From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 5 22:20:50 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28120 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:20:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from user ([24.69.36.80]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001229083325.TBFD21777.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@user> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 00:33:25 -0800 Message-ID: <004401c07172$76c66da0$50244518@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Allan Haggett" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] A call to video makers Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 00:36:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Andrew, Matt and anyone who cares :) Somone correct me if I'm waaay wrong, but DVD authoring is still *far* too expensive to be available for the limited production atmosphere of Footbag videos. The one DVD-RAM drive that I just priced from Panasonic was $799 with the disc's themselves clocking in at $40 a pop. Apparently their is also issue with the MPEG-2 DVD format and copyright protection etc... SO, unless someone gets in with a fairly big-time production house that can produce DVD's in an economic fashion(or I win the lotto), I can't see anyone coming out with a DVD based Footbag Production anytime soon as you'd have to charge $70-80/copy to make any money back. MPEG-1(or a similar codec), CD based production has already been done though and is as cheap(though more time consuming) than producing VHS, AS WELL as accomplishing the "open standard" which Andrew desires. The catch there however is in the length of the production. Get anywhere even close to DVD quality with MPEG-1 and your limited to under an hour(even less, I believe) of shred on a CD :( The technology is changing so fast though that all that could change within months, so keep your hopes up!! Allan KE Haggett PS Alex Zerbe mentioned something about the European Masters production being available on DVD on his listing for the Seattle T-Giving day Jam?? Is this fact or Alex's imagination? > "Andrew McCargar" wrote: > > >Since a lot of you are now editing digitally anyway and the technology > >is not nearly as expensive as it was, I would encourage you to offer > >videos on CD or (preferably) DVD. > > > > DVD, That is the best damn idea I have heard on this list in a while. I > don't know how difficult it is to produce though. I, for one, would > purchase every piece of footage produced on DVD. Cheers to Andrew. > Later > Ian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 5 22:21:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28125 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:21:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f209.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.209]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29291 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 05:59:55 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 05:59:19 -0800 Received: from 211.216.216.95 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 13:59:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.216.216.95] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Laver help Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 13:59:18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2000 13:59:19.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[89D0B8B0:01C0719F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Erik Engeberg wrote: > > Does anyone out there have troubles with their pixie sets with > > lavers on... What can be done to help this problem? Brad Kaplan replied: >Cut out the toe box. Just take a scissor and cut out the first two >eyelets. And how do I do that you ask? Way back when dinosaurs ruled the earth and I was just learning HTML I made a illustrated guide on how to do just that. Take a look at: http://members.nbci.com/nemesisds/freestyle/shoes.html Hopefully soon, after I take care of some other things and pick up a new camera, I'm planning on registering my own domain and rehauling my freestyle pages. Till then I hope this helps and suggestions are welcome. btw, the other sollution is just to make better shoes than the lavers. I've kicked in home made shoes for the last year, but then again I suck at footbag. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 5 22:22:01 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28141 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:22:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29765 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 06:26:06 -0800 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:26:49 -0500 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA88477E31@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] A call to video makers Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:26:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Dubman [mailto:mufreestyle@hotmail.com] > I, for one, would > purchase every piece of footage produced on DVD. Cheers to Andrew. > Later > Ian > And a BIG BIG BIG 'cheers' to all the video makers out there! :-) Bob R. Philly Footworks From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 5 22:22:31 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28154 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:22:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07055; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 13:39:04 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G6C02O01MSXYG@clem.mscd.edu>; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:38:57 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:38:57 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] a Worlds 2001 question In-reply-to: To: Steve Goldberg Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Somehow I'm not surprised by YOUR answer Steve. However, if you would care to expand a little more as to why it's such a bad idea I'd love to read it. That way I wouldn't feel like you were just making fun of me for the getting married part. :( Brad On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Steve Goldberg wrote: > Hah hah hah hah hah. Good one, Brad. :-) > > Steve > > At 2:22 PM -0700 12/26/00, Brad Kaplan wrote: > > I have never hosted a tournament and I would love to attempt Worlds > >but this summer would be bad because I'm getting married, but here's a > >question I just have to ask of tournament directors. > > Is it that much harder to host worlds than any of the other > >tournaments. I know it's a bigger tournament which means more people, > >space, hotels, time and staff. Is it too big of a leap to piggy back > >Worlds onto another tournament? With all the other tournaments going on > >this summer isn't there one that might pick up worlds instead or in > >conjunction with their own tournament. Something like "The Vancouver Open > >hosts Worlds 2001" or Philly Open or Westerns or Southerns or So Cal or > >something. > > Again I know nothing about running a tourney, but is it a possibilty > >since no one else has picked up the torch? > > > > Here's hoping, > > Brad > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 5 22:22:59 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28177 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:22:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f109.hotmail.com [216.32.181.109]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12628 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:23:37 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:23:00 -0800 Received: from 142.59.214.246 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 04:23:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.59.214.246] From: "Greg Buzon" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] A call to video makers Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 04:23:00 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2001 04:23:00.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[B103C810:01C07473] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org DVD would be sweet but damn expensive to produce. I dont think burners are readily availible (some can be purchased for multiple thousands of dollars). And if you want to sell/trade/play DVD's in multiple countries that wouldnt work to well because there are different regions for each DVD (kinda like playstation games. You can only play DVD's from north america in players from north america. Its an anti piracy thing). But man it would be sweet. Greg B. ps:Anyone on the list from/in Edmonton Alberta. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 5 22:24:20 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28204 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:24:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14289 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:25:52 -0800 Received: from timothym (ip102.chicago32.il.pub-ip.psi.net [38.33.75.102]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25114 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:25:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000c01c0747c$39796e40$664b2126@timothym> From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle Posters Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 23:23:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok, I was watching "Bust Out Now" today, and I saw this poster on the wall that said, " The Empire Shreds Phat", and I thought it was dope. Is there anyway of anyone outside of BAP to get such a poster? Thanks, Bob From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 5 22:24:52 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28215 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:24:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 21709 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2001 20:01:24 -0000 Received: from blndi5-212-144-128-044.arcor-ip.net (HELO quarktasche) (212.144.128.44) by mail.gmx.net (mail08) with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 20:01:24 -0000 Message-ID: <007901c074f6$874692e0$8e8090d4@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: Subject: [freestyle] poetry Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:59:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The bag in the air I'm using my flair Dexin' my leg Duckin' the bag Shredding around on the heliport No better sport I've ever found! Happy New Year y'all! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 5 22:25:18 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28230 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:25:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22463 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:09:33 -0800 Received: from earthink.net (1Cust249.tnt85.chi5.da.uu.net [63.36.160.249]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20267; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:09:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A52C1F3.766A4360@earthink.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 00:08:51 -0600 From: Tim Werner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freestyle@footbag.org CC: Cloudriz@yahoo.com Subject: [freestyle] Chicago Millennium footbag jam (it's vigorous, but it's controlled) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sappenin' stylas, the time has come for me to speak of the Chicago Millennium jam. Phatness was abound the entire time, and Dan Klokow and James Risden got alot of footage which should be sweet. Some highlights that stick out in my mind are.... Eric Reile sealing flog and pixie barrage, James Risden busting "this"(I'll let him explain it) and dolemite, Zeke Ibardaloza with toe gyro DLO, Jon Nagela with fairy torque, Scott Davidson hitting reverse swirling symp whirl and Matt Kain hitting shooting butterfly > paradox blender. of course, there were ALOT of SICK runs being busted by Sean Wingert, Matt Kain (sp?), and James Risden (making the phatest of the phat look like child's play.) well, that should do it for now, later. -TW, CIC. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 5 22:26:06 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28253 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:26:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web3002.mail.yahoo.com (web3002.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.165]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA00742 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 05:46:05 -0800 Received: (qmail 255 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2001 00:19:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010104001917.254.qmail@web3002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.78.157.15] by web3002.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:19:17 PST Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:19:17 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?pip=20fulstow?= Subject: [freestyle] New Zealand 2001 annual Championships To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi there, fellow kickers... This is the first time I have ever posted into this list, yet I read it nearly every day. Just a wee note to say that New Zealand is hosting it's 2nd annual championships this coming weekend. I'm looking forward to kicking with the best(both in the world and in New Zealand). I can only hope more females are going to be entering this years...last years was a bit of a joke...being only 4 of us. First shred tomorrow..... Woooo-hooooo!!!!!! Go the JUICE!!! >From Pip, NZ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 5 22:26:31 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28268 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:26:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02972 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:00:12 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G6L06901R22PB@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:49:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:49:14 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] some records? In-reply-to: <3A52B5BD.EF844D5@earthink.net> To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > P.S. The longest guiltless string was probably the osis record set by GF > Smoothie (306) Okay, I know there are huge single trick records and after I sent the original post I was sure I would get that response so let me clarify. I was wondering about a guiltless string that may have happened in a regular old shred circle one day where it was someones turn and they just happened to bust out some super sick combination of guiltless tricks varifying from different 3's 4's and maybe even a 5 or two. So who has it? Who amongst ya'll has hit 60 or 70 guiltless tricks in a single run? NOT consisting of only 3's. I know Daryl has gone well into the 80's with only 3's, and that rocks, but I'm talking about ALL OUT NO HOLDS BARRED SHRED. Take your time answering. Go out and kick and make a record, then come back and share. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 5 22:29:06 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28324 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:29:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17445 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:03:30 -0800 Received: from wam.umd.edu (207-172-53-169.s169.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.53.169]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03289 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:03:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A550F49.83E98545@wam.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 19:04:01 -0500 From: Chris Whong Reply-To: cwhong@wam.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Kickin' in Cancun, Spring Break 2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I just wanted to put the word out that I (a state-class footbagger) will be going to Cancun, Mexico for Spring Break, the week of March 18-24, 2000. Apparently there are 5 clubs listed down there, but I couldn't figure out if any of them are located anywhere near Cancun. If anyone else happens to be going, contact me, and we can make plans to meet up. I made a cool animated gif of a rotating Laver, you can check it out at Footbag Maryland's web site. Also, you have my permission to gank it, and put it on your own web site, as long as you make it a link to Footbag Maryland. -Chris Whong (like the new move) -- "It smelled like Loudog inside the van..." |------------------------------ Christopher M. Whong e-mail: cwhong@wam.umd.edu Instant Messenger: Louiedog98 |------------------------------ Footbag Maryland http://www.wam.umd.edu/~cwhong/footbag From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 5 22:30:37 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28398 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:30:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03457 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 07:17:40 -0800 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:31:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA88477E6C@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Chilly Philly wrap up Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:31:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all- Despite a ton of snow (and therefore a much smaller turnout) the Chilly Philly was a blast. We got together with Kenny early in the day and watched some vintage shred video. It's definitely cool to see where this crazy sport began. We also watched Eli's new shred video (the name of which escapes me right now)... The video is awesome -- great production, great footage.. everything. Anyhow, so the biggest names that were able to make it to the jam were Eric Wulff and Carol, Sunil, and Kenny. Eric was going nuts with all sort of stepping ducking moves and really hard flyers mixed in effortlessly. Sunil was Sunil. Triage?! I'd never seen that one live before. Wow. Carol is as smooth as ever. And Kenny... HE HIT... Well... read his below email to understand what he hit. I saw it too. Super clean. He'll hit it again, and I won't miss getting it on video!!! Up and comer Scott "Animal" Bevier proved that he can stand in with the likes of those mentioned above. Very smooth style all while cramming in really difficult combos. He'll be popping up on shred vids in the near future. Tom Moore continues to be an asset to Philadelphia footbag. I saw him hit paradox legbeater, atom smasher, ripwalks and blurs, and all sorts of spinning stuff. He's gonna be sick! Vince Bradley was also playing well -- glad to have you back in the freestyle scene Vince!! There were also some newer players in attendance. I think everyone picked up a few new tricks and got their fill of seeing some BAPers go nuts for at least a little while. To everyone that came... THANKS! Hope all the other jams were just as sweet (and less snow covered!) Take care, talk soon, and Happy New Year! Bob Riefer Philly Footworks -----Original Message----- From: KenShults@aol.com [mailto:KenShults@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 12:14 PM To: RoRiefer@ikon.com Subject: Re: X-Mas Jam The Sauce The Big Apple was created and hit after about 6 tries by me in 1992 at the American Athletic Games in Central Park, NYC, hence the name. I believe that others in the circle at the time who might recall the event were Rick Reese, Scott Davidson and Dennis Ross. The Big Apple Sauce was conceived over breakfast at the 1994 Michigan Christmas Jam. Greg Nelson asked about some type of trick that gave me the idea for the Sauce. At the session that day I actually came fairly close to hitting it a few times. I continued to try to hit this trick every now and then over the next six years. I would usually only try it at tournaments or organized shred sessions because I wanted to be sure to get on film if I ever hit it. While I came close on a lot of attempts and even made contact a few times, I never truly hit one. This last summer at Worlds in Vancouver BC was the most recent public attempts at the Sauce. I wanted Ryan to give it a try to see if he could hit it. I figured that if it was hittable, he could do it. He needed a demo to work from so I joined the circle for and tried about 15 minutes worth of attempts to no avail. Ryan made a couple of unsuccessful attempts at it. Since Worlds I discovered that backside symposium blur was a pretty easy trick for me. I then found that I could hit spinning backside symposium blur. While not easy it appears to be "dialable" given how easy it has been when I actually hit it. I had been trying this trick at the Philly Chilly fairly frequently. After a near miss, I mentioned to Eric Wulff that by merely replacing the toe catch with an osis I would have the Sauce. On the next pass I tried what was planned to be another spinning backside symposium blur attempt. The set was too deep to get a toe on it so I instinctively bailed to an osis which came up perfectly about chest high in front of me. In hindsight I wish I had the wherewithal to go straight into something but just as the bag was coming up the realization hit me. I had just hit the Sauce. All I managed out of it was three or four inside kicks and a hand catch followed by a few minutes of stunned confirm! ation with witnesses that it had actually happened. Eric and Sunil both confirmed it was real. Unfortunately, none of the cameras onsite were running at the time. The Sauce is a spinning backside symposium blurry torque. I don't do Jobs notation but here's how it breaks down. Left clipper set spin away from set planting left foot (hence this is not a gyro trick) after spin jump off left foot while doing inside out dex with right leg followed by symposium inside out with left leg. bring right foot back under for osis to finish. Kenny From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jan 10 19:29:57 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11984 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:29:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA30798 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:06:08 -0800 Received: (qmail 6736 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2001 07:05:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20010106070558.6735.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.163.254.211] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:05:58 PST Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:05:58 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Chicago Millennium footbag jam (it's vigorous, but it's controlled) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Tim Werner wrote: > James Risden busting "this"(I'll let him explain it) > and dolemite Ok ok. "This" is really hard to explain. It's a symposium tomohawk hit with your hands on your head, hooping the bag up through one arm and back down through the other. It's a funky move. Looks odd. Check it out. http://members.xoom.com/shreddined/this.mpg I would like to add that the Midwest New Years jam was DOPE! Scott Davidson, Sean Wingert, and Matt Kain are sickingly ill! Scott was sealing reverse swirly symposium whirl all over the place. OHHHH SOO DOOOPE! I have soooo much footage that I'm converting to mpg. I'll post again when it's ready. Bye, James Risden P.S. Propz go to god for hitting the first ever 8ADD move, "BIG APPLE SAUCE". From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jan 10 19:29:22 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11979 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:29:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30717 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 23:04:40 -0800 Received: from [24.150.4.64] (d150-4-64.home.cgocable.net [24.150.4.64]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.10.