From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 3 20:53:27 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16025 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:53:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12199 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:13:15 -0800 From: "Kenny Shults" Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA30369 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:11:41 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id z.f4.1344d808 (16783) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:11:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:11:16 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] A Thought on Difficulty To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Props to Sam for a well thought out proposal. I like many parts of it. I think it is perhaps overly complicated. I think .5 Adds may have some merit, especially in distinguishing half dexes from full dexes. X-Dex does a very good job of rewarding difficult dexterity tricks that get underrated in the current system. However, the X-Dex concept doesn't address the inflated value of the Butterfly and other cheap tricks. Using a .5 Add for each half dex might be a good solution. Lon has an excellent point though in bringing up the difficulty of defining this clearly. I also agree with Lon's point on Presentation. Crowd response should be the most important factor in judging Presentation. I think the current Presentation card over objectifies an aspect of the game that should really be subjective. Judges seem to be judging Presentation based on whether a player attempted to satisfy the category rather than on the quality of their work in that category. There are some pretty pathetic attempts at flyer combos getting pretty high marks in the Floor, Planes and Travel category. I'm really glad Gary Lautt played at Worlds this year to set an example for what can be done in this category. Kenny Shults P.S. As for a difficulty multiplier giving too much weight to the "easy" high difficulty tricks. That's a good point - I sure wouldn't want to see any more cheap sixes and sevens out there. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 3 20:54:13 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16035 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:54:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12224 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:45:01 -0800 Received: from femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.129]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA31733 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:43:28 -0800 Received: from acer ([24.67.167.169]) by femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011201024328.EYES18964.femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com@acer>; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:43:28 -0800 Message-ID: <001b01c17a12$1da46e80$a9a74318@ok.shawcable.net> From: "Jeff Lopes" To: "lon smith" , "Brad Kaplan" , References: <20011130100536.15063.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox X-dexing Adds Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:44:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Liquid wrote, > I can't believe I haven't played a good game of four > square hack since worlds! I also can't believe I'm > going to spend like $500 dollars to go play more four > square in Colorado! I CANT WAIT FOR MORE 4 SQUARE! I played more 4 square than freestyle down at worlds, it is the best and I cant wait to once again take on the Genzu Master and you Lon! Watch out, Ive been practising fakes and tricky serves! Ok, also, I like the add system the way it is right now, I think we should be more concerned about how to get good footbags distributed to kids and also easier ways on getting these people shoes! I have already supplyed my club with shoes and bags. Lon also wrote: >We've spent a lot of brain power on coming up >with as great a system as we have now we just need to >impress the world with how simple and easy our sport >really is to learn. This is what I mean. Footbag is sooooo easy once you get the foundation down. All people need is people to shred with and see the sport. Do demo's, shred at school, host tourny's etc. I cant wait till Feb!! My Reading week is in accordance to CSS3! No school! Yippee! Bus, fly or hitchhike...what ever it takes I will be there! Keep styling and come to colorado. Jeff Lopes P.S. I hit super sonic to super sonic!!!!!!!!!!!!! clip>backspin>backspin>backspin>opp clip = super sonic From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 3 20:55:10 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16050 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:55:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f111.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.111]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13365 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:46:49 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:44:43 -0800 Received: from 209.79.217.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:44:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.79.217.2] From: "Randy Magliocca" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pogo Butterfly question Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:44:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2001 20:44:43.0848 (UTC) FILETIME=[01A11480:01C17AA9] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everybody. Im a freesyle player from Nevada City, CA. Anywase I was just wondering why pogo butterfly only gets four adds. Its Jobs' notations are: CLIP > (NO PLANT WHILE) OP IN [DEX] [BOD] > OP OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL]. See [DEX] [BOD] [DEX] [XBD] [DEL]. Doesn't that add up to 5!!?? Well if you have an answer to my thoughts just e-mail me at freakfootbag@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 3 20:56:35 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16060 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:56:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14040 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 06:13:10 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f53.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.53]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA25569 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:11:33 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:11:33 -0800 Received: from 66.81.17.104 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 06:11:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.81.17.104] From: "andy moore" To: derrick@fogles.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Defending the ADD system Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 06:11:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2001 06:11:33.0544 (UTC) FILETIME=[30FCDA80:01C17AF8] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i agree with lon we should keep the add system uncomlplacated so that new comers add the public will no what in the hell we are talking adout we we say we hit 3-3adds and not 3-2.5 add tricks it just makes you sound alot beter when you and your freinds are hacking and to incorparate this new system would mess everything up.the catagores they have now are fine beacuse it would be boring watching a shred vid if all they did were 2 and three add tricks i like the more diffucult tricks in footbag thats what makes you strive for a goal to go say 30 guiltless contacts and thats a good thing. ANdy man out >From: Derrick Fogle >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Defending the ADD system >Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:18:33 -0600 > >On Friday, November 30, 2001, at 10:48 AM, Scott Davidson wrote: > >>That will add 2-3 new judges needed to score each routine. > >Urk, you're right (Dang). I was thinking strictly in conceptual terms. >We really do need some expansion of categories to differentiate between >some moves that are all considered equal now, but even *more* judges is >a high price to pay. > >Of course, that's the beauty of the simple ranking system! It never >needs more judges (6-8 judges works pretty well) and it automatically >updates itself to always evaluate against the current state of the art. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 3 20:57:09 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16070 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:57:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14751 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:45:16 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f110.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.110]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA21318 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:43:36 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:43:36 -0800 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 22:43:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Shoe preferences... Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 11:43:36 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2001 22:43:36.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[C78D5DA0:01C17B82] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, i'm after a new pair of lavers. The problem is i am not 100% sure which ones to get, either the new milleniums or chinese. So the quetion goes out to the footbag world, what shoes do you guy's and gals think are the best, maybe the type of player one is ie. set preferences may lend itself to certain shoes. Does one have a better toe box does the other have a better inside?Which are lighter? More durable....... So keep me posted, Jonza _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 3 20:58:37 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16090 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:58:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16004 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:46:35 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f126.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.126]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA31064 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:44:53 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:44:49 -0800 Received: from 24.66.137.67 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 20:44:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.66.137.67] From: "Jubal Hume" To: aaron_deglanville@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] A Thought on FOOTBAG Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:44:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2001 20:44:49.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[59B0FAD0:01C17C3B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi to all on the list... I start out talking about one thing and wind up on another topic[s] ...but this is ok...just read on and think..it's all I ask.. first of all we need pre recs...like x number of paradox moves...and x number of symposium moves...etc...I think that the cards are ok [sort of] but need to be implemented as a program...like ice skating... and this is also a Great way to promote choreography... I also want to see the ingenuity of Improv kept in footbag freestyle ...hence the name FREESTYLE.. so here we go again..haha ok..look...how bout this... we all vote on these topics...and or vote for a group who will decide on these topics.. topic ONE-point system for each move [or call it a difficulty system] TWO-link system for the complexity of the moves in a string.... THREE-a program format for the two sections of the freestyle comp...RE:artistic [freestyle] and technical [shred] FOUR-artistic... presentation/originality/new moves/new links or components FIVE-world promotions and furthering the sport globally... I think that we all spend altogether too much time picking at the small details and loose sight of the whole..