From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 1 23:44:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25649 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:44:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f89.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.89]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07546 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:08:50 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:08:02 -0800 Received: from 149.225.20.192 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:08:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [149.225.20.192] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: codeine_45x@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:08:02 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2000 20:08:02.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[7098BBA0:01C0443F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ahren, havent you hit nuclear duckin blender ? you tried it at worlds didnt you fabian Shaun Marques asked: >anyone ever hit Nuclear Blender and/or Nuclear Dyno? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 1 23:45:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25658 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:45:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f112.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.112]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15448 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:14:44 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:14:19 -0800 Received: from 63.212.132.139 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 00:14:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.212.132.139] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, footbagger@canada.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Ducks Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:14:19 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 00:14:19.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[D80F1F00:01C04461] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Kaplan wrote: >On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Rob Fuller wrote: > > Pixie Ducking Mirage (ducking smear) > > toe>same in>duck>op in>op toe > > Sweet, I hit this too, but I don't know the name. I can't hit Pixie >ducking drifter though. I've also hit pixie ducking butterfly. > They're all cool moves. > > > Brad You sure hit a lot of moves Brad. Do you have a camcorder or something like that? I haven't even come close to half of these moves people say they are hitting... usually because these big moves are applicable to that person's style...if you're hitting alot of them that means you have the ability to mimic a lot of people's styles, in which case you should probly be giving BAP a run for there money... I hope to get shredded by you at the next tournament. l-l-l-l-ater. ~Bryan Fournier OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach, CA. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 1 23:45:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25663 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:45:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20315 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:49:09 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.202.87]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G3D002T1M14LD@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:39:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:39:54 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] size 13 milleniums To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <002001c04476$2ed7d3e0$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have a pair of size 13 milleniums. They are broken in but in good condition. If you use milleniums, you know how hard to find they are. If anyone is interested, e-mail me. Thanks. Remember, size 13!!! ps. anyone have any 12s or know where to buy them? thanks! - Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 1 23:46:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25668 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:46:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20310 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:49:09 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.202.87]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G3D00JGBLSRGJ@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:34:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:34:53 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] thanksgiving jam To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <001f01c04475$7bbb2aa0$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Matt Baker" > p.s. What is a surging set??? Surging set is a set invented by Big Add Chad. It is a gyro stepping set. Chad hits moves such as big walk (gyro ripwalk), surge (gyro blur), surreal (surging whirl), and many others that he probably wants to keep secret for a while. cough cough... 7s.. cough -Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 1 23:46:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25673 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:46:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25411 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:28:16 -0800 Received: from nilenet.com (slip158.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.181]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/09072000-01) with ESMTP id WAA16013 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 22:27:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A00FAE0.EBE2987@nilenet.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:25:52 -0700 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: [freestyle] 4X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All, I hit shooting double leg over last night. My mom didn't see it, but I'm as sure as I can be that it was clean ;-). I'm wondering if anyone else (besides Red) is exploring this realm. In particular, has anyone hit a 4-dex that isn't shooting (which I believe is a *relatively* easy way to start a 4-dex move). I havn't thought of a good name for it yet... I'm saving the name I thought of for when I hit my first non-shooting 4-dex: pixie parodon swirl... I guess I'd better go practice it. Genzu Blades PS. Just occurred to me that you could do this move (as I named it) two ways: 1) Shoot from left (or right) clip, then DLO in the opposite direction of the shooting set landing on right(or left) toe. 2) Shoot form left (or right) clip, then DLO in the same direction of the shooting set landing on left (or right) toe - sort of like a "double shooting" set... now there are some name possibilities there... I hit version 1. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 1 23:47:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25702 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:47:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28014 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:18:09 -0800 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:16:45 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:11:54 -0800 Message-ID: <01C04459.1FFE1FE0.ewulff@jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Cc: "'Kenny \"Enforcer\" Shults'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] juggling... hands & feet... Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:11:53 -0800 Organization: JSI SHIPPING X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Shultsy wrote... >In my opinion, Pete's 3x3 juggling is by far the most unbelievable >trick ever done in footbag. No single trick has ever had a greater gap >over the rest of the freestyle world. By that I mean that to learn >this trick would take more effort than learning any other trick being >done. Some of Sunil's stuff has huge gap too but what Pete is doing >with this juggling stuff is absolutely gruesome. Just so there's no confusion, I nearly fell over when I saw just a part of Pete doing this. However, in my opinion... With all do respect to "Sweet Feet Footbag Eater" Pete... & Shultsy. "By far the most unbelievable trick ever done in footbag"... ? Wow! I disagree with the extremity of that. A great display of incredible talent and discipline?... yes. Among the unreal?... definitely. The "ultimate something" is at best arguable. But Definitely Not "by far the most unbelievable trick ever in footbag". Juggling 3 in hand is a relatively simple task. Juggling 3 with feet is impressive although awkward looking. Put them both together and you've got something. Consider that once one can juggle 3 in hand and 2 on foot, putting them together is not a far reach. 3x3 is exponentially more difficult yes but not the "Ultimate ever". >My hat is off to you Mr. Irish and congratulations again on your Funtastik >routine. To beat Ryan these days requires something awesome and you >delivered in force. I 2nd that... Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 2 00:14:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25829 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:14:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28774 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:00:35 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001102080012.PTDI28694.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:00:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3A012109.8031B728@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:08:41 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Fournier CC: kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Ducks References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bryan Fournier wrote: > > You sure hit a lot of moves Brad. I hope to get shredded by you at the next > tournament. Hmmm... That next tournament is coming up in a little over a week. Brad will be showing me a thing or two down in Austin for Texas State. Ahhh... I can't wait. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 2 00:14:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25840 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:14:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28855 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:05:48 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001102080525.PUFN28694.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:05:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3A012242.44308059@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:13:54 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: Re: [freestyle] 4X References: <3A00FAE0.EBE2987@nilenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Daryl Genz wrote: > > In particular, has anyone hit a 4-dex that > isn't shooting If they haven't done it yet, those crazy New Zealanders have to be really close to a fusion swirl. I remember Las Vegas a while back where they were busting the HUGE atomic sets and paradon swirls all over the place. I figure it is just a matter of time before the move and the set merge into one big hella-move. So guys, has it been hit yet? Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 2 00:18:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25871 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:18:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f134.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.134]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28967 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:13:08 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:12:21 -0800 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:12:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: ash__18@hotmail.com, codeine_45x@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 03:12:20 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 08:12:21.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FB8D630:01C044A4] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Just want to say congrats to Darryl for hitting that double leg overing double leg over. The last night at worlds in a garage jam he was coming real close to it as well as pixie paradon swirl, and his shooting set is undeniably a clean 2 dexes. Fabian K asked: >ahren, havent you hit nuclear duckin blender ? >you tried it at worlds didnt you I don't think so...I have Ahren on tape barely missing atomic ducking pdx blender. Has anybody ducked a nuclear set? Seems barely possible. Speaking of blenders, I wonder if Chad's 7 was a surging food processor. Sounds like a garbage disposer. Also, what is the add breakdown of a x-body rake? Is there a dex add in there? Keep up the hein shred everybody. Ken From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:12:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29465 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:12:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f250.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.75]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00614; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 02:33:09 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 02:32:21 -0800 Received: from 149.225.148.182 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:32:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [149.225.148.182] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org, codeine_45x@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:32:21 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 10:32:21.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EA10670:01C044B8] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org sorry, my fault read atomic instead of nuclear can an atomic set be pdx though ? fabian KeN Somolinos wrote: >I don't think so...I have Ahren on tape barely missing atomic ducking pdx >blender. Has anybody ducked a nuclear set? Seems barely possible. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:13:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29470 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:13:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-r05.mail.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03165 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:40:16 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id n.86.251b898 (4206); Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:39:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <86.251b898.2732c881@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:39:13 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] juggling... hands & feet... To: ewulff@jsishipping.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Like I said, this is only my opinion, which is based purely on my limited personal experience not on any scientific analysis. Eric wrote... >Shultsy wrote... >>In my opinion, Pete's 3x3 juggling is by far the most unbelievable >>trick ever done in footbag. No single trick has ever had a greater gap >>over the rest of the freestyle world. By that I mean that to learn >>this trick would take more effort than learning any other trick being >>done. Some of Sunil's stuff has huge gap too but what Pete is doing >>with this juggling stuff is absolutely gruesome. >Just so there's no confusion, I nearly fell over when I saw just a part of >Pete doing this. However, in my opinion... With all do respect to "Sweet >Feet Footbag Eater" Pete... & Shultsy. "By far the most unbelievable >trick ever done in footbag"... ? Wow! I disagree with the extremity of >that. A great display of incredible talent and discipline?... yes. Among >the unreal?... definitely. The "ultimate something" is at best arguable. >But Definitely Not "by far the most unbelievable trick ever in footbag". >Juggling 3 in hand is a relatively simple task. Juggling 3 with feet is >impressive although awkward looking. Put them both together and you've got >something. Consider that once one can juggle 3 in hand and 2 on foot, >putting them together is not a far reach. 3x3 is exponentially more >difficult yes but not the "Ultimate ever". >>My hat is off to you Mr. Irish and congratulations again on your Funtastik >>routine. To beat Ryan these days requires something awesome and you >>delivered in force. >I 2nd that... >Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:14:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29488 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:14:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f222.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.222]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04366 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 06:53:21 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 06:52:31 -0800 Received: from 128.206.120.240 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:52:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:52:31 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 14:52:31.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[872ED0A0:01C044DC] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "KeN Somolinos" wrote: >I don't think so...I have Ahren on tape barely missing atomic ducking pdx >blender. Pdx. from an atomic set? That would not be possible. Though lately I seem to not be up on my move nomenclature/rules. :-) I am sure it was a simple typo (just remove pdx)--Ken knows his shit inside and out (even toe and cross body). What a bad joke. >Has anybody ducked a nuclear set? Seems barely possible. My thoughts exactly. I would even go as far as to say impossible, BUT some of you guys (PETER, Kenny, Ken, Chad, Sunil, Ryan, etc.) have proved to me that the impossible is, in fact, very possible. >Speaking of blenders, I wonder if Chad's 7 was a surging food processor. >Sounds like a garbage disposer. I guess I haave really been out of the loop. I had heard nothing about this. Care to elaborate anyone? Ken? Chad? Later Ian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:15:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29499 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:15:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.155]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04600 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:05:59 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:05:07 -0800 Received: from 128.206.120.240 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:05:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:05:07 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 15:05:07.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[496BBD80:01C044DE] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org KeN Somolinos wrote: >Speaking of blenders, I wonder if Chad's 7 was a surging food processor. >Sounds like a garbage disposer. Amazing what you find out by reading all your messages. Maybe I should do that before I post next time. I finally read Sam's post about Chad and realized this was purely speculative by Ken. Probably a very good speculation, but nonetheless a speculation. Later Ian PS Size 13? ...those are some damn big feet. Cut them in half and I will take one...hehe... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:19:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29527 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:19:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from coins0.coin.org (coins0.coin.org [198.209.253.1]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16281 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:30:23 -0800 Received: from sloppo.coin.org (mu-177049.dhcp.missouri.edu [128.206.177.49]) by coins0.coin.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eA2MU4F04680 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:30:04 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001102162725.009e0a90@pop.coin.org> X-Sender: jriely@pop.coin.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:28:44 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Jeremiah Riely Subject: Re: [freestyle] 4X In-Reply-To: <3A00FAE0.EBE2987@nilenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:25 PM 11/1/00 -0700, Daryl Genz wrote: >I hit shooting double leg over last night. My Way to go man! Crazy shit. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:20:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29548 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:20:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id eA2NOVN14349 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:24:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003701c04524$2dac9c40$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Surging set Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:25:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sam C wrote: > Surging set is a set invented by Big Add Chad. Red Fred Ethan Mason Husted and J boy were doing this set two years ago and I'm sure others did it before then. Chad may have named the set but he did not invent it. He has however taken the set to new limits. Ryan M From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:20:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29559 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:20:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18701 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:30:53 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id z.b5.2a592a1 (5714) for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from web46.aolmail.aol.com (web46.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.7]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:29:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 18:29:52 EST Subject: [freestyle] new trick for me To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey stylers, Last night I hit stepping op butterfly swirl, and last week I hit stepping same butterfly swirl. Do either of these moves have names? Thanks a lot. Matt Cross University of Rochester Rochester, NY From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:21:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29570 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:21:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20634 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:20:51 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G3F05L01AA3SY@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:20:27 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:20:27 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pixie Ducks In-reply-to: To: Bryan Fournier Cc: footbagger@canada.com, freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Bryan Fournier wrote: > You sure hit a lot of moves Brad. Do you have a camcorder or something like > that? I haven't even come close to half of these moves people say they are > hitting... usually because these big moves are applicable to that person's > style...if you're hitting alot of them that means you have the ability to > mimic a lot of people's styles, in which case you should probly be giving > BAP a run for there money... I hope to get shredded by you at the next > tournament. l-l-l-l-ater. There is a HUGE difference between having hit a move and being able to through it in on a whim. I can hit a few big moves but my string length SUCKS and is usually regulated to smaller moves. I've seen you shred and believe me you're better. Yes I have a camcorder. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:21:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29581 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:21:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from istvan.sednet.hu (mail@istvan.veszprem.hu [212.97.0.101]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12635 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:45:55 -0800 Received: from dial1.sednet.hu ([212.97.0.193] helo=sednet.hu) by istvan.sednet.hu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13rREq-0002uF-00 for ; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 21:45:32 +0100 Message-ID: <3A01E2A1.4D048A9D@sednet.hu> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:54:41 +0100 From: Csallo Gergo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "!Freestyle List" Subject: Re: [freestyle] New trick or not? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all! ATW can be fun in many ways... Did you ever try to hit something like a half-spinning ATW? Especially is it's the In-Dex Version. Your "dexter" leg has to sneak under the bag so quickly and soooo flat... That looks great :) About the 2 moves: inside > dex > inside and outside >dex >outside Vern just mentioned Inside > dex > outside I also recommend to try outside > dex > inside with an out-in dex!!! Or try "Wolverine" (Clipper set Legover) Its like the same motion as an ATW :) Greets to the greats! rebelkid (Gergo Csallo) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:21:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29593 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:21:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from istvan.sednet.hu (mail@istvan.veszprem.hu [212.97.0.101]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12769 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:49:56 -0800 Received: from dial1.sednet.hu ([212.97.0.193] helo=sednet.hu) by istvan.sednet.hu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13rRIi-0002v9-00 for ; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 21:49:32 +0100 Message-ID: <3A01E392.22AAE3B6@sednet.hu> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:58:42 +0100 From: Csallo Gergo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "!Freestyle List" Subject: [freestyle] Stepping and Stomping moves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey! Could someone please explain me what is a "STEPPING" move? Also, when is stomping an extra add? If it is a way harder than the "normal" move? What is exactly a stomping move? (BFK[moderator], please dont bounce this, because the FAQ isnt detailed enough... i think) Basically: If I start an ATW, but after setting the bag, I put my setting foot back on the ground, then do a dexterity, is it a stomping ATW, though same 2 adds, as the non-stomping version, because its not so hard.. Am I right or stupid? Greets to the Greats! rebelkid (Gergo Csallo) PS: Hungarian Official Website coming soon From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:22:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29604 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:22:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from istvan.sednet.hu (mail@istvan.veszprem.hu [212.97.0.101]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14543 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:41:53 -0800 Received: from dial1.sednet.hu ([212.97.0.193] helo=sednet.hu) by istvan.sednet.hu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13rS6r-0003FM-00 for ; Thu, 02 Nov 2000 22:41:22 +0100 Message-ID: <3A01EFB6.38A7D3B4@sednet.hu> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 23:50:30 +0100 From: Csallo Gergo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "!Freestyle List" Subject: [freestyle] Atomic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey! Everyone is talking about atomic moves. Is there any way, I could find out what the hell is that? Please update the website, or someone send me an email explaining it in detailes (just like stomping and stepping) Thx in advance rebelkid (Gergo Csallo) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 3 10:57:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29872 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:57:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25964 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:49:42 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id i.29.c151c5a (4328); Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:48:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <29.c151c5a.27346287@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:48:39 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought To: mufreestyle@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'd like to see Josh Penney try to duck a nuclear set. His nuclear set is huge. I think it's possible. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 12:06:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01567 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:06:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [216.86.64.33]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27164 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:38:31 -0800 Received: from scratchyball.nodomain (matt@usr06-041.provide.net [216.86.67.169]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA09298; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:38:08 -0500 (EST) From: matt craig To: Csallo Gergo , "!Freestyle List" Subject: [freestyle] Outside ATW was: New trick or not? Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:20:21 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3A01E2A1.4D048A9D@sednet.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00110314331000.26063@scratchyball.nodomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 02 Nov 2000, Csallo Gergo expressed: > About the 2 moves: inside > dex > inside and outside >dex >outside outside ATWs are supposedly good if you want to get your whirls down. > I also recommend to try outside > dex > inside with an out-in dex!!! how about outside ATW to a dragon. outside > dex > xbd outside matt -- MichiganFootbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 12:07:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01576 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:07:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30952 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:29:59 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001103212935.COJX28694.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:29:35 -0800 Message-ID: <3A033050.93F66F48@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 15:38:24 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "!Freestyle List" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stepping and Stomping moves References: <3A01E392.22AAE3B6@sednet.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Csallo Gergo wrote: > > Could someone please explain me what is a "STEPPING" move, and an atomic move and a stomping move? Ok. Here goes. I'm sure that some will disagree with me, but this is the best way that I can explain the stuff. First, what is a set? Well. In any move, the bag goes up and then it comes down. The set is the part of the move done while the bag is still on the way up. A set is usually followed by a plant (putting the dex leg on the ground). An atomic set is a quick toe set reverse mirage (illusion) done before the next component. Atomic implies that the next part of the move is done on the opposite side of the body. In Job's it would be: toe > op out (plant) > op side component. An 'atomic same side' move is called 'tapping'. So, a tapping set would be: toe > op out (plant) > same side component. Some atomic moves are legbeater, flux, atom smasher, eggbeater, etc. And some tapping moves are tap, tapping whirl, tapdown, etc. Now for the 'stepping' set. A stepping set is a quick clipper set mirage done as a set. So, in Job's notation, it would be: clip > op in (plant) > whatever. Stepping implies "same side" unless otherwise specified, so if someone says "stepping whirl", that would be (clip > op in (plant) > same in > op clip). If the second part of the move is on the opposite side, you say 'stepping opposite side'. Examples of this would be ripwalk, torque, blurry whirl, stepping opposite side dyno, etc. Now, with stepping, things get a little weird. This is because there is a special name for the select few cases when paradox is involved. 'Blurry' means 'stepping paradox'. So, a 'blurry whirl' could be called a 'stepping paradox whirl' or a 'stepping opposite side whirl'... these are all accurate names for the same move. An important thing to note about these sets is that they aren't always necessary in some of the moves I listed above. For example, some people hit torques by doing a stepping set followed by an opposite side osis. Other people do torques all in one motion - the set isn't a distinct part of the move. The same could be said for eggbeater - some people do an atomic set followed by a legover - others do it all in one motion with no real set. These are all style differences. Nothing more. To distinguish between the styles, 'crispy' means 'with a distinct set' and 'original' means 'all in one motion'. And you asked about stomping. This is ONLY a style thing. It NEVER gets an extra ADD. Sure, it looks good and people will give you props for doing it big, but it is just another thing that slips through the cracks in the current difficulty rating system. As far as counting stomping moves as unique from regular moves... I don't know... I'm guessing that different judges would judge it different ways. If anyone has a problem with any of this, please let me know by private email to keep from confusing the people on this list. I will post corrections as needed. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 12:08:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01593 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:08:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1] (may be forged)) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07428 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:29:36 -0800 Received: from nilenet.com (slip141.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.164]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/09072000-01) with ESMTP id TAA03113; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:28:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A0373FB.A579BBB9@nilenet.com> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 19:27:07 -0700 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kenny Shults CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought References: <29.c151c5a.27346287@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Kenny Shults wrote: > I'd like to see Josh Penney try to duck a nuclear set. His nuclear set is > huge. I think it's possible. I'd like to warn anyone trying this one to stretch for at least 6 hours before trying it... I definitely think it's possible... After you've bathed in Flex-all. Peace, Daryl From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 12:08:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01604 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:08:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f150.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.150]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20666 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 06:30:48 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 06:29:59 -0800 Received: from 210.117.65.45 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 14:29:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.117.65.45] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Surging set Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 14:29:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2000 14:29:59.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[B62EF6B0:01C0466B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "His SIckness" Ryan Mulroney wrote: >Red Fred Ethan Mason Husted and J boy were doing this set two years ago and >I'm sure others did it before then. To which I add: Although I'm too lazy to search through the discussion archives I also seem to recall that Red named it zooming. Actually I'm very sure of that, because right after someone wrote that in I added it to the freestyle glossary on my site. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 5 12:21:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01666 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:21:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f313.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.188]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05375 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:08:59 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:08:10 -0800 Received: from 152.163.205.63 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Nov 2000 01:08:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.205.63] From: "Glenn Gentzke" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New trick or not? Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 20:08:10 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2000 01:08:10.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2E87320:01C045FB] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Guay is a pickup (set>op in>toe) but caught in a inside: set>op in [dex]>inside i think an around the world set and caught in an inside delay is just that, with no specific names. Glenn "BoZ" Gentzke ----Original Message Follows---- From: Matt Cross To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] New trick or not? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:26:34 EST Artem, Congratulations :) New stuff is always fun. The first trick you hit is called "guay", and I don't think the second one is named. I hit it about 2 years ago when i was just getting into freestyle, and I think I called it "underworld", but frankly, I don't think such a simple variation of Around the World such as the one you're describing deserves it's own real name. Matt Cross In a message dated Tue, 31 Oct 2000 1:22:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Artem Burmakin" <7mail@mail.ru> writes: << I just hited such 2 tricks: Help me if do they any names!! 1)You begin with inside delay, do a move like Around the world but( onward and backwards) and finish with inside delay 2))You begin with outside delay, do a move like Around the world but( onward and backwards) and finish with outside delay Hello from Russia Artem Burmakin Neon Sox Allianse(NSA) >> From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 7 11:05:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07198 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:05:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:30:40 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [166.90.84.119] From: "Dave Mitchell" To: Subject: [freestyle] Ducking Osis Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:32:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2000 21:30:40.0795 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5618EB0:01C0476F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up, I just hit a ducking osis the otherday (i've only been kickin' for like 3 monthes, so i'm not great) and i was wondering if it had a name. If so, damn. If not, I'm naming it calling it a "Mitch." Just send me a privete message, thanx. Later, Dave Mitchell From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 7 11:06:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07213 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:06:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from user ([24.70.195.10]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001105224230.YISA3896.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@user> for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 14:42:30 -0800 Message-ID: <001f01c0477a$202d5d40$0ac34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Allan Haggett" To: References: <3A033050.93F66F48@dallasfootbag.org> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stepping and Stomping moves Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 14:45:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derric, That was succinct and clear enough to be added to the tutorial listings on footbag.org site. Well done, I say. Allan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 7 11:07:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07225 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:07:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f94.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.94]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28630 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:00:57 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:00:08 -0800 Received: from 142.231.68.212 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Nov 2000 23:00:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.231.68.212] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Seattle Jam and Sick 10 Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 23:00:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2000 23:00:08.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[2499A620:01C0477C] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I was just wondering who from British Columbia (or people coming through BC) are going to the Seattle Jam. If people want to organize car pool's and stuff like that Im totally in. If you are going and are interested in organizing something, contact me by personal e-mail at jefflopes@home.com. Thanks! Seattle is going to dominate. Just a comment for the list: There was a discussion about pixie ducking moves. I read about it then decided to go and get creative and hit pixie ducking cross body rake. Almost through out my back trying this move.......(I am a big fan of rakes). Anyway, just thought Id throw that out there for people to try. That's all. Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 7 11:08:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07236 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:08:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from user ([24.70.195.10]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001105232642.YOMB3896.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@user> for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:26:42 -0800 Message-ID: <002601c04780$4d4494a0$0ac34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Allan Haggett" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Surging set Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 15:29:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Andrew and Online Footbag World, > .....that Red named it zooming. Actually I'm very sure of that, > because right after someone wrote that in I added it to the freestyle > glossary on my site. I'm too short on time to seach the archives, but: It was my impression that a zoom set wasn't so much a set, as it is an "osis with a reverse set ". To clarify that... after an osis the bag normally comes up in front of you. If you zoom it, you set it back behind you to do something back the other direction. To illustrate: feed spinning osis back and forth and you are in effect zoom setting each osis. Lon, are you out there?? you were saying at World's that not very many people do this.... further clarification?? I've been known to be wrong too :) > "His SIckness" Ryan Mulroney wrote: > > >Red Fred Ethan Mason Husted and J boy were doing this set two years > >ago and I'm sure others did it before then. In yet another eery coincidence that I've been finding with people posting stuff to list that I've been thinking about or doing, I started to hit this set [surging] within a week prior to Sam posting that Chad was playing with it. I find it hard not to "slur" the set (making it some weird spinning-inside set) and generally do it from a bit of a pause afer the intial clipper or osis delay happens(but it adds accent ;) ), but I've hit surging paradox torque cleanly(hoping to post that sometime soon, as I'm sure I've got one on video), Surging prdx mirage(gyro-blur), Big-Walk(I like the name:)), and Surging Barfly(?? gyro-blurriest). Gyro-Nemesis is where I see this going... :O I'll hit surging ducking butterfly by Seattle. OH yeah, by the way..... Everyone *must* come to Seattle on November 25th & 26th for Rain City Shred's first shred event!! Anyone in the area has NO excuse....(quit your job, ditch the family, girlfriend....rob a bank(kidding!!), PRIORITIES PEOPLE.... footbag is all there is!) Those not in the area..... come anyways.... lol Allan K.H. PS Revolution Footbags Rule!! Sand rocks! (pun intened) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 7 11:12:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07254 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:12:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f183.hotmail.com [216.32.181.183]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17103 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:36:54 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 08:36:04 -0800 Received: from 142.87.3.145 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Nov 2000 16:36:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.87.3.145] From: "Joe Mckenna" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] mouth stall?? Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:36:04 AST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2000 16:36:04.0307 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7C94A30:01C0480F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all you crazy sackers. Does anyone give credit to mouth stalls, just catching it for a sec and dropping it to a flying clipper, or even from a left shoulder stall, mouth it,set it on a right shoulder stall, round the neck? I've always thrown these in to the routine and no one i hack with has seen or heard of this. Has anyone else done this? And I'm not talking about setting the sack high and waiting under it with an open mouth, just picking it out of the air. Joe From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 7 11:16:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07277 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:16:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f297.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.172]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01468 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:53:57 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:53:08 -0800 Received: from 152.163.207.212 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 02:53:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.207.212] From: "Glenn Gentzke" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] in need of a name Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 21:53:07 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2000 02:53:08.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBA87140:01C04865] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, Do any of you avid readers know what the name is for a double pixie op clipper from a toe set? Here's a Jobs for it: TOE>IN [DEX]>SAME IN [DEX]>OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL] I searched all the 4-add moves on file on the freestyle list (of course i may have not seen it and that's my mistake if i did so) and could not find it so if anyone knows it please tell me. ~Glenn "BoZ" Gentzke From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:33:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14703 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:33:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10240 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:55:35 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G3O00301FO2RO@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:55:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:55:14 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] new trick for me In-reply-to: To: Matt Cross Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Matt Cross wrote: > Last night I hit stepping op butterfly swirl, and last week I hit > stepping same butterfly swirl. Do either of these moves have names? Thanks > a lot. What's up all. Saw this post and had to respond with a very cool EYE WITNESS account of a SICK combo. Just 3 days ago I saw Daryl hit smog>pixie butterfly swirl. It was SO SWEET! Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:32:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14692 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:32:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:00:14 -0800 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by law3-test-www.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 22:00:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: allan@footbag.org, freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Surging set Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:00:14 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002601c04780$4d4494a0$0ac34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2000 22:00:14.0910 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BA985E0:01C04906] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Allan Haggett wrote: > >It was my impression that a zoom set wasn't so much a set, as it is an >"osis with a reverse set ". Whoa there. I like fancy terminology as much as the next styler, but let's not get confusing until we have to. A zoom "set," is a spin set from an osis. Ta da! Surging is so cool, I'm glad to hear it is becoming more common. By the way, gyro blur is called surge. The other moves you listed...well it's not my place to comment whether they've been hit or have names already. Great stuff everybody. CF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:32:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14698 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:32:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10050; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:50:35 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G3O00301FFMEI@clem.mscd.edu>; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:50:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:50:10 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some moves for thought In-reply-to: To: Fabian Kollakowski Cc: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org, codeine_45x@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Fabian Kollakowski wrote: > sorry, my fault > read atomic instead of nuclear > can an atomic set be pdx though ? Nuclear IS the pdx of atomic it just has it's own cool name. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:33:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14708 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:33:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12725 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:01:46 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G3O00901IQDHI@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:01:25 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:01:25 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Atomic In-reply-to: <3A01EFB6.38A7D3B4@sednet.hu> To: Csallo Gergo Cc: !Freestyle List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Csallo Gergo wrote: > Everyone is talking about atomic moves. Is there any way, I could find > out what the hell is that? An atomic move is a toe set reverse mirage followed by a move done with the opposite side of the body. If that doesn't make sense then here are some examples and explainations of moves Atom smasher: toe> op out> op in> op toe. The set comes from the toe (let's use right toe for the purposes of this explaination), then the opposite leg (left) does an "out to in" dexterity. Next, the Right leg does and "in to out" dexterity ***This is where the move has become ATOMIC*** and you catch on the Left toe. Legbeater (Atomic Butterfly): toe> op out> op out> op clip. Again from the Right Toe you set, opposite leg (left) does and "out to in" dexterity. Next, the Right leg does and "out to in" dexterity ***This is where the move had become ATOMIC*** and you catch Left clipper. Now a dexterity does not have to be the "move done with the opposite side of the body" I was talking about. If you remove the second dex from the Legbeater and just catch clipper then you have an Atomic Clipper. IMPORTANT DISTINCTION: Atomic and Tapping are often confused. Tapping moves are toe set reverse mirage followed by a move done with the SAME side of the body. Now this is how I have always understood it to be. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone out there will come back and spank me pretty hard **cough*cough*Steve**cough. Hope this helps, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:34:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14737 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:34:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G3O00B01K3JS2@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:30:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:30:55 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ducking Osis In-reply-to: To: Dave Mitchell Cc: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 5 Nov 2000, Dave Mitchell wrote: > I just hit a ducking osis the otherday (i've only been kickin' for like > 3 monthes, so i'm not great) and i was wondering if it had a name. If so, > damn. If not, I'm naming it calling it a "Mitch." Just send me a privete > message, thanx. I honestly think "ditch" would be a better name, you with the Ducking and all. Not to make fun of you or anything, and I know you'd like to name a trick after yourself, but I don't think this one should be it. Honestly you can call it whatever you want and it's fine by me, but I think "popular" naming rights would go elsewhere since it's a widely used move. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:35:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14749 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:35:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from billy ([63.199.200.241]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G3O0063JL31M1@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:52:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:52:59 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ducking Osis To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: <000d01c0491e$3f898ec0$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The cokewalk just keeps on coming back to haunt me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mitchell" To: Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:32 PM Subject: [freestyle] Ducking Osis > What's up, > I just hit a ducking osis the otherday (i've only been kickin' for > like 3 monthes, so i'm not great) and i was wondering if it had a name. > If so, damn. If not, I'm naming it calling it a "Mitch." Just send me a > privete message, thanx. > > Later, Dave Mitchell From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:35:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14764 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:35:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c017.sfo.cp.net (c017-h015.c017.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.229]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19510 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:54:03 -0800 Received: (cpmta 13180 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2000 19:53:21 -0800 Received: from port-2-66-56k.beckley.zoomnet.net (HELO alaska) (208.29.206.173) by smtp.openball.com (209.228.12.229) with SMTP; 7 Nov 2000 19:53:21 -0800 X-Sent: 8 Nov 2000 03:53:21 GMT Message-ID: <002301c04937$76115450$adce1dd0@alaska> From: "Vern DeHaven" To: "Glenn Gentzke" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] in need of a name Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 22:53:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > TOE>IN [DEX]>SAME IN [DEX]>OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL] Hey, Without the first pixie, the 3-add version's called a pixie opposite clipper. Sounds like this is a double pixie opposite clipper, since the list has a double pixie clipper using the set leg throughout (toe > same in > same in > same clip). I hope this doesn't need a new name, I can't keep up as it is... Peace, Vern From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:37:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14775 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:37:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21408 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:16:20 -0800 Received: (qmail 24513 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Nov 2000 05:16:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20001108051600.24512.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <002601c04780$4d4494a0$0ac34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> Received: from [216.175.22.246] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Nov 2000 21:16:00 PST Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 21:16:00 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Surging set To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Allan Haggett wrote: > but I've hit surging paradox torque cleanly(hoping > to post that sometime soon, as I'm sure I've got > one on video), Surging prdx mirage(gyro-blur), > Big-Walk(I like the name:)), and Surging Barfly(?? > gyro-blurriest). Gyro-Nemesis is where I see this > going... :O I'll hit surging ducking butterfly by > Seattle Is that for real? Are you kidding? That's the sickest shiznit I've ever heard. I really want to see this surging set so I can start skoolin' it. I don't really understand the way it should look and feel. I think If I see it, It would be easier to do it. Somebody bust a surging pdx drifter. Oh my god that would be sooo dope!!! That reminds me, I've hit 2 consec blurry drifters sooo many times and sealed it. It's sooo much easier than I thought it would be, but I can't do 3 for the life of me. What's up with that? I also hit 3 consec blurriest, and 2 consec blurriers. And sealed weakside fog (I'm most proud of that!).. That's enough boasting for me, OH wait, weakside flurry and both side vortex in one string. Ok now I'm done. Bye, James Risden :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:38:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14786 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:38:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f285.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.160]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11000 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 15:16:12 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 15:15:22 -0800 Received: from 63.209.84.229 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Nov 2000 23:15:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.209.84.229] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: jlopes69@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Seattle Jam and Sick 10 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 15:15:22 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2000 23:15:22.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4C21B00:01C049D9] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Jeff Lopes" wrote: >There was a discussion about pixie ducking moves. I read about it then >decided to go and get creative and hit pixie ducking cross body rake. >Almost through out my back trying this move.......(I am a big fan of >rakes). > Anyway, just thought Id throw that out there for people to try. > >That's all. > >Jeff Lopes See Kaplan... these are the moves I'm talking about...are these guys for real? pixie ducking x-body rake? I'm not even close to any of these 4 word long-named moves... here's a hard move I've been working on, I decided to get creative and hit ...badside...its one word... short and sweet, not to disrespect jeff's accomplishment but sometimes I shake my head dubiously... am I just a cynic/skeptic? who cares let's shred! :) ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:39:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14797 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:39:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f27.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.27]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19239 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 19:15:04 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 19:14:14 -0800 Received: from 24.67.226.58 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:14:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.67.226.58] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: freestyle_spaz@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Seattle Jam and Sick 10 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 03:14:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2000 03:14:14.0105 (UTC) FILETIME=[231C4C90:01C049FB] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bryan wrote: >See Kaplan... these are the moves I'm talking about...are these guys for >real? pixie ducking x-body rake? I'm not even close to any of these 4 word >long-named moves... here's a hard move I've been working on, I decided to >get creative and hit ...badside...its one word... short and sweet, not to >disrespect jeff's accomplishment but sometimes I shake my head dubiously... >am I just a cynic/skeptic? who cares let's shred! :) Hey dude, Im not one of these guys who can hit "4 word long-named moves" on one side, and can't hit clipper on the other. Weakside training is the biggest emphasis I have on my game. I just through that out there for people to try if they think its cool. I hit it when I was thinking of moves for the Sick 10. Anyway, Id say your skeptic. :) Thanks for your opinion, I totally respect it. Shred on. Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:39:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14808 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:39:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f169.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.169]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23277 for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:50:48 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:49:56 -0800 Received: from 163.41.62.144 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 06:49:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [163.41.62.144] From: "Matt Baker" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] atomic duck Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 22:49:56 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2000 06:49:56.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[4584C1E0:01C04A19] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone was talking about atomic ducking moves. i hit atomic ducking clipper and almost atomic ducking butterfly. has that realm already been explored by people??? SEATTLE OOOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:40:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14821 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:40:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f56.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.56]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28528 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 02:26:02 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 02:25:12 -0800 Received: from 211.117.39.55 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:25:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.117.39.55] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New tricks? Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:25:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2000 10:25:12.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[57CA0D10:01C04A37] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yes, yet another one of these from me. Has anyone seen, or heard the name for: double pickup caught on an inside? (I just thought of this today and hit it on both sides, but I couldn't do anything out of the right side) Stepping guay? Gyro guay? Spinning guay? If it doesn't have a name yet I want to call the double pickup one "dexter's lab." Take care all. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:46:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14835 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:46:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09479 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:52:25 -0800 Received: from nilenet.com (slip157.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.180]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/09072000-01) with ESMTP id OAA21373 for ; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:51:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A0B1C05.16AA115B@nilenet.com> Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 14:49:57 -0700 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: [freestyle] Results: Utah Halloween Jam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Everyone! I know it wasn't really very well advertised or anything (This was Jim Pomey's first try at setting up a tournament - a daunting task, especially when you don't have a phone...) but the Utah Footbag Organization's, (note the clever anagram) first tournament went down smooth as a Reese's double over... down. There were two categories, beginner and open. Unfortunately, we had a difficult time enticing beginner players to sign up... (It just goes to show that you need to get the beginners to sign up before they see the open players - intimidation becomes a major factor...) We ended up canceling the beginners category. There were 8 open competitors and 2 rounds of competition with raw adds only in a 45 second shred. Results are as follows: 1. Daryl Genz (Westminster, CO) - 108 2. Jim Penske (Idaho Falls, ID) - 106 3. Spencer Behn (St. George, UT) - 77 4. Matt Baker (Eugene, OR) - 75 5. Jim Pomey (Salt Lake City, UT) - 59 6. Sunny Freeman (Ft. Collins, CO) - 48 7. Boon Penske (Idaho Falls, ID) - 44 8. David Simpson (Idaho Falls, ID) - 40 Bob Green was in attendance but suffered a very serious back injury (doing a legover of all things)... Our thoughts and wishes go out to him in hope of a speedy recovery. Let me just add on a personal note that you'd all better watch out for this Pesky... I mean Penske ;-). He shreds. Period. My hat's also off to Spencer and Matt for making an appearance. These two are serious shredders and *not* to be overlooked. I was just happy to see all that talent gathered there among all those LSD people... Oh, right, LDS (Latter Day Saints). Sorry it took so long to post these results... I've been extremely busy lately as it takes a lot of work to start a Revolution. ;-) Peace, Daryl Genz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:48:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14847 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:48:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f153.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.153]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21165; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:07:58 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:07:08 -0800 Received: from 64.12.104.172 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 03:07:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.104.172] From: "Glenn Gentzke" To: Outsider@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] in need of a name Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 22:07:07 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2000 03:07:08.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F961D50:01C04AC3] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A final clarifying note on the TOE>SAME IN>SAME IN>OP CLIP: I've come somewhat close to hitting it, but so far i'm only doing pixie op clippers with one dex. my friend jim has hit double pixie op clippers...wait...that would be a terrage clipper! that's what it would be caled since a terrage is double pixie...there ya go. mystery solved, i think ~Glenn "BoZ" Gentzke From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 10 13:48:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14860 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:48:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05115 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:05:49 -0800 Received: from psu.edu (tnt3-125-35.cac.psu.edu [146.186.125.35]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA246012; Tue, 7 Nov 2000 16:05:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3A08986E.45257D31@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:03:58 -0800 From: Kaiser Ahmad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Mckenna CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] mouth stall?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo, I ain't down with that shit. I realize that you are saying that you are just "picking it out of the air" and not catching it in your mouth, but that just means that it'll take the creepy, crawly things now on your lips a little bit longer to travel into your mouth. I sincerely pray that you do not play in a circle full of people that kick with Tevas, because someone else in that circle may be down with the toe jammin athlete's foot. Then you'll be taking Joe Namath's spot in all those athlete's lip/foot commercials. However, props to you for your freestyling ideas. Very unique, just DON'T LICK YOUR LIPS! Peace out. Kaiser Soze-Penn State Trio LordKay-NYFA > Joe Mckenna wrote: > >> Hey all you crazy sackers. >> >> Does anyone give credit to mouth stalls, just catching it for >> a sec and dropping it to a flying clipper, or even from a left shoulder >> stall, mouth it,set it on a right shoulder stall, round the neck? I've >> always thrown these in to the routine and no one i hack with has seen or >> heard of this. Has anyone else done this? And I'm not talking about setting >> >> the sack high and waiting under it with an open mouth, just picking it out >> of the air. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 10:57:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18279 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:57:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15447 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:15:43 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.202.94]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G3U0012S064XO@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:06:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:06:36 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] Seattle Jam and Sick 10 To: Jeff Lopes , freestyle_spaz@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <000601c04b6a$f09cd340$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Jeff Lopes" > Hey dude, > > Im not one of these guys who can hit "4 word long-named moves" on > one side, and can't hit clipper on the other. Weakside training is > the biggest emphasis I have on my game. I just through that out > there for people to try if they think its cool. I hit it when I was > thinking of moves for the Sick 10. Anyway, Id say your skeptic. :) And I would say, "You're skeptic." Don't hold it against Bryan. There a lot of people out there can talk the talk but can't walk the walk (as they say). It's just funny when people say, "I hit this!" and "I hit that!" and then when they get in a circle they can't seem to hit it. I like people that focus on developing their strings and then move on to harder moves. It is good that you take your weakside seriously. Keep it up (what a great footbag pun). - Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 10:57:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18284 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:57:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15602 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:24:27 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.202.94]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G3U00EC30QUUT@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:18:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:19:24 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] in need of a name To: Vern DeHaven , Glenn Gentzke , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <001101c04b6c$aa161920$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <002301c04937$76115450$adce1dd0@alaska> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Vern DeHaven" > > TOE>IN [DEX]>SAME IN [DEX]>OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL] > > Hey, > > Without the first pixie, the 3-add version's called a pixie opposite > clipper. Sounds like this is a double pixie opposite clipper, since the > list has a double pixie clipper using the set leg throughout (toe > same in > > same in > same clip). > > I hope this doesn't need a new name, I can't keep up as it is... > > Peace, > Vern I think people are getting carried away with naming. Not every move needs a name, only the ones that are used often. Things like terraging clipper, which is what you are talking about above, are cool but not in their prime usage right now. Want to change that? Go right ahead! If there is a move that not a lot of people can (or will) do and you can do really well, then go to a tournament and bust it. Bust it both sides... bust it from blur... to blur... bust it spinning, gryo, and upside down... bust it midstring... hell, bust it 4 times in a string. When you can do that, people will notice and their ears will be open when you suggest a name. I learned this the hard way so, I learned it well. Chances are, most moves you can think of have been shredded already. That isn't to say give up; if you think you can hit something new and beautiful, bring it to a tournament and, trust me, people will tell you if it is new or not. - Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops P.S. It would be funny if there was a move called "Hard". From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 10:58:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18289 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 10:58:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f63.