From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 2 06:29:15 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA09964 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:29:15 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f152.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.152]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA06607 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:57:57 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:46:37 -0800 Received: from 209.79.217.2 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:46:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.79.217.2] From: "Randy Magliocca" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Weaving Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:46:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2001 16:46:37.0451 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6AA65B0:01C1921A] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What is weaving. I know this sounds stupid but I never learned what weaving was. Plz explain. Thanx. Randy _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 2 06:32:32 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA10070 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:32:32 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f79.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.79]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14293 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:38:35 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:27:02 -0800 Received: from 24.64.223.204 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:27:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.64.223.204] From: Jubal Hume To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symposium at all? Was "More pixie moves" Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 13:27:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2002 21:27:02.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DE21C10:01C1930B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >For any move to be symposium, the dexing leg must touch the ground before >the delay. >So the only way you can do a symp blender dyno, is by doing a symp whirling >same osis. >And even then it would be called a symp whirling same osis, and not symp >dyno/blender. > >Chris Pinkus true...as it was ten years ago...but contemporary freestylers tend to agree on the fact that new concepts have to be introduced to keep up with current freestyle moves...the old way was fine until footbaggers achieved the ability to do NEW concept moves...so instead of adding another category...we could just call it a backside symposium... call it what you will...it is still a more difficult move style... and this would end this string...unless there is a better idea for what to call it...cause it has to be called something or not be talked about. I say we all have an online forum and VOTE on all this stuff once and for all...like paradox and symposium and all that stuff that gets argued about..So anyone who wants to can e-mail me..or not...but it seems to me that all this text and time could be put to better use...like PROMOTING FOOTBAG...not picking at it !!!!!!!!!! I still need more people to join in the spring 2002 footbag promotions forum [date to be set soon]in Victoria BC Canada....see ya when you arrive...[all those who are..] and everyone is welcome...even non pro open..we are all in this together...or not... Jubal Hume _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 2 06:33:17 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA10081 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:33:17 -0800 Received: from web11403.mail.yahoo.com (web11403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.233]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id XAA02776 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:08:17 -0800 Message-ID: <20020102070816.67063.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.73.250.22] by web11403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 23:08:16 PST Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:08:16 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: [freestyle] missing footbags :-( To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi people, New Years Jam was awesome! But I lost 2 footbags and that sucks! One of them is navy blue and yellow, the other is red and yellow. Both are 32 panel Mike Wilsons. If anyone has them, please let me know. Later, James Risden __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 2 06:40:30 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA10357 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:40:30 -0800 Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA09441 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:32:07 -0800 Received: from attbi.com ([12.238.156.205]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011231183159.EQAG20122.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:31:59 +0000 Message-ID: <3C30B001.11964B6E@attbi.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:35:45 -0600 From: "Derric Scalf" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Chicago Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. I just wanted to thank Scott D. for putting together an awesome shred. As always, it was fun to see the CIC tearing it up - Tim's swirling and fairy stuff made my knees hurt, James really can hit anything, and Eric's fairy atomic set is crazy. And if it has a whirl in it, Scott can hit it. Boo yeah. I had a lot of things that I wanted to post, but after hearing Jon Nagela's war cry, I forgot them all... Thanks for a good time, and it was good to finally put some faces to these names I've been seeing on the list for so long. Mike Wilson bags were all over the place. You can get more info on them at http://www.1freespace.com/mwil/bags.html. Thanks again for the good times, and I hope to see everyone in Colorado in a couple of months. And... on a more personal note, I need to welcome back my vortex - it has been gone too long. Later. -Derric DFC (yes, the website will be back soon) From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 2 20:20:52 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA09247 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:20:52 -0800 Received: from web20708.mail.yahoo.com (web20708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.181]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id PAA01429 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:58:46 -0800 Message-ID: <20020102235846.28059.qmail@web20708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.97.92.68] by web20708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:58:46 PST Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:58:46 -0800 (PST) From: john kingi Subject: [freestyle] Inconsistency To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. Since I started playing footbag (about two years now) I've discovered there are little "secrets" you learn to help improve your string lengths and help hit bigger moves, I guess I mean the basic principles like the height of your set and staying straight instead of bending to far over ect. My problem is that recently I had a short break from kicking and now that I'm back at it again I seem to be so inconsistent its killing my game.I can't seem to remember the basic principles and find myself not being able to hit the most basic moves either on there own or in a string. This is killing my love for the game so I've no idea what to do. Anybody got any tips or ideas on what might help? Cheers. Peace. Johnny (Freestyle warrior) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jan 4 06:55:27 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25151 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:55:27 -0800 Received: from web12508.mail.yahoo.com (web12508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.200]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id PAA06690 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:38:54 -0800 Message-ID: <20011228233854.91649.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.50.30.6] by web12508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:38:54 PST Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:38:54 -0800 (PST) From: Hans Freller Subject: [freestyle] swirl "vs" symposium? To: Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org all this mumbo jumbo about being able to have a questionable move (symposium swirl) just for the sake of an extra "ADD". i haven't been kicking long but i fully understand the freestyle system and with a move like swirl you might as well say that a flying clipper (jester in NZ) is symposium. i would like to encourage all those who have been in the game for some years to add to this whole "when a move can and can't be symposium" issue, as it will off set all the new players. peace hanz See all at the worlds for 2002 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jan 4 06:58:30 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25213 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:58:30 -0800 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA03140 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:07:09 -0800 From: "Matthew Cross" Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id z.150.6afe466 (24896) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:06:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <150.6afe466.29663e0f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:06:55 EST Subject: [freestyle] Does Frantic set get a symposium body add? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey 'Stylers, The subject says it all... I've been hitting yoda and pixie stepping same butterfly, and it seems to me that the second half of the set, the quantum part, is symposium, because the other leg is just beginning the pixie set. It sure FEELS symposium... Thoughts? Matthew Cross Rochester Footbag Association Rochester, NY From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jan 4 06:59:35 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25228 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:59:35 -0800 Received: from tdds.assa.wroc.pl (tdds.assa.wroc.pl [156.17.219.1]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA17989 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:20:38 -0800 Received: from k5 (k-5.assa.wroc.pl [156.17.219.6]) by tdds.assa.wroc.pl (8.11.6/8.11.4) with SMTP id g03CKc225507 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:20:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ash@tdds.assa.wroc.pl) Message-ID: <000d01c19450$ff3b85b0$06db119c@k5> From: Antek Szczeniowski To: Subject: [freestyle] 5add trick what is the name? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:20:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have question about some new trick.My friend from club make some kinde of move pixie dyno or duble pixie osis it looks like toe>same in dex>same in dex>(body)spin>same clip(xbd,del) is it new trick or some one make it also ? Antek Szczeniowski From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jan 4 07:00:38 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA25255 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:00:38 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f234.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.234]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA09676 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:22:55 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:11:50 -0800 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 02:11:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] pogo Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:11:50 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 02:11:50.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BEFAB80:01C194C5] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, i find it very hard to believe that a pogo paradox dada doesn't get at least one symposium dexterity, the first symposium sure is in the fashion of a symp whirl, without the hop back, making it appreciably easier, the second however is very much symposium, as symposium as a symposium butterfly you might say, the dexterity of course is all very dubious, my first seven add move still eludes me i think i'll have to settle for something else.....maybe a duck, hmmm Cheers ears jono _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jan 4 08:37:32 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA28088 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:37:32 -0800 Received: from pilot17.cl.msu.edu (pilot17.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.37]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA27725 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:22:54 -0800 Received: from wks4lan (pm391-38.dialip.mich.net [35.9.12.240]) by pilot17.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g04GMmg38450 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:22:49 -0500 From: "Adam Keith" To: Subject: RE: [freestyle] Does Frantic set get a symposium body add? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:30:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <150.6afe466.29663e0f@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It would get a symposium add if after doing the second dex the foot that does the pixie has not touched the ground, otherwise if the setting foot does touch while the second dex is being performed it is not symposium, just a move performed mostly while airborne. If you're hitting a symposium frantic set, that's sick!!! Adam Keith Hey 'Stylers, The subject says it all... I've been hitting yoda and pixie stepping same butterfly, and it seems to me that the second half of the set, the quantum part, is symposium, because the other leg is just beginning the pixie set. It sure FEELS symposium... Thoughts? Matthew Cross Rochester Footbag Association Rochester, NY From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jan 4 15:10:26 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA06080 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:10:26 -0800 Received: from web20901.mail.yahoo.com (web20901.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.223]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA31050 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:43:02 -0800 Message-ID: <20020104184302.41040.qmail@web20901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.108.215.75] by web20901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:43:02 PST Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:43:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Nodi Subject: [freestyle] stretches To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm learning why I am not so good with certain parts of footbag. It's because of my stretching lack. I started stretching my ankle (which is what I want to do) by putting the outside of my foot on the ground and applying pressure for 30 seconds. This didnt help me at all. Someone please tell me a better way to stretch. I need to be able to make my ancle go 90 degrees inside. thanks Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jan 4 15:12:42 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA06176 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:12:42 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f25.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.25]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA31347 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:50:59 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:50:58 -0800 Received: from 161.184.29.46 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:50:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.29.46] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] pogo Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:50:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 18:50:58.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFB55960:01C19550] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just thought I'd recap. Symposium Stepping(Pogo) doesn't exist because you don't have to put very much strength into the hop. If executed well, you barely have to hop at all with a pogo set. This is because only half the dexterity is completed, and half a dexterity is very easy to not plant on. Either way, the consensus has been the same for a very long time. Pogo is not symposium, it is however unique. Symposium butterfly doesn't exist either, unless done perfectly. Again, the dex is a half a dex, making it very easy to perform the move symposium. In order for a butterfly to be symposium, it has to be an entirely different move. A reverse whirl. With a reverse whirl your leg revolves around the bag completely, making it possible for symposium, and paradox. A dada curve isn't symposium because usually it's done with a butterfly. It is possible however to hit it with a reverse whirl, but it's so hard to tell the difference in routine play, that hardly anyone does the move this way. I know the move seems robbed of adds when compared to a move like blurry ripwalk, the same move without hops, but give blurry ripwalk a try... Blurry ripwalk is hard because of the need to whip your legs around with expert speed. Pogo P Dada is hard because you have to hop, but your legs get a bit of a rest by bypassing some plants that slow you down in the long run. Both moves are unique to each other, so more power to anyone who's hitting either of these moves, and hey, if it makes you feel better, give the move two symposium adds! Just don't expect to score these adds in routine play. That's just the way the game is played. I like it that way, and most others do, so it'll probably stay that way for a while. Just my 2 cents, Dylan >From: "jono heyes" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] pogo >Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:11:50 +1300 > >Hello all, i find it very hard to believe that a pogo paradox dada doesn't >get at least one symposium dexterity, the first symposium sure is in the >fashion of a symp whirl, without the hop back, making it appreciably >easier, >the second however is very much symposium, as symposium as a symposium >butterfly you might say, the dexterity of course is all very dubious, my >first seven add move still eludes me >i think i'll have to settle for something else.....maybe a duck, hmmm >Cheers ears jono > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jan 5 07:06:07 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA31252 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:06:07 -0800 Received: from mail2.pvt.net (mail2.pvt.net [194.149.101.165]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA07433 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:51:00 -0800 Received: from footbag-comp (phvD205.nextra.cz [213.210.135.205]) by mail2.pvt.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BA99F1E3160 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:47:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801c1957a$2277a660$cd87d2d5@footbag-comp> From: "Jan Struz" To: Subject: [freestyle] Adidas Lavermillenium II Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:47:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does anyone know how are these shoes? they have them here: http://www.thestore.adidas.com/ and they seem very nice thnx Jan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jan 5 07:07:41 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA31284 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:07:41 -0800 Received: from web20510.mail.yahoo.com (web20510.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.145]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA10819 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:22:40 -0800 Message-ID: <20020105012239.95265.qmail@web20510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.201.215.78] by web20510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 17:22:39 PST Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:22:39 -0800 (PST) From: Caleb Abraham Subject: [freestyle] symposium To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ok, i never really had a lot of thoughts on these symposium arguments. i just thought that one jump with that dexing/jumping foot back on the ground equals one symposium, end of story. but everytime i check my mail there's at least 4 questions or comments about symposium moves. so i propose this: either the old talk about redueing the add system comes into play. or we could put a new part to the freestyle section of footbag.org. where there are a few questions about the latest hot topics, and everyone willing to, can vote. then after a few days the votes will be tallied and that could be the decider. i dunno, it's just a thought, because simply discussing it through emails won't accomplish much. sorry to make your life that much harder steve, but i thought it'd help. any thoughts? Live to Shred, Shred to Live Caleb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jan 5 07:09:13 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA31328 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:09:13 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f259.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.134]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA18340 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:58:23 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:58:22 -0800 Received: from 210.50.30.4 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 05:58:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.50.30.4] From: "Hanz Freller" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Change of Address Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 05:58:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2002 05:58:22.0849 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBBDDF10:01C195AD] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup to all my freestyling friends from far beyond, just thought I'd let you all know that I'm now living in Sydney, Ozzy. So if your passing through or hanging round in the Big Pixie Drifter (smoke) I'll be more than willing to hook up for a kick. Well let me know if you are going to be in town. See you all at the Worlds for 2002. Peace to you all Hanz _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jan 5 17:40:00 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA05969 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:40:00 -0800 Received: from web11608.mail.yahoo.com (web11608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.60]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA02347 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:13:21 -0800 Message-ID: <20020105171321.11061.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [172.181.163.191] by web11608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 09:13:21 PST Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:13:21 -0800 (PST) From: Ellis Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Does Frantic set get a To: freestyle@list.footbag.org In-Reply-To: <200201042326.PAA06682@llic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org List, From: "Matthew Cross" ...The subject says it all... I've been hitting yoda and pixie stepping same butterfly,... Well, the Frantic set can be done SMP, but it's not by default. You can do E-Walk and Frenzy symposium style, but it's a little harder. For example, to do an E-Walk symposium, you wouldn't plant the set foot until after you dex the bag on the Butterfly ending. For clarification, Yoda is disected and E-Walk is an arial set. Similar but different. Matt, hit it Flipside yet? Bust it! Ellis Piltz Flipsider.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jan 5 17:41:38 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA06041 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:41:38 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f273.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.148]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA04180 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:28:26 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:28:26 -0800 Received: from 24.64.223.204 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:28:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.64.223.204] From: Jubal Hume To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium VOTE ON IT ALL Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 10:28:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2002 18:28:26.