From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 1 13:32:40 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26687 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:32:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22440 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 22:55:06 -0800 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA29145 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:51:13 -0800 Received: from [24.205.34.189] (helo=sam) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15z58b-0007G3-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:51:13 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c16266$dcff7540$bd22cd18@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: Subject: [freestyle] new vids up on the net Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:50:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I put some videos up at http://www.penny-lane.com/ofv. The site will be updated weekly with new freestyle footage from OOPS! Freestyle. I think you might like to check it out. So far there is new footage of Chad "Big Big Big extra big wooooood" Devlahovich, Chris "The Ghost Pirate" Pinkus, Bryan "I rented an apartment near the shred site for one night just so that I could..." Fournier, and Sam "Snoop DoGG" Colclough. That's double G yo! Sam C to the O to the L to the dammmmn my names way too long for that Colclough *New OOPS site coming soon.* From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 1 13:38:18 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26706 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:38:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24071 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 04:01:31 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f112.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.112]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA09888 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:57:38 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:57:38 -0800 Received: from 66.81.53.107 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 04:57:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.81.53.107] From: "andy moore" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Footbag music Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 04:57:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2001 04:57:38.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAC70670:01C16291] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all you crazy footbaggers out there hiting insane moves I was just wondering if you guys could help me pick music for my routie next year at worlds all are welcome to reply but "!no Rap" Attach the music if you have it. thank you all very much (MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please think twice before doing something that would violate copyright laws - and don't dare send music attachments to the list!) Funkyfootman out (Andy Moore) urza88@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 1 13:38:53 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26719 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:38:53 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.146]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24447 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 04:43:11 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([65.10.4.236]) by femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011101053904.CZZW25512.femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 21:39:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3BE0E244.F6983527@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:48:52 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle Subject: Re: [freestyle] Motion Sickness References: <3BC6A6FE@webmail.mscd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad Kaplan wrote: > > I feel a need to clear something up about Dyno and Motion. These are not > moves that can be paradox. More or less for the same reason Reverse Whirl > (yes yes it's in dispute) and Barfly are not Paradox. If these moves are hit > from the Op side, they are simply Op side Motion or Op side Dyno. I'm not even going to touch the paradox part of this thread, but about calling these moves "opposite side"... I've heard people calling them "far" moves. So, you can hit a dyno or a far dyno. An osis, or a far osis. If you want to get all crazy with it, you could even call an infinity a far butterfly. So yeah. I like it. I just wanted to throw it out. Sorry I can't remember who I first heard it from (maybe the CIC guys from back in the day?). Anyway, later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 1 13:40:47 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26746 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:40:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26604 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:15:04 -0800 From: emil@os.dk Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA20872 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 04:11:09 -0800 Received: from fepB.im.tele.dk ([195.41.46.145]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20011101121107.WNER13021.fepE.post.tele.dk@fepB.im.tele.dk> for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:11:07 +0100 To: "Footbag list" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Anyone hit...? Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 13:11:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-Mailer: Opasia webmail (version opasia/3.0.8) X-Originating-IP: 80.62.5.135 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <20011101121107.WNER13021.fepE.post.tele.dk@fepB.im.tele.dk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.footbag.org id LAA26605 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hi list "Dylan Livingston" wrote: > For instance: > > Reverse Sidewalk=Clip-Op Out(DEX)-Plant-Same In(DEX)-Op > Clip(XBD)(DEL) > > ATW Swirl=Toe-Same In/Out(DEX)-Op Back Swirl(DEX)-Op > Toe(DEL) > > Atomic Dyno=Toe-Op Out(DEX)-Op Out(DEX)-Back spin(BOD)-Same > Clip(XBD)(DEL) > (I'd call it Dynomite. Try it Nuclear!) > > Stepping Same Dyno=Clip-Op In(DEX)-Plant-Same Out(DEX)-Back > spin(BOD)-Same > Clip(XBD)(DEL) (I'd call this Shotgun) > > I haven't hit any of these, but they are all possible (I > hope). Try to hit > this stuff! I think it would look cool! > > Dylan Livingston First, thanks for using job's! I know a lot of you is probably fed up with this long way of notation, but for thoes of us who are new, it is the only way to learn! I've hit the "Atomic Dyno", it is the first 5 add I've hit. Its really hard on the knee though. And by the way, could someone tell me what "nuclear" is? And also: "sonic" ? Emil :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Nov 1 21:44:59 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29028 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 21:44:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27273 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:35:49 -0800 Received: from mailrelay1.chek.com (plotnick.chek.com [208.197.227.116]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA31528 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:31:51 -0800 Received: (qmail 13870 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2001 17:31:50 -0000 Received: from ninelives.chek.com (208.197.227.14) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2001 17:31:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 29939 invoked by uid 99); 1 Nov 2001 17:29:38 -0000 Date: 1 Nov 2001 17:29:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20011101172938.29938.qmail@ninelives.chek.com> From: "peter bevitori" To: freestyle@footbag.org X-MASSMAIL: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [206.15.253.3] Subject: [freestyle] pixie same dyno? majello? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, i've been trying to hit this move for a while and i finally have. so i've been wondering, does it have a name? i've been calling it majello. so if it's just a pixie same dyno or whatever, let me know... funk out, peter bevitori ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 2 13:37:02 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00504 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:37:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31667 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 07:03:58 -0800 Received: from web20702.mail.yahoo.com (web20702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.175]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id AAA08471 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:00:01 -0800 Message-ID: <20011102080001.8205.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.144.74] by web20702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 00:00:01 PST Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: lon smith Subject: RE: [freestyle] Move ideas - what's been done? To: Floyd Morgan , "'freestyle@footbag.org'" In-Reply-To: <11B671CB12E9D111A9DE0000F8E238953846B1@INFOMETRICS2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Listening Listers, Floyd wrote about fairy spinning and was wondering if a PARADOX add is possible on spinning moves set from the toes??? Who will set up a poll? I say yes paradox is possible from toe if you spin first. Questions questions?? Adious Mi Amigos Buen noche de Hallo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 2 13:38:30 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00519 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:38:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31684 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 07:27:09 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f107.hotmail.com [216.32.181.107]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA09127 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:23:11 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:11:44 -0800 Received: from 63.212.143.1 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 08:11:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.212.143.1] From: "Nathan Maertens" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pixie same dyno? majello? Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 00:11:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2001 08:11:44.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[02A43050:01C16376] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wazzup Peoples, This is Dr. R from the Notorious Cobra Footbag Gangsters. I just wanted to comment on the following: >hey all, i've been trying to hit this move for a while and i finally have. >so i've been wondering, does it have a name? i've been calling it majello. >so if it's just a pixie same dyno or whatever, let me know... funk out, >peter bevitori Jeremy "Senor Grommet" Mirken and I were messing with this move a ways back cause we had never seen it before. It's a pretty dope trick, and I think majello is definitely an apt name. It's got my vote. Does anybod have a name for pixie op dyno? Later all, Nathan Maertens _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 2 18:01:59 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01873 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:01:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01344 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:32:57 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA26031 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:28:59 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-025 #39412) id <0GM607901OKAD4@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:28:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.0-025 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GM607899OKAQG@clem.mscd.edu>; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:28:58 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:14:07 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] pixie same dyno? majello? To: freestyle , Nathan Maertens Message-id: <3BC794EC@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Does anybod have a name >for pixie op dyno? Poppo! I don't know if that's what it's called, I just made it up. Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 2 18:03:36 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01883 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:03:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01546 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:00:26 -0800 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA27178 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:56:28 -0800 Received: from 24-205-34-189.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.com ([24.205.34.189] helo=sam) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15ziYL-0001eO-00; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 09:56:25 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c163c7$a390c4a0$bd22cd18@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: "lon smith" , "Floyd Morgan" , References: <20011102080001.8205.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move ideas - what's been done? Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:55:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "lon smith" > Hello Listening Listers, > Floyd wrote about fairy spinning and was wondering if > a PARADOX add is possible on spinning moves set from > the toes??? > Who will set up a poll? I will. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oopsfreestyle/surveys?id=10228567 Sam Colclough Ever changing, new vids at http://www.penny-lane.com/ofv I heard a rumor too. and... new vids every week. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 2 18:06:31 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01911 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:06:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01744 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:14:34 -0800 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA27924 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:10:36 -0800 Received: from 24-205-34-189.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.com ([24.205.34.189] helo=sam) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15zim3-0002ef-00; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:10:35 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01c163c9$9de39a80$bd22cd18@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Nathan Maertens" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] pixie same dyno? majello? (and sambelings) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:10:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Nathan Maertens" Does anybod have a name for pixie op dyno? Pixie osis is like a torque sorta so pixie dyno should be dorque... Or maybe that's what titty twister should be... although... titty twister is such a great name. How's it going freestylers? Imagine if we had teleporters and all of us could freestyle with whoever we wanted every day. Would there be a gigantic session with every styler every day? That would be so great. Also, to the Europeans. I LOVE seeing your videos guys. Keep posting them. Ales with his Olympic looking superfly and mean clean triple ATW. 1. I hear that fairy torque is forque so naturally fairy ducking torque should be forque lift right? 2. I like to duck and weave. (clip > head duck > op clip, clip > head dive > op clip) 3. I was stretching last night and my hamstring TOTALLY released it was great. 4. Making clips slomo in adobe premier is way harder than it should be. Everyone take good warm ups. Listen to your body and give yourself time to rest. Eat a balanced diet. SLEEP A LOT! SHHHHHHREEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD! Sam Colclough still pushing http://www.penny-lane.com/ofv for freestyle videos and a cool cartoon samurai... late! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 2 18:28:29 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02023 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:28:29 -0800 Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01980 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:15:30 -0800 Received: from cluster1.sfsu.edu (cluster1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.213]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA31638 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:11:32 -0800 Received: from apollo.sfsu.edu (daemon@apollo.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.167]) by cluster1.sfsu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fA2JBUH03384 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:11:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (tuhuge@localhost) by apollo.sfsu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id fA2JBTe09132 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:11:29 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: apollo.sfsu.edu: tuhuge owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:11:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tu Vu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] The History of the Big Add Posse Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I've been trying to get this out for people and after months of attempts, you can finally see it. If you want a copy of the History of the Big Add Posse part 1, please e-mail me at tuhuge@hotmail.com. Enjoy Tu "Huge" Vu From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 2 22:36:52 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02545 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 22:36:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f152.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.152]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02455 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 22:02:22 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 14:46:40 -0800 Received: from 161.184.29.156 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Nov 2001 22:46:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.29.156] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re:History Lesson Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 15:46:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2001 22:46:40.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CFBCB80:01C163F0] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well, I guess I've gotten all of the input I'm gonna get for my History Lesson post. I've compiled all of the answers I recieved and here's what I've found out: 1.First 3-add The concensus is that Jack Schoolcraft hit the first butterfly kick around 1980. 2.First 4-add Jack was also hitting spinning butterfly kick around the same time, give or take a couple months. 3. First 5-add Kenny Shults hit his infamous Double spinning osis for the first time in 1984. 4. First 6-add Tough one. Kenny thinks it was Big Apple, which he hit for the first time in 1992, but Food Processor, Spinning Paradox Blender and Whirlwind are other candidates. 5.First double spinner Everyone keeps saying DS osis by Kenny, and that was the first DS to a delay, but Jack Schoolcraft was hitting outside kick-Double spin-Inside kick well before that. 6.Torque-Blender which came first? Torque was first in around 1988. Blender came a couple years later. 7.Who hit first superfly? I don't think it'd be Mulroney, but Irish and Rippin' were hitting this before most others. The best guess is Rippin'. 8.First Barraging 3-dex Flurry came first, by either Tim Kelly or Rick Reese. 9.Blurriest-Blurrier which came first? Blurriest came first in 1993. Rippin' hit this first as well. 10.Who hit the first clipper? Clipper delay was probably "Invented" by a shredder named Will Squire in the mid-seventies. 11.Who came up with Bubba? This is unknown. Tim Kelly hit Bubba quite regularly before it was called this, so it might have been him. 12.Who hit first Shooting Star? Red "Shred" Husted hit this several times for the first time in May 2000. It's on video, the California Connection. 13.Who coined Symposium? Joey Shaeffer came up with the idea of symposium moves, and Rippin' Rick Reese scanned a dictionary at 3:00 AM, and came up with the term Symposium. The first move was Symp. Whirl, followed by Symposium Mirage, followed by Symp. Whirling Swirl etc. 14.First Unusual delay This is widely accepted to be the head-delay. I'm pretty sure Kenny came up with the idea to make UNS an add category, but god knows who hit the first Dreaded Head. Probably Stalberger. Many thanks go out to all members of the list who responded. A special thanks goes out to Kenny Shults, Matthew Kain Lewandowski, Aaron de Glanville, Paul Vorvick, Brad Kaplan, Ken Somolinos, and Rob Fuller. Thanks a lot guys! Oh, and I couldn't have done this without Rippin', cuz half of these questions wouldn't exist if it wasn't for him! thanks Rick! Maybe I'll throw out another history thing soon, but I'm a little busy lately with my list-thang. Peter Irish is releasing a book all about the history of footbag, which will truly kick ass, so I might just wait for that! Thanks again list! Dylan Livingston _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sat Nov 3 16:23:17 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05569 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:23:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03703 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 01:32:14 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f163.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.163]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20836 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:28:15 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:16:23 -0800 Received: from 207.148.137.180 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 02:16:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.148.137.180] From: "Rob Fuller" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Shoe Modifications Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 19:16:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2001 02:16:23.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[88FCB5E0:01C1640D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo, whats up! I was just thinking about all the shoe mods and who, and how were they discovered. I know about all the regular modifications, (taking out inner layer of mesh, special lacing etc...) but there are also the unique mods, like, I'm sure many of you have seen what Daryl "Genzu" does, where he takes out the material above the toes, and the tongue etc...and I know Windsor drills a hole in the sole of his. My question is simply this, is there anyone else out there with these "unique" mods? My new chinas (first pair, used to use milleniums) should be here next wednessday at the ABSOLUTE latest so I turned my old shoes into a mix of the "Genzu" and Windsor mods, they are really great, not sure I am going to genzu up my new ones though, just not used to that style of play yet. Rob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 4 17:28:23 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09086 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 17:28:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (sql.market.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06765 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 21:16:58 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f223.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.223]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA27789 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 14:12:56 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 14:12:56 -0800 Received: from 161.184.29.50 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 22:12:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.29.50] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pixie same dyno? majello? Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 15:12:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2001 22:12:56.