From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 4 22:01:03 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12173 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:01:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Matt Cross Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06779 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 00:30:57 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id z.94.124a0f5e (15887) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 03:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web32.aolmail.aol.com (web32.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.8]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.37) with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 03:30:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 03:30:15 EDT Subject: [freestyle] free +postage lavers To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <94.124a0f5e.27f98487@aol.com> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey foot friends, A few members of the footbag community have passed lavers on to me, and I think it's time I send some back. The first styler that responds can have a pair of men's 7 1/2 lavers. They're in broken in, but very shreddable, condition. someone donated them to me for a girl I shred with, but unfortunately, they're too big. Oh well... Who wants them? Also... Anyone driving to worlds from the east coast area? I'll be in Rome, NY in early august, and I can't afford air fare. Thanks. Oh... And does anyone want to pick me up in rochester for east coast championships? Thanks very much... Matt Cross University of Rochester Rochester, NY mc006j@mail.rochester.edu From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 4 22:00:51 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12166 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:00:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web6305.mail.yahoo.com (web6305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.22.142]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04713 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:59:46 -0700 Message-ID: <20010402055939.20763.qmail@web6305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.102.53] by web6305.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 01 Apr 2001 22:59:39 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:59:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Spencer Behm Reply-To: Sacker4life@yahoo.com Subject: [freestyle] Directions for Kick Dixie To: Freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List, Here are the directions for the KICK DIXIE freestyle jam this weekend. Just click here ---> http://members.tripod.com/redlandsart0/ On another note, all who are coming should e-mail me or call me so that I know how much food to buy for the barbecue. Everyone who plays footbag in Utah, Colorado, and Southern California needs to be at this tournament. I also would like to see all the clubs that are in Orem and Salt Lake, UT to come to this jam. There is going to be some serious insane shred SO DON'T MISS IT!!!!! well I guess that is all I have to say. Late, Spencer Behm sacker4life@yahoo.com p.s. everyone who hasn't checked this site out yet needs to...---> http://www.revolutionfootbags.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 4 22:01:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12183 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:01:34 -0700 Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28144 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:57:31 -0700 Received: from hilbert.math.psu.edu (hilbert.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.197]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21343 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (faber@localhost) by hilbert.math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02466 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:57:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hilbert.math.psu.edu: faber owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:57:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Faber To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] PST Obligatory Footbag Forum Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yeah freestylers! This was a weekend to be remembered. The Penn State Trio has just concluded its first footbag gathering, and I think it went off fairly well. The early session on Friday evening with a small contingent of the NYFA crew was the bomb! Saturday morning was another story though. . .Penn State University wasn't any help to us whatsoever in organizing this event. I tried my hardest to work around their system, but they managed to screw us at the last moment. Our original spot to play at on Saturday and Sunday was listed as unused, but when we rolled in at 12:30 Saturday morning, there was a gathering of all of the high school marching band drum-lines in the world (small exaggeration, but there were a ton of them). I know for a fact that virtually every other location on campus suitable for all of us to kick at was reserved, but Kaiser Ahmad pulled off a Herculean effort and found us a spot. Kaiser gets the Super-Propz award for the weekend in my opinion. He took a lot of flak at first for the surface, but I know it was the best we could find. At any rate, the freestyle on Saturday was pretty sickly. I believe there may be another post of some of the stuff hit. It was apparent that everybody's been schooling. The players from Mechanicsburg (Edwin, Pat, and Kirk) are some serious up and comers. . .I've never seen fairy sets like this, and their freestyle showed some nice flow. Rob Riefer and Kenny Shults must be schooling a bunch because I saw Rob hit ripwalk > ducking legover > smear on a dare. Kenny. . .well. . .he was Kenny. Apparently I missed the first appearance of spyro-gyro from him in 6 years, and I saw a run that included two helpings of whirr, another with blurriest > down double > down diver, and some more with gyro barrage (although they were bails. . .he was going for gyro barroque). Ken Somolinos introduced food processor to the Penn State freestyle scene, as well as superfly and a zillion other bad-ass moves that don't get hit here. I guess the Penn State Trio needs to be schooling a bit harder . Saturday evening deserves some mention. Aintno gets many thanks for his help this weekend; I coulnd't have had dinner and a party at my place without him. Pat McNiese, one of the Mechanicsburg shredders, also gets a round of applause for his cullinary abilities. He basically kicked everyone off of the equipment in my kitchen and went to work on the spaghetti dinner. It was a bit unorthodox in the method of serving (you all know what I mean), but I though it was damned good. The freestyle on Sunday morning is second-hand to me (I've seen Scott Bevier's tape of the session; I was still asleep). Scott busted atomic double legover in a session at the HUB, and get this: Ken Somolinos hit flurry > smog > smog. Damn that dude is nasty. There was another session later on during the day, but I had to jet to work. I'll be Kaiser or Ken would be happy to send in some highlights of that time. I'm sure I haven't mentioned about a million of the rough-neck shreds that went on, so I'm inviting everyone in attendance to submit their favorites. As for the turnout, the real thanks should go to all of the players that came to support the Penn State Trio in their first official footbag forum. There were a bunch of circles ranging from novice to pro, and I think we may have influenced most players to push their game to a new level. That's what it's about, right? I had a lot of fun this weekend. I hope everyone else did too. Thanks for coming out, and I hope to see you all at East Coast Championships. Integer, Soze, and Great Scott P.S. So if everyone had a good time, we might be persuaded to have P.S.T. OFF 2 this summer. I'll keep my channels open. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 4 22:01:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12178 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:01:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web11407.mail.yahoo.com (web11407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.237]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA08444 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:53:40 -0700 Message-ID: <20010403165334.10739.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.191.57] by web11407.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:53:34 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] Lon Smith's 1st place shred 45 Boulder, CO To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, Anyone want to see Lon Smith's AMAZING 45 sec shred routine (Symposium 2001)? http://members.nbci.com/shreddined/videos/lonsmith_symp2001_shred45.mpg Later, James Risden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 4 22:00:23 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12161 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:00:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web11401.mail.yahoo.com (web11401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.231]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29828 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:56:03 -0800 Message-ID: <20010401075557.97752.qmail@web11401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.14.88.15] by web11401.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:55:57 PST Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:55:57 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] blurry drifter> bedwetter To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, I finally hit blurry drifter> bedwetter. I've been trying it for over a month and I couldn't hit it till now, so it must be worth posting. http://members.xoom.com/shreddined/videos/james_blurrydrifter_bedwetter.mpg So what's the scoop on quads? I'm skoolin Jani set dreaming of barraging pdx eggbeater and nemesis. :) I SAID DREAMING! Later, James From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 4 22:00:05 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12156 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:00:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from radius.uti.hu (ns.uti.hu [213.163.24.1]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26613 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:27:36 -0800 Received: from [213.163.25.27] (b-dial27.uti.hu [213.163.25.27]) by radius.uti.hu (8.11.2/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2UKRQV00213 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:27:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: Gergo Csallo Subject: [freestyle] Spinning direction To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:43:32 +0200 Lines: 13 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Kaufman Mail Warrior 3,60 Final Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everybody! Long time no post, but the moment of truth has arrived. I started skooling spinning trick - simple ones only :) I have a question though: Which direction is BACK and which is FRONT. I know - or at least i think I know - these directions from clipper set, but how about toe or any other set? Please explain it to me, if possible to my private mail, I dont wanna bomb the list with this. Thanks in advance. Gergo Csallo, rebelkid From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 5 01:52:42 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12559 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 01:52:42 -0700 Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12556 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 01:52:41 -0700 Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10530 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 01:46:08 -0700 Received: from [209.125.90.212] (vpn-24-16-30-197.corp.home.net [24.16.30.197]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA14839 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 01:46:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: Host vpn-24-16-30-197.corp.home.net [24.16.30.197] claimed to be [209.125.90.212] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@209.125.90.21 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 01:45:59 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] New judging system at Worlds? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This message is for people who compete or plan to compete at the World Footbag Championships. Others are welcome to read it, but it includes a poll for which I'd like to get responses only from people who actually compete. How would freestyle competitors feel about trying out a new judging system at this year's World Championships? Imagine a system that was really easy to implement, that didn't involve making every player judge, that didn't require thirty minutes just to get all the judging assignments made for each pool, that didn't require a mandatory judging clinic, and where the results would be available instantly because there was no complex data entry problem. I just created a poll to ask this question (and it gives a little more detail about what exactly I'm asking for feedback on). Please take a minute *only if you care* about freestyle competition at Worlds, and vote. Please click (or double-click, or copy and paste into your browser) this link and read the information, and then cast your vote. This is an informal poll. http://www.footbag.org/poll/conduct/986459157 Thanks. Steve P.S. I'll summarize results at the end of the week, so please vote right away if you care. This is not an official poll, so the results will not necessarily lead to an immediate decision. I just want to test the waters before we begin a more detailed dialog on this topic. Thanks again. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 5 21:52:06 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14952 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:52:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f7.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.7]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32237 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:41:07 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:40:31 -0700 Received: from 128.148.191.142 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Apr 2001 04:40:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.191.142] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "Ken Somolinos" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] PST OFF impressions/mini-novella Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:40:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2001 04:40:31.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[B647B690:01C0BE53] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi stylers! What follows is an account of the excellent time I had at this weekend's PSTOFF event at Penn state. There's some freestyle discussion, but I mostly just wanted to paint a picture of what a footbag tournament/event is like, with the hope that it'll motivate some player to get out to one. Sorry this is so late, Brown happens. That said, hope anybody who reads on is entertained. First off, big props to Alex Faber and Kaiser Ahmad of the Penn State Trio for hosting an event. This sport needs more organizers to keep it growing. Not everybody is willing to find freestyle space and play host to a horde of sweaty footbaggers for an entire weekend. I got into the State Penn on Friday night with Aintno and Stan (getting to tournies is easier if you find rides). One of the best parts of footbag events is seeing old friends and making new ones, and after a warm welcome from the PST and some NYFA guys already there, we soon moved to a nice squash court for the first session of the weekend. This was one of my favorite sessions of the weekend. The first session at any tournament is exciting because you get to see how much better everybody you met in the past got, and you get to see new players bust out for the first time. The courts were a great surface, and the PST made the most of it. Scott Bevier was just going nuts with pixie, atomic, and stepping moves on both sides within the same strings. Alex Faber also made tons of progress since I last saw him (Philly SMURF), with lots of other creative tricks on both sides. He hit Ikon (inspinning merkon) within 15 minutes of seeing me hit it-freaking fast learner. Amos, Stan, Aintno and joined in and shredded the dullness out of our car legs. After the session we spent the rest of the night eating, drinking, playing pool and playing chess. Props to Kaiser for getting us a free pool table for the night. Now for some bragging. I went undefeated in Chess the entire weekend! We all went to bed relatively early in anticipation of the next day's marathon session. I started off Saturday by getting brunch with Stan Sagalovsky and Aintno, and then going to an arcade to digest and kill aliens/beat up robots. When we got to the site, we found the floor to be rather dusty, but everybody managed ok with some sweeping and slipping. It was great to see Bob Riefer, Dave Sanchez, and Kenny Shults again, as well as the Mechanicsburg crew. It's easy to see the improvement of everybody from tournament to tournament, which just gets me psyched to go to my next one to see what ridiculousness people will be doing by then. Bob was going stylee with ducks, dives, and smooth, nearly guiltless play. He almost made me want to try out "the patch" to see if it would inmprove my own style. Kirk and Edwin from Mechanicsburg were hitting some tight moves like Ferocious, but I didn't get to play that much with Pat McNiese cause he was filming a lot. I had to settle with being impressed with his mad culinary skills Saturday night at the players party, but I'll get to that in a minute (in Chapter 6 of this epic e-mail). Kenny Shults was hella fun to play with as always. Combos like vortex to mobius, bails like gyro barrage (while trying gyro barroque), and moves like blurry blender, gyro symposium blur, and barroque just inspired everybody to step it up. He also hit Blurriest to scorpion's tail, and his first spyro gyro in 6 years on his first try. He also hit the sauce in front of my eyes, but I have no idea if it was good or not, cause that move is just confusing. I think one of the mechanicsburg guys caught it, instant replay guys? Scott Bevier=scary. Scott laid down some impressive combos all weekend long. Pixies, atomics, and blurry sets both sides in the same run, seamlessly woven together in nice, genzian strings scored constant props from me. I saw him hit two atomic dlos, which tied with Kenny's spyro gyro for the best move I saw all weekend. Guys like him and Yacine make me feel so very, very old. : D Speaking of fast learners, Alex's girlfriend Leslie was hitting legovers, mirages, and atws on both sides after... 3 weeks of playing? WTH? If she sticks with the sport, she'll be a force to be reckoned with real soon. Alex Faber managed to hit bubba eggs both sides, inspins and lots of other cool stuff while still having time to put together a great players party Saturday night. He also wins the award for best line of the weekend when he and Amos Schumacher were playing in a circle, and Alex said: "dude, we're in a two man circle and you still managed to skip my turn!" The players party Saturday was lots of fun. Everybody partook in a big pasta dinner, and watched movies like 4 rooms, Return of the Dragon and some shred videos. There was chess, card games, and a lot of hanging out. Props to Alex for letting us use his house, props to Aintno and Alex for buying food and beverage, and props to Pat for cooking it all up in a tasty manner. Good God this is getting long...OK. Sunday morning Stan, Scott, Kenny and myself got up for a sore, and ridiculously early session. Thank you daylight savings. We mostly hit some silly stuff, but the session was lots of fun, and we all warmed up pretty quick, while getting tired pretty quickly too. In conclusion, the shred was excellent throughout the weekend, with several different players executing difficult concepts like double spins, in-spins, and flip-sided combos. The shred was only surpassed by the hanging out, which included free pool, chess, watching movies, playing arcade games, and a great players party on Saturday. There was a real relaxed atmosphere throughout the weekend, and i think the high level of play combined with the non-existent level of stress helped most people play at the top of their game and have a great time. Speaking for myself, I hadn't played this well or had this much fun since the Philly Open or last year's Windchill. Mad props to the PST for the tournament. It was great seeing everybody again, hopefully I'll see you at East Coast! Verbosely, Ken "CF" Somolinos PS-No, I did not get paid by the word to write this. Congrats if you made it this far. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Apr 6 21:58:14 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17389 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 21:58:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f From: Andrew Johnson Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13029 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:14:23 -0700 Received: from Spyrosis1@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id z.102.165aad7 (3735) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 21:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <102.165aad7.27ffc3c6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 21:13:42 EDT Subject: [freestyle] reverse whirl and spyro ducking To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 130 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey freestylers! I guess I should introduce myself first. My name is Andrew Johnson, I'm 14, and I've been freestyling for about 2 years. I live in Seattle and went to the Eugene tournament last month and have been skooling hard and hitting a bunch of new tricks since then. I've been trying a whole bunch of reverse whirl tricks, mainly because reverse whirl is a lot easier than regular whirl for me. I managed to hit PS reverse whirl, spyro reverse whirl, spinning reverse whirl, and ducking PS reverse whirl (my first 6 add). Has anyone else out there has hit these or does anyone do reverse whirl tricks at all? I'd love to hear what peope have hit. I've also been skooling spyro ducking moves, but have only managed to hit spyro ducking clipper a few times. I'd really appreciate any help from people who do spyro or gyro ducking tricks. I'd also appreciate advice on bad side spyro and gyro stuff, I can't seem to get the set right. Thanx for the help/comments! See ya'll at Westerns and Worlds! -Andrew Johnson From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Apr 6 23:44:22 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17534 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:44:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26149 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 23:32:51 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) id <0GBE0A301SUA2W@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:32:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0GBE0A0Q5SUAOR@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:32:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 00:23:09 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse whirl and spyro ducking To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <3AAC952F@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I've been trying a whole bunch of reverse whirl tricks, mainly because >reverse whirl is a lot easier than regular whirl for me. I managed to hit PS >reverse whirl, spyro reverse whirl, spinning reverse whirl, and ducking PS >reverse whirl (my first 6 add). Those are some REALLY great moves. It's so awesome to hear new shredders (and young ones) hitting these kinds of moves. There's only one problem. There is no such thing as PS Reverse Whirl or even P Reverse Whirl. I hate to bring up the old boring debate, but it's a problem if people are refering to an op reverse whirl as Paradox. There just isn't a paradox involved. I think it's possible for an op reverse whirl to be symposium, but not paradox. I haven't checked the move list in a while, but I thought the mistake of Pdx Reverse Whirl was removed. Again, the moves are Awesome, just not paradox. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 8 13:15:21 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20815 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 13:15:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web3707.mail.yahoo.com (web3707.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.136]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA28373 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:43:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20010408184328.7660.qmail@web3707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.6.7.252] by web3707.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:43:28 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:43:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Toby Robinson Subject: [freestyle] Didge routine To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was wondering if anyone has 1997 worlds footage of Peter's finals routine. The one that I played didgeridoo to. I would love to have a copy of this routine and im sure pete would like a copy. This was one of the highlights of my freestyle experience even though it didn't envolve me hitting tricks. I think live music needs to be explored more in routines and if any one has any ideas let me know. I would love to play live music to live shreders. I encourage musicians to bring instruments to events, atleast so we can jam at the parties. I would also like to see some sort of underground 4 square comp. at the next tournament. Along with lavers and hacks we should all be carying chalk in our bags. Wicked nice job on the cards. toby1 From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 8 23:45:04 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21899 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 23:45:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [216.86.64.33]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA05332 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 07:17:30 -0700 Received: from provide.net (IDENT:homeslice@usr14-052.provide.net [216.86.71.180]) by dns1.provide.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f37EH1S15187; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 10:17:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Filter: check_local@dns1.provide.net by digitalanswers.org Message-ID: <3ACF2309.9123EC4B@provide.net> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 10:23:47 -0400 From: Matt Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Kaplan CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse whirl and spyro ducking References: <3AAC952F@webmail.mscd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Kaplan wrote: > Those are some REALLY great moves. It's so awesome to hear new shredders >(and young ones) hitting these kinds of moves. Word. > There's only one problem. There is no such thing as PS Reverse Whirl or >even P Reverse Whirl. I hate to bring up the old boring debate, but it's a Let me take a different tack in this case and agree with Brad. Fresh and Cool though it is, op RWs shouldn't be paradox based on the definition of paradox on footbag.org, even though they are harder than regular RWs generally. That said, rather than a debate about paradox we ought to have a discussion of all the cool things that can be done with op RW like symposium ... > isn't a paradox involved. I think it's possible for an op reverse whirl to be > symposium In addition, I also don't see why not either, too. matt craig --- [Ed. Note: Matt, if you don't fix your Netscape mail settings so that the from line includes your full name, your posts will no longer go through. -Steve] From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 8 23:45:06 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21907 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 23:45:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f138.hotmail.com [216.32.181.138]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03722 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:50:53 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:38:53 -0700 Received: from 24.71.196.19 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Apr 2001 03:38:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.71.196.19] From: "Adam Remenda" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] new to the sport Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 21:38:52 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2001 03:38:53.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E9155F0:01C0BFDD] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey my name is Adam, and I just got into freestyle about 2 weeks ago. I have just seen some pro vids and it inspired me to start. I have seen what they can do and it is impressive, i started 2 weeks ago and i am wondering where i should be in amount of moves. here is what i can do... Around the world (both sides) Mirage (both sides) butterfly legover (both sides) pixie (both sides) pickup (both sides) illusion dimwalk pixie legover double around the world wolverine almost a smear (on foot) I'm not trying to brag, but i need a pros opinion on how im progressing. Thanks, Adam P.S. Does anyone know when the new millenium Rod Lavers are coming to Canada. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 12 14:25:59 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30938 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:25:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:25:59 -0700 From: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Message-Id: <200104122125.OAA30938@list.footbag.org> X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25408 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:47:30 -0700 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29049 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:40:38 -0700 Received: from storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.35]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 5891F2D334 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id IAA13280; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:40:30 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQP5YqiW6mHOENP8fLzWOzBTxqCqwIUJDnQqnWpWYltTQwyWfoYTKdrzz8= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:40:30 -0400 (EDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] 6 ADDS Message-ID: <22841-3AD3296E-787@storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Anybody got any ideas on an "easy" 6 for me to do? Thanks, GF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 12 14:26:23 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30948 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:26:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26239 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:16:27 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f121.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.121]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19004 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:09:34 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:08:58 -0700 Received: from 216.209.182.161 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:08:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.209.182.161] From: "Kyle Running" To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: hackysac17@hotmail.com Subject: [freestyle] music Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:08:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2001 00:08:58.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AD48B60:01C0C21B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all freestylers. I've been freestyling now for 11 months and I love it. I still cant link many moves in a row but I'm working on it all. I pulled a paradon yesterday for the first time. It's sweet. I never tried it before. Its easier than I thought but still hard. Anyways I was just downloading videos and I was wondering the title and the artist of the song that goes..(I'm not quite sure) but something like... "... the basher on the 45." then it goes like... "da da da the boogie da da." I dont really understand but I think its a cool song. Can anyone help me? Thanks. Kyle Running _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 12 14:27:13 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30961 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:27:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26354 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:12:45 -0700 Received: from pilot13.cl.msu.edu (pilot13.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.33]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27420 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:05:51 -0700 Received: (from keithada@localhost) by pilot13.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3B35j959150 for "freestyle@footbag.org"; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:05:45 -0400 Message-Id: <200104110305.f3B35j959150@pilot13.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [freestyle] Heel question To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:05:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Adam J Keith" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org First of all I hit a flapper delay blender a few times this week, has anyone else hit this? If not, I think it should be called Soledier. I railed this one off for Greg Nelson about a week ago. Also, if I catch a heel delay in front of my body and do a hop over is that a move with a heel delay followed by a hop over, or is it a heel move to a hop over heel (3 adds)? Happy shredding, Adam Keith From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 12 15:23:59 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31183 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:23:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25408 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:47:30 -0700 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29049 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:40:38 -0700 Received: from storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.35]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 5891F2D334 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id IAA13280; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:40:30 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQP5YqiW6mHOENP8fLzWOzBTxqCqwIUJDnQqnWpWYltTQwyWfoYTKdrzz8= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:40:30 -0400 (EDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] 6 ADDS Message-ID: <22841-3AD3296E-787@storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Anybody got any ideas on an "easy" 6 for me to do? Thanks, GF From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Apr 13 09:17:30 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA32414 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:17:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31900 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:53:22 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f53.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.53]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16047 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:46:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:45:44 -0700 Received: from 211.216.216.31 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:45:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.216.216.31] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Elastic Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:45:44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2001 08:45:44.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[210041D0:01C0C3F6] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This may be of no particular interrest to anyone but those who create their own shoes (me). I use an especially thin mesh for the covering of my toes, the down side being it doesn't want to stay flat. Thanks to fresh supplies flown in by my visiting brother and father I was finally able to get ahold of some elastic, and I found that ancoring the sides of the toe down not only does the trick keeping the toe mesh flat, it also helps the shoe generally fit better, and there for makes it more responsive. Just a simple idea, hope it helps someone. -Andrew _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Apr 15 02:13:12 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02601 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 02:13:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail12.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24977 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:09:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 70182 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2001 22:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dell) ([64.81.78.2]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Apr 2001 22:09:57 -0000 From: "Eric Wulff" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] 2001 WFC Freestyle News Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:06:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi funky freestylers around the world... This e-mail is to inform you that the planning and organizing of the World Footbag Championships is well under way here in the San Francisco Bay Area. I am producing the freestyle event with the help of staff... Carol Wedemeyer, Tu Vu, Sunil Jani and Ahren German among others. This e-mail is the first in a series of updates regarding the freestyle event. The purpose is to keep you informed and hopefully excite you further about the event. Thursday 4/5 BAFL signed a contract for a Finals Freestyle site. The finals will take place in a theater South of Market Street San Francisco... Theater Artaud. If you're interested, check out their web site... http://www.theaterartaud.org/ They are a perfect fit for our freestyle culture. Freestyle will be a bit different that in past years. But don't worry, it will be at least as much fun if not more. 1. The finals show will be a production. I am producing the show under the *professional* consultation of the Theater's Production MGR and Tech Director. The people of this theater are enthusiastic about our event and want to help us bring it to a new level of presentation. The first 2 rounds will be in an excellent setting also. These 1st 2 rounds will run as serious competitions just as always. They will also serve rehearsals for the Final's production. 2. Our plans for the show include having it hosted. Not just a man on the microphone but a real host/MC. The MC will be a pro talent ready to fill the gaps between freestylers. The plan is to have someone special to the freestyle community serve in this capacity. I've got a plan and person in mind and will announce what and who this is as details become available. 3. Plans are in the process to have scores posted on the fly as the competition is happening. Announced and displayed on a scoreboard. 4. Some local footbag folks have invested a significant amount of their own money to start this project. Tickets will be sold for this show. People will be paying to see the freestylers who make it to finals and possibly semi finals also. The theater is relatively small but larger than many in the past. It's relative atmosphere is to Vancouver 1st 2 rounds or Chicago finals or Montreal. The theater seats about 400 people and it will be SOLD OUT on finals night. SOLD OUT. 5. There will be more than 4 shred finalists on finals night and there may be another big trick event. Announcements regarding in the coming months. 6. As of today there are NO plans to change the scoring system. It shall be the same as always. If I think a change to the scoring system may be appropriate or necessary announcements will be made and input from the freestyle community will be solicited before a decision is made. 7. Footbag players who have entered the WFC, net or freestyle, should not have to pay to see freestyle's productions. Up to 200 tournament entrants will receive complementary access to the theater on show night/nights. This # is somewhat flexible and will be adjusted if needed AND possible. Outside of the players, we really need the support of the footbag community. Please encourage outside friends, family etc. to purchase tickets. Again, we're putting countless volunteer hours and our own hard earned money into this production. It will be unlike any freestyle show yet produced. We ask for your support. For those NOT paying to enter the World Footbag Championships 2001 AND want to attend the freestyle show... Please buy tickets. TICKETS ARE NOT YET AVAILABLE AND WON'T BE FOR SOME TIME. DETAILS REGARDING, INCLUDING PRICING, WILL BE ANNOUNCED IN THE COMING MONTHS. Okay, that's it for now. Thanks for reading all this crap :-) I hope you're excited. I am. Practice your Routines, Big Tricks and Shreds. Get some cool freestyle wardrobes ready... 3 months and 29 days till 2001 World Footbag Championships Freestylers hit the stage! Please direct any questions regarding issues mentioned above to me personally unless you REALLY feel they have relevance on the list. I will respond when I can. Eric Wulff 2001 World Footbag Championships staff... Freestyle Producer From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 16 14:58:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05258 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:58:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00861 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:54:32 -0700 Received: from web4405.mail.yahoo.com (web4405.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.35]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19095 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:47:28 -0700 Message-ID: <20010414024722.23796.qmail@web4405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.201.215.231] by web4405.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:47:22 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:47:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Caleb Abraham Subject: [freestyle] competitions To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello, i am a new freestyle kicker and i would like to go to some comps, but before i do i need to know a few things: 1. How are the competitions judged? 2. How many runs are there? like if you screw up do you get another chance? 3. How good are the novice and intermediate leagues? P.S.: i think i may have already sent this message but i wasn't sure if i did it right. so i'm sorry if you get 2 of the same. ===== Your Friend, Caleb Abraham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 16 14:57:35 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05253 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:57:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00402 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:26:31 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f214.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.214]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09271 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:19:28 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:19:13 -0700 Received: from 216.34.56.12 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:19:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.34.56.12] From: "Simon Hughes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] rod lavers Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:19:12 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2001 22:19:13.0066 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4E918A0:01C0C467] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello freestylers I was wondering if someone might be able to help me out. Does anyone know how i would be able to get rod lavers to christchurch New Zealand?-(they are not avalible over here).without using credit card,using some other method: telegraphic transfer method or something like that.I want those shoes! :) thanks Simon Hughes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 16 14:59:52 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05275 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:59:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04037 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:00:08 -0700 Received: from web1702.mail.yahoo.com (web1702.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.213]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA12065 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:52:57 -0700 Message-ID: <20010416015251.13753.qmail@web1702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.20.132.59] by web1702.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:52:51 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:52:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Shaun Marques Subject: [freestyle] Atomic To: Shred MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, I know that the lists are in a tiff, but thank heaven Steve found some faithful shredders to take on the responsibility of keeping the website alive. And to my question (since the subject's aptly named Atomic): has anyone hit Atomic Butterfly Swirl, or Atomic Whirling Swirl? I've been thinking about hitting the first one (and calling it Monarch.. ya' know, like a monarch butterfly); as for the second one, my Whirling Swirl's rather weak, so I can't necessarily shoot for it. Also, can we see Atomic Whirl make it to the freestyle list.. just for kicks even? (pun intended). Shred on. Piece, Shaun M. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 16 15:00:31 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05288 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:00:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04370 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:28:08 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f31.hotmail.com [216.32.181.31]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19661 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:20:57 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:20:14 -0700 Received: from 129.93.1.53 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:20:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.1.53] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] new set? Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:20:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2001 05:20:14.0557 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAC238D0:01C0C634] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I don't think this is a new concept at all, but I am working the atomic spinning set and have hit a couple variations of it. I don't think it has an official name, but it goes as follows: start with a toe and perform a regular atomic set, then spin in the direction of the set foot and do whatever floats your boat after that. For example, I've been hitting this, atomic set from a right toe, spin to the right and basically end with a gyro mirage. Another one starts with the same atomic set, spin the same direction, but end in a butterfly. So there's definitely a gyro feel to this set. If there is a name for this set, would someone please tell me what it is, otherwise I would like to give it a name. Is anyone else working on this? Thanks Brian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 16 15:01:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05301 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:01:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03285 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:52:05 -0700 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24406 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:44:55 -0700 Received: from storefull-611.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-611.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.138]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 47ACB43B for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-611.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id JAA12633; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:44:49 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAx/Am46J6Kdz4chuk5/pD632zkPgCFQCy7YfSXIGFwwqa6G5FZsfTh4MuHw== From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:44:48 -0400 (EDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] First 6 Message-ID: <21467-3AD9D000-1841@storefull-611.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey freestyle people, Thanks to everybody for all the great ideas. I hit my first 6 yesterday! A spinning paradox blender. I hope it isn't another 17 years until I hit another. I also sealed paradox torque>paradox blender. Hey Torch, how's your mom? Tell me again how that goes. Have you done her symposium style yet? Hacky Sack is fun. GF Smoothie From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 17 06:32:07 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA06573 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:32:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05958 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:56:47 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01776 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:49:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA45724 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:49:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunil Subhash Jani To: freestyle list Subject: [freestyle] Shred Session... Original Recipe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What up Shredders? I just wanted to chime in with my thoughts on Damon's new video game. This game is AWESOME!!! It is a very good thing for the sport... and fun for shredders of all ages. My labmate saw me playing (he knows all about freestyle but does not shred)... and decided to give it a try. He now knows the names of most of the moves on the game... that is so cool. I really can not think of another way for nonplayers to get this motivated to learn more about footbag tricks. Great work, Damon and everyone else who had a part in producing this game. Sunil P.S. For those who haven't checked it out yet, I recommend you visit www.blurryworld.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 17 13:05:20 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06928 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:05:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06877 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:19:19 -0700 Received: from web11607.mail.yahoo.com (web11607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.59]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA28569 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:12:02 -0700 Message-ID: <20010417191156.14925.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.128.119.240] by web11607.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:11:56 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:11:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Zohar Piltz Reply-To: zohar@zoharpro.com Subject: [freestyle] Planet X Party To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shredders, I'm just writing to invite anyone from San Diego over to my house for a viewing party of Planet X. The long-awaited Pro Footbag segment is airing this weekend, so if you're in the area, please stop by. RSVP When: Saturday, 4/21 4:30pm. I recommmend you come a little early. Where: Mission Beach, 732 1/2 Jamaica Court. Call for directions: 858-488-2133. Again, I recommend you come early, so you can get a seat- we are expecting a completely packed house: shredders, skaters, friends, and family. We are stoked. See you there. Eli Piltz ZoharPro.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 18 14:11:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08475 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:11:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06963 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:31:33 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f3.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32166 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:24:16 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:11:58 -0700 Received: from 130.212.14.54 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:11:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [130.212.14.54] From: "Tu Vu" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New Shred Video Game Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:11:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2001 20:11:58.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[A81E00D0:01C0C77A] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello obsessive maniacs, The original recipie game is genius!!!!! Tombstone has never been so EASY!! Cheers to Damon and the rest of the crew who had a part in that game. Great way to slack in front of a computer. Flat foot out _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 18 14:12:07 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08486 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:12:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07401 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:12:10 -0700 Received: from web4402.mail.yahoo.com (web4402.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.32]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA10770 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:04:52 -0700 Message-ID: <20010418020446.649.qmail@web4402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.201.213.185] by web4402.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:04:46 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:04:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Caleb Abraham Subject: [freestyle] funky music To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org my first jam was a couple weeks ago at PSU and ever since then, one question has racked my brain: where do you guys get that funky, dance party-techno kinda music??? haha. that's stuff's awesome for freestyle. i dunno why but it made my runs way better. so someone just gimme a name or something to help me out, PEEEEEES!!! thakns fellas. ===== Kicks are for Kids Footbag Club Shred On, Caleb Abraham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Apr 18 15:28:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08567 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:28:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07524 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:35:32 -0700 Received: from web11601.mail.yahoo.com (web11601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.53]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17108 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:28:13 -0700 Message-ID: <20010418042808.74304.qmail@web11601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.194.197] by web11601.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:28:08 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Zohar Piltz Reply-To: zohar@zoharpro.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] Planet X Party To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <20010417232601.19265.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, just have a little more info for you- Planet X airs on NESN (New England Sports Network) Saturdays and Mondays at 1:30pm Pacific time. NESN is picked up by DirecTV and Dish Network. I advise you go to a popular sports bar and ask to put it on the biggest screen. I forgot to mention before that you can check out http://www.PlanetXtv.com for a list of networks they air to. Later, Eli __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 19 08:00:40 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09944 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:00:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09304 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:13:31 -0700 Received: from infometrics2.infometrics.co.nz (mail.infometrics.co.nz [210.48.109.82]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02481 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:06:07 -0700 Received: by INFOMETRICS2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:06:24 +1200 Message-ID: <11B671CB12E9D111A9DE0000F8E23895286DDC@INFOMETRICS2> From: Floyd Morgan To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Streetstyle moves Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:06:22 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just thought it would be interesting to hear about any oldschool things that people either have hit or are trying to hit. You know handstand stalls and the like anyway heres my 2 cents 1] Thread the needle - Basically a hopover but your opposite arm holds the delay foot 2] Reverse Thread the needle (Unthread the needle)- Same thing jumping through backwards 3]Thread the needle swirl - hop over swirl holding the delay foot (may dislocate shoulder) 4]??? - A thread the needle holding the delay foot with the same hand Eg. Right hand holds right foot (Very Hard) 5] Diving reverse eclipse - Basically a diving osis, but you hop over the osis backwards to end in an inside delay 6] Spinning reverse eclipse - Same as 5 but you spin into it instead of diving into it. By the way I have only hit 1,2,5 and 6 and I don't know if they have already been hit and named, if names are wrong apologies to the creators. Floyd Morgan fmorgan@infometrics.co.nz From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 19 08:02:52 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09975 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:02:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09369 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:03:00 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f25.hotmail.com [216.32.181.25]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03793 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:55:38 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:43:10 -0700 Received: from 129.93.1.53 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 04:43:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.1.53] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Zohar Productions Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:43:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 04:43:10.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C14F670:01C0C88B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Props to Eli and the San Diego posse on the Zohar website. I was showing it to a skater friend of mine and she said it was better than most skating sites out there. You guys are doing great things for the sport. Keep up the good work! Footbag has come a long way in the last two years. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 19 08:09:16 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09993 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:09:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09962 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:02:38 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20148 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:55:14 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) id <0GC108V01O3RTG@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0GC108V4LO3RNE@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:45:19 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] New Shred Video Game To: freestyle Message-id: <3ADB43AD@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tu said: >The original recipie game is genius!!!!! >Tombstone has never been so EASY!! NO JOKE!!! I love that game. I told my little brother (13) about it, and right after he tried it he sent out an "instant message" to every kid in his school. All of his friends are playing it and they're competing with eachother. He said he even made it to #1 on the main list for one day. I myself can't get enough of the game. I never thought I'd get to say this... I hit four back to back mobius', to jani walker, to blurriest, to fog. And in real life I'm still lame. Damon and friends, I salute you. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Apr 19 08:39:40 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10034 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:39:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10003 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:14:08 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20740 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:06:44 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) id <0GC108X01ON333@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0GC108W8KON3LK@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:56:55 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Streetstyle moves To: freestyle Message-id: <3ADB4477@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Floyd Morgan ===== >Just thought it would be interesting to hear about any oldschool things that >people either have hit or are trying to hit. You know handstand stalls and >the like The other day I was on Campus and saw a "hack" circle. I'm a bit injured so I decided I couldn't freestyle, but I join in the old favorite of "hacky sack". In the circle was a guy with no real notable skill other than that he was a good kicker. Then at some point he stalled the bag inbetween his feet and jumped up. I thought he was just trying to get it out from between his feet, but to my astonishment he landed a perfect BACKFLIP and the bag went smoothly on to the next player. Now I've played "hack" for 15 years and freestyle for 5, and while I've heard people talk about it, I had never seen a backflip in a circle. I may be able to get my legs around the bag 3 times and catch it in the crack of my @$$, but this guy's backflip was the coolest move I've ever seen. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Apr 20 07:23:16 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11591 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:23:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10466 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:22:46 -0700 Received: from 0017407414 (sdn-ar-003nynyorP300.dialsprint.net [168.191.122.166]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA18009 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002101c0c926$55bc06e0$a67abfa8@0017407414> Reply-To: "Josh Penney" From: "Josh Penney" To: References: <200104191950.MAA10248@list.footbag.org> Subject: RE: [freestyle] Streetstyle moves Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:13:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Some of what follows are "oldskool", some are "newerskool" and some are totally weirdo. Floyd wrote: >> Just thought it would be interesting to hear about any oldschool things that >> people either have hit or are trying to hit. Floyd, I've hit your spinning reverse eclipse and reverse eclipse itself (neither recently), and believe me that it's much, much harder without the spin. Be careful. Recently I'm working on the smackin' double whammy, but last fall was all about the behind-the-back-no-smack-double whammy; Vince's idea. Maybe this year I'll go for consecs. Brad concluded: > @$$, but this guy's backflip was the coolest move I've ever seen. Brad, my brother, I have SEEN the glory of the backflip. We've had two guys come through our circles that could do it. The prime-oneer was a giant, white bald madman named Winston; a legendary sort who made Jeff Johnson look like Captain Kangaroo. He'd backflip it up as you saw, but catch that sucker on his huge forehead. The other superslick move he used to do, we called "snatchin," a name which did the move no justice. He would (don't ask me how) catch a crossbody squeeze, jump into a cartwheel, throwing the bag up. On the way down he = no joke = jumped into a huge roundhouse kick, smacking the bag with his outside, jamming the bag right into the chest of the person next to him in the circle. Winston could bodyroll from one shoulder to the other, chest or back, catapulting the bag seven or eight feet up. Josh from New Zealand was into the consecutive behind-the-head shoulder stalls, a lunatic named Rum was into the "4 point head stall" where he would go forehead, temple, back of his head, other temple and pass with a wave of his head. Will Ackerman was doing some awesome pendulum/front handspring passing action recently, and if I recall properly there was a guy at WFC2000 who was rockin that same McNeuver, but he kept the thing going!! Can you say, "first four bars of Frankenstein"? I have seen a handplant/solestall, midway through an 'inverted split' kind of breakdancing move, by our second backflipping dude, a tumbler by the name of Pete. He never get out of that; nevertheless it was awesome to see him go for it. I'm sure I could think of more given time. Somebody ask me again in a few months. Pass the bag; JP From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Apr 20 12:53:07 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11914 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:53:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11827 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:29:40 -0700 Received: from web11602.mail.yahoo.com (web11602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.54]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA14441 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:22:12 -0700 Message-ID: <20010420182207.11484.qmail@web11602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.199.23] by web11602.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:22:07 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:22:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Zohar Piltz Reply-To: zohar@zoharpro.com Subject: [freestyle] ZoharPro- announcing & article submission To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear footbag users and abusers, I might as well take this opportunity to announce my website to you all, and to call for article submissions: http://www.ZoharPro.com I've started a company called Zohar Productions, which will greatly serve the footbag community. It's basically a one-man operation- me, though I couldn't have got my website running without help from Damon Matthews and Steve Goldberg (THANKS!). I've been updating my site like crazy; getting shredder profiles, video clips, events listings, photos, and more up there. My site is just about fully set up now. I just added an events listing that you all MUST CHECK OUT! I have a bunch of skateboard events and general action sports events listed, as well as footbag, of course. It's pretty much all inclusive- if there is a dope event (IMO) happening somewhere in the world, you will find it in my events section. I would like to invite everyone to SUBMIT ARTICLES to my website. This will be an ongoing thing. I am accepting submissions on many subjects, in many categories. For the articles section of my site, I am looking for just about anything that's cool: tournament reviews, an expose on your local scene/talent, travels/tours, misc ideas about freestyle, history of the sport, and more. A submission is not guaranteed to be accepted; don't be offended if your submission is not published. Good grammar is appreciated. I am also building a "SHRED 101" area for players to learn to shred. Submissions for this area will be under intense scrutiny, so again don't be offended if your submission is not published. I do reserve the right to edit content for any reason. Your submissions can be opionated, and you don't have to be completely quick and to the point. Again, good grammar is appreciated. For an idea of what I am looking for, visit my website at ZoharPro.com- I recommend you start by looking in the "KNOWLEDGE" section, which is kind of an index. Thank you all very much. If anyone has comments on my site, please let me know. http://www.ZoharPro.com/ Eli Piltz ZoharPro.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 21 19:42:33 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14104 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:42:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13390 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:41:11 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f175.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.175]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21146 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:33:41 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:33:05 -0700 Received: from 207.148.133.35 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:33:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.148.133.35] From: "Rob Fuller" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Fairy Sets.... Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:33:05 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2001 14:33:05.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA2715E0:01C0CA6F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi there...it's me again. I just wanted to day that I have just figured out how to do fairy sets...and then figured how to do them so I can duck them effortlessly. The weak side is HARD as hell....but I guess you gotta break some eggs if you wanna make an omelette. Now I just want some tips for a few fairy moves I haven't thought of doing yet. I HAVE thought of: Fear Fudge Fairy Leg over Fairy Pickup Fairy Clipper Fairy Ducking Clipper Fairy Same/Op Osis Fairy Dlo (hit it once) I think that's my first 3 dex move....YAY that's all for now... Peace out "Rubberman" Rob Fuller _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Apr 21 19:42:33 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14105 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:42:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13400 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:44:02 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f253.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.128]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21216 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:36:32 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 07:23:56 -0700 Received: from 207.148.133.35 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:23:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.148.133.35] From: "Rob Fuller" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Laver Milleniums Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:23:56 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2001 14:23:56.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2FBBEB0:01C0CA6E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone. Has anyone here ever been at school or something and noticed that some kid in your gym class has BRAND NEW LAVER MILLENIUMS? Well I certainly did. I was just sitting there and looking around when I noticed a pair of shoes that would be good for footbag. Then I noticed that they were made by adidas and said rod laver on them. So I asked him and he said "Yeah, my mom got them for me, I hate them, but they are kinda comfortable.". So I asked him what size they were and he said 9...MY SIZE. Then I told him about footbag and he said I could HAVE them for free if I wanted. Enough with how I got them...now I must describe how AMAZING these are. They feel even LIGHTER than Laver Classic and to mee are more comfortable (unlesss you placed a new insole in your laver classics, then I wouldn't really know about comfort). I have been able to longer before I get any sorness in my feet and have been able to move WAY faster and more freely. To all that have never tried these: GET THESE IF YOU CAN Peace Out "Rubberman" Rob Fuller _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 23 08:04:40 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16534 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:04:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14238 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:05:53 -0700 From: "Jacob Wallden" Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15408 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 20:58:21 -0700 Received: from Jacobwallden@cs.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.9.) id z.26.1468b272 (17386) for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <26.1468b272.2813b0b4@cs.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:57:40 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Fairy Sets.... To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 122 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org IM only a tiltless player but I consider myself a reel good tiltless player that should have gone guiltless years ago. The fairy set is my set, i to can duck and dive that set very well i do it almost like a sideways pendulum with a dex in there. my only six add that i have ever done was fairy diving gyro butterfly my friend named fear after watching me do it over and over (my only footbag claim to fame). symposium fear i like, IM sure you've done fairy ducking butterfly but i recently hit it with a dive or paradox dive or whatever you would call it when you dive and go to the other side, I do a fairy same side butterfly kind of like a double over down with a plant I call it a park avenue after the parkwalk, the other day I got this to roll of my clipper whit a dive between dexes. I find pixie set easier but my ferry set is huge when IM on. i recently learned double around the world going the fairy set way and barefoot in my house today i was coming reel close to triple around the world. late Jake Wallden (kicking solo in Milwaukee) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 23 08:05:36 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16539 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:05:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14268 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:39:51 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16731 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:32:15 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) id <0GC600501F9D54@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0GC6003GRF9DNG@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:22:11 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Fairy Sets.... To: freestyle Message-id: <3AE23BC5@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ***Rob Fuller Wrote*** >The weak side is HARD as hell ***To which I say*** NO WEAK SIDE ONLY FLIP SIDE!!! ***Rob Says about recently learning Fairy sets*** >I HAVE thought of: >Fear >Fudge >Fairy Leg over >Fairy Pickup >Fairy Clipper >Fairy Ducking Clipper >Fairy Same/Op Osis >Fairy Dlo (hit it once) I think that's my first 3 dex move....YAY ***And Rob asked for more Fairy set ideas*** Here's good advice for anyone who learns or invents a new set and is looking for ideas on what else they can hit. Remember that the set name is only the first part of the name of the trick so pretty much any base move that you can think of, or get off the move list, is (theoretically) capable of following the set. Here're some ideas. I'm NOT going to type "fairy" before every move here so just imagine I did. In no particular order: Same/Op Butterfly Same/Op Whirl Same/Op X-body rake Symposium Mirage Same/Op Dyno Ducking Butterfly Swirl Twirl Paradon Double Over Down Refraction Same/Op Drifter Reverse Mirage Spinning Anything Eggbeater Symposium Pixie Symposium Whirl Symposium Twirl And on and on and on.... Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 23 08:06:21 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16556 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:06:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14981 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:27:59 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f76.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.76]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA32111 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:20:25 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:08:23 -0700 Received: from 61.150.141.89 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:08:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [61.150.141.89] From: "Jordan Arron" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Barraging drills Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:08:23 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2001 15:08:23.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[135396F0:01C0CB3E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Everyone, I need help hitting Barrage. I've been working on it for a while and the only problem I am having is that I can't hit it...ever. I've been going tiltless for the last few months and I've gotten beyond ten guiltless contacts a few times. I figure that my clipper sets could use some work and that becomes very apparent when I try to hit barrage; my dexing leg keeps hitting the bag. I've tried pointing my toes, setting straight up or in front of me and nothing seems to be working. Does anyone have any good drills or advice that they can offer? Thanks, Jordan A. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 23 08:06:56 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16567 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:06:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15388 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:38:13 -0700 Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13996 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:30:38 -0700 Received: from Default ([24.67.226.156]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010422223028.IARW24212.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@Default> for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:30:28 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c0cb7c$0bd58620$9ce24318@ok.shawcable.net> From: "Jeff Lopes" To: Subject: [freestyle] Stretches for Hip........ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:31:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shredders, I would like some tips on stretching the hip safely. The traditional hurdler stretch (which I was doing before) was not good, since my track coach pointed out to me that it wasnt good for the joint. I struggle hitting down double down because my hip doesnt like to rotate like that, as well as paradox whirl.....if anyone has any good stretches please let me know by private e-mail....... Lates Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 23 08:09:57 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16580 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:09:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web11605.mail.yahoo.com (web11605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.57]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA15825 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:15:49 -0700 Message-ID: <20010423030809.78570.qmail@web11605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.154.31.108] by web11605.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:08:09 PDT Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Zohar Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Fairy Sets.... To: freestyle@list.footbag.org In-Reply-To: <200104221950.MAA15197@list.footbag.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shredders and newbies, > The weak side is HARD as hell.... This is your friend Eli Piltz reminding you that "WEAKSIDE IS WEAK!", and "FLIPSIDE IS COOL!" Seriously though, mental programming is extemely important when developing a skill. Anything from watching yourself on video to using positive reinforcement in your vocabulary will help your skills flourish. If you tell yourself that something is weak (like every trick on one side), it's gonna suck. Besides, "FLIPSIDE" sounds so cool. I guarantee you will smile when you teach new players Flipside (and other cool terms we have) and see their reactions. Eli Piltz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 23 10:20:41 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16741 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:20:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from front7.grolier.fr (front7.grolier.fr [194.158.96.57]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16074 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 02:32:39 -0700 Received: from balle (nas20-175.vlt.club-internet.fr [195.36.170.175]) by front7.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id LAA26595 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:24:49 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000d01c0cbd7$d7b45220$02325555@balle> From: "Maxime Boucoiran" To: References: <200104221950.MAA15197@list.footbag.org> Subject: [freestyle] double dyno?? Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:27:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello everyone, I had a question concerning a trick I'm hitting recently. It started as a fairy dyno (with the same foot doing fairy and dyno). Then I was doing the same trick but without tapping the foot after the fairy so I guess that it could be written as: TOE > SAME OUT [DEX] > SAME OUT [DEX] > SPIN (Back I think) [BOD] > SAME CLIP [XBD][DEL] logically if you set this from a clipper (I havn't been able to hit this regardless of my hours of trying to) it would be: CLIP > OP OUT [DEX] > SAME OUT [DEX] > SPIN (Back?) [BOD] > SAME CLIP [XBD][DEL] Now this looks A LOT like a double dyno (that's what I've dubbed it anyway) I was wondering if this allready had a name (both for the toe set and clipper set versions) and what it was. Thanks for answering. Oh, question 2: what is a gyro? I know it involves a spin, but there seems to be a lot of debating about this, so just a quick concice answer would be cool. Thanks a lot, Max From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 23 14:56:00 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17105 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:56:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17051 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:12:14 -0700 Received: from web11604.mail.yahoo.com (web11604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.56]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29143 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:04:36 -0700 Message-ID: <20010423210431.77282.qmail@web11604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.143.160.169] by web11604.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:04:31 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:04:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Zohar Piltz Reply-To: zohar@zoharpro.com Subject: [freestyle] new combo To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I forgot to mention this a while back: Jason Crook hit Tombstone to Tombstone a while back; I think he is the first to hit it. That's all, Eli Piltz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Apr 23 14:57:23 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17117 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:57:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17062 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:18:06 -0700 Received: from web4602.mail.yahoo.com (web4602.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.157]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29457 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:10:28 -0700 Message-ID: <20010423211022.2769.qmail@web4602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.97.2.243] by web4602.