From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jun 3 23:26:48 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA24254 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:26:48 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f47.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.47]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA02222 for ; Thu, 30 May 2002 19:39:35 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 May 2002 19:38:26 -0700 Received: from 208.141.176.47 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 May 2002 02:38:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.141.176.47] From: "Jim Penske" To: sadar@adelphia.net, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ways of Improving your game Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 02:38:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2002 02:38:26.0911 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DEA7EF0:01C2084C] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I don't think doing excercises for your legs is the key to freestyle. As Peter Irish said, you can lose muscle coordination and memory from doing excercises other than FOOTBAG. If you want strong, fast legs than you should SHRED! Nothing is better practice for footbag than footbag itself. peace, Jim Penske >From: "Alex Ciarlillo" >Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:15:45 -0400 > >Im still not very good yet but I believe strength is the key further >improving your game. I have taken some of the philosophies of Bruce Lee and >incorporated it into my thoughts on my footbag game. His belief was that >strength is the most fundamental element of the body. Strength = power, >power = force, force = speed. strength = speed. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jun 3 23:36:57 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA24534 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:36:57 -0700 Received: from mailout5.nyroc.rr.com (mailout5-1.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.169]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA06149 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 18:36:57 -0700 Received: from 1sgpz01 (syr-66-24-59-181.twcny.rr.com [66.24.59.181]) by mailout5.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/RoadRunner 1.20) with SMTP id g511asf14082 for ; Fri, 31 May 2002 21:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000b01c2090d$226d2bc0$b53b1842@twcny.rr.com> From: "Tyler Linscot" To: Subject: [freestyle] Novice / Intermediate Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:39:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Coming from a town where a hitting a jester gets a round of applause, I'm realy shocked about the e-mails from people who are pulling mirages and butterflies and still considering themselfs "novice". A novice is someone without footbag experience. I kick with novices all the time. There is nothing wrong with being a novice , but just because you can't pull a string of add 3's doesn't mean you're not intermediate. To me you are DEFINITELY NOT a novice if you can: 1.pull 4 or more consecutive toe stalls(switching feet) 2.pull an around the world 3.have hit a clipper In my opinion once you've got those down you're intermediate. Obviously there are intermediates that pull alot sicker stuff than that, but give yourself credit. Everyone starts somewhere and in my opinion thats where intermediates start. Proud intermediate, Tyler From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jun 3 23:42:47 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA24786 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:42:47 -0700 Received: from henreid.umail.ucsb.edu (henreid.umail.ucsb.edu [128.111.151.215]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA05965 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:26:50 -0700 Received: from http by henreid.umail.ucsb.edu with local (Exim 3.35 #2) id 17EOpE-000DMC-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 01 Jun 2002 23:26:48 -0700 Received: from 128.111.182.30 ( [128.111.182.30]) as user hackman@incoming.umail.ucsb.edu by webaccess.umail.ucsb.edu with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:26:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1022999208.3cf9baa8761af@webaccess.umail.ucsb.edu> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:26:48 -0700 From: Jeremy Mirken To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Sailing set is cool! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org List, I've been experimenting lately with the sailing set, aka pixie atomic set. Today, I hit two moves off of it, my first two sailing moves ever actually. I was wondering if they had names. First, I hit sailing mirage: toe> same in > op out > same in > op toe Then I hit what seems like sailing pdx. mirage, although I hear, and somewhat believe, that there can be no paradox add for a toe set move. Here's the jobs: toe> same in >op out >op in > op toe I dunno, maybe it should get an x dex or something; it's like a pixie atom smasher I guess, and I know that atom smasher gets an x dex. Adds aside, do these two moves have names? Sailing set has been around a long time I believe, and I'm pretty sure these moves have been hit, but has anyone ever bothered to name em? Or are they as named as they'll ever get: sailing mirage and sailing op. mirage (pixie atomsmasher)? Lastly, what are some other sailing moves that have ben hit? Upon comtemplation, I believe it is also possible to hit a symposium sailing set, with the symposium occurring on the atomic dex. . .look for it at a session near you (actually near me)! Santa Barbara, California's only Shredder and Intermediate net player, Senor Grommet -- Jeremy Mirken hackman@umail.ucsb.edu From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jun 3 23:49:45 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA25049 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:49:45 -0700 Received: from web10606.mail.yahoo.com (web10606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.170]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id VAA25907 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:58:25 -0700 Message-ID: <20020603045821.28198.qmail@web10606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.148.246.134] by web10606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Jun 2002 21:58:21 PDT Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:58:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Hardin Subject: [freestyle] Help, I'm stuck at flying clippers and ATW's To: "freestyle@footbag. Org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have been playing footbag for 3-4 years off and on. I hacked around yesterday and it was the first time in like a month. I am alright and hope to get better. Footbag playing is the best thing I do. GO FOOTBAG!!!!!!! My consecutive record is 426 and I can hit: right and left - toe stall, and inside stall. A right outside stall, a jester, pendulum, around the world, have hit a clipper stall once with my left foot. I need some help with moving on from this point, I have been stuck at these moves for a while; any help would be great thanks. I hack in birkenstocks, and they work great. I am gonna try a pair of Rod Lavers soon, but the birks work great for anyone trying out shoes. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jun 3 23:52:38 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA25135 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:52:38 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f220.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.220]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA00677 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:14:39 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:14:35 -0700 Received: from 202.180.83.6 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:14:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [202.180.83.6] From: "Kenny Stuart" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Got Sickness? Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:14:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2002 22:14:35.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B8F0EA0:01C20B4C] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Freestylers, Just afew questions............ * Besides Nemisis, how many other 4 dex moves are there? * Has anybody ever hit Frantic Eggbeater, Frantic Paradon? If so do these have names?. * I hit what I believe to be a Pixie Backside symposium mirage over the weekend, sort of like a terraging symposium mirage except you plant after the first dex. My notation is abit rusty but I think it's Toe>same in (Dex)>Plant, Same in (Dex)> No plant while Op in (Dex)(Bod)> Op Toe (Del) im assuming that this has been hit before but does this have a name? Any feedback would be much appreciated, thanks Shred it up large Kenny. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jun 3 23:54:43 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA25250 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:54:43 -0700 Received: from web21303.mail.yahoo.com (web21303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.192]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA07600 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:23:06 -0700 Message-ID: <20020604002305.99263.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.80.178.191] by web21303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:23:05 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:23:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Cohen Subject: [freestyle] Is this something? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi list, I was wondering if I made something up or not. It's hard to explain without an example. If I want to do a smposium pixie, I think (set> same in > op toe)I start with the bag on my right toe, and my left foot IN THE AIR. Then I jump off my right leg, to set the hack while keeping my left leg in the air. Then jump off my right leg again, still keeping my left leg in the air. Do the dex with my right leg, and stall with my left toe. So my left foot never touches the ground ever. IF that is something, would someone please tell me what and how many adds it would be? An Excited Shredder Steve Cohen From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jun 3 23:58:42 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA25361 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:58:42 -0700 Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA21212 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:46:25 -0700 From: Andrew Johnson Received: from Spyrosis1@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id z.f3.1bf584d9 (4554) for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:46:09 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Diving Spinning set? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list, I was skoolin today and started messing around with a set that I haven't seen or heard of before. It's a diving spinning set (mabye it's not a set, but I don't know what else to call it) clip>dive[bod]>(back) spin[bod]>ending trick I managed to hit diving spinning clipper and diving spinning osis on both sides. They were pretty clean as far as I could tell. Has anyone hit this kind of stuff before? How 'bout diving spinning ducking stuff? That would be pretty insane. I've also been messing around with ducking inspinning stuff and hit ducking inspinning osis and came close to ducking inspinning butterfly. Anyone else trying this? Or how 'bout inspinning ducking? Or ducking inspinning ducking? *That* would be sick. Anyway, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me if any of this stuff has been hit before and if any of the tricks/sets have been named. Thanks, Andrew Johnson Rain City Shred From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 4 00:03:14 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA25616 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:03:14 -0700 Received: from web10606.mail.yahoo.com (web10606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.170]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id VAA25907 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:58:25 -0700 Message-ID: <20020603045821.28198.qmail@web10606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.148.246.134] by web10606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Jun 2002 21:58:21 PDT Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:58:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Hardin Subject: [freestyle] Help, I'm stuck at flying clippers and ATW's To: "freestyle@footbag. Org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have been playing footbag for 3-4 years off and on. I hacked around yesterday and it was the first time in like a month. I am alright and hope to get better. Footbag playing is the best thing I do. GO FOOTBAG!!!!!!! My consecutive record is 426 and I can hit: right and left - toe stall, and inside stall. A right outside stall, a jester, pendulum, around the world, have hit a clipper stall once with my left foot. I need some help with moving on from this point. I have been stuck at these moves for a while; any help would be great thanks. I hack in birkenstocks, and they work great, I am gonna try a pair of Rod Lavers soon, but the birks work great for anyone trying out shoes. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:20:22 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA28382 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:20:22 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA17791 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:22:19 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) id <0GX606K01YX204@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GX606GRFYX2EE@clem.mscd.edu>; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:02:07 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Help, I'm stuck at flying clippers and ATW's To: "freestyle@footbag. Org" , Chris Hardin Message-id: <3CD73E51@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Chris Hardin ===== >I need some help with moving on from this point. I have been stuck >at these moves for a while; any help would be great >thanks. I would recommend establishing a rythm with toe stalls and then throwing in ATW's, mirages, illusions, legovers, and pixies. Establishing the rythm is the most important. It leads to the ability to work in so many of the tricks. You can make up drills as well. Toe stall, toe stall, mirage, toe stall, mirage, toe stall, legover, legover, REPEAT. Work BOTH sides. If your flipside feels weak then work it three times for every one on your better side. Other than that...just skool. Practice, practice, practice. >I hack in birkenstocks, and they work great, >I am gonna try a pair of Rod Lavers soon, but the >birks work great for anyone trying out shoes. NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Believe me, that is some bad advice. No offense intended, but Birkenstocks are a certain way to injury for the hard shredder. Beginners may not notice the affects, but if you plan to shred hard then you are asking for pain. Birkenstocks offer NO support for sport related activities. Lack of support can lead to serious leg and back injuries that may not happen all at once, but occur over time. Use a sneaker, that's what they are designed for. If you must, use Tevas or some other sporty sandal with more cushion that a bed of cork. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:22:25 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA28619 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:22:25 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA19864 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:00:12 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) id <0GX606G01XVIYE@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 10:59:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GX606G40XVIEE@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 10:59:42 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 10:39:34 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Got Sickness? To: freestyle Message-id: <3CD739EF@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Kenny Stuart ===== >* Besides Nemisis, how many other 4 dex moves are there? Ones that I've seen and heard are: Shooting Star (Red Husted) Shooting DLO (Daryl Genz) Furious George/Barraging PDX DLO (Sunil Jani) Clown Face/Barraging PDX Eggbeater (Sunil Jani) >* I hit what I believe to be a Pixie Backside symposium mirage >it's Toe>same in >(Dex)>Plant, Same in (Dex)> No plant while Op in (Dex)(Bod)> Op Toe (Del) im >assuming that this has been hit before but does this have a name? I started hitting this move about a year and a half ago during a 'Rick Reese' challenge. It's a pixie symposium smear. I don't know if anyone hit it previously, but I call it Maelstrom. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:25:44 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA28810 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:25:44 -0700 Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA06427 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:52:44 -0700 Received: from c1277828a ([12.230.224.87]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020604225239.VPJ29266.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@c1277828a> for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:52:39 +0000 Message-ID: <009c01c20c1b$0defe0f0$57e0e60c@c1277828a> From: "Jane Jones" To: Subject: [freestyle] Where'd the blood come from? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 15:56:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there, Since nobody else has offered this information, I thought I'd ask... Who's blood was on Steve G's floor? Why would Lon be getting staples taken out of his head? Inquiring minds want to know!! Lon? Steve? Bystanders? -Jane From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:37:05 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA29748 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:37:05 -0700 Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id CAA12676 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 02:52:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 19737 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2002 09:52:24 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (208.201.224.26) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 10 Jun 2002 09:52:24 -0000 Received: from impax (adsl-209-204-138-192.sonic.net [209.204.138.192]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id g5A9qO725063 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 02:52:24 -0700 X-envelope-info: From: "Joseph Crain" To: Subject: [freestyle] RE: Playing Hack or Playing Footbag Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 03:09:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200206042226.PAA05000@llic.net> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I know this isnt correct, but it is easy to understand and makes sense to people who don't know the sport. As an introduction I say that I 'play footbag...which is professional level hacky-sack'. They go 'ohhhhhhhh, cool' or look at me wierd or somethin. -joe From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:40:21 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA29960 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:40:21 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f33.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.33]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA29056 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:45:03 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:44:59 -0700 Received: from 24.205.247.98 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:44:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.205.247.98] From: "Jonathan Wilson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Novice / Intermediate Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 19:44:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2002 02:44:59.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[26797700:01C20D04] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It's the same way here. Right now I'm probably the best player at my school. And my best trick is a butterfly. I just got the pendulum down, and everyone is very impressed by it. In a way, it depresses me. But in another way, it makes me very happy, 'cause I've never been the best before. >From: "Tyler Linscot" >To: >Subject: [freestyle] Novice / Intermediate >Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:39:13 -0400 > > Coming from a town where a hitting a jester gets a round of applause, >I'm realy shocked about the e-mails from people who are pulling mirages and >butterflies and still considering themselfs "novice". A novice is someone >without footbag experience. I kick with novices all the time. There is >nothing wrong with being a novice , but just because you can't pull a >string >of add 3's doesn't mean you're not intermediate. To me you are DEFINITELY >NOT a novice if you can: > 1.pull 4 or more consecutive toe stalls(switching feet) > 2.pull an around the world > 3.have hit a clipper >In my opinion once you've got those down you're intermediate. Obviously >there are intermediates that pull alot sicker stuff than that, but give >yourself credit. Everyone starts somewhere and in my opinion thats where >intermediates start. > >Proud intermediate, >Tyler From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:41:30 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA30036 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:41:30 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f204.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.204]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA29319 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:49:31 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:49:31 -0700 Received: from 24.205.247.98 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:49:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.205.247.98] From: "Jonathan Wilson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Help, I'm stuck at flying clippers and ATW's Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 19:49:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2002 02:49:31.0058 (UTC) FILETIME=[C841C920:01C20D04] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I would personally suggest going for one of two things. I know I'm not that good, but I was in your position a long time too. I would either go for a butterfly (or flying butterfly, can't quite remember) but it's just like a flying clipper except that you throw your non-kicking leg over the bag from out to in while in a jump. Then kick it just like jester. The other would be a dragonfly kick I think it's called and instead of out to in, you go in to out then kick. Hope this helps. >From: Chris Hardin >To: "freestyle@footbag. Org" >Subject: [freestyle] Help, I'm stuck at flying clippers and ATW's >Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:58:21 -0700 (PDT) > >I have been playing footbag for 3-4 years off and on. >I hacked around yesterday and it was the first time in >like a month. I am alright and hope to get better. >Footbag playing is the best thing I do. GO FOOTBAG!!!!!!! >My consecutive record is 426 and I can hit: right and >left - toe stall, and inside stall. A right outside >stall, a jester, pendulum, around the world, have hit >a clipper stall once with my left foot. I need some >help with moving on from this point. I have been stuck >at these moves for a while; any help would be great >thanks. I hack in birkenstocks, and they work great, >I am gonna try a pair of Rod Lavers soon, but the >birks work great for anyone trying out shoes. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:42:32 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA30106 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:42:32 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f106.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.106]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA22097 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:21:11 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:19:06 -0700 Received: from 24.29.178.34 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 02:19:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.29.178.34] From: "RoaD k1LL (Chris)" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New trick & need help with double dex's Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:19:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2002 02:19:06.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[B19A79C0:01C21280] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i need some help with circling the bag twice, my foot always feels like it wants to just circle once and drop down for the catch, but i know i need to build up more speed/start the first dex earlier, then complete the second... I know jumping around and circling without the bag with my left leg is what helped me learn to do my first dexterities on that leg, will this help teach double dex's too? Also this is my most favorite and crowd-pleasing routine ending move. I dont THINK anyone has come up with this one yet, so I thought i'd post it here before someone does... basically its a Pendulum with a single planted hand. To get used to it try doing pendulums and throwing your upper-body forward, once youv'e got that down try throwing (and planting) both arms toward the ground (like a hand-stand) right after catching the bag for the pendulum, pretty soon you can do the one-handed version easily. When i do this, I plant the same hand that's catching the bag, and use the pendulum leg (as its doing its arc) to help throw my weight forward, get used to doing this and it looks REALLY smooth. It's easy to release the bag from your foot WAY too late which either causes the bag to just drop straight down from your hand-stand or fling backwards away from you, this could be a great move in doubles or to end a routine, or in the middle of one if you got 2 bags or if you can learn to control it enough to continue shredding with the same bag........ If no one has named this yet, i'd like to call it "Tookie." The two-handed version can be "Double Tookie," or something, whatever. Thanks a lot list, keep shreddin. -Chris "Dook-A-Tookie" Harry From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:44:11 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA30211 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:44:11 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f62.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.62]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA17147 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:31:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:31:54 -0700 Received: from 66.41.29.54 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 01:31:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.41.29.54] From: "Adam Hebel" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Trickin the surface Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:31:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 01:31:54.