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f0675j527780 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:05:46 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 02:02:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] A call to video makers From: Neil Bearse To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004401c07172$76c66da0$50244518@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id XAA28577 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On 12/29/00 3:36 AM, "Allan Haggett" wrote: > Andrew, Matt and anyone who cares :) > > Somone correct me if I'm waaay wrong, but DVD authoring is still *far* too > expensive to be available for the limited production atmosphere of Footbag > videos. .... Just read about this stuff today... DVD-R (writing DVD's that will play on a DVD player... Different from DVD-RAM, which are mainly for saving data) will be available in PC's this coming year. Compaq will be releasing a computer with this technology and there are also rumours that Apple Computer will also be including them with their new PowerMacs (props to Eli for representing with an iMAC :) ) . This technology is coming fast.. I cant wait for the day when I can watch shred footage with digital sound and picture, on a flatscreen plasma TV... While my robotic dog fetches me drinks and cleans the house... I donšt even wanna think about the sick moves that will be being busted on the screen... (quintuple around the worlds :) ) Anywayz... Just thought I'd share the info since the subject was being discussed - Neil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jan 10 19:30:23 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11991 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:30:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f107.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.107]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00747 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:47:24 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:46:48 -0800 Received: from 211.216.216.95 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:46:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.216.216.95] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Chilly Philly wrap up Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:46:48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2001 08:46:48.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[34CA4790:01C077BD] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >The Sauce is a spinning backside symposium blurry torque. The words that exited my mouth as I read that probably aren't fit for print. I saw Kenny try "the sauce" about 97' back in the Skool House. I think I'd just hit my first blizzard that night and didn't have bloody clue what he'd just done. All I can say is huge huge huge props. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jan 10 19:30:57 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12000 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:30:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from falcon.continet.com (ns1.continet.com [206.58.168.254]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14596 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:30:04 -0800 Received: from LOCALNAME ([206.58.32.21]) by falcon.continet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-60955U4500L350S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:34:42 -0800 X-Sender: freefloe@continet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Dennis Ross Subject: [freestyle] A worlds 2001 question Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:34:42 -0800 Message-ID: <20010106183442140.AAA465@falcon.continet.com@LOCALNAME> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Regarding Brad's question "Is it that much harder to host worlds than any of the other tournaments?"...ABSOLUTELY YES!! I've competed in 9 World Championships and have hosted tournaments from small to large for 10 years, but have never wanted to take on Worlds. Anyone who's been to both Worlds and a weekend tournament can attest to the difference. It takes an entire week to get in all the events at Worlds and the schedule is packed...ask anyone who has done overall and note that no one did all the events at 2000 Worlds. There are 9 different events one can enter and some of those have more than one category (ie intermediate, women's, open). Without significantly decreasing the number of competitors and/or events it would be impossible. There have been discussions in the past about creating separate Worlds for freestyle, net, and golf/consecutives (or combining golf and consecs with one of the others) this, in my opinion is worth exploring. I would consider going to both (and golf too). Anyone who has ever tried to compete in freestyle and net events at Worlds knows that it is not possible to freestyle to your ability with "net legs." Net works after freestyle but freestyle doesn't work after playing net for days. I think it would be cool to have Net Championships with freestyle demos from the Freestyle World Championships and possibly golf demos or a 9-hole shorter course spectators could try. And then at Freestyle Championships have net demos by that year's net Champs. It would still be difficult (maybe impossible) to get all the net events done in 3 days with the number of events right now. SEmi-finals and Finals are usually done Sat and Sun with all the pool/bracket play occuring beforehand. Just a thought. What do others think? Also, if anyone at WFA is out there...what would it take for your organization/club to host Worlds again? Peace and Happy New Year, Becca English-Ross At 02:38 PM 12/29/00 -0700 Brad Kaplan wrote: > Somehow I'm not surprised by YOUR answer Steve. However, if you >would care to expand a little more as to why it's such a bad idea I'd love >to read it. That way I wouldn't feel like you were just making fun of me >for the getting married part. :( >On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Steve Goldberg wrote: >> Hah hah hah hah hah. Good one, Brad. :-) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jan 10 19:31:39 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12009 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:31:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24309 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:53:57 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G6R08N01RXJ1I@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:53:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 18:53:43 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Posters In-reply-to: <000c01c0747c$39796e40$664b2126@timothym> To: Robert Martin Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Robert Martin wrote: > Ok, I was watching "Bust Out Now" today, and I saw this poster on the wall > that said, " The Empire Shreds Phat", and I thought it was dope. Is there > anyway of anyone outside of BAP to get such a poster? If memory serves, that slogan was made up by Eli Piltz and he had made some t-shirts of it, but I didn't know about the posters. Anyway he'd know how to get the posters I'm sure... if they still exist. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jan 10 19:32:26 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12030 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:32:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12826 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:10:19 -0800 Received: from storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.59]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD631B58; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-e/mt.gso.26Feb98) id JAA13393; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 09:10:03 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAp+sY0JjtQXomCstnDdEMA/QePpECFQCfvBgGdGeNEMv7iYs04u2IY0uHVw== From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:10:02 -0500 (EST) To: kaplanb@mscd.edu (Brad Kaplan) Cc: mcraig@provide.net (matt craig), freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox Reverse Whirl vs. Butterfly Message-ID: <21307-3A58A2EA-622@storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Brad Kaplan 's message of Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:47:41 -0700 (MST) Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Back on Dec. 26th Brad wrote, >Barfly's 4 and it's ALOT harder than >reverse whirl but not worth 5. There is >absolutely NO paradox feel to reverse >whirl, no EXTRA pivot or dex or anything >of the sort that would make it paradox. Says who? Not that I am fussing or caring or anything, that just sounds like personal opinion to me. I think Barfly is a lot EASIER than pdx rev whirl. I've been hitting barfly for 5 or 6 years, and just started hitting pdx rev whirl. When I see or DO it, I think "wow, that was fresh and cool". Just personal opinion. Oh yeah, where's Worlds? Smoothie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jan 10 19:32:50 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12040 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:32:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.85]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21131 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:23:29 -0800 Received: from johnlopes ([24.67.226.156]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010107222317.WKQY21777.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@johnlopes> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:23:17 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c078f9$4d8dc3a0$9ce24318@kldt1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Jeff Lopes" To: Subject: [freestyle] Guiltless Training Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:29:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I was just curious about any drills people have for guiltless training. I know practising lots of paradox mirage's, osis', and butterfly's are huge, but what kind of linkage drills should I do? Ive been doing butterfly>osis>paradox mirage>repeat both sides a lot, and I find that is helping, but I was just wondering if anyone else has any idea's. Thanks. Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jan 10 19:33:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12054 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:33:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22125 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:35:36 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G6U00O01ZQV06@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:35:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:35:18 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox Reverse Whirl vs. Butterfly In-reply-to: <21307-3A58A2EA-622@storefull-618.iap.bryant.webtv.net> To: Greg Nelson Cc: matt craig , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Greg Nelson wrote: > I've been hitting barfly for 5 or 6 years, and just started > hitting pdx rev whirl. When I see or DO it, I think "wow, that was fresh > and cool". Just personal opinion. "Fresh and cool", yes, paradox and worth 4 adds (in comps), NO. I've seen people whose barfly style is kind of like a double op reverse whirl, where the first dex is like a butterfly and the second is like a reverse whirl, and it's no more paradox that way than it is if there's only one dex. When I was learning Barfly I was hitting it this way. Your are right in that it is my "opinion" that op reverse whirl is MUCH easier than Barfly and here's how I came to that conclusion on a personal level. I started hitting barfly a little less than a year ago, as a regular trick anyway. It took me hours of skooling to get it that way. I started hitting op reverse whirl this last summer and, I shit you not, it took 10 minutes before I was already hitting it symposium. Now maybe it came easier because I was already hitting barfly at that point. So if it came easier than Barfly and it had only one dex and it was the SAME move, less one dex, then there is something really wrong here. Either Barfly is also missing the paradox which people are thinking belongs in op reverse whirl OR (and I think this is more correct) there is NO PARADOX element to be had in op reverse whirl. Once again I submit, as Greg said, the move is still "fresh and cool" and this is all my opinion. I love this game, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jan 10 19:36:15 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12103 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:36:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from magician (vpop-51.nccn.net [209.79.223.51]) by nccn6.nccn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/*tdw* 2000-03-16a * No UCE! *-) with SMTP id LAA04852 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:43:42 -0800 Message-ID: <005001c079aa$aeef6660$33df4fd1@magician> From: "Lon Smith" To: Subject: [freestyle] Move's Names Claim to Fame Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:38:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yello , It's Lon Check it, Blurry barfly Burriest Blurry butterfly stall Ripwalk Blurry clipper Curbwalk Pixie paradon Dimmiest Pixie other butterfly stall Dimwalk Pixie other clipper stall Dimdown Stepping down doubble down Burrier Stepping Butterfly stall Sidewalk Stepping clipper stall Stepdown Pixie down doubble DoubbleParker Pixie same butterfly stall Parkwalk Pixie same clipper stall Parkdown Reverse mirage from clipper Bubba Paradox Reverse mirage Buddy Stepping Legover Mixer Stepping Reverse mirage Schmoe Double over flying clipper kick Flutterby Paradon flying clipper kick Flutterby Barfly flying clipper kick Barflyer and I think reverse whirl set should be called blundering Whirling Gyro Whirl Blistering Whirl Reverse Whirling Gyro Whirl Blundering Whirl I don't know what the other move names there are for these moves but these are the best names for them. I'll be adding more names which will be much more open to suggestion, but I'm already using these names. I hope everyone who doesn't want these names familiarized speak up now or forever use these names!! Peace Out the Sloth From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jan 10 19:36:41 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12112 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:36:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from user ([24.69.36.80]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010108205935.ENPT21777.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@user> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:59:35 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c079b6$59254f40$50244518@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Allan Haggett" To: Subject: [freestyle] Ryan's Finals routine & Ripwalk record Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:02:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org First of all, Happy New Year to all!! I am happy to announce that I have completed capturing, editing and compressing Ryan Mulroney's World's 2000 Finals routine for everyone's viewing pleasure. Before you get too excited about seeing this epic, record breaking routine, know that my video camera is a peice of shit and the angle of the shot isn't exactly professional. I was DJ'ing the event and couldn't be on the camera myself, and with a dead(as in not accepting a charge) battery I was forced to shoot from a static location perched above the judges table. It was up so high on this ledge that I couldn't even look through the view finder to see if I had everything framed correctly. Luckily it was framed well enough to not miss anyting, but the angle leaves much to be desired. As well, through compressing to a decent, downloadable size(a miniscule 10megs for 2 and a half minutes of video at 320x240) the quality is quite acceptable for viewing at 320x240, but try to 'fullscreen' it and it becomes rather messy(viewable, but messy). SO, keeping all of this in mind, please don't spam me with negative comments about these issues. I am more than aware of them, but I can only work with what I have, and cannot spend any more time than I already have on this. If you really want to see it high-quality and from a good angle, suppport our video producers and buy a copy of the tapes out there that boast this fantastic routine. Our friend Derric Scalf has promised to make this clip available on www.dallasfootbag.org soon, but in the meantime it is available for download from my site: http://footbag.dnsalias.net/RMulroneyFinals2000.mpg is the direct link to it. This site is being hosted on my home system on a cable connect and as such is rather unreliable, but it should hold up for now. If you have any problems, please be patient and try again after a while.... . I'm running WinBlows98(for now) and I've never really tested what this thing is like with lots of traffic to it, so bear with me :) Derric will have it up on his super-fast, reliable site as soon as he has the time. If problems persist over a day or so, email me and I'll do what I can :) On another note, I am also proud to say that I broke Ryan Mulroney's Ripwalk record last night!! I hit 43 consecutive Ripwalk's on video no less.... check it out... http://footbag.dnsalias.net/43ripwalks.mpg So now the challenge goes out to Ryan(and anyone else for that matter) to break this! (if you haven't already ;) ) I think that's it from me for now, but I'll be back with more goodies soon!! Allan K. Haggett http://footbag.dnsalias.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jan 10 19:37:02 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12122 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:37:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web3006.mail.yahoo.com (web3006.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.169]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA09920 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 00:40:28 -0800 Received: (qmail 27270 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2001 08:40:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010109084016.27269.qmail@web3006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.78.157.15] by web3006.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 00:40:16 PST Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 00:40:16 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?pip=20fulstow?= Subject: [freestyle] New Zealands 2001 Champs To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org YYYEEEAAAHHHH It was PHAT!!! Seeing Ryan Mulroney in the flesh, kicking some insanity!!!! Nice work and of course he won the open mens freestyle. Cool to see he compete in the consecutives also...sorry can't remember the score. A massive "CONGRAT'S" to Ratna Dyer for first place in the open women's freestyle...she's only been kicking tricks in the last year, and wrapped it up, even with torn filaments in her quadraceps!!!! I think she desreves a medal for the most progression, out of any of the Girlies in New Zealand, in the shortest space of time. I can't wait to kick with the crew again, So, that's it from me... the New Zealand update brought to you by pipisurfpunk!!!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jan 10 19:47:37 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12349 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:47:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from magician (vpop-51.nccn.net [209.79.223.51]) by nccn6.nccn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/*tdw* 2000-03-16a * No UCE! *-) with SMTP id LAA04827 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:43:27 -0800 Message-ID: <004d01c079aa$ac1607a0$33df4fd1@magician> From: "Lon Smith" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] some records? Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:34:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hy Shreddors, It's Lon saying that the Regulator has records on all three, Fearless(not quadless)is actually 6 and8/9ths the Superfly came up( the moves were Blurrier blury whirl blury whirl paradox torque symposium paradox whirl mobius superfly the receive props. Tripless is over thirty Guiltless Both Wicked and Regulator as well as others have hit over 100. Adios Fristylos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jan 10 20:00:54 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12445 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:00:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09119 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:05:30 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G6N07101JOUB0@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 12:05:18 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 12:05:17 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] ground control to major footbag To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Either the list is REALLY slow or I'm not getting my mail. If it's the former then I hope it's because everyone's out shredding to hard to post. If it's the latter then I respect mister moderators time and effort and I'll be patient for a few more days I guess. Hope everyone's having a great year so far! Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jan 11 21:01:12 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22638 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:01:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([65.10.4.236]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010111074653.GJQB21827.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:46:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3A5D5E5B.F4C041BA@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:18:51 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ryan's Finals routine & Ripwalk record References: <000701c079b6$59254f40$50244518@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Allan Haggett wrote: > > I am happy to announce that I have completed capturing, editing and > compressing Ryan Mulroney's World's 2000 Finals routine for everyone's > viewing pleasure. Our friend Derric Scalf has promised to make this clip available on > www.dallasfootbag.org soon And it is soon. You can find the clip at http://dallasfootbag.org/multimedia/misc/Misc_Video/RMulroneyFinals2000.mpg This is a great routine. Don't let Allan scare you off with all of that stuff about a bad angle and bad quality. It is worth the download time. Thanks to Allan for putting in the time and effort to get it online. This clip will also be available from footbag.org really soon. So check the galleries there. Every time I dig through those galleries, I find something bad ass that I had forgotten about. Good stuff. And Allan continues by saying: > > On another note, I am also proud to say that I broke Ryan Mulroney's Ripwalk > record last night!! I hit 43 consecutive Ripwalk's on video no less.... > check it out... http://footbag.dnsalias.net/43ripwalks.mpg Hey buddy... that is 44 by my count :) This and several other video verified records will be up on dallasfootbag.org soon. So, if you have some records on video, send them my way. For now, the unofficial, non-video records are listed on http://www.dallasfootbag.org Just click on the records link. Later. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jan 11 21:04:45 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22701 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:04:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f284.hotmail.com [216.32.180.138]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29649 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:52:46 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:34:30 -0800 Received: from 129.93.213.17 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:34:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.213.17] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Colorado Shred Symposium Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:34:29 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2001 05:34:30.