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0910730:01C164B4] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I personally like the name Majello! Haven't heard any other names for it...Who hit this move first, list? I think it should have a name. Stepping Same Dyno too. I know this move's been around for a while. Maybe Tripwalk or something. Just my 2 cents! Dylan Livingston >From: "peter bevitori" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] pixie same dyno? majello? >Date: 1 Nov 2001 17:29:38 -0000 > >hey all, >i've been trying to hit this move >for a while and i finally have. so >i've been wondering, does it have a >name? i've been calling it majello. >so if it's just a pixie same dyno or >whatever, let me know... >funk out, > >peter bevitori > >________________________________________________________________ >Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at >http://www.AnimeNation.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 6 05:15:28 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13173 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 05:15:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA02742 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 02:08:26 -0800 Received: from laxerone@netscape.net by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id z.b1.11207e0 (16230) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2001 05:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.com (mow-d01.webmail.aol.com [205.188.138.65]) by air-in02.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILININ26-1105050817; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:08:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:08:17 -0700 From: Jan Zimmermann To: announce@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Bootfaegers Shred (SwissJam #3) Message-ID: <4AA6D88C.15E5D8BD.0078AB1E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org After tearing up Solothurn last weekend, the Swiss freestyle scene will gather again next Saturday in Basel for the third SwissJam entitled: BOOTFAEGERS SHRED In contrast to last Saturdays meeting, this will not be just an informal shred meeting but a full (although small scale) tournament. Competition will include 2min routines and sick 3 contest. Meeting point for all those coming from outside of Basel is the tram station Wettsteinplatz (tram No 2), meeting time is between 12 and 12.30. Details can be found in the event listing at http://www.footbag.org Pack your Bags everybody! Jan Zimmermann From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 6 15:55:20 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14709 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:55:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de (moutvdom00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12454 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 00:20:13 -0800 Received: from [195.20.224.219] (helo=mrvdom03.schlund.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 160uqQ-0006jP-00 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 02:16:02 +0100 Received: from b3e5c.pppool.de ([213.7.62.92] helo=nudelsuppe) by mrvdom03.schlund.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 160uqN-0007pN-00 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 02:16:01 +0100 Message-ID: <002a01c16661$65e43500$5c3e07d5@nudelsuppe> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: Subject: [freestyle] Worlds videos? Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 02:21:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Good morning... Did nobody put any footage of this year's Worlds online? How come? Or did I simply not notice? If this is the case, please tell me where to find these clips that will hopefully refresh my remembering the summer holidays... If this is not the case - video editors of this world, present your work! Adios, Matthias..... _____________________________________ "Der reissende Fluss wird gewalttaetig genannt, aber das Ufer, das ihn einengt, nennt keiner gewalttaetig." _____________________________________ www.linoschmidt.de www.linoschmidt.de/wgr From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 6 17:11:23 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15166 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:11:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f162.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.162]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14971 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:57:46 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:53:04 -0800 Received: from 161.184.27.28 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:53:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.27.28] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re:Motion Sickness Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:53:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2001 17:53:04.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[E27EE800:01C166EB] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List! I've gotten tremendous input from almost all of you on my list! It's filling up so well, that I have to put just a couple boundaries. First off, X-Body pincher endings are cool, but I'm not going to put any more on the list, just because almost any move can end in X-Body Pincher. Same with Flapper, heel, sole, reverse hopover, and that whole world. Not that a Shooting Star Flapper wouldn't be sick, but a butterfly flapper is nothing special, really. On the other hand, these moves as sets really do kick ass. As well as frigidosis-set moves, Pendulum set moves, Dragon-set moves. These all kick ass. Frigid-ending moves are slightly less impressive, but still cool. Rake set moves are basically toe-set. I'm looking for more Twirl-stuff, Dragon Stuff, 8-add moves, and other cool stuff. Also, if anyone can define the following moves, that'd be very cool. Jacknife Aeon Flux Vertigo Mantis Flipwalk Flaming Retard These are just moves I've come across in the archives. Noone's ever said what a Flipwalk is, but it makes sense that it'd be a Dragon-Sidewalk. Also, what exactly does "Void" mean? I've heard the term applied to a rooted-style set, but I'm still confused. I've brought up a lot of stuff in this post, so if anyone has any info on any of this stuff, please reply to me. Thanks ever so much list! Dylan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 6 23:35:27 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16186 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:35:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f125.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.125]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16135 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:11:27 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:06:44 -0800 Received: from 161.184.26.165 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 00:06:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.26.165] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Washing my Sack Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:06:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2001 00:06:44.0981 (UTC) FILETIME=[160F7250:01C16720] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sick subject, I know. I recently recieved my "Mirage" footbag from www.footbagworldwide.com and I was wondering... Are you supposed to wash this footbag as per Juice bag, or just break it in as per Guatemalan Crochet footbag? It's an awesome footbag, and I don't want to ruin it by washing if it shouldn't be washed, but it does need a little help to become the "Perfect Footbag." So... Does anyone know what I should do? PS:I also purchased a Dirtbag. If anyone's out there shredding with a good old Sipa Sipa, I'd suggest checking out a Dirtbag. It's soft, sticky, and doesn't require any "Breaking in." It's a good pro-footbag for just starting out and schooling stalls and beginner moves. A more hardcore pro styler should check out a Juice bag. This is a great footbag that lasts a long long time and sits like a good dog when you tell it to. Anyway, that's my 2 cents, and a question, at the top for those of you who skipped to the end. Thanks very much list! Dylan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 7 12:21:49 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18539 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 12:21:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16464 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 01:04:23 -0800 Received: from storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.35]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 396BC189A; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id SAA29210; Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:00:06 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQ+xXiYrlDYKJihV3vRxHyU2frFIAIUWn1ZyCiNnX6989P/31LVye5JnFg= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:00:06 -0500 (EST) To: shags125@hotmail.com (Dylan Livingston) Cc: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Washing my Sack Message-ID: <8808-3BE895A6-919@storefull-615.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Dylan Livingston" 's message of Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:06:44 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List! Dylan wrote; "PS:I also purchased a Dirtbag. If anyone's out there shredding with a good old Sipa Sipa, I'd suggest checking out a Dirtbag. It's soft, sticky, and doesn't require any "Breaking in."" Check out a Sandbag. They are inexpensive, made in America, require no break-in, and come with a lifetime unconditional warranty. gf From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 7 21:50:43 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20337 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:50:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mout03.kundenserver.de (mout03.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.218]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19093 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:20:04 -0800 Received: from [195.20.224.219] (helo=mrvdom03.schlund.de) by mout03.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 161VMi-0006dM-00 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:15:48 +0100 Received: from a1as11-p24.bln.tli.de ([195.252.154.24] helo=nudelsuppe) by mrvdom03.schlund.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 161VMh-0006Er-00 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:15:47 +0100 Message-ID: <005e01c167a8$45e6ba00$189afcc3@nudelsuppe> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: References: <002a01c16661$65e43500$5c3e07d5@nudelsuppe> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Worlds videos? Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:21:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ..so I should have precised my request: I am looking for shred videos, not the routines! -Matthias...... _____________________________________ "Der reissende Fluss wird gewalttaetig genannt, aber das Ufer, das ihn einengt, nennt keiner gewalttaetig." _____________________________________ www.linoschmidt.de www.linoschmidt.de/wgr From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 7 21:52:07 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20347 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:52:07 -0800 Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19210 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:00:45 -0800 Received: from cluster1.sfsu.edu (cluster1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.213]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA02628 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:56:29 -0800 Received: from apollo.sfsu.edu (daemon@apollo.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.167]) by cluster1.sfsu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fA7GuSD27841 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:56:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (tuhuge@localhost) by apollo.sfsu.