From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 1 19:56:33 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA25576 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 1 May 2002 19:56:33 -0700 Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA32117 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:45:08 -0700 Received: from 66-214-129-219.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.net ([66.214.129.219] helo=sam) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 172jB5-00036g-00; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:45:07 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c1efe8$993dcd60$db81d642@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Greg Nelson" , References: <16311-3CCC8553-2363@storefull-2198.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ducking the issue Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:44:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Diving oposite is already called zulu. Ducking same side is weaving so I hear. -samurai ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: [freestyle] Ducking the issue > Hey freestyle list! > > I just wanted to pass along some terminology on ducks thought up by Adam > Keith. Enjoy! > gf > > Ducking: Opposite side duck. (e.g. right side of the body > duck from > right to left > left side of the body). Over the neck only. > > Dodging: Same side duck. (e.g. right side of the body > duck from left > to > right > right side of the body). Under the head then back over the neck. > > Diving: Same side dive. (e.g. right side of the body > duck from right > to > left > right side of the body). Over the neck then back under the head. > > Darting: Opposite side dive. (e.g. right side of the body > duck from > left > to right > left side of the body). Under the head, back over the neck, > then > back under the head. > > This cleans up the old definitions of ducking and diving (meaning that > they are determined regardless of where it is set from, but instead how > it is performed after the bag is in the air). They are in alphabetical > order so they are easier to remember. > > Butterfly example (from clip set): > Ducking Butterfly = Ducking Infinity > Dodging Butterfly = Ducking same Butterfly Diving Butterfly = Diving > same Butterfly Darting Butterfly = Diving Infinity > Double Down combinations: > Ducking Barfly > Darting Barfly = Zulu de Loup > Ducking Paradon > Darting Paradon > Dodging Double Over Down > Diving Double Over Down > Dodging Down Double Down > Diving Down Double Down = Down Diver > From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 1 19:55:43 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA25512 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 1 May 2002 19:55:43 -0700 Received: from herald.cc.purdue.edu (herald.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.11.29]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA31756 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:37:51 -0700 Received: from rewind (dsl-237-a.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.174.194]) by herald.cc.purdue.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/herald) with ESMTP id g411ba1Y029815 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:37:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Mike Williams" To: Subject: [freestyle] Shredding in Bay Harbor, MI Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:43:23 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c1f0b1$94adf2b0$c2aed380@rewind> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List, I'm going to be in the Bay Harbor/Petoskey area of MI this summer. Anyone from around there? Searching for someone to kick with. Reply privately, Mike Williams mpwilliams@purdue.edu From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 1 19:59:20 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA25801 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 1 May 2002 19:59:20 -0700 Received: from mail6.bigmailbox.com (mail6.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.37]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA32340 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:48:20 -0700 Received: (from www@localhost) by mail6.bigmailbox.com (8.11.6/8.10.0) id g410mpA32312; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:48:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:48:51 -0700 Message-Id: <200205010048.g410mpA32312@mail6.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [24.128.13.123] From: Neil Bornstein To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hitting things from a pincher Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org So far I've got rolling down to heel, shooting it out, dropping to a jester, kicking the pinchering shin with the opposite leg, and crossing your foot in front of you to let it roll down your calf, and off to an opposite toe jester. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 1 20:03:50 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA26060 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:03:50 -0700 Received: from web20905.mail.yahoo.com (web20905.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.227]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id TAA01530 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:13:56 -0700 Message-ID: <20020501021356.22521.qmail@web20905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.108.212.128] by web20905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:13:56 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:13:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Nodi Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok, well, I'll start off by saying that I'm not all that great, so I haven't really had the chance to "hang with the big boys" much, but I think I know enough about this to say something. I think that when you are in a hacky sack circle, then it's pretty much ok to go on for a few times. And in a freestyle circle, you SHOULD do less, because, a lot of times, its not the "etiquette" of playing that gets you, but having the eyes on you also. If it's a big trick, and you have never seen it before, then maybe just one time you can try to fool around, but if you still "wanna get better" then practice on your own time, too. Repeating the same thing over and over is redundant, because, if you are still "playing the joke" then you know you're not gonna land it. All the staring eyes on you are expecting you to land it after a few tries, or stop hoggin. yep mike From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 1 20:05:10 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA26153 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:05:10 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f64.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.64]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA04703 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:58:41 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:58:41 -0700 Received: from 24.205.247.98 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 May 2002 02:58:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.205.247.98] From: "Jonathan Wilson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Advice on dexterities? Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:58:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2002 02:58:41.0618 (UTC) FILETIME=[198B9320:01C1F0BC] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I need some advice on doing dexterities. Right now I can't even get an Around the World. But on the tips there, it says it won't help with dexterities. Right now I'm trying to do a trick I saw on the list, but can't remember the name. I'll try to remember the notation for it. clip > same (dex) in > op toe. I think the notation is right, but if not I think you get what the trick is anyway. So can anybody help me out? From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 1 20:07:11 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA26275 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:07:11 -0700 Received: from tig-msxproto1.tig.mizzou.edu (tig-msxproto1.tig.mizzou.edu [128.206.7.41]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA10566 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:16:28 -0700 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Would like some freestyle tips Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 00:13:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1E68BBF368521A498EA50DEDB61120900492AF65@tiger-mail02.mizzou.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [freestyle] Would like some freestyle tips Thread-Index: AcHwzvxQTLDxCuC+QvGUf0JMOqVy4g== From: "Senger, Steven Michael" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by llic.net id WAA10566 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'd definitely like a few freestyle pointers too. I've been kicking off and on for a few years now and I still can't hit anything harder than a few basic stalls. Any excersizes or practice/warmup routines would be a great help as well. I'm from Missouri, so there's not just a whole lot of serious kicking around here. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -steven From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 1 20:09:43 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA26470 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:09:43 -0700 Received: from web20607.mail.yahoo.com (web20607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.165]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id XAA12346 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:12:24 -0700 Message-ID: <20020501061223.46616.qmail@web20607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.62.153.17] by web20607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:12:23 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:12:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Dat Phan Subject: [freestyle] Rod Laver sale To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just noticed lavers are now going for only 48.95 + 6 bucks shipping at footmart at worldfootbag.com. Seems like a good time to replace my smelly old lavers. Dat From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 1 20:10:21 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA26543 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:10:21 -0700 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA14896 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 01:07:01 -0700 Received: from attbi.com ([12.239.81.29]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020501080701.KNTR9799.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@attbi.com>; Wed, 1 May 2002 08:07:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3CCFA299.CCDC881A@attbi.com> Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 03:08:57 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Burn Childs CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Name for this move? References: <20020427015547.ODSF8969.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@burn-a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Burn Childs wrote: > > i was wondering what this was called? > > toe > same in > no plant while op out > same toe It is a pixie legover. The "no plant while" part of the move doesn't change it, so you don't really need to put it in the notation - unless you want to emphasize the stylistic difference. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 1 20:11:22 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA26645 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:11:22 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f248.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.248]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA03545 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 08:05:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 May 2002 08:04:49 -0700 Received: from 209.115.237.234 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 May 2002 15:04:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.115.237.234] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: GFSmoothie@webtv.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ducking the issue Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 09:04:49 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2002 15:04:49.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A2945E0:01C1F121] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I just wanted to pass along some terminology on ducks thought up by Adam >Keith. Enjoy! >gf Hey all. I agree that we need four different definitions, but I've heard different ones. Ducking, Diving, Weaving, and Zulu are the four I've heard of. Ducking is just a duck under the bag. Diving is a dive over the bag, then a duck under the bag. Weaving is a duck under the bag, then a dive over the bag. Zulu is a dive over the bag, a duck under the bag, then another dive over the bag. Far as I can tell, Weaving and Zulu are the same idea as dodging and Darting, but I've never heard of dodging and Darting. That's what I know. Ie: ripped warrior (Stepping Ducking butterfly, Step>Duck>Op Butter) Jacknife (Stepping Diving Butterfly, Step>Dive>Same Butter) Zulu Warrior (Stepping Zulu Butterfly, Step>Dive>Op Butter) Weaving Butterfly (Ducking Same butterfly, Duck>Same Butter) Which system do most people use? Dylan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 1 20:12:22 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA26749 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:12:22 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA21786 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 19:03:51 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) id <0GVG07301JIT2N@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 01 May 2002 18:18:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GVG071GSJITXV@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 01 May 2002 18:18:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 17:59:05 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Hitting things from a pincher To: freestyle Message-id: <3CC6A569@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Neil Bornstein ===== >And I'm looking for new ways to get out of a pincher stall, so far I have four.... any suggestions? Well it wouldn't have helped if you listed the four so as to eliminate repeats, but here's a list of ones' I've done in the past. I've listed them under the assumption that there is a dex involved from the set. Whether or not their actually is...I don't know. ATW Double ATW Butterfly Drifter Smear Torque DLO From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 1 20:13:34 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA26848 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:13:34 -0700 Received: from m22.boston.juno.com (m22.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.85]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA24632 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 19:43:12 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"stHo5BQddtEjcrVLw9PkWzwx92FMpDtKGZ2e9HAZla5JRcPi3Cj/gw=="> Received: (from flutefreak7@juno.com) by m22.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GZR7XZSX; Wed, 01 May 2002 22:42:09 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 22:40:25 -0400 Subject: [freestyle] Novice, Intermediate, Open? Message-ID: <20020501.224026.4808.0.flutefreak7@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-11 From: Brett N Ables Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I was just wondering if someone could give me an idea of where the fuzzy line is drawn between the different ability categories: novice, intermediate and open. I'm particularly interested in the distinction between novice and intermediate. What kind of freestyle moves? What are some average consecutive numbers people in the different categories get? For one thing I'm very curious about the sport (keyword being "sport" rather than game), and second I want to see where I would fit into the big scheme of things out in the footbag world. Thanks! Brett Ables "Bables" Pain is temporary. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 1 20:41:31 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA29018 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:41:31 -0700 Received: from I (dhcp212.llic.net [209.125.90.212]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA29015 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 20:41:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@209.125.90.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020501.224026.4808.0.flutefreak7@juno.com> References: <20020501.224026.4808.0.flutefreak7@juno.com> Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:41:28 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Novice, Intermediate, Open? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Novice = neved played or competed before. Intermediate = actually in the process of learning and want to get experience Open = established player, wishes to compete against top players. We almost *never* offer "novice freestyle" competition. There'd really be no point. It'd just be a bunch of people wasting their time watching some kids kick a few times and drop. :-) The level you choose to compete at is in your mind, not in the mind of others. If you want to compete against the top players in the world, you go "open". If you want to compete against other people who are still learning and who are in the same boat of not yet wanting to see how they will do relative to Carol or Ryan, but are more interested in just getting some experience competing, then you go "intermediate". Steve At 10:40 PM -0400 5/1/02, Brett N Ables wrote: >Hey, I was just wondering if someone could give me an idea of where the >fuzzy line is drawn between the different ability categories: novice, >intermediate and open. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 2 06:47:03 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA18847 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 2 May 2002 06:47:03 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA31398 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 21:20:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA101672 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 21:20:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 21:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sunil S. Jani" To: freestyle list Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette In-Reply-To: <20020501021356.22521.qmail@web20905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Footbag Fiends: I find this thread repulsive. I can hear the Enforcer retching from across the country. Back in the day, before my time, I have heard that Shults would break your shin if he ever saw you self toss. It is simple as this... NO SELF SERVING in public or at tournaments... PERIOD. What you do on your own time or own turf is your own business. However, when you are at an event or are out and about, there should be a higher standard since you not only represent yourself, but the sport of footbag. I am not saying that anyone is perfect or that I have never self served, but it really should be as clean and simple as this... just don't do it. Its crap. Crap. Crap. Trash. We shred in a circle... the less we all self toss... the faster the bag will come around again. -Sunil S. Jani On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Mike Nodi wrote: > Ok, well, I'll start off by saying that I'm not all that > great, so I haven't really had the chance to "hang with > the big boys" much, but I think I know enough about > this to say something. I think that when you are in a > hacky sack circle, then it's pretty much ok to go on > for a few times. And in a freestyle circle, you SHOULD > do less, because, a lot of times, its not the > "etiquette" of playing that gets you, but having the > eyes on you also. If it's a big trick, and you have > never seen it before, then maybe just one time you can > try to fool around, but if you still "wanna get > better" then practice on your own time, too. Repeating > the same thing over and over is redundant, because, if > you are still "playing the joke" then you know you're > not gonna land it. All the staring eyes on you are > expecting you to land it after a few tries, or stop > hoggin. yep > > mike > From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 2 06:53:49 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA19448 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 2 May 2002 06:53:49 -0700 Received: from safeaccess.com (joseph.safeaccess.com [209.145.202.2]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA02186 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 22:23:27 -0700 Received: from toppers [209.145.194.8] by safeaccess.com (SMTPD32-7.07) id AED1402700CA; Wed, 01 May 2002 22:29:53 -0700 Message-ID: <009401c1f199$9189c4e0$0100a8c0@toppers> From: Kit Topper To: References: <3CC6A569@webmail> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hitting things from a pincher Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 22:24:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > >===== Original Message From Neil Bornstein ===== > >And I'm looking for new ways to get out of a pincher stall, so far I have > four.... any suggestions? And then Brad Kaplan stated: > Well it wouldn't have helped if you listed the four so as to eliminate > repeats, but here's a list of ones' I've done in the past. > I've listed them under the assumption that there is a dex involved from > the set. Whether or not their actually is...I don't know. > > ATW > Double ATW > Butterfly > Drifter > Smear > Torque > DLO I would disagree with the idea of counting dexterity for the pinching set. Does anybody know the "official" guideline for this? However, if you ARE getting a dexterity from the pincher set, I'm assuming it's a pixie style (same in) dex. In which case I don't think it's actually a Torque to go pinch > op osis, because a pixie osis isn't a torque either... it has to be set from the opposite leg, otherwise there's really no "torquing" involved. So it should be called pinch osis. And the same would go for the DLO; that's really a pinch leg over. Correct? Kit From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 2 06:54:36 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA19525 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 2 May 2002 06:54:36 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f132.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.132]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA05322 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 23:52:15 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 May 2002 23:52:15 -0700 Received: from 24.64.223.204 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 May 2002 06:52:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.64.223.204] From: "Jubal Hume" To: csallog@mail.uti.hu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 23:52:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2002 06:52:15.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4EADE60:01C1F1A5] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Gergo Csallo >a brave Intermediate player :) "respect all players..." at any skill level..and respect non players too..remember it's supposed to be FUN.. :-) I think that the newer players should get to play for around the same amount of time as a pro..or guiltless run level player.. I agree with you..also remember..and this is to all, that it is "freestyle' not Rule style....that's for the mat when you are up competing..the rest is up to each circle as it plays...just keep in mind that everyone must stay 'warm' and as he said.."be respectful'... nuf said I think.. and enjoy it as you let others enjoy it too... Jubal Hume From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 2 06:55:12 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA19629 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 2 May 2002 06:55:12 -0700 Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA17521 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 06:21:15 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 2 May 2002 09:19:16 -0400 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA880445646D@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:18:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm not sure where the confusion on etiquette started. In my opinion, self serves are not ok unless: 1) You're playing by yourself. OR 2) You're playing with your practice partner(s) and you have all agreed that during *practice* self serves are OK. Even in this instance abuse of self serve really sucks -- playing partners may be too nice to "call" you on your ball hogging. OR 3) You're about to pass it on, and the next player in the circle says "Keep it.. try again". In any other situation, pass it on when (preferably before) you drop it. A lot of times if you dropped it right away the next player will give a courtesy pass back (although this is by no means required). If you drop it on the very first trick every single time, you just need to put some more time in practicing on your own. I'm pretty sure this is how it's always been and I think this is how it should continue to be. Bob Riefer Philly Footworks From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 2 14:41:36 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA20419 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:41:36 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f228.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.228]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA05043 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:25:01 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:24:55 -0700 Received: from 24.64.223.204 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 May 2002 18:24:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.64.223.204] From: "Jubal Hume" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:24:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2002 18:24:55.0848 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8C7DA80:01C1F206] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org this was said.... >From: "Riefer, Robert" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >I'm not sure where the confusion on etiquette started. In my opinion, >self>serves are not ok unless:>1) You're playing by yourself.>OR>2) You're >playing with your practice partner(s) and you have all agreed that>during >*practice* self serves are OK. Even in this instance abuse of self>serve >really sucks -- playing partners may be too nice to "call" you on your>ball >hogging.>OR>3) You're about to pass it on, and the next player in the >circle says "Keep>it.. try again".