read "Bloughchi - a Rennaisance of Modern > > Sandra O'Connor And SUNIL wrote > I was wondering why there are no links to footbag.org on this footbag.com > site... after all you are obviously using Steve's resources (in the form > of this listserve) to promote your own site. Gosh, Steve is so generous. And I write: Not to mention Freestyle footbag is bashed quite heavily on footbag.COM. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:27:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20683 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:27:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05404 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:13:45 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G1V03K01N6XQO@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:13:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:13:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Adds - The History In-reply-to: To: Derric Scalf Cc: freestyle@footbag.org, danceman@footbag.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Derric Scalf wrote: > Everyone should know the amount of work Steve G has put into footbag. Go to > a tournament and see all the new kids playing... his freebees are helping > this sport grow in ways that are hard to believe. So, to answer your > question about what .org has given out lately... Everything. RIGHT ON!!!!! Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:31:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20699 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:31:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06453 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:38:06 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G1V03J01OBHBI@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:38:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:38:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] xdex and or pdx In-reply-to: <01C027D7.F7031480.ewulff@jsishipping.com> To: Eric Wulff Cc: "'freestyle'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Speaking on blurry drifter and the xdex. On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Eric Wulff wrote: > the BAG to have done rotations around anything? Okay the legs are doing the rotating. > Second, "in theory" what > you're talking about is not considered a dex and never was. A drifter gets > it's add points from... 1- a dex, 2 - a cross body, 3 - a delay. So it's > not going to change for an x-dex. sheesh!... you're really pushin it here > buddy. Yes, but did you see that I was speaking of Blurry Drifter in which there are 2 dexes, 1 pdx, and 1 x-body? So by the time the trick is done the bag has come around the back of the first dex, under and over the second dex and back in front of the leg that did the first dex. I'm not trying to be a pain because I like this whole xdex thing, but I'm trying to clarify the rules and limitations of it. > I will debate this no further... :):) Okay, but that's my response. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:31:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20710 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:31:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07056 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:51:01 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G1V03M01OWMGC@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:50:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:50:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] atomic spin set In-reply-to: To: Brian Mckenzie Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Brian Mckenzie wrote: > I've been out of the loop a little lately, I was wondering if anyone had any > suggestions for the atomic set followed by a spin. It's probably got a name, > I just don't know it. For example atomic set from a right toe, spin to the > right and pretty much gyro mirage it after that. Who has been working this > set? I work on it a little bit and come very close to gyro mirage. I've heard it called a "swing set". Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:33:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20724 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:33:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f186.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.186]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07381 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:58:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:57:47 -0700 Received: from 63.20.91.114 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:57:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.20.91.114] From: "GLeNN Gentzke" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Spanto and Big Applesauce Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:57:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2000 23:57:47.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAB205E0:01C02D95] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, I was wondering what exactly a Big Applesauce is since it isn't on the list at footbag.org. I saw Shultz and Ryan trying to hit that at worlds and wasn't sure what goes into it. Also, I have an idea for a new trick and it has not yet been named or have i seen it done. Spanto: Outside>same in [dex]>Spin [bod]>(as part of spin) op out [dex]>clip [xbd][del] Basically it's a spinning pixie leg-over set from an outside delay and ending in a clipper. My friend Greg called it a "Spanto" for no reason whatsoever, tell me what you think. And in respone to Jeff Lopes... >Hey ya'll.... > >I hit these moves today and I was just wondering whey they werent on >the >freestyle list cause they look sweet. Also I have givin my opinion on >the >names these should have. > >Pixie Cross Body Rake > >JOBS: Toe>Same In>Same X-Body Rake. This should be called PIKE Nice job, i hit that for the first time today along with my first 4-add move: Symposium Pixie Legover Peace Glenn Gentzke From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:34:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20736 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:34:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from vcn.bc.ca (vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08702 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:21:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA04583; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:21:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Adrian Verhoef To: Brian Mckenzie cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] atomic spin set In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Brian Mckenzie wrote: > I've been out of the loop a little lately, I was wondering if anyone had any > suggestions for the atomic set followed by a spin. It's probably got a name, > I just don't know it. For example atomic set from a right toe, spin to the > right and pretty much gyro mirage it after that. Who has been working this > set? I for one. I'm not sure what it's called but I've hit atomic spinning mirage. It's like doing a rev mirage into a gyro mirage. I'm not sure of the technicalities of the use of "gyro" and "spin" here. Anyway they're lots of fun! Adrian Verhoef -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 3 20:36:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20748 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:36:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f6.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.6]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12031; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:23:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:23:12 -0700 Received: from 142.231.69.9 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:23:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.231.69.9] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: ripwalk@home.com, Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Cross Body Rake and Fairy Cross body rake Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:23:11 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003001c02d61$91ebc800$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2000 01:23:12.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[A958FD60:01C02DA1] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok Rippin, thanks for that info. I dont remember hearing "Neo" at worlds, but thats a cool name. I just think it would be a lot of work for Steve and Derrick to go through the whole web site and change Fairy to Neo. Whatever, both are cool. Also, in reply to Sean: Right rake to left rake to right rake to spinning rake etc are the moves that I find get the most reaction out of people. Also one of my favorite more simpler "crowd pleaser" type move is pendulem to same rake. Pendulem set rake I guess it would be called. Anyway, keep shreddin'. Jeff Lopes (Kelowna Footbag Club) BC SHRED RULES!! "Richard Reese" wrote: >Hi, Rippin, here. Swerve is not a Pixie cross-body rake. Swerve is a cross >body rake set from a clipper, basically a drifter bail to a rake. Not to >create any controversy, but at worlds many of us decided to call fairy set >Neo instead, for instance, Neo double leg over..etc. So neo cross body >rake >is pretty cool. A Pixie cross body rake, if not done right, is just a >smeer, >so a person has to emphasize the set to make it a rake instead. One >more thing, symposium infiniti ( not butterfly), infiniti, IS just one step >from a superfly Ryan, thanks Kenny Shults for clarifying that, maybe I'll >just hit superfly all the time, back and forth, because It's just one step >further than barfly, not that much harder, right! Infiniti to symposium >infiniti, this just in, It's harder, see how many of each of these you can >do consecutively, I rest my case. Rippin' out. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Oct 4 00:08:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21012 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:08:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23484 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:14:59 -0700 Received: from sammy ([199.172.153.124]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001004061449.JYHG12294.bucky.excite.com@sammy> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:14:49 -0700 Message-ID: <29941030.970640089733.JavaMail.imail@sammy> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:14:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Davidson To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Single Trick Cumulative Scoring Event and other thoughts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.208.141.95 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! I have been meaning to write this to the list for a while. Conformity: I was watching my nearly 2 year old son at a local festival/concert dance his little heart out. Not a worry in the world, entirely his experience, he was into the moment in a way that most adults can never experience. He has very little "knowledge" to cloud his judgement. His dancing style is truly free. Someday, he will likely be exposed to different kinds of dance that have forms and structure all their own. "Point your toes, clean lines" the teacher will say, and his freestyle is corrupted. This will happen over and over, it is part of growing up. Footbag offers a unique opportunity in life to be free, however we have our own forms and structures, both through peer pressure and self-imposed beliefs. My point is that eventually we succomb to microanalysis of movements and relationships (to music), and from that, a way of comparing one performance to another is born. When we look at Olympic sports like Diving, Rythmic Gymnastics and Trampoline, we can see how the freedoms of movement have been judged. We can also gleen some clues into how to build a scoring system that is acceptable in a competition at the level of the Olympics. I have blatantly modified text from http://www.olympics.com (choose your sport and then rules link, I captured the text and forgot to get the links so, oh well). I will focus on the diving system. One thing most of the subjectively judged sports (except diving) have in common is that they start with a possible 10 points, and when the competitor does a violation like separating legs, they have a deduction. This requires a lot of "definitions" that I think the freestylers will all bitch about (the same reason lots of players don't compete) like "what is a form violation", i.e. drops, slops, loss of control, not doing compulsory moves etc. At IFC 2000 meeting I did watch peoples heads nod (some big names) at the notion that a shred-like event might take over freestyle as the premier event. Here is my submission for your perusal (stolen nearly word for word from Diving at the Olympics)... ******** SINGLE TRICK CUMULATIVE Singles and Doubles Players have to attempt a set number of tricks that must be selected from each of the main diving groups. The Singles and Doubles competition consists of five groups (These groups are what need to be defined, see "Conformity" above... my suggestions off the top of my head are): spin-dex, front-dex, cross-dex, spin-cross and "other (for lack of a better word). Degree of difficulty The tricks involve several variables, including spins, delays, dex's, cross-body and unusual surfaces. Each trick, with its variable or combination of variables, is assigned a degree of difficulty, a preordained measure of the skill compared with other dives. For example, a Blurry Whirl score is a 5.0, while a Symposium Blurry Whirl is a 6.0 (this will require a cannonical list, but shouldn't be hard with all the work that has been done on the moves list, we just need to have a panel of people agree on a base value for a move, there WILL be controversies, but so what, it will be close, there is controversy in diving too). The degree of difficulty is a critical component of SINGLE TRICK CUMULATIVE. Originally (in diving), a panel of seven judges scores the individual dives, awarding up to 10 points in half-point increments. The highest and lowest scores are discarded, and the remaining scores are added, then multiplied by the degree of difficulty. In Diving, that number is multiplied by 0.6 to get a final score, simply because diving once used three judges instead of five and multiplying by 0.6 maintains historical perspective. Judging Scores naturally are subjective because judges must rate style as well as technique. The judges work independently, evaluating every stage of a trick. That includes the player's approach, set, execution and controlled completion of the move. Judges look for a smooth but forceful approach. The set should be forceful and confident, showing control and balance. The execution is the most important element, with judges looking for correct mechanics, technique, form and grace. Finally, the player must show control of the footbag at the completion of the trick. Doubles CUMULATIVE Two players complete 5 moves in sync, and are judged based on same elements of singles plus "synchronisity". Three rounds. The Doubles Cumulative events have a panel of five judges: three judge synchronization of the dives, while two award marks for execution (one judge concentrating on the performance of each diver). The synchronization judges ignore technical execution, looking solely for synchronization in the approach, set (including similarity of height), co-ordinated timing of movements during the trick, similarity of completion techniques and control, Other rules At least 24 hours before an event, players must provide officials with lists of all tricks they intend to try throughout the competition. A player who performs a trick other than the one announced receives no points. A trick performed in a position other than the one announced receives no more than two points from each judge. A trick performed partially in the wrong position receives no more than 4.5 points from each judge. Balance moves must be held for three seconds, or until the timing judge indicates completion. A drop is a significant deduction. "The" tricks are considered incomplete. (WE NEED TO COME UP WITH OUR OWN "FORMS" for "CONFORMITY" so our judges can have criteria for which to deduct.) Clearly, we aren't going to say "point your toes", but should we say "control your arms while your legs are moving"? or "something else"? ****************** The neat thing is that the scores are like this: Player selects a move that is a 3.4 difficulty. They perform it and the judges give them (taking their scores based on a 10 scale, less deductions for criteria, then take the high and low scores and discard and take the sum of the remaining scores) a score and multiply it by the degree of difficulty. So that player got a 9 from every judge, throw away the high and low and take the sum which is 27 and multiply by the degree of difficulty, 3.4 and the player gets a score of (27 x 3.4). After three rounds you cut the field in half, then another three rounds and in half again and then finals. We could have cumulative points up until finals, then start over, or we could just do cumumlative points through to the end. It would take some work, but would be in line with a very popular system like diving. You would have instant scores, running tabs and a leader board. Some level of organization needed, but will be fun for spectators because it will move quickly and they get to look up at the judges while they flash their scores on cards. Sorry and thanks to the olympics web site and the diving people for use of their system. Sorry to drivel on, See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener@footbag.org _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 5 14:49:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24038 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:49:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14683 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:02:21 -0700 Received: from nilenet.com (slip154.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.177]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/09072000-01) with ESMTP id LAA28233 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:02:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <39DB6267.ECE96986@nilenet.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:01:27 -0600 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Single Trick Cumulative Scoring Event and other thoughts References: <29941030.970640089733.JavaMail.imail@sammy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Scott Davidson wrote: > At least 24 hours before an event, players must provide officials with lists > of all tricks they > intend to try throughout the competition. (...and a urine sample...) But honestly, this does sound like you might be on to something. 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From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 5 14:58:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24080 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:58:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web221.mail.yahoo.com (web221.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.121]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11161 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:15:53 -0700 Message-ID: <20001005031553.40405.qmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.26.25.232] by web221.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:15:53 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:15:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zerbe Subject: [freestyle] Get your picture on a footbag package To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: Steve@infinitytoys.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey There Stylers, I just talked to my old 'boss' Steve Poreda at Infinity Toys and they are putting out a new line of footbags. They are sand bags, an eight and a fourteen panel. Anyways, the reason I'm writing in, is because Steve needs photos of freestylers bustin' phat to put on the package. I've seen the package they have now and the only serious freestyler they have on there is Jane Jones. SO.... If you are interested in being on the package, send me photos of yo'selves bustin' phat and who knows, maybe you'll see yourself on footbag packages all over the country. Now, I wish there was some serious sponsorship involved with this. Unfortunately all you're gonna get (if you get picked) is some free product from Infinity. Better that than nothing. If you have any questions email me or check out the Infinity web site. http://www.infinitytoys.com Send your photos to me at... Alex Zerbe 2620 SW Dakota St. #1 Seattle, WA 98126 Thanks, Alex Zerbe From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 5 15:08:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24098 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:08:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13652 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:09:40 -0700 Received: from pacbell.net ([64.160.24.140]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G1Z0015Y6LWLZ@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 14:12:51 -0700 From: Chris Pinkus Subject: [freestyle] Need help to identify this move To: freestyle footbag Reply-to: blitzkrieger@footbag.org Message-id: <39DCEED2.50BD86B5@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, I've been practicing a move that involves 1) setting from the toe a little higher than the waist, 2) jumping off the posting leg while 3) circling the footbag with the setting leg from OUT/IN in a cross-body position, then 4) landing it in a clipper with the setting leg. So all the dex and stall are done with the setting leg while the other leg is used only for jumping. What is this called? The cross-body is confusing me because its done before the dex is finished. My guesses are these: SET (or TOE) > SAME OUT [XBD] [DEX] > SAME CLIP [XBD] [DEL] or SET (or TOE) > SAME OUT [DEX] > SAME CLIP [XBD] [DEL] Thanks, Chris Pinkus From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 5 15:09:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24110 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:09:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Brian Parsons Received: from imo-r14.mail.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11505 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:23:49 -0700 Received: from TrollJr22@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id z.40.1ab82dc (4004) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40.1ab82dc.270d4e18@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:23:04 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spanto and Big Applesauce To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >go to www.footbag.org and in the freestyle section search for the symposium >pixie, it's there. then add a legover (op out [dex]) while still in mid air >ending in a same toe delay. correct me if i'm wrong, but i think this is >right. >peace >glenn gentzke I am wondering if a pixie symposium legover is possible? I never thought that you could end a symposium move with the same foot you did the dex. with. This isn't making sense to me. Could somebody correct me if I'm wrong or let me know what's up. Thank you, Brian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 5 15:09:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24121 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:09:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-r16.mail.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA27630 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 05:32:16 -0700 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id z.32.af8caab (3969) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <32.af8caab.270dcea8@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 08:31:36 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spanto and Big Applesauce To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Big Applesauce is sort of the combination of two tricks that have been hit. One is the Big Apple which is simply symposium mobius and was discovered in Central Park NYC in 1992 hence the name. The other is spinning symposium blur where the symposium is on the second dex. If you catch this trick on an osis instead of toe you have the Sauce. BTW, I hit spinning symposium blur last Saturday as well as gyro symposium blur. Still no Sauce though. Kenny From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 11:22:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29496 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:22:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e96ACl604666 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 03:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <020401c02f7e$41c099e0$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: <003001c02d61$91ebc800$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> Subject: [freestyle] Long live fairy Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 03:14:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What the hell is wrong with the name fairy? When was it supposedly changed to neo and who the hell changed it? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 11:21:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29491 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:21:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e96AA2601615 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 03:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <020001c02f7d$df585720$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: <003001c02d61$91ebc800$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> Subject: [freestyle] Symposium Butterfly...the overrated four add Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 03:12:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Rippin wrote: > One more thing, symposium infiniti ( not butterfly), .... Why not regular symposium butterfly? Is it not a valid move? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 11:23:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29513 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:23:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f88.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.88]) by Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15220 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:33:26 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 06:32:52 -0700 Received: from 128.206.120.240 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2000 13:32:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spanto and Big Applesauce Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 08:32:52 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <32.af8caab.270dcea8@aol.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2000 13:32:52.0452 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED531240:01C02F99] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A two-fold post: Kenny Shults wrote: >One is the Big Apple which is simply symposium mobius and was... Hehe... SIMPLY... Rrriiiggghhhttt.... Kenny is crazy. >...discovered in Central Park NYC in 1992 hence the name. Thank you Kenny for the historical perspective on the sport. I, personally, thoroughly enjoy reading posts on where moves originated as well as small bios on the old skoolers who brought our sport to where it is at. Thank you again. Later Ian PS Who hit Big Apple first? I would have to guess Kenny or Peter. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 11:23:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29524 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:23:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from down.shopA-Z.com (IDENT:root@[209.75.43.202]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14012 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:21:35 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f236.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.236]) by down.shopA-Z.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13630 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:20:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:20:23 -0700 Received: from 211.117.39.56 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2000 07:20:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.117.39.56] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Name and move ideas and fun Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 07:20:23 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2000 07:20:23.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EDF3840:01C0302F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I had an idea for some reverse whirl variants (butterfly variants for Ryan's sake). Symposium barfly is called supperfly so: far symposium reverse whirl= pretty fly Symposium double over down is called Shaft so: symposium reverse whirl = wannabe Other than that I've been working on toe set mirajing blender (without much seccess) which made me think of: blurry blurry blender. Just thought I'd share my pipe dream. As a final though, as I was falling asleep a few nights ago I started thinking about freestyle dance, just hitting tricks and combos to music in my head, ignoring what I can actually do or not (like 8+ consecutive paradox torques to the beat). This made me think, we talk about fat all the time, but what is the most fun string you (pl) ever had? Was it just kicking around grooving to the music was it on stage, was it hitting some insanely huge combo? The first thing that poped ito my head was hitting blury whirl>flapper>whirl>paradox drifter>blender so I guess I'm one that gets off on difficulty. Any thoughts? -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 12:22:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29616 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:22:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from acarter1 (d185.willets01.swarthmore.edu [130.58.241.185]) by juniper.its.swarthmore.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 6470617E86; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101c03175$b0ce0400$b9f13a82@swarthmore.edu> From: "Tony Carter-Piff" To: "Ryan Mulroney" , References: <003001c02d61$91ebc800$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> <020401c02f7e$41c099e0$0200a8c0@pseudo> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Long live fairy Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 15:18:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ryan said: > What the hell is wrong with the name fairy? When was it supposedly changed > to neo and who the hell changed it? amen. I would go so far as to say, fairy is a good, even "cool," name. -tony ps. i also like pixie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:38:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30430 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:38:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail15.bigmailbox.com (mail15.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.46]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24644 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:13:29 -0700 Received: by mail15.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA27745; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:16:59 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:16:59 -0700 Message-Id: <200010082016.NAA27745@mail15.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [24.3.89.252] From: "David Sanchez" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Kenny Shults Sickness Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, I had the distinct pleasure of playing with Kenny Shults and Rob Riefer this weekend. Let me tell you Kenny was hitting some serious moves, two that I don't believe anyone else has ever done before. He hit his first double spinning gyro butterfly(almost positive that's what it was, correct me if i'm wrong Kenny) and then he was fooling around juggling two bags and hit a symposium blur while still keeping the two bags in constant juggle motion,,, believe me he did it twice and actually considered it "dialable". I believe him, when he wasn't hitting it he was coming quite close. I had to post this because I didn't think it was possible before I saw it myself. Have a good day all, David Sanchez philly footworks ______________________________________________________________ "when information is in the hands of just a few you are at their mercy,,,,, you play by their rules" ...oOoOoOoOoOoooOooOoOoOoooOoOoooOoOooooOooooOOOoooOOOOooooooOorb______________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:38:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30445 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:38:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4601.mail.yahoo.com (web4601.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.156]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24783 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:18:15 -0700 Message-ID: <20001008201735.28383.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.97.2.247] by web4601.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 13:17:35 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john kingi Subject: [freestyle] Adds and Jobs. To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shredders. First off a note of thanks to the great Kenny Shults for the history lesson you gave a while back on the "Add system". I enjoy learning about the history of the sport and since I've only been on the list and visiting the site for about 6-7 months, I didn't know anything till very recently. Incidently can anyone tell me what happened to John Stalberger? I've read a little about him and Mike Marshall and was a little curious as to what happened to John after the 80s. Anyway Bla bla bla (sorry to bore you all). What I was writting in for was to find out when the Add system was (I guess) implemented? Also when did Ben Job come up with his notation and when did it catch on? I have read the Jobs notation paper at Footbag.org as well as Kenny's email on the history of the Add system and they don't realy say when it all happened. Maybe some/one of the more Knowledgeable players could write up a history on the sport and put it on Footbag.org so that some of us newbies have a place to learn the history behind the sport we've all fallen so 'in love' with. (Only a suggestion, please don't come back at me with a whole lot of "Steve works real hard to make the site what it is" stuff cause I already know, and appreciate this, its just a suggestion). Anyway. Later all and cheers for listening. Johnny. P.s. That () stuff sounded alittle harsh i know but as James Risden (sorry about the spelling James) found out a while back, you never can be too careful about the stuff you write. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:39:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30456 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:39:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [10.0.5.71] (p1351.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.5.71]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23560 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:00:31 +1100 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mattsb@pop.ozemail.com.au Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:09:40 +1100 To: freestyle@list.footbag.org From: Matt Baker Subject: [freestyle] Good Footbag Unis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I'm currently living in australia, and thinking of applying to some US universities (as an undergraduate) next year. I will sit my SATs and see how I go, however I don't really know anything about any of the universities. I was wondering which ones have an avid group of freestylers, so I could make an informed decision. Whilst some may say this is a shallow basis of choosing a tertiary institution, I have very low odds of going to any of these places, as unless I get a super-dooper scholarship, it is well beyond my means to go to uni there (I think its about $30000 as an int'l student, that's about $60k aussie atm). I'm taking it pretty half-heartedly, and I have to choose 4 unis to get my SAT scores sent to, so who should it be? (I'd like to study Organic Chemistry - bahh, as if that's important :) Thanks for your time, Matthew Baker PS - I note there is another Matt Baker who came 2nd in the Intermediate Division at worlds. Congratulations namesake! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:39:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30467 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:39:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c000.iad.cp.net (c000-h003.c000.iad.cp.net [209.228.6.67]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA31603 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:44:36 -0700 Received: (cpmta 23620 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2000 19:44:26 -0400 Date: 8 Oct 2000 19:44:26 -0400 Message-ID: <20001008234426.23619.cpmta@c000.iad.cp.net> X-Sent: 8 Oct 2000 23:44:26 GMT Received: from [203.166.57.9] by mail.chickmail.com with HTTP; 08 Oct 2000 19:44:26 EDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Karin Walker X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag injuries Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi there, I'd like to know what kind of injuries you've all had by being involved in footbag ... is it common to suffer from sore knees? Thankx, K :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:40:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30480 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:40:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f306.hotmail.com [216.32.180.160]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03829 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:46:41 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:46:04 -0700 Received: from 165.154.200.28 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 01:46:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.154.200.28] Reply-To: TheMouse@footbag.org From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Long live fairy Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 21:46:04 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <020401c02f7e$41c099e0$0200a8c0@pseudo> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2000 01:46:04.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF66A5A0:01C03192] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi people, Ryan M asked: >What the hell is wrong with the name fairy? When was it supposedly >changed >to neo and who the hell changed it? I totally agree. What is the thing with changing move names? Fairy is cool. The last thing I want to do is start another debate on what's a "manly" name for a move and what's not but damn, we all grew up using the terms pixie/fairy. I think the last thing we need to do is to start changing move names. Seriously, I'm still gonna use the name fairy and I'm sure everyone else is to. Plus, changing a move name years after it was invented isn't proper. We're screwing up our history and trying to invent a new one. Well at least that's my opinion, shred on, The Mouse From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:40:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30491 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:40:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:53:40 -0700 Received: from 216.66.131.71 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 03:53:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.66.131.71] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: regul8tr@uclink4.berkeley.edu, freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Long live fairy Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 03:53:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <020401c02f7e$41c099e0$0200a8c0@pseudo> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2000 03:53:40.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[82D41AB0:01C031A4] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ryan Wrote, >What the hell is wrong with the name fairy? When was it supposedly changed >to neo and who the hell changed it? Rick Reese said something about him and "a couple of people" all deciding on changing it to Neo. Big fan of the Matrix Rippin? :) Fairy is awesome, and so is pixie. Both sets rule. Anyway, peace. Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:41:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30502 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:41:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c4720a ([24.178.207.137]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001009043115.OVFR20964.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@c4720a>; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:31:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c031b3$483f7840$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> From: "Richard Reese" To: "Ryan Mulroney" , References: <003001c02d61$91ebc800$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> <020001c02f7d$df585720$0200a8c0@pseudo> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symposium Butterfly...the overrated four add Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:38:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Everyone, I was talking about calling a trick by its correct name. People were calling clipper to opposite side butterfly butterfly, when it is really an infiniti,right. So, therefore, a symposium butterfly would be same side and a symposium infiniti would be going from one clipper to the other with the set foot planting right after setting the bag, hence, symposium. Now I know alot of people don't think that butterfly can be symposium, and frankly you're wrong. Now, If done improper, It doesn't look very good , sure, but they can be done. I don't care how many adds you guys give these moves, but the moves do exist........ just call them by their correct names, please. Another example is Symposium Paradox Whirl, NOT paradox symposium whirl, why, because the kicker sets the bag, plants the set foot first(symp.) then does the paradox (whirl), then catches the bag. So, people, it's not really a P.S. Whirl, is it. Is this really that hard to understand? OK, for those of you that are still with me, Fairy is still the official name of the trick, and probably will stay that way, it's just that a handfull of people at Worlds( you know who you are), were discussing the possible change to Neo because new people learning to shred would laugh at the name Fairy...... and this sport is no laughing matter,Christ, I've dedicated 16 years of my life to this sport, you all should know I just want whats best for the sport. Tinkerbell, Tugboat. Elie once said what a stupid name fairy is(check the archives, it was a great post), and I agree. Rippin' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:12 AM Subject: [freestyle] Symposium Butterfly...the overrated four add > Rippin wrote: > > One more thing, symposium infiniti ( not butterfly), .... > > Why not regular symposium butterfly? Is it not a valid move? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 8 22:41:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30513 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:41:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ioracle@ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09371 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:43:05 -0700 Received: from c4720a ([24.178.207.137]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001009044207.PDQI20964.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@c4720a>; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:42:07 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c031b4$cc84bf60$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> From: "Richard Reese" To: "Ian Dubman" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spanto and Big Applesauce Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:46:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ian, Hows it going? Rippin' here. Kenny hit Big Apple first, of course in NYC. It was an incredible time,Dennis Jones, Lisa Mac-Jones, Sam and myself had an epic jam right smack dab in the kiddle of Times Square, awesome crowds and response, and it was at night,plenty of lights around of course. The best part about the event is that we had our own personal camera man there to follow us around the entire time, I have 7 videos tucked away with all the footage......incredible. I'll tell you more bed-time stories later. Take care and keep shreddin'. Later. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Dubman" To: Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spanto and Big Applesauce > > A two-fold post: > > Kenny Shults wrote: > > >One is the Big Apple which is simply symposium mobius and was... > > Hehe... SIMPLY... Rrriiiggghhhttt.... Kenny is crazy. > > > >...discovered in Central Park NYC in 1992 hence the name. > > Thank you Kenny for the historical perspective on the sport. I, personally, > thoroughly enjoy reading posts on where moves originated as well as small > bios on the old skoolers who brought our sport to where it is at. Thank you > again. > Later > Ian > > PS Who hit Big Apple first? I would have to guess Kenny or Peter. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 11:33:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00750 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:33:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02767 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:07:56 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.201.132]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G26008AO7CVIA@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 09:05:58 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] Practice regimin? To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <000b01c0320a$d05d2180$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What is the best practice regimen? I'm sure you can play too much for your legs' health right? Maybe every other day for an hour? I know that some people say just take it easy otherwise it will become a chore. No way! I'm dedicated to drilling when I'm not sessioning. But I know that if I drill everyday after 3 or four days it gets a bit harder. A big bit.... anyway, I'm aware that everyone is different but what works for you guys? -Sam OOPS! Footbag Club Hermoa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 11:33:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00755 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:33:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f21.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17749 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:46:12 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:45:35 -0700 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:45:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] ducking paradox dada? Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:45:35 NZDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2000 19:45:35.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E297CF0:01C03229] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, Yesterday i managed to hit a paradox dada curve, preceeded by a duck. ie. clip> duck(bod) > same in(pdx)(dex) > (no plant while) op out (dex) >op clip(xbd)(del). The question i'm asking is, does the move get the paradox when it is, in my subjective opinion appreciably easier than a ducking dada? Nonetheless i was stoked, did a bit of a dance afterwards, you know how it is. cheers ears, Jono Heyes. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 11:34:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00776 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:34:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4604.mail.yahoo.com (web4604.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.159]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04836 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:55:04 -0700 Message-ID: <20001009211858.23500.qmail@web4604.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <020401c02f7e$41c099e0$0200a8c0@pseudo> Received: from [202.2.11.34] by web4604.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:18:58 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:18:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john kingi Subject: Re: [freestyle] Long live fairy To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. Ryan M asked: >What the hell is wrong with the name fairy? When >was it supposedly changed to neo and who the hell >changed it? Just thought I'd throw my 2 Cents worth in on this topic. I fully agree with Ryan, and by the looks of things quite a few others on the subject. When I first heard the names "Fairy" or "Pixie" at the begining of my introduction to this sport, I didn't think... well stink one, I'm out of this sport. And how unmanly is the name "Fear"? Sounds more manly than "Neorage" or whatever would replace "Fear". The name I've got the biggest reaction from is "Smear". Try telling your female friends that you're going for a Smear and see what happens. Later. Johnny P.s. I know I'm way behind the times on this but I saw "Raw Shredd" for the first time about a week ago and Kenny hitting Whirling Twirl... Savage. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 11:35:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00787 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:35:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from novagate.net (002gra107.chartermi.net [24.247.2.107]) by mailgate.novagate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA13713 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E29931.4FDA7B58@novagate.net> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:21:06 -0400 From: ryan masuga Reply-To: masuga@novagate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Jumprope on ESPN. That's right. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hiya stylers - Anyone see jumprope championships on ESPN this last weekend? They had consecutives and doubles routines - that was all I saw as I was watching football on other channels. I just thought that if JUMPROPE can get on ESPN, then I KNOW footbag can. As impressive as some of those folks' jumping skills were, I know that some heavy-hitting freestyle could be just as, if not WAY more, entertaining! I think the range of tricks we have (i.e. overall difficulty) is above and beyond what they were doing - not to knock jumprope (ahem) but, FREESTYLE ROCKS! Hope everyone in the northern clime is finding indoor spots to kick! ryan masuga MaHUGEa 3cFD From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 11:35:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00799 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:35:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailgate.novagate.net (IDENT:root@mailgate.novagate.net [205.138.138.22]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09927 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:16:57 -0700 Received: from novagate.net (002gra107.chartermi.net [24.247.2.107]) by mailgate.novagate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA14291; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E29A13.77C48228@novagate.net> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:24:52 -0400 From: ryan masuga Reply-To: masuga@novagate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karin Walker CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag injuries References: <20001008234426.23619.cpmta@c000.iad.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I used to have mega-sore knees after kicking sessions on weekends when I was kicking with the New York crew. (S'up fellas!) Personally I have found that taking creatine before a session, and some ibuprofen afterwards (only if it was a particularly long session) has worked for me and my knees. Better form helps, too! I've been styling more than ever and haven't had a problem this entire year. ryan masuga MaHUGEa! 3cFD Karin Walker wrote: > Hi there, > > I'd like to know what kind of injuries you've all had by being involved in footbag ... is it common to suffer from sore knees? > > Thankx, > K :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 11:36:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00811 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:36:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailgate.novagate.net (IDENT:root@mailgate.novagate.net [205.138.138.22]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10052 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:25:32 -0700 Received: from novagate.net (002gra107.chartermi.net [24.247.2.107]) by mailgate.novagate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA15282; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39E29C17.14253F1@novagate.net> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:33:28 -0400 From: ryan masuga Reply-To: masuga@novagate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian Dubman CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spanto and Big Applesauce References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Kenny S wrote: > >...discovered in Central Park NYC in 1992 hence the name. Ian D: > I, personally, > thoroughly enjoy reading posts on where moves originated... I, too, think this is very interesting stuff. Ironman's trivia style was really cool (although I signed on to the list as it was ending). I really wish there was a definitive spot on the web for all of the footbag trivia. Or is there? Makes for good readin'! ryan masuga MaHUGEa! 3cFD From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 14:32:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01121 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:32:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from egateout.merant.com (rock-gate.merant.com [63.79.165.2]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28200 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:29:22 -0700 Received: from beavmail.merant.com (beavmail.merant.com [10.31.11.235]) by egateout.merant.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07217 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:28:28 -0400 Received: by abeavmail.merant.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4KKN6W1Z>; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:22:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: Paul Vorvick To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] More on "Kenny Shults Sickness" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:22:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Howdy All: Thought I'd send this little quote from an email Shults sent me to help verify what was posted earlier by David Sanchez: >I'm getting my game back into fighting shape at last. Last weekend I hit >double spinning butterfly stall to double spinning osis. Also hit spinning >backside symposium blur and gyro backside symposium blur. This weekend I >hit double spinning gyro butterfly stall and backside symposium blur in a >juggle combo, sort of like ooo icky only a lot ickier. All of these are new >tricks for me. Having been Kenny's whipping boy for half a decade, I am relieved that he has hauled his paddle to the Eastern U.S. I lost many a lunch watching Ken's game ramp up and up... Kick On, Paul V. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 14:33:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01126 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:33:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29251 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:58:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 22011 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2000 19:58:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20001010195818.22010.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20001008201735.28383.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.209.134.133] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:58:18 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:58:18 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Adds and Jobs. To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- john kingi wrote: > James Risden found > out a while back, you never can be too careful about > the stuff you write. GRRRRRRR! I'm over it! Let it go! :) Peace, James Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 18:41:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01703 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:41:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G2801901LZQRF@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:16:38 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Long live fairy In-reply-to: <020401c02f7e$41c099e0$0200a8c0@pseudo> To: Ryan Mulroney Cc: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Ryan Mulroney wrote: > What the hell is wrong with the name fairy? When was it supposedly changed > to neo and who the hell changed it? I agree. Personally I think "Neo" sounds like more of a concept name like pdx or xdex or nuclear. It's really a pain when established names get changed. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 10 18:46:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01730 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:46:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:25:12 -0700 Received: from 209.245.79.78 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:25:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.245.79.78] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: masuga@novagate.net, freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Jumprope on ESPN. That's right. Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:25:12 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39E29931.4FDA7B58@novagate.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 01:25:12.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[19F7F8C0:01C03322] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ryan masuga wrote: >Hiya stylers - > >Anyone see jumprope championships on ESPN this last weekend? They had >consecutives and doubles routines - that was all I saw as I was watching >football on other channels. I just thought that if JUMPROPE can get on >ESPN, then I KNOW footbag can. As impressive as some of those folks' >jumping skills were, I know that some heavy-hitting freestyle could be >just as, if not WAY more, entertaining! I think the range of tricks we >have (i.e. overall difficulty) is above and beyond what they were doing >- not to knock jumprope (ahem) but, FREESTYLE ROCKS! > >Hope everyone in the northern clime is finding indoor spots to kick! YEA! I saw that the other night on ESPN...it was a guy and two girls...the equivalent of like team team freestyle...it was some crazy double dutch stuff with acrobatics and stuff....I see the similarities with footbag freestyle...yo, freestyle could totally hang on ESPN...yo.. later on. ~Bryan Fournier OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach, CA. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Oct 11 11:35:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02783 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:35:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web701.mail.yahoo.com (web701.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA18905 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:25:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 1767 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Oct 2000 03:25:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20001011032545.1766.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.206.199.125] by web701.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:25:45 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: chris wollick Subject: [freestyle] hackysacks To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org would anyone happen to know where i could aquire an original hackysack? -chris From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Oct 11 11:37:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02794 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:37:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.18]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19849 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:22:51 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:22:10 -0700 Received: from 172.139.97.69 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:22:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [172.139.97.69] From: "jon nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Long live fairy Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:22:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 04:22:10.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2912060:01C0333A] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org whats up Brad, Since when was nuclear a concept??? And speaking of changing established names- I think that ferocious should be the name for fairy opp torque instead of fairy opp osis after all it is a fear+osis. Not that any names or moves i suggest ever make it to the moves list. I asked Derrick to add fairy same x-body rake to the list last year and he said he couldnt put it on because he couldnt job notate it?? > I agree. Personally I think "Neo" sounds like more of a concept name >like pdx or xdex or nuclear. It's really a pain when established names >get changed. > > Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Oct 11 11:38:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02806 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:38:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f79.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.79]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28247 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:29:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:28:41 -0700 Received: from 211.117.39.56 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:28:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.117.39.56] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle Japan Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:28:41 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 12:28:41.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9F20070:01C0337E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi freestylers, At the end of this month (I wish I knew exactly when) I'm going to be flying to Japan to change my working visa for Korea. I already did the footbag worldwide czech and sent out some e-mails, but I haven't gotten any answers back. Does anyone here know some stylers in Japan I can contact, so I can at least feel I did something while I was there besides spend a lot of money and look like another dumb tourist who knows 5 words of Japanese. Take care (even the those of the anti-stalling cult). -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 12 13:53:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05787 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:53:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f173.hotmail.com [216.32.181.173]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06063 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:06:43 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:06:02 -0700 Received: from 142.177.196.13 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:06:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.196.13] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] footbag injuries Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:06:02 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20001008234426.23619.cpmta@c000.iad.cp.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2000 20:06:02.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[ADFF81E0:01C033BE] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I've only been freestylin' for a short time, and the only serious injury I've had is a pretty bad sprained ankle. I couldn't walk very well for the a while, and I didn't kick for a couple weeks ... So, that's it ... Cole http://footbag.cjb.net >Karin Walker wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > I'd like to know what kind of injuries you've all had by being involved >in footbag ... is it common to suffer from sore knees? > > > > Thankx, > > K :) > > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 12 13:54:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05792 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:54:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.121.233]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07515 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:59:18 -0700 Received: from timothym (ip70.chicago37.il.pub-ip.psi.net [38.33.45.70]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA16484 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003101c033c5$faf1d320$462d2126@timothym> In-Reply-To: <020401c02f7e$41c099e0$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Long live fairy Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:58:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok, I don't post to this list much but it really tweeks me when I hear stuff like this, I hate when names change, especially because I have a hard enough time with the already established ones. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 12 13:54:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05807 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:54:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [10.0.5.71] (p1351.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.5.71]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29941 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:18:23 +1100 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mattsb@pop.ozemail.com.au Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:27:16 +1100 To: freestyle@list.footbag.org From: Matt Baker Subject: [freestyle] Best Freestyle Videos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I'm thinking of ordering 1 or 2 freestyle shred videos, and I was wondering what you all consider the 2 'must have' videos. Also, do all video suppliers send to australia? (Note: I have tricks of the trade - I'm looking for a shred video) Thanks, Matt. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 12 13:54:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05820 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:54:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bifur.cmc.net (mailhost.cmc.net [206.102.31.250]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17746 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:40:44 -0700 Received: from cmc.net (pm4-83.chico.cmc.net [12.7.203.84]) by bifur.cmc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBC475; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39E524A5.C5FB34BB@cmc.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:40:38 -0700 From: Joshua Feltman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chris wollick Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] hackysacks References: <20001011032545.1766.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org check e-bay. I see them on there all the time for +/- $5 chris wollick wrote: > would anyone happen to know where i could aquire an > original hackysack? > -chris From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 12 13:57:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05835 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:57:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00954 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:46:06 -0700 Received: from [144.92.122.153] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id LAA232076 (8.9.1/50); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:45:53 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20001012114511.0090e100@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:45:11 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Subject: [freestyle] shred alert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello footbaggers, I just wanted to drop a quick note about the new Mickey Mayer and Ken Somolinos' video/cd set, Shred Alert. I received it a couple of days ago, and I must say that it is excellent. The editing, music, and cinematography is some of the absolute best I have seen in a footbag video yet. Also the cd version is super as well - high quality MPEGs that you can take just about anywhere and watch (perfect for all of us college kids who need a break from late night, computer lab brain-fry). Oh yeah and then there is the shred. I could go on and on about Ken Somolinos, but let me just say a few words - Ducking Blurriest, Inspinning Ducking Butterfly, Ducking Food Processor, Blurry Ducking Paradox Symposium Whirl.... etc. etc. etc. And the Montreal boys are pretty damn impressive as well. Yacine's paradox tapping drifter (clip > same out dex > same in dex > same clip) is one of the coolest moves I have seen in a long time. Anyway, enough of the ranting. Email Mickey (mickey_mayer@hotmail.com), get the video, see for yourself, support footbag. Later Matt Kain Madison Footbag From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 12 15:03:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05970 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:03:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:09:26 -0700 Received: from 142.231.68.41 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:09:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.231.68.41] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: mattsb@ozemail.com.au, freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Best Freestyle Videos Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:09:26 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2000 21:09:26.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3C9B690:01C03490] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey man, I personally like Sultans of Shred, its long, its got great music, and a lot of different film types (black and white, negatives, etc). Also Marathon Minutes, and the intro just PUMPS YOU UP. Everytime I watch that intro I want to shred so hard. Anyway, thats my opinion. P.S. Jacob dominates Jeff Lopes Matt Baker wrote: >Hey all, > >I'm thinking of ordering 1 or 2 freestyle shred videos, and I was >wondering what you all consider the 2 'must have' videos. Also, do >all video suppliers send to australia? > >(Note: I have tricks of the trade - I'm looking for a shred video) > >Thanks, > >Matt. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 13 10:50:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08014 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:50:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11780 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:59:55 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G2C01101AJF5D@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:59:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:59:39 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Long live fairy In-reply-to: To: jon nagela Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, jon nagela wrote: > whats up Brad, Since when was nuclear a concept??? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Nuclear is the term given to clipper set reverse paradox miraging moves. > And speaking of changing > established names- I think that ferocious should be the name for fairy opp > torque instead of fairy opp osis after all it is a fear+osis. That's one of the best naming ideas I've heard in a while. And for anyone who cares about naming things, I posted a while back that I've been hitting "pixie twirl" and have decided to name it "Pivitol". Since no one responded to hitting it or it having a name I decided to take the liberty. Later all, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 13 10:50:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08019 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:50:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f140.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.140]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14431 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:09:48 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:09:06 -0700 Received: from 64.229.8.40 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:09:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.229.8.40] Reply-To: gjr@footbag.org From: "Greg Raymond" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Tricks of the Trade Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:09:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2000 00:09:06.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD2E12C0:01C034A9] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org G'day, all. A while back, I purchased Tricks of the Trade, but where I'm living I no longer have a VCR. Is there any way for me to gain access to Tricks of the Trade in DVD format or through the net? Or is there another comprehensive video source for learning the fundamentals? footbag.org is amazing, but I'm still having a hard time wrapping my mind around some of the Jobs, especially 4 adds and up. Thanks. Greg Raymond From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 13 10:51:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08028 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:51:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f137.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.137]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20058 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:43:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:42:23 -0700 Received: from 24.200.109.175 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 03:42:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.109.175] From: "Marc-André Veillette" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] shred alert Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:42:23 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20001012114511.0090e100@students.wisc.edu> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2000 03:42:23.