From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 3 20:53:27 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16025 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:53:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12199 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:13:15 -0800 From: "Kenny Shults" Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA30369 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:11:41 -0800 Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id z.f4.1344d808 (16783) for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:11:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 21:11:16 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] A Thought on Difficulty To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Props to Sam for a well thought out proposal. I like many parts of it. I think it is perhaps overly complicated. I think .5 Adds may have some merit, especially in distinguishing half dexes from full dexes. X-Dex does a very good job of rewarding difficult dexterity tricks that get underrated in the current system. However, the X-Dex concept doesn't address the inflated value of the Butterfly and other cheap tricks. Using a .5 Add for each half dex might be a good solution. Lon has an excellent point though in bringing up the difficulty of defining this clearly. I also agree with Lon's point on Presentation. Crowd response should be the most important factor in judging Presentation. I think the current Presentation card over objectifies an aspect of the game that should really be subjective. Judges seem to be judging Presentation based on whether a player attempted to satisfy the category rather than on the quality of their work in that category. There are some pretty pathetic attempts at flyer combos getting pretty high marks in the Floor, Planes and Travel category. I'm really glad Gary Lautt played at Worlds this year to set an example for what can be done in this category. Kenny Shults P.S. As for a difficulty multiplier giving too much weight to the "easy" high difficulty tricks. That's a good point - I sure wouldn't want to see any more cheap sixes and sevens out there. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 3 20:54:13 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16035 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:54:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12224 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 02:45:01 -0800 Received: from femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.129]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA31733 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:43:28 -0800 Received: from acer ([24.67.167.169]) by femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011201024328.EYES18964.femail20.sdc1.sfba.home.com@acer>; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:43:28 -0800 Message-ID: <001b01c17a12$1da46e80$a9a74318@ok.shawcable.net> From: "Jeff Lopes" To: "lon smith" , "Brad Kaplan" , References: <20011130100536.15063.qmail@web20702.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox X-dexing Adds Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 18:44:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Liquid wrote, > I can't believe I haven't played a good game of four > square hack since worlds! I also can't believe I'm > going to spend like $500 dollars to go play more four > square in Colorado! I CANT WAIT FOR MORE 4 SQUARE! I played more 4 square than freestyle down at worlds, it is the best and I cant wait to once again take on the Genzu Master and you Lon! Watch out, Ive been practising fakes and tricky serves! Ok, also, I like the add system the way it is right now, I think we should be more concerned about how to get good footbags distributed to kids and also easier ways on getting these people shoes! I have already supplyed my club with shoes and bags. Lon also wrote: >We've spent a lot of brain power on coming up >with as great a system as we have now we just need to >impress the world with how simple and easy our sport >really is to learn. This is what I mean. Footbag is sooooo easy once you get the foundation down. All people need is people to shred with and see the sport. Do demo's, shred at school, host tourny's etc. I cant wait till Feb!! My Reading week is in accordance to CSS3! No school! Yippee! Bus, fly or hitchhike...what ever it takes I will be there! Keep styling and come to colorado. Jeff Lopes P.S. I hit super sonic to super sonic!!!!!!!!!!!!! clip>backspin>backspin>backspin>opp clip = super sonic From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 3 20:55:10 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16050 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:55:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f111.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.111]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13365 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:46:49 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:44:43 -0800 Received: from 209.79.217.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:44:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.79.217.2] From: "Randy Magliocca" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pogo Butterfly question Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:44:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2001 20:44:43.0848 (UTC) FILETIME=[01A11480:01C17AA9] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everybody. Im a freesyle player from Nevada City, CA. Anywase I was just wondering why pogo butterfly only gets four adds. Its Jobs' notations are: CLIP > (NO PLANT WHILE) OP IN [DEX] [BOD] > OP OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL]. See [DEX] [BOD] [DEX] [XBD] [DEL]. Doesn't that add up to 5!!?? Well if you have an answer to my thoughts just e-mail me at freakfootbag@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 3 20:56:35 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16060 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:56:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14040 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 06:13:10 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f53.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.53]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA25569 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:11:33 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:11:33 -0800 Received: from 66.81.17.104 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 06:11:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.81.17.104] From: "andy moore" To: derrick@fogles.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Defending the ADD system Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 06:11:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2001 06:11:33.0544 (UTC) FILETIME=[30FCDA80:01C17AF8] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i agree with lon we should keep the add system uncomlplacated so that new comers add the public will no what in the hell we are talking adout we we say we hit 3-3adds and not 3-2.5 add tricks it just makes you sound alot beter when you and your freinds are hacking and to incorparate this new system would mess everything up.the catagores they have now are fine beacuse it would be boring watching a shred vid if all they did were 2 and three add tricks i like the more diffucult tricks in footbag thats what makes you strive for a goal to go say 30 guiltless contacts and thats a good thing. ANdy man out >From: Derrick Fogle >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Defending the ADD system >Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:18:33 -0600 > >On Friday, November 30, 2001, at 10:48 AM, Scott Davidson wrote: > >>That will add 2-3 new judges needed to score each routine. > >Urk, you're right (Dang). I was thinking strictly in conceptual terms. >We really do need some expansion of categories to differentiate between >some moves that are all considered equal now, but even *more* judges is >a high price to pay. > >Of course, that's the beauty of the simple ranking system! It never >needs more judges (6-8 judges works pretty well) and it automatically >updates itself to always evaluate against the current state of the art. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 3 20:57:09 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16070 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:57:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14751 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:45:16 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f110.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.110]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA21318 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:43:36 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:43:36 -0800 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Dec 2001 22:43:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Shoe preferences... Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 11:43:36 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2001 22:43:36.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[C78D5DA0:01C17B82] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, i'm after a new pair of lavers. The problem is i am not 100% sure which ones to get, either the new milleniums or chinese. So the quetion goes out to the footbag world, what shoes do you guy's and gals think are the best, maybe the type of player one is ie. set preferences may lend itself to certain shoes. Does one have a better toe box does the other have a better inside?Which are lighter? More durable....... So keep me posted, Jonza _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 3 20:58:37 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16090 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:58:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16004 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:46:35 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f126.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.126]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA31064 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:44:53 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:44:49 -0800 Received: from 24.66.137.67 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 20:44:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.66.137.67] From: "Jubal Hume" To: aaron_deglanville@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] A Thought on FOOTBAG Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 12:44:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2001 20:44:49.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[59B0FAD0:01C17C3B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi to all on the list... I start out talking about one thing and wind up on another topic[s] ...but this is ok...just read on and think..it's all I ask.. first of all we need pre recs...like x number of paradox moves...and x number of symposium moves...etc...I think that the cards are ok [sort of] but need to be implemented as a program...like ice skating... and this is also a Great way to promote choreography... I also want to see the ingenuity of Improv kept in footbag freestyle ...hence the name FREESTYLE.. so here we go again..haha ok..look...how bout this... we all vote on these topics...and or vote for a group who will decide on these topics.. topic ONE-point system for each move [or call it a difficulty system] TWO-link system for the complexity of the moves in a string.... THREE-a program format for the two sections of the freestyle comp...RE:artistic [freestyle] and technical [shred] FOUR-artistic... presentation/originality/new moves/new links or components FIVE-world promotions and furthering the sport globally... I think that we all spend altogether too much time picking at the small details and loose sight of the whole..[me too]..I think footbag needs a conference for this topic alone [RE# FIVE] I propose a meeting of the minds this spring here in Victoria B.C. Canada.. we can set up video conferencing for those who can not attend in person...this CONFERENCE will NOT be to debate adds systems/points and that ilk...just a Giant shred and brain storm on PROMOTING our favorite athletic endeavor!!! Ido know that all aspects of footbag will be breached..lol..but the point will be promotions and success of our art/sport../. all those in favor please respond to my personal e-mail on our web site.... jubal@footbagvideo.com Look you all..I love this sport with all my heart...I wish it only the best...so forgive me if I have ever offended any or all [lol] But do listen to this if you agree with footbag as being the most dynamic and wonderful things we have ever found...and we need to be able to share this with as many as we can..the whole world if possible.. I look at it this way...If those who feel anger and do violence had been exposed to something like or footbag itself..what atrocities could have been avoided...and because of the vast number of players around the world now..what evils have already been avoided by so many people feeling positive and creative and focused...I think we must unite and promote as a world footbag ORG...please think on this... united we share, divided we shred Jubal Hume [footbag lover] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 4 02:26:35 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16606 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 02:26:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16578 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 02:14:10 -0800 Received: from mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.118]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA17230 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:12:27 -0800 Received: from storefull-612.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-612.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.139]) by mailsorter-105-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6C01067 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-612.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id SAA24758; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:12:18 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRwe6yl49YJ0e5qBEpnWncgTCZGjwIUJuYjtF6cdssl79iLWofj6mLS4F4= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:12:18 -0500 (EST) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] GF goes north Message-ID: <17630-3C0C3102-188@storefull-612.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Listas! I want to know if there are any shredders in Alaska that aren't listed on footbag.org Please write me if you're there. Thanks, gf From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 4 22:08:00 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17844 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:08:00 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16675 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 03:37:48 -0800 Received: from attbi.com ([12.238.156.205]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011204033531.GGQD2700.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 03:35:31 +0000 Message-ID: <3C0C4560.2B59D485@attbi.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:39:12 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derrics1@attbi.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Pogo Butterfly question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Randy Magliocca wrote: > > I was just wondering why pogo butterfly only gets four adds. Its Jobs' > notations are: CLIP > (NO PLANT WHILE) OP IN [DEX] [BOD] > OP OUT [DEX] > OP > CLIP [XBD] [DEL]. Ok. The only problem with your notation is that the (no plant while) involved in pogo doesn't get the [bod] add. Why? Just because. It is generally accepted that a pogo set is only worth one add. Likewise, it is generally accepted that symposium butterfly is only worth three. That's why dada is 4, not 5. In my opinion, a dex needs to be full to get the symposium. There's been a lot of talk about what is a full dex, but if you read over the whole x-dex thing (you can find it in the archives if you want), the full dex thing is pretty well defined. The only problem I see is that if you do a pogo set, you don't get the symposium, but if you set, then do a symposium mirage, you do. Maybe it isn't all about the full dex - maybe it has something to do with the bag going up (with a set) vs. the bag going down (with a move). I think it is a combination of the two... but, yeah. Pogo doesn't get symposium. -Derric From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Tue Dec 4 22:08:54 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17849 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:08:54 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17048 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 06:38:59 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.68.163.143]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA29248 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:37:15 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:25:47 -0800 Received: from 66.73.250.22 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 06:25:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.73.250.22] From: "Tim Werner" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Has anyone hit this? Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 00:25:47 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2001 06:25:47.0732 (UTC) FILETIME=[82F31940:01C17C8C] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello everyone, I've been toying around with a new move/set for a while and I was wondering if anyone has hit this. It's a fairy swirling set, jobs goes like this: Toe > same out > op swirl I've only hit toe, osis, and same clipper out of it. It's tricky to get the fairy set clean, but I've done it a handfull of times. I've taken to calling the set "spiraling" I've also taken to calling fairy reverse twirl ( toe > same out > op swirl > back spin > op clip) "spiral". Thoughts? anyone? -Tim Werner Chicago Inner Circle _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 5 19:04:59 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18942 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:04:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA18070 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:57:38 -0800 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA17374 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:55:51 -0800 Received: from 24-205-34-189.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.com ([24.205.34.189] helo=sam) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16BSDu-0002ft-00; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 18:55:50 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c17d37$f859ea00$bd22cd18@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Tim Werner" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Has anyone hit this? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:53:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Tim Werner" > I've been toying around with a new move/set for a while and I was wondering > if anyone has hit this. It's a fairy swirling set, jobs goes like this: > ive hit this.. ive hit fairy swirling dyno and fairy swirling osis clipper and toe.. trying hard for fairy swirling butterfly and i can do it all both sides i dont like the name spiraling i like spiral but i dont like saying spiraling ya know? but.. i got the idea from watching gf smoothie do toe set same butterfly swirls.. they were fairy swirl style i dont wanna write and say "oh i hit it first so shuttup"... i.. i just want to let you know ive hit it because it took me a lot of work.. peace out -samurai ps.. when you do it.. for anyone else who wants to learn... keep the bag on your toe and jump off your support leg right into the swirl.. the momentum will get the bag off your toe.. bust a little fakie butterfly swirl and heres the trick for a high set and quick response time: dont land on your swirl .... swirl the bag and bring your foot down like normal... it sounds simple but.. i wish i had thought of it earlier :) From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 5 19:06:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18952 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:06:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA18383 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 04:48:11 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f211.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.211]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA22030 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:46:24 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:46:24 -0800 Received: from 152.163.207.201 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 04:46:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.207.201] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: shredtellicus@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Has anyone hit this? Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:46:24 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2001 04:46:24.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB10CB30:01C17D47] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Tim Werner" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Has anyone hit this? >Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 00:25:47 -0600 > >Hello everyone, > >I've been toying around with a new move/set for a while and I was wondering >if anyone has hit this. It's a fairy swirling set, jobs goes like this: >Toe > same out > op swirl I've only hit toe, osis, and same clipper out >of >it. It's tricky to get the fairy set clean, but I've done it a handfull of >times. I've taken to calling the set "spiraling" I've also taken to >calling fairy reverse twirl ( toe > same out > op swirl > back spin > op >clip) "spiral". Thoughts? anyone? > >-Tim Werner >Chicago Inner Circle > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Fairy-anything set is sick! Right up there with eli's whirling/blazing sickness and eric reile's tight move on CIC shred rev. swirl rev. swirl (which rippin' probly hit some time ago) or something of that insane nature...keep pushing the envelope in chicago, you're all dope ~Bryan spiral sounds appropriate _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 5 19:23:46 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18987 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:23:46 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:23:46 -0800 From: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Message-Id: <200112060323.TAA18987@list.footbag.org> X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18436 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 06:46:29 -0800 Received: from cicero2.cybercity.dk (cicero2.cybercity.dk [212.242.40.53]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA25289 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:44:41 -0800 Received: from usr01.cybercity.dk (usr01.cybercity.dk [212.242.40.35]) by cicero2.cybercity.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B73FFF12 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:44:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from mads (port277.ds1-amb.adsl.cybercity.dk [217.157.162.30]) by usr01.cybercity.dk (8.11.6/8.11.0) with SMTP id fB56iTX54939 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:44:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kontakt@fodpose.dk) Message-ID: <00de01c17d57$b5031770$0300000a@mads> From: "Mads Hole" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Has anyone hit this? Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:40:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Tim, From more than kicking distance I've also been toying around with fairy sets,, sort of, the last couple of days. I'm really amazed by the speed and high lift in the fairy set which buys you the extra time. I can see where you are going with your fairy swirling set and I look forward to check it out. So far I've to my own surprise hit fairy reverse swirl, fairy dyno and went for blurry dyno but haven't sealed that one completely. Anyway there are still a lot of cool fairy moves to hit and thanks for contributing with your "hot add"-set. You wrote: > calling fairy reverse twirl ( toe > same out > op swirl > back spin > op > clip) "spiral". Thoughts? anyone? Sounds cool to me. I call a fairy dyno ( TOE > SAME OUT > OP OUT [DEX] > (back) SPIN [BOD] > SAME CLIP [XBD] [DEL] ) a "corkscrew". I hope nobody minds! Is there a move-list besides the one on footbag.org because I often hear about of tricks I can find there? Mads Hole Denmark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Werner" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: [freestyle] Has anyone hit this? > Hello everyone, > > I've been toying around with a new move/set for a while and I was wondering > if anyone has hit this. It's a fairy swirling set, jobs goes like this: > Toe > same out > op swirl I've only hit toe, osis, and same clipper out of > it. It's tricky to get the fairy set clean, but I've done it a handfull of > times. I've taken to calling the set "spiraling" I've also taken to > calling fairy reverse twirl ( toe > same out > op swirl > back spin > op > clip) "spiral". Thoughts? anyone? > > -Tim Werner > Chicago Inner Circle > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 5 21:18:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19145 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 21:18:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-13.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.13]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19123 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:45:09 -0800 Received: from pd5mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr3so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.144]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GNW005481JDBI@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:42:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml6so (pn2ml6so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.150]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GNW00CEE1JDUX@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:42:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from k1 ([24.70.216.74]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with SMTP id <0GNW00ETK1HN50@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2001 13:41:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 12:43:22 -0800 From: Allan Haggett Subject: [freestyle] Jeremy Kumbruch on TV To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: <006d01c17dcd$7b1313a0$6501a8c0@gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello List :o) Just thought I'd give a shout out to Jeremy Kumbruch for this clip that has been running on our local TV station here in Victoria for a couple of weeks now. Check it out on the download gallery at www.footbagvideo.com or just download it directly if you don't want to look at the web site I built... don't worry, I won't be offended..... well, maybe just a little.... ;-p http://freefootbag.org/misc/JerNewVI.mpg The gallery on www.footbagvideo.com has some other video's y'all might be interested in too.... ummmm, bye!! From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 6 00:37:08 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA19364 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 00:37:08 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.39]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19341 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 00:10:56 -0800 Received: from alex ([24.50.240.141]) by smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GNWB2B00.JTC for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2001 19:08:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c17d9e$9780f400$0301a8c0@clvhoh.adelphia.net> From: "alex ciarlillo" To: Subject: [freestyle] beginner Q's (4) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 07:07:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, I have been reading the list for a while and have decided to sit down and compile a couple of questions my friend and I have about footbag. let me start by saying we have been hacking for maybe a month-month and a half. In the beginning it was when we were bored but it has grown into an obsession. We can do all the basics, toe stall, outside stall, all the basic kicks, clipper and flying clipper. I have just begun to regularly get clipper stalls and leg overs are pretty easy now, and my friend is getting close to hitting both (he broke his ankle and is finally out of his cast). my first question is how do you get a clipper stall so high into the air? I want to start doing clipper sets but cant get the bag above my waist. I have tried lowering my foot all the way to the ground after stalling but that just results in the footbag rolling off. Any help here would be appreciated. next, around the world!?! how do you do it? I read a couple tips on footbag.org that say it is really easy and such but i CANNOT get it! I am like a tenth of a second of and an inch to the left of the footbag everytime i try it. third question, where should I go from here? I have tried going from leg over into clipper stall (butterfly?) and think that is a lil above my level yet. Are there any other tricks I should be trying/doing? I can combine all my stalls from toe stall to clipper stall any foot to any foot. Outside stall to opposite foot clipper. I cant link one clipper stall to another though or get the bag across my body to do a same foot outside to clipper stall. and the last question, I have a dirtbag as of now and getting an Alpha for more circle playing since our circle is growing so quickly, started with us 2 and we now we have 4 others that come everyday and 2-3 that show up once or twice a weak. Is the Alpha a good choice and what other footbag might i want to upgrade to next? Also one more question i forgot about, shoes, will rod lavers REALLY improve my performance? I have adidas superstars now. Also any footbaggers here from the NE ohio area? Thanks in advance, Alex From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 7 19:16:38 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21711 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:16:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21659 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:42:05 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f122.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.122]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA09055 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:40:08 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:28:07 -0800 Received: from 209.52.223.214 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:28:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.52.223.214] From: "Jonathan Zaleski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Mmmmmmm...... Footbag Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 10:28:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2001 18:28:07.0417 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAA77690:01C17F4C] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo list Hows it goin? Right now I have the hugest craving to shred, but Im sick as a dog and in no condition to even try. So by writing the list Im hoping to satisfy my craving hopefully a little.First off I got some questions. What has been hit set from a dragon? What has been hit ending in motion? Anyone hit any new dodging/weaving moves? What pixie ducking and fairy ducking moves have been hit? Has anyone hit anything ending in a whirr? " " " a double dexing blender(whirr bail to an osis)? Whats been hit into eggbeater? Anyone hit symposium or stomping eggbeater? Fairy quantum or atomic set? If people can do barraging set then wouldnt it be possible to do a paradon set(jobs: toe >op out>same out>) Double fairy? A double dexing Illusion? How many quadruple dexing moves have been hit? Sailing or shooting double legover? Sailing or shooting same double legover? What ripwalk moves have been hit? Has there ever been any comps for highest sets? K, thats all the questions I can think of right now. Got any tips for: Stepping out of a dragon? Quantum sets? Sailing sets? Frantic set? Flail(tips will be very well appreciated for this, Ive bailed many a time tryng to hit this) Revstein/Ripstein Ducking a stepping set? Sympsium Swirling? Getting rid of a cold? Unfortuneatly I think my plan of losing my cravng has backfired on me ,now I really need to play, DAMN!! Pre-thanx for all replies. Yours Truly, Jon Zaleski _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 7 20:05:05 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21807 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:05:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21774 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:53:43 -0800 Received: from ibooktang.salk.edu (ibooktang.salk.edu [198.202.67.178]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11939 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 11:51:47 -0800 Received: from cameron by ibooktang.salk.edu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16CREd-0007GI-00 for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2001 12:04:39 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: cameron kennedy Reply-To: ckennedy@ems.salk.edu Organization: Salk institute To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Mmmmmmm...... Footbag Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:04:39 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > What ripwalk moves have been hit? lots, i would suppose, here are a few grabbing variations on the ripwalk gripwalk clip->op in[dex] ->outside grab ->op out[dex] . . . gripped warrior same as ripped warrior, but with a grab entangle drifter->xbody grab-> symposium butterfly scamper clip->op in [dex] ->same IO Grab ->op butterfly [dex] . . . IO-inside out, grab is performed from behind the knee on the front of ankle throttle clip->op in [dex] -> same outside grab ->op outsidegrab ->op out [dex]... basically the double grabbing ripwalk Cameron From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 19:16:28 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25989 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:16:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f41.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.41]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23379 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 21:48:54 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:46:25 -0800 Received: from 161.184.26.249 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:46:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.26.249] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] What's in a name? Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 14:46:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2001 21:46:25.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8E26E80:01C18031] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List! I've heard a few names of moves, but I don't know what the moves are! They're pretty cool names. Does anyone know what they are? Nucleosis Neurosis Blurrosis Osmosis Atom Bomb Neutron Bomb Paratrooper Paratron Also, what's it called when you set with a double illusion? Thanks list! PS:All I want for Christmas is a long list of pixie moves! I'm really short on pixie moves on my list, and flooded with fairy moves. Easy, Dylan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 19:17:26 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25994 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:17:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24591 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:45:40 -0800 Received: from web20701.mail.yahoo.com (web20701.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.174]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA27448 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 10:43:38 -0800 Message-ID: <20011209184338.38403.qmail@web20701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.144.74] by web20701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:43:38 PST Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 10:43:38 -0800 (PST) From: lon smith Subject: Re: [freestyle] Has anyone hit this? To: Bryan Fournier , shredtellicus@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Yall. Someone wrote: > I've also taken to > >calling fairy reverse twirl ( toe > same out > op > swirl > back spin > op > >clip) "spiral". Thoughts? anyone? > > > >-Tim Werner > >Chicago Inner Circle Great move! My old best friend Reuben Cohn hit fairy symposium twirl his sophmore year in high school back in 1996. He called it switcherue. I still use switcherue. 1)left toe set butterflying 2)symposium 3)swirling 4)left foot osis Signed Lon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 19:20:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26011 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:20:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f106.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.106]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24727 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:52:44 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:50:11 -0800 Received: from 209.79.217.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 21:50:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.79.217.2] From: "Randy Magliocca" Subject: [freestyle] Anyone using "Enchanter" as nickname? To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 21:50:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2001 21:50:11.0840 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A331800:01C180FB] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all! Most of you probably don't care about this but I was just wondering is there anyone out there who has a nickname "The Enchanter" cause if not i'm changing my old name, freakfoot, to The Enchanter. Well shred on. Later. Randy Magliocca(freakfoot or Enchanter) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 19:21:42 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26021 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:21:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24957 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 02:49:24 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f161.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.161]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA16707 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:47:21 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:47:12 -0800 Received: from 65.117.26.21 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 02:47:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.117.26.21] From: "Ben Schmaltz" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Skooling 4-add strings Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:47:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2001 02:47:12.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[F865A020:01C18124] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was wondering what would be some good four add srings to work on that I could work on. I can hit blury wirl, atom smasher,leg beatter, park walk, pixie butterfly, blur, and quantom meriage and butterfly only on the right side. these are my most consistent 4adds and was wondering some good strings or maybe some moves to work on to throw in there any info would be much appriciated. Ben Schmaltz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 19:24:24 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26033 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:24:24 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25664 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:27:04 -0800 Received: from malibu.cc.uga.edu (malibu.cc.uga.edu [128.192.1.103]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA08183 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:24:58 -0800 Received: from archa9.cc.uga.edu (arch9.cc.uga.edu) by malibu.cc.uga.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <1.0059FE97@malibu.cc.uga.edu>; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:24:56 -0500 Received: from integer.uga.edu (host-216-76-167-82.ahn.bellsouth.net [216.76.167.82]) by archa9.cc.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA168786 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:23:49 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011210101222.00a24300@imap.arches.uga.edu> X-Sender: integer@imap.arches.uga.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:20:04 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Xander Faber Subject: [freestyle] Chicago New Year's Jam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Stylers, Pop Quiz: is there anyone that wants to split a hotel room with me at the Chicago Jam in a few weeks? Or perhaps I can jump in on someone's room ... I'm unobtrusive and housebroken---plus I have money. Reply to me personally. On a second note, I have a question about barfly. I've read all the tips online and watched numerous stylers pull barfly on video ... but I can't seem to figure it out. I've got paradon and double over down figured out pretty consistently, and in these two you can start the dexes while the bag is on the way up. It seems like the dexes for barfly are limited to just after the apex of the bag (like in a pdx whirl). Any tips would be most appreciated. Alex Faber Integer of Penn State Trio Original Recipe From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 20:09:27 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26265 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:09:27 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26249 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:06:32 -0800 Received: from dnvrpop7.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop7.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.9]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA21900 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:04:26 -0800 Received: (qmail 94091 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 2001 20:04:22 -0000 Received: from dslpppf54.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO mindspring.com) (63.225.101.54) by dnvrpop7.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2001 20:04:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:03:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3C15152B.757AE288@mindspring.com> From: "Ernest Crvich" To: freestyle@footbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Anyone using "Enchanter" as nickname? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Randy Magliocca wrote: > is there anyone out there who has a nickname "The Enchanter" cause if not i'm > changing my old name, freakfoot, to The Enchanter. Well shred on. Later. Speaking of George Hamilton...unless anyone has any objections, I would also like to change my self-appointed nickname from nothing to "The Expectorator". Everyone thought I was joking about requiring goggles and protective headgear. Well, this name should significantly improve/repair my image as well as prevent further agonizing "accidents" and panic-stricken calls to 911. I'm certain there will be an official "posse" for folks like me someday, but for now I'll content myself with the informal "Go Over There, Please...No, Farther" Posse, as it currently exists. Mama always said I was the moistest, and she was right. It's just a pity that so many people have to suffer mental and physical trauma as a result. So to all those living and not-quite-living that I've inadvertantly maimed, lacerated, or corroded, this new name is in your honor. -- Ernest M. Crvich Boulder, CO Have footbag, will shred From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 20:28:03 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26302 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:28:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26278 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:17:26 -0800 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA22454 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:15:21 -0800 Received: from 24-205-34-189.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.com ([24.205.34.189] helo=sam) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16DWpZ-0003sq-00; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:15:17 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01c181b7$008ca4a0$bd22cd18@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Dylan Livingston" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:12:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Dylan Livingston" > PS:All I want for Christmas is a long list of pixie moves! I'm really short > on pixie moves on my list, and flooded with fairy moves. Merry Christmas Dylan. Hey list can you make sure I got his present right? I guess reply to me with any additions/subtractions/matricies. I hope I get a triple dex for x-mas. -Sam Colclough pixie 2 adds toe > same in > op toe double pixie = terrage 3adds toe > same in > same in > op toe pixie mirage = smear 3 adds toe > same in > op in > op toe pixie same mirage 3 adds toe > same in (plant) > same in > op toe pixie pickup 3 adds toe > same in > op in > same toe pixie same pickup 3 adds toe > same in > same in > same toe pixie illusion = smudge 3 adds toe > same in > op out > op toe pixie same illussion 3 adds toe > same in > same out > op toe pixie legover 3 adds toe > same in > op out > same toe pixie double switchover (nice bryan) 4 adds toe > same in > op out > same out > same toe pixie same double switchver (nice anyone?) 4 adds toe > same in > same out > same out > same toe pixie same legover = magellen 3 adds toe > same in > same out > same toe pixie osis 4 adds toe > same in > op osis (inspinning clipper?) pixie same osis 4 adds toe > same in > same osis pixie whirl 4 adds toe > same in > op in > op clip pixie same whirl 4 adds toe > same in > same in > op clip pixie blender 5 adds toe > same in > op in > same osis pixie same blender 5 adds toe > same in > same in > same osis pixie double legover 4 adds toe > same in > op in > op out > same toe pixie same double legover 4 adds toe > same in > same in > op out > same toe pixie eggbeater = pigbeater 5 adds (xdex?) toe > same in > op out > op out > same toe pixie same eggbeater 5 adds (xdex?) toe > same in > same out > op out > same toe pixie symposium eggbeater = pandemonium 6 adds (xdex?) toe > same in > (no plant while) op out > op out > same toe pixie same symposium eggbeater 6 adds (xdex?) toe > same in > (no plant while) same out > op out > same toe (Are these jobs correct when the symposium is taken into account?) pixie drifter = smoke 4 adds toe > same in > op in > same clip terraging same clipper (w or w/o plant) 4 adds toe > same in > same in > same clip pixie torque 5 adds toe > same in > op in > op osis terraging op osis (w or w/o plant) 5 adds toe > same in > same in > op osis pixie barroque 6 adds (anyone hit it?) toe > same in > op in > same in > op osis pixie butterfly = dimwalk 4 adds toe > same in > op out > op clip pixie same butterfly = parkwalk 4 adds toe > same in > same out > op clip pixie paradon 5 adds toe > same in > op out > same out > op clip pixie double over down 5 adds toe > same in > same out > same out > op clip pixie barrage 4 adds toe > same in > op in > same in > op toe pixie same barrage (or terraging same mirage) 4 adds toe > same in > same in > same in > op toe pixie da da curve 6 adds (if its done correctly?) toe > same in > op in > (no plant while) op out > op clip pixie same da da curve 6 adds (if its done correctly?) toe > same in > same in > (no plant while) op out > op clip pixie dragonfly kick 3 adds toe > same in > op in > op flying inside pixie same dragonfly kick 3 adds toe > same in > same in > op flying inside pixie butterfly kick 4 adds toe > same in > op out > op flying clipper pixie same butterfly kick 4 adds toe > same in > same out > op flying clipper pixie inspinning toe 3 adds toe > same in > inspin > op (same) toe pixie inspinning mirage 4 adds toe > same in > inspin > same in > op toe pixie inspinning op legover 4 adds toe > same in > inspin > op out > same toe pixie inspinning dlo (anyone hit this ever?) 5 adds toe > same in > inspin > same in > op out > same toe terraging legover = enterrage 4 adds toe > same in > same in > op out > same toe terraging same legover 4 adds toe > same in > same in > same out > same toe terraging illusion 4 adds toe > same in > same in > op out > op toe terraging same illusion (anyone hit this ever?) 4 adds toe > same in > same in > same out > op toe Then theres anything ending on dragon, x-body rake rake, heel, sole, and/or forhead. Also you can duck/dive in between almost anything. I hope this made someones day. Sam Colclough ps. You can't spell Sam Colclough without using letters.. the same letters with which Lon Smith is written. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 20:51:38 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26358 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:51:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26343 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:49:19 -0800 From: Andrew Coleman Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA24231 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:47:13 -0800 Received: from CrazyHackier@cs.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id z.128.909a627 (16635) for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:47:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <128.909a627.2946794b@cs.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:47:07 EST Subject: [freestyle] Doubles To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 113 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Is there a different scoring system for doubles routines than there is in singles? Is there sort ofJob's Notation for doubles moves? -Andrew From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Mon Dec 10 22:39:12 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00420 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:39:12 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00417 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:39:11 -0800 Received: from fep1.excitehome.net (fep1.excitehome.net [24.0.26.112]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA28377 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:38:49 -0800 Received: from I ([216.222.172.21]) by fep1.excitehome.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20011210223844.ITBM647.fep1.excitehome.net@I> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:38:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@209.125.90.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <128.909a627.2946794b@cs.com> References: <128.909a627.2946794b@cs.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:33:42 +1100 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Doubles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 3:47 PM -0500 12/10/01, Andrew Coleman wrote: >Is there a different scoring system for doubles routines than there is in >singles? Not really, just that in doubles there's a 6th add category, the "co-op" add, in doubles. You get a co-op add in any of the following three cases: (1) if two players do the same move at exactly the same time, the move is awarded a co-op add for synchronization (even if the players do the move on opposite sides of their bodies); (2) if one player does any move (worth 1 add or more) and links that move into another move (worth 1 add or more) performed by the other player, the pass is awarded a co-op add for "add-to-add passing"; this is because a player setting another player for a trick is harder than a player setting himself or herself; (3) if one player performs a dexterity in a move where the other player makes the final contact within a move, the move is awarded a co-op add for "hooping"; this is because the move is much harder to perform with someone else's leg in the way. (Note, the dexterity I mentioned is *not* a real dexterity; e.g., it does not merit a dexterity add -- but rather the co-op add alone. Dexterity adds can only be attributed to dexterities performed by the same player doing the contact that ends the move.) >Is there sort ofJob's Notation for doubles moves? No, unfortunately not. We generally just describe the move in terms of its one-person version, then explain whether it's modified as per one of the above three cases. The hard one to deal with is case 3, where we generally say it's a "hooping" whatever, or that one player hoops while the other player does x or y thing. There are double-hooping moves, too, and in fact, it gets pretty complicated to explain when two players are both doing double-dexes off the same set, etc. We could probably use a Job's modifier for hoops if enough people get into doubles. Steve From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 12 22:57:02 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03410 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:57:02 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00681 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:26:25 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA01467 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 16:26:02 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GO501C01L79J0@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:25:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GO501C06L79GJ@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:25:57 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:10:11 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Laver Millenium II To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <3C093B42@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org For anyone who was bummed about the discontinuation of the Milleniums, I thought I'd inform y'all that the Millenium 2's are out. I saw them on adidas.com. I haven't gotten my own pair yet, but they look the same as the first Milleniums and I hear the support is even better. I would guess the weight is about the same. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 12 22:59:01 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03421 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:59:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01466 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:07:31 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.68.163.70]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA29740 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:07:07 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:07:07 -0800 Received: from 193.229.6.165 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:07:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.229.6.165] From: "Jussi Raitio" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:07:07 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2001 12:07:07.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AC19810:01C1823C] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Sam Colclough" >To: "Dylan Livingston" , >Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:12:32 -0800 > >From: "Dylan Livingston" > > PS:All I want for Christmas is a long list of pixie moves! I'm really >short > > on pixie moves on my list, and flooded with fairy moves. > >Merry Christmas Dylan. Hey list can you make sure I got his present right? >I >guess reply to me with any additions/subtractions/matricies. I hope I get a >triple dex for x-mas. > >-Sam Colclough >Then theres anything ending on dragon, x-body rake rake, heel, sole, and/or >forhead. Also you can duck/dive in between almost anything. I hope this >made >someones day. > >Sam Colclough > I would add some pixie moves to Sam`s list: Pixie same symposium whirl Terraging same butterfly (I`ve been so close!) and great pixie x-body rake Pixie>knee kick(gimppi?)> symposium whirl, >DLO, >Ducking Butterfly and mirage(also without knee kick), > symposium mirage and flail I would ask about quantum set: Is toe blur now with x-dex 4 add? Have somebody done pixie symp. quantum something? I`ve done the set but nothing from it. How about symposium quantum same symposium mirage? Have somebody done anything from magellan? Jussi Raitio _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 12 22:59:31 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03431 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:59:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01478 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:17:12 -0800 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA29981 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 04:16:47 -0800 Received: from laxerone@netscape.net by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id z.52.151d767 (16233) for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.134]) by air-in02.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILININ29-1211071620; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:16:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:16:20 -0500 From: laxerone@netscape.net (Jan Zimmermann) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: Re: [freestyle] Anyone using "Enchanter" as nickname? Message-ID: <3AA73430.5C1BC25A.009ED3DE@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Ernest Crvich" wrote: >Randy Magliocca wrote: >> is there anyone out there who has a nickname "The Enchanter" cause if not i'm >> changing my old name, freakfoot, to The Enchanter. Well shred on. Later. I always believed names were "given", "earned" or "bestowed" upon someone by somebody else (or a group of somebody elses)...silly me. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Wed Dec 12 23:00:43 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03444 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:00:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02892 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:26:29 -0800 Received: from gigi.excite.com (gigi.atext.com [199.172.152.110]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA26165; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:26:01 -0800 Received: from doodle.excite.com ([199.172.153.125]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20011212152601.OOKL23434.gigi.excite.com@doodle.excite.com>; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:26:01 -0800 Message-ID: <25691393.1008170761021.JavaMail.imail@doodle.excite.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:26:01 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Davidson To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Doubles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 64.178.34.131 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:33:42 +1100, Steve Goldberg wrote: >The hard one to deal with is case 3, > where we generally say it's a "hooping" whatever, or that one player > hoops while the other player does x or y thing. There are > double-hooping moves, too, and in fact, it gets pretty complicated to > explain when two players are both doing double-dexes As Steve points out, the term "hooping" is coined for Team Freestyle. I thought this would be a good time to mention that in Singles, when the player encircles the footbag with their hands, it is called Threading, not Hooping. And when they go through their fingers, it is called "Lautting," in honor of the great one. FYI. > set, etc. We could probably use a Job's modifier for hoops if enough > people get into doubles. Eeek! Repeat. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener@footbag.org ______________________________________________________________________________ Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite Messenger http://messenger.excite.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 13 01:06:11 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03789 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:06:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03750 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:47:25 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f216.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.216]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA28527 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:46:56 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:35:25 -0800 Received: from 205.188.198.26 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:35:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.198.26] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: jussiraitio@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:35:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 00:35:25.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E7DA100:01C1836E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Jussi Raitio" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? >Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:07:07 +0200 > >>From: "Sam Colclough" >>To: "Dylan Livingston" , >>Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? >>Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:12:32 -0800 >> >>From: "Dylan Livingston" >> > PS:All I want for Christmas is a long list of pixie moves! I'm really >>short >> > on pixie moves on my list, and flooded with fairy moves. >> >>Merry Christmas Dylan. Hey list can you make sure I got his present right? >>I >>guess reply to me with any additions/subtractions/matricies. I hope I get >>a >>triple dex for x-mas. >> >>-Sam Colclough > > > >>Then theres anything ending on dragon, x-body rake rake, heel, sole, >>and/or >>forhead. Also you can duck/dive in between almost anything. I hope this >>made >>someones day. >> >>Sam Colclough >> >I would add some pixie moves to Sam`s list: > >Pixie same symposium whirl >Terraging same butterfly (I`ve been so close!) >and great pixie x-body rake >Pixie>knee kick(gimppi?)> symposium whirl, >DLO, >Ducking Butterfly and >mirage(also without knee kick), > symposium mirage and flail > >I would ask about quantum set: >Is toe blur now with x-dex 4 add? >Have somebody done pixie symp. quantum something? I`ve done the set but >nothing from it. How about symposium quantum same symposium mirage? >Have somebody done anything from magellan? > >Jussi Raitio I started hitting symp. quantam set about a month ago and since then i've hit symp qauntam mirage, rev. mirage and and op.butterfly... it's a hard set to get clean but kinda cool... what about "simple" moves... our club OOPS! has seen a few of these they look cool when done with bigger like 4 add moves, like simple blur, with the second dex being simple... just playtime stuff tho... on pixie i've hit pixie x-body rake both sides. i called it isotope, but that name shud probly should be used for some nutty nuclear move maybe nuclear x-body rake or like backside symp. pdx atom smasher. ~Bryan OOPS! Footbag est. the 80's _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 13 04:29:28 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04200 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:29:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03865 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:16:57 -0800 Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA01090 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:16:26 -0800 Received: from psu.edu (tnt2-165-46.cac.psu.edu [130.203.165.46]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA147980; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:16:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3C180FA5.842BBC17@psu.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:17:09 -0500 From: Kaiser Ahmad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Anyone using "Enchanter" as nickname? References: <3AA73430.5C1BC25A.009ED3DE@netscape.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jan Zimmermann wrote: > I always believed names were "given", "earned" or "bestowed" upon someone by somebody else (or a group of somebody elses)...silly me. (To Jan Zimmerman and anyone else who agrees with Jan, please understand that I am in no way trying to tell you "how it is" or "how it's going to be." This is just simply another viewpoint and my unsupported personal opinion. So please take no offense.) Ummm... actually, when we made PennStateTrio, we kind of gave ourselves names because: 1. We just made a cool club 2. It is fun to make a name for yourself in a club 3. Why get a name that you don't like from someone else; Make your own that you will be happy with 4. It's ok to do this There is nothing wrong with giving yourself a name. It does not necessarily mean that you have to be recognized (i.e. BAP) to have a name. You can be in any club and have a name, especially when it is just for fun. In regards to footbag, if you are that good and have a name "bestowed" upon you, then so be it, that's great (by the way, I think BAP members get to choose their own names rather than having one "bestowed" upon them). But getting a name doesn't necessarily mean that you are being knighted or anything. You don't have to be good enough or be recognized to have an alias, or to have someone else bestow one upon you. Therefore, it doesn't require that you are "given" one if you are just doing it for yourself and no one else. I have a name, and I have it just for the sole purpose of novelty so that I can add a different degree of fun for myself with regards to being in my club. I think that I have addressed this thread correctly, but if I have misunderstood Jan's reply to it, then my bad, and someone please correct me. The best times in life was when you were a little kid, you played all sorts of different make-believe games, and you had the coolest names for yourself for each game. It added a different dimension of immense fun and involvement to the game. Soze PennStateTrio P.S. Steve Goldberg (in my eyes, "GF Stevie" (GF = Godfather)) is the man. Thanks for the listserv and footbag.org. Ok, enough Christmas thanks and ass kissing. P.P.S. Don't mean to bite too hard off of Greg Nelson's name, sorry. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 13 04:32:05 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04221 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:32:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f31.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.31]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03736 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:28:59 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:28:00 -0800 Received: from 161.184.27.83 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:27:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.27.83] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Footbag Frenzy Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:27:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 00:28:00.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[052B9220:01C1836D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List. Just got one more move name I haven't seen before. What's Assassin? Cool name BTW, whoever came up with it. For those wondering, I only got one reply about the other names, Osmosis, Neurosis, Nucleosis, and Blurrosis. Osmosis is a Slapping Osis, ie: right toe set quantum, plant, spin clockwise, left osis. Like a toe-blender with a plant. Maybe Blurrosis is another name for Blurry Torque. Is Nucleosis a Nuclear Torque? If it is, Shazam! No clue about Neurosis, but it ought to be Whirling Twirl. I know I'm obsessed with finding someone who's hit Whirling Twirl, but it's just such a cool move! If noone's hit Whirling Twirl, has anyone hit Butterfly Twirl? I know Spiral is the new name for Fairy Swirling osis, but a true infinity style butterfly twirl would be sick. Paradon Twirl? Superfly Twirl? Torch-r-rack Twirl? Nemesis Twirl? Barraging Superfly Twirling Swivel??? (12 add) Twirling Twirl would be cool. alright then, time for my medication (Footbag). Later list, Dylan _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 13 15:36:33 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04685 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:36:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h000.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.206]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA04304 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:27:32 -0800 Received: (cpmta 21423 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2001 21:26:23 -0800 Received: from 64.194.176.97 (HELO ghostpirate) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.206) with SMTP; 12 Dec 2001 21:26:23 -0800 X-Sent: 13 Dec 2001 05:26:23 GMT Message-ID: <000901c18396$9db98a00$61b0c240@ghostpirate> From: "Chris Pinkus" To: Subject: [freestyle] Anyone hit symposium tapping symp (and more)? Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:25:45 -0800 Organization: OOPS! Freestyle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Has anyone hit symposium tapping symposium dlo? symposium tapping symposium eggbeater? symposium atomic spinning mirage? And whats the record for consecutive symposium uniques, if there is any? Check out my mohawk too: http://www.oopsfreestyle.com/images/chris/mohawk.jpg Chris Pinkus From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 13 15:40:41 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04697 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:40:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04332 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:16:44 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f62.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.62]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA11173 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:16:14 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:16:11 -0800 Received: from 205.188.192.184 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:16:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.192.184] From: "Bryan Fournier" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:16:10 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 06:16:11.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8EBBBD0:01C1839D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: "Bryan Fournier" >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:35:25 -0800 > >>From: "Jussi Raitio" >>Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:07:07 +0200 >> >>>From: "Sam Colclough" >>>Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:12:32 -0800 >>> >>>From: "Dylan Livingston" >>> > PS:All I want for Christmas is a long list of pixie moves! >>> >>>Merry Christmas Dylan. Hey list can you make sure I got his present >>>right? < Moderator's SNIP (you guys should learn to do this, too ;) > >I started hitting symp. quantam set about a month ago and since then i've >hit symp qauntam mirage, rev. mirage and and op.butterfly... it's a hard >set >to get clean but kinda cool... what about "simple" moves... our club OOPS! >has seen a few of these they look cool when done with bigger like 4 add >moves, like simple blur, with the second dex being simple... just playtime >stuff tho... on pixie i've hit pixie x-body rake both sides. i called it >isotope, but that name shud probly should be used for some nutty nuclear >move maybe nuclear x-body rake or like backside symp. pdx atom smasher. > >~Bryan >OOPS! Footbag >est. the 80's Just to correct myself, i wrote about OOPS! hitting simple blur but simple blur isn't really possible; what I meant was blurry pickup or "blurb" as we've dubbed it. That move that big add chad and jay crook and a grip:) of people hit consistently. So anyway, a simple blurb with the second dex being simple. Ya woo crazy stuff i know, but ya i just wanted to clarify. Try it for shits and giggles i guess. As far as pixie x-body rake, maybe it was called swerve, i forgot... Then what's swish, or swoosh or double over swish? and whoa! to that reuben cohn guy who hit that crazy move lon was talking about, i new he was good when i saw him hit blurry whirl in a intermediate routine at westerns that year... ya where is that guy?, he shredded anyway retreat back to lovely metropolis later ~Bryan Fournier OOPS! freestyle LA, CA. est. 198? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 13 15:41:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04707 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:41:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f41.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.41]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04478 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:48:34 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 01:47:34 -0800 Received: from 203.0.238.3 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:47:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.0.238.3] From: "Brendan Erskine" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag Frenzy Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:47:32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 09:47:34.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[30992370:01C183BB] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Brendan here. An assassin is a pixie ducking mirage. Lynton my fellow Australian freestyler hit's it often and named it. He has also named the following: Atomic ducking mirage - Rasmus Atomic dlo - predator pixie ducking dlo - goliath atomic inspinning dlo - cataclism. If anyone has other names for these, reply away. Last thing. Do these moves have names? - pixie ducking torque, atomic inspinning torque. Anyway shred on. Brendan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Thu Dec 13 15:42:45 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04720 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:42:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04522 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:45:28 -0800 Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA18409 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:44:57 -0800 Received: from laxerone@netscape.net by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id b.e9.28ae7ab (16220); Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m01.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.129]) by air-in01.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILININ18-1213064419; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:44:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:44:18 -0500 From: LaxerOne@netscape.net (Jan Zimmermann) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: Re: [freestyle] Anyone using "Enchanter" as nickname? Message-ID: <3522E883.5D4E1BB1.0078AB1E@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I apologize for the (kind of) rude phrasing of my post. Of course I don't object to giving yourself a name, I just believe making it public on the list each time you give yourself a new name is not very sensible. Having a name given to you is something special, be it by BAP or just the circle of people kicking with you and should not be dilluted by people posting to the list the names they give themselves. Otherwise, sooner or later, we'll have people posting every name they give themselves to the list... Second I think (and this is my opinion) giving yourself a name is kind of pretentious. No, if its inside your circle of friends and comunity and more or less just for fun (like when we were kids right?), and no, if you're asked which name you would like to carry if your BAPtised (is this really the procedure, can somebody clarify this point?), although in this case I still think it's kind of shady. But yes, it is pretentious if you announce it to the public. Is somebodies style enchanting? Is it for him to decide? He might have the grace of a stone brick for all that I know. Yes, you might like a name you give yourself better, but I'd say a (respectfull) name you are given is more true. OK, my 5 Pfennigs again. Yours truly Jan "and just Jan" Zimmermann Kaiser Ahmad wrote: >Jan Zimmermann wrote: > >> I always believed names were "given", "earned" or "bestowed" upon someone by somebody else (or a group of somebody elses)...silly me. > >(To Jan Zimmerman and anyone else who agrees with Jan, please understand that I am in no way trying to tell you "how it is" or "how it's going to be." This is just >simply another viewpoint and my unsupported personal opinion. So please take no offense.) > >Ummm... actually, when we made PennStateTrio, we kind of gave ourselves names because: >1. We just made a cool club >2. It is fun to make a name for yourself in a club >3. Why get a name that you don't like from someone else; Make your own that > you will be happy with >4. It's ok to do this > >There is nothing wrong with giving yourself a name. It does not necessarily mean that you have to be recognized (i.e. BAP) to have a name. You can be in any club >and have a name, especially when it is just for fun. >In regards to footbag, if you are that good and have a name "bestowed" upon you, then so be it, that's great (by the way, I think BAP members get to choose their >own names rather than having one "bestowed" upon them). But getting a name doesn't necessarily mean that you are being knighted or anything. You don't have to be >good enough or be recognized to have an alias, or to have someone else bestow one upon you. Therefore, it doesn't require that you are "given" one if you are just >doing it for yourself and no one else. I have a name, and I have it just for the sole purpose of novelty so that I can add a different degree of fun for myself >with regards to being in my club. >I think that I have addressed this thread correctly, but if I have misunderstood Jan's reply to it, then my bad, and someone please correct me. >The best times in life was when you were a little kid, you played all sorts of different make-believe games, and you had the coolest names for yourself for each >game. It added a different dimension of immense fun and involvement to the game. > >Soze >PennStateTrio > >P.S. Steve Goldberg (in my eyes, "GF Stevie" (GF = Godfather)) is the man. Thanks for the listserv and footbag.org. Ok, enough Christmas thanks and ass kissing. > >P.P.S. Don't mean to bite too hard off of Greg Nelson's name, sorry. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 14 20:13:48 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08987 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:13:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05279 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:20:47 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f196.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.196]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA03149 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:20:15 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:20:15 -0800 Received: from 198.60.195.21 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:20:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.60.195.21] From: "Jim Penske" To: freestyle_spaz@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] What's in a name? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:20:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2001 19:20:15.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[31BF1E80:01C1840B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo list! Swerve is a drifting cross body rake. Double over swish is a double down x-body rake. I dont know what swish is. I thought of a possible new move. Has anyone hit paradox stomping dlo. paradox stomping dlo= paratrooper? stepping paradox stomping dlo= blurry paratrooper What other new moves have people been hitting? Peace, Jim Penske >From: "Bryan Fournier" >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:16:10 -0800 > >>From: "Bryan Fournier" >>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:35:25 -0800 >> >>>From: "Jussi Raitio" >>>Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:07:07 +0200 >>> >>>>From: "Sam Colclough" >>>>Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:12:32 -0800 >>>> >>>>From: "Dylan Livingston" >>>> > PS:All I want for Christmas is a long list of pixie moves! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 14 20:14:26 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08992 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:14:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05326 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:22:33 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA06604 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:22:01 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GOA02B01TWCNO@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:21:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GOA02BD3TWCV7@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:21:48 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:05:58 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] What's in a name? To: freestyle Message-id: <3C0AE94A@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >isotope, but that name shud probly should be used for some nutty nuclear >move maybe nuclear x-body rake or like backside symp. pdx atom smasher. I started hitting Symposium Pdx Atom Smasher about two years ago (though never hitting it consistently) and I know Yacine has hit it a bunch too. I started calling it S.P.A.S. (that last "s" sounding like a "Z"). Who else hits it? Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 14 20:15:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08997 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:15:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05355 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:44:12 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07804 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:43:40 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GOA02D01UWOBI@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:43:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GOA02DKYUWO59@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:43:36 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:27:46 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Anyone using "Enchanter" as nickname? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <3C0AECC2@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Kaiser Ahmad Wrote: >There is nothing wrong with giving yourself a name. It does not necessarily >mean that you have to be recognized (i.e. BAP) to have a name. You can be in >any club and have a name, especially when it is just for fun. I agree. Though I think we need to be going WWF style. Enchanter, Enlightener, Guru, Buddha are all good names but they don't really have that hard working, sweaty, rough and tumble flavor. How about...Hangman, The Surgeon (good for Chad), Reaper, Macho Man, Hulk, Gargantuous, Coroner, The Virus, The CEO, or Bones. Ooo ooo ooo THE OPERATOR Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@list.footbag.org Fri Dec 14 20:16:15 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09002 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:16:15 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: list.footbag.org: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from web20705.mail.yahoo.com (web20705.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.178]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07969 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:00:54 -0800 Message-ID: <20011214090017.70303.qmail@web20705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.204.144.74] by web20705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:00:17 PST Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:00:17 -0800 (PST) From: lon smith Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag Frenzy To: freestyle@list.footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Atomic Inspinning torque and atomic inspinning doubble leg over!!! Wow that's amazing. Have these moves truly been hit?? I need to know for the moves list I been working on. Thanks Signed, Lon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Dec 17 06:39:00 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA03066 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:39:00 -0800 Received: from llic.net (llic.net [209.125.90.2]) by list.footbag.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09214 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:42:57 -0800 Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA08385 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:42:21 -0800 Received: from [144.92.184.180] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id QAA150050 (8.9.1/50); Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:39:41 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20011214164007.00f89190@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:40:07 -0600 To: Brad Kaplan , freestyle From: Matt Kain Lewandowski Subject: RE: [freestyle] What's in a name? In-Reply-To: <3C0AE94A@webmail.mscd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad and all, I have been hitting this move for a while too. We dubbed it "Terrasmasher" around here, but it seems to be one of those moves that (sadly) never received a proper name. Anyone else have an opinion? Matt Kain - Madison Footbag P.S. see everyone at New Year's Jam!!!! At 01:05 PM 12/13/2001 -0700, Brad Kaplan wrote: >> isotope, but that name shud probly should be used for some nutty >> nuclear >> move maybe nuclear x-body rake or like backside symp. pdx atom smasher. > > I started hitting Symposium Pdx Atom Smasher about two years ago (though > never hitting it consistently) and I know Yacine has hit it a bunch too. > I started calling it S.P.A.S. (that last "s" sounding like a "Z"). > Who > else hits it? > > Later, > Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Dec 17 06:41:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA03132 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:41:34 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f227.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.227]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA22232 for ; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:18:35 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:18:34 -0800 Received: from 132.241.245.95 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 05:18:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [132.241.245.95] From: "Tara Ohr" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Do you want to come out and play? Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:18:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2001 05:18:34.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[468DC620: 01C186BA] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello fellow footbaggers of San Francisco and San Diego, This is Tara Ohr Reporting from Chico, California... I'm taking a little road trip down the coast of California and I was wondering if anyone in the Bay is getting together to play on Friday the 21st of December. I rarely get the chance to kick with other players and I would love to see some of you again. If you have any time in the afternoon on Friday, give me a buzz. Either on email tararizohr@hotmail.com or my home phone 530-343-6525. or 714 968-7808 at my parent's house. Also I will be in Santa Barbara on Saturday, DEC. 22 so if anyone in Hermosa Beach or neighboring cities is kickin it. Finally I hope to hit up San Diego for a day, so if you boys down there are playing at all please give me a buzz. Thanks guys and I hope to see you soon. Tara _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Dec 17 15:03:54 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA25444 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:03:54 -0800 Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA09183 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:24:40 -0800 Received: from [195.20.224.204] (helo=mrvdom00.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16G1V6-0008D4-00 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:24:28 +0100 Received: from a1as11-p38.bln.tli.de ([195.252.154.38] helo=nudelsuppe) by mrvdom00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16G1V1-00072k-00 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:24:23 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01c18720$c3a72960$269afcc3@nudelsuppe> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: Subject: [freestyle] Report: German Masters, Nuernberg, 15.12.01 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:32:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Good Morning. The German Footbag Championships, titled German Masters, were held this past Saturday in the Bavarian city Nuernberg. The venue was a gym of 650 m2, which is situated close to the center of Nuernberg. Players started to gather there from 10am on, the first round of open freestyle started at about 1pm. There was a total of 24 competitors coming from all over Germany as well as from Prague and Budapest. The special feature of this tournament was the large video projection screen right next to the arena on which each player's run was shown simultaneously, including a headline showing the player's name and city. The whole competition ran smoothly, there were no delays (good work done here by the head judge Sebastian Kleinichen), and the one round of women's freestyle with 3 competitors and the Sick3 contest were held in between. Women's freestyle was clearly dominated by Jule Boehm, who took home the trophy now for the third time in a row. The Sick3 was held informally, whoever wanted to could enter the stage and perform. Many players, even beginners and those who refused to compete in the routines (me), took part here and tried their best. Among the standards, some crazy stuff could be seen, like Phillip Schaefer's Stepping Catwalk or some guy's push-up neck stall rolling into a gullet delay. The freestyle finals, although at the end of a long day, were clearly the best of all rounds, all competitors had a really good run (with one exception :o). Both the 2 German top players, Jan Zimmermann and Marc Inzinger, showed their elaborate routines almost flawlessly. Nevertheless, they both were beaten by the 2nd Czech prodigy, Ales Zelinka, who showed his skills to a song that kept buzzing in everyone's head the entire evening long. In the end, Jan and Ales had the same score (Simple Ranking System allows this situation unluckily) and a one-on-one comparison had to be done that showed Ales being ranked better than Jan in 3 of 5 categories, so he won. After cleaning up the gym a little, all the players (except Czechs and Hungarians who unluckily had to leave) went to a Mexican style fast-food restaurant (some Taco Bell copy) for dinner. Afterwards, some of us went to a concert in a cafe next door, the others went back to the gym to go to bed there. After the concert, one group went to a gas station in order to get some more beers, Jakob Wagner and me however got lost on the way back to the gym and found there only by inquiring the aborigines and taking the subway. In the gym, the party was just getting started. The concentration of Alcohol and THC in the blood of nearly everyone there turned the gym into a large-scale playground where anything could be done - imagine a mass of footbaggers (who are even under normal conditions playful and sometimes childish) being left alone in a large gym with all the equipment a gym has to offer - mats, ropes and plenty of space. At about 1am a competition was suddenly to start that could even rival World's level (referring to number of participants): A golf tournament with more than 20 competitors! The course included 3 holes on 3 different levels of the gym. Starting on the ground floor, players had to get up to the first floor, go through endless corridors to a bucket standing on a table in the last room, from there all the way back and down into the basement to a bucket hanging at the wall and then finally into the gym again to the most difficult hole: The bucket was hanging 3 meters (almost 10 feet) above the ground. This caused a circle to stand around and to again and again try to hit the elevated target. I don't really remember who won the tournament, I only know it was Daniel Schuldes from Munich hitting the bucket first at about 5am. This golf tournament took 4 hours! I really want to thank Daniel Neufeld for organizing the competition almost solely. It was the first tournament he organized and he did a really good job: perfect schedule, video screen, food & water supply for all players in the gym the whole day long, appearance in the local press and on two nation-wide broadcasting tv stations (!) and a high number of competitors from different countries made this tournament a success! The only shortcoming was that some of the better players couldn't attend due to various reasons. That's it. Matthias. P.S. Results: Women's Freestyle: 1) Jule Boehm, Berlin 2) Claire Beltran, Paris / Berlin 3) Sabrina Weiss, Nuernberg Open Freestyle: 1) Ales Zelinka, Prague 2) Jan Zimmermann, Berlin / Zuerich 3) Marc Inzinger, Darmstadt / Berlin 4) Jakob Wagner, Berlin 5) Yves Kreil, Berlin 6) Christian Loew, Frankfurt Sick3: 1) Jan 'Dexter' Struz, Prague: Stepping Far Reverse Whirl > Ripwalk > Stepping Far Symposium Reverse Whirl 2) Jan Zimmermann, Berlin / Zuerich: ??? (he hit different combos, I don't know which one gave him the 2nd place) 3) Phillip 'ledechiffér' Schaefer, Frankfurt: Stepping Catwalk > Double Legover > Paradon 4) Matthias L. Schmidt, Berlin : Blizzard > Paradon > Barrage From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Dec 17 15:05:04 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA25487 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:05:04 -0800 Received: from pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA12863 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:07:04 -0800 Received: from pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr4so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.107]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GOI0062953OR6@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml2so (pn2ml2so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.146]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GOI008UW53OGO@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from k1 ([24.70.216.74]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with SMTP id <0GOI00BI753O93@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:07:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:09:13 -0800 From: Allan Haggett Subject: [freestyle] Full, frontside or backside symposium? To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: <001e01c1872e$509e94e0$6501a8c0@gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On the string [what's in a name?] Brad Kaplan wrote: > I started hitting Symposium Pdx Atom Smasher about two years ago (though OK, with all the the talk recently on the concept of symposium I figured it might be good to get some clarification on this move. Symposium Prdx AtomSmasher seems a bit ambiguous to me. Do you do the move, what I would call "full" symposium(which would be rather like a Voodoo with the first dex done out/in), frontside, or backside symposium? Backside being a regular Nuclear set followed by a symposium mirage? Or what would be a weird(but oh-so-cool) looking symposium nuclear with a plant after and then a mirage? Just saying "symposium" this or that is OK for basic moves that only have one(or two, you know what I mean... no set involved) element to them, but now that most moves that are being talked about can be done symposium in a variety of ways, I think it might be better if we were all to get a little more specific. BTW: I don't think that "full" symposium moves should get two adds, but moves that are done Yax style, symposium set>plant>symposium X, should as two distinct and seperate symposium elements are present. Peace Allan www.freefootbag.org From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Dec 18 22:45:31 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA04090 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:45:31 -0800 Received: from smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.40]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA00613 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:58:34 -0800 Received: from alex ([24.50.240.141]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GOIL9800.TDR for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:55:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c18713$38410c40$0301a8c0@clvhoh.adelphia.net> From: "alex ciarlillo" To: Subject: [freestyle] Thanks for all the help and more questions Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:55:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yes, more questions, but first I would like to thank you all for the plethora (spelling?) of emails i recieved. I starting getting ATW's about 50% now and sometimes stall it. Also hit an in/out one once too. Clippers are just about as natural as toe stalls on both legs and I am able to set the bag about chest high now. All your tips and hints helped greatly but now I have some more questions. The butterfly I looked extensively on footbag.org but couldnt find anywhere near the info I found on the mirage (which I have hit a few times but not yet stalled). I get the leg overs fine but I am hitting the ground to hard to even think of keeping the bag on. Should I be landing, THEN stalling it or should the footbag be on my foot while i'm in the air? My last question is what is a pixie and what tips do you have on hitting one? I am hoping to get some lavers for x-mas and hoping that will help, but I am still schooling clippers flying clippers leg overs toe stalls and ATWs when I'm alone, just looking for info on these other tricks I can start trying when in a circle with my friends. Thanks, Alex From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Dec 18 22:46:05 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA04098 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:46:05 -0800 Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA00817 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:01:55 -0800 Received: from [144.92.184.95] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id TAA142142 (8.9.1/50); Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:01:46 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.20011217190219.00f8a7b8@students.wisc.edu> X-Sender: mklewand@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:02:19 -0600 To: Allan Haggett , freestyle@list.footbag.org From: Matt Kain Lewandowski Subject: Re: [freestyle] Full, frontside or backside symposium? In-Reply-To: <001e01c1872e$509e94e0$6501a8c0@gv.shawcable.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Allan Haggett wrote: >Symposium Prdx >AtomSmasher seems a bit ambiguous to me.> > I'm pretty sure that Brad (and my follow-up) are both referring to Backside Paradox Symposium Atomsmasher (this, at least, is what I am referring to). In other words, the final mirage is done symposium. Has anyone hit it the other way (i.e., the nuclear dex being symposium)? If so, it would be one truly sick move. Matt Kain - Madison Footbag From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Dec 18 22:46:53 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA04115 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:46:53 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f215.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.215]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA06958 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:17:56 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:06:13 -0800 Received: from 161.184.25.246 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:06:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.25.246] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Full, frontside or backside symposium? Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:06:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2001 19:06:13.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FBA8B40:01C187F7] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On December 17 Allan Haggett wrote: >frontside, or backside >symposium? Backside being a regular Nuclear set followed by a symposium >mirage? Or what would be a weird(but oh-so-cool) looking symposium nuclear >with a plant after and then a mirage? Ya, I think it's starting to become the case that most symposium moves can't just be called Symposium. A move like whirling swirl can be symposium two ways. Symposium whirling swirl, or whirling symposium swirl. This is fairly easy to differentiate, but with a move like toe-blur or omelette, you have to call it frontside or backside symposium. I don't really understand what a "Full" symposium would be, but it sounds like frontside symposium to me. The question is, what kind of symposium is Supernova? It's fog, but the second dexterity is symposium, so is it backside, frontside or neither? Since neither the first or last dex can be symposium it's kind of a useless question, but what if some crazy shredder hit a pixie quantum illusion? If he hit it symposium, we'd have three possible ways to do it. Frontside, backside, and...middleside? What would a symposium middle-dex be called? Just wondering list. Symposium Terawhirl would be cool! Peace, Dylan _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Dec 18 22:50:20 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA04244 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:50:20 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f10.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.10]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA11669 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:17:06 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:17:02 -0800 Received: from 24.64.223.204 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:17:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.64.223.204] From: "Jubal Hume" To: allan@footbag.org, freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Full, frontside or backside symposium? and more paradox Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 13:17:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2001 21:17:02.0281 (UTC) FILETIME=[560C3B90:01C18809] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Allan Haggett >To: freestyle@list.footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Full, frontside or backside symposium? >might be good to get some clarification on this move. Symposium Prdx >AtomSmasher seems a bit ambiguous to me. >Just saying "symposium" this or that is OK for basic moves that only have >now that most moves that are being talked about can be done symposium in a >variety of ways, I think it might be better if we were all to get a little >more specific. >BTW: I don't think that "full" symposium moves should get two adds, but >moves that are done Yax style, symposium set>plant>symposium X, should as >two distinct and seperate symposium elements are present. I AGREE!!!! Allan...I so agree!!! and the same for rooted moves... also I wish to add to this complexity..lol...I think this is a great way to look at paradox moves too...front side/ backside/ etc...and multiple paradoxing...like stepping motion for EG:...each extra dex should get a P add as well..like the third dex in the afore mentioned move...and some twirls too...if done correctly should get the extra [backside paradox too]...my 25 cents worth... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Dec 18 22:52:45 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA04321 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:52:45 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f65.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.65]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA29131 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:58:48 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:58:48 -0800 Received: from 207.194.21.34 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 02:58:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.194.21.34] From: "Jonathan Zaleski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Hitting Fairy Weaving Osis and others? Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:58:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2001 02:58:48.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[14B47A10:01C18839] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey yall, Today I had fairy weaving osis on my foot, and im pretty sure im gonna hit it really soon. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else has hit it yet, and if it has a name, cuz ive just been calling it feaver. I was also trying some pixie backspinning stuff, and was wandering if any one else has tried that, and if so , whats been hit from it.Props to anyone who has hit anything pixie backspinning, its frikkn hard. But ya, thats all folks, Happy holidays from, Jon Zaleski _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Dec 20 13:00:11 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA01663 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:00:11 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f35.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.35]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA06735 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 00:21:42 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 00:10:00 -0800 Received: from 128.148.209.72 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:09:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.209.72] From: "Ken Somolinos" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Full, frontside or backside symposium? Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 03:09:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2001 08:10:00.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E3500F0:01C18864] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shredders, Dylan Livingston wrote: >A move like whirling swirl can be symposium two >ways. Symposium whirling swirl, or whirling symposium swirl. I'll bite....how can a swirl be symposium? There are some moves which aren't technically symposium, but are harder than their non pseudo-symposium variants, like SP blender. But symposium swirl? Peace, Ken PS- I'll be in San Diego from January 2nd through the 4th or 5th, and then in LA from the 4th or 5th through the 8th. Anybody want to play? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Dec 20 13:01:45 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA01754 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:01:45 -0800 Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA25983 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:45:40 -0800 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:39:52 -0500 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA8802DC9AA6@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Chilly Philly update - DATE CHANGE Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:39:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi List- The Chilly Philly date has *changed* to Saturday January 5th. We've got a great venue a nice list of players attending. We'll be shredding and holding an informal shred competition as well. Please check out the full details before emailing any questions. Here's a link to those details: http://www.footbag.org/calendar/show/1007420059 Thanks! Bob Riefer Philly Footworks From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Dec 20 13:07:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA02106 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:07:19 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f214.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.214]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA13772 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:54:54 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:03:49 -0800 Received: from 208.25.88.97 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:03:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.25.88.97] From: Noah Jay-Bonn To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Tips for moves and Portland visit Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:03:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2001 22:03:49.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[09B03C30:01C188D9] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi List! This is my first time writing to the list but I have two things that I want to ask, so here it goes. First off, Im going to be in Portland, OR from December 23rd to the 30th and I was looking for some people to shred with. Both me and my little sister play their as often as we can but rarely find other people to kick with. So if you're in the area and want to play anytime that week, drop me a line at Noah@footbag.org or give me a call during those days at 503-771-7068. Secondly, while looking up moves on the move lists I noticed that a lot of the moves have no helpful tips written for them. I know that a whole bunch of you can hit a whole bunch of those moves, so if you could fill in your tips on how to do them, it'd be a lot of help. Usually if I can get a move with a good tip quicker than I can hit a move that I don't recieve any help on. So fill out those little "add your tip" things puh-lease! Noah _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Dec 20 13:08:18 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA02163 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:08:18 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA23886 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:18:47 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GON08Y01K3BYM@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:18:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GON08XI6K3BKF@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:18:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:02:48 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Full, frontside or backside symposium? To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <3C0D974E@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In regards to PS Atom Smasher Allen Wrote: >Do you do the move, what I would call "full" symposium(which would be rather >like a Voodoo with the first dex done out/in), frontside, or backside >symposium? Backside being a regular Nuclear set followed by a symposium >mirage? I do it as a backside symposium. My legs don't understand frontside symposium moves, they think I'm kidding when I try. Dylan Livingston wrote: >The question is, what kind of symposium is Supernova? It's fog, but the second >dexterity is symposium, so is it backside, frontside or neither? It's a backside as well? Later, Brad "The Defraculator" Kaplan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 21 07:10:49 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA11417 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:10:49 -0800 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA11552 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 03:24:17 -0800 Received: from laxerone@netscape.net by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id k.e9.2967460 (16231); Wed, 19 Dec 2001 06:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.131]) by air-in02.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILININ27-1219062359; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 06:23:59 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 06:23:59 -0500 From: laxerone@netscape.net (Jan Zimmermann) To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Report: German Masters, Nuernberg, 15.12.01 Message-ID: <6976667F.43D19B34.009ED3DE@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Sick3: >1) Jan 'Dexter' Struz, Prague: Stepping Far Reverse Whirl > Ripwalk > Stepping Far Symposium Reverse >Whirl >2) Jan Zimmermann, Berlin / Zuerich: ??? (he hit different combos, I don't know which one gave him >the 2nd place) >3) Phillip 'ledechiffér' Schaefer, Frankfurt: Stepping Catwalk > Double Legover > Paradon >4) Matthias L. Schmidt, Berlin : Blizzard > Paradon > Barrage > Just to clarify: I hit: blizzard>legbeater>stepping dlo and legbeater>spinning butterfly>torque and I made third place in sick three, philip schaefer came second. Jan -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 21 07:36:18 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA12718 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 07:36:18 -0800 Received: from alpha.math.uga.edu (alpha.math.uga.edu [128.192.3.9]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA06271; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:14:38 -0800 Received: from localhost (faber@localhost) by alpha.math.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA19974; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:14:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:14:27 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Faber To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Full, frontside or backside symposium? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ken Somolinos said: > I'll bite....how can a swirl be symposium? There are some moves which > aren't technically symposium, but are harder than their non pseudo-symposium > variants, like SP blender. But symposium swirl? This is actually how I do my swirls. Suppose you set from a right clipper. Then plant your clipper foot straight down and launch off of it, so that your leg passes over the bag and back through the dexterity, catching the bag on the dex foot and landing on the support leg at the same time. This is actually a nice way to get the movements down for infinity swirl (I've hit this symposium style), spinning swirl (oh so close), and symposium reverse twirl. Alex Faber From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Dec 22 18:46:36 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA19695 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:46:36 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f38.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.38]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA27108 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:13:06 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 11:13:02 -0800 Received: from 161.184.28.220 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:13:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.28.220] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] new move Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:13:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2001 19:13:02.0518 (UTC) FILETIME=[82D7BD60:01C18A53] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list. I hit an interesting move a few times yesterday, and I was just wondering if it has a name or if anyone else is hitting it. It was a heel-set osis, torque style. Kinda like the pincher-set osis Marc Inzinger hit in "A Lesson in Freestyle". I found the clip on footbagfreestyle.de . You basically just set from heel, do a quickie half dexterity in-out (kinda like a backside pixie or something), then spin into an opposite osis. The move looks pretty neat, and is pretty difficult, but I'm not sure if it's unique. I think it is tho. I've taken to calling this move Helix (Like Heel-Ix), and I think the backside pixie deely should be called a Heli set (Next big move: Heli-torque:Helicopter! ;). I don't see too many heel-delays in routine shreds, and too many soles and flappers. It's nice to see pincher-set moves performed more lately, but I like the heel delay, and Helix does look quite cool. Anyone have any objections? PS:In regards to the backside frontside full thread, I can't actually do a regular swirl, my leg won't let me yet, but I can swivel like a king, and I do swirls quite easily just like a symposium blender. I didn't realize this wasn't very common, but I guess swirl can't be TRULY symposium, like blender. You do get an extra add tho, and the move would probably end up being called whirling Symp. Swirl. And I was trying to focus more on symposium being overgeneralized anyway, so I guess I might have picked the wrong move. Toe-blurry blizzard is a better move to prove this point with. Didn't mean to rattle anyone's cage tho, Sorry! Dylan _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Dec 22 18:49:05 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA19765 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:49:05 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f153.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.153]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA02278 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 09:57:26 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 09:57:25 -0800 Received: from 128.214.157.162 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:57:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.214.157.162] From: "Samuli Viitanen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Swirl stuff (Was :Full, frontside or...) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:57:25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2001 17:57:25.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D3E5120:01C18B12] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ho-ho-ho!! Meeerry x-mas!! Alexander Faber mentioned the following trick in his recent mail: >spinning swirl (oh so >close), Anyone hit this? I've been hitting it for a while (I managed to hit it first time clean this summer), although it's a move that you can nail cleanly very seldom. I've seen Ryan Mulroney hit it on aggressive grounds. And an other swirl-related quiestion: anybody been hitting stepping swirl? I got hold of it during last summer also. So, any names for stepping and spinning swirls? Swirl moves are so phat. Happy holidays to everyone!!! -Samuli Viitanen, Team Finland _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Dec 22 18:51:40 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA19983 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:51:40 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f196.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.196]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA03852 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:41:30 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:41:30 -0800 Received: from 161.184.29.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:41:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.29.62] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Who's hit what? Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:41:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2001 18:41:30.0596 (UTC) FILETIME=[45951A40:01C18B18] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list! I was just wondering if anyone's hit any of the following moves. There's some toughies, but I think they're all possible. If noone's hit them, they'd at least be quite a challenge. Some are easier, some are tougher, you get the picture. Pixie same/op toe blizzard pixie same op front/back symposium toe blizzard pixie same/op frontside symposium toe blur pixie barrage Terraging same Illusion Terraging butterfly terraging paradon (Toughie!) Paradon-set legover (Toe-op out-same out-op out-same toe)Paratrooper? Pixie double drifter Blurry Blizzard (Wizard. Toughest move in the world? Yes.) Step Paradox Legbeater (Blitz. Not Shooting Butterfly. I believe this move would be damn cool) ATW Swirl (Toe-Same ATW-Op Swirl-Op Toe) Legbeater-Dragon (Harder than it sounds) Slapping Revstein (Like Triple-dexing toe-motion) Blurroque (Blurry Barroque. Good luck!) Good luck hitting all this crazy stuff! It's all fairly difficult but I think most of the stuff's possible. Good luck! Dylan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Dec 22 18:54:04 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA20104 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:54:04 -0800 Received: from mailrelay1.chek.com (plotnick.chek.com [208.197.227.116]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id NAA09526 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:45:33 -0800 Received: (qmail 16770 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 21:45:20 -0000 Received: from purina.chek.com (208.197.227.8) by mailrelay1.chek.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 21:45:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 2852 invoked by uid 99); 22 Dec 2001 21:43:10 -0000 Date: 22 Dec 2001 21:43:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20011222214310.2851.qmail@purina.chek.com> From: "peter bevitori" To: freestyle@footbag.org X-MASSMAIL: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [198.172.39.142] Subject: [freestyle] More pixie moves Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey everybody, it seems that i've gotten a lot of mail about people looking for pixie moves to add to their move lists, well i just thought of some stuff to add maybe: majello =pixie same dyno majello jiggler = pixie same symposium dyno also any frontside pixie moves, not that i can do any, but i haven't seen a list of any of those moves... also, the majello jiggler, i just hit, and i'm sure there is some debate on the symposiumness of dyno's, or if people have already been calling it something else, so, sorries if i'm stealing names, laters, pete r. bevitori ________________________________________________________________ Get Free Anime Email, News, Links, Forums and Shopping at http://www.AnimeNation.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Dec 23 07:20:13 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA05731 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 07:20:13 -0800 Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA31433 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 01:41:47 -0800 From: Emil Kofod-Olsen Received: from fepP5.im.tele.dk ([195.41.46.245]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20011223094145.OGHF16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@fepP5.im.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:41:45 +0100 To: "Footbag list" Subject: Re: [freestyle] More pixie moves Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:41:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20011222214310.2851.qmail@purina.chek.com> X-Mailer: Opasia webmail (version opasia/3.0.11) X-Originating-IP: 80.62.244.57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <20011223094145.OGHF16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@fepP5.im.tele.dk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by llic.net id BAA31433 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "peter bevitori" wrote: > majello jiggler = pixie same symposium dyno I have some difficulty figuring out how a dyno could ever be syposium, but maybe I got somthing wrong. As far as I can figure out a dyno is an osis with a back-swirling dex? So maybe sombody could explain this move to me? emil From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 06:27:01 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25626 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:27:01 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f159.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.159]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA09258 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:14:56 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:03:32 -0800 Received: from 208.141.171.195 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:03:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.141.171.195] From: "Jim Penske" To: fbagsam@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirl stuff (Was :Full, frontside or...) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:03:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2001 17:03:32.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[C04EBAF0:01C18BD3] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've hit spinning swirl, stepping swirl, and diving swirl but I havent thought of any names. peace, Jim Penske >From: "Samuli Viitanen" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Swirl stuff (Was :Full, frontside or...) >Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:57:25 > > >Anyone hit this? I've been hitting it for a while (I managed to hit it >first >time clean this summer), although it's a move that you can nail cleanly >very >seldom. I've seen Ryan Mulroney hit it on aggressive grounds. And an other >swirl-related quiestion: anybody been hitting stepping swirl? I got hold of >it during last summer also. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 06:28:22 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25637 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:28:22 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f232.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.232]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA09617; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:21:06 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:10:00 -0800 Received: from 208.141.171.195 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:09:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.141.171.195] From: "Jim Penske" To: integer@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Full, frontside or backside symposium? Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:09:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2001 17:10:00.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[A772A2C0:01C18BD4] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org When I do a G.B.A.S.(torquing dyno) I do the torque motion then I do what feels like a symposium dyno. e.g. right clipper set, torque with your left leg then jump off your right foot and do a dyno. Swirls can be done like this to. Ive been calling it sawedoff. peace, Jim Penske >From: Alexander Faber >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Full, frontside or backside symposium? >Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:14:27 -0500 (EST) >This is actually how I do my swirls. Suppose you set from a right >clipper. Then plant your clipper foot straight down and launch off of it, >so that your leg passes over the bag and back through the dexterity, >catching the bag on the dex foot and landing on the support leg at the >same time. This is actually a nice way to get the movements down for >infinity swirl (I've hit this symposium style), spinning swirl (oh so >close), and symposium reverse twirl. > > Alex Faber _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 06:29:48 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25658 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:29:48 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f109.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.109]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA10332 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:39:02 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:27:32 -0800 Received: from 209.79.217.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:27:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.79.217.2] From: "Randy Magliocca" Subject: [freestyle] Blurriest to Jani Walker? To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:27:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2001 17:27:32.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AA44FD0:01C18BD7] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, I was just wondering if any1 out there could hit blurriest to jani walker, and put it on video and send it to me. Well latter. Randy Magliocca(The Enchanter) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 06:31:09 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25693 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:31:09 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f151.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.151]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA11332 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:17:17 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:17:16 -0800 Received: from 209.79.217.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:17:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.79.217.2] From: "Randy Magliocca" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] More pixie moves Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:17:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2001 18:17:16.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D8057C0:01C18BDE] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well in my oppinion, dyno can be symposium. If you do the rev. whirl dex without a plant then it should be symposium. So, do the dex without a plant, then plant to do the osis. I've seen peter do this and when you see it you realise, this must be symposium. Later. Randy Magliocca(The Enchanter) >From: Emil Kofod-Olsen >To: "Footbag list" >Subject: Re: [freestyle] More pixie moves >Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:41:45 +0100 > > > > >"peter bevitori" wrote: > > > majello jiggler = pixie same symposium dyno > >I have some difficulty figuring out how a dyno could ever be syposium, but >maybe I got somthing wrong. As far as I can figure out a dyno is an osis >with a back-swirling dex? > >So maybe sombody could explain this move to me? > >emil > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 06:31:50 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25726 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:31:50 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f53.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.53]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA24690 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:32:41 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:20:57 -0800 Received: from 203.164.2.75 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:20:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.164.2.75] From: "Dan Ednie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Stomping Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:20:57 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2001 00:20:57.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBC5E730:01C18C10] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello list I have been adding a few stomping moves to my runs lately but i was unable to find any stomping moves on the footbag.org move list I've been told that there is no add for stomping but logic tells me that there should be The question is whether there is an additional add for stomping moves? At the X games this year we did a footbag clone of the popular breakdancing format It worked quite well and is a nice variation on normal shred Australia won due to home crowd support Dan _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 06:33:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25783 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:33:34 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f79.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.79]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA28901 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:30:17 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:30:13 -0800 Received: from 216.27.144.66 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:30:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.27.144.66] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] semi-symposium Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 21:30:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2001 02:30:13.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA596B70:01C18C22] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I believe there needs to be a clearer definition of "semi"-symposium. In my opinion, "symposium" breaks down into two categories (feel free to argue): 1. symposium dex -> op stall 2. symposium dex -> same stall 1. The original meaning of symposium: symposium mirage, symposium whirl, etc. I think the only problem point here was the symposium butterfly. 2. I remember questions about this when I first started kicking (which doesn't say much about how far back the questions go.) I remember people asking if pixie switch-over should get four adds because you have to jump off the support leg. I didn't believe in this kind of symposium until I saw Ken leap four feet into the air for the P'S' blender. Without a doubt doing a move that way makes it more difficult. But does that make the move as difficult as a true PS blender: PS whirling.. -> plant -> ..osis? Alex Faber mentioned infinity butterfly swirl in which case your dexing foot also leaves the ground before the support leg is planted. But.. "'Symposium' is a concept for moves where the leg performing a dexterity (ie., circling the footbag) is planted immediately before and after the dexterity, while the other (setting) leg does not touch the ground." (www.footbag.org) The idea is that the entire dexterity is symposium, not just the leap. Infinity butterfly swirl, for example, would be more difficult as an infinity butterfly -> plant -> swirl. Perhaps if the entire dexterity is completed before the support leg touches the ground, then it can be called symposium? Maybe we could have another judge that calculates the percentage of the dexterity completed before the support leg touches the ground, and awards that many extra percent of the symposium add? Just being silly.. whatever you call it, it's cool, it's footbag, keep shredding, i hit a dlo, peace, and happy holidays! -stan _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 06:34:35 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25823 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:34:35 -0800 Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA16274 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 06:10:09 -0800 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:10:35 -0500 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA8802DC9B55@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] new move Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:10:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Dylan Livingston [mailto:shags125@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:13 PM > > I don't see too many heel-delays > in routine > shreds, and too many soles and flappers. It's nice to see > pincher-set moves I was playing with Jon Schneider this past weekend (the king of unique in my opinion) and he was hitting pincher to "torque style" osis mid run -- very stylish. He also hit symposium whirling cross body sole stall (like symp whirl ending on sole) -- pure sickness. And, sole kick, spin, sole kick, spin. That's hard. This all in addition to all the dragon and spinning and everything else. He's good at footbag. Oh yeah.. A swirling spinning set is soooo almost there for him too. I have it on vid.. Watched it slow motion about 20 times. Cool as hell. Bob Riefer Philly Footworks PS - (shameless event plug) Come to the Chilly Philly. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 06:35:41 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25876 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:35:41 -0800 Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA23425 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:59:57 -0800 Received: from 24-205-34-189.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.com ([24.205.34.189] helo=sam) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16IaKA-0002vZ-00; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:59:46 -0800 Message-ID: <002801c18cac$c7caba20$bd22cd18@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Emil Kofod-Olsen" , "Footbag list" References: <20011222214310.2851.qmail@purina.chek.com> <20011223094145.OGHF16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@fepP5.im.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [freestyle] More pixie moves Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:56:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Emil Kofod-Olsen" > I have some difficulty figuring out how a dyno could ever be syposium, but maybe I got somthing wrong. > *snipity snipity snip snip bam* > So maybe sombody could explain this move to me? I'm guessing that when Peter says symposium dyno, he is talking about simple dyno. Simple dyno is sort of symposium until the last minute. Since most modern dynos are reverse blenders anyway, a simple dyno, if done while turning your head to the other side, would probably look like the original dyno. uh rippen? help. -sam colclough From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 06:38:00 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25989 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:38:00 -0800 Received: from alpha.math.uga.edu (alpha.math.uga.edu [128.192.3.9]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30207; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:20:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (faber@localhost) by alpha.math.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA17913; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:20:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:20:32 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Faber To: Sam Colclough cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Symposium at all? Was "Full, frontside or backside symposium?" In-Reply-To: <004e01c18cad$46539c40$bd22cd18@charterpipeline.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sam Colclough says: > Thats an awsome way to do swirls ... I'm not really into starting a > debate or anything. But uh... how are they symposium when your support > leg still supports you and your dex leg isn't the support leg? There's no debate. They aren't symposium. I'm claiming they're symposium style ... set, plant all weight on dex leg, launch off of dex leg. I may be misquoting, but I think Ellis was calling this kind of move "quasi" ... as in quasi swirl. I quite like this idea to clearly show that it isn't symposium, but it's in the flavor of symposium. > shred real hard and this is just talk cause im bored weeee, > sam colclough ?? I'll just say, shred on. Alex Faber PS See you all in Chi-town in a few days. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 06:40:53 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA26154 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:40:53 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA09006 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:22:35 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GP003X01ZL5IY@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:22:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GP003W7JZL5JR@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:22:17 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:06:08 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Symposium at all? Was "Full, frontside or backside symposium?" To: freestyle Message-id: <3C0F074D@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Alexander Faber ===== >This is actually how I do my swirls. Suppose you set from a right >clipper. Then plant your clipper foot straight down and launch off of it, >so that your leg passes over the bag and back through the dexterity, >catching the bag on the dex foot and landing on the support leg at the >same time. This is actually a nice way to get the movements down for >infinity swirl (I've hit this symposium style), spinning swirl (oh so >close), and symposium reverse twirl. I still don't see how this is symposium. I know exactly what you're talking about and it does make for a quicker swirl when throwing in other dexterities, but it's not symposium. In order for swirl to be symposium you'd have to set the bag plant the foot, lift the support leg, do the dex with the planted foot, catch the bag with that same foot, then land. Landing and planting at the same time would negate the sympsoium. This same thing has been raised about symposium blender and ps blender because the symspoum dex and catch are done with the same leg. It makes it a more unique move and something slightly harder, but not quite symposium. The key being that the catch has to happen before the landing and it's REALLY hard to tell if that happens cleanly without instant replay. Later, Brad "The Defraculator" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 06:41:53 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA26246 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:41:53 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA09644 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:43:42 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GP103Y010KT4F@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:43:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GP103WAL0KTJH@clem.mscd.edu>; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:43:41 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:27:32 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] new move To: Dylan Livingston , freestyle Message-id: <3C0F0822@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Dylan Livingston ===== >It was a heel-set osis, torque style. I've been hitting this for a long time. Probably about two years. It's hard to play in to so it's usually a starter for me. It's definitely unique, but the set and dex have to be super clean so it doesn't look like you're pulling it through. >I've taken to calling this move Helix (Like Heel-Ix), and I think the >backside pixie deely should be called a Heli set (Next big move: >Heli-torque:Helicopter! ;). I hate to do this, but that name is already taken for Heel Set Flux which I hit about four months ago. Other heel set moves I've hit are (insert heel at the beginning) Pixie Butterfly Parkwalk Smear Smudge Pixie Paradon Pixie Osis (same and op) Magellan >but I guess swirl can't be TRULY symposium, like >blender. You do get an extra add tho, and the move would probably end up >being called whirling Symp. Swirl I had a little trouble following this part of the message. What do you get and extra add for? If you're saying symposium swirl then I'll refer anyone who cares to the post I just made on the "frontside backside symposium" thread. To sum up, I don't think there's an extra add unless that symposium is SUPER CLEAN and undeniable. Later, Brad "The Legislator" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 06:42:28 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA26267 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:42:28 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA09817 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:47:07 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GP103Y010QJ7D@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:47:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GP103WCD0QJJP@clem.mscd.edu>; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:47:07 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:30:58 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Swirl stuff (Was :Full, frontside or...) To: freestyle , Samuli Viitanen Message-id: <3C0F0845@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Samuli Viitanen ===== >And an other swirl-related quiestion: anybody been hitting stepping swirl? I >got hold of it during last summer also. Tuan hit it on Rye Shred I believe. If not then it was on Raw Shred. It was stepping op swirl not same side if that's the one you're talking about. Later, Brad "The Procrastinator" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 06:43:40 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA26376 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:43:40 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA10274 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:58:14 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GP103L011923V@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:58:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GP103WFM192JH@clem.mscd.edu>; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:58:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:42:05 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Who's hit what? To: Dylan Livingston , freestyle Message-id: <3C0F08F5@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Dylan Livingston ===== >I was just wondering if anyone's hit any of the following moves. I feel like I've been braggin too much recently, but since I'm currently laid up with a severe ankle sprain (trying pixie double over down) I need something to do. Of the moves Dylan mentioned I've hit a couple. pixie same frontside symposium toe blur pixie barrage (I've hit both where all dexes are done with one leg and the Blurrage version but pixie) >Step Paradox Legbeater (Blitz. Not Shooting Butterfly. I believe this move >would be damn cool) Otherwise known as Blurry legbeater. I haven't even come close, but I know someone who's working on it who is very close. >ATW Swirl (Toe-Same ATW-Op Swirl-Op Toe) I'm a hairs width away from this one. Good moves all, but I have a feeling that some on the original list are only possible on some planetoid mass with less gravity. Later, Brad "The Defraculator" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 06:44:33 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA26434 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 06:44:33 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA10602 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:11:23 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GP103Y011UYY4@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:11:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GP103WNY1UYJH@clem.mscd.edu>; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:11:22 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:55:13 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] More pixie moves To: Emil Kofod-Olsen , Footbag list Message-id: <3C0F098E@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Emil Kofod-Olsen ===== >> majello jiggler = pixie same symposium dyno > >I have some difficulty figuring out how a dyno could ever be syposium, but maybe I got somthing wrong. As far as I can figure out a dyno is an osis with a back-swirling dex? You're not the only one havong difficulty with this. This whole symposium swirl, dyno, blender mess is becoming a real pain. I fear for the safety of those new to the sport. It would be greatly appreciated if those who believe these are possible and are claiming to hit them would put out a video clip (if possible) so that it can be plainly seen what is being done to make the virtually impossible possible. Later, Brad "The Flatulator" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 11:16:42 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA32767 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:16:42 -0800 Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA27438 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:16:28 -0800 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:16:32 -0500 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA8802DC9BD7@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'Randy Magliocca'" , freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] More pixie moves Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:16:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Magliocca [mailto:freakfootbag@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 1:17 PM > > Well in my oppinion, dyno can be symposium. If you do the > rev. whirl dex > without a plant then it should be symposium. If you watch atomic moves (as an example), the initial launch is often times very "symposium" style. Then the other foot quickly plants on the ground to support the player and the rest of the move is executed. I don't think there's any argument that a traditional aomic set isn't symposium (although with this example there are instances where symposiumness can be achieved with atomic.. but as a general concept...), because of this quick plant by the other foot. Neither then would other moves that follow a similar pattern, such as dyno or blender, be symposium. Alex Faber's point (rehashed here for ease) is clear and correct in my opinion: > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexander Faber [mailto:integer@footbag.org] > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 6:21 PM > > There's no debate. They aren't symposium. I'm claiming they're symposium > style ... set, plant all weight on dex leg, launch off of dex leg. I > may be misquoting, but I think Ellis was calling this kind of move "quasi" > ... as in quasi swirl. I quite like this idea to clearly show that it > isn't symposium, but it's in the flavor of symposium. Flavor. Thanks. Bob Riefer From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Dec 28 11:18:11 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA00373 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:18:11 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f95.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.95]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA28664 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:00:44 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:00:44 -0800 Received: from 165.121.216.4 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:00:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.121.216.4] From: "Ken Somolinos" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org, fbagsam@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [freestyle] Swirl stuff (Was :Full, frontside or...) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:00:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2001 16:00:44.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE6BA4C0:01C18FB8] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > >===== Original Message From Samuli Viitanen ===== > >And an other swirl-related quiestion: anybody been hitting stepping >swirl? I > >got hold of it during last summer also. Then the defractulator: > Tuan hit it on Rye Shred I believe. If not then it was on Raw Shred. > It >was stepping op swirl not same side if that's the one you're talking about. I've seen Tuan (his video from 96, and from 97), Pete (the sickening), and Ryan hit stepping same swirl on video. This is harder than step butterfly swirl for window reasons. I've seen a bunch of people hit this one too. I've hit stepping reverse swirl in addition to the other two, i find the reverse swirl version to be the hardest. Lon hit pixie same foot swirl on Sultans as well. Shred, CF _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Dec 30 12:02:21 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA07707 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:02:21 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f183.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.183]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA10068 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:04:34 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:04:30 -0800 Received: from 24.4.252.10 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 02:04:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.4.252.10] From: "David Tomlinson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] dragon sets Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:04:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2001 02:04:30.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[26B0CC60:01C1900D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey list, i'm new here and i've got a few questions. First off, how can i set a dragon strait up??? i can't do it for some reason. also, what has been hit from a dragon? thanks, dave _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Dec 30 12:03:43 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA07758 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:03:43 -0800 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA01345 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:00:35 -0800 Received: from 24-205-34-189.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.com ([24.205.34.189] helo=sam) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16KPek-0003MK-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:00:34 -0800 Message-ID: <002801c190a3$1b8a4500$bd22cd18@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: Subject: [freestyle] yet another Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:57:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org phasing = fairy swirling phasing osis (fairy reverse twirl) = spiral (tim werner) phasing dyno = downward spiral (sam colclough... i got my x-mas present) -sam colclcough http://www.oopsfreestyle.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Dec 30 12:04:44 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA07805 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:04:44 -0800 Received: from web13601.mail.yahoo.com (web13601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.112]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id UAA14059 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:15:27 -0800 Message-ID: <20011229041526.12308.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.20.182.98] by web13601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:15:26 PST Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:15:26 -0800 (PST) From: Trevor Jones Subject: [freestyle] lavers and a nice footbag To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey this is Tre and i want to know if any of you freestyle shredders have any old rod laver shoes or any old footbags, i cant order them on line because my dad doesnt have a credit card any more so if you guys would help me out that would be awesome, I'm still learning but my best trick would probably be a pixie osis or a ducking butterfly, my friend lost my footbag but gave me money for another, but i cant order one so please help me out, i really like the revolution footbags but any would be fine since i dont have one at all right now. lavers in any condition would be good too. thanks everybody __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Dec 31 07:16:01 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA03362 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:16:01 -0800 Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h014.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.221]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id BAA29074 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:16:43 -0800 Received: (cpmta 28226 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 01:16:29 -0800 Received: from 64.194.176.97 (HELO ghostpirate) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.221) with SMTP; 31 Dec 2001 01:16:29 -0800 X-Sent: 31 Dec 2001 09:16:29 GMT Message-ID: <000a01c191db$d0323060$61b0c240@ghostpirate> Reply-To: "Chris Pinkus" From: "Chris Pinkus" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symposium at all? Was "More pixie moves" Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:16:21 -0800 Organization: OOPS! Freestyle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org For any move to be symposium, the dexing leg must touch the ground before the delay. So the only way you can do a symp blender dyno, is by doing a symp whirling same osis. And even then it would be called a symp whirling same osis, and not symp dyno/blender. Chris Pinkus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Magliocca" To: Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [freestyle] More pixie moves > Well in my oppinion, dyno can be symposium. If you do the rev. whirl dex > without a plant then it should be symposium. So, do the dex without a plant, > then plant to do the osis. I've seen peter do this and when you see it you > realise, this must be symposium. Later. > > Randy Magliocca(The Enchanter) > > > >From: Emil Kofod-Olsen > >To: "Footbag list" > >Subject: Re: [freestyle] More pixie moves > >Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:41:45 +0100 > > > >"peter bevitori" wrote: > > > > > majello jiggler = pixie same symposium dyno > > > >I have some difficulty figuring out how a dyno could ever be syposium, but > >maybe I got somthing wrong. As far as I can figure out a dyno is an osis > >with a back-swirling dex? > > > >So maybe sombody could explain this move to me? > > > >emil > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com