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[43D87130:01C21343] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey whats going on all you shreders out there. Any suggestions on tricks in the novice to more intermediate tricks i should learn(2-3 ad moves) what are some fun/cool looking tricks i could learn without having the think "oh this trick is too impossibe!" Thanks A M AdaM From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jun 15 17:55:48 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA31203 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:55:48 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f62.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.62]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA17147 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:31:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:31:54 -0700 Received: from 66.41.29.54 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 01:31:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.41.29.54] From: "Adam Hebel" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Trickin the surface Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:31:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2002 01:31:54.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[43D87130:01C21343] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey whats going on all you shreders out there. Any suggestions on tricks in the novice to more intermediate tricks i should learn(2-3 ad moves) what are some fun/cool looking tricks i could learn without having the think "oh this trick is too impossibe!" Thanks A M AdaM From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jun 16 14:44:08 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA16725 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:44:08 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA07099 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:00:06 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) id <0GXS00B013O08M@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:14:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GXS006TG3O0HK@clem.mscd.edu>; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:14:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:53:44 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] New trick & need help with double dex's To: "RoaD k1LL (Chris)" , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <3D0BEDD4@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From "RoaD k1LL (Chris)" ===== >Also this is my most favorite and crowd-pleasing routine ending move. I >dont THINK anyone has come up with this one yet, so I thought i'd post it >here before someone does... basically its a Pendulum with a single planted >hand. There's a very hip kicker named Kyle Korff who lives in Wyoming, but comes down to Colorado to kick fairly often (usually with the Ft. Collins crowd). He does this move, but instead of a handstand he continues into a one handed walkover. In the second round of 35 second shred at the CSS3 he finished off with two in a row. It was insane and a huge crowd pleaser. I can't remember if there was a name for it or not, but I don't think he is the first to have hit it either. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jun 16 14:52:05 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA17355 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:52:05 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA19973 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:02:40 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) id <0GX706O010SGU1@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:02:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GX706O4U0SFOY@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:02:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:42:32 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Footbag on TV in Denver To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <3CD746BA@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This happened just over a week ago. On the Saturday Evening News. FOX aired a two minute clip of Paul Mestas and Daryl Genz. Paul did a bunch of sick freestyle juggling and Daryl showed his stuff with some footbag juggling and a bunch of moves, like butterfly, pdx mirage, stepping butterfly, pdx whirl etc... (the easy stuff for TV). The Good Points... footbag got exposure on a respected news show. Paul and Daryl are the owners and operators of Revolution Footbags and are able to make many more contacts with the community through their TV spot. The Bad Points... The Cameraman or editor or both did a terrible job. Amost every shot was upclose and personal. Half the time Daryl was doing moves you couldn't tell what he was doing because the camera was focused on his upper body and not his legs. Also, after the spot the female anchor closed the segment by looking at her co-anchor with a look that said "this has got to be a joke". Well, any press is good press. Thanks to Paul and Daryl for getting out there and getting exposed. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jun 16 15:01:13 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA17861 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:01:13 -0700 Received: from web20607.mail.yahoo.com (web20607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.165]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id OAA15362 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:20:34 -0700 Message-ID: <20020616212033.30024.qmail@web20607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.122.55.84] by web20607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:20:33 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:20:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Dat Phan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Trickin the surface To: Adam Hebel , freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org My favorite trick in that category is osis. If you don't know that's where you spin into a clipper stall. It's a little complicated at first but it feels pretty good once you hit it. Remember to watch it down till it almost hits your foot before you whip your head around to the other side. Dat From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jun 16 19:26:02 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA31020 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:26:02 -0700 Received: from foundationcomputing.net (donorport.org [207.160.174.56]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA30803 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:22:02 -0700 Received: from dfiatx96-031.dfiatx.dsl-verizon.net ([4.3.96.31] verified) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 1399062 for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:13:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:20:17 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Derrick Fogle Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Subject: Re: [freestyle] List Moderation From: Derrick Fogle Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dear list members, I'm pleased to announce that Allan Haggett , Director of Communications for the IFPA, has taken over primary responsibility for list moderation. Many thanks for everyone's patience and understanding while we've been working out the details in the background. Please welcome Allan aboard as list moderator with your best list participant behavior. It's been a pleasure to serve you all as list moderator. I'd like to extend my deepest gratitude to all of you out there who pour your time and energy into such a cool activity as footbag. Footbag Rocks! And it's just gonna keep getting better. Take care and keep kicking, -Derrick Fogle -(former) footbag.org List Moderator On Wednesday, May 29, 2002, at 10:42 AM, Derrick Fogle wrote: > Dear list members, > > I'm sorry for such a shoddy list moderation job. I try to get messages > out every day, but I fail more often than I succeed. > I'm asking you - the freestyle list specifically first - if there might > be any interest in a 'tour of duty' for list moderation. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 18 08:23:50 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA24450 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:23:50 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f290.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.165]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA03590 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:31:28 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:30:25 -0700 Received: from 66.168.167.32 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 04:30:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.168.167.32] From: "Bob Glasser" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] new moves Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:30:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2002 04:30:25.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3BC0F40:01C215B7] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list, Well I just got back from the East Coast Championships and might I say it was a great time. Lots of busting all over the place, but down to the subject. I hit a new move this weekend that i was wondering if anyone else had hit. It's a fairy reverse eggbeater. Is there a name for reverse eggbeater (or even quantum pickup?) I was also trying it into some other things like spinning paradox reverse eggbeater. anyways reply to me if anyone knows about the fairy move or if there is a name for revere eggbeater besides reverse eggbeater. Thanks! Bob Glasser From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jun 18 08:31:00 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA25517 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:31:00 -0700 Received: from priv-edtnes16-hme0.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA05057 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:00:17 -0700 Received: from rogueboner.lamenet.tmp.telus.net ([66.183.56.238]) by priv-edtnes16-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with ESMTP id <20020617050015.HPTX4439.priv-edtnes16-hme0.telusplanet.net@rogueboner.lamenet.tmp.telus.net> for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:00:15 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] List Moderation References: From: Shawn Betts Date: 16 Jun 2002 22:03:28 -0700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <87r8j65wf3.fsf@foo.foo> Lines: 37 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derrick Fogle writes: > It's been a pleasure to serve you all as list moderator. I'd like to > extend my deepest gratitude to all of you out there who pour your time > and energy into such a cool activity as footbag. Footbag Rocks! And > it's just gonna keep getting better. Hi Derrick! Thanks for your time and effort moderating the list! I'd like to mention another possibility for people who want to talk about footbag. There is a newsgroup rec.sport.footbag that basically has zero activity. While it doesn't have moderators it also...doesn't have moderators :). I think that while moderation has a purpose and the footbag mailing list has done very well, moderation also takes up a lot time (I would expect, anyway) and I think that most people are able to filter junk messages on their own pretty well. For this reason, using the newsgroup that is already in place seems like another good way to talk about footbag while placing no burden on any humans. Anyway. I'm sitting on there. I don't really have any questions but I'll answer other peoples questions... rec.sport.footbag -- Shawn Betts From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jun 20 12:51:16 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA22014 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:51:16 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f167.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.167]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA03920 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:45:59 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:44:12 -0700 Received: from 68.42.129.38 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:44:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.42.129.38] From: "Thomas Boutorwick" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: East Coast Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:44:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2002 14:44:12.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[F11EFB00:01C21868] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list! I got back from the ECFC and it was awesome. It was my fist event of that magnitude. I was really suprised at how tight everyone was. It was like one big happy family. I had the honor of meeting Kenny, and kicking with him. Peter, You seem really enlightened and very positive. I think everyone should see the way you do. To everyone that was at East Coast, Keep kickin. TJ Boutorwick From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jun 21 16:42:52 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA19436 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:42:52 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f116.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.116]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA19174 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:27:27 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:27:27 -0700 Received: from 165.247.53.169 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:27:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.53.169] Reply-To: Ceiling-Fan@footbag.org From: "Ken Somolinos" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] ECC Reflections Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:27:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2002 23:27:27.0489 (UTC) FILETIME=[34A7F710:01C2197B] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Freestylers! Yes, it's that time again. I've recovered enough from the insanity of East Coasts last weekend to share with y'all some of the highlights, all in the hopes of motivating people to go to tournaments. That said, this'll mostly be an attempt to transmit what a tournament is like, but there'll also be some combos and freestyle talk thrown in there as well. I made it down to Maryland on Friday night thanks to a ride from my net playing friend Aintno. When you want to go to a tournament, be sure to investigate who is driving there, even if you can't find freestylers/people you know. We got to the registration at the host hotel pretty late, but there were still a couple circles of freestylers already playing. Nothing really compares to the first few moments of a tournament, when you see all your friends you haven't seen in ages, and you glance around the circles and see people you've never seen before hitting Jani Walkers. It's always exciting to see what new things people are hitting since the last time you played with them, as well as meeting the people who will spank you at the next tournament. I promised myself I wouldn't play the first night, but I couldn't resist temptation and compromised by jumping into a few circles and playing in long pants, which was lots of fun in and of itself. GF was all over spinning ducking tricks, and even hit a "peeking duck" (greatest freestyle name EVER) for me on demand. Peter Irish was doing all sorts of dexing-spinning moves, but I was most impressed when later that night he started some juggling patterns with a bag on each foot and two in each hand. I personally want to see more juggling on freestyle tapes, cause people like Peter and Paul Mestas are just nutty. The shred all weekend was excellent. Nice weather, friendly atmosphere, and high level of play encouraged everybody to just go off. Kenny Shults, Kaiser, and the Philly Bobs were all on hand and playing well, even though they all left on Sunday. Kenny hit big apple sauce at least twice. I played a bit with the West Virginia kids, but I couldn't handle it for very long. Brad Nelson hit nuclear torque and the next day i saw him seal big apple midrun. Be afraid everybody, be very afraid. Greg Nelson seemed to surpass 20 tricks everytime he touched the bag, and hit Marius SEVERAL times, as well as some nice gyro blenders. Pete hit lots of crazy stuff, but my favorites were mantis, as well as tapping whirling x-body rake. Scott B was consistently strong, i saw him hit both gdlos in one run, and he hit my favorite combo of the tournament- pdx atom to atomic dog (DLO). I also met Adam Kieth this weekend. Adam hit toe ripped warrior (yes, toe) as well as toe blurrier. Another great reason to go to tournaments, is not only do you get new ideas by watching others and playing with them, but it's also a great place to learn. After talking to Adam, he gave me new ways of thinking about some sets, and I learned a new set in 3 hours after he gave me a new way of thinking about it. My favorite session all weekend was right before the award ceremony outside of the restaurant. Scott Davidson and Jeremy Benton showed their die-hard freestyle passion by playing up til the very end of the tournament, and I jumped in for a bit to get a better view. Scott hit symp blurry whirl-spinning whirl-whirlwind and some other crazy stuff, but I was most impressed just by these two guys' enthusiasm for playing throughout the entire tournament. Competition all weekend was excellent, with a very chill atmosphere (except for Brad Nelson, who we had to restrain because he was overeager to participate in everything). People played well (especially on the second day), and before and after competition, the atmosphere was perfectly relaxed. For phat trick, people had 5 tries to nail whatever they wanted, and I was impressed by what people pulled out. Bob Glasser hit Ferocious (Fairy torque!) on his second try, Scott Davidson hit a nuclear twirl, Brad Nelson nailed whirling pdx whirl, Pete hit Johnny Quest (atomic spinning mirage), and Scott Bevier hit stepping symp blur. The highlight of competition though was Scott Bevier's routine song the first day: the Zorak classic-"i'm gonna kick your ass." As good as shred and competition was all weekend, the highlight of ECC for me (as with most tournaments) was the hanging out. Vince Bradley graciously let a small army of smelly footbaggers crash at his house to play chess, watch cartoons (I'd say Scott B is totally the man for bringing a simpsons/adult swim tape with him, but he totally already knows that), and hang out all weekend, on his birthday no less. The more tournaments you go to, the more you look forward to seeing everybody at the next tournament. They also provide a chance to get to know people you might otherwise be intimidated by in circles. Speaking of which: big props to Steve Goldberg for getting 4square started both days. I think I speak for many when I say the funniest/most enjoyable/most competitive moments of the tournament occured within (and sometimes outside) the chalk lines. Long lines incentivized players to be more sneaky, and it was great to see net players and freestylers, beginners and pros alike, all battle it out for victory. Shameless plug: Yacine's freestyle tournament takes place in 3 weeks in Montreal. You want to go to Montreal. You want to go to a tournament. You may or may not want to go clubbing with me. But you DO want to go to this tourney. I personally GUARANTEE you it will be fun. So in closing, big BIG thank yous to Vince Bradley, Peter Irish, Neil Payne, and everybody else who made ECC possible this year. This was my first ECC, and it was one of the best times I've had at a tourney. If you haven't been to a tourney yet, make every damn effort you can to go to one. That, or throw your own. People will thank you for it. And if you haven't figured out the moral of this novel: GO TO TOURNAMENTS!! See you in Montreal next month, CF From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jun 22 21:58:00 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA26369 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:58:00 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f199.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.199]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA16849 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 17:46:19 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 17:46:19 -0700 Received: from 209.210.166.196 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:46:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.210.166.196] From: "Randy Magliocca" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:46:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2002 00:46:19.