>In any other situation, pass it on when >(preferably before) you drop it. A>lot of times if you dropped it right >away the next player will give a>courtesy pass back (although this is by no >means required). If you drop it>on the very first trick every single time, >you just need to put some more>time in practicing on your own. I'm pretty >sure this is how it's always>been and I think this is how it should >continue to be. My comments on it all... Well all..it seems to me that there is altogether too much talk on etiquette and circle play..LOL.. I think that if 10% of this energy went to promoting the game..then it would be much more well known and ..fun..but how will it ever work when people can't just have a blast playing for fun?..I mean, who wants to play a game where the first thing you hear is.."you can't do this.." or " you have to pass now"..because I won't give you the courtesy of waiting a few seconds".. Now don't get me wrong all..I get annoyed too when some people don't pass it on when they should..but is that not what we all need to work on? acceptance? and understanding?..the world is a big place and there are many people in it..so it's up to us..the cutting edge of this brand new activity, to dispel the old ways and attitudes...to prove that this sport/art is a step in the right direction..that we as people Evolve from being Involved with it..so if we can't just do it..then there really is a problem.. I suggest that if you want to play with rulz..then do so..but try to be accepting of everyone's manner of play..watch and learn...the Pros too!.. I have leaned from newbie's..as they learn from me..so..Just play the game/art and all is good..Do not get SO absorbed in the rulz that you forget why you started playing in the first place...Remember?..way back when?..It was Fun..and it still is fun because of its structure and it's lack of structure at the same time.. well nuf said..peace and kicks fer all who are not out with injuries ..lol.. ciao and.. play nice kids! Jubal Hume [oh ya..be careful too..some moves are just not worth it..:-( ] From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 2 14:43:00 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA20522 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:43:00 -0700 Received: from pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA17633 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:01:37 -0700 Received: from pd4mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr4so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.215]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVI00DK61S87I@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 02 May 2002 13:50:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml1so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml1so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.145]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVI00CG61S82W@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 02 May 2002 13:50:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from k1 (h24-70-219-33.gv.shawcable.net [24.70.219.33]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GVI008UY1S8MP@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Thu, 02 May 2002 13:50:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 12:50:04 -0700 From: Allan Haggett Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: <003501c1f212$8e01f2b0$21db4618@k1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Self serving sucks. Self serving takes the fun out of the game. Self serving is disrespectful to everyone in the circle including yourself. You shouldn't self serve even if you're playing by yourself ;.) Every game has rules. Rules can make things more fun for everyone participating by ensuring that everyone gets a fair try, every try. If you are paying attention, then you know that when person A just had a 30 second shred and person B gets that bag, kicks it twice, drops it, picks it up and passes it to you, that you really should pass the bag back to person B. You do this knowing that if they botch again, then they will pass it right back to you. If you get the bag and you botch out, you can all but presume that when you pass it immediately, that the next person will be with it enough to give you a second chance. I only like playing 'no second chances' when it applies to everyone. I believe the act of passing the bag is a symbolic gesture of respect to the nature of the game. Do you think shredding is an entirely indiviual endeavour? The only time I stop passing back this is when that person continuily self serves. "Anarchy" has no place in any level's circle. This applies to hack slack circles and shred circles alike. Hello, my name is Allan............ and... I.. am a Self server. Allan Haggett President, Self-Server's Anonymous (14 months sober) From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:00:39 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03104 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:00:39 -0700 Received: from hotlunch (aoh1545ey409k.bc.hsia.telus.net [66.183.56.238]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA30341 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 16:26:46 -0700 Received: from sabetts by hotlunch with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 173Q3B-00007o-00 for ; Thu, 02 May 2002 16:31:49 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Would like some freestyle tips References: <1E68BBF368521A498EA50DEDB61120900492AF65@tiger-mail02.mizzou.edu> From: Shawn Betts Date: 02 May 2002 16:31:48 -0700 In-Reply-To: <1E68BBF368521A498EA50DEDB61120900492AF65@tiger-mail02.mizzou.edu> Message-ID: <87d6we6s9n.fsf@foo.foo> Lines: 44 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Senger, Steven Michael" writes: > I'd definitely like a few freestyle pointers too. I've been kicking > off and on for a few years now and I still can't hit anything harder > than a few basic stalls. Any excersizes or practice/warmup routines > would be a great help as well. I'm from Missouri, so there's not just > a whole lot of serious kicking around here. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks! School harder! :) I found the most effective way to become more consistent with basic moves was to school them over and over and over again. I repeated these moves everyday: inside -> op inside toe -> op toe clipper -> op clipper (This was really difficult for a long time) around the world both ways then repeat on the opposite side. clipper -> clipper -> clipper -> op clipper -> op clipper -> op clipper -> ... mirage -> op toe -> mirage -> ... I got my clippers solid by walking home from work (~30 blocks) and at the end of each block I'd try to land clippers until I'd landed one on both sides. After about three days or so I could get home in a reasonable amount of time :). This was last summer in Vancouver, BC when the buses were on strike so I was more motivated to walk home. I find with the public transit cuts happening here I get more time shred while I'm waiting for the bus. Some days this is my only chance to shred all day! So that's what I did. Always take your bag everywhere you go and at every possible moment try to land a trick. And remember: taking public transit not only reduces traffic jams and greenhouse gases, it also improves your footbag skill! -- Shawn From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:00:11 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03078 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:00:11 -0700 Received: from rains.umail.ucsb.edu (rains.umail.ucsb.edu [128.111.151.216]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA29352 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 16:15:08 -0700 Received: from http by rains.umail.ucsb.edu with local (Exim 3.35 #2) id 173Pn1-000AxX-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 02 May 2002 16:15:07 -0700 Received: from 128.111.182.30 ( [128.111.182.30]) as user hackman@incoming.umail.ucsb.edu by webaccess.umail.ucsb.edu with HTTP; Thu, 2 May 2002 16:15:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1020381307.3cd1c87b6e1a3@webaccess.umail.ucsb.edu> Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 16:15:07 -0700 From: Jeremy Mirken To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Am I talented? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org So, I figured i'd bore you with an interesting story. Tonight at 8:30 pm pacific time, (hopefully you will all receive this before then) I shall compete in the annual campus-wide UCSB talent show. I shall do a 2 minute routine to a techno version of "pac-man." I've been thinking about it a lot although I just began to plan out my "routine" a few minutes ago. I could attempt tons of threes fours and fives and just blow the judges away with legs as fast as the blades of a blender, but do they really wanna see that? I don't think so. It seems that as of now, the plan is to start with kicks, basic stalls next, such a inside to inside, outside, sole, wraps and walkovers. Then I'll progress to clippers, both sides, alternating, and then to butterflies. If I can make it that far without a drop, which I should be able to do since I am nearly guiltless, then I'm gunna take it to the next level, Dan Klokow style, and shred my ass off. what do you guys think of that? It really isn't worth the drops to attempt to impress a panel of judges who dont know a pixie from a ripwalk, or a wrap from a barroque. Hmm. . . .and so I shall sink to the level of dumbing down my routine to impress some peeps who dont know anything. Oh, well, someday maybe all viewers will be able to discriminate between 4 and 5 add moves. Ha, i wish. Jeremy Mirken, Santa Barbara's only shredder -- Jeremy Mirken hackman@umail.ucsb.edu From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:01:21 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03159 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:01:21 -0700 Received: from mailout5.nyroc.rr.com (mailout5-1.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.169]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA13422 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:51:42 -0700 Received: from 1sgpz01 (syr-66-24-59-181.twcny.rr.com [66.24.59.181]) by mailout5.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/Road Runner 1.12) with SMTP id g432pYO10448 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 22:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004101c1f24d$b07efb40$b53b1842@twcny.rr.com> From: "Tyler Linscot" To: Subject: [freestyle] Mirage help Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 22:53:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey shreders, I've got clippers, legovers and around the worlds skooled and can even nail butterflys but I'm having a hard time with clipper set mirages. Any help?????? From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:03:40 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03302 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:03:40 -0700 Received: from bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com (bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com [205.145.1.251]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA08392 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 06:27:43 -0700 Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 3 May 2002 09:26:01 -0400 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA88044564A7@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:24:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org First.. Oh my goodness. This is just crazy. See below. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jubal Hume [mailto:soleairpro@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:25 PM > To: freestyle@footbag.org > Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette > > I think that if 10% of this > energy went to > promoting the game..then it would be much more well known and > ..fun.. Oh c'mon. Gimme a break. I don't know about everyone else, but I type pretty damn fast. I don't think I could get much promoting done in the 2 minutes it took me to write my last email. Anyone disagree on that? Besides, I am able to spend time promoting *and* debating the state of the game (I imagine other players are talented enough to pull this off as well). Self serving sucks. It's as simple as that. Self serving is becoming rampant with newer (and veteran) players. This deserves conversation. That's what this list is for. > but how > will it ever work when people can't just have a blast playing > for fun?.. This is my point. It's not fun to watch someone self serve over and over. I like circle play s much to show what I can do, as to see what others can do. If you want to toss it to yourself repeatedly, go play by yourself. If you want to play with other people, pass the ball to them. It's a simple sharing concept. It simply the way the sport was created. It's cooperation and camaraderie. Ask the creator of the sport how he feels about sharing the ball. Ask any of the originals how they feel about it. Anyone want to setup a poll on this? (just joking about the poll) > I > mean, who wants to play a game where the first thing you hear > is.."you can't > do this.." or " you have to pass now"..because I won't give you the > courtesy of waiting a few seconds".. Sigh. This is just silly. Every darned game that was ever invented has some rules. I'll just stop there. > I get annoyed too when some > people don't pass it > on when they should..but is that not what we all need to work on? > acceptance? and understanding?..the world is a big place and > there are many > people in it.. Geez. We're talking about footbag circle play here. I don't think anyone (I certainly didn't) intended to move on to world peace. I think we're just trying to educate the newbies (and misguided vets) out there that seem to think self serving is generally an OK thing to do. When I tell newbies that self serving is not ok, they act surprised. They didn't know about this rule (oddly enough). They're not upset about it usually.. They just deal. Thanks. Bob Riefer Philly Footworks From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:04:32 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03330 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:04:32 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f77.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.77]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA20579 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 09:25:43 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 May 2002 09:24:34 -0700 Received: from 209.115.237.234 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 May 2002 16:24:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.115.237.234] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 10:24:33 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2002 16:24:34.0009 (UTC) FILETIME=[02A46C90:01C1F2BF] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I thought I should say something on this thread. First off, I can't hit very many combos. I think my biggest 2-up combo was 10 consecutives or something, but usually it's a lot lower. I enjoy hitting big moves too, but I usually miss them, and it sucks to lose my turn after this, but I find that usually people will pass the bag back and let me try again. But is it really necessary to go through the "tradition" of passing the bag, only to have it passed back? After all, if someone hits a 30 second combo, then I miss my second move cuz my leg wiggles, the next guy will "probably" pass it back to me. Why pass the bag? I think that, since the "shred" of competition play is usually 30-35 seconds, this is roughly how long a freestyler in a circle should get the bag, before passing it on. What this means, is that if I'm playing with Ahren Gehrman, it would suck to bust my ten second combo only to be followed by a 3 minute Beast-fest by him, but it wouldn't suck as bad for him to sit through two 15 second combos from me, I'd expect. Not to say that Ahren would shred this way, I haven't shredded with him before. It would be better if a BAP player (if they're playing with newbies) to pass the bag after a nice combo, since most can easily go guiltless for about 30 seconds. Of course, if four BAP players are playing together, self serves are pointless. The players should be trying hard to hit big moves without dropping the bag, and if they do, they should pass it on. At this level, learning this way is a lot more fun that learning this way as a newbie. My 2 cents, Dylan Livingston From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:05:46 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03446 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:05:46 -0700 Received: from animejunction.com ([64.157.3.130]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA23048 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 10:02:58 -0700 Received: (qmail 3280 invoked by uid 65534); 3 May 2002 17:03:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20020503170327.3279.qmail@animejunction.com> Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 17:03:27 +0000 From: "Peter Bevitori" Subject: [freestyle] Rooted toe clipper set moves To: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: maddogbayleaf@nervhq.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by llic.net id KAA23048 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org That might not be the name for what im talking about, but I just started working on this set, i.e. set the bag on your right toe, bring your left leg over your right and keep it in the air, jump hard off the right foot with the bag on it and throw it up. I've got a handfull of moves after this set, and I was wondering if there was a name for the set, and/or if there are names for any moves off of this set. Thanks bro's. laters, peter bevitori From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:07:02 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03594 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:07:02 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f102.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.102]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA28798 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 17:58:35 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 May 2002 17:57:31 -0700 Received: from 65.69.222.95 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 May 2002 00:57:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.69.222.95] From: "Ryan M. Hodgson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 19:57:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2002 00:57:31.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB8D6BD0:01C1F306] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I got a question: what is the problem with self serving? You guys make it seem like you will die if you self serve ( not trying to be disrespectful). I was just wondering what is wrong with it because I get about 5 emails a day about self serving. Ryan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:07:40 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03642 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:07:40 -0700 Received: from sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (sccmmhc02.mchsi.com [204.127.203.184]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA04984 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 21:31:38 -0700 Received: from mmueller ([12.217.240.36]) by sccmmhc02.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020504043124.BGEH24267.sccmmhc02.mchsi.com@mmueller> for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 04:31:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c1f324$aaacad20$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> From: "Matt Mueller" To: Subject: [freestyle] Lavermillenium2 Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 23:32:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Anyone looking for this shoe? then look no further than yonder http://www.shoes.com/product.asp?p=5000758%7E From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:09:24 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03796 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:09:24 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f77.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.77]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA07514 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 22:17:02 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 May 2002 22:17:02 -0700 Received: from 68.42.129.38 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 May 2002 05:17:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.42.129.38] From: "Thomas Boutorwick" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Advice on dexterities? Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 01:17:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2002 05:17:02.0141 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC481ED0:01C1F32A] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all! To J. Wilson, The move you are referring to -clip>same in(dex)> op toe- is a paradox mirage. I have recently schooled them, and the best thing to remember is that it is all in your hips. You really have to rotate at the waist to comlete the dex and remain balanced. Good luck. TJ Boutorwick From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:09:56 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03850 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:09:56 -0700 Received: from web14701.mail.yahoo.com (web14701.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.118]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA20194 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 17:21:11 -0700 Message-ID: <20020505002107.24104.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.228.67.47] by web14701.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 May 2002 17:21:07 PDT Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:21:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Graham Subject: [freestyle] Circling the footbag twice To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, I've been footbagging for about a year, and I think that I'm finally ready to start working on 3-add tricks. It seems that most all 3-add tricks involve circling the footbag twice. I don't have the speed to circle it twice, I can only get about 1 and 1/2 times around it. Do any of you have any suggestions of what exercises I could perform to help me develop enough speed to be able to circle it twice? Thank you for your time, Alan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:10:53 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03932 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:10:53 -0700 Received: from web14706.mail.yahoo.com (web14706.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.123]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA20388 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 17:25:57 -0700 Message-ID: <20020505002557.40230.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.228.67.47] by web14706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 May 2002 17:25:57 PDT Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:25:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Graham Subject: [freestyle] Personal Records To: freestyle@list.footbag.org In-Reply-To: <003501c1f212$8e01f2b0$21db4618@k1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org How many kicks have you had without dropping the footbag? I'm almost ashamed to admit my record (considering every one elses are probably three times longer), but my record is 243 (I've only been footbagging for a year). From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:11:29 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA03993 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:11:29 -0700 Received: from web20102.mail.yahoo.com (web20102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.39]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id TAA26944 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 19:32:46 -0700 Message-ID: <20020505023242.83979.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.148.17.137] by web20102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 May 2002 19:32:42 PDT Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 19:32:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Reile Subject: Re: [freestyle] More stuff to hit To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all ya'll, Mikko Tapaninaho said: > There are already too many names for tricks (try to > remember > them all) and new players are suggesting cooler > names > for old tricks... Please, just play the game, don´t > chance the name... I know this reply is a little late, I haven't been up on my mail lately, but I thik this is a very relavant topic. I always thought that to get the right to name a move you needed to be the first or one of the first to hit it. I know there weren't any specific rules to it, but it seemed like it was generally understood. Now it seems like anyone can name any move no matter how many hundreds of people might have hit before. And I can understand naming an old move that has a long technical name, but most of the new names got included in mass renamings of certain sets. Worse even than that is renaming moves that have already been named by someone else. Anyway, don't get me wrong, I am all for naming moves, I just think it should be reserved for NEW moves, or if not, at least discussed first with the rest of the list. Now gyro dlo is called "whale tail" and every unnamed fairy set move got equally enigmatic names. I've seen atomic dlo called atomic dog, predator, cataclysm, and cataract. Which is it? Yacine named fairy eggbeater "flic" a while back, but now i see it listed as "orangutan." And didn't Ken name Alpine Blurriest "Leviathon"? Now it's twice as long, called "Cristina Aguilara." By worlds 2002 we'll all be speaking different languages. Let me know what your opinions on all this bid'ness are. Eric Reile CIC From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:12:30 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA04095 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:12:30 -0700 Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA29414 for ; Sun, 5 May 2002 19:52:03 -0700 From: Andrew Coleman Received: from CrazyHackier@cs.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.172.7d2495c (24895) for ; Sun, 5 May 2002 22:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <172.7d2495c.2a0749c1@cs.com> Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 22:51:45 EDT Subject: [freestyle] What Cinco De Mayo meant to me To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 122 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by llic.net id TAA29414 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Great bags, great people, great times. This past weekends Cinco De Mayo Footbag Fest was one of the funnest times in my life. There were so many people there, it is great to see footbag taking off in the southeast. Everybody was busting big and having a great time. To everybody who was there-great to see you. To everyone who wasn't-you missed out. Massive thank you to Ben Scarborough for putting the whole thing together-Ben, you rule man. It was so,so incredibly awesome. Happy Cinco De Mayo everyone! -Andrew Coleman difficulty is in the foÖt of the beholder From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:13:34 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA04213 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:13:34 -0700 Received: from ecsmtp01.rockwellfirstpoint.com ([199.191.58.7]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA23841 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 07:58:07 -0700 From: Dan Klokow Subject: [freestyle] Demos To: freestyle@footbag.