From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 1 16:41:57 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g91Nfuga028426 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:41:56 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g91NfuuB028424 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:41:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:17:32 -0700 Received: from 198.168.48.234 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:17:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.168.48.234] From: "Richard Guggenberger" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Symposium Atom Smasher? Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:17:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2002 14:17:32.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[73EC2D50:01C26567] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was wondering, if a witchdoctor is a backside symposium atom smasher TOE > OP OUT [DEX] > (no plant while) OP IN [DEX] > OP TOE is there such a thing as a frontside symposium atom smasher and if so is this the right job's notation SET > (no plant while) [BOD] OP OUT [DEX] > OP IN [DEX] > OP TOE. I hit this recently and was wondering what it is called. Also, if anyone can clearly explain the difference between frontside and backside I would greatly appreciate it. shred hard now, Richard. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 1 16:42:23 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g91NgMga028442 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:42:22 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g91NgMIO028440 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:42:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (from www@localhost) by mail18.bigmailbox.com (8.11.6/8.10.0) id g8R0gLZ14499; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:42:21 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:42:21 -0700 Message-Id: <200209270042.g8R0gLZ14499@mail18.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [24.128.13.123] From: "Neil Bornstein" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Gyro Ripwalk X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm sure someone's hit this, but it's not on the list. Does the move have a name? If not I've got an idea for it. And another thing... People come up with new moves on this list all the time, but I've only seen one ever go onto the list. Why is that? "Thwap Man" Neil Bornstein From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 1 16:43:25 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g91NhOga028571 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:43:24 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g91NhOlE028569 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:43:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:50:11 -0700 Received: from 198.81.26.231 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:50:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.81.26.231] From: "Jim Penske" To: EzShredz@aol.com, Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Eggbeater Help Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:50:11 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2002 17:50:11.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8780B90:01C267E0] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If set from a right toe, set slightly outside the left knee, make a quick plant with the right leg, and pivot to the right, like it's paradox come up quick with the left leg. If you have it set in the right position the bag should drop right through both legs and the move will be like a toe stall. WATCH SUNIL!!! Hes is definately the grandmaster when it comes to the eggbeater. peace, Slim Jim Pimpske and Booninske master flash >From: EzShredz@aol.com >To: Freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Eggbeater Help >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:01:46 -0400 > >Hey list, >I was just wondering if anyone out there could give me some help? I have >been trying to hit eggbeater for a week or two now and I just can't get the >leg all the way over at the end. Any suggestions would be greatly >appreciated. > >Easy, > Nick Miller From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 1 16:46:21 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g91NkLga028783 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:46:21 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g91NkLK8028781 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:46:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from footbagcomp (phu0D092.nextra.cz [213.210.135.92]) by mail2.pvt.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6416F1E286B for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:31:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003f01c26852$c590bfc0$5c87d2d5@footbagcomp> From: "Jan Struz" To: Subject: [freestyle] New Videos of Vasek Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:27:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi there, There are few new videos to download from f.cz semifinals EC 2002 Budapest 7.4M finals EC 2002 Budapest 21M semifinals WC 2002 San Francisco 16M finals Shred 30s WC 2002 San Francisco 13.7M Big 3 WC 2002 16.1M (including honza) so dont wait anymore and download them here http://www.footbag.cz/english/e_video.html take care, yours Dexter From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 1 16:48:00 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g91Nm0ga028886 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:48:00 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g91Nm0B8028884 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:48:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from EzShredz@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.198.e18237d (15899) for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m31.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v89.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID92-0930220513; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:05:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:05:13 -0400 From: Nick Miller To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Rewind Combos Message-ID: <563E47A0.519C1C41.00748E77@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all just wanted everyones input as to what is the biggest rewind combo ever hit. If no one has the answer, than what is the biggest rewind you ever saw? I was thinking about a combo maybe has Sunil hit like BLURRIEST>JANI WALKER, maybe he could try Clown face>Frantic DOD, or one kenny Shults is working on BARRQUE>SCORPIONS TAIL. Any thoughts would be great thanks. Easy, Nick Miller From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 1 18:25:17 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g921PHga005244 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:25:17 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g921PHQM005242 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:25:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.clem.mscd.edu by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #30560) id <0H3B08O01Y6HZO@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:15:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from webmail ([147.153.1.20]) by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #30560) with ESMTP id <0H3B08JM6Y6G1V@clem.mscd.edu>; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:15:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:52:21 -0600 From: Brad Kaplan Subject: RE: [freestyle] Gyro Ripwalk To: freestyle , Neil Bornstein Message-id: <3D99C354@webmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-WebMail-UserID: kaplanb X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002971 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >===== Original Message From Neil Bornstein ===== >I'm sure someone's hit this, but it's not on the list. Does the move have a name? If not I've got an idea for it. Yes Chad has hit it many times. The Gyro stepping set is called "Surging". Chad has also hit Surging Whirl, Surging Barfly, and Surging Paradox Mirage. I guarantee they all have names. > And another thing... People come up with new moves on this list all the time, but I've only seen one ever go onto the list. Why >is that? Because you haven't volunteered yourself to Steve to be the moves list operator. Nor has anyone else for that matter. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Oct 2 23:48:40 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g936mdga003706 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:48:39 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g936mdGv003704 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:48:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from 66-214-248-240.gln-eres.charterpipeline.net ([66.214.248.240] helo=sam) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17wzYw-0001Ft-00; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:34:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c14bd4$dd1d00e0$f0f8d642@charterpipeline.net> From: "Sam Colclough" To: "Brad Kaplan" , "freestyle" , "Neil Bornstein" References: <3D99C354@webmail> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gyro Ripwalk Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:30:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Brad Kaplan" > Yes Chad has hit it many times. The Gyro stepping set is called > "Surging". Chad has also hit Surging Whirl, Surging Barfly, and Surging > Paradox Mirage. > I guarantee they all have names. Well, orginally Chad wanted to call gyro ripwalk the Walk of Fame. I suggested bigwalk because he is big add chad and he should instill himself upon the move. He was all modest but Richie, Elli and I made him do it. ha HA! surging whirl is surreal, surging barfly is venom, and gyro blur is SUUUUUUURRRRRGEEE like that soda ... pepsi -sam From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Oct 2 23:52:36 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g936qaga003825 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:52:36 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g936qatD003823 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:52:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from 66-214-248-240.gln-eres.charterpipeline.net ([66.214.248.240] helo=sam) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17wzat-0002ez-00; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:36:19 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c14bd5$25454b20$f0f8d642@charterpipeline.net> From: "Sam Colclough" To: freestyle@footbag.org References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Eggbeater Help Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:32:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I believe Chris Pinkus to be the grandmaster of eggbeater. He has hit most of Sunils big eggbeater moves symposium save bolder beater and CLOWN FACE!.... there were such great plans for backside clown face names, until sunil hit it :( GO SUNIL! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Penske" To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [freestyle] Eggbeater Help > If set from a right toe, set slightly outside the left knee, make a quick > plant with the right leg, and pivot to the right, like it's paradox come up > quick with the left leg. If you have it set in the right position the bag > should drop right through both legs and the move will be like a toe stall. > WATCH SUNIL!!! Hes is definately the grandmaster when it comes to the > eggbeater. > peace, Slim Jim Pimpske and Booninske master flash > > > >From: EzShredz@aol.com > >To: Freestyle@footbag.org > >Subject: [freestyle] Eggbeater Help > >Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:01:46 -0400 > > > >Hey list, > >I was just wondering if anyone out there could give me some help? I have > >been trying to hit eggbeater for a week or two now and I just can't get the > >leg all the way over at the end. Any suggestions would be greatly > >appreciated. > > > >Easy, > > From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Oct 3 19:21:07 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g942L7ga031812 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:21:07 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g942L60E031810 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:21:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta02.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F2A1CA4B6 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 437D8416D; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:45:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Vadim Dukhovny To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gyro Ripwalk Reply-To: dohovenus@planet-save.com X-Originating-Ip: [130.212.200.8] Message-Id: <20021004014544.437D8416D@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org According to the notation on the move list, CLIP > (back) SPIN [BOD] > SAME IN [DEX] > OP OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL], how is Bigwalk any different than Gyro Da Da Curve? No plant on the butterfly part in Da Da? Regards, Vadim. Locrian for life. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Oct 3 19:24:05 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g942O5ga032032 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:24:05 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g942O5sn032030 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:24:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [10.20.16.28] (HELO DBJPC8200) by dantz.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 5527460 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:21:28 -0700 From: "Dennis Jones" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gyro Ripwalk Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:24:37 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c26b34$0a518020$1c10140a@DBJPC8200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000901c14bd4$dd1d00e0$f0f8d642@charterpipeline.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >and gyro blur is SUUUUUUURRRRRGEEE like that soda ... pepsi I remember when this move was first hit. Rippin Rick Reese El Cerrito Training Complex May 26th 1995 11:37pm Witnessed by Tim Kelly, Dennis Jones, Lisa McDaniel, and Sam Conlon And history will also note that barfly swirl was hit that same night at 11:53pm by Mr. Kelly. D From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Oct 3 22:41:18 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g945fIga009353 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:41:18 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g945fI7D009351 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:41:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from attbi.com ([12.239.204.202]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021004051100.LJHT27763.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@attbi.com>; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 05:11:00 +0000 Message-ID: <3D9D2536.C40E0BF5@attbi.com> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 00:20:54 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Gyro Ripwalk References: <20021004014544.437D8416D@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Vadim Dukhovny wrote: > > how is Bigwalk any different than Gyro Da Da Curve? No plant on the butterfly part in Da Da? Yep. Dada is a ripwalk where you don't plant the leg that does the miraging dex. Later. -Derric From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Oct 4 14:56:11 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g94LuBga018208 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:56:11 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g94LuBkE018206 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:56:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:32:08 -0700 Received: from 203.0.238.83 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:32:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.0.238.83] From: "Brendan Erskine" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Set name? Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:32:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2002 13:32:08.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FBF5E20:01C26BAA] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just have a query on a set name. Recently i've been attempting surging sets. While thinking I'd achieved a surging set, i've now been told by more skilled kicker that this set is more like a slurry set. Although hard to describe, this set is much like an backspinning slurry set, whereby, like a surging set you end up facing 180 degrees from your starting position. Does this set have a name? Furthermore, does this set gain: 1 - a spinning add? If hit into a mirage: 2 - a paradox add? That's all. Brendan. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Oct 4 18:31:07 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g951V7ga030563 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:31:07 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g951V7bo030561 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:31:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from rwcrwbc58 ([204.127.198.47]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021004225459.KRQQ9928.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:54:59 +0000 Received: from [198.239.63.122] by rwcrwbc58; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:54:56 +0000 From: Jane Jones To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] San Francisco Weekly Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 22:54:56 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 12 2002) Message-Id: <20021004225459.KRQQ9928.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Check out the Disco Ninja on the front page of SF Weekly! http://www.sfweekly.com/ -Jane From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Oct 5 00:24:35 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g957OZga015838 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:24:35 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g957OZGK015836 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:24:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from noah (wnpgmb01dc6-res-49-195.mts.net [142.161.49.195]) by smtp2.mts.net (8.11.4/8.11.3) with SMTP id g9572Et01761 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 02:02:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000d01c26c3d$20c54800$0300a8c0@noah> Reply-To: "Erik Chan" From: "Erik Chan" To: References: <20021004225459.KRQQ9928.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> Subject: [freestyle] Hackrifice Open 2002 Video Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 02:01:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello I have finally completed the video with footage from Hackrifice' 4th annual Hackrifice Open tournament. Thanks to everyone who made it out. The Cloud9 crew from St Paul, Minnesoda. Trent and Brett from Saskatoon (Hotsteppers?). And Rob and Russ of Shred Zero, Calgary. The Tournament took place two weekends ago. September 21-22. Rankings were as follows: Open Shred30: 1) Derek Vandall (Winnipeg, MB) 2) Rob Fuller (Calgary, AB) 3) Erik Chan (Winnipeg, MB) Intermediate Shred30: (I'm not sure if this is right..) 