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B8B9950:01C07B90] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I was wondering if there was anyone coming from the East or Midwest going to the Colorado Symposium next month via Interstate 80 (Lincoln) who has an extra seat and would like someone else to split the gas money with. I don't eat much, and I don't know the difference between right and wrong. Please email me personally. Kamikenzie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jan 11 21:05:12 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22716 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:05:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29885 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 03:00:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA49226; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:26:04 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:26:04 -0800 (PST) From: Sunil Subhash Jani To: James Risden cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Chilly Philly Sauce = 9 ADDS In-Reply-To: <20010106070558.6735.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, James Risden wrote: > P.S. Propz go to god for hitting the first ever 8ADD > move, "BIG APPLE SAUCE". Actually if you go by Wulffies x-dex system... which some of us do... then Kenny's Big Apple Sauce is 9 well deserved adds. Rationale: toe blur = 4 adds ( dex, dex, xdex, delay) symposium toe blue = 5 adds (+body) frontside paradox backside symposium toe blur = 6 adds (+paradox) spinning paradox symposium toe blur = 7 adds (+body) now catch that on a toe instead of an osis = 9 ADDS (+body+xbody) REPULSIVE! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jan 11 21:05:33 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22727 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:05:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web9007.mail.yahoo.com (web9007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.169]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA32055 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 04:17:11 -0800 Message-ID: <20010111103024.73468.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.233.72.2] by web9007.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:30:24 PST Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:30:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Wilson Subject: [freestyle] Colorado Shred Symp II? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Got permission from my better half to take a road trip to Colorado for the tournament in Feb. and was wondering who all is planning to be there? It's a 16 hour drive from Ft. Worth, Tx. so I'm hoping that it's going to be crazy. Later, Mike Hey Brad, it's not your mail. It's just slow around here. ===== Ft. Worth Hackaholics Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jan 11 21:08:06 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22788 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:08:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [216.86.64.33]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA01801 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:43:42 -0800 Received: from provide.net (usr03-045.provide.net [216.86.66.45]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14587; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:42:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A5C618C.50401@provide.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:19:50 -0500 From: matt craig User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010105 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Kaplan CC: Greg Nelson , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox Reverse Whirl vs. Butterfly References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok, so most people are bored with this by now... Brad Kaplan wrote: > On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Greg Nelson wrote: > >> I've been hitting barfly for 5 or 6 years, and just started >> hitting pdx rev whirl. When I see or DO it, I think "wow, that was fresh >> and cool". Just personal opinion. > > "Fresh and cool", yes, paradox and worth 4 adds (in comps), NO. I've "Paradox" reverse whirl is fresh and cool (and oh, how I hope to hit it some day, before it becomes "stale and rank" like butterfly), and everyone expressing an opinion here has legitimate claims to being right. It's becoming clear where the differences lie. Some say, "It ain't paradox, 'cause it don't have that snaking out and around motion or 'feel' of other paradox moves." And yet others say, "It ain't just reverse whirl, 'cause it ain't as easy as reverse whirl." > Once again I submit, as Greg said, the move is still "fresh and > cool" and this is all my opinion. > > I love this game, > Brad But props to anyone who hits opposite reverse whirl and enjoys it, shred on. matt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jan 11 21:08:58 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22799 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:08:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03057 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:16:34 -0800 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:16:45 -0500 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA88477ED4@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] A worlds 2001 question Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:15:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Ross [mailto:freefloe@continet.com] > There have been discussions in the past about creating > separate Worlds for freestyle, net, and golf/consecutives (or > combining golf and consecs with one of the others) this, in > my opinion is worth exploring. Hey all- In response to this idea... I may not really know my stuff on this, but I think that two worlds would only separate freestylers and netters more. I like the idea of trying to promote unity between the two groups of players -- however in vain that goal may be. :-) Just my thought on the issue. Bob Riefer Philly Footworks From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jan 11 21:17:27 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22939 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:17:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03451 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:28:01 -0800 Received: from default - 63.11.187.71 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:27:22 -0800 Message-ID: <004501c07bdb$b81aeb00$a0ba0b3f@default> From: "Tina Lewis" To: , "Dennis Ross" References: <20010106183442140.AAA465@falcon.continet.com@LOCALNAME> Subject: Re: [freestyle] A worlds 2001 question Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:34:43 -0600 Organization: Microsoft Corporation X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Becca and Dennis and all.... - Having scaled back our "small" tournament down here I have to agree with Becca. I sent Brad my outline list of all the tasks necessary for a small tournament. While I think splitting Worlds might be a viable solution, I hate to do anything that furthers the split between the freestylers and the net players. Also, given the difficulty people have of getting to one World's competition I think most of us would have to choose between one or the other. It would make me very sad.... One of the highlights of Worlds for me is having that day off and going down to watch some awesome freestyle while I rest my net legs... That is no consolation for those that compete in both but its also part of what makes overall so challenging. Maybe its just better to have freestyle rounds done earlier so that net legs are not as big a factor. I don't know... Its all very disturbing to me. If Worlds isn't scheduled fast many people will lose the opportunity to go this year. Sigh.... Tina. [ moderator's note: I may have goofed when I approved the original message in this thread... a discussion about splitting worlds really belongs on the general footbag discussion list, not on the advanced freestyle list. So if y'all would be so kind as to redirect your replies to this thread to footbag@footbag.org (and perhaps include a bit of an explanation as to what exactly you're talking about, for the benefit of those strange people who are on the footbag list but not the freestyle list), it would be much appreciated. Thanks. -bfk ] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jan 11 21:18:22 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22992 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:18:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f62.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.62]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15187 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:41:12 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:40:36 -0800 Received: from 132.241.246.206 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:40:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [132.241.246.206] From: "Tara Ohr" To: pipisurfpunk@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Zealands 2001 Champs Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:40:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2001 20:40:36.0354 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0457E20:01C07C0E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I love to hear about more women playing the sport. I just recently found two new women in my town who are ready to start shredding (or at least a little freestyle). Keep on kickin, Tara pip fulstow wrote: >YYYEEEAAAHHHH >It was PHAT!!! Seeing Ryan Mulroney in the flesh, >kicking some insanity!!!! Nice work and of course he >won the open mens freestyle. Cool to see he compete in >the consecutives also...sorry can't remember the >score. > >A massive "CONGRAT'S" to Ratna Dyer for first place in >the open women's freestyle...she's only been kicking >tricks in the last year, and wrapped it up, even with >torn filaments in her quadraceps!!!! I think she >desreves a medal for the most progression, out of any >of the Girlies in New Zealand, in the shortest space >of time. > >I can't wait to kick with the crew again, > >So, that's it from me... the New Zealand update >brought to you by pipisurfpunk!!!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jan 11 21:19:50 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23019 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:19:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19400 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:45:47 -0800 Received: from [198.202.67.129] (198.202.67.129) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 11 Jan 2001 14:49:07 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:46:02 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: [freestyle] shoe reviews Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org FWIW, When the millenium lavers came out, i was all about giving them a shot, but they didn't fit my feet right at all. After a few months of trying I decided to revert to the old laver only to discover that there was no way in hell i would put my knees through that. I have heard others describe similar experiences too. After a year of searching, I have finally found TWO shoes that are very good, and i am playing footbag once again. The first is the Nike air presto. This shoe is composed of a sock stuck to a running shoe sole. The clipper catch is awesome. There is no toe box, but there is also no shoe to get in the way. This shoe offers the best of playing barefoot, and having a good clipper stall. The problems with this shoe are there is no toe box, and you have to play like you are barefoot, and the sole is made of a rubber that feels very similar to a pencil eraser, plus it's nike. : ( $85 http://www.finishline.com/productDisplay.asp?SID=YL0815345QD0678367&catid=1&dept id=7&depttext=Running&StyleID=7469&ColorID=042 The second is the Brooks Hyperion. This is a slightly heavier shoe, ie about 1/3 the weight of an old laver, with excellent shock absorbtion. Features a generous amount of extra soft mesh, and hydroflow in foref oot and heel. The clipper catch is sooooo similar to the classic laver, and the toe box opens up nicely. This shoes required near zero adjustment time. The down side to this shoe is the tread. The bottoms are composed of extra durable HRP rubber, but in a unique pattern that may cause problems for people who play on thick carpet or spin with a firmly planted foot. $55 http://www.brookssports.com/gear/footWear/s00Hyp.html Also used were the new balance 100. These were in fact shoes, but they did not offer the benefits of the above shoes. The cushioning was good, but more so in the heel than the forefoot. The bottoms were great, the clippers were passable but not good, and the toes were damn difficult. I think these have been discontinued. They were best for people soft on their feet anyway, who prefer a low bounce shoe. comfortable AND functional shoes, Cameron -----------| Every man is dishonest who lives upon the labor of others, no matter if he occupies a throne. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jan 11 21:24:56 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23112 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:24:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts7.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.40]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23188 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:25:34 -0800 Received: from dave ([64.230.79.73]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010112002456.KYZW6682.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@dave> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:24:56 -0500 Message-ID: <004601c07c2d$a720efa0$0b01010a@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: References: <20010106070558.6735.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Chicago Millennium footbag jam (it's vigorous, but it's controlled) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:21:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mr. Risden wrote: > Ok ok. "This" is really hard to explain. It's a > symposium tomohawk hit with your hands on your head, > hooping the bag up through one arm and back down > through the other. It's a funky move. Looks odd. That's a really cool move James. Great to see that people finding new creative things to do with the bag. Now that I have a high speed connection at home, I check out all these videos, and I love it. The only thing that has been bothering me is that none of the viewers I have used will do a proper frame-by-frame. Usually I am forced to do an awkward mouse control thing which stinks. Now with all these people on here putting these videos into computer format, maybe you can tell me if there is a viewer that can do this. A friend told me that it might be a limitation of the codec. Does anyone know? Thanks, Dave [ private replies for the slo-mo question, please. this is offtopic and the list traffic is picking up. -moderator a.k.a. bfk ] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jan 11 21:27:00 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23145 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:27:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f218.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.218]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA01512 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:32:30 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 05:31:54 -0800 Received: from 128.206.120.240 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:31:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.206.120.240] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] A call to video makers Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:31:54 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2001 13:31:54.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[DCD948F0:01C07BD2] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Neil Bearse wrote: > Allan Haggett wrote: > > Andrew, Matt and anyone who cares :) > > > > Somone correct me if I'm waaay wrong, but DVD authoring is still *far* too > > expensive to be available for the limited production atmosphere of Footbag > > videos. .... >Just read about this stuff today... DVD-R (writing DVD's that will >play on a DVD player... Different from DVD-RAM, which are mainly for >saving data) will be available in PC's this coming year. I actually, since making my previous post, just saw a writable DVD player. Not a drive in a computer, but a freestanding unit--similar to a VCR. It is on the market currently, made by Panasonic and available at Neiman Marcus. Neiman Marcus you say? Yup, and it runs a cool $2999.99. So everyone buy those videos from Eli so he can afford it. :) Later Ian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jan 11 21:28:01 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23167 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:28:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dantz.com by sjc3sosrv11.alter.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: [63.95.223.88]) id QQjxol12387 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:55:01 GMT Received: from [63.94.235.214] ([63.94.235.214] verified) by dantz.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3) with ESMTP id 1357995 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:54:06 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:54:40 -0800 Subject: Re: [freestyle] A call to video makers From: Tuan Vu To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id OAA19354 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Apple just announced at MacWorld 2001 that the new G4s come with DVD-R drive built-in and will sell for about $3500. They are obviously losing money on every unit they sell, but this will be the most affordable solution for those interested in DVD authoring. I believe that the DVD Studio Pro software is an additional $1000. Just think...multi-angle shred footage with DTS!! _Tuan Neil Bearse wrote: > On 12/29/00 3:36 AM, "Allan Haggett" wrote: > >> Andrew, Matt and anyone who cares :) >> >> Somone correct me if I'm waaay wrong, but DVD authoring is still *far* too >> expensive to be available for the limited production atmosphere of Footbag >> videos. .... > > Just read about this stuff today... DVD-R (writing DVD's that will play on a > DVD player... Different from DVD-RAM, which are mainly for saving data) will > be available in PC's this coming year. Compaq will be releasing a computer > with this technology and there are also rumours that Apple Computer will > also be including them with their new PowerMacs (props to Eli for > representing with an iMAC :) ) . This technology is coming fast.. I cant > wait for the day when I can watch shred footage with digital sound and > picture, on a flatscreen plasma TV... While my robotic dog fetches me drinks > and cleans the house... I donšt even wanna think about the sick moves that > will be being busted on the screen... (quintuple around the worlds :) ) > Anywayz... Just thought I'd share the info since the subject was being > discussed > - Neil From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 12 13:32:27 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30862 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:32:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web9010.mail.yahoo.com (web9010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.172]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA12915 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 03:43:13 -0800 Message-ID: <20010112114307.66914.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [38.233.72.2] by web9010.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 03:43:07 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 03:43:07 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Wilson Subject: [freestyle] What is the sauce? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Pls forgive my ignorance, but what is the job's for Big Apple Sauce? Later, Mike ===== Ft. Worth Hackaholics Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 12 13:32:40 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30867 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:32:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15801 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 05:28:02 -0800 Received: from integer.psu.edu (tnt1-161-226.cac.psu.edu [130.203.161.226]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA68078 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:27:54 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010112082202.00aac220@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: awf108@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:27:32 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alexander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Achilles Tendon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Howdy stylers, Has anyone every experienced severe pain in the Achilles Tendon from shredding too hard? I pushed 3 hour sessions for 4 days in a row last week, and my Ach. T. hasn't been the same since. Most mornings when I wake up it seems okay, but throughout the day I develop a feeling that it's grating on something in my ankle (it sort of creaks when I point and flex toes). Also, I get this shooting pain when I put my foot in the clipper position and flex it like I'm about to delay the bag. Any tips on this aside from not shredding for a few days or seeing a doctor (both of which are fairly horrible thoughts in my opinion)? Incidentally, this has me really pissed off because I hit my first 5-add (Mobius) a couple days ago, and now I have to lay low for a few days. One last thing. . .spinning dyno seems to be the logical rewind of mobius. . .has anybody hit these two in combination yet? Shred on, Alex (Integer of P.S.T.) [Currently on the disabled list] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 12 13:32:57 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30876 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:32:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1303.mail.yahoo.com (web1303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.153]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA17786 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:25:54 -0800 Received: (qmail 27912 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2001 14:38:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20010112143839.27911.qmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.0.224.35] by web1303.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:38:39 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:38:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jane Jones Reply-To: janejones2000@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Zealands 2001 Champs To: pipisurfpunk@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there, It's cool to hear you have some women freestylers down there. 4 is actually an awesome turn-out. Last year's world's, we were lucky to have 9 or 10 women competitors. That's the most I've ever seen in one place. The European Master's tournament had a pretty good female following too while I was in Paris last year. There were probably about 12 girls kicking at the site, but only 3 of us actually competed. Sometimes we're lucky to even have enough women freestylers to have our own bracket! It's really cool to hear you and other women are shredding down under...what tricks are you skooling? See ya, Jane > pip fulstow wrote: > > >YYYEEEAAAHHHH > >It was PHAT!!! Seeing Ryan Mulroney in the flesh, > >kicking some insanity!!!! Nice work and of course he > >won the open mens freestyle. Cool to see he compete in > >the consecutives also...sorry can't remember the > >score. > > > >A massive "CONGRAT'S" to Ratna Dyer for first place in > >the open women's freestyle...she's only been kicking > >tricks in the last year, and wrapped it up, even with > >torn filaments in her quadraceps!!!! I think she > >desreves a medal for the most progression, out of any > >of the Girlies in New Zealand, in the shortest space > >of time. > > > >I can't wait to kick with the crew again, > > > >So, that's it from me... the New Zealand update > >brought to you by pipisurfpunk!!!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 12 17:44:14 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00849 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:44:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03626 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:41:47 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G7204401N1A3J@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:41:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:41:34 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Guiltless Training In-reply-to: <000701c078f9$4d8dc3a0$9ce24318@kldt1.bc.wave.home.com> To: Jeff Lopes Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org One if the big problems I had when doing the guiltless thing was not knowing enough 3's. By knowing I mean "able to hit at any given moment". Butterfly, Osis, and Pdx Mirage are all good moves to school because they are probably the easiest to bail to when in need. However, there are also other 3's and "easier" 4's that can help to make the meat of your strings. Smear, Fear, Magellan, Pixie Legover, Double Legover (toe and clip), Swirl (both ways), Whirl (both ways), Drifters, Pixie Pick-up (same and op sides), Schmoe, Dbl ATW, Double Pick-up, Double Switch-over. As for "easier" 4's, there aren't really a lot of them but I'd say Ripwalk, Extra crispy Torque, Pixie-butterfly, and Pixie Osis are in there. For me at least those 4's are easier than say Blur, Flux, SMOG... With all of theose moves to skool there are plenty of drills to me made and if both sides are drilled hard you'll be an INSANE shredder. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 12 17:45:43 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00896 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:45:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G7204401NNSD3@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:55:04 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:55:04 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move's Names Claim to Fame In-reply-to: <005001c079aa$aeef6660$33df4fd1@magician> To: Lon Smith Cc: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but I can't say I like a lot of these names. There are some that have been around for a long time and have been used a lot so everyone knows them. Some of the newer ones though I'm not too keen on. There are some in here that I do like though. > Blurry clipper Curbwalk LIKE > Pixie paradon Dimmiest DON'T LIKE > Pixie other butterfly stall Dimwalk > Pixie other clipper stall Dimdown DON'T LIKE > Pixie same butterfly stall Parkwalk > Pixie same clipper stall Parkdown DON'T LIKE > Paradox Reverse mirage Buddy DON'T LIKE > Stepping Legover Mixer > Stepping Reverse mirage Schmoe I thought Schmoe was already Stepping same Legover? I really like the name mixer, but I think it would be better used here in Stepping Reverse Mirage. > Double over flying clipper kick Flutterby > Paradon flying clipper kick Flutterby > Barfly flying clipper kick Barflyer LIKE'EM > and I think reverse whirl set should be called blundering ABSOLUTELY LIKE IT. > I don't know what the other move names there are for these moves but > these are the best names for them. I'm about to get kicked out of the computer lab because it's closing, so I can't really go into detail about why I do or don't like these names. Suffice it to say that I like the naming of moves in general and then again I don't. I'll explain it in a later post when I have more time. Later all, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 12 17:47:31 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00908 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:47:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f119.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.119]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03737 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:44:25 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:42:39 -0800 Received: from 206.65.190.132 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:42:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [206.65.190.132] From: "Rob Fuller" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] xdex?!? What is it? Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:42:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2001 22:42:39.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7B70EC0:01C07CE8] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Me and my friend were wondering about this XDEX that is used in Eric's system. Could somone please explain fully all the rules that apply to it so I can start using it in my add count up. It doesn't exact;y make sense to us yet (no offence). Eg. Does it have to be set from toe...or can it be set from clipper.Can it be done with a pdx. etc... Rob "Flyboy" Fuller From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 12 18:32:18 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01325 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:32:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10846 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:06:00 -0800 Received: from [144.92.184.168] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id UAA21348 (8.9.1/50); Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:05:52 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010112200552.00f56040@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:05:52 -0600 To: Michael Wilson , freestyle@footbag.org From: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Subject: Re: [freestyle] What is the sauce? In-Reply-To: <20010112114307.66914.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Here it is: CLIP > (back) SPIN > OP IN > (no plant while) OP IN > (back) SPIN > OP CLIP Later, Matt Kain - Madison Footbag At 03:43 AM 1/12/01 -0800, Michael Wilson wrote: >Pls forgive my ignorance, but what is the job's for >Big Apple Sauce? > >Later, >Mike From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 12 22:10:39 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02901 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:10:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17235 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:46:27 -0800 Received: from billy ([63.199.200.195]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G7300BYE6B718@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:37:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 21:39:24 -0800 From: Sam Colclough Subject: Re: [freestyle] Achilles Tendon To: Alexander Faber , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <000b01c07d23$4a8f3340$9b66fea9@billy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010112082202.00aac220@email.psu.edu> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Chad D. has hit spinning dyno both sides. Also your problems are stemming from probably having flat feet. There is a muscle that runs from the ball of your foot up to your heel on the inside.. you can push on the arch of your foot and follow it up right before your heal with your thumb. If you do a clipper or an inside and then flex it you will feel pain. This can be corrected by getting proper arch support in your shoes. They sell insoles specifically for this problem. If you see a chiropractor he will make your foot feel better for now and can tell you which insoles are best for you. There is also a company which custom makes these for athletes which he can tell you about. -Sam OOPS! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Faber" To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 5:27 AM Subject: [freestyle] Achilles Tendon > Howdy stylers, > > Has anyone every experienced severe pain in the Achilles Tendon from > shredding too hard? [snip] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jan 16 23:08:45 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18119 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:08:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([65.10.4.236]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010113062050.FKLG21827.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:20:50 -0800 Message-ID: <3A5FF431.76A6B33C@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:22:41 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move's Names Claim to Fame References: <005001c079aa$aeef6660$33df4fd1@magician> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Lon Smith wrote: > > Blurry clipper Curbwalk Otherwise known as a crispy drifter. To those of you who judge... would you count this move as unique from a drifter? > Pixie paradon Dimmiest > Pixie other butterfly stall Dimwalk > Pixie other side clipper stall Dimdown In honor of the fabled Dimitri, I presume. > Stepping clipper stall Stepdown A crispy whirl. Again, judges, is this unique from a whirl? > Pixie down double DoubleParker > Pixie same butterfly stall Parkwalk > Pixie same clipper stall Parkdown > Reverse mirage from clipper Bubba > Paradox Reverse mirage Buddy Works for me. > Stepping Legover Mixer > Stepping Reverse mirage Schmoe Whoa there. As noted on the move list, Schmoe is a stepping legover. Mixer would be an apt name for a stepping reverse mirage (stepping illusion). > Double over flying clipper kick Flutterby > Paradon flying clipper kick Flutterby I've got a problem with these moves sharing a name. Their notation is different, and I like to have one notation per name. But, I can get over it if need be... hell, look at butterfly and osis. > I'll be adding more names which will be much more open to suggestion, > but I'm already using these names. Please look at the move list that Steve keeps on footbag.org/freestyle. Many MANY people are learning this sport based solely off of things listed there. It doesn't matter how many people in your region use a particular name... the stuff on the move list is what is spread worldwide. I really like that you are adding to the list. That is great. I'm all for naming some of these moves. Hopefully, assigning names to certain moves (like your proposed stepdown) will point out the stylistic differences that should be counted as unique in judging. So, keep coming with the names... you just might want to check the move list to see if some are already up there. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jan 16 23:09:04 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18124 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:09:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha1.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.20]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18252 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:27:03 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([65.10.4.236]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010113062648.FKXU21827.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:26:48 -0800 Message-ID: <3A5FF598.7953C885@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 00:28:40 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] records Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all. I want to issue a challenge to all of you who like to do spinning moves. Hit three mobiuses in a row. As many of you know, the record list on http://www.dallasfootbag.org is growing. We now have a four-way tie for the most mobiuses: 2. Lon Smith, Peter "The Executioner" Irish, Allan Haggett and "Wicked" Eric Windsor all share this record. So far, Lon is the only one I have seen do this on tape. Allan? I know you have a camera. So, hit three and your name will be up in lights. Get it on tape. Later. -D From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jan 16 23:14:59 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18152 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:14:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12143 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:03:40 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G7404O01IPWE6@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:03:32 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:03:32 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] xdex?!? What is it? In-reply-to: To: Rob Fuller Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Rob Fuller wrote: > Me and my friend were wondering about this XDEX that is used in Eric's > system. Could somone please explain fully all the rules that apply to it so > I can start using it in my add count up. It doesn't exact;y make sense to > us yet (no offence). Eric is the best to give the definition and I'm limited on time, but I'll try. An xdex add is awarded in a trick with at least two dexes which are done by opposite legs each of which does a complete dex around the bag. For instance Atom Smasher, Toe Blur, Pdx Atom Smasher, Omlette. Again, it's best explained by Eric and props to him for the ingenious idea. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jan 16 23:16:52 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18170 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:16:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from proxy2.connect.ab.ca (root@proxy2.connect.ab.ca [206.75.40.76]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07647 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:20:58 -0800 Received: from bott.connect.ab.ca (rdts1-165.connect.ab.ca [207.34.74.165]) by proxy2.connect.ab.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA22016 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:20:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001001c07e56$cc678f00$a54a22cf@connect.ab.ca> From: "Ryan Bott" To: Subject: [freestyle] Ben Job's Notation Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:21:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a move like the blur: clip > op in dex > op in dex> op toe At the end of "op in dex"'s is there a set or delay at the end of outside-inside dexterity? I'm trying to make sense of Ben Job's proposal and the tutorial so please don't refer me to them. Ryan Bott From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jan 16 23:15:40 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18165 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:15:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 17908 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2001 23:29:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20010113232929.17907.qmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.0.224.35] by web210.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:29:29 PST Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 15:29:29 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Zerbe Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move's Names Claim to Fame To: Lon Smith , freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Lon Smith wrote: > Stepping Legover Mixer > Stepping Reverse mirage Schmoe > I was under the impression that stepping legover was schmoe and stepping reverse mirage was hubba bubba. Z From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jan 16 23:17:14 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18176 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:17:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f23.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.23]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11762 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:09:04 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:08:27 -0800 Received: from 205.188.197.52 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:08:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.197.52] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] old lavers Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:08:27 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2001 21:08:27.0645 (UTC) FILETIME=[23AD82D0:01C07E6E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I was wondering if anyone who's switched to the milleniums (or any other shoe for that matter) has a pair of size 11 lavers sitting at home that they could sell me for cheap... I don't feel like dishing out $60+ for the old skool lavers when I used to hear people getting them at outrageous discounts. So if you got some old skool size 11's at home or know a good bargain please reply to me separately. I haven't kicked in 2 weeks and my freestyle muscles are starting to atrophy so this would mean a lot...thanx...seeya ~Bryan Fournier OOPS! Footbag Club Hermosa Beach, CA From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jan 16 23:22:41 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18253 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:22:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1704.mail.yahoo.com (web1704.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.215]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA26383 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:01:43 -0800 Received: (qmail 22336 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2001 00:30:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20010117003048.22335.qmail@web1704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.156.71.179] by web1704.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:30:48 PST Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:30:48 -0800 (PST) From: Shaun Marques Subject: [freestyle] Blenders To: Footbag Freestyle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers out there. I was shredding in French today (yeah, believe it or not, my teacher's cool with it), and I was wondering. Whirls are possible; Osises are possible; Symposium Whirls are possible; and Blenders are possible. What am I getting at? The question: Is there such a thing as a Symposium Blender, and for that matter, a PS Blender? I've never seen it on the list, and it just occurred to me today while I was shredding, because I absolutely messed up on a trick and the thought hit me. Response is appreciated. Piece, Shaun M. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jan 16 23:26:07 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18280 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:26:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from magician (vpop-150.nccn.net [209.79.223.150]) by nccn6.nccn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/*tdw* 2000-03-16a * No UCE! *-) with SMTP id SAA23718 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:56:52 -0800 Message-ID: <002d01c07f5e$f11df6a0$96df4fd1@magician> From: "Lon Smith" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Chilly Philly Sauce = 9 ADDS In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:52:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yeah Nice one Enforcer. Sunil was wrong though I belive. There might not be an x dex unless you do the move from toe. and You do not get paradox if you spin. therefore Only another 7 Add that nobody else could ever hit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my two cents The Sloth From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 19 14:15:26 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26732 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:15:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f105.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.105]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08155 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:15:51 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:15:10 -0800 Received: from 211.216.216.95 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:15:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.216.216.95] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Chilly Philly Sauce = 9 ADDS Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:15:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2001 09:15:10.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDEC06D0:01C08065] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Lon wrote: >You do not get paradox if you spin. Sniff, sniff, yep. Smells like a debate coming on. To mix topics, in responce to Cameron's shoe review, I would (once again) like to point out the benefits of making shoes yourself, amongst others, that you can put in a nice airsole and larger catching surface. My latest creation can be seen here: http://members.nbci.com/NemesisDS/TheShoe.jpg They're about half the weight of Laver's, have a larger toe and insole surface and because of the rather drastic way I cut out around the ancle, allow for much easier movement. If anyone is interested in learning how to do this, contact me privately and I'll put together a guide. -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 19 14:16:29 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26737 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:16:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G7B07J01KKAQ1@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:26:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:26:34 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move's Names Claim to Fame In-reply-to: <3A5FF431.76A6B33C@dallasfootbag.org> To: Derric Scalf Cc: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > > Blurry clipper Curbwalk > > Otherwise known as a crispy drifter. To those of you who judge... would > you count this move as unique from a drifter? This is a strange question, because it brings to mind that if you judged each as unique, you'd have to judge torque and crispy torque as unique. I don't thinks crispy or original torque are unique from eachother. I personally like to hit original recipe because it looks and feels cooler, but I most often hit it crispy because it's easier for me. Also, I don't know it if anyone else does this, but there are times when I'm going to hit Clipper set DLO and I end up bailing to crispy torque. ISN'T THAT NUTS. I BAIL from a 3 to a 4. Anyway, it's a tough call and despite what I wrote I'd probably judge the Drifters as unique. > > Pixie paradon Dimmiest > > Pixie other butterfly stall Dimwalk > > Pixie other side clipper stall Dimdown > > In honor of the fabled Dimitri, I presume. > > > > Stepping clipper stall Stepdown > > A crispy whirl. Again, judges, is this unique from a whirl? This one I don't think poses the same problem, because I would definitely judge Stepping osis as unique from Blender and I'd judge "stepdown" unique from whirl. > > Pixie same clipper stall Parkdown How about "Pat Down"? Though it goes against my long winded post about naming moves. > Please look at the move list that Steve keeps on footbag.org/freestyle. > Many MANY people are learning this sport based solely off of things > listed there. It doesn't matter how many people in your region use a > particular name... the stuff on the move list is what is spread > worldwide. Agreed. The whole naming game is hard. Really, I invented so many moves when I was starting out and they ended up having been invented 10 or 15 years earlier, but I'd never seen them. My friends and I invented SUPER JESTER (butterflier) and Steps (legovers) not to mention all kinds of rakes and pendulums and sole stalls. It's hard to name things and get people to use those names, especially when they already have names. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 19 14:16:50 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26742 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:16:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24062 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:39:38 -0800 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G7B07N01L5U2N@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:39:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:39:30 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ben Job's Notation In-reply-to: <001001c07e56$cc678f00$a54a22cf@connect.ab.ca> To: Ryan Bott Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Ryan Bott wrote: > In a move like the blur: > clip > op in dex > op in dex> op toe > At the end of "op in dex"'s is there a set or delay at the end of > outside-inside dexterity? Nope. In the notation a delay is noted by "clip" or "toe". As with blur the move begins with a clipper delay and ends on a toe delay. If there was a delay or something in between it would no longer be a Blur. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jan 19