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 09:58:04 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ECSMTP01/EC/Rockwell(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 05/06/2002 09:54:57 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up everyone, I jus wanted to post in and thank all the other video makers out there, and also Steve G. and all who provide the web stuff for everyone. Brian Parsons and I recently were part of a Wellness day at a local nearby High School where we got to Demo Footbag for all the lil kiddies out there. We were given a vcr and tv to show videos, and a sweet size area to show off some skills. I played Agressive Grounds, Overground, Lion's Den, Whirled Shred and Just Shred, and The Next Level almost all them twice through. I also got to hand out our footbag.org cards to many interested kids, so don't be surprised if you guys get some orders :) I saw lots of promising skills from everyone.. from their very first toe stalls to clippers and butterflies. We were given 'footbag freestyle' stickers to hand out to kids to show that they were at our table and got credit for being there, but we didnt jus hand them out we made them earn it.. everyone had to hit one toe stall before they got a sticker, Brian wanted to have them do both sides but i thought one was good enough:) Too bad i had 9 mestas bags stolen from me during the course of the day, but if they are put to good use then thats all that matters. All in all it was a great experience, and if you ever get the chance to do a skool Demo.. DO IT!! They are loads of fun! Brian and i shredded literaly till we could not shred any longer, and tons of good stuff was hit.. but i'll save that for the next vid:) Jus wanted to again say thanks to all who support this awesome sport. Hope to be able to see everyone at World's if i can make it. Peace Dan Klokow Chicago Inner Circle From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 15:16:35 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA04571 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:16:35 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f306.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.181]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10590 for ; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:35:29 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 May 2002 12:33:26 -0700 Received: from 24.64.223.204 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 May 2002 19:33:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.64.223.204] From: "Jubal Hume" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 12:33:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2002 19:33:26.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4ABBF90:01C1F534] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all who seemed to get confused from my last post... And I think That to start this off, I must say..No offence intended in any way..but.I must add with total respect Well let me simplify it all for those who seemed confused..... I do not have to "like" it when a person in a circle doesn't pass as "I" think he/she should...but I think that a mental state of acceptance of others is far more important than Just my personal opinion[s] or of footbag at all!...I do try to live up to this as best I can, I do not always succeed, but I still try. and the next part is about the "way back when" aspect of my last post... True, some of the people who read this did get to play with the "enforcer' and "rippen" WAY BACK WHEN...but most did not...I played footbag for 8 years before I ever had the privilege to play with Kenny or anyone...Hell, I could do feeding torques first!..so .. For me, my way back when was a bit different, I played hard, but it was just for fun..not a training session at each kick or jam...[to avoid further confusion..kick was a term for a SHRED SESSION]...Ok..to go on, I started to play because it was FUN, and had no ridged rulz ..other than we try to get it around the circle with out dropping it [IT meaning the footbag]. I personally [after years of martial arts and soccer] found this to be very refreshing and exciting, I had found a new creative outlet and I was happy about it. And so here I am... Now I must say, I realize that I come from a slightly different mindset than you, the reader, may [or may not] so I am willing to agree to disagree, and thus end this thread, or my part in it at least. So let me see...to make this clear I must use a metaphor: Driving a car. Ok so how do we avoid road rage [circle passing rage] we have patience and understanding, we let some people go ahead anyway, even if it IS our turn..it's called "we are all in this together" and so by doing the small things [like letting someone go first] we not only make the circle a bit less stressed [but the roads as well] and this more "fun" type of session will be fun..tried it lately?. I am sure it will attract many newbie's to the artform [or sport if you must call it that]. Now doing small good deeds on the road or in a circle can do nothing bad at all and may perhaps do something GOOD for footbag, road safety, our world, our daily life, so who knows till it gets tried. Mr. Confusion Jubal Hume I hope I am more clear this time around. I would like to hear from anyone who doesn't agree, but please just send a note to me. Why bother the whole list with personal opinions that are about someone else's opinions. This would seem to me to be getting too far away from the point of this list...to talk about footbags many aspects as opposed to other peoples individual opinions. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 17:23:26 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA15671 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:23:26 -0700 Received: from web20511.mail.yahoo.com (web20511.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.150]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id PAA07881 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:49:06 -0700 Message-ID: <20020507224906.3806.qmail@web20511.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.226.142.63] by web20511.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:49:06 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:49:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Caleb Abraham Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > But is it really necessary to go through the > "tradition" of passing the bag, > only to have it passed back? Hmmm, is it really necissary to pass, if it will be passed back? Is it really necissary to kick the bag up if it only will come back down? YES!!!!!! Because it's more fun for all if we share and don't self serve. (if that makes any sense to anyone but me) I remember the last jam I was at, I would say that I knew the sport well by then, but I was skooling at home by myself which made me a self-server. When I unleashed the wretched habit that came my way, Mr. Bob Reifer let out a roar that could have scared my skinny A$$ all the way back home. Haha, well once the paleness went away from my face I began to relize the image I was making of myself, especially to the more advanced kickers I was playing with. The point is, that we all want to show off the best of our ability to the stylers we look up to, but I don't care if you busted the beast 2 inches away from my face. If you had to self-serve twice before doing so it's just not that great to some. If you do like self-serving then great, go do it all you want, but you're never going to please everyone at an event. Too many people are anti-self's to even argue the point in my eyes. Happily back on the anti-selfs team, Caleb From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 17:24:24 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA15744 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:24:24 -0700 Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA08258 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 15:55:41 -0700 Received: from 66-214-129-219.glen-dyn.charterpipeline.net ([66.214.129.219] helo=sam) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 175Drx-0007N8-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 07 May 2002 15:55:41 -0700 Message-ID: <002801c1f551$179ce980$db81d642@charterpipeline.com> From: "Sam Colclough" To: References: <1020381307.3cd1c87b6e1a3@webaccess.umail.ucsb.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Am I talented? Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 15:55:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jeremy Mirken wrote: > Jeremy Mirken, Santa Barbara's only shredder Wait... I'm Santa Barbara's only shredder! From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 17:25:07 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA15815 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:25:07 -0700 Received: from itsa.ucsf.edu (itsa.ucsf.edu [128.218.95.21]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA08537 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:01:10 -0700 Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA169588 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:01:06 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:01:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sunil S. Jani" To: freestyle list Subject: Re: [freestyle] Lavermillenium2 In-Reply-To: <000701c1f324$aaacad20$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers: Thanks for the info, Matt! Here is some other info I dug up... If you enter the promo code LUCKY you get another 20% off of your entire order (until 6/1)... and if you order 3 pairs of shoes they waive the shipping cost ($4.50). Hope this helps someone. Sunil On Fri, 3 May 2002, Matt Mueller wrote: > Anyone looking for this shoe? then look no further than yonder > http://www.shoes.com/product.asp?p=5000758%7E From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 17:25:51 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA15877 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:25:51 -0700 Received: from sccmmhc01.mchsi.com (sccmmhc01.mchsi.com [204.127.203.183]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA09272 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 16:09:12 -0700 Received: from mmueller ([12.217.240.36]) by sccmmhc01.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020507230854.QMUA1219.sccmmhc01.mchsi.com@mmueller>; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:08:54 +0000 Message-ID: <004001c1f61c$31341aa0$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> From: "Matt" To: "Alan Graham" , References: <20020505002557.40230.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Personal Records Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:09:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ooooh, mine is much worse. I only practiced kicking for like 6 months before freestyle (probly a mistake), so my record is like 26 I think. > How many kicks have you had without dropping the > footbag? > I'm almost ashamed to admit my record (considering > every one elses are probably three times longer), but > my record is 243 (I've only been footbagging for a > year). > From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 17:26:39 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA15948 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:26:39 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f7.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.7]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA15319 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:19:16 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:19:15 -0700 Received: from 172.173.244.172 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 00:19:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [172.173.244.172] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:19:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2002 00:19:15.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCACF220:01C1F625] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Though I think this topic has been beaten to death, I'd like to say that in my good ol' days of high school hacky sack you would get pegged HARD (with a sipa) if you self-served. -stan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 18:21:26 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA20826 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:21:26 -0700 Received: from web10006.mail.yahoo.com (web10006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.42]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA16747 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 17:36:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20020508003645.46428.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.200.28] by web10006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 17:36:45 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Frost Subject: Re: [freestyle] Personal Records To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >>How many kicks have you had without dropping the footbag?<< My personal record is just over 4,000. >>I'm almost ashamed to admit my record (considering every one elses are probably three times longer), but my record is 243 (I've only been footbagging for a year).<< Alan, MY record would be embarassing to the world record... however... who cares? keep kicking and your record will be 24,300! well, maybe not! :-) the poing is that no matter how good you get there will be someone who can do just a bit more. but that is how you/me learn! always good to hear of new kickers! now, since everyone ends thier letter with some cool saying, let me try: "boom shak a laka and Jesse Jackson likes to swim". Jason Frost ===== Jason Frost jdiabolo@yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 18:22:06 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA20915 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:22:06 -0700 Received: from web14704.mail.yahoo.com (web14704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.121]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id SAA19184 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:06:42 -0700 Message-ID: <20020508010636.85698.qmail@web14704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.228.67.47] by web14704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 May 2002 18:06:36 PDT Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Graham Subject: [freestyle] Two memorable footbaggers To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I remember when i was in 5th grade at Crestview Elementary School, in Carlisle, Pa, two professional footbaggers came to our school. The did freestyle, and net (maybe even golf, but i'm not sure). I'm in 10th grade now, and I probably wouldn't be footbagging now if they hadn't come. I wish i could remember who they were, but if whoever it was are reading this... thanks a lot! From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 18:27:26 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA21774 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:27:26 -0700 Received: from foundationcomputing.net (donorport.org [207.160.174.56]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA19876 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:15:05 -0700 Received: from dfiatx96-031.dfiatx.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.96.31] verified) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 1226435 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 07 May 2002 20:08:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:15:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Derrick Fogle To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <055F4670-6221-11D6-A274-003065BA9A0E@fogles.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 07:57 PM, Ryan M. Hodgson wrote: > I got a question: what is the problem with self serving? 1) It is rude. It annoys many other players. 2) It disrupts the flow of energy in a circle. 3) It sets a very bad precedent for others; they might think that they *never* have to serve to someone else. 4) It is a very negative way to achieve an end. There are other (much better, much more positive) ways of making sure everyone in a circle gets roughly equal time with the footbag. There are other (much better, much more intense) ways to 'practice' moves. Sorry to keep beating the dead horse, but self-serving in a circle is LAME, and it SUCKS. Who the heck started the self-serving thing anyway? Self-serving appeared about the same time BAP did. I was aghast at the time, and was afraid this would come to pass: some of today's kickers see nothing wrong with self-serving. Whoever started it needs pegged - HARD - with about a thousand Sipa-Sipas! The courtesy toss (always serving the bag to someone else, not yourself) was established as one of the most fundamental aspects of footbag before it ever even was footbag, or even Hacky Sack. The courtesy toss embodies the qualities of sharing, community, and togetherness. The courtesy toss builds community and trust; it underscores the unique nature of everyone working together to keep the footbag off the ground (instead of me vs. you). There are 2 primary arguments *for* self-serving, and I'd like to address both of them: * Self-serving is a way for less consistent kickers to get their fair share of footbag time in a circle with other players. Really? Where does this happen? Every time *I've* ever seen self-serving, it's in a circle where *everyone* does it about equally (except for me). Most of the players that do have the consistency that would allow them to hog the bag also have the presence of mind to pass more often and pass to the ones that have gotten the least footbag time. I think the 'need for equal time' is a myth, and until lots of players can give me specific instances, that argument is nothing but a bag that's lost all it's beads. Please, you self-serving circles, just try it: *nobody* self-serves - at all - for just 5 sessions. Then you can decide whether self-serving is really better. * Self-serving is a way to practice a move - correct a mistake - while the idea is still fresh. Have any of you who claim this *ever* kicked by yourself? If you want practice, that's what solo freestyle is for! There's absolutely nothing wrong with kicking solo! In fact, at least 15 minutes of solo kicking per session is about the bare minimum needed to prepare you for the brutal reality of 2 solid minutes of solo freestyle in competition. Solo freestyle is an incredibly beautiful and wonderful activity. It is *my* favorite thing to do with a footbag. When I end up in a circle of self-servers, I usually leave the circle and kick solo nearby. If you want to 'get your fair share' of the footbag, and 'practice' your moves, please do it SOLO! If you want to share footbag with others, please do just that: *share* footbag - with a courtesy toss to a fellow kicker. -Derrick From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 7 18:57:12 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA24685 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:57:12 -0700 Received: from foundationcomputing.net (donorport.org [207.160.174.56]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA24640 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:56:13 -0700 Received: from dfiatx96-031.dfiatx.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.96.31] verified) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 1226525 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 07 May 2002 20:49:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:56:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Personal Records Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) From: Derrick Fogle To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020505002557.40230.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 07:25 PM, Alan Graham wrote: > How many kicks have you had without dropping the > footbag? My personal record is 20,004. I got so excited when I broke 20,000 that I promptly dropped the bag. So as a hard-core consecutives veteran, I can tell you this: consecutives is very 'exponential'. It is just as hard to get 10 consecutives the first time as it is to go from 10 to 100. It is about as difficult again to go from 100 to 1,000. Then 5,000 seems to be a common plateau, I think because you're finally past the consistency struggles and, at about an hour for 5,000 kicks, you begin to have difficulty with concentration. Once you learn the concentration, it is easy to go well over 10,000 consecutive kicks. After you get past about 20,000, you run into logistical problems: you have to learn to drink while kicking or you get dehydrated and lose concentration (that's more or less what happened to me with my 20,004 record). Anyone that's ever seen Ted Martin do one of his many 50,000+ rallies, flawlessly taking water bottles, drinking, and tossing them away, changing sweat bands on his head and wrists, comes to an understanding of just how much effort and ability goes into being a world record holder in footbag consecutives. If you can do 243 kicks, you are *right there* on the edge of breaking through the consistency barrier. You should keep at it! Even if you only ever got to the point of doing 5,000 kicks, that's something that few footbag players have *ever* done, and something you can be very proud of. There's another player that does (or used to do) 1,000 consecutive kicks every kicking session. I do it sometimes myself. It takes about 10 minutes and gives you a great sense accomplishment and control with your footbag. I sometimes bet people $100 that I can do 1,000 kicks without missing on my first try. And I'm not a fool - that's a pretty sure bet for an old consecutives veteran like me. No one has ever taken me up on the bet; I think when I lay $100 on the table like that, they realize I can most likely do it. Consecutives, while not as exciting as shredding, is still a tough discipline in it's own right, and speaks to the heart of what footbag is all about - keeping the footbag off the ground! Take care, and keep kicking! -Derrick From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 8 09:47:35 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA04452 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:47:35 -0700 Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA24826 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:58:22 -0700 From: Ken Shults Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.186.7916ee7 (4238) for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 21:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <186.7916ee7.2a09e02d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:58:05 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org There is and always has been one immutable law in footbag - Don't serve it to yourself. The self-serve is the most heinous offense one can commit in footbag. It is as simple as that. Some of you hold the misguided opinion that you somehow deserve equal bag time with Ahren or Sunil or Pete just because you joined the circle. I know this may come as a shock, but, you don't. You earn that by busting your butt until you're ready to join that circle with honor instead of embarrassing yourself and the sport by trampling the very foundation of the game. Kenny Shults From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 8 09:48:10 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA04558 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:48:10 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA24962 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:00:08 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) id <0GVR03601RVAM7@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 07 May 2002 19:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GVR0354NRVAD3@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 07 May 2002 19:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 19:32:50 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Lavermillenium2 To: freestyle Message-id: <3CCA4249@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Matt Mueller ===== >Anyone looking for this shoe? then look no further than yonder >http://www.shoes.com/product.asp?p=5000758%7E Anyone looking for sizes other than 9.5,10 or 11. Keep looking! Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 8 09:49:52 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA04840 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:49:52 -0700 Received: from m22.boston.juno.com (m22.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.85]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA28097 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:44:54 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"stHo5BQddtEjcrVLw9PkWzwx92FMpDtKDqRJ+exUBbvz+qiNJ3/1Jw=="> Received: (from flutefreak7@juno.com) by m22.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GZ9NGB74; Tue, 07 May 2002 22:44:21 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:43:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Personal Records Message-ID: <20020507.224307.7084.5.flutefreak7@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,21-24 From: Brett N Ables Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everybody, My first consec "record" was 14. Some memorable plateaus were 33, 51, 67, 78, 86, 117 (for 6 months I couldn't re-break 100), 165 (2 months), 244, 334, and now *526*. I've more than tripled my record in 2 months with my first nice footbag (a Mr. Sandman from Revolution Footbags), and almost daily consecutive runs before and/or after a shred session. To beginners, what I've learned is that you MUST be comfortable with your most awkward kick. My left inside didn't come into use until about a year of hacking when I finally started getting serious and working on my form and consistancy. Be able to control your kicks. Just serve yourself and kick once and repeat until you can get that one kick to go right where you want. To newbies going to their first competition you might want to find out what is meant by "consecutives." I thought it would just be a forever rally, but it turns out the "consecutives" event was a 3-minute timed event. I'd never worked on speed before so I decided to just kick and not worry about it. I was 7 kicks away at 292 from winning the intermediate consecutives. Beginners, once you have some consistency, see if you can do something about speed. I've had a lot of fun trying to go at a faster pace. I've never gotten very high numbers with it, but although practice doesn't make "perfect" ("gravity always wins" as they say), it sure does help. Pain is temporary, Brett Ables "Bables" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 8 09:51:59 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA05065 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:51:59 -0700 Received: from m22.boston.juno.com (m22.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.85]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA28122 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 19:45:01 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"stHo5BQddtEjcrVLw9PkWzwx92FMpDtKDqRJ+exUBbvt4WP5GZ1zNw=="> Received: (from flutefreak7@juno.com) by m22.