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[C41AEB70:01C19616] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Caleb Abraham the vote idea rocks..... I SO AGREE....let it be all voted on!!!everyone who is at the open level can cast a vote on the more difficult to understand issues...and every player gets a vote on the rest.... then we can use the list for discussion about comps , promotions, events, videos, and all the stuff that it should be for..as well as new moves and concepts too... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jan 5 17:42:45 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA06095 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:42:45 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f219.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.219]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA08593 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:49:18 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:37:53 -0800 Received: from 128.214.157.163 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 21:37:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.214.157.163] From: "Samuli Viitanen" To: freestyle@footbag.org, dvswonderboy@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] stretches Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 21:37:53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2002 21:37:53.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B3816A0:01C19631] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi folks and happy new year to everyone! Mike Nodi wrote: >I'm learning why I am not so good with certain >parts of footbag. >It's because of my stretching lack. I started stretching >my ankle (which is what I want to do) by putting the outside of my foot >on the ground and applying pressure for 30 seconds. This didnt help me >at all. Someone please tell me a better way to stretch. I need to be >able to make my ancle go 90 degrees inside. I'd like to comment on this stretching issue. First of all, when stretching, be very careful on what you are doing! If you try to stretch your ankle (or any other part of your body to try to make your game better) by force you may damage your ankle (or some other part) very seriously. I personally hate this specific stretch for ankles (because it can really do harm to your ankles) and don't much recommend it anyone (just my opinion...). And secondly, you don't have to have 90-degrees-bending ankles to play freestyle well, (on my opinion) it's more about having learned the technique well enough to perform moves. Your ankles will start to bend just by playing and the muscle memory in your feet will develope during practice and you will gain flexibility to your ankles when skoolin' some stalls. A good way to increase the flexibility in your ankles is to do a LOT inside stalls. Quite boring but they help definitely:) Go easy when stretching, it takes a lot time to gain flexibility. Stretch a lot (before and after playing) and stretch with versatility, don't just focus on one specific thing (like just on the ankles). And perhaps constult a physical therapist on how to stretch and how to do it right. Just my two Euros, or cents... what ever:) (the new currency is driving me mad!! :) -Samuli Viitanen, Team Finland _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jan 6 14:38:18 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA30570 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:38:18 -0800 Received: from web11406.mail.yahoo.com (web11406.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.236]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id UAA10885 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:56:50 -0800 Message-ID: <20020106045650.44463.qmail@web11406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.73.250.22] by web11406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 20:56:50 PST Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:56:50 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Jubal Hume wrote: > I SO AGREE....let it be all voted on!!!everyone who > is at the open level can > cast a vote on the more difficult to understand > issues There isn't anything hard to understand about symposium. A ton of newbies are getting all confused. Dyno and blender cannot be symposium. Moves where you fake like you're symposiuming are NOT symposium either. Example of symposium... 1) right leg is hanging out in the air while left leg is on the ground 2) right leg never touches ground while left leg jumps up and dexs the footbag that I forgot to mention is in the air 3) right leg now catches the bag while left leg catches you It's that friggin simple!!! Notice "right leg" NEVER contacts the ground during the symposium part of the move. That's what sympsoium IS! Someone also mentioned that pixie quantum set "sure feels symposium". NO! Symposium mirage, symposium eggbeater, and symposium whirl are a few moves that feel symposium. Pixie quantum set feels nothing like symposium. Even if you do it symposium, it would just be toe pogo, and I don't believe symposium sets should be considered symposium(I could be alone on that thought). If you still don't understand, read up on it. Look at footbag.org or buy tricks of the trade or somthing. Later, James Risden __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jan 6 14:39:49 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA30607 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:39:49 -0800 Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA22651 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:58:42 -0800 From: Orbspiders@aol.com Received: from "David Sanchez" by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id z.115.a7f4106 (15886) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from web48.aolmail.aol.com (web48.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.9]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-0106115827; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 11:58:27 -0500 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 11:58:27 EST Subject: [freestyle] Chilly review To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <115.a7f4106.2969dc33@aol.com> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, The Chilly Philly was a success for sure. Philly Footworks would like to formally thank everyone in attendance(there were many more than I expected!). Hopefully this type of event will be indicative of the type of footbag year this is going to be. Kenny was busting crazy things like double spinning whirl(to a nice long string) and other eye splitting moves, Jon S. was twisting and contorting like no one else with his dragon style, Peter graced the crowd with his buddah like fluidity and grace while Gordon Bevier busted insanity after insanity with moves like atomic ducking mirage and countless other fantastic feets:) but the BAPpers weren't the only ones busting out nice moves. There were so many people that I had never seen before that could bust out some pretty nice moves. Some that I didn't even get to catch their names(surprisingly that is how many people made it!) but I did watch the whole room for a while and definitely liked what I saw. Lots of younger kids with an urgency to play and hopefully will all stick with it. Definitely props to Jake, the fellow that spent like $200 dollars in public transportation(and probably many hours) just to get to the Jam. We truly appreciate your making the effort. Sorry for the wordy review but I had a rather great time. I hope that maybe Bob or Kenny can fill you in on the end since I had to leave about an hour or two before everyone else. Keep shredding, David Sanchez From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jan 10 10:32:28 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14050 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:32:28 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f303.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.178]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA04038 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:22:48 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:22:44 -0800 Received: from 24.64.223.204 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:22:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.64.223.204] From: Jubal Hume To: strup@pha.pvtnet.cz, freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Adidas Lavermillenium II Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 10:22:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2002 18:22:44.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[F81B41A0:01C19615] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Does anyone know how are these shoes? > WWW.footbagvideo.com [my shameless website plug] :) Well I have not played in them...but it looks to me like they have the same prob as the older millenniums...the instep [arch] is rounded so there is a smaller inside stalling area... I personally still 100% prefer the originals!!!!!The BRicks as some fondly call them...also...the originals last me 2-3 years...I have seen the Millenniums burn out in two-4 months...hmmmm...30% less weight...in exchange for 2+ years of wear?...doesn't seem to be a good trade... besides...if they weigh more they will make you stronger...and this is good..is it not?... Jubal Hume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jan 10 10:33:34 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14102 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:33:34 -0800 Received: from pd4mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-13.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.13]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA12620 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:47:01 -0800 Received: from pd4mr1so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.141.212]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GPK00IQ5B63QK@l-daemon> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 02:46:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml7so (pn2ml7so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.151]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GPK00F52B63W3@l-daemon> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 02:46:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from f1j8c2 ([24.67.167.96]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with SMTP id <0GPK00JEZB62NO@l-daemon> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 02:46:51 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 01:52:55 -0800 From: Jeff Lopes Subject: [freestyle] Shoe preference To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <000d01c19761$14b654c0$60a74318@ok.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list, Ive been out for a month with a serious hip injury, but Im slowly getting back into it now and was wondering what people prefer when it comes to tying their freestyle shoes. Not the style, the tightness. See, I like my shoes super loose, but I find pixies and fairy's easier if I tie my shoes tight, but spinning moves are easier when my shoes are loose.....its weird. Anyway, shred hard Jeff Lopes From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jan 10 10:34:31 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14180 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:34:31 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f79.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.79]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA22701 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:35:12 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:35:08 -0800 Received: from 161.184.27.83 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:35:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.27.83] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 10:35:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2002 17:35:08.