From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 4 02:15:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02048 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:15:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11239 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:13:41 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001201081334.AYH25162.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:13:34 -0800 Message-ID: <3A276029.7874FBC8@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 02:24:09 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] facile footbags,lavers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org jono heyes wrote: > > Hi is there anyone out there who wants to sell me a couple of pellet facile > bags? Yep. They are called the World Footbag Association and they are at http://www.worldfootbag.com I'm not sure how the international selling/shipping works, but you should give them a call. They are a friendly bunch of people that exist solely to get you the equipment you need. > I'm also after another pair of size 8 lavers, Again... the WFA is there to get this stuff to you. Use them. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 4 02:15:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02058 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:15:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25879 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:19:30 -0800 Received: from [24.150.4.64] (d150-4-64.home.cgocable.net [24.150.4.64]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.10.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eB1MKYP14313 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:20:39 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:18:12 -0500 Subject: [freestyle] Swirling Torque? From: Neil Bearse To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id OAA28884 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all.. A friend of mine, Jason Lee, almost hit this the other day, and I'm just wondering what its called. I couldn't find it on the move list.. But I'm sure its been hit and named before. here's my attempt at Jobs'ing it CLIP[del] > OP IN[dex] > Spin[bod] > OP SWIRL [xbd][dex] > SAME CLIP [del] I hope thatıs understandable... Basically its a stepping same side swirling osis... Like a torque bailing to a same side swirling osis... Does that make sense?? anyways, looks phat and super stylee.. I wish I could hit it too :) What the name for this and who else is hitting it? Thanks .. NEiL PS... Props to Rizden, I have to admit that was an awesome string. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 4 02:15:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02053 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:15:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20892 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:08:55 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G4W00S01IEOA4@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:08:48 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:08:48 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] X-body Rakes In-reply-to: <20001130011408.2929.qmail@web1701.mail.yahoo.com> To: Shaun Marques Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Shaun Marques wrote: > this is the case, it leads me to say that I have found > two styles of a Symposium Mirage.. one, doing it > regularly, and the other, scooping it up from behind > my support leg across the back of my body. Is it a > legitimate Symp. Mirage, or a Symp. Miraging X-Body > Rake (toe > (no plant while) op in> op rake (from > behind) ). I just figured that the slight turn in the > process was making me "scoop" the bag.. but the more I > do both, they feel unique from each other. I know the moves you're talking about and I'd have to say that you're doing either x-body rake or an unclean symposium mirage. A rake means you are scooping the bag from behind you and if you are doing a clean dex (in which your leg goes over and around the bag) on the symposium mirage, then the bag would be in front of you. Let me try to explain how a symp. miraging x-body rake would have to look like to be truly clean. Try to follow me, I might wander... set right toe> (no plant while) op in dex> At this point your leg would traditionally do a full dex around the bag and you'd catch back on your right toe (which is the right side of your body), but your leg must do another half dex (actually this could be taken care of with a pivot) to be back on the left side of your body where your right foot would then scoop it. Am I making sense? The one you're talking about involves the symposium dex and rake all in one, where mine description cleanly separates the two. Man this'd be so much easier in person. Hope I didn't confuse anyone too bad, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 4 02:16:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02078 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:16:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f300.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.175]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25892 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:19:46 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:19:16 -0800 Received: from 63.79.38.186 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Dec 2000 22:19:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.79.38.186] From: "Brad Nelson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Weird torque Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:19:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2000 22:19:16.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDCD3FB0:01C05BE4] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If your dex leg goes from out/in istead of in/out, is it still a torque? I have been using it lately and just wanted to know, thanks. See ya P.S. My ducking butterflies are getting pretty good...competition for Eric(j/k). From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 4 02:17:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02092 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:17:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02699 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 20:29:23 -0800 Received: from [144.92.96.248] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id WAA74122 (8.9.1/50); Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:29:09 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20001201223256.008ff420@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 22:32:56 -0600 To: Shaun Marques , freestyle@footbag.org From: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Subject: Re: [freestyle] X-body Rakes In-Reply-To: <20001130011408.2929.qmail@web1701.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 05:14 PM 11/29/00 -0800, Shaun Marques wrote: >Hey stylers, > > This just might sound like a gay question, To the best of my knowledge the footbag freestyle list has little to do with one's sexual orientation. I am not quite sure how you decided that a question regarding the manner in which a x-body rake is performed relates to homosexuality (unless in some clever way you are implying that we go out on a date), but I will attempt to answer your possibly "gay" question. >exactly does a x-body rake look like? Think of doing a clipper, but almost instantly before catching the bag on the inside of the foot, you turn your foot downwards and scoop the bag up onto your toe, and then pull it out of the cross body position to the front of your body. The initial contact will be made while your leg is still in the crossbody position (if done correctly) and will finish on a toe delay after the "rake" has been performed. >I were to just kick the bag with my right, to make it >go to the right side of my body, and scoop it behind >my right leg with the left, does that make it one? This somewhat vague description does sound like one, but you might want to be a bit more specific in your explanation. >two styles of a Symposium Mirage.. one, doing it >regularly, and the other, scooping it up from behind >my support leg across the back of my body. Is it a >legitimate Symp. Mirage, or a Symp. Miraging X-Body >Rake (toe > (no plant while) op in> op rake (from >behind) ). > Well, your notation sounds like a toe symposium whirling x-body rake, but your earlier description does not. You may need to expand upon this one to get a clear answer. By the way Shaun, let me give you some advice. Lately members of the list have been discussing expanding the arena of footbag freestyle and possibly opening the sport up to more and more people. Since the freestyle list acts as an open conduit where many people get their start in the sport, it might be a good idea to avoid using terms that might isolate and create a negative atmosphere for certain individuals. Say what you want in private, but remember when used in a public forum your words not only represent you, but they represent the footbag community as a whole. Shred on Matt Kain - Madison Footbag From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 4 02:21:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02131 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:21:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17359 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:16:14 -0800 Received: from johnlopes ([24.67.226.156]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001202201608.BNWK6583.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@johnlopes> for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:16:08 -0800 Message-ID: <001201c05c9d$5fed9340$9ce24318@kldt1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Jeff Lopes" To: Subject: [freestyle] BAP Requirements Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:20:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey fellow shredders, There has been a lot of talk about the BAP on the list, and my only question is if the requirements for making the Posse changes every year? Was it harder for people to make it in 2000 then it was in 1999? Harder in 1999 then 1998? Etc......... I hear guys like Forest Shroud and Allan Hagget not making the Posse, and it blows me away. It makes me feel like I'll take 7 years to get on the bubble. Ok, thats all. Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 4 02:22:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02143 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:22:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1702.mail.yahoo.com (web1702.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.213]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA17797 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:38:11 -0800 Message-ID: <20001202203810.24089.qmail@web1702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.156.70.184] by web1702.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 02 Dec 2000 12:38:10 PST Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:38:10 -0800 (PST) From: Shaun Marques Subject: Re: [freestyle] X-body Rakes To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, I give my deepest apologies to those who took my improper usage of the word "gay".. I know I can't phrase this next sentence right without it sounding derogatory, but I meant "stupid." I mean, I'm learning Dynos, Blenders, and other decent moves, and then I had the gall to ask a dumb question of what an x-body rake looks like, because I had never seen one performed. So, yell if you may, just to let everyone know, I'm truly sorry. But on a lighter note, thanks Brad and the few that DID help me and not yell at me for my belligerence. Piece, Shaun M. PS: I'm definitely sorry. I didn't mean to offend anyone. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 4 02:23:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02158 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:23:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net (wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.16]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24812 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 15:39:07 -0800 Received: (qmail 20357 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2000 23:39:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20001202233906.20356.qmail@wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.16 by wwcst271 for [24.147.248.251] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Sat Dec 2 23:39:06 GMT 2000 Date: 2 Dec 00 18:39:06 EST From: Gary Heffernan To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Quantum Butterfly X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id PAA31255 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I'm currently working on a Toe Ripwalk (quantum butterfly), although I probably shouldnt be. But, if I hit it, my teacher will buy the whole class a big cake, so I'm wondering if anyone has any tips for me, or maybe a video I could watch? thanks a lot guys. Gary From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 4 02:24:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02169 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:24:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web802.mail.yahoo.com (web802.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.62]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30123 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:37:39 -0800 Received: (qmail 17494 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2000 01:37:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20001203013738.17493.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.15] by web802.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 02 Dec 2000 17:37:38 PST Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:37:38 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] nuclear double down To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, About a week ago, I hit Nuclear Double Down and Big Apple. I wasn't going to post about them but a few folks have told me they don't think anyone else has hit Nuclear Double Down yet(Eli or Ahren?). Does this mean I can name it? Later, James P.S. I hope to see ya guys at the new years jam in Chi-Town. I'm all about gettin' "ill in IL":) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 4 02:24:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02180 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:24:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f116.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.116]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01865 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 20:41:52 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 20:41:22 -0800 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 03 Dec 2000 04:41:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Is this ridiculous? Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:41:22 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2000 04:41:22.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[4956A2C0:01C05CE3] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey has anyone out there hit a swirling symposium whirl? Or a whirling swirling symposium whirl? I'm curious to no whether it is possible, thoughts anyone...? jono( the ridiculous) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 4 02:25:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02195 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:25:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11788 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 07:07:10 -0800 Received: from storefull-611.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-611.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.138]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 0753E2C9DF for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 07:07:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-611.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id HAA00343; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 07:06:59 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQvxXhYn9QQw0k1U9Vhl/8Wb3+8XQIUA9MxIY1ShJbiruyg8f/Tr83pzMk= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:06:59 -0500 (EST) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Tour de Footbag Message-ID: <9578-3A2A6193-4776@storefull-611.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello! Just a little heads up that the next stop on the Tour de Foot ala Michigonian style is now slated for Mt Pleasant @ The Central Michigan Campus on the 9th of December. We will meet at the student activity center at 12:00 PM. Come one come all! Bring your friends. Can't make it? Let us know where you are, and we will put you on the list of stops (pretty much a Midwest thing, sorry Sunil)! We will be in Alaska, USA from December 18th until January 5th. We will be visiting Fairbanks, Kenai, Soldotna and Anchorage. Questions? Email, or call 734.994.7396 http://www.pir.com/michigan_footbag_club/ michiganfootbag.org Thanks, Happy Holidays! Greg (GF Smoothie) Nelson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 4 02:37:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02352 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:37:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01414 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:29:23 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id z.ba.e461a0c (15863) for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from web34.aolmail.aol.com (web34.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.10]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Dec 2000 05:28:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 05:28:50 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this ridiculous? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Stylers, The Rediculous said: > Hey has anyone out there hit a swirling symposium whirl? > Or a whirling swirling symposium whirl? > I'm curious to no whether it is possible, > thoughts anyone...? > jono( the ridiculous) I think what you're talking about is symposium whirling swirl, and I'm very sure I saw some guy named Ryan Mulroney hit it at Worlds 2k a few months ago... I hear he's good at footbag... -Matthew Cross University of Rochester Rochester, NY From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 4 02:39:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02367 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:39:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01500 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:32:32 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id z.57.e52c30d (15898) for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from web31.aolmail.aol.com (web31.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.7]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v77.14) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Dec 2000 05:32:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 05:32:13 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Quantum Butterfly To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <57.e52c30d.275cccb1@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20001202233906.20356.qmail@wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Stylers, Hark and rejoice!!! For footbag has finally attained some semblance of sponsorship for it's players (even if it IS just in pastry form)... Aside from this, does anyone know of any other instances of footbag sponsorship? Matt Cross University of Rochester Rochester, NY Gary wrote: > Hey all, > I'm currently working on a Toe Ripwalk (quantum butterfly), although I > probably shouldnt be. But, if I hit it, my teacher will buy the whole class a > big cake, so I'm wondering if anyone has any tips for me, or maybe a video I > could watch? thanks a lot guys. > Gary From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 03:59:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02788 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 03:59:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-r17.mail.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03466 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:06:46 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id t.87.3bc3029 (16788); Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:06:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <87.3bc3029.275cf0d5@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <001201c05c9d$5fed9340$9ce24318@kldt1.bc.wave.home.com> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:06:29 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] BAP Requirements To: jefflopes@home.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The vote from this last year's BAP induction are still being contested. We had some problems with symposium butterfly ballots and dimpled big add chads. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 03:58:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02779 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 03:58:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03293 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:04:39 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id b.b0.d16edc2 (16788); Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:03:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:03:55 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirling Torque? To: jester21@cgocable.net, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org That's basically a blurry blender. Sounds like he does the osis before the dex where blender usually is usually the other way around but the mechanics are essentially the same. Kenny Shults From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:00:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02807 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:00:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-r11.mail.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03491 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:11:16 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id i.9b.d9f9c8a (16788); Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:10:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9b.d9f9c8a.275cf1c5@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:10:29 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this ridiculous? To: heyjo_790@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Rippin hit swirling whirling swirl at least 5 years ago or more. I'm not sure if he did it symposium or not. I'd bet he could do it either way. Rippin's swirls RULE. Kenny Shults From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:01:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02821 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:01:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03518 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:15:23 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id z.17.e669407 (16788); Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:14:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <17.e669407.275cf2be@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:14:38 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this ridiculous? To: MatthewL329@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org As for the basic symposium whirling swirl, Rippin hit symposium whirling swirl to symposium paradox whirl in the finals of Worlds 96 in Montreal, which he won. I'm fairly certain that it was the first time a 5 to a 5 was ever done in competition unless he did it in an earlier round there. Kenny Shults From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:02:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02874 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:02:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.sunwave.net (IDENT:1006@newmail.sunwave.net [139.142.168.25]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07284 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:43:12 -0800 Received: (qmail 11839 invoked by uid 1963); 4 Dec 2000 17:42:27 -0000 Received: from sun-171-87.sunwave.net (HELO default) (139.142.171.87) by newmail.sunwave.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2000 17:42:27 -0000 From: "Bill McDermott" To: Subject: Sponsorships (Re: [freestyle] Quantum Butterfly) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:45:55 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-reply-to: <57.e52c30d.275cccb1@aol.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What kind of sponsorships do you mean, for the club or what else... Up in my town here we have been offered by about a dozen businesses that if we can put together a good club with a minimum of twelve members they will sponsor us. (in the money way not pastry) Still, all in all, anyone can get sponsors, all it takes is some free time to go to some businesses, let them know what it is all about, offer them to come watch a bit, and your on your way! it is definatly a great way of buying new footbags! Hint for all you people out there! Boston Pizza is usually very good at sponsoring clubs and stuff! See ya laters Bill McDermott Matt Cross wrote: > does anyone know of any other instances of footbag sponsorship? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:03:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02901 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:03:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08316 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:40:06 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001204183948.XDPC25162.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:39:48 -0800 Message-ID: <3A2BE55E.8E74608C@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:41:34 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Weird torque References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Nelson wrote: > > If your dex leg goes from out/in istead of in/out, is it still a torque? Nope. It is a flux. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:04:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02948 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:04:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.21]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08448 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:46:02 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001204184557.XGRP25162.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:45:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3A2BE6CF.A09F14DE@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:47:43 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirling Torque? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Neil Bearse wrote: > > Hey all.. A friend of mine, Jason Lee, almost hit this the other day, > CLIP[del] > OP IN[dex] > Spin[bod] > OP SWIRL [xbd][dex] > SAME CLIP [del] > > I hope thatıs understandable... Basically its a stepping same side swirling > osis... Like a torque bailing to a same side swirling osis... Does that > make sense?? Yep. Funny thing about a swirling osis - it is VERY similar to a blender or a dyno. Depending on the direction of the swirl, it is probably a "food processor" (blurry blender), or a "stepping opposite side dyno" (sorry, no short name for this one yet). Does that answer your question? -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:05:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02963 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:05:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09268 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:40:01 -0800 Received: from [144.92.184.42] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id NAA215086 (8.9.1/50); Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:39:55 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20001204133957.00f50ff0@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:39:57 -0600 To: "jono heyes" , freestyle@footbag.org From: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this ridiculous? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org As I recall, a while back someone mentioned that Rippin' has hit both swirling symposium whirl and swirling symposium whirling swirl. Since the man himself is on the list, I'd love to hear what he has to say about it. Rippin'? Either way, these moves are about as insane as you can get. Matt Kain - Madison Footbag At 05:41 PM 12/3/00 +1300, jono heyes wrote: >Hey has anyone out there hit a swirling symposium whirl? >Or a whirling swirling symposium whirl? >I'm curious to no whether it is possible, >thoughts anyone...? > >jono( the ridiculous) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:06:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03002 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:06:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f226.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.226]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09709 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:03:12 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:02:41 -0800 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Dec 2000 20:02:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: mklewand@students.wisc.edu, codeine_45x@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] X-body Rakes Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 15:02:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20001201223256.008ff420@students.wisc.edu> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2000 20:02:41.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[28D179D0:01C05E2D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Matt Kain replied to Shaun Marques. > >At 05:14 PM 11/29/00 -0800, Shaun Marques wrote: > >Hey stylers, > > > > This just might sound like a gay question, > >To the best of my knowledge the footbag freestyle list has little to do >with one's sexual orientation. I am not quite sure how you decided that a >question regarding the manner in which a x-body rake is performed relates >to homosexuality (unless in some clever way you are implying that we go out >on a date), but I will attempt to answer your possibly "gay" question. > Dude, that's totally gay. : D How did that slip by the discussion moderator? Seriously though, one of the most attractive aspects of footbag is its accesibility. It's cheapness, room for freedom of expression, and accesibility (you can play anywhere) make it a sport that's open to many. I still feel like we could strive for more diversity in the footbag community, but recent increases in female players has been promising. So yeah, we should strive to be diplomats for our sport, so we can spread our enjoyment of this sport to as many people as possible. Ken "I go to a hippy school" Somolinos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:07:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03095 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:07:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f129.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.129]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09803 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:09:58 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:09:28 -0800 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Dec 2000 20:09:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: MatthewL329@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this ridiculous? Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 15:09:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2000 20:09:28.0538 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B44E3A0:01C05E2E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi stylers, Jono Heyes inquired: > > > Hey has anyone out there hit a swirling symposium whirl? > > Or a whirling swirling symposium whirl? > > I'm curious to no whether it is possible, > > thoughts anyone...? > > jono( the ridiculous) On Skool Daze Scott Davidson hits reverse swirling symposium whirl cleanly once. It looks super cool, he sets, and then he jumps and gets both dexes. I am pretty sure that at worlds Rippin' told me he hit a swirling symposium whirling swirl. Maybe he could verify that, I'd hate to post misinformation, but I am pretty sure he told me that. Matt Cross wrote: >I think what you're talking about is symposium whirling swirl, and I'm >very sure I saw some guy named Ryan Mulroney hit it at Worlds 2k a few >months ago... I hear he's good at footbag... The master of symposium whirling swirl is rippin. I've seen him hit symposium whirling swirl to ps whirl, to superfly, to down double, to blizzard, etc etc. One of my favorite strings ever is from the 96 worlds tape. Rippin hits: symposium whirling swirl-blizzard-paradon-blizzard-paradon-barfly-scorpion's tail. 96 worlds...damn. Ken From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:08:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03135 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:08:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from magician (vpop-150.nccn.net [209.79.223.150]) by nccn6.nccn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/*tdw* 2000-03-16a * No UCE! *-) with SMTP id OAA14940 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:21:04 -0800 Message-ID: <003901c05e3f$f85bf2e0$96df4fd1@magician> From: "Lon Smith" To: Subject: [freestyle] Oldschool Return Please Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:16:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello.....Older wiser players....are you out there. This is just Shred-On-Lawn. I was wondering what has been hit by the best players. It's a time for this sport to explode. Last Worlds a youthful player was able to take first place. I can't wait to hear what people will be hitting in ten years. HOw good are we going to get at this awesome sport??? Will anyone ever actually hit 10 fives?? Theres all these insanely hard new sets like the toe whip(quantum), gyro mirage set, nuclear, man this sport is going off. Has anyone seen how many new combinations the Torch has been bustin'??? I just want to get some action. .. on the list. More neat stories by the Enforcer of how Footbag used to be. I've been learning this sport like a serious athlete for about 2 years now, eating and stretching and cross training to be the best and I'm really impressed with the skills that other players have been getting. That's all. I want everybody who reads this list to do that something you've been meaning to do that will improve your game. No don't wait do it now!!! And work you garndarn bad side too for Heavens sake or Genzu master will pass us all up!!! See Ya at the Olympics in 30 years, later, ... Shred-On-Lawn From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:09:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03150 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:09:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13622 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:42:00 -0800 Received: (qmail 17279 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2000 22:44:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20001204224426.17278.