[me too]..I think footbag needs a conference for this topic alone [RE# FIVE] I propose a meeting of the minds this spring here in Victoria B.C. Canada.. we can set up video conferencing for those who can not attend in person...this CONFERENCE will NOT be to debate adds systems/points and that ilk...just a Giant shred and brain storm on PROMOTING our favorite athletic endeavor!!! Ido know that all aspects of footbag will be breached..lol..but the point will be promotions and success of our art/sport../. all those in favor please respond to my personal e-mail on our web site.... jubal@footbagvideo.com Look you all..I love this sport with all my heart...I wish it only the best...so forgive me if I have ever offended any or all [lol] But do listen to this if you agree with footbag as being the most dynamic and wonderful things we have ever found...and we need to be able to share this with as many as we can..the whole world if possible.. I look at it this way...If those who feel anger and do violence had been exposed to something like or footbag itself..what atrocities could have been avoided...and because of the vast number of players around the world now..what evils have already been avoided by so many people feeling positive and creative and focused...I think we must unite and promote as a world footbag ORG...please think on this... united we share, divided we shred Jubal Hume [footbag lover] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 4 02:26:35 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16606 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 02:26:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16578 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 02:14:10 -0800 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA17230 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:12:27 -0800 Received: from storefull-612.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-612.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.139]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6C01067 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-612.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id SAA24758; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:12:18 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRwe6yl49YJ0e5qBEpnWncgTCZGjwIUJuYjtF6cdssl79iLWofj6mLS4F4= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:12:18 -0500 (EST) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] GF goes north Message-ID: <17630-3C0C3102-188@storefull-612.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Listas! I want to know if there are any shredders in Alaska that aren't listed on footbag.org Please write me if you're there. Thanks, gf From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 4 22:08:00 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17844 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:08:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16675 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 03:37:48 -0800 Received: from attbi.com ([12.238.156.205]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011204033531.GGQD2700.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 03:35:31 +0000 Message-ID: <3C0C4560.2B59D485@attbi.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:39:12 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derrics1@attbi.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pogo Butterfly question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Randy Magliocca wrote: > > I was just wondering why pogo butterfly only gets four adds. Its Jobs' > notations are: CLIP > (NO PLANT WHILE) OP IN [DEX] [BOD] > OP OUT [DEX] > OP > CLIP [XBD] [DEL]. Ok. The only problem with your notation is that the (no plant while) involved in pogo doesn't get the [bod] add. Why? Just because. It is generally accepted that a pogo set is only worth one add. Likewise, it is generally accepted that symposium butterfly is only worth three. That's why dada is 4, not 5. In my opinion, a dex needs to be full to get the symposium. There's been a lot of talk about what is a full dex, but if you read over the whole x-dex thing (you can find it in the archives if you want), the full dex thing is pretty well defined. The only problem I see is that if you do a pogo set, you don't get the symposium, but if you set, then do a symposium mirage, you do. Maybe it isn't all about the full dex - maybe it has something to do with the bag going up (with a set) vs. the bag going down (with a move). I think it is a combination of the two... but, yeah. Pogo doesn't get symposium. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 4 22:08:54 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17849 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:08:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17048 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 06:38:59 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.68.163.143]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA29248 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:37:15 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:25:47 -0800 Received: from 66.73.250.22 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 06:25:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.73.250.22] From: "Tim Werner" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Has anyone hit this? Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 00:25:47 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2001 06:25:47.0732 (UTC) FILETIME=[82F31940:01C17C8C] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, I've been toying around with a new move/set for a while and I was wondering if anyone has hit this. It's a fairy swirling set, jobs goes like this: Toe > same out > op swirl I've only hit toe, osis, and same clipper out of it. It's tricky to get the fairy set clean, but I've done it a handfull of times. I've taken to calling the set "spiraling" I've also taken to calling fairy reverse twirl ( toe > same out > op swirl > back spin > op clip) "spiral". Thoughts? anyone? -Tim Werner Chicago Inner Circle _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 5 19:04:59 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18942 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:04:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA18070 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:57:38 -0800 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA17374 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:55:51 -0800 Received: from 24-205-34-189.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.com ([24.205.34.189] helo=sam) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16BSDu-0002ft-00; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:55:50 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c17d37$f859ea00$bd22cd18@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Tim Werner" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Has anyone hit this? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:53:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Tim Werner" > I've been toying around with a new move/set for a while and I was wondering > if anyone has hit this. It's a fairy swirling set, jobs goes like this: > ive hit this.. ive hit fairy swirling dyno and fairy swirling osis clipper and toe.. trying hard for fairy swirling butterfly and i can do it all both sides i dont like the name spiraling i like spiral but i dont like saying spiraling ya know? but.. i got the idea from watching gf smoothie do toe set same butterfly swirls.. they were fairy swirl style i dont wanna write and say "oh i hit it first so shuttup"... i.. i just want to let you know ive hit it because it took me a lot of work.. peace out -samurai ps.. when you do it.. for anyone else who wants to learn... keep the bag on your toe and jump off your support leg right into the swirl.. the momentum will get the bag off your toe.. bust a little fakie butterfly swirl and heres the trick for a high set and quick response time: dont land on your swirl .... swirl the bag and bring your foot down like normal... it sounds simple but.. i wish i had thought of it earlier :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 5 19:06:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18952 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:06:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA18383 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 04:48:11 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f211.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.211]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA22030 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:46:24 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:46:24 -0800 Received: from 152.163.207.201 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 04:46:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.207.201] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: shredtellicus@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Has anyone hit this? Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:46:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2001 04:46:24.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB10CB30:01C17D47] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Tim Werner" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Has anyone hit this? >Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 00:25:47 -0600 > >Hello everyone, > >I've been toying around with a new move/set for a while and I was wondering >if anyone has hit this. It's a fairy swirling set, jobs goes like this: >Toe > same out > op swirl I've only hit toe, osis, and same clipper out >of >it. It's tricky to get the fairy set clean, but I've done it a handfull of >times. I've taken to calling the set "spiraling" I've also taken to >calling fairy reverse twirl ( toe > same out > op swirl > back spin > op >clip) "spiral". Thoughts? anyone? > >-Tim Werner >Chicago Inner Circle > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Fairy-anything set is sick! Right up there with eli's whirling/blazing sickness and eric reile's tight move on CIC shred rev. swirl rev. swirl (which rippin' probly hit some time ago) or something of that insane nature...keep pushing the envelope in chicago, you're all dope ~Bryan spiral sounds appropriate _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 5 19:23:46 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18987 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:23:46 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:23:46 -0800 From: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Message-Id: <200112060323.TAA18987@list.footbag.org> X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18436 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 06:46:29 -0800 Received: from cicero2.cybercity.dk (cicero2.cybercity.dk [212.242.40.53]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA25289 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:44:41 -0800 Received: from usr01.cybercity.dk (usr01.cybercity.dk [212.242.40.35]) by cicero2.cybercity.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B73FFF12 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:44:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from mads (port277.ds1-amb.adsl.cybercity.dk [217.157.162.30]) by usr01.cybercity.dk (8.11.6/8.11.0) with SMTP id fB56iTX54939 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:44:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kontakt@fodpose.dk) Message-ID: <00de01c17d57$b5031770$0300000a@mads> From: "Mads Hole" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Has anyone hit this? Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:40:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Tim, From more than kicking distance I've also been toying around with fairy sets,, sort of, the last couple of days. I'm really amazed by the speed and high lift in the fairy set which buys you the extra time. I can see where you are going with your fairy swirling set and I look forward to check it out. So far I've to my own surprise hit fairy reverse swirl, fairy dyno and went for blurry dyno but haven't sealed that one completely. Anyway there are still a lot of cool fairy moves to hit and thanks for contributing with your "hot add"-set. You wrote: > calling fairy reverse twirl ( toe > same out > op swirl > back spin > op > clip) "spiral". Thoughts? anyone? Sounds cool to me. I call a fairy dyno ( TOE > SAME OUT > OP OUT [DEX] > (back) SPIN [BOD] > SAME CLIP [XBD] [DEL] ) a "corkscrew". I hope nobody minds! Is there a move-list besides the one on footbag.org because I often hear about of tricks I can find there? Mads Hole Denmark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Werner" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: [freestyle] Has anyone hit this? > Hello everyone, > > I've been toying around with a new move/set for a while and I was wondering > if anyone has hit this. It's a fairy swirling set, jobs goes like this: > Toe > same out > op swirl I've only hit toe, osis, and same clipper out of > it. It's tricky to get the fairy set clean, but I've done it a handfull of > times. I've taken to calling the set "spiraling" I've also taken to > calling fairy reverse twirl ( toe > same out > op swirl > back spin > op > clip) "spiral". Thoughts? anyone? > > -Tim Werner > Chicago Inner Circle > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 5 21:18:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19145 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 21:18:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-13.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.13]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19123 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:45:09 -0800 Received: from pd5mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.144]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GNW005481JDBI@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:42:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml6so (pn2ml6so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.150]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GNW00CEE1JDUX@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:42:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from k1 ([24.70.216.74]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with SMTP id <0GNW00ETK1HN50@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:41:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:43:22 -0800 From: Allan Haggett Subject: [freestyle] Jeremy Kumbruch on TV To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: <006d01c17dcd$7b1313a0$6501a8c0@gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello List :o) Just thought I'd give a shout out to Jeremy Kumbruch for this clip that has been running on our local TV station here in Victoria for a couple of weeks now. Check it out on the download gallery at www.footbagvideo.com or just download it directly if you don't want to look at the web site I built... don't worry, I won't be offended..... well, maybe just a little.... ;-p http://freefootbag.org/misc/JerNewVI.mpg The gallery on www.footbagvideo.com has some other video's y'all might be interested in too.... ummmm, bye!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 6 00:37:08 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19364 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 00:37:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.39]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19341 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 00:10:56 -0800 Received: from alex ([24.50.240.141]) by smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GNWB2B00.JTC for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:08:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c17d9e$9780f400$0301a8c0@clvhoh.adelphia.net> From: "alex ciarlillo" To: Subject: [freestyle] beginner Q's (4) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:07:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, I have been reading the list for a while and have decided to sit down and compile a couple of questions my friend and I have about footbag. let me start by saying we have been hacking for maybe a month-month and a half. In the beginning it was when we were bored but it has grown into an obsession. We can do all the basics, toe stall, outside stall, all the basic kicks, clipper and flying clipper. I have just begun to regularly get clipper stalls and leg overs are pretty easy now, and my friend is getting close to hitting both (he broke his ankle and is finally out of his cast). my first question is how do you get a clipper stall so high into the air? I want to start doing clipper sets but cant get the bag above my waist. I have tried lowering my foot all the way to the ground after stalling but that just results in the footbag rolling off. Any help here would be appreciated. next, around the world!?! how do you do it? I read a couple tips on footbag.org that say it is really easy and such but i CANNOT get it! I am like a tenth of a second of and an inch to the left of the footbag everytime i try it. third question, where should I go from here? I have tried going from leg over into clipper stall (butterfly?) and think that is a lil above my level yet. Are there any other tricks I should be trying/doing? I can combine all my stalls from toe stall to clipper stall any foot to any foot. Outside stall to opposite foot clipper. I cant link one clipper stall to another though or get the bag across my body to do a same foot outside to clipper stall. and the last question, I have a dirtbag as of now and getting an Alpha for more circle playing since our circle is growing so quickly, started with us 2 and we now we have 4 others that come everyday and 2-3 that show up once or twice a weak. Is the Alpha a good choice and what other footbag might i want to upgrade to next? Also one more question i forgot about, shoes, will rod lavers REALLY improve my performance? I have adidas superstars now. Also any footbaggers here from the NE ohio area? Thanks in advance, Alex From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 7 19:16:38 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21711 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:16:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21659 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:42:05 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f122.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.122]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA09055 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:40:08 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:28:07 -0800 Received: from 209.52.223.214 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:28:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.52.223.214] From: "Jonathan Zaleski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Mmmmmmm...... Footbag Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 10:28:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2001 18:28:07.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAA77690:01C17F4C] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo list Hows it goin? Right now I have the hugest craving to shred, but Im sick as a dog and in no condition to even try. So by writing the list Im hoping to satisfy my craving hopefully a little.First off I got some questions. What has been hit set from a dragon? What has been hit ending in motion? Anyone hit any new dodging/weaving moves? What pixie ducking and fairy ducking moves have been hit? Has anyone hit anything ending in a whirr? " " " a double dexing blender(whirr bail to an osis)? Whats been hit into eggbeater? Anyone hit symposium or stomping eggbeater? Fairy quantum or atomic set? If people can do barraging set then wouldnt it be possible to do a paradon set(jobs: toe >op out>same out>) Double fairy? A double dexing Illusion? How many quadruple dexing moves have been hit? Sailing or shooting double legover? Sailing or shooting same double legover? What ripwalk moves have been hit? Has there ever been any comps for highest sets? K, thats all the questions I can think of right now. Got any tips for: Stepping out of a dragon? Quantum sets? Sailing sets? Frantic set? Flail(tips will be very well appreciated for this, Ive bailed many a time tryng to hit this) Revstein/Ripstein Ducking a stepping set? Sympsium Swirling? Getting rid of a cold? Unfortuneatly I think my plan of losing my cravng has backfired on me ,now I really need to play, DAMN!! Pre-thanx for all replies. Yours Truly, Jon Zaleski _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 7 20:05:05 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21807 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:05:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21774 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:53:43 -0800 Received: from ibooktang.salk.edu (ibooktang.salk.edu [198.202.67.178]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11939 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:51:47 -0800 Received: from cameron by ibooktang.salk.edu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16CREd-0007GI-00 for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 12:04:39 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: cameron kennedy Reply-To: ckennedy@ems.salk.edu Organization: Salk institute To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Mmmmmmm...... Footbag Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:04:39 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > What ripwalk moves have been hit? lots, i would suppose, here are a few grabbing variations on the ripwalk gripwalk clip->op in[dex] ->outside grab ->op out[dex] . . . gripped warrior same as ripped warrior, but with a grab entangle drifter->xbody grab-> symposium butterfly scamper clip->op in [dex] ->same IO Grab ->op butterfly [dex] . . . IO-inside out, grab is performed from behind the knee on the front of ankle throttle clip->op in [dex] -> same outside grab ->op outsidegrab ->op out [dex]... basically the double grabbing ripwalk Cameron From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 19:16:28 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25989 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:16:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f41.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.41]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23379 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 21:48:54 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:46:25 -0800 Received: from 161.184.26.249 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:46:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.26.249] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] What's in a name? Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 14:46:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2001 21:46:25.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8E26E80:01C18031] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List! I've heard a few names of moves, but I don't know what the moves are! They're pretty cool names. Does anyone know what they are? Nucleosis Neurosis Blurrosis Osmosis Atom Bomb Neutron Bomb Paratrooper Paratron Also, what's it called when you set with a double illusion? Thanks list! PS:All I want for Christmas is a long list of pixie moves! I'm really short on pixie moves on my list, and flooded with fairy moves. Easy, Dylan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 19:17:26 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25994 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:17:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24591 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:45:40 -0800 Received: from web20701.mail.yahoo.com (web20701.