From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 1 17:29:41 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA21286 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:29:41 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f12.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.12]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA20062 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:27:31 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:27:31 -0800 Received: from 161.184.29.132 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:27:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.29.132] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Hard moves debate Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:27:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2002 18:27:31.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DDCD840:01C1D818] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, A little while ago I posted a list of REALLY hard moves on my list that people were complaining about. I fully expected to have to remove 9/10 of them from my list. Well, I guess I was already very picky choosy about which ones I took, because ALMOST ALL OF THE MOVES WERE VERIFIED!!! A couple weren't, seven to be exact, and three were proven to be incorrect. Pixie same frontside symposium blur/blizzard is impossible because pixie same symposium quantum as a set is not possible. Fairy Lotus was confused for Fairy Vortex on THE NEXT LEVEL by Dan Klokow(sp?) and it hasn't been hit. Pixie inspinning Op Legover, Juggernaut(Fairy symposium Eggbeater), Quake(Atomic Backside Symposium toe Blur), Snapping Torque, Spinning Paradox Barrage, Flailing Ducking Butterfly, and Coma(Quantum Flailing Same Dyno) have all not been verified. If anyone has hit any of these moves, please tell me so I can add them back to the list, but I am removing these seven moves from the list, as well as the pixie same symposium quantum moves and fairy lotus. All of the other moves on my long list of "Far-fetched" stuff have been hit and verified. Therefore, all moves on my list from now on HAVE been hit, so there is no more argument over what's for real and what isn't. If anyone has a question about who's hit what, I'll try to answer that for you, but it's surprising how MANY people have hit these sick huge moves. I hope I've cleared up the calamities on my list for now. If anyone notices another problem, let me know so I can fix it. Later all, Dylan Livingston From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 1 17:31:13 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA21324 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:31:13 -0800 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA24275 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 12:35:35 -0800 Received: from storefull-2195.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2195.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.213.69]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EDB975; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 12:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2195.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id MAA22818; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 12:35:21 -0800 (PST) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQtZmv5yBhUwtMiOP9gzNSjuLRWNgIVALsdg8lkjDagRLUBkoTDtR0sQJmC From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:35:20 -0500 (EST) To: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Cc: freestyle@list.footbag.org (Freestyle Listserv) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Impromptu jam in Ann Arbor, MI Message-ID: <4887-3CA62188-497@storefull-2195.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: Scott Davidson 's message of Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:09:54 -0600 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all- Scott wrote- "The location is Ann Arbor, MI at the University, "on the quad" in the middle of the festival" A small correction - It's "the diag", corner of State St. & N. University. Either way, you can't miss it. Traditionally we have large, very appreciative crowds (lots of kickers). We have an indoor site in case of bad weather. Thanks, GF Smoothie From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 1 17:32:18 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA21347 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:32:18 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f157.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.157]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA28895 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:34:23 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:34:23 -0800 Received: from 161.184.27.81 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:34:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.27.81] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Bladerunner Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:34:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2002 22:34:23.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A92AFA0:01C1D83B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I just had to ask, what's Bladerunner? I know Chris Pinkus hits this, but I don't know what it is. It sounds cool. Please let me know. Thanks everyone! Dylan Livingston From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 1 17:33:58 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA21440 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:33:58 -0800 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA31191 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:44:23 -0800 From: Andrew Coleman Received: from CrazyHackier@cs.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.85.195084aa (4214) for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:44:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <85.195084aa.29d7a7d4@cs.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:44:20 EST Subject: [freestyle] Whirl, swirl, whirr, ripstein To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 122 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org why isn't a double swirl called a swirr, or a double whirl called a whipstein. I think it would make more sense if one them was changed -Andrew From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 1 17:34:55 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA21482 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:34:55 -0800 Received: from sccmmhc01.mchsi.com (sccmmhc01.mchsi.com [204.127.203.183]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA31420 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:56:38 -0800 Received: from mmueller ([12.217.240.36]) by sccmmhc01.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020330235633.QWJZ1219.sccmmhc01.mchsi.com@mmueller>; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:56:33 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c1d847$b6f6f4c0$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> From: "Matt Mueller" To: "Ellis Piltz" , References: <20020329194633.72567.qmail@web11603.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Adds Shmadds Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:05:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Brad Kaplan wrote: > > Hmmmm. I think we'll sell out if we want > > this sport to really get big. > > What the hell are you talking about? I really > disagree with that statement. Did Skateboarding > sell out? No. Did Surfing sell out? No. Both > are a tight-knit, self-sustaining culture, which > invented itself and continues to define itself > based on the people within the movement. When a > sport/person sells out he/she/it is no longer > calling any shots at all and is merely trying to > satisfy the puppet master. We don't even have > that option at this point, and when the time > comes for all these big companies to approach us, > I hope some/most of you will say, "Go fuck > yourself; where were you in the struggle?" It's > funny how similarly we are following in > skateboarding's footsteps. > Right, but skateboarding is pretty "bad" where I live. WAY too many people just have a skateboard, or skateboarding shoes, to be cool - and they all suck. People who are not good at footbag are perfectly alright, but only if they are willing to get better. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 1 17:38:59 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA21688 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:38:59 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f254.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.129]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31579 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:03:02 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:01:57 -0800 Received: from 24.29.178.34 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:01:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.29.178.34] From: "Chris Harry" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Adds Shmadds Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:01:57 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2002 00:01:57.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[46309070:01C1D847] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Ellis Piltz >Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:46:33 -0800 (PST) > >Brad Kaplan wrote: > > Hmmmm. I think we'll sell out if we want > > this sport to really get big. > >What the hell are you talking about? I really >disagree with that statement. Did Skateboarding >sell out? No. Did Surfing sell out? No. Both >are a tight-knit, self-sustaining culture, which >invented itself and continues to define itself >based on the people within the movement. When a >sport/person sells out he/she/it is no longer >calling any shots at all and is merely trying to >satisfy the puppet master. We don't even have >that option at this point, and when the time >comes for all these big companies to approach us, >I hope some/most of you will say, "Go fuck >yourself; where were you in the struggle?" It's >funny how similarly we are following in >skateboarding's footsteps. I agree with you to some degree, but your taking your point to unnecessary extremes. I dont think were following that closely in skateboarding's footsteps, look how popular skateboarding has become already. Skateboarding was popular around when it was introduced to the masses, and in the 70's it was pretty popular, but due to the poor quality of boards and injuries, society in general seemed to shun skating through most of the 80's. During this time, the up and comers were still skating (like Tony Hawk for example) and then during the 90's skating regained popularity and the 'up and comer' Tony Hawk became one of skatings most well-known figures. The point of that last paragraph is that footbag is not like skateboarding, because there were no really huge bursts of popularity since the conception of footbag (sometime around 1972). When most people at the YMCA I go to religiously watch me shred, it's just hacky sack, not like they know it's freestyle footbag and that it's only one among several footbag sporting events. Footbag just isn't as openly easy to get into, the only reason I freestyle today is because last year I learned all of the basic stalls on both feet and wanted to know more, so I go to a search engine and type in hacky sack, and footbag.org came up, the rest is history. Another reason why we are not following in skateboardings footsteps is because both sports have been around for about the same amount of time yet skating is extremely popular now, and after 30 years footbag has finally gotten a little bit of recognition with the IFPA becoming an amatuer charitible sports organization, but what does that mean for promotion? It wouldn't be good if after another 30 years footbag is still in its underground status. I'll relate to you an example that pertains to music. My favorite band (right now anyway) is AFI. AFI is an alternative gothic-punk rock sounding band, and im pretty sure there goal is selling out because they want to expose more people to their sound and probably cant under their current record label. Now the question is, do we NEED to "sell out," for footbag to be exposed so that our sport can take off? The answer is not so easy. It depends what this new status can do for us. It's not so much about being approached by big companies, sponsorship is a HUGE part of just about every professional sport and seems in my mind, to be an essential part of growth of the footbag community. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 1 17:42:07 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA21880 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:42:07 -0800 Received: from sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (sccmmhc02.mchsi.com [204.127.203.184]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA31746 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:07:59 -0800 Received: from mmueller ([12.217.240.36]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020331000758.YPCN24267.