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.207.80] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 04 Dec 2000 14:44:26 PST Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:44:26 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] nuclear double down To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- john kingi wrote: > whats the notation on a Nuclear Double > Down? ...Clip>sam out>sam out>sam out>op clip??? I should have been more specific in my post. I now realize there are 2 diff ways you could do a nuclear double down. The way I did it.... Clip> same out> op out> same out> op clip. Do I got dibs on the name or no, people!? :) Later, James From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:13:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03176 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:13:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14584 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:22:11 -0800 Received: from nilenet.com (slip155.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.178]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/09072000-01) with ESMTP id QAA16697; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:21:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A2C2652.A27E4C25@nilenet.com> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:18:42 -0700 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Neil Bearse CC: freestyle@footbag.org, James Risden , jono heyes Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirling Torque?/Nuclear 2xDn/Whirling... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All, I'm a little confused with Neil's description, but I think he's describing a torque which ends with a swirl, in stead of just a clipper. If this is the case, then yes, Paul Mestas hit this one. He dubbed it with the no-so-politically-correct name: Titty Twister. Let me know if someone else hit this over a year ago, PLEASE... Neil Bearse wrote: > here's my attempt at Jobs'ing it > CLIP[del] > OP IN[dex] > Spin[bod] > OP SWIRL [xbd][dex] > SAME CLIP [del] James wrote: > About a week ago, I hit Nuclear Double Down and Big > Apple. I wasn't going to post about them but a few > folks have told me they don't think anyone else has > hit Nuclear Double Down yet(Eli or Ahren?). Does this > mean I can name it? Paul's hit this one too. No name given yet. Any suggestions? Juno Wrote: > Hey has anyone out there hit a swirling symposium whirl? > Or a whirling swirling symposium whirl? > I'm curious to no whether it is possible, > thoughts anyone...? > > jono( the ridiculous) I've hit reverse swirling symp. whirl (but only from and to dragon). Rippin hit swirling sypm. whirling swirl in like '93 or something - I've seen it on tape. It's utterly sick! Don't know of anyone that can hit whirling swirling symp whirl, but I'd say Eli would be best suited to busting that one (since he's hittin' that whirling set (blazing?, methinks)). Peace, Genzu From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:14:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03189 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:14:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA16417 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:18:06 -0800 Received: (qmail 28310 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2000 00:51:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20001205005126.28309.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3A2C2652.A27E4C25@nilenet.com> Received: from [63.14.207.80] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:51:26 PST Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:51:26 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirling Torque?/Nuclear 2xDn/Whirling... To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Daryl Genz wrote: > Nuclear Double Down > Paul's hit this one too. No name given yet. Any > suggestions? Yes. This may sound dumb to everyone else, but I suggest that Nuclear Double Over-down (clip> same out> op out> same out> op clip) be givin the name "Geesha". Just my 2 cents, James Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:15:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03203 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:15:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28023 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 03:32:25 -0800 Received: from [10.0.5.71] (p1351.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.5.71]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24715 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:30:24 +1100 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mattsb@pop.ozemail.com.au Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:40:53 +1100 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Matt Baker Subject: [freestyle] Gyro moves. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I've just done a rudimentary search of the movelist, and I couldn't see any tips on gyro mirage, gyro legover, gyro pickup etc. I'm trying to hit gyro mirage, and I was looking for some tips. Do you jump as soon as you set and spin in the air, or spin, jump, catch? Also, would you say that gyro moves are suited to tall ppl/long legs? I guess I'm thinking this because the surging set is Chad's brainchild (I think), and I see him hitting gyro dlo on Sultans... also, it seems a logical leap seeing as smaller people would be more suited to ducks etc, so why wouldn't tall ppl be suited to a certain set? Could all be crap of course, and I'm prepared to be inundated with tales of 4 foot warriors busting surging dlo, and 10 foot people hitting fairy ducking dlo. While I'm writing a disjointed nonsensical email, does anyone have any good tips for the nuclear set? I find a paradox mirage hard enough, and I'm confused as to how you can get your leg around it while it's still going up (other than raw speed I guess). Better quit while I retain some dignity.... Thanks, -matt NB, there are 2 matt bakers, and this is the .au one. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:23:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03245 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:23:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07078 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:01:54 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G54003017UW1X@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:01:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:01:44 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this ridiculous? In-reply-to: To: Matthew Cross Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Matthew Cross wrote: > The Rediculous said: > > > Hey has anyone out there hit a swirling symposium whirl? > > Or a whirling swirling symposium whirl? > > I'm curious to no whether it is possible, > > thoughts anyone...? > > I think what you're talking about is symposium whirling swirl, and I'm I have come inches from swirling symposium whirl, though can't even touch symposium whirling swirl. I've never heard of anyone hitting ssw before, has anyone out there hit it? Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:25:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03256 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:25:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G54005018Z603@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:25:54 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:25:54 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Video stuff in general In-reply-to: <004e01c05a8e$eacc7e60$0ac34618@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Allan Haggett wrote: > is 'self-promotion' or even really bragging. While there is something of the > bragadocious to posting clips of yourself 'out there', for me anyways, my > motives are far more of a sharing nature and an idealistic approach to > peer-to-peer communication. I am one of the many who learn a *great* deal > from watching videos and the clips that are online now have contributed to > my understanding of footbag immeasureably. Far more than trying to promote > myself or brag, I figure if I can learn from all these clips that are > posted, then maybe someone could learn from what little I have to offer. I don't find any fault with ANYONE who puts their videos online for the whole world to see. I tend to have problems when too much bragging goes on, but hell there're a lot of porn sites that would grab any ethical strand in my brain before a footbag clip of someone who wants to show their stuff. Everyone who wants to should put there clips online should. From novice to veteran to (dare I say) Bloughchi. Everyone is capable of inspiring someone else in this sport and for the beginners I think it's truly inspiring to see others of their own skill level or SLIGHTLY higher. Those are the people who are usually unaccounted for in the JAM tapes that we buy. There are a few people out there who include intermediate clips in there videos, but not many. It's great to see Ryan and Chad and Sunil and Eli and Rippin and Scott. Those videos are great for the mind blowing "what the hell was that" OH MY GOD THESE GUYS ARE INSANE effect. They are inspiring. But what about everyone a step or five behind. It's like you sometimes skip those steps by watching the insane videos. I personally would like to see video clips of the women in footbag. I've seen a limited amount of Carol and none that involve Jane or Mel or Sam or Ann. These are some of the top women in the sport and there are so few clips of them anywhere. If we're looking to inspire people with online clips we should try to inspire more women. Not to mention take notes on their grace and style. Okay I've blabbed enough. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:25:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03267 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:25:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07730 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:34:21 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G54005019CUH8@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:34:07 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:34:06 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Weird torque In-reply-to: To: Brad Nelson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Brad Nelson wrote: > If your dex leg goes from out/in istead of in/out, is it still a torque? I > have been using it lately and just wanted to know, thanks. When doing this from a toe set it has the name flux and while I've never seen it done from a clipper set (except paradox), I'd guess it keeps the name flux. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:26:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03282 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:26:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07809 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:36:48 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G54005019HBO5@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:36:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:36:47 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirling Torque? In-reply-to: To: Neil Bearse Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Neil Bearse wrote: > Hey all.. A friend of mine, Jason Lee, almost hit this the other day, Isn't he that guy who played the best friend in "Chasing Amy" and the demon in "Dogma". Great to know hollywood's finally into the footbag seen... snicker..snicker.. gfaw :) Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:26:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03293 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:26:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08001 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:42:08 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G54006019Q63N@clem.mscd.edu> for Freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:42:06 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 15:42:06 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Quantum Butterfly In-reply-to: <20001202233906.20356.qmail@wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net> To: Gary Heffernan Cc: Freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Gary Heffernan wrote: > I'm currently working on a Toe Ripwalk (quantum butterfly), although I > probably shouldnt be. But, if I hit it, my teacher will buy the whole class a > big cake, so I'm wondering if anyone has any tips for me, or maybe a video I > could watch? thanks a lot guys. I actually watched Ryan doing legbeater over and over on "SULTANS OF SHRED" (only available for another month) and saw the way he did his first dex and I found it was possible to do the dex the same way only going around the bag from in to out. The dex was done kind of small and with the ankle/shin. Hope this helps, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:27:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03312 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:27:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01048 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 04:57:32 -0800 Received: from nilenet.com (slip139.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.162]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/09072000-01) with ESMTP id VAA22236 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:03:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A2DBA26.C68FDD98@nilenet.com> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 21:01:42 -0700 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: [freestyle] Europe Tourneys? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All You Shredders on the Other Side of the Planet... I'm just wondering if there are any European events pending for any time near the beginning of July as there is a very good chance I'll be going out there around this time... Please respond privately. Thanks. Daryl Genz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 7 04:34:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03351 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:34:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27123 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:10:50 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.203.38]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G560063EFM7SA@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:44:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 18:46:28 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] New Video From OOPS!: Bust Out Now To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <002501c05ff7$e5f874c0$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Check out all the info on this sick new video at the OOPS! web page: http://www.penny-lane.com/oops click on the multimedia section for info on the vid. - Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 9 20:41:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10959 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:41:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web804.mail.yahoo.com (web804.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.64]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA32243 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:39:00 -0800 Received: (qmail 13742 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2000 06:45:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20001207064507.13741.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Received: from [63.14.191.1] by web804.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 22:45:07 PST Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:45:07 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this ridiculous? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- KeN Somolinos wrote: > The master of symposium whirling swirl is rippin. Oh hell yeah. And also someone a lot of people may not recognize, Phil Summers. He was BUSTING this move last time I saw him. While we're on the subject of ridiculous, shredded documents..... Rippin' hits scorpian's tail BOTH SIDES in ONE RUN!!! That's sooo insane!!! And Chad hits, get this, Chad (the one with big adds) hits Blurry Whirl> Spinning Paradox Whirl> Blurry Whirl> Spinning Paradox Whirl... Dare I say that's the sickest thing I've ever seen. Later, James Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 9 20:45:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10978 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:45:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web2004.mail.yahoo.com (web2004.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.204]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA11599 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 21:17:58 -0800 Received: (qmail 1686 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2000 20:24:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20001207202406.1685.qmail@web2004.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20001205005126.28309.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.129.16.5] by web2004.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 12:24:06 PST Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 12:24:06 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirling Torque?/Nuclear 2xDn/Whirling... To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Genz: > Nuclear Double Down > Paul's hit this one too. No name given yet. Risden: > Yes. This may sound dumb to everyone else, but I > suggest that Nuclear Double Over-down (clip> same > out> op out> same out> op clip) be givin the name > "Geesha". Well, I haven't hit it, but I always thought Nuclear Fusion was fitting. Geesha is cool, too. It fits with the short names So.Cal has adopted for other nuclear moves: pdox legbeater = MATADOR; pdox atomsmasher = SUMO. And I haven't hit any whirling symposium stuff. I don't do the blazing set anymore; it really tears up the knee. Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 9 20:47:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10997 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:47:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Scot Pipkin Received: from Sprflysnka@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id z.25.e82301b (4320) for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:12:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <25.e82301b.2761573b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:12:27 EST Subject: [freestyle] footbag documentary? To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 147 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I was just wondering if anyone had thought of making a footbag film. Not some cheesy "small town kid goes to the World Championships in a big city to fulfill his destiny" movies, but a documentary. I think this medium can really show many of the great aspects of freestyle footbag, not just shred. Through a documentary, we could show the world the kind of dedication that goes into being an active part of the freestyle footbag community, both mentally and physically. I was also thinking that, instead of just one person traveling all around the world, we could save travel expenses and have people from their respective regions shoot interviews among the players, people on the street, and of course, some sick-ass shred. Then, they could all ship it to a central location, where it would all be compiled. Of course, some logistical problems would have to be worked out, like tape format, but this is just an idea. --Scot "Shiggy" Pipkin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 9 20:48:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11006 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:48:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13810 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:35:38 -0800 Received: from c4720a ([24.178.207.137]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001207214122.DZFO15594.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c4720a>; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:41:22 -0800 Message-ID: <001801c0609e$8cae3420$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> From: "Richard Reese" To: "jono heyes" , , "Matthew Kain Lewandowski" References: <3.0.2.32.20001204133957.00f50ff0@students.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this ridiculous? Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:39:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It was an ominous evening back in 1993, a few of us had gathered in the infamous Holiday Inn, Golden Co. I had recently purchased what I thought to be the coolest video camera around. It weighed in at a mere 37.5 pounds, hard to keep on ones shoulders, O.K., it wasn't quite that heavy, but a VHS tape could fit inside it, remember those days? Anyway, I had just invented Blurriest, Kenny and I had an argument, he didn't think I had performed the third dex of the move, others thought I had, I yelled in a rage....... thats why it's called Blurriest.... it happens so fast,YOU couldn't see the dex. We rewound the gargantuan video recorder to in fact see that I had done the triple-dex move. He apologized, we hugged, we won Worlds. There was a slight amount of writers embellishment there, but it is close to accuracy. Shortly thereafter, I hit Swirling Symposium Whirling Swirl, on tape, having again to rewind to clarify the dexes, yes, it was clean. I have since lost that crazy swirl set, I did, however, hit Swirling Whirl, and Swirling Symposium Whirl that day. I believe that Jonathon (jedi) can hit swirling whirl and probably some other good swirling set start stuff too! Just one more quick story, I think it was 1988, I was visiting Kenny in Eugene Or., He was going to school there and I had come into town for a freestyle tourney. Dave Yevin was there, Jon Lind, Dennis Ross, Jack Schoolcraft, Etienne Constable. All these pre-bap shredders deserve props for all they taught me. Kenny had just invented Mobius.... I believe after the works of the great Escher, Yes, mobius, in 1988. Kenny invented it, but that Dave Yevin kid could hit it like nobodys business.....He truly could have been one of the best ever if he didn't drop out of sight in 1991, crazy talent. The funny thing is, Kenny had just tried to teach me Whirl, Yes, Whirl, and I kept doing an inside mirage, it drove me crazy. He kept hitting it, and I kept hitting an inside mirage...... I did finally learn the move though. I have plenty more stories, stay tuned for the next episodes of Bedtime freestyle stories with Rippin' RR. Keep Shreddin' everybody and by the way James, throw some names out there for Nuclear Down-double.... how about Superconductor? Later all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Kain Lewandowski" To: "jono heyes" ; Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this ridiculous? > As I recall, a while back someone mentioned that Rippin' has hit both > swirling symposium whirl and swirling symposium whirling swirl. Since the > man himself is on the list, I'd love to hear what he has to say about it. > Rippin'? > Either way, these moves are about as insane as you can get. > Matt Kain - Madison Footbag From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 9 20:51:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11030 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:51:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web9009.mail.yahoo.com (web9009.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.171]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA27211 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 06:51:57 -0800 Message-ID: <20001208055734.67704.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.233.72.2] by web9009.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 21:57:34 PST Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 21:57:34 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Wilson Subject: [freestyle] ? about a move To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Had a quick question. Set, duck, same[dex]IN, op toe. Do you get a paradox add? Thanks, Mike ===== Ft. Worth Hackaholics Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 9 20:52:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11035 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:52:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f144.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.144]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02169 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:49:27 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 07:55:04 -0800 Received: from 211.117.39.59 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:55:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.117.39.59] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Europe Tourneys? Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 15:55:04 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A2DBA26.C68FDD98@nilenet.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2000 15:55:04.0862 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B0FC3E0:01C0612F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The late great Daryl Genz wrote: >Hey All You Shredders on the Other Side of the Planet... > >I'm just wondering if there are any European events pending >for any time near the beginning of July as there is >a very good chance I'll be going out there around this time... How early in July? If I may leak some not-so-secret information the next Euro masters is scheduled for July 12-15 in Prague (quite possibly the most awesome place on earth), plan around it. My condolences to the Genz family, a sad loss that such a talented man should explode into bloody bits trying a nucular ducking symposium double over down twirling dragon-blender. Cheers all. -Andrew > >Please respond privately. > >Thanks. > >Daryl Genz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 9 20:54:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11054 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:54:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com ([216.33.241.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10393 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:20:39 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:19:28 -0800 Received: from 152.163.195.176 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 02:19:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.195.176] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: KenShults@aol.com, heyjo_790@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this ridiculous? Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:19:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9b.d9f9c8a.275cf1c5@aol.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2000 02:19:28.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FBD84F0:01C0624F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Kenny Shults wrote: >Rippin hit swirling whirling swirl at least 5 years ago or more. I'm not sure >if he did it symposium or not. I'd bet he could do it either way. Rippin's >swirls RULE. > >Kenny Shults I totally agree with Kenny, I've been skooling swirls off of vid clips of Rippin for almost 4 months now and I'd have to say he's like my idol now. So much finesse, so stylee... and swirling whirling swirl...Jiminy Christmas! This is weird I used to wonder if I could get Kenny Shults' autograph now I'm resonding to his messages...footbag is tres cool. ~Bryan Fournier OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach, CA. "Skool good...school bad." From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 9 21:21:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11112 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:21:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17216 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:16:05 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.201.146]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G5A000GL2T4OZ@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:58:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 17:59:08 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] I found some cheap lavers To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <000901c06183$b685b580$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Size 9 original Lavers on ebay. I'm not selling them hehe.. They are pretty inexpensive. $26.00 right now. just a bit over a day left. I hope the footbag players don't bid each other up. ps I need a pair of size 12 millenniums desperately. Anyone care to trade some for my SOUL!??! Alright thanks! - Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 9 21:25:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11123 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:25:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web803.mail.yahoo.com (web803.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.63]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA13294 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:15:11 -0800 Received: (qmail 15797 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2000 05:08:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20001210050824.15796.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <001801c0609e$8cae3420$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> Received: from [63.14.207.52] by web803.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 21:08:24 PST Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:08:24 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this ridiculous? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Richard Reese wrote: > and by > the way James, throw some names out there for > Nuclear Down-double I did, "Geesha". Pronouced Gee-sha. Not G-sha or Gay-sha. LOVE the stories. Tell some more. Thank you for the ripwalk rippin'. Later, James From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 9 21:39:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11192 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:39:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from falcon.continet.com (ns1.continet.com [206.58.168.254]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13562 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:30:59 -0800 Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.58.32.31]) by falcon.continet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-60955U4500L350S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:34:58 -0800 X-Sender: freefloe@continet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Becca Ross Subject: Re: [freestyle] Is this ridiculous? Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:34:58 -0800 Message-ID: <20001210053458875.AAA63@falcon.continet.com@LOCALNAME> In-Reply-To: <001801c0609e$8cae3420$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Rippin wrote: >I think it was 1988, I was visiting Kenny in >Eugene Or., He was going to school there and I had come into town for a >freestyle tourney. Dave Yevin was there, Jon Lind, Dennis Ross, Jack >Schoolcraft, Etienne Constable. All these pre-bap shredders deserve props >for all they taught me. Kenny had just invented Mobius.... I believe after >the works of the great Escher, Yes, mobius, in 1988. I was a spectator at this tournament. I came up from Berkeley, Ca with Constance and Etienne to this tourney and to see my boyfriend at the time, Dan, who got me into kicking. We all stayed at my parents house. (Many of you have met my folks, they have been to 6 Worlds and really love the footbag community and the sport.) I think we have video footage from this tournament. It's pretty entertaining. Rippin hit an amazing routine without sound as it completely went out during his routine (blew out the speakers). Raul O'Donnell was there too...I think he was really close to triple around the worlds in the late 1980s. Eight players from this tournament have created 4 footbag marriages. Who are these players? peace, Becca From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 14 01:15:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22084 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:15:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f227.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.227]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14660 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 22:55:28 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 22:54:51 -0800 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 06:54:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirling Torque?/Nuclear 2xDn/Whirling... Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:54:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20001207202406.1685.qmail@web2004.mail.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2000 06:54:51.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[17DD83B0:01C06276] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, > >Genz: > > Nuclear Double Down > > Paul's hit this one too. No name given yet. > >Risden: > > Yes. This may sound dumb to everyone else, but I > > suggest that Nuclear Double Over-down (clip> same > > out> op out> same out> op clip) be givin the name > > "Geesha". Eli: >Well, I haven't hit it, but I always thought >Nuclear Fusion was fitting. I feel really silly doing this, cause I also haven't hit it, but last year when thinking about this move I just though Cold Fusion would make the most sense, cause at the time I thought the move was impossible (just like cold fusion). Like I've said in the past though, it is the right of the shredder who hits a move to name it. Out of curiosity though, what is a Geesha? Ken CF Somolinos PS-I will be making a trip to Southern California in January. I will be in San Diego from the 9th of January to the twentieth. I'll be bringing a few copies of "Feets of Fury," the new freestyle tape made by Mickey Mayer and myself. If anybody in the area is interested in picking up a copy while I'm there, please contact me personally. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 14 01:16:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22089 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:16:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sfo.jsishipping.com (jsishipping.com [207.33.33.34]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18491; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:31:16 -0800 Received: from sfofw1.jsishipping.com ([207.33.33.36]) by sfo.jsishipping.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64750U500L500S0V35) with SMTP id com; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:30:09 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:31:29 -0800 Message-ID: <01C06387.6E70E0C0.ewulff@jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: "'freestyle'" Cc: "'ewulff@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] styly triva - footbag marriages... Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:31:27 -0800 Organization: JSI SHIPPING X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Becca regarding a freestyle tourney in Eugene, OR in 1988 asked... >Eight players from this tournament have created 4 footbag marriages. Who >are these players? Becca & Dennis Kenny & Kendall Etienne & Constance & Jody & Brent Do I get points as an old schooler or a new schooler on this one? Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 14 01:17:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22094 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:17:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21801 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:53:37 -0800 Received: from nilenet.com (slip144.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.167]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/09072000-01) with ESMTP id RAA01035; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:53:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A357677.D961FB95@nilenet.