From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 1 22:05:37 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23999 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:05:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from foundationcomputing.net (IDENT:root@donorport.org [207.160.174.56]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09700 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:09:33 -0800 Received: from [207.160.174.20] ([207.160.174.20] verified) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3.2) with ESMTP id 446827 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:03:58 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:09:32 -0600 Subject: [freestyle] Funky Chicken visits PA From: Derrick Fogle To: Freestyle Listserve Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I will be in Bethlehem, PA From Sunday Mar. 4th thru Thursday, Mar. 8th. I will be staying at the Marriott next to the Airport. If anyone wants to try to get together with me to kick, just drop me an email. I will get back in touch as soon as I get checked in at the hotel Sunday evening, and try to make arrangements. I will be a bit thin on transportation, so hopefully there will be a place to kick at the hotel. Thanks, -Derrick "Funky Chicken" Fogle From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 1 22:05:39 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24004 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:05:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu (ucsub.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.12]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13233 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:21:28 -0800 Received: (from schneija@localhost) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.10.0/8.10.0/ITS-5.0/standard) id f21MLGp03574 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:21:16 -0700 (MST) From: Jon Schneider Message-Id: <200103012221.f21MLGp03574@ucsub.colorado.edu> Subject: [freestyle] Symposium Scores To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:21:16 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Everybody! By popular demand, I have the score breakdowns for the top ten open competitors for the Shred Symposium. When I have more scores to post, they will simply go straight to the "Results" page of everybodys' favorite web site. For now: # Name Raw ADDs Contacts Uniques X Ratio = Bonus = Total Score 12 Yacine M. 113 40 18 2.825 50.85 163.85 11 Toby R. 125 44 15 2.84 42.6 167.6 10 Daryl G. 120 43 20 2.791 55.82 175.82 9 Scott D. 130 46 20 2.826 56.52 186.52 8 Rippin' 133 47 21 2.83 59.43 192.43 7 Chad D. 131 43 21 3.047 63.987 194.987 6 Dave H. 149 46 18 3.239 58.302 207.302 5 Peter I. 156 48 17 3.25 55.25 211.25 4 E. Wulff 152 46 24 3.304 79.296 231.296 3 Sunil J. 158 50 24 3.16 75.84 233.84 2 Ahren G. 158 48 27 3.292 88.884 246.884 1 Lon S. 156 47 31 3.319 102.889 258.889 There are some scores that we just haven't added yet, as we only had time to get the top scores at the Symposium to award prizes before we had to leave the place. Look all ye and tremble, for our top seven players all had ADD ratios over 3.00, and our top six players all had total scores of over 200 points. Be afraid, be very afraid. Also, though his total score was lower on the first day, Lon Smith's ADD ratio was about 3.46. Thats pretty high. More than seven hundred dollars was awarded in prizes to the top three competitors, plus Mr. Sandman, Paul Mestes awared $50 to Peter Irish for doing a dropless shred routine at the Symposium, and Eli Piltz awared his Phat Trick prize of $100 bucks to The Torch for hitting Atomic Ducking Double Over Down, a.k.a. Ducking Fusion. I think I should have won that dough for my Flipwalk, or Symposium Whirling Swirling Dragon, but I guess Eli didn't see that second one. And then there was Timber Wolf... Well, there was alot of moves hit, including Sam Jobin finishing an awesome Shred routine with a Paradox Symposium Whirl. I could go on and on, but I have appointments to keep. Catch y'all on the flip side. Jonathan Schneider Outsider@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 1 22:05:42 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24009 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:05:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20422 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:25:38 -0800 Received: from c4720a ([24.178.207.137]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010302012505.FCAA17149.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c4720a>; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:25:05 -0800 Message-ID: <001101c0a2c1$5a4a9900$89cfb218@ftclns1.co.home.com> From: "Richard Reese" To: "Jon Schneider" , References: <200102271945.f1RJjck03200@ucsub.colorado.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] More Shred Symposium Info Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 18:34:48 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, Rippin' here. I can't believe nobody else has replied to The Outsiders post yet. The Symposium was unreal. I wanted to mention James Risden, He was smooth as silk and was hitting tons of cool stuff. He was not intimidated by the big circles either, he stepped into a circle with Torch, Tsunami, Pete, and myself and busted out fog, paradox torque,mobius.... obviously not in that order, but very impressive indeed. Watch for him in the near future..... crazy thing is... he's half my fu#$%ng age, what a bitch gettin' old can be. My absolute props go out to Yacine and the Montreal crew for taking an ungodly 47 hour BUS ride to the Boulder area for some insane shred. Yacine was inducted into the B.A.P. He was kicking extremely hard all weekend and was very consistant, I got the chance to help him warm-up on Sat. and had a blast, atom-smashers, symp. atomsmashers, blenders, awesome energy all weekend long, congrats to you,Yacine. Good job to the rest of the Montreal posse as well, can't wait to see you all at Worlds.....Just please don't take a bus to San Fran. Richie Abshire made a well deserved entrance into the Posse also, If there is one guy who has paid his dues, it's Richie (Renegade), Welcome to the Posse Bro, great shreddin'. Allan Haggett showed that he hasn't stopped shredding since Worlds either and made the BAP with impressive fashion, inspins on both sides, double spins, and tripless shred whenever he wants. My personal thanks go out to the California contingency,1st thru 4th places in the 45 second shred contest.....all this without Ryan on hand. they came and spanked in full force. Lon Smith is a freakin' maniac in the circles, this guy can hit almost every move in the book, 31 uniques on Sunday in his shred....4 better than Ahren's sick shred on Saturday. I saw him just missing Diving Mobius on sun. Sunil is still Mr. Dexterity,Every move or combo that I ask him to hit, He's already hit it, And what an absolute blast to play in the same circle with,total energy.....can't wait to play with you and the Torch again, it was the Bomb.....By the way, Sunil hit a barraging blurry Whirl (Genesis) on Friday for the Tricks 2 Video, Props galore. The Torch hit Your Mom on Friday also, (Symp. Fusion), He just missed Ducking Your Mom on Sunday but I think he'll be sealing that one soon. Kenny Shults,you guys remember him, Hit The Sauce and Blurry Whirling Swirl too...........all these and lots more will be on the Tricks 2 , later this fall. There is so much more to talk about, but for now,I'll just say thanks to everybody for coming to the best shred tourney ever. See ya'all soon. Rippin'. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Schneider" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: [freestyle] More Shred Symposium Info Hi Again. Now a more personal perspective on the Shred Symposium. Again, I don't know where to start. The Shred was awesome! Many of us started out on Friday shredding at Garkie's Studio, where most of Tricks of the Trade Two was filmed. etc. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 1 22:05:43 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24014 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:05:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web11602.mail.yahoo.com (web11602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.54]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27068 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:23:00 -0800 Message-ID: <20010302042248.99273.qmail@web11602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.132.77.226] by web11602.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 20:22:48 PST Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:22:48 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Zohar Piltz Reply-To: Zohar@ZoharPro.com Subject: [freestyle] CSS2 Roundup To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Here is my account of the event; this article will also be available on my website shortly. CSS2 For the players, by the players, the Colorado Shred Symposium 2 (CSS2) was by far the most rewarding freestyle event in footbag history. ìTricks of the Trade 2î was filmed the Friday before competition, inviting sixteen top freestylers to educate the coming generation. The ëShred 45í Contest was off the hook both days, filled with close calls and come from behind surprises. The Big Add Posse inducted three freestylers on Sunday to honor their accomplishments in the circles. And a few of the sickest tricks in history were born. First round Pro ëShred 45í was startling to say the least. Ahren Gehrman pulled out a monster score of 200, with Paradox Torque both sides and big combos all around to land the highest rank going into Round 2 on Sunday. Slightly trailing were Eric Wulff in second and Peter Irish in third, who pulled off a massive dropless run of 156 adds. Following first round, the floor was packed with circles of pros and amateurs side-by-side and cameras rolling everywhere. The energy was high and positive- it seemed that no one was trying to out-bust the next guy for egoís sake. With every fresh trick and combo the sport was pushed to a new level, and every shredder busted for the benefit of the whole. By day two, the worth of the CSS2 was realized. Any signs of fatigue disappeared. Behind bright blue doors, competitors waited for their call to bust as hard as possible, each hoping to beat his score from the day before. Making the most dramatic leaps were Sunil Jani, climbing to the third place, and ëShred Oní Lon Smith, nabbing the first place title, with a record thirty-one uniques. Returning to the scene were Tuan Vu, Brian McKenzie, and Kenny Shults. Tuan laid out huge combos with his signature explosive speed, and extended consistently as always. McKenzie was on fire- fast, powerful runs loaded with long, Genuine combos, and hitting Gary Coleman (Atomic Symposium Whirl) all over the place. Shults was swinging dexes like an axe, and spinning 720s with unmarred equilibrium. Inspired and inspiring these shredders were all stoked to jam after time off the game. Making the scariest impressions of all were Ahren Gehrman and Chad Devlahovich. These two are at the lead of innovative maneuvers and all-around insanity, showing no lag on their flipsides, even in competition. Big Add Chad and the Torch continually fed off each other when sharing the circle- Gyro Whirl to Vortex answered by Gyro Whirl to Tombstone- unreal!!! It was definitely enlightening to see the envelope pushed with almost every step, set, and shuffle from the pair. Ahren Gehrman won the Sideline Sickness Award from Zohar Productions by nailing a new, insane trick called Id (an Atomic Ducking Doubledown). He hit Id casually and without flaw, perfectly clean and sharp. Only minutes before, Ahren hit a similar move for the first time: Atomic Ducking Whirl. He then one-upped it for the prize and respect. Honorable mentions for the S.S. Award were Gyro Flurry (Flurricane) by Big Add Chad, Shooting Symposium Mirage by Tuan Vu, and Atomic Symposium Whirl by Brian McKenzie. Other huge, new tricks were Stepping Inspinning Mobius (Timberwulff) by Eric Wulff and Double Spinning Whirl by Kenny Shults, but unfortunately neither were witnessed for the Award. The Canadian presence jammed strong all weekend, as Yacine Merzouk of Montreal, Quebec and Allan Haggett of Vancouver, B.C. were accepted into the Big Add Posse (BAP). Samuel Jobin won the Intermediate ëShred 45í competition, returning to Montreal with, among other prizes, an honorary pair of freestyle shoes signed by the BAP members attending the CSS2. California and Colorado were both in full force, showing the greatest numbers of players. Also, numerous female stylers were in attendance, including womenís World Champion Carol Wedemeyer, who was busting Vortex all over the place, like a bail. Richie Abshire was a generous footbag sponsor of the event, and he returned to the sunny beaches of San Diego with BAP status. The now-called Renegade was shown this respect for paying his dues and busting huge. Many new players showed up from nowhere, shredding both small and large, venturing to their first major tournament. These groms are what make the tournament scene interesting. Given, everyone wonders who will be landing the phattest moves, but the top shredders are also curious to see which newbies will be coming up in the next year(s). James Risden from the Chicago area was among the rising stars, showing loads of potential. Most importantly, the immense growth of the sport was apparent, the progression of moves was characteristic, and the great number of solid freestylers was evident that the future is now. Footbag freestyle is one of the most exciting action sports emerging today, with infinite possibilities. It is events like the Colorado Shred Symposium that keep us all inspired. Big props to Jonathan Schneider for directing the greatest tournament in history. Eli Zohar Piltz www.ZoharPro.