From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 1 23:44:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25649 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:44:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f89.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.89]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07546 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:08:50 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:08:02 -0800 Received: from 149.225.20.192 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:08:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [149.225.20.192] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: codeine_45x@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:08:02 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2000 20:08:02.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[7098BBA0:01C0443F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ahren, havent you hit nuclear duckin blender ? you tried it at worlds didnt you fabian Shaun Marques asked: >anyone ever hit Nuclear Blender and/or Nuclear Dyno? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 1 23:45:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25658 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:45:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f112.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.112]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15448 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:14:44 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:14:19 -0800 Received: from 63.212.132.139 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 00:14:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.212.132.139] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, footbagger@canada.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Ducks Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:14:19 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 00:14:19.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[D80F1F00:01C04461] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Kaplan wrote: >On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Rob Fuller wrote: > > Pixie Ducking Mirage (ducking smear) > > toe>same in>duck>op in>op toe > > Sweet, I hit this too, but I don't know the name. I can't hit Pixie >ducking drifter though. I've also hit pixie ducking butterfly. > They're all cool moves. > > > Brad You sure hit a lot of moves Brad. Do you have a camcorder or something like that? I haven't even come close to half of these moves people say they are hitting... usually because these big moves are applicable to that person's style...if you're hitting alot of them that means you have the ability to mimic a lot of people's styles, in which case you should probly be giving BAP a run for there money... I hope to get shredded by you at the next tournament. l-l-l-l-ater. ~Bryan Fournier OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach, CA. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 1 23:45:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25663 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:45:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20315 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:49:09 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.202.87]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G3D002T1M14LD@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:39:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:39:54 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] size 13 milleniums To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <002001c04476$2ed7d3e0$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have a pair of size 13 milleniums. They are broken in but in good condition. If you use milleniums, you know how hard to find they are. If anyone is interested, e-mail me. Thanks. Remember, size 13!!! ps. anyone have any 12s or know where to buy them? thanks! - Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 1 23:46:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25668 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:46:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20310 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:49:09 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.202.87]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G3D00JGBLSRGJ@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:34:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:34:53 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] thanksgiving jam To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <001f01c04475$7bbb2aa0$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Matt Baker" > p.s. What is a surging set??? Surging set is a set invented by Big Add Chad. It is a gyro stepping set. Chad hits moves such as big walk (gyro ripwalk), surge (gyro blur), surreal (surging whirl), and many others that he probably wants to keep secret for a while. cough cough... 7s.. cough -Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 1 23:46:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25673 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:46:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25411 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:28:16 -0800 Received: from nilenet.com (slip158.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.181]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/09072000-01) with ESMTP id WAA16013 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:27:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A00FAE0.EBE2987@nilenet.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:25:52 -0700 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: [freestyle] 4X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All, I hit shooting double leg over last night. My mom didn't see it, but I'm as sure as I can be that it was clean ;-). I'm wondering if anyone else (besides Red) is exploring this realm. In particular, has anyone hit a 4-dex that isn't shooting (which I believe is a *relatively* easy way to start a 4-dex move). I havn't thought of a good name for it yet... I'm saving the name I thought of for when I hit my first non-shooting 4-dex: pixie parodon swirl... I guess I'd better go practice it. Genzu Blades PS. Just occurred to me that you could do this move (as I named it) two ways: 1) Shoot from left (or right) clip, then DLO in the opposite direction of the shooting set landing on right(or left) toe. 2) Shoot form left (or right) clip, then DLO in the same direction of the shooting set landing on left (or right) toe - sort of like a "double shooting" set... now there are some name possibilities there... I hit version 1. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 1 23:47:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25702 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:47:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28014 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:18:09 -0800 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:16:45 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:11:54 -0800 Message-ID: <01C04459.1FFE1FE0.ewulff@jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Cc: "'Kenny \"Enforcer\" Shults'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] juggling... hands & feet... Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:11:53 -0800 Organization: JSI SHIPPING X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Shultsy wrote... >In my opinion, Pete's 3x3 juggling is by far the most unbelievable >trick ever done in footbag. No single trick has ever had a greater gap >over the rest of the freestyle world. By that I mean that to learn >this trick would take more effort than learning any other trick being >done. Some of Sunil's stuff has huge gap too but what Pete is doing >with this juggling stuff is absolutely gruesome. Just so there's no confusion, I nearly fell over when I saw just a part of Pete doing this. However, in my opinion... With all do respect to "Sweet Feet Footbag Eater" Pete... & Shultsy. "By far the most unbelievable trick ever done in footbag"... ? Wow! I disagree with the extremity of that. A great display of incredible talent and discipline?... yes. Among the unreal?... definitely. The "ultimate something" is at best arguable. But Definitely Not "by far the most unbelievable trick ever in footbag". Juggling 3 in hand is a relatively simple task. Juggling 3 with feet is impressive although awkward looking. Put them both together and you've got something. Consider that once one can juggle 3 in hand and 2 on foot, putting them together is not a far reach. 3x3 is exponentially more difficult yes but not the "Ultimate ever". >My hat is off to you Mr. Irish and congratulations again on your Funtastik >routine. To beat Ryan these days requires something awesome and you >delivered in force. I 2nd that... Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 2 00:14:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25829 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:14:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28774 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:00:35 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001102080012.PTDI28694.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:00:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3A012109.8031B728@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:08:41 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Fournier CC: kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Ducks References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bryan Fournier wrote: > > You sure hit a lot of moves Brad. I hope to get shredded by you at the next > tournament. Hmmm... That next tournament is coming up in a little over a week. Brad will be showing me a thing or two down in Austin for Texas State. Ahhh... I can't wait. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 2 00:14:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25840 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:14:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28855 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:05:48 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001102080525.PUFN28694.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:05:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3A012242.44308059@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:13:54 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: Re: [freestyle] 4X References: <3A00FAE0.EBE2987@nilenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Daryl Genz wrote: > > In particular, has anyone hit a 4-dex that > isn't shooting If they haven't done it yet, those crazy New Zealanders have to be really close to a fusion swirl. I remember Las Vegas a while back where they were busting the HUGE atomic sets and paradon swirls all over the place. I figure it is just a matter of time before the move and the set merge into one big hella-move. So guys, has it been hit yet? Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 2 00:18:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25871 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:18:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f134.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.134]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28967 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:13:08 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:12:21 -0800 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:12:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: ash__18@hotmail.com, codeine_45x@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 03:12:20 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 08:12:21.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FB8D630:01C044A4] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Just want to say congrats to Darryl for hitting that double leg overing double leg over. The last night at worlds in a garage jam he was coming real close to it as well as pixie paradon swirl, and his shooting set is undeniably a clean 2 dexes. Fabian K asked: >ahren, havent you hit nuclear duckin blender ? >you tried it at worlds didnt you I don't think so...I have Ahren on tape barely missing atomic ducking pdx blender. Has anybody ducked a nuclear set? Seems barely possible. Speaking of blenders, I wonder if Chad's 7 was a surging food processor. Sounds like a garbage disposer. Also, what is the add breakdown of a x-body rake? Is there a dex add in there? Keep up the hein shred everybody. Ken From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:12:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29465 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:12:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f250.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.75]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00614; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 02:33:09 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 02:32:21 -0800 Received: from 149.225.148.182 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:32:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [149.225.148.182] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org, codeine_45x@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:32:21 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 10:32:21.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EA10670:01C044B8] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org sorry, my fault read atomic instead of nuclear can an atomic set be pdx though ? fabian KeN Somolinos wrote: >I don't think so...I have Ahren on tape barely missing atomic ducking pdx >blender. Has anybody ducked a nuclear set? Seems barely possible. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:13:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29470 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:13:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-r05.mail.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03165 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:40:16 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id n.86.251b898 (4206); Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:39:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <86.251b898.2732c881@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:39:13 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] juggling... hands & feet... To: ewulff@jsishipping.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Like I said, this is only my opinion, which is based purely on my limited personal experience not on any scientific analysis. Eric wrote... >Shultsy wrote... >>In my opinion, Pete's 3x3 juggling is by far the most unbelievable >>trick ever done in footbag. No single trick has ever had a greater gap >>over the rest of the freestyle world. By that I mean that to learn >>this trick would take more effort than learning any other trick being >>done. Some of Sunil's stuff has huge gap too but what Pete is doing >>with this juggling stuff is absolutely gruesome. >Just so there's no confusion, I nearly fell over when I saw just a part of >Pete doing this. However, in my opinion... With all do respect to "Sweet >Feet Footbag Eater" Pete... & Shultsy. "By far the most unbelievable >trick ever done in footbag"... ? Wow! I disagree with the extremity of >that. A great display of incredible talent and discipline?... yes. Among >the unreal?... definitely. The "ultimate something" is at best arguable. >But Definitely Not "by far the most unbelievable trick ever in footbag". >Juggling 3 in hand is a relatively simple task. Juggling 3 with feet is >impressive although awkward looking. Put them both together and you've got >something. Consider that once one can juggle 3 in hand and 2 on foot, >putting them together is not a far reach. 3x3 is exponentially more >difficult yes but not the "Ultimate ever". >>My hat is off to you Mr. Irish and congratulations again on your Funtastik >>routine. To beat Ryan these days requires something awesome and you >>delivered in force. >I 2nd that... >Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:14:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29488 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:14:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f222.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.222]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04366 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 06:53:21 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 06:52:31 -0800 Received: from 128.206.120.240 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:52:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:52:31 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 14:52:31.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[872ED0A0:01C044DC] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "KeN Somolinos" wrote: >I don't think so...I have Ahren on tape barely missing atomic ducking pdx >blender. Pdx. from an atomic set? That would not be possible. Though lately I seem to not be up on my move nomenclature/rules. :-) I am sure it was a simple typo (just remove pdx)--Ken knows his shit inside and out (even toe and cross body). What a bad joke. >Has anybody ducked a nuclear set? Seems barely possible. My thoughts exactly. I would even go as far as to say impossible, BUT some of you guys (PETER, Kenny, Ken, Chad, Sunil, Ryan, etc.) have proved to me that the impossible is, in fact, very possible. >Speaking of blenders, I wonder if Chad's 7 was a surging food processor. >Sounds like a garbage disposer. I guess I haave really been out of the loop. I had heard nothing about this. Care to elaborate anyone? Ken? Chad? Later Ian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:15:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29499 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:15:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.155]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04600 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:05:59 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:05:07 -0800 Received: from 128.206.120.240 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:05:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:05:07 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 15:05:07.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[496BBD80:01C044DE] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org KeN Somolinos wrote: >Speaking of blenders, I wonder if Chad's 7 was a surging food processor. >Sounds like a garbage disposer. Amazing what you find out by reading all your messages. Maybe I should do that before I post next time. I finally read Sam's post about Chad and realized this was purely speculative by Ken. Probably a very good speculation, but nonetheless a speculation. Later Ian PS Size 13? ...those are some damn big feet. Cut them in half and I will take one...hehe... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:19:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29527 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:19:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.org (coins0.coin.org [198.209.253.1]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16281 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:30:23 -0800 Received: from sloppo.coin.org (mu-177049.dhcp.missouri.edu [128.206.177.49]) by coins0.coin.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eA2MU4F04680 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:30:04 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001102162725.009e0a90@pop.coin.org> X-Sender: jriely@pop.coin.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:28:44 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Jeremiah Riely Subject: Re: [freestyle] 4X In-Reply-To: <3A00FAE0.EBE2987@nilenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:25 PM 11/1/00 -0700, Daryl Genz wrote: >I hit shooting double leg over last night. My Way to go man! Crazy shit. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:20:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29548 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:20:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id eA2NOVN14349 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:24:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003701c04524$2dac9c40$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Surging set Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:25:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sam C wrote: > Surging set is a set invented by Big Add Chad. Red Fred Ethan Mason Husted and J boy were doing this set two years ago and I'm sure others did it before then. Chad may have named the set but he did not invent it. He has however taken the set to new limits. Ryan M From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:20:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29559 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:20:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18701 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:30:53 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id z.b5.2a592a1 (5714) for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from web46.aolmail.aol.com (web46.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.7]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:29:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:29:52 EST Subject: [freestyle] new trick for me To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey stylers, Last night I hit stepping op butterfly swirl, and last week I hit stepping same butterfly swirl. Do either of these moves have names? Thanks a lot. Matt Cross University of Rochester Rochester, NY From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:21:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29570 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:21:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20634 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:20:51 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G3F05L01AA3SY@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:20:27 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:20:27 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Ducks In-reply-to: To: Bryan Fournier Cc: footbagger@canada.com, freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Bryan Fournier wrote: > You sure hit a lot of moves Brad. Do you have a camcorder or something like > that? I haven't even come close to half of these moves people say they are > hitting... usually because these big moves are applicable to that person's > style...if you're hitting alot of them that means you have the ability to > mimic a lot of people's styles, in which case you should probly be giving > BAP a run for there money... I hope to get shredded by you at the next > tournament. l-l-l-l-ater. There is a HUGE difference between having hit a move and being able to through it in on a whim. I can hit a few big moves but my string length SUCKS and is usually regulated to smaller moves. I've seen you shred and believe me you're better. Yes I have a camcorder. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:21:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29581 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:21:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from istvan.sednet.hu (mail@istvan.veszprem.hu [212.97.0.101]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12635 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:45:55 -0800 Received: from dial1.sednet.hu ([212.97.0.193] helo=sednet.hu) by istvan.sednet.hu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13rREq-0002uF-00 for ; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 21:45:32 +0100 Message-ID: <3A01E2A1.4D048A9D@sednet.hu> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:54:41 +0100 From: Csallo Gergo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "!Freestyle List" Subject: Re: [freestyle] New trick or not? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all! ATW can be fun in many ways... Did you ever try to hit something like a half-spinning ATW? Especially is it's the In-Dex Version. Your "dexter" leg has to sneak under the bag so quickly and soooo flat... That looks great :) About the 2 moves: inside > dex > inside and outside >dex >outside Vern just mentioned Inside > dex > outside I also recommend to try outside > dex > inside with an out-in dex!!! Or try "Wolverine" (Clipper set Legover) Its like the same motion as an ATW :) Greets to the greats! rebelkid (Gergo Csallo) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:21:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29593 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:21:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from istvan.sednet.hu (mail@istvan.veszprem.hu [212.97.0.101]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12769 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:49:56 -0800 Received: from dial1.sednet.hu ([212.97.0.193] helo=sednet.hu) by istvan.sednet.hu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13rRIi-0002v9-00 for ; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 21:49:32 +0100 Message-ID: <3A01E392.22AAE3B6@sednet.hu> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:58:42 +0100 From: Csallo Gergo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "!Freestyle List" Subject: [freestyle] Stepping and Stomping moves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey! Could someone please explain me what is a "STEPPING" move? Also, when is stomping an extra add? If it is a way harder than the "normal" move? What is exactly a stomping move? (BFK[moderator], please dont bounce this, because the FAQ isnt detailed enough... i think) Basically: If I start an ATW, but after setting the bag, I put my setting foot back on the ground, then do a dexterity, is it a stomping ATW, though same 2 adds, as the non-stomping version, because its not so hard.. Am I right or stupid? Greets to the Greats! rebelkid (Gergo Csallo) PS: Hungarian Official Website coming soon From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:22:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29604 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:22:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from istvan.sednet.hu (mail@istvan.veszprem.hu [212.97.0.101]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14543 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:41:53 -0800 Received: from dial1.sednet.hu ([212.97.0.193] helo=sednet.hu) by istvan.sednet.hu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13rS6r-0003FM-00 for ; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:41:22 +0100 Message-ID: <3A01EFB6.38A7D3B4@sednet.hu> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 23:50:30 +0100 From: Csallo Gergo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "!Freestyle List" Subject: [freestyle] Atomic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey! Everyone is talking about atomic moves. Is there any way, I could find out what the hell is that? Please update the website, or someone send me an email explaining it in detailes (just like stomping and stepping) Thx in advance rebelkid (Gergo Csallo) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:57:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29872 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:57:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25964 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:49:42 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id i.29.c151c5a (4328); Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:48:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <29.c151c5a.27346287@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:48:39 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought To: mufreestyle@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'd like to see Josh Penney try to duck a nuclear set. His nuclear set is huge. I think it's possible. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 12:06:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01567 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:06:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [216.86.64.33]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27164 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:38:31 -0800 Received: from scratchyball.nodomain (matt@usr06-041.provide.net [216.86.67.169]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA09298; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:38:08 -0500 (EST) From: matt craig To: Csallo Gergo , "!Freestyle List" Subject: [freestyle] Outside ATW was: New trick or not? Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:20:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3A01E2A1.4D048A9D@sednet.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00110314331000.26063@scratchyball.nodomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 02 Nov 2000, Csallo Gergo expressed: > About the 2 moves: inside > dex > inside and outside >dex >outside outside ATWs are supposedly good if you want to get your whirls down. > I also recommend to try outside > dex > inside with an out-in dex!!! how about outside ATW to a dragon. outside > dex > xbd outside matt -- MichiganFootbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 12:07:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01576 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:07:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30952 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:29:59 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001103212935.COJX28694.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:29:35 -0800 Message-ID: <3A033050.93F66F48@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 15:38:24 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "!Freestyle List" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stepping and Stomping moves References: <3A01E392.22AAE3B6@sednet.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Csallo Gergo wrote: > > Could someone please explain me what is a "STEPPING" move, and an atomic move and a stomping move? Ok. Here goes. I'm sure that some will disagree with me, but this is the best way that I can explain the stuff. First, what is a set? Well. In any move, the bag goes up and then it comes down. The set is the part of the move done while the bag is still on the way up. A set is usually followed by a plant (putting the dex leg on the ground). An atomic set is a quick toe set reverse mirage (illusion) done before the next component. Atomic implies that the next part of the move is done on the opposite side of the body. In Job's it would be: toe > op out (plant) > op side component. An 'atomic same side' move is called 'tapping'. So, a tapping set would be: toe > op out (plant) > same side component. Some atomic moves are legbeater, flux, atom smasher, eggbeater, etc. And some tapping moves are tap, tapping whirl, tapdown, etc. Now for the 'stepping' set. A stepping set is a quick clipper set mirage done as a set. So, in Job's notation, it would be: clip > op in (plant) > whatever. Stepping implies "same side" unless otherwise specified, so if someone says "stepping whirl", that would be (clip > op in (plant) > same in > op clip). If the second part of the move is on the opposite side, you say 'stepping opposite side'. Examples of this would be ripwalk, torque, blurry whirl, stepping opposite side dyno, etc. Now, with stepping, things get a little weird. This is because there is a special name for the select few cases when paradox is involved. 'Blurry' means 'stepping paradox'. So, a 'blurry whirl' could be called a 'stepping paradox whirl' or a 'stepping opposite side whirl'... these are all accurate names for the same move. An important thing to note about these sets is that they aren't always necessary in some of the moves I listed above. For example, some people hit torques by doing a stepping set followed by an opposite side osis. Other people do torques all in one motion - the set isn't a distinct part of the move. The same could be said for eggbeater - some people do an atomic set followed by a legover - others do it all in one motion with no real set. These are all style differences. Nothing more. To distinguish between the styles, 'crispy' means 'with a distinct set' and 'original' means 'all in one motion'. And you asked about stomping. This is ONLY a style thing. It NEVER gets an extra ADD. Sure, it looks good and people will give you props for doing it big, but it is just another thing that slips through the cracks in the current difficulty rating system. As far as counting stomping moves as unique from regular moves... I don't know... I'm guessing that different judges would judge it different ways. If anyone has a problem with any of this, please let me know by private email to keep from confusing the people on this list. I will post corrections as needed. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 12:08:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01593 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:08:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1] (may be forged)) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07428 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:29:36 -0800 Received: from nilenet.com (slip141.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.164]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/09072000-01) with ESMTP id TAA03113; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:28:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A0373FB.A579BBB9@nilenet.com> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 19:27:07 -0700 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kenny Shults CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought References: <29.c151c5a.27346287@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Kenny Shults wrote: > I'd like to see Josh Penney try to duck a nuclear set. His nuclear set is > huge. I think it's possible. I'd like to warn anyone trying this one to stretch for at least 6 hours before trying it... I definitely think it's possible... After you've bathed in Flex-all. Peace, Daryl From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 12:08:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01604 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:08:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f150.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.150]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20666 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 06:30:48 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 06:29:59 -0800 Received: from 210.117.65.45 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 14:29:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.117.65.45] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Surging set Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 14:29:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2000 14:29:59.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[B62EF6B0:01C0466B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "His SIckness" Ryan Mulroney wrote: >Red Fred Ethan Mason Husted and J boy were doing this set two years ago and >I'm sure others did it before then. To which I add: Although I'm too lazy to search through the discussion archives I also seem to recall that Red named it zooming. Actually I'm very sure of that, because right after someone wrote that in I added it to the freestyle glossary on my site. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 12:21:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01666 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:21:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f313.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.188]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05375 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:08:59 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:08:10 -0800 Received: from 152.163.205.63 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 01:08:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.205.63] From: "Glenn Gentzke" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New trick or not? Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:08:10 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2000 01:08:10.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2E87320:01C045FB] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Guay is a pickup (set>op in>toe) but caught in a inside: set>op in [dex]>inside i think an around the world set and caught in an inside delay is just that, with no specific names. Glenn "BoZ" Gentzke ----Original Message Follows---- From: Matt Cross To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] New trick or not? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:26:34 EST Artem, Congratulations :) New stuff is always fun. The first trick you hit is called "guay", and I don't think the second one is named. I hit it about 2 years ago when i was just getting into freestyle, and I think I called it "underworld", but frankly, I don't think such a simple variation of Around the World such as the one you're describing deserves it's own real name. Matt Cross In a message dated Tue, 31 Oct 2000 1:22:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Artem Burmakin" <7mail@mail.ru> writes: << I just hited such 2 tricks: Help me if do they any names!! 1)You begin with inside delay, do a move like Around the world but( onward and backwards) and finish with inside delay 2))You begin with outside delay, do a move like Around the world but( onward and backwards) and finish with outside delay Hello from Russia Artem Burmakin Neon Sox Allianse(NSA) >> From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 7 11:05:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07198 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:05:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:30:40 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [166.90.84.119] From: "Dave Mitchell" To: Subject: [freestyle] Ducking Osis Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:32:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2000 21:30:40.0795 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5618EB0:01C0476F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up, I just hit a ducking osis the otherday (i've only been kickin' for like 3 monthes, so i'm not great) and i was wondering if it had a name. If so, damn. If not, I'm naming it calling it a "Mitch." Just send me a privete message, thanx. Later, Dave Mitchell From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 7 11:06:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07213 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:06:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from user ([24.70.195.10]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001105224230.YISA3896.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@user> for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 14:42:30 -0800 Message-ID: <001f01c0477a$202d5d40$0ac34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Allan Haggett" To: References: <3A033050.93F66F48@dallasfootbag.org> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stepping and Stomping moves Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 14:45:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derric, That was succinct and clear enough to be added to the tutorial listings on footbag.org site. Well done, I say. Allan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 7 11:07:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07225 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:07:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f94.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.94]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28630 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:00:57 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:00:08 -0800 Received: from 142.231.68.212 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Nov 2000 23:00:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.231.68.212] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Seattle Jam and Sick 10 Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 23:00:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2000 23:00:08.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[2499A620:01C0477C] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I was just wondering who from British Columbia (or people coming through BC) are going to the Seattle Jam. If people want to organize car pool's and stuff like that Im totally in. If you are going and are interested in organizing something, contact me by personal e-mail at jefflopes@home.com. Thanks! Seattle is going to dominate. Just a comment for the list: There was a discussion about pixie ducking moves. I read about it then decided to go and get creative and hit pixie ducking cross body rake. Almost through out my back trying this move.......(I am a big fan of rakes). Anyway, just thought Id throw that out there for people to try. That's all. Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 7 11:08:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07236 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:08:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from user ([24.70.195.10]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001105232642.YOMB3896.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@user> for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:26:42 -0800 Message-ID: <002601c04780$4d4494a0$0ac34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Allan Haggett" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Surging set Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:29:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Andrew and Online Footbag World, > .....that Red named it zooming. Actually I'm very sure of that, > because right after someone wrote that in I added it to the freestyle > glossary on my site. I'm too short on time to seach the archives, but: It was my impression that a zoom set wasn't so much a set, as it is an "osis with a reverse set ". To clarify that... after an osis the bag normally comes up in front of you. If you zoom it, you set it back behind you to do something back the other direction. To illustrate: feed spinning osis back and forth and you are in effect zoom setting each osis. Lon, are you out there?? you were saying at World's that not very many people do this.... further clarification?? I've been known to be wrong too :) > "His SIckness" Ryan Mulroney wrote: > > >Red Fred Ethan Mason Husted and J boy were doing this set two years > >ago and I'm sure others did it before then. In yet another eery coincidence that I've been finding with people posting stuff to list that I've been thinking about or doing, I started to hit this set [surging] within a week prior to Sam posting that Chad was playing with it. I find it hard not to "slur" the set (making it some weird spinning-inside set) and generally do it from a bit of a pause afer the intial clipper or osis delay happens(but it adds accent ;) ), but I've hit surging paradox torque cleanly(hoping to post that sometime soon, as I'm sure I've got one on video), Surging prdx mirage(gyro-blur), Big-Walk(I like the name:)), and Surging Barfly(?? gyro-blurriest). Gyro-Nemesis is where I see this going... :O I'll hit surging ducking butterfly by Seattle. OH yeah, by the way..... Everyone *must* come to Seattle on November 25th & 26th for Rain City Shred's first shred event!! Anyone in the area has NO excuse....(quit your job, ditch the family, girlfriend....rob a bank(kidding!!), PRIORITIES PEOPLE.... footbag is all there is!) Those not in the area..... come anyways.... lol Allan K.H. PS Revolution Footbags Rule!! Sand rocks! (pun intened) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 7 11:12:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07254 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:12:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f183.hotmail.com [216.32.181.183]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17103 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:36:54 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:36:04 -0800 Received: from 142.87.3.145 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:36:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.87.3.145] From: "Joe Mckenna" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] mouth stall?? Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:36:04 AST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2000 16:36:04.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7C94A30:01C0480F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all you crazy sackers. Does anyone give credit to mouth stalls, just catching it for a sec and dropping it to a flying clipper, or even from a left shoulder stall, mouth it,set it on a right shoulder stall, round the neck? I've always thrown these in to the routine and no one i hack with has seen or heard of this. Has anyone else done this? And I'm not talking about setting the sack high and waiting under it with an open mouth, just picking it out of the air. Joe From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 7 11:16:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07277 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:16:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f297.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.172]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01468 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:53:57 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:53:08 -0800 Received: from 152.163.207.212 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 02:53:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.207.212] From: "Glenn Gentzke" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] in need of a name Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 21:53:07 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2000 02:53:08.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBA87140:01C04865] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, Do any of you avid readers know what the name is for a double pixie op clipper from a toe set? Here's a Jobs for it: TOE>IN [DEX]>SAME IN [DEX]>OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL] I searched all the 4-add moves on file on the freestyle list (of course i may have not seen it and that's my mistake if i did so) and could not find it so if anyone knows it please tell me. ~Glenn "BoZ" Gentzke From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:33:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14703 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:33:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10240 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:55:35 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G3O00301FO2RO@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:55:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:55:14 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] new trick for me In-reply-to: To: Matt Cross Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Matt Cross wrote: > Last night I hit stepping op butterfly swirl, and last week I hit > stepping same butterfly swirl. Do either of these moves have names? Thanks > a lot. What's up all. Saw this post and had to respond with a very cool EYE WITNESS account of a SICK combo. Just 3 days ago I saw Daryl hit smog>pixie butterfly swirl. It was SO SWEET! Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:32:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14692 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:32:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:00:14 -0800 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by law3-test-www.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 22:00:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: allan@footbag.org, freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Surging set Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:00:14 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c04780$4d4494a0$0ac34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2000 22:00:14.0910 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BA985E0:01C04906] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Allan Haggett wrote: > >It was my impression that a zoom set wasn't so much a set, as it is an >"osis with a reverse set ". Whoa there. I like fancy terminology as much as the next styler, but let's not get confusing until we have to. A zoom "set," is a spin set from an osis. Ta da! Surging is so cool, I'm glad to hear it is becoming more common. By the way, gyro blur is called surge. The other moves you listed...well it's not my place to comment whether they've been hit or have names already. Great stuff everybody. CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:32:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14698 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:32:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10050; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:50:35 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G3O00301FFMEI@clem.mscd.edu>; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:50:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:50:10 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought In-reply-to: To: Fabian Kollakowski Cc: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org, codeine_45x@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Fabian Kollakowski wrote: > sorry, my fault > read atomic instead of nuclear > can an atomic set be pdx though ? Nuclear IS the pdx of atomic it just has it's own cool name. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:33:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14708 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:33:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12725 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:01:46 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G3O00901IQDHI@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:01:25 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:01:25 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Atomic In-reply-to: <3A01EFB6.38A7D3B4@sednet.hu> To: Csallo Gergo Cc: !Freestyle List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Csallo Gergo wrote: > Everyone is talking about atomic moves. Is there any way, I could find > out what the hell is that? An atomic move is a toe set reverse mirage followed by a move done with the opposite side of the body. If that doesn't make sense then here are some examples and explainations of moves Atom smasher: toe> op out> op in> op toe. The set comes from the toe (let's use right toe for the purposes of this explaination), then the opposite leg (left) does an "out to in" dexterity. Next, the Right leg does and "in to out" dexterity ***This is where the move has become ATOMIC*** and you catch on the Left toe. Legbeater (Atomic Butterfly): toe> op out> op out> op clip. Again from the Right Toe you set, opposite leg (left) does and "out to in" dexterity. Next, the Right leg does and "out to in" dexterity ***This is where the move had become ATOMIC*** and you catch Left clipper. Now a dexterity does not have to be the "move done with the opposite side of the body" I was talking about. If you remove the second dex from the Legbeater and just catch clipper then you have an Atomic Clipper. IMPORTANT DISTINCTION: Atomic and Tapping are often confused. Tapping moves are toe set reverse mirage followed by a move done with the SAME side of the body. Now this is how I have always understood it to be. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone out there will come back and spank me pretty hard **cough*cough*Steve**cough. Hope this helps, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:34:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14737 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:34:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G3O00B01K3JS2@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:30:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:30:55 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ducking Osis In-reply-to: To: Dave Mitchell Cc: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Dave Mitchell wrote: > I just hit a ducking osis the otherday (i've only been kickin' for like > 3 monthes, so i'm not great) and i was wondering if it had a name. If so, > damn. If not, I'm naming it calling it a "Mitch." Just send me a privete > message, thanx. I honestly think "ditch" would be a better name, you with the Ducking and all. Not to make fun of you or anything, and I know you'd like to name a trick after yourself, but I don't think this one should be it. Honestly you can call it whatever you want and it's fine by me, but I think "popular" naming rights would go elsewhere since it's a widely used move. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:35:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14749 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:35:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from billy ([63.199.200.241]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G3O0063JL31M1@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:52:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:52:59 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ducking Osis To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: <000d01c0491e$3f898ec0$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The cokewalk just keeps on coming back to haunt me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mitchell" To: Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:32 PM Subject: [freestyle] Ducking Osis > What's up, > I just hit a ducking osis the otherday (i've only been kickin' for > like 3 monthes, so i'm not great) and i was wondering if it had a name. > If so, damn. If not, I'm naming it calling it a "Mitch." Just send me a > privete message, thanx. > > Later, Dave Mitchell From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:35:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14764 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:35:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c017.sfo.cp.net (c017-h015.c017.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.229]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19510 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:54:03 -0800 Received: (cpmta 13180 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2000 19:53:21 -0800 Received: from port-2-66-56k.beckley.zoomnet.net (HELO alaska) (208.29.206.173) by smtp.openball.com (209.228.12.229) with SMTP; 7 Nov 2000 19:53:21 -0800 X-Sent: 8 Nov 2000 03:53:21 GMT Message-ID: <002301c04937$76115450$adce1dd0@alaska> From: "Vern DeHaven" To: "Glenn Gentzke" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] in need of a name Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:53:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > TOE>IN [DEX]>SAME IN [DEX]>OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL] Hey, Without the first pixie, the 3-add version's called a pixie opposite clipper. Sounds like this is a double pixie opposite clipper, since the list has a double pixie clipper using the set leg throughout (toe > same in > same in > same clip). I hope this doesn't need a new name, I can't keep up as it is... Peace, Vern From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:37:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14775 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:37:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21408 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:16:20 -0800 Received: (qmail 24513 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2000 05:16:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20001108051600.24512.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <002601c04780$4d4494a0$0ac34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> Received: from [216.175.22.246] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:16:00 PST Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:16:00 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Surging set To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Allan Haggett wrote: > but I've hit surging paradox torque cleanly(hoping > to post that sometime soon, as I'm sure I've got > one on video), Surging prdx mirage(gyro-blur), > Big-Walk(I like the name:)), and Surging Barfly(?? > gyro-blurriest). Gyro-Nemesis is where I see this > going... :O I'll hit surging ducking butterfly by > Seattle Is that for real? Are you kidding? That's the sickest shiznit I've ever heard. I really want to see this surging set so I can start skoolin' it. I don't really understand the way it should look and feel. I think If I see it, It would be easier to do it. Somebody bust a surging pdx drifter. Oh my god that would be sooo dope!!! That reminds me, I've hit 2 consec blurry drifters sooo many times and sealed it. It's sooo much easier than I thought it would be, but I can't do 3 for the life of me. What's up with that? I also hit 3 consec blurriest, and 2 consec blurriers. And sealed weakside fog (I'm most proud of that!).. That's enough boasting for me, OH wait, weakside flurry and both side vortex in one string. Ok now I'm done. Bye, James Risden :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:38:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14786 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:38:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f285.