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:51:03 -0700 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Baker CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gyro moves. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Baker wrote: > While I'm writing a disjointed nonsensical email, does anyone have > any good tips for the nuclear set? I find a paradox mirage hard > enough, and I'm confused as to how you can get your leg around it > while it's still going up (other than raw speed I guess). First thing's first, a nuclear set is (as I think you know) a paradox reverse (out-in, rather than in-out) mirage. The key for me is that your dex leg really wants to move as little as possible. This is partly achieved by not changing the bend in your knee of your set/dex foot during the move (keep it bent in the same position it has to be in to catch a clipper) and also achieved by basically rotating dex your leg in the hip socket and then fully (90 degrees +/-) twisting your hips into the set... One last big factor is that your support foot hops up, and does about a 90 degree turn into the set as well - similar to the shift required for a paradox drifter. When I do it, my set foot travels directly behind my support knee in an effort to minimize leg movement and keep my dex leg tight to my body - I used to draw blood back when I was wearing sandals because the strap would catch the back of my knee. I know that with a little practice this could be duck/dive-able, but as I said before this move can SERIOUSLY tweak ye ol' back- so be careful and above all don't force it. Daryl Genz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 14 12:14:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24378 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:14:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14499 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:52:15 -0800 Received: from patti.excite.com ([199.172.148.159]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001214185134.OPUD9549.ewey.excite.com@patti.excite.com> for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:51:34 -0800 Message-ID: <29080077.976819894650.JavaMail.imail@patti.excite.com> In-Reply-To: <3A357677.D961FB95@nilenet.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:51:34 -0800 (PST) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gyro moves. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 206.172.146.119 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freestyle World! Daryl wrote about the nuclear set... > I used to draw blood back when I was wearing > sandals because the strap would catch the back of my knee. Lavers do that too. The edge of the toe box can be quite damaging. Has anyone ever hit nuclear drifter? Eli or Daryl? Or anybody else? Nuclear drifter: clip > same out > op in > same clip it looks simple in jobs notation but it's one of the hardest trick ever in my opinion. See you at the Shred Symposium. -Yacine From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 17 18:40:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15392 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:40:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail-dns2-nj.dialogic.com (mail-dns2-nj.dialogic.com [146.152.228.11]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17849 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:42:17 -0800 Received: from mail4.dialogic.com (mail4.dialogic.com [146.152.6.40]) by mail-dns2-nj.dialogic.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: dialogic.m4,v 1.3 2000/05/05 13:56:23 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id UAA23962 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 20:49:18 GMT Received: from exchange3nj.dialogic.com (mailnj.dialogic.com [146.152.3.18]) by mail4.dialogic.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04680 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by mailnj.dialogic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:42:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Coventry, Damian" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] What is a geesha? Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:41:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > -----Original Message----- > From: KeN Somolinos [mailto:footbug@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 7:55 PM > > Out of curiosity though, what is a Geesha? wozn't that Apu's god from the simpsons? i don't know how good of a reference the simpsons is tho.... damian ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _O_/ Oo_ _O / | o _/\ \ /_|\/ /|/` /| |o| \ |\ ' / ' ' ` ` Sole Delay Neck Delay Bufferfly Delay From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 17 18:40:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15393 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:40:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18061 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:47:20 -0800 Received: from nilenet.com (slip154.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.177]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/09072000-01) with ESMTP id NAA03618; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:47:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A393175.DCB590F6@nilenet.com> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:45:41 -0700 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yacine Merzouk CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gyro moves. References: <29080077.976819894650.JavaMail.imail@patti.excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yacine Merzouk wrote: > > I used to draw blood back when I was wearing > > sandals because the strap would catch the back of my knee. > > Lavers do that too. The edge of the toe box can be quite damaging. Not if you cut it off ;-) Daryl From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 17 18:48:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15436 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:48:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19566 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:35:15 -0800 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:35:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA881D242D@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] The Chilly Philly Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:35:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone- Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........ I just wanted to drop one last reminder about the upcoming Chilly Philly Freestyle Jam which will be held 12/30/00 in Newtown PA (near Philadelphia). If you're going to be anywhere even remotely near to this event, please stop in -- YOU DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT TO MISS THIS EVENT!!! There is going to be a really nice group of BAP players (Including a handful of World Champions), and all other levels of play will be represented as well. Spectators are of course welcome. All details including a list of hotels, costs, attendees... are on the event listing at: http://www.footbag.org/calendar/show/974849766 Please read the entire event listing before emailing me any questions. Thanks, and I hope to see you there! Bob Riefer Philly Footworks From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 17 18:48:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15437 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:48:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f207.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.207]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24456 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:51:53 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:51:17 -0800 Received: from 64.92.29.106 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:51:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.92.29.106] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] gyro/spinning flux? Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:51:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 23:51:17.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[C026B0E0:01C06628] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, lots of talk about gyro moves, so i had to ask, has anyone hit gyro or spinning flux? try not to hurt your back if you try it.. just wondering. craziness. gyro symposium flux? keep shredding, stan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Dec 17 19:08:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15513 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:08:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f207.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.207]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18328 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:10:05 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:09:29 -0800 Received: from 205.237.40.6 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:09:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.237.40.6] From: "Kavin Thiffault" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Gyro Move Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:09:29 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2000 15:09:29.0508 (UTC) FILETIME=[058E1E40:01C066A9] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi footbag community, I tought of this move and wondering if anyone ever hit it and if it has a name. In job's notation it looks like : clip ­­> set (backspin) > same out dex > same out dex > op clip Like a Gyro Butterfly but with one more crazy dex ! I'll have to school for years to hit this! Hope to be in Philly Kavin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:05:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19863 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:05:25 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from www0i.netaddress.usa.net (www0i.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.38]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA10648 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:44:12 -0800 Received: (qmail 7411 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2000 10:44:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20001218104402.7410.qmail@www0i.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.38 by www0i for [129.132.1.35] via web-mailer(34WB1.4A.01) on Mon Dec 18 10:44:02 GMT 2000 Date: 18 Dec 00 11:44:02 MET From: Jan Zimmermann To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] ADD System X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4A.01) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id CAA16105 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everybody, just a few short questions: -is there an official body that developes, dictates, revises the ADD System on a regular basis? -Are all the moves on the Freestyle List correct regarding their add count (i.e. why don't head stall, knee delay, etc. get a delay add?) -Can someone explain to me how to figure the add count on flyers and gimpys? Do you only count elements inbetween contacts as Adds towards one move or does a gimpy count as a move element. For instance does clip>opp in>opp knee bonk (gimpy right?)>opp out>opp clip or clip>duck>jump>opp in>opp inside kick>duck>same out>opp clip count as one or two moves? Sorry for these silly questions, I don't usaully bother about adds that much but I'm trying to furnish our webpage (www.footbag.ch) with videos to our movelist and it got me thinking... Merry Christmas everyone and have a happy new year! Jan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:06:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19910 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:06:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f90.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.90]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA13420 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 05:15:35 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 05:14:59 -0800 Received: from 128.214.84.159 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:14:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.214.84.159] From: "Samuli Viitanen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] worlds 2001 & modifying millenniums Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:14:59 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2000 13:14:59.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[861CFED0:01C068F4] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A big HI to everyone from Finland! A while ago on this list, Greg Nelson (as I recall) asked something about the date of worlds 2001. I'd also like to know if there is some kind of possible dates fixed for this mega-event yet. So if possible, the person who knows about this, mail me privately. Thanks. And an other question (short one too:): is it possible to cut the inner layer of fabric from the millennium lavers' insides and toes, like in 'normal' lavers? Again, please respond privately. I want to wish to all you on this list a happy christmas and a happy new year! Keep kickin' y'all! -Samuli Viitanen -finnishredder@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:04:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19858 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:04:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f228.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.228]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00580 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:40:01 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:33:04 -0800 Received: from 152.163.213.83 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:33:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.83] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: koopas4@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gyro Move Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:33:03 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2000 04:33:04.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C9969D0:01C068AB] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Kavin Thiffault" wrote: >Hi footbag community, > >I tought of this move and wondering if anyone ever hit it and if it has a >name. >In job's notation it looks like : >clip ­­> set (backspin) > same out dex > same out dex > op clip > >Like a Gyro Butterfly but with one more crazy dex ! >I'll have to school for years to hit this! > >Hope to be in Philly >Kavin like a gyro down double? a close cousin to scorpion's tail? that's tuff stuff... ~Bryan Fournier OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach, CA From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:07:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19928 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:07:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA13655 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 05:24:54 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id i.ac.e71512f (4329); Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:23:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:23:56 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gyro Move To: koopas4@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I think you're describing gyro barfly. Rippin hits it on one of the shred vids. I can't remember which one. Kenny Shults From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:08:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19943 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:08:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f40.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.40]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23033 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:42:39 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:42:03 -0800 Received: from 24.4.254.192 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:42:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.4.254.192] From: "Derric Scalf" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gyro Move Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:42:03 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2000 18:42:03.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[36ED9BC0:01C06922] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Kavin Thiffault" wrote: >I tought of this move and wondering if anyone ever hit it and if it has a >name. >In job's notation it looks like : >clip ­­> set (backspin) > same out dex > same out dex > op clip Sounds like a gyro legbeater. In an earlier email, Stan asked about gyro flux... I'm guessing that these two moves would be at about the same level of difficulty - really hard. I've never seen anyone hit this type of stuff. That's not to say that no one has hit it... I just haven't seen it. Cool moves. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:09:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19970 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:09:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web4601.mail.yahoo.com (web4601.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.156]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA31085 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:33:38 -0800 Message-ID: <20001218223328.21821.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.97.2.242] by web4601.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:33:27 PST Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:33:27 -0800 (PST) From: john kingi Subject: [freestyle] Christmass, Stepping set To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, As this is my last log on for the year, just thought I'd say merry Christmass to all. Cheers to all those players who've sent in tips or clips of themselves this year, cheers to Footbag.org for being so cool.. Special merry x-mass to the New Zealand Footbag community, Yall Know who you are... Thanks for all the help and see you all at the nationals. Happy New Year. Peace. Love. Johnny (Redeemer) Kingi P.S. Risden, That clip you posted Blurry Drifter... really helped me understand the stepping set, cheers bro. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:13:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20020 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:13:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net [129.250.36.43]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18568 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:03:10 -0800 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp id 148pS4-0000SO-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:03:04 +0000 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (helo=[209.107.90.78]) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with esmtp id 148pS3-0001OU-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:03:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:53:00 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: [freestyle] That new set circa chad... and more Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! It's 30 degrees in my workout area, snow is falling, I shred anyway. Freestyle is a way of life. I was working on that new set from chad, I can't remember what he called it. Anyway, I was also working on reverse miraging mobius (same as mobius with reverse dex). And I realized the component for that is Gyro Reverse Mirage. So while I was skoolin' those, I hit the extra crispy mobius (chad style) a bunch of times, then I tried the reverse miraging version of chads new set, and I think I stumbled upon a whole new set. Quick gyro set with reverse dex to anything. Oh, both sides. :-) Oh, big plans are afoot for the Chicago Millenium Jam... check out http://www.footbag.org for current info. See ya! Scott Davidson enlightener@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:14:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20031 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:14:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web11608.mail.yahoo.com (web11608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.60]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA05290 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:43:47 -0800 Message-ID: <20001221044341.48731.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.129.16.5] by web11608.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:43:41 PST Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:43:41 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Piltz Subject: [freestyle] AGGRESSIVE GROUNDS!!! best freestyle video ever To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org FREESTYLERS, http://footbagfreestyle.tripod.com I'd like to give a big thank you to everyone who supported me and Dave Holton in our early stages of video production. It was fun travelling the U.S. with our cameras constantly rolling, going broke just to make a decent video, since no one else did for almost two full years. Having two top players working together was definitely a great way to ensure quality of work, and for the experience I'm thankful and knowledgable. Now with five somewhat primitive shred videos under my belt, I embark on Phase II of my project to bring the sport of footbag into the public eye, as we all know it's ready. I have just released my latest motion picture, "Aggressive Grounds". "Aggressive Grounds" is 31 minutes, starring Peter Irish, Ahren Gehrman, Chad Devlahovich, Ryan Mulroney, Eric Windsor, Sunil Jani, (me) Eli Piltz, and Carol Wedemeyer, female world champion; with cameos of Allan Haggett, Dave Holton, and twelve year old prodigy Austin Sparks. The movie was shot with digital equipment by Sony, edited on an iMac system, and ran on a $3600 budget. The profits of this video will go directly toward the purchase of finer equipment for use on future video projects. CHECK IT OUT! http://footbagfreestyle.tripod.com Also, I produced a four minute promotional video for freestyle. Its versatile design enables its use as a tool for players seeking sponsorship, tournament directors promoting an event, and overall promotion of the sport of footbag freestyle. The promo video is available for a meager price. Thanks for everything and happy holidays, Eli Zohar Piltz ezshredz@yahoo.com 858-488-2133 From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:15:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20042 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:15:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08123 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:38:31 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.200.63]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G5W007JSNBUXN@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:28:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:29:26 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: [freestyle] Bust Out Now Internet Preveiw To: Freestyle Mailing List Message-id: <001501c06b17$5e1c32a0$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Stylers, Thanks to a little ingenuity from James Risden, there is a preview of Bust Out Now available for download. As of right now, the only format available is windows media file. If you have the latest windows media player, you can click right on the link below to see the preview. It is less than 2 megs so even on a 56k modem you will only have to wait at most 5 minutes to download it. Ordering info can be found on the OOPS! web page. Video link: http://www.penny-lane.com/oops/videos/bustoutnow.wmv OOPS! Page: http://www.penny-lane.com/oops -Sam Colclough OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach http://www.penny-lane.com/oops From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:18:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20139 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:18:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c1mailgw06.prontomail.com (mailgw.prontomail.com [216.163.184.10] (may be forged)) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12356 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:11:24 -0800 Received: from c1web104 (216.163.184.10) by c1mailgw06.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.1.050) id 3A413A6E0002C0CF for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:10:48 -0800 X-Version: homestead 6.2.3.2361.0 From: "Frank Montanaro" Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:11:17 -0600 X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Footbag Fever Done! X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey I finished the game! It now has music, pics and other stuff. I couldn't add a bunch of freestyle tricks because it is impossible for ME to do that. :-( Anyways, download it here> http://brownsvillefootbag.homestead.com/files/FootbagFever.ZIP , or visit the site to see screenshots at http://brownsvillefootbag.homestead.com/Footbagfever.html . I hope you enjoy it, it took a lot of time and effort to make. Frank (Dahacker) Check out Born2Hack's site http://go.to/born2hack |-|/-\[|<`|' $/-\[|< From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:21:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20194 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:21:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25995 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:07:53 -0800 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA87752; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:07:37 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:07:37 -0800 (PST) From: Sunil Subhash Jani To: "Coventry, Damian" cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] What is a geesha? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ken wrote: > > Out of curiosity though, what is a Geesha? The Omen Child replied: > wozn't that Apu's god from the simpsons? i don't know how > good of a reference the simpsons is tho.... I would expect the son of the devil to be better up on his world religions... well, come to think of it... Hindu's don't believe in your dad so why should you know all of their gods' names? ANYWAY... Apu is a Hindu. He believes in a pantheon of gods (think of it as a diversified, multiplied trinity), one of which is Ganesh or Ganeesh (the one with the elephant head), NOT GEESHA... I know what a Geisha is, but not a Geesha. While we are trying to be offensive to others, let me just say that Damian's mom is so nasty... everytime I call her for phone sex... she gives me an ear infection. Touche. Sunil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:26:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20327 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:26:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32608 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:19:48 -0800 Received: from pacbell.net ([64.162.178.223]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G5Q001JFX6KYL@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:15:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:16:09 -0800 From: Chris Pinkus Subject: Re: [freestyle] What is a geesha? To: "Coventry, Damian" , freestyle footbag Reply-to: blitzkrieger@footbag.org Message-id: <3A3D8F89.3C19126F@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf References: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey those are good drawings of footbag moves, does anyone think that can take over jobs' notation someday? :) Oh, and I think Apu's god was Vishnu, or something. Chris P "Coventry, Damian" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: KeN Somolinos [mailto:footbug@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 7:55 PM > > > > Out of curiosity though, what is a Geesha? > > wozn't that Apu's god from the simpsons? i don't know how > good of a reference the simpsons is tho.... > > damian > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _O_/ Oo_ _O > / | o _/\ \ /_|\/ > /|/` /| |o| > \ |\ ' / > ' ' ` ` > Sole Delay Neck Delay Bufferfly Delay From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:28:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20387 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:28:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f7.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.7]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06993 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:43:29 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:42:53 -0800 Received: from 24.226.208.194 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:42:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.226.208.194] From: "Kavin Thiffault" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Paradox Ducking/Diving Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:42:53 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2000 23:42:53.0362 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC8FB920:01C06BA7] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Is there a way to do a paradox ducking/diving move ? I'm not sure about the Job's Notation My friend Samuel hit a move who looks like a RipWarrior but with the ducking starting on the other side of the body. He thinks it's Zoulou (?) but he'S not sure. Someone can help him ? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:32:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20456 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:32:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22979 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:23:25 -0800 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna43.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.54]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA34272 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:23:12 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001222162021.00abbf00@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:22:11 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Gyro Moves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I believe some people have been writing in about gyro down double down. This move is called Bullwhip, and I know that Josh Penny's hit it. Shred on, Alex (Integer, P.S.T) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 14:32:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20467 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:32:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23211 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:29:07 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G5Z05J01QFZUZ@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:28:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:28:47 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] ? about a move In-reply-to: <20001208055734.67704.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> To: Michael Wilson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Had a quick question. Set, duck, same[dex]IN, > op toe. Do you get a paradox add? Yes. Ducking Pdx Mirage. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 22 15:21:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20943 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:21:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net [129.250.36.43]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26507 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:48:44 -0800 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp id 148O4E-0003z9-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:48:38 +0000 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (helo=[209.107.90.78]) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with esmtp id 148O4E-0005Bo-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:48:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 08:38:08 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [freestyle] Chicago Millenium Jam update Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Footbag Enthusiasts! (Intended for all to see through announce, but reposted to freestyle after almost a week of waiting otherwise, this is time sensitive information that needs to get out) Plans for the Chicago Millenium Jam are exploding. We have new hotel information, demonstration schedule and New Years Party information in this correspondence. Dates: December 30-31 McCormick Place South Building in conjunction with: "Holiday Sports Festival" http://www.footbag.org/calendar/show/974907258 NEW! HOTEL INFORMATION: Sponsor hotel is Hyatt Regency McCormick Place... the same excellent hotel as from Worlds99. This is walking distance, through heated tunnels, to the site. DISCOUNTED Rate of $69.00 is about a $250 SAVINGS over their rack rates. The rooms are available until the "block" is full, which means first come first serve. You CANNOT BOOK ONLINE, the rate is only available by calling the hotel directly, asking for reservations and booking a room under the CODEWORD: "Holiday Sports Festival" (from Mayors Office of Special Events, to be more specific). Rooms available through, but NOT INCLUDING New Year's Eve night (they are fully booked for new years eve), December 26th through December 30th. To BOOK ROOMS, call: Hyatt Regency McCormic (direct number) +1 312 567 1234 (Remember to identify yourself as with the "Holiday Sports Festival") For Hotel Info, but NOT FOR BOOKING, check out: http://www.hyatt.com/usa/chicago/hotels/hotel_chimp.html NEW: SATURDAY AND SUNDAY FROM NOON to 1:00 we have control of the MAIN STAGE for footbag demos, this is in addition to our normal dedicated shred and net areas. All Demo volunteers are welcome, we will coordinate the actual demo on-site based on attendance. NEW: Communications Direct, our main sponsor, is offering up to 20 FREE TICKETS ($50 per ticket face value) to one of the hottest new years parties in Chicago... the Grand Ballroom on Navy Pier, live music and wild times. These tickets will be available to staff of the event (for people who help out during the event), and to participants if there are any extras. Our goal is to accomodate everyone who would like to attend, however the total number of participants is solely determined by Communications Direct, HyperRooster Events and the directors of this exhibition. You must be 21 to participate in this party, however. This will be a great way to kick-off the new year! (BELOW CONTENT IS FROM WEB SITE) Come Freestylers, Come Netters, Come Consecutives Mongers of all ages! This is a JAM! A free event that gives us a venue to display the sport of footbag to other sports enthusiasts, as well as a chance to JAM until our legs go numb. Then PARTY to celebrate the beginning of the new millenium! More party info will be available here later. Be a part of a new tradition in Chicago... the Holiday Sports Festival (this was previously the annual 3-on-3 basketball tournament)! A free event for spectators that allows competition in Basketball, floor hockey, nerf football, volleyball and soccer... and hosts interactive zones featuring: FOOTBAG, Badmitton, Ping Pong, Kick Ball, FourSquare, a Climbing Wall, Fishing Pond, Boxing, toddler sports area and fitness stage. They are also hosting clinics by Chicago Bears, Chicago Bulls, Chicago Fire (soccer), Chicago Enforcers (XFL). Chances to win prizes in these clinics. Sponsored by: Chicago Sun-times, Chicago Transit Authroity, Chicagoland Television, Coca-Cola, Communications Direct, ESPN Radio 1000, FOX Chicago, FOX Sports Net, Hyatt Regency at McCormick Place, Sparkling Spring Water, and XFL Enforcers. THANKS! Scott Davidson enlightener@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 23 13:31:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26754 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 13:31:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [216.86.64.33]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19848 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:18:29 -0800 Received: from scratchyball.nodomain (matt@usr05-030.provide.net [216.86.67.30]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.0/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18155 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:18:21 -0500 (EST) From: matt craig To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Paradox Reverse Whirl vs. Butterfly Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:48:42 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00122310112205.17366@scratchyball.nodomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Though the JOBS looks the same: (clip > same out > op clip) Pdx rv whirl and butterfly from a clipper set are as distinct as whirl and swirl. GFSmoothie was hitting pdx rv whirl left and right on the most recent stop of the Tour of Michigan in Mt. Pleasant (OK, he was just hitting them right, not left, but still...), removing all doubt about it being a distinct move and proving it's more difficult and deserves the paradox add. (if it weren't for the paradox, I'd say it gets a body add since you can't do it and still have a foot on the ground). The differences?: The set - you have to set it way over to the other side of your body, not just in front of you; the pivot - instead of a small hip pivot you have to throw your knee out dexing your ankle around the bag; and as mentioned your are FLYING through the air trying to dex AND delay the bag on the pdx rv whirl. There is no confusing a hip pivot and a knee pivot in this case. matt -- MichiganFootbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 23 13:32:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26765 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 13:32:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha1.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.20]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26795 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:01:31 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001223200111.OHFO1105.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:01:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3A45051D.E518994E@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:03:41 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] ADD System References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Jan Zimmermann > >-is there an official body that developes, dictates, revises the ADD >System >on >a regular basis? Nope. >-Are all the moves on the Freestyle List correct regarding their add >count This list (http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/) is the most official thing that we have. To the best of my knowledge it is 100% correct. If there are any errors, please let me know via private email. > why don't head stall, knee delay, etc. get a delay add?) You only get a delay add on the lower half of your body. Why? I don't really know... that's just the way it is. For the head stall, you get one add for the unusual - no delay because it is above the waist. For the knee stall, you get a delay (below the waist), but no unusual (knees were one of the first surfaces used). >-Can someone explain to me how to figure the add count on flyers and >gimpys? Currently, the add system defines a move as anything between two contacts. So, gimpy stuff gets really screwed by the system. At least with fliers you get the body add for making the contact while in the air. > For instance does > >clip>opp in>opp knee bonk (gimpy right?)>opp out>opp clip > >count as one or two moves? By current conventions, these are two moves. A one add move to a three add move. Add ratio = 2.00 In other words, don't throw gimpy stuff into a 45 second shred contest. It'll hurt you more than it'll help. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Dec 23 13:32:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26776 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 13:32:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha1.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.20]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27873 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:42:38 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([24.21.169.241]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001223204227.ONUB1105.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:42:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3A450EC6.FCC8FA28@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:44:54 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Bullwhip and stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Oops. Someone posted asking about this move: clip > (back) spin > same out > same out > op clip I mistakenly called this a gyro legbeater. It isn't. A gyro legbeater would be: clip > (back) spin > same out > OP out > op clip As someone was nice enough to point out, the move in question is a gyro down double (bullwhip). I have seen Rippin hit this, and I'm sure many others have also hit it. It is now on the movelist. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 26 23:16:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19107 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:16:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: David Sanchez Received: from imo-r15.mail.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32455 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:26:26 -0800 Received: from Orbspiders@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id z.f6.5f6c099 (15868) for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from web27.aolmail.aol.com (web27.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.3]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:25:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:25:47 EST Subject: [freestyle] Seasons Greetings & Reminder To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freestyle community, I would like to wish everyone and their family a safe and wonderful holiday. If at all possible I highly recommend your attending philly footworks' "chilly philly" jam which will be happening on the thirtieth of this month. Plenty of fun will be had as we shred the last few moments of the millenium away. Information for this event can be found on the events listings on footbag.org. Also if you are far away from this event it just might mean that you are close to another event. The new year is going to be full of freestyle and hopefully that is foreshadowing for the new millenium. So get your head back in the game and bust out some illness!!! I'm psyched for this event and cannot wait to see everyone who is planning on attending. If you are in the area and do not think that it will be worth it I remind you to please check out the event listing for a list of those attending. Should be a great time. Safe and happy holidays and a wonderful new year to all!!!!! david sanchez philly footworks From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 26 23:17:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19121 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:17:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05796 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 22:02:44 -0800 Received: (qmail 4776 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2000 05:02:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20001224050238.4775.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.79.223.239] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 21:02:38 PST Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 21:02:38 -0800 (PST) From: ERiC WiNDSoR Subject: [freestyle] Phat Combos abound. To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers. Today I witnessed one of the phattest combos by my roomate shredonlawn: Paradox Legbeater>Blurry Torque>Spinning Osis>Ducking Butterfly>Diving Paradox Mirage>Atom Smasher! Then after that he proceded to bust a tripless combo around 25 that was hein (no symposium butterflys) He also hit gyro blender (or peeking blender) to paradox blender I just wanted to boast for him cause hes hittin some of the sickest shit and REPRESENTS! Eric Windsock O /|\ o \\ _// ` From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 26 23:17:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19112 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:17:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saturn.wwc.edu (IDENT:postfix@saturn.wwc.edu [199.236.178.1]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02298 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:55:30 -0800 Received: from student.wwc.edu (student.wwc [10.82.5.3]) by saturn.wwc.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C6197001C for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from WWC-Message_Server by student.wwc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:55:10 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 16:54:20 -0800 From: "Erik Engeberg" To: Subject: [freestyle] Laver help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id QAA27153 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does anyone out there have troubles with their pixie sets with lavers on? I can do left foot pixie sets no problem, but i have trouble consistently doing right foot pixie sets. Barefoot is no problem though. I did a barefoot smog with my right foot the other day. What can be done to help this problem? -EdE- From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 26 23:18:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19142 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:18:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.87]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05823 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 22:04:13 -0800 Received: from c4720a ([24.178.207.137]) by femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001225060407.ZXAF16755.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c4720a>; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 22:04:07 -0800 Message-ID: <001201c06e42$0d344480$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> From: "Richard Reese" To: Cc: Subject: [freestyle] EVERYTHING Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 23:12:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Since the addition to the family, We've been very busy, as many of you out there know. I'm really bad at sending out Christmas cards to my friends and family,therefore, Merry Christmas and a Happy and healthy New Year to everybody involved with Footbag. This is an incredible group of people and I'm proud to be involved with all of you. Well, I am kind of fond of the freestylers, but same wishes go out to you Net players and consecutives junkies(are there any of those left?) Blessings to all. See you all soon, (but not soon enough). Take care, Rippin' and Family. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 26 23:19:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19156 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:19:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-r13.mail.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22331 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 10:27:27 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id z.c8.e9a5e97 (4241) for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 13:26:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 13:26:38 EST Subject: [freestyle] Orange Sweatshirt and Whirled Shred To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Stylers, At worlds, Eric Wulff was wearing an orange hooded sweatshirt that said "footbag" in white block letters on the back, anyone know where I can get one of those, or if anyone has an extra lying around, do they want to sell it to me? I think it was from the east coast championships 96. Also, I just finished watching Whirled Shred and Just Shred, and I must say, I was impressed. 2 hours of shred for $17 is well worth it to me (Eric did not pay me to say this, I really liked the vids ;) ). Lots of great freestyle, and a little bit of fun "fluff" footage thrown in. Nice. Matt Cross University of Rochester Rochester, NY From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 26 23:20:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19185 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:20:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f52.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.52]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27807 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:29:57 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:29:20 -0800 Received: from 165.247.33.21 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:29:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.33.21] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Worlds 2000 and the 15th Funtastik Summer classic Freestyle tape Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 17:29:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2000 22:29:20.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[201BAF90:01C06EC2] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freestylers, I am very proud and excited to announce that Mickey Mayer and myself have just completed and are now offering to the freestyle community "Feets of Fury: The best of Worlds 2000 and Funtastik." Feets of Fury is a digitally edited freestyle tape featuring the best shred, shred contest, and routine footage from the 2000 World Championships and the 15th Funtastik summer classic. The video is just over two hours long, and features slow motion, player and move name superimpositions, 20 featured musical tracks, a real audiosection, and lots of funny moments from both tournaments. Featured players include: Ryan Mulroney, Ahren Gehrman, Chad Devlahovich, Sunil Jani, Eric Windsor, Toby Robinson, Mika Koistinen, Lon Smith, Allan Haggett, Eli Piltz, Yacine Merzouk, Peter Irish, Austin Sparks, Richard Abshire, and many more (over 20 stylers)! Highlights include: -Dropless routines from Ryan Mulroney (2), Eric Wulff (2), Peter Irish, and Jere Linnanen. -Kenny Shults and Ken Somolinos' appearance on Good Morning America -Ahren Gehrman sealing symposium fusion -Ryan Mulroney sealing spinning symposium ps-whirling x-body rake and reverse vortex -Peter Irish juggling 3 balls in his hands and 3 on his feet For more information, please write to me or Mickey at Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org, or TheMouse@footbag.org respectively. Shred on! Ken Somolinos and Mickey Mayer PS-I will have copies of the tape with me at the Chilly Philly on the 30th, and I will bring some copies with me to San Diego from January 9th to the 20th. Interested parties should e-mail me, so I know how many copies to bring. Thanks. PPS- Thanks to Bruce Dole for supplying the Funtastiks footage. NYFA represent! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 26 23:21:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19201 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:21:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30717 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:47:53 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G67012010FHOH@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:47:41 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:47:41 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox Reverse Whirl vs. Butterfly In-reply-to: <00122310112205.17366@scratchyball.nodomain> To: matt craig Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, matt craig wrote: > The differences?: The set - you have to set it way over to the other side of > your body, not just in front of you; the pivot - instead of a small hip pivot > you have to throw your knee out dexing your ankle around the bag; and as > mentioned your are FLYING through the air trying to dex AND delay the bag on > the pdx rv whirl. > > There is no confusing a hip pivot and a knee pivot in this case. You're right about no cunfusion between hip and knee pivot, but I'll stop agreeing with you there. There is no difference in difficulty between the two pivots either. Shit Barfly's 4 and it's ALOT harder than reverse whirl but not worth 5. There is absolutely NO paradox feel to reverse whirl, no EXTRA pivot or dex or anything of the sort that would make it paradox. All that's being done is a dex with the lower part of the leg instead of the upper (butterfly). As for an extra body add, you get that if you do it symposium. As it is butterfly can't be symposium (at least that's what I hear ;) and reverse whirl can be and it also gets a "unique" in competition if I'm judging . It's at least high enough in add value that it's guiltless and if you're going for tripless you'd want to be hitting it symposium anyway because it's a thousand times easier than pdx whirl and it'd look cheap to throw it into a tripless run if it wasn't symposium. Really it gets all it deserves and it remains a cool enough move. And personally I think the move has become more cheap with all the debate. I see it or do it and I think "Oh yeah that move again". Anyway, it should never get a pdx add and that may suck for some people. If those people care enough about it then keep on fussing over it, but it's not a move that is worth this much fussing. Now clipper set symposium illusion, that's under added!!! Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 26 23:21:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19212 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:21:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31916 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:22:54 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G670130121Z0U@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:22:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 14:22:47 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] a Worlds 2001 question To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have never hosted a tournament and I would love to attempt Worlds but this summer would be bad because I'm getting married, but here's a question I just have to ask of tournament directors. Is it that much harder to host worlds than any of the other tournaments. I know it's a bigger tournament which means more people, space, hotels, time and staff. Is it too big of a leap to piggy back Worlds onto another tournament? With all the other tournaments going on this summer isn't there one that might pick up worlds instead or in conjunction with their own tournament. Something like "The Vancouver Open hosts Worlds 2001" or Philly Open or Westerns or Southerns or So Cal or something. Again I know nothing about running a tourney, but is it a possibilty since no one else has picked up the torch? Here's hoping, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 27 23:26:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21769 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:26:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21146 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 02:53:58 -0800 Received: from [10.0.5.71] (p1351.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.5.71]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12214 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:53:30 +1100 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mattsb@pop.ozemail.com.au Message-Id: Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:04:50 +1100 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Matt Baker Subject: [freestyle] When to try tiltless? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, and happy christmas/new year. I have been doing some down-under summer kicking recently, and feeling some improvement, but solid tiltless is still quite hard. I can do about 5-6 tiltless moves, but will probably drop after that. If I'm stalling in between moves I can go for mebbe 40 secs doing a couple of 3 adds as well, baily stuff like butterflies, osises, pdx mirage. I remember reading a while back Lynton posted his drill for tiltless; mirage, illusion, in atw, out atw, pixie, repeat. I'm trying this, but not solid enough yet. When is it time to stop tiltingin your strings? Anyone have any other useful drills they used to school up? (I remember another long ago post where someone said 'x told me when to stop tilting when it was time', so thought I might ask). I guess this is a slightly silly question, as the obvious answer would be, school tiltless all the time until you can do it in strings, but I'd definitely like to hear others' tiltless/guiltless drills. (or any drills for that matter) Also, looking forward to seeing Steve and Ryan at NZ champs in Jan 2001, and all you NZ kickers. A friend of mine, Karl, and I will be coming over from .au. Is anyone driving back to Wellington after this tournament and willing to share a ride? Would like to see my sister living in Wellington atm. Thanks for all your help this year, and I'll try to get some serious schooling in this southern hemisphere summer. -matt baker (.au version, not Eugene OR) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 27 23:26:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21775 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:26:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f39.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.39]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22581 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 04:31:00 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 04:30:24 -0800 Received: from 211.216.216.33 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:30:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.216.216.33] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] A call to video makers Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:30:24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2000 12:30:24.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[C928A950:01C07000] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just a simple request to video makers. Since a lot of you are now editing digitally anyway and the technology is not nearly as expensive as it was, I would encourage you to offer videos on CD or (preferably) DVD. VHS basically requires you to watch at home, in the living room and really makes it hard on people (like me) who tend to change countries (and video formats) fairly often. I'm really happy to see so many new videos out there, I just wish I could watch more of them (and had more time to practice :-( ). Take care, one and all. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 27 23:27:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21795 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:27:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31067 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:33:42 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G6801L01RNZF8@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:33:35 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:33:35 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver help In-reply-to: To: Erik Engeberg Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Erik Engeberg wrote: > Does anyone out there have troubles with their pixie sets with lavers > on? I can do left foot pixie sets no problem, but i have trouble > consistently doing right foot pixie sets. Barefoot is no problem > though. I did a barefoot smog with my right foot the other day. > What can be done to help this problem? Cut out the toe box. Just take a scissor and cut out the first two eyelets. It may make it harder to catch at first but you'll get used to it soon enough and you'll be amazed at your pixie set. If you don't want to be that drastic you should just try to take you're right set a little slower. As you set the bag, just wait a 1/2 second longer before trying to do the dex. Really though I think you should cut 'em. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 27 23:27:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21808 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:27:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f05n15.cac.psu.edu (f05s15.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.58]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03418 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:49:41 -0800 Received: from integer.psu.edu (ilanna25.shawneelink.net [216.240.67.36]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA46160 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:49:32 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20001227164628.00b58d90@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:48:25 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: Re: [freestyle] Worlds 2000 and the 15th Funtastik Summer classic Freestyle tape In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ken Somolinos mentioned the sealing of symposium fusion by Ahren German. Was this frontside, backside, or complete symposium (original style?) fusion? Any and all of these are insane, but I guess the one I'm hoping for is the second or last option. Alex (Integer, P.S.T.) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 28 20:22:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24496 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:22:42 -0800 Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30441 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:07:56 -0800 Received: from [24.16.29.39] (dialup-24-16-29-56.corp.home.net [24.16.29.56]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA23054 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:07:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: Host dialup-24-16-29-56.corp.home.net [24.16.29.56] claimed to be [24.16.29.39] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@209.125.90.21 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:06:57 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] a Worlds 2001 question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hah hah hah hah hah. Good one, Brad. :-) Steve At 2:22 PM -0700 12/26/00, Brad Kaplan wrote: > I have never hosted a tournament and I would love to attempt Worlds >but this summer would be bad because I'm getting married, but here's a >question I just have to ask of tournament directors. > Is it that much harder to host worlds than any of the other >tournaments. I know it's a bigger tournament which means more people, >space, hotels, time and staff. Is it too big of a leap to piggy back >Worlds onto another tournament? With all the other tournaments going on >this summer isn't there one that might pick up worlds instead or in >conjunction with their own tournament. Something like "The Vancouver Open >hosts Worlds 2001" or Philly Open or Westerns or Southerns or So Cal or >something. > Again I know nothing about running a tourney, but is it a possibilty >since no one else has picked up the torch? > > Here's hoping, > Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 28 20:23:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24510 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:23:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f39.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.39]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01860 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:33:22 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:32:46 -0800 Received: from 128.206.120.240 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:32:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] A call to video makers Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:32:46 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2000 19:32:46.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4BA6CC0:01C07104] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Andrew McCargar" wrote: >Since a lot of you are now editing digitally anyway and the technology >is not nearly as expensive as it was, I would encourage you to offer >videos on CD or (preferably) DVD. DVD, That is the best damn idea I have heard on this list in a while. I don't know how difficult it is to produce though. I, for one, would purchase every piece of footage produced on DVD. Cheers to Andrew. Later Ian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 28 20:26:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24530 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:26:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05461 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:56:34 -0800 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:57:05 -0500 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA88477E2E@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Chilly Philly might be really chilly... Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:56:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all- The Chilly Philly is still scheduled for 12/30/00 from 4 p.m. - 10 p.m. (see events listing for details) despite the possibility of a pretty decent snow storm that may hit us that day. Here's the basic "Snow Plan 2000"... If it's absolutely ridiculous outside, and you wouldn't even venture out for free beer and pizza with then expect that we're not venturing out either. On the other hand, if you'd be willing to head out to the video store, then the grocery store, and then to get some donuts, and then go wherever else before calling it a day and staying in where it's warm... Well then -- we'll be shredding in that case. The roads to get to the shred site are all major roads, so we should be OK. However, if there are 16 inches of snow... You get the idea -- we're going to be having the jam unless Pennsylvania is basically shut down or if it is just plain too dangerous for people to be traveling. Use your heads, and please be very careful. Shredding is terrific, but we want everyone to arrive safely else we don't want you leaving home in the first place. Leave early, drive slow.. you know the routine. I expect a barrage (heh heh.. pun?!) of phone calls should the weather to be yucky. Please do call if you're in doubt whatsoever, and I will let you know whether the weather will stop us from shredding. My number is 610/831/0684. OK. Enough of my blabbing. Take care, and talk soon. Bob Riefer Philly Footworks PS- There are a bunch of Jams going on this weekend... Get to one of them and have an excellent time!!! PPS- Happy New Year a lil early!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 28 20:26:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24541 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:26:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08284 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:54:00 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G6A02701YDIZ4@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:53:42 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:53:42 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] When to try tiltless? In-reply-to: To: Matt Baker Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whenever you move up a level it's really important to remember where you came from. I tried to go guiltless too early about a year and a half ago and it hurt my game more than helped it. If you are hitting 40 second strings that involve 3's that should add up to the realm of 35-45 contacts if not more. So I'd say it's time for you to make your move and get rid of those tilts. However don't go so fast as to make it too difficult. Examine your game a little. Are you going two tricks then tilting, 3 then tilt, four then tilt? Whichever it is then try to step it up by one every week or two. So if you can consistently hit 4 tricks before you tilt you should bump it up to 5 then 6 and so on. As for drills. I cannot stress this enough to anyone... WEAK SIDE. Any drill that does not skool your weak side as often as your strong side is not a real drill. There are individual things to skool like pixie and stepping sets but those aren't necessarily in your drills right now. I personally found that my string length suffers because I am way to one sided. When I told this to Daryl Genz he gave me the best advice ever..."always start a run with a weak side move". I've started doing that for the last two weeks and I can feel the weak side improvment. A good thing for you to skool would be clip> clip> clip> op clip> clip> clip. Try learning to bail to a clipper instead of a toe. Another good clipper drill and it helps to not bail to toe is clip> op in> same toe> same clip> op in> same toe> same clip. It's basically clipper> pickup> clipper> pickuIt's a great drill and it works both sides And helps you to at least do a 2 adder off a clipper. Hope all this helps. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 28 20:26:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24552 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:26:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08482 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:59:12 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G6A02801YMH12@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:59:05 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:59:05 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] some records? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've been wondering about some records of string length. guiltless tripless quadless Anybody know? I know Ryan hit 6 quadless a year ago and he's probably busted it since. I can only imagine what others like Ahren, Chad and Peter are pumping out. So? Anyone know? Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 28 20:27:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24569 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:27:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f118.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.118]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09038 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:16:54 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:16:18 -0800 Received: from 199.249.158.70 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 00:16:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.249.158.70] From: "pete irish" To: MatthewL329@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Orange Sweatshirt and Whirled Shred Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:16:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2000 00:16:18.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[90660A40:01C0712C] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sorry, Matt, but I dont think you'll be able to find that particular sweatshirt, cause it is from East coast championships, 1986, my first tournament, where I met the great Eric Wulff. Make him an offer for it, but I dont think he's givin it up! Pete Matt Cross wrote: >Hey Stylers, At worlds, Eric Wulff was wearing an orange hooded >sweatshirt that said "footbag" in white block letters on the back, >anyone know where I can get one of those, or if anyone has an extra >lying around, do they want to sell it to me? I think it was from the >east coast championships 96. Also, I just finished watching Whirled >Shred and Just Shred, and I must say, I was impressed. 2 hours of >shred for $17 is well worth it to me (Eric did not pay me to say this, >I really liked the vids ;) ). Lots of great freestyle, and a little bit >of fun "fluff" footage thrown in. Nice. > >Matt Cross >University of Rochester >Rochester, NY