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[98F31E60:01C034C7] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I really agree with Matthew, shred alert really kick ass.They worked really hard for this video, thanks to mickey and Ken. Guy's i'm waiting for world 2000 video. Marc-Andre Veillette Matthew Kain Lewandowski wrote: > Hello footbaggers, >I just wanted to drop a quick note about the new Mickey Mayer and Ken >Somolinos' video/cd set, Shred Alert. I received it a couple of days ago, >and I must say that it is excellent. The editing, music, and >cinematography is some of the absolute best I have seen in a footbag video >yet. Also the cd version is super as well - high quality MPEGs that you >can take just about anywhere and watch (perfect for all of us college kids >who need a break from late night, computer lab brain-fry). >Oh yeah and then there is the shred. I could go on and on about Ken >Somolinos, but let me just say a few words - Ducking Blurriest, Inspinning >Ducking Butterfly, Ducking Food Processor, Blurry Ducking Paradox Symposium >Whirl.... etc. etc. etc. >And the Montreal boys are pretty damn impressive as well. Yacine's paradox >tapping drifter (clip > same out dex > same in dex > same clip) is one of >the coolest moves I have seen in a long time. >Anyway, enough of the ranting. Email Mickey (mickey_mayer@hotmail.com), >get the video, see for yourself, support footbag. >Later >Matt Kain >Madison Footbag From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 13 10:52:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08049 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:52:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from user ([24.70.195.61]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001013052202.CBZZ8768.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@user>; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:22:02 -0700 Message-ID: <004501c034d5$db623a20$3dc34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Allan Haggett" To: Subject: [freestyle] business cards?? Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:23:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, It was rather ironic a few months ago when Matt Cross posted about the free business cards available from that .com....I had just finished working on a flyer to hand to people because I started to get frustrated when people would say things to the effect of "Isn't that Hacky Sack??" I laid it out in Word at the time. A couple of weeks ago, after reading all the positive stuff people were saying about these cards, and reading what *someone*(sorry I can't remember your name) who was a pro designer saying that just www.footbag.org on a business card wasn't really cool enough for what footbag is, I decided that as a happy medium between design and functionality, I would put what I had done into HTML and post it for anyone to download/save and print. It's up mainly to provide a basic template for people to maybe design their own, modify what I've done or just print it and start handing them out. It's setup so that you'll get three, double-sided flyers per page. For the straight up "print and hand out method" just go to the URL below, setup your printer to print in *landscape* mode and make sure you only print page 1 first. Then flip this sheet and reload it in your printer, printing the second page on the reverse. Then simply cut the page into the three sections and in ten copies you've got 30 flyers to hand out...... a cost of less than $1 for most printers. OR, print out 1 and photocopy a bunch at work or school or something. Either way, it's on the cheap:) It's black and white friendly, though the little bags and the link will print out in colour. You can view my newly tweaked flash website at http://members.home.com/freestylefootbag and follow the link to the footbag flyer page, or I suppose, if you don't have a flash player(there is still a text link on the home page) you can just go directly to http://members.home.com/freestylefootbag/footbagflyer.htm Feel perfectly free to modify, re-distribute or re-produce it in any way. Any tips, suggestions or *constructive* critic's are welcome to contact me :) Allan H. Victoria, BC PS I believe that it's really and truly important for people to know more about Footbag and almost everyone that sees it being performed would be stoked to have something to take home with them that will remind them to find out more.... why support some huge corporation in their advertising campaigns to do something that can be done more effectively without it. How many of you that got those free cards have received mad amounts of junk mail from every Tom, Dick & Harry that S**ples sold your email and home address to? PSS I print out my flyers on Hemp paper. Please, if you print anything off my page, have some consideration as to what kind of paper your using. Be Green:) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 15 22:44:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13500 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:44:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from novagate.net (002gra107.chartermi.net [24.247.2.107]) by mailgate.novagate.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA51023; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:54:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from masuga@novagate.net) Message-ID: <39E7A2C5.A488CC33@novagate.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:03:19 -0400 From: ryan masuga Reply-To: masuga@novagate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Haggett CC: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] business cards?? References: <004501c034d5$db623a20$3dc34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Allan- I was the one who said the business cards were a good idea but that they lacked pizzazz...and you were the one to do something about it! Props to you, man. Everybody go check his site - there's a couple videos of some sweet moves (nice inspinning torque!), some nice touches with Flash, the printable flyers, and links to other sites. Cool! ryan masuga MaHUGEa! 3cFD Allan Haggett wrote: > You can view my newly tweaked flash website at > http://members.home.com/freestylefootbag and follow the link to the footbag > flyer page, or I suppose, if you don't have a flash player(there is still a > text link on the home page) you can just go directly to > http://members.home.com/freestylefootbag/footbagflyer.htm From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 15 22:44:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13511 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:44:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [10.0.5.71] (p1351.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.5.71]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06328 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:17:03 +1100 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mattsb@pop.ozemail.com.au Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:26:28 +1100 To: freestyle@list.footbag.org From: Matt Baker Subject: [freestyle] Sponsorship. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All, I'm sorry for my recent spate of posting to the list of late, must be because I should be studying. I was wondering how those of you who are sponsored managed to hook up the contacts and deals? My friend Adam told me something about the Auckland kickers doing demonstrations for the Auckland Casino, and then getting sponsored for Worlds, but I don't know any details. How do you sell footbag, and what kind of things can I offer a potential sponsor? (this applies for other things as well, I am also looking for a sponsor in fencing, which I have been doing for 7 years, and am reasonably proficient in the U20 age group - however sponsorship is very sparse). Do you offer product placement, or results, or good conduct or what? Thanks a lot, -Matt Baker From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 15 22:44:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13505 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:44:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c1mailgw04.prontomail.com ([216.163.184.10]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19251 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:59:02 -0700 Received: from c1web102 (216.163.184.10) by c1mailgw04.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.1.050) id 39E4A4AE0008C581 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:57:28 -0700 X-Version: homestead 6.2.3.2361.0 From: "Frank Montanaro" Message-Id: <5B8BA0E1281A4D115A440005B8275CC1@megaed.homestead.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:40:05 -0500 X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Shredding Music X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List! I was wondering what type of music you listen to while shredding (hardcore, rock, R&B,etc.). Send the replies privately to me at megaed@homestead.com so the list won't get flooded with responces :-). Thanks, Frank(dahacker) Check out Born2Hack's site http://go.to/born2hack |-|/-\[|<`|' $/-\[|< From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 15 22:48:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13536 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:48:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f118.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.118]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30287 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:22:06 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:21:24 -0700 Received: from 63.10.203.218 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:21:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.10.203.218] From: "Glenn Gentzke" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Worlds FULL Results Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:21:24 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2000 17:21:24.0190 (UTC) FILETIME=[57DFFFE0:01C036CC] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, does anyone know where i can find the full results for the open and intermediate freestyle events from Worlds 2000? I'm talking the actual scores and info and not just a list of the placing. If anyone knows, please tell me. ~Glenn "BoZ" Gentzke ___ /^ \__ (o; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:06:02 -0700 Received: from alaska (port-3-89-56k.beckley.zoomnet.net [208.29.207.44]) by ns3.zoomnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA26829 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00e501c037de$e5f12f30$2ccf1dd0@alaska> From: "Vern DeHaven" To: Subject: [freestyle] Couldn't find it Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:06:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Couldn't find ducking osis on the list. Does it have a name other than this? Peace, Vern From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 16 23:14:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16479 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:14:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Brian Parsons Received: from imo-r20.mail.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09243 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:09:27 -0700 Received: from TrollJr22@aol.com by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id z.a8.bd902b9 (3994) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:08:36 EDT Subject: [freestyle] pdx reverse whirl To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up? I hate to bring the reverse whirl thing up again but I am not understanding at all how it can get a paradox add. It is in no way paradox. If reverse whirl can get a paradox add then why wouldn't barfly or any other move similar to it get the paradox add? "As in a pdx whirl, the dexterity is performed with the knee with the ankle circling the bag. This is unlike a butterfly where the hips are used to make the upper leg do the dexterity." The dexterity is done the same way with a barfly. Can someone please explain this to me? thank you, Brian Parsons From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 16 23:16:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16500 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:16:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f271.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.149]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19009 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:02:56 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:02:13 -0700 Received: from 128.214.152.156 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:02:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.214.152.156] From: "Samuli Viitanen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] atomic tric names Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:02:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2000 06:02:13.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB8F53D0:01C037FF] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Everybody! So, I'd just like to know that has atomic dragonfly kick or atomic double leg over nicknames? Or are the names just as I have wrote them? I'd bet that some atomic-set guru has hit and probably named those? I haven't managed to hit the double leg over thing, though 'meltdown' could be a suitable name...? Anyway, keep kicking y'all and have a nice autumn! -Samuli Viitanen -finnishredder@footbag.org ps. props to Allan! NICE INSPINNING TORQUE!!!! WHOA!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 16 23:37:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16586 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:37:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f94.hotmail.com [209.185.131.157]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19487 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:28:00 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:27:17 -0700 Received: from 61.12.0.59 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:27:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [61.12.0.59] From: "brad whitaker" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] downunder Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 06:27:17 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2000 06:27:17.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C0A1380:01C03803] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org G'day...is there anyone out there willing to help out the Aussie footbag community by sending us one of the latest shred videos (eg. "shred alert" or whatever). Willing to pay all expenses. We're a little starved of inspiration down here in Australia.... Thanks, Brad...email. raveboy70@hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 17 09:24:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17547 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:24:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31914 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:02:20 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (tnt2-184-41.cac.psu.edu [128.118.184.41]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA82782 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:01:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001017095900.00af73e0@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:01:40 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: Re: [freestyle] atomic tric names In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Samuli wrote: >So, I'd just like to know that has atomic dragonfly kick or atomic double >leg over nicknames? Or are the names just as I have wrote them? I have hit atomic dragonfly, but have never gotten anywhere close to atomic double leg over. We were talking about it in a Penn State Trio circle a few weeks ago and suggested the name Atomic Dog for atomic dlo. Anybody like this? It seems like George Clinton and the Parliament crew get their propz everywhere else, why not here? Alex Integer of P.S.T. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 14:41:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23229 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:41:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 9572 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2000 15:34:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20001017153422.9571.qmail@web2904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.216.84.43] by web2904.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:34:22 PDT In-Reply-To: <20001011032545.1766.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:34:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Upton Subject: Re: [freestyle] hackysacks To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'd say look around a Big K-Mart or maybe even Big Lots for them. I got mine a few years ago at Big Lots in a combo pack with a frisbee ring for about $4. K-Mart often sells them in the sporting goods section as a "Soccer Trainer" in different sizes for $4-$7. I've found out it worked better after I popped a seam playing and drained some of the beads. Mine was a lot more loose than the knit bags most of my friends have, but it didn't toe stall very well until after I took extra beads out. (The fact that I still can't land a clipper is a different matter...) ---Dan chris wollick wrote: > would anyone happen to know where i could aquire an > original hackysack? > -chris From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 14:41:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23234 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:41:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04229 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:54:14 -0700 Received: from [144.92.122.153] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id LAA96704 (8.9.1/50); Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:53:55 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20001017115309.0081db40@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:53:09 -0500 To: Alexander Faber , freestyle@footbag.org From: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Subject: Re: [freestyle] atomic tric names In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20001017095900.00af73e0@email.psu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alex wrote: >but have never gotten anywhere close to atomic >double leg over. We were talking about it in a Penn State Trio circle a >few weeks ago and suggested the name Atomic Dog for atomic dlo. I am pretty sure that someone else has rights to this move name. I know that Lynton Stephens posted a while back and was calling this move a "predator", but it never went onto the move list. If my memory serves me right, I think he mentioned that Adrian Dick was the original styler in the land-down-under scene who was hitting this. I'm sure others have been hitting this as well. Just thought I would mention this in case the rightful owner wants to lay claim to the name. Matt Kain Madison Footbag From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 14:43:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23251 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:43:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web705.mail.yahoo.com (web705.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.25]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04886 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:15:00 -0700 Received: (qmail 9881 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Oct 2000 17:14:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20001017171443.9880.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20001017095900.00af73e0@email.psu.edu> Received: from [192.9.25.21] by web705.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:14:43 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:14:43 -0700 (PDT) From: chris wollick Subject: [freestyle] atomic dlo To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alexander Faber wrote: >I have hit atomic dragonfly, but have never gotten >anywhere close to atomic double leg over. atomic dlo as in a tap with a legover at the end? or atomic dlo as in atom smasher with a legover at the end? i'm just wondering because the first one seems more do-able then the other one. -chris From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 14:43:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23262 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:43:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from davisbrody.com (mail.davisbrody.com [205.253.194.181]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05981 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:44:42 -0700 Received: from davisbrody.com [209.73.237.244] by davisbrody.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.04) id A0648F00198; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:46:12 -0400 Message-ID: <39EC8F7B.98DA0DC8@davisbrody.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:42:19 -0400 From: Bruce Dole X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] atomic tric names References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001017095900.00af73e0@email.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Alex (and others); Though I haven't hit atomic double legover either, I had a few ideas for naming it also..I thought of Atomic Dog too(no, really, I did, honest); it's cool 'cause it rhymes with all those other triple-dex-double-legover moves like fog, smog, frog...the only downside is that "atomic" means something specific in footbag-speak, so it kinda makes it seem as though "Dog" is another name for double legover. Might be confusing for the newbies, but maybe not. Here are a couple more names; flog, balrog, pollywog, Prague....I dunno, cool move though... Bruce Dole NYFA Alexander Faber wrote: > I have hit atomic dragonfly, but have never gotten anywhere close to atomic > double leg over. We were talking about it in a Penn State Trio circle a > few weeks ago and suggested the name Atomic Dog for atomic dlo. Anybody > like this? It seems like George Clinton and the Parliament crew get their > propz everywhere else, why not here? > > Alex > Integer of P.S.T. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 14:43:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23273 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:43:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha1.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.20]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07774 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:35:38 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001017183520.XUKI19628.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:35:20 -0700 Message-ID: <39EC9D7B.22C62091@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:42:03 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pdx reverse whirl References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brian Parsons wrote: > > What's up? I hate to bring the reverse whirl thing up again but I am not > understanding at all how it can get a paradox add. I'm glad you asked. This debate has been coming and going for a while. So, let's get rid of it once and for all. A poll has been set up on footbag.org http://www.footbag.org/poll/conduct/971804588 I'll let this poll run for a couple of weeks, and then I'll update the move list accordingly. Hopefully this will end the debate. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 14:45:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23284 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:45:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.Callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.180.64.194]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11337 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:26:28 -0700 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id <4W17APLW>; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:17:31 +1300 Message-ID: <48A772923645D411B54100D0B765CC213EE750@INETSRV> In-Reply-To: From: Adrian Dick To: "'Samuli Viitanen'" , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] atomic tric names Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:17:29 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Samuli said: > So, I'd just like to know that has atomic dragonfly kick or > atomic double leg over nicknames? Or are the names just as > I have wrote them? I'd bet that some atomic-set guru has > hit and probably named those? Adrian says: Did Someone say Atomic??? I've hit both of those, although I just call them what you called them above. Other Atomic moves I have hit which I dont know the name of are: Atomic Butterfly kick (toe > op out dex, op out dex > op clip kick Atomic Sameside Butterfly kick (toe > op out dex > same out dex > op clip kick Atomic Eclipse Atomic Drifter Atomic Torque Atomic sameside Paradon (I call this one Kiwi :) Also, I know gimpy tricks do not get their own name, but here's a few atomic gimpy tricks which I have been messing with: Atomic Gimpy Mirage Atomic Gimpy Butterfly Atomic Gimpy Whirl Atomic Gimpy Paradon Atomic Gimpy Drifter Atomic Gimpy Ducking Butterfly Atomic Gimpy Ducking Pincher Cheers ! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 14:46:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23295 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:46:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13079 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:14:47 -0700 Received: from sammy ([199.172.153.124]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001018211358.MLHS23819.ewey.excite.com@sammy> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:13:58 -0700 Message-ID: <5995392.971903638869.JavaMail.imail@sammy> In-Reply-To: <5B8BA0E1281A4D115A440005B8275CC1@megaed.homestead.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:13:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Davidson To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shredding Music Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.107.90.78 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:40:05 -0500, Frank Montanaro wrote: > I was wondering what type of music you listen to while shredding > (hardcore, rock, R&B,etc.). On that same note... does anyone have a list of what songs were used in finals over the past fifteen years? Particularly, the winning songs. It gets harder and harder to pick music that noone has used, especially when I don't know what was used. I don't want to step on anyones proverbial toes. (Pete used Bode Saffra [sp?], which I have used on East Coast, and Ryan used part of Carmen which I had used in '94 worlds, so the good music is being used over and over but not on purpose I am sure.) I for one, want to use music that hasn't been used yet. Thats all. sorry to rant. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 14:46:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23307 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:46:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from firefly.prairienet.org (firefly.prairienet.org [192.17.3.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16272 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:53:34 -0700 Received: from bluestem (bluestem.prairienet.org [192.17.3.4]) by firefly.prairienet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13070 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:53:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:53:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Philip Summers X-Sender: konrad@bluestem To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] reverse whirl Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hit a miragin symposium reverse whirl several times. it's like da-da- curve but the 2nd dex is with the lower leg; i found that turning 90 degrees towards the set makes the move less fluffy. can anybody bust a miraging para-symp whirl (NOT blurry set, just ALL outta the air?) -phil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 14:47:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23318 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:47:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25092 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:49:48 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001019034914.LRDX5267.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:49:14 -0700 Message-ID: <39EE70F0.5F1766E2@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:56:32 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Temporary video outage on dallasfootbag Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone. Yes, yes, I know... the videos on dallasfootbag.org are temporarily disabled. I will get around to fixing it all in a couple of days. In the meantime, feel free to look at http://www.dallasfootbag.org/multimedia/ShredAlert/SA-ken2.mpg This is a clip from "Shred Alert" - the new tape by Mickey Mayer & Ken Somolinos. And, if that doesn't satisfy you, how about this one? http://www.dallasfootbag.org/multimedia/records/davidson02pdxwhirl.mpg This is the current paradox whirl record - 28 by Scott Davidson. This clip is from "Shredded Documents" - put out by Jeff Cummings of JDC Productions. So, please stop sending me emails about the videos being down... I know it. Enjoy the videos and look forward to some new ones soon. -Derric Dallas Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 14:48:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23329 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:48:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail2.caprock.net (mail2.caprock.net [204.177.210.38]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21327 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:21:33 -0700 Received: from karen2 ([216.86.3.62]) by mail2.caprock.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:22:31 -0500 From: "James Roberts" To: "'Shred List'" Subject: [freestyle] Viva la Mexico! Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 10:20:11 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c039e0$1390fb20$0b3e1390@karen2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hola! I will be in Mexico City next Thursday thru Sunday (October 26-29th), spreading the footbag news for 2500 students at the American Federation School...all expenses paid - WOO-HOO! I am also taking 150 Revolution Sandblasters for their athletic boosters to raise a little $$...Thanks Sandman. Does anyone know any other shredders in that area, and their contact info? I feel like I could use the help with that many people. Also, please send any suggestions you may have as far as getting the word out to our neighbors to the south. Please reply directly to me. Adios, JR From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 14:49:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23340 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:49:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2004.mail.yahoo.com (web2004.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.204]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA26985 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:09:33 -0700 Received: (qmail 2847 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2000 20:09:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20001019200918.2846.qmail@web2004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [209.129.16.5] by web2004.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:09:18 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:09:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] pdx reverse whirl To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Parsons wrote: >What's up? I hate to bring the reverse whirl >thing up again... So do I. >Can someone please explain >this to me? This is a good point. I don't think anyone has made any case why it should be pdox... anyone?... anyone?... Bueller?... Scalf? Will you please appropriately place these moves on the list? Blurry rev wrl = 4 adds; 4 PD (points of difficulty). Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 15:50:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23605 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:50:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30797 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:55:49 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001019215508.MOXU315.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:55:08 -0700 Message-ID: <39EF6F67.7DAD3F86@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:02:15 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] atomic dlo References: <20001017171443.9880.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org chris wollick wrote: > > atomic dlo as in a tap with a legover at the end? or > atomic dlo as in atom smasher with a legover at the > end? Atomic double legover is an atomic set followed by a double legover - hence the name, atomic double legover. The Job's would be: toe > op out > op in > op out > same toe. I think that the other move you are asking about is a tapping double legover ("atomic same side" double legover). Job's: toe > op out (plant) > same in > op out > same toe. Cool? -D From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 15:52:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23616 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:52:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail-dns1-nj.dialogic.com (mail-dns1-nj.dialogic.com [146.152.228.10]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31551 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:14:21 -0700 Received: from mail4.dialogic.com ([146.152.6.40]) by mail-dns1-nj.dialogic.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: dialogic.m4,v 1.3 2000/05/05 13:56:23 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id WAA23004 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:18:13 GMT Received: from exchange3nj.dialogic.com (mailnj.dialogic.com [146.152.3.18]) by mail4.dialogic.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29287 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mailnj.dialogic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <4Y7P7S9A>; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:14:02 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39EE70F0.5F1766E2@dallasfootbag.org> From: "Coventry, Damian" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Temporary video outage on dallasfootbag Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:14:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org repsonding to two at once here... Adrian said: > > Did Someone say Atomic??? > and Derric posted these two urls: > > http://www.dallasfootbag.org/multimedia/ShredAlert/SA-ken2.mpg > > http://www.dallasfootbag.org/multimedia/records/davidson02pdxwhirl.mpg > and Damian is posting: here's a video of a kiwi kicker in action, there's two different atomic moves in this vid and three atomic moves in all, try and spot them ;) http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~spmmzs6a/footbag.htm byeee From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 15:54:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23632 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:54:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: David Sanchez Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32335 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:31:28 -0700 Received: from Orbspiders@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id z.d0.c908210 (15857) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web37.aolmail.aol.com (web37.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.13]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:30:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:30:40 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shredding Music To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I would say pick music that matches your style and tempo. I like to kick fast paced most of the time and so I find myself listening to underground electronic music called GOA trance. It has a particularly driving beat and seems to get me in the spirit of things. There are many build-ups that get me so pumped,,, it's really what gave me the transition from kicking to shredding, honestly. You could find this music easily by searching on the web, I won't advertize a website or anything but there are plenty. When I am drilling some of my fundamental moves and am moving slower but looking for control I like to listen to some reggae like Lee Scratch Perry or something to that effect, keeps me mellow. And another thing is to HAVE style. I pesonally thought some of the music this year was incredible at worlds, but I would have to say(on a personal opinion note) don't take Scott Davidson's advice. His music this year was absolutely horrid. But hey,,, thats just me. David Sanchez philly footworks From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 15:54:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23643 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:54:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from davisbrody.com (mail.davisbrody.com [205.253.194.181]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00394 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:42:30 -0700 Received: from davisbrody.com [209.73.237.244] by davisbrody.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.04) id A9317E6B0246; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:44:01 -0400 Message-ID: <39EF780C.E5E7C731@davisbrody.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:39:09 -0400 From: Bruce Dole X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Temporary video outage on dallasfootbag References: <39EE70F0.5F1766E2@dallasfootbag.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thanks Derric, Great clips......nice run Ken. NICE RUN!? What am I, nuts? That was 46 #$*^# moves! I didn't exactly count adds, but 46 guiltless tricks, with that much variety, deserves some serious props..... And on a completely unrelated topic (yeah, right), what qualifies someone to be BAP-tized? I'm unclear on this subject, would someone please clear this up for me? Is it long strings? Is it big tricks? Do you need to be a creature with all three dimensions? Two outta three ain't bad.... Bruce Dole NYFA (go Ken!) Derric Scalf wrote: > Hey everyone. Yes, yes, I know... the videos on dallasfootbag.org are > temporarily disabled. I will get around to fixing it all in a couple of > days. In the meantime, feel free to look at > > http://www.dallasfootbag.org/multimedia/ShredAlert/SA-ken2.mpg > > This is a clip from "Shred Alert" - the new tape by Mickey Mayer & Ken > Somolinos. > > And, if that doesn't satisfy you, how about this one? > > http://www.dallasfootbag.org/multimedia/records/davidson02pdxwhirl.mpg > > This is the current paradox whirl record - 28 by Scott Davidson. This > clip is from "Shredded Documents" - put out by Jeff Cummings of JDC > Productions. > > So, please stop sending me emails about the videos being down... I know > it. Enjoy the videos and look forward to some new ones soon. > > -Derric > Dallas Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Oct 19 16:40:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23765 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:40:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01679 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:26:17 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G2P05S01AF825@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:25:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:25:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] atomic tric names In-reply-to: <3.0.2.32.20001017115309.0081db40@students.wisc.edu> To: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Cc: Alexander Faber , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Matthew Kain Lewandowski wrote: > >few weeks ago and suggested the name Atomic Dog for atomic dlo. > I am pretty sure that someone else has rights to this move name. I know Ask Tuan Vu. I posted this question over a year ago and he had named the trick way back, but I can't remember what it was called. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 20 12:16:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26561 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:16:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f123.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.123]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03219 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:17:04 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:16:21 -0700 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 00:16:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: konrad@prairienet.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse whirl Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:16:21 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2000 00:16:21.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9664340:01C03A2A] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Phil Summers inquired: > >can anybody bust a miraging para-symp whirl (NOT blurry set, just ALL >outta the air?) > Yeah, back on Shredded Wheat there is footage of a 16 year old Brian McKenzie hitting this. It looks really funny. He also hits food processor in the same manner, like he is doing a torque and then spazzes in mid-air. I've seen Brian hit food processor blurry style too. One last thing: I still think that naming moves should be left to those who hit the move first, or who can at least hit the move. Just a thought. Keep shredding everybody, Ken CF Somolinos P.S.-whirl P.P.S.- yesterday while playing frisbee I flapper kicked a frisbee that was thrown at me and caught it. Frisbee rocks. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 20 12:18:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26582 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:18:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f58.hotmail.com [216.32.181.58]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08411 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:18:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:17:33 -0700 Received: from 154.5.58.253 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 03:17:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [154.5.58.253] Reply-To: TheMouse@footbag.org From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shredding Music Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:17:33 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2000 03:17:33.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[49FDF0A0:01C03A44] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Dave Sanchez wrote in: >but I would have to say(on a personal opinion note) don't take Scott >Davidson's advice. His music this year was absolutely horrid. Damn, I gotta agree. Sorry Scott but Syxx is SO OUT!!! :) Hehe, no but seriously to add to this little discussion, if you want to find music no has used in the past, you gotta dig deep and find something really underground. I personally prefer "skratch" (turntablism), something like Qbert, Shortkut or Mix Master Mike. Some of my fellow kickers don't particularly like shredding to it but I enjoy it. Electronica/Techno is always a popular choice. Search, search and ye shall find. The Mouse P.S. By the way, whoever busted their routines to DJ Shadow's "Organ Donor" (I think it was you, Jon), props on that. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 20 12:18:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26593 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:18:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f268.hotmail.com [216.32.180.226]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10374 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:48:25 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 21:47:41 -0700 Received: from 129.93.56.123 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 04:47:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.56.123] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Is he man or machine? Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:47:41 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2000 04:47:41.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[E118D6B0:01C03A50] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've had many heroes over the years: Erkle, Colonal Klink, and that guy on the corner who tells me he's the messiah, but I've found a new hero tonight, and he goes by the name of Ken. Nice freakin string Ken! That's really all I had to say. Kamakenzie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 23 00:04:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31916 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:04:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c1mailgw01.prontomail.com ([216.163.184.10]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02054 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:35:03 -0700 Received: from c1web102 (216.163.184.10) by c1mailgw01.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.1.050) id 39EB623C0007DB7F for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:33:46 -0700 X-Version: homestead 6.2.3.2361.0 From: "Frank Montanaro" Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:25:38 -0500 X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Conclusions of favorite music X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey thanks for all the replies from my post!:-)Well, here are the results Heavy Metal-20% Rock-20% Trance-16% Techno-12% Rap-8% Pop-7% Mixes-8% Hippy-4% Classiacl-4% Just an estimate I calculated from all the e-mails I got :-) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 23 00:04:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31925 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:04:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f58.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.58]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02159 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:40:41 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:39:57 -0700 Received: from 24.67.226.58 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:39:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.67.226.58] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Same Leg Double Dex Moves Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 23:39:57 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2000 23:39:57.0969 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E686010:01C03AEF] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Today was one of the most fulfilling freestyle days of my life. It was up there with witnessing freestyle greatness in Van. Today I reached the goal I made when I started freestyling. To hit every move on tricks of the trade. Now I need a new goal!!!! BIG APPLE!!! HAHA :) Anyway, my question is about same leg double dex moves like double over down, barfly, and paradon. These moves I find super hard to hit consistently. They have been my personal weakness in footbag since I started. If I were to pick moves that I hate skooling it would be these. I know these are all different moves, but they involve the same ideas. The differences are they are set from different places. Ive read the tips on footbag.org but there aren't too many. Wulff's on barfly helped me a bit. Anyway, tips would TOTALLY be appreciated. Thanks guys and gals! Jeff Lopes P.S. Ken Somolinos is incredible. Keep it up Ken!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 23 00:14:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31965 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:14:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f63.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.63]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21224 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:33:46 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:33:02 -0700 Received: from 63.209.92.82 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:33:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.209.92.82] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: AdrianD@callplus.co.nz, fbagsam@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] atomic tric names Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 11:33:02 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48A772923645D411B54100D0B765CC213EE750@INETSRV> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2000 18:33:02.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[584E7C20:01C03B8D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adrian Dick wrote: >Also, I know gimpy tricks do not get their own name, but here's a few >atomic gimpy tricks which I have been messing with: > >Atomic Gimpy Mirage >Atomic Gimpy Butterfly >Atomic Gimpy Whirl >Atomic Gimpy Paradon >Atomic Gimpy Drifter >Atomic Gimpy Ducking Butterfly >Atomic Gimpy Ducking Pincher > >Cheers ! Atomic gimpy torque and Atomic Gimpy DLO is a lot of (alotta) fun and games too. On a side note...in one of Ken Somolino's posts about possible insane moves...he had some pretty good stuff...one move in particular which stood out in my mind was shooting drifter... it stood out because I'm like a billion light years from hitting this set, so I was wondering if any of you "shooters" out there have hit this, I know Yacine has hits some crazy drifter stuff like fairy tapping drifter or something and Eli hits crazy drifter moves, not to mention the blurry drifter record...and of course Sunil probly hitting some of his crazy "Jani 5's" to high plains drifter by now...with all this insanity I'd think shooting drifter would have been explored...anyways...just ranting...later on. ~Bryan Fournier OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach, CA. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 23 00:14:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31976 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:14:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA22205 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:09:08 -0700 Received: (qmail 28248 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2000 19:08:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20001021190854.28247.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.50.80.69] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:08:54 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:08:54 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] quintless To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I finally hit my first ever 2 6add moves in a row combo. It was blurry torque> symp tomohawk. Check her out: http://members.xoom.com/shreddined/jamezbtst.mpg I've also been hitting blurriest> blurriest over and over. I'm gonna hit 3 soon! Peace, James Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 23 00:15:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31988 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:15:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01767 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:57:57 -0700 Received: (qmail 19645 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Oct 2000 04:57:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20001022045743.19644.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [64.210.241.101] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:57:43 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:57:43 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shredding Music To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- David Sanchez wrote: > pesonally thought some of the music this year > was incredible at worlds, but I would have to > say(on a personal opinion note) don't take Scott > Davidson's advice. His music this year was > absolutely horrid. But hey,,, thats just me. Hey buddy, I hope you were being sarcastic. The last thing anyone needs on their mind while performing a routine is, "Are they gonna like my song?". I say, pick what you like and don't give a fu-k about what others think. It's all about the footbag, and Scott knows how to shred a footbag. Bye, James From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 23 00:15:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31999 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:15:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f203.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.203]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25942 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:26:15 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 18:25:30 -0700 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:25:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Shred Alert video clips on Dallasfootbag.org Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:25:30 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2000 01:25:30.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[21EDBE80:01C03C90] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi stylers! As I'm sure many of you have already noticed, the videos section on Dallasfootbag.org is back up and running, and better than before. In addition to the new look, there are also 12 new freestyle videos up! Clips from the tape Shred Alert can be seen at: http://www.dallasfootbag.org/multimedia/Shred_Tapes/ShredAlert/index.html Mickey and I have received a lot of positive feedback on our new tape, Shred Alert, which spotlights the freestyle scene in Montreal this summer. The tape and the CD-rom (the first shred CD-Rom ever, MPEG format) are both 40 minutes long. Watch the East Coast slice their way through hein 4,5,6,and 7 add moves and creative strings. The video is digitally edited and features a combination of natural sound and good music, as well as special effects like slow motion and move name superimpositions. Check out the clips at the above address, and if you like what you see e-mail me or Mickey (TheMouse@footbag.org) for more info. Enjoy the clips! Ken Somolinos and Mickey Mayer PS-thanks to Derric for hosting our clips and running such a great site. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 23 00:21:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32014 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 00:21:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32687 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:07:43 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001020214208.HGZ12440.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 14:42:09 -0700 Message-ID: <39F0BD6A.BC688782@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 16:47:22 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] video clips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok. The videos on http://www.dallasfootbag.org are up and running again. You might need to clear your cache or at least reload the page before it will look right. A new section has been added featuring 12 clips from the new video Shred Alert. This video is provided by Mickey Mayer and Ken Somolinos, so if you want details, talk to them (TheMouse@footbag.org or Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org). One of the best things about it is that it is also available in CD-ROM format. Cool deal. The two urls I posted the other day will be disabled soon, but you can still find the videos by going to the site and digging through the galleries. Enjoy the videos, and please let me know if anything is still broken (private email, of course). See everyone at Texas State. -Derric Dallas Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 23 23:52:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02324 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:52:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9NKj2905003 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001501c03d32$74c376c0$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: <20001022045743.19644.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shredding Music Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:47:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Risden wrote: > The last thing > anyone needs on their mind while performing a routine > is, "Are they gonna like my song?". As someone who has some experience in competition I would have to disagree with this. Playing to a song that people other than yourself can enjoy is one of the most important elements of a routine. > I say, pick what > you like and don't give a fu-k about what others > think. By others, do you mean people like judges? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 23 23:53:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02335 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:53:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f221.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.221]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29936 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:47:44 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:46:56 -0700 Received: from 63.208.71.91 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 20:46:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.208.71.91] From: "dave johnson" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] 2000 worlds Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:46:56 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2000 20:46:56.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2AC7820:01C03AD6] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup freestylers, I was wondering if n e of y'all had the scores from the 2000 worlds OR videos of Ryan Mulroney, i'd especially appreciate his final, i heard he had ANOTHER dropless and schooled EVERYONE. Drop me a line at THEGRATWON00@hotmail.com. Thanx, later Dave Mitchell, The Great One From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 23 23:54:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02346 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:54:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26252 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:46:02 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:44:33 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:39:50 -0700 Message-ID: <01C03D29.01F598C0.ewulff@jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shredding Music Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:39:48 -0700 Organization: JSI SHIPPING X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It wasn't STIX you geek... it was freekin Peter Frampton. :):) One of the great cheese pop artists of the 70's. Show some respect for Peter & SD for cryin out loud. sheesh! It certainly wasn't that bad cause I LIKED IT. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 23 23:55:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02357 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:55:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saturn.wwc.edu (IDENT:postfix@saturn.wwc.edu [199.236.178.1]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28160 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:35:31 -0700 Received: from student.wwc.edu (student.wwc [10.82.5.3]) by saturn.wwc.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F20D70019 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WWC-Message_Server by student.wwc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:34:58 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:34:25 -0700 From: "Erik Engeberg" To: Subject: [freestyle] sixless combos, anyone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id VAA01911 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just so risden's, quintless combo, which was very nice and it made me wonder, has anyone out there hit consecutive 7 add moves? If so, which ones? How about blurry ducking symposium whirl > ducking torch-r-rack > spinning ducking superfly > ducking superfly swirl? That would be cool. I'll just keep schooling my four's. -EdE From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 23 23:57:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02369 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:57:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f204.hotmail.com [216.32.181.204]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28801 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:23:18 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:22:33 -0700 Received: from 142.59.214.246 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:22:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.59.214.246] From: "Greg Buzon" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] what could this be?? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:22:33 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2000 05:22:33.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[69F25ED0:01C03D7A] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all... I was kicking during one of my breaks at work today and mananged to do a move. I have no idea if it has a name or what what but it looks kinda cool. I'll try to explain it as best i can. -go into a pendulem -about a third of the way through bend your knee and kick (or pull) the footbag between your legs catching on your heel -continue swinging your leg behind you it should be done in one fluid motion any comments? Greg B From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Oct 25 13:16:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06197 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:16:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f286.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.164]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31755 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:58:01 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:57:15 -0700 Received: from 24.67.226.58 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:57:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.67.226.58] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Worlds 2000 Video's Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:57:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2000 06:57:15.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF12DE80:01C03E50] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok guys, I know a whole lot of you took a lot of video footage at the Worlds this year... what I want to know is when are you gonna get it into Steve so he can put it on the site and let us ALL enjoy the fruits of footbag. I'm so anxious to see some of the footage taken (especially the late night shred, we missed that cuz we had to leave early), so if anyone wants to do a good deed, and has the time, I'm sure it would be muchly appreciated worldwide to get those videos in! Common guys, I know you can do it! Jeff Lopes and the Kelowna Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Oct 25 13:15:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06187 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:15:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f194.hotmail.com [216.32.181.194]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07297 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:30:11 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:29:26 -0700 Received: from 129.93.17.180 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:29:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.17.180] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] next worlds Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:29:26 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2000 15:29:26.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[31B7FD40:01C03DCF] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up fellow Hackinsackers? What's the scoop (If there is one) for where next year's worlds is going to be held? Any ideas at all? Oh yeah, another thing that's kind of off the subject, I was wondering if there are any jugglers out there who are trying to work with ball juggling and footbag juggling at the same time (I know Pete was messing around with that, so if you're out there Pete, I gots to get the 411 on this topic). Three balls and 1 footbag are like a walk in the park, but adding that second footbag is like (insert something really difficult, I'm too tired to think of an analogy). So if anyone has any suggestions send them my way please. Kamakenzie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Oct 25 13:15:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06192 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:15:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21207 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:15:48 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G2Y00O01J9RFJ@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:15:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Texas floorspace? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. I've decided to make the long and weary drive to Austin for the Texas State event, but I don't have a place to stay when I get there. I'd appreciate it if anybody had room for me and maybe one more. Thanks, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 27 10:24:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11511 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:24:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from LLIC.Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06890 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:38:08 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f15.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.15]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28449 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:36:41 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:35:56 -0700 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:35:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] knee sets, tv coverage. Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:35:56 NZDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2000 00:35:56.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[B42DF430:01C03EE4] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear all, I've recently been playing around with knee set moves, mainly the 'gammy leg' move (which catapults the footbag into the air). Mainly following it with a ducking butterfly, should the 'gammy' leg constitute an extra add?? Also another move i've been playing around with, is a knee set mirage returning into a knee stall ie. knee > op in (dex) > op knee( stall). Should this be worth more than 2adds? I actually find a pogo set blur easier. On another note, a bit of a minor really, the other day i happened to flick the tv on, and there on espn was something i just couldn't believe.It was the craziest game i've ever seen, the Indian national champs for some sought of bizarre scrag game, I just couldn't understand it.There are heaps of other anonymous sports that get coverage too, for example; dog races, frisby( ultimate), aerobics, stongest man competitions( i mean how many people are into that ?) Hawain adventure, the list goes on........ Why wasn't the world footbag champs covered?. Is it player numbers that get a sport coverage? Surely not after seeing the wood chopping finals of the world a couple of months ago. Jono (the bamboozilor) Heyes Nz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 27 10:29:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11528 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:29:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f274.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.52]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29279 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:01:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:00:54 -0700 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:00:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: jlopes69@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Worlds 2000 Video's Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:00:53 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2000 01:00:54.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[311EA2C0:01C03EE8] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Jeff Lopes urged those who took video at Worlds 2000 to try and get their footage onto dot org and wrote: > >Common guys, I know you can do it! > I just have to say that the people who sacrifice their playing time at worlds to film, and then go through the effort to edit their footage, and then post it on the internet are definitely not common. Not enough props go to the promoters of this sport like the guys who run the websites, or the discussion lists, or who promote tournaments, or do demos. If only they were more common. CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 27 10:30:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11547 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:30:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [216.86.64.33]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29739 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:13:20 -0700 Received: from scratchyball.nodomain (matt@usr03-090.provide.net [216.86.66.90]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA08681 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:13:03 -0400 (EDT) From: matt craig To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] next worlds Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:03:39 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0010252108260E.10660@scratchyball.nodomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Brian Mckenzie expressed: > you're out there Pete, I gots to get the 411 on this topic). Three balls and > 1 footbag are like a walk in the park, but adding that second footbag is So how does three balls and a bag work? Are you actually combining foot stalls with hand catches, sort of like juggling four balls or are you just stalling the bag periodically while you really juggle three balls? > like (insert something really difficult... 1) picking music for your routine that pleases everyone. 2) hitting two seven add moves in a row 3) getting a date with Salma Hayek matt -- MichiganFootbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 27 10:33:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11567 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:33:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailgate.novagate.net (mailgate.novagate.net [205.138.138.22]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31383 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:03:01 -0700 Received: from novagate.net (001gra185.chartermi.net [24.247.1.185]) by mailgate.novagate.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14902; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:02:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from masuga@novagate.net) Message-ID: <39F792CB.A9CEF118@novagate.net> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:11:23 -0400 From: ryan masuga Reply-To: masuga@novagate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Mckenzie CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] juggling (was: next worlds) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org All I know about the uber-juggling is that at Funtastik this year Peter Irish was jugging three balls AND THREE footbags. At the SAME TIME. I was standing behind Kenny Shults while this madness was going on and even he said something very much like, "That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen." I can't say I have any suggestions, but I'm sure someone has that on tape. Good luck. ryan masuga MaHUGEa 3cFD, mi Brian Mckenzie wrote: > I was wondering if there are any > jugglers out there who are trying to work with ball juggling and footbag > juggling at the same time (I know Pete was messing around with that, so if > you're out there Pete, I gots to get the 411 on this topic). Three balls and > 1 footbag are like a walk in the park, but adding that second footbag is > like (insert something really difficult, I'm too tired to think of an > analogy). So if anyone has any suggestions send them my way please. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 27 10:34:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11578 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:34:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Rob Fuller Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h005.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.194]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA02179 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:11:04 -0700 Received: (cpmta 14080 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2000 21:10:14 -0700 Date: 25 Oct 2000 21:10:14 -0700 Message-ID: <20001026041014.14079.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 26 Oct 2000 04:10:14 GMT Received: from [207.148.136.60] by mail.canada.com with HTTP; 25 Oct 2000 21:10:14 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.8.0.10 Subject: [freestyle] Pixie Ducks Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello there to the footbag world. I just hit a new move and I was wonderin gwho else has hit it and what the name is. I've actually hit many of this move type. Here are 3 of the moves in jobs notation (sorry bout my jobs...it's a little off). Pixie Ducking Mirage (ducking smear) toe>same in>duck>op in>op toe Pixie Ducking Drifter (or mabey Dada,my friend couldn't tell if I dexed it twice or once) toe>same in>duck>op in>same clip but it may have been toe>same in>duck>op in>op out>op clip Fairy Ducking Mirage (ducking fear) Ducking Pixie Master (probably not but....) Rob Fuller From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 27 10:41:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11592 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:41:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02967 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:32:11 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (tnt3-84-169.cac.psu.edu [128.118.84.169]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA176038 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:31:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001026212244.00aa6d20@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:31:16 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Move Name and some boasting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Me again, shred community (cripes, 2 posts in one day? what is this kid on about?), I just wanted to attach a name to a stylish move that I hit today, under the presumption that no one else has claim to it. I was having a fairly on session this evening, but I started to get tired. At that point I began goofing around with hooping (I saw Scott D. do a bunch of it at Midwest Regionals, and I managed to hit hooping clippers and paradox mirages a week later). Well I hit (pardon the jobs. . .I don't know if there is a hooping notation) clip > up hoop > duck [bod] > down hoop > op clip [xbd] [del] where up (down) hoop stand for a hooping motion with the arms where the bag passes up through the arms (down through the arms). So after I hit this, I decided it should be appropriately named hoop-warrior. Any objections? Oh yeah, and since I never get to brag about P.S.T., Scott Bevier hit amadeus, vortex, haze, and both sides paradox torque this last weekend in Maryland, and today I saw him hit both sides symp. toe blur. I helped Kaiser modify his millenium lavers a little (took out all the padding and the mesh crap), and he immediately started hitting some of the smoothest pixie sets that I've seen come out of him. And today I busted both sides magellan in a run, and both sides parkwalk, on with and one without seal. That's the State College news, for ya. Peace out, and happy shredding. Alex Integer of P.S.T. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 27 10:44:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11630 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:44:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from renown.cnchost.com (renown.concentric.net [207.155.248.7]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04689 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:26:01 -0700 Received: from quintus.richandsharon.org (quintus.rich-and-sharon.org [208.176.194.190]) by renown.cnchost.com id WAA25446; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:25:34 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.10] Message-ID: <003801c03fbd$37371720$bec2b0d0@richandsharon.org> Reply-To: "Eric Reile" From: "Eric Reile" To: Subject: [freestyle] missionary work Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:25:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup Shredders, This is my first real post to the list, so bear with me :-). I think I have a really good idea to further spreading footbag to all the unfortunates who haven't yet been introduced to the sport. I'm sure you have all heard of Napster, the mp3 sharing program. Well, there are others out there a lot like it that deal in files other than mp3s, such as videos and images. The one I have in mind is called Scour Exchange, which is a free program you can download online that deals in sharing all three types of media. Anyway, my idea was to put shred vids in the shared directory so all the users on scour (which ranges from 100,000 to 200,000 users) can download and view them. Also, you could give them give them names with a lot of buzz words and the name of the site like "footbag, sick ass crazy run, www.footbag.org" I've been doing it for a couple nights now and have got like 15 downloads so far, I know it's not much but it grows exponentially. Ok, lemme know what you guys think. Later. Eric Reile, CIC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 27 10:45:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11647 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:45:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08482 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:22:03 -0700 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:20:09 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:15:22 -0700 Message-ID: <01C03F91.D9E2C860.ewulff@jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] juggling... hands & feet... Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:15:21 -0700 Organization: JSI SHIPPING X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brian McK said... >I was wondering if there are any >jugglers out there who are trying to work with ball juggling and footbag >juggling at the same time (I know Pete was messing around with that, so if >you're out there Pete, I gots to get the 411 on this topic). Three balls and >1 footbag are like a walk in the park, but adding that second footbag is >like second footbag?~... shit! Pete finished his dropless finals winning routine at Funtastik while juggling 3 balls with his hands and 3 bags with his feet... yes... at the same time & walking out of the little arena thing while doing it. Man... it was SWEET! Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 27 11:04:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11696 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:04:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.18]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27257 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:53:14 -0700 Received: from default - 63.11.186.221 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:52:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c0403f$10939a80$ddba0b3f@default> From: "Tina Lewis" To: "Eric Wulff" , "'freestyle'" References: <01C03F91.D9E2C860.ewulff@jsishipping.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] juggling... hands & feet... Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:55:14 -0500 Organization: Microsoft Corporation X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wow! That's worth walking off a net court to see!!! Tina. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 27 21:37:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12754 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:37:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from vcn.bc.ca (vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29730 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:25:39 -0700 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA09693 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:25:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Adrian Verhoef To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Atomic spin set Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I've been skoolin atomic spinning reverse swirl and atomic spinning mirage. I'm just curious if anybody else is working on stuff similar to this. The atomic spinning rev swirl is soooo much fun! Jobs Notation: toe set>op out in>spin away>same rev swirl byebye, Adrian Verhoef -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 27 21:38:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12765 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:38:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f271.hotmail.com [216.32.180.195]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31521 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:18:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:17:56 -0700 Received: from 165.154.200.24 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:17:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.154.200.24] Reply-To: TheMouse@footbag.org From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] juggling... hands & feet... Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:17:55 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2000 20:17:56.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE121DF0:01C04052] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Eric Wulff wrote in: >second footbag?~... shit! Pete finished his dropless finals winning >routine at Funtastik while juggling 3 balls with his hands and 3 bags with >his feet... yes... at the same time & walking out of the little arena >thing while doing it. Man... it was SWEET! Damn, that sounds sweet. Props go to Pete on that. Anyone at Funtastik's get this on tape? If so, please reply to me personally. I'd love to stick that in a video. Thanks, Mickey From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Oct 27 21:42:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12781 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:42:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f122.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.122]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03417 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:41:34 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:40:48 -0700 Received: from 63.16.64.36 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:40:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.16.64.36] From: "Glenn Gentzke" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Worlds 2000 Video's Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:40:48 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2000 22:40:48.0787 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3D26E30:01C04066] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ken wrote: >Hey stylers, Jeff Lopes urged those who took video at Worlds 2000 to try >and get their footage onto dot org and wrote: >>Common guys, I know you can do it! > > >I just have to say that the people who sacrifice their playing time at >worlds to film, and then go through the effort to edit their footage, and >then post it on the internet are definitely not common. Not enough props go >to the promoters of this sport like the guys who run the websites, or the >discussion lists, or who promote tournaments, or do demos. If only they >were more common. CF I think Jeff might have meant "come on guys", but it's just a guess BoZ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Oct 28 01:32:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13035 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:32:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2905.mail.yahoo.com (web2905.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.48]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03835 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:57:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 22717 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2000 22:57:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20001027225739.22716.qmail@web2905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.96.111.200] by web2905.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:57:39 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:57:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Hans Freller Subject: [freestyle] New Move? To: Ryan Mulroney , Questions , Richard Reese MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hit my first ever 5add move the other day Twice!! I was wondering if it had a name it was a pixie ducking butterfly so if anyone has hit this move or knows the name please let me know. But if no ones has a name for it I thought that Phoenix had a nice sound to it. Later Hanz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 29 12:51:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16198 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:51:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web9007.mail.yahoo.com (web9007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.169]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA21209 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:15:23 -0700 Message-ID: <20001028091437.34562.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.233.72.2] by web9007.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:14:37 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:14:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Wilson Subject: [freestyle] Doubles? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm intersted in getting some more info about doubles. I would really like to check out some video or something. Does anyone know where I can go to find anything about it? Thanks, Mike ===== Ft. Worth Hackaholics Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 29 12:54:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16218 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:54:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25494 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:36:42 -0700 Received: from billy ([63.199.201.131]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G35009PACLN84@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:35:30 -0700 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Name and some boasting To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <002901c040f4$b4c0b560$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001026212244.00aa6d20@email.psu.edu> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Alexander Faber" > > clip > up hoop > duck [bod] > down hoop > op clip [xbd] [del] > where up (down) hoop stand for a hooping motion with the arms where the > bag passes up through the arms (down through the arms). > > So after I hit this, I decided it should be appropriately named > hoop-warrior. Any objections? First of all, not that many people hoop so there isn't notation for it. Second, if you want to ask a specific hooping question ask Scott Davidson since it is his brainchild. Third, even if we were going to name the hooping moves, hoop-warrior... hehe... would be saved for something amazing like blurry upwards hooping ducking hooping butterfly heheheh... have fun with that one Scott. Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 29 12:56:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16230 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:56:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1705.mail.yahoo.com (web1705.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.216]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA31275 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:05:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 27729 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2000 20:05:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20001028200515.27728.qmail@web1705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.254.191.167] by web1705.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:05:15 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:05:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Shaun Marques Subject: [freestyle] Some moves for thought To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Recently I've been trying to hit a Blender/Dyno.. Anybody have any advice for me, because I can get the whirl, but I can't seem to spot the bag for the osis. And since I'm talking about these two nifty 4's, anyone ever hit Nuclear Blender and/or Nuclear Dyno? Job's: clip> same out [pdx] [dex]> op in [dex](or out, depending on if you plan to do a blender or dyno) > back spin [bod]> same clip [xbd] [del] Call me dumb, but I count 6. It seems pretty do-able, so, I'll leave the pro's and afficionados to it. :) Piece, Shaun M. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 29 12:57:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16235 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:57:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01727 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:03:54 -0700 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.228.240.148]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001028220302.DYWC18376.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca> for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:03:02 -0400 Message-ID: <39FB4D4E.FF04472C@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:03:59 -0400 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= Duchesne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Name and some boasting References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001026212244.00aa6d20@email.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, hence a lot of people love to hear about boasting, I just wanted to say that Yacine hit paradox backside symposium atom smasher. wow! That was fun, lots of fun. Go Penn State Trio Go Montreal Go East Coast, Sébastien Duchesne. Alexander Faber wrote: > Me again, shred community (cripes, 2 posts in one day? what is this kid on > about?), > > I just wanted to attach a name to a stylish move that I hit today, under > the presumption that no one else has claim to it. I was having a fairly on > session this evening, but I started to get tired. At that point I began > goofing around with hooping (I saw Scott D. do a bunch of it at Midwest > Regionals, and I managed to hit hooping clippers and paradox mirages a week > later). Well I hit (pardon the jobs. . .I don't know if there is a hooping > notation) > > clip > up hoop > duck [bod] > down hoop > op clip [xbd] [del] > > where up (down) hoop stand for a hooping motion with the arms where the bag > passes up through the arms (down through the arms). > > So after I hit this, I decided it should be appropriately named > hoop-warrior. Any objections? > > Oh yeah, and since I never get to brag about P.S.T., Scott Bevier hit > amadeus, vortex, haze, and both sides paradox torque this last weekend in > Maryland, and today I saw him hit both sides symp. toe blur. I helped > Kaiser modify his millenium lavers a little (took out all the padding and > the mesh crap), and he immediately started hitting some of the smoothest > pixie sets that I've seen come out of him. And today I busted both sides > magellan in a run, and both sides parkwalk, on with and one without > seal. That's the State College news, for ya. Peace out, and happy shredding. > > Alex > Integer of P.S.T. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 29 13:10:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16265 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:10:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25271 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 08:43:11 -0800 Received: from [144.92.184.189] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id KAA199308 (8.9.1/50); Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:42:52 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20001029094255.00f58c80@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 09:42:55 -0600 To: Rob Fuller , freestyle@footbag.org From: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Ducks In-Reply-To: <20001026041014.14079.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 09:10 PM 10/25/00 -0700, Rob Fuller wrote: >Hello there to the footbag world. I just hit a new move and I was >wonderin gwho else has >hit it and what the name is. > >but it may have been >toe>same in>duck>op in>op out>op clip > >Fairy Ducking Mirage (ducking fear) > Hey Rob, I have hit this puppy too. As I recall, the name "Guillotine" was floating around for a ducking fear. I believe Lynton Stephens coined it. Anyway, it's got my vote. Matt Kain - Madison Footbag From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 29 23:33:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17295 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:33:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law-f31.hotmail.com [209.185.131.94]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06245 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:08:41 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 18:07:55 -0800 Received: from 203.23.72.2 by lw1fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 02:07:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.23.72.2] From: "Brendan Erskine" To: mklewand@students.wisc.edu, footbagger@canada.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Ducks Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 02:07:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2000 02:07:55.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[37556170:01C04216] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I have hit this puppy too. As I recall, the name "Guillotine" was floating >around for a ducking fear. I believe Lynton Stephens coined it. Anyway, >it's got my vote. >Matt Kain - Madison Footbag I pretty sure your right on the naming of guillotine. I've also seen him hit; pixie and fairy ducking symposium mirages, pixie ducking double leg over. I'm sorry I don't know the names. I can remember the names neutron smasher and skull smasher popping up. I will endeavor to get him to check him emails (which he does infrequently) and send a reply. Brendan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 29 23:35:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17309 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:35:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f214.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.214]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10129 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:36:08 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:35:21 -0800 Received: from 205.188.197.32 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:35:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.197.32] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] A rainy day comes So Cal's way Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:35:21 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2000 04:35:21.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0765710:01C0422A] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm just reminiscing on a session the OOPS! freestyle crew had this past weekend... I know all you east coasters think we got it made with our vacationland, hawaiian tropic weather, but a pretty vicious storm hit this weekend and our plans were almost foiled... but what mother nature wasn't expecting was four guys with their shirts off shredding furiously inside So Cal's famed parking structure in Hermosa Beach...aka: "the dungeon"... while temperatures reached near freezing for the southland kickers (actually the low was 61 degrees, but hey we're from L.A., its like a traumatic situation)we pressed on...Big Add Chad Devlahovich aka 'big wood', Sam "I AM" Colclough, myself and Christopher Pinkus (a new addition to our crew) tried to make the best of the first rainy day session had in awhile... we managed to scrape together some decent runs including chad's infamous tripless and often times both-sided carnage which included some of his gyro blurry sickness now dubbed the 'surging' set, Colclough and Chris going off hitting everything from hop-over swirls to symp. dlo's midstring... and myself managing to throw paste>scrambled eggbeater into the mix... who said 3's weren't fun... just wanna let you all know L.A. is still alive and kicking... San Diego is off the hook as usual and God knows what sickness and is welling up in Bay Area and surrounding areas. BTW: anyone who likes footbag freestyle should come down for Thanksgiving, some kind of Turkey Jam is going down and it should be fun. THANKSGIVING-L.A.-FOOTBAG why not?! :) ok then later... ~Bryan Fournier OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach, CA. -a special shout out goes to Mr. Mike Jauss who's on sebatical right now due to injuries, Mike you rip... we miss you man. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 29 23:37:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17321 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:37:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31863 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:33:03 -0700 Received: from integer.psu.edu (tnt1-145-13.cac.psu.edu [128.118.145.13]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA116938 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:32:46 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001027163156.00ae15b0@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:32:02 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Business Cards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Howdy all, There's always somebody posting something on here about business cards, and I think this will make Ryan Masuga happy. I've found a website that has some very slick designs for full color business cards. . .you can put tons of information on them. . .your own logo of choice. . .and there's a fairly large selection of styles to work with (including backgrounds, etc.). I hope this makes some of the more hardcore footbag promoters happy. ================================================================ ** FREE $85 Gift ** ================================================================ VistaPrint is giving away a Free Set of 250 Personalized Full-Color Business Cards. This is an $85 value, free! Pay only a small shipping charge Click below to design your free business cards right now: http://www.colonize.com/c.php3?i=vp,1026,u1&e=6376692 250 free business cards ================================================================ Shred on, ya'll Alex Integer of P.S.T. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Oct 29 23:54:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17344 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:54:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c1mailgw06.prontomail.com ([216.163.184.10]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06456 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 17:56:47 -0700 Received: from c1web102 (216.163.184.10) by c1mailgw06.