1) Trent (Saskatoon, SK) 2) Karl Bohn (Winnipeg, MB) 3) Taras Zaporozan (Winnipeg, MB) Sick 3: Derek Vandall -- pixie ducking butterfly > jackknife > ripped warrior Highlights from the tournament include: -nuclear torque (almost nuke symp torque) -cold fusion -goliath -leviathan -big apple -high plains drifter -pdx torque > pdx torque -and more The video is 20.9mb, 9:42min long. And will be available here for download for about a week: http://chan.pixelnation.cc/temp/hackrificeopen2002.wmv Enjoy! Thanks, Erik Chan http://www.geocities.com/hackrifice/ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Oct 5 10:53:52 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g95Hrpga006143 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:53:51 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g95HrpLa006141 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:53:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (from www@localhost) by mail4.bigmailbox.com (8.11.6/8.10.0) id g95EMtV17996; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 07:22:55 -0700 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 07:22:55 -0700 Message-Id: <200210051422.g95EMtV17996@mail4.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [24.128.13.123] From: "Neil Bornstein" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Atomic Spinning X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org List, Is there a name for atomic spinning? Such as atomic spinning dragonflyer? Thank you, Neil From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Oct 5 10:52:44 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g95Hqiga006062 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:52:44 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g95Hqio6006060 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:52:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from drweb by mx7.mail.ru with drweb-scanned (Exim MX.7) id 17xpmg-0004y1-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:19:58 +0400 Received: from f7.int ([10.0.0.104] helo=f7.mail.ru) by mx7.mail.ru with esmtp (Exim MX.7) id 17xpmg-0004xe-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:19:58 +0400 Received: from mail by f7.mail.ru with local (Exim FE.1) id 17xpmg-000KQP-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:19:58 +0400 Received: from [24.42.168.198] by win.mail.ru with HTTP; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:19:58 +0400 From: "Tony Zverev" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] The 2002 Tam-Tam Jam Video Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [24.42.168.198] Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:19:58 +0400 Reply-To: "Tony Zverev" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: freestyle@footbag.org X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Fellow Footbagers. Website www.profootbag.ru is proud to announce a great footbag video called "The Tam-Tam Jam". It was filmed during the Montreal Summer Challenge in July, 2002. It features such players as - Ellis Piltz - Yacine Merzouk - Ken Somolinos - Sebastien Dushesne Great shreds, excellent soundtrack - this video is worth downloading! http://www.profootbag.ru/Media/Video/Montreal2002/tam_tam_jam.zip We hope you enjoy this video, respect from Mother-Russia ))! From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Oct 5 18:35:39 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g961Zcga032044 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:35:38 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g961ZcqB032042 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:35:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:27:52 -0700 Received: from 68.50.174.241 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 01:27:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.50.174.241] From: "Pete Irish" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Atomic Spinning Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 21:27:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2002 01:27:52.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[97268E10:01C26CD7] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Neil, I have hit a variety of atomic spinning moves and in my own mind have been calling this set "lateral". Peter Irish >From: "Neil Bornstein" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Atomic Spinning >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 07:22:55 -0700 > >List, > >Is there a name for atomic spinning? Such as atomic spinning dragonflyer? > >Thank you, >Neil From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Oct 6 12:42:10 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g96JgAga013389 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:42:10 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g96JgAmr013387 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:42:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 08:46:13 -0700 Received: from 165.247.224.119 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 15:46:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [165.247.224.119] From: "Stephen Dowling" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Question on a set Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 15:46:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2002 15:46:13.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FD7D390:01C26D4F] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org List, I know what symposium atomic is... but what is symposium quantum?... and also once I hit that I realized that it wasnt too hard to get a legover in there too still in the set... right toe del>op inside out dex symp>same set outside in dex.... this set, I think, is three adds if the symposium dex gets its extra add... This leads me to believe that an 8 add trick is not too far away... just duck the set and hit a double over down or a paradon and it's 8 adds. What are these things called ... and am I right about the 8 add thing? Thank you much, Nymph W. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Oct 7 00:30:00 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g977U0ga015760 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 00:30:00 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g977U0Um015758 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 00:30:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from toppers [209.145.194.3] by safeaccess.com (SMTPD32-7.12) id A3F91A4001B2; Mon, 07 Oct 2002 00:12:57 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c26dd0$ab6a70e0$0200a8c0@toppers> From: "Kit Topper" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Question on a set Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 00:10:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Stephen Dowling inquired: >List, I know what symposium atomic is... but what is symposium >quantum?... and also once I hit that I realized that it wasnt too >hard to get a legover in there too still in the set... right toe >del>op inside out dex symp>same set outside in dex.... this set, >I think, is three adds if the symposium dex gets its extra add... Symposium Quantum is "Wonton" like the yummy japanese dish. It is actually only 2 adds. toe > (no plant while) op in [DEX][BOD] >... >This leads me to believe that an 8 add trick is not too far >away... just duck the set and hit a double over down or a >paradon and it's 8 adds. Ducking the Wonton set is extremely difficult, and to my knowledge has not been done yet. Quantum Ducking is hard enough, though that has been hit many times. (see Erik Chan's website for videos of quantum ducking stuffs: http://www.geocities.com/hackrifice/ ) >What are these things called ... and am I right about the 8 add >thing? The theoretical Wonton Ducking Paradon, to take your example, would actually only be 7 adds. [DEX][BOD][BOD][DEX][DEX][XBOD][DEL] But if you hit an incredible move like that, it doesn't really matter what the add-count is. You would be a superstar either way. Remember, the add count is not intended to define the noteworthiness of any move. It is merely a scoring system to make the sport a little more quantifiable in competitions and conversations. Until you get to the level where somebody is actually needing to count your adds, don't worry about it. Just bust phat and have a great time. And brag your butt off when you bust big, whether or not the add-count dignifies it. Keep it REAL!! -Kit From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 8 14:06:43 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g98L6hga026573 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:06:43 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g98L6hLL026571 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:06:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:43:15 -0700 Received: from 63.60.196.113 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 05:43:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.60.196.113] From: "Jeremy O'Wheel" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Eyes Closed? Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 05:43:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2002 05:43:15.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[99349780:01C26E8D] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everybody, Someone mentioned an 8 add being possible and I was thinking, what about a 7 add with your eyes shut. Would that get an add for being *blind*? You should get a bonus add for being able to hit anything with your eyes shut anyway! Just a thought. Jeremy From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 8 14:04:41 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g98L4fga026469 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:04:41 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g98L4fMp026467 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:04:41 -0700 Message-Id: <200210082104.g98L4fMp026467@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [65.92.249.97] by web20706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:46:43 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellis Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Who's the Best Japanese player? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If you know who the best Japanese player (who lives in Japan) is, please let me know. An email address would be helpful. If you are Japanese and you think you are or might be the best in Japan, don't be shy; drop me an email. Just reply to me, please. Thanks, Ellis Piltz From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 8 14:12:07 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g98LC5ga026877 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:12:05 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g98LC5CE026875 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:12:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pd6mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd6mr4so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.219]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H3O0078WL3F4G@l-daemon> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 15:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml6so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.150]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H3O0081LL3FK0@l-daemon> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 15:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from a1.footbag.org (h24-79-114-42.vc.shawcable.net [24.79.114.42]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H3O00KNXL3DTY@l-daemon> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 15:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:01:40 -0700 From: Kenny Shults Subject: [freestyle] Tricks of the Trade 2 X-Sender: allan@llic.net To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021008140120.00b7a828@llic.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A little over 2 years ago I got a call from my good friend Bruce Guettich at the World Footbag Association. "What do you think about making a sequel to the Tricks of the Trade video?" he asked. At the time, I had just moved out to the East Coast and was getting back into freestyling seriously after taking some time off due to tendonitis and shin splints. I thought, "well if I'm going to make another video, I'd better get my game back in shape so I won't be an embarrassment." Even in peak condition I knew that I was going to need some help this time. The game has gone too far for one player to represent all the tricks now. So I called my friends and we arranged for a studio shoot on the Friday before the CSS2 event in Boulder Colorado in February of 2001 with 14 of the best players in the world ('Rippin' Rick Reese, Peter Irish, Eric Wulff, Carol Wedemeyer, Scott Davidson, Greg Nelson, Tuan Vu, Daryl Genz, Ahren Gehrman, Sunil Jani, Lon Smith, Jonathan Schneider, Chad Devlahovich, and Brian McKenzie). Everything was looking good until about 6 p.m. the night before the shoot. A pretty serious snow storm was hitting Philadelphia. I actually got to the airport a little early and they booked me on a flight leaving an hour before my scheduled flight. I thought "Great. What luck." I boarded the flight and the captain said there was going to be a little delay while we waited in line for de-icing. About an hour later we started the de-icing process. About three quarters of the way through the de-icing process the captain announces that we ran out of de-icing fluid and would have to wait a while for another de-icing truck. 45 minutes later we began the de-icing again. After de-icing successfully, we taxied over to wait in line at the runway for take off. The line was pretty backed up since they had to plow the runway regularly between takeoffs since the snow was falling heavily. It was about another hour or so until it was our turn to go. We began our acceleration down the runway for take off. We got up pretty close to full speed when the captain shut it down, put on the brakes, and said "We have accumulated too much ice on the wings. We are going to have to go back in for de-icing again." At this point, the guy in the seat in front of me had had enough and demanded to be let off the plane. There is apparently a federal law that requires that anyone demanding to be let off a plane has to be let off, so we waited about 45 minutes to be assigned a gate and then let the guy off. Then of course, they had to take his luggage off. Then about 10 more people decide that they want to get off as well. So we get off and roam around the airport terminal waiting for the announcement to re-board. It's after midnight at this point and I'm beginning to get concerned. The studio is booked for 8 a.m. in the morning and I have at least an hour drive from Denver airport to the studio in Boulder after landing. I called Bruce from my cell phone to tell him my status, then I called Daryl Genz and started a backup plan for what I wanted to happen at the studio if I wasn't able to make it. Around 1 a.m. or so we got the call to re-board. We got back on the plane and then waited at least another hour in the de-icing line. We're almost through the de-icing when the captain announces with the kind of tone in his voice that indicates that all hope is lost, "I am incredibly sorry to tell you that we have run out of de-icing fluid again. We will have to try to buy some from one of the other airlines." Apparently, the market for de-icing fluid at 2 a.m. during a blizzard is pretty tight. We were not able to acquire any, so the flight was cancelled. We were then booked on the first flight out at 6 a.m., just a couple of hours later at this point. I called Daryl and Bruce with the news. It looked like I would be in Denver at about 9 a.m., which would put me in the studio by 10 or so. It was going to be a tight schedule but we felt like we would still be o.k. if there were no further problems. About 45 minutes from landing in Denver the pilot announced that visibility approaching Denver was below the limit they needed to land safely. He was hoping that it would lift in time, and for once we actually got a break and we landed safely. I called Daryl and he said to run out to the curb, where his wife Sunny was waiting to race me off to the studio. The team did an extraordinary job in the studio that day. The finished video includes more than 125 different tricks all filmed from three different camera angles. There is no overlap with the first Tricks video. Most of the tricks on Tricks 2 are bigger and harder, with about half of the tricks being 5 or more adds. In addition to this huge trick catalog, I wanted to share as much of the history of freestyle as I could. Since we don't get a lot of TV coverage for this sport, there's really no way for younger players to find about the legends of the game other than chancing upon the occasional fireside chat by old-timers like me. Bruce and I saw Tricks 2 as a way to help preserve and recognize the great players and accomplishments from the history of our sport. Tricks 2 is not a shred tape. I figured that there were a lot of great freestyle movies out now that showcase shred sessions, especially from Flipsider, so I didn't think Tricks 2 needed to be that kind of video. This is a really, really long way of saying - Tricks of the Trade 2 is released. Thanks for your patience. I hope you enjoy it. The WFA has the tapes in inventory now. A complete index of the contents of the tape will be posted shortly at the WFA's web site. If you would like a copy of this contents list now, just reply to me personally and I'll email it over to you. Kenny Shults P.S. $5 from every video sold by the World Footbag Association goes to the IFPA to help support footbag events like the World Championships as well as the Footbag Hall of Fame. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Oct 9 09:35:52 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g99GZqga020695 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:35:52 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g99GZqXW020693 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:35:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 03:16:41 -0700 Received: from 202.180.83.6 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:16:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [202.180.83.6] From: "Kenny Stuart" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Atomic Quantum Set Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:16:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2002 10:16:41.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5D48A50:01C26F7C] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shredders world wide, i was just wondering if any body had thought or tryed an Atomic Quantum set? is this even possible?. I thought about this recently because i have been playin around with the frantic set. Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated. Shred it up large. Kenny (Shape Shifter) From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Oct 9 18:15:56 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9A1Fuga021166 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:15:56 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9A1FurI021164 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:15:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:06:33 -0700 Received: from 210.55.98.153 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:06:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.55.98.153] From: "Simon Hughes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Pixie Set Problems Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:06:33 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2002 01:06:33.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[466550E0:01C26FF9] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Freestylers I've been having troubles with my pixie set lately, my foot that I set with hits my other leg(by the thigh/knee) which is really annoying, I need to re-train my pixie set and school it the right way so if you can pixie set with ease again :-( I'm hoping others have had this problem so its not just me and theres some easy solutions?.. Thanks Simon "Tornado" Hughes PS - Just an idea, I think it would be good if people could put Tips under Sets on footbag.org like there are on moves. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Oct 12 23:04:08 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9D647ga018637 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:04:07 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9D64764018635 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:04:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:18:06 -0700 Received: from 210.49.190.48 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 05:18:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.49.190.48] From: "Dan Ednie" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Grab moves Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:18:06 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2002 05:18:06.0355 (UTC) FILETIME=[E979E630:01C27277] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freestylers, Being one of the many inspired by Cameron Kennedy's new grab moves I've been playing around with a few myself. Instead of writing down every move variation with twenty or so possible grabs on virtually every move, we should really have some kind of explanation of grab moves on footbag.org as well as a few videos just so people know what they look like. I'm sure most people would agree with me when i say that a move with a grab in it is at least one add harder than without, so we should have a grab add ( [grb] ). But if we are going to recognize this new innovation properly, then we have to have parameters. For example we shouldn't give people an add for holding their arm during a toe delay. I think grabbing the shin and the foot really make it hard, but the knee doesn't really count. And should it matter whether there is a double grab or a single grab? I've hit moves with one handed shin grab (wesson?) two handed foot grab (in toe delay position) one handed foot grab (in toe delay position) one handed foot grab (in clipper position) two handed foot grab (in flapper delay position) I'm sure there are many more out there, anyone else out there trying them should reply to me or the list with name suggestions or existing names and then hopefully we can document this new set of move variations. dan ednie From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Oct 13 11:35:54 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9DIZsga013220 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:35:54 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9DIZsrg013218 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:35:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:24:50 -0700 Received: from 24.69.43.55 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:24:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.69.43.55] From: "Matt Emmings" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle Magazine Anyone? Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:24:49 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2002 15:24:50.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABD9D5B0:01C272CC] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org List, I grew up as a skater, living off of mags like Thrasher and Transworld. They gave me a glimpse into the larger world of Skate culture. Well, I've grown up a bit and now my passion is for freestyle footbag. I think we freestylers desperately need a mag, and I'm willing to put one together. My names Matt and I've given most of my last four years to the sport, touring schools in the Czech Republic, making bags and kicking just about every day. My plan is to collaborate with anyone who's interested out there to create this sucker. Anyone who wants to contribute with an article, or pictures please e-mail me personally. I was thinking that if these articles/photos made it to print the contributors could get a free issue. I have all the equipment and know-how to get this going I just need support from the freestyle community, so if you have any ideas or advice, please e-mail me and let me know. Allan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 15 12:18:16 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9FJIGga015953 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:18:16 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9FJIGUA015951 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:18:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [198.202.67.129] (198.202.67.129) by ems.salk.edu (Worldmail 1.3.167) for freestyle@footbag.org; 14 Oct 2002 11:38:02 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:37:58 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Cameron Kennedy Subject: Re: [freestyle] Grab moves X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org OMG, I can't believe anyone tried some of these tricks. I don't want to turn you off to the grab concept, but it is basically something you do for yourself, for fun. You won't get props for hitting them, nor will there be an extra add. Some events will count them as unique tricks though, so that's cool. >I'm sure most people would agree with me when i say that a move with a grab >in it is at least one add harder than without I prefer to think of them as Zero Add Embellishments. Actually I tend to agree with you, they make the trick a lot harder, and deserve some respect. Unfortunately you aren't going to be getting any. Many of the top players have zero respect for grabs, so i don't think it will ever be given credit as anything other than a stylistic variation. I have adapted to them being part of my Zero Add Embellishments to go with my other zero add trick modifiers (bent knees, shifties, fakie, over the shoulder). >so we should have a grab add ( >[grb] ). Will never happen. Surprisingly most people [many of whom never tried a grab] think the grabs are crap. I don't think you will find many people who agree that there is an additional add to be had on any of the grab tricks because of the grab. There are tricks where the grab serves to solidify an otherwise non-existent add, for example driftering whirl. In this trick the grab shows that a full drifter motion was completed, and makes the ending whirl paradox in my opinion. clip>op in[dex]>same smith [grab]>same in [dex] [pdx]>op clip[xbdy][del] I would suspect that most top players would not give this trick 5 adds, but I would score it as a five. I think with some persuasive discussion you could get 5 adds from the judges in a trick contest for this trick . . . but only if you explain it to them before hand, and show it to them before hand, and hit it really, really, really clean. > >I think grabbing the shin and the foot really make it hard, but the knee >doesn't really count. Agreed, the knee thing doesn't count. And should it matter whether there is a double grab or >a single grab? I think this has a fairly large difference depending on the trick, as you already know there are many, many, many variations of grabs per trick some harder than others. Using the Zero Add Embellishment system , this is easy to figure out. One grab tricks are equal to the add value of the base trick Two grab tricks are equal to the add value of the base trick three grab tricks are really hard, but also the same value as the base trick. I had a hard time with this at first because sometricks were harder than others, but I derived this formula to calculate the total add for a grabbing move TotalAdds = TrickAddValue + (numberOfGrabs* 0 ) > >I'm sure there are many more out there, anyone else out there trying them >should reply to me or the list with name suggestions or existing names and >then hopefully we can document this new set of move variations. I have already named quite a few of the grab concepts and some of my larger tricks. But it seems rather pointless to develop a whole nomenclature to talk about tricks most people wouldn't even recognize as existing. Under my Zero Add Embellishment system they are all reduced down to grabbing trickName regardless of what type or how many grabs. If you have to get technical try things like double grabbing trickName and grabbing spinning trickName. There just aren't enough people hitting these to bother publicizing the names. Cameron Kennedy -- From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 15 12:17:16 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9FJHGga015889 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:17:16 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9FJHG6n015887 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:17:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from EzShredz@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.12c.19110c81 (16097) for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m19.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.135]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v89.