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[63853CD0:01C21A4F] Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list, I was just wondering who out there has hit Gyro-Flux? I just hit it the other day when I was playing with my friend Peter B. He said it looked really clean. The only person I know of that has hit it is Ryan M, that piece of s**t. But i know other people have to be hitting it. Well, later. Sorry Ryan but your just too good! Randy Magliocca From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 26 10:42:38 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA28715 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:42:38 -0700 Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id DAA18930 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 03:16:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 3662 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2002 10:16:47 -0000 Received: from tempest.sonic.net (208.201.224.25) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 24 Jun 2002 10:16:47 -0000 Received: from impax (adsl-209-204-138-192.sonic.net [209.204.138.192]) by tempest.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id g5OAGl409933 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 03:16:47 -0700 X-envelope-info: From: "Joseph Crain" To: Subject: [freestyle] 4 Square Footbag Rules Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 03:34:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200206232226.PAA27824@llic.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yeah 4 Square! I posted an updated set of the official 4-square rules. There are no changes to the rules, just clarification. The rules are somewhat lengthy so I added a compact rules summary for quick reference. There is also a goofy story by Lon Smith about how bored we were one day and hence devised this game. http://www.visionpcservices.com/4square Questions? Comments? Send me email! Enjoy! -joe From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 26 10:43:49 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA28767 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:43:49 -0700 Received: from clem.mscd.edu (clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA29547 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:03:19 -0700 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) id <0GY806X01JV4T1@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:25:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #39412) with ESMTP id <0GY806Y1XJV4CF@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:25:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:04:58 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] Holy Phat Shred Batman To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <3D1701EA@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yesterday (June 23rd) was one of the sickest days for shred in Colorado. We had about 10 or more people come out and shred large. Some were out-of-town surprises who just so happened to arrange showing up on the same days. Who were the Sickest? Kenny Shults, Rippin Rick Reese, Red Husted, Daryl Genz, Spencer Behm (pronounced Bame), and Jim Penske. I witnessed so much disgusting shred that I'm now blind. Kenny was all over double spinning moves, and scorpian tails to spinning whirl as well as hitting whirling swirls out of almost any move. The man can save the bag and keep going strong like no one else. Rippin' was insane. Tomahawk this and Maelstrom that like it was just another day at the park. Everything was a long string of sickness with Ps Whirls and Pdx Blenders and Ducking everything and Diving everything and Spinning Ducking moves to boot. I swear he knows almost every trick there is and can pull them out of his hat at will. Red was knockin' down blurriest to blurriest and scorpians tail to whatever he wanted and mobius was all over the place. I even saw the big guy nail a PS Whirl (for anyone who has ever seen Red you know it's not normally a trick for someone his size). Daryl was supposed to be the cameraman for the day because of his broken toe, but he just couldn't stay away. At first he started slow with some easy 3's, but before you could blink he was stringing together long runs of 4's and 5's. CAUTION ULTIMATE SICKNESS JUST AHEAD!!! I have NEVER seen freestyle look so easy as when I saw Jim Penske. That kid absolutely defines fluidity. Every move was so graceful and light. I saw him nailing long sick runs that included tricks like spinning whirl, Ducking Atom Smasher, Pixie Spinning Butterfly, Blurriests, Blurry Whirls, Nuclear same side Drifter, Sumo and so much more stuff that I can't even describe. He hit four 5's in a row (even though I know his record is 7), I can't remember the order, but I'm pretty sure the tricks were Pdx Legbeater, Mobius, Scorpians tail and PS Whirl. I also watched him hit Blurry Whirl, Blurry Whirl, Blurriest as easy as if they were butterflys The Trick of the Day goes to Spencer Behm. Fairy Symposium Double Over Down. Toe> same out> (no plant while) same out> (still no plant) same out> op clip. SICK!!! He even nailed it and continued into a long string. I was so stunned that I can't remember everything else that was in it, except to say that it had 3's, 4's and 5's. Spencer also mixed into his day a bunch of Ripped Warriors, Blurry Torques, blurriests, Superflies, and Fairy Ducking moves. And as for me... well my day kind of sucked, but I did manage to duck my first stepping set to a clipper and seal it. Us big guys may have big windows for everything else, but man those stepping ducks are hard. The "Most Guts" award goes to Jeremy Benton who, with a cast on one leg, hit around the world, symposium mirage, symposium flying clipper. My pick for the Best Circle to See at Worlds this year (and I'll miss it), will be Jim Penske, James Risden, Spencer Behm, Vacek, and Alesh. The Under 18 Posse??? Later all, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jun 26 10:44:57 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA28825 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:44:57 -0700 Received: from ecsmtp01.rockwellfirstpoint.com ([199.191.58.7]) by llic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA24563 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:23:48 -0700 From: daniel.klokow@rockwellfirstpoint.com Subject: [freestyle] New move..?? To: freestyle@footbag.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:23:39 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ECSMTP01/EC/Rockwell(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 06/25/2002 11:20:05 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sup, My buddy Brian Parsons, has a sick move that he thinks he might be the first to hit. Spinning Ducking Paradox Drifter - He has has hit this both sides and would like to name it Vulcan Please inform us if this move has already been hit or named. Thanks! Dan CIC