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6EAA950:01C197A1] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Pixie quantum set feels nothing like >symposium. Even if you do it symposium, it would just >be toe pogo, and I don't believe symposium sets should >be considered symposium Sorry, I gotta disagree! If you ask several people, they'll tell you that symposium quantum is entirely possible. It's hard, and that's precisely why it's being tried all over the place. In order for something to be symposium, you just have to complete a full dex with one leg, with no support from the other leg. Symposium quantum follows all these rules, it's just harder cuz you have to set the bag. If you can do it, you're good at footbag, you're not breaking any rules or sidestepping the add system, or whatever you want to call it, you're pushing yourself to the limit, which is the main reason for footbag. Also, what exactly is Toe Pogo? Pogo is another word for a hopping Step-set. It doesn't get an add because it's a half-dex and it's easier to do than a full hopping dex (I say hopping because it's not symposium sometimes and I don't want to confuse anybody). As was said in my last symposium post, it's fully possible to make a pogo set symposium, just look at clipper-set symp. mirage. But I don't want to get into that now. The frantic set, when done normally (Pixie, jump into quantum, land on setting foot), is not symposium, because the second leg lands after the first, but backside symposium frantic (Pixie, jump into quantum, land on initial support foot), is very obviously symposium. If you can't recognize the symposiumness of it, you should read the FAQ Symposium section of footbag.org. The symposium leg completes a full dexterity (Totally unlike pogo), which makes it full symposium, which merits a bod add. Though it's amazingly hard, it's also possible to do the frantic set frontside symposium. Props to anyone hitting this already! (Toe Set-Plant, lift other leg-Symp. Pixie-quantum-plant pixie leg) Wow. Ok! I hope this deals with the symposium Frantic thread. On another note, I really dig the idea of voting on some of the more complicated subjects in footbag, like this symposium BS, judging changes, add modification, paradox discussions, X-dex, etc. It's a really good idea and I think someone should step up and start it up. I'm a computer dummy, but I've seen some people set up polls before, so I know it's not too hard. This is quite important if you ask me. All this e-mail discussion gets ideas out of the bag, but then we all seem to stare and say, "Hey, look at what came out of that bag!", then forget about it. We should vote on lots of stuff like Sam's rule system(Still a damn good idea if you ask me), situations where butterfly is symposium, differences between pogo and symposium quantum, we could even vote after each big tournament on who we think should win! (Maybe...). Either way, we should do something. Don't do it for me, do it for the footbags. Dylan -All we are saaayiiiing Is give feet a chance _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jan 10 10:35:41 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14233 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:35:41 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f165.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.165]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA03546 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:53:32 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:42:16 -0800 Received: from 161.184.29.141 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 00:42:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.29.141] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] List of footbag moves Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:42:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 00:42:16.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[525FC820:01C197DD] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Stylaz! Some of you might have heard I have a pretty complete list of footbag moves that I've been compiling for a while now. Now, I don't know a thing about webpages or servers or any of that junk, so I was wondering if anyone out there would like to help me get my list out there for perusal by the kicking public(Steve?). I've got 26 pages of freestyle moves and move tips, and though it's constantly growing and it's still under construction, I think it's worth showing people now. Anyone who wants feedback just email me and I can also send a personal E-mail with the list attached. I just can't send the list to the list, if you get my drifter. All this netscape server web firewall stuff is driving me Zululeloupy! Oh, and I FINALLY hit symposium whirl! Wooo! Peace all, Dylan Livingston _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jan 10 10:38:07 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14316 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:38:07 -0800 Received: from mx1.port.ru (mx1.port.ru [194.67.57.11]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA06919 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:49:18 -0800 Received: from f10.int ([10.0.0.78] helo=f10.mail.ru) by mx1.port.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #1) id 16NmK5-0002Vi-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 05:49:09 +0300 Received: from mail by f10.mail.ru with local (Exim 3.14 #1) id 16NmK3-0000SJ-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 05:49:07 +0300 Received: from [64.231.168.195] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:49:07 +0900 From: "Tony Zverev" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] What's up with Toronto? Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [64.231.168.195] Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:49:07 +0900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sorry kickers, it's me again. Anybody who lives not far from toronto area, please give me a shouton my email droppless@hotmail.com It is very hard to shred with only one fella... it is also hard to find a gym here, so we, i hope, will think out something together. I know that there are more kickers, but i don't know what's up with em. I also know that there is a Toronto Footbag Club in my city, and i don't know anyone of it's members, although it consists of 10 players or something. So. anybody in Toronto give me a shout. Except Luke. Thank you, Tony Zverev From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jan 10 10:39:14 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14371 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:39:14 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f71.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.71]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA30140 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:17:18 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:17:18 -0800 Received: from 161.184.29.249 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:17:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.29.249] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Who's hit what 2 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:17:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 19:17:18.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[16C63DC0:01C19879] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. Just wondering if any of you crazy peeps have hit any of this stuff. Some of it's stuff I've heard of but can't verify, but most are just ideas I've had. The names I've given are just suggestions, I haven't hit any of this stuff, I don't know if anyone has. Barroque Screw (Clip-Op In-Same In-Fspin-Op Out-Same Clip) Gyro Barrage Gyro HP Drifter Gyro Pdx Barrage Triple Pixie (Trixie?) Pdx Blurry Drifter Anything Barraging Ducking Gyro Ripwalk Toe Fog (Quantum DLO) Quantum Legbeater Surging Ducking Pdx Torque (Clip-Bspin-Same In-Duck-Op In-Fspin-Op Clip) Paradox Big Apple (Windy City?) Blurry Symposium Whirling Swirl Blurry Blurry Anything Janicane (Tsunami?) (Clip-Bspin-Same In-Same In-Op Out-Op Clip) Swerving anything (Diving Op Side) Weaving Double Down (Down Weaver) Weaving Dyno Weaving Drifter Toe Flurry Toe Fury Double spinning Mirage Pdx Miraging Symposium Torque (Toxic Waste?) Pdx Barroque Spin Pdx Miraging Symposium Torque (Bigger Apple?) (Clip-Bspin-Op In-No plant while op in-Fspin-Op Clip) Not sure if big apple sauce is this or surging ps torque. Gyro Fury (Ya right!) Ok, good luck with this stuff. A lot of it has apparently been hit before, so anyone who's quite modest and forgets hitting that Gyro Fury... Ya right! Take it easy folks! PS:Props to all folks who have told me about their Blurroque attempts, but I must say, be very careful with this move. It can hurt if you mess up halfway through, so far no casualties, but I tried it yesterday, and it's painful. I didn't even come close. Keep on tryin' tho! Dylan "Doctor" Livingston _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jan 10 10:41:13 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA14454 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:41:13 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA13947 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:27:16 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GPQ02Y01J91FX@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GPQ02XLFJ914P@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:27:01 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:10:22 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] pogo To: freestyle Message-id: <3C36B278@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From jono heyes ===== >Hello all, i find it very hard to believe that a pogo paradox dada doesn't >get at least one symposium dexterity, >as symposium as a symposium >butterfly you might say The key words being "as symposium as a symposium butterfly". While I agree that doing a butterfly in some manner of symposiumness is a bit different than a regular butterfly, it is just not symposium. Dada is a great move that gets two dexes, a x-body, and a delay add. That's 4. When it's paradox it's 5. The best way to compare it for those who think it deserves yet another add for symposium is to consider Drifters. From a toe set or when done paradox, Drifter is far more difficult than Dada and gets one less add. So no need adding a symposium add where it's not fully deserved. Later, Brad "the Defribrillator" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jan 10 11:40:08 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA16458 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:40:08 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14547 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:43:06 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GPQ02Z01JZUIE@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:43:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GPQ02ZCOJZU2F@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:43:06 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:26:27 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] symposium To: freestyle Message-id: <3C36B46F@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From James Risden ===== >Pixie quantum set feels nothing like >symposium. Even if you do it symposium, it would just >be toe pogo, and I don't believe symposium sets should >be considered symposium(I could be alone on that >thought). I'm glad that James agrees on many things that can or can't be symposium, but I think I have to correct him on the last bit he wrote. Pixie Quantum can be symposium if done like this. toe set> same in> same (no plant)> op in> same plant In other words the second dex leg has to plant before the first. Later, Brad "The Defraculator" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jan 10 11:41:03 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA16523 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:41:03 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA14912 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:55:25 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GPQ03001KK4EX@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:55:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GPQ03044KK49O@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:55:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:38:37 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Adidas Lavermillenium II To: freestyle Message-id: <3C36B681@webmail.