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-1014143223; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:32:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:31:07 -0400 From: Nick Miller To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Eggbeating set MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <22211DB5.7EE42132.00748E77@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list I was thinking about some new moves, tell me what you think. Eggbeating set everyone I see doing eggbeaters is on the way down, why not on the way up? Eggbeating x-body rake {eggsalad} toe>op out>op out>same xbod rake Quantum Atomic Set {basicly a crispy dlo set} I will be working on this stuff, hope to se some others hitting these moves. Easy, Nick Miller EzShredz@aol.com Thrillainmanila@Footbag.org P.S. does anyone like the name eggsalad??? From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 15 12:16:19 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9FJGIga015852 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:16:18 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9FJGIDn015850 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:16:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C79AF7398 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id BB2194365; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:20:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Vadim Dukhovny To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] PS Whirl vs. Paradox Whirl Reply-To: dohovenus@planet-save.com X-Originating-Ip: [130.212.200.63] Message-Id: <20021014022057.BB2194365@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Has anyone ever felt that it is easier to hit PS Whirl than just Paradox Whirl? I can hit the former, but not the latter. There's something about setting the foot and getting ready to leap that develops a great momentum which I lack in trying to do just Paradox, and the same goes for Symposium. Any insights on why this might be so or tips on Paradox/Symposium Whirl? Is it kind of like Paradox Da Da Curve, which is easier than Paradox Drifter because there's no hip restraint? Regards, Vadim. Locrian for life. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 15 12:39:48 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9FJdmga017545 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:39:48 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9FJdm3P017543 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:39:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:57:52 -0700 Received: from 207.132.26.125 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:57:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.132.26.125] From: "Brett Penske" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Magazine Anyone? Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:57:52 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2002 23:57:52.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[57A1D900:01C27314] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I think freestyle magazine is a great Idea, How do you intend to distribute it? I'm sure most of the freestylers I know would enjoy the magazine if it was put together well. I would definitely contribute some cash or some pictures of Jim. I would like to see a little more progress on the idea and some interest on the list before i do though. I will mail you personally when I see that. Later Boone Penske >From: "Matt Emmings" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle Magazine Anyone? >Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:24:49 +0200 > >List, > >I grew up as a skater, living off of mags like Thrasher and Transworld. >They gave me a glimpse into the larger world of Skate culture. > >Well, I've grown up a bit and now my passion is for freestyle footbag. I >think we freestylers desperately need a mag, and I'm willing to put one >together. My names Matt and I've given most of my last four years to the >sport, touring schools in the Czech Republic, making bags and kicking just >about every day. > >My plan is to collaborate with anyone who's interested out there to create >this sucker. Anyone who wants to contribute with an article, or pictures >please e-mail me personally. I was thinking that if these articles/photos >made it to print the contributors could get a free issue. > >I have all the equipment and know-how to get this going I just need support >from the freestyle community, so if you have any ideas or advice, please >e-mail me and let me know. > >Matt From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 15 14:21:32 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9FLLWga023178 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:21:32 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9FLLWUA023176 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:21:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Damonmath@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.172.fec7b00 (16035) for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-d10.webmail.aol.com [205.188.138.74]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v89.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID102-1015162220; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:22:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:19:02 -0400 From: Damon Mathews To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Grab moves MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <03F98AED.6A547ED3.0229878D@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is in response to Cameron's long post. Whoa bro, Didn't you get the memo -- grabs deserve just as much respect as a Mobius down a flight of stairs. hehe (That was a joke) If you're familar with the evolution of skate boarding (a favorite comparison for lost footbaggers), the grab was at first a stylish thing to do. Then came big air with grabs. I don't think there is a skate boarder out there that will tell you a kick flip, and a kick flip indy grab are the same. EVER! I think the paradigms associated with footbag are about to be permanently re-adjusted. Just look at the add system, great for breaking a move into components, but terrible for judging difficulty. But we had to start somewhere. The toe stall use to be a trick! So was around the world. When's the last time you saw a serious shredder bust a phat 2 add for the sake of the trick(in a guiltyless shred circle). As trends emerge and paradigms are shifted, don't be surprised if footbag changes identity and becomes something else. We all started as Hacky Sackers in one form or another. Then we evolved into footbaggers. The time is approaching . . . Point being, grabs deserve just as much a place in the sport as the stall itself. And those who disagree, never hit a double grabbing fog or a Method air PS Whirl. It's just something new and fun to try, especially when your bored hitting the same stuff, but not quite flexible enough (or youthful enough) to step up. Damon Mathews From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 15 16:42:26 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9FNgPga031315 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:42:25 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9FNgPaL031313 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:42:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [195.20.224.206] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 181a8u-0005b0-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:26:24 +0200 Received: from [194.29.253.121] (helo=x) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 181a8t-0000oC-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:26:24 +0200 Message-ID: <003b01c274a2$efee21c0$79fd1dc2@x> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: References: <03F98AED.6A547ED3.0229878D@aol.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Grab moves Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:31:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I also tried some grabbing variations, like the smith & wesson barflies, and they truly deserve respect for being at least harder than the non-grabbed move. The problem I see about grabbing is the definition of what exactly makes a grab. I mean, for how long does your hand have to touch your leg? Is it enough to clap on your shin with your hands folded so it looks like a extremely quick grab? Or does one have to hold one's leg for a while (which is, considering modern footbag's dexterity speed, rather impossible)? Grabs are a fun concept, that's for sure, and they enrich footbag like all these other crazy inventions of which some gained respect and others didn't. But they are, imo, hard to define and therefore should stay what they are: Zero Add Embellishments, as Cameron called it so rightly. Matthias. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Oct 16 17:48:47 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9H0ml7O011219 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:48:47 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9H0mlSt011217 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:48:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:59:57 -0700 Received: from 64.91.19.201 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:59:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.91.19.201] From: "Randall Peterson" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Grab moves Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:59:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2002 23:59:57.0297 (UTC) FILETIME=[2129CE10:01C27570] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org List, I am definetley no where near as good as you fine people. Yet, I do know politics and ways things may, can, and do grow as well as other things. Anyways. You are going to have to wait untill grabs are simply PART of footbag. I have neither side, I would enjoy new ideas in the sport. Its just simple that people with never fully relize the level of uniqueness of it or skill it requires, you have to make it so NOBODY can ignore it anymore. I do agree that there could be some part included within the footbag.org site, it would explain alot. I have no clue what any grabs are.