From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 6 14:41:49 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24732 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:41:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17399 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:42:43 -0700 Received: from web13603.mail.yahoo.com (web13603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.114]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03403 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:41:15 -0700 Message-ID: <20010601204112.42210.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.20.132.173] by web13603.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:41:11 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:41:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Shaun Marques Subject: [freestyle] Symp. DLO's To: Shred MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers out there, How's everyone's game coming along? I haven't posted to this list in a while.. but the other day my friend and I were wondering what a Symp. DLO would appear to look like, so I tried my hand at it, toe set of course, and hit it on the second try. But I was wondering if the way I had hit it was legitimate. It went as follows: Left Toe set, perform right In-out Symp Mirage style dex, but while doing that, before making the left toe catch, bring the left leg out-in around the bag. In Job's: Left Toe > (no plant while) right op in > Left out in > Left Toe. I was just wondering if it seemed legitimate.. I suppose I'll just have to get my friend to record it and post it somewhere, because it's awfully difficult to describe. It felt like a "gimme" move like DaDa Curve, so that's why I was curious. Somebody help, please.. because I'd like to have this move (since I learned Toe Blur, Toe-set DLO, and Toe Ripwalk in less than 10 min. or so..). Shred on people. -Shaun __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 6 14:42:54 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24744 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 14:42:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19352 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:53:47 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f7.hotmail.com [216.32.181.7]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15189 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:52:19 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:39:56 -0700 Received: from 142.177.200.231 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2001 00:39:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.200.231] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pixie Set Tips Wanted Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 00:39:56 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2001 00:39:56.0266 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BB0ECA0:01C0EAFC] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list, I was wondering if anyone could give me some really good hints or drills for skooling pixie set... Thanks... If this helps, I'll let you know that I am able to do a pixie set a lot better in bare feet then in shoes, but I'd like to correct this... Cole On the road to guiltlessness... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 13 12:07:38 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14396 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:07:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25893 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 00:33:25 -0700 Received: from mail12.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA13634 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 00:31:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 36238 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2001 07:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dell) ([64.81.78.5]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Jun 2001 07:31:37 -0000 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "freestyle@footbag. Org" Subject: [freestyle] 2001 WFC Freestyle News 2nd edition... Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 00:27:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi funky freestylers around the world... It's been too long Here's the latest news on WFC 2001 and freestyle... 1st, I want to tell you all once again that the SF Bay area Worlds Committee is working furiously to create the greatest World Footbag Championships you have ever been apart of. 1st, did I already say 1st? Anyway, I want to ask for your help... It is VERY important that all of you register and BOOK YOUR ROOMS AT THE TOURNEY HOTEL ASAP. Register for the tourney and book your rooms at the tournament hotel now. Hotel space is expensive and hard to come buy in this city in the summer time. Don't wait. Book your rooms. Get a bunch O y'll together and make it cheaper. Go to the link below, and book your room. http://members.home.net/juliesymons/worlds2001.htm cool, thanx so much... now register too. Worlds is a very expensive event to put together. We need your money and info as soon as possible. http://members.home.net/juliesymons/worlds2001.htm 1st, regarding freestyle... the freestyle force on this planet is stronger than ever and San Francisco is one of the hot beds for it. Come the 2nd week of August you definitely want to be here. Remember CSS2 and all the energy and hype? Wasn't that a friggin blast?! It was. I know... I was there. Did you want to be there and couldn't make it? You want to make it to WFC 2001. Okay, last time I was here I promised you some info so finally, here it is... 1. Freestyle Semi-Finals Night and Final's night are professional shows. I am very happy to announce that our host & MC for these nights will be one of the greatest freestylers of all time. One of the first to hit flurry, on both sides, in the same combo. He's an original BAP member. The great. The talented... Mr. Tim! "Stikman" Kelly! :-) 2. We plan to have scores calculated, announced and posted on a scoreboard in real time as the event happens. A test run for scoring on the fly went very well at the Western Regional Championships using the Worlds scoring system. Now, our IT staff is working on a system to have these scores displayed and updated constantly on our large rear projection screen that will be the back drop to the freestyle stage. 3. We will be taking 8 shred finalists to "the show" on Saturday night. Shred will be the first event on finals night starting the show off with a BANG! immediately after Tim gets the crowd warmed up. 4. We will also be holding a JUST for FUN event that will be by invitation from BAP members. It's called the BIG 3. I want to THANK DANK... Dan Kramer that is, for inventing this event 2 years ago. I've made one modification to his original idea and the rules are this... Player gets 6 attempts to hit 3 of the phatest, styliest tricks he/she can in combination. A panel of 3 freestyle experts subjectively judge each attempt for phatest single trick, phatest 2 tricks and the overall winner must link 3 tricks. Adds are not directly a factor. The Cool Factor is what's important in this slam dunk of a freestyle contest. It is loose, fun and educational for the crowd. Move names and components of moves are announced after each attempt. We're working on slow mo instant replay for the big screen too. HOPEFULLY! Fun for the first family... Fun for the whole family. 5. SHRED will be 30 seconds instead of 45. Otherwise all rules remain the same. Reason for this is two-fold and it's undeniable. A. 30 second shred takes 1/3 less time to calculate scores... B. We want shred to represent, as closely as possible, a true instance of a circle shred. 45 seconds lends to "watering down" the combo to go for length and keep the bag off the ground. Proof it works... we had 2 test runs at 2 different tourneys on the 30 second shred idea. They both went very well. Stats... Ryan Mulroney's add ratio at last years record breaking 45 second shred at WFC 2000 was... 3.48 Ryan Mulroney's add ratio at Western's 30 second shred was... 3.84 Shred at this years WFC Freestyle - 30 seconds. 6. Women's Shred... yep, for the first time there will be a women's shred event. Same rules as the open except the add minimum is 2 instead of 3 for tricks to count towards variety. This is a first time women's event and it is starting out well above the level of the first time open shred at Funtastik in the early/mid 90's when we simply counted adds. In closing this WFC Freestyle News 2nd edition I want to thank a few. Many thanks for the great help so from Steve Goldberg, Vince Bradley, Brent Welch, Lisa McDaniel and Julie Symons. Steve and Vince are on freestyle staff. Steve is overall consultant for freestyle. Steve just generally kicks ass. Vince is IT and general consultant. Vince is my experience. Brent designed the scoring application and is working on the display. Lisa and Julie are co-running the whole friggin event. These people and many others are contributing much personal time and personal money to make this World Friggin Footbag Championships happen. They're kicking ass and therefore Worlds will kick ass. Thank them when you see them. I'll be back in a few weeks with more crap for you to read. If you got this far... thanx Eric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 13 12:08:38 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14406 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:08:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24949 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:19:13 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22325 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:17:28 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) id <0GEJ0AT017D25F@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:17:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0GEJ0ASED7D2OX@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:17:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:06:28 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Pixie Set Tips Wanted To: freestyle Message-id: <3B1E8DFA@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Cole Hobson ===== >I was wondering if anyone could give me some really good hints or drills for >skooling pixie set... Thanks... >If this helps, I'll let you know that I am able to do a pixie set a lot >better in bare feet then in shoes, but I'd like to correct this... Regarding pixie and fairy sets Yacine once said "I throw the bag at my knee and then get out of the way". How's that for a really good hint? Now for technical advice it really depends on what you're specifically having a problem with. If you find that in shoes the bag is getting caught on that hideous toe-box then my advice is to cut the sucker off. It takes getting used to, but I started doing it about 4 years ago and it helped my pixie set immensely. Other advice for this specific problem, if you don't want to further destroy your shoes, is to set the bag and wait a half second longer before doing the dex so that you are sure to clear the toe-box. If you're having problems with getting your leg to clear the bag then you just have to pay very close attention to how and where that is happening and adjust the set accordingly. I had the hardest time with my flip side for years because of this problem, then I finally realized that the lower part of my leg was coming in too much, so I adjusted. AND OF COURSE the best thing to do when trying to learn any move is to study some tape. Some of your favorite shredders are out there on video and have excellent pixie sets. I'd recommend watching Daryl or Sunil. Not to mention that "Tricks of the Trade 2" is coming out sometime in the next few months and it will have all the killer stuff you'll need. Shred 'til you're dead, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 13 12:07:58 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14401 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:07:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24921 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:03:59 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21590 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 16:02:14 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) id <0GEJ0AL016NNWO@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:02:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0GEJ0ARD96NNSC@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:02:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:51:14 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Symp. DLO's To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <3B1E8DAB@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Shaun Marques ===== > I was just wondering if it seemed legitimate.. I >suppose I'll just have to get my friend to record it >and post it somewhere, because it's awfully difficult >to describe. It felt like a "gimme" move like DaDa >Curve, so that's why I was curious. It's a legitamite move. It's not a gimmee either. This may be mere opinion but I think it's unquestionably more difficult than symposium mirage. The only problem you may run into is in it's cleanliness. The dexes need to be emphasized enough to make sure it doesn't come out like a rake. As long as it's clean it's a totally sweet move. >Somebody help, >please.. because I'd like to have this move (since I >learned Toe Blur, Toe-set DLO, and Toe Ripwalk in less >than 10 min. or so..). Shred on people. You should add it to your game as a regular move if you're able. I've seen very few people work it into a string. 10 Minutes huh! What's this world coming to? It took a year and a severe case of shin splints to finally hit Toe Blur and I've still only hit it 6 times. Keep Shreddin' Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 13 12:09:47 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14445 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:09:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26932 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:50:08 -0700 Received: from greekemail.com ([208.158.96.117]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20021 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 15:48:19 -0700 Received: from mr-potatohead.com [192.168.1.124] by greekemail.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A65E6D600A0; Thu, 07 Jun 2001 18:14:06 +0100 Message-ID: <63342001647224832666@mr-potatohead.com> X-EM-Version: 5, 0, 0, 4 X-EM-Registration: #01E0520310450300B900 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: My Own Email v4.00 From: "Taras Zaporozan" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Need help clipper setting in sandals Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:48:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey, I'm wondering if any footbaggers that use sandals can help me. When I try to do a high set or an osis the bag gets caught in the groove and it gets thrown into me. Is there anything I can do about this or should I just go and get lavers?? Thanx Taras Zaporozan _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 13 12:10:52 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14509 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:10:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31433 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:42:59 -0700 Received: from femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.108]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30865 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:41:03 -0700 Received: from c1277828a ([65.0.19.184]) by femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010608164055.WKGH14901.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c1277828a> for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:40:55 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c0f037$2c48a600$b8130041@sttls1.wa.home.com> From: "Jane Jones" To: Subject: [freestyle] Re: Women stylers at Swiss championships! Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:22:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there list, I'm sure you all saw Jan's post about Swiss Championships. If you haven't checked out the gallery yet, check out how the women are shredding out there at: http://www.footbagfreestyle.de/videos08.htm I was so impressed at all the tricks they can hit and how smooth and calm they seem up on stage. Seriously, check it out. Isabelle Widmer ends on a nice double legover. Julia Bohm looks like she's improved a lot since I kicked with her last summer at Europeans. Tsering Christen is a new name to me and even she is busting tricks. I guess there was another really good woman shredder who unfortunately couldn't compete because she hurt her ankle skooling double-over downs 2 days before the tournament. It was really cool to hear about girls skooling hard tricks in places I've never even been before. I think there were about 10 women competitors total. To put that into perspective, that's as much of a tournout as we had at World's last year!! Well, I know at least Tara and Mel are reading this list and will want to check out: http://www.footbagfreestyle.de/videos08.htm Thanks Jan for telling me so much about the tournament. I wish I could have been there. Adios, Jane From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 13 12:11:42 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14532 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:11:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32215 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:44:12 -0700 Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04371 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:42:21 -0700 Received: from batty.excite.com ([199.172.152.107]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010608184144.IBN17977.bucky.excite.com@batty.excite.com> for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:41:44 -0700 Message-ID: <7411034.992025704943.JavaMail.imail@batty.excite.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:41:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Montreal Summer Challenge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.13.32.107 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freestylers! The World Championship is less than 2 months away. Don't forget to warm-up by coming to the first Montreal Summer Challenge before competing in the Big Show. The MSC will be held on July 20-21 and we also have a jam scheduled on July 22. The tournament site is downtown Montreal and exposure for the sport will be awesome. The check-in for players is on FRIDAY July 20th. Yes! The first round of the tournament is on Friday at 5pm so you have to check-in by that time. The final round is on Saturday and the biggest Tam-Tam jam ever will happen on Sunday. The full schedule and all the details are posted on www.footbag.org. It will be a freestyle only tournament. A few big names will attend including Eli Piltz, Chad Devlahovich, and yours truly. Online registration is now set-up so if you plan on competing please register now. You can always cancel if something comes up at the last minute. We have great deals on hotel rooms. You have to register by June 15th to get these deals however. You can always e-mail me directly after that deadline and I'll be able to secure a room at a good price at our host hotel. yax@footbag.org. That's it for now. More details in a few weeks about the latest developments - especially the prize money which will be really good. -Yacine Merzouk ps: If you want crash space e-mail me. We might have some floor space available but we're almost completely booked. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 13 12:14:52 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14562 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:14:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04672 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:44:01 -0700 Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA00768 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:41:55 -0700 Received: from [144.92.184.168] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id NAA311724 (8.9.1/50); Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:41:48 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20010612134151.0194f758@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:41:51 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Matthew Kain Lewandowski Subject: [freestyle] Chicago Blues Fest Jam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just wanted to drop a line to fill everyone in on the insane jam that went down this past weekend at the Chicago Blues Fest Jam. To say the least - it was out of control. Myself and Aaron Edgerton (fellow Madison kicker) arrived at the fest on Friday, and the shred was already huge. Most of the CIC had been kicking the day before, but this didn't seem to slow down their blades. Before I even had time to finish stetching, I was rubbing my eyes from the huge guilt-free combos of the CIC. It seems like every one of these guys is pushing guilt-free and genuine combos. Dan Klokow was burning through insane genuine combos filled with steps, paradons, and pixie sets while Brian Parsons was shredding hard with ducks, spins, and some ultra-smooth drifter moves. However, James "Defender O.T.U." Risden seemed to be the fire that could not be extinguished. This guy was busting out the smoothest and hugest combos I have ever seen and made it all look as easy as riding a bike. James was smoking through pardox double legovers and paradox eggbeaters both sides, huge genuine combos, and a complete mastery of fairy, pixie, atomic, and quantum sets on both sides. This kid was hitting everything. After watching a run with Tombstone and Blurry Drifter both sides, I thought I had seen it all (little did I know...) However, James' Blurry Drifter > Tombstone combo made me want to cry. I stepped it up as best I could and broke my consecutive Fear record with 20, but there was little to be done to control James' mastery of the circle. After kicking it back to Tim Werner's house I had the chance to witness some hein shred on tape. Clips of James hitting Tombstone to Tombstone and an insane clip of Brian Parsons hitting Blurry Drifter > Paradox Drifter > Vortex were all we needed to inspire a late night shred. James Risden, myself, Aaron Edgerton, and Eric Reile shredded through an intense living room jam as Aaron held the circle together with smooth, teva-induced, guiltless runs. I busted out Ducking Feral, Eric nailed Backside Symposium Fear, and James earned an honorary membership into the Madison Footbag Club with his hardcore shred. The next day it seemed as if our legs would function no more. Still, Tim Werner's fairy swirling set and Tom Kotsakos' Ripped Warrior acted as the impetus and the shred was on. It was prime-time for highlights as the circles were ablaze and I found myself in one of the craziest shred sessions ever. Everyone picked up the pace and shredded like mad. "Air" Zeke Ibardaloza busted out Tobius, Eric Reile nailed Smoke, Aaron Edgerton hit Pixie Paradon, but James "$2 a string" Risden took the throne. James was throwing down Blurry Torque both sides, Spinning Paradox Eggbeater, Paradox Symposium Eggbeater, Gyro Blurry Whirl, Blurry Torque > Paradox Eggbeater, Blurry P.S. Whirl > Paradox Eggbeater, Pixie Same Torque > Clipper Set Eggbeater, and even hit 4 consecutive Stepping Osis mid-set. Just as we were all running out of steam, and I nearly passed out as James drop Ducking Whirlwind off of his clipper foot, the cavalry came in. Scott Davidson, Greg Nelson and the Michigan Posse arrived and threw down a schooling. Scott... well he's Scott. It seemed like every time Scott picked up the bag he threw down a double digit tripless run. Greg Nelson nailed Pogo Motion > Paradox Blender. Alex Keith was shredding like a madman with long guiltless that were topped of with some huge moves (Blurriest anyone?). The circles and combos were huge and props go to everyone who shredded that night. We barely had any steam left Sunday, but we were all able to throw down some decent combos. All in all the shred was insane. The CIC is a force to be reckoned with, and the Michigan shredders are playing some mean footbag. The Midwest is really heating up for freestyle. So take my advice - do not miss the next Midwest shred! I hope to kick with everyone again (and soon). Later, Matt Kain - Madison Footbag From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 13 12:16:04 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14611 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:16:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13850 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:47:48 -0700 Received: from web5303.mail.yahoo.com (web5303.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.112]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA04309 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:45:38 -0700 Message-ID: <20010613174537.10839.qmail@web5303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.79.223.142] by web5303.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:45:37 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:45:37 -0700 (PDT) From: lon smith Subject: [freestyle] New Move from Nevada City To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, This is Lon. Yesterday Peter Bevatori hit a move I've never seen before that was very confusing. It's like an osis but you jump over your osising leg while you do the osis. Has anyone seen or attempted this move? The timing changes from time to time and sometimes it looks like either half of the move(start or end) is all done in the air. Other times none or all of it done in the air. I tried it and almost hurt myself bad. But didn't. It's a brain teaser for sure. I guess it would be a four adder since it seems to add some sort of body or possibly a syposium dexterity to the osis. Please respond on if you can hit this move. Sloth Out __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 13 12:16:32 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14627 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:16:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from market.llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.21]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03177 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:43:51 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f22.hotmail.com [216.32.181.22]) by market.llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26015 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:41:59 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:29:24 -0700 Received: from 142.177.203.5 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Jun 2001 02:29:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.177.203.5] From: "Cole Hobson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] China Lavers v.s. Original Lavers Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 02:29:24 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2001 02:29:24.0621 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFA09BD0:01C0F08B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list, I am just wondering if anyone who knows something about the new, lighter Lavers made from China, can fill me in. I have the original (Made in Taiwan) Lavers, and they are still in good shape, but I am wondering if I should purchase the newer, ligther ones, or wait until my existing ones are worn out, and then buy them. So anyone who had old lavers, and has tried the new ones, and knows what kind of difference they make, please get back to me.. Cole http://www.voy.com/7805 -Footbag Discussion Forum- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 14 22:18:11 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29169 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:18:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15426 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:48:28 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA17516 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:46:18 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) id <0GEV03H01Z1688@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0GEV03H04Z167Y@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:35:12 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Need help clipper setting in sandals To: freestyle Message-id: <3B20BBE9@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I'm wondering if any footbaggers that use sandals can help me. When I try >to do a high set or an osis the bag gets caught in the groove and it gets >thrown into me. Is there anything I can do about this or should I just go >and get lavers?? Go to Lavers. When I started kicking over 5 years ago, I wore Sandals and the clippers were a pain then too. There are very few people who kick in sandals and there is a reason for that, actually several reasons. One is the clipper thing. There's also the support thing. Sandals have almost no high impact support. For a brief period about 2 years ago, almost every member of the Boulder Blades switched over to sandals. With the exception of Dave Holton all of those people are back in Lavers or some other modified sneaker. If you're dead set on sticking to sandals then I suggest wearing socks when you play. Though I think the sandal and sock look is (to be kind) a little awkward looking, I've heard it makes the release easier on the clippers. Good luck, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 14 22:17:30 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29164 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:17:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15351 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:41:03 -0700 Received: from web11608.mail.yahoo.com (web11608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.60]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id NAA16549 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:38:53 -0700 Message-ID: <20010613203853.51163.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.81.16.13] by web11608.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:38:53 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:38:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Zohar Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] China Lavers v.s. Original To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Cole Hobson" ...but I am wondering if I should purchase the newer, ligther ones, or wait until my existing ones are worn out, and then buy them. Good lord, are there still people using the old versions??? The Chinas are by far kinder on your feet, legs, and body. If you don't care about longevity or after session pain, please go ahead and stomp around in those old skool bricks. If you don't want to hurt as much after shredding, want to have a longer career, and want to move faster, with better response, get the friggin new ones! Take Peter Irish, for example, he has always despised trading in his old, flexible, broken-in pair of Lavers for new ones. But at the CSS2 he received a brand new pair of China Lavers, and he shredded hard in them all weekend- they weren't even broke-in yet. Get the Chinas. Eli Piltz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 14 22:16:54 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29159 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:16:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15317 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:34:58 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA16086 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:32:48 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) id <0GEV03G01YEIIB@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:32:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0GEV03FL8YEIEK@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:32:42 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:21:36 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] New Move from Nevada City To: freestyle Message-id: <3B20BA9C@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From lon smith ===== >This is Lon. Yesterday Peter Bevatori hit a move I've >never seen before that was very confusing. It's like >an osis but you jump over your osising leg while you >do the osis. If I'm reading this right I think it's a move I tried a few times a long time ago. Is it like a reverse hop-over only you're coming from an osis? If so I almost broke my ankle trying it a few times and decided to quit. Cool move. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 14 22:19:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29174 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:19:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15441 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:51:08 -0700 Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.180.64.194]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA17780 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:48:57 -0700 Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (not verified[127.0.0.1]) by inetsrv.callplus.co.nz with MailMarshal (4,0,9,0) id ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:48:45 +1200 Received: by inetsrv.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:48:45 +1200 Message-ID: <20893957B51D6149A3F8D0AEC0EE304E065BCF@inetsrv.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Travel & Nemesis Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:48:44 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Heyaz, Firstly, I'm heading to San Fancisco for a couple of days at the end of this month (28th-30th) for the express purpose in kicking with the locals.... Then Im off to San Diego in early July (1st-6th) to kick at the Shred 4 Independence... should be fun. If you live in either of those cities, or neighbouring cities (hell, Im going there from New Zealand so u got no excuse), and want a shred, drop me a line :) Secondly, no one has ever hit Nemesis, and I am nowhere near hitting it. That aside... I was thinking about techniques in hitting it the other day, and I think the best way to land the sucker would be to do the last 2 dexes symposium. Barraging Superfly anyone? I've seen a few people around who can do a barraging *set* (hi Sunil)... can any of you hit superfly too? Why not tape em both together and go for it? Anyway, here's the notation: Clip > op in [dex] > same in [dex] > no plant while [bod] > op out [dex] > same out [dex] > op clip [del] [xbd]. L8r! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 14 22:19:55 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29179 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:19:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15665 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:21:46 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA19833 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:19:36 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) id <0GEW03N010KBFR@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0GEW03M3D0K7Y9@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:08:12 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Santa Fe/Albuquerque Freestylers? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <3B20C26F@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm headin down to the Santa Fe/Albuquerque area this weekend and if there're any shredders down there I'd love to get together with you and kick on Saturday (the 16th). Let me know if you exist and give a phone number to get a hold of you. Thanks, Brad 303-477-3308 From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 14 22:20:25 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29186 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:20:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19292 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:18:51 -0700 Received: from femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.140]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA12743 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:16:40 -0700 Received: from c1277828a ([65.0.19.184]) by femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010614051631.RJMS13320.femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c1277828a>; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:16:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c0f48e$dcba3ca0$b8130041@sttls1.wa.home.com> From: "Alex Zerbe" To: "lon smith" , References: <20010613174537.10839.qmail@web5303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Move from Nevada City Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:59:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there, I've seen Phil Summers bust a move he calls calypso. Its a reverse eclipse done osis style. Is this anything like Peter's move? AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "lon smith" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: [freestyle] New Move from Nevada City > Hi all, > > This is Lon. Yesterday Peter Bevatori hit a move I've > never seen before that was very confusing. It's like > an osis but you jump over your osising leg while you > do the osis. > > Has anyone seen or attempted this move? > > The timing changes from time to time and sometimes it > looks like either half of the move(start or end) is > all done in the air. Other times none or all of it > done in the air. > I tried it and almost hurt myself bad. But didn't. > It's a brain teaser for sure. > > I guess it would be a four adder since it seems to add > some sort of body or possibly a syposium dexterity to > the osis. > > Please respond on if you can hit this move. > > Sloth Out > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 14 22:20:50 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29191 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:20:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23500 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:31:09 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f241.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.241]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA03108 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:28:53 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:28:22 -0700 Received: from 64.242.13.82 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:28:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.242.13.82] From: "pete irish" To: mccd2k@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] China Lavers v.s. Original Lavers Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:28:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2001 16:28:22.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[078DF9C0:01C0F4EF] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Throw your old heavy brick lavers in the dumpster and definately get the chinese lavers. Trust me. >From: "Cole Hobson" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] China Lavers v.s. Original Lavers >Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 02:29:24 -0000 > >Hey list, > >I am just wondering if anyone who knows something about the new, lighter >Lavers made from China, can fill me in. I have the original (Made in >Taiwan) Lavers, and they are still in good shape, but I am wondering if I >should purchase the newer, ligther ones, or wait until my existing ones are >worn out, and then buy them. So anyone who had old lavers, and has tried >the >new ones, and knows what kind of difference they make, please get back to >me.. > >Cole >http://www.voy.com/7805 >-Footbag Discussion Forum- >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:30:09 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07723 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:30:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30701 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:10:43 -0700 Received: from web13801.mail.yahoo.com (web13801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.11]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA05606 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:08:28 -0700 Message-ID: <20010615160827.27123.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.40.137.115] by web13801.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:08:27 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:08:27 -0700 (PDT) From: ERiC WiNDSoR Subject: [freestyle] recovering from injuries To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi List. I have a thigh injury that developed gradually from footbagging. The last time I kicked was at the San Fransisco jam a little over 2 months ago. It just got to the point to where I don't really feel it anymore, but Im afraid to start kicking again cause i don't want to reinjure it and have to take another 2 frikin months off. My question is this: How long should I not kick for after I feel like im healed. If there is anyone out there that can share their injury recovery stories that would be cool. Probably should do it privately cause this is a pretty boring subject matter. Thank you. Eric Windsor ps.(: kcus uoy .derujni gnitteg tuohtiw emit eht lla elytseerf nac taht sdratsab ykcul uoy lla etah I __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:30:38 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07731 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:30:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30804 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:34:56 -0700 Received: from saturn.wwc.edu (IDENT:postfix@saturn.wwc.edu [199.236.178.1]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11692 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:32:40 -0700 Received: from student.wwc (student.wwc [10.82.5.3]) by saturn.wwc.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D6A26767B for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WWC-Message_Server by student.wwc with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:32:32 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:32:15 -0700 From: "Erik Engeberg" To: Subject: [freestyle] shredders in the area Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id LAA30805 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey are there any shredders in the visalia-hanford area in california? I would like to get together and kick sometime if there is. -EdE- From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:31:10 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07750 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:31:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31194 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:00:50 -0700 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA21744 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:58:33 -0700 Received: from bob (ip155.chicago31.il.pub-ip.psi.net [38.33.74.155]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA17113 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:58:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert Martin" To: Subject: [freestyle] Washing your bags Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:58:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20010612134151.0194f758@students.wisc.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Everybody, My bag has been getting pretty dirty, and I was wondering if anyone would know of anyway to wash the bag with out really degrading the life of it? Thanks, Robert Martin From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:32:12 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07778 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:32:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31577 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:31:28 -0700 Received: from proxy2.connect.ab.ca (root@proxy2.connect.ab.ca [206.75.40.76]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA25900 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:29:10 -0700 Received: from bott.connect.ab.ca (rdts1-156.connect.ab.ca [207.34.74.156]) by proxy2.connect.ab.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA00849 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:29:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <014f01c0f603$891ba900$9c4a22cf@connect.ab.ca> From: "Ryan Bott" To: Subject: [freestyle] Lavers Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:27:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi. I was wondering if anyone knew a place around central Alberta to pick up the new Rod Laver's. I've looked around in Red Deer(living in Lacombe) at the malls and haven't seen any yet. Any help is appreciated, Ryan From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:32:54 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07795 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:32:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01834 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:12:13 -0700 Received: from madonna.siteprotect.com (madonna.siteprotect.com [64.41.120.23]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA28166 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:02:12 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (011gra029.chartermi.net [24.247.11.29]) by madonna.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22029 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:02:07 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:07:09 -0400 Subject: [freestyle] Do you know what this move is? From: ryan masuga To: footbag Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I recently hit a new move and I'm not sure what it is. It's a Torque with a duck in the middle, sort of like Ripped Warrior is a Ripwalk with a duck in the middle. Or a you night say a Stepping Ducking Op Osis. The Jobs would be something like this: Clip > Op in > duck > spin(back) > op clip. If you have QuickTime and want to see it, I put it up at http://www.masuga.com/shred1.html. It's the first move in the string. Anyone have a name for this, or know of one? Thanks, ryan masuga -- maHUGEa 3cfd 3rd Coast Footbag Dept. http://www.masuga.com/3cfd (requires Flash 5 plug-In) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:33:21 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07830 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:33:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04973 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:40:28 -0700 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25293 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:30:25 -0700 Received: from storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.35]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CE2378 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id LAA25508; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:30:10 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQYAqjbPgGpZY3y6X8WrcUwQ2DDaAIUWgZ//ChmDGMcZQEDY3Dpa6mb6D0= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:30:10 -0400 (EDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] China Lavers Message-ID: <20449-3B2CF732-684@storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have a pair of the new China Lavers to sell. They don't fit me, but have been nicely modified. They are size 10 1/2. Going for $40 US + shipping. Reply to me, not the list. Thanks, Greg From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:34:23 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07882 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:34:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11579 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:57:08 -0700 Received: from gigi.excite.com (gigi.excite.com [199.172.152.110]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA09908 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 06:47:03 -0700 Received: from bubbles.excite.com ([199.172.153.29]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010618134632.DLQA3984.gigi.excite.com@bubbles.excite.com>; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 06:46:32 -0700 Message-ID: <28153797.992871992827.JavaMail.imail@bubbles.excite.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 06:46:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Davidson To: pete irish , mccd2k@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] China Lavers v.s. Original Lavers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 209.107.90.78 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! Pete is right. The new lavers are the way to go. I took a pair of old Lavers that I had been wearing around town for over a year in an effort to break them in, against my new pair of China Lavers that I got at CSS2 and pulled the insole out of each of them. The only difference is that my China shoes have had the canvas taken out of the instep and the toe area, not more than a gram of difference, I am sure. The Original old Lavers weighed in at 402 grams. The New China Lavers weighed in at 305 grams. (Weights listed are Per Shoe) Do the math. Add the Spenco Insoles (I use the cheapo ones with no added arch or heel or toe support, just neoprene slabs with green fabric on one side) and I am back up to 325 grams but the Spenco's save the legs and is a small investment in your longevity. I still save 80 grams per leg, per lift, for hours and hours of playing and lifting the legs, it adds up. The new ones don't need to "break in" because the rubber sole is noticibly softer to the "poke" versus the old lavers. Time will tell if the rubber will wear down faster, but I have not noticed much rubber disappearing off the bottoms of my new shoes. On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:28:19 -0400, pete irish wrote: > Throw your old heavy brick lavers in the dumpster and definately get the > chinese lavers. Trust me. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener@footbag.org Emphasize Whirled Peas. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:35:20 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07900 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:35:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13037 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:17:30 -0700 Received: from web13607.mail.yahoo.com (web13607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.118]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA19326 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:07:23 -0700 Message-ID: <20010618170723.95377.qmail@web13607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.20.132.30] by web13607.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:07:23 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Shaun Marques Subject: [freestyle] New Move (?) To: Shred MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Recently I've been schooling the quantum set, and I happened to stumble across what seems to be a new move. Via this list I was talking to Lon Smith about it, and he claims it hasn't been hit. In Job's, it's as follows: TOE > OP IN > OP IN (plant)> OP OUT > OP CLIP I'm going to assume that'd be a Quantum Ripwalk (not to be confused with Toe Ripwalk/Quantum Butterfly..), and the other day in a local park with my sister (I got her into shredding :) ), I hit it. Cleanly too. Anyone hit this move before, and if so, what has anyone called it? because I've labeled it "S-Factor." Alright, thanks in advance for any replies to come. Shred on folks. :) -Shaun M. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:36:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07938 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:36:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21599 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:15:42 -0700 Received: from ds9.bie.ispi.net (root@ds9.bie.ispi.net [206.131.202.23]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA06333 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:05:32 -0700 Received: from chrish.planetquake.com (chekov.bie.ispi.net [206.131.202.206]) by ds9.bie.ispi.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5JH5Kg04714 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:05:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010619114743.00ad4410@mail.planetquake.com> X-Sender: shatter@mail.planetquake.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:01:29 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Chris Holden Subject: [freestyle] New Club Web Site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org We're working on a club web site for local Beatrice, NE kickers. I'm an artist for a game developer and one of the other better players in town works for a web developer, so we should have a good quality site. One of our main features is going to be video footage of as many moves as we can get. To me, one of the greatest things about footbag.org (beside this mailing list) is the freestyle moves list. What's helped me the most about the section is the video demonstrations, but most of the moves have no video. So what I'm going to try to do is capture all the moves I can, up to some of the 3-add moves (cause I still suck ;). What I need is someone who can help me out with some sort of proofing. I know I'm doing most of these moves correctly, but nothing is worse that posting a bad move. If anyone out there is willing to give me a hand, basically downloading the videos and saying "yes that's right/wrong" or someone who is in the area that could check them out for real. None are filmed as of yet, but we've got all the equipment and web site ready to go. I really wanted to do all of this last year, but my skills were not. Also, any feedback from some wicked shredders as to what you want to see in a footbag based web site is welcome. Thanks, Chris Holden mailto:cholden@4drulers.com http://www.4drulers.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:36:58 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07950 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:36:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02644 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:55:00 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f213.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.213]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA17017 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:44:43 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:44:13 -0700 Received: from 24.1.238.28 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:44:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.1.238.28] From: "Sun Tzu" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Sandals and Socks Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:44:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2001 18:44:13.0893 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AE83F50:01C0FA82] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey folks, as a suggestion for dorky socks and sandals. Wear black socks. from a short distance, it just appears that you're wearing black shoes. Nathan (go buy lavers) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:37:43 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07973 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:37:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17177 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 04:18:24 -0700 Received: from web12803.mail.yahoo.com (web12803.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.38]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id VAA17051 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:08:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20010625040835.38120.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.254.128] by web12803.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:08:35 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:08:35 -0700 (PDT) From: matt baker Subject: [freestyle] State games of Oregon To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all stylers, Just wanted to say that I am going to be at the state games of oregon tournament later this month, I want to encourage any shredder in the area to show up and jam. I may be there a little late but will be there for sure so come and jam. Footbag is a great thing. I am chillen in seattle with two hane shredders jane and alex and wathching the two of them go off just makes me want to school hard. So moral of the story get inspired,practice whatever you want to do. just make sure you are doing it cause you love to do it. That is why we are all here anyways because we love to play. Don't forget that pure intention. Peace matt anyone going to the gathering send my love. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:40:29 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08069 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:40:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA26880 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 05:35:15 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f144.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.144]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA01684 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:25:21 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:24:52 -0700 Received: from 12.84.129.227 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 05:24:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.84.129.227] From: "Jon Nagela" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Taste of Chicago Jam Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 05:24:51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2001 05:24:52.0281 (UTC) FILETIME=[539FCA90:01C0FE00] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all. Its time for the taste of Chicago, the biggest outdoor festival in Chicago and one of the best places to jam you will find. Blues fest was GREAT with big crowds of people who loved watching shred. I remember some dude paying James 2 bucks to show his aunt shredding. There were over of 15 shredders from Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Colorado, and many more hackers who watched or stepped into our circles, including Jo Jo a little kid who learned to stall in about 1/100000000th the time it took me. To anyone that came to bluesfest jam trust me--that was just a warmup taste is gonna rock! The event lasts from June 29- July 8 but the main jam will be July 4th, 6th, 7th, and 8th from noon till.... E-mail me for more info. Jon Nagela _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:41:06 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08098 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:41:06 -0700 Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31285 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:40:36 -0700 Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA21848 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:30:37 -0700 Received: from riemann.math.psu.edu (riemann.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.200]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06569 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (faber@localhost) by riemann.math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11604 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:30:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: riemann.math.psu.edu: faber owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:30:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Faber To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Inspinning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up freestylers? I trust everyone is putting together some serious routines for Worlds or just dialing up their shred for that same purpose. I've been working on inspinning a lot lately (I managed to seal inspinning paradox mirage midstring yesterday!), and I'm curious what other people's take on the adds involved is. Now I don't want to start another heated argument that ends in "Adds don't matter!" I know they don't ... except when you're in a shred competition. So my question is, what kind of arguments are there for and against a second add for an inspin. Inspinning mirage is significantly harder than gyro mirage, but by that same token, toe whirl is significantly harder than butterfly. I can see some obvious arguments for and against this. Does anyone have any not-so-obvious arguments? Also, is there any thought of revising the add system to expand the freedom of it a bit? It seems to me that inspinning osis shouldn't get 5 adds, but it feels like more than 4. Perhaps if there was a "half-add" idea it might fix things. Just my two cents, and I'm curious to hear other people's pennies tossed in. I hope to see everyone at the Montreal Summer Challenge, and if not there, I'll see you at Worlds. Shred on, Alex Integer of the Penn State Trio From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:42:17 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08121 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:42:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32760 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:05:46 -0700 Received: from infometrics2.infometrics.co.nz (mail.infometrics.co.nz [210.48.109.82]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA01620 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:55:50 -0700 Received: by INFOMETRICS2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 09:51:33 +1200 Message-ID: <11B671CB12E9D111A9DE0000F8E23895286E95@INFOMETRICS2> From: Floyd Morgan To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] New Move? Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 09:51:33 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thanks to the inspiration of Lynton Stephens who has come over from Australia to Wellington (New Zealand), for ten days I had my best kick in a long time yesterday. I finally hit the move I have been trying since I thought fairy and mobius in the same sentence, Fairy Spinning Torque. TOE > SAME OUT [DEX] > SPIN (back) [BOD] > OP IN [DEX] > SPIN (back) [BOD] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] I am pretty sure this is unnamed but unsure of whether it has been hit before, I think 'Phobia' would work, a mix of fairy and mobius, and when someone hits it symposium, (the second dex) it could be called Genuphobia (fear of knees). I also hit my first triple dex (other than x-body rake ones) Pixie tap, I know this is a lame triple dex, but better than nothing. Note to fellow intermediate kickers out there, if you haven't had the chance to kick with an insane kicker make the chance, it is well worth it. Again, Props to Lynton ( bustin blurriests, gyro dlo > neutron smasher, and atomic anything else that you accidentally ask him to try), and if anyone sees a post about a new move from John Kingi prepare to be sickened, I saw him just miss a move about three times yesterday, but you'll have to wait to find out more, sorry to leave you hanging but there is nothing like a little pressure to make someone hit something sick. Later Floyd From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:44:25 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08194 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:44:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01320 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 00:41:57 -0700 From: "Matthew Cross" Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA07855 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:31:58 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id z.93.c61ba30 (4390) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <93.c61ba30.286a835c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:31:24 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Gyro Riptide = New Move? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear Footbag Community.... So for the past few days now, I've been working on gyro riptide ("surging opposite butterfly swirl", if you prefer), and today, as a cherry on the top of one of the best sessions I've ever had (including kick set torque first try, dragon set torque, and gyro blurry whirl, and generally some of my better shred), I finally got it as my last move... So now that my first brag session in a LONG TIME (hell, I can't even remember if I've even done it before, so please don't rag me on it :] ) is over, could someone please tell me if gyro riptide has been hit before or named? Oh, also, just occurring to me now, when I was in chicago this past weekend to kick with James Risden and some of the CIC guys, I was working on something that's kind of a duck and an inspin at the same time, so while you're going under the bag, you're facing directly up looking at it, and you finish the spin on the way up from the duck... Does anyone else do this? has anyone else hit this in a move? I was doing stepping ducking inspinning ALMOST osis ;) it was inches away... So anyways, someone let me know if these moves I'm asking about have been hit, and what they're called... I'm curious to know what I'm doing ;) Hope to see some of you guys soon... Matthew Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jun 27 14:46:02 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08238 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:46:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07261 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:29:54 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f39.hotmail.com [216.32.181.39]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA22050 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:29:50 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:17:44 -0700 Received: from 129.93.29.152 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:17:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.93.29.152] From: "Brian Mckenzie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Cross-training and new move Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:17:44 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2001 20:17:44.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[39BA7B10:01C0FF46] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shredders, I have a question about cross training. My car broke down about a month ago and I scrapped it for $50, clearly an offer I couldn't refuse. Anyway, I've been doing a lot of biking and skateboarding to get from point A to point B. For other footbag players who bike and skate, what effects does this have on your shred? Do you do it for cross-training purposes or just for transportation? I'm close to hitting atomic spinning drifter, is anyone else working this set? Also, props to Mike Wilson from Ft. Worth, you sew a sweet footbag. Later Kamakenzie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 28 14:51:33 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17504 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:51:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08481 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:06:44 -0700 Received: from madonna.siteprotect.com (madonna.siteprotect.com [64.41.120.23]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA27477 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:06:39 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (011gra029.chartermi.net [24.247.11.29]) by madonna.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32083; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:06:28 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:11:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Club Web Site From: Ryan Masuga To: Chris Holden , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20010619114743.00ad4410@mail.planetquake.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Heya, I've already started a move library of 4-add and up....I have a ton more moves but not all the time in the world to get them up. The site is a "Work in Progress" (so turn off the unfinished sound loops if you want...) but there's a good load of moves on it already. If you have the Flash 5 plug-in and QuickTime, mosey over to http://www.masuga.com/3cfd, click multimedia, click the "video" screen and choose 4,5,or 6 add moves. I'm trying to get all MICHIGAN shredders on there, and I have footage of a bunch of them, but I don't have them optimized yet. Needless to say, I'm most proud of the Blurry Symposium Whirl... Advice...hey, you can proof your own moves! That's the beauty of video! film and let the film run. Get a move on tape 3-4 times, watch them in slo-mo, or frame by frame, pick the cleanest one, edit it down to the essential part, optimize, put on web, sit back and watch the money pour in. Or something like that. keep kicking, r y a n m a s u g a -- maHUGEa 3cfd 3rd Coast Footbag Dept. http://www.masuga.com/3cfd (requires Flash 5 plug-In) > From: Chris Holden > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:01:29 -0500 > To: freestyle@footbag.org > Subject: [freestyle] New Club Web Site > > We're working on a club web site for local Beatrice, NE kickers. I'm an > artist for a game developer and one of the other better players in town > works for a web developer, so we should have a good quality site. > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 28 14:52:43 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17514 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:52:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09027 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:26:47 -0700 Received: from snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA30488 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:26:43 -0700 Received: from ghostpirate ([64.167.13.239]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GFM00I2H3S8AG@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:26:21 -0700 From: Chris Pinkus Subject: Re: [freestyle] Cross-training and new move To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <002a01c0ff60$93a548c0$fc1dfea9@ghostpirate> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Brian and Footbaggers, I've tried atomic spinning mirage a couple times. I do it kinda all in one motion, like a spinning karate kick or something, followed by a mirage. I've tried doing it in separate motions like a true aotmic spinning would be, but I can find the time to do anything after I spin. Email me if you get it to work well so I can leech off your findings, hehe. Chris P In response to Brian McKenzie: > I'm > close to hitting atomic spinning drifter, is anyone else working this set? From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 28 14:52:02 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17509 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:52:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08649 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:26:11 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA28512 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:26:07 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) id <0GFM01J010ZD2A@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0GFM01I2D0ZDYQ@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:14:37 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Inspinning To: freestyle Message-id: <3B251763@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Alexander Faber ===== >Also, is there any thought of revising the add system to expand the >freedom of it a bit? It seems to me that inspinning osis shouldn't get 5 >adds, but it feels like more than 4. Perhaps if there was a >"half-add" idea it might fix things. I suggested the "half-add" over a year ago and it didn't go well. The main problem I remember people telling me was that it would mean reevaluating the add level of every trick and probably confusing a lot of people. From the add discussions I've witnessed the biggest problem is how to make changes that include everything that's current, make it flexible for new stuff, and don't confuse everyone in the mean time. I don't know how that last one will happen though. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 28 14:56:08 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17606 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:56:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09328 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:08:04 -0700 Received: from allan ([24.70.195.11]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010628000754.KZSJ2135.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@allan> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:07:54 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c0ff66$6113ab80$6a64fea9@gv.shawcable.net> From: "Allan Haggett" To: References: Subject: [freestyle] Cross-training and new move Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:07:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brian & list, Skateboarding as TRANSPORTATION rules for cross-training for Freeeestylin'. Balance, leg strength, endurance.......try alternating the pushing leg(go switch!) for maximum effect in building strength in your legs.... However, as someone who has been skateboarding since I was nine, skating for the tricks and stylin' all those new skool flips and big burly gaps that have won skateboarding so much respect can be extremely detrimental for your freestyle game. Take for instance a few years ago, less than three weeks before World's 98, I was skating a local park here and busted a pretty big backside 180 over a rail and down a gap and **folded** my right ankle over so my big toe touched my shin!!! My ankle was the size of a softball within seconds as I tore two ligaments. I think hearing the "POP!!" was the worst.....Fortunately my acupuncturist had me freestyling again within 3 weeks (ask a conventional doc how long recovery time for two torn ligaments is)...... point being, BE CAREFUL!! I don't skate parks anymore as I tend to get carried away with how cool it feels to bust big tricks.... use it as alternative transpo, and all will be well..... watch that traffic though ;) oh yeah, Atomic Spinning Drifter ??? Sorry buddy, your not just "off the hook", your phone's been disconnected!!! To quote Mike D, "Got numbers BEYOND what you can dial...." Peace and see y'all at world's :) Allan H. http://footbag.dnsalias.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 28 14:57:02 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17629 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:57:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09546 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:40:43 -0700 Received: from allan ([24.70.195.11]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010628004032.LHPG2135.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@allan> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:40:32 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c0ff6a$f0181420$6a64fea9@gv.shawcable.net> From: "Allan Haggett" To: Subject: [freestyle] FREE shred flick Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:40:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org sup? Check out http://footbag.dnsalias.net/css2a.htm 10 hours of video footage boiled down to 19 minutes. It's my documentary of my road trip to the 2nd annual Colorado Shred Symposium. There is lots of cool Juggling and a couple good B-side out-takes that likely won't make the other productions, as well as some of the best stuff that was well documented that weekend. Thanks go to Kenny Shults for allowing me to use some of the footage that I recorded while they were shooting for Tricks of the Trade 2.... I can't wait till that comes out!! It's freely available for download from my web site, but if you can't handle the 50 meg download(tiny size really, for 19 minutes of video) for the good quality version, then I may just have(or could make) a VHS copy or two to send out for a modest fee of $10 + shipping & handling I will also have VHS and/or CD copies available for sale at World's this year. If you are one of the few who are in this video and I haven't contacted you yet, I'm sorry and please be patient and I will get around to emailing everyone about getting their free VHS copy and the legal stuff. I'm *still* a damn newbie web master, and my site is *still* being hosted on my home system, but I have made a few changes and upgrades and things should be stable enough to handle the load.... IF not, please email me and let me know what problems you had and when you had them. My site is tailored towards users accessing it on cable/dsl + connections, but I have made an effort to include all you people still living in the 20th century on dial-up - just use the site map for a direct link to all the downloadable media available(there has been some other cool stuff added over the past months as well). OK, I think that's it..... I hope I haven't been overly verbose ;) Peace, Allan that address again, http://footbag.dnsalias.net From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 28 14:58:03 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17649 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:58:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09589 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:44:56 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f264.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.139]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA01247 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:44:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:31:54 -0700 Received: from 203.98.21.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:31:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.98.21.42] From: "Liam Johnston" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Do you know what this move is? Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:31:53 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2001 00:31:54.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB1A8420:01C0FF69] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ryan, Seeing as a ducking ripwalk is a 'Ripped Warrior', perhaps you could call it 'Torquing Warrior' (it's a play on words! har har har!). I am, you see, very lame. Btw, Cheers to John, Floyd, Lynton and the others - awesome weekend. Keep it Real, Liam - The Rod- Original post by: ryan masuga >To: footbag >Subject: [freestyle] Do you know what this move is? >Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:07:09 -0400 > >Hi all, > >I recently hit a new move and I'm not sure what it is. It's a Torque with a >duck in the middle, sort of like Ripped Warrior is a Ripwalk with a duck in >the middle. Or a you night say a Stepping Ducking Op Osis. The Jobs would >be >something like this: Clip > Op in > duck > spin(back) > op clip. If you >have >QuickTime and want to see it, I put it up at >http://www.masuga.com/shred1.html. It's the first move in the string. >Anyone >have a name for this, or know of one? > >Thanks, > >ryan masuga >-- >maHUGEa >3cfd >3rd Coast Footbag Dept. >http://www.masuga.com/3cfd >(requires Flash 5 plug-In) > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 28 14:58:42 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17672 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:58:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11919 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:47:13 -0700 Received: from web4501.mail.yahoo.com (web4501.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.62]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id XAA13824 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:47:08 -0700 Message-ID: <20010628064707.8883.qmail@web4501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.220.164.165] by web4501.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:47:07 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Edwin Tichenor Subject: Re: [freestyle] Cross-training and new move To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello everyone, This post happened to spark a reply. I used to skate a bit, nothing too hard mind you, and it really effected my ankles. I used to skate a lot more seriously, but stylin took its place after i got into it. I couldn't kick hard at all with the ankle problems i was having with skating. Whenever i had to bail on a trick for skateboarding my ankles would take the impact. So eventually, footbag became more important to me,and I had to skating if I wanted to take it seriously at all. Anyways, on to the cross training. A while back I posted an email that said footbag increased my agility and my vertical helping my soccer game out a lot. I just wanted to repeat how much of a factor both sports have been on each other for me. Since I started freestyling, my drop-kick for soccer( i am a goalkeeper by the way) has gone from 50 yards inconsistently to 70-80 yards consistently. It has also assisted my ability to get back and forth across the goal line more quickly, and it has really helped with making the all out extension dive, upper 90 type save. The same works the other way around. By that I mean, all the sprints, fast footwork drills, ball distribution and other facets of being a soccer player has contributed to my dexs, symposiums, spins and all the other clockwork needed for shredding. I think it has allowed me to improve a lot faster than someone just started to kick. Hopefully, it will give me an edge in my life long journey of footbag. Because I know I have to improve a lot further to even compete with some of the shit being pulled today. Flurricane, I mean really what's that all about. Props to Big Add on that one Sorry for the long post, the footbag, it excites me. Edwin TIchenor product of the east mechanicsburg, Pa (sorry, i had to mention that to inform everybody that there's people in central pa kickin) --- Brian Mckenzie wrote: > Hey shredders, I have a question about cross > training. My car broke down > about a month ago and I scrapped it for $50, clearly > an offer I couldn't > refuse. Anyway, I've been doing a lot of biking and > skateboarding to get > from point A to point B. For other footbag players > who bike and skate, what > effects does this have on your shred? > Do you do it for cross-training purposes or just for > transportation? I'm > close to hitting atomic spinning drifter, is anyone > else working this set? > Also, props to Mike Wilson from Ft. Worth, you sew a > sweet footbag. Later > Kamakenzie > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 28 14:59:28 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17701 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:59:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12650 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:37:30 -0700 Received: from allan ([24.70.195.11]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010628083716.PFQT2135.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@allan> for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:37:16 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c0ffad$8a1f3520$6a64fea9@gv.shawcable.net> From: "Allan Haggett" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Inspinning Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:37:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org OKOK, I *had* to post about this, since Inspinning is something I love to do :) I didn't really want to get into the whole ADD issue with this, but Alex does open a little sardine tin(not a full can) of worms for me on this post. I wrote Jane J. about this a few weeks back and it seemed to me I it figured as: Spinning = 360, Inspinning = 540, Double Spinning = 720, Double Inspinning = 900 (anyone hit double inspinning anything?? ) SO, though I cannot truly advocate a "half-add" system because of the complexity of the issue and how little I have actually pondered the concept, in this case it would seem as though a half-add would be a logical thing as it applies to spins. I dunno though. Alex, adds don't matter ;) LOL Allan "Dizzy" Haggett From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jun 28 15:01:04 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17770 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:01:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09253 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:57:16 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f152.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.152]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31943 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:57:12 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:56:42 -0700 Received: from 207.66.203.99 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:56:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.66.203.99] From: "matthew heide" To: foot_bag@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] recovering from injuries Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:56:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2001 23:56:42.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0413240:01C0FF64] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: ERiC WiNDSoR >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] recovering from injuries >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:08:27 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi List. > >I have a thigh injury that developed gradually from >footbagging. The last time I kicked was at the San >Fransisco jam a little over 2 months ago. It just got Yo Eric, About two years ago i really buckled my knee while skateboarding. I waited for about three months for the knee to heal, I went to a doctor but he wasn't a lot of help. So I wore a brace for the next year while I played footbag. Sometime my knee feels kinda squishy and swells up so I have to take a week off or so from kickin'. It does suck but what can you do. My advice is to strech well and give youself some time to warm up before shredding hard. Take care. Matthew _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 29 13:41:44 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26841 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:41:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18159 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:36:49 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) id <0GFN04M01W55A8@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:36:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0GFN04L92W55PQ@clem.mscd.edu>; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:36:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:25:16 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Inspinning To: Allan Haggett , freestyle Message-id: <3B25796A@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Allan Haggett ===== >>Spinning = 360, Inspinning = 540, Double Spinning = 720, Double Inspinning = >900 Hi all, I think I disagree with Allan's break down. I guess it would depend on the move, but I think a spin is really only 180 when hitting moves like spinning clipper, mirage, gyro mirage, butterfly, whirl.... However, when hitting moves like spinning osis, mobius, s paradox blender, or others ending in an osis, it brings the spin around a bit more but still not quite 360. And for inspinning, double spinning, and double inspinning you tack on another 180 in the same order. So it would be 280,360,540,720. And those aren't even totally accurate break downs because it depends on the move. Regardless of all that, Inspinning is a bit more difficult than spinning and double spinning more difficult than inspinning and so on, but not worthy of a whole add. There's really a gap in here somewhere. Because it kind of fits into that whole line of easy and hard moves with the same add count. Like toe drifter and butterfly. Atom Smasher (xdex) and Ripwalk...etc. Okay I'm boring, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 29 13:42:32 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26858 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:42:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from myrealbox.com (mail.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.201]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21629 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:27:19 -0700 Received: from casey [63.14.53.196] by myrealbox.com with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.75.1.6 $; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <004301c10064$81299480$0600a8c0@casey> From: "casey jones" To: References: <200106281950.MAA16730@list.footbag.org> Subject: [freestyle] Re: Cross-training, Free Right Laver Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:26:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i've been using my bike for transportation for quite a while. i think that it helps my freestyle overall, but it does make the leg muscles a little bulkier. The other thing to watch oot for -- obviously -- would be injuries while cross-training. i just hurt my the inside of my knee in a mild bike crash yesterday (hopefully i should be better soon -- it's just a bad bruise). So be careful. Make sure not to overexert your leg muscles with other activities either. i think that while cross-training might detriment your coordination and nimbleness slightly, it will add to your endurance and possibly help prevent muscle and/or joint injuries due to stress from freestyling by developing muscles. i'm a newbie of sorts though, so don't weigh my opinions too heavily. And now here is a rather strange offer i have: i have a spare right Chinese Laver lying around, since i foolishly managed to lose the left one. It is pretty broken in and modified; all laced up and everything. So if your right foot happens to need a fairly new Chinese Laver, it's all yours with shipping. E-mail me. Hope i can help someone with this somehow... See y'all at Worlds! Peace, - casey From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 29 13:43:59 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26897 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:43:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25253 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:49:15 -0700 From: "Damon Mathews" Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA10308 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:49:04 -0700 Received: from Damonmath@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id z.120.fb7bbf (15899) for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:48:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:48:20 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Earth Day Videos To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <120.fb7bbf.286e0b55@aol.com> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I just completed a series of Earth Day Videos posted at www.blurryworld.com. 8 of the 9 members of Blurred Vision participated in a twisted display of foot speed and flexibilty to the beat of a full on outdoor concert. 3 circles ranging in skill from newbie to BAP. Check out the top 3 performers' action as it took place live in Balboa Park in sunny San Diego, California at www.blurryworld.com. Later, Damon Mathews From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Jun 29 13:45:50 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26934 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:45:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26875 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:43:01 -0700 Received: from web11401.mail.yahoo.com (web11401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.231]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id NAA17917 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:42:50 -0700 Message-ID: <20010629204250.64011.qmail@web11401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.174.163.30] by web11401.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:42:50 PDT Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:42:50 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] Pdx Mirage and Bubba Sets To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, I was just wondering how far people have ventured into the world of paradox miraging and bubba sets. What are some moves people have hit from these sets? They seem impossible to hit clean. While I'm on the subject of clean. I don't think people should post about moves like gyro riptide and fairy spinning whatever torque unless you have them on video and know for a fact they were 100% clean. NOTHING personal (Matt Cross, you know I think you're groovy). These are crazy moves. But when you post about them, people think (even though they may not know for sure), "OK, Slurging Butterfly Swirl... WOOOO HOOOO!" POST THE VIDEOS! :-) Later, James Risden P.S. www.blurryworld.com It's a full site now. With videos and trading cards and........wow, it's so cool. You can even design your own footbag! :-) Ryan's site is dope too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/