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.174]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA27448 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 10:43:38 -0800 Message-ID: <20011209184338.38403.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.144.74] by web20701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:43:38 PST Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 10:43:38 -0800 (PST) From: lon smith Subject: Re: [freestyle] Has anyone hit this? To: Bryan Fournier , shredtellicus@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Yall. Someone wrote: > I've also taken to > >calling fairy reverse twirl ( toe > same out > op > swirl > back spin > op > >clip) "spiral". Thoughts? anyone? > > > >-Tim Werner > >Chicago Inner Circle Great move! My old best friend Reuben Cohn hit fairy symposium twirl his sophmore year in high school back in 1996. He called it switcherue. I still use switcherue. 1)left toe set butterflying 2)symposium 3)swirling 4)left foot osis Signed Lon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 19:20:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26011 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:20:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f106.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.106]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24727 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:52:44 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:50:11 -0800 Received: from 209.79.217.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 21:50:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.79.217.2] From: "Randy Magliocca" Subject: [freestyle] Anyone using "Enchanter" as nickname? To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 21:50:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2001 21:50:11.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A331800:01C180FB] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all! Most of you probably don't care about this but I was just wondering is there anyone out there who has a nickname "The Enchanter" cause if not i'm changing my old name, freakfoot, to The Enchanter. Well shred on. Later. Randy Magliocca(freakfoot or Enchanter) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 19:21:42 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26021 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:21:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24957 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 02:49:24 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f161.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.161]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA16707 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:47:21 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:47:12 -0800 Received: from 65.117.26.21 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 02:47:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.117.26.21] From: "Ben Schmaltz" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Skooling 4-add strings Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:47:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2001 02:47:12.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[F865A020:01C18124] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was wondering what would be some good four add srings to work on that I could work on. I can hit blury wirl, atom smasher,leg beatter, park walk, pixie butterfly, blur, and quantom meriage and butterfly only on the right side. these are my most consistent 4adds and was wondering some good strings or maybe some moves to work on to throw in there any info would be much appriciated. Ben Schmaltz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 19:24:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26033 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:24:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25664 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:27:04 -0800 Received: from malibu.cc.uga.edu (malibu.cc.uga.edu [128.192.1.103]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA08183 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:24:58 -0800 Received: from archa9.cc.uga.edu (arch9.cc.uga.edu) by malibu.cc.uga.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <1.0059FE97@malibu.cc.uga.edu>; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:24:56 -0500 Received: from integer.uga.edu (host-216-76-167-82.ahn.bellsouth.net [216.76.167.82]) by archa9.cc.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA168786 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:23:49 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011210101222.00a24300@imap.arches.uga.edu> X-Sender: integer@imap.arches.uga.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:20:04 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Xander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Chicago New Year's Jam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Stylers, Pop Quiz: is there anyone that wants to split a hotel room with me at the Chicago Jam in a few weeks? Or perhaps I can jump in on someone's room ... I'm unobtrusive and housebroken---plus I have money. Reply to me personally. On a second note, I have a question about barfly. I've read all the tips online and watched numerous stylers pull barfly on video ... but I can't seem to figure it out. I've got paradon and double over down figured out pretty consistently, and in these two you can start the dexes while the bag is on the way up. It seems like the dexes for barfly are limited to just after the apex of the bag (like in a pdx whirl). Any tips would be most appreciated. Alex Faber Integer of Penn State Trio Original Recipe From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 20:09:27 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26265 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:09:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26249 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:06:32 -0800 Received: from dnvrpop7.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop7.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.9]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA21900 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:04:26 -0800 Received: (qmail 94091 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2001 20:04:22 -0000 Received: from dslpppf54.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO mindspring.com) (63.225.101.54) by dnvrpop7.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 20:04:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:03:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3C15152B.757AE288@mindspring.com> From: "Ernest Crvich" To: freestyle@footbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Anyone using "Enchanter" as nickname? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Randy Magliocca wrote: > is there anyone out there who has a nickname "The Enchanter" cause if not i'm > changing my old name, freakfoot, to The Enchanter. Well shred on. Later. Speaking of George Hamilton...unless anyone has any objections, I would also like to change my self-appointed nickname from nothing to "The Expectorator". Everyone thought I was joking about requiring goggles and protective headgear. Well, this name should significantly improve/repair my image as well as prevent further agonizing "accidents" and panic-stricken calls to 911. I'm certain there will be an official "posse" for folks like me someday, but for now I'll content myself with the informal "Go Over There, Please...No, Farther" Posse, as it currently exists. Mama always said I was the moistest, and she was right. It's just a pity that so many people have to suffer mental and physical trauma as a result. So to all those living and not-quite-living that I've inadvertantly maimed, lacerated, or corroded, this new name is in your honor. -- Ernest M. Crvich Boulder, CO Have footbag, will shred From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 20:28:03 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26302 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:28:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26278 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:17:26 -0800 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA22454 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:15:21 -0800 Received: from 24-205-34-189.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.com ([24.205.34.189] helo=sam) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16DWpZ-0003sq-00; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:15:17 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01c181b7$008ca4a0$bd22cd18@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Dylan Livingston" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:12:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Dylan Livingston" > PS:All I want for Christmas is a long list of pixie moves! I'm really short > on pixie moves on my list, and flooded with fairy moves. Merry Christmas Dylan. Hey list can you make sure I got his present right? I guess reply to me with any additions/subtractions/matricies. I hope I get a triple dex for x-mas. -Sam Colclough pixie 2 adds toe > same in > op toe double pixie = terrage 3adds toe > same in > same in > op toe pixie mirage = smear 3 adds toe > same in > op in > op toe pixie same mirage 3 adds toe > same in (plant) > same in > op toe pixie pickup 3 adds toe > same in > op in > same toe pixie same pickup 3 adds toe > same in > same in > same toe pixie illusion = smudge 3 adds toe > same in > op out > op toe pixie same illussion 3 adds toe > same in > same out > op toe pixie legover 3 adds toe > same in > op out > same toe pixie double switchover (nice bryan) 4 adds toe > same in > op out > same out > same toe pixie same double switchver (nice anyone?) 4 adds toe > same in > same out > same out > same toe pixie same legover = magellen 3 adds toe > same in > same out > same toe pixie osis 4 adds toe > same in > op osis (inspinning clipper?) pixie same osis 4 adds toe > same in > same osis pixie whirl 4 adds toe > same in > op in > op clip pixie same whirl 4 adds toe > same in > same in > op clip pixie blender 5 adds toe > same in > op in > same osis pixie same blender 5 adds toe > same in > same in > same osis pixie double legover 4 adds toe > same in > op in > op out > same toe pixie same double legover 4 adds toe > same in > same in > op out > same toe pixie eggbeater = pigbeater 5 adds (xdex?) toe > same in > op out > op out > same toe pixie same eggbeater 5 adds (xdex?) toe > same in > same out > op out > same toe pixie symposium eggbeater = pandemonium 6 adds (xdex?) toe > same in > (no plant while) op out > op out > same toe pixie same symposium eggbeater 6 adds (xdex?) toe > same in > (no plant while) same out > op out > same toe (Are these jobs correct when the symposium is taken into account?) pixie drifter = smoke 4 adds toe > same in > op in > same clip terraging same clipper (w or w/o plant) 4 adds toe > same in > same in > same clip pixie torque 5 adds toe > same in > op in > op osis terraging op osis (w or w/o plant) 5 adds toe > same in > same in > op osis pixie barroque 6 adds (anyone hit it?) toe > same in > op in > same in > op osis pixie butterfly = dimwalk 4 adds toe > same in > op out > op clip pixie same butterfly = parkwalk 4 adds toe > same in > same out > op clip pixie paradon 5 adds toe > same in > op out > same out > op clip pixie double over down 5 adds toe > same in > same out > same out > op clip pixie barrage 4 adds toe > same in > op in > same in > op toe pixie same barrage (or terraging same mirage) 4 adds toe > same in > same in > same in > op toe pixie da da curve 6 adds (if its done correctly?) toe > same in > op in > (no plant while) op out > op clip pixie same da da curve 6 adds (if its done correctly?) toe > same in > same in > (no plant while) op out > op clip pixie dragonfly kick 3 adds toe > same in > op in > op flying inside pixie same dragonfly kick 3 adds toe > same in > same in > op flying inside pixie butterfly kick 4 adds toe > same in > op out > op flying clipper pixie same butterfly kick 4 adds toe > same in > same out > op flying clipper pixie inspinning toe 3 adds toe > same in > inspin > op (same) toe pixie inspinning mirage 4 adds toe > same in > inspin > same in > op toe pixie inspinning op legover 4 adds toe > same in > inspin > op out > same toe pixie inspinning dlo (anyone hit this ever?) 5 adds toe > same in > inspin > same in > op out > same toe terraging legover = enterrage 4 adds toe > same in > same in > op out > same toe terraging same legover 4 adds toe > same in > same in > same out > same toe terraging illusion 4 adds toe > same in > same in > op out > op toe terraging same illusion (anyone hit this ever?) 4 adds toe > same in > same in > same out > op toe Then theres anything ending on dragon, x-body rake rake, heel, sole, and/or forhead. Also you can duck/dive in between almost anything. I hope this made someones day. Sam Colclough ps. You can't spell Sam Colclough without using letters.. the same letters with which Lon Smith is written. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 20:51:38 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26358 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:51:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26343 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:49:19 -0800 From: Andrew Coleman Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA24231 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:47:13 -0800 Received: from CrazyHackier@cs.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id z.128.909a627 (16635) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:47:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <128.909a627.2946794b@cs.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:47:07 EST Subject: [freestyle] Doubles To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 113 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Is there a different scoring system for doubles routines than there is in singles? Is there sort ofJob's Notation for doubles moves? -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 22:39:12 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00420 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:39:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00417 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:39:11 -0800 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA28377 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:38:49 -0800 Received: from I ([216.222.172.21]) by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20011210223844.ITBM647.fep1.excitehome.net@I> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:38:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@209.125.90.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <128.909a627.2946794b@cs.com> References: <128.909a627.2946794b@cs.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:33:42 +1100 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Doubles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 3:47 PM -0500 12/10/01, Andrew Coleman wrote: >Is there a different scoring system for doubles routines than there is in >singles? Not really, just that in doubles there's a 6th add category, the "co-op" add, in doubles. You get a co-op add in any of the following three cases: (1) if two players do the same move at exactly the same time, the move is awarded a co-op add for synchronization (even if the players do the move on opposite sides of their bodies); (2) if one player does any move (worth 1 add or more) and links that move into another move (worth 1 add or more) performed by the other player, the pass is awarded a co-op add for "add-to-add passing"; this is because a player setting another player for a trick is harder than a player setting himself or herself; (3) if one player performs a dexterity in a move where the other player makes the final contact within a move, the move is awarded a co-op add for "hooping"; this is because the move is much harder to perform with someone else's leg in the way. (Note, the dexterity I mentioned is *not* a real dexterity; e.g., it does not merit a dexterity add -- but rather the co-op add alone. Dexterity adds can only be attributed to dexterities performed by the same player doing the contact that ends the move.) >Is there sort ofJob's Notation for doubles moves? No, unfortunately not. We generally just describe the move in terms of its one-person version, then explain whether it's modified as per one of the above three cases. The hard one to deal with is case 3, where we generally say it's a "hooping" whatever, or that one player hoops while the other player does x or y thing. There are double-hooping moves, too, and in fact, it gets pretty complicated to explain when two players are both doing double-dexes off the same set, etc. We could probably use a Job's modifier for hoops if enough people get into doubles. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 12 22:57:02 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03410 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:57:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00681 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:26:25 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA01467 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:26:02 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GO501C01L79J0@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:25:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GO501C06L79GJ@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:25:57 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:10:11 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Laver Millenium II To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <3C093B42@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org For anyone who was bummed about the discontinuation of the Milleniums, I thought I'd inform y'all that the Millenium 2's are out. I saw them on adidas.com. I haven't gotten my own pair yet, but they look the same as the first Milleniums and I hear the support is even better. I would guess the weight is about the same. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 12 22:59:01 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03421 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:59:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01466 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:07:31 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.68.163.70]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA29740 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:07:07 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:07:07 -0800 Received: from 193.229.6.165 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:07:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.229.6.165] From: "Jussi Raitio" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:07:07 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2001 12:07:07.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AC19810:01C1823C] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Sam Colclough" >To: "Dylan Livingston" , >Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:12:32 -0800 > >From: "Dylan Livingston" > > PS:All I want for Christmas is a long list of pixie moves! I'm really >short > > on pixie moves on my list, and flooded with fairy moves. > >Merry Christmas Dylan. Hey list can you make sure I got his present right? >I >guess reply to me with any additions/subtractions/matricies. I hope I get a >triple dex for x-mas. > >-Sam Colclough >Then theres anything ending on dragon, x-body rake rake, heel, sole, and/or >forhead. Also you can duck/dive in between almost anything. I hope this >made >someones day. > >Sam Colclough > I would add some pixie moves to Sam`s list: Pixie same symposium whirl Terraging same butterfly (I`ve been so close!) and great pixie x-body rake Pixie>knee kick(gimppi?)> symposium whirl, >DLO, >Ducking Butterfly and mirage(also without knee kick), > symposium mirage and flail I would ask about quantum set: Is toe blur now with x-dex 4 add? Have somebody done pixie symp. quantum something? I`ve done the set but nothing from it. How about symposium quantum same symposium mirage? Have somebody done anything from magellan? Jussi Raitio _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 12 22:59:31 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03431 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:59:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01478 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:17:12 -0800 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA29981 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:16:47 -0800 Received: from laxerone@netscape.net by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id z.52.151d767 (16233) for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.134]) by air-in02.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILININ29-1211071620; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:16:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:16:20 -0500 From: laxerone@netscape.net (Jan Zimmermann) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: Re: [freestyle] Anyone using "Enchanter" as nickname? Message-ID: <3AA73430.5C1BC25A.009ED3DE@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Ernest Crvich" wrote: >Randy Magliocca wrote: >> is there anyone out there who has a nickname "The Enchanter" cause if not i'm >> changing my old name, freakfoot, to The Enchanter. Well shred on. Later. I always believed names were "given", "earned" or "bestowed" upon someone by somebody else (or a group of somebody elses)...silly me. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 12 23:00:43 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03444 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:00:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02892 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:26:29 -0800 Received: from gigi.excite.com (gigi.atext.com [199.172.152.110]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA26165; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:26:01 -0800 Received: from doodle.excite.com ([199.172.153.125]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20011212152601.OOKL23434.gigi.excite.com@doodle.excite.com>; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:26:01 -0800 Message-ID: <25691393.1008170761021.JavaMail.imail@doodle.excite.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:26:01 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Davidson To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Doubles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 64.178.34.131 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:33:42 +1100, Steve Goldberg wrote: >The hard one to deal with is case 3, > where we generally say it's a "hooping" whatever, or that one player > hoops while the other player does x or y thing. There are > double-hooping moves, too, and in fact, it gets pretty complicated to > explain when two players are both doing double-dexes As Steve points out, the term "hooping" is coined for Team Freestyle. I thought this would be a good time to mention that in Singles, when the player encircles the footbag with their hands, it is called Threading, not Hooping. And when they go through their fingers, it is called "Lautting," in honor of the great one. FYI. > set, etc. We could probably use a Job's modifier for hoops if enough > people get into doubles. Eeek! Repeat. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener@footbag.org ______________________________________________________________________________ Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite Messenger http://messenger.excite.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 13 01:06:11 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03789 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:06:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03750 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:47:25 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f216.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.216]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA28527 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:46:56 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:35:25 -0800 Received: from 205.188.198.26 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:35:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.198.26] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: jussiraitio@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:35:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 00:35:25.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E7DA100:01C1836E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Jussi Raitio" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? >Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:07:07 +0200 > >>From: "Sam Colclough" >>To: "Dylan Livingston" , >>Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? >>Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:12:32 -0800 >> >>From: "Dylan Livingston" >> > PS:All I want for Christmas is a long list of pixie moves! I'm really >>short >> > on pixie moves on my list, and flooded with fairy moves. >> >>Merry Christmas Dylan. Hey list can you make sure I got his present right? >>I >>guess reply to me with any additions/subtractions/matricies. I hope I get >>a >>triple dex for x-mas. >> >>-Sam Colclough > > > >>Then theres anything ending on dragon, x-body rake rake, heel, sole, >>and/or >>forhead. Also you can duck/dive in between almost anything. I hope this >>made >>someones day. >> >>Sam Colclough >> >I would add some pixie moves to Sam`s list: > >Pixie same symposium whirl >Terraging same butterfly (I`ve been so close!) >and great pixie x-body rake >Pixie>knee kick(gimppi?)> symposium whirl, >DLO, >Ducking Butterfly and >mirage(also without knee kick), > symposium mirage and flail > >I would ask about quantum set: >Is toe blur now with x-dex 4 add? >Have somebody done pixie symp. quantum something? I`ve done the set but >nothing from it. How about symposium quantum same symposium mirage? >Have somebody done anything from magellan? > >Jussi Raitio I started hitting symp. quantam set about a month ago and since then i've hit symp qauntam mirage, rev. mirage and and op.butterfly... it's a hard set to get clean but kinda cool... what about "simple" moves... our club OOPS! has seen a few of these they look cool when done with bigger like 4 add moves, like simple blur, with the second dex being simple... just playtime stuff tho... on pixie i've hit pixie x-body rake both sides. i called it isotope, but that name shud probly should be used for some nutty nuclear move maybe nuclear x-body rake or like backside symp. pdx atom smasher. ~Bryan OOPS! Footbag est. the 80's _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 13 04:29:28 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04200 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:29:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03865 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:16:57 -0800 Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA01090 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:16:26 -0800 Received: from psu.edu (tnt2-165-46.cac.psu.edu [130.203.165.46]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA147980; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:16:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3C180FA5.842BBC17@psu.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:17:09 -0500 From: Kaiser Ahmad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Anyone using "Enchanter" as nickname? References: <3AA73430.5C1BC25A.009ED3DE@netscape.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jan Zimmermann wrote: > I always believed names were "given", "earned" or "bestowed" upon someone by somebody else (or a group of somebody elses)...silly me. (To Jan Zimmerman and anyone else who agrees with Jan, please understand that I am in no way trying to tell you "how it is" or "how it's going to be." This is just simply another viewpoint and my unsupported personal opinion. So please take no offense.) Ummm... actually, when we made PennStateTrio, we kind of gave ourselves names because: 1. We just made a cool club 2. It is fun to make a name for yourself in a club 3. Why get a name that you don't like from someone else; Make your own that you will be happy with 4. It's ok to do this There is nothing wrong with giving yourself a name. It does not necessarily mean that you have to be recognized (i.e. BAP) to have a name. You can be in any club and have a name, especially when it is just for fun. In regards to footbag, if you are that good and have a name "bestowed" upon you, then so be it, that's great (by the way, I think BAP members get to choose their own names rather than having one "bestowed" upon them). But getting a name doesn't necessarily mean that you are being knighted or anything. You don't have to be good enough or be recognized to have an alias, or to have someone else bestow one upon you. Therefore, it doesn't require that you are "given" one if you are just doing it for yourself and no one else. I have a name, and I have it just for the sole purpose of novelty so that I can add a different degree of fun for myself with regards to being in my club. I think that I have addressed this thread correctly, but if I have misunderstood Jan's reply to it, then my bad, and someone please correct me. The best times in life was when you were a little kid, you played all sorts of different make-believe games, and you had the coolest names for yourself for each game. It added a different dimension of immense fun and involvement to the game. Soze PennStateTrio P.S. Steve Goldberg (in my eyes, "GF Stevie" (GF = Godfather)) is the man. Thanks for the listserv and footbag.org. Ok, enough Christmas thanks and ass kissing. P.P.S. Don't mean to bite too hard off of Greg Nelson's name, sorry. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 13 04:32:05 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04221 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:32:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f31.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.31]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03736 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:28:59 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:28:00 -0800 Received: from 161.184.27.83 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:27:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.27.83] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Footbag Frenzy Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:27:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 00:28:00.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[052B9220:01C1836D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List. Just got one more move name I haven't seen before. What's Assassin? Cool name BTW, whoever came up with it. For those wondering, I only got one reply about the other names, Osmosis, Neurosis, Nucleosis, and Blurrosis. Osmosis is a Slapping Osis, ie: right toe set quantum, plant, spin clockwise, left osis. Like a toe-blender with a plant. Maybe Blurrosis is another name for Blurry Torque. Is Nucleosis a Nuclear Torque? If it is, Shazam! No clue about Neurosis, but it ought to be Whirling Twirl. I know I'm obsessed with finding someone who's hit Whirling Twirl, but it's just such a cool move! If noone's hit Whirling Twirl, has anyone hit Butterfly Twirl? I know Spiral is the new name for Fairy Swirling osis, but a true infinity style butterfly twirl would be sick. Paradon Twirl? Superfly Twirl? Torch-r-rack Twirl? Nemesis Twirl? Barraging Superfly Twirling Swivel??? (12 add) Twirling Twirl would be cool. alright then, time for my medication (Footbag). Later list, Dylan _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 13 15:36:33 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04685 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:36:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h000.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.206]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA04304 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:27:32 -0800 Received: (cpmta 21423 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 21:26:23 -0800 Received: from 64.194.176.97 (HELO ghostpirate) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.206) with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 21:26:23 -0800 X-Sent: 13 Dec 2001 05:26:23 GMT Message-ID: <000901c18396$9db98a00$61b0c240@ghostpirate> From: "Chris Pinkus" To: Subject: [freestyle] Anyone hit symposium tapping symp (and more)? Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:25:45 -0800 Organization: OOPS! Freestyle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Has anyone hit symposium tapping symposium dlo? symposium tapping symposium eggbeater? symposium atomic spinning mirage? And whats the record for consecutive symposium uniques, if there is any? Check out my mohawk too: http://www.oopsfreestyle.com/images/chris/mohawk.jpg Chris Pinkus From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 13 15:40:41 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04697 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:40:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04332 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:16:44 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f62.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.62]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA11173 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:16:14 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:16:11 -0800 Received: from 205.188.192.184 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:16:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.192.184] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:16:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 06:16:11.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8EBBBD0:01C1839D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Bryan Fournier" >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:35:25 -0800 > >>From: "Jussi Raitio" >>Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:07:07 +0200 >> >>>From: "Sam Colclough" >>>Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:12:32 -0800 >>> >>>From: "Dylan Livingston" >>> > PS:All I want for Christmas is a long list of pixie moves! >>> >>>Merry Christmas Dylan. Hey list can you make sure I got his present >>>right? < Moderator's SNIP (you guys should learn to do this, too ;) > >I started hitting symp. quantam set about a month ago and since then i've >hit symp qauntam mirage, rev. mirage and and op.butterfly... it's a hard >set >to get clean but kinda cool... what about "simple" moves... our club OOPS! >has seen a few of these they look cool when done with bigger like 4 add >moves, like simple blur, with the second dex being simple... just playtime >stuff tho... on pixie i've hit pixie x-body rake both sides. i called it >isotope, but that name shud probly should be used for some nutty nuclear >move maybe nuclear x-body rake or like backside symp. pdx atom smasher. > >~Bryan >OOPS! Footbag >est. the 80's Just to correct myself, i wrote about OOPS! hitting simple blur but simple blur isn't really possible; what I meant was blurry pickup or "blurb" as we've dubbed it. That move that big add chad and jay crook and a grip:) of people hit consistently. So anyway, a simple blurb with the second dex being simple. Ya woo crazy stuff i know, but ya i just wanted to clarify. Try it for shits and giggles i guess. As far as pixie x-body rake, maybe it was called swerve, i forgot... Then what's swish, or swoosh or double over swish? and whoa! to that reuben cohn guy who hit that crazy move lon was talking about, i new he was good when i saw him hit blurry whirl in a intermediate routine at westerns that year... ya where is that guy?, he shredded anyway retreat back to lovely metropolis later ~Bryan Fournier OOPS! freestyle LA, CA. est. 198? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 13 15:41:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04707 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:41:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f41.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.41]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04478 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:48:34 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:47:34 -0800 Received: from 203.0.238.3 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:47:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.0.238.3] From: "Brendan Erskine" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag Frenzy Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:47:32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 09:47:34.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[30992370:01C183BB] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Brendan here. An assassin is a pixie ducking mirage. Lynton my fellow Australian freestyler hit's it often and named it. He has also named the following: Atomic ducking mirage - Rasmus Atomic dlo - predator pixie ducking dlo - goliath atomic inspinning dlo - cataclism. If anyone has other names for these, reply away. Last thing. Do these moves have names? - pixie ducking torque, atomic inspinning torque. Anyway shred on. Brendan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 13 15:42:45 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04720 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:42:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04522 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:45:28 -0800 Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA18409 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:44:57 -0800 Received: from laxerone@netscape.net by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id b.e9.28ae7ab (16220); Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m01.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.129]) by air-in01.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILININ18-1213064419; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:44:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:44:18 -0500 From: LaxerOne@netscape.net (Jan Zimmermann) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: Re: [freestyle] Anyone using "Enchanter" as nickname? Message-ID: <3522E883.5D4E1BB1.0078AB1E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I apologize for the (kind of) rude phrasing of my post. Of course I don't object to giving yourself a name, I just believe making it public on the list each time you give yourself a new name is not very sensible. Having a name given to you is something special, be it by BAP or just the circle of people kicking with you and should not be dilluted by people posting to the list the names they give themselves. Otherwise, sooner or later, we'll have people posting every name they give themselves to the list... Second I think (and this is my opinion) giving yourself a name is kind of pretentious. No, if its inside your circle of friends and comunity and more or less just for fun (like when we were kids right?), and no, if you're asked which name you would like to carry if your BAPtised (is this really the procedure, can somebody clarify this point?), although in this case I still think it's kind of shady. But yes, it is pretentious if you announce it to the public. Is somebodies style enchanting? Is it for him to decide? He might have the grace of a stone brick for all that I know. Yes, you might like a name you give yourself better, but I'd say a (respectfull) name you are given is more true. OK, my 5 Pfennigs again. Yours truly Jan "and just Jan" Zimmermann Kaiser Ahmad wrote: >Jan Zimmermann wrote: > >> I always believed names were "given", "earned" or "bestowed" upon someone by somebody else (or a group of somebody elses)...silly me. > >(To Jan Zimmerman and anyone else who agrees with Jan, please understand that I am in no way trying to tell you "how it is" or "how it's going to be." This is just >simply another viewpoint and my unsupported personal opinion. So please take no offense.) > >Ummm... actually, when we made PennStateTrio, we kind of gave ourselves names because: >1. We just made a cool club >2. It is fun to make a name for yourself in a club >3. Why get a name that you don't like from someone else; Make your own that > you will be happy with >4. It's ok to do this > >There is nothing wrong with giving yourself a name. It does not necessarily mean that you have to be recognized (i.e. BAP) to have a name. You can be in any club >and have a name, especially when it is just for fun. >In regards to footbag, if you are that good and have a name "bestowed" upon you, then so be it, that's great (by the way, I think BAP members get to choose their >own names rather than having one "bestowed" upon them). But getting a name doesn't necessarily mean that you are being knighted or anything. You don't have to be >good enough or be recognized to have an alias, or to have someone else bestow one upon you. Therefore, it doesn't require that you are "given" one if you are just >doing it for yourself and no one else. I have a name, and I have it just for the sole purpose of novelty so that I can add a different degree of fun for myself >with regards to being in my club. >I think that I have addressed this thread correctly, but if I have misunderstood Jan's reply to it, then my bad, and someone please correct me. >The best times in life was when you were a little kid, you played all sorts of different make-believe games, and you had the coolest names for yourself for each >game. It added a different dimension of immense fun and involvement to the game. > >Soze >PennStateTrio > >P.S. Steve Goldberg (in my eyes, "GF Stevie" (GF = Godfather)) is the man. Thanks for the listserv and footbag.org. Ok, enough Christmas thanks and ass kissing. > >P.P.S. Don't mean to bite too hard off of Greg Nelson's name, sorry. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 14 20:13:48 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08987 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:13:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05279 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:20:47 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f196.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.196]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA03149 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:20:15 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:20:15 -0800 Received: from 198.60.195.21 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:20:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.60.195.21] From: "Jim Penske" To: freestyle_spaz@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:20:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 19:20:15.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[31BF1E80:01C1840B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo list! Swerve is a drifting cross body rake. Double over swish is a double down x-body rake. I dont know what swish is. I thought of a possible new move. Has anyone hit paradox stomping dlo. paradox stomping dlo= paratrooper? stepping paradox stomping dlo= blurry paratrooper What other new moves have people been hitting? Peace, Jim Penske >From: "Bryan Fournier" >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:16:10 -0800 > >>From: "Bryan Fournier" >>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:35:25 -0800 >> >>>From: "Jussi Raitio" >>>Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:07:07 +0200 >>> >>>>From: "Sam Colclough" >>>>Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:12:32 -0800 >>>> >>>>From: "Dylan Livingston" >>>> > PS:All I want for Christmas is a long list of pixie moves! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 14 20:14:26 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08992 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:14:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05326 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:22:33 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA06604 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:22:01 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GOA02B01TWCNO@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:21:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GOA02BD3TWCV7@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:21:48 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:05:58 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] What's in a name? To: freestyle Message-id: <3C0AE94A@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >isotope, but that name shud probly should be used for some nutty nuclear >move maybe nuclear x-body rake or like backside symp. pdx atom smasher. I started hitting Symposium Pdx Atom Smasher about two years ago (though never hitting it consistently) and I know Yacine has hit it a bunch too. I started calling it S.P.A.S. (that last "s" sounding like a "Z"). Who else hits it? Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 14 20:15:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08997 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:15:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05355 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:44:12 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07804 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:43:40 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GOA02D01UWOBI@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:43:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GOA02DKYUWO59@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:43:36 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:27:46 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Anyone using "Enchanter" as nickname? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <3C0AECC2@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Kaiser Ahmad Wrote: >There is nothing wrong with giving yourself a name. It does not necessarily >mean that you have to be recognized (i.e. BAP) to have a name. You can be in >any club and have a name, especially when it is just for fun. I agree. Though I think we need to be going WWF style. Enchanter, Enlightener, Guru, Buddha are all good names but they don't really have that hard working, sweaty, rough and tumble flavor. How about...Hangman, The Surgeon (good for Chad), Reaper, Macho Man, Hulk, Gargantuous, Coroner, The Virus, The CEO, or Bones. Ooo ooo ooo THE OPERATOR Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 14 20:16:15 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09002 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:16:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web20705.mail.yahoo.com (web20705.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.178]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07969 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:00:54 -0800 Message-ID: <20011214090017.70303.