(so i must sound stupid now!) So, to both parties and the ones who favor either or neither party, Wait, you cannot rush nor can you deny. It has been brought up, so you must accept it in ways(not totally, but in some parts! It would take skill.) Find a way to incorporate it into runs, or make it more seen and tried, make it KNOWN! My two cents Randall Peterson From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Oct 18 16:25:21 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9INPK6F015505 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:25:20 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9INPKwr015503 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:25:20 -0700 Message-Id: <200210182325.g9INPKwr015503@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [65.92.248.106] by web20710.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:44:34 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:44:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellis Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Grab moves To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Grabs are cool. I've never heard anyone say anything negative about them after seeing how well Cameron Kennedy uses them. Randall wrote: > I have no clue what any grabs are. I'm sure there are many of you who haven't seen any/many grabs. I am completely redesigning Flipsider.com, and the new Practice Room will have many grab moves hit by the master, Cameron. > make it more seen and tried, make it KNOWN! That's excellent advice. By the way, does anyone even say weakside anymore? If you do, you suck. ;-) Thanks, Ellis Piltz From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Oct 18 16:25:09 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9INP96F015495 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:25:09 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9INP9R4015493 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:25:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:42:12 -0700 Received: from 198.26.132.101 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:42:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.26.132.101] From: "Brett Penske" To: whitetrashrebel@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Magazine Anyone? Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:42:12 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2002 21:42:12.0999 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DABC170:01C27626] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The key thing, in these colleges and promoting the sport is converting these "guys that hack" to freestylers, the more freestylers the better, Hack is something to past the time footbag is a sport and a passion. Boone Penske >From: PauLy StoJo >To: Brett Penske , freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Magazine Anyone? >Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:20:12 -0700 (PDT) > > >I attend Wayne State University a college in the heart of Detroit. In the >middle of the main campus everyday we get together and have a huge hack >circle. These kids are really into and the motto is "if you hack they will >come." This is totally true cause we have kids there left and right. This >magazine would be a great ideas especially if it could make its way around >to colleges. Believe it or not there are many kids that actually hack. I >think if somehow it could get around that would be excellent, ill ask the >guys I hack with what they think as well. >-Paul From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Oct 18 16:24:45 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9INOj6F015450 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:24:45 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9INOjcg015448 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:24:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:03:31 -0700 Received: from 216.119.6.113 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 05:03:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.119.6.113] From: "Brendan Banister" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Eyes Closed? Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:03:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2002 05:03:31.0404 (UTC) FILETIME=[899DF8C0:01C2759A] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Jeremy wrote... >add for being *blind*? Kinda a cool idea. I just tried it out for 5 mins and got blind: mirage, reversed mirage, and butterfly. Has anybody hit any cool moves blind? Also, what do ppl think about and add for blind. happy kicking, ~Brendan Banister >Hey everybody, Someone mentioned an 8 add being possible and I was >thinking, what about a 7 add with your eyes shut. Would that get an You should get a bonus add for being able to >hit anything with your eyes shut anyway! >Just a thought. > >Jeremy From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Oct 18 16:25:02 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9INP26F015480 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:25:02 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9INP2e2015478 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:25:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (cpmta 13475 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2002 22:05:47 -0700 Received: from 64.194.176.97 (HELO GHOSTPIRATE) by smtp.directvinternet.com (209.228.33.236) with SMTP; 16 Oct 2002 22:05:47 -0700 X-Sent: 17 Oct 2002 05:05:47 GMT Message-ID: <000401c27597$6afa5f60$fa2afea9@GHOSTPIRATE> From: "Chris Pinkus" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Grab moves Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:41:11 -0700 Organization: GhostPirate.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Grabs put the 'style' in freestyle. Chris Pinkus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Kennedy" To: Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [freestyle] Grab moves > OMG, > I can't believe anyone tried some of these tricks. > I don't want to turn you off to the grab concept, but it is basically > something you do for yourself, for fun. You won't get props for hitting > them, nor will there be an extra add. Some events will count them as > unique tricks though, so that's cool. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Oct 18 16:24:31 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9INOU6F015431 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:24:30 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9INOUnR015429 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:24:30 -0700 Message-Id: <200210182324.g9INOUnR015429@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [68.41.218.35] by web12306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:20:12 PDT Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Pauly Stojo Subject: Re: [freestyle] Freestyle Magazine Anyone? To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1903794664-1034796012=:73962" X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) --0-1903794664-1034796012=:73962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I attend Wayne State University a college in the heart of Detroit. In the middle of the main campus everyday we get together and have a huge hack circle. These kids are really into and the motto is "if you hack they will come." This is totally true cause we have kids there left and right. This magazine would be a great ideas especially if it could make its way around to colleges. Believe it or not there are many kids that actually hack. I think if somehow it could get around that would be excellent, ill ask the guys I hack with what they think as well. -Paul From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 22 00:58:06 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9M7w6Aj024638 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:58:06 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9M7w66n024636 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:58:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (from www@localhost) by mail10.bigmailbox.com (8.11.6/8.10.0) id g9L0XMx26090; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:33:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:33:22 -0700 Message-Id: <200210210033.g9L0XMx26090@mail10.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [24.128.13.123] From: "Neil Bornstein" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] PS Whirl vs. Paradox Whirl X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have found that the reason some higher add tricks are harder is because some aspect of the trick such as paradox or symposium forces me to change my timing of the trick, which allows me to hit it more easily. So, maybe look at your timing of the two different tricks, and try to create the timing/speed that you have with the symposium with your regular paradox. "Thwap Man" Neil Bornstein >Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 19:20:57 -0700 (PDT) > Vadim Dukhovny freestyle@footbag.org [freestyle] PS Whirl vs. Paradox WhirlReply-To: dohovenus@planet-save.com > >Has anyone ever felt that it is easier to hit PS Whirl than just Paradox Whirl? I can hit the former, but not the latter. There's something about setting the foot and getting ready to leap that develops a great momentum which I lack in trying to do just Paradox, and the same goes for Symposium. Any insights on why this might be so or tips on Paradox/Symposium Whirl? Is it kind of like Paradox Da Da Curve, which is easier than Paradox Drifter because there's no hip restraint? > >Regards, > >Vadim. > >Locrian for life. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 22 00:59:48 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9M7xmAj024688 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:59:48 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9M7xmRd024686 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:59:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from CSC.footbag.org ([66.72.102.215]) by mailhost.chi1.ameritech.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20021021154151.OMGM19775.mailhost.chi1.ameritech.net@CSC.footbag.org>; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:41:51 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021021100500.023329e0@mailhost.chi.ameritech.net> X-Sender: scott_copyset@mailhost.chi.ameritech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:11:30 -0500 To: "Brendan Banister" , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] Eyes Closed? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! At 01:03 AM 10/17/02 -0400, Brendan Banister wrote: >>add for being *blind*? > >Kinda a cool idea. I just tried it out for 5 mins and got blind: mirage, >reversed mirage, and butterfly. Has anybody hit any cool moves blind? >Also, what do ppl think about and add for blind. >happy kicking, From my understanding we have been applying an additional Body Add to Zen moves. The first blind move that was, and is still cool in my book was the Zen Probe, by Evan Bozett (sp?) probably as far back as '87. Roll it down your back and, without looking, catch it on your clipper. He did that at Worlds in his routine for a couple of years and it really wowed the crowds. Rippin' does a Zen Pincher, at least I think it is zen. Zen is a great concept, and it has been getting adds for many years, I see no reason to stop now... except that it is really hard to judge... the player needs to really make an effort to communicate to their audience that they are doing a trick without looking, that is what is hard to judge about it. Variety is the spice of freestyle. Learn every trick you can, and having a few Zen moves is a good thing in my book. Correct me if I'm wrong, please. Best regards, Scott Davidson enlightener@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 22 01:01:48 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9M81lAj024730 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 01:01:47 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9M81l6W024728 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 01:01:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [207.160.174.20] (HELO mlerf.org) by foundationcomputing.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.8) with ESMTP id 3086580 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:10:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:18:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: [freestyle] Sending plain/text with AOL From: Derrick Fogle To: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This information recently appeared on the footbag list. It is being copied to the freestyle list so those on the freestyle list only also get this info. This info was originally researched by JY Miller (not a footbag player) and posted to the MOLIONS.NET list (another text-only list which I help with). I've already gotten some thankful, text-only feedback from footbag list members using AOL, so I hope this will help out some freestyle list members as well. Enjoy! -----------Begin Forwarded Text-------------------- I found this information on a web page. Evidently, AOL is not being very cooperative with huge numbers of their subscribers that have already complained about this "feature" of their mail program. They DO promise that AOL V8.0 will have this feature built back in. I just heard a commercial for V8.0 on the TV while I was pasting this up. Not being an AOL subscriber myself (whew!), I do not have any way of testing the information printed below. 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Send the message. ============================================ How To Send Plain Text (no HTML!) with early versions of AOL V7.0 Note: this won't work with 7.0 from CDs distributed after fall 2001 * On the tool bar click on SETTINGS. * A menu pops up and you click on PREFERENCES. * Another window opens up with 3 columns on it. * Under the one headed COMMUNICATIONS click on FONT, TEXT & GRAPHICS. * This window opens and you go to the bottom of it and click on RESET then click on SAVE. * Do not change anything else in this window. * Then close your windows and you are done. From now on all mail you send will be in plain ASCII. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Oct 22 20:14:59 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9N3Ex0Z018118 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:14:59 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9N3ExGl018116 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:14:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Trancer4000@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.bc.2deeca22 (4426) for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:11:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Rana Fayez Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:11:52 EDT Subject: [freestyle] Names of Moves To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I've been reading this newsletter for quite a while, and I was thinking; everyone does realize that names for moves might differ from one place or reigon to another, since most people name these things when the invent them. For example what me and my friends call a "stall" is called a "delay" on the footbag org's website. How can this problem be solved? I think we should unite names so it would be easier for people to learn new moves Rana Fayez From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Oct 23 17:09:02 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9O091xT005753 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:09:01 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9O091Fd005751 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:09:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from attbi.com ([12.239.73.30]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021023151535.HOIB26267.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@attbi.com>; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:15:35 +0000 Message-ID: <3DB6BF52.BC4AAB18@attbi.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:25:06 -0500 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Names of Moves References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Rana Fayez wrote: > > everyone does realize that names for moves might differ from one place or > reigon to another, since most people name these things when the invent them. > How can this problem be solved? I think we should > unite names so it would be easier for people to learn new moves You answered your own question. Since most of us learned about footbag from footbag.org, why not go by the names on that list? I know that the list is *far* from complete, but it does give the names of many moves. Use it. -Derric From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Oct 26 11:23:44 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9QINhu2014263 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:23:43 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9QINh9m014261 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:23:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:35:28 -0700 Received: from 64.168.99.194 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:35:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.168.99.194] From: "Randy Magliocca" To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Eyes Closed? Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:35:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2002 16:35:28.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[874631E0:01C27C44] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey stylers, Its me, Randy Magliocca. I just thought some of you might want to know that I hit a blind Mobius the other day with Toby Robinson. I can also do all the basic moves and a couple of 3s. Later. Randy From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Oct 30 09:08:14 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id g9UH8DsF020455 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:08:13 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id g9UH8DLi020453 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:08:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from megan ([151.201.152.13]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021029194530.ZVJL2867.out002.verizon.net@megan> for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:45:30 -0600 From: "Bob riefer" To: Subject: [freestyle] Chilly Philly Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:51 -0500 Message-ID: <00b901c27f83$8265d3f0$8c00a8c0@megan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out002.verizon.net from [151.201.152.13] at Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:45:30 -0600 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Please check out the events list for specific details. Please read the entire page before emailing questions. http://www.footbag.org/events/show/1032472601 This year's Chilly Philly is set to take place January 4th and 5th in Philadelphia. I know it's a bit early to start advertising for the event, but there are a few noteworthy things I want you all to know (in particular the item noting the need to pre-register). All of this is detailed on www.footbag.org using the link above, but here are some highlights (again, please see web page for complete details): - Competition. Shred 30 will formally take place this year. - Prize money will be offered this year. - Prizes for intermediates and novices will be offered (and they're really gooooood prizes). - New competition scoring will be used. - Players' packs will be available... BUT, **you will only receive a player pack by pre-registering and pre-paying!!!** Registration due by 12/10/2002!!!! - This year's event will be longer. We have gym space for 6 hours on Saturday night, and another 2 hours the following morning! Big names are going to be in town for the event. You should be there too. Later. Bob Riefer Philly Footworks