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GZ9NGB68; Tue, 07 May 2002 22:44:21 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:23:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Message-ID: <20020507.224307.7084.3.flutefreak7@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,11,21,42,51,65-68 From: Brett N Ables Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all! Here, I talk about etiquitte as it relates to "hacking" at school and "shredding" at my first event. I started with "Hacky Sack" at my high school a year and a half ago. None of us knew anything about "footbag" and the etiquette stuff. The circle formed as naturally for hacky sack as it does for conversation. People would self serve, and when it got to the point of annoyance we'd say something, but we'd never lay down any rules to stop them from doing it again. We didn't make it as far in our first few months as footbag has in the last couple decades. There's a 23-year-old history teacher at the school who was the best for a long time and amazed us all (now the I, the student, have become the teacher). One thing he was a stickler about was self-serving. Since then we've adopted the idea. We try to get hacks, kick across the circle or whatever, and we all get it eventually because the courtesy toss generally goes to the guy who didn't get it in the last run or something. We've just gotten to know eachother and with self-serving the "hack" seems kinda cheap because it was a self-serve, and the game doesn't seem to move as fast. It's more fun to play it up in the circle than to just feed yourself. Well, that's hackysack, now onto footbag. I got into "footbag" just about 6 months ago, and I'm doing quite a bit more than my old toe stalls. The website was the eyeopener for me at first but I thik I've truly blossomed now that I've just gotten back from my first event. (The Cinco de Mayo Footbag Fest in Augusta, GA was one of the greatest experiences I've ever had. I love you Ben!). Here, I learned what a real freestyle circle was. One guy goes at it with a 30 second or so run, and then (usually after he tries something difficult and drops) the bag gets passed. The circles always had a direction that was constant. at 6 or 7 a new circle was formed making two cicles of 3 or 4. Now about the etiquette business. This was generally the case, if I had the bag for more than 20 seconds it was definately the next guy's turn, unless I almost got a cool move for my level, then I'd get a second chance if the next guy was willing. If I bobbled a pass then I could roll it onto my toe (gently) and pop it up and take my 15-30 seconds. If I went for like 5-15 seconds, then I would pass. Either the next guy would pass back with a friendly "heads up" or "let's see that again" or he would refuse it and I would self-serve for another run, after which it was definately his. If someone messed up the direction, the guy who recieved would pass it to the next rightful kicker across the circle and the new guy would see his mistake. Accidental passes can be passed back after a short run or kept after a good-length run. I know that was a lot, but those were simply my observations in my first real freestyle circles. It was simple respect and courtesy. Occassionally someone would get zealous about a move and ask to try again. In this case the would-be reciever is usually excited enough about the guy hitting the move that he says yes. Asking for another try should be very rare and when you do just try the one move once and pass. If you do anything that challenges you and you had it for atleast 5 seconds then always pass. You'll get your chance. If you need to, go solo outside the circle so you can drill and watch the others. Sorry about the length, but that's my 20 cents on this subject. And by the way, there's nothing wrong with beating subjects to death. That's how we learn and progress. All through life we ask the same questions over and over. Those questions that are difficult, and even though we may not arrive at an answer, the great lifelong conversation is a valuable experience for all. I learned a lot on Cinco de Mayo, and I wanted to give some of that to those who don't have that kind of opportunity. My mom drove me (15-yr-old) 275 miles so I could go to the first event ever in the Southeast (which was a huge success!!!). I wanted to give people who aren't as serious or don't have the opportunities an idea of an event because I now know how courtesy can fit into both a hack circle and a shred circle. Feel free to reply to me about personal comments (or questions) unless you feel like hundreds of people would benefit from what you have to say. Shred hard! Pain is temporary! Brett Ables "Bables" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 8 09:52:49 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA05123 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:52:49 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f15.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.15]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA05352 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:26:34 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 May 2002 23:26:30 -0700 Received: from 67.27.147.114 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 06:26:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.27.147.114] From: "pete irish" To: derrick@fogles.net, freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 02:26:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2002 06:26:30.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A4FA3A0:01C1F659] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derrick Fogle wrote: >>Who the heck started the self-serving thing anyway? Self-serving >appeared about the same time BAP did. I was aghast at the time, and was >afraid this would come to pass: some of today's kickers see nothing >wrong with self-serving. Whoever started it needs pegged - HARD - with >about a thousand Sipa-Sipas! Sorry Derrick, but you're completely wrong on this one. Don't blame this ridiculous phenomena on the original Big Add Posse. From day 1, the standard of the Posse was ALWAYS absolutely NO self serving-EVER. This was a strict standard. You would never see a self serve in any early posse circles; you wouldn't even think about trying it. If you did, you would face the wrath of the Enforcer for sure, and it wouldn't be pleasant. In the original posse circles there was not even toss backs. We agreed on this standard as a way to challenge ourselves and keep focus and intensity in the circle. This was the same mindset that pushed us to eliminate one and two adds out of combos and to push the level of play as high as we could. Self serving is actually a relatively new thing. Please keep in mind that even up until 1994 there were only the original 7 members in the posse, and subsequent members continued to uphold this standard. It was around the time of Shults's first retirement that self serving became widespread. Ask Rippin, Tim Kelly, Dennis Jones, or Eric Wulff or Tuan Vu about self serving and you will hear the same story. Ladies and gentlemen, the standard of the Big Add Posse was always no self serving, and as far as I'm concerned it still is. Self serving is self-ish, lazy, and boring. It adds nothing to a circle; it only takes. A circle is not just about showing off. We can push each other and build collective energy, but not when people are self serving all over the place. For those of you upholding this standard and tradition, much props and respect. Peter Irish Original Big Add Posse From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 8 09:56:11 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA05343 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:56:11 -0700 Received: from tig-msxproto1.tig.mizzou.edu (tig-msxproto1.tig.mizzou.edu [128.206.7.41]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA03436 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 09:33:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:30:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1E68BBF368521A498EA50DEDB61120900492AF6A@tiger-mail02.mizzou.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0=5Bfreestyle=5D=A0Footbag=A0freestyle=A0etiquette?= Thread-Index: AcH2KSloTYVyjxlHTCKTQGvqQcLRUAAKOf+xABbh7G0= From: "Senger, Steven Michael (UMC-Student)" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by llic.net id JAA03436 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Its kinda like the Chinese(?) Heaven / Hell parable: A man went to heaven and hell in the same day. in heaven he saw many tables, each with ten men sitting around them. They had an amazing feast set out before them and really long chopsticks. Hell was set up exactly the same way. The only difference was that in heaven the men fed each other, so they were all happy; but in hell the men greedily tried to feed themselves, but couldn't due to their chopsticks being to long. okay yeah so how closely that really applies to this situation is quite a stretch... but honestly, self serving is pretty looked down upon in my regular circle at the drop zone. -----Original Message----- From: Caleb Abraham Sent: 5/7/02 5:49 PM > But is it really necessary to go through the > "tradition" of passing the bag, > only to have it passed back? Hmmm, is it really necissary to pass, if it will be passed back? Is it really necissary to kick the bag up if it only will come back down? YES!!!!!! Because it's more fun for all if we share and don't self serve. (if that makes any sense to anyone but me) I remember the last jam I was at, I would say that I knew the sport well by then, but I was skooling at home by myself which made me a self-server. When I unleashed the wretched habit that came my way, Mr. Bob Reifer let out a roar that could have scared my skinny A$$ all the way back home. Haha, well once the paleness went away from my face I began to relize the image I was making of myself, especially to the more advanced kickers I was playing with. The point is, that we all want to show off the best of our ability to the stylers we look up to, but I don't care if you busted the beast 2 inches away from my face. If you had to self-serve twice before doing so it's just not that great to some. If you do like self-serving then great, go do it all you want, but you're never going to please everyone at an event. Too many people are anti-self's to even argue the point in my eyes. Happily back on the anti-selfs team, Caleb From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:18:50 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA20602 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:18:50 -0700 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA21003 for ; Tue, 7 May 2002 18:22:32 -0700 Received: from burn-a ([12.245.2.106]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020508012232.OWXU10136.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@burn-a>; Wed, 8 May 2002 01:22:32 +0000 From: Francisco Tejeda To: Matt , freestyle X-Mailer: PocoMail 2.5 (974) - Registered Version Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:22:41 -0400 References: <20020505002557.40230.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com> <004001c1f61c$31341aa0$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Personal Records Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <20020508012232.OWXU10136.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@burn-a> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by llic.net id SAA21003 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hmm... Mine is bad too. The most I get is 71. My consecutive toe stall record is 26. >Ooooh, mine is much worse. I only practiced kicking for like 6 >months before >freestyle (probly a mistake), so my record is like 26 I think. > > >> How many kicks have you had without dropping the >> footbag? >> I'm almost ashamed to admit my record (considering >> every one elses are probably three times longer), but >> my record is 243 (I've only been footbagging for a >> year). -- Burn, franciscotejeda@attbi.com on 05/07/2002 From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:20:43 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA20685 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:20:43 -0700 Received: from ems.salk.edu (ems.salk.edu [198.202.69.12]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id LAA12183 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 11:41:26 -0700 Received: from [198.202.67.129] (198.202.67.129) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 8 May 2002 11:38:21 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:38:51 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by llic.net id LAA12183 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org My name is Cameron and I'm a self server. I play 100% of my sessions in public, sometimes without a shirt. I promote two touch no toss back as the fastest way to keep the bag moving around the circle. I think four tricks constitutes a full turn. Two touch provides the best experience for the audience and the players. Players know when their turn is, and spectators get to see more runs. I think starting a run and kicking and starting again is the same as a self serve, but each camp has their own rules to justify multiple tries. If , instead of a hand catch, I need to kick the bag to take another turn then I guess I can play no self serve at events, but I think it's all mind games anyway, since you're still taking multiple tries under the disguise of an elite one try system. cameron From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:23:27 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA20968 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:23:27 -0700 Received: from mail8.bigmailbox.com (mail8.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.39]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14407 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 12:21:32 -0700 Received: (from www@localhost) by mail8.bigmailbox.com (8.11.6/8.10.0) id g48IMCl13563; Wed, 8 May 2002 11:22:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:22:12 -0700 Message-Id: <200205081822.g48IMCl13563@mail8.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [24.128.13.123] From: "Neil Bornstein" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Various Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo, Firstly, I've been hacking for a year, I can hit most 2-add moves, some 3's and 4's and one 7. (Paradox spinning x-bd heel rake, I call it Versatility). My questions are the following. 1: I've been trying a symposium dragonfly kick. Is it still considered symposium if the dexing foot doesn't hit the ground again? 2: If I wanted to enter a competition, would I be able to wear sandals, which are what I normally hack in? As well, can anyone hit the following, because that would be wicked cool: clip>same in (plant)>same out>same clip. ie, start on right clipper, toss it up, do an in to out (paradox) dexterity with the right foot. Plant that foot, then do the reverse of what you did. An out to in dex with the right foot, to clipper delay, keeping the bag in front of you. That would be wicked cool. Later, Neil "Thwap Man" Bornstein From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:28:42 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA21513 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:28:42 -0700 Received: from pd3mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA19707 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 13:33:03 -0700 Received: from pd2mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr2so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.109]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVT008E67QYGM@l-daemon> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml5so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml5so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.149]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GVT00FPI7QYP8@l-daemon> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from k1 (h24-70-219-33.gv.shawcable.net [24.70.219.33]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GVT00GL47QYEI@l-daemon> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 08 May 2002 14:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 13:32:19 -0700 From: Allan Haggett Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette To: freestyle list Message-id: <001601c1f6cf$739b5f30$21db4618@k1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ryan Hodgson wrote: > I got a question: what is the problem with self serving? The problem with self-serving is that: A) The people who invented this game made "no self serving" one of the basic rules. This is all you should really need to to know. Why can't you travel with a basketball? B) Self serving can be taken as a literal statement. Self serving = selfish = not fun for anyone else. C) Self serving is addictive. People that do it, tend to do it all the time, every time the bag comes to them. Jubal said that maybe we need to have more patience when it comes to self servers. I would argue that it is the self server thats needs to develop patience and understand that no one wants to watch them drop the bag 3 times in a row before they pass it. As Derrick said, "It disrupts the flow of energy in a circle" - especially if they do it every time. If you get the bag and botch right away, have some patience and realise that gravity won again and that if you just *pass the damn bag* it will come around again much faster for your second attempt. Self serving creates an environment that leads more to the restriction of freedom of expression than tolerating it does to improve it. If you can't see that, continue to self serve, but know that you are breaking one of the defining rules of the game. You may as well skool those hand stalls. -Allan, S.S.A. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:29:54 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA21629 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:29:54 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA23820 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 14:41:13 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) id <0GVT07301AWKY6@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 08 May 2002 15:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GVT0736AAWJQ7@clem.mscd.edu>; Wed, 08 May 2002 15:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:21:34 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Circling the footbag twice To: Alan Graham , freestyle Message-id: <3CCADC23@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Alan Graham ===== > I'm finally ready to start working on 3-add >tricks. It seems that most all 3-add tricks involve >circling the footbag twice. You're in luck because this is not entirely true. Osis, Butterfly, Paradox Mirage, Pixie Clipper, Symposium Mirage, Eclipse, Refraction, Spinning Clipper, Atomic Clipper, Drifter, ducking/diving/zulu/weaving clipper, swirl, x-body sole stall, and many others are 3 adds with only one dex or less. Torque, spinning butterfly, dyno, blender, flux, Paradox Drifter, spinning Osis, ducking/diving/zulu/weaving butterfly/osis, twirl, paradox whirl, and more are all 4 adds with only one dex or less. There are also a bunch of 5's and probably some 6's too. > I don't have the speed to >circle it twice, I can only get about 1 and 1/2 times >around it. I'm assuming that you mean circling the bag twice with the same foot. I've found that it's not always about speed. It can certainly get there when you're talking about moves that begin with a barraging set, but a lot of times it's about fluidity and window size. The best exercise I can think of would be practicing the move without the bag and visualizing. You may look as stupid as I do while waiting in line at the supermarket, but I guaratee it helps. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:32:14 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA21935 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:32:14 -0700 Received: from web9607.mail.yahoo.com (web9607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.186]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id PAA27295 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:20:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20020508222006.34008.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.164.2.30] by web9607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 15:20:06 PDT Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:20:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ahren Gehrman Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <186.7916ee7.2a09e02d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey yo. I would like to add my name to the list of people who agree that self-serving is junk. Not that I should have to. It really is the oldest and most sacred rule of footbag, and for obvious reasons which have already been stated a number of times on this list. I'm not going to repeat them. I would like to make a side note, however, about the people who have told you not to self serve and why you should listen to them. Oh man, I can already hear many of you moaning and bitching already. Another BAP member trying to tell everybody what to do. Why should people pay any mind at all to the Big Add Posse anymore? How about this? Forget that Kenny Shults, Peter Irish and Sunil Jani (all of whom have said self-serving sucks - in case you've lost your short term memory) are all BAP. Instead let us think of them as people who love footbag so much, that they have spent hours, days, months, years, motherf...ing decades! practicing and just having fun with it. Let me tell you from experience that being able to step into a cirle and play with people like that is nothing less than magical. Not just because of how good they are but the kind of people they are as well. You feel like they respect you, and they do, no matter who you are. But only as long as you respect them back. If you don't have respect for everybody else that's worked just as hard as you, probably harder, then get out of the circle. Don't even join the circle. Hell, if you are not going to be respectful then don't even say hello. I don't care how good you are. So if you are in a circle, ANY footbag circle, and you self-serve, that means that you think you deserve to have the bag more than anybody else. Well who in the hell do you think you are? Torch p.s. I have self-served. I do not feel good about it. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:34:07 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA22114 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:34:07 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f132.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.132]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA28388 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:30:13 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 8 May 2002 15:28:08 -0700 Received: from 195.215.245.97 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:28:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.215.245.97] From: "Rasmus Rendsvig" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Fairy as a set, how do I get it high? Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 00:28:08 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2002 22:28:08.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1377270:01C1F6DF] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there, Now if been playing footbag 3 years and freestylin' for about 11/2 and I'm getting better at an incredible rate (or so I think so) and now I started trying to get some new concepts in to place, like 'stepping' 'ducking&diving' etc. and one of them is basic sets appart from the totally basic sets (like a straight toe set) but, and here comes my question, how do I do a Fairy set high (higher)? At this point I can get it to my knee on the outside of the setting leg but I'd like it so high that I could do a Fairy set and a relaxed SS buttterfly, just to get started, but I'm afraid there's some hidden tip or trick I don't know so please somebody got to know... Pretty please?! -- Rasmus Rendsvig, Denmark From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:35:28 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA22210 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:35:28 -0700 Received: from hotlunch (aoh1545ey409k.bc.hsia.telus.net [66.183.56.238]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA30969 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 22:49:26 -0700 Received: from sabetts by hotlunch with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 175gtM-00076R-00 for ; Wed, 08 May 2002 22:55:04 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Circling the footbag twice References: <20020505002107.24104.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com> From: Shawn Betts Date: 08 May 2002 22:55:03 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20020505002107.24104.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87it5x27d4.fsf@foo.foo> Lines: 37 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alan Graham writes: > Hi, I've been footbagging for about a year, and I > think that I'm finally ready to start working on 3-add > tricks. It seems that most all 3-add tricks involve > circling the footbag twice. I don't have the speed to > circle it twice, I can only get about 1 and 1/2 times > around it. Do any of you have any suggestions of what > exercises I could perform to help me develop enough > speed to be able to circle it twice? I found doing lots of concecutive single around the worlds helps. The main problem I had (still have) is getting my leg around tight without hitting the bag. I found pointing my toe down and spinning my leg around as consistently as I could as high as I could and slowly getting faster helped a lot. I heard someone mention using a pylon or a stick as well. This was for the out-in around the worlds. I had a lot of trouble with the in to out. Schooling pixies changed that. I starting doing pixie after pixie and one day tried an out-in double around the world and to my amazement caught the bag! As for actually doing it I found that for an around the world where you set and catch with the same leg, pointing the toe doesn't help. I keep the foot perpendicular (roughly) to the shin and do the dexes around my ankle. This also helps when catching since your toe is right there. What really gave me the speed was building up the muscle I used to do the doubles. I built up the muscle doing other tricks. Every couple days or so I'd come back to the double and I'd be closer even though I'd barely practiced it. This seems to be the case with many moves... -- Shawn From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:36:49 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA22281 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:36:49 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f37.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.37]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA19727 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:41:01 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 May 2002 08:40:56 -0700 Received: from 209.115.237.234 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 15:40:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.115.237.234] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Move endings Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 09:40:56 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 15:40:56.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[E90DC9B0:01C1F76F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone! I've got a new task, but it's not quite as big this time. Basically I've been thinking that since every move is comprised of a set, and the rest of the move, I'd try to make a list of anything that can be done as the bag FALLS. Here's what I've got so far. If anyone has anything to add, or a reason why something here doesn't really fit, let me know. I know that some of these move endings can only be done from specific sets, but the fact that they can be done from a set opens POSSIBILITIES of other set combinations ie:Shattered Pdox Eggbeater MIGHT be possible. Move Ending List In(DEX)>Op Toe(DEL)=Mirage (Blur) In(DEX)>Same Toe(DEL)=Pickup (Paste) In(DEX)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Whirl (Blurry Whirl) In(DEX)>Same Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Drifter (Tombstone) Out(DEX)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Butterfly (Ripwalk) Out(DEX)>Same Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Grifter (Pixie Grifter) Out(DEX)>Same Toe(DEL)=Legover (DLO) Out(DEX)>Op Toe(DEL)=Illusion (Blizzard) No Plant While In(DEX)(BOD)>Op Toe(DEL)=Symposium Mirage (Symp. Toe Blur) No Plant While Out(DEX)(BOD)>Op Toe(DEL)=Flail (BSS Smudge) No Plant While In(DEX)(BOD)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Symposium Whirl (Gary Coleman) Out(DEX)>Op Back/Front Swirl(DEX)>Same Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Butterfly Swirl (Dimwalk Swirl) In(DEX)>Op Back/Front Swirl(DEX)>Same Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Whirling Swirl (Blurry Whirling Swirl) No Plant While In(DEX)(BOD)>Op b/f Swirl (DEX)>Same Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Symposium Whirling Swirl (Limbo) No Plant While Out(DEX)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Dada? (Dada Curve) Out(DEX)>Same Out(DEX)>Same Toe(DEL)=Double Switchover/Reaper (Stepping Op Reaper) Out(DEX)>Op Out(DEX)>Same Toe(DEL)=Eggbeater (Bedwetter) Out(DEX)>Same Out(DEX)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Double Butterfly (Blurrier) In(DEX)>Same In(DEX)>Op Toe(DEL)=Barrage (Blurrage) In(DEX)>Same In(DEX)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Whirr (Blurry Whirr) No Plant While Out(DEX)(BOD)>Op Out(DEX)>Same Toe(DEL)=Symposium Eggbeater (Symposium Bedwetter) In(DEX)>Op Out(DEX)>Same Toe(DEL)=DLO (Flog) In(DEX)>No Plant While Op In(DEX)(BOD)>Op Toe(DEL)=Symposium Blur (Blurry Symposium Blur) No Plant While In(DEX)(BOD)>Op Out(DEX)>Same Toe(DEL)=Nova (Supernova) No Plant While Out(DEX)(BOD)>Same Out(DEX)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Symposium Double Butterfly (Torch-r-Rack) In(DEX)>Back Spin(BOD)>Same Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Blender (Food Processor) In(DEX)>Front Spin(BOD)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Torque (Gravedigga) Out(DEX)>Back Spin(BOD)>Same Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Dyno (G.Y.B.A.S.) Out(DEX)>Front Spin(BOD)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Flux (Fairy Flux) Out(DEX)>Same Out(DEX)>Back Spin(BOD)>Same Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Motion (Surging Motion) No Plant While In(DEX)(BOD)>Front Spin(BOD)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL)=Symposium Torque (Big Apple Sauce) And that's all I can think of for now. If anyone can hit anything else on the way down from any set, let me know what it is and I'll add it! Take it easy all, Dylan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:38:23 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA22363 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:38:23 -0700 Received: from pilot25.cl.msu.edu (pilot25.