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.160]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11000 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 15:16:12 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 15:15:22 -0800 Received: from 63.209.84.229 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 23:15:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.209.84.229] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: jlopes69@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Seattle Jam and Sick 10 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 15:15:22 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2000 23:15:22.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4C21B00:01C049D9] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Jeff Lopes" wrote: >There was a discussion about pixie ducking moves. I read about it then >decided to go and get creative and hit pixie ducking cross body rake. >Almost through out my back trying this move.......(I am a big fan of >rakes). > Anyway, just thought Id throw that out there for people to try. > >That's all. > >Jeff Lopes See Kaplan... these are the moves I'm talking about...are these guys for real? pixie ducking x-body rake? I'm not even close to any of these 4 word long-named moves... here's a hard move I've been working on, I decided to get creative and hit ...badside...its one word... short and sweet, not to disrespect jeff's accomplishment but sometimes I shake my head dubiously... am I just a cynic/skeptic? who cares let's shred! :) ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:39:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14797 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:39:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f27.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.27]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19239 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 19:15:04 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 19:14:14 -0800 Received: from 24.67.226.58 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:14:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.67.226.58] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: freestyle_spaz@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Seattle Jam and Sick 10 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:14:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2000 03:14:14.0105 (UTC) FILETIME=[231C4C90:01C049FB] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bryan wrote: >See Kaplan... these are the moves I'm talking about...are these guys for >real? pixie ducking x-body rake? I'm not even close to any of these 4 word >long-named moves... here's a hard move I've been working on, I decided to >get creative and hit ...badside...its one word... short and sweet, not to >disrespect jeff's accomplishment but sometimes I shake my head dubiously... >am I just a cynic/skeptic? who cares let's shred! :) Hey dude, Im not one of these guys who can hit "4 word long-named moves" on one side, and can't hit clipper on the other. Weakside training is the biggest emphasis I have on my game. I just through that out there for people to try if they think its cool. I hit it when I was thinking of moves for the Sick 10. Anyway, Id say your skeptic. :) Thanks for your opinion, I totally respect it. Shred on. Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:39:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14808 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:39:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f169.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.169]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23277 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:50:48 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:49:56 -0800 Received: from 163.41.62.144 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 06:49:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [163.41.62.144] From: "Matt Baker" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] atomic duck Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 22:49:56 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2000 06:49:56.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[4584C1E0:01C04A19] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone was talking about atomic ducking moves. i hit atomic ducking clipper and almost atomic ducking butterfly. has that realm already been explored by people??? SEATTLE OOOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:40:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14821 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:40:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f56.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.56]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28528 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 02:26:02 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 02:25:12 -0800 Received: from 211.117.39.55 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:25:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.117.39.55] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New tricks? Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:25:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2000 10:25:12.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[57CA0D10:01C04A37] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yes, yet another one of these from me. Has anyone seen, or heard the name for: double pickup caught on an inside? (I just thought of this today and hit it on both sides, but I couldn't do anything out of the right side) Stepping guay? Gyro guay? Spinning guay? If it doesn't have a name yet I want to call the double pickup one "dexter's lab." Take care all. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:46:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14835 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:46:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09479 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:52:25 -0800 Received: from nilenet.com (slip157.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.180]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/09072000-01) with ESMTP id OAA21373 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:51:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A0B1C05.16AA115B@nilenet.com> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 14:49:57 -0700 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: [freestyle] Results: Utah Halloween Jam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Everyone! I know it wasn't really very well advertised or anything (This was Jim Pomey's first try at setting up a tournament - a daunting task, especially when you don't have a phone...) but the Utah Footbag Organization's, (note the clever anagram) first tournament went down smooth as a Reese's double over... down. There were two categories, beginner and open. Unfortunately, we had a difficult time enticing beginner players to sign up... (It just goes to show that you need to get the beginners to sign up before they see the open players - intimidation becomes a major factor...) We ended up canceling the beginners category. There were 8 open competitors and 2 rounds of competition with raw adds only in a 45 second shred. Results are as follows: 1. Daryl Genz (Westminster, CO) - 108 2. Jim Penske (Idaho Falls, ID) - 106 3. Spencer Behn (St. George, UT) - 77 4. Matt Baker (Eugene, OR) - 75 5. Jim Pomey (Salt Lake City, UT) - 59 6. Sunny Freeman (Ft. Collins, CO) - 48 7. Boon Penske (Idaho Falls, ID) - 44 8. David Simpson (Idaho Falls, ID) - 40 Bob Green was in attendance but suffered a very serious back injury (doing a legover of all things)... Our thoughts and wishes go out to him in hope of a speedy recovery. Let me just add on a personal note that you'd all better watch out for this Pesky... I mean Penske ;-). He shreds. Period. My hat's also off to Spencer and Matt for making an appearance. These two are serious shredders and *not* to be overlooked. I was just happy to see all that talent gathered there among all those LSD people... Oh, right, LDS (Latter Day Saints). Sorry it took so long to post these results... I've been extremely busy lately as it takes a lot of work to start a Revolution. ;-) Peace, Daryl Genz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:48:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14847 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:48:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f153.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.153]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21165; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:07:58 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:07:08 -0800 Received: from 64.12.104.172 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 03:07:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.104.172] From: "Glenn Gentzke" To: Outsider@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] in need of a name Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 22:07:07 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2000 03:07:08.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F961D50:01C04AC3] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A final clarifying note on the TOE>SAME IN>SAME IN>OP CLIP: I've come somewhat close to hitting it, but so far i'm only doing pixie op clippers with one dex. my friend jim has hit double pixie op clippers...wait...that would be a terrage clipper! that's what it would be caled since a terrage is double pixie...there ya go. mystery solved, i think ~Glenn "BoZ" Gentzke From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:48:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14860 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:48:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05115 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:05:49 -0800 Received: from psu.edu (tnt3-125-35.cac.psu.edu [146.186.125.35]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA246012; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:05:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3A08986E.45257D31@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:03:58 -0800 From: Kaiser Ahmad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Mckenna CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] mouth stall?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo, I ain't down with that shit. I realize that you are saying that you are just "picking it out of the air" and not catching it in your mouth, but that just means that it'll take the creepy, crawly things now on your lips a little bit longer to travel into your mouth. I sincerely pray that you do not play in a circle full of people that kick with Tevas, because someone else in that circle may be down with the toe jammin athlete's foot. Then you'll be taking Joe Namath's spot in all those athlete's lip/foot commercials. However, props to you for your freestyling ideas. Very unique, just DON'T LICK YOUR LIPS! Peace out. Kaiser Soze-Penn State Trio LordKay-NYFA > Joe Mckenna wrote: > >> Hey all you crazy sackers. >> >> Does anyone give credit to mouth stalls, just catching it for >> a sec and dropping it to a flying clipper, or even from a left shoulder >> stall, mouth it,set it on a right shoulder stall, round the neck? I've >> always thrown these in to the routine and no one i hack with has seen or >> heard of this. Has anyone else done this? And I'm not talking about setting >> >> the sack high and waiting under it with an open mouth, just picking it out >> of the air. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 10:57:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18279 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:57:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15447 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:15:43 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.202.94]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G3U0012S064XO@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:06:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:06:36 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] Seattle Jam and Sick 10 To: Jeff Lopes , freestyle_spaz@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <000601c04b6a$f09cd340$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Jeff Lopes" > Hey dude, > > Im not one of these guys who can hit "4 word long-named moves" on > one side, and can't hit clipper on the other. Weakside training is > the biggest emphasis I have on my game. I just through that out > there for people to try if they think its cool. I hit it when I was > thinking of moves for the Sick 10. Anyway, Id say your skeptic. :) And I would say, "You're skeptic." Don't hold it against Bryan. There a lot of people out there can talk the talk but can't walk the walk (as they say). It's just funny when people say, "I hit this!" and "I hit that!" and then when they get in a circle they can't seem to hit it. I like people that focus on developing their strings and then move on to harder moves. It is good that you take your weakside seriously. Keep it up (what a great footbag pun). - Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 10:57:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18284 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:57:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15602 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:24:27 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.202.94]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G3U00EC30QUUT@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:18:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:19:24 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] in need of a name To: Vern DeHaven , Glenn Gentzke , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <001101c04b6c$aa161920$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <002301c04937$76115450$adce1dd0@alaska> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Vern DeHaven" > > TOE>IN [DEX]>SAME IN [DEX]>OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL] > > Hey, > > Without the first pixie, the 3-add version's called a pixie opposite > clipper. Sounds like this is a double pixie opposite clipper, since the > list has a double pixie clipper using the set leg throughout (toe > same in > > same in > same clip). > > I hope this doesn't need a new name, I can't keep up as it is... > > Peace, > Vern I think people are getting carried away with naming. Not every move needs a name, only the ones that are used often. Things like terraging clipper, which is what you are talking about above, are cool but not in their prime usage right now. Want to change that? Go right ahead! If there is a move that not a lot of people can (or will) do and you can do really well, then go to a tournament and bust it. Bust it both sides... bust it from blur... to blur... bust it spinning, gryo, and upside down... bust it midstring... hell, bust it 4 times in a string. When you can do that, people will notice and their ears will be open when you suggest a name. I learned this the hard way so, I learned it well. Chances are, most moves you can think of have been shredded already. That isn't to say give up; if you think you can hit something new and beautiful, bring it to a tournament and, trust me, people will tell you if it is new or not. - Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops P.S. It would be funny if there was a move called "Hard". From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 10:58:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18289 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:58:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f63.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.63]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17181 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:44:34 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:43:43 -0800 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 00:43:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] move boasting,new set, the gremlin Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 13:43:43 NZDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2000 00:43:43.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[716C3710:01C04B78] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I managed to hit a nice new set yesterday,i'm sure its been done before.Its a pixie atomic/tapping set, toe in (dex) plant> op out( dex) plant>.... whatever you want to follow with.I thought gremlin was a cool name as they're radioactive (ie atomic) pixie sought of critters. Is there anyone else out there working on this set? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 11:04:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18347 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:04:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f178.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.178]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17659; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:04:30 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:03:39 -0800 Received: from 142.231.69.8 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 01:03:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.231.69.8] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: sam@footbag.org, freestyle_spaz@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Seattle Jam and Sick 10 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 01:03:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c04b6a$f09cd340$9b66fea9@billy> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2000 01:03:39.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A425460:01C04B7B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, Sam wrote: >Don't hold it against Bryan. There a lot of people out there can talk the >talk but can't walk the walk (as they say). It's just funny when people >say, "I hit this!" and "I hit that!" and then when they get in a circle >they can't seem to hit it. I dont hold anything against Bryan. :) Thats the last time I gloat about a move. ha ha Also, I like the above comment about shredder's that are all talk. Its all about long strings too. Both sides...........mirror those moves!!! Later. Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 11:05:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18358 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:05:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f176.hotmail.com [216.32.181.176]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02637 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:16:45 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:15:54 -0800 Received: from 129.93.213.15 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:15:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.213.15] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] kickers in Amsterdam Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 12:15:53 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2000 18:15:54.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DFCD010:01C04C0B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, are there any kickers out there in Amsterdam or the surrounding area? If so, email me personally please. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 11:06:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18370 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:06:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saturn.wwc.edu (IDENT:postfix@saturn.wwc.edu [199.236.178.1]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18874 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:18:53 -0800 Received: from student.wwc.edu (student.wwc [10.82.5.3]) by saturn.wwc.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 872DE7001B for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from WWC-Message_Server by student.wwc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:18:24 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:18:04 -0800 From: "Erik Engeberg" To: Subject: [freestyle] what about this? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id AAA17311 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Has anyone out there hit or tried to hit a move like paradox drifter swirl? I think that would be one of the coolest moves if done cleanly. Except for maybe blurry drifter swirl. -EdE From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 11:06:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18385 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:06:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web210.mail.yahoo.com (web210.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.110]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA21278 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 01:39:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 3105 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2000 09:39:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20001112093900.3104.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.27.1.133] by web210.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 01:39:00 PST Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 01:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Zerbe Subject: [freestyle] Jam in Seattle, Nov. 25-26 To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there Folks! Thought I'd drop in a say HOWDY! Just wanted to let all of you know that Pre-registration for the Jam in Seattle closes on Nov. 15th so sign up now while there's still time. For the love of God! --- Bryan Fournier wrote: > I think this Sick 10 contest is a good idea... > but you guys should post the rules and parameters > of the contest on steve G's page somewhere just > to get people familiar with it... I'm assuming > Eli and Alex have a pretty good idea of how it's > supposed to be run... just clue us in on it, cuz > it sounds pretty cutting edge... later on then... Okay Brian, Sorry it took my lazy ass so long to get aroung to soing this. You can check out the rules as I have them now at.... http://www.footbag.org/calendar/show/972535283 Just be sure to scroll down. If you have any suggestions PLEASE drop me an e-mail at zerbalicious@yahoo.com Hope to see you there! Alex Zerbe From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 11:51:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18471 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:51:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f198.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.198]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30859 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:43:56 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:43:04 -0800 Received: from 163.41.62.114 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:43:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [163.41.62.114] From: "Matt Baker" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] atomic duck in seattle!!!! Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:43:04 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2000 19:43:04.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[C62F5570:01C04CE0] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, I am writing all you freestylers to sign up for the freestyle jam in seattle over thanksgiving weekend. online regestration is cheaper and the deadline to regester online is like the 15th. If your in the west you should think about coming to this tournament it is going to rock!!! Also on another note my question was not answered about atomic ducking clipper and atomic ducking butterfly. Has anyone hit these ?????? I hit atomic ducking clipper and was really close to hitting aromic ducking/diving butterfly. I think it should be called supercallafragilisticexpealidocious. Just jokin!!! Seatlle owwwwwwwwwwww!!!! peace matt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 13:37:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21155 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:37:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11606 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:15:49 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.200.68]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G3Y00F2P8ZYVL@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:07:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:08:35 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] move boasting,new set, the gremlin To: jono heyes , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <001801c04d38$2846a680$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "jono heyes" > I managed to hit a nice new set yesterday,i'm sure its been done > before.Its a pixie atomic/tapping set, toe in (dex) plant> op out( dex) > plant>.... whatever you want to follow with.I thought gremlin was a > cool name as they're radioactive (ie atomic) pixie sought of critters. > Is there anyone else out there working on this set? A few days ago I was talking to Bryan Fournier about this idea. Fournier has an amazing atomic set so I suggested trying to pixie on the way up. I'm a bit skeptical, but if a pixie atomic set could be done cleanly, it would be pretty amazing and could possibly pave the road for another quad dex or two. Oh... and "gremlin"... what a genius name for the set. Good job Jono... Will you be coming to the Shred Symposium? I've got to see that! -Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops ps. WINTER SUCKS! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 13:36:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21145 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:36:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03692 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:53:53 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.198.238.87]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G3X00KOGRDURE@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:46:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:46:50 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] size 12 milleniums? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <004001c04d02$d4245c80$0100000a@local.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Can anyone sell me a pair of size 12 laver millenniums? I don't care if they are used, I really need them. Thanks! -Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 13:37:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21150 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:37:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from vcn.bc.ca (vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07369 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:54:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA28670; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:54:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:54:21 -0800 (PST) From: Verhoef Anne To: Erik Engeberg cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] what about this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Erik Engeberg wrote: > Has anyone out there hit or tried to hit a move like paradox drifter > swirl? I think that would be one of the coolest moves if done cleanly. > Except for maybe blurry drifter swirl. I've tried paradox drifter swirl but no dice. What move I've come close to hitting but haven't yet is frontside symposium Amadeus: like this clip>gyro spin>same symposium in out dex>op out in dex>op clip. I have a feeling I'll hit it next week sometime. Another cool move that's been on my mind is reverse swirling gyro whirl. Anybody hit this? Kenny Shults or Ahren maybe?? Adrian Verhoef -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 13:38:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21179 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:38:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f21.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21926 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:50:10 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:49:14 -0800 Received: from 63.212.130.94 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:49:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.212.130.94] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: engeer@wwc.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] what about this? Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:49:14 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2000 16:49:14.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[A79A7C50:01C04D91] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Erik Engeberg" wrote: >Has anyone out there hit or tried to hit a move like paradox drifter >swirl? I think that would be one of the coolest moves if done cleanly. >Except for maybe blurry drifter swirl. >-EdE No, but I've been working on legbeater swirl and pixie butterfly swirls, it really forces you to clean and perfect your swirls... until nex' time... ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 14:13:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21327 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:13:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29438 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:00:43 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001113220010.HXCZ3608.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:00:10 -0800 Message-ID: <3A10667F.C5E66BF7@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:09:03 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move boasting,new set, the gremlin References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org jono heyes wrote: > > I managed to hit a nice new set yesterday,i'm sure its been done before.Its > a pixie atomic/tapping set, toe in (dex) plant> op out( dex) plant>.... Yeah... I've seen this set a few times. Frank Gutowski hits a 'dasein' (pixie legbeater) using this set on http://dallasfootbag.org/multimedia/Other_Events/99worlds-a/FrankGutowski.html Look at 99frank02. It is a sweet move. > I thought gremlin was a cool name as > they're radioactive (ie atomic) pixie sought of critters. I haven't heard of a name for this set. Anyone have any objection to 'gremlin'? I guess some moves would be 'gremlin whirl', 'gremlin butterfly', etc. > Is there anyone else out there working on this set? Frank has been hitting it for at least a year and a half. I've also seen a few other people attempting it... a nice shred at yesterday's Texas State comes to mind... Anyway, cool set. The people who are hitting it should be naming it. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 22:51:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22395 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:51:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4601.mail.yahoo.com (web4601.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.156]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA30075 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:24:49 -0800 Message-ID: <20001113222357.25568.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.2.11.34] by web4601.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:23:57 PST Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:23:57 -0800 (PST) From: john kingi Subject: [freestyle] Names..... To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. Now I'm only tiltless and Ive only been kicking for about 7-8 months freestyle, so I'm not about to go laying down 'lores' and stuff but, to all new skoolers like myself I just want to say that pretty much anything you can think of from any set you can think of below about 4-5 even 6 add has been hit, just because its not on the move list doesn't mean it has never been done and therefor needs a name. Also taking an already existing move and changing its set/delay doesn't mean it needs a new name. Now I like fancy names as much as the next guy, but (and I've been guilty of this myself) I just get sick of reading things like.... toe>op out>out side does this have a name cause think sdfhjk would be a.... You get the idea. Just my opinion, any abuse please send privately. J (redeemer) P.S. To all those people receiving personal replies from me that look like they should have gone via free@footbag.org sorry, I forgot to change the reply address, I'm pretty tired and in lots of pain as my back is out so hopefully you'll understand. Later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 22:51:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22406 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:51:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30491 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:31:30 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001113223059.ISLQ3608.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:30:59 -0800 Message-ID: <3A106DB8.58296985@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:39:52 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New tricks? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Andrew McCargar wrote: > > Has anyone seen, or heard the name for: > > double pickup caught on an inside? That is the name. Since the final delay doesn't change the name of a move (ie. clip=dragon=xbdy sole and toe=inside=outside), there isn't a special name for it. Please note that there are some common names in use for certain moves. Guay is the common name for a pickup caught on an inside. There are countless dragon moves that have been named (mostly by Jon "The Outsider" Schneider). Though these moves are all badass and I would count each of them as unique, there just isn't enough room on the move list for all possible variations of different moves. Anything that can be caught on a clipper can also be caught on any other type of cross-body delay. Anything that can be caught on a toe can also be caught on any other type of non-cross-body delay. That's a lot of moves... have fun hitting them all :) -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 22:53:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22422 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:53:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.87]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31798 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:09:02 -0800 Received: from c4720a ([24.178.207.137]) by femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001113230839.CZZE2350.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c4720a>; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:08:39 -0800 Message-ID: <001701c04dcf$910707e0$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> From: "Richard Reese" To: Cc: Subject: [freestyle] baby,genzu and life Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:12:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3