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@mmueller>; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:07:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c1d849$4fa1caa0$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> From: "Matt Mueller" To: "Paul Munger" , References: <20020330042105.8107.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Promoting the sport Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:16:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Great post Since I don't play 4 square, the best thing I can think of in a group of "hackers", would be to just do toe and inside stalls (if they already can, then do legover, atw). That would be something you can teach them and it will be easy to hit the first or second time they try. Always carry around a backpack full of Mr. Sandbags to give out ;) I also will join any circle that I see. I always start out with just kicking until I can see everyone's skill level, and then try not to exceed that too much. > But since Worlds last year I have found something to > lure them (if you will) farther into the sport. That > is by teaching them how to play 4 square. Because in > 4 square you never need to do a toe delay or anything > fancy. All you need to do is keep it out of your > square and in someone elses. The game is mildly > competitive and LOTS of fun. I have taught about a > dozen kids ages 10-16 how to play and they love it. > They kept on playing even after I left. They even > knock on my door and ask me to come out and play with > them. The feeling that they have for the game is much > more. They WANT to get better. They want to play > more. They want to have all the fun the game has to > offer. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 1 17:43:51 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA22032 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:43:51 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07260 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:17:32 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GTW03H01JEAMU@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:30:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GTW03G69JE8EJ@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:30:08 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:11:26 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Adds Shmadds To: freestyle Message-id: <3C981DDA@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Ellis Piltz ===== >What the hell are you talking about? I really >disagree with that statement. Did Skateboarding >sell out? No. Did Surfing sell out? I took my part of the conversation privately to Ellis, but will highlight my points for anyone who cares. My main point was that there are degrees of selling out. Once a person in a sport stops playing for the mere enjoyment of playing and puts on a Mountain Dew shirt for their sponsor, they have sold out to some degree. They also must be at a certain level of skill to gain that sponsorship and so may push the limits for that reason (not the soul reason, but a reason none the less). To an extent I contend that the game does not remain wholly theirs because much of the continued competative success of the player relies on the sponsors for whom they must lend their name and face and appease whatever value the sponsor would have for them. So my answer to the above questions were that yes, to a degree all those sports sold out when they gained sponsors whose contracts must be satisfied and the players did so similarly. I MUST also state that none of that bothers me. I think it's perfectly okay to "sell out" to a certain degree. Not to the point where all is dictated for us, but certainly enough to get global notariety for the sport. There is always an expense and I think wearing a companies clothing is a small price to pay. On the adds part I think that adds may be counted too heavily in Routines, but shouldn't be removed entirely. As for the "Most Rippin' Run" I think they are important because of the multiplier that pushes players to go for bigger tricks, even though a player could conceivably do an honorable run with only 3 add moves. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 1 17:50:27 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA22633 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:50:27 -0800 Received: from priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (mtaout.telus.net [199.185.220.235]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA20689 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:46:56 -0800 Received: from terry ([209.107.116.230]) by priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with SMTP id <20020330184655.YPXV16463.priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net@terry> for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:46:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c1d81b$449ab230$e6746bd1@terry> From: "Ryan Bott" To: "Footbag List" Subject: [freestyle] Dylan's Move List Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:46:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hopping on the bandwagon of Word to html convertors, I too have put Dylan's list up on my website. Beware that it is hosted by Tripod which equals about two popups on entry, just minimize them and they won't bother you. Some of the load times with the pages are a little horendous. For example, the four adds list takes an estimated 76 seconds to download on a 28.8 modem. I'm thinking that it might be a good idea to break it up a little bit but I'm not quite sure in what way. Anyways, here's the links. http://stuff.at.tripod.com (intro page) http://stuff.at.tripod.com/index3.htm (main page) http://stuff.at.tripod.com/footbag-moves.htm (direct link(missing side menu bar but gets the job done)) And on one final note, the website also has some forums at it's dispense. They are luckily uninhabited by popups and annoying advertisements. The direct link to them is http://www.theafterlife.101main.net/stuff.at/phpBB2 but they deal with much more then footbag(small community right now, contribute if you'd like) If I missed anything I'm sorry. Have a good day, Ryan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 2 12:10:34 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA27670 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:10:34 -0800 Received: from web12801.mail.yahoo.com (web12801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.36]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id SAA24947 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:37:48 -0800 Message-ID: <20020402023744.91260.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.246.9.100] by web12801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:37:44 PST Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:37:44 -0800 (PST) From: matt baker Subject: [freestyle] Selling out To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have not written in awhile and this whole selling out thing came up. I would like to remind the people who said to say to corporations "go fuck yourself" did not when Nike approached them. Footbag is a awsome sport and a sport I love because of it's lack of involvement with corporations. Nike is one of the worst corporations out there. I hope that footbag does not sell out. I think you yourself have to sell out before you can sell the sport out. This is not a personal bash on anyone or anyone beleifs. All I know is that I don't support Nike and if you are doing demo's for Nike then don't say that we should say fuck you to corporations. The day Nike or Babylon get involved in footbag is the day I stop. There are plenty of good company's that will support footbag. Peace matt p.s Reply to me personally From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 2 12:11:59 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA27705 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:11:59 -0800 Received: from mail21.bigmailbox.com (mail21.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.195]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA26942 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:21:07 -0800 Received: (from www@localhost) by mail21.bigmailbox.com (8.11.6/8.10.0) id g323L6o00881; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:21:06 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:21:06 -0800 Message-Id: <200204020321.g323L6o00881@mail21.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [24.128.13.123] From: Neil Bornstein To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Adds Shmadds Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo, I think the entire system is out of joint. There are plenty of 2 and three add moves that are more difficult than some 5 and 6 add moves. Here's an example. A drifter is a pretty intermediate move, and is decent for three adds. The part of a drifter that makes it the most difficult is the fact that the bag remains in front of you while your dexing leg goes around the other one. Now to eliminate that problem, thereby making the move easier, one can give a little hop with the support leg and go over the bag with it. In addition to making the move easier, that would give two more adds, a symposium dexterity. Making it an easier 5 add move. Things like that are just plain wrong. I think that all of footbag should be judged on the wow factor. For those of you who want the sport to become global, what would be better for audiences, technical description and points for easier high add moves, or sick sick runs? I know what I'd watch. If there can be some system that encompasses everything and where all rules apply to all situations, then I'd go for that, but until then, I'm gonna do what's cool to me. Cordially yours, Neil (Thwap Man) From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 2 12:12:47 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA27732 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:12:47 -0800 Received: from web11604.mail.yahoo.com (web11604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.56]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id XAA02328 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 23:52:13 -0800 Message-ID: <20020402075213.14320.qmail@web11604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.27.107.19] by web11604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 23:52:13 PST Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 23:52:13 -0800 (PST) From: Ellis Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Adds Shmadds To: Matt , freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <000701c1d847$b6f6f4c0$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Mueller wrote: > Right, but skateboarding is pretty "bad" where > I live. WAY too many people > just have a skateboard, or skateboarding shoes, > to be cool - and they all suck. Yeah, they are posers- posers have existed since well before skating was on television. It doesn't mean skateboarding is "bad". What you see on TV is not skateboarding, period. The essence of skateboarding lies in landing your first kickflip down 4 stairs when no one is there to see it. It's an amazing experience. > People who are not good at footbag are > perfectly alright, but only if > they are willing to get better. Well, that's one opinion. I'd rephrase with "if they are willing to have fun", leaving out the "only", because who the hell am I to say anyway? :) Learning new tricks is dope. Ellis Piltz From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 2 12:14:03 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA27785 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:14:03 -0800 Received: from ibooktang.salk.edu (ibooktang.salk.edu [198.202.67.178]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA21553 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:44:59 -0800 Received: from cameron by ibooktang.salk.edu with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16sHBl-00074t-00; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:50:37 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: cameron kennedy Reply-To: ckennedy@ems.salk.edu Organization: Salk institute To: "Matt Mueller" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Adds Shmadds Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:50:36 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20020329194633.72567.qmail@web11603.