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.1.050) id 39F77DAA00048EC5 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 17:55:59 -0700 X-Version: homestead 6.2.3.2361.0 From: "Frank Montanaro" Message-Id: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:58:30 -0500 X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Footbag Fever Demo X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List! Remember the game I'm making, well I would like to know what the footbag community thinks of it(it aint no Plastation 2 game:- D )and send in your tips. here's the link to download it if you want> http://brownsvillefootbag.homestead.com/files/FootbagFever_Demo.ZIP . I hope you enjoy it, it's only 50% done. The other 50% is moves and music. Thanks, Frank [ Moderator's note: as I don't run Windows I haven't had a chance to look at the game. Please be aware that it's generally an extremely bad idea to run programs from untrusted sources. If you aren't running anti-virus software with the latest virus definitions installed then I would not recommend downloading and running the demo. Also be aware that anti-virus software doesn't stop all malicious software from doing damage. A .exe manually invoked by the user that does the equivalent of "format c:" would most likely not be caught by anti-virus software, AFAIK. Sorry to put a damper on your game Frank, but people have to know this. If your game is not graphics or cpu intensive then perhaps you should port it to Java and turn it into an applet (which could then run in a secure environment). -Brian ] Check out Born2Hack's site http://go.to/born2hack |-|/-\[|<`|' $/-\[|< From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 30 10:10:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18359 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:10:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA21092 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:36:30 -0800 Received: (qmail 20813 invoked by uid 0); 30 Oct 2000 14:35:41 -0000 Received: from blndi6-212-144-168-006.arcor-ip.net (HELO quarktasche) (212.144.168.6) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 30 Oct 2000 14:35:41 -0000 Message-ID: <003901c0427e$84e6bac0$06a890d4@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20001026212244.00aa6d20@email.psu.edu> <39FB4D4E.FF04472C@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Name and some boasting Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:34:30 +0100 Organization: Schmidt Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Good morning stylers, so you are talking about "hooping"..... Could anybody please explain it a little bit more exactly than it is below? Scott?? have a nice autumn, Matthias............. Alexander Faber wrote: > > Me again, shred community (cripes, 2 posts in one day? what is this kid on > > about?), > > > > I just wanted to attach a name to a stylish move that I hit today, under > > the presumption that no one else has claim to it. I was having a fairly > > on session this evening, but I started to get tired. At that point I > > began goofing around with hooping (I saw Scott D. do a bunch of it at > > Midwest Regionals, and I managed to hit hooping clippers and paradox > > mirages a week later). Well I hit (pardon the jobs. . .I don't know if > > there is a hooping notation) > > > > clip > up hoop > duck [bod] > down hoop > op clip [xbd] [del] > > > > where up (down) hoop stand for a hooping motion with the arms where the > > bag passes up through the arms (down through the arms). > > > > So after I hit this, I decided it should be appropriately named > > hoop-warrior. Any objections? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 30 10:11:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18369 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:11:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24165; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:39:03 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id z.47.2be93c0 (3976); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:38:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47.2be93c0.272efe0d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:38:37 EST Subject: [freestyle] Historical Clarification was (Move Name and some boasting) To: sam@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just a clarification. As I'm sure Scott will tell you as well, hooping goes back a lot farther than Scott. Gary Lautt, if not the orginal, was certainly the first master hooper. I don't know if this made it into the trivia contest or not but Gary was also the player that beat me out for a spot in the freestyle finals the last time (and only time) I failed to make the finals in any freestyle event. And he beat me without ever doing a stall. Imagine that. This event was held in Eugene in the late 80's and was the first time that the Add system was ever used in competition. Kenny Shults From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 30 10:12:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18382 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:12:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-r10.mail.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24218 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:41:17 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id 1.82.2228bf2 (3976); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:40:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <82.2228bf2.272efe74@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:40:20 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Name and some boasting To: sg.duchesne@sympatico.ca, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Where's the paradox in a paradox backside symposium atom smasher. Is this still set from the toe or is this with a nuclear set which would be paradox? Thanks, Kenny Shults From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 30 14:07:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18747 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:07:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.org (coins0.coin.org [198.209.253.1]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31761 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:16:28 -0800 Received: from sloppo.coin.org (mu-177049.dhcp.missouri.edu [128.206.177.49]) by coins0.coin.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9ULG6F19546; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:16:06 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001030151007.009e22d0@pop.coin.org> X-Sender: jriely@pop.coin.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:14:48 -0600 To: Kenny Shults , sg.duchesne@sympatico.ca, freestyle@footbag.org From: Jeremiah Riely Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Name and some boasting In-Reply-To: <82.2228bf2.272efe74@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:40 AM 10/30/00 -0500, Kenny Shults wrote: >Where's the paradox in a paradox backside symposium atom smasher. Is this >still set from the toe or is this with a nuclear set which would be paradox? The first dex would be paradox. It must be set from cross body. So its a nuclear symposium mirage. clip > same out > (no plant while) op in > op toe. I hope that clears it up for you :-). Jeremiah From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 30 22:22:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19645 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:22:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mx6.port.ru (mx6.port.ru [194.67.23.42]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07665 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:11:07 -0700 Received: from f3.int ([10.0.0.50] helo=f3.mail.ru) by mx6.port.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #30) id 13pKWI-0002vp-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 05:10:50 +0400 Received: from mail by f3.mail.ru with local (Exim 3.14 #30) id 13pKW3-000JPM-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 05:10:35 +0400 Received: from [194.215.12.15] by win.mail.port.ru with HTTP; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 01:10:35 +0000 (GMT) From: "Artem Burmakin" <7mail@mail.ru> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New trick or not? Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [194.215.12.15] Reply-To: "×ÁÓÑ ðÕÐËÉÎ" <7mail@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 05:10:35 +0400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just hited such 2 tricks: Help me if do they any names!! 1)You begin with inside delay, do a move like Around the world but( onward and backwards) and finish with inside delay 2))You begin with outside delay, do a move like Around the world but( onward and backwards) and finish with outside delay Hello from Russia Artem Burmakin Neon Sox Allianse(NSA) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 30 22:25:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19658 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:25:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Brian Parsons Received: from imo-r11.mail.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09014 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:50:33 -0800 Received: from TrollJr22@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id z.e3.bacc5fd (9613) for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:49:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:49:11 EST Subject: [freestyle] blurry dyno To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up? I have a few questions about blurry dyno: -Does it have a name? -How many adds is it worth? -Would its adds be affected by the paradox reverse whirl vote? (same motion on the second dex) Thank you, Brian Parsons From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 30 22:28:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19669 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:28:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f174.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.174]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12931 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:16:19 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:15:32 -0800 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 04:15:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: mklewand@students.wisc.edu, footbagger@canada.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Ducks Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:15:32 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2000 04:15:32.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[360A4C50:01C042F1] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all For all you West Coasters calling 61 degrees freezing, we're getting windchills of 21 degrees here in new england. there was some discussion about > > > >Fairy Ducking Mirage (ducking fear) And Matt Kain Lewandowski wrote: > >I have hit this puppy too. As I recall, the name "Guillotine" was floating >around for a ducking fear. I know Yacine has hit this too. I think Lynton proposed "guillotine" as the name for it, but Eli wanted to call ducking blurry drifter the same thing. Still, ducking blurry drifter hasn't been hit to my knowledge. Not to be excessively hypocritical here, but I thought a funny name for "ducking fear" would be "cower," because to cower is to duck in fear. : D Too bad my fairy set blows. Shred on and have fun. CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 30 22:30:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19694 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:30:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f112.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.112]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11527 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:18:43 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:17:56 -0800 Received: from 12.73.153.166 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:17:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.73.153.166] From: "jim penske" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] new move Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:17:56 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2000 03:17:56.0932 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A354040:01C042E9] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey I thought of a new move this weekend. It's a pixie dragonfly except when you go to do the dragonfly you circle the bag twice instead of once. Daryl was hittin this all over the place. I want to name it screwdriver. What do you think of this name Daryl? Is this name used already?? thanks, Jim Penske (revolutionist) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 30 22:37:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19707 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:37:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-r09.mail.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15654 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:27:26 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id z.3e.2d49e29 (15702) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:26:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from web50.aolmail.aol.com (web50.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.11]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:26:34 1900 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:26:34 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] New trick or not? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <3e.2d49e29.272fc01b@aol.com> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Artem, Congratulations :) New stuff is always fun. The first trick you hit is called "guay", and I don't think the second one is named. I hit it about 2 years ago when i was just getting into freestyle, and I think I called it "underworld", but frankly, I don't think such a simple variation of Around the World such as the one you're describing deserves it's own real name. Matt Cross In a message dated Tue, 31 Oct 2000 1:22:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Artem Burmakin" <7mail@mail.ru> writes: << I just hited such 2 tricks: Help me if do they any names!! 1)You begin with inside delay, do a move like Around the world but( onward and backwards) and finish with inside delay 2))You begin with outside delay, do a move like Around the world but( onward and backwards) and finish with outside delay Hello from Russia Artem Burmakin Neon Sox Allianse(NSA) >> From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 30 22:53:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19743 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:53:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15871 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:42:43 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001031064221.SKUZ28694.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:42:21 -0800 Message-ID: <39FE6BF6.F96D51CF@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:51:34 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] blurry dyno References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brian Parsons wrote: > > Whats up? I have a few questions about blurry dyno: > > -Does it have a name? Not that I know of... Anyone? Damon Matthews hits this move in a run on http://dallasfootbag.org/multimedia/Other_Events/99worlds-a/DamonMatthews.html so he might have a name for it. > -How many adds is it worth? 5 (maybe 6) - read on. > -Would its adds be affected by the paradox reverse whirl vote? (same motion > on the second dex) I agree that dyno and reverse whirl are the same motion. With that said, you are right. If reverse whirl cannot be paradox, then dyno cannot be paradox. And, since blurry requires paradox, there is no such move as a "blurry" dyno. It is a "stepping opposite side dyno". (assuming that the reverse whirl dex doesn't get paradox) By the way... the vote for giving reverse whirl the paradox ADD is still up. If you have an opinion on this, take the poll. It just takes two clicks of the mouse. http://www.footbag.org/poll/conduct/971804588 Thanks to those who have taken the poll. So far, it seems that reverse whirl IS unique from a butterfly, but it CANNOT be paradox. I'll leave the poll up for a while longer before I update the move list. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Oct 30 23:07:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19777 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:07:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10830 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:38:38 -0800 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:37:14 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:32:22 -0800 Message-ID: <01C0429F.BE3743A0.ewulff@jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Name and some boasting Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:32:21 -0800 Organization: JSI SHIPPING X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alexander Faber asked... >So after I hit this, I decided it should be appropriately named >hoop-warrior. Any objections? Yes... Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 31 10:04:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20976 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:04:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f108.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.108]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31102 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:23:24 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:22:37 -0800 Received: from 199.126.169.132 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:22:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.126.169.132] Reply-To: gjr@footbag.org From: "Greg Raymond" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] juggling... hands & feet... Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:22:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2000 15:22:37.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[66CEC1B0:01C0434E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Is there any online footage of Peter Irish's juggling/shred routine at Funtastik? It sounds incredible. Greg Raymond From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 31 10:03:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20971 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:03:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c017.sfo.cp.net (c017-h015.c017.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.229]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA24192 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:30:56 -0800 Received: (cpmta 5024 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2000 03:30:28 -0800 Received: from port-1-76-56k.beckley.zoomnet.net (HELO alaska) (208.29.206.91) by smtp.openball.com (209.228.12.229) with SMTP; 31 Oct 2000 03:30:28 -0800 X-Sent: 31 Oct 2000 11:30:28 GMT Message-ID: <008b01c0432d$fd742310$5bce1dd0@alaska> From: "Vern DeHaven" To: "=?koi8-r?B?18HT0SDw1dDLyc4=?=" <7mail@mail.ru>, References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] New trick or not? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 06:30:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey ×ÁÓÑ, They're still around the worlds. A "guay" starts from toe and ends on an inside delay. Try inside to outside. It looks pretty funny (you have to jump sideways with a hip pivot to hit it), and it's fun. Another reason why the Internet is the greatest human invention... > Hello from Russia Russians shred. Hell yeah. Peace, Vern From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 31 18:32:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22111 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:32:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-r17.mail.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04470; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:20:53 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id z.f3.415bfa7 (3978); Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:19:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:19:45 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] juggling... hands & feet... To: gjr@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In my opinion, Pete's 3x3 juggling is by far the most unbelievable trick ever done in footbag. No single trick has ever had a greater gap over the rest of the freestyle world. By that I mean that to learn this trick would take more effort than learning any other trick being done. Some of Sunil's stuff has huge gap too but what Pete is doing with this juggling stuff is absolutely gruesome. I invented two bag juggling and I've worked on 3 to the point of doing about 15 throws (which took a lot of work). I think I'm probably as close as anyone to doing this trick and when I see Pete do it I know I would be looking at an absolutely enormous amount of work to learn that trick. My hat is off to you Mr. Irish and congratulations again on your Funtastik routine. To beat Ryan these days requires something awesome and you delivered in force. Kenny Shults From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 31 18:33:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22130 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:33:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14557 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:47:42 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G3B01901M702G@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:47:24 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:47:24 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Name and some boasting In-reply-to: <39FB4D4E.FF04472C@sympatico.ca> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= Duchesne Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by list.footbag.org id QAA21808 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, [iso-8859-1] Sébastien Duchesne wrote: > Yacine hit paradox backside symposium atom smasher. wow! > That was fun, lots of fun. Sweet! I hit that a while back. It's such an awesome move to have in ones arsenal. I never skooled it enough to make it a regular for me though. later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 31 18:33:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22135 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:33:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14687 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:52:37 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G3B01901MF8A2@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:52:20 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:52:20 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] That Reverse whirl/pdx vote thingy To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just went and cast my vote and I'm happy to report that the pdx is losing. Though only 51 people have voted. That's a pithy amount of votes for the amount of people who are on this list. Go vote. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 31 18:32:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22117 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:32:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13951 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:28:23 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G3B01801LATD9@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:28:05 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:28:05 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Ducks In-reply-to: <20001026041014.14079.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> To: Rob Fuller Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Rob Fuller wrote: > Pixie Ducking Mirage (ducking smear) > toe>same in>duck>op in>op toe Sweet, I hit this too, but I don't know the name. I can't hit Pixie ducking drifter though. I've also hit pixie ducking butterfly. They're all cool moves. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 31 18:34:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22140 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:34:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f107.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.107]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16726 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:29:24 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:28:31 -0800 Received: from 134.121.147.74 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 02:28:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [134.121.147.74] From: "Matt Baker" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] thanksgiving jam Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:28:31 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2000 02:28:31.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D1AB7B0:01C043AB] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org what up freestylers, I am just writing to encourage all the freestylers in the northwest to come to the jam in seattle thanksgiving weekend. It is going to rock!! So if you are in the northwest or anywhere near like idaho show up seattle is where it is at. Peace matt p.s. What is a surging set??? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Oct 31 18:33:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22125 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:33:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14457 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:43:58 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G3B01801M0SYF@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:43:40 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:43:40 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] blurry dyno In-reply-to: To: Brian Parsons Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Brian Parsons wrote: > Whats up? I have a few questions about blurry dyno: As far as I know there is no such thing as blurry dyno. Blurry would imply pdx and it's not. It's a stepping op dyno. > -Does it have a name? Don't know. > -How many adds is it worth? Stepping 1 + Dyno 4 = 5 > -Would its adds be affected by the paradox reverse whirl vote? (same motion > on the second dex) Let's just hope that vote goes down the toilet. Later, Brad