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.45]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA25594 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 10:11:34 -0700 Received: from wks4lan (pm844-30.dialip.mich.net [35.12.24.132]) by pilot25.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g49HBSI35392 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 13:11:28 -0400 From: "Adam Keith" To: "Freestyle" Subject: RE: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:11:44 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <055F4670-6221-11D6-A274-003065BA9A0E@fogles.net> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > * Self-serving is a way to practice a move - correct a mistake - while > the idea is still fresh. > > Have any of you who claim this *ever* kicked by yourself? If you want > practice, that's what solo freestyle is for! There's absolutely nothing > wrong with kicking solo! In fact, at least 15 minutes of solo kicking > per session is about the bare minimum needed to prepare you for the > brutal reality of 2 solid minutes of solo freestyle in competition. Solo > freestyle is an incredibly beautiful and wonderful activity. It is *my* > favorite thing to do with a footbag. When I end up in a circle of > self-servers, I usually leave the circle and kick solo nearby. Or, you can hold an extra bag in your hand, and if you drop a move you feel you need to skool immediately afterwards, you can pass the bag on and try it really quick with the extra bag (but please don't bust an entire shred). Then everyone else will still have their fair share. Adam Keith From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:42:37 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA22746 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:42:37 -0700 Received: from web11604.mail.yahoo.com (web11604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.56]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id UAA11977 for ; Thu, 9 May 2002 20:30:55 -0700 Message-ID: <20020510033055.25671.qmail@web11604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.27.107.19] by web11604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 May 2002 20:30:55 PDT Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:30:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellis Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Europe, dude! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I just wanted to pass my props to two incredible players: Vasek Klouda and Ales Zelinka. I watched some exclusive footage of you guys, and I am floored by your skills. You both have great styles, and you are shredding so hard! Just to comment on Vasek alone, I am seriously amazed by this kid. 15 years old and playing for as long as I've been playing in my current shoes (not really, but you get the point). Dude, you are insane. Eight of Ten times you touch the bag, something awesome happens. I wish I were exaggerating. If you are at world's this summer, I want to shred with you, but only if no one else is around to witness me get spanked so hard. I'll work on something to match your Bedwetter > Smog > Pixie Whirl > PS Whirl > Whirlwind > Mobius combo. That sucks so bad; you should really stop playing. I'm so glad I make videos, because I get first look at all this rad footage. Big thanks to Steve Goldberg and Vojta Polak for sending me original footage for my film. ** I don't know if either of you (Vasek/Ales) read these footbag discussions, so if anyone who plays with them regularly could please pass on (and translate) my words, I'd really appreciate it. Everyone watch out. Ellis Piltz video-man From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:44:36 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA22983 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:44:36 -0700 Received: from m22.boston.juno.com (m22.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.85]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA10641 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 16:55:20 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"stHo5BQddtEjcrVLw9PkWzwx92FMpDtKKXDfEFYjCnuaDamnAoBq/A=="> Received: (from flutefreak7@juno.com) by m22.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G2KNBTDX; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:54:17 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 19:52:39 -0400 Subject: [freestyle] Two-footed delay Message-ID: <20020511.195300.4644.1.flutefreak7@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,12-19,21 From: Brett N Ables Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, If the bag is caught between the insides of the feet, but never touches the ground, then is that a valid delay? What if I *jump* up twist, clamp the bag with my feet, and land in the two-footed *delay* having *spun* more than 180 degrees, would that be a 3-add move [bod][del][bod]? If there is no name for this two-footed inside delay (if it is a delay) then I propose "Clincher" to rhyme with pincher. I have more ideas of names for moves using the clincher, but I want to see if it's even a valid move or if it already has another name. Clincher could be a flying move, and the non-flying version could be a rooted clincher (wrencher), or clincher could be the ground move and the jumping version could be a flying clincher (flincher). Pain is temporary, Bables PS clincher > ... = "clinching" set ... >jump [bod] clincher [del] = flying clincher = "flincher" set > jump [bod] clincher [del] spin [bod] = spinning flincher = "spinach" Toe > op in [dex] > clincher [del] = quantum clincher = "quencher" From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:46:24 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA23283 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:46:24 -0700 Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA14097 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 17:51:29 -0700 From: Andrew Johnson Received: from Spyrosis1@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.68.1fee45da (25102) for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 20:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <68.1fee45da.2a0f167c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 20:51:08 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Place to stay at Westerns To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list, I'm a sixteen year old shredder from Seattle. I have a good chance of being able to attend Western Regionals this year if I can find someone who is willing to share a hotel room or has crash space somewhere. I can split the price of a hotel room and contribute in any other way possible. I don't take up much space, and I'm reasonably independent and don't smell too bad. Please reply to me personally if you think you might be able to help me out. Thanks in advance. Andrew Johnson Rain City Shred From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:48:23 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA23496 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:48:23 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f107.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.107]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA20421 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:33:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:32:17 -0700 Received: from 65.71.40.15 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2002 02:32:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.71.40.15] From: "Ryan M. Hodgson" To: mattmueller@mchsi.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Personal Records Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:32:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2002 02:32:17.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BCF9860:01C1F95D] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dang matt, I have been playing for 3 weeks and my record is 32 so far. Ryan >From: "Matt" >Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:09:08 -0500 > >Ooooh, mine is much worse. I only practiced kicking for like 6 months >before >freestyle (probly a mistake), so my record is like 26 I think. RyAn HoDgSoN RyAn WaS HeRe From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:51:28 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA23837 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:51:28 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f28.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.28]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA20695 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:39:16 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:39:16 -0700 Received: from 65.71.40.15 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2002 02:39:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.71.40.15] From: "Ryan M. Hodgson" To: ewokslayer85@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Two memorable footbaggers Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:39:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2002 02:39:16.0368 (UTC) FILETIME=[358BC900:01C1F95E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alan, you are lucky - I wish I had some come to our school, but instead we got good ole MR. Gary Gaman who's in the Footbag hall of Fame, and on Friday during his whole class he played footbag with us. Ryan >From: Alan Graham >Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:06:36 -0700 (PDT) > >I remember when i was in 5th grade at Crestview >Elementary School, in Carlisle, Pa, two professional >footbaggers came to our school. The did freestyle, and >net (maybe even golf, but i'm not sure). I'm in 10th >grade now, and I probably wouldn't be footbagging now >if they hadn't come. I wish i could remember who they >were, but if whoever it was are reading this... thanks >a lot! RyAn HoDgSoN RyAn WaS HeRe From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:53:21 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA24126 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:53:21 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f91.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.91]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA20892 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:43:21 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 11 May 2002 19:43:21 -0700 Received: from 65.71.40.15 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 May 2002 02:43:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.71.40.15] From: "Ryan M. Hodgson" To: derrick@fogles.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:43:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2002 02:43:21.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7C086D0:01C1F95E] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org When me and my friends play, we self serve because we always pass it after 5 or so and we also rotate serves. If you guys do it like that everyone would get a chance. Ryan >From: Derrick Fogle >Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:15:01 -0500 > >On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 07:57 PM, Ryan M. Hodgson wrote: > >> I got a question: what is the problem with self serving? > >1) It is rude. It annoys many other players. > >2) It disrupts the flow of energy in a circle. > >3) It sets a very bad precedent for others; they might think that they >*never* have to serve to someone else. > >4) It is a very negative way to achieve an end. RyAn HoDgSoN RyAn WaS HeRe From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun May 12 16:55:20 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA24330 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 12 May 2002 16:55:20 -0700 Received: from sccmmhc01.mchsi.com (sccmmhc01.mchsi.com [204.127.203.183]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA24526 for ; Sat, 11 May 2002 20:59:51 -0700 Received: from mmueller ([12.217.240.36]) by sccmmhc01.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020512035933.ZBKR1219.sccmmhc01.mchsi.com@mmueller>; Sun, 12 May 2002 03:59:33 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c1f969$715a2520$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> From: "Matt Mueller" To: "Ryan M. Hodgson" , References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Personal Records Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 22:59:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yeah, you probably have a better bag than I had then. I do still play kill though (kick it thrice, then at someone) - its great because you do a lot of karate stuff and jumping around... From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 14 18:56:49 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA11729 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 14 May 2002 18:56:49 -0700 Received: from I (dhcp212.llic.net [209.125.90.212]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA11726 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 18:56:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@209.125.90.2 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:56:46 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Please pre-register for Western Regionals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all you freestylers out there. This year I will be a lot less lenient with late registrants and lazy freestylers. This is a serious tournament, our great staff out here put sa lot of time and energy into organizing it, and if you don't do your part to help us keep the event running smoothly, everybody loses. http://www.footbag.org/registration/register/1012638214 So, if you're planning to compete in Western Regionals, *please* register *now*. Online registration takes all of 3 minutes (literally). http://www.footbag.org/registration/register/1012638214 The event is just two weekends away, so don't wait any longer. We need to know how many people are coming so we can know how many shirts to order, and other arrangements. The sooner you pre-register, the better for our planning. http://www.footbag.org/registration/register/1012638214 You can always change your registration later, but please if you're coming, pre-register! http://www.footbag.org/registration/register/1012638214 Now! http://www.footbag.org/registration/register/1012638214 Steve P.S. http://www.footbag.org/registration/register/1012638214 From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:20:17 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA27508 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:20:17 -0700 Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA30309 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 18:16:05 -0700 Received: from c759253a ([12.252.48.247]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020513011557.TYKY25294.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@c759253a>; Mon, 13 May 2002 01:15:57 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01c1fa1b$618435c0$f730fc0c@attbi.com> Reply-To: "Frank Gutowski" From: "Frank Gutowski" To: "Ahren Gehrman" , References: <20020508222006.34008.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 19:13:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org To Whom It May Concern: First, I know I havn't been around the footbag scene in a loooong while - thus, hello to all my old buddies, and as of last Thursday I have started skoolin once again .... Feels good to be back. My two cents to this discussion are simple, and I actually thought about it when I was kicking by myself today. 1) You can self-serve when you skool by yourself, period. 2) I have had the opportunity to skool with some of the best freestylers in the world over the years having been lucky enough to have lived in the Colorado and Bay Area shred meccas. With that said, I have an huge amount of respect for those players who have pushed this sport to the level it is today. - Getting to the point here, if these fine fellows invented a sport that we all love, and one of their original doctrines was to execute the self-servers, so be it. And let us not forget that those guys got pretty friggin good w/out having to self-serve over and over and over again while the rest of the circle loses that all essential cyclically derrived energy we all feed off of. As Torch admitted, I am also guilty of self-serving myself, sucks, but its the truth. Thats all I have to say besides the fact that it feels dam good to be back kickin again. Frank From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:21:09 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA27587 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:21:09 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f254.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.132]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA02497 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 19:23:12 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 May 2002 19:23:11 -0700 Received: from 209.53.225.14 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2002 02:23:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.53.225.14] From: "Jonathan Zaleski" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Wanna give this a try? Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 19:23:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2002 02:23:11.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[21196190:01C1FA25] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo list, If anyone has hit any of these moves, could you tell me, thanks. Fairy scorpions tail(fairy tail?) Fairy ducking scorpions tail Weaving drifter Zulu Drifter Spinning Weaving Drifter Spinning Zulu Drifter Spinning Ducking Drifter Spinning Diving Drifter Surfing Swivvel Surfing Dyno And a question, Do surfing and phasing get paradox adds if you dex with the swirling foot after the set? EX. Surfing Symposium or PS mirage? Peace, Jonzy From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:22:59 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA27711 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:22:59 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f33.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.33]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA09272 for ; Sun, 12 May 2002 21:36:24 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 May 2002 21:36:21 -0700 Received: from 24.197.90.73 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2002 04:36:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.197.90.73] From: "Bob Glasser" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Spinning diving Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 00:36:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2002 04:36:21.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB1511B0:01C1FA37] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well I recently just started experimenting with some spinning diving stuff. You have to spin and dive pretty quick to be able to do anything good out of it and so far all I have is a spinning diving mirage and p-mirage. I was just wondering what kinda moves have been hit? Diving mobius? I saw Lon hit ducking mobius on Lions Den. Anyways I was just curious. Thanks Bob Glasser From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:24:43 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA27832 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:24:43 -0700 Received: from mailgate5.cinetic.de (mailgate5.cinetic.de [217.72.192.165]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA30822 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 04:48:42 -0700 Received: from web.de (fmomail02.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.46]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g4DBmfX03258 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 13 May 2002 13:48:41 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 13:48:41 +0200 Message-Id: <200205131148.g4DBmfX03258@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: Daniel Neufeld To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] European event participation? Precedence: fm-user Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was just wondering if any of you (overseas/ pros/ list members) are planning to participate any European events, i. e. European Championchips in Hungary or FootJam02 in Switzerland. keep kicking Dan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:26:01 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA27940 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:26:01 -0700 Received: from mundane.cc.uga.edu (mundane.cc.uga.edu [128.192.1.102]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA06458 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 07:04:48 -0700 Received: from archa9.cc.uga.edu (arch9.cc.uga.edu) by mundane.cc.uga.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <1.00074427@mundane.cc.uga.edu>; Mon, 13 May 2002 10:04:47 -0400 Received: from integer.math.uga.edu (host-216-78-109-193.asm.bellsouth.net [216.78.109.193]) by archa9.cc.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA70300; Mon, 13 May 2002 10:00:39 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020508152813.01ecce50@alpha.math.uga.edu> X-Sender: integer@imap.arches.uga.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 10:00:40 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Alex Faber Subject: [freestyle] Cinco de Mayo freestyle tournament (Southeastern Regionals) Cc: nogginMonster@aol.com In-Reply-To: <178.7ec3700.2a0899a0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freestyle community, I have the final comments and results for the Cinco de Mayo freestyle tournament held in Augusta, GA this past weekend. First, I'd like to thank all of the players that came together to make this possible. At the event's peak, we had something like 50 players of all skill levels in attendance. Stylers came from as far away as New Jersey, Tennessee, and South Carolina. We also had a huge local (Georgia) contingent. Next I'd like to thank Ben Scarborough, the tournament director, for organizing this fantastic event. He conjured up a perfect venue (covered pavilion in a public park), a great atmosphere, and plenty of freestylers. My special thanks go out to Jon Schneider for traveling the greatest distance of anyone involved in the tournament, and for all of his help in running the event. I would also like to give great thanks to some of the parents of players (in particular of the intermediate players) that supported the sport so well by bringing such fantastic kickers together. We really appreciate your enthusiasm. Without further ado, the results: Novice 4 Square 1. Mitch Carlsen 2. Stephen Pride 3. Sam Pride 4. Todd Squires Novice Consecutives (3 minutes) 1. Stephen Pride -- 241 2. Todd Squires -- 218 3. Mitch Carlsen -- 202 4. Sam Pride -- 176 Intermediate Consecutives (3 minutes) 1. Andrew Coleman -- 309 - 1 drop = 299 2. Ben Scarborough -- 303 - 1 drop = 293 3. Brett Ables -- 290 - 0 drops = 290 4. Josh Owens -- 297- 3 drops = 267 5. Pauli O'Reilly -- 276- 4 drops = 236 Intermediate Big 3 1. Andrew Coleman -- pixie butterfly > pdx mirage> ducking butterfly 2. Pauli O'Reilly -- clipper > ripwalk > blur 3. Josh Owens -- pixie > toe ducking mirage > butterfly 4. Ben Scarborough -- wrap > osis > inside delay 5. Brett Ables -- pixie toe > toe delay > atw Intermediate Shred :30 (adds + contact ratio x uniques, 2's were counted as uniques) 1. Andrew Coleman -- 57 + 2.375 x 12 = 85.5 2. Ben Scarborough -- 31 + 2.07 x 8 = 47.5 3. Paully O'Reilly -- 31 + 2.21 x 6 = 44.3 4. Josh Owens -- 22 +2.44 x 8 = 41.5 5. Brett Ables -- 20 + 1.67 x 6 = 30 Open Big 3 1. Jon Schneider -- whirling swirl > whirling swirl > whirling swirl (among other things) 2. Alex Faber -- ripwalk > spinning butterfly > pdx dlo Open Sick 1 1. Jon Schneider -- flipwalk (among other things ... the crowd went wildest over this) 2. Alex Faber -- gyro dlo Open Shred :30 (adds + contact ratio x uniques, 2's were not counted as uniques) 1. Jon Schneider -- 85 + 3.15 x 14 = 129 2. Alex Faber -- 74 + 2.96 x 14 = 115 Thanks again to all that came out or did what they could to support the event. I hope to see as great a turnout at the next Georgia event. Alex Faber From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:26:58 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA28029 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:26:58 -0700 Received: from web11406.mail.yahoo.com (web11406.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.236]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA11891 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 08:15:15 -0700 Message-ID: <20020513151510.16699.qmail@web11406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.63.20.96] by web11406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2002 08:15:10 PDT Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:15:10 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] Personal Records To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <004001c1f61c$31341aa0$9fe9b00a@publichealth.uiowa.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, It's all good. Kicking is not that important. My friend has been shreddin seriously for a couple months and he can hit more back to back symp mirages than regular inside kicks. You will eventually learn to control the bag with kicks without even practicing. My recent personal records..... ripped warrior x2 almost friggin 3. I can hit 2 on cammand now. :-) 6 unique 5's- ripped warrior> ripped warrior> blurry whirl> blurry whirl> pdx torque> ps whirl I think that is all. Later, James Risden From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:27:53 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA28106 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:27:53 -0700 Received: from web11403.mail.yahoo.com (web11403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.233]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA12288 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 08:21:42 -0700 Message-ID: <20020513152137.36594.qmail@web11403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.63.20.96] by web11403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2002 08:21:37 PDT Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:21:37 -0700 (PDT) From: James Risden Subject: Re: [freestyle] More stuff to hit To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <20020505023242.83979.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Eric Reile wrote: > Now gyro > dlo is called "whale tail" No way! I'm still callin' it gyro dlo. > And didn't Ken name Alpine Blurriest > "Leviathon"? Now it's twice as long, called > "Cristina > Aguilara." Hehe. This will always be Laviathan in my mind. Cristina Aguilara is the stupidest name. Later, James Risden From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:30:19 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA28302 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:30:19 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f126.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.126]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA04178 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 14:14:10 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 May 2002 14:14:06 -0700 Received: from 24.29.178.34 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 May 2002 21:14:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.29.178.34] From: "Chris Harry" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Whirl question Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:14:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2002 21:14:06.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D9008F0:01C1FAC3] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org SET > OP IN [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL] "...Hop off of the original setting leg as you finish the dexterity and catch the bag on a clipper delay." OK, first of all, when I try this, I do a toe set with my right foot and start the dex at almost the exact same time, and I can make it *look* like I am doing a whirl (as I hop for the dex, I also end up turning 180), but when I dissect the way I do the move, it seems like I'm just doing a "stylized" clipper delay...and my dex leg only seems to go under the "negative y axis" and never seems to go back over the top of the footbag or "positive y axis," I guess you could call it...is this right? And if it's not, could anyon give me any tips on how to hit it "cleanly"? Thanks a lot. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:31:15 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA28424 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:31:15 -0700 Received: from atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.179]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA06759 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 14:49:08 -0700 Received: from dialup-166.90.227.209.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([166.90.227.209] helo=jaymolde) by atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 177Ngl-0003Hq-00 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Mon, 13 May 2002 14:49:03 -0700 Message-ID: <00aa01c20e6d$319ea5a0$d1e35aa6@jaymolde> From: "Jay Moldenhauer" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 17:49:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well, I don't really think this will be the end of this, but for anyone that was around and able to go to a footbag training camp in 1985 (Scott D/Enlightener and myself attended), then they would have been taught and informed that what is supposed to be happening is a courtesy toss. Not a self serve toss. The old brochures for the game had this as one of its tenets. This applies to all who play the game. GASP! What did I just say...........a courtesy toss. The game in its purest form is about cooperation among many other things. The game has been spread throughout the world using this basic premise. I remember Dan "Dogman"(forgot his last name) traveling into Central America (using no corporate backing) and teaching footbag skills to anyone that was interested. This included making the bags as well as playing with the footbags. It was and still is a great way to get past language and cultural barriers. When using the courtesy toss properly, you can help new people look better at kicking than they really are. For the better players, if you drop the bag, forget it, YOU DROPPED THE BAG. End of story. If you feel the need to self serve, then you are into the game for yourself. If you feel the need to use the courtesy toss, then you are into the game for the evolution of the sport and the heights that we have not yet reached. My 2 cents, Jay Moldenhauer By the way, the old training camps were worth every penny that was paid. It was an investment not an expense. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:32:09 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA28556 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:32:09 -0700 Received: from moutvdomng1.kundenserver.de (moutvdomng1.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.181]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA21839 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 17:56:39 -0700 Received: from [195.20.224.204] (helo=mrvdom00.kundenserver.de) by moutvdomng1.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 177Qc4-0005wl-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 14 May 2002 02:56:24 +0200 Received: from [194.29.253.187] (helo=x) by mrvdom00.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 177Qc4-0005wK-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 14 May 2002 02:56:24 +0200 Message-ID: <001901c1faea$afcc5620$bbfd1dc2@x> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: References: <20020507.224307.7084.3.flutefreak7@juno.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 02:57:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ahoy List, obviously I'm the first 'European' on this thread. I need to say something, however sad this might be. Europe is the footbag continent of self-servers. I'm sad to tell you, but that's how it is. In fact, I can't remember any circle at any of the about ten events I've been to that enforced the no self-serving rule [which doesn't necessarily mean there weren't any]. Truly pitiful. The only person I really know to be an upright anti-self-server is Jan Zimmermann. Personally I think something needs to change, to evolve. I'll do my share. Matthias, Berlin84 From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:33:02 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA28721 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:33:02 -0700 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA22679 for ; Mon, 13 May 2002 18:07:37 -0700 Received: from [192.168.2.32] ([12.250.116.15]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020514010736.ZREK29832.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@[192.168.2.32]> for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 01:07:36 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:22:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette From: Scott Davidson To: Freestyle Listserv Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020508222006.34008.qmail@web9607.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! I never thought I would see the day where this long treasured and revered rule would be put into question, but self serving is just that. Self serving. The energy in the shred circle, or any circle is in the kinship and mutual goal of all involved to either keep the bag in the air or to observe the other highly creative and skilled people that are with you, while they pull off their phattest moves, and in general supporting each other (whether novice or advanced)... Or all of that, in an ideal world. One day, after "tiltless" came into the picture in the early 90's, we all evolved into a shred until you drop modus operandi... Which required no discussion and caused very little waves because when you were done shredding at a level that "pushes" your game, you would either end by kick-passing (when you tilted) or by picking it up and passing it so it continues to the next person in the circle. Order had emerged from chaos (see old skool, and kicking circles that randomly pass to others). The reason for no controversy? There was no cessation of the basic tenet of passing (never self-serving). Then, in the late 90's freestyle TOOK OFF! It is still upward right now, with no slow down in sight (snowballing!), and with that we have many new players who have come up and learned primarily through videos and the internet, how to play. They exist in "cells", small groups of talented kids that live near and play with each other in relative obscurity. I understand that once they get it into their culture to self-serve then it is adopted and accepted and this is an unfortunate fact. However, there is hope. We, those with the burden of over 15 years of having fun with a little bean bag, must take the lead of the Enforcer and make known to the newer players the importance of sharing the footbag experience with others. I have always led by example, passing on to people who never pass back, and even passing back to those who are notorious self-servers. I have laid low hoping the problem would go away, instead it has gotten worse. It is time for me to take a more vocal stand to help shape the sport for the new players on an upward track. So whenever playing with me in a circle, and I'll play with anyone, please know that when I am Enforcing, that it is for the betterment of the sport and not a personal attack. Please adjust accordingly. I am in full enforcement mode now. Please come to Chicago and shred with us, just plan on having tons of fun and passing to the left when you are done. See ya! Scott Davidson enlightener@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:34:14 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA28918 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:34:14 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f187.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.187]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA07490 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:36:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 May 2002 11:36:54 -0700 Received: from 24.64.223.204 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2002 18:36:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.64.223.204] From: "Jubal Hume" To: ckennedy@ems.salk.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:36:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2002 18:36:54.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[52454A70:01C1FB76] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >From: Cameron Kennedy >My name is Cameron and I'm a self server. I play 100% of my sessions in >public, sometimes without a shirt. I promote two touch no toss back as >the fastest way to keep the bag moving around the circle. I think four >tricks constitutes a full turn. Two touch provides the best experience >for the audience and the players. Players know when their turn is, and >spectators get to see more runs. >I think starting a run and kicking and starting again is the same as a >self serve, but each camp has their own rules to justify multiple tries. >If , instead of a hand catch, I need to kick the bag to take another turn >then I guess I can play no self serve at events, but I think it's all mind >games anyway, since you're still taking multiple tries under the disguise >of an elite one try system. >cameron I agree with this , mostly.. :-) but rather than complain..I will offer a solution...read on my fellow shredders.... My self and several others, have been playing a game called "the Build' for many years now..it does several things.. ONE: it promotes the bag getting around fast.. TWO: it makes it "fun"..[er] THREE: it involves no self serving..Or HUGE lengthy runs.. FOUR: it promotes comraudery and sportsmanship too.. this is how it works.. When the game begins...the first person to get the footbag does a short LOW add run..1-6 movez, then makes SURE to pass WELL and CLEANly..the next person attempts to Up the Anti a bit and still PASS WELL... as tit goes around [the bag that is] the runs get harder and slightly longer until we have done all our moves [that we know] this is a game to school reliability and PASSING ...as opposed to shredding till ya drop [much worse that a self start I think] and it is cool because it starts out low add..and then works it's way up to Big add stuff near the end...so...it helps to include new players and then expose then to high end stuff..all the while allowing them to feel comfortable and "involved'...try it...you may find that it works for you.. Jubal Hume From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:36:41 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA29275 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:36:41 -0700 Received: from email.seznam.cz (smtp.seznam.cz [212.80.76.43]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA12211 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:51:32 -0700 Received: (qmail 11357 invoked from network); 14 May 2002 19:51:20 -0000 Received: from a92-175.dialup.iol.cz (HELO masina) (194.228.175.92) by smtp.seznam.cz with SMTP; 14 May 2002 19:51:20 -0000 Message-ID: <200205142151180240.0005CBF1@smtp.seznam.cz> In-Reply-To: <20020507224906.3806.qmail@web20511.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020507224906.3806.qmail@web20511.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.01.01 (3) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:51:18 +0200 From: =?us-ascii?Q?=22Vojta_Pol=E1k=22?= To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by llic.net id MAA12211 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi there, It sounds pretty funny to me all you players getting so excited about self serving It seems to me that if I came to a circle with you I would get beaten to death after my first self-serve. But why? Calm down... It is just fun, a sport, not a matter of life and death. If you don't like someone self serving in your circle, just go away, or ask him(her) to go away and don't play with him again. No big deal. He will think twice ater that whether to self-serve again, if he wants to shred in a circle with you. If he doesn't he can self-serve as much as he wants, there is no law prohibiting that. It is rude, I agree, but it's everyone's own decision whether he wants to play with all the other non-self-serving players or to self serve alone. You have no right to tell me: You can not self serve. I can. And I will, whenever I want to. But I will have to carry the consequences. That's fine. I can live with that. P.S. I don't mean to offend anyone. It is just my personal opinion. ------------------------------------ Vojta Polák Moglum@volny.cz From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:38:31 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA29577 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:38:31 -0700 Received: from aeimail.aei.ca (aeimail.aei.ca [206.123.6.14]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA28903 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 15:50:28 -0700 Received: from laroche (dsl-59-3.aei.ca [216.221.59.3]) by aeimail.aei.ca (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id g4EMoQP10601 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 18:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301c1fb9a$bcaa5760$0100a8c6@laroche> From: "Nicholas Laroche" To: "Freestyle Footbag E-Mail List" Subject: [freestyle] Symp. whirl spin set? Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:57:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've come very close to hitting a symposium whirling spinning mirage...does the symp.whirl spin set already exist? if it does, what's it called? From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:39:37 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA29765 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:39:37 -0700 Received: from I (roadblock.danger.com [63.203.215.64]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA29760 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:39:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@209.125.90.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200205142151180240.0005CBF1@smtp.seznam.cz> References: <20020507224906.3806.qmail@web20511.mail.yahoo.com> <200205142151180240.0005CBF1@smtp.seznam.cz> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:39:30 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by llic.net id LAA29760 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 9:51 PM +0200 5/14/02, Vojta Pol·k wrote: >It seems to me that if I came to a circle with you I would get beaten to death >after my first self-serve. >But why? Calm down... It is just fun, a sport, not a matter of life and death. I agree. Get on with your lives. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:40:14 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA29883 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:40:14 -0700 Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA01773 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 16:57:12 -0700 From: Andrew Coleman Received: from CrazyHackier@cs.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.4e.b7626b3 (4398) for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4e.b7626b3.2a12fe45@cs.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:56:53 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Big Stuf To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 122 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi list. I was just checking to see if any youth on this list are going to the christian Big Stuf week long conference this summer with their youth group. I went last summer and there was a guy there who kind of kicked with me but I didn't really get to see his skills because he was barefooted, so dude if you're on the list and getting this, email me. If anyone is going this summer at the same time I am that would be really cool. -Andrew Coleman From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:40:56 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA30039 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:40:56 -0700 Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA09262 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 18:26:50 -0700 Received: from sdn-ar-003nynyorp253.dialsprint.net ([168.191.122.143] helo=0017407414) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 177nYn-0002Pj-00 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 14 May 2002 18:26:33 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c1fbaf$7c7e8700$8f7abfa8@0017407414> Reply-To: "Josh Penney" From: "Josh Penney" To: References: <200205132226.PAA09989@llic.net> Subject: RE: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:24:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >> * Self-serving is a way to practice a move - correct a >> mistake - while the idea is still fresh. >> >>> If you want practice, that's what solo freestyle is for! > Or, you can hold an extra bag in your hand, and if you drop > a move you feel you need to skool immediately afterwards, > you can pass the bag on and try it really quick with the > extra bag One should really step out of the circle to do this; if you want to try and hit it into/out of something, or if you just miss, you have the opportunity to try it twelve times without stepping on anyone's toes. Literally and figuratively. My name is JP and I'm a recovering self-server. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:41:34 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA30124 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:41:34 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA11961 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:00:17 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) id <0GW40AR01OXUXD@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GW40ANMHOXUEK@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 14 May 2002 19:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:58:13 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Playing Hack or Playing Footbag To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <3CCE2F08@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Recently I've seen a lot of posts about people who have been "hacking". This is not to upset anyone or put anyone down, but the proper name is "footbag". I know it sounds stupid and nitpicky, but there're reasons. Footbag IS the original name. See there're these places and websites and governing bodies called the World Footbag Association and Footbag.org and the Internation Footbag Players Association. All these and more with the name "footbag" in them. Not one mention of Hacky Sack. Why? "Hacky Sack" is a brand name that belongs to Whamo. Hack is that game you play with all the kids who aren't freestylers... you know the ones who try to get "hacks". By the time you are doing freestyle tricks and playing to get as many tricks as possible without a care to pass it on before dropping it... it no longer follows the official rules of "Hack". When I got my first Hacky Sack Brand Hacky Sack about 16 years ago the rules on the package were: 1) Don't use your hands 2) No one likes a hog so take a few controlled kicks and pass it on. 3) Try to get the bag to everyone in the circle before it drops...That's called a HACK. 4) Never say "Sorry" if you drop the bag...it's generally understood that you didn't mean to drop it. I'd say the only one of those rules that freestyle follows is rule number 1. I'd also venture to say that 99.99999% of the people who play don't even use Hacky Sack Brand Hacky Sacks. Smaller companies and individuals are making far better bags and it shows in the circles. So come on, be a non-conforming conformist. If you are a freestyler and you know it... say "footbag". It's noble, it's right, and goshdarnit people will like you for it. Not to mention that some people like the little anti-corporate establishment lesson. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 11:43:43 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA30463 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 11:43:43 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f123.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.123]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA20306 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 20:53:58 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 May 2002 20:52:49 -0700 Received: from 12.89.168.13 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 May 2002 03:52:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.89.168.13] From: "Jonathan Schneider" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Cinco de Mayo Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 23:52:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2002 03:52:49.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB77C710:01C1FBC3] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Everybody! I flew down to Ben Scarborough's Cinco de Mayo Footbag Fest last week, and wanted to tell everyone how awesome it was. Where do I start? With The Man Himself, Bustin' Ben Scarborough: Hospitality like I've never had. He put me and Alex Faber up in grand style at his place. I hesitate to give all the good details for fear that everyone will be knocking on his door for a place to crash, but I will say that I'd never had it so good at a kicker's house. You rule man! Sincere thanks go out to Leslie too. And he also put together a really cool event, or course. We had a great site to play, outdoors but covered. No sunburns for us! And lots of friendly visitors and spectators from the Disc Golf course. Ben also put together a great t-shirt and was generous with his prizes, mostly supplied by his own self. The event itself was just one day, Sunday, but we shredded hard in Augusta all evening Saturday. I do mean ALL evening too. Ben, Alex and I met up with Josh Owens and Andrew Coleman, who made the trip up from the Atlanta area, and after kicking till we were done, we tried to get in to Spider Man, but it was sold out, so we played at the theater for a long while too. Josh and Andrew were inspired by a visit from Daryl Genz and Dave Holton last summer, and now they're busting ducks and dexes all over. The next day, Brett Ables just dropped in from Chattanooga, Tenn, and Paully O'Reilly arrived from Savannah, or New Jersey, or something, and he brought his Blurry Blender with him. Where did you find that thing man? And when you come back to Jersey, bring one for me. I watched and saw all these guys learn and grow right in front of my eyes. It was almost surreal. Josh learned blender in just a few tries, and Andrew hit bubba-beater on both sides for the first time. Brett Ables just seemed to get better and better all day long. It seemed like a small event at first, but at some point while I had my eyes on the footbag, dozens more people poured in. Before I knew it there were fifty people in circles, showing off the beautiful bags they had sewn, or learning four-square. There were two foursquare courts active for a while, and I saw a big line to get into one. Maybe I'll try it myself one of these days. Ben planned an ambitious day, and I was pretty amazed at all the different events that he managed to pull off in just one afternoon. One of the best parts was how we finished so many consecs, four-square, and freestyle events, an awards ceremony and all, with just minutes to spare. Another highlight was the supportive crowd of spectators. There was about as many people watching and cheering as there were people playing, and during the freestyle events they cheered LOUD! They had the right stuff to cheer for, though. I was psyched to see every intermediate 'stlyer bust many nice moves in Shred 30, and none went away without a worthy combo in Big Three. And then there was Alex Faber. He pumped everybody up with his long guiltless strings (big spins, blenders and dynos, paradox drifter all over, and many cool DLO and Eggbeater variations, gyro; paradox; bubba; etc. etc. etc.) and his remarkable collection of shred tunes. Also did a fine job helping Ben M.C. the event. In all, it was a tremendously successful event, and I'm already looking foward to heading south again soon. Something in Atlanta in the fall would be cool... wink wink nudge nudge. And maybe next time, Ben, there'll be time to introduce me to more of your family. Till then, shred on, and may the force be with y'all. Outsider From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 19:02:43 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA02157 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 19:02:43 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07244 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 12:59:15 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) id <0GW706T01ZIMVU@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 13:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GW706SDRZIM38@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 13:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:39:26 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette To: freestyle Message-id: <3CCF5DB4@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I feel this discussion has been beaten to death. Doesn't it seem that it's gotten a little out of hand. This is worse than the "GREAT PARADOX DEBATE". I think it's been going on now for at least a month with at least one to ten responses each time the list is moderated. I propose calling an end to this thread for now. Undoubtedly it will come up again and be beaten to death again in the future. So...self-serve or don't self-serve. If you do be prepared to be called on it and accept the repercussions of said action. If you aren't called on it then at least try to realize that you are a selfish bastard somewhere in the back of your mind and make up for the loss of self esteem by hitting a phat 30 trick combo. Later, Brad (closeted self-server) From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 16 19:05:01 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA02358 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 19:05:01 -0700 Received: from sm14.texas.rr.com (sm14.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.41]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA15083 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 14:34:06 -0700 Received: from Tina (cs6668181-103.austin.rr.com [66.68.181.103]) by sm14.texas.rr.com (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with SMTP id g4GLekUm019879; Thu, 16 May 2002 16:40:47 -0500 Message-ID: <005601c1fd21$5f9a7270$b47ba8c0@Tina> Reply-To: "Tina Lewis" From: "Tina Lewis" To: "Jay Moldenhauer" , References: <00aa01c20e6d$319ea5a0$d1e35aa6@jaymolde> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:33:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org As Jay points out, the courtesy toss goes back to the original game of footbag to "hack" the sack. Everyone in the circle kicks it - the ultimate cooperative game. I think this was the first truly "cooperative" sport/game I had ever seen way back when. :-). Daniel Botkin is the creator of the dogsack and he has a cool website describing his work (http://www.valinet.com/~dbotkin/). Those not familiar with his Footbag for Peace Initiative should check it out. Tina Lewis. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 17 14:32:10 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA04664 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:32:10 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f23.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.23]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA21726 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 01:14:29 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 May 2002 01:14:28 -0700 Received: from 202.180.83.6 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 May 2002 08:14:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [202.180.83.6] From: "Kenny Stuart" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pixie Spinning Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:14:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2002 08:14:28.0924 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDA107C0:01C1FD7A] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Freestylers, I'm a big fan of pixie spinning sets and i was just wondering what moves have been hit from this set?. I have only just started playing with this set and have tried pixie spinning drifter and pixie spinning mirage along with afew others and I've only have luck with the pixie spinning mirage. I quite like Frantic set aswell and I have managed to come very close to Frantic ducking but I had no time to attempt anything. So any tips or feed back on these two sets would be very much appreciated. Thanks heaps. Kenny Shape Shifter. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 17 14:33:00 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA04728 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:33:00 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA25687 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 02:00:06 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) id <0GW808501PEQV9@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GW807NLUPEQX2@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 23:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:58:42 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] 2nd Chances/Courtesy Tosses To: freestyle Message-id: <3CCF986C@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This goes to etiquette, but has nothing to do with self-serving. It is specific to having been given a 2nd chance. If I have dropped a bag after a trick or two and it has been tossed back by the next person in the circle I have always made my second attempt on the same tricks that I screwed up the first time. I don't try something different or easier just so I can keep the bag longer. If anything I try to one-up the trick by adding a dex or spin or something else to make the trick worth the kindness of receiving the bag a second time. I figure that I'm getting the second chance to hit what I was going to hit and as a matter of that honor I attempt to do so. In the whole time I've played I have only deviated from this two or three times. I personally think it's not right to try something you can't hit, then get the bag for a second try and go on to hit the things you can hit. If that really was the goal then it should have been stuck to from the beginning. Meanwhile, the next person is awaiting their turn after having been kind enough to pass you the bag a second time to see you hit the phatty phatness you had tried the first time. Just my thoughts on the matter. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 17 14:34:29 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA04835 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:34:29 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f68.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.68]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA31903 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 04:57:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 May 2002 04:56:20 -0700 Received: from 63.60.196.33 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 May 2002 11:56:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.60.196.33] From: "Jeremy O'Wheel" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Playing Hack or Playing Footbag Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:56:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2002 11:56:20.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBE0F020:01C1FD99] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Brad, If you grew up playing "hacky sack" then what's wrong with calling it that when basically all you're playing now is an advanced version of it? Plenty of things are named after the brand that either invented them or made them popular. It isn't a bad thing. I personally much prefer Hacky sack to footbag. Footbag- a BAG that goes on your FOOT. How boring a name is that? Hacky sack sounds much more exciting (it makes people ask what a hacky is). So what if that's the original name, our language is evolving, we shouldn't try to be too conservetive, just flow with it! Jeremy P.S. And yes, I dislike "football" and other words like it as well!! >From: Brad Kaplan >Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:58:13 -0600 > >Recently I've seen a lot of posts about people who have been "hacking". >This >is not to upset anyone or put anyone down, but the proper name is >"footbag". From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 17 14:36:21 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA04956 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:36:21 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f65.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.65]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA04858 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 06:28:38 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 May 2002 06:27:33 -0700 Received: from 141.149.132.82 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:27:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.149.132.82] From: "Glenn Gentzke" To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Playing Hack or Playing Footbag Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:27:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2002 13:27:33.0006 (UTC) FILETIME=[99D07AE0:01C1FDA6] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Oh yes, the oh-so-common debate. well, here's my view on it: Hacky sack was always the name of the game when I first started to kick back in my middle school years. "footbag" was nothing, unknown, and no one worried. once I got into the sport aspect of not just kicking but incorporating the delays and such I started calling it footbag instead, by its true name. No matter what, I think that everyone will know what hacky sack is, whereas many fewer people will know about "footbag". Hell, let people call it what they will, does it really matter? I mean it seems like its an argument like calling skateboarding just skating, I mean, we're not using skates, nor are circle kickers using hacky sack brand bags. Alright, I just want to say let people call the sport what they will. I still consider just circle kicking hacking and freestyling footbag, it helps provide some differentiation. ~Glenn "BoZ" Gentzke From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 17 14:38:52 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA05090 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:38:52 -0700 Received: from animejunction.com ([64.157.3.130]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA15635 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 09:23:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 50770 invoked by uid 65534); 17 May 2002 16:24:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20020517162448.50769.qmail@animejunction.com> Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:24:48 +0000 From: "Peter Bevitori" Subject: [freestyle] Those funky, funky moves To: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: maddogbayleaf@nervhq.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by llic.net id JAA15635 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have been playing with Toby Robinson up here in Nevada City, and we have both been experimenting with some kinda funky reverse whirl action. If any of you have ever heard of a snowboarder, (it's a flying outside, with both of your feet together) it's kind of like that only whirling. In other words, set the bag, plant both of your feet close together, and jump over the bag catching it with your setting foot. It's kind of weird and there isn't really two dexes but it's fun! we've started to call this set "frosty" to stay with the snowboarder motiff. So far I've hit frosty whirl, frosty dyno, and frosty cross body rake(snowflake). Toby's probably hit way bigger stuff... Any ways, I know it's not really a set, but it's something cool to try every once and a while, just puttin' it out there! Peace out shreddaz! laters! peter bevitori! From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri May 17 14:39:55 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA05155 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 17 May 2002 14:39:55 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f9.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.9]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA24418 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 11:17:04 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 May 2002 11:17:02 -0700 Received: from 209.115.237.234 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:17:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.115.237.234] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:17:02 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2002 18:17:02.0940 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B1A11C0:01C1FDCF] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >>It seems to me that if I came to a circle with you I would get beaten to >>death >>after my first self-serve. >>But why? Calm down... It is just fun, a sport, not a matter of life and >>death. > >I agree. Get on with your lives. :-) Seriously! 50 lashes for the dead palomino, then let's see if it can still run! I think everyone on this list understands what it means to be in a circle with fellow shredders. It's not like I'm gonna let you bust a 3 second combo then self serve 50 times till I hit a 7 add move, cuz that's obviously not allowed. But even if there was no rule, I still wouldn't self serve AFTER A SHORT ASS COMBO. I'm no asshole, and most people here aren't assholes when they shred with new people either. Self serving is frowned upon, but pleez, on the flipside, chill out! Self-serving originated when people were getting full hacks, and the first hack was tainted if you self-served. Now, it's a "who gets the most play" thing, and that's dumb. If someone gets less play, and they're having a bummer of a time, I'm not gonna welt them if they self-serve! However... If someone is intermediate in shred, and takes pride in their ability to bust huge combos, IMMEDIATELY they should know that self-serving is off. If you can bust a big combo, you should NOT be self-serving. Period. This argument will never end unless we end it, so I'm definitely not posting to this thread any more. I suggest you follow my lead unless you want an inbox clogged with messages about the exact same thing 15 times a day. Am I a self-server? Who cares? If you don't want me self serving, I won't. If I feel out of place in a circle full of self servers, I will self serve. It's a bag of friggin' sand people! Dylan Livingston From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 22 00:14:15 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA04077 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 22 May 2002 00:14:15 -0700 Received: from I (dhcp212.llic.net [209.125.90.212]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA04074 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 00:14:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@209.125.90.2 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:14:11 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] New judging system being tested at Western Regionals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Folks, We'll be trying out a new judging system this weekend, but, unfortunately, very few of you slacker hackers rose to my challenge and actually wasted the ridiculous 3 minutes it takes to PRE-REGISTER if you're competing. So, I will stick to my guns, and not give you the details of the new judging system until the threshold I set of *10* open players actually go sign up now. Just do it now, stop lolly-gagging. Double-click here: http://www.footbag.org/registration/register?tid=1012638214 Then, after 2 more people pre-register, I'll consider telling you how you'll be judged. Otherwise, you'll have to just find out at the event.. By the way, online registration closes on Thursday so don't waste another minute. Just do it now. I mean, REALLY, it's fast and easy. Why wouldn't you do it? (Unless of course you're not attending or competing.) So, those of you attending or competing, I mean, c'mon, what do I have to do to get you to register? Call you all individually? Hello? Is anyone there? Is this thing on? Thanks. Steve P.S. Western Regional Footbag Championships, one of the best events all year, is happening in Palo Alto at Stanford University this weekend -- May 25, 26, 27 -- on Wilbur Field (along Campus Drive West). Just go here to get more info: http://www.footbag.org/events/show/1012638214 From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 28 14:41:50 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA19626 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:41:50 -0700 Received: from mailout6.nyroc.rr.com (mailout6-1.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.177]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA08190 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:21:29 -0700 Received: from wackerow (syr-24-169-186-206.twcny.rr.com [24.169.186.206]) by mailout6.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/RoadRunner 1.20) with SMTP id g4HMLS100676 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002301c1fdf1$1f86d400$cebaa918@wackerow> From: "Paul Wackerow" To: "Freestyle@footbag" Subject: [freestyle] Help needed and much appreciated Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:20:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am considerably new to the sport, but can do some stuff already such as around the worlds and occasionally even a double around the world... BUT, I am having trouble with a couple things: CLIPPER:.. any help suggestions to help me master this? it's not coming along too easy.. I can't really bend my ankle properly even though I've tried to stretch it over time now and the whole stalling motion behind the leg is giving me a hard time... any tips on how to "work out" or stretch my ankles and feet? and also when I have the bag in a toe stall, I'm having trouble flicking it up very high... to get it anywhere I have to raise my knee forcefully to get the bag to around (at the highest) chest height... although I see people all the time who can just simply flick the hack up to their head height without having to lift their knee very high, or at all.. again, any pointers as to how to increase the strength in my ankle so I can quickly flick the bag in certain directions (preferably up most the time of course) ANY help would be most appreciated, thanks a lot! -Paul (terabyte@footbag.org) From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 28 14:42:26 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA19638 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:42:26 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f90.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.90]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA10774 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 16:04:36 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 May 2002 16:04:32 -0700 Received: from 209.115.237.234 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:04:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.115.237.234] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Playing Hack or Playing Footbag Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:04:32 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2002 23:04:32.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[348F23B0:01C1FDF7] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A lot of people look at me weird when I say "footbag". They say, ooh, I thought it was hacky sack, I guess I'm outta the know an' all that rot, whot? But everyone knows what you're talking about when you say hacky sack. It seems to me that sometimes the word "footbag" is used in a badly elite fashion. WE are better than YOU because WE know it's a brand name and YOU don't (said in a thick Swedish accent). But 'eh laddie, we're all kickin' the same haggis-sack! Sure it's a brand name, and a bad one at that, but it's still a great short-form way of stating our favorite pastime in a way that nearly everyone in the world will understand. We don't need to get all "clockwork orangy" inventing our own secret code of Dexes and Clippers and futabaggens. We're just tryin' to have fun! Dylan Livingston From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 28 14:43:25 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA19714 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:43:25 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f161.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.161]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA27419 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:20:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:20:01 -0700 Received: from 210.50.100.60 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2002 03:20:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.50.100.60] From: "Hanz Freller" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Worlds 2002 Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 03:20:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2002 03:20:01.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[E56D60C0:01C1FE1A] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello my freestyling freaks from Foreign places abroad, I know thats it early times yet, but like they say "the early bird catches the worm" so I was wondering as to what the chances would be for a guy from little old New Zealand like myself ,on a tight budget might I add, would have at finding lodgings close to the events that are being run over the duration of the Worlds 2002 Competition. If anyone could help please e-mail on blurry7@hotmail.com Hanz From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 28 14:45:36 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA19834 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:45:36 -0700 Received: from web12807.mail.yahoo.com (web12807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.42]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id UAA29656 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:41:12 -0700 Message-ID: <20020518034107.87660.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.230.224.87] by web12807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 May 2002 20:41:07 PDT Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:41:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Baker Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag freestyle etiquette To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am sick of hearing all this stuff on Freestyle etiquette stuff. Just stop it! I am sick of reading about all this! Kenny has spoken and he said DO NOT SELF SERVE! I would say listen to Kenny! If it were not for him we would not all be shredding! Listen to the man. Whatever he says pretty much is the law. We are all open to interpratation of this but kenny said it and I am listening. Stop writing about this! Next thing you know we will be debating on if clipper should really be a clipper or how much we all had to drink today. Peace, Matt From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 28 14:48:05 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA19990 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:48:05 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f92.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.92]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA04465 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:29:44 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 May 2002 23:29:43 -0700 Received: from 64.109.202.245 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2002 06:29:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.109.202.245] From: "Ian Dubman" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Playing Hack or Playing Footbag Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 01:29:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2002 06:29:43.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[65D2A530:01C1FE35] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org FrAHnk G. inspired me... Now, if only Paul Mestas or Genzu would contact me concerning those footbags and juggling balls. :/ By the way, Hi Frank... TOPIC AT HAND: Um, I agree with Brad on this one. You don't call baseball or basketball Rawlings. You dont call tennis or volleyball Wilson (well, Tom Hanks does...). And skaters (i.e, skateboarders) do not call their boards Powell or Santa Cruz. My point is that this is not a Band-Aid, Super-Glue, or a Kleenex, this is a sport--like it or not. All sports are called by a non-brandname. And yes Regis, that is my final answer... Ian Dubman From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 28 14:48:28 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA20026 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:48:28 -0700 Received: from web14704.mail.yahoo.com (web14704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.121]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA18720 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:49:12 -0700 Message-ID: <20020519004911.40517.qmail@web14704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.228.67.47] by web14704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 May 2002 17:49:11 PDT Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Graham Subject: [freestyle] Funtastick Summer Classic Footbag Tournament in Harrisburg, Pa To: freestyle@list.footbag.org In-Reply-To: <00aa01c20e6d$319ea5a0$d1e35aa6@jaymolde> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org You guys will have no idea how thrilled I was when I found out that there was a footbag tournament in Harrisburg (about 20 minutes from my house). It takes place Sept 1st 2nd and 3rd. I am considering registering under novice freestlye. If i practice a lot, by the time of the comp., I should be able to do many 3 add tricks. For those of you who were there previous years, would I be good enough to enter under the novice division? I have no idea how I would stand up to the competition. Well, I'll tell you right now, there is NOTHING to do in Harrisburg. There is an IMAX Theatre, a small mall, and a pretty nice civil war museum. Alhough, the competition is taking place during the Kebola Festival. There is some good music, and the annual Rubber Duck Regada (you'll see when you get there!). Well, if anyone is planning on going, and is as bored in Harrisburg as I always am, get in contact with me and we can get together and shred some. Thanx a lot! Alan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 28 14:49:46 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA20113 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:49:46 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f265.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.143]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA30634 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:48:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:46:56 -0700 Received: from 209.115.237.234 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 May 2002 18:46:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.115.237.234] From: "Dylan Livingston" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Move endings Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:46:55 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2002 18:46:56.0182 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CC89560:01C1FF65] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all! I've got a few new move-enders to add to the list! For those of you who missed it the first time, I'm trying to find out what can be hit ON THE WAY DOWN. As opposed to sets, which have to be completed before the bag peaks, all of this stuff is possible after the bag peaks, on the way down from the set. NEW ADDITIONS: Twirl (Pixie Twirl)=Back Swirl(DEX)>Back Spin(BOD)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL) Swivel (Fairy Swivel)=No Plant While Back Swirl(DEX)(BOD)>Back Spin(BOD)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL) Swirl (Whirling Swirl)=Back Swirl(DEX)>Same Clip(XBD)(DEL) Reverse Swirl (Pixie Reverse Swirl)=Front Swirl(DEX)>Same Clip(XBD)(DEL) Crossbody Rake (Swish=Fairy XBD Rake)=>XBD Rake(DEL)(XBD)(DEX) Refraction (Stepping Refraction)=Inside(DEL)>Op Out(DEX)?? Eclipse (Atomic Eclipse)=Jump(BOD)>Inside(DEL)>Op Out(DEX)>Set Butterfly Kick (Flying Legbeater)=Jump(BOD)>Out(DEX)>Op Clip(XBD) Dragonfly (Fairy Dragonfly)=Jump(BOD)>In(DEX)>Op Inside Reversival (Switcheroo=Fairy Reversival)=No Plant While Back Swirl(DEX)(BOD)>Back Spin(BOD)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL) Reverse Twirl (Pixie Reverse Twirl)=Back Swirl(DEX)>Back Spin(BOD)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL) Vetus(Butterfly XBD Rake) (Fairy Vetus)=Out(DEX)>Op XBD Rake(XBD)(DEL)(DEX) Buttertwirl (Puree=Ripwalk Twirl)=Out(DEX)>Op Front Swirl(DEX)>Back Spin(BOD)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL) Ripwalk (Yoda=Pixie Ripwalk)=In(DEX)>Op Out(DEX)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL) Dada Curve (Pogo Paradox Dada Curve)=In(DEX)>No Plant While Op Out(DEX)>Op Clip(XBD)(DEL) And here's a list of what was there before: Mirage Pickup Whirl Drifter Butterfly Grifter Legover Illusion Symposium Mirage Flail Symposium Whirl Butterfly Swirl Whirling Swirl Symposium Whirling Swirl Dada Double Switchover Eggbeater Double Butterfly Barrage Whirr Reverse Whirl Symposium Eggbeater Double Legover Symposium Blur (Backside) Nova Superfly Blender Torque Dyno Flux Motion Symposium Torque That's all I can think of for now. Has anyone hit some set into: Symposium Flux Backside Blizzard Double Pickup Symposium Ripwalk Symposium Barrage Barroque Or anything else not on this list? Take it easy everyone! Dylan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 28 14:51:42 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA20244 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:51:42 -0700 Received: from mx8.mail.ru (mx8.mail.ru [194.67.57.18]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA01097 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 09:37:25 -0700 Received: from f13.int ([10.0.0.105] helo=f13.mail.ru) by mx8.mail.ru with esmtp (Exim MX.8) id 179q6T-000Bfc-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 20 May 2002 20:33:45 +0400 Received: from mail by f13.mail.ru with local (Exim 3.14 #1) id 179q9v-00055J-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 20 May 2002 20:37:19 +0400 Received: from [64.231.69.245] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2002 19:37:19 +0300 From: "Tony Zverev" To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: Subject: [freestyle] Leather Lavers Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [64.231.69.245] Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:37:19 +0300 Reply-To: "Ucho" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi footbag fellaz. Yesterday i bought a pair of Lavers in Toronto. But they are leather ones. What are u saying about this shoes? Is it a big difference between nylon ones and leather ones? Are leather shoes still good for freestyle? Shred On, Tony Zverev From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 28 14:52:47 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA20303 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:52:47 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f29.