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Jubal Hume ===== >Well I have not played in them...but it looks to me like they have the same >prob as the older millenniums I haven't played in them either...YET, but I've heard that they have even more support than the older milleniums and weigh about the same. >I personally still 100% prefer the originals!!!!!The BRicks as some fondly >call them...also...the originals last me 2-3 years...I have seen the >Millenniums burn out in two-4 months I've had my Milleniums for almost two years and they haven't burned out yet. The Originals or "The Bricks" as they WERE called are no longer so. Since they started being made in China last year they are now lighter than the true Originals. My personal preference and recommendation would be to use the Chinese Lavers, but if you are of larger build and need the added support I would say to use the Milleniums. Later, "Baliwhip" Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jan 11 07:19:55 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA15503 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:19:55 -0800 Received: from web11408.mail.yahoo.com (web11408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.238]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA18853 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:46:15 -0800 Message-ID: <20020110204615.9936.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.73.250.22] by web11408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:46:15 PST Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:46:15 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Dylan Livingston wrote: > Sorry, I gotta disagree! If you ask several people, > they'll tell you that > symposium quantum is entirely possible. It's hard, > and that's precisely why > it's being tried all over the place. In order for > something to be > symposium, you just have to complete a full dex with > one leg, with no > support from the other leg. Oh my lawd! I know what friggn symposium is. > Symposium quantum > follows all these rules, So does clipper set symposium stepping set. Noone considers it symposium though cause it's a symposium SET, which is easier to do than symposium on the way down. To break it down, it's weak so it doesn't get an add. That's all I was saying when I stated that I don't believe symposium sets should get a symposium add. If you like the move, do it. It's still looks cool. Later, James Risden __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jan 11 07:20:43 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA15540 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:20:43 -0800 Received: from bergman.umail.ucsb.edu (bergman.umail.ucsb.edu [128.111.151.203]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA24358 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:19:55 -0800 Received: from http by bergman.umail.ucsb.edu with local (Exim 3.16 #3) id 16OoU1-0005ua-00 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:19:41 -0800 To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: [Freestyle] Adidas Lavermillenium II Message-ID: <1010704781.3c3e218d621bc@secureweb.umail.ucsb.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:19:41 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremy Mirken MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.0 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org To whomever this may concern, AS opposed to Jubal's perspective on Laver Millennium II shoes, that "the Millenniums burn out in two-4 months...hmmmm...30% less weight...in exchange for 2+ years of wear?...doesn't seem to be a good trade...," I shall offer my thoughts: Millenniums are great. I've had mine for three months now, and there are still no signs of wear (this coming from a shredder who constantly wears thin the anterior area on the sole of the old lavers and china lavers). They seem to be durable; they are very light, allowing for quicker dexes, althought they seem to be slightly more bulky. It takes only a week to get used to the new feel of the millenniums (primrily one needs more knee bend for x-body moves)and they'll sure save your shins, feet, and ankles from unneccessary laver torture. C'mon, with shredders like chad, ahren, richie, and sunil wearing millenniums, they can't be too bad, eh? Just my persrective, Jeremy "Senor Grommet" Mirken From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jan 12 09:55:13 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28373 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:55:13 -0800 Received: from web20108.mail.yahoo.com (web20108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.45]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA17854 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:30:48 -0800 Message-ID: <20020111163047.48895.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.73.250.22] by web20108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:30:47 PST Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:30:47 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Reile Subject: [freestyle] Re: [Freestyle] Adidas Lavermillenium II To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <1010704781.3c3e218d621bc@secureweb.umail.ucsb.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Jeremy Mirken wrote: > I shall offer my thoughts: Millenniums are great. > I've had mine for three months now, and there are > still no signs of wear (this coming from a shredder > who constantly wears thin the anterior area on the > sole of the old lavers and china lavers). They seem > to be durable; they are very light, allowing for > quicker dexes, althought they seem to be slightly > more bulky. Word, I totally agree. I have had my milleniums (the first and only lavers I ever bought) since spring of 2000. That's getting close to 2 years now, and they still serve me well. The only visible wear on them, other than a thick layer of dirt, is a few minor holes on the outside surface of one of them. And due to my very limited funds, these shoes are not only my kicking shoes, but the ones i wear everywear. So they have been on my feet everyday for almost years. Not bad for a shoe projected to last only 2-4 months. Peace, Eric Reile Chicago Inner Circle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jan 12 09:59:11 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28463 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:59:11 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f110.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.110]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA21656 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:31:01 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:30:57 -0800 Received: from 161.184.29.134 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:30:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.29.134] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] List of footbag moves Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:30:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2002 18:30:57.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CA8F5A0:01C19ACE] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, Thanks a lot to everyone who is working to get my move-list out there. I've had a couple complaints, mainly because I neglected to mention which program I used to write the list. To all who have been unsuccessful in opening the list, and to all who have nasty tabs all over the place, I wrote the list in Microsoft Works (.WPS). If you open the file in MS works, it should look a lot cleaner than if you open it in Wordpad or Notepad. I don't know if it will open in Wordperfect or not. Sorry if some of you don't have MS Works, but from what I'm told, the list will open in Notepad, but my notepad didn't have enough memory to open it. MS Works is mandatory in most computers anyway tho. On a second note, anyone who has recieved my list and would like it to be updated on a bi-weekly basis MUST let me know through e-mail. I don't want to annoy people by sending them big e-mail files every 2 weeks when they don't want me to, but I also don't want people to have the same old version of my list for months if they're hosting it on a website or even for personal use. 1st update will be a week next Thursday. Thanks again everybody! Dylan Livingston _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jan 12 10:00:50 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA28519 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:00:50 -0800 Received: from pilot23.cl.msu.edu (pilot23.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.43]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA23267 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:14:45 -0800 Received: from wks4lan (pm531-27.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.29]) by pilot23.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0BJEdW49734 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:14:39 -0500 From: "Adam Keith" To: Subject: RE: [freestyle] symposium Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:21:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20020110204615.9936.qmail@web11408.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Actually I think it doesn't get the symposium add for the same reason symposium butterfly does not get a symposium add, because it is cheap (only a half dex), not because it is a set (notice they happen to be rewinds of each other). Saying that symposium quantum and symposium atomic sets should not get symposium adds is like saying symposium mirage and flail should not get symposium adds either because they are also rewinds of each other (and personally I think symposium atomic set is much harder than symposium mirages, as is symposium quantum to flail). If moves did not get a symposium add on the set then there would also be no symposium whriling swirl and such. Adam Keith James Risden wrote: >So does clipper set symposium stepping set. Noone >considers it symposium though cause it's a symposium >SET, which is easier to do than symposium on the way >down. To break it down, it's weak so it doesn't get >an add. That's all I was saying when I stated that I >don't believe symposium sets should get a symposium >add. If you like the move, do it. It's still looks >cool. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jan 12 15:43:30 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA08998 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:43:30 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f30.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.30]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA08889 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:38:52 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:38:44 -0800 Received: from 24.148.17.243 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:38:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.148.17.243] From: "Alex Ibardaloza" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Black Lavers Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:38:43 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2002 23:38:44.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[45E34ED0:01C19BC2] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org W'sup, I just saw a pair of black Rod Lavers in an Easbay catalog. I was just wondering if any one else has seen them or is shredding in them. The brief description in the picture simply says: Perforated full-grain leather upper, Polyurethane midsole/outsole. $64.99 :( You can go to www.eastbay.com to view it. On the left side of the homepage type the product number:675115. Laterz, Zeke Chicago Inner Circle _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jan 13 11:53:14 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA06022 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:53:14 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f48.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.48]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA25176 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:04:32 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:04:31 -0800 Received: from 216.161.89.168 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:04:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.161.89.168] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Problems with Job's Notation Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:04:31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2002 09:04:31.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[504E7260:01C19C11] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi List, Have you ever had trouble describing a move in Job's? If so please tell me what it was and why. I had some ideas about improving Job's (specifically to clear up confusion about where a dex is performed), but before I make any kind of proposal I thought I'd better get a better idea about what people are having trouble with. Please respond directly to me and thanks in advance for your time. -Andrew _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jan 13 11:52:12 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA05990 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:52:12 -0800 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA11179 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:52:46 -0800 From: "Matt Cross" Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id i.193.fb1df6 (4398); Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:52:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <193.fb1df6.29723449@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:52:25 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Black Lavers To: airzeke@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey 'Stylers, In a message dated 1/12/02 6:45:37 PM, airzeke@hotmail.com writes: > just saw a pair of black Rod Lavers in an Easbay catalog. I was just >wondering if any one else has seen them or is shredding in them. >The brief description in the picture simply says: Perforated full-grain > >leather upper, Polyurethane midsole/outsole. $64.99 Black Lavers = Cool. Really cool. Leather Upper = Bad for freestyle. No sensitivity, no grippiness, and, I'd assume, heavier than mesh. If you want black lavers, get a magic marker ;) 'Nuff said? 'Nuff said. Matt Cross Rochester Footbag Association Rochester, NY From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jan 15 11:38:21 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA32517 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:38:21 -0800 Received: from web20503.mail.yahoo.com (web20503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.138]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id NAA28129 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:18:04 -0800 Message-ID: <20020113211804.16733.qmail@web20503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.226.142.63] by web20503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:18:04 PST Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:18:04 -0800 (PST) From: Caleb Abraham Subject: [freestyle] high five To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey stylas, i just hit my first 5 add move! woohoo!!! i was wondering what it was called and if anyone else has hit it. i guess it would be a surging same osis. i dunno, here come the jobs: clip>spin (back)>same in>spin (back)>same clip hmm, i am not too sure about the spin directions. it'd just be like a mobius except the osis is with the other foot. by the way, if i did manage to hit mobius surging style, would it be a crispy mobius? or am i hitting something else all together? Live to Shred, Shred to Live Caleb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jan 15 11:39:24 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA32578 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:39:24 -0800 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA13361 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:09:39 -0800 From: "Tony Glick" Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id z.be.20ed6619 (15859) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from web34.aolmail.aol.com (web34.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.10]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID510-0113190915; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:09:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:09:15 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Black Lavers To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Zeke wrote: "I just saw a pair of black Rod Lavers in an Easbay catalog. I was just wondering if any one else has seen them or is shredding in them. The brief description in the picture simply says: Perforated full-grain leather upper, Polyurethane midsole/outsole." I have a pair of black Lavers, but I painted them. I actually got the idea from Justin Sexton. First I used a big, thick black marker but that made them look purple. The solution to that problem was spray paint. I put one coat on and they looked great. I usually touch them up once a year with a coat. Just don't wear white socks because when you sweat your socks AND feet will turn black. So instead of dropping $65 on a new pair, just spend a few bucks on some spray paint! Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jan 15 11:40:37 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA32643 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:40:37 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.18]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA13328 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:15:13 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:03:16 -0800 Received: from 139.80.123.34 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:03:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.80.123.34] From: "jono heyes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Blurry barroque anyone? Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:03:16 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 21:03:16.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[E331A7E0:01C19D3E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, i'm just egotistically curious as to whether a blurry barroque, or anything into barroque has been hit. I'm getting very close to it, a weazels genitalia away from it you might say. Though i'm sure someone has beaten me or will beat me to this one, like Eli or maybe Ahren?? If not i'm thinking i'll call it the ' my name is jono look at me i'm so cool, ha ha ha', though 'techno bach', would perhaps be more in holding with the origins of the original name. agressive and condecending replies and any other forms of emotional catharsis most welcome, Jono( the rectomiser) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jan 15 11:42:26 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA00304 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:42:26 -0800 Received: from radius.uti.hu (ns.uti.hu [213.163.24.1]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14197 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:35:02 -0800 Received: from [213.163.25.44] (b-dial44.uti.hu [213.163.25.44]) by radius.uti.hu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0ELYuf18428 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:34:56 +0100 (MET) From: "Csallo Gergo" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Problems with Job's Notation To: !Freestyle List Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:34:30 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List, I read the argument about the "fail of the add system" in the near future :) I thought I'll give you a new idea, maybe not new, forgive me in this case. > "Have you ever had trouble describing a move in Job's? If so please tell me  > what it was and why." Oh yeah, lets just say PENDULUM, RAKE... and in some cases: OSIS Wouldnt it be easier to include an add category: SWING (or include it for BODY ADD Category) With this, some moves could be written in jobs, that were just explained with words so far. Seeya all on the Euros!!!! Gergo, the Rebelkid From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jan 15 11:43:40 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA00362 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:43:40 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f252.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.130]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA16409 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:49:25 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:49:21 -0800 Received: from 161.184.26.175 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:49:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.26.175] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Easiest five Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:49:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 22:49:21.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5057180:01C19D4D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list! I was wondering, in the humble opinion of each of you shredders, what's the easiest five add move? Cuz seriously, my first five add came yesterday, and I don't think it was supposed to be Mobius!! I hit Mobius from clipper and from toe on one side (Both sides from clipper). I've heard Paradox Torque or Blurry Whirl should come early, and that Mobius is one of the harder fives, but I'm useless at Blurry Whirl, and I've almost hit Ptorque, but not quite. Mobius feels good to me. It's almost as easy as something like symposium whirl. So, is there anyone who finds Mobius to be the easiest five, like me, or is everyone out there sane? Also, is anyone hitting Toe-mobius? I hit it clean but unsealed yesterday and I'm going to hit it today no sweat. I'd call it Toebius if noone's hitting it (Yeah, I know it's not unique). Some other easy fives that I've almost hit: Pdx Torque Symposium torque Ps whirl(Sooooooo close!!!) Spinning ducking osis (Spin then duck) Backside symposium Blur (Clipper blur) Ducking insp. Whirl (I think..) (Clip-Duck-spin-Same In-Op Clip) Swivel (Symposium Twirl, reverse swirl is Reversival) Twirling Reverse Swirl (I'm serious, I was very close to hitting this!) Anybody have other moves that are relatively easy fives (When compared to Bedwetter or Void?) Is Vertigo easier than Void? Tell me!! I must know all there is to know!!! Peace all, Dylan _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jan 15 12:12:50 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA01850 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:12:50 -0800 Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA01505 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:05:47 -0800 Received: from 24-205-34-189.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.com ([24.205.34.189] helo=sam) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QZq6-0005RU-00; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:05:46 -0800 Message-ID: <003e01c19dff$a36f82a0$bd22cd18@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Caleb Abraham" , References: <20020113211804.16733.qmail@web20503.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] high five Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:03:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Caleb Abraham" [S]hey stylas, [H] [R]i just hit my first 5 add move! woohoo!!! i was [E]wondering what it was called and if anyone else has [D]hit it. i guess it would be a surging same osis. i [*]dunno, here come the jobs: [O] [N]clip>spin (back)>same in>spin (back)>same clip That's so phat. One thing I've never seen Chad D.o is surging same side. Try surging same mirage. Surging same butterfly. Surging same barfly (surging same double over down?) Whoa. clip > backspin > same in > same out > same out > op clip Is that a surging same barfly or a surging same double over down. If you just look at which foot does the paradon style dex it is technically a barfly. As previously mentioned: is it a pixie same double switchover? Where's the switch? or is it pixie same double ATW? Surging is SO COOL. Chad think of a name for surging same side? Would it be a soda or would it be rotary?? hahah > by the way, if i did manage to hit mobius surging > style, would it be a crispy mobius? or am i hitting > something else all together? I'm gonna go with surging osis. So who hit surging ducking paradox torque? Was that you defender?? > Live to Shred, Shred to Live > Caleb Samuellis Colclough From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 16 20:30:02 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA28039 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:30:02 -0800 Received: from borg.ec.rockwell.com ([199.191.58.9]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA04033 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:00:50 -0800 From: "Dan Klokow" Received: from ecsmtp01.ec.rockwell.com (ecsmtp01.ec.rockwell.com [10.145.100.50]) by borg.ec.rockwell.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25017; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:00:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Easiest five To: "Dylan Livingston" Cc: freestyle@list.footbag.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:00:35 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ECSMTP01/EC/Rockwell(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 01/15/2002 02:58:38 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dylan L. wrote, 'I was wondering, in the humble opinion of each of you shredders, what's the easiest five add move?' Hey Dylan, All 5's are hard.. yet the move is only as hard as you decide to make it. Jus' work it. Personally, I still have trouble with osis. Toebius has been hit. Zeke Ibardaloza can nail that one. Although im not sure who or when its was named, if that name is even correct. I dont like to brag.. so i wont. See you all at CSS3 Dan Klokow Chicago Inner Circle From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 16 20:30:39 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA28074 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:30:39 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f141.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.141]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA06127 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:54:03 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:53:59 -0800 Received: from 161.184.26.157 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:53:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.26.157] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] high five Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:53:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2002 21:53:59.0528 (UTC) FILETIME=[23324680:01C19E0F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hmm.. Super sick man! If it was a true gyro blender that's extra sick, but I'm guessing it was more like surging same osis. Gyro blender style is a little iffy tho. Think about it. If you decide not to spin at all when you do a gyro blender, you'll just do a swirl. So the difference between swirl and gyroblender is the amount of spin applied to the move. If you barely shift your feet, you're technically hitting a three add, and not a five. But if you back spin, then backspin again after the dex, it's honest to goodness five material! Gotta watch those moves tho. I've actually set a move behind my back with a clipper, then did a Same in dex into a same osis (I think this is called infracting or something). It was totally blind and very cool, but I didn't move my support foot at all, so it wasn't gyroblender, it was infracting swirl or something. Surging same osis is sick stuff tho man, good show!! Dylan >From: Caleb Abraham >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] high five >Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:18:04 -0800 (PST) > >hey stylas, > >i just hit my first 5 add move! woohoo!!! i was >wondering what it was called and if anyone else has >hit it. i guess it would be a surging same osis. i >dunno, here come the jobs: > >clip>spin (back)>same in>spin (back)>same clip > >hmm, i am not too sure about the spin directions. >it'd just be like a mobius except the osis is with the >other foot. > >by the way, if i did manage to hit mobius surging >style, would it be a crispy mobius? or am i hitting >something else all together? > >Live to Shred, Shred to Live >Caleb > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 16 20:31:49 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA28104 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:31:49 -0800 Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA06524 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:08:08 -0800 Received: from 24-205-34-189.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.com ([24.205.34.189] helo=sam) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16QbkW-0007KT-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:08:08 -0800 Message-ID: <001401c19e10$ba660cc0$bd22cd18@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: Subject: [freestyle] CSS3 Room sharing? Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:05:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello fellow Lon-enthusiasts, Anyone want to share room at CSS3? I'm either looking for 3 other peoples who haven't got a room yet or 3 other people that need one more for their room. If you fit any category whatsoever please e-mail me privately. Sam Colclough From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 16 20:32:38 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA28134 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:32:38 -0800 Received: from radius.uti.hu (ns.uti.hu [213.163.24.1]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA09241 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:42:14 -0800 Received: from [213.163.25.118] (b-dial118.uti.hu [213.163.25.118]) by radius.uti.hu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0FNfjf21858 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:41:52 +0100 (MET) From: "Csallo Gergo" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Easiest five To: !Freestyle List Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:41:32 +0100 Lines: 16 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Hey list! Yeah, hi to all! >I was wondering, in the humble opinion of each of you shredders, what's the >easiest five add move? I think I also hit a 5 add: TOE > SAME IN > (no plant while) OP OUT > OP CLIP Kinda like a symposium dimwalk (or exactly, I dont know) That is easier then any other 5 add I guess :) See you all on the Euroes! Gergo From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 16 20:33:10 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA28168 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:33:10 -0800 Received: from mail23.bigmailbox.com (mail23.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.203]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA13268 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:57:37 -0800 Received: (from www@localhost) by mail23.bigmailbox.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g0G1vWC02523; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:57:32 -0800 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:57:32 -0800 Message-Id: <200201160157.g0G1vWC02523@mail23.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.194.213] From: "Nino Almazon" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Easiest five Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dylan wrote: >I was wondering, in the humble opinion of each of you shredders, what's the easiest five add move? I've only been kicking for about three years, and the easiest fives that have come to me are GYBAS(Grab Your Balls and Squeeze , is that the correct name for torque ending in dyno?) and Blurriest. I'm close to Paradox Torque and Ducking Symp. Reverse Whirl but I thought Blurriest would be real easy if you know stepping sets and Barflies real well as they are staple tricks. go eastcoast shred, ill nino ------------------------------------------------------------ YourName@CannabisMail.com for FREE ! http://www.CannabisMail.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 16 20:34:33 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA28231 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:34:33 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f125.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.125]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA14350 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:36:17 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:24:38 -0800 Received: from 24.4.252.10 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:24:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.4.252.10] From: "David Tomlinson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Sloe stall Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:24:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2002 02:24:38.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[F270A0C0:01C19E34] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey list, i was wondering what moves have been done from a sloe stall? i can just get a leg over, but i'm close to a mirage, paradox mirage, and whirl. what have you guys hit??? David _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 16 20:34:58 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA28246 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:34:58 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f19.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.19]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA22239 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:25:46 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:25:46 -0800 Received: from 24.148.17.243 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:25:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.148.17.243] From: "Alex Ibardaloza" To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: shags125@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] Easiest five Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:25:43 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2002 05:25:46.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[403F1C00:01C19E4E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dylan Livingston wrote: >Also, is anyone hitting Toe-mobius? ... I'd call it Toebius if no >one's >hitting it... W'sup, I've been hittng toebius since late 1999. I hit an unsealed one on Dan Klokow's video, C.I.C. Shred. There is also a clip of me hitting toe set gyro double legover in the beggining of the tape. It's rare that I ever post moves I've hit but, "what else I can do?" lol. These are other toe set gyro/spinning moves I can hit or have hit: -toe gyro mirage -toe gyro dragonfly -toe set spinning flying clipper -toe set spinning butterfly (delay and flyer) -toe set spinning osis -toe gyro syposium mirage Boo-ya! Just dont ask me to hit a string... :( Laterz, Zeke Chicago Inner Circle PS Anyone ever hit toe set vortex? Or toe set Lotus? What about other toe set spinning pdx moves? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 16 20:35:56 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA28280 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:35:56 -0800 Received: from web11603.mail.yahoo.com (web11603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.55]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id VAA22600 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:45:35 -0800 Message-ID: <20020116054535.61428.qmail@web11603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.81.17.23] by web11603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:45:35 PST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:45:35 -0800 (PST) From: Ellis Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Easiest five To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up all you ripping individuals? I'm very stoked to see so much energy from so many players contributing to this discussion list- very cool. Lots of people coming out of "nowhere" and learning this dope sport. Dylan Livingston wrote: > Mobius feels good to me. It's almost as easy... Mobius is and will always be a very rad move. If you are hitting Mobius now, it's not because it's easy. I would imagine your spins are good, so when your stepping set catches up to your spins, then Blurry Whirl may become your easiest 5. For me Blurry Whirl or Paradox Blender was my first 5- I forget which. Toe set Mobius is called Tobius, named after the all powerful Toby-1. > Is Vertigo easier than Void? Tell me!! I must know all there is to know!!! Hehehe, that's great. I'm stoked you're stoked on footbag. Again, you can't compare tricks like that. If a player has taken his/her time to skool the basics and learn a well-rounded foundation, then both tricks will be attainable. Vertigo has a tighter window than Void, and Void has a difficult momentum change. I think they are about the same in difficulty. > Ducking insp. Whirl (I think..) I have a criticism of this sort of trick. To clean a duck, the bag needs to pass up, over, and down around the neck. When I've seen people Inspin off a Duck, they are missing part of the duck. > (.. reverse swirl is Reversival).. Um, when did this happen? :) > Twirling Reverse Swirl.. That's a really cool idea. I've never seen this, so I gotta go try it. That's a reverse swirl set, then back spin and reverse swirl, right? Kind of like a reverse Burly Swirl (Swirling Blender). Anyway, shred on y'all. Peace, Ellis Piltz Flipsider.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 16 20:37:00 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA28316 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:37:00 -0800 Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA09040 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:52:38 -0800 From: "David Sanchez" Received: from Orbspiders@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id i.43.502b52f (15895); Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from web30.aolmail.aol.com (web30.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.6]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID810-0116105201; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:52:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:52:01 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Easiest five To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <43.502b52f.2976fba1@aol.com> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello shred community, There have recently been a couple of e-mails about "easy fives" and things of the like. I just don't get what people are talking about. They want to know how they can get five adds the easiest? Footbag isn't all about the adds and it certainly isn't about anything easy. Adds only count in competition and if you are looking for the easiest one then you are most likely not going to be busting it out in a competition(where you would get the extra whatever). My point is,,, if you think the move is phat then school it. Who cares how many adds or how easy it is for everyone else. You have a different body and mind from everyone else and therefore the ease at which you accomplish things is absolutely subjective. Try to hit every move that you can think of, both sides. If you tweek out your knee everytime you try a certain move, then you can logically leave that one move out of your vocab(such is the case with the Blazing set). Otherwise don't let any person tell you what moves to try and what not to try. Hit them all, they are all hard until you hit them several times. I remember my roomate in school betting me a slurpee that I would never hit a "jester stall"(aka clipper) thinking that it was damn near impossible. What a world it is. I love footbag and don't really mean to sound like a grouch so just take the world lightly, it truly is a comedy. Shred it up, David Sanchez From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 16 20:38:23 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA28433 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:38:23 -0800 Received: from I (brat.footbag.org [209.125.90.60]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA28430 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:38:23 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@209.125.90.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43.502b52f.2976fba1@aol.com> References: <43.502b52f.2976fba1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:38:29 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Easiest five Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org All moves are easy if you can hit them all the time. Where has this list gone? I'll rejoin sometime soon and create some controversy, 'cause obviously it's too boring right now. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jan 16 20:38:53 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA28469 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:38:53 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f294.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.169]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA27604 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:12:41 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:01:20 -0800 Received: from 24.50.234.201 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 04:01:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.50.234.201] From: "Steve Collins" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Player Introduction Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 04:01:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2002 04:01:20.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EE4DCA0:01C19F0B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, Im new to this list and I wanted to basically introduce myself to everyone Im Steve, Im 22 yrs. old I live in Southern Ohio(Tri-State Area of Ohio,Kentucky,West Virginia) I have been playing around with the footbag on and off for about 5 or 6 yrs. Kickin around with friends, or by myself. I had quit playing for awhile because I thought I was getting too old for the sport then one day I was nosing around on the internet and fell upon www.footbag.org and it renewed my interest in the sport. Plus I feel your never too old if you can still kick it up and do tricks and whatnot. Well enough of my rambling hope to hear from the list soon. Steve Collins _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jan 17 12:55:45 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA25360 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:55:45 -0800 Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (not verified[127.0.0.1]) by inetsrv.callplus.co.nz with MailMarshal (4,0,9,0) id ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:26:59 +1300 Received: by inetsrv.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:26:59 +1300 Message-ID: <31E1140DFAD2D54FB91BAD8D475EC17C3EF575@inetsrv.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Top 10 footbag threads from the past 5 years Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:26:49 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Top 10 footbag threads from the past 5 years: 10. Newbies vs. Jobs Notation 9. Use of Live Routine Music controversy. 8. Dodgy add systems 7. Mysterious Return of Paul Munger 6. James Risden: Braggart, or Prodigy? 5. Big Apple Sauce 4. Lavers vs. Other 3. Shooting <> 2 adds. 2. footbag.com And the number 1 footbag thread of the last 5 years: 1. The mysteries of Paradox From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jan 17 13:07:03 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA25617 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:07:03 -0800 Received: from femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.22]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA31748 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:54:06 -0800 Received: from acer ([24.67.167.169]) by femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020117065405.MGIF29992.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@acer>; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:54:05 -0800 Message-ID: <002b01c19f24$03c70c20$a9a74318@ok.shawcable.net> From: "Jeff Lopes" To: "Alex Ibardaloza" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Easiest five Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:55:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, Ive hit a move Ive called the 540 RAKE, its a toe set gyro x body rake, I hit it out of a normal clipper set gyro xbdy rake. Toe spinning is tough, good moves Zeke. Toe set spinning DLO is tough. Ive hit Sonic DLO but could never hit toe spinning DLO. Anyway list, now that Im back shreddin again, Ive been trying all sorts of pinching set moves. What has been hit from here? I can do a DLO and a far osis, but Peter Irish was hitting lots from it at worlds and it looks sweet. Let me know whats been done. Jeff Lopes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Ibardaloza" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [freestyle] Easiest five > Dylan Livingston wrote: > >Also, is anyone hitting Toe-mobius? ... I'd call it Toebius if no >one's > >hitting it... > > > W'sup, > > I've been hittng toebius since late 1999. I hit an unsealed one on Dan > Klokow's video, C.I.C. Shred. There is also a clip of me hitting toe set > gyro double legover in the beggining of the tape. It's rare that I ever post > moves I've hit but, "what else I can do?" lol. These are other toe set > gyro/spinning moves I can hit or have hit: > > -toe gyro mirage > -toe gyro dragonfly > -toe set spinning flying clipper > -toe set spinning butterfly (delay and flyer) > -toe set spinning osis > -toe gyro syposium mirage > Boo-ya! Just dont ask me to hit a string... :( > > Laterz, > Zeke > Chicago Inner Circle > > PS > Anyone ever hit toe set vortex? Or toe set Lotus? What about other toe set > spinning pdx moves? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jan 17 13:09:08 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA25678 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:09:08 -0800 Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA11305 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:32:15 -0800 From: "Ben Scarborough" Received: from NogginMonster@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.25.) id z.92.1ff2e3e9 (15862) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from web49.aolmail.aol.com (web49.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.10]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-0117093203; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:32:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:32:00 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Easiest five To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <92.1ff2e3e9.29783a63@aol.com> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Csallo Gergo wrote >>I think I also hit a 5 add: TOE > SAME IN > (no plant >>while) OP OUT > OP CLIP >>Kinda like a symposium dimwalk (or exactly, I dont >>know) This is not 5 adds. It is a pixie butterfly done the easy way. Not planting the setting foot makes the timing as well as the path of the bag easier to predict and control. THis move was my first 4 add. I do not believe that an extra add should be given just for hopping straight up to let the bag pass behind your leg. try planting your setting leg. It may make it harder but it will be alot cleaner. Ben Scarborough Augusta Footbag From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jan 17 13:11:00 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA25737 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:11:00 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f173.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.173]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA14297 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:49:07 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:49:03 -0800 Received: from 24.64.223.204 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:49:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.64.223.204] From: Jubal Hume To: airzeke@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Cc: shags125@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] Easiest five Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:49:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2002 15:49:03.0060 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CB5E940:01C19F6E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Zeke >Chicago Inner Circle >moves I've hit but, "what else I can do?" lol. These are other toe set >gyro/spinning moves I can hit or have hit: > >-toe gyro mirage >-toe gyro dragonfly >-toe set spinning flying clipper >-toe set spinning butterfly (delay and flyer) >-toe set spinning osis >-toe gyro symposium mirage > Boo-ya! Just don't ask me to hit a string... :( PS >Anyone ever hit toe set vortex? Or toe set Lotus? What about other toe set >spinning pdx moves?>> Don't want to comment on the "easiest five thing"... Just want to add a move to the toe set list below [one I hit at the worlds last year at the Shred on the last night..sadly did not seal it.. from the right toe...symposium [style or actual don't care as it felt synp] atomic mobius..try it you'll like it!..lol..it hurts..But is so PHAT..also try gyro symposium blur...[sealed that though] :-)..hit a crude and unsealed atomic gyro P-torque once...last fall..before my R knee blew out..still recovering..sigh..want to shred soooo badly!! I hit atomic p-torque sort of easy as well..and the harder version..fairy p-torque...hmmm..oh ya...infracting p-torque...[tried it diving too] also infracting voodoo [otherwise called a infracting paradox symposium blur]...well this is not as good as playing I must admit..but it killed some time and sort of sated me for a bit..[not really]..lol..Ciao All remember to Check out the website all http://WWW.FOOTBAGVIDEO.COM _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com