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 1 22:07:56 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24050 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:07:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA30287 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:02:04 -0800 Received: (qmail 27486 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2001 06:01:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20010302060157.27485.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.174.161.195] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 01 Mar 2001 22:01:57 PST Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:01:57 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: RE: [freestyle] Atomic sets. To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <48A772923645D411B54100D0B765CC215C59A2@INETSRV> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Adrian Dick wrote: > Hmm, ducking fusion would be cool. Would be? PSSSSHHHHHH! Ahren Gehrman busted this at least 3 times at the symposium. One of them I'm sure was set from a pdx atom smasher. I have this on tape if anyone wants to see it. Believe me, you want to see this. Damn, this fool is good at footbag. Later, James Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Mar 2 19:07:02 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27483 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 19:07:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02540 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:49:27 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id t.10.97fbc73 (4243); Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:48:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10.97fbc73.27d1b56f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:48:15 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] More Shred Symposium Info To: ripwalk@home.com, Jonathan.Schneider@Colorado.EDU, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A few notes from my angle on the awesome Colorado Shred Symposium. After almost not making it to the event due to serious airline mishaps, I finally arrived mid-morning on Friday (thanks to Genzu and Sunny). It was pretty fun on Friday to sit in the Director's chair and say "Torch, let me see you hit your mom. . . One more please, and this time with some feeling." Saturday was a blast. All the new tricks and new players were truly inspiring not to mention all the old-timers still showing some impressive skills. I stepped into a circle with Allen Hagget way too early in the day and received a pretty sound paddling. That guy's got some HUGE stuff. Also got to kick with James Risden and was very impressed. He's very smooth with nice deep cuts. I also want to commend James for standing up extremely well to the no-second-chances protocol I was enforcing for most of the day on Saturday (more than I can say for some of the whining Bappers :) Great work by Jonathan and the rest of the Boulder crew. Everybody obviously had a great time, which is the best measure of success for a footbag event. Thanks for the hard work. Kenny Shults From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 3 10:47:56 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29289 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 10:47:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Kenny Shults Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23105 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 07:08:15 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id z.4c.1183487a (24899) for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 10:07:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4c.1183487a.27d262b0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 10:07:28 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] More Shred Symposium Info To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org One more thing. I forgot to thank Sunil for waiting until he was in another circle before hitting 5 blurriests in a row. If I had witnessed that in person I think I would have soiled my shorts. Kenny Shults From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Mar 4 21:53:16 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01022 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:53:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ken ([24.69.36.81]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010304071634.DOA25888.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@ken> for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 23:16:34 -0800 Message-ID: <003901c0a47b$47a1e9a0$51244518@gvsa1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Allan Haggett" To: References: <10.97fbc73.27d1b56f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] More Shred Symposium Info Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 23:18:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org sup y'all..... I just want to thank *everyone* who came out to Colorado. It was truly an event I will always remember; for more reasons than I have had time to absorb at this point. The video footage of the border guard massaging a bag and saying "What do ya do, kick this at a target or something??" was priceless enough, but that was only at the start of what proved to be one of the coolest 4 day stretches of my life :) Sleep Deprivation, Altitude, Car Cramps..... none of it made any difference upon stepping into the Toadstool Playhouse. I don't even want to form my thoughts on everything that happened yet.... maybe someday soon I'll post some reflections, but for now.... HUGE thanks to Daryl and Sunny for putting us up and keeping us alive and Jonathan for organizing such a cool thing. It turned out to be an entity of it's own that will last in the memories of everyone who attended. I can't wait for the next one! I'm "Offline" for the next little while as I get organized in Vancouver.... my site is down too, but I'll be back in the next few weeks(with luck) with a new site with cool new footage(from CSS2!! even though I missed some of the big, hein moves). Everyone take good care of your legs and yourselves!! For now, Peace, Allan H. PS Thanks again Rippin'.... you know why ;) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 6 10:08:06 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04718 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:08:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f52.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.52]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23798 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:52:04 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:51:27 -0800 Received: from 204.91.230.234 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:51:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.91.230.234] From: "Pete Irish" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Colorado Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:51:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2001 16:51:27.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFCAB280:01C0A65D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Much Love and respect to Jonathan Schneider for putting together an event for the ages, one of the greatest gatherings of stylists of all time. Huge props to Lonn for busting the competition on day 2 with his beautiful mindblowing style, and to Ahren German for hitting some of the sickest things ever thought of by anyone, like they were cake. Respect and welcome to the 3 newest possee members: Allan, Yacine, and Richie-you guys deserve it. Thanks to all the possee members who showed up for blowing my mind, and props to the new kickers shredding harder and harder. Happy Birthday to Highlander Dave Holton. Give thanks to all who supported the tournament, to Ellie for his great work, to Paul Mestas for the amazing juggling inspiration, for everyone who attended. Thanks to Bruce Gettich for Tricks of the Trade support. Thanks to Mr. Kenny Shults and Mr. Rippin Rick Reese, of course. This was the sickest display of shredding I have ever seen. More ridiculous shit was hit this weekend than any other event. If you missed this, you missed something monumental, I strongly suggest no one miss this next year,, if it's even half as huge it'll be something amazing. Peter Irish From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 6 23:46:07 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06082 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:46:07 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web12801.mail.yahoo.com (web12801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.36]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03205 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:29:55 -0800 Message-ID: <20010306212948.29373.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.155.229.81] by web12801.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:29:48 PST Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:29:48 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Baker Subject: [freestyle] Registration for Eugene Freestyle Freekout To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I am just writing to warn you that registration for the Eugene event ends March 15th. Everyone who registers will receive a players pack with cool stuff in it. If you don't it will be two bucks more day of event. Registration is only for the contests we will be holding for the event. If you just want to jam it is all good no $ needed. The fee is just to help pay for the place and the vegetarian luch I am trying to hook up. I hope if you are thinking on coming come it is going to be sweet. Keep shredding all and have a good one. Register online now at: http://www.footbag.org/calendar/show/979089216 Matt Baker From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 6 23:46:05 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06077 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:46:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (f04s01.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.31]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01287 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:06:17 -0800 Received: from psu.edu (tnt3-167-150.cac.psu.edu [130.203.167.150]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA49618 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:06:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3AA57B59.752979AB@psu.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 16:05:45 -0800 From: Kaiser Ahmad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Peeking Anything Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, everyone. Just had something on my mind. I was just thinking about peeking moves (because they look really nice) and I was wondering if anyone has either hit or tried to hit stuff other than peeking osis or peeking clipper. I'm talking about stuff like peeking mirage, peeking whirl, peeking butterfly, peeking blender, peeking bubba, peeking legover, peeking torque, etc... And I was also wondering if anyone has tried these, then have they tried to take it a step further by maybe making some of these symposium? I think that many of these moves, symposium or not, would feel pretty gyro (well, at least for me, an attempt at peeking whirl feels like my failed attempts at gyro whirl). And I was wondering if anyone has taken it a step further than that by possibly adding a paradox to the move. Peeking paradox mirage, peeking paradox whirl, etc... I think it can be done with a lot of practice. Perhaps there can be peeking ducking moves (I guess that might be pushing it a bit far). If anyone has hit these moves, then its my bad for not knowing. Sorry. I'm gonna try some of these moves later today. Wish me luck and pray that I don't break my ass. Peace out. LordKay-NYFA Soze-PennStateTrio From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 6 23:46:08 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06087 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 23:46:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web12813.mail.yahoo.com (web12813.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.100]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03317 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:32:54 -0800 Message-ID: <20010306213247.61380.qmail@web12813.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.155.229.81] by web12813.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:32:47 PST Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:32:47 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Baker Subject: [freestyle] Tips on paradox drifter To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Any suggestions on the paradox drifter?? I can hit paradox dada and ocasionaly paradox drifter but I need someone to break it down for me. Thanx, Matt Baker P.S. Sunil man amazes me!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 7 20:36:16 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08228 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:36:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp05.mail.onemain.com (SMTP-OUT003.ONEMAIN.COM [63.208.208.73]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07393 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:26:47 -0800 Received: (qmail 21380 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2001 01:57:21 -0000 Received: from port46.mico35.tir.com (HELO jaymolde) ([216.40.142.231]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp05.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Mar 2001 01:57:21 -0000 Message-ID: <007301c0a6ab$725586c0$e78e28d8@jaymolde> From: "Jay Moldenhauer" To: "Pete Irish" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Colorado Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:08:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org To read about this stuff happening out in shredfest, CO, makes me ache for days of my youth. But, rest assured that hell or high water or.............well, I will be there at the next Symposium to witness this awesome display for the ages. Props to all those that were instrumental in putting this thing together. Jonathon, etc. I wouldn't know where to start, since I wasn't there. But, that is my point! Everyone, everywhere, if they are or were a freestyler, wishes that they could have been there. That is, if they weren't. It just blows my mind and excites me to no end to see all these up and comers. You guys are raging. Don't stop!!!!!!!!!!!!! People that I know such as Irish, Shults, Reese, etc, please excuse me if I leave anyones name out. Sunil, I remember when you came into MI for a X-Mas jam. Gee Whiz, that seems so long ago. I really do miss those days. I also remember when the hein of the hein amounted to one circle. Kenny, Rick, Peter, Dimitri, Kelly, Dennis Jones. The circles, the shreds, in the Holidome. It didn't nmatter where it was happening. Sometimes in the wee hours while nursing a cold one. Watching Kenny bring out blades to match Mr. Rippin stroke for stroke and trying not to be too loud so as not wake the people up in the surrounding rooms at the dome. Standing around and watching from the veranda at the circle down below when people still considered tilting and not even knowing they were tilting. Watching Ric bust out combo's in the motel room on command. Jon Lind, Greg Nelson, Peter Irish and myself watching and commanding. Hits the combo in 5 tries or less. Jamming up in Boulder as I see Kenny enforcing this new crime called tilting. Watching Genzu in the background slowly becoming a force in freestyle. Watching Eric Wulff drop out and then reappear to become a household name, as if he wasn't in the beginning. Watching Steve Goldberg with these weird rakes in Hershey. Watching Sam and then this new up and comer Carol. Good God, where does this all end. NEVER. I remember Dave Yevin........and ask Ric and Kenny, this guy was good. I just love seeing all this good positive energy. I remember meeting Scott Davidsion in Athens,MI and finding out he was interested in going to the World's in 1985. So we went, me a so called adult and this punk kid teenager. They even had a .......get this,....... a training camp to teach the basics. Meeting Lisa, Kenny, shoot so long ago my memory fails me. I remember taking Greg Nelson in 1987 and watching him tongue-tied for a good 45 minutes (no exaggeration) after having witnessed Kenny and Ric in the dorms in Golden. Meeting Paul Munger and then Josh and Steve. Meeting Somolinos and Eli and I don't even know who else in Chicago. I remember Jon Lind and Dennis Ross and Greg Nelson and myself in these cool improv Jams. I didn't plan on turning this thing into a book. But, I think one and all gets the idea of the excitement I feel to read about all these jams spread out all across this country. And then to have this thing culminate in a BIG ASS SYMPOSIUM where all the freestylers come together. YOU GUYS ROCK Jayman From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 8 10:01:40 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09396 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:01:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web5301.mail.yahoo.com (web5301.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.110]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15783 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:09:10 -0800 Message-ID: <20010308170903.29480.qmail@web5301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.79.223.138] by web5301.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:09:03 PST Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:09:03 -0800 (PST) From: Lon Smith Subject: Re: [freestyle] Peeking Anything To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <3AA57B59.752979AB@psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Kaiser Ahmad wrote: >He wrote about all the possibilities of peaking moves. I would have to agree that this window has not been explored enough. I have tried and hit some of the moves you listed but not many. Peeking mirage Peeking pickup Peeking pork (oh wait, that's peking) Peeking butterfly Peeking spinning osis Peeking ducking osis Peeking diving osis Wicked Windsor and I even tried double peeking stuff for a while this one session. Eric is really fast at it he got me to try peeking spinning stuff. I don't think he hits any different ones than I do except maybe peeking peeking spyro clipper Here's a good move Peaking spinning ducking osis The problem with peaking is the spin is kinda tha looking most the time. Sloth Out From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 8 10:01:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09391 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:01:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f178.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.178]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05492 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:54:53 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:54:16 -0800 Received: from 193.229.72.75 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:54:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.229.72.75] From: "Samuli Viitanen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Tips on paradox drifter Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:54:16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2001 09:54:16.0329 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCB54790:01C0A7B5] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Baker: >Any suggestions on the paradox drifter?? I can hit paradox dada and >ocasionaly paradox drifter but I need someone to break it down for me. Hi Matt and everyone else. I personally think that a very good drill for pdx drifter is to first learn toe-set drifter. After skoolin' this like a piece of cake pdx drifter should be much more easier. And the same goes naturally for example in learning pdx torque. First try toe-set torque and later pdx torque. And on both sides, of course;) -Samuli Viitanen -finnishredder@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 8 10:02:48 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09408 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:02:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: "Fletcher Nelson" Received: from nw171.netaddress.usa.net (nw171.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.71]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA15052 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:39:20 -0800 Received: (qmail 24020 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2001 16:38:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20010308163838.24019.qmail@nw171.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.71 by nw171 for [134.121.147.74] via web-mailer() on Thu Mar 8 16:38:38 GMT 2001 Date: 8 Mar 2001 09:38:38 MST To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Shooting set - 3 adds? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer () Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id IAA09295 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Somebody told me that shooting set was 2 adds - if nuclear is 2 adds shouldn't shooting get a paradox add too? And if so how come people aren't busticating 7 adds like cake? I think this set is dope... what are some of the phati moves hit out of it? FLETCHER ScorpionTail@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 8 12:02:56 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09702 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:02:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21991 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:47:48 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) id <0G9W005019N664@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:47:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G9W005019N663@clem.mscd.edu>; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:47:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:47:30 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Tips on paradox drifter In-reply-to: To: Samuli Viitanen Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Samuli Viitanen wrote: > I personally think that a very good drill for pdx drifter is to first learn > toe-set drifter. After skoolin' this like a piece of cake pdx drifter should > be much more easier. And the same goes naturally for example in learning pdx > torque. First try toe-set torque and later pdx torque. And on both sides, of > course;) I agree 100% with what Samuli wrote. I'd also like to add that I finally learned my flip side Toe Set Torque and Pdx Torque by skooling Toe Set Drifter and Pdx Drifter and actually Bailing to osis. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 8 13:39:39 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09924 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:39:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22852; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:09:50 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) id <0G9W00P01AO6AC@clem.mscd.edu>; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:09:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0G9W00P01AO5A5@clem.mscd.edu>; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:09:42 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:09:41 -0700 (MST) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shooting set - 3 adds? In-reply-to: <20010308163838.24019.qmail@nw171.netaddress.usa.net> To: Fletcher Nelson Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Fletcher Nelson wrote: > Somebody told me that shooting set was 2 adds - if nuclear is 2 adds shouldn't > shooting get a paradox add too? And if so how come people aren't busticating > 7 adds like cake? I think this set is dope... what are some of the phati > moves hit out of it? Whether or not shooting is 2 or 3 depends on what you do with your legs after the set is up. Shooting gets 3 if you do a paradox with the second dex leg. However, there is a whole list of moves that can be done from shooting that don't involve paradox. Shooting Op Butterfly Shooting Op Clipper Shooting Osis Shooting Corpse Grinder Shooting Barfly (I'd love to see or do this one it'd be a good shooting 4 dex) Then there are Shooting moves that do have the Paradox element: Shooting Mirage Shooting Drifter Shooting Same Butterfly Shooting Op Osis Shooting Op Corpse Grinder Shooting Torque Shooting DLO etcetera, etcetera, etcetera... Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 8 13:40:32 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09932 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:40:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.146]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27624 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:32:59 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([65.10.4.236]) by femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010308213203.MRYF653.femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:32:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3AA7FBEB.81CC368A@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 15:38:51 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shooting set - 3 adds? References: <20010308163838.24019.qmail@nw171.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fletcher Nelson wrote: > > Somebody told me that shooting set was 2 adds - if nuclear is 2 adds shouldn't > shooting get a paradox add too? In many cases, shooting is three adds... for exactly the reason you mentioned above. On some shooting same side moves (same side as the second dex on the shoot), there isn't a paradox and the set is only worth two. But, if you do a shooting opposite side move (the way most are done), you should get a paradox on the second dex. > And if so how come people aren't busticating 7 adds like cake? Just because the set is worth three adds doesn't mean that it is "cake" to get four more after the set. Remember... you can't have two paradoxes in one move. Now if you can add in an xdex, 7 adds are a bit easier to come by, but that's a different thread. > I think this set is dope... what are some of the phati moves hit out of it? The set is quite dope. I've seen Tuan hit shooting torque - a tasty 7 adds. And Red has busted a shooting star (shooting down double) - another nice 7 adder. Of course, adds aren't everything. A shooting drifter would be nice... Has anyone hit that? How about shooting ducking anything? One thing about this set is that it is pretty easy to get sloppy on that first dex. Be sure to set then go. Don't just pull the bag under your leg... Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 8 14:39:33 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10080 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:39:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.5]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29325 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:13:05 -0800 Received: (qmail 28481 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2001 22:12:51 -0000 Received: from dslpppn95.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO mindspring.com) (63.225.246.95) by dnvrpop3.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 8 Mar 2001 22:12:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:12:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3AA803DE.53B78C64@mindspring.com> From: "Ernest Crvich" To: freestyle@footbag.org Organization: IBM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shooting set - 3 adds? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Shooting Corpse Grinder For the record, I had originally joked (last summer I think) that Corpsegrinder be the new name for Butterfly, not toe stall. It all started from Eli's posting about renaming Pixie and Fairy because they weren't tough enough (a topic which had reared its ugly head a few years before that). Realizing that Butterfly was also at risk of being renamed, I tried to beat others to it in an attempt to show how silly the whole thread was (to me, anyway). The name comes from death metal vocalist George Fisher. In retrospect, I probably should've reserved the name for my infamous rump stall, which locals here in Boulder affectionately refer to as Dark Side Of The Moon. And while I'm thinking of it, three mighty hails to Jonathan Schneider (and those who helped him) for making the CO Shred Symposium such a momentous occasion. I was too out of practice and still recovering from an injury to be able to shred worth a goat's bladder, but I still had an amazing time. Thanks also to my pals Laura, Danielle & Marc for flying out and taking part in the festivities! -- Ernest M. Crvich Boulder, CO Have footbag, will shred From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 10 22:46:20 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14915 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:46:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09379 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:38:08 -0800 Received: from storefull-617.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-617.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.58]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB30AF9 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-617.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id JAA15055; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 09:37:40 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRRXCL18CBWHIcGLImUUl2IDDYAGwIUaGIV2krFqBo+kCPp1Hdi4FcdR7g= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:37:40 -0500 (EST) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Collection for mom Message-ID: <20578-3AAA6664-7391@storefull-617.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everybody, As some of you may know, my mom gave me my first footbag, introducing me to the sport. Without her help, it is likely I never would have played the game. Now, she needs help. Last Saturday she had a heart attack. She was flown by medivac to Anchorage on Tuesday . Her femoral artery has ruptured twice since then. It was life threatening, since she still had medication to thin her blood in her system. She has pulled through, and is doing well so far. All of this has racked up quite a bill. Even though mom was working, my parents have very little money, and no insurance. I wish I could be in Alaska, and do more :( Any money or positive energy you could send to them, would be greatly appreciated. Linda and Rod Nelson Box 823 Soldotna AK 99669 Thanks, Greg From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 10 22:46:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14909 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:46:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web11607.mail.yahoo.com (web11607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.59]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA24865 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:46:59 -0800 Message-ID: <20010310054652.62797.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.171.110.209] by web11607.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 09 Mar 2001 21:46:52 PST Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:46:52 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Zohar Piltz Reply-To: Zohar@ZoharPro.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] Tips on paradox drifter To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo. I figure I should give some pointers on Paradox Drifter, since I have the record for them consecutively- though I'm certain the Torch can break the fifteen barrier on any given day. This was one of the first four add moves I ever started skooling. Set: waist high, or slightly lower. There is a double pivot involved in Pdx Drf. With the set comes the first pivot. As kind of a heave ho, simultaneously set and pivot backward and toward the setting side. When the footbag reaches your navel, you should have full balance on the support leg, and be ready to spring forward. Thrust yourself at the bag with your dex knee bent (45 degrees or so) and hip closed (relative the footbag); this is the start of the second pivot. As you near the footbag, raise the dex leg to about parallel to the ground, keeping the knee bent around 90 degrees. Carve around that bag swiftly, while turning your lower half away from the set/catch side, and dropping your entire leg toward the ground to catch the bag. At first you will likely be racing the footbag to the ground. Don't sweat it, your timing will be there with a little practice. On the pivots, don't be afraid to get some air between you and the ground. It's not just a pivot, it's a leap. I recommend you stretch your back and hips, and work both sides, or injury may occur (with this and most moves). Best luck, Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Mar 11 12:34:51 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16167 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:34:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web11601.mail.yahoo.com (web11601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.53]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20539 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:59:06 -0800 Message-ID: <20010311185854.35187.qmail@web11601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.199.24] by web11601.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:58:54 PST Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:58:54 -0800 (PST) From: Eli Zohar Piltz Reply-To: Zohar@ZoharPro.com Subject: [freestyle] millenium revival & classic update To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Stylers, I was just made aware that Adidas will re-release the Rod Laver Millenium this April. Also, the Classic Rod Laver has been remade with modern technology and materials. If you freestyle in the OLD Classic Lavers, I cannot emphasize enough how important it is for your game to get a pair of the updated kind; you will no longer be playing with bricks on your feet. The new ones are very flexible and lightweight, with better support and cushioning. They are Made In China, and do not bear a size marking on the sole. They are The WFA has them in stock. Neither of the Lavers are ideal freestyle shoes by any means, but they are the best we have... at present. Eli Piltz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 12 21:52:55 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18924 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:52:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f71.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.71]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27173 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:27:37 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:27:21 -0800 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 05:27:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "KeN Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:27:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2001 05:27:21.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[477828E0:01C0AB7E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Just curious, what are some of the cooler footbag tricks people have done with objects other than footbags? I've been messing around with a soccer ball, and i can do mirages, atws, legovers, clippers, dragonfly kicks, butterfly kicks, bent knee clippers,flapper kicks, spinning toe stalls, and flying clippers. Has anybody tried triple dexes with non-footbag objects? I've gotten my foot on smog with a tennis ball. This is a pretty random topic, I'm just curious to hear what people have played with, and if they've hit anything cool. Peace, Ken CF Somolinos From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 13 21:14:54 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21155 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:14:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 16577 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2001 17:45:52 -0000 Received: from du-020-229.access.de.clara.net (HELO quarktasche) (213.221.70.229) by mail.gmx.net (mp027-rz3) with SMTP; 13 Mar 2001 17:45:52 -0000 Message-ID: <003901c0abe5$00335b00$e546ddd5@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:40:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi list, since this was already defined as a random topic I dare to chime in on this.... > Just curious, what are some of the cooler footbag tricks people have done > with objects other than footbags? I've been playing a lot with *coins* last summer and I got used to it. I managed to do some of the basic tricks, no "cooler" yet, but I remember I hit Blur. Coins are no fun to kick at all. Absolutely not. They use to bounce in any other direction than the intended and are only stallable when coming down flat. But anyhow, in lack of a footbag I'm gonna kick anything! ;o) So long, Matthias...... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 13 21:14:53 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21150 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:14:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web805.mail.yahoo.com (web805.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.65]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13255 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:41:42 -0800 Received: (qmail 26282 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2001 17:41:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20010313174135.26281.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.11.86.190] by web805.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:41:35 PST Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:41:35 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- KeN Somolinos wrote: > Just curious, what are some of the cooler footbag > tricks people have done > with objects other than footbags? Once I hit ps whirl with a set of keys, wearing pants and converse all-stars. I used to be able to do short guiltless combos with keys. Tim Werner hit eclpse with an ice cube. Some new moves I've sealed with a footbag are Jani Walker, Spinning Paradox Eggbeater, and Gyro Blizzard. Later, James Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 13 21:14:56 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21160 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:14:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web213.mail.yahoo.com (web213.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.113]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA24680 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:54:24 -0800 Received: (qmail 16051 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2001 22:54:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010313225417.16050.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.0.224.35] by web213.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:54:17 PST Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:54:17 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Zerbe Subject: Re: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org, Freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In amsterdam I saw a guy shreding with a soccer ball. He was doing consecutive mirage and reverse mirage while sitting on his rear. As well as a bunch of other stuff. standing up he hit spinning butterfly kick to flying paradox mirage. He was real good. lots of original stuff. Zerbe From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 13 21:14:47 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21140 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:14:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mercury.oac.uci.edu (mercury.oac.uci.edu [128.200.80.27]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29514 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:04:35 -0800 Received: from ezra (cv227021.reshsg.uci.edu [128.195.227.21]) by mercury.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA03788 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:04:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000a01c0ab8c$0cf492e0$15e3c380@reshsg.uci.edu> From: "Eugene Choi Kim" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:05:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i kick with my set of keys. i've hit a torque and ripwalk with my set of keys hahaa....sometimes we get a little to into kickin around a set of keys that we end up never putting it in the car and heading off like originally planned.... my two cents, --eug From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 13 21:14:51 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21145 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:14:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [216.86.64.33]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07244 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:15:09 -0800 Received: from provide.net (usr03-040.provide.net [216.86.66.40]) by dns1.provide.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2DEF1n20286 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:15:01 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Filter: check_local@dns1.provide.net by digitalanswers.org Message-ID: <3AAE2CE4.70508@provide.net> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:21:02 -0500 From: Matt Craig User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010105 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Genzu Blades was doing ATW with a five-pound boulder at the CSS. Ouch! Can't remember if he tried a double ATW or a forehead stall.... I've tried some with a golf disc. Corpsegrinder is okay. Butterflys and sole delays are tougher. Orientation of the object starts to make a big difference when it's not spherical. matt craig From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 14 23:53:12 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23738 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:53:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.6]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA09100 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:06:06 -0800 Received: (qmail 13729 invoked by uid 0); 14 Mar 2001 05:36:51 -0000 Received: from dslpppo146.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO mindspring.com) (63.225.247.146) by dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 05:36:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:37:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3AAF0393.A46635A@mindspring.com> From: "Ernest Crvich" To: freestyle@footbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org KeN Somolinos wrote: > Just curious, what are some of the cooler footbag tricks people have done > with objects other than footbags? People who know me reasonably well (who have progressed beyond the casual groping and grabbing period inherent in all new platonic friendships) know that I like animals. But not in the normal, traditional, sexual sense...I actually just enjoy watching them frolic in their natural environs, stroking their velvet-like fur, or feeding them raspberry flavored gelatin by hand as we relax together in my luxurious and spacious bathtub. As a consequence of this completely wholesome fondness, I have several tanks of freshwater tropical fish in my humble abode. From Angelfish to Zebra Danios, you might call me a "fish fetishist"...but that would indicate some sort of illicit physical attraction, so let's just call me a "fish freak". Unfortunately, sometimes animals "pass away", or "release their mortal coils", or "float to the top of the tank and turn fuzzy". When this happens with one of my aqua-friends, as a means of honoring its memory (or for those who are spiritual, "helping the soul on its way to Happyville"), I remove its delicate, bloated corpse from the tank, say a few words of thanks for the happiness and pleasure it brought me during its life, give it one last farewell smooch, and then use the body to pull some really insane shred combos! Check this out: Neon Tetra ("Sammy") - [kick], dragonfly, ducking butterfly, [drop] Pearl Gourami ("Hunk") - [kick], butterfly swirl, scorpion tail, [drop] and best of all Cherry Barb ("Winker") - [clip], Grave Digger, Tombstone, [drop] Short but sweet. Just like their little lives. But now I must run, the water runneth over... -- Ernest M. Crvich Boulder, CO Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 14 23:53:16 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23753 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:53:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from balle (nas24-103.vlt.club-internet.fr [195.36.223.103]) by front5.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id OAA02594 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:27:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000e01c0ac8a$daba9860$02325555@balle> From: "Maxime Boucoiran" To: References: <200103132050.MAA20235@list.footbag.org> Subject: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #1143 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:29:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Just curious, what are some of the cooler footbag tricks people have done > with objects other than footbags? I've managed a mirage with a pack of cigarettes (about half full)... I also hit coins around a bit (always pretty impressive making a coin toss from a clipper I think). Hmmmm.... what else?? socks, keys, books.... Friends and I wanted to make a short footbagging movie... but not one demonstrating our gratest tricks (which are'nt all that great compared to most guys on this list) but just plain stupid tricks we made up (they'll be put up on the net soon, I'll keep you all posted), but we will be attempting to play with an egg, a water balloon and ..... (this shoud look pretty cool:) a flaming foot bag! ok that's all from me. Max PS: I'm a french footbagger and I was wondering if any of you were coming to the europeean open in prague mid July this year? If you were hesitating let it be known that a pint of good beer won't cost over a dollar! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 14 23:53:13 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23743 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:53:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web801.mail.yahoo.com (web801.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.61]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA09583 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:27:41 -0800 Received: (qmail 6908 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2001 06:27:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20010314062734.6907.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.36.118.195] by web801.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:27:34 PST Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:27:34 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <003901c0abe5$00335b00$e546ddd5@quarktasche> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > > Just curious, what are some of the cooler footbag > tricks people have done > > with objects other than footbags? I can't believe I forgot about this... Richie Abshire says he hit Barfly, BARFLY with a live rat! James Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 14 23:53:15 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23748 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:53:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from saturn.wwc.edu (IDENT:postfix@saturn.wwc.edu [199.236.178.1]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09806 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:35:13 -0800 Received: from student.wwc (student.wwc [10.82.5.3]) by saturn.wwc.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id A8AEA7001B for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from WWC-Message_Server by student.wwc with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:35:00 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:34:35 -0800 From: "Erik Engeberg" To: Subject: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id WAA21388 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i was doing some pretty cool footbag tricks with devil sticks and the chinese yo-yo. With the devil sticks i can do ripwalk, except set with the hands of course and i can do osises with the devil sticks as well (with my feet). With the chinese yo yo i was doing mirages and spinning mirages with a yo-yo trick in there too. I can also just plain kick the devil stick in between spinning. I was doing consecutive toe stalls with a footbag while spinning the devil sticks as well. One day i'll do 2 bags and devil sticks simultaneously or legovers with the devil sticks with one bag... -EdE- From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 14 23:56:56 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23783 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:56:56 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtp2.mail.iamworld.net (smtp2-out.mail.iamworld.net [204.91.241.117]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02133 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:12:17 -0800 Received: from acsdallas.com ([205.197.220.222]) by smtp2.mail.iamworld.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA6295407 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from jroberts [205.197.220.197] by acsdallas.com [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.0.R) for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:10:10 -0600 Reply-To: From: "James Roberts" To: Subject: Subject: Re: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:11:09 -0600 Message-ID: <006401c0accb$4b218380$c5dcc5cd@jroberts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 205.197.220.197 X-Return-Path: jroberts@acsdallas.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org KeN Somolinos wrote: > Just curious, what are some of the cooler footbag > tricks people have done > with objects other than footbags? While waiting tables in a restaurant with a concrete floor, I dropped a champagne flute and delayed the main part of the glass while the based tapped a couple of light "clinks on the floor. Ta-da! No cracks, no chips. JR DFC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 14 23:56:57 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23788 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:56:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from impax ([207.231.66.40]) by mail.ncwebsurfer.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59712U3000L300S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:16:01 -0800 From: "Joseph Crain" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:49:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200103142051.MAA22540@list.footbag.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi All, With a quarter I managed to hit 25 consecutive kicks, and on another occasion 5 tiltless contacts. But the best is that myself, shred on lon, and a few other friends had a full-hack with a doll which on impact shouts out three cycled messages: "Body Slam!" "Pain is my middle name!" and "Your goin' down!" I may still have some pain in my stomach from the laughing. :) -joe From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 14 23:56:59 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23793 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:56:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA14396 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:06:55 -0800 Received: (qmail 13043 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2001 02:06:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20010315020648.13042.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.195.34] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:06:48 PST Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:06:48 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Windsor Subject: Re: [freestyle] Peeking Anything To: Lon Smith Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <20010308170903.29480.qmail@web5301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Lon Smith wrote: > I have tried and hit: > > Peeking spinning osis > > Wicked Windsor and I even tried double peeking stuff > for a while this one session. Eric is really fast at > it he got me to try peeking spinning stuff. Big Add Chad and I came up with peeking spin. it is really fun. The set is called a sonic set. so a Peeking spinning osis is a sonic osis. As far as the peeking peeking osis there is no name for it. One time I tried a peeking sonic osis. I can never remember to practice those. but today i hit a sonic osis and sonic butterfly. I also hit atomic double leg over, (whats the name for that?) I came really close to inspinning osis to double spinning butterfly and double spinning butterfly to wrecking ball. All the double spinning and sonic stuff is really fun. Eli is playing again and was doing all this rubberman drill stuff. He added to the rubberman by doing three atom smashers in a row in the part where your just suppose to do one. He also hit the regular rubberman drill two different times. So cool. Hey lon or anyone else who can do this. Whats the key to flip side double spinning. It seems so impossible. should i just start spinning without the bag or something? i don't know? Anyway. Later list. -Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 14 23:58:00 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23798 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:58:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19296 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:41:54 -0800 Received: from Default ([24.67.226.156]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010315034141.TJBD25888.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@Default> for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:41:41 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c0ad01$d19eed40$9ce24318@kldt1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Jeff Lopes" To: Subject: [freestyle] Ride to Eugene Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:41:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello friends, My ride has just bailed. I no longer have a ride to Eugene for Matt Bakers Tourney. If anyone from BC or Alberta is going (heck, Im desperate even Washington), please let me know and maybe we could work something out. I live in Kelowna, but I could transfer to another city if needed. Thanks! Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 17 00:31:18 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27865 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:31:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f80.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.80]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30542 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 02:04:06 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 02:03:56 -0800 Received: from 193.229.72.75 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:03:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.229.72.75] From: "Samuli Viitanen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:03:56 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2001 10:03:56.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F8A7920:01C0AD37] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi y'all crazy shredders ATW! A colleague of mine here in Finland has a (I don't know how to exactly describe it) flying object (not an UFO:) that has a rubber plate as a weight at the end and from the middle of the plate comes out a feather. This object is played similar to footbag net, it's sort of like badminton with feet. Directly translated from finnish the object's name is 'feather foot ball', although it's NOT the shape of a ball. More like a badminton ball. I hope you all are understanding what I'm meaning... Anyway, I've tried some tricks with it and have managed to hit some basic tricks like butterfly, pdx mirage, blur and some spins. It's really hard to control it but it helps a lot to develop smoothness and 'cushioning' in stalls. ok. ovar and out. -Samuli Viitanen From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 17 00:31:20 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27870 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:31:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07153 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:28:33 -0800 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:29:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA884783F4@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Bob Riefer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:29:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Just curious, what are some of the cooler footbag tricks >people have done >with objects other than footbags? Back in the day... We used to lose footbags like it was our job. Basically because we couldn't really control the bag all that well. One time while footbagless, we decided to take an old beach towel that we had in our car, rip a piece off of it, and bunch it up (using a rubber band to hold it in place). Suprisingly, we ended up with a footbag sized lil toy that was remarkably fun to kick. I can remember our whole range of "crazy" tricks being hit that night. You know, "jesters", lap stalls, neck stalls into a pushup.. The whole range of stuff we were doing back then. Later on. Bob Riefer Philly Footworks PS- Ernest Crvich (sp?) wrote about the funniest post on this topic that I've ever seen. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 17 00:32:43 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27887 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:32:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f32.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.32]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08090 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:56:43 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:56:06 -0800 Received: from 128.148.109.38 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:56:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.109.38] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "Ken Somolinos" To: foot_bag@yahoo.com, lonamithicus@yahoo.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Peeking Anything Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:56:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2001 16:56:06.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3749830:01C0AD70] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Lon Smith wrote: > > I have tried and hit: > > > > Peeking spinning osis > > > > Wicked Windsor and I even tried double peeking stuff > > for a while this one session Just wanted to say that last summer at the Philly Smurf Kenny was toying around with spinning peeking moves, kinda like a double spin, and then coming back. Can't remember if he hit anything, but I'm sure he's done some cool stuff with it. All this double spin stuff sounds awesome,anybody try double mobius (that would require an awesome name) or spinning scorpion's tail? Cheers, Ken From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 17 00:32:46 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27898 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:32:46 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from foundationcomputing.net (IDENT:root@donorport.org [207.160.174.56]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14700 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:10:24 -0800 Received: from [207.160.174.20] ([207.160.174.20] verified) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3.2) with ESMTP id 453469 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:04:07 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:10:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags From: Derrick Fogle To: Freestyle Listserve Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3AAF0393.A46635A@mindspring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org on 3/13/01 9:37 PM, Ernest Crvich at ecrvich@mindspring.com wrote: > "fish fetishist"...but that would indicate some sort of illicit physical > attraction, so let's just call me a "fish freak". Ernest, you are a true freak of nature. I'm going to start the first "Ernest Freaks" club. Note that we Don't have an "Ernest Fetish"... Anyway, I've done keys (HacKey), the usual birdies, koosh balls, coins, seeds, pinecones, rocks, eggs, lighters, wads of trash, articles of clothing, tape balls (hacky Tack), other sports objects (football, tennis ball, pool ball, and the like), light bulbs, water balloons, etc. Almost anything someone would casually toss to another has been kicked - hey, its just a natural reaction for us, you know! And since my mom owns a bowling alley, there's a good chance I hold the record for consecutive toe delays with a bowling ball. I don't remember the exact number anymore, but it was an amazing rally. I've still got the picture somewhere. I seem to have lost the digitized version somewhere along the line; I'll see if I can re-scan the photo and post it. -Derrick From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 17 00:35:16 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27919 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:35:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web5303.mail.yahoo.com (web5303.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.112]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA15209 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:27:38 -0800 Message-ID: <20010315202730.15163.qmail@web5303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.226.220.253] by web5303.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:27:30 PST Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:27:30 -0800 (PST) From: Lon Smith Subject: Re: [freestyle] Peeking Anything To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <20010315020648.13042.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wicked was asking what the key to learning doubblespinning on your flip side is. Hmmmm tough question I've been practicing this a lot recently and I figured out why it's so impossible. I was trying to get ahead of myself. wait>!!! That is the key Set from left toe kick to left clipper stall. Do the left clipper stall as last second as possible so that it almost rolls off your foot. Really haunch over as you stall it and then burst up with a straght spine as fast as you can(like the guy from Matrix would). It is this standing up straight really fast and leaning into the clipper stall that will make this move possible. Set high spin rythmically(not out of control fast) face a wall use larger heavier bags don't give up it took me about forty tries a few days ago trying to finish up a session and now i can hit it every ten tries. Sloth Out From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 17 00:35:18 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27930 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:35:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web5301.mail.yahoo.com (web5301.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.110]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA15574 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:36:09 -0800 Message-ID: <20010315203602.3919.qmail@web5301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.226.220.253] by web5301.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:36:02 PST Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) From: Lon Smith Subject: Re: [freestyle] tricks with things other than footbags To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <000e01c0ac8a$daba9860$02325555@balle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hi list listening listeners, Wellllll,,, my friend Cody Roberts has done some amazing things with a basket ball. Believe it or not he could hit toe stall freezes on command to and from such moves as refraction butterfly stall clippers and once he even hit a torquescrew. I swear!!! I too remember seeing Genzu hit a doubble around the world with a grapefruit sized boulder in Boulder after the shoot while Tuan was recording at the Boulder symposium. I had a short session with cody once with a nine link metal chain tangled together. Actually chains work well. I'd like to by a chainmail bag. I know a couple years ago someone was selling these and I would pay like 25 dollars or more for one if anyone can inform me of how to get aholld of the guy who creates this awesome product. I've clipper stalled frisbee gold putters from my friend Aubri's putts sometimes succesfully. I've also messed around with shredding without actually touching the ball. You can do this on a trampoline kinda. or you can use a golfball on tennis courts and hit combo's like smear to ripwalk to smear again becasuse there is no distinguishing from a toe move or a clipper move. Lots of fun stuff ShredonLawn (seriously the best surface is a golfcourse green!) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 17 00:35:49 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27942 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:35:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pseudo (c517473-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.20.24.118]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f2G0xwC16702 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:59:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <039901c0adb3$c1c5f0a0$0200a8c0@pseudo> From: "Ryan Mulroney" To: References: <200103152050.MAA25173@list.footbag.org> Subject: [freestyle] new topic Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:55:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List, I have a paper due in my bullshit Landscape Architecure class on what makes a good place to play footbag. Obviously, we were allowed to choose our own topic. I am not talking about indoor shred rooms, more like outdoor places that just feel like a hack circle belongs in them. Perhaps, places you visted in Europe or something where a lot of people stopped and watched. This is kind of random and boring so you should probably reply directly to me. Thanks....ryan mulroney From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Mar 17 00:37:49 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27974 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 00:37:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from infometrics2.infometrics.co.nz (mail.infometrics.co.nz [210.48.109.82]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30883 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:54:11 -0800 Received: by INFOMETRICS2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:53:59 +1300 Message-ID: <11B671CB12E9D111A9DE0000F8E23895286D9F@INFOMETRICS2> From: Floyd Morgan To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] One of a kind shoes Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:53:58 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org About three months ago I found what all freestylers dream of, the perfect shoes. Not Lavers which I agree are the second best for freestyling but these weird moccasin things I found under a bed in a hotel when I went on holiday to Surfers Paradise, Australia. The brand is Free Toze and I have searched the net for hours on end to try and find anybody who sells them, with no luck. Anyway they have broken down the seam once already (one of there few downsides is their strength) and my girlfriend did an amazing fix up but I fear their life is coming to an end. I will try to post a picture of them some time when I get around to it, but for now a description will have to do. They are completley smooth and about half the weight of lavers, light brown with a completley flat slightly darker sole and only six lace holes (really close together) on each foot. When you first look at them the instep doesn't look like it would catch a wet cloth but they definitely do the trick. Ok to the point. If anybody can find me a pair of these shoes (size 9) I will refund them and give them the price of the shoes again in cash, (if it is reasonable of course). I will also pay postage etc. It would probably pay to check if they are the same shoes before buying them, otherwise we would both be pissed off. Would be stoked to find another pair. Cheers Floyd P.S. If these were your shoes in the first place you will have to kill me to get them back From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Mar 18 10:01:33 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30554 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:01:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11832 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:50:52 -0800 Received: from nilenet.com (slip158.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.181]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/12202000-01) with ESMTP id PAA26474 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:50:41 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3AB3DE4A.10A2043C@nilenet.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:59:38 -0700 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Footbag in a TV Commercial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Everyone, My partner Paul Mestas has an account with a "gift shop" called Myxed Up Creations. They're a cool bunch of guys and they've taken a strong enough liking to our bags to include a promotion for them in a commercial that they just filmed on Thursday. We'll be lucky if we get 5 seconds of time, but that's long enough to show one or two moves in slow-mo. They've got shots of Paul hitting Pixie ducking butterfly and me hitting PBS (pixie butterfly swirl) and Entarrage but I have no idea what will make the cut. When we got there to do the shoot, I was once again reminded that most people don't have the slightest *clue* what freestyle is about. The director was asking us if he could do the shots while we were standing on a small wall which was about 2 1/2 feet tall with a top that was 8-9 inches wide and double-pitched to boot! I'm all for challenges, but that was a little much. (Maybe Allan Haggett could have made a go for a leaping torque or something. ;-) Paul also tried a few tricks on top of a rickety table that made everyone extremely nervous. (The director really wanted to get shots from below us). Anyway, we finally settled on kicking on top of a *trash dumpster* that had a piece of particle board on top of it to make a flat kicking surface. The whole time we were shooting, the director kept telling us to "kick closer to the edge" - talk about nerve racking - it's hard to focus on tricks when you're worried for your life! The commercial probably wont air for a few months, but it's supposed to be shown regionally on MTV and VH1. Peace! Daryl Genz Revolution Footbags ( www.revolutionfootbags.com ) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Mar 19 21:00:58 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01095 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:00:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from m2.boston.juno.com (m2.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.65]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10466 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:53:46 -0800 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"/p/rABYu8yiOZlA0h9njJavCLXvI6pHZrR48DI9p9hOr2R9h648j7A=="> Received: (from jmilde@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id FYXVASLY; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:53:14 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:51:41 -0800 Subject: [freestyle] Clipper Help Message-ID: <20010319.235141.-514315.0.Jmilde@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3,8-9 From: Jeff Milde Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm new to the whole footbaging and I'm working on the clipper right now. I can hit it perfect about half the time with my right foot and I'm lucky to actually hit one with my left foot. I'm working on a system to go back and forth between left clipper and right. so far it's: Left Toe Delay -> Right Toe Delay -> Right Clipper -> Right Toe Delay -> Left Toe Delay -> Left Clipper, then from the top... Any suggestions on this? Is there a particular "series" that will help with a drifter or some other 3-add moves? Any comments would help out the new guy a lot! :) Thanks. -Jeff From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 20 21:44:38 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03235 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:44:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from outblaze12.outblaze.com (outblaze12.outblaze.com [209.249.164.196]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA11974 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:53:40 -0800 Received: (qmail 69541 invoked by uid 1001); 21 Mar 2001 00:53:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20010321005300.69540.qmail@linuxmail.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "Gabriel T. Gaudette" To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:52:59 +0800 Subject: [freestyle] heel stalls Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello fellow freestylers, My name is Gabriel Gaudette and i'm from Montreal. I've been shredding for 1 and a half year and I started to go guiltless last week, at last. When i began to play I noticed that almost nobody uses heel stalls (well, at least in montreal and on the few shred videos I saw) and i've been wondering if anybody else tried to bust some heel moves. So far, i bitted and sealed pixie heel stall (on both sides), ducking heel stall and i'm working on miraging heel stall toe set, spinning heel stall and whirling heel stall. Please send me a message if you are a heel freak and like to share your techniques with me. I know by now that litteraly ANYTHING is possible and achievable (i haven't figured out what exactly is a big apple sauce) See you in july for the tournament in Montreal, or else i'll try to come to the Worlds this year! Gabriel From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 20 21:44:37 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03230 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:44:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from balle (nas15-178.vlt.club-internet.fr [195.36.165.178]) by front5.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id AAA05132 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:35:37 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000701c0b196$d1275340$02325555@balle> From: "Maxime Boucoiran" To: References: <200103202050.MAA02445@list.footbag.org> Subject: [freestyle] Re: Clipper Help Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:38:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Any suggestions on > this? Is there a particular "series" that will help with a drifter or > some other 3-add moves? Any comments would help out the new guy a lot! my (2 cent) tip would be to: 1) left clipper > toe > right clipper > toe > left clipper > toe > .... (and so on) 2) left clipper > right clipper > left clipper > right clipper ..... etc..... once you have got 2) down ok, e-mail the list back and they'll have a lot of advice for the drifter I'm sure... Max From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Mar 20 23:53:41 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03369 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:53:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([65.10.4.236]) by femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010321061811.CCDQ19912.femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:18:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3AB83E8A.23EF6AED@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:39:22 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Move list - (was [freestyle] Re: Clipper Help) References: <200103202050.MAA02445@list.footbag.org> <000701c0b196$d1275340$02325555@balle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey. If you want advice on a move, look at the move list. http://www.footbag.org/freestyle/ For the clipper, there are *pages* of advice - http://www.footbag.org/moves/listhints/904102017 Thanks to Steve G, we have this list. Use it. There is a lot of good stuff on footbag.org. -D From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 21 09:03:54 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04093 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:03:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07415 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:13:47 -0800 Received: from nilenet.com (slip155.den.nilenet.net [206.247.97.178]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/12202000-01) with ESMTP id JAA02396; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:13:33 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3AB8D2A6.6E0429E1@nilenet.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:11:18 -0700 From: Daryl Genz Reply-To: genzu@footbag.org Organization: Revolution Footbags X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gabriel T. Gaudette" CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] heel stalls References: <20010321005300.69540.qmail@linuxmail.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Gabriel T. Gaudette" wrote: > spinning heel stall and whirling heel stall. Please send me a message if you are a heel freak and like to share your techniques with me. I know by now that litteraly ANYTHING is possible and achievable (i haven't figured out what exactly is a big apple sauce) Due to a knee injury, my (business) partner Paul has been skooling what he calls "low impact" freestyle which is basically just freestyle w/o all the jumping. That's really gotten him skooling heels... Anyway he's his (low impact aside) pixie ducking paradon ending in heel and *26* leg over heels back to back (got in a groove or something). Genzu From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 21 21:29:01 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05597 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:29:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15409 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:09:44 -0800 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp id 14fovG-0000lf-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:09:34 +0000 Received: from [209.107.90.78] (helo=[209.107.90.78]) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with esmtp id 14fovG-0007kD-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:09:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:54:01 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: [freestyle] Enlightener travelling to Andover, Massachusetts... wanna shred? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi freestylers! I'm going to Andover, Mass. for some work related training and I will be shredding in the evenings while I am there. I have a hotel that should have enough room to shred in, if not we will find a place. Here's the scoop... I am available (evenings-after 6:30 local time) Monday March 26th through Wednesday March 28th, and available until about 1:00 on Thursday if anyone wants to get in a morning shred too (then I have to get to boston to fly home). All at the Ramada Inn-Andover. I hit my first bedwetter yesterday. Yeah. :-) Almost hit fog in several variations too. :-) I'm looking forward to "not shredding alone", but I certainly will be kicking even if no one shreds in that area. Hope to meet some new people! Shred on! See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener (please reply privately, as I am sure the listmaster doesn't want this to clog the system) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Mar 21 21:29:03 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05602 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:29:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21370 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:37:06 -0800 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:44:10 -0500 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA884784A0@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: Bob Riefer To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Penn State Jam Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:44:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All- I've been thinking about Freestyle Jams ever since all the talk about the Colorado Shred Symposium.. Man I wish I could have been there! :-) Anyhow.. The question that pops up in my mind is this: -- All things being roughly equal what makes one freestyle jam rock the house way more than many others? While the location is definitely a factor (Colorado being a place that people would like to visit for example), and accomodations make a difference as well, I think the main thing that makes a jam cool is the players that show up. How many players, which awesome players, which up and coming players, which brand new players, which female players, which green players etc.. But I digress... That said, Kenny and I are going to Penn State for the jam the last weekend of this month. Full details can be found at : http://www.footbag.org/calendar/show/984874006 I was just shredding with Kenny this weekend, and let me tell you... WOW. Plus, the Penn Staters are monsters as well. I imagine some New Yorkers will be in attendance judging from the random and rambling voice message I got from Josh Penny yesterday. Who knows who else? It's almost warm weather again, and time to continue the East Coast momentum that's been building up... Hell, it's time to continue the freestyle momentum that's been building!!! Give a shout out and let us all know you're coming. There's no reason that we can't make this jam a nice big one. Let's get some buzz about these events going! It''s the "buzz" that get's everyone going, and gets everyone mobilized and energized and motivated to travel for the love of freestyle!!! If you're not close enough to go to the Penn State Jam, there's a bunch of others coming up too! Go to Eugene.. Go to San Fran.. Go to Washington City.. Go play!!! Get excited!! Freestyle!!!! Later on. Bob Riefer Philly Footworks PS - MAJOR PROPS TO EVERYONE HOLDING EVENTS!!!!!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 22 08:18:51 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06785 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:18:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 11975 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2001 15:32:13 -0000 Received: from 213-21-64-73.access.surf-callino.de (HELO quarktasche) (213.21.64.73) by mail.gmx.net (mp010-rz3) with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 15:32:13 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c08488$01ecf8e0$494015d5@quarktasche> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: Subject: [freestyle] Czech videos Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:28:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi List, Remember the little kid from Prague I told you about? Now there are some videos of him online, go to Moglum's Footbag Lair (http://hakis.web3.cz), click on "English version", then on "videos" and see this 14 year old busting atom smasher, legbeater, blurriest or pdx barrage! There are also vids of 5 other Czech talents, so czech it out! Have fun! Matthias........... From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 22 10:40:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07198 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:40:34 -0800 Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23781 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:47:21 -0800 Received: from riemann.math.psu.edu (riemann.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.200]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05853 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:35:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (faber@localhost) by riemann.math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25104 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:35:23 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: riemann.math.psu.edu: faber owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:35:22 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Faber To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Penn State Jam In-Reply-To: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA884784A0@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Give a shout out and let us all know you're coming. There's no reason that > we can't make this jam a nice big one. Let's get some buzz about these > events going! It''s the "buzz" that get's everyone going, and gets everyone > mobilized and energized and motivated to travel for the love of freestyle!!! Just a note: I think I'll be there . Oh yeah, Scott and Kaiser mentioned something about being able to make it. Who knows. . . All joking aside, Bob's exactly on target with his email. The reason I like to go to events is because of the people there. This sport is about expression, endurance, huge tricks, etc., but it's still got people in it. This sport has some of the coolest personalities I've ever met, and I'd definitely like to see them come out this way for it. Let me re-iterate: we have enough crash space to accommodate virtually anyone that wants to come (provided the entirety of Rhode Island doesn't decide to start freestyling and show up or something). Just make sure you hit one of the PST members with an email or a phone call so we can get a rough head count in advance. I hope to see you all in about a week and a half. Keep your blades moving, your dexes clean, and your spirits up. Peace. Xander (Integer of PST) faber@math.psu.edu (814)861.6692 From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Mar 22 12:12:09 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lis