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.63]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17181 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:44:34 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:43:43 -0800 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 00:43:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] move boasting,new set, the gremlin Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 13:43:43 NZDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2000 00:43:43.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[716C3710:01C04B78] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I managed to hit a nice new set yesterday,i'm sure its been done before.Its a pixie atomic/tapping set, toe in (dex) plant> op out( dex) plant>.... whatever you want to follow with.I thought gremlin was a cool name as they're radioactive (ie atomic) pixie sought of critters. Is there anyone else out there working on this set? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 11:04:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18347 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:04:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f178.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.178]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17659; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:04:30 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:03:39 -0800 Received: from 142.231.69.8 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 01:03:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.231.69.8] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: sam@footbag.org, freestyle_spaz@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Seattle Jam and Sick 10 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 01:03:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601c04b6a$f09cd340$9b66fea9@billy> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2000 01:03:39.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A425460:01C04B7B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, Sam wrote: >Don't hold it against Bryan. There a lot of people out there can talk the >talk but can't walk the walk (as they say). It's just funny when people >say, "I hit this!" and "I hit that!" and then when they get in a circle >they can't seem to hit it. I dont hold anything against Bryan. :) Thats the last time I gloat about a move. ha ha Also, I like the above comment about shredder's that are all talk. Its all about long strings too. Both sides...........mirror those moves!!! Later. Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 11:05:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18358 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:05:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f176.hotmail.com [216.32.181.176]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02637 for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:16:45 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:15:54 -0800 Received: from 129.93.213.15 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:15:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.213.15] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] kickers in Amsterdam Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 12:15:53 CST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2000 18:15:54.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DFCD010:01C04C0B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, are there any kickers out there in Amsterdam or the surrounding area? If so, email me personally please. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 11:06:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18370 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:06:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saturn.wwc.edu (IDENT:postfix@saturn.wwc.edu [199.236.178.1]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18874 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:18:53 -0800 Received: from student.wwc.edu (student.wwc [10.82.5.3]) by saturn.wwc.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 872DE7001B for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from WWC-Message_Server by student.wwc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:18:24 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:18:04 -0800 From: "Erik Engeberg" To: Subject: [freestyle] what about this? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id AAA17311 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Has anyone out there hit or tried to hit a move like paradox drifter swirl? I think that would be one of the coolest moves if done cleanly. Except for maybe blurry drifter swirl. -EdE From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 11:06:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18385 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:06:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web210.mail.yahoo.com (web210.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.110]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA21278 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 01:39:32 -0800 Received: (qmail 3105 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2000 09:39:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20001112093900.3104.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.27.1.133] by web210.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 01:39:00 PST Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 01:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Zerbe Subject: [freestyle] Jam in Seattle, Nov. 25-26 To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there Folks! Thought I'd drop in a say HOWDY! Just wanted to let all of you know that Pre-registration for the Jam in Seattle closes on Nov. 15th so sign up now while there's still time. For the love of God! --- Bryan Fournier wrote: > I think this Sick 10 contest is a good idea... > but you guys should post the rules and parameters > of the contest on steve G's page somewhere just > to get people familiar with it... I'm assuming > Eli and Alex have a pretty good idea of how it's > supposed to be run... just clue us in on it, cuz > it sounds pretty cutting edge... later on then... Okay Brian, Sorry it took my lazy ass so long to get aroung to soing this. You can check out the rules as I have them now at.... http://www.footbag.org/calendar/show/972535283 Just be sure to scroll down. If you have any suggestions PLEASE drop me an e-mail at zerbalicious@yahoo.com Hope to see you there! Alex Zerbe From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 12 11:51:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18471 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:51:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f198.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.198]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30859 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:43:56 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:43:04 -0800 Received: from 163.41.62.114 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:43:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [163.41.62.114] From: "Matt Baker" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] atomic duck in seattle!!!! Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 11:43:04 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2000 19:43:04.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[C62F5570:01C04CE0] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, I am writing all you freestylers to sign up for the freestyle jam in seattle over thanksgiving weekend. online regestration is cheaper and the deadline to regester online is like the 15th. If your in the west you should think about coming to this tournament it is going to rock!!! Also on another note my question was not answered about atomic ducking clipper and atomic ducking butterfly. Has anyone hit these ?????? I hit atomic ducking clipper and was really close to hitting aromic ducking/diving butterfly. I think it should be called supercallafragilisticexpealidocious. Just jokin!!! Seatlle owwwwwwwwwwww!!!! peace matt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 13:37:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21155 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:37:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11606 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:15:49 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.200.68]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G3Y00F2P8ZYVL@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:07:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 22:08:35 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] move boasting,new set, the gremlin To: jono heyes , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <001801c04d38$2846a680$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "jono heyes" > I managed to hit a nice new set yesterday,i'm sure its been done > before.Its a pixie atomic/tapping set, toe in (dex) plant> op out( dex) > plant>.... whatever you want to follow with.I thought gremlin was a > cool name as they're radioactive (ie atomic) pixie sought of critters. > Is there anyone else out there working on this set? A few days ago I was talking to Bryan Fournier about this idea. Fournier has an amazing atomic set so I suggested trying to pixie on the way up. I'm a bit skeptical, but if a pixie atomic set could be done cleanly, it would be pretty amazing and could possibly pave the road for another quad dex or two. Oh... and "gremlin"... what a genius name for the set. Good job Jono... Will you be coming to the Shred Symposium? I've got to see that! -Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops ps. WINTER SUCKS! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 13:36:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21145 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:36:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03692 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:53:53 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.198.238.87]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G3X00KOGRDURE@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:46:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:46:50 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] size 12 milleniums? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <004001c04d02$d4245c80$0100000a@local.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Can anyone sell me a pair of size 12 laver millenniums? I don't care if they are used, I really need them. Thanks! -Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 13:37:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21150 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:37:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from vcn.bc.ca (vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07369 for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:54:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA28670; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:54:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 18:54:21 -0800 (PST) From: Verhoef Anne To: Erik Engeberg cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] what about this? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Erik Engeberg wrote: > Has anyone out there hit or tried to hit a move like paradox drifter > swirl? I think that would be one of the coolest moves if done cleanly. > Except for maybe blurry drifter swirl. I've tried paradox drifter swirl but no dice. What move I've come close to hitting but haven't yet is frontside symposium Amadeus: like this clip>gyro spin>same symposium in out dex>op out in dex>op clip. I have a feeling I'll hit it next week sometime. Another cool move that's been on my mind is reverse swirling gyro whirl. Anybody hit this? Kenny Shults or Ahren maybe?? Adrian Verhoef -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 13:38:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21179 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:38:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f21.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21926 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:50:10 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:49:14 -0800 Received: from 63.212.130.94 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:49:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.212.130.94] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: engeer@wwc.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] what about this? Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:49:14 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2000 16:49:14.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[A79A7C50:01C04D91] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Erik Engeberg" wrote: >Has anyone out there hit or tried to hit a move like paradox drifter >swirl? I think that would be one of the coolest moves if done cleanly. >Except for maybe blurry drifter swirl. >-EdE No, but I've been working on legbeater swirl and pixie butterfly swirls, it really forces you to clean and perfect your swirls... until nex' time... ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 14:13:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21327 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:13:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29438 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:00:43 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001113220010.HXCZ3608.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:00:10 -0800 Message-ID: <3A10667F.C5E66BF7@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:09:03 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move boasting,new set, the gremlin References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org jono heyes wrote: > > I managed to hit a nice new set yesterday,i'm sure its been done before.Its > a pixie atomic/tapping set, toe in (dex) plant> op out( dex) plant>.... Yeah... I've seen this set a few times. Frank Gutowski hits a 'dasein' (pixie legbeater) using this set on http://dallasfootbag.org/multimedia/Other_Events/99worlds-a/FrankGutowski.html Look at 99frank02. It is a sweet move. > I thought gremlin was a cool name as > they're radioactive (ie atomic) pixie sought of critters. I haven't heard of a name for this set. Anyone have any objection to 'gremlin'? I guess some moves would be 'gremlin whirl', 'gremlin butterfly', etc. > Is there anyone else out there working on this set? Frank has been hitting it for at least a year and a half. I've also seen a few other people attempting it... a nice shred at yesterday's Texas State comes to mind... Anyway, cool set. The people who are hitting it should be naming it. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 22:51:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22395 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:51:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4601.mail.yahoo.com (web4601.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.156]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA30075 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:24:49 -0800 Message-ID: <20001113222357.25568.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.2.11.34] by web4601.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:23:57 PST Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:23:57 -0800 (PST) From: john kingi Subject: [freestyle] Names..... To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. Now I'm only tiltless and Ive only been kicking for about 7-8 months freestyle, so I'm not about to go laying down 'lores' and stuff but, to all new skoolers like myself I just want to say that pretty much anything you can think of from any set you can think of below about 4-5 even 6 add has been hit, just because its not on the move list doesn't mean it has never been done and therefor needs a name. Also taking an already existing move and changing its set/delay doesn't mean it needs a new name. Now I like fancy names as much as the next guy, but (and I've been guilty of this myself) I just get sick of reading things like.... toe>op out>out side does this have a name cause think sdfhjk would be a.... You get the idea. Just my opinion, any abuse please send privately. J (redeemer) P.S. To all those people receiving personal replies from me that look like they should have gone via free@footbag.org sorry, I forgot to change the reply address, I'm pretty tired and in lots of pain as my back is out so hopefully you'll understand. Later From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 22:51:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22406 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:51:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30491 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:31:30 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001113223059.ISLQ3608.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:30:59 -0800 Message-ID: <3A106DB8.58296985@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:39:52 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New tricks? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Andrew McCargar wrote: > > Has anyone seen, or heard the name for: > > double pickup caught on an inside? That is the name. Since the final delay doesn't change the name of a move (ie. clip=dragon=xbdy sole and toe=inside=outside), there isn't a special name for it. Please note that there are some common names in use for certain moves. Guay is the common name for a pickup caught on an inside. There are countless dragon moves that have been named (mostly by Jon "The Outsider" Schneider). Though these moves are all badass and I would count each of them as unique, there just isn't enough room on the move list for all possible variations of different moves. Anything that can be caught on a clipper can also be caught on any other type of cross-body delay. Anything that can be caught on a toe can also be caught on any other type of non-cross-body delay. That's a lot of moves... have fun hitting them all :) -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 22:53:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22422 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:53:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.87]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31798 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:09:02 -0800 Received: from c4720a ([24.178.207.137]) by femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001113230839.CZZE2350.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c4720a>; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:08:39 -0800 Message-ID: <001701c04dcf$910707e0$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> From: "Richard Reese" To: Cc: Subject: [freestyle] baby,genzu and life Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:12:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Great news to all, my wife and I are proud parents of a baby girl, Alexis Rose. She was born on nov. 8th at 6:57 p.m. This is so awesome! I don't have much freestyle to boast about of my own lately but my partner, Daryl (genzu) Genz is rockin' the house. He busted out 29 four-add tricks in a row with at least 15 uniques................. it was way sick. He hit smog to paradon swirl.....and he hit Mixleplick, the first time I've ever seen it hit . It is a reverse miraging ripwalk with a pivot. So, start with the left clipper, then rev. mirage with the right leg and plant the right foot, then do a left butterfly stall ending on the right clipper....sick again. I saw Tim Stikman Kelly do this move years ago without the pivot, but it looks much better with the pivot. We've been working on this move for a long-ass time so if anybody else can hit this move than power to ya and I hope you like the name. Daryl has really worked hard on his game and I give him MAD props for his shred. He also hit atom-smasher, atom-smasher, smog like it was nothing. He just missed this combo...... Blur,legbeater,paradox-legbeater,paradox-atom smasher,legbeater,paradox-legbeater,paradox atom-smasher. He'll be on that in a matter of weeks. Last one for Genzu, nucleosis to paradox flux just off his foot multiple times. I hadn't kicked in about a month and only three times since Worlds but I managed to hit Surge and Bigwalk last night (thanks Chad), I love that set. My props go out to James Risden and Allan Haggett as well for the crazy stuff they've been posting............ you guys, get the videos of yourselves and send them to somebody to put them on the next video. Keep shreddin' everyone, see you all at the Symposium. Later,Rippin'. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 13 23:24:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22599 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:24:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from LLIC.Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22596 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:24:27 -0800 Received: from adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.123.115]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10916 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:22:02 -0800 Received: (from bfk@localhost) by adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (8.11.1/8.11.1/Debian 8.11.0-6) id eAE7Lej25932 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:21:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 23:21:40 -0800 From: Brian Frederick Kimball To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Names..... Message-ID: <20001113232140.M25711@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> Mail-Followup-To: freestyle@footbag.org References: <20001113222357.25568.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001113222357.25568.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com>; from circle_lord@yahoo.com on Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 02:23:57PM -0800 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org John, this is a beautiful post. You have no idea how much time you just saved me. :-) brian, list moderator At 02:23 pm -0800 on November 13, 2000, john kingi wrote: > Hey all. > > Now I'm only tiltless and Ive only been kicking for > about 7-8 months freestyle, so I'm not about to go > laying down 'lores' and stuff but, to all new skoolers > like myself I just want to say that pretty much > anything you can think of from any set you can think > of > below about 4-5 even 6 add has been hit, just because > its not on the move list doesn't mean it has never > been done and therefor needs a name. > > Also taking an already existing move and changing its > set/delay doesn't mean it needs a new name. > Now I like fancy names as much as the next guy, but > (and I've been guilty of this myself) I just get sick > of reading things like.... toe>op out>out side does > this have a name cause think sdfhjk would be a.... > > You get the idea. > > Just my opinion, any abuse please send privately. > > J (redeemer) > > P.S. To all those people receiving personal replies > from me that look like they should have gone via > free@footbag.org sorry, I forgot to change the reply > address, I'm pretty tired and in lots of pain as my > back is out so hopefully you'll understand. > > Later > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 14 20:29:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24898 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:29:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-r03.mail.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24711 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 11:18:47 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id m.78.c9f3018 (4456); Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:17:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <78.c9f3018.2742e9ce@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:17:34 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] what about this? To: marigold@vcn.bc.ca, engeer@wwc.edu CC: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 11/13/00 4:54:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, marigold@vcn.bc.ca writes: << I've tried paradox drifter swirl but no dice. What move I've come close to hitting but haven't yet is frontside symposium Amadeus: like this clip>gyro spin>same symposium in out dex>op out in dex>op clip. I have a feeling I'll hit it next week sometime. Another cool move that's been on my mind is reverse swirling gyro whirl. Anybody hit this? Kenny Shults or Ahren maybe?? >> Haven't done paradox drifter swirl, which I guess would be paradox swifter. Big swirling tricks I have hit are gyro whirling swirl ('93 Michigan Xmas Jam tape), spinning butterfly swirl and spyro gyro (gyro butterfly swirl) which was also hit in the same session by Peter Irish and Rippin at one of the Heart of Footbag freestyle events in Portland, maybe '95 but I can't remember for sure. Along the lines of paradox swifter, a vortex swirl would be cool. Kenny Shults From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 14 20:31:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24911 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:31:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04245; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:18:20 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G4103V01I5V1P@clem.mscd.edu>; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:17:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:17:55 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] in need of a name In-reply-to: To: Glenn Gentzke Cc: Outsider@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Glenn Gentzke wrote: > A final clarifying note on the TOE>SAME IN>SAME IN>OP CLIP: > I've come somewhat close to hitting it, but so far i'm only doing pixie op > clippers with one dex. my friend jim has hit double pixie op > clippers...wait...that would be a terrage clipper! that's what it would be > caled since a terrage is double pixie...there ya go. mystery solved, i > think With or without the plant? With the plant I've been hitting this for over a year and I called it "Runestone" as "Tombstone" is the stepping version. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 14 20:31:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24922 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:31:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04452 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:24:19 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G4103V01IFWII@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:23:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:23:56 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] mouth stall?? In-reply-to: <3A08986E.45257D31@psu.edu> To: Kaiser Ahmad Cc: Joe Mckenna , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Kaiser Ahmad wrote: > Yo, I ain't down with that shit. I realize that you are saying that you are just > "picking it out of the air" and not catching it in your mouth, but that just > means that it'll take the creepy, crawly things now on your lips a little bit > longer to travel into your mouth. Man mouth stall has been around since I started playing "Hacky Sack" 15 years ago (god I feel old). I don't know about the health risks involved in full on sack lip service, but I'm sure it doesn't match up to HALF of the nasty cold, strepped, gingifide and herpafide lips you and the rest of us might kiss in our lifetimes. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 14 20:31:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24933 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:31:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04629 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:28:03 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G4103V01IM2PQ@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:27:38 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:27:38 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] move boasting,new set, the gremlin In-reply-to: To: jono heyes Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 11 Nov 2000, jono heyes wrote: > I managed to hit a nice new set yesterday,i'm sure its been done before.Its > a pixie atomic/tapping set, toe in (dex) plant> op out( dex) plant>.... > whatever you want to follow with.I thought gremlin was a cool name as > they're radioactive (ie atomic) pixie sought of critters. > Is there anyone else out there working on this set? Now I don't want to talk out my @ss but I'm 99.9% sure that Sunil has hit pixie eggbeater which is pixie atomic legover in longhand. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 14 20:32:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24944 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:32:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04710 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:30:37 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G4103V01IQEUM@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:30:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:30:14 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] move boasting,new set, the gremlin In-reply-to: <3A10667F.C5E66BF7@dallasfootbag.org> To: Derric Scalf Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Derric Scalf wrote: > Yeah... I've seen this set a few times. Frank Gutowski hits a 'dasein' > (pixie legbeater) using this set on > http://dallasfootbag.org/multimedia/Other_Events/99worlds-a/FrankGutowski.html > Look at 99frank02. It is a sweet move. It's a SWEET move but it's more Toe Shooting than pixie atomic. So with this in mind I make my bid for "tooting set" YEEE HAAHHHH!!! Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 14 21:06:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24989 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:06:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12084 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:57:37 -0800 Received: from integer.psu.edu (tnt3-15-191.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.191]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA70664 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:57:11 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001114235454.00b381b0@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:56:12 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: Re: [freestyle] move boasting,new set, the gremlin In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Kaplan wrote: > Now I don't want to talk out my @ss but I'm 99.9% sure that Sunil has >hit pixie eggbeater which is pixie atomic legover in longhand. I know for sure that Ken Somolinos has hit this as well, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Regulator's laid claim as well. Integer of P.S.T. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 16 14:41:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29324 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:41:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f143.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.143]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02328 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:33:27 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:32:28 -0800 Received: from 199.249.158.70 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:32:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.249.158.70] From: "pete irish" To: KenShults@aol.com, marigold@vcn.bc.ca, engeer@wwc.edu Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] what about this? Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:32:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <78.c9f3018.2742e9ce@aol.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2000 22:32:28.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFBEE980:01C04F53] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In regards to paradox swifter, if Im not mistaken a few years back Pogo paradox swifter was hit by the great Tuan Vu, Im not sure where or when, but Im pretty sure he did it. Pete Kenny Shults wrote: >In a message dated 11/13/00 4:54:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, >marigold@vcn.bc.ca writes: > ><< I've tried paradox drifter swirl but no dice. What move I've come close > to hitting but haven't yet is frontside symposium Amadeus: like this > clip>gyro spin>same symposium in out dex>op out in dex>op clip. I have a > feeling I'll hit it next week sometime. Another cool move that's been on > my mind is reverse swirling gyro whirl. Anybody hit this? Kenny Shults or > Ahren maybe?? > >> > >Haven't done paradox drifter swirl, which I guess would be paradox swifter. >Big swirling tricks I have hit are gyro whirling swirl ('93 Michigan Xmas >Jam tape), spinning butterfly swirl and spyro gyro (gyro butterfly swirl) >which was also hit in the same session by Peter Irish and Rippin at one of >the Heart of Footbag freestyle events in Portland, maybe '95 but I can't >remember for sure. Along the lines of paradox swifter, a vortex swirl would >be cool. > >Kenny Shults From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 16 14:42:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29334 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:42:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1302.mail.yahoo.com (web1302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.152]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA07094 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:40:41 -0800 Received: (qmail 8020 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2000 00:40:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20001116004013.8019.qmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.81.16.189] by web1302.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:40:13 PST Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:40:13 -0800 (PST) From: ERiC WiNDSoR Subject: [freestyle] NEW SHRED VIDEO OUT!!!!!!! To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: footbag@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello fellow footbaggers, There is a brand new video out displaying some of the sickest talent from Worlds 2000 and Heinous private Jams that took place after Westerns. The video is called WHIRLED SHRED and is now available to the public. Some stars are: The Torch Regulator Big Add Tsunami Rippin Enforcer Executioner Shred On Genzu Intergalactic Toby1 Wicked Outsider Iceman and more! The video also contains The 45 second shred event, Finals Open Routines, and other amusing and entertaining footage from Worlds 2000. It is about 90 minutes long. To order please send $10 plus $2 shipping to: Eric Windsor 12025 Larkspur Ln. Grass Valley CA 95949 Enjoy WHIRLED SHRED!!!! If you would like my other video JUST SHRED added to your order please send an extra $5. -Windsor P.S. I heard ELI's new video is gonna be the BOMB so look out for that one soon! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 16 14:55:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29479 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:55:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from LLIC.Market.NET (market.net [140.174.206.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29476 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:55:51 -0800 Received: from adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.123.115]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02732 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:53:18 -0800 Received: (from bfk@localhost) by adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (8.11.1/8.11.1/Debian 8.11.0-6) id eAGMqrt27714 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:52:53 -0800 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:52:53 -0800 From: Brian Frederick Kimball To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] NEW SHRED VIDEO OUT!!!!!!! Message-ID: <20001116145253.C27639@adsl-63-195-123-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net> Mail-Followup-To: freestyle@footbag.org References: <20001116004013.8019.qmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001116004013.8019.qmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com>; from foot_bag@yahoo.com on Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 04:40:13PM -0800 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Oops, I accidently sent this twice (more or less). For those who got it twice: sorry! brian, list moderator At 04:40 pm -0800 on November 15, 2000, ERiC WiNDSoR wrote: > Hello fellow footbaggers, > > There is a brand new video out displaying some of the > sickest talent from Worlds 2000 and Heinous private > Jams that took place after Westerns. [snip] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 16 15:03:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29557 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:03:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f180.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.180]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07412 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:47:55 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:47:01 -0800 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:47:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: integer@psu.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move boasting,new set, the gremlin Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:47:01 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20001114235454.00b381b0@email.psu.edu> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2000 00:47:01.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB89C280:01C04F66] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Some thoughts and observations on the pixie atomic set: Frank Gutowski was hitting pixie legbeater and pixie atom since at least April of 1999. He does them like a toe-shoot, the vid on dallasfootbag is worth checking out to see what I mean. >Brad Kaplan wrote: > >> Now I don't want to talk out my @ss but I'm 99.9% sure that Sunil has >>hit pixie eggbeater which is pixie atomic legover in longhand. I know Sunil has hit pixie legbeater, and from what I've heard the set doesn't look like a toe shoot. I haven't seen it though. I have seen him hit pixie eggbeater, he hits one on Eric Windsor's tape Just Shred. It looks like a pixie set followed by an eggbeater, so the set only involves the first dex, and not the first two. Alex Faber wrote: >I know for sure that Ken Somolinos has hit this (pixie eggbeater) as well, I've hit smudge and pixie eggbeater using a pixie set, that is to say that the first dex is a pixie set, and whatever follows is one motion. On Shred Alert I hit a pixie tap as well as pixie legbeater using a pixie atomic set. I don't think my pixie atomic set looks like a toe shoot, but the first two dexes are definitely part of a set. Speaking of Shred Alert and Pixie eggbeater, Sebastien Duchesne hits one of these on the tape as well. Alex continued: >I wouldn't be surprised if the Regulator's laid claim as well. Hahahaha! That really cracked me up. My friend Mickey Mayer and I have been hard at work on a tape of Worlds 2000, which should be coming out pretty soon. On it Ryan begins one of his strings with: Bedwetter-smear-smog-smear-smudge-pixie eggbeater. Yeah, you could say Ryan's "laid claim" on the move. :-) As for the name Gremlin, I don't like it. I think it should be named after me somehow. Me me me! OK fine, Gremlin works. Keep shredding hard everybody! Ken CF Somolinos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 16 21:55:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30804 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:55:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f239.hotmail.com [216.32.181.239]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18328 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:48:19 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:47:20 -0800 Received: from 216.123.135.251 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 05:47:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.123.135.251] Reply-To: TheMouse@footbag.org From: "Mickey Mayer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Video news Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:47:20 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2000 05:47:20.0805 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA1D7950:01C05059] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello fellow freestylers, Just wanted to mention that there are four more "Shred Alert" videos on Montreal's freestyle website, maintained by "Fat" Dan Cardonne. (and of course 12 of them on dalladfootbag.org) Also, there are two videos of Sebastien Duchesne and Yacine Merzouk shredding it up at the Funtastik tourney. Please be warned that the website isn't as fast as footbag.org or dallasfootbag.org and that it typically runs at 15k/s. Montreal Freestyle Association website: affq.dyndns.org Enjoy, Mickey Mayer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 16 22:22:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30854 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:22:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18600 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:08:38 -0800 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:07:11 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:02:04 -0800 Message-ID: <01C05018.DABB0260.ewulff@jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: [freestyle] atomic vs. eggbeater Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:02:03 -0800 Organization: JSI SHIPPING X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Brad & all... Brad said... >Now I don't want to talk out my @ss but I'm 99.9% sure that Sunil has >hit pixie eggbeater which is pixie atomic legover in longhand. Not really anything atomic about an eggbeater. Same reason there is nothing blurry/stepping about a DLO. Pixie eggbeater is better broken down as pixie, op-reverse mirage, legover. Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 17 23:00:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00711 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:00:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.155]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25104 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 03:28:26 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 03:27:32 -0800 Received: from 128.214.84.159 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:27:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.214.84.159] From: "Samuli Viitanen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] BAP members Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:27:32 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2000 11:27:32.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[604944D0:01C05089] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi freestylers! I've got a simple question: Could it be possible that someone on this list (perhaps Steve or Derric) could post a list of all BAP members (+ their nicknames, of course:) to me or to the list? I'd just like to know this because I'm not aware of that how many people and who are BAP members so I'd really be grateful if my request could be answered. Thanks!!! Keep kicking! -Samuli Viitanen -finnishredder@footbag.org ps. winter doesn't suck!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 17 23:00:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00716 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:00:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28503 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:27:16 -0800 Received: from sammy ([199.172.153.124]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001117152052.DUAK20831.ewey.excite.com@sammy> for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:20:52 -0800 Message-ID: <10983171.974474452581.JavaMail.imail@sammy> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:20:52 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Davidson To: Freestyle Mailing List Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Name and some boasting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.107.90.78 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! > From: "Alexander Faber" > > clip > up hoop > duck [bod] > down hoop > op clip [xbd] [del] > > where up (down) hoop stand for a hooping motion with the arms where the > > bag passes up through the arms (down through the arms). > > So after I hit this, I decided it should be appropriately named > > hoop-warrior. Any objections? Only that those moves are not "hooping" but "Threading". FYI, "hooping" is a terminology already used in team freestyle referring to the your partners leg over your set. So I would say "Threading-Warrior". There are up-threads and down-treads, but I don't think anyone cares to microanalyze this that far yet. Also, if you thread the bag through your fingers, it is called a "Lautt." Read on. On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:35:30 -0700, Sam Colclough wrote: > First of all, not that many people hoop so there isn't notation for it. > Second, if you want to ask a specific hooping question ask Scott Davidson > since it is his brainchild. And just to set the record straight, this is NOT my brainchild, but that of the great-one: Gary Lautt (sp?) from California. He goes back to the very first days of freestyle. I have always believed his style is timeless, and I have applied some of his (upperbody) moves into todays extreme tricks. That is all. If we could arrange huge NBA-type halftime demos, I still believe that we could put Gary out there and his magnetic personality, grace and style would say to the world everything wonderful that we want portray what footbag is, probably better so than shredders or the netters could. Anyway, I just wanted to set the record straght on Threading. Thanks. Scott Davidson enlightener@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 17 23:01:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00735 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:01:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from user ([24.70.195.10]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001117232948.YLBT1559.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@user> for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:29:48 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c050ee$c8ca17e0$0ac34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Allan Haggett" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] what about this? Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:33:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whoa there PETER IRISH!! You think you can just waltz right into this discussion group without so much as a "hey, I'm Peter Irish 5 time(consecutive) World Freestyle Footbag Champion, all-around-good-guy and SHREDDER extraordinaire" AND GET AWAY WITH IT????? I just went through the archives(yes, I'm slacking at work:)) and I believe this to be the first time you've posted. Very cool :) (Am I wrong?) but welcome to the chaos anyway :) >>In regards to paradox swifter, if I'm not mistaken a few years back Pogo >>paradox swifter was hit by the great Tuan Vu, I'm not sure where or when, >>but I'm pretty sure he did it. DAMN!! you know, as I was searching through the archives I stumbled across [more than]a few postings that I found interesting and read..... Ahren Gerhman hitting scorpion-tail-swirl in 1996?? holy shit! *late* props on that one, Ahren. Tu Vu, you're on the list aren't you? Did your Bro hit this 'ish[pogo-prdx-swifter]? Tuan even? So, Peter, hit anything new recently?? Allan K.H. http://memers.home.com/freestylefootbag PS new videos available at the above address SOON! I'm'a actually post a string of moves instead of one at a time!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 20 22:35:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04811 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:35:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by LLIC.Market.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01921 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:16:58 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G4808801R7L90@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:16:33 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:16:33 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] atomic vs. eggbeater In-reply-to: <01C05018.DABB0260.ewulff@jsishipping.com> To: Eric Wulff Cc: "'freestyle'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Eric Wulff wrote: > Not really anything atomic about an eggbeater. Same reason there is > nothing blurry/stepping about a DLO. Pixie eggbeater is better broken down > as pixie, op-reverse mirage, legover. I'd have to disagree. I hit my eggbeaters the same way Brian Mckenzie (for example) does. Chad calls it an "eggplant" because it's that hippie set instead of the traditional leggie style of eggbeater. As I know it, Atomic is defined as a toe set reverse mirage followed by a dex or movement by the opposite side of the body. So whether it's hippie or leggie style wise, it's still atomic. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 20 22:38:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04825 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:38:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f154.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.154]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15379 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:46:45 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:46:14 -0800 Received: from 163.41.62.130 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:46:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [163.41.62.130] From: "Matt Baker" To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 11:46:14 PST Subject: [freestyle] jam in Seattle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2000 19:46:14.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[605A2640:01C05261] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey fellow footbaggers, next weekeend it is the freeeeeestyle jam in seattle!!! It is going to rock!! If you live anywhere somewhat ramotely near to this tournament you should show up and support the sport. It is going to be worth the trip and effort to come. So come shred come juggle or come watch but show up!! See ya next weekend. Peace matt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 20 22:40:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04845 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:40:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1701.mail.yahoo.com (web1701.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.212]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22719 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:44:19 -0800 Received: (qmail 17585 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Nov 2000 00:44:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20001120004418.17584.qmail@web1701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.254.191.108] by web1701.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:44:18 PST Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:44:18 -0800 (PST) From: Shaun Marques Subject: [freestyle] Symp. Whirls To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, I've been trying to hit symposium whirls, and.. I can't get them. Any advice on how high to set it, and whatnot, the basics?.. I keep watching Tricks of the Trade and am still constantly amazed by it. It seems like an interesting move to have in my arsenal. Thanks, and much appreciation. Piece, Shaun M. PS: Whatnot with the move boasting, it's not much, but I hit eggbeater > eggbeater > butterfly > osis > whirl, yesterday. Go Me. :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 20 22:44:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04856 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:44:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15065 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:37:31 -0800 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:36:28 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:31:19 -0800 Message-ID: <01C05306.EE4CE5A0.ewulff@jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Cc: "'Brad Kaplan'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] atomic vs. eggbeater Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:31:18 -0800 Organization: JSI SHIPPING X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Brad & all... Brad said... >As I know it, Atomic is defined as a toe set reverse mirage followed by a >dex or movement by the opposite side of the body. So whether it's hippie >or leggie style wise, it's still atomic. Okay, the dexes go in the same direction. That doesn't make them reverse mirages. I knew how to do reverse mirage & eggbeater for YEARS but it helped me ZERO with my atomic set. These are different ingredients for moves. Do you jump over the bag to do your dex's or swivel/pivot around it? Do you "set the bag" and "then do your dex" or do you "do your dex while you're setting"? I consider atomic legover and eggbeater unique moves. You link one to the other and they certainly look unique. What is unique about them?... in one the 1st out in dex is atomic(within the set) and in the other it's reverse mirage(the dex is part of the body of the move). You can't do much out of a reverse mirage but you can do lots out of an atomic set. blah... blah... blah Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 20 22:45:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04867 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:45:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Chad Devlahovich Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22123 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:40:59 -0800 Received: from BigAddChad@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.33.) id z.8.c6bad71 (4220) for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:40:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8.c6bad71.274b56c2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:40:34 EST Subject: [freestyle] Flurricane To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 64 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Flurricane = Gyro Flurry :) Chad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 20 23:12:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05042 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:12:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24113 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:08:38 -0800 Received: from nilenet.com (slip143.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.166]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/09072000-01) with ESMTP id AAA01395; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:08:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A1A1F1B.1563975D@nilenet.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:07:07 -0700 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Baker , "freestyle@footbag.org" , jim penske Subject: Re: [freestyle] jam in Seattle References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Baker wrote: > hey fellow footbaggers, > next weekeend it is the freeeeeestyle jam in seattle!!! It is going to > rock!! If you live anywhere somewhat ramotely near to this tournament you > should show up and support the sport. It is going to be worth the trip and > effort to come. So come shred come juggle or come watch but show up!! See ya > next weekend. Peace matt Or if you live anywhere en route between northern Wyoming and Seattle (or your name is Jim and you can find some way to get to Bozeman Montanna) then you can get a ride there from Sunny and me. We'll be leaving from Gillette Wyoming on Thanksgiving day. Email me ASAP if your interested in a ride! Daryl From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 21 01:24:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05226 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:24:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25659 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:03:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA85798; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:03:33 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:03:33 -0800 (PST) From: Sunil Subhash Jani To: Chad Devlahovich cc: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Flurricane In-Reply-To: <8.c6bad71.274b56c2@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Flurricane = Gyro Flurry :) > SICKEST MOVE EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the Esjay From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 21 22:58:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07166 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:58:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00478 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:13:05 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.200.235]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G4D00BIH51F5F@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for Freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:05:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:07:15 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] Flurricane To: Chad Devlahovich , Freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <001801c05389$adc57dc0$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <8.c6bad71.274b56c2@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Amazing! OOPS! RULEZ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Devlahovich" To: Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:40 PM Subject: [freestyle] Flurricane > Flurricane = Gyro Flurry :) > > > Chad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 21 22:58:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07171 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:58:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04759 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:27:28 -0800 Received: (qmail 27295 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Nov 2000 18:27:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20001121182726.27294.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20001120004418.17584.qmail@web1701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.30.59] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:27:26 PST Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:27:26 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symp. Whirls To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Shaun Marques wrote: > PS: Whatnot with the move boasting, it's not much, but > I hit eggbeater > eggbeater > butterfly > osis > > whirl, yesterday. Go Me. :) Go you!!! That's ph-ph-at!! Couple days ago I sealed blurry drifter> blurry whirl> pdx torque> pdx symp whirl....On tape!!! YAY Later, James From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 21 23:10:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07221 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:10:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11414 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:14:28 -0800 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:13:23 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:08:12 -0800 Message-ID: <01C053CC.DD7C0460.ewulff@jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: <8.c6bad71.274b56c2@aol.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Flurricane Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:08:10 -0800 Organization: JSI SHIPPING X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Flurricane = Gyro Flurry :) Chad so styleee Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 21 23:11:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07232 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:11:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11691 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:28:49 -0800 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:27:47 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:22:34 -0800 Message-ID: <01C053CE.DFCD0E60.ewulff@jsishipping.com> In-Reply-To: From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Flurricane Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:22:33 -0800 Organization: JSI SHIPPING X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org eSJAY wrote... >SICKEST MOVE EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now now... Although Flurricane is an esthetically pleasing move with a really keen name, I doubt if it hovers above all sickness as the sickest move ever. This is not mere opinion mind you. It is based on a large body of data which myself and a team of "freestyle micro analyzers"... micro analyzed. Our findings rejected an earlier opinion of mine which was that Pete's 3 ball/3 bag juggle was not the sickest move ever. The theory that Pete' 6 ball/bag juggleramafest was the sickest move ever, proposed by the Enforcer, was heavily supported by our study. Although it is not the sickest move ever "by far". Very close behind was Ed Oralndos's "typhoon" made famous by "Dancer" Matt Churney(spinning wildly with bag on toe). eRiC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 21 23:11:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07243 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:11:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12113 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:45:50 -0800 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:46:19 -0500 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA881D2240@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] X-mas in Philly Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:46:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all- Just a quick note to tell you all to try to keep your calendars open for 12/30/00. I talked to Eric Wulff, and Kenny Shults, and heard a rumor about some others (Sunil, Jon Schneider), and it appears we will be having a shred session on that date to close out the year. The jam will be held near my place outside of Philly (like the Philly Open, SMURF, and other smaller jams) and should cap an amazing year for east coast footbag. We've seen a lot of new interest, rekindled interest (cough.. Kenny), a tiny TV coverage, on and on and on... so let's do this and keep the ball (err bag) rolling! I'm interested to find out who all might attend so that I can decide between the two sites I have in mind, and to determine if some hotel discounts should be hunted down (or whether floor space will do the trick)... SO, please drop me a mail if you're even considering making it-- please send mail to rieferman@footbag.org. OK, I'll post more details on the events page and write back in awhile to keep you all posted. Shred on. Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 21 23:16:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07254 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:16:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f11.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.11]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16490 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:55:29 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:54:58 -0800 Received: from 211.117.39.56 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 02:54:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.117.39.56] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] atomic vs. eggbeater Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 02:54:57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01C05306.EE4CE5A0.ewulff@jsishipping.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2000 02:54:58.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[99BEFA80:01C0542F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad said... > >As I know it, Atomic is defined as a toe set reverse mirage followed by a > >dex or movement by the opposite side of the body. So whether it's hippie > >or leggie style wise, it's still atomic. Eric Wulff (the bionic man) wrote: >Okay, the dexes go in the same direction. That doesn't make them reverse >mirages. ... You link one to the other and they certainly look unique. >What is unique about them?... in one the 1st out in dex is atomic(within >the set) and in the other it's reverse mirage(the dex is part of the body >of the move). And I add: It's all about a plant. Eggbeater is all done in one motion so you don't plant the first dex leg till you've just about caught the leg over. WIth atomic leg over you've already planted before the second dex, making it two motions. Are they unique? I sure think so. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 21 23:17:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07265 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 23:17:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp3.vol.cz (smtp3.vol.cz [195.250.128.83]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09601 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:57:07 -0800 Received: from farkan (dateld-114.dialup.vol.cz [212.20.106.114]) by smtp3.vol.cz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA89825 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:56:25 +0100 (CET) X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <200011212256240540.00C2A465@smtp.volny.cz> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.00.03.02 (3) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:56:24 +0100 From: =?WINDOWS-1250?Q?=22Vojta_Pol=E1k=22?= To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Any surging video? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="WINDOWS-1250" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey! Is there any video on the net with the surging set? I bet I'm not the only one, who would like to see it. P.S. Flurricane? ... AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrgh.... *S*I*C*K* :) Moglum From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 22 05:39:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA07844 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:39:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-r11.mail.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26640 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 05:28:12 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.33.) id n.41.3c51fc4 (4211); Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:27:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41.3c51fc4.274d23c9@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <01C053CE.DFCD0E60.ewulff@jsishipping.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:27:37 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Flurricane To: ewulff@jsishipping.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I feel like credit is due to some even earlier practitioners of the "Typhoon". Greg Gwynn and Mike Bloomer did this trick back in the '84 - '85 era. Mike performed a particularly difficult version of the Typhoon with the bag stalled on the back of his neck and his arms held artfully out to the sides as if he was about to take flight. And don't forget Jack Schoolcraft's rendition of this trick which usually involved some mystical hand gestures. There was also the great Mik Harding's spoof of this trick performed in Worlds competition in the mid '80s and involving a footbag secured to the foot by way of a length of fishing line. Kenny Shults From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 24 20:10:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13237 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:10:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27428 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 06:38:59 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.201.8]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G4F002PNKKREJ@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 06:36:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 06:38:06 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] Any surging video? To: =?WINDOWS-1250?Q?Vojta_Pol=E1k?= , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <002501c05491$d4259dc0$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1250 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <200011212256240540.00C2A465@smtp.volny.cz> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vojta Polįk" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 1:56 PM Subject: [freestyle] Any surging video? > Hey! > Is there any video on the net with the surging set? I bet I'm not the only > one, who would like to see it. > > P.S. > > Flurricane? > ... > AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrgh.... > *S*I*C*K* :) > > Moglum I guess now is a good time to advertise. I am currently working on a video entitled Bust Out Now. It contains footage from worlds 2000, the labor day shred in San Diego, and quite a few OOPS! sessions. I plan to have the video be somewhere between 45 mins and an hour. It will probably be finished some time after all these thanksgiving jams that are being held. It is pretty cool in my opinion. Anyway I'm sure there is some surging footage on it :c). Chad being OOPS and all. That guy's SICKKKKKKKKKK! Also I updated the OOPS! page so if you want to see who was responsible for the club and all. Go check out the members alumni section. Happy shredding! Skool good... School bad! Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 24 20:11:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13242 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:11:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu (ucsub.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.12]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28487 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:01:40 -0800 Received: (from schneija@localhost) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.10.0/8.10.0/ITS-5.0/standard) id eAMG1L507634; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:01:21 -0700 (MST) From: SCHNEIDER JONATHAN ASHER Message-Id: <200011221601.eAMG1L507634@ucsub.colorado.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] X-mas in Philly To: RoRiefer@ikon.com (Riefer, Robert) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:01:21 -0700 (MST) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA881D2240@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> from "Riefer, Robert" at Nov 21, 2000 06:46:16 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, An end of the year shred in Philly? I've been looking foward to that all year! I'll be there with bells on. And thanks in advance to everyone who helps make this happen. Jonathan Schneider Outsider@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 24 20:12:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13257 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:12:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02643 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:15:59 -0800 Received: from sammy ([199.172.153.124]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001122211524.AGH9267.fortune.excite.com@sammy> for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:15:24 -0800 Message-ID: <7181959.974927724442.JavaMail.imail@sammy> In-Reply-To: <01C053CE.DFCD0E60.ewulff@jsishipping.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:15:24 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Davidson To: "'freestyle'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Flurricane Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.107.90.78 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:22:33 -0800, Eric Wulff wrote: > sickest move ever "by far". Very close behind was Ed Oralndos's > "typhoon" made famous by "Dancer" Matt Churney(spinning wildly with > bag on toe). A note to all you churney fans. Spider Matt was recently spotted on local tv (WGN TV9) in Chicago shredding up a storm (loose interpretation)... how did he do it? Opportunity knocked in the form of a food drive. He heard about a pro football player sponsored food drive for poor people, he raided his cupboards and brought a donation to the studios while they were airing the morning news... they had a camera outside, and live broadcast inside, my guess is he just hung out and kicked until they put him on tv. Under the guise of "All exposure is good exposure", I would encourage the rest of you to do the same (not the forward roll, but the kicking at food drives on tv). Be creative, we are but a drop in the bucket of "Wacky News", but we are what we are, and cameras love us. Raid the fridge. Have fun in Seattle everyone! Keep shredding! See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 24 20:12:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13270 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:12:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 13217 invoked by uid 0); 22 Nov 2000 21:23:27 -0000 Received: from blndi4-145-253-076-107.arcor-ip.net (HELO quarktasche) (145.253.76.107) by mail.gmx.net (mail04) with SMTP; 22 Nov 2000 21:23:27 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c054ca$440243e0$6b4cfd91@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] BAP members Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:22:04 +0100 Organization: Schmidt Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Good morning, Samuli wrote..... > Could it be possible that someone on this list (perhaps Steve or Derric) > could post a list of all BAP members (+ their nicknames, of course:) to me > or to the list? And I write: Hahahaha! Nice try, Samuli ;o)! This question has been asked billions of times, and has anybody ever seen it been answered? No, they are a conspiracy, willing to stay incognito and inclined to create myths and tales about their true identities. Maybe they are the outriders of an alien invasion or the next bolshevik revolution.... who knows... -the truth is out there (and not in this mail)- Matthias................ >ps. winter doesn't suck!!! IT DOES! (but I know you Finns are used to living in a refrigerator...) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 24 20:14:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13281 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:14:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA15628 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:31:33 -0800 Received: (qmail 22093 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2000 06:31:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20001123063128.22092.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.77] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:31:28 PST Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:31:28 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symp. Whirls To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Fabian Kollakowski wrote: > > then put it up on your page > :) > fab Here it is, it's a short run but it starts with blurry drifter> blurry whirl> pdx torque> ps whirl...enjoy :) http://www.geocities.com/cloudriz/jamezrisden.mpg Bye, James Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 24 20:16:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13292 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:16:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f309.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.187]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17110 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:54:13 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:53:39 -0800 Received: from 128.214.152.156 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:53:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.214.152.156] From: "Samuli Viitanen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] BAP members Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:53:39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2000 07:53:39.0919 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E18FDF0:01C05522] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone! I asked for a list of all BAP members a few days ago and Rippin' kindly replied. Here's the hot list for y'all shredders! -Samuli Viitanen -finnishredder@footbag.org >From: "Richard Reese" >To: "Samuli Viitanen" >Subject: Re: [freestyle] BAP members >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:04:51 -0800 > >Hello Samuli, Rippin' Rick here. I am going to give you a list of current >BAP members and people who are on the brink of making the posse. Here goes. >First there were 7. Joey Shaffer (Za Za)(inactive) Dimitri (celsone) >(inactive), Dennis Jones(D-money) (inactive), Kenny Shults (enforcer), Rick >Reese (Rippin), Peter Irish (Executioner),Tim Kelly (Stikman) (inactive), >Then there were 7 more added in 1994 and 1995..... They are Eric >Wulff(Ironman), Greg Nelson(G.F. Smoothie),Josh Casey (Chizzler) >(inactive), >Steve Kremer (Kosmo) (inactive),Tuan Vu(Disco Ninja),Paul Munger (Hu >Mungus)(inactive), Scott Davidson (High-Enlightener), Then the rest came >rollin' in. Theres no particular order to these except for the last few. >Daryl Genz(genzu), Ryan Mulroney (the Regulator),Ahren Gehrman (the >Torch),Eli Piltz (Intergalactic),Kyle Crawford(Kung-Fu),Tu Vu (Tu Huge), >Dave Holton (Highlander), Noah Dubreil (Merlin),Brian McKenzie >(Kamikenzie), >Ethan Husted (Red Shred Fred Husted),Eric Windsor (Wicked), Sunil Jani >(Tsunami), Chad Devlahovich (Big-Add Chad), Carol Wedemeyer- Wulff (not >sure >of nickname), Mika Koistinen (Iceman),Jonathon Schneider (Jedi), Lon Smith >(Shred-on Lon), and last but not least, inducted this year at Worlds,Toby >Robinson (Tobi-one kenobi). This brings the total up to 32 and >counting. People on the bubble are, Ken Somolinos, Adrian Dick, Forrest >Shroud, Juston Sexton, Allen Haggett, and so many more it's not even funny. >I always say,the more the merrier, There's power in numbers, so keep >shredding, Long live Footbag Freestyle. :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 24 20:20:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13305 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:20:19 -0800 Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01887 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:29:41 -0800 Received: from riemann.math.psu.edu (riemann.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.200]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12282 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (faber@localhost) by riemann.math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17950 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:29:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: riemann.math.psu.edu: faber owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:29:33 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Faber To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Thansgiving wishes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up shred community? At the insistence of Penn State Trio member Scott Bevier, I am passing along his holiday wishes. Scott says, "Happy Torquey Day!" Kaiser and I would like to point out that we provided no support to this pun, or any of his other indulgences. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Shred on. Be thankful for our sport. Best wishes, Alex (Integer, of P.S.T.) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 24 20:27:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13321 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:27:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web9008.mail.yahoo.com (web9008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.170]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA05163 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:38:15 -0800 Message-ID: <20001124033743.95264.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.233.72.2] by web9008.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:37:43 PST Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:37:43 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Wilson Subject: [freestyle] What's This? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm trying to figure out what this is. Toe set, op dex(out), bail to osis. It's like a buttlerfly/blender. I couldn't find it on the move list. Does anyone know what this is called, and is it 3 or 4 adds? Thanks, mike ===== Ft. Worth Hackaholics Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 26 00:41:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15319 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 00:41:34 -0800 Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05962 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:17:02 -0800 Received: from hasse.math.psu.edu (hasse.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.224]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01070 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (faber@localhost) by hasse.math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20940 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:17:00 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hasse.math.psu.edu: faber owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:17:00 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Faber To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's This? In-Reply-To: <20001124033743.95264.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Michael Wilson wrote: > I'm trying to figure out what this is. Toe set, op > dex(out), bail to osis. Michael, This could go a couple different ways depending on the specifics of your execution. If you are planting your foot after the reverse mirage dex, then this is a tapping osis. If not, then it probably looks like a refraction. Shred on, Alex (Integer of P.S.T.) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 26 00:41:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15324 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 00:41:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07170 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:35:09 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001125183503.HAVR25162.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:35:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3A200879.F1782341@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:44:09 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's This? References: <20001124033743.95264.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Michael Wilson wrote: > > I'm trying to figure out what this is. Toe set, op > dex(out), bail to osis. It depends on which osis you bail to. Toe > op out > op osis = flux (4 adds) Toe > op out > same osis = dyno (4 adds) I'm guessing that you are doing a dyno. Usually, dynos are done in a reverse-whirling style (dex motion coming from the knee). But, since you are describing it as a butterfly-type motion, you could be doing a corkscrew. I'm not sure exactly how to describe a corkscrew... the dexterity is not usually very well defined. Either way, cool move. Show it to me next time we shred. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 26 00:41:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15314 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 00:41:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4601.mail.yahoo.com (web4601.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.156]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA01355 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 01:43:15 -0800 Message-ID: <20001125094245.27635.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20001120004418.17584.qmail@web1701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.167.144.118] by web4601.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 01:42:45 PST Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 01:42:45 -0800 (PST) From: john kingi Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symp. Whirls To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, --- Shaun Marques wrote: > PS: Whatnot with the move boasting, it's not much, but > I hit eggbeater > eggbeater > butterfly > osis > > whirl, yesterday. Go Me. :) Hey man, phat string. I think Atomic and "sub" atomic moves rock, I think legbeater is one of my favourite looking moves, after seeing Adrain Dicks Tapping Paradon I'd have to say that I don't think it will be to long before he hits tapping paradon swirl??? Anyway > PS: Whatnot with the move boasting, it's not much, > but... I read moves like Flurricane, Scorpions tail-swirl and ducking-diving paradox symposium gyro wirling swirling stomping crossbody refridgeration unit with double over head cams and I get completely blown away, so its good to hear about people hitting moves that i can comprehend. I'm currently working on egg and leg-beater as well as a move I think is called double over-swish... I treat it more like a fairy-dino so I'm not sure if that alters the name? Toe>same out>same out>(back)spin>same clip. If I can get this undercontrol I'd like to try and hit it Atomic. Just out of curiousity has any one ever hit an atomic double over-swish before? Anyway, later. Johnny (redeemer) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 26 00:42:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15344 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 00:42:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G4L01001T8EWQ@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:29:03 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:29:02 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] BAP members In-reply-to: <001d01c054ca$440243e0$6b4cfd91@quarktasche> To: Matthias Lino Schmidt Cc: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Matthias Lino Schmidt wrote: > > Could it be possible that someone on this list (perhaps Steve or Derric) > > could post a list of all BAP members (+ their nicknames, of course:) to me > > or to the list? > > And I write: > Hahahaha! Nice try, Samuli ;o)! This question has been asked billions of > times, and has anybody ever seen it been answered? No, they are a > conspiracy, willing to stay incognito and inclined to create myths and tales > about their true identities. Maybe they are the outriders of an alien > invasion or the next bolshevik revolution.... who knows... > -the truth is out there (and not in this mail)- Not true. Go through the archives at .org and there ought to be a post from Steve only a few months ago where he listed all the members. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 26 00:42:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15354 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 00:42:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11330 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:33:44 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G4L01101TG121@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:33:37 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:33:37 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symp. Whirls In-reply-to: <20001123063128.22092.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> To: James Risden Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, James Risden wrote: > Here it is, it's a short run but it starts with blurry > drifter> blurry whirl> pdx torque> ps whirl...enjoy :) > > http://www.geocities.com/cloudriz/jamezrisden.mpg And don't forget to check out my newest and best stuff at http://www.heyeveryone.look/atwhat/I/cando.now I hit legover, legover, legover, mirage, toe stall, head stall, then I drop. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 26 00:42:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15369 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 00:42:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11756 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:55:59 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G4L01101UHAGZ@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:55:58 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 16:55:58 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's This? In-reply-to: <20001124033743.95264.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> To: Michael Wilson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Michael Wilson wrote: > I'm trying to figure out what this is. Toe set, op > dex(out), bail to osis. It's like a > buttlerfly/blender. I couldn't find it on the move > list. Does anyone know what this is called, and is it > 3 or 4 adds? Well it seems like a refraction unless that dex is SUPER defined to be like a reverse whirl then it's a Dyno. Refractions 3, Dyno's 4. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 26 00:44:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15380 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 00:44:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saturn.wwc.edu (IDENT:postfix@saturn.wwc.edu [199.236.178.1]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14306 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:08:36 -0800 Received: from student.wwc.edu (student.wwc [10.82.5.3]) by saturn.wwc.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id A5E7070016 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from WWC-Message_Server by student.wwc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:08:27 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 19:08:13 -0800 From: "Erik Engeberg" To: Subject: [freestyle] hell ya Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id TAA15071 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I finally hit my first 3-dex move today. While barefoot i hit pixie legover > pixie legover > smear > double legover (toe > opp out > same out > same toe, double legover right?) After that i hit toe > same in > op in > op out > same toe which I think is smog, correct me if I'm wrong, on my fourth try. All after a nice day of snowboarding; winter kicks ass. -EdE- From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 26 00:46:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15411 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 00:46:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29267 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:44:29 -0800 Received: from [24.150.4.64] (d150-4-64.home.cgocable.net [24.150.4.64]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.10.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAP4jWP03139 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:45:32 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 23:43:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's This? From: Neil Bearse To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20001124033743.95264.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id UAA13363 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On 11/23/00 10:37 PM, "Michael Wilson" wrote: > I'm trying to figure out what this is. Toe set, op > dex(out), bail to osis. It's like a > buttlerfly/blender. I couldn't find it on the move > list. Does anyone know what this is called, and is it > 3 or 4 adds? > I hit this as well, and I was told its a dyno... Not to sure if that¹s correct though Neil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 26 01:05:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15449 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 01:05:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo-r20.mail.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17892 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 00:59:17 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.33.) id l.37.d15ea0f (8479); Sun, 26 Nov 2000 03:57:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <37.d15ea0f.27522a74@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 03:57:24 EST Subject: James's Videos (was Re: [freestyle] Symp. Whirls) To: kaplanb@mscd.edu CC: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad, I get your point about James always posting his accomplishments to the list, but in his defense, I'm glad he makes his vids available to us on a regular basis. He's a really good player, and frankly, I wish more stylers would make and post vids online for the world to see. I'm fortunate enough to have a broadband connection at college, so I always watch James's videos. He can do some big tricks, he's very smooth, and slo-mos the majority of his vids, so they're a lot of fun to watch. He's my age, so they push and inspire me. To quote Steve Goldberg, the man himself, "He shreds like a motherf***er." I say make the vids available, and don't knock James for it. It does nothing to harm the footbag community. If anything, it pushes those of us who aren't up to his level yet, and that's good. Shred on, Matthew Cross University of Rochester Rochester, NY In a message dated 11/26/00 4:43:04 AM, kaplanb@mscd.edu writes: > On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, James Risden wrote: > > Here it is, it's a short run but it starts with blurry > > drifter> blurry whirl> pdx torque> ps whirl...enjoy :) > > > > http://www.geocities.com/cloudriz/jamezrisden.mpg > > > And don't forget to check out my newest and best stuff at > http://www.heyeveryone.look/atwhat/I/cando.now > I hit legover, legover, legover, mirage, toe stall, head stall, then > I drop. > > Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 28 20:45:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21883 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:45:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: David Sanchez Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03777 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:26:54 -0800 Received: from Orbspiders@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.33.) id q.e8.d09804d (15902); Mon, 27 Nov 2000 01:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from web28.aolmail.aol.com (web28.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.4]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 01:26:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 01:26:15 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] X-mas in Philly To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey hey hey,,, That's right. Our last chance to shred the year away on the east coast. Philly footworks is putting on a smashing jam during the holiday season. We urge everyone in the surrounding area (or with the ability to travel) to head on over to philly for the end of the year(12/30). We are doing what we can do to keep the vibe from getting frozen by winter. Bring your warmth and your style to our jam, everyone will be thankful. Bring all the new tricks you just got for (insert correct holiday here) and we will be sure to do the same. We look forward to seeing all those who care to attend. Shred it up! This is going to be a hardcore shredfest,,, I personally cannot wait. david sanchez philly footworks From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 28 20:46:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21892 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:46:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f129.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.129]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA10405 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 06:32:45 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 06:32:13 -0800 Received: from 128.206.120.240 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:32:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: James's Videos (was Re: [freestyle] Symp. Whirls) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:32:13 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37.d15ea0f.27522a74@aol.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2000 14:32:13.0821 (UTC) FILETIME=[D58BDAD0:01C0587E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matthew Cross wrote: >Brad, > I get your point about James always posting his accomplishments to the >list, but in his defense, I'm glad he makes his vids available to us on a >regular basis. I agree to some degree. I am not for my own self-promotion (bragging), BUT if you do self-promote (your own choice--I am not knocking you) I am very happy to see that a person would be willing to post video of the stuff that is said to have been hit. I know there are people out there who say they hit a lot of moves while they prolly can't even bust a toe delay. So, I say if you are gonna self-promote, more power to you. Just let us see you hit what you say you are hitting. :) In other words, I think James is very justified in his posting of this combo--even though I could not view it for some reason. Later Ian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 28 20:48:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21909 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:48:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA19115 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:53:08 -0800 Received: (qmail 3752 invoked by uid 0); 27 Nov 2000 22:52:42 -0000 Received: from blndi4-145-253-076-028.arcor-ip.net (HELO quarktasche) (145.253.76.28) by mail.gmx.net (mail04) with SMTP; 27 Nov 2000 22:52:42 -0000 Message-ID: <003c01c058c4$8f6d1960$1c4cfd91@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] hell ya & BAP members Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:51:19 +0100 Organization: Schmidt Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Good morning, Erik wrote.... > I finally hit my first 3-dex move today. While barefoot i hit pixie legover > pixie legover > smear > double legover (toe > opp out > same out > same toe, double legover right?) Not right, double legover is toe > op in [dex] > op out [dex] > op toe [del] The move you are describing is a double switch-over...... But props for your first triple dex, mine was a blurriest..... And on the BAP members issue: Brad wrote: >Not true. Go through the archives at .org and there ought to be a >post from Steve only a few months ago where he listed all the members. If there was a post like this I must have missed it, though I'm on this list for more than one year now... Ok, they are NO conspiracy, NOT willing to stay incognito and NOT inclined to create myths and tales about their true identities. Maybe they are NOT the outriders of an alien invasion or the next bolshevik revolution...... Keep on rockin', Matthias.......... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 28 20:50:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21924 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:50:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23931 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:01:48 -0800 Received: from storefull-614.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-614.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.34]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D998808 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-614.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA16967; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:01:22 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAzG6g/FB8hoW2D1apyZhdgfDJDMgCFCBExVYBg1dj4T4Cm1yFiI1ZMt2C From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:01:22 -0500 (EST) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Where's Worlds 2001? Message-ID: <29413-3A232E12-301@storefull-614.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Somebody PLEASE tell me. We have about 8 months. Not much time. Anyone? GF Smoothie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 28 20:57:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21944 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:57:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15697 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:13:40 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G4R00801I2I2U@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:13:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:13:30 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Apology To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Recently I took a cheap shot at James Risden for his posts on the list. I'm here to apologize to him and to all of you for my childish message. I don't want to taint the list for all of you and I don't want to make it a bad experience for James to be able to post his moves since they are awesome. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 30 22:21:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27254 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:21:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2007.mail.yahoo.com (web2007.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.238]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA05579 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:45:16 -0800 Message-ID: <20001129224507.71801.qmail@web2007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.129.28.18] by web2007.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:45:07 PST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:45:07 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] A NEW ERA To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Freestylers, I'm just giving you a heads up about some things. I'm about to release my latest production, called 'Aggressive Grounds'. It marks the turn of a new epoch in shred videos. Everything I produce from this point forward will be under the name Zohar Productions, and will be of utmost quality in all regards. The Boulder Blades team made some great videos for the time, but the sport is growing to a stage where videos must step up. I am almost embarassed about how my old videos look, compared to the new. Any videos from Boulder Blades will no longer be for sale after the new year. If you want any of them before then, email me. Otherwise get ready for the next wave. When you see what I am doing now, you will understand. Everything is digital, from start to finish, with good camera work and good sound and music. What I learned most from Boulder Blades was the content factor. If a video has *any* mediocre footage, then it isn't worth watching twice. All my work will feature only the sickest stuff. This etiquette of excellence, if you will, will remain a standard. One more thing. I produced a promotional video for freestyle that is 4 minutes long. It is designed for players seeking personal sponsorship, promoting a competition needing sponsorship, or promoting the sport as a whole. I will have it online for you folks to view soon; I'll let you know when that's complete. I will sell it for slightly above cost just to cover my own, and that info will also be available soon. Thanks, and shred hard. Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 30 22:21:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27249 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:21:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f215.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.215]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23318 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:52:39 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:52:08 -0800 Received: from 24.67.226.156 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:52:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.67.226.156] From: "Jeff Lopes" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Apology Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 07:52:08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2000 07:52:08.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[45ECB550:01C059D9] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I think brad dug himself into a hole as soon as he posted that stupid joke, and Im glad he apologized. James Rizden has inspired me with his huge add combo's, and given me a chance to see these moves hit cleanly over the internet. Keep on skooling James, keep on posting those videos and I hope to see you BAPtized. Later Jeff Lopes >From: Brad Kaplan >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Apology >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:13:30 -0700 (MST) > > Recently I took a cheap shot at James Risden for his posts on the >list. I'm here to apologize to him and to all of you for my childish >message. I don't want to taint the list for all of you and I don't want >to make it a bad experience for James to be able to post his moves since >they are awesome. > > Later, > Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 30 22:22:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27259 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:22:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from magician (vpop-136.nccn.net [209.79.223.136]) by nccn6.nccn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/*tdw* 2000-03-16a * No UCE! *-) with SMTP id OAA24045 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:52:19 -0800 Message-ID: <002001c05a56$84b02ec0$88df4fd1@magician> From: "Stuart Smith" To: Subject: [freestyle] Gremlin, or Sailing Set Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 14:47:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Freestyle people. This is Shred On. I'm catching up with the list and found... That someone else is doing a shooting set from toe. Cool I do this too. But only barefoot usually. I call it sailing because it is so easy that you just sail right over the bag with both your legs. Easy sailing moves are Sail Down(like bluriest from toe) Torn Sail(like pixie atom smasher) Sailing toe stall Sailing mirage Sailing rev mirage Sailing clipper and sailing flying inside kick Possible would be Sailing double leg over, but I haven't hit it yet. C YALL The Sloth From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 30 22:24:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27282 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:24:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1701.mail.yahoo.com (web1701.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.212]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA08932 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:14:09 -0800 Received: (qmail 2930 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2000 01:14:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20001130011408.2929.qmail@web1701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.156.71.100] by web1701.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:14:08 PST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:14:08 -0800 (PST) From: Shaun Marques Subject: [freestyle] X-body Rakes To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, This just might sound like a gay question, but what exactly does a x-body rake look like? For example: If I were to just kick the bag with my right, to make it go to the right side of my body, and scoop it behind my right leg with the left, does that make it one? If this is the case, it leads me to say that I have found two styles of a Symposium Mirage.. one, doing it regularly, and the other, scooping it up from behind my support leg across the back of my body. Is it a legitimate Symp. Mirage, or a Symp. Miraging X-Body Rake (toe > (no plant while) op in> op rake (from behind) ). I just figured that the slight turn in the process was making me "scoop" the bag.. but the more I do both, they feel unique from each other. Much thanks if one can solve this not-so-perplexing thing. Piece, Shaun M. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 30 22:26:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27297 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:26:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f43.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.43]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09704 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:44:03 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:43:32 -0800 Received: from 208.141.169.9 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:43:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.141.169.9] From: "jim penske" To: linoschmidt@gmx.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] hell ya & BAP members Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:43:32 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003c01c058c4$8f6d1960$1c4cfd91@quarktasche> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2000 01:43:32.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2578BE0:01C05A6E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org No a double leg over is toe > op in [dex] > op out [dex] > same toe. "Matthias Lino Schmidt" wrote: >Not right, double legover is toe > op in [dex] > op out [dex] > op toe >[del] >The move you are describing is a double switch-over...... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 30 22:27:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27308 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:27:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from user ([24.70.195.10]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001130052912.CUYP7061.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@user>; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:29:12 -0800 Message-ID: <004e01c05a8e$eacc7e60$0ac34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Allan Haggett" To: Cc: Subject: Re: James's Videos (was Re: [freestyle] Symp. Whirls) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:32:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ian, >>I agree to some degree. And I with you :) >> I am not for my own self-promotion (bragging), While I would agree with you supporting James posting his clips, I would consider the reasoning behind your support to be slightly misguided. Speaking as someone who puts myself online, I adimantly disagree that this is 'self-promotion' or even really bragging. While there is something of the bragadocious to posting clips of yourself 'out there', for me anyways, my motives are far more of a sharing nature and an idealistic approach to peer-to-peer communication. I am one of the many who learn a *great* deal from watching videos and the clips that are online now have contributed to my understanding of footbag immeasureably. Far more than trying to promote myself or brag, I figure if I can learn from all these clips that are posted, then maybe someone could learn from what little I have to offer. Granted the majority of the people in these clips are posted by Steve and Derric, but, so? I believe MORE people should be doing whatEVER they can to get Freestyle out there as it would seem that the more people know about it and SEE IT (real-time, slow-mo'd, backwards,forwards and sideways!!) the more people like James are coming out of the wood-works and blowing people's door's off!! I'd also like to point out that James didn't even intially post that string until someone asked him to. My props go to all the people that are editing videos in anyway shape or form and getting it out for people to SEE. Footbag is sooo beyond words. Thank you all and keep up the good work. >>I know there are people out there who say they >>hit a lot of moves while they prolly can't even bust a toe delay. You know, I can't think of anyone who does this. What has been posted on this list, by whom, that you didn't believe? Me, maybe??? :) (please read HUGE smile here:o) >>Just let us see you hit what you say you are hitting. :) Hear, Hear!! Lets see it y'all!! >>--even though I could not view it for some reason. It does work if you click the link and leave it for like 10 minutes(just open another window and surf around until it pops up).... but James is fixing that, right James?? With Respect, Allan PS http://members.home.com/freefootbag/AllanH29oct00.avi From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 30 22:27:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27319 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:27:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f133.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.133]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16276 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:58:36 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:58:05 -0800 Received: from 203.97.2.246 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:58:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.97.2.246] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] facile footbags,lavers Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:58:04 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2000 08:58:05.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6DC3250:01C05AAB] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi is there anyone out there who wants to sell me a couple of pellet facile bags? I'm also after another pair of size 8 lavers, a back up pair you might say. Thanks, Jono(New Zealand) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 30 22:29:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27330 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:29:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02887 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:26:29 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G4V00A0157YKS@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:26:22 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:26:22 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Apology In-reply-to: To: Jeff Lopes Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Jeff Lopes wrote: > I think brad dug himself into a hole as soon as he posted that stupid joke, And like the mighty phoenix I rise from the ashes as James has forgiven me :) footbag, FoOtBaG, FOOTBAG, HHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 30 22:31:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27352 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:31:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA28434 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:11:59 -0800 Received: (qmail 14628 invoked by uid 0); 30 Nov 2000 20:11:45 -0000 Received: from blndi5-212-144-128-025.arcor-ip.net (HELO quarktasche) (212.144.128.25) by mail.gmx.net (mail05) with SMTP; 30 Nov 2000 20:11:45 -0000 Message-ID: <00d901c05b09$9176f720$0f8090d4@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: References: <003c01c058c4$8f6d1960$1c4cfd91@quarktasche> Subject: Re: [freestyle] hell ya & BAP members Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:10:17 +0100 Organization: Schmidt Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Damn...... If I'm trying to correct others I should at least be correct. I wrote.... > Not right, double legover is toe > op in [dex] > op out [dex] > op toe [del] ...and showed my own incompetence... Of course, > same toe [del] ...... Ok, I'm gonna go play some Virtual Virtual Skewball.......... Matthias............... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 30 22:34:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27367 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:34:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f65.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.65]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22801 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 07:06:39 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 07:06:08 -0800 Received: from 128.206.120.240 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:06:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: James's Videos (was Re: [freestyle] Symp. Whirls) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:06:08 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004e01c05a8e$eacc7e60$0ac34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2000 15:06:08.0336 (UTC) FILETIME=[11737500:01C05ADF] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Allan Haggett" > >> I am not for my own self-promotion (bragging), >Speaking as someone who puts myself online, I adimantly disagree that this >is 'self-promotion' or even really bragging. Of course it is... When you put video or writing of combos of yourself on-line, that is bragging. Period. But, that is cool. I know A LOT of people like this sort of thing--including myself. Allan, I know you were around when there were threads titled "Gloating". A lot people loved this (once again, me included). Here to explain myself better, this is an excerpt from a message I sent (edited a touch) to James after reading my own comments on line: "I think it [the fact that Jamez is quite often a topic of discussion on the list] is quite amusing. I was trying to support you[Jamez]. I like the fact that you are willing to share your shit--but I don't think I expressed it that well. We all brag, that is good. Just I choose not to do it over the list. My main reason? Because I don't want to feel like I have something to prove when someone watches me kick. I do my thing when you see me kick, you like, you give props... you don't... then $@#$ you... hehe, just kidding. It is totally a personal choice of how you choose to be your own person. Ah, the freestyle list...*sigh*..." >While there is something of the >bragadocious to posting clips of yourself 'out there', for me anyways, my >motives are far more of a sharing nature and an idealistic approach to >peer-to-peer communication. Cool. I respect that. I believe that is a common theme in all video that is distributed everywhere--whether on-line or on tape--hell, even on CD as those Montreal kids are doing. Braga--what? I need to put that in my Scrabble memory bank. :) > >>I know there are people out there who say they > >>hit a lot of moves while they prolly can't even bust a toe delay. > >You know, I can't think of anyone who does this. What has been posted on >this list, by whom, that you didn't believe? Me, maybe??? :) (please read >HUGE smile here:o) I assume by the smile that this was all a joke. I have seen your clips, and I do not count you, nor James for that matter, as one of those people. They do exist. ME!! AAAHHAAaaaAAHHAAA hahaahaa!!! (rrriiiiggghtttt, I suck and admit it with pride). >It does work if you click the link and leave it for like 10 minutes(just >open another window and surf around until it pops up).... but James is >fixing that, right James?? Nope, still didn't work. Hop to it James. Get that link fixed bro'. :) >PS http://members.home.com/freefootbag/AllanH29oct00.avi BRAGGER!!!! hehehehe Later Ian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 30 22:40:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27381 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:40:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2904.mail.yahoo.com (web2904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.47]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA02414 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:10:50 -0800 Received: (qmail 29535 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2000 00:10:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20001201001047.29534.qmail@web2904.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [203.96.111.202] by web2904.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:10:47 PST Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:10:47 -0800 (PST) From: Hans Freller Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's This? To: Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hmmmmmmmm Most agreeable there Brad If you were to break down the movements of this move you would find that if done correctly it would be a 4 add move. Heres some food for thought, (1) With a dyno the dexterity direction is opposite to the blender (a whirl bail to osis).So a dyno must be a reverse whirl bail to osis. (2) With this is mind the dexterity must be done with the lower part of the leg (i.e. from the knee down, where the ankle circles the bag) because if the dexterity is done with the hips (i.e. upper leg) it becomes a butterfly move therefore not a dyno or a blender. (3) So according to this, if the dexs are done correctly you have your self a tasty looking four adder. If not and your hips are doing the dex ,no biggie, you would most likly be hitting a refraction, which is still a nice move. Confused maybe someone out there can see what I'm saying. But any way at the end of the day its all good so theres no need to fret keep stylin' and I'll be seeing you all. Thanx Hanz > --- Brad Kaplan wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Michael Wilson wrote: > > > I'm trying to figure out what this is. Toe set, > > op > > > dex(out), bail to osis. It's like a > > > buttlerfly/blender. I couldn't find it on the > > move > > > list. Does anyone know what this is called, and > > is it > > > 3 or 4 adds? > > > > Well it seems like a refraction unless that dex > > is SUPER defined to > > be like a reverse whirl then it's a Dyno. > > Refractions 3, Dyno's 4. > > > > Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 30 23:23:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27459 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:23:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f145.hotmail.com [216.32.181.145]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10771 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:15:19 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:14:48 -0800 Received: from 129.93.213.14 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:14:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.213.14] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] self promotion- Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 01:14:48 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2000 07:14:48.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[63E90020:01C05B66] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I agree with Allen that self promotion, at least in the case of footbag, is not neccesarily a bad thing. I mean, if I posted that I got laid twice last night (which I did not....Damn that third nipple of mine!), that would be bragging. But telling people about significant footbag accomplishments on a footbag website is a little different. I mean, players want to know what's out there, what other people are doing. In a sport where the top players only get together less than five times a year (in most cases) it seems only neccessary for us to not boast and brag, but rather inform about what is going on in our game. After all, when I was a young lad of 16 before the weight of the world crushed my hopes and dreams, (less than four years ago) I sent a video of myself to Kenny Shults in a vain attempt to get into BAP. I was denied, then practiced for about four months and sent a second video only to be denied again (consequently, that's what tipped off my compulsive alcoholism and new dream of becoming the world's best yatzee player). I didn't consider it bragging, just a way to get into BAP with my limited resources (being poor, 16, and living in Nebraska with a bunch of yokels). By the way, I hope someone burned those videos. So I encourage anyone who thinks they have some good footage to send it in. DOn't send in a bunch of crap just to send something in, but send in worthy footage. If nobody else wants to see it, I certainly do. Just make sure that you are not better than me at footbag, I want to boost my self esteem and criticize you. By the way, I hope to get back into the game next semester.