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.29]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA18058 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 13:53:28 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 May 2002 13:53:28 -0700 Received: from 165.247.162.171 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 20 May 2002 20:53:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.162.171] From: "David Wilder" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] A Footbag Zine Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:53:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2002 20:53:28.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[6493A5E0:01C20040] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have been talking to a few people located on another footbag forum about a possiblity for a footbag magazine. This would most likely focus on freestyle but would eventually reach out to net, 4 square, etc. If you are in the business, please contact me (enderbass14@hotmail.com) with ideas. We were also hoping that the IFPA could help us with funds for this magazine. The original idea for this was just to have something to flash at people who ask what "hacky sack" is and what the heck we're doing when we're shredding. So if you have any input for this, please respond. This zine is still in the planning stages but will most likely get off the ground in the near future. Thank you for your time and consideration. Sincerely, David "The Foot" Wilder From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 28 14:54:00 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA20401 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:54:00 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA20649 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 14:29:46 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) id <0GWF06L018Z8FK@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:06:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GWF06MDS8Z8J4@clem.mscd.edu>; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:06:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:46:56 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Playing Hack or Playing Footbag To: freestyle , "Jeremy O'Wheel" Message-id: <3CD0CB8F@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Jeremy O'Wheel ===== >If you grew up playing "hacky sack" then what's wrong with calling it that >when basically all you're playing now is an advanced version of it? Oh contraire mon frere. Hacky Sack is an advanced version of Footbag, not the other way around. I would definitely say (as originally posted) that most of us don't follow the rules to Hacky Sack. By the time you are freestyling, you have given up the basic rules of Hacky Sack (previously listed) and pretty much the brand as well. >Plenty of things are named after the brand that either invented them or made >them popular. It isn't a bad thing. No, but whether you are spending $2.99 for brand X tissue, or $5.99 for Kleenex brand tissues, you are buying them for the exact same purpose. You don't spend the extra $3 on kleenex because it's a better tissue to make attempts to shove it up one nostril and pull it out the other, without using your hands. However, when you spend $4.99 on a Hacky Sack or even a Sipa and then upgrade to spend $30 on an Abshire you are definitely not buying the Abshire to just hack around. Even buying a revolution which is comparable in price is not bought to just hack around. There are always exceptions to the rule. I'd say it about 99% to 1% in favor of what I'm saying. >I personally much prefer Hacky sack to >footbag. Footbag- a BAG that goes on your FOOT. How boring a name is that? > Hacky sack sounds much more exciting (it makes people ask what a hacky >is). Spider-man...a man who has powers like a spider. Batman...a man who fights crime dressed like a bat. Superman... a man who is super. X-men... men and women who have an x gene. That is a list of the top selling comic books also among the top grossing movies in the world. How Boring!?! Football, Basketball, Baseball. 3 of the top four major sporting events. The superbowl ranks the highest ratings in television every year. Hacky Sack... that childish sounding sport that burned out hippies play. Not that that is my view, but it is certainly A view and one that the professional Community of Footbag tries to distance itself from. >So what if that's the original name, our language is evolving, we >shouldn't try to be too conservetive, just flow with it! EXACTLY! Our language is evolving. No one knew what footbag was 15 years ago. Except for a relatively small number. Yesterday I was in a store looking for shoes and when the woman asked what I was going to use them for I said "footbag" and she knew exactly what I was talking about. Call it what you will, just know there is a difference. Footbag is taking off. Hacky Sack is dying out. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 28 14:54:31 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA20433 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:54:31 -0700 Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20611 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 18:32:11 -0700 Received: from [192.168.2.32] ([12.250.116.15]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020522013211.UIMJ13253.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@[192.168.2.32]>; Wed, 22 May 2002 01:32:11 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:32:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Those funky, funky moves From: Scott Davidson To: , Freestyle Listserv Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020517162448.50769.qmail@animejunction.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi All! On 5/17/02 11:24 AM, "Peter Bevitori" wrote: > ever heard of a snowboarder, (it's a flying outside, with both of > your feet together) it's kind of like that only whirling. In other words, set > the bag, plant both of your feet close together, and jump over the bag > catching it with your setting foot. Sounds like Double Helix to me. > So far I've hit frosty whirl, frosty dyno, and frosty > cross body rake(snowflake). Thanks for the ideas, nice expansion of concept! Very flamboyant! > Toby's probably hit way bigger stuff... Hi Toby! Keep stickin' the long strings! See ya! Scott Davidson enlightener@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 28 14:57:09 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA20632 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:57:09 -0700 Received: from mail23.bigmailbox.com (mail23.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.203]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14064 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:13:30 -0700 Received: (from www@localhost) by mail23.bigmailbox.com (8.11.6/8.10.0) id g4MIDXb25461; Wed, 22 May 2002 11:13:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:13:33 -0700 Message-Id: <200205221813.g4MIDXb25461@mail23.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [24.128.13.123] From: "Neil Bornstein" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] X-body heel rake Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I put up a move awhile ago which ended with a cross-body heel rake. I had thought that a cross-body rake was one where the raking foot ended on the opposite side. I recently saw a video of a xbd rake at www.flipsider.com, and what I was picturing was kind of the reverse of that, where the bag is caught on the outside then brought and released cross-body. So, I apologize for any confusion that caused. Out of curiosity, what would a rake going to cross-body as opposed as away from it be? Thanks, Neil "Thwap Man" Bornstein From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 28 14:58:26 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA20722 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:58:26 -0700 Received: from mgr3.xmission.com (mgr3.xmission.com [198.60.22.203]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA17828 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 16:11:36 -0700 Received: from mail by mgr3.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17B1k4-0004Uy-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 23 May 2002 17:11:32 -0600 Received: from [198.60.22.22] (helo=mail.xmission.com) by mgr3.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17B1k4-0004Uv-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 23 May 2002 17:11:32 -0600 Received: from [166.70.6.90] (helo=Sales4) by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17B1k3-00032d-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 23 May 2002 17:11:32 -0600 From: "Adam Scarisbrick" To: Subject: [freestyle] SLC local Footbag , Diablo , and Stix Play Comp Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:06:39 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests= version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello , I have just recently joined the mailing list . I am a novice player with my best trick being the eggbeater or around the world into eclipse . Here in Salt Lake I am having a competition for locals to get involved in these activities ( flower stix, diablo , and freestyle footbag ) . Since this is my first time , I was wondering if anyone could give me input on how to judge this , or if anyone would like to be a judge . The competition will be the 24th of July in Salt Lake City Utah . Thank you for reading , I look forward to hearing from who I can . Adam Scarisbrick Liston Concepts 800-221-8500 (fax) 801-972-8338 Lunastix@liston.com From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue May 28 14:58:57 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA20798 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 28 May 2002 14:58:57 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f15.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.15]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA10050 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 20:49:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 25 May 2002 20:49:55 -0700 Received: from 216.148.244.38 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 26 May 2002 03:49:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.148.244.38] From: "Simon Hughes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Ways of Improving your game Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 15:49:54 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2002 03:49:55.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[65D3BB80:01C20468] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Footbaggers I've been thinking of ways to improve my game and some of the things seem to work so I want to share it with you guys You might think I sound stupid or these are obvious Positive Thinking- If you think a move is hard or you think you won't be able to hit it, it?s almost impossible to hit it but if you think it?s easy you get closer. Monkey See, Monkey Do- If you watch the pro's doing the moves and visualise you are just like them when you are doing it. Visualisation- When not playing you can pretend in your mind that you are and landing all your moves (It was tested that one basketball team just visualised getting there shots in and the other practised hard out for two weeks, in the end they both got the same amount of shots in when compared. ((Or something like that :))) Does this make sense to you? Well I hope so :) and please if you have anything else that can improve one's footbag game, please add. Cyall Simon Shredz -Lemur- Btw I always pass the bag, and never self serve :P From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 29 08:18:58 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA15393 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:18:58 -0700 Received: from smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.38]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA27561 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:17:49 -0700 Received: from alex ([24.50.240.222]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay6 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with SMTP id GWUGL600.61V for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 19:15:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c2069d$988859a0$0201a8c0@clvhoh.adelphia.net> From: "Alex Ciarlillo" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ways of Improving your game Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:15:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Im still not very good yet but I believe strength is the key further improving your game. I have taken some of the philosophies of Bruce Lee and incorporated it into my thoughts on my footbag game. His belief was that strength is the most fundamental element of the body. Strength = power, power = force, force = speed. strength = speed. Technique is a main factor in the execution of footbag moves, this is why we all practice so much but speed can help us to improve on our current abilities. Lee made an arguement, using the game of golf as an example, that a weaker man with more skill can surely hit a ball farther than a stronger man, but the weaker man is limiting himself not in his skill but his strength. With improved strength backing one's skill they can get even further. I realize that practicing a lot can also help build leg strength and dexterity but I have found weight and plyometric training a huge help in building raw muscle strength for increased speed and agility along with increased balance. Way back when I ahd the worst trouble clipper stalling because I couldnt balance, my leg became shaky because it was to weak, I tried to figure out which muscles were used for that movement and incorporated an exercise for them in my workout within a week I was clipper stalling with no trouble. Some of you may not believe that strength training can make such a difference or might say that it is time that could be spent practicing but I have seen firsthand the benefits of my workouts and the impact they can have on my game. -Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Hughes" Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 11:49 PM > Hello Footbaggers > > I've been thinking of ways to improve my game and some of the things seem to > work so I want to share it with you guys From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 29 08:21:17 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA15484 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:21:17 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f110.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.110]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA12894 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:11:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:11:17 -0700 Received: from 66.41.29.54 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 03:11:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.41.29.54] From: "Adam Hebel" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Help with some moves? Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:11:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2002 03:11:17.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FA15E70:01C206BE] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Novice is my game and maybe slightly intermediate. I am able to do: Pixie,around the world, osis, clipper, jester, butterfly, dragonfly, walkover, mirage,legover, plus some other basic moves. Novice or intermediate? Anyways I am able to do an inside kick/stall w/ my left foot but not even close w/ my right foot.(i cant get the inside of my right foot parallel w/ the ground). Is there any stretches w/ warmups that i could do. Any suggestions would be VERY helpful. Please email me back personaly. hebster2001@hotmail.com Thanks, Adam one more question.. what is a toe; Tue, 28 May 2002 15:15:05 -0700 Received: from webmail.ualberta.ca (webmail.srv.ualberta.ca [129.128.5.74]) by pilsener.srv.ualberta.ca (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g4SMEwb00339 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 16:14:58 -0600 (MDT) X-WebMail-UserID: gbuksa Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:16:17 -0600 From: Graham Buksa To: freestyle@footbag.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00003228 Subject: RE: [freestyle] Ways of Improving your game Message-ID: <3CF5E8B9@webmail.ualberta.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.08 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Kids, If you are thinking of ways to improve your game, here is my suggestion: Skipping- I would have never done this on my own, but when one of my roomates started skipping, I ended up picking up that skipping rope too. Over the next week I really noticed that I got much quicker and some moves became easier. .::GRaham::. >===== Original Message From "Simon Hughes" ===== >Hello Footbaggers > >I've been thinking of ways to improve my game and some of the things seem to >work so I want to share it with you guys From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 29 08:47:16 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA17093 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:47:16 -0700 Received: from mailout6.nyroc.rr.com (mailout6-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.125]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02314 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 17:59:17 -0700 Received: from 1sgpz01 (syr-66-24-59-181.twcny.rr.com [66.24.59.181]) by mailout6.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/RoadRunner 1.20) with SMTP id g4T0xFD01499 for ; Tue, 28 May 2002 20:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002101c206ac$574e8360$b53b1842@twcny.rr.com> From: "Tyler Linscot" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ways of Improving your game Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:01:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org 2 things I have done to dramaticaly improve my shreding. 1. kick with a hard footbag. 2. kick in basketball shoes. Both of these are learn by disadvantage type ideas. I don't suggest doing either of these in a circle, but taking one day a week and using a hard hack or some heavy bouncy b-ball shoes, while frustrating at first , will give you alot more control and speed. granted my advice shouldn't be taken as seriously as long time players, i've only been kickin for 5 months, but I can hit drifters , whirls, dlo, and infinties, and my consec record is 453. I attribute most of that to my time i spend with my rock hard bag and my nikes. Then when I take out my sand filled facil 32 panel and my lavers i shred like theres no tommorrow. try it and let me know what you think. always kickin' tyler From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 29 08:51:10 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA17350 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:51:10 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f27.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.27]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA16797 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:42:49 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:42:49 -0700 Received: from 24.29.178.34 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:42:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.29.178.34] From: "Chris Harry" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] 'Tricking' off or on to objects Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:42:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2002 15:42:49.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C4D39B0:01C20727] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Has anyone ever tried tricking off of stuff with a footbag? I'd never thought about it until I saw the enter page at flipsider.com ... also it can be a lot of fun, just make sure you pace yourself on height or you're gonna hurt yourself, like I'll do ducking butterflies down about a 3-stair high ledge, but for something higher, I might only attempt a hop-over or two, also try doing osis' or butterflies up stuff - it's easier than it seems. At the mall where I work, I'm always on break tricking up and down, then continuing my shred on the top of this wide ledge, then finishing off by doing a trick off of it, it's just a lot of fun...also has anyone ever tried incorporating something to do tricks off of in their routines like this? ps I had not seen it before, but when was the shoe-review by Ellis Piltz done? He reviewed my first shoe the ES Koston 1... I used that shoe in my transition from skateboarding to shredding, and yes it is heavy but has excellent inside and an exceptional outside surfaces...I found it harder to do wraps in original lavers than I could in the Kostons. I'm just kinda surprised because at the time I had bought the Kostons because I heard they're pretty good skateboarding shoes, but decent for freestyle I guess. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed May 29 08:52:37 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA17450 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:52:37 -0700 Received: from foundationcomputing.net (donorport.org [207.160.174.56]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA16811 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 08:42:52 -0700 Received: from dfiatx96-031.dfiatx.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.96.31] verified) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 1327417 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Wed, 29 May 2002 10:35:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:42:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: [freestyle] List Moderation From: Derrick Fogle To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear list members, I'm sorry for such a shoddy list moderation job. I try to get messages out every day, but I fail more often than I succeed. Sometimes it even stretches out for a week before I can get messages out. I know everyone hates a 'dead' list, and I'm sorry I can't make it be just a bit more lively. Looking at my summer schedule, I see at least one day a week and one week a month where I won't be able to do the job of list moderator properly. I really don't want the list to fall apart because I can't pay attention to it. Steve will always be 'backup' for list moderation, but... I'm asking you - the freestyle list specifically first - if there might be any interest in a 'tour of duty' for list moderation. It takes as much as 30 minutes a day, and you have to be an "A" grade student of written English and grammar. It certainly helps to have a very good understanding of freestyle, moves, the add system, etc. An understanding of how internet email works is probably important, as well. If anyone feels like rising to the challenge, please email me personally. -Derrick From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 30 12:06:20 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA05753 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 30 May 2002 12:06:20 -0700 Received: from web14708.mail.yahoo.com (web14708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.125]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id SAA22748 for ; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:34:35 -0700 Message-ID: <20020530013434.11783.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.228.67.47] by web14708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2002 18:34:34 PDT Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Graham Subject: [freestyle] Dirtbags To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have a few questions about dirtbags (and I don't mean the ones in Washington). I had a dirtbag before I began getting serious about footbagging, and bought my 32-panel facile. I always practice with my 32 panel, but every once in a while I bust out my dirtbag, and seem to do a lot better with it. It is much easier to stall, and I can improve my consistency with it. Do any pros use dirtbags? Are they even allowed in competition? From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu May 30 12:12:00 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA06082 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 30 May 2002 12:12:00 -0700 Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA04654 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 11:48:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 1124 invoked from network); 30 May 2002 18:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dell) ([216.27.176.244]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 May 2002 18:48:00 -0000 From: "Eric Wulff" To: "freestyle@footbag. Org" Subject: [freestyle] Western Regional - shred results are in... Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:43:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, on behalf of the freestyle crew of Western Regional I apologize for the technical difficulties which postponed our ability to calculate results of the shred contest on finals day. Okay, so they weren't actually technical difficulties... we forgot to bring the footage of the shred competition to the site on Monday so we couldn't judge/calculate results until, yesterday. So, without further ado, here are the results. Plaques will be in the mail to the top 3 finishers shortly... Tricks Add Unique Shred Adds Attempted Ratio Tricks Score ---- --------- ----- ------ ------ Ryan Mulroney 114 34 3.35 24 194.47 Sunil Jani 93 30 3.10 21 158.10 Daryl Genz 101 29 3.48 16 156.72 Allen Haggett 95 29 3.28 16 147.41 Toby Robinson 96 32 3.00 11 129.00 Richie Abshire 76 28 2.71 14 114.00 Jeremy Benton 81 28 2.89 10 109.93 thank you Eric Wulff 2002 Western Regional Freestyle Coordinator