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.144.74] by web20705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:00:17 PST Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:00:17 -0800 (PST) From: lon smith Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag Frenzy To: freestyle@list.footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Atomic Inspinning torque and atomic inspinning doubble leg over!!! Wow that's amazing. Have these moves truly been hit?? I need to know for the moves list I been working on. Thanks Signed, Lon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Dec 17 06:39:00 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA03066 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:39:00 -0800 Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09214 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:42:57 -0800 Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA08385 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:42:21 -0800 Received: from [144.92.184.180] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id QAA150050 (8.9.1/50); Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:39:41 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20011214164007.00f89190@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:40:07 -0600 To: Brad Kaplan , freestyle From: Matt Kain Lewandowski Subject: RE: [freestyle] What's in a name? In-Reply-To: <3C0AE94A@webmail.mscd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad and all, I have been hitting this move for a while too. We dubbed it "Terrasmasher" around here, but it seems to be one of those moves that (sadly) never received a proper name. Anyone else have an opinion? Matt Kain - Madison Footbag P.S. see everyone at New Year's Jam!!!! At 01:05 PM 12/13/2001 -0700, Brad Kaplan wrote: >> isotope, but that name shud probly should be used for some nutty >> nuclear >> move maybe nuclear x-body rake or like backside symp. pdx atom smasher. > > I started hitting Symposium Pdx Atom Smasher about two years ago (though > never hitting it consistently) and I know Yacine has hit it a bunch too. > I started calling it S.P.A.S. (that last "s" sounding like a "Z"). > Who > else hits it? > > Later, > Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Dec 17 06:41:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA03132 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:41:34 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f227.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.227]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA22232 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:18:35 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:18:34 -0800 Received: from 132.241.245.95 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 05:18:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [132.241.245.95] From: "Tara Ohr" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Do you want to come out and play? Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:18:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2001 05:18:34.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[468DC620: 01C186BA] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello fellow footbaggers of San Francisco and San Diego, This is Tara Ohr Reporting from Chico, California... I'm taking a little road trip down the coast of California and I was wondering if anyone in the Bay is getting together to play on Friday the 21st of December. I rarely get the chance to kick with other players and I would love to see some of you again. If you have any time in the afternoon on Friday, give me a buzz. Either on email tararizohr@hotmail.com or my home phone 530-343-6525. or 714 968-7808 at my parent's house. Also I will be in Santa Barbara on Saturday, DEC. 22 so if anyone in Hermosa Beach or neighboring cities is kickin it. Finally I hope to hit up San Diego for a day, so if you boys down there are playing at all please give me a buzz. Thanks guys and I hope to see you soon. Tara _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Dec 17 15:03:54 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA25444 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:03:54 -0800 Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA09183 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:24:40 -0800 Received: from [195.20.224.204] (helo=mrvdom00.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16G1V6-0008D4-00 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:24:28 +0100 Received: from a1as11-p38.bln.tli.de ([195.252.154.38] helo=nudelsuppe) by mrvdom00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16G1V1-00072k-00 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:24:23 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01c18720$c3a72960$269afcc3@nudelsuppe> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: Subject: [freestyle] Report: German Masters, Nuernberg, 15.12.01 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:32:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Good Morning. The German Footbag Championships, titled German Masters, were held this past Saturday in the Bavarian city Nuernberg. The venue was a gym of 650 m2, which is situated close to the center of Nuernberg. Players started to gather there from 10am on, the first round of open freestyle started at about 1pm. There was a total of 24 competitors coming from all over Germany as well as from Prague and Budapest. The special feature of this tournament was the large video projection screen right next to the arena on which each player's run was shown simultaneously, including a headline showing the player's name and city. The whole competition ran smoothly, there were no delays (good work done here by the head judge Sebastian Kleinichen), and the one round of women's freestyle with 3 competitors and the Sick3 contest were held in between. Women's freestyle was clearly dominated by Jule Boehm, who took home the trophy now for the third time in a row. The Sick3 was held informally, whoever wanted to could enter the stage and perform. Many players, even beginners and those who refused to compete in the routines (me), took part here and tried their best. Among the standards, some crazy stuff could be seen, like Phillip Schaefer's Stepping Catwalk or some guy's push-up neck stall rolling into a gullet delay. The freestyle finals, although at the end of a long day, were clearly the best of all rounds, all competitors had a really good run (with one exception :o). Both the 2 German top players, Jan Zimmermann and Marc Inzinger, showed their elaborate routines almost flawlessly. Nevertheless, they both were beaten by the 2nd Czech prodigy, Ales Zelinka, who showed his skills to a song that kept buzzing in everyone's head the entire evening long. In the end, Jan and Ales had the same score (Simple Ranking System allows this situation unluckily) and a one-on-one comparison had to be done that showed Ales being ranked better than Jan in 3 of 5 categories, so he won. After cleaning up the gym a little, all the players (except Czechs and Hungarians who unluckily had to leave) went to a Mexican style fast-food restaurant (some Taco Bell copy) for dinner. Afterwards, some of us went to a concert in a cafe next door, the others went back to the gym to go to bed there. After the concert, one group went to a gas station in order to get some more beers, Jakob Wagner and me however got lost on the way back to the gym and found there only by inquiring the aborigines and taking the subway. In the gym, the party was just getting started. The concentration of Alcohol and THC in the blood of nearly everyone there turned the gym into a large-scale playground where anything could be done - imagine a mass of footbaggers (who are even under normal conditions playful and sometimes childish) being left alone in a large gym with all the equipment a gym has to offer - mats, ropes and plenty of space. At about 1am a competition was suddenly to start that could even rival World's level (referring to number of participants): A golf tournament with more than 20 competitors! The course included 3 holes on 3 different levels of the gym. Starting on the ground floor, players had to get up to the first floor, go through endless corridors to a bucket standing on a table in the last room, from there all the way back and down into the basement to a bucket hanging at the wall and then finally into the gym again to the most difficult hole: The bucket was hanging 3 meters (almost 10 feet) above the ground. This caused a circle to stand around and to again and again try to hit the elevated target. I don't really remember who won the tournament, I only know it was Daniel Schuldes from Munich hitting the bucket first at about 5am. This golf tournament took 4 hours! I really want to thank Daniel Neufeld for organizing the competition almost solely. It was the first tournament he organized and he did a really good job: perfect schedule, video screen, food & water supply for all players in the gym the whole day long, appearance in the local press and on two nation-wide broadcasting tv stations (!) and a high number of competitors from different countries made this tournament a success! The only shortcoming was that some of the better players couldn't attend due to various reasons. That's it. Matthias. P.S. Results: Women's Freestyle: 1) Jule Boehm, Berlin 2) Claire Beltran, Paris / Berlin 3) Sabrina Weiss, Nuernberg Open Freestyle: 1) Ales Zelinka, Prague 2) Jan Zimmermann, Berlin / Zuerich 3) Marc Inzinger, Darmstadt / Berlin 4) Jakob Wagner, Berlin 5) Yves Kreil, Berlin 6) Christian Loew, Frankfurt Sick3: 1) Jan 'Dexter' Struz, Prague: Stepping Far Reverse Whirl > Ripwalk > Stepping Far Symposium Reverse Whirl 2) Jan Zimmermann, Berlin / Zuerich: ??? (he hit different combos, I don't know which one gave him the 2nd place) 3) Phillip 'ledechiffér' Schaefer, Frankfurt: Stepping Catwalk > Double Legover > Paradon 4) Matthias L. Schmidt, Berlin : Blizzard > Paradon > Barrage From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Dec 17 15:05:04 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA25487 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:05:04 -0800 Received: from pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA12863 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:07:04 -0800 Received: from pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr4so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.107]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GOI0062953OR6@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml2so (pn2ml2so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.146]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GOI008UW53OGO@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from k1 ([24.70.216.74]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with SMTP id <0GOI00BI753O93@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:07:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:09:13 -0800 From: Allan Haggett Subject: [freestyle] Full, frontside or backside symposium? To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: <001e01c1872e$509e94e0$6501a8c0@gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On the string [what's in a name?] Brad Kaplan wrote: > I started hitting Symposium Pdx Atom Smasher about two years ago (though OK, with all the the talk recently on the concept of symposium I figured it might be good to get some clarification on this move. Symposium Prdx AtomSmasher seems a bit ambiguous to me. Do you do the move, what I would call "full" symposium(which would be rather like a Voodoo with the first dex done out/in), frontside, or backside symposium? Backside being a regular Nuclear set followed by a symposium mirage? Or what would be a weird(but oh-so-cool) looking symposium nuclear with a plant after and then a mirage? Just saying