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id fA7GuR725643 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:56:28 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: apollo.sfsu.edu: tuhuge owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:56:27 -0800 (PST) From: TU VU To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] History of BAP Clarifications Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org History of BAP clarifications Hi all, Thanks for everyone's interest in this article! I hope you guys enjoyed it. Just to make a few clarifications: 1) Kenny Shults hit double around the world in 1983 and maybe before. In the article, It says 1984. 2)The "TRUE" first specialist of net was Gary Griggs when he won worlds in 1987. Also, Jon Lind (the man) would best fit the description of first freestyle specialist when he won his first title in 1986. Thanks Kenny for these second revisions. Another note, my name is Tu and I have brother named Tuan. he is good at footbag. Easy mistake but then again, we all look alike :-) I've thought about making the video version of the articles but it might be a daunting task. I'll do some investigation. thanks. Tu "Huge" Vu From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 7 21:54:15 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20363 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:54:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f253.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.131]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20319 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 21:45:01 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:40:15 -0800 Received: from 161.184.27.66 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 22:40:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.27.66] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Motion Sickness Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:40:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2001 22:40:15.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B41CB10:01C167DD] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List! Okay, a couple days ago I posted that I wasn't going to take moves ending in unusual delays. I also said there's nothing special about a Butterflapper (My term). I realize now that that's completely wrong, and I've only gotten one reply that stated this, where I was expecting tons of hate-mail. Flapper-moves are definitely more difficult than clipper-moves, and all of you know that. The only reason I said what I did was because it seemed to me that ANYTHING could be hit to Flapper. But I stated in that very post that Shooting star flapper would be sick! Noone's hit this yet, so flapper moves must be more difficult. So please, I will now welcome any move ending in an unusual delay. The only moves I'm currently not accepting are moves that end in reverse hopover. I find that, if you can hold a clipper-delay, you CAN hit any move to reverse hopover, and this includes Shooting Star. Sure it's tough, but it's a whole different move in my opinion. There's the Shooting Star...And then there's the hopover. Other than this situation, (And of course stuff like Guay Hopover), I'm accepting ANY moves that have been hit by anyone. For god's sake, this was my idea in the first place! I don't want to mess up my own idea! Well, thanks for listening, and keep those flapper-moves coming! (And come on. Around the world to an inside delay is around the world. Guay is a special case). Thanks for listening to my idle chatter, and keep the moves a-comin'! Dylan Livingston _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 11 14:17:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03674 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:17:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30359 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:20:46 -0800 Received: from femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.26]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA07926 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:16:22 -0800 Received: from dallasfootbag.org ([65.10.4.236]) by femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20011110061618.ITIW2675.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@dallasfootbag.org> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:16:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3BECC721.2A488A23@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:20:17 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Records Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok. I've finally gotten around to updating the record list on http://www.dallasfootbag.org Thanks to everyone for your patience and for shredding so hard. There are some truly sick records up there now. My favorite? Hmmm... if you count stamina, Alex Zerbe's new record of 161 infinities has got to be one of them. But... I would have to say that my favorite is Chris Pinkus' 6 symposium eggbeaters. He even got it on video, so there can be no doubt. Not just 6 wifebeaters, but he played into them with some good stuff. The video is worth seeing. So, yeah, the record list has been updated. Let me know if you see anything missing. And... it is getting really long. Eventually it will be trimmed down to only the video verified records. That will keep it at a manageable size, and there won't be any doubt about any of the stuff. Hope to see everyone at Texas State next weekend, and if not there then Chicago for the New Year. Later. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Sun Nov 11 14:20:32 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03686 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:20:32 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00553 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:17:05 -0800 From: Zck250@aol.com Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA32735 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:12:36 -0800 Received: from Zck250@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id z.81.12dcb418 (15900) for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from web51.aolmail.aol.com (web51.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.12]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-1110161230; Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:12:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:12:29 EST Subject: [freestyle] Footbag Advice? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <81.12dcb418.291ef23e@aol.com> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'd like to know if the 62-panel import ( http://flyingclipper.com/home/fc1/page/15/19 ) from flying clipper is a great freestyle bag. If it's not, what are some other great hacks? Thanks, Zack From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 12 15:44:14 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07669 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:44:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05778 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2001 03:26:44 -0800 Received: from malibu.cc.uga.edu (malibu.cc.uga.edu [128.192.1.103]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA02978 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:22:13 -0800 Received: from archa9.cc.uga.edu (arch9.cc.uga.edu) by malibu.cc.uga.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <1.004AC4A0@malibu.cc.uga.edu>; 11 Nov 2001 23:22:11 -0500 Received: from integer.uga.edu (host-209-214-96-194.ahn.bellsouth.net [209.214.96.194]) by archa9.cc.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA143464 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:21:30 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20011111230504.00a25670@imap.arches.uga.edu> X-Sender: integer@imap.arches.uga.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:18:34 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Xander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Lion's Den Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is by far and wide the most aesthetically pleasing footbag freestyle vid I've ever seen. The opening scene alone gets your heart racing (excellent editing and music choices). The comic relief element is something I've always liked about previous videos I've watched, and this video's got tons of it too. The duel between Rich Abshire and Ellis Piltz is priceless. Anyone that doesn't own it should either buy a copy, or find a friend that has a one and camp out in his or her living room and watch it non-stop for about 48 hours. Thanks go to Hollywood Chad and everyone else associated with the video. I've had a blast watching it. Can't wait for the next production. Enough of the flagrant promo. Shred on. Alex From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 14 15:24:22 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16272 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:24:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13860 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:39:38 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f101.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.101]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA25891 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:35:01 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:35:01 -0800 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 02:35:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] shoes wanted Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:35:01 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2001 02:35:01.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5BE5850:01C16CB4] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all i have a friend who is fourteen who is busting all sorts of tricks without lavers. He is really keen to get a pair of them strapped to his feet,i'm sure his game will go exponential the moment he does. So if anybody out there has a pair of used 6 1/2 or 7 lavers get in touch with jonathon at murf300@hotmail.com also anyone with some used 8 1/2 chinese or millenium get in touch with me, much appreciated Jono _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 14 15:25:41 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16309 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:25:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16257 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:12:11 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f89.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.89]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA25820 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:07:32 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:07:32 -0800 Received: from 206.15.253.3 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:07:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [206.15.253.3] From: "andy moore" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] What are these moves? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:07:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2001 16:07:32.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[77B3EE30:01C16D26] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone i was wonderimg if any of you footbaggers coul educate me on waht a Zu le loup and a corkscrew are any info is helpful thanks LATER ANdy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 14 15:31:52 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16333 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:31:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12874 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:58:34 -0800 From: "Andrew Coleman" Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA01908 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:53:58 -0800 Received: from CrazyHackier@cs.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id z.10e.811ecd1 (4249) for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:53:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10e.811ecd1.2922e24f@cs.com> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:53:35 EST Subject: [freestyle] Name for this move? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 113 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was just sittin in class the other day, and I thought about a new move to try, so later on in P.E. I tried it out and landed it, the move is kind of an ATW neck catch. You set the bag on your neck, throw it up, bring your head around and over it and do another neck catch. Is there a special name for this or is it just an ATW neck catch? -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 16 16:58:41 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23996 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:58:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16554 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:40:46 -0800 From: "Kenny Shults" Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA29553 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:36:07 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id z.a6.1cb45367 (1320) for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:35:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:35:58 EST Subject: [freestyle] A Thought on Difficulty To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 127 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hope this doesn't open up some big can of worms but I had a thought this morning on my drive to the office, which I usually spend doing combos in my head. It occurred to me that the real measure of difficulty in a routine should have to do with the risk of dropping it. This probably has more to do with the number of really big tricks you try in a routine than the total number of tricks and/or adds you accumulate. It seems like difficulty works kind of like the Richter Scale where 1 more point is actually 10 times stronger. This is probably not too far off. I haven't done a formal study but I would guess that on average a BAP player might be about 10 times more likely to drop a 4 Add trick than a 3 Add and about 10 times more likely to drop 5 Add than a 4 Add, etc. If two players both do the same number of tricks and rack up the same add count and ratio, but one guy does 5 six add tricks and the other guy doesn't have anything bigger than a 4, I think the odds are pretty darn good that the guy with the 6's took more real risk. I know that there are a lot problems with the current system beyond just difficulty scoring, but in case anyone out there is working on a remedy I thought I'd throw this thought into the mix. Kenny Shults (I accept full responsibility for the failings of the Add System) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 16 17:07:28 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24169 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:07:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23982 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:53:06 -0800 Received: from mx9.port.ru (mx9.port.ru [194.67.57.19]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA15664 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:48:18 -0800 Received: from f12.int ([10.0.0.85] helo=f12.port.ru) by mx9.port.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #1) id 164n5z-00061Y-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:48:07 +0300 Received: from mail by f12.port.ru with local (Exim 3.14 #1) id 164n5j-000NGP-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:47:51 +0300 Received: from [207.35.188.13] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:47:51 +1080000 From: "Anthony Zverev" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Kickers needed... Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: 10.0.133.0 via proxy [207.35.188.13] Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:47:51 +1080000 Reply-To: "Ucho" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo list.... Hi everyone, i hope you all are alright and ready for the great shred.. I was looking for players around Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I began playing freestyle in Russia, so now i am in Canada and don't know any kickers here. The weathers gets cold nowdays, so it's unreal to play freestyle outdors. All i need is to find a gym and some shredders, because playing alone is some kind of onanism.... i think so. So, please mail me on my droppless@mail.ru and we'll have fun. Thanks, best regards from Anthony Zverev From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 16 17:12:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24205 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:12:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24202 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:12:23 -0800 Received: from I (p60.footbag.org [209.125.90.60]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA16600 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:07:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@209.125.90.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:07:35 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] A Thought on Difficulty Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sounds reasonable.. I've been thinking along similar lines, based on my now-expansive understanding of the Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 combo multipliers. :-) I think you're saying we should steal the concept of multiplying combo scores. The only problem is that at the current level of play, by the top 50 players, determining difficulty could be even that much more complicated... But keep the thoughts coming 'cause this is the kind of constructive discussion we've needed to have for a while on how to assign difficulty. Steve At 12:35 PM -0500 11/14/01, Kenny Shults wrote: >It seems like difficulty works kind of like the Richter Scale where >1 more point is actually 10 times stronger. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 16 17:55:37 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24339 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:55:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24257 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:26:15 -0800 Received: from alpha.math.uga.edu (alpha.math.uga.edu [128.192.3.9]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17152 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:21:29 -0800 Received: from localhost (faber@localhost) by alpha.math.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA13138; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:21:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:21:26 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Faber To: Kenny Shults cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] A Thought on Difficulty In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Kenny Shults wrote: > It seems like difficulty works kind of like the Richter Scale where 1 more > point is actually 10 times stronger. This is probably not too far off. > I haven't done a formal study but I would guess that on average a BAP player > might be about 10 times more likely to drop a 4 Add trick than a 3 Add and > about 10 times more likely to drop a 5 Add than a 4 Add, etc. If two > players both do the same number of tricks and rack up the same add count and > ratio, but one guy does 5 six add tricks and the other guy doesn't have > anything bigger than a 4, I think the odds are pretty darn good that the > guy with the 6's took more real risk. This is a brilliant observation, in my opinion, that could really lead to some cleaning up of the add system. It certainly does feel like blurry toruqe is a thousand times harder than osis > Kenny Shults > (I accept full responsibility for the failings of the Add System) I got a good laugh out of this. I'm sure everyone reading it also noted that you can take a lot of the responsibility for the Add System's strengths as well. Shred on, Alex Faber From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Nov 16 21:23:17 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24632 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:23:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f111.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.111]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24558 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:45:51 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:40:35 -0800 Received: from 161.184.26.99 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:40:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.26.99] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] A Thought on Difficulty Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:40:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2001 21:40:35.0297 (UTC) FILETIME=[530D5D10:01C16EE7] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list! Kenny brought up some good points, and I thought I'd add to that. First off, the adds system seems to be more of a way of showing the different move elements in a move. This, as most people have noticed, does not necessarily gauge difficulty of a move. More adds does not always mean a tougher move. Many people hit ducking Dimwalk before ducking atom-smasher, despite the fact that the latter is worth less adds. This is obviously because atom smashing is more difficult than dimwalking. The only reason dimwalk is a step up is because it ends on a clipper. I think the answer is types of dexterity in gauging difficulty, as well as different types of other move elements. Listing moves in order of difficulty, most people will agree that an in-out dexterity followed by an opposite side move element is easier than an out-in dexterity followed by an opposite side move element. There will always be exceptions to this rule, since many people (Including myself) can hit an eggbeater, but not a toe-blur. The reason for this is because Atomic-set moves are generally easier than Quantum-set moves (Again a rule with exceptions.) Generally, I find (IN DEX-OP OUT) easier than (OUT DEX-OP OUT) which is easier than (IN DEX-OP IN) which is easier than (OUT DEX-OP IN). I think everyone has a different feeling about this, so it's difficult to decide on a realistic way of judging difficulty. If it's purely based on adds like in Kenny's suggestion, we'll never see another Atom-smasher, or S&M smasher, or Frigid-moves, or Paradox Blurry stuff (Which I really love doing). I really dig Kenny's idea of thinking realistically in the area of difficulty, but I think it needs a new outlook. A few pro-shredders should get together and seriously discuss this topic. I'm proficient in calculus, and I've found that substitution is sometimes the only way to solve a problem. I'm sure there is an equation possible that relates move difficulty to type of move. Maybe we need a few more add categories... Ok, I'm getting out of hand. Good topic Kenny. I hope we can come up with a reasonable answer to the difficulty question. If I can help any way, I will. Peace list! Dylan >From: "Kenny Shults" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] A Thought on Difficulty >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:35:58 EST > >I hope this doesn't open up some big can of worms but I had a thought this >morning on my drive to the office, which I usually spend doing combos in my >head. It occurred to me that the real measure of difficulty in a routine >should have to do with the risk of dropping it. This probably has more to _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 19 18:33:57 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03875 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:33:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h011.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.217]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24837 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:52:07 -0800 Received: (cpmta 13095 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2001 15:46:50 -0800 Received: from 64.194.176.97 (HELO pinkus) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.217) with SMTP; 16 Nov 2001 15:46:50 -0800 X-Sent: 16 Nov 2001 23:46:50 GMT Message-ID: <002501c16ef8$e769cd20$61b0c240@pinkus> From: "Chris Pinkus" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] A Thought on Difficulty Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:46:24 -0800 Organization: OOPS! Freestyle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dylan Livingston" To: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [freestyle] A Thought on Difficulty > The reason for this is because > Atomic-set moves are generally easier than Quantum-set moves (Again a rule > with exceptions.) Generally, I find (IN DEX-OP OUT) easier than (OUT DEX-OP > OUT) which is easier than (IN DEX-OP IN) which is easier than (OUT DEX-OP > IN I think it all depends on what we see hit more often. If toe blur was more commonly hit than atom smasher, people would practice quantum before skooling atomics, making quantum easier. And clippers can't get taken for granted. After doing clippers so much you take it for granted and start thinking how toe moves are tougher. This sport is getting so technical. So in my opinion, the ADD system is for the most part, flawless. I like it, and it was the best way the sport could have gotten started. Thanks Kenny. Chris Pinkus From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 19 18:36:10 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03886 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:36:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01837 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:38:45 -0800 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA17622 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:37:09 -0800 Received: from 24-205-34-189.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.com ([24.205.34.189] helo=sam) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 165VsT-0004Fw-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:37:09 -0800 Message-ID: <002601c17057$438d8ba0$bd22cd18@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: Subject: [freestyle] Shred videos Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:34:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear Diary, It seems that the style of shred videos is changing. The newer ones are focusing more on short bursts of shred with interviews and/or humorous clips in between them. They are also getting shorter. This is perfectly understandable since they are becoming more geared to a wider audience. Also, I have heard about a lot of videos being made from people I don't know. I understand this cause I made a video and I'm sure shredders prob heard about it and thought, "Bust What Now? By WHO???" So.... A. I'm going to compile a list of videos that people have made and who has made them. It will be in web page format with links when available. If you have ever made a shred video, e-mail me with the following info: Title of video Length of video Date of publication Description and Credits (ie, who shredded in the video, who helped make the video, and any additional info you want published) A picture of the video if you have one Is it still available for purchase? If applicable: Contact info for purchase (e-mail, web page URL, phone number) Price I want pro videos. I want amateur videos. The only thing I don't want, is no videos. also... While watching whirled shred... my fav shred video... I like to try and call the moves and sometimes the adds. Practice you know? I always get tripped up on Ahren's atomic same butterflies and Lon's gyro pickups. So, in my head I call atomic same butterfly booty beater and gyro pickup Pippie Lon-Stockings (Pippie for short). Also I think that Lon is 1 part trailer trash and 2 parts forest ranger. Bye Lon, Sammy C ps Pippie Lon-Stockings!!! pps I'm not actually going to jail. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 19 18:38:50 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03908 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:38:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01916 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:48:35 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f187.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.187]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA20308 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:46:59 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:35:49 -0800 Received: from 24.64.223.204 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:35:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.64.223.204] From: "Jubal Hume" To: KenShults@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] A Thought on Difficulty Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:35:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2001 18:35:49.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7F6E310:01C1705F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org HEy All, dark horse here..lol..[jubal hume] I don't post too much, but I think this is very important to all of the footbagers in the world and what Ken [the Man] was saying about a multiplier is great... Myself [Jubal] and Jeremy as well as ALLAN in Victoria B.C. Canada.. Have been talking about such an idea for about a year or two as well... So here's the deal...We keep the ADD system as it is, but to keep track of components and component order [which can help in determining difficulty] [EG: do a blur..but reverse the dex order...see..a LOT harder...but it's still a four add move...] and we add in a link Scoring system...[working on one this winter]..,but some ideas are... that if you go up an ADD...EG: 3 to a 4 add move...then you get the Difference as a bonus...so an extra point...but if you go 3 add to a 7 add...you would get 4 extra points...and I do realize that all comps would NEED to be judged from video to verify...but we need this anyway.. I have lots to do refining this idea so any and all help will be accepted [i'm wanting mad help]... :-) Another thing that would help the competition judging and scoring is to take the system from Ice skating... divide the comp into artistic and technical runs ...for each round...say 60 second TECH [shred] and a 120 second ARTISTIC... and in order to win the worlds etc. you would need to have the highest AVERAGE in both sections... some notes on this... all competitors would need to submit and adhere to a program... all competitors would need to do a certain set of MANDATORY moves in the Technical section... and mandatory LINKS and move COMPONENTS in the artistic... also...this may help too...put more focus on ADD order as a way of determining difficulty... put more focus on links and combos and style...as well as originality... I am working on a list of moves that I think should be included as prereques...[required]... EG: torque..rip walk...blur...spinning osis..etc.. and these moves will contain all the components but that's not all..they will contain the components in Different orders and in different combinations...[spin-dex-crossbody...air-dex spin...etc...] I would love to hear from as many people as I can about this... this is just a suggestion.. :-) and it's a rough idea..please bare with me... Kicks for all....and to all a good night :-)(-: Still shredding in Canada..ps...check out our web site www.footbag video.com Jubal Hume _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 19 18:40:52 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03923 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:40:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from postfix1-2.free.fr (postfix1-2.free.fr [213.228.0.130]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02589 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:42:14 -0800 Received: from balle (nas-cbv-5-44-58.dial.proxad.net [212.27.44.58]) by postfix1-2.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 15A69AB235 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 02:40:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001201c16fd1$f8afbfc0$3a2c1bd4@balle> From: "Maxime Boucoiran" To: References: <200111182050.MAA01388@list.footbag.org> Subject: [freestyle] symposium doubledexes Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 02:40:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello list, the other day a friend of mine attempted a couple of symposium barrages (looks hard and he was'nt very close to landing it). It got me wandering about syposium doubledexes (same leg doing both dexes). I know most of the out to in dexes have been one (superfly, symp. paradon, symp down double etc...) but what about in to out dexes? Have symp barrage, symp whirr or symp terrage been hit? Thanks for your thoughts/answers. Max From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Nov 19 18:42:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03937 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:42:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02633 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 02:30:32 -0800 From: "Josh Johnson" Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA10706 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:28:54 -0800 Received: from Zuyot@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id z.7d.1e23f0ef (4242) for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:28:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7d.1e23f0ef.2929c849@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:28:25 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] A Thought on Difficulty To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 114 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Here come the worms... The infamous question: "How can one determine difficulty?" Well, that is a very open-ended question. Due to the fact that footbag is all relative; speed, height, flexibility, etc. But as in any activity there must be interpretation. We just need to set standards for that interpretation. Maybe its such that it is impossible to have a system for this sport which allows for fair play all across the board. But we can try our best to find one that fits the majority of its players. Honestly, there isn't a system for rating difficulty yet. We have a very primitive way of rating. We have not yet (until now) discovered that. Now obviously the add system is a great way to, well add up the elements of a trick, not necessarily describe its difficulty. The time as arisen when we are looking for a system in which rates difficulty. To do this you have to first look at the elements involved: [I'm sure I left some things out, but you'll get my point] Elements of a trick: Rotation of body around bag (spinning) Number of rotations around the bag with each leg (dexs) Movement of bag around body (duck/dive) Setting of the bag Delaying of the bag AND The correlation of each element with each other. (This is the key thing and has not yet been included into any system) Elements of a run: Level of tricks in a run Length of the run or combo Consistency of tricks in the run Cleanss or aesthetic quality Now originally we just took the parts of a trick ... added them up and then called it difficulity. Well, first off I don't think that every element was considered. Take into account the butterfly: SET > OP OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [CXB][DEL] Now take into account: SET > OP OUT [DEX] > SAME CLIP [CXB][DEL] They have the same add count but one would agree that the second is a bit for difficult due to the fact that the leg actaully goes all the way around the bag instead of just under the bag. Creating a full-dex rather than a half-dex. This is simply an example of how I believe that there are still some elements hidden within the current system that need to be revealed. Secondly we look at the how each element correlates with each other. Look at the ducking butterfly: SET > DUCK [BOD] > OP OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP[DEL] Then look at: SET > OP OUT [DEX] > DUCK [BOD] > OP CLIP [DEL] These have the exact same elements, but the succession has changed making it much harder to hit a dex before a bod move. Thus we need