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:10:22 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:10:22 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kingi Subject: Re: [freestyle] double dyno and bod question To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <000d01c0cbd7$d7b45220$02325555@balle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey schredders, --- Maxime Boucoiran wrote: > hello everyone, > I had a question concerning a trick I'm hitting > recently. It started as a > TOE > SAME OUT [DEX] > SAME OUT [DEX] > SPIN (Back I > think) [BOD] > SAME > CLIP [XBD][DEL] I also started hitting this a little while ago, I started off thinking about a Double over Down and bailing to a same side Osis. After failing that on countless attempts I tried Treating it more like a fairy dino and intsantly started hitting it. I asked some one once and they said it was called a double over swish or something like that. Now for the question, if you hit a fairy dino bail to osis with out planting between the 2 dex's but you turn in to the stall after the 1st dex is it still a fairy dino or is it double over swish? i.e. for a double over swish you do 2 in to out dex's then turn (half spin) into the same foot osis, but with the other version you turn into it as you do the second dex, almost before it. Are these unique? Cheers, Johnny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 24 12:05:46 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18767 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:05:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17085 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:37:39 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f154.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.154]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30398 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:30:00 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:29:24 -0700 Received: from 66.74.17.126 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:29:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.74.17.126] From: "Elliott Husted" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] events & promoting the sport Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:29:24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2001 21:29:24.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[77D66FE0:01C0CC3C] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all you shred heads. I was just wondering maybe if someone could inform me why there are no competitions or anything that goes on in this boring city of Fresno that I live in. It would seem the most reasonable since it is like smack dab in the middle of California....am I right? Me and a buddy of mine started a club here in Fresno and are trying to promote the game to get bigger. I want other people to recognize it as an extreme sport just like snowboarding, skateboarding, you know....all those type of sports. I like footbag the most though..he...I don't get hurt as much as I did when I skated. Not only that but it took me like a freakin year to hit a 360 kickflip. I've been shredding for a year and a half now and I can hit torque, ripwalk, pdx dlo, bedwetter, and a lot of other cool moves. I have progressed so much faster with this than any other sport I have ever played. A lot of people see it as a sort of "hmmm interesting" sport. I wish they would get up off of their lazy asses and try the crap us shredders do. Maybe then they could find it as fun and exhilirating as I do. Ingredients for a kick ass fun of a time = water, radio/w techno music, footbag, rod lavers, and a whole lot of positive attitudes with compliments on achievements. Ever since I have found footbag.org I knew there were people out there that have as much as a passion for this sport as I do. I really hope I can get together with some of you ....um....more intense shredders who know how to organize a competition so I can make one happen here in Fresno. Please contact me and let me know if there is any kind of help you can offer me in making a totally unprecedented event like a freestyle footbag competition come to Fresno. Ask me what I'm doing, will most likely be kickin it, Mark Husted _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 24 12:07:07 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18778 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:07:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17240 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:46:08 -0700 Received: from femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.147]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03909 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:38:29 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([65.10.4.236]) by femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010423233818.QLHV723.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:38:18 -0700 Message-ID: <3AE4BEB2.3DEE5CFA@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:45:54 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] double dyno and bod question References: <20010423211022.2769.qmail@web4602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org John Kingi wrote: > > > I had a question concerning a trick I'm hitting > > recently. It started as a > > TOE > SAME OUT [DEX] > SAME OUT [DEX] > SPIN (Back I > > think) [BOD] > SAME CLIP [XBD][DEL] I'm hoping that the Renegade or the Enlightener will correct me if I'm wrong here... this move is a "motion". As far as I know, the set doesn't affect this move, so it is the same thing if set from either toe or either clipper. Fun move, but you run the risk of throwing out your knee if you go too hard. > I asked some one once and they said it was called a > double over swish or something like that. The "swish" means x-bdy rake. So, a double over swish is a double over down caught with a cross-body rake instead of a clipper. > Now for the question, if you hit a fairy dyno bail to > osis with out planting between the 2 dex's but you > turn in to the stall after the 1st dex is it still a > fairy dyno or is it [motion]? It is all a style thing. Personally, I wouldn't call it a fairy dyno unless you planted after the fairy. You might call it a "crispy" motion (crispy meaning that the set is a distinctly separate part of the move). And, then again, you might just call it motion. Either way, you know what you are talking about. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 24 12:09:18 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18791 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:09:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17478 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:05:48 -0700 From: "Jacob Wallden" Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07538 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:58:09 -0700 Received: from Jacobwallden@cs.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.9.) id z.f.133af411 (18251) for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:57:26 EDT Subject: [freestyle] RE: Fairy sets To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 122 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've been getting some e-mails telling me that fear is already named. I know this the mistake was in my punctuation. >My only six add that i have ever done is a fairy diving gyro butterfly my friend named fear >after watching me do it over and over Should have read My only six add move I have ever done is a fair diving gyro butterfly. My friend named fear (Aaron Edjerton along with fudge I believe) after seeing me do it over and over. sorry i don't watch my grammar too much late Jake Wallden From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 24 12:11:49 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18804 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:11:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17509 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:41:42 -0700 Received: from 0017407414 (sdn-ar-006nynyorP090.dialsprint.net [168.191.121.178]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17106 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001401c0cc5e$5f2f4760$b279bfa8@0017407414> Reply-To: "Josh Penney" From: "Josh Penney" To: References: <200104231950.MAA16921@list.footbag.org> Subject: [freestyle] Stretches for Hip........ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:31:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Jeff; Your hip needs not be very flexible for down-double. Set the bag a little further in front of you, or try turning towards the set a little more. Drill same-side butterfly, double-over-down, and kick-set paradon to get a feel for where else you could set the bag. I had some trouble with paradox whirls, too, until Turbo told me to turn more. Also, timing is a very important element. You'd be surprised how inflexible you can remain while still shredding the hein. Ask Ryan Mulroney. Sometimes increased flexibility leads to injury, just be careful. Pass me that thing; I'm shreddin stiff as a board in NYC; JP > Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:31:59 -0700 > From: "Jeff Lopes" <> > Subject: [freestyle] Stretches for Hip........ > > Hey shredders, > > I would like some tips on stretching the hip safely. The traditional > hurdler stretch (which I was doing before) was not good, since my track > coach pointed out to me that it wasnt good for the joint. I struggle > hitting down double down because my hip doesnt like to rotate like that, as > well as paradox whirl.....if anyone has any good stretches please let me > know by private e-mail....... > > Lates > > Jeff Lopes > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 24 14:45:15 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19056 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:45:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19018 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:16:27 -0700 Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19719 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:08:44 -0700 Received: from [144.92.184.117] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id QAA116864 (8.9.1/50); Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:08:37 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010424160841.00f67320@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:08:41 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Subject: [freestyle] RE: Fairy sets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jake and all, At 08:57 PM 4/23/01 EDT, you wrote: >I've been getting some e-mails telling me that fear is already named. I know >this the mistake was in my punctuation. > Ha! Funny that someone would call you on this since we (Jake included) named this here in Madison a LONG time ago. >My only six add move I have ever done is a fair diving gyro butterfly. > My friend named fear (Aaron Edjerton along with fudge I believe) after >seeing me do it over and over. Yup. Aaron named "fear" and I dubbed fairy reverse mirage a "fudge". Jake also dubbed fairy same butterfly a "Park Avenue" (a name which I love). Take it from Jake, he has been busting huge (and I mean HUGE) fairy sets for close to 2 years. He taught me fairy set and fear. Since then, this has become my favorite set and fear one of my most consistent moves (I have linked 18 consecutive). I like to think that I learned from the master. I personally feel fairy set has some massive potential for huge moves (since once you get good at it you can easily throw it a good 6 feet high - I literally have seen Jake throw down super clean fairy sets that have been over 7 feet high). What fairy stuff have people been hitting? Anyone hit fairy double down yet? I have been close, but not yet. What fairy spins have been hit? Anyone hit fairy spinning whirl? Later, Matt Kain - Madison Footbag From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Apr 24 15:22:58 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19108 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:22:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19078 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:03:32 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21286 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:55:50 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #4