From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:06:48 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25665 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:06:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27109 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:03:12 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA18660 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:03:01 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) id <0GFP05S01MH0ED@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #46115) with ESMTP id <0GFP05S1CMGZBC@clem.mscd.edu>; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:02:59 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:51:32 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Pdx Mirage and Bubba Sets To: freestyle , James Risden Message-id: <3B25BD02@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From James Risden ===== >I was just wondering how far people have ventured into >the world of paradox miraging and bubba sets. What >are some moves people have hit from these sets? They >seem impossible to hit clean. I think Ken Somolinos told me he hit Clipper set Flux. A while back Me, Jon, and Daryl tried to figure out pdx Stepping Butterfly and Paradox Ripwalk but none us got them. Daryl has also hit Myxzlplyk (bubba op butterfly), and I think Tim Kelley hit that long ago as well. I hear Blurry Blur was just hit in San Fran. Now abut the stuff below. Isn't it a total contradiction to what you are asking above. You want people tell what they hit with Pdx Mirage and Bubba Sets, but then they aren't supposed to tell unless they can post the vid clip also? James I love you man, so don't take any of this wrong. Not everyone has a video camera, and if they do they don't necessarily bring it to every session, and even then not everyone knows how to or has the necessary time or computer programs to post the things they hit. In addition, I personally manage to hit ALL of my best shit when there is no camera around. By the way it's not on video, but I hit Triple Pixie at Daryl and Sunny's wedding last week. Yay me :) So I say post away and someone will snatch you at the next tournament and make you prove it. Later all, Brad >While I'm on the subject of clean. I don't think >people should post about moves like gyro riptide and >fairy spinning whatever torque unless you have them on >video and know for a fact they were 100% clean. >NOTHING personal (Matt Cross, you know I think you're >groovy). These are crazy moves. But when you post >about them, people think (even though they may not >know for sure), "OK, Slurging Butterfly Swirl... WOOOO >HOOOO!" >POST THE VIDEOS! :-) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:07:11 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25684 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:07:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27259 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:21:47 -0700 Received: from web11408.mail.yahoo.com (web11408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.238]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id OAA19328 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:21:36 -0700 Message-ID: <20010629212136.29472.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.174.163.30] by web11408.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:21:36 PDT Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:21:36 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: RE: [freestyle] Pdx Mirage and Bubba Sets To: Brad Kaplan , freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <3B25BD02@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Brad Kaplan wrote: > Now abut the stuff below. Isn't it a total > contradiction to what you are > asking above. You want people tell what they hit > with Pdx Mirage and Bubba > Sets, but then they aren't supposed to tell unless > they can post the vid clip > also? They don't really have to post the video. I guess I just can't believe some of the stuff that has been posted. If you narrow it down to all of the stuff people REALLY hit, I could take it a LOT better. :-) I'm blown away by moves like fairy marius, and blurry double ducking your mom swirl. > In addition, I personally manage to hit ALL of > my best shit when there is > no camera around. Me too, That's when I don't post :-) > By the way it's not on video, but I hit Triple > Pixie at Daryl and Sunny's > wedding last week. Yay me :) But, you are Brad. That is cake for you. Yay you. :-) Later, James Risden __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:08:17 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25699 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:08:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13601 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:42:53 -0700 Received: from saturn.wwc.edu (IDENT:postfix@saturn.wwc.edu [199.236.178.1]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31168 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:42:34 -0700 Received: from student.wwc (student.wwc [10.82.5.3]) by saturn.wwc.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 99E2F67673 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 17:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WWC-Message_Server by student.wwc with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 01 Jul 2001 17:42:22 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 17:42:14 -0700 From: "Erik Engeberg" To: Subject: [freestyle] cross body rake Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id RAA13602 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org me and my homey had an argument over the cross body rake. Is this a two or three add move? Somebody settle this for me please, theres money on the line. -EdE- From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:08:39 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25727 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:08:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18709 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:56:16 -0700 Received: from web13609.mail.yahoo.com (web13609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.9]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA21341 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:55:55 -0700 Message-ID: <20010702155555.36400.qmail@web13609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.20.132.209] by web13609.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 08:55:55 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:55:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Shaun Marques Subject: [freestyle] Tips on Barroque To: Shred MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Does anyone out there happen to have any tips on Barroque, or Grave Digger? And since I laid my hat on the topic of two relatively cool moves.. any tips on Blurriest/Blurrier? As for Grave Digger, I get the Step, plant, and the Torque but seem to fail to constantly catch the Osis. It's kind of disappointing. Ahren? Someone? Help!! Many thanks :) Shred on, Shaun __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:09:08 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25768 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:09:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18714 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:56:17 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f237.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.237]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA21344 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:55:56 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:43:56 -0700 Received: from 149.225.147.193 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 15:43:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [149.225.147.193] From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] bags Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 15:43:56 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 15:43:56.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDA62340:01C1030D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org has anyone found a good way to fix those small holes in one's footbag? and whats the best way to wash it? thanks in advance fabian css2 must have been the bomb _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:09:38 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25784 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:09:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20421 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:50:23 -0700 Received: from mail1.ats.rochester.edu (ms009h@mail1.ats.rochester.edu [128.151.224.31]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA32407 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:50:02 -0700 Received: from localhost (ms009h@localhost) by mail1.ats.rochester.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f62KpJk13845504 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 16:51:19 -0400 From: Mike Strumpf X-Sender: ms009h@mail1.ats.rochester.edu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] resurgence of milleniums? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all- I got a tip off a few weeks ago from Chad D. that the millenium lavers could be found in the adidas store in LA. I made it to the store yesterday, which is in Santa Monica, and guess what they had...both colors of China originals, and the milleniums. Odd thing is, every pair of milleniums that I've seen before have blue on the little rubber strip on the front of the toe, and blue on the back of the shoe, near the three stripe logo. Thing about these is that they are completely white. They also have special eyelets that say adidas on them (which I didn't remember, but I didn't want to get too quickly while Chad or Nate was kicking). Are these a new version of them? They aren't on the adidas website, but they seemed to have plenty of them in stock, and they probably have them at the other adidas stores in the US. Do any of you have this all white version? Not too many of you know me, but I'm Mike. I go to the University of Rochester, but I'm down here in LA for the summer. If any of you ever want to kick, just e-mail me. Hope to see y'all at worlds. Take it easy. Mike From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:10:07 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25810 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:10:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22179 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:07:28 -0700 From: MatthewL329@aol.com Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA08092 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:07:03 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id z.7c.17fed614 (4210) for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7c.17fed614.28727492@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:06:26 EDT Subject: [freestyle] NY stylers, shred the k-rockathon! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear New Yorkers, Every year, the "big cheese" rock station in Central New York has a huge rock concert to which tens of thousands of people come, and as far as I know, I'm the only freestyler that's been to any of the 5 previous ones. I'm going again this year to represent freestyle with "www.footbag.org" business cards and my Carol bag. I'd love to have some other people there to shred with... is anyone else going? please get in touch with me, and if you're not going, GO! It's always a fun time with thousands of people, and lots of music (this year, among others, we have Papa Roach, Staind, Crazy Town, Taproot, Nonpoint, and a few others). I'd love it if I'm not the only freestyler there, so go to www.krockathon.com for ticket information and stop by... Take care and keep it in the air... Matt From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:10:44 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25836 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:10:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28199 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:29:39 -0700 Received: from web12801.mail.yahoo.com (web12801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.36]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id PAA15253 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:29:14 -0700 Message-ID: <20010703222914.28657.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [163.41.63.158] by web12801.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 03 Jul 2001 15:29:14 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:29:14 -0700 (PDT) From: matt baker Subject: [freestyle] Proving what you hit To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I am just replying to james risden's comments about saying you have hit a move only if you have video to back it up! Well, what does it really matter if we have video to back it up? Some people enjoy sharing their happiness of things they accomplish with people who can share their joy also. Does it effect how we live our lives if a person chooses to tell us something they have done and has nothing to prove it with? Or maybe they never even hit that move and just want to sound cool? Does that affect us?? No! That only really effects the person who needs to deal with their own issues. I do not find it supporting of the sport or the people involved to say you need to constantly video tape yourself just to prove that you can do a certain thing. Eventually they are going to have to prove it in a circle or kicking with someone so why does it matter? Not all people are as good as you james. Maybe you could lighten up a little bit and just let people have their glory for a minute or two. I don't have enough money for a video camera. Do people not believe what I have hit because I am broke and can't afford to prove my skill? Sometimes this sport gets away from it's own foundation and just turns me off to it. Have a good day all I hope this all makes sense. peace matt p.s I hit nemesis to nemesis yesterday. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:11:18 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25865 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:11:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32755 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 09:56:05 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f71.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.71]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA19492 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 09:55:38 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 09:43:41 -0700 Received: from 207.148.139.83 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 16:43:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.148.139.83] From: "Rob Fuller" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] What is the name of this move? Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 10:43:41 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 16:43:41.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B7A3D30:01C104A8] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo!...uh...whats up! I have a move that I have been hitting for quite a while now but have never learned the proper name of it. I don't exactly know the jobs notation on it so I will try to describe it as best I can. I "think" this may be the notation but I will still Explain it afterwards toe>same in>spin (front)>same rake (the spin is a 180) So I guess from a right toe you would do a pixie set and then spin 180 degrees to the right and then do a rake with your right leg! Pixie Spinning Rake, me and my friends have been calling it Scythe and just wanted to know if there was a real name. Peace, Rob Fuller _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:12:08 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25896 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:12:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02018 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:04:24 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f11.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.11]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02411 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:03:56 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:51:39 -0700 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 23:51:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New 7add? Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:51:39 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 23:51:39.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[44A4F340:01C104E4] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, i'm just curious to know what big stepping or blurry set moves have been sealed, specifically has anyone hit a ducking blurry torque yet? That would be a 7add? clip> op in(dex)> duck(bod)> op in(pdx)(dex)> op clip(spin)(xbody)(del) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:13:14 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25937 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:13:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14791 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:57:37 -0700 Received: from ds9.bie.ispi.net (root@ds9.bie.ispi.net [206.131.202.23]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA20681 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:57:01 -0700 Received: from chrish.planetquake.com (chekov.bie.ispi.net [206.131.202.206]) by ds9.bie.ispi.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f66Jus110019 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 14:56:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010706144516.00ad7f00@mail.planetquake.com> X-Sender: shatter@mail.planetquake.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 14:52:57 -0500 To: Freestyle@footbag.org From: Chris Holden Subject: [freestyle] Does This Have a Name? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yesterday I hit this new move, see if any of you can tell me what I'm doing. I was going for a Ripwalk, but it ended in a Catwalk, like this: CLIP > OP IN [DEX] > SAME INSIDE [DEL] > OP OUT [DEX] > [LAND] OP CLIP [XBD] I'm going to try to make it to Chicago, I think it's next weekend for that tournament? Anyway, if any of you are there, I'll look for you! . Chris Holden mailto:cholden@4drulers.com http://www.4drulers.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:15:00 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25991 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:15:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14869 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:04:13 -0700 Received: from ewey.excite.com (ewey-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.191]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA20973 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:03:38 -0700 Received: from goochy.excite.com ([199.172.152.233]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010706200258.HEOE27213.ewey.excite.com@goochy.excite.com> for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:02:58 -0700 Message-ID: <16783820.994449778204.JavaMail.imail@goochy.excite.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Montreal Summer Challenge July 20-21-22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.13.32.90 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Shred Buddies! I hope your blades are as shard as... uh... blades! The MSC is coming up. It will be THE warm-up for Worlds. It's all happening on July 20-21-22 in Montreal, of course. We're having routines for intermediates and pros and our main event is an open sick10 contest. A bunch of top shredders have confirmed they will attend making this a premium east coast tourney. A premium tourney altogether actually. The site is renowned bar "Les Foufs" right downtown and offers beer for only 1$ for all players and spectators every evening after the competition. Although we had trouble securing sponsorships we have 700$ to offer as prize money, most probably more depending on how many enter the competition. If you want to attend please contact me - yax@footbag.org - and tell me if you need crash space. We have some left but not a lot. Also tell me what time you will be at the airport and we will try to send someone to pick you up. All the info on the tourney is posted on http://www.footbag.org/calendar/show/984694623. Driving directions will be added this week. See you all in Montreal. -Yacine "The Fiend" Merzouk _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:15:41 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26025 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:15:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03537 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:21:43 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f28.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.28]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA15324 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:21:00 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:20:29 -0700 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 01:20:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] 7 anyone? Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:20:29 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 01:20:29.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[577279A0:01C10815] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, recently my stepping set has just got a lot bigger,thanks to some attention to a couple of finer details.With this bigger set i can now duck it successfully.I'm curious to know what stepping ducking moves have gone down? Specifically any 7's like stepping ducking p. torque , p.s whirl or p. blender? There must be a couple of you out there quite close to some really insane tricks? go hard, Jono _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:16:22 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26050 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:16:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14368 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:47:33 -0700 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA17839 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:46:45 -0700 Received: from [10.0.5.71] (p1351.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.5.71]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09915 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:46:36 +1000 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mattsb@mail.ozemail.com.au Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:49:54 +1000 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Matthew Baker Subject: [freestyle] 45 Second Shred Competitions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I'm just trying to find out what sort of rules people have been using in 45 second shred contests. Steve Ramsey is trying to organise a tournament in Sydney to coincide with the extreme games, and I think it would be good to have this as an event. As far as I can tell looking at the Colorado Shred Symposium Results, there it was scored by, total adds, uniques, and ratio, where the uniques multiplied by the ratio was a bonus score. Are there any other alternative methods people have used (may be hard for us to count ratios and add totals with low manpower). Also, what format have people used for 'phat trick' competitions in the past? I am at this stage thinking 5 attempts at whatever move you like. I'd also like to thank the Wellington Crew for a big week of kicking, and Lynton for some serious shred down there as well. The southern hemisphere is really starting to crank it, and not just in Auckland. Thanks, -matt. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:17:46 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26101 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:17:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18518 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:56:35 -0700 Received: from radius.uti.hu (ns.uti.hu [213.163.24.1]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA10332 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:55:46 -0700 Received: from [213.163.25.101] (b-dial101.uti.hu [213.163.25.101]) by radius.uti.hu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f6AKtgM13327 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:55:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Gergo Csallo Subject: [freestyle] paradox, duck/dive, and traveling To: !Freestyle List Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:56:34 +0200 Lines: 11 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there! Though I am not such a god freestyler, a question bothers me. Can a move be double-paradox? I mean something like start with a pdx mirage, then continue the move to an other pdx move (blur???)... I read the FAQ, and started wondering... Duck and Dive means that you duck/dive BEFORE actually starting a trick. This means, that there is no "Stepping- Ducking Something". Or else, it isnt duck/dive, and also no adds for it? Please give me a clear explanation. Thanks in advance! OTHER: I will go to Germany, Denmark, Norway and Sweden this summer (July 14 - Aug 8). Please drop me a mail, if you live near Aschersleben (Germany), Oslo, Stockholm, Bergen and you would like to play. Thanks for this as well rebelkid From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Jul 11 09:19:43 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26170 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:19:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15042 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:30:13 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f36.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.36]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA04719 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:29:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:17:51 -0700 Received: from 216.27.144.67 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Jul 2001 04:17:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.27.144.67] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] ride to montreal summer challenge Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 00:17:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2001 04:17:51.0127 (UTC) FILETIME=[F54EE270:01C102AD] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hiya footbaggers, I was wondering if anyone from the eastcoast was going to the montreal summer challenge on the 20-21-22 of July. I'm in NYC and, well, need a ride. If anyone's in the Vermont area and is driving up, that would be cool too - I might fly up to Burlington. Please respond to me directly. And if you're not going, you should be! Hope everyone is having a great summer and is getting ready for worlds! -Stan Sagalovskiy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 12 13:21:48 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03366 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:21:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26760 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:06:51 -0700 Received: from web4406.mail.yahoo.com (web4406.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.37]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id LAA30478 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:06:00 -0700 Message-ID: <20010711180600.16208.qmail@web4406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.201.97.237] by web4406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:06:00 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Caleb Abraham Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proving what you hit To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <20010703222914.28657.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey fellow shredders, i felt the need to reply to this message in total agreement. one of the main reasons i like this sport is because it's so underground that all stylers are cool and they're the nicest people you'll ever meet. i never thought a styler could lie about what he/she hit. this sport is the purest game i've ever seen. almost like it's above cheating. videos of what you hit are cool. but i sincerely doubt you would need to post a video to get my belief of a trick. in conclusion i would just have to say lighten up fellas. this sport has a combination of being my life and being just for fun. i suggest to everyone to go shred right now to renew your love for the game like me :-) (just kidding) --- matt baker wrote: > Hey all, > I am just replying to james risden's comments about > saying you have hit a move only if you have video to > back it up! > > Well, what does it really matter if we have video to > back it up? Some people enjoy sharing their __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 12 13:22:18 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03371 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:22:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27389 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:44:10 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f121.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.121]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA02197 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:43:18 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:42:48 -0700 Received: from 137.151.124.52 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:42:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.151.124.52] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: igrecman@excite.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Montreal Summer Challenge July 20-21-22 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:42:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 19:42:48.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA329C00:01C10A41] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Yacine Merzouk >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Montreal Summer Challenge July 20-21-22 >Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Is this like the nicest guy in the world/coolest tournament arrangements ever... Yacine the Machine goes: <> Geez Yacine... I'm starting to wish i lived back there... anyone who lives in the vicinity has no excuse to not go Yacine will be your own personal travel agent. My best to all the Canadians, I'll learn French one of these days i swear. Good luck with the Jam. ~Bryan Fournier OOPS! Footbag Club LA,CA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 12 13:21:15 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03361 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:21:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26583 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:18:27 -0700 Received: from web11407.mail.yahoo.com (web11407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.237]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA28813 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:17:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20010711171735.32007.qmail@web11407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.174.164.239] by web11407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:17:35 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proving what you hit To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <20010703222914.28657.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- matt baker wrote: > Hey all, > I am just replying to james risden's comments about > saying you have hit a move only if you have video to > back it up! No, I mean for moves like surging butterfly swirl, you should have them on video and know they are clean before telling the world you hit them. Over 75% of surging sets I've seen in person are slurred to hell! If you remember right, I used to be sooo happy about my accomplishments that I would post 11 friggin' times a day! I finally hit fairy torque, woo hoo! With my weakside fairy set, boo ya. Later, James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 12 13:22:45 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03376 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:22:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28885 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:47:49 -0700 Received: from femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.147]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA10603 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:46:57 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([65.10.4.236]) by femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010711234650.LUZG59.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:46:50 -0700 Message-ID: <3B4CE7DB.1B5150A9@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:57:15 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] bags References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fabian Kollakowski wrote: > > has anyone found a good way to fix those small holes in one's footbag? > and whats the best way to wash it? Elmer's Stix-All. Put a little bit on you *clean* bag and smear it around with your finger. The thinner you do it, the better - you can always add more if need be. As for washing the bag, cold water and dish soap. > css2 must have been the bomb A little behind, huh? But, yeah... it was sweet. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 12 13:23:17 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03434 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:23:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29248 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:25:04 -0700 Received: from tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts7.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.40]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12073 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:24:11 -0700 Received: from dave ([64.230.81.209]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010712002339.BAJF6125.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@dave> for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:23:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c10a68$0c711a60$0b01010a@dave> From: "Dave Reid" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] bags Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:17:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Fabian Kollakowski" : > has anyone found a good way to fix those small holes in one's footbag? > and whats the best way to wash it? I have had good luck with something called "liquid stich", which I got from a fabric store. It came in a little tube and it holds very well with just a tiny little blob. (just don't get it on your shirt like I did...) I hand wash my footbags in a bucket with a little bit of laundry detergent, then kick dry. Matt Baker wrote: >p.s I hit nemesis to nemesis yesterday. My imaginary friend Billy hits this all the time and would like to call it a Billywalk. Dave From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 12 13:23:59 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03459 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:23:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29258 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:25:12 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f160.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.160]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12090 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:24:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:23:50 -0700 Received: from 24.10.132.180 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:23:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.10.132.180] From: "Rob Fuller" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Pdx Mirage and Bubba Sets Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:23:50 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 00:23:50.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC719DB0:01C10A68] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org No offence hear James (Because I kind of understand what you are saying) but not everyone can can afford a video camera, or the equipment to put it on a computer, and you can't honestly be expected to capture every moment of every session on tape. Sometimes, I wake up in the middle in the night and can't get back to sleep for like an hour, and for some reason I am FULLY awake and not tired at all, so I shred, and I seem to shred best at night, do you expect to get a camera hooked up (I don't even have one but...) and shred simply because now its verifiable, and not shred if I can't find the camera! Again, sorry man but, I just thought I'd mention it. Peace, Rob "The Frog" Fuller _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 12 13:24:31 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03473 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:24:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29302 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:30:56 -0700 Received: from femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.147]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12367 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:30:04 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([65.10.4.236]) by femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010712002959.NMBZ59.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:29:59 -0700 Message-ID: <3B4CF1F7.D346F3DF@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:40:23 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gergo Csallo , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] paradox, duck/dive, and traveling References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Gergo Csallo wrote: > > Though I am not such a god freestyler, a question bothers me. Can a move be double-paradox? Nope. Maybe it can be paradox and have an x-dex, but I'm not too sure about that either... anyone? > I read the FAQ, and started wondering... Duck and Dive means that you duck/dive BEFORE actually starting a trick. This means, that there is no "Stepping- > Ducking Something". Or else, it isnt duck/dive, and also no adds for it? Please give me a clear explanation. Thanks in advance! Yep. You got it. A ducking torque is a torque after a duck. A torque with a duck after the first dex is a stepping ducking opposite side osis. A while back, someone was talking about using the "alpine" concept to mean "duck after the first dex". So, alpine blur would be a blurry ducking mirage. Alpine fog would be a blury ducking dlo. Alpine legbeater would be an atomic ducking butterfly. Alpine toe blur would be pure hell. Etc... Personally, I like this concept - it fills a gap. Any comments? -Derric > > OTHER: > I will go to Germany, Denmark, Norway and Sweden this summer (July 14 - Aug 8). Please drop me a mail, if you live near Aschersleben (Germany), Oslo, > Stockholm, Bergen and you would like to play. > Thanks for this as well > > rebelkid From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 12 13:24:56 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03491 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:24:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29648 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:27:44 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f43.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.43]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA14561 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:26:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:26:21 -0700 Received: from 24.4.252.5 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:26:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.4.252.5] From: "Jake Milofsky" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] bags Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:26:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 01:26:21.0957 (UTC) FILETIME=[A89DA350:01C10A71] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >has anyone found a good way to fix those small holes in one's footbag? The best method I've heard of is to cover the hole with a piece of cloth band-aid. I do this myself and I think it works pretty well. See you all in the Golden State. Jake Milofsky Lewisburg, PA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 12 13:25:27 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03522 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:25:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30244 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:23:04 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f40.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.40]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA18711 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:22:12 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:21:37 -0700 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:21:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] double dexing drifters Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:21:37 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 03:21:37.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2DFF280:01C10A81] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i'm curious to know the extent of trickery people have reached with the double dexing drifters, i've recently acquired paradox barrage to the repetoire, i'm wondering whether atomic,pixie,fairy or stepping high plains drifter has been pulled. Just letting the imagination go wild jono _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 12 13:25:45 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03548 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:25:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02910 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:33:40 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f6.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.6]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA11351 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:32:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:20:33 -0700 Received: from 128.214.157.120 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:20:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.214.157.120] From: "Samuli Viitanen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Double duck Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:20:32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 17:20:33.0144 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4FB7F80:01C10AF6] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi list. I discovered a new world a few weeks backwards when I hit a double ducking thing which goes like this: Start from a clipper delay -> do a normal duck -> then do it mirrored back (a dive) -> end on the same clipper started. I'll say this in an other way to make it very clear to you all:) left foot clipper -> duck (bag goes up behind neck from right side to left) -> dive (dive the bag from left to right, so that bag comes domwn from right) -> end on a left clipper. So it's like a ducking diving clipper. I have so far hit it only to clipper and Justin Sexton and Mika da Iceman told it was super clean. anyone else hit this? I know that shredonlon has hit double ducking stuff, but how about this? Just can't wait that the Euro masters start. -Samuli Viitanen, Team Finland _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 12 13:26:21 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03575 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:26:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f5.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.5]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03069 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:53:53 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:52:28 -0700 Received: from 24.1.208.193 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:52:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.1.208.193] From: "Sun Tzu" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] 6-add? Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:52:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 17:52:28.0580 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AABD640:01C10AFB] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, I hit a blurry DaDa curve last week, is that 6 adds or only 5 adds? and explain if only 5. Thanks RIDDLE: If a tree falls in the middle of the forest and smashes your video camera, did the tree actually fall? ---Nate the Great Soul of Smashing _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:17 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00497 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29840 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:11:58 -0700 Received: from web5304.mail.yahoo.com (web5304.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.113]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id XAA16714 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:10:51 -0700 Message-ID: <20010716061050.19794.qmail@web5304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.144.74] by web5304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:10:50 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:10:50 -0700 (PDT) From: lon smith To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What in the world is a swoop to you? To me it is a gyro ducking cliper stall but to others I have heard it might be an inside pick-up. thanks, lon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:17 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00495 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA00683 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:06:45 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f101.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.101]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA23970 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:06:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 03:53:57 -0700 Received: from 203.96.111.200 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:53:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.96.111.200] From: "Liam Johnston" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Laver search Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:53:57 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 10:53:57.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D1167C0:01C10DE5] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A friend of mine was wanting to know if any of you know of any shoe stores in the NY area which sell Rod Lavers. Failing that, is there anyone out there in email land who's willing to part with/sell a size 10-11 Lavers? Email me privately. Thanks for any help at all :) Liam -The Rod- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:26 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00546 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA10178 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:03:37 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f4.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.4]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA21856 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:02:39 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 06:02:09 -0700 Received: from 210.64.36.220 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:02:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.64.36.220] From: "Jordan Arron" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] serious injuries and the return to original form. Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:02:09 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 13:02:09.0602 (UTC) FILETIME=[06907A20:01C10B9C] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I've recently received the worst ankle sprain of my life, complete with a visit to the emergency room and a blunt discussion about the possiblity of surgery. Needless to say, I'm stuck with crutches for the next two weeks and then I may be faced with having to deal with the loss of my weakside cliper. Does anyone out there have a similar experience and how they managed to successfully and safely bring their clipper back to their original form? Thanks, Jordan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00533 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12740 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:59:13 -0700 Received: from web11605.mail.yahoo.com (web11605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.57]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id NAA04405 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:58:14 -0700 Message-ID: <20010713205814.1822.qmail@web11605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.181.145.97] by web11605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:58:14 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:58:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Eli Zohar Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] bags To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org No, no, no. You're all wrong :). The best way to patch your footbags is with Silicon sealant- the stuff used for aquarium glass. It is the absolute most flexible and durable bag mender available. I've used Elmer's Stix-all, cloth band-aids, fabric glue, shoe goo, etc., and Silicon is by far the best. Scalf had it right about application though: "Put a little bit on you *clean* bag and smear it around with your finger. The thinner you do it, the better." Be sure to wipe that Silicon off your finger before it dries. It's just messy, not harmful to touch. Cool, later. Eli Piltz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00536 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA09674 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:44:08 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (oe26.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.83]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA19919 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:43:11 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 04:42:41 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [202.161.109.72] From: "Brian kvs" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] bags Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:49:33 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2001 11:42:41.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC4D4E50:01C10B90] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mate the best way to wash your Hacky is to put in Water, but not for too long because then the colours bleed, it will look shrunken but it gets its shape back after a couple of moves And the holes, mate just grab a needle and thred and guess what, the hole is gone Brian From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:28 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00550 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04774 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:22:58 -0700 Received: from mg.hk5.outblaze.com (202-123-209-152.outblaze.com [202.123.209.152]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA27341 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:22:01 -0700 Received: from ws4.us.outblaze.com (ws4.us.outblaze.com [209.249.164.192]) by mg.hk5.outblaze.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f6CLHmQ19484 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:17:48 GMT Received: (qmail 2575 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Jul 2001 21:17:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20010712211747.2574.qmail@linuxmail.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws4.us.outblaze.com for [24.201.167.66] via web-mailer on Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:17:47 +0800 From: "Gabriel T.Gaudette" To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:17:47 +0800 Subject: [freestyle] The moves on video debate Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all There has been a big debate recentlly on the list about taping moves. Here are my two cents I agree with james. When you post on the list about a move, try to have it on camera first. Here's why : as much as i and others would like to hear about such moves as surging butterfly swirl, There is a place to justified doubt with certain moves. How can we know if a move was completely slurred or else fluffy? By a video demonstration. I know, not everybody has a camera or has hitted that particular move in front of a camera. But the fact remains that a move posted with a video will not be doubted by anyone. This subject brings me to another point : posting moves. If you post a move on the list without a video, it might be seen as a show-off attempt. I was a little troubled at first by james'posts, but seeing him play on tape, i realized that he is as good as his moves sounds. Plus Yacine told me he was the nicest guy. It is intresting to know how far the sport has gotten, but i don't think that the new big moves busted are the way to evaluate where the sport is now. I could start all of my strings with a pixie ducking something, but hitting, cleaning and nailing a pixie ducking midstring is something many times harder and not as common. What I am saying is : The moves posted might be terrific, but you can't really claim to MASTER it if you haven't hit it midstring a couple of times and, if possible, on both sides. However, if you master the move, Great! Unleash it in a circle at the least suspected time, and wait for the reaction of the crowd. usually, it doesn't takes long More people should do like James and tape as much shred footage as possible. Having a move on tape helps new players like me skool new moves with the techniques of master shredders. James, your devotion to filming shreds is a gift to us all. Keep on shredding everybody (and James thanks for that demonstration of Tombstone, i figured it out!) See you at the montreal summer challenge Gabriel T.Gaudette P.S. Don't misunderstand me : go HUGE as long as your legs can handle it! -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:26 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00545 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.147]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04483 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:19:00 -0700 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([65.10.4.236]) by femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010712221800.FJAT59.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dallasfootbag.org>; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:18:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3B4E2491.8750CECE@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:28:33 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sun Tzu CC: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] 6-add? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Tzu wrote: > > Hey guys, I hit a blurry DaDa curve last week, is that 6 adds or only 5 > adds? and explain if only 5. Thanks Hmmm... Technically, it would be 6 if it was REALLY clean. If it isn't clean - and you do the delay before your foot gets back to the xbdy position, you would lose the paradox part of it... and that makes it 5. It's hard enough to get the pdx dada clean. Blurry dada is even harder to hit clean. If you've ever seen me hit pdx or blurry dada, then you'll know what I'm talking about. I have that sloppy, scoopy style. Then, there's Peter - super clean with a huge symposium butterfly type thing at the end. On a related note - I've heard some people count the symposium add in a dada (which would make a clean blurry dada a 7 adder). But... as far as I'm concerned, "symposium" butterfly is never worth the extra add. Sorry Rippin' :) Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00511 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01194 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:36:47 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA14988 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:36:42 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-025 #46115) id <0GGL01Z015CW6L@clem.mscd.edu> for Freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:36:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-025 #46115) with ESMTP id <0GGL01Z015CW6K@clem.mscd.edu>; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:36:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:36:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Does This Have a Name? In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20010706144516.00ad7f00@mail.planetquake.com> To: Chris Holden Cc: Freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Chris Holden wrote: > Yesterday I hit this new move, see if any of you can tell me what I'm doing. > I was going for a Ripwalk, but it ended in a Catwalk, like this: > CLIP > OP IN [DEX] > SAME INSIDE [DEL] > OP OUT [DEX] > [LAND] OP CLIP [XBD] That would be called a "Jani Walker", first hit by Sunil Jani. You were trying for a Ripwalk and instead it turned into a Jani Walker...I think I'm going to be sick. Hope it was clean. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:21 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00524 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01207 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:44:33 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA15301 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:44:25 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-025 #46115) id <0GGL01Z015Q0NK@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-025 #46115) with ESMTP id <0GGL01Y015Q0WQ@clem.mscd.edu>; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:44:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:44:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] paradox, duck/dive, and traveling In-reply-to: To: Gergo Csallo Cc: !Freestyle List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Gergo Csallo wrote: > Though I am not such a god freestyler, a question bothers me. Can a move be double-paradox? I mean something like start with a pdx mirage, then continue the > move to an other pdx move (blur???)... Sort of! There are some moves that would seem to have a double paradox in them or a paradox like motion. Moves like Blurry Blur or blurry blizzard. Eric Wulff came up with the idea of an additional category called X-dex to gove another add to moves like this and other moves which may not even get a paradox add, but deserve one for their difficulty. Moves like Atom Smasher and Omlette. > I read the FAQ, and started wondering... Duck and Dive means that you duck/dive BEFORE actually starting a trick. This means, that there is no "Stepping- > Ducking Something". Or else, it isnt duck/dive, and also no adds for it? Please give me a clear explanation. Thanks in advance! Ducking and Diving can happen anywhere in a trick. If there is a step before it, it's refered to as stepping ducking or stepping diving. It would be cool if there were easier names for them so that it wasn't such a pain to say or type. hope this helps, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:20 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00512 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05098 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:32:07 -0700 Received: from hermes.pressenter.com (hermes.pressenter.com [209.224.20.19]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA00775 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:31:54 -0700 Received: from [209.224.33.189] (helo=default) by hermes.pressenter.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 15N3bL-0003Bu-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:31:44 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20010718214649.0068f244@pop.pressenter.com> X-Sender: mburman@pop.pressenter.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:46:49 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Gino Burman-Loffredo Subject: [freestyle] backflip rake? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The other day I was kickin the bag on my trampoline trying to think of moves and I ended up doing a rake backflip on the tramp. I then moved it to the ground and figured out that I could actually do the same move on the ground. I'm just calling it a rake backflip right know. What you do is set it right above your head and come over with one foot scooping it( like a bicycle kick in soccer) out of the air above you and coming over and landing it with it still on your foot. I'll try and video tape this move because it's pretty cool. I was also wondering if anybody does a heel pendelum? Please inform me if anybody does the raked backflip because right now I call it the "cyclo". Keep it chill, G-styler From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:23 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00534 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23841 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:09:58 -0700 Received: from gigi.excite.com (gigi.excite.com [199.172.152.110]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA00560 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:08:55 -0700 Received: from goochy.excite.com ([199.172.152.233]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010715060824.HNNW17455.gigi.excite.com@goochy.excite.com>; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:08:24 -0700 Message-ID: <23971691.995177304723.JavaMail.imail@goochy.excite.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:08:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Yacine Merzouk To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] It's all in the hips! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 216.13.32.71 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freeestyle world! I'm sending this message to all of you hoping it will help some to improve. Below you'll find advices about atomic sets and stepping sets. They were part of my chats with Rob Fuller (Calgary), Mark Leeman (Winnipeg) and Caleb Abraham (somewhere near Pittsburg) over the last few weeks. Here they are... ************** Yo! Uh... What's up... So let's talk about ripwalks and shit like that. I have a decent stepping set myself . Here's what I look for in the perfect stepping set. First of all. Never forget this set starts on a clipper. So make sure you land a perfect one. 1. hop and land when the bag touches your foot. 2. curl your toes into a fist. 3. turn your ankle sideways. 4. turn you torso sideways so you face your clipper. 5. lean over the bags so your eyes are always right over it. 6. spread your arms in a cross-like position for balance. 7. And bend that freakin' support leg dammit! More! Always bend it A LOT! Ok... Here you are. You have the best clipper in the universe. Or you'd like to believe so. Now here's what you need to do next and in what order you should be doing. 1. SET THE BAG STRAIGHT UP. Actually this applies to almost every single move in freestyle footbag. If you don't set straight up you might be able to do a move easier but the stall will be harder. ANd what's a move without a stall. That's right - it's a drop. How high should you set the bag? Depends on what move you want to hit. waist-high is good for most moves - for me. 2. JUMP WHILE YOU SET. You have about 1 second after the bag leaves your foot before it falls back on it - or the ground. Jumping while you are setting will save some time. Make sure you don't jump before you set though. You can't set the bag straight up that way. 3. LIFT YOUR KNEE. Don't be lazy. The higher you lift your knee the more space you have to clear the dexterity. 4. LAND. Now if you really did jump while you were setting you probably noticed that both of your feet are in the air for a moment. Your setting leg has to be back on the ground before you can complete the dexterity. The beautiful thing is that lifting your other knee when you're jumping will help you bring that setting leg back on the ground quicker. 5. MOVE YOUR DEX LEG OUT OF THE WAY. Now that you have one foot on the ground it's going to be very easy to move your dexterity leg sideways to complete the dex. Doing this with both your legs in the air is almost impossible. I've been told it has something to do with physics. But that might just be a rumor. 6. PLANT YOUR DEX LEG. Faster is better but don't rush it too much. 7. BUST A MOVE. Now both of your legs are on the ground and the bag is still in the air probably even going up! Just bust a move. butterfly = ripwalk or setpping butt. mirage = stepping mirage or blur. etc. You might not actually have the time to plant both of your legs and just stare at the bags when you hit harder move like blurriest but that's another story altogether. You should be ok with these hints for now. 8. BRAG. nuff said. Hopefully this will help you out. -Yax ***************** Yo! Now here's something I can help you with: Atomic sets. Now look at your thigh. Raise your leg so it's parallel to the ground. See the distance between your knee and you hip? That's where the dex is cleared. It's not a big window. So you have to keep your set quite close to your body. So now you know where to set it - close enough to your body - you need to make sure the bag is going STRAIGHT UP. Nothing else is good. Once you set the bag you'll notice that both of your feet are in the air at the same time. That's not good. Why? Because it's a lot harder to crank your hips when you're not touching the ground. But you can't do anything about that. What you CAN do though is try to plant as fast as possible. Keep your setting foot motion really small and tight. If you don't lift your foot too high it will be back on the ground in no time. While you're waiting for your setting foot to be back on the ground don't waste your time trying to crank your hips. You know it's hard. So just lift your need straight up. That will even help your foot back on the ground faster. Once your setting foot IS one the ground turn your hips sideways like your life depended on it. Don't crank your hips before you have the support of... uh... a support leg! Once the bag pops up straighten those hips and bust any move you know. Mirage - atom smasher or tap. buttrfly - legbeater or atomic butt. double-over down swirl - fusion swirl! So let's go over what you need to do and in which order: 1. Set straight up. 2. Set close to you. 3. Quick and small setting foot motion. 4. After the set just lift your dexing leg knee up. 5. Plant your setting foot. 6. Crank your hips 7. Look at the bag pop up so high you can duck it! 8. Brag. I hope this will help you out. See you soon Mark. -Fiend *********** "It's all in the hips." -Chubs from Happy Gilmore "Chubs knows his shit" -Yacine from Montreal _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:20 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00515 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13336 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:40:01 -0700 Received: from madonna.siteprotect.com (madonna.siteprotect.com [64.41.120.23]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA10608 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:39:01 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (011gra029.chartermi.net [24.247.11.29]) by madonna.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32554 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:39:00 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:44:17 -0400 Subject: [freestyle] Subway "foot bag" promotion item From: ryan masuga To: footbag Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Has anyone seen Subway's new Street Sports collection of toys? One of them is a 'foot bag'. It's a cheap little bag that looks somewhat like those old yellow and pink 'bags' and has a cartoon kid on it saying "Kick It!". I thought it was great for two reasons: a) Footbag is presented in a popular food chain along side a miniature version of those scooters from hell and other forgettable knick knacks that serve no purpose, and b) they actually called it a footbag (more or less). I didn't see the words Hacky Sack anywhere. So, which one of you is working in Subway's upper management? ryan masuga -- maHUGEa 3cfd 3rd Coast Footbag Dept. http://www.masuga.com/3cfd (requires Flash 5 plug-In) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:17 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00496 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01581 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:23:55 -0700 Received: from web14404.mail.yahoo.com (web14404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.61]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id UAA26245 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:23:48 -0700 Message-ID: <20010717032346.4902.qmail@web14404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.220.162] by web14404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:23:46 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:23:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Sharber Subject: [freestyle] Houston area kicking partners? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all! I have not been on here in about 5 years but I just got some new lavers and an increase in free time!! It is great to be back though I am a bit rusty...Anyone who is in Houston send me an email and we will get together. And 'hi' to any and all of the Austin contingent if any of you are still on here from back when I lived there. Later. Dan ===== CD-r's for trade: www.angelfire.com/tx4/dsharber __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:28 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00549 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05984 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:03:44 -0700 Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA01006 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:02:47 -0700 Received: from psu.edu (tnt3-168-162.cac.psu.edu [130.203.168.162]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA75706; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:02:44 -0400 Message-ID: <3B4E810B.D59EB030@psu.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:03:07 -0700 From: Kaiser Ahmad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Caleb Abraham CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proving what you hit References: <20010711180600.16208.qmail@web4406.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does everyone have a video camera at home? No. Should everyone be inclined to post videos of their moves on the list? No. You do what you want and do what you feel is right. However, in James's defense, there are kickers out there that do talk a lot of talk that they can't back up. It does not make them a bad person, but James is not wrong in wanting to see whether or not a move is clean. On the same note, this does not make it mandatory to post videos of your moves, but if you would like to accommodate the rest of the footbag community, and are able to, (you have a camera and some time) then go ahead and post. I am not trying to point fingers and say that there are a bunch of liars in the world of footbag, but there are a lot of people out there that don't know the difference between a paradox da da curve and a paradox drifter. They might hit the paradox da da (or a paradox double butt cheek over), and claim that they hit the paradox drifter on the list. Other moves may apply as well. In short, I think that the majority of people who claim that they hit a move falsely are doing it unknowingly. Yes, there are people in the world who claim to have hit a move and really haven't. Trust me, I've met some of them. And then there are people who falsify their accomplishments unknowingly. Yes, we all should lighten up, and yes, footbag is just suppossed to be fun, and no, you are not inclined to make videos and post. Hope I haven't pissed anyone off. LordK.Soze PennStateTrio NYFA Caleb Abraham wrote: > hey fellow shredders, > i felt the need to reply to this message in total > agreement. one of the main reasons i like this sport > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:26 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00548 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03976 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:59:07 -0700 Received: from pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA21482 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:58:12 -0700 Received: from ghostpirate ([64.160.24.210]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GGD00GLDOWZDT@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:57:01 -0700 From: Chris Pinkus Subject: Re: [freestyle] bags To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <002001c10b15$3323fda0$d218a040@ghostpirate> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I usually carry floss with a needle with me at all times. If you know how to sew a simple knot, you can just sew up a hole, and not have to worry about the thread tearing because its flexible, and waterproof (up to a point). I wash my footbag in a little bowl with some very mild dish cleaner. Chris Pinkus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabian Kollakowski" To: Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 8:43 AM Subject: [freestyle] bags > > has anyone found a good way to fix those small holes in one's footbag? > and whats the best way to wash it? > > thanks in advance > > fabian > > css2 must have been the bomb > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Jul 21 07:03:21 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00521 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:03:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14319 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:34:02 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f82.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.82]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA14827 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:33:03 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:32:33 -0700 Received: from 66.74.18.59 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:32:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.74.18.59] From: "Elliott Husted" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proving what you hit Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:32:33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 01:32:33.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAD9E4C0:01C10C04] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mark here....the lone Fresno boy, In response to what Mr. Matt Baker said to James about only being able to bust a move if you got it on vid.... you said it Matt. I don't have money for a video camera either and always hit better stuff when out of a circle or by myself. That's just the way it is. When skooling a move and hitting it for the first time "almost" all of the time there will not be a video camera to show what you did. All of this whose better than who crap really gets to me. Let's just kick in a circle like we have for years and when someone goes long or goes big give them their props and it's a done deal. I believe footbag has two personality types. People who like to have fun and people who want to be famous for something they accomplished. Let's not all jump to the mike at once for that famous speech and for once just shred and have some F&*%$#G FUN!!!!! Peace & Prosperity to all who shred, Mark _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 26 22:17:00 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01752 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:17:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01730 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:48:59 -0700 Received: from web4603.mail.yahoo.com (web4603.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.158]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA17090 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:41:00 -0700 Message-ID: <20010721174059.1097.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.93.48.158] by web4603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:40:59 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:40:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Blaine Grider Subject: [freestyle] footbags in london To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello everyone, my name is blaine and i am a fairly new hackster and i have much interest in the sport. however, i cant seem to find a decent bag in london! if you have any idea where to find one, i would really appriciate your suggestion! thanks, blaine ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 26 22:16:39 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01747 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:16:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05004 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:41:41 -0700 From: Josh Johnson Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA29674 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:41:28 -0700 Received: from Zuyot@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id z.82.d3c2966 (4332) for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <82.d3c2966.28878692@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:40:50 EDT Subject: [freestyle] 5 add? [reverse tapping drifter] To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I started hitting this trick a couple days ago and I was wondering if anyone else was hitting it or knew of anyone that was. CLIP > SAME IN [PDX][DEX] > SAME OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] Its like the begining of a paradox mirage into a butterfly. Just checkin! Thanx. Serve it up! -Josh- From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 26 22:17:26 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01757 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:17:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01794 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:25:24 -0700 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA18053 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:17:25 -0700 Received: from sam (CBL234.pool006.CH001-glendale.dhcp.hs.earthlink.net [24.41.9.234]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23340 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004b01c7cbc3$55e3c440$ea092918@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: References: <20010713205814.1822.qmail@web11605.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] bags Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:17:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I, personally, intone ohms at my bag and redirect its cranial sacral fluid with about 4 grams of pressure until all the fascia becomes nice and lubricated. Kneed pannels and efflurage until golder brown...er... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Zohar Piltz" > No, no, no. You're all wrong :). The best way > to patch your footbags is with Silicon sealant- > the stuff used for aquarium glass. I'm Eli. Actually I recently discovered that silicone is a great way to patch bags. So if you didn't believe it that just Eli said so (I hear things :c) You can take it from me. Also, everyone make sure to use cold water when washing bags and remember, the best way to let a bag dry is let it sit overnight. It 's better for the bag than putting it in a washer. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 26 22:19:25 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01787 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:19:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04111 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:04:46 -0700 Received: from web5303.mail.yahoo.com (web5303.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.112]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id CAA15528 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:56:42 -0700 Message-ID: <20010723095641.8957.qmail@web5303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.144.74] by web5303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:56:41 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: lon smith Subject: [freestyle] BAP players meeting To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello fellow BAPonions. I do here declare my two cents worth that under the condition of worlds there be: A meeting to talk about not only inducting others but also forming an outline of the entire footbag moves list. Reason. # 1). Everyone should be in agreement that all the moves are on the moves list. Reason # 2). All moves on the moves list have the correct add. Reason # 3). The consecutive record for each move is listed no matter what the add. Reason # 4). So that all moves have the correct name. Reason # 5). Every move's namer=inventor=master is writen on the list so that we will know it was they who were responsible for whatever the name may be. For example: who named atom smasher?? I don't know but it's a pretty #%*&!ng awesome name. Reason # 6). I want the moves list to have this for every move Name-swadda ADDs-5 creator-Lon Record-1 Description-pixie symposium butterflying swirl. Video Link-swadda.vid .org You get the picture. Sound good! Great We'll meet after the first day of competition is over. We could meet after dinner in one of the hottel rooms if someone offers or possibly just in the restaurant. Thanks for listening to my proposal. Any response is seriously appreciated. Sloth Out __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 26 22:20:25 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01805 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:20:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04174 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:19:18 -0700 Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA18308 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 05:11:12 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:11:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA88012F3674@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Does This Have a Name? Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:11:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I don't think this is jani walker.. there's an inside delay after the first dex.. This would be a combo of clipper, mirage (ending on inside stall), butterfly stall. Cool in any case, but not jani walker. Bob Riefer Philly Footworks > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Kaplan [mailto:kaplanb@mscd.edu] > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 5:37 PM > To: Chris Holden > Cc: Freestyle@footbag.org > Subject: Re: [freestyle] Does This Have a Name? > > > On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Chris Holden wrote: > > Yesterday I hit this new move, see if any of you can tell > me what I'm doing. > > I was going for a Ripwalk, but it ended in a Catwalk, like this: > > CLIP > OP IN [DEX] > SAME INSIDE [DEL] > OP OUT [DEX] > > [LAND] OP CLIP [XBD] > > That would be called a "Jani Walker", first hit by Sunil > Jani. You > were trying for a Ripwalk and instead it turned into a Jani Walker...I > think I'm going to be sick. Hope it was clean. > > Later, > Brad > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 26 22:21:05 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01824 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:21:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04524 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:54:38 -0700 Received: from mailgate.alpinebiz.com (mailgate.alpinebiz.com [207.99.86.50]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA27627 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:46:32 -0700 Received: from no.name.available by mailgate.alpinebiz.com via smtpd (for footbag.org [209.125.90.4]) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2001 17:42:18 UT Received: by alpinemail.alpinebiz.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3TGZD68W>; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:40:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Rice, Michael" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Kicking in NJ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:40:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, my name is Mike, and a beginning freestyler from the central NJ area. My friend and I are trying to get together with people in the area that are interested in kicking. If anyone is in the area, or will be that they know of, and would like to shred with us please drop me a line. Thanks, Mike From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 26 22:22:04 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01841 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:22:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA05042 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:07:02 -0700 Received: from web12808.mail.yahoo.com (web12808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.43]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id UAA14565 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:58:53 -0700 Message-ID: <20010724035849.67784.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.254.129] by web12808.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:58:49 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:58:49 -0700 (PDT) From: matt baker Subject: Re: [freestyle] Proving what you hit To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I think about all this video stuff and my major point is this... Footbag is something we do!!! I do not know why I spend so much time kicking a little bag around but I do know is that I do it because it is fun. I do not live for it! I can still function if I don't kick or if I don't read the digest. What I am saying is that we don't need to be so anal about petty stuff like if someone hit a move or not. It is a move upon thousands of moves that have been hit or will be hit! It is a bag it is legs virtually doing the same thing over and over again. Why do we worry so much about this little bag when there are many more serious issues in this world to be thinking about. If someone says they hit a move lets encourage them. I like this sport because of the people who I have encountered in this journey. I do not like this sport for the anal competitive male egotistic thing that goes on. I just think that we should be supportive of this sport and the people who play even if they lie. Otherwise you are going to tear your own sport down and not encourage people to play. peace matt p.s I hit quantam spinning ducking symposium whirling swirl BOOOYAAAA!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 26 22:23:43 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01888 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:23:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA05170 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:11:46 -0700 From: Matthew Cross Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA14737 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:03:38 -0700 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id z.dc.97774c7 (4198) for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:03:06 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Names for Dragon variations? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear Footbag Community, This past weekend at the Montreal Shred Fest was spectacular, but as always, all my progress shows up AFTER the events ;) Today, I hit 5 or so Butterfly Swirling Dragons, and I froze the dragon before either setting from xbody, or spinning it around to an outside delay. So I'm wondering... is this named? Is this the calibre of trick that the rest of the freestyle community thinks deserves a name? Any thoughts? Matthew Cross From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 26 22:24:26 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01906 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:24:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06492 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:54:58 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f15.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.15]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA27286 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:46:47 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:46:17 -0700 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:46:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] chinese lavers Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:46:17 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 03:46:17.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C33F280:01C114BC] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, i've heard all the gossip about the new chinese lavers and my old lavers have probally got no more than a few months left in them, this being the case i thought i'd make the strategical purchase of a new pair. If anyone knows how they may be acquired i am very willing to send them the money via western union covering the shoes and postage, cheers in advance Jono (newzealand) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 26 22:24:53 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01917 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:24:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00419 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:13:32 -0700 Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA02302 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:05:12 -0700 Received: from psu.edu (tnt1-161-152.cac.psu.edu [130.203.161.152]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA70800 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:05:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3B5F5ED1.389DA635@psu.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:05:37 -0700 From: Kaiser Ahmad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] The 1st Montreal Summer Freestyle Challenge Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, everyone. Just wanted to rub it in for all of you that didn't attend the Montreal Summer Freestyle Challenge. It was too much fun. I haven't had fun like this at a footbag event for a while. The venue was too good to be true. It was in the middle of a huge club/bar in front of a crowd of people whose eyes grew larger with every trick. Anyways, on behalf of the PennStateTrio, I just wanted to send out thanks to the entire Montreal crew. Especially to Yacine Merzouk, Sebastian Duchene, and Sebastian's mom for letting the Trio raid her home for the weekend. Some sick freestyle took place, but I'll stop here so Team Montreal can give you all of the gory details. Just remember this, go to tournaments. It helps support the sport that we love and it will help you improve your freestyle game. LordK.Soze PennStateTrio NYFA P.S. Yacine and Sebastian are good at footbag. P.P.S. Alex Faber is good at driving me to Canada. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Jul 26 22:25:20 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01929 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:25:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00922 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:12:01 -0700 Received: from web11402.mail.yahoo.com (web11402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.232]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id AAA30994 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:04:18 -0700 Message-ID: <20010726070418.19914.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.174.169.204] by web11402.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:04:18 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] 5 ADD moves in runs. To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, How many unique 5 ADD moves have been hit in a single run? Tonight I hit 8 1/2. I'm sure Peter, Ryan, and Ahren have hit 20+. You guys suck! :-P They were blurry whirl, blurry drifter, pdx torque, and paradox symposium whirl all both sides. After that I had my foot on a mobius. I'm gonna try for more when it's not 1:00 AM and I'm not all sore. Later, James Risden __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 30 00:49:07 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12496 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:49:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02959 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:05:37 -0700 Received: from www.purpleturtle.com (IDENT:root@purpleturtle.hosting.coconut.co.uk [213.167.73.10]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id XAA10347 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:57:50 -0700 Received: from www.purpleturtle.com:8026 (purpleturtle.hosting.coconut.co.uk [213.167.73.10]) by purpleturtle.hosting.coconut.co.uk [213.167.73.10] with SMTP for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 06:57:42 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:57:42 0100 From: "Allan Haggett" Subject: [freestyle] Richie Abshire and Tuan Vu RULE!! To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: Message-Id: <996217062.26070.33803@www.purpleturtle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Allan Haggett, on the other hand, should be barred from ever making another video ever again! I am sorry to spam the list for this, but as quite a few of you have downloaded it, I need to inform anyone who has seen my CSS2 video that I neglected to put BOTH Tuan Vu and Richie Abshire's name's in the credits. I feel a great amount of shame for having left out two great players name's and I hope both Tuan and Richie know how much I respect them :) Please forgive me!! Unfortunately it would seem as though I have misplaced some of the original clips, and as I have already made all the VHS copies that I am taking to World's it would be next to impossible for me to fix my error :( I'm going to hope that it wouldn't be too inappropriate for me continue to distribute this version and leave it online(with a mention of the names on the download page) until I can re-edit. Feedback on how much negative Karma I will receive for doing so is welcome :) Anyhow, I feel I have so much to say about so many things that have been posted over the past few weeks, I wish I had the time to articulate a thought about any of them.... I do think this "proving what you hit" thing is hilarious though. Some of you are pretty sensitive it would seem :) If it isn't on video, it didn't happen!! ;) Allan ___________________ www.freefootbag.org ___________________ - This email has been sent using TurtleMail - Get your free email address from www.purpleturtle.com now! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 30 00:49:57 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12509 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:49:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03730 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 21:50:13 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA01323 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:42:24 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-025 #39412) id <0GH502001IYDN7@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:42:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-025 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GH501YMDIYDNA@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:29:50 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] BAP players meeting To: freestyle Message-id: <3B5C07D6@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I see benefits in the proposal, such as BAP members having the experience of hitting almost every move that would be on the move list. However, I also think that the meeting should be left open to anyone who would like to have a say in the move list. Like I said BAP has the experience, but in my experience those who aren't in BAP tend to be more active on the list and more verbal on uniqueness, add count, and "New Move this and that". I also think it is a good move for the overall sport to be inclusive of all players big and small. That's my 2 pennies anyway! Brad >===== Original Message From lon smith ===== >Hello fellow BAPonions. >I do here declare my two cents worth that under the >condition of worlds there be: A meeting to talk about >not only inducting others but also forming an outline >of the entire footbag moves list. > From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 30 00:51:33 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12560 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:51:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA03973 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 03:11:13 -0700 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA10062 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:03:24 -0700 Received: from storefull-616.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-616.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.26]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 4411715FE for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-616.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id UAA03584; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:03:11 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRz8F+58wAmvhKURuy+MywzoJT4UAIUF5kFSlss/Yt9q6YgB98bUjX2dHQ= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 23:03:11 -0400 (EDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Looking for floorspace for Worlds Message-ID: <15344-3B622B6F-6233@storefull-616.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Anybody have floor space for a nice guy and girl from Michigan during Worlds? Write me back, not the list. Thanks, Greg From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 30 00:53:18 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12589 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:53:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10273 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 18:34:28 -0700 Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11920 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:26:33 -0700 Received: from acer ([24.67.188.141]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010729182627.PPMS6402.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@acer> for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:26:27 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c1185c$09705860$8dbc4318@ok.shawcable.net> From: "Jeff Lopes" To: Subject: [freestyle] Last-minute accommodations needed Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:26:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, I had planned to attend the worlds competition for open freestyle this year, but my plans have gone sour. My accomodations that I had made 3 months ago were with a friend of mine, and now he has some major family issues at the last minute and I can't stay with him. He was my shelter and bus partner to get around to all of the events. I have been working hard on my routine and this was going to be my first competition so I was really stoked. I already have a plane ticket ready to go and everything. So to cut to the chase here is my question. Is there anyone with crash space??? If its hotel I will help PAY. If its a house I will help around the house, do yard work, do dishes, vacuum, anything!!!!! Im really desperate here! If anyone can help me out it would be great, and much much much appreciated. Please reply by private e-mail. Jeff Lopes Kelowna Footbag From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Jul 30 00:54:00 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12601 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:54:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10231 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 18:31:23 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f17.hotmail.com [216.32.181.17]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11754 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:23:28 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:22:58 -0700 Received: from 194.100.167.160 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 18:22:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [194.100.167.160] From: "Jyri Ilama" To: Zuyot@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] 5 add? [reverse tapping drifter] Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 18:22:58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2001 18:22:58.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E8A2DC0:01C1185B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Josh wrote: >I started hitting this trick a couple days ago and I was wondering if >anyone >else was hitting it or knew of anyone that was. >CLIP > SAME IN [PDX][DEX] > SAME OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] >Its like the begining of a paradox mirage into a butterfly. >Just checkin! Thanx. That would be a Paradox Stepping Butterfly, 5 adds as you said in the topic.. (reverse tapping drifter would be a Quantum same side drifter..) I'm sure _someone_ has hit that trick of yours but can't tell you names.. :) Jyri Ilama _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 31 20:41:50 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29141 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:41:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17172 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:45:32 -0700 Received: from anotherthought (user-2ivf2rn.dsl.mindspring.com [165.247.139.119]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA03084 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2001 06:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001601c118fc$c22def20$778bf7a5@anotherthought> From: "Brian Bolduc" To: References: <200107301950.MAA16797@list.footbag.org> Subject: [freestyle] Hi all... I'm new Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:37:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just thought i'd drop everyone a line cause i'm new to the list. My name is Brian Bolduc and I live in Chapel Hill, NC. I'll be back at school at NCSU in Raleigh in the fall. I've been bagging for several years now and I've just started learning real tricks. I pulled off my first mirage yesterday. Anyway, Just thought I'd let you know I was here. Btw shouldn't there be other lists like the northeastern one? Aren't there other footbaggers in the world? ttyl Brian Bolduc From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Jul 31 20:43:54 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29185 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:43:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28520 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:16:08 -0700 From: Josh Johnson Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA23439 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:08:07 -0700 Received: from Zuyot@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id z.55.19126b8e (30968) for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55.19126b8e.28985bf4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:07:32 EDT Subject: [freestyle] New freestyle web site... To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 29 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey its Josh Johnson from the Kansas City Footbag Club announcing that the KCFC web site is up! I tried to put some good info on there in addition of some pics and videos. I have a section for stretching and conditiong that I thought might be useful. If nothing else visit the site and tell me what I can make better. Not everyhitng is up quite yet but it will be soon. The stretching link is up, so check that one out. Hope you enjoy! http://www.kcfc.cjb.net later, -Josh-