to find a way to measure or 'rate' the succession of elements. [That is pretty much all that matters at this point but since we're on the topic I might as well go further] Third we look at the runs or the combs. This goes along the same line as the tricks do. Hitting a 2add > 5add > 2add > 5add is going to be easier than hitting 2add > 2add > 5add > 5add due to the fact that the bigger the trick the harder it is to link thus making it more difficult of a run. Linking a bigger trick to bigger trick shows the advancement and consistency . I believe that should be taken into account. (i.e. what Shults reciently said in this thread) Lastly we look at the cleanness. This is something that I don't think really needs to dealt with right away but due to the fact that anyone who knows a thing or two about footbag can spot slop. But for right now we are trying to address the unified difficulty of tricks. Also by looking at things this way we are then able to open up a new playing field for advanced players. Many players can hit the majority of the tricks ever created. But by looking into the correlation of elements in each trick you are able to create even more moves and combos that challenge even the most advanced players. True, as in many things, the level of interpretation of this sport is pretty high. But by looking objectively as such, the answers might come a bit easier. Now this may be a shock, but the possible answer may be just something completely new. I hope this sparked some interest in some people and may push others to think about this topic. And I would be excited to see if anyone understood what I was saying. I'm open to ALL criticism, I wrote this for that very reason. So thanx for reading! -Josh Johnson- KCFC From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 20 22:34:06 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05627 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:34:06 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f246.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.246]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04471 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:06:21 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:04:10 -0800 Received: from 216.27.144.66 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:04:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.27.144.66] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] symposium doubledexes [adds] Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:04:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2001 00:04:10.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[E19837A0:01C17156] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, I don't particularly enjoy the add discussion myself, as I know many other people don't. But at the same time, we would all like to improve on it. The x-dex, in my opinion, is a great addition, fixing atom smashers, varities of blur and blizzard (toe, paradox), etc. The question I'd like to ask is whether people think that symposium doubledexes should receive two body adds instead of one. Making superfly, for example, six adds. While not so apparent with out-to-in dexterities, say hitting symposium terrage should (in my eyes) be worth more than four adds. Another way to look at this is to imagine a flailing symposium butterfly (same leg for both dexes) receiving six adds, but symposium paradon five - the difference here being the set. Symposium paradon seems like it should receive more adds than an atomic symposium butterfly. After all, there are two symposium dexes. I've spoken to quite a few people on this topic, and while some nod others disagree. I'd like to get other people's opinion on this. Maybe a .. poll? Thank you for your time, Stan Sagalovskiy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 20 22:35:22 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05637 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:35:22 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04553 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:36:49 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f108.hotmail.com [216.32.181.108]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA06202 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:35:08 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:24:02 -0800 Received: from 195.197.160.10 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:24:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.197.160.10] From: "Jyri Ilama" To: soleairpro@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] A Thought on Difficulty Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:24:02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2001 01:24:02.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[098D6680:01C17162] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jubal wrote: >that if you go up an ADD...EG: 3 to a 4 add move...then you get the >Difference as a bonus...so an extra point...but if you go 3 add to a 7 >add...you would get 4 extra points...and I do realize that all comps would >NEED to be judged from video to verify...but we need this anyway.. Okay, that could be a nice system, but.. think of hitting a 7 adder after a 1 adder? and getting 6 extra points? so, if you hit two 7 add tricks in a row you get 14 'points' and if you hit a 7 adder after a 1 adder you're still getting 14 points? naah.. :P .. some combos: 1 add > 7 add > 1 add > 7 add, 28 adds? 7 add > 6 add > 6 add > 6 add, 25 adds? But, I really loved the idea of Kenny's about multipliers.. For example one multiplier for a spin, another for a stepping, one for atomic.. and so on. Anyhow, I'm not dying if anyone isn't doing anything to the present add system - I think it's very good, even though it has some little weaknesses. Yepyep, keep up the shreddy work. :] - Jyri Ilama _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 20 22:37:12 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05653 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:37:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05560 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:26:29 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f79.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.79]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA19434 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:24:46 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:24:42 -0800 Received: from 64.228.167.134 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:24:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.228.167.134] From: "Yacine Merzouk" To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: lord2@club-internet.fr Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium doubledexes Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:24:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2001 20:24:42.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[632B7250:01C17201] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo! Max asked... >>>What about symp. double dexes? Double symposium tap and double-symp. atomic same side illusion have been hit by yours truly. I know of some people hitting symp. barrage clipper and toe set. I guess a lot of double-dex-double-symposium moves can be hit with symp.-quantum and symp.-atomic sets. That's it. -Yacine _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 20 22:37:50 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05669 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:37:50 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05609 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:15:16 -0800 Received: from ds9.beatricene.com (ds9.beatricene.com [208.15.132.129]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA24754 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:13:32 -0800 Received: from chris-wks.planetquake.com (matt2-wks.beatricene.com [208.15.132.78]) by ds9.beatricene.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fAKMDMO16295; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:13:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20011120160253.00b054d0@mail.planetquake.com> X-Sender: shatter@mail.planetquake.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:07:43 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Chris Holden Subject: [freestyle] Christmas kicking in South Carolina Cc: niceguy29611@yahoo.com, streetfighteriscool@excite.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A Proud member of the Nebraska Posse (not official name) is going home for the holidays. I'll be in Spartanburg, South Carolina all of Christmas week. I'll be looking for kickers, stylers, and shredders alike to beat me down with some skills. Anybody going to be in town? (reply directly to me) Thanks, Chris Holden mailto:shatter@planetquak.com http://www.beatricene.com/footbag/ Calendar of Events: http://www.beatricene.com/cgi-bin/footbag-calendar/calendar.cgi From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 20 22:39:57 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05685 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:39:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04090 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:05:32 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f113.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.113]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA15116; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:03:50 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 10:51:53 -0800 Received: from 165.121.220.32 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:51:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.121.220.32] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "Ken Somolinos" To: sam@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred videos Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:51:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2001 18:51:53.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[412B6560:01C1712B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Sam wrote: >So, in my head I >call atomic same butterfly booty beater and gyro pickup Pippie >Lon-Stockings >(Pippie for short). Atomic same butterfly is called tapdown. I think Gyro pickup is called parallax. The name is on the moves list I'm pretty sure. If you don't know the name of a move, look at the moves list on .org first before proposing names. CF PS-Stan Sagalovskiy organized a kickass freestyle jam at NYU yesterday. It got me thinking about how we need more tournies and jams, as well as the benefits of clubs, and why I love footbag. Expect a write up soon. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 20 22:40:52 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05701 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:40:52 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04402 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:48:26 -0800 Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA27606 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:46:46 -0800 Received: from 24-205-34-189.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.com ([24.205.34.189] helo=sam) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 165xBe-0004QJ-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:46:46 -0800 Message-ID: <002d01c1714b$aee4ca40$bd22cd18@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred videos Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:44:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Ken Somolinos" > -> I think Gyro pickup is called parallax. The name is on the moves list I'm > pretty sure. If you don't know the name of a move, look at the moves list > on .org first before proposing names. parallax is gyro legover... why don't you follow your own advice? -sam colclough From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 20 23:00:15 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05872 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:00:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h011.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.217]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05821 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:54:53 -0800 Received: (cpmta 18925 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 14:52:31 -0800 Received: from 64.194.176.97 (HELO pinkus) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.217) with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 14:52:31 -0800 X-Sent: 20 Nov 2001 22:52:31 GMT Message-ID: <000a01c17215$bb9701c0$61b0c240@pinkus> Reply-To: "Chris Pinkus" From: "Chris Pinkus" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium doubledexes [adds] Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:50:19 -0800 Organization: OOPS! Freestyle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I think any symposium move should get 10 body adds. :) But realisticly, a symposium paradon (and the like) is deserving of only 1 body add. Because it requires one initial burst of strength, like any other symposium move, and one hard landing, just like any other symposium move. That should settle it. Chris Pinkus From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Nov 20 23:22:20 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05988 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:22:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02517 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:07:35 -0800 Received: from [195.20.224.204] (helo=mrvdom00.schlund.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 165bwZ-0008P3-00 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:05:47 +0100 Received: from b3d49.pppool.de ([213.7.61.73] helo=nudelsuppe) by mrvdom00.schlund.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 165bwQ-0000wo-00 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:05:42 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c1708e$d30a0240$493d07d5@nudelsuppe> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: Subject: [freestyle] Introduction Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:11:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org http://download.divx.com/videocodecs/divx/DivX4CodecInstaller.exe (necessary codec 0.5 MB) http://www.footbag.cz/video/cz/teaser.mpg (teaser 3.6 MB 40s) http://www.footbag.cz/video/cz/vasek_me.mpg (introducing... 10MB 89s) http://www.footbag.cz/video/cz/vasik10.avi (2.5 MB 24 s) http://www.footbag.cz/video/cz/vasik13.avi (2.5 MB 25 s) http://www.footbag.cz/video/cz/vasik12.avi (3.8 MB 37 s) http://www.footbag.cz/video/cz/vasik11.avi (5.0 MB 49s) http://www.footbag.cz/video/cz/spinbuttmax.avi (world record!) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 21 01:01:11 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06254 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:01:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06073 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:48:06 -0800 Received: from web13607.mail.yahoo.com (web13607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.118]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id PAA01023 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:46:23 -0800 Message-ID: <20011120234622.53444.qmail@web13607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.255.211.60] by web13607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:46:22 PST Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:46:22 -0800 (PST) From: Shaun Marques Subject: Re: [freestyle] A Thought on Difficulty To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Jyri Ilama wrote: > Okay, that could be a nice system, but.. > think of hitting a 7 adder after a 1 adder? and > getting 6 extra points? so, > if you hit two 7 add tricks in a row you get 14 > 'points' and if you hit a 7 > adder after a 1 adder you're still getting 14 > points? naah.. :P Although that's a good point, I really like the idea that Jubal had. To settle the score of getting insane amounts of points, I believe that to tack on to the idea of his system, set a specific median for specific competitions. For example.. Open = 3 add as the median; Intermediate = 2 add as the median; Novice = 1 add as the median.. and well, if someone's in the Novice category hitting Gauntlets and PS Whirls, well.. that's downright disgusting. Just my thoughts though. Shred on. -Shaun __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 21 01:02:00 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06267 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:02:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f206.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.206]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06139 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:16:45 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:14:32 -0800 Received: from 161.184.29.33 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:14:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.29.33] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred videos Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:14:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2001 00:14:32.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E51ECB0:01C17221] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Ken Somolinos" > > > >-> I think Gyro pickup is called parallax. The name is on the moves list >I'm > > pretty sure. If you don't know the name of a move, look at the moves >list > > on .org first before proposing names. Ya Gyro Pickup's on the movelist, but it's called "Pandora", like the box. Paralax is a Gyro Legover, and Merkon is a Spinning Legover. All are great moves tho. Try to expand on it, hitting Spinning Paradox miraging Pickup, or others, then name the move. There's lots of possible spinning pickup moves that haven't been named yet! Dylan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 21 01:03:41 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06288 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:03:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f172.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.172]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06191 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:47:28 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:45:15 -0800 Received: from 161.184.29.53 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:45:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.29.53] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium doubledexes [adds] Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:45:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2001 00:45:15.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8E3E720:01C17225] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo Listas! I normally wouldn't respond to a post on a move like a superfly which I totally cannot do, but I figured my two cents won't get me killed this time. From what I've learned on the subject, a Superfly should only get one symposium add. If you hit an infinity-style symposium butterfly, I'm pretty sure you don't get a symposium add (If you do, I'm hitting them more often!). A Superfly is much like a symposium butterfly, except your leg actually rotates around the bag completely. If you watch one on video, it's quite apparent that the leg really only rotates ONCE around the bag. The rest sort of falls into place during the landing. In other words, the second dex isn't really all that symposium, just like the dex in symp. butterfly. A move like Shaft (Symposium DDD), should really get 2 adds, because it's basically a double reverse whirl, but truthfully, the second dex is not a reverse whirl, it's a butterfly. A symposium barrage should SO get an extra add, however, because the leg makes 2 full revolutions around the bag. Yet there's another argument over symposium being confined to the moment you jump up, to the moment you stomp down, and in this case, each happens only once. Yacine's Double symposium Tap would be a case of true double symposium, where the dex leg must plant before the second dexterity. I certainly hope this move gets 2 body adds. NEWay, that's how I percieve symp. Double dexes. PS:Again, adds measure the different components of a move, and not difficulty. Superfly only contains one symposium component, so it only gets one body add. Nuff sed. Dylan >From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" >To: freestyle@list.footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] symposium doubledexes [adds] >Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:04:10 -0500 > >Hi, > >I don't particularly enjoy the add discussion myself, as I know many other >people don't. But at the same time, we would all like to improve on it. The >x-dex, in my opinion, is a great addition, fixing atom smashers, varities >of >blur and blizzard (toe, paradox), etc. > >The question I'd like to ask is whether people think that symposium >doubledexes should receive two body adds instead of one. Making superfly, >for example, six adds. While not so apparent with out-to-in dexterities, >say >hitting symposium terrage should (in my eyes) be worth more than four adds. >Another way to look at this is to imagine a flailing symposium butterfly >(same leg for both dexes) receiving six adds, but symposium paradon five - >the difference here being the set. Symposium paradon seems like it should >receive more adds than an atomic symposium butterfly. After all, there are >two symposium dexes. > >I've spoken to quite a few people on this topic, and while some nod others >disagree. I'd like to get other people's opinion on this. Maybe a .. poll? > >Thank you for your time, > >Stan Sagalovskiy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 21 01:04:38 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06309 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 01:04:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06213 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 00:51:39 -0800 Received: from ds9.beatricene.com (ds9.beatricene.com [208.15.132.129]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA04466 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:49:55 -0800 Received: from chris-wks.planetquake.com (matt2-wks.beatricene.com [208.15.132.78]) by ds9.beatricene.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id fAL0nnO20520 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:49:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20011120183953.00b1dd80@mail.planetquake.com> X-Sender: shatter@mail.planetquake.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:44:10 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Chris Holden Subject: [freestyle] updated 4adds database Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Today, I realized that the 4 adds section of our free-style video site had three tricks listed but over 30 videos uploaded. Now it's fixed! If you like Brian McKenzie, you'll love our freestyle moves section: http://www.beatricene.com/footbag/ I'm still editing things if anyone sees any errors let me know. :) Thanks, Chris Holden mailto:shatter@planetquake.com http://www.beatricene.com/footbag/ Calendar of Events: http://www.beatricene.com/cgi-bin/footbag-calendar/calendar.cgi From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Nov 21 23:11:17 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07913 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:11:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07393 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:01:42 -0800 Received: from sdn-ar-002nynyorp317.dialsprint.net ([168.191.122.95] helo=0017407414) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 166Xut-0000wo-00 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2001 05:59:56 -0800 Message-ID: <001801c17294$ba78f4e0$5f7abfa8@0017407414> From: "Josh Penney" To: References: <200111212050.MAA07318@list.footbag.org> Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium doubledexes [adds] Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:59:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5