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c1d847$b6f6f4c0$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> In-Reply-To: <000701c1d847$b6f6f4c0$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> Cc: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02040121503600.27131@ibooktang> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Right, but skateboarding is pretty "bad" where I live. WAY too many people > just have a skateboard, or skateboarding shoes, to be cool - and they all > suck. People who are not good at footbag are perfectly alright, but only if > they are willing to get better. It is this type of attitude that keeps the stands empty and stunts the growth of the sport. Who do you think attends skateboarding contests ? Who do you think makes skateboarding a profitable industry ? Who buys all the decks, wheels, bearings, videos, protective equipment, tee shirts, shoes etc etc etc ? A sport can not support it self by only selling to the professionals, yet footbag seems determined to take this path. People who are not good at footbag are fine the way they are. People who pressure people to play guiltless, or do everything both sides, or drill this and drill that are driving away the people who would like to come and watch this sport as fans. A lot of us are happy doing legovers and around the worlds, using footbag as a purely recreational activity. Recreational players are one of the biggest factors in a sports success, and footbag seems to squash the ambition out of everyone who wants to play for fun. These are the same people who would sport tee shirts of their favorite playeys, buy bags named after big pros, and play our video games. They are also the same people who would come to events and pay entrance fees to watch. Not everyone who comes to an event has dreams of being pro, some just want to see what the pro's can do, and leave happy with a jaw dropping experience. cameron -- They'll keep on spreading whatever stories they think they have to -- to foreigners especially. Call it the free flow of misinformation. Who needs a formal office for that?" -- Donald Rumsfield From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 2 13:45:36 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA31592 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:45:36 -0800 Received: from clem.mscd.edu ([147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA28795 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 12:35:46 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GTY07A01JTFFB@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 13:34:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GTY03JCFJQRIJ@clem.mscd.edu>; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 13:32:51 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 13:14:07 -0700 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Bladerunner To: Dylan Livingston , freestyle Message-id: <3C995149@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Dylan Livingston ===== >Hey all, >I just had to ask, what's Bladerunner? Atomic Eggbeater. Toe > op out > op out > op out > same toe Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 4 16:24:01 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA22962 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:24:01 -0800 Received: from web21411.mail.yahoo.com (web21411.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.80]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id PAA04074 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:35:36 -0800 Message-ID: <20020402233532.19399.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.167.249.231] by web21411.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 15:35:32 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:35:32 -0800 (PST) From: john kingi Subject: Re: [freestyle] Promoting the sport To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <20020330042105.8107.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, --- Paul Munger wrote: > They are seen everywhere > from beachs to parks and all over in the school > yards. > But for a number of reasons not many can do even a > toe delay. > But these are the people that we want to entice to > play our beloved > sport I started out like many others in this sport (specially from my neck of the woods) playing hacky sack and still enjoy playin hacky. A couple of things occurred when a few of the hacky regulars branched off to play footbag, the hacky circles all dried up and dissapeared from our streets, and we lost contact with a whole lot of our hacky friends. Wellington had quite possibly the healthiest hacky scene in New Zealand, there were two locations where there were hacky circles kicking with out fail . I realized that there were usually a few key figures who would meet every day to kick and all of the other regulars would walk by to see if there was a circle there, and would come and join in. these days those key figures play footbag so when people try to join in they get to kick a footbag once or twice and then wait 5 minutes while every one else in the circle pulls off things that only intimidate newbies. The majority of hackers in my nabourhood are into flow, aerial moves, and the team aspect of rescueing a stray kick. I think that hacky players who do not wish play the footbag style should be treated with the same respect that any other footbag player should be treated with be they BAP or Newbie (Obviously pioneers of either sport deserve much respect). I guess thats the point I was trying to make, sorry it took this long to make it. Johnny From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 4 16:25:15 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA23007 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:25:15 -0800 Received: from sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (sccmmhc02.mchsi.com [204.127.203.184]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA04169 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:38:55 -0800 Received: from mmueller ([12.217.240.36]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020402233851.UAPY24267.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@mmueller>; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:38:51 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01c1daa0$c4c5bb80$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> From: "Matt Mueller" To: , References: <20020329194633.72567.qmail@web11603.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c1d847$b6f6f4c0$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> <02040121503600.27131@ibooktang> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Adds Shmadds Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:47:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org again, I was talking about the posers. I wan't footbag to be bigger, but I also want to be respected when I play. Many people just assume most skateboarders they see are posers - I dont want footbag to develop like that > > Right, but skateboarding is pretty "bad" where I live. WAY too many people > > just have a skateboard, or skateboarding shoes, to be cool - and they all > > suck. People who are not good at footbag are perfectly alright, but only if > > they are willing to get better. > > It is this type of attitude that keeps the stands empty and stunts the growth > of the sport. Who do you think attends skateboarding contests ? Who do you > think makes skateboarding a profitable industry ? Who buys all the decks, > wheels, bearings, videos, protective equipment, tee shirts, shoes etc etc etc > ? A sport can not support it self by only selling to the professionals, yet > footbag seems determined to take this path. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 4 16:26:30 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA23035 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:26:30 -0800 Received: from sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (sccmmhc02.mchsi.com [204.127.203.184]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA04437 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:44:12 -0800 Received: from mmueller ([12.217.240.36]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020402234412.UBMN24267.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@mmueller>; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:44:12 +0000 Message-ID: <002601c1daa1$840fc3a0$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> From: "Matt Mueller" To: "Neil Bornstein" , References: <200204020321.g323L6o00881@mail21.bigmailbox.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Adds Shmadds Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:52:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Right. (I dont' have time to think of a better example so...) Take a paradox torque, and a spinning torque. Which would look better to an audience? (spinning im assuming) They probably wouldn't notice symposium or paradox all the time, especially if they dont really know about jobs. > Yo, > I think the entire system is out of joint. There are plenty of 2 and three add moves that are more difficult than some 5 and 6 add moves. Here's an example. > A drifter is a pretty intermediate move, and is decent for three adds. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 4 16:27:10 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA23058 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:27:10 -0800 Received: from web11404.mail.yahoo.com (web11404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.234]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA07082 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:34:39 -0800 Message-ID: <20020403003439.40365.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.63.20.78] by web11404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Apr 2002 16:34:39 PST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 16:34:39 -0800 (PST) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Selling out To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <20020402023744.91260.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, --- matt baker wrote: > The day Nike or Babylon get > involved in footbag is the day I stop. Wow. I skool a minimum of 2 hours a day (5 days a week) when the weather is good. Most days I like to push it to 3-4 hours though. If Nike ever gets serisously involved in footbag, I'll skool 8 hours a day. I've put an extremly large amount of time into my game and I take it very seriously. Someday I'd like to get something back from it. Later, James Risden From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 4 16:28:46 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA23106 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:28:46 -0800 Received: from hotmail.com (f151.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.151]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA12261 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:27:17 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:27:17 -0800 Received: from 24.205.226.168 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Apr 2002 02:27:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.205.226.168] From: "Jonathan Wilson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Footbags Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:27:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2002 02:27:17.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[12AE2EC0:01C1DAB7] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Um, this is my first post. So I hope this is ok. But I need advice on what kind of bag to get. Right now, I have what I used to think was a Sippa Sippa, but it turns out it's not even that good. It's better than a Hackey Sack, it's really durable, good for circle kicking and ok for doing a couple of stalls, but that's about it. But I want something better. I'm a freestyler, and I need something that's durable. Basically, you can't stop people from scuffing. So what's a good, durable, freestyle bag? Any help would be appreciated. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 4 16:35:02 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA23388 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:35:02 -0800 Received: from pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA20817 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 00:45:16 -0800 Received: from pd2mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr4so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.107]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GU100JJYCB8J8@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 01:45:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml7so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.151]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GU100D4BCB80L@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 01:45:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from k1 (h24-70-219-33.gv.shawcable.net [24.70.219.33]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GU1003M7C9XBU@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 01:44:22 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 00:49:59 -0800 From: Allan Haggett Subject: [freestyle] Free CSS 3 shred flick To: freestyle list Message-id: <003b01c1dbb5$b6fbbfc0$21db4618@gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It's 12 minutes and 50 seconds and it's got: Sunil Jani Lon Smith Peter Irish Rick Reese Daryl Genz Ellis Piltz Yacine Merzouk James Risden Paul Mestas and Gyro (my cat) It doesn't have: (A)Nemesis, Clown Face or Irish Cream :o( I oh-so-conveniently wasn't recording when these feets were performed. (B)Time spent on editing. I had started out with the intent of spending some time on this, but alas, extenuating circumstances have forced me to release it as is; with all 3 hours of editing done. The footage really does speak for itself. It'll be worth the download. Oh yeah, did I mention? This is an internet release **ONLY** I have not the time, nor the resources to produce this thing onto any other medium. So if you're still on dial up - I'm sorry, but it's 30 megs. If you're running anything but Winblows, I have more bad news. My system kept crashing when I tried to render into quick time(the file would be a bloated 200 megs anyhow); mpeg would be far too big as well. The only other version I managed to successfully bang out by deadline was RealMedia. For the record, Real is spy ware and I loath their program, but they have better than average file compression. This version is 91 megs. Ouch. But hey, if you're with us here in the 21st century and have a broadband connection of some sort, then this won't really be a big deal. If you run with the Mac crowd, you could totally dis your OS and install M$ Media Player for Mac.... but maybe just go to a friends house..... or take your chances and install Real.... or pay me $1000us and I'll send you a VHS copy(shit, I'll output to DVD for that) http://www.freefootbag.org/css3/ So there it is. I sincerely apologise to anyone who is annoyed by the system requirements. I wish I didn't have to be like this. If I get enough requests, maybe I'll go without sleep some night and render into .mpeg, but no promises. Enjoy :-D -Allan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 4 16:56:14 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA25066 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:56:14 -0800 Received: from foundationcomputing.net (donorport.org [207.160.174.56]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA24869 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:53:05 -0800 Received: from [207.160.174.20] (HELO dfiatx96-093.dfiatx.dsl.gtei.net) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 1010813 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:48:27 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:53:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Adds Shmadds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Derrick Fogle To: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <02040121503600.27131@ibooktang> Message-Id: <7C2BD092-482F-11D6-B078-003065BA9A0E@fogles.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 11:50 PM, cameron kennedy wrote: > A sport can not support it self by only selling to the professionals, > yet footbag seems determined to take this path. Quoting this merely because it needs repeating. The 'meat' of footbag is the thousands of come-and-go hackers that may or may not care about an around-the-world. Those people make the footbag business go 'round, and they are the ones that us pros eventually recruit for the 'elite' inner circle. Without them, footbag is nothing. Anyway, how dare anyone think that they have the 'right' to try to take footbag - a very challenging but non-competitive athletic activity - away from the hippies? For the love of footbag, pay homage to the hippie hackers. They are why you are kicking today. -Derrick From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:09:17 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA28943 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:09:17 -0700 Received: from rains.umail.ucsb.edu (rains.umail.ucsb.edu [128.111.151.216]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA01615 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:41:34 -0800 Received: from http by rains.umail.ucsb.edu with local (Exim 3.35 #2) id 16tKbU-000Jnu-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:41:32 -0800 Received: from 128.111.182.30 ( [128.111.182.30]) as user hackman@incoming.umail.ucsb.edu by webaccess.umail.ucsb.edu with HTTP; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:41:32 -0800 Message-ID: <1017978092.3cad1cec0ef33@webaccess.umail.ucsb.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:41:32 -0800 From: Jeremy Mirken To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Advice for spinning moves? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org list, Does anyone have advice about spinning, more specifically about keeping your balance, or about basic footwork technique? Do you recommend spinning without the bag to get acclimated to the motion or just jumping right in with a footbag? Any good drills? thanks, Senizzor Grizzommet -- Jeremy Mirken hackman@umail.ucsb.edu From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:08:18 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA28890 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:08:18 -0700 Received: from rains.umail.ucsb.edu (rains.umail.ucsb.edu [128.111.151.216]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA01502 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:37:57 -0800 Received: from http by rains.umail.ucsb.edu with local (Exim 3.35 #2) id 16tKXz-000JlR-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:37:55 -0800 Received: from 128.111.182.30 ( [128.111.182.30]) as user hackman@incoming.umail.ucsb.edu by webaccess.umail.ucsb.edu with HTTP; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:37:55 -0800 Message-ID: <1017977875.3cad1c13357c6@webaccess.umail.ucsb.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:37:55 -0800 From: Jeremy Mirken To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] On dumbing down one's game MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org List, First of all, I wont ever dumb down a routine simply to appease my fans. I think that doing tricks that fans can understand is a good way to get new comers to the sport, but when im shredding I will always do what I want, when I want. In fact, I think people are rather impressed by legs that circle the bag three times rather than once or twice with a pretty spin. Why do I play footbag? For me, and not for anyone else. That may be a selfish attitude, but circle shredding is a very independent progression of the sport. I am not opposed to doing legovers and pixies in a "hacky sack" circle, but when I wanna freestyle, let nobody hold me back! Im gunna bust the biggest and best of my ability. Besides, if fans were interested in learning the sport, they'd approach us, rather than we having to approach them. Many people just aren't ready for freestyle. Live with it. If you wanted to make money, you should have played basketball of baseball, certainly not a sport like footbag, which is still in its infancy. Anyway, these are just my biased opinions. Senor Grommet -- Jeremy Mirken hackman@umail.ucsb.edu From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:10:10 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA28998 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:10:10 -0700 Received: from ds9.beatricene.com (ds9.beatricene.com [208.15.132.129]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA05002 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 21:14:18 -0800 Received: from chris-wks.planetquake.com (chris-wks.beatricene.com [208.15.132.77]) by ds9.beatricene.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g355EI316356 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 23:14:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020404230501.00b49a30@mail.planetquake.com> X-Sender: shatter@mail.planetquake.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 23:06:50 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Chris Holden Subject: [freestyle] Go-Go set? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Has anyone hit any Go-Go set moves or even heard of this set before? Go-Go (stepping backspinning): CLIP > OP IN [DEX] > (back) spin [bod] > I'm doing some moves list consolidation, and don't really have any information on it. Thanks Chris Holden mailto:shatter@planetquake.com http://www.beatricene.com/footbag/ Calendar of Events: http://www.beatricene.com/cgi-bin/footbag-calendar/calendar.cgi From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:12:20 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA29115 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:12:20 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f42.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.42]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA05344 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 21:19:21 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 21:17:17 -0800 Received: from 24.29.178.34 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 05:17:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.29.178.34] From: "Chris Harry" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] First public shred on stage - routine/music ideas? Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 23:17:17 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 05:17:17.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[27B694A0:01C1DC61] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, there's a senior talent show coming up soon at my high school, I've already tried out and made it. I can do just about any 1 add or 2 add moves, but my 3 add is limited to just Paradox Mirage and osis, but since this talent show is going to be viewed at by a crowd-pleaser stand point, I'm thinking of doing plenty of cross body sole delays, spins, and flyers. One such move is going to be a display of pure leg strength and control, hop-over straight into crossbody sole delay, which looks much harder than it is if you have schooled both of these. I was wondering if anyone has any ideas for music or tips for my routine. I was thinking of using Magic Carpet Ride (techno remix) by Crystal Method or Girls by the Beastie Boys (note that I kind of want a tune that people my age can recognize, and if not, techno is always good) I might be finishing off my routine with a unique move that people keep askin me to do again and again, with a big wow factor, but no real technical merit (as in adds) but I haven't schooled it yet so i dunno...sorry I'm not tellin what it is ;) From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:12:55 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA29145 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:12:55 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f128.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.128]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA11346 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 01:00:51 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 01:00:50 -0800 Received: from 64.109.203.150 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:00:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.109.203.150] From: "Ian Dubman" To: allan@footbag.org, freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Free CSS 3 shred flick Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 03:00:50 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 09:00:50.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[6250C670:01C1DC80] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Excellent. Make an old, currently non-kicking, footbagger feel nostalgic. Sweet production Allan. The kicking is insane. Sunil... Props bro. You have grown immensely since I saw you last. Peter and Paul (not Mary), unbelievable juggling. I still juggle a bit, but I would love some tips from you guys--first, what kind of balls are you juggling(e-mail me personally). Great stuff everyone. I am very impressed, I am going to have to either get back to my kicking or go watch you all bust out here soon. I am very stoked to see where freestyle has gone in the past year and a half. Unbelievable. Keep it up guys. Late, Ian Dubman From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:14:06 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA29237 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:14:06 -0700 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA12235 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 01:30:43 -0800 Received: from MatthewL329@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.95.1a67253b (15901); Fri, 5 Apr 2002 04:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.com (mow-m27.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v84.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-0405043035; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 04:30:35 -0500 Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 04:30:35 -0500 From: matthewl329@aol.com To: spyderman888@hotmail.com ("Jonathan Wilson"), freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbags Message-ID: <08B9C53D.35C7A61A.4E19C3A4@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jonathan Wilson said: "Basically, you can't stop people from scuffing." Dear John, Stop them from scuffing, period. Warn them ahead of time, or keep your sipa on you for circle kicking and make do with that when others want to play. It's great to show some freestyle to the hacky kids because it seems most people agree that they're the breeding grounds for future freestylers. However, just because they don't know what they're doing, or how to treat a good bag, does not mean it's okay for them to ruin your freestyle bag. Just tell them, most people are very respectful, or at least have been in my experience. As for a good bag, go with your namesake; get a Wilson bag (contact Mike Wilson at mwil3@yahoo.com). They're cheaper than all the other bags of their variety (that being hand-stitched quality 32 panel facile bags) of which I know. They're all I use, and the rest of my group uses them as well. We're all really satisfied. Mike doesn't pay me to say this. His bags are just great. Matt Cross Rochester Footbag Assocation Rochester, NY From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:14:41 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA29263 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:14:41 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f159.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.159]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA12393 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 01:38:03 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 01:26:36 -0800 Received: from 24.205.226.168 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 09:26:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.205.226.168] From: "Jonathan Wilson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: footbags Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 01:26:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 09:26:36.0397 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBA781D0:01C1DC83] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wow, I can't believe how many emails I got. You all helped, but most of the emails told me to get a 4 panel Revolution. Even Peter Irish told me to get one. So I think that's what I'm gonna go with. Thanks everybody. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:15:14 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA29321 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:15:14 -0700 Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA18820 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 06:28:09 -0800 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:28:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA880445619F@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Promoting the sport Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 09:27:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > -----Original Message----- > From: john kingi [mailto:circle_lord@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:36 PM > To: freestyle@footbag.org > Subject: Re: [freestyle] Promoting the sport > > > I started out like many others in this sport > (specially from my neck of the woods) playing hacky > sack and still enjoy playin hacky. I guess my comment is only kinda related to this thread (a more appropriate subject for my comment would be "Why I love Hacky Sack"), but the comment above made me think of when I first started playing. I, of course, was a hacky sacker before anything else (weren't we all?). Those were fun times. I can remember being able to hit a jester to a back catch.. This would be followed by about ten consecutives.. Then a kick off of the nearest wall.. at which point my buddy would do an amazing toe dig to keep the play alive.. full hacks.. oh yeah! full hacks rocked!!! now and again someone would "shoot the moon" which referred to mauling the sipa sipa as high in the air as possible.. someone had to get that sucker before it landed down.. I can remember being beaned (and beaning others) for bad form (like self serves)... Ahhh.. Nostalgia. I could have sworn at that point in time that I was the best damned hacky sack player that ever lived. Ever!! I ruled as far as I was concerned, and I loved it!! In fact I was utterly convinced of this for quite some time. I secretly think that the players I kicked with thought the same thing about their level of play.. They were wrong of course.. How could they not be?? I could hit toe stall to toe stall at will!?!?!?! Ignorance was bliss. I really love footbag freestyle, but there's definitely something to be said for that time in the hacky sack learning arch. Later. Bob Riefer Philly Footworks PS- I play footbag because it's really fun to play. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:15:53 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA29363 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:15:53 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f118.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.118]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA29719 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:17:51 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 10:17:51 -0800 Received: from 128.148.209.72 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:17:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.148.209.72] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "Ken Somolinos" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] UCSF Jam reflections/ Go to Worlds! Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 13:17:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2002 18:17:51.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[3282A140:01C1DCCE] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Stylers! UCSF jam was the bomb. Big props to Sunil for throwing this jam and to everyone for coming. Just thought I'd post a few highlights. The Jam consisted of the first family, Southern California, Dan Klokow of Chicago, and even a NYFA contingent. Both days people shredded for over 4 hours, and there were usually 4-6 circles of shredders. I even got to jump into an all female circle with Carol, Ann Kaplan, and Mel Schneider for a bit. Overall there was a decent balance of pro and intermediate shredders, but the "intermediates" of today don't really play so "intermediate." I saw lots of good stuff from everybody all weekend. Josh Penney represented East Coast by playing better than I've ever seen him play: long strings, creative links, big mouth. Blurry whirl-blurriest= stupid like tiiiight! This reference=stupid like dumb. Dan Klokow impressed the hell out of me, and had a cool camera he let me play with to boot. Dan was going long all weekend, and along with Josh, wins the diehard award for playing in the last circle of the event (2 man) a good hour after everybody else was tired, changed, and watching. Props for nailing that combo at the end man. Ahren takes the award for best mirrored move: he sealed nuclear drifter, which is possibly the coolest move that is a rewind of itself. Ahren also hit fairy vortex and phobia, and schooled me on your mom (uh....). This was actually the best moment of the tournament. Sunil was filming Ahren hitting Your Mom, and while he was doing that, Chad placed his camera between Sunil's legs to also film Ahren. Said Sunil: "After seeing Ahren hit Your Mom, I looked down between my legs and saw Big Wood." This was just classic. I played with Sunil at a session on Thursday and saw him hit Clown Face, and I literally fell down, cause that move is just silly. At the Jam Sunil was taking it easy cause of his knee, but I still saw him hit 4 blurry whirls in a row linked to a bedwetter. Sunil wasn't the only person busting who shouldn't have been able to. Tu Vu shredded it up both days, hitting reverse drifters, and sick combos like blurriest to flurry, which is incredible considering we went dancing 3 nights in a row. Too huge. San Diego also represented at the tournament. I gave crap to Abshire for hitting haze while in SF, so he obliged and hit some nice fogs. When in Rome and all that. I had heard about Cameron's grabbing moves, but this is really something you need to see to understand how cool it is. He's not just grabbing easy moves either, I saw him hit grabbing fog, and blurrier too I think. It's all very confusing, but very cool. Lon Smith is really weird. He gets the combo of the event award for big apple-blurriest. I also saw him hit blurriest-pdx torque-blurriest-mobius-blurriest, which I think was all clean. Pure sickness, long strings with double spins and shuffle thrown in there for good measure. LA was on as well. Sam C is smooth and has lots of nice variety. I think he's getting so good cause he's having fun with the sport. Pinkus was hitting his usual ridiculous toe symposium moves. Definitely will be the first player to hit symposium bladerunner and dunk at the same time. I just wanted to add one more thing. If you can make worlds this year, do it. The footbag community just continually amazes me with how many cool people are in it, and how fun they are to party with. Also, San Francisco is just an incredibly fun town, so when you combine those two things, you know worlds is going to be amazing. I only wish I could go, but I will return in a couple years with a Japanese contingent that will take worlds by storm! OK, hope some of y'all found this entertaining. I had a good time reminiscing what a fun jam this was. Keep shredding everybody! C-F NYFA From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:16:48 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA29419 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:16:48 -0700 Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA31566 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 11:10:15 -0800 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:08:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA88044561B2@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Philly Big Wave - final details Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 14:08:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Here's everything you should need to know regarding the Philly Big Wave freestyle jam that will be taking place April 12-13. Location: Newtown Athletic Club, Newtown PA Dates: 04/12/2002 and 04/13/2002 (where 04/13 is the main event) What it is: A freestyle jam.. a.k.a. shred til you drop.. kick the hacky a lot etc.. Itinerary: Friday 04/12/2002 - 8:30 p.m. til whenever in the Athletic Club gym.. This will be the warm up jam for players arriving early. The main event is the next day, but feel free to show up for this as well. Fee is $5 per person (mention the event to get this discount). Saturday 04/13/2002 - from 2:00-4:00 we'll be in the "Studio" at the Athletic Club. From 4:00-7:00 we'll be showcased in the Gym at the Athletic Club. Just mention our event and they'll direct you in the proper direction. Fee is $5 per person (mention the event to get this discount). Driving directions >From the PA turnpike: exit 28 route 1 north route 95 north Newtown exit (route 332) left off ramp onto 332 north take a right on to Penns Trail Road (the health club will be visible from route 332 at this point) Take first left into the lot for the Newtown Athletic Club (215-968-0600). Once inside, mention the footbag event. Cost is $5 per person. Disclaimer: We literally threw this event together about as fast as is possible... I don't want to "knock" it, but since things were so last minute for this, our accomodations aren't as plush as they were for the Chilly Philly. It will still be a blast.. I'm just saying.. Lodging: Email me if you need to stay over night. We'll try to work something out for you. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:22:22 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA29939 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:22:22 -0700 Received: from web11605.mail.yahoo.com (web11605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.57]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA10099 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:25:08 -0800 Message-ID: <20020406182504.70312.qmail@web11605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.27.107.19] by web11605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 10:25:04 PST Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 10:25:04 -0800 (PST) From: Ellis Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Selling out To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Baker wrote: > The day Nike or Babylon get involved in footbag is the day I stop. Yeah!!!! HAhahaha.... Babylon and footbag. HAhahaa. Stop playing footbag? WHO DO YOU PLAY FOR NOW, and why should that ever change? matt: > I would like to remind the people who said to say to corporations "go fuck yourself" did not > when Nike approached them... Nike is one of the worst corporations out there. Ok, first off. That was ME, not "the people". So you're obviously calling me a hypocrite and a sell out. Sure you have a point, but you are assuming that I and the rest of the team didn't have good reason for our decisions, some of which didn't apply to my statement. Plus, you are judging me and the scenario based on YOUR beliefs (I'm not sticking up for Nike, just sayin'). When I said "when the time comes for big companies to approach us", that was given the imaginary premise that footbag will already be making lots of money with its own companies from within (hence the "We don't even have that option at this point"). ...and again: > All I know is that I don't support Nike and if you are doing demo's for Nike then don't say that we should say fuck you to corporations. First, a major business power like Nike admitting to the inherent potential in footbag as a marketable, professional sport was a major step in footbag's promotion. Regardless of anyone's opinion about Nike, doing those demos exposed footbag to more people than any other demo EVER! Plus, at most events white people were the minority, which is really a positive step for the sport. Who knows, maybe there will be some ethnic diversity in the sport as result of all our work for Nike. Second, I didn't say "corporations". I said "big companies", referring to those who have nothing to do with athletics and just want to make money without any concern for the sport of its involvement. That's all I have to say. Ellis Piltz Flipsider, not for sale. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:22:54 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA30004 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:22:54 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f48.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.241.48]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA17036 for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:23:52 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 13:23:51 -0800 Received: from 24.69.10.150 by lw6fd.law6.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 21:23:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.69.10.150] From: "matt emmings" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Looking for the perfect fill Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 23:23:51 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2002 21:23:51.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[58F4C270:01C1DDB1] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I make sand filled footbags and am looking for something with the right consistency. eg. not sharp, not too fine, not too coarse. Regular sand just doesn't cut it. Reply personally. Thanks, Matt From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:24:51 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA30153 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:24:51 -0700 Received: from web14106.mail.yahoo.com (web14106.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.136]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id LAA21422 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:47:32 -0700 Message-ID: <20020407184732.82686.qmail@web14106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.6.7.253] by web14106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:47:32 PDT Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:47:32 -0700 (PDT) From: toby robinson Subject: [freestyle] Tropical mixer To: freestyle@list.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo what up all you freestyle heads. I wanted to invite you all to the TROPICAL MIXER birthday celebration for toby robinson & paul doxey Saturday April 13th afternoon to evening tiki party island attire BBQ (bring food) primitive tattoos & scarification drinking games hula firewalking 4 square It's going to be super fun, lots of live music, good eats, and 4 square. I'm painting my court today. I've been schooling my trippy serves so look out! IF any of you out there would like to come let me know. There's plenty of space to crash just bring bedding. On sunday after the party I want to shred (just as long as I can walk) so if your tired of debating adds and your looking for a little adventure and you want to check out the Nevada city scene, then put on your shoes and your Hawaiian shirt and join us. p.s. bring stuff for the grill and rum. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:26:36 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA30360 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:26:36 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f95.hotmail.com [216.32.181.95]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA23758 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:31:11 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:31:07 -0700 Received: from 208.254.119.99 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 19:31:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.254.119.99] From: Shawn Yeoman To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Clipper Help Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 14:31:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2002 19:31:07.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3B01100:01C1DE6A] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am very new to this. All I can do is a right foot toe delay and a left foot toe delay (Sometimes). I can also do a right foot inside delay and a left foot inside delay if I am lucky. Now I want to learn the clipper and I can't seem to do it. Does any one have any tips on how to be able to do it? any tip will help. Thanks From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:27:13 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA30488 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:27:13 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f58.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.58]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA27530 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:57:18 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:55:15 -0700 Received: from 12.150.88.83 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 20:55:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.150.88.83] From: "Calvin Brash" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Teaching Children Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 14:55:15 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2002 20:55:15.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[84AFDE70:01C1DE76] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Greetings everyone! I was asked to teach/help with a few Basic footbag classes at a local school and was wondering if anyone had any advice. They are going to be mostly 7th graders. I plan on teaching them the names of the kicks, basic stalls, and how to do them. The classes are going to be around an hour long and keeping there attention may be hard. I was thinking about teaching them that 4 square game. They will probably like that. That might take up 10 mins or so and the lecture/activity thing on the moves and how to do them will take 5-10 mins, along with what ever questions that might get asked. There will be some time spent on just circle kicking (practising their kicks). Anyone got some good ideas to get the kids in ta playing footbag? E-mail me! =) Oh bad thing is they are going to be sippa like bags that they will use. =S Thanks a million~ Calvin Brash ~Who ate my footbag? ;) From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 8 14:27:44 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA30552 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:27:44 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f265.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.143]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA15078 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:27:02 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:27:02 -0700 Received: from 161.184.29.215 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 16:27:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.29.215] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Slap me silly! Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 10:27:02 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2002 16:27:02.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[36D5A780:01C1DF1A] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone. I just noticed that my list is seriously lacking in Slapping set stuff. A lot of this stuff is pretty easy. I can't hit any of it, but how much of this stuff has actually been hit? There's a couple of Quantum set things too. I'm also looking for more Bubba set stuff. I realize now that not too much stuff can be hit from bubba. Also, anything that ends on Grifter (Reverse Drifter). Thanks everyone! slapping pickup slapping illusion slapping mirage slapping whirl slapping drifter Slapping torque Quantum torque Quantum Blender So, if you've hit this stuff, let me know! Thanks, Dylan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 9 14:47:58 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA27394 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:47:58 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA12349 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:00:12 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GU907201XXR53@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 18:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GU9071BIXXRKP@clem.mscd.edu>; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 18:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 17:54:12 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Advice for spinning moves? To: freestyle , Jeremy Mirken Message-id: <3C9CFD34@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org My advice for almost any move or concept you are skooling is to practice it without the bag. I think it helps with figuring balance and stability as well as helping to visualize what you are actually supposed to do when you have the bag. My second piece of advice regarding spins comes from a post that someone made long ago..."spin faster" Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 9 14:47:23 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA27367 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:47:23 -0700 Received: from p08.es.uci.edu (p08.es.uci.edu [128.200.73.148]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA05543 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:52:41 -0700 From: eugene.kim"eckim@uci.edu" Received: from webmail3.es.uci.edu (webmail3.es.uci.edu [128.200.73.13]) by p08.es.uci.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g38Nqb021369 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:52:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 16:52:41 -0800 Message-Id: <1018309961.smmsdV1.1.2@smtp.uci.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Video archives? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does anyone other than footbag.org and .de have extensive video clips? I know there are videos for sale out there, but being a poor college student, funds are in the negative. I just wanted to see some of these new moves everyone is talking about (your mom etc.) thanks --eugene kim From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 9 14:48:35 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA27417 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:48:35 -0700 Received: from web20513.mail.yahoo.com (web20513.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.44]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id XAA22738 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 2002 23:56:50 -0700 Message-ID: <20020409012317.87318.qmail@web20513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.226.142.63] by web20513.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 18:23:17 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:23:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Caleb Abraham Subject: [freestyle] Soccer and footbag? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list, I was wondering if any other of you stylers have done multiple sports while in footbag? I love soccer, and am a key player in my team. But I do remember going through a footbag slump during last season. I was wondering if anyone knows if excessive running and activity could affect muscle memory like weight lifting does? Obviously i won't be able to put in my usual shred time but could i still shred to my abilities? Say if i jog about 2 miles a day after my sessions, will my moves and techniques begin to wither to unclean sets and things. As always footbag comes first, but i only want to quit soccer if it really will affect my game. Live to Shred, Shred to Live, Caleb Abraham From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 9 14:49:20 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA27464 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:49:20 -0700 Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA04602 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:12:40 -0700 Received: from storefull-2194.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2194.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.213.68]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id F1942C6C; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2194.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id IAA26684; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:12:39 -0700 (PDT) X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR88/E3b1kE2JT4wutpeYZr0t3KZgIUTHPR6GwTMTjNSRe3hERiJLJd4g8= From: GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:12:39 -0400 (EDT) To: matthewl329@aol.com Cc: spyderman888@hotmail.com (Jonathan Wilson), freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbags Message-ID: <16852-3CB304E7-177@storefull-2194.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: matthewl329@aol.com's message of Fri, 05 Apr 2002 04:30:35 -0500 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List! >"Basically, you can't stop people from >scuffing." A 4 panel Revolution will take a LOT of "scuffing". It is easier on carpet, but can be done on any surface. I have been doing toe-ups with mine for over a year. They are made in USA. They are inexpensive. GF From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 10 13:57:18 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA03260 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:57:18 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f116.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.116]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA31251 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:42:31 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:42:31 -0700 Received: from 161.184.29.134 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:42:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.29.134] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: GFSmoothie@webtv.net, matthewl329@aol.com Cc: spyderman888@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbags Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:42:31 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2002 22:42:31.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5AA4520:01C1E017] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >A 4 panel Revolution will take a LOT of "scuffing". It is easier on >carpet, but can be done on any surface. I have been doing toe-ups with >mine for over a year. They are made in USA. They are inexpensive. Too true my friend! However.... Any other 4-panel risks an easy death from scuffing. Dirtbags and Sandmasters and the like. I know from experience as I've gone through three or four bags this way by not letting people know the "rules of the bag". This proves again that Revos are the best for sand-filled 4-panel bags, but you should still refrain from toe-starting on surfaces like concrete and asphalt, cuz no bag is totally safe from rips on surfaces like these. Dylan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 10 13:58:16 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA03326 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:58:16 -0700 Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA04493 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:05:50 -0700 From: Andrew Coleman Received: from CrazyHackier@cs.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.a.1d1c6cef (24897) for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:05:25 EDT Subject: [freestyle] BAP and The Beast To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 122 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does anyone know where i can find an official list of all the members in the BAP or could someone possibly send one to me? Also, what moves did the first "Beast" consist of? Thank you good. -Andrew Coleman From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 10 13:58:58 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA03381 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:58:58 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA05104 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:21:31 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GUB01A01SZVIK@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:21:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GUB01A0RSZVHA@clem.mscd.edu>; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:21:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:02:38 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Footbags To: freestyle , GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) Message-id: <3C9DBD4D@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From GFSmoothie@webtv.net (Greg Nelson) ===== >A 4 panel Revolution will take a LOT of "scuffing". It is easier on >carpet, but can be done on any surface. I have been doing toe-ups with >mine for over a year. They are made in USA. They are inexpensive. I disagree with this. For the Freestyler who knows better than to scuff hard it may be possible to avoid holes, but in a circle of "hacky sackers" the bag gets beat to $h!t when scuffing. I think the Doe Suede material holds up better than the Crushed Penne, but it's still sensative material. The good part is that the bags are MUCH cheaper to replace than facile bags an even with scuffing you can go through 5 or 6 bags and still have paid less than a good facile bag. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 10 14:00:32 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA03559 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:00:32 -0700 Received: from web11604.mail.yahoo.com (web11604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.56]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id UAA16358 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:37:51 -0700 Message-ID: <20020410033750.9801.qmail@web11604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.27.107.19] by web11604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:37:50 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:37:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellis Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Regrets To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey footbaggers, I just want to say that I may have said some inappropriate and/or inaccurate stuff lately, and I am sorry for having such a big mouth; I don't know what got into me. I'm going to be quiet now Ellis Piltz Flipsider From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 10 14:01:10 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA03636 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:01:10 -0700 Received: from pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-13.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.13]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA17103 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:00:21 -0700 Received: from pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr4so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.215]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GUC001GW34HCC@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml8so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.152]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GUC00N7034I0H@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from k1 (h24-70-219-33.gv.shawcable.net [24.70.219.33]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GUC00KNC34HZS@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2002 22:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:04:27 -0700 From: Allan Haggett Subject: Re: [freestyle] Advice for spinning moves? To: freestyle list Cc: Jeremy Mirken Message-id: <002401c1e044$cf2e4ac0$21db4618@gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3C9CFD34@webmail> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I tend to think of spins, in the same way that I would any other move, as being composed of a set and a finish. The set isn't a dex, it's a spin. For both inspinning and double spinning you must complete the first spin and spot the bag before it reachs it's apex. Then the rest of the spin just follows depending on what you want to do. Steve G. had some good advice to someone about spins a few years back... someone had given the advice to spin sooner after the bag leaves your foot, and he responded that you really just need to spin faster. In order to spin faster look at the mechanics of a figure skater doing spins. The closer and tighter you keep your arms to your body the tighter and faster your spin is. So a good rule of thumb would be to try to pull your arms into your body as you set, so that you can pull around fast enough to catch the bag still on its way up. So, if you dissect what move you want to do then you determine what the set will have to be. For example, a double spinning osis is really a spinning[set] - inspinning osis. So you have to go for a spinning osis set, spot the bag, plant the feet, and throw your arms into the inspinning osis at the end. I can't stress enough the importance of using your arms to dictate spin speed as well as balance. Putting a little blind faith into knowing your going to catch the bag doesn't hurt either. As for foot placement, I attempted to describe this, but it came out jibberish. Slow-mo Lon Smith and watch what he does. Peace, -Allan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 10 14:02:34 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA03726 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:02:34 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f153.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.153]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA02493 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 05:18:19 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 05:18:14 -0700 Received: from 63.60.196.46 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:18:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.60.196.46] From: "Jeremy O'Wheel" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Setting up a club Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:18:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2002 12:18:14.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9F0FE00:01C1E089] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys. I'm setting up a footbag club in my home town of Ulverstone, Tasmania Australia and I was wondering if any of you guys could give me some tips about things I need worry about etc. Keep hacking Vortex P.S. Is there a name for a dimwalk without a plant toe stall > same in (no plant)> op out > op clipper. Thanks From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 11 10:35:42 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA28602 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:35:42 -0700 Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA11022 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:41:24 -0700 Received: from [192.168.2.32] ([12.250.116.15]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020410224119.CYIP21252.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.2.32]>; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:41:19 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:48:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbags From: Scott Davidson To: Dylan Livingston CC: Freestyle Listserv Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! On 4/9/02 5:42 PM, "Dylan Livingston" wrote: >> A 4 panel Revolution will take a LOT of "scuffing". It is easier on >> carpet, but can be done on any surface. I have been doing toe-ups with >> mine for over a year. They are made in USA. They are inexpensive. I have found that since the Revolution's are machine sewn, they tend to lose less sand and the seams hold up better to abuse such as toe-ups on concrete They are great in the wind too. That's if Made in USA by shredders and affordable isn't enough reason. The most compelling reason though is that they are ready to shred with, right out of the package. You lose one, no problem, no waiting months to break in a footbag. Just whip out a new revolution and you are ready to go. But be ready to kick with anything, you don't want adverse effects when you jump into a circle and are so conditioned to use one kind of footbag that you can't perform with another kind. Go Shred! Smoothie: it was awesome to shred in Ann Arbor this past weekend! What a rush! See ya! Scott Davidson. Enlightener. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 11 10:40:05 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA28828 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:40:05 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f75.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.75]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA01824 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:40:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:40:45 -0700 Received: from 68.42.129.38 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:40:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.42.129.38] From: "Thomas Boutorwick" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] BAP and The Beast Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:40:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2002 05:40:45.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D72A100:01C1E11B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Jeremy. Toe stall > same in (no plant)> op out > op clipper, as far as i know is a dada, or a toe dada. There you go! TJ 'Tbag' >From: "Jeremy O'Wheel" >Subject: [freestyle] Setting up a club > >Is there a name for a dimwalk without a plant toe stall > same in (no >plant)> op out > op clipper. Thanks From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 11 10:41:33 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA28886 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:41:33 -0700 Received: from pd5mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-13.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.13]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA04295 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:16:34 -0700 Received: from pd5mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.233]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GUE0011S6VGXH@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:16:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml7so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.151]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GUE00BBK6VGTZ@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:16:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from k1 (h24-70-219-33.gv.shawcable.net [24.70.219.33]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GUE00BI06U1PB@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:20:42 -0700 From: Allan Haggett Subject: Re: [freestyle] Free CSS 3 shred flick To: freestyle list Message-id: <001b01c1e129$6428f8c0$21db4618@gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org OK, so I just couldn't stand to support two companies that I hate and not offer an alternative. So here it is: http://www.freefootbag.org/css3/css3.mpg It's 57 megs (*considerably* better than I thought it would be), and the audio has some issues, but the pic quality is good. I *love* being sleep deprived. Peace y'all -A From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Apr 14 09:13:34 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA18608 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 09:13:34 -0700 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA28295 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:09:50 -0700 Received: from attbi.com ([12.239.81.29]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020412010945.VVB1901.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:09:45 +0000 Message-ID: <3CB635EA.B4C32C75@attbi.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:18:34 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] BAP and The Beast References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thomas Boutorwick wrote: > > Toe stall > same in (no plant)> op out > op clipper, as far as > i know is a dada, or a toe dada. There you go! A dada starts with a mirage - whether you set it from clipper or toe... But yeah, the move is *like* a dada. The symposium add doesn't count in there, so it is a four - just like dimwalk. Maybe it is just a different style of dimwalk? Who knows? I'd probably count it unique from a dimwalk... if I were judging. Later. -Derric DFC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Apr 14 09:14:25 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA18644 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 09:14:25 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f71.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.71]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA17740 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 05:01:46 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 05:01:45 -0700 Received: from 128.214.157.166 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:01:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.214.157.166] From: "Samuli Viitanen" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Footbag freestyle etiquette (was: Re:[freestyle] Footbags) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:01:44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2002 12:01:45.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1290230:01C1E219] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello list! When I saw this post, I just HAD to say something about this thread... >Jonathan Wilson said: > > "Basically, you can't stop people from scuffing." > Matt Cross replied: > >Dear John, > >Stop them from scuffing, period. I agree 100% with both of you guys!!! It's totally irritating when you have a brand new delicate 32 panel facile bag (or an older one, which is at its best) and people start making toe pick-ups. It's just like you have a new car and your friend wants to try driving it for a couple of miles. Then after the three-minute joyride, the friend comes back and the car has got a few dints and scrapes on the side. Very polite. People: Stop making toe pick-ups!!! A little aside from the topic (now that I'm in the correct bad-ass mood;), I'd like to mention self-serving in circle play. It's a bad habit and something that should be got rid of. It's important not to self-serve, especially when you're playing with new people you've just met! It's all about respecting the people you're playing with. Self-serving is quite the same, if you'd meet new people and not greet and shake hands with them. No one of us is of course perfect, everyone of us sometimes self-serve oneself, but when someone does it constantly, it's a circle play etiquette mistake, on my opinion. I'd like to hear comments from other players about this self-serving thing, just to make shure I haven't spoke a big mouthful of rubbish. Mail me or the list. Samuli Viitanen Finnsta From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 15 18:48:47 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA14894 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:48:47 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 14:11:23 -0700 Received: from 67.193.157.116 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:11:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.193.157.116] From: "Glenn Gentzke" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:11:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2002 21:11:23.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE4DB870:01C1E3F8] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Self-serving has its place when you're with a couple friends freestyling and you're trying to nail that one elusive whatever, but in general it should never be done in a circle, especially with new players. it gets really annoying and even moreso if someone's antsy for their turn. I remember the first time id ever met people who constantly self-served was in a freestyle circle at Worlds 2000 and i thought it seemed really rude at first but got used to it. ~Glenn "BoZ" Gentzke From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 15 18:48:47 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA14887 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:48:47 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GUK01X01PMVD1@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GUK01X0JPMV6A@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:28:19 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette To: freestyle Message-id: <3CA02072@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Samuli Viitanen ===== >I'd like to mention self-serving in circle play. It's a bad habit and >something that should be got rid of. It's important not to self-serve, >especially when you're playing with new people you've just met! CIRCLE ETIQUETTE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. Every Styler must learn it and teach others. I personally follow a pretty easy rule. REMEMBER WHERE YOU ARE AND WHO YOU ARE WITH. It means that when you are kicking with your normal crew and if they don't care, because it's totally informal or a skool session then it's okay to self-serve. Even then you should not do it OVERANDOVERANDOVER. 1 or 2 at the max. However, when new people come into the circle for whatever reason then the self-serving STOPS. Also, if you are an out-of-towner or at a tournament then you absolutely should not self serve until you get a feel for how the circle works. Often times the next person will tell you to keep it or even toss it back to you. DON'T GET LAZY AND FORGET. It's just not nice. As for Toe Scuffing, most Hacky Sackers think it's a cool trick, but you need to stop them. Just the other day I was "Hacky Sacking" and we were using my sweet new Abshire bag. Luckily the kid who tried to scuff it missed the first time so I was able to catch him before he tried again. Just let them down nicely and explain how tender the bag is. If they ignore you then leave the circle with your bag or put it in your pocket and ask if they have one. Simple enough. Later, Brad [Moderator's Note: STOP YELLING. :-) I can hear you just fine... -SG] From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 15 18:50:23 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA15022 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:50:23 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) id <0GUK01W01OU1CX@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GUK01SMBOU19R@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:11:01 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Millenium 2's no longer on Adidas site... To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <3CA01ECC@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just found out that Adidas no longer has the M2's on their site. Does anyone know where else I can get a pair? Thanks, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 15 18:50:24 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA15024 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:50:24 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:35:21 -0700 Received: from 216.207.95.240 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:35:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.207.95.240] From: "Jonathan Wilson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:35:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2002 23:35:21.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[0ADF2AF0:01C1E40D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I pretty much agree. The group that I play with has always had the rule that self serving doesn't matter. But if I'm ever playing with another group, self serving is out of the question. Jonathan Wilson From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 15 18:51:24 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA15134 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:51:24 -0700 Received: from w2w6m6 (cein177186.ceinetworks.com [216.169.177.186]) by f05n15.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA236092; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:06:32 -0400 From: "Jeremy Shinoda" To: Cc: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Carlos_=28Pipo=29_A._L=F3pez?=" , "Roberto Rodriguez" Subject: [freestyle] Footbag in Puerto Rico Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:07:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just got back from 4 days in Puerto Rico where I had the privilege of playing freestyle and net with members of the Boriken Footbag Club www.futvoleibol.com: Carlos (Pipo) Lopez, Jesus Babilonia, and Roberto Rodriguez. These guys were skilled players and gracious hosts. If you're ever planning on going to beautiful Puerto Rico, look these guys up. It's amazing how the sport of footbag can bring people together. Muchisimas gracias y me dio mucho gusto conocerles. If you guys ever come to the states, I hope I can show you the same hospitality you showed me. -Jeremy From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 15 18:57:05 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA15485 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:57:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:22:42 -0700 Received: from 210.49.200.124 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:22:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.49.200.124] From: "Fil Kindblad" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:22:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: