From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Nov 1 12:19:10 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gA1KJ9UL023435 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:19:09 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gA1KJ9dZ023433 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:19:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 17289 invoked by uid 0); 31 Oct 2002 03:52:43 -0000 Received: from cs6625166-140.austin.rr.com (HELO demandred) (cr?alexander@66.25.166.140) by umbs-smtp-3 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2002 03:52:40 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c28090$e65bd860$0500000a@demandred> From: "Alexander, Curtis R." To: Subject: [freestyle] Good/Bad Habits Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 21:52:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I just started getting into footbag and I was wondering if you guys could offer some advice about preventing bad habits or practicing good habits while shredding. I would hate to develop a bad habit and have to re-correct it later on down the line. I would prefer to form good habits now - I like to do things right the first time. An example would be do everything on the flipside as well - I read that everywhere (and it is good advice). Any and all advice would be helpful. Thanks in advance. Curtis Alexander From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Nov 1 12:22:37 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gA1KMbIO023681 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:22:37 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gA1KMbJe023679 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:22:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c1277828a ([12.229.26.49]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021030231713.QBVG24986.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@c1277828a> for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:17:13 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Alex Zerbe" To: Subject: [freestyle] Footbag & Juggling Festival Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:17:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey There Freestylers, I just wanted to let all of you know about the updates to the Seattle Juggling and Footbag Festival. The info can be found here http://www.footbag.org/events/show/1030642331 Some of the more notable additions are Allan Haggett's "Obstacle Footbag" Workshop where he will be teaching people how to play up and down things, play over gaps, stairs and anything else he can find. That guy is crazy and you're not gonna want to miss his workshop. Also, Justin "I hit fog both sides in one run and have only been playing a year and a half" Dale is teaching "How to get good at footbag fast." Matt Baker is going to teach a 4 square workshop on "How to Beat Daryl Genz" and Daryl might show up for you to practice on. Also, Flying Clipper, Infinity Toys, Freedom Footbags, Creative Athletics and Neon Husky are all donating prizes for the players and the raffle. Chances are, if you compete, you will walk away with something cool. Did I mention that this is also a *prize money* event. This is going to be a huge tournament. We are expecting a large turnout of both jugglers and footbaggers. Come show off you skills, learn new tricks and have a great time. I hope to see you there Alex Zerbe From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Nov 1 12:26:26 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gA1KQQIO023889 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:26:26 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gA1KQQoq023887 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:26:26 -0800 Message-Id: <200211012026.gA1KQQoq023887@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [207.233.99.176] by web10708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 11:57:44 PST Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:57:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bryan Fournier Subject: [freestyle] Spinning Blender To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ya so anyway, Whats up? How is everyone? I've been skooling this move for awhile now, it keeps landing right behind me... I've tried spinning and blending all it one motion, and spinning - waiting a sec.- then blending... anyone have any tips on this move. Also ive been using memory as the film of Allan Haggett in skooling inspinning..(what are we calling this now "indy set"?? i dunno). Allan, I know you've gotta be eliminating/skip steps some how when spinning. do you plant your set foot right after you set the bag to inspin or just pivot on your support leg then do a little ditty and you've inspun. Also, who's hitting swirling set stuff? Using memory of John Schneider combined with recent memory of Jim Penske, I've been skooling. basically its doing a pixie set with x-body. when u set it, to get over the bag you must pivot your foot, pointing your toe toward the ground to get your foot out of the way as the bags going up.. I hit: swirling pdx mirage, swirling same swirl and swir ling pdx whirl (that was a bitch!) later ~Bryan Fournier "Hibernatin' sound, now we out like beers! --Cappadona, Winter Wars From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Nov 1 12:27:47 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gA1KRlIO023959 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:27:47 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gA1KRl0j023957 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:27:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:27:42 -0800 Received: from 68.102.109.108 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:27:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.102.109.108] From: "Chris Harry" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Need help with teaching a freestyle class Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:27:42 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2002 20:27:42.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[A20419A0:01C27F89] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone here has ever done any programs where they taught a group to do some basic freestyle and how did you go about doing it? I plan on being a program instructor at a YMCA soon enough. So basically I'm going to try to see if I can volunteer, but I wouldn't mind if I could get paid to do something I love, freestyle. I went to one of the YMCAs here in Wichita, Kansas (US) and they said that soon there is going to be a new YMCA open sometime in December and there is going to be an extreme sports program including a skate park or something like that, I told them about freestyle footbag and they said that it could fit right in there. Of course i was ecstatic, but now I need to contact someone who's overseeing the new programs at the YMCA that hasn't even been built yet... Anyway, I would LOVE if any of you can share personal experiences with me about how I can make this a fun experience for everyone who attends my class, specific answers are very welcome. Also anyone know about bulk discounts I could receive for some Sand Masters or other stuff for my class? Thanks -Chris Harry From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Nov 2 16:56:47 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gA30ul3v016098 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:56:47 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gA30ulXd016096 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:56:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from CSC.footbag.org ([68.22.202.181]) by mailhost.chi1.ameritech.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20021101211328.BUSZ24670.mailhost.chi1.ameritech.net@CSC.footbag.org>; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:13:28 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021101152310.02337380@mailhost.chi.ameritech.net> X-Sender: scott_copyset@mailhost.chi.ameritech.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 15:28:59 -0600 To: "Chris Harry" , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] Need help with teaching a freestyle class In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Chris! We are putting together some curriculum for just that type of thing. As the Education Director of the IFPA, I have many resources for all who want to educate people in all aspects of the sport of footbag. For now, please contact me on the side if you need info or if you want to help develop it... soon, we will have official programs through the IFPA that will offer our Certified Instructors special assistance, on-line and one-on-one, to help in our mission to spread the word about this sport. Do what you can to spread the word, I will provide info that will assist you in the cause. Remember, contact me directly at the email listed below. Best regards, Scott Davidson IFPA Education Director enlightener@footbag.org At 02:27 PM 10/29/02 -0600, Chris Harry wrote: >Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone here has ever done any programs where >they taught a group to do some basic freestyle and how did you go about >doing it? I plan on being a program instructor at a YMCA soon enough. So >basically I'm going to try to see if I can volunteer, but I wouldn't mind >if I could get paid to do something I love, freestyle. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Nov 2 21:28:13 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gA35S9BZ026831 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:28:09 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gA35S90P026829 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:28:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c4720a ([12.252.38.10]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021103051825.CZPS16414.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@c4720a> for ; Sun, 3 Nov 2002 05:18:25 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c282f9$c1fc4c00$0a26fc0c@attbi.com> From: "Richard Reese" To: Subject: [freestyle] Colorado Shred Symposium 4 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:27:51 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The event you have all been waiting for is less than 4 months away!!! Book your plane tickets now, because Colorado Shred Symposium 4 (CSS4) will take place March 1st and 2nd, 2003. This year, CSS has been moved to Fort Collins, CO for an event of mass proportions! Fort Collins is located comfortably along the Rocky Mountain Foothills, approximately one hour North of Denver International Airport (DIA). Lodging is extremely affordable in Fort Collins and for more information about Fort Collins, go to: http://www.ci.fort-collins.co.us/visitor/ The events for CSS4 include Open Shred, Women's Shred, Intermediate Shred, Sick 3, Sick Trick, and Most Rippin' Run. Not to mention, there will be non-stop circle shredding and 4-square action (come and challenge BAP Superstar and 4-square legend, Daryl 'Genzu' Genz) all weekend long. With World's 2003 taking place in Prague, CZ; CSS4 promises to be the largest freestyle event in North America for 2003! More about the Schedule, Hotel Information, and Venue Details to come. ATTENTION OVERSEAS COMPETITORS!! You should strongly consider attending this event, as it will be the biggest freestyle footbag event EVER!!! Not only will the shred be ridiculous, but the prize money insane!!! Don't miss this event, there will be more information coming soon... See you in March. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Nov 5 18:18:50 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gA62InTi014822 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:18:49 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gA62Inh3014820 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:18:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from KenShults@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id r.186.10a52016 (4238); Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:07:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Kenny Shults" Message-ID: <186.10a52016.2af9d367@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:07:35 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Spinning Blender To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10626 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >>I've been skooling this move for awhile now, it keeps landing right behind >>me... I've tried spinning and blending all it one motion, and spinning - >>waiting a sec.- then blending... anyone have any tips on this move. Hey Bryan, here's some tips for Spinning Blender that have helped me - 1. Wait on the release of the set so that you start the spin with the footbag still on your foot. 2. Spin fast. Keep steps to a minimum. 3. Set about chest high but not too high or the bag falls too fast and makes it harder to get back under it. 4. Use a little hop into the whirl to help with the timing. 5. Watch Chad Devlahovich's textbook Spinning Paradox Blender on Tricks of the Trade 2 about a hundred times. Kenny Shults From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Nov 5 18:24:35 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gA62OZ0E015166 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:24:35 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gA62OZhn015164 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:24:35 -0800 Message-Id: <200211060224.gA62OZhn015164@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [12.229.26.49] by web12804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 12:19:27 PST Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:19:27 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Baker Subject: Re: [freestyle] Footbag & Juggling Festival To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo my fellow footbag brethren, Things are moving forward with the preparation of the Seattle Juggling and Footbag Festival. If you can't come here is how you can help. 1. We have tons of flyers that need passing out. If you want to help spread the word e-mail me and I will send you some flyers to hand out. 2. Sponsors! We have some great sponsors and we would love YOUR support. Anything you can donate such as t-shirts, videos, old footbags, cookies, $$, shoes, stickers, art, anything literally anything will help. Get Baking!!! We have Daryl Genz coming now, along with the legendary street performer the Checkerboard guy. It is going to be a sweet first year. The highlight of the weekend will be a HUGE public show highlighting the skills of the attendees. Hope you all come. If not please show support in some way. Take it easy. Matt Baker Brothers From Different Mothers Performers Posse P.S. I hit PS whirl on my "WEAKSIDE" yesterday! I like that word WEAKSIDE. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Nov 7 20:13:38 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gA84DcSG011418 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:13:38 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gA84DcDp011416 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:13:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 20:05:04 -0800 Received: from 203.96.130.178 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 04:05:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.96.130.178] From: "Andrew Newport" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Buying Lance Mountain shoes online Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:05:04 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2002 04:05:04.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[04899DD0:01C286DC] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Are there any online retailers for these shoes? I'm asking cause here in New Zealand our shoe and sports stores don't stock anything that would be even mildly useful for footbag. Andy Newport From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Nov 9 16:04:21 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAA04LpT000671 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:04:21 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAA04Lgf000669 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:04:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Subject: [freestyle] Ducking? Diving? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:46:01 -0500 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <25892FED0DCC324B92D90F4C613A2BFE020CE2@swww.dmz.intellectualsolutions.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ducking? Diving? Thread-Index: AcKILnvl4WISUvQLEdaqJQBQiwrP6A== From: "James Hermey" To: X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by llic.net id gA9KUQxF024002 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello List, Can some one out there clear something up for me? Is it ducking? or Diving? Left foot clipper> bag goes up on left side of the head, goes down on right > left foot clipper delay. Left foot clipper> bag goes up on right side of the head, Down on left > Left foot clipper Left foot clipper > bag goes up on left side, down on right> right foot clipper Left foot clipper > bag goes up on right, down on left> right foot clipper - Ducking The point that I am trying to make, is that, it could be said that there are other variation other than just ducking and diving. My thought is that it would be beneficial to separate the four into four different add groups instead of two, for clarity. Names that I've thought of have been Weaving, or rocking, or bobbing, or swaying. Well what does everyone think? James Hermey From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Nov 9 16:08:28 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAA08SpT000802 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:08:28 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAA08SBr000800 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:08:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:28:46 -0800 Received: from 129.37.159.128 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 22:28:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.37.159.128] From: "Andrew Weglarz" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Big moves Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:28:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2002 22:28:46.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[33B64870:01C28776] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Greetings all, I wanted to ask you two things: 1)What is the largest\most impressive trick you've ever landed? and 2)What is the largest\most impressive trick you've ever seen landed? I look forward to any response. Take it easy, Andrew From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Nov 10 16:04:41 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAB04fIS025451 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:04:41 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAB04fRj025449 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:04:41 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from attbi.com ([12.239.73.30]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021110053108.DEOI20487.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@attbi.com>; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:31:08 +0000 Message-ID: <3DCDF1B9.ECEFDEF1@attbi.com> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 23:42:17 -0600 From: Derric Scalf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Hermey CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ducking? Diving? References: <25892FED0DCC324B92D90F4C613A2BFE020CE2@swww.dmz.intellectualsolutions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org James Hermey wrote: > > Hello List, Can some one out there clear something up for me? > Is it ducking? or Diving? Courtesy of Michigan freestyle (from the archives): Ducking: Opposite side duck. (e.g. right side of the body > duck from right to left > left side of the body). Over the neck only. Dodging: Same side duck. (e.g. right side of the body > duck from left to right > right side of the body). Under the head then back over the neck. Diving: Same side dive. (e.g. right side of the body > duck from right to left > right side of the body). Over the neck then back under the head. Darting: Opposite side dive. (e.g. right side of the body > duck from left to right > left side of the body). Under the head, back over the neck, the back under the head. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Nov 10 21:33:49 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAB5XnBF006768 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:33:49 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAB5XnT6006766 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:33:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from FuegoShredder@cs.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.9f.302f615f (4206) for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:59:28 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coleman Message-ID: <9f.302f615f.2b0014a0@cs.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:59:28 EST Subject: [freestyle] Zulu Moves? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 122 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What crazy Zulu tricks have been hit? Does anyone do stepping Zulu? That would be cool. -Andrew Coleman From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Nov 10 21:33:42 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAB5XgBF006757 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:33:42 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAB5XgMw006755 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:33:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from EzShredz@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.15b.174946e0 (4222) for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:42:47 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Miller Message-ID: <15b.174946e0.2b006517@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:42:47 EST Subject: [freestyle] Freestyle Move List To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list I was looking on the move list on footbag.org to get help with my blur and legbeater when I realized that there are still a lot of tricks that need tips to help people learn. I think it would be great if anyone has a trick that is dialed and thinks that they can explain it to post a tip. Thanks to Yacine and Mr. Wulff for already posting great tips. Easy, Nick "Tha Thrilla In Manila," Miller PS I would post but I can't do a lot of things and definitely don't have a lot dialed. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Nov 10 22:58:38 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAB6wcBF010566 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:58:38 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAB6wcYm010564 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:58:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBE23D60 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id EAEE211E2F; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:52:30 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:52:30 -0800 (PST) From: Vadim Dukhovny To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Nuclear Infinity vs. Barfly Reply-To: dohovenus@planet-save.com X-Originating-Ip: [64.175.248.144] Message-Id: <20021111065230.EAEE211E2F@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does Nuclear Infinity get five adds as opposed to Barfly's four? The difference is the plant, which makes Nuclear Infinity look like this: CLIP > SAME OUT (plant) [PDX][DEX] > SAME OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] Barfly is that exactly, sans (plant) and [PDX]. If this is true, my head will most certainly combust. It does that sometimes. Do plants make things Paradox? Is there an additional hip constraint in the plant? Does the difference stem from doing the first dex like a set, therefore making it Paradox? Regards, Vadim. Locrian for life. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Nov 11 21:38:03 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAC5c3d2000352 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:38:03 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAC5c3uC000350 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:38:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [192.168.2.32] ([12.250.228.110]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021111134238.YXFI11316.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@[192.168.2.32]> for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:42:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: scott.davidson1@mail.attbi.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:42:37 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: [freestyle] Flow Freestyle - A Presentation oriented event at US Open Freestyle Championships Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! At the U.S. Open Freestyle Championships next month in Chicago, we will be running a new event called Flow Freestyle. It is designed to be focused on the presentation of the content and execution, and not so much emphasis on the technicalities of composition. This event will result in more players being able to go the full two minutes without dropping, and from that, we will have an event that is more appealing to watch for spectators. An event that has all the top players going dropless, as opposed to having the average finals competitor having 3 or 4 drops. FLOW FREESTYLE (New Event) Official Rules Players supply their own music up to 2 minutes. 40 Points Possible. Broken down, there are 20 Points for Presentation, 10 Points for Execution and 10 Points for Composition. Two Presentation Judges will give a point for each element of presentation they see in a routine, up to 200 and divide by 10 for a final score. The two judges scores will be averaged for a total presentation score not to exceed 20 points. See Example A below. One Execution Judge will deduct from the possible 10 points in this category, 2 points per Drop and 1 point per Slop. A dropless and slopless routine will get 10 points with no deductions. One Composition Judge will determine if the simple requirements were satisfied (the requirements are so easy to fulfill, we expect that everyone will get the full 10 points in this category) and will make deductions as appropriate. See Example B for a more detailed explanation. EXAMPLE A: (PRESENTATION JUDGING EXPLANATION) Imagine a Presentation judge sitting there about to watch a routine. They have a pen in their hand and a sheet of paper with a blank column for the player they are watching. The judge is going to make a "hash" mark each time they see an element of presentation as listed below and by using their inner sense, or "gut feeling." When done, the judge simply counts the number of hash marks for that player, and divide by 10 to get a total score with a maximum of 20. So if a player were to score 185 presentation elements in their routine, they would score 18.5. The two judges scores will be averaged for a total presentation score. In the above system, JUDGES REWARD FOR EACH INSTANCE OF: Engagement with Audience Confidence Syncronization with music Travel in available space (we should make a recommendation for size of space) For mixing up the use of low, medium and high vertical space Creativity Originality Command Gut feelings Note: Judges will be rewarding points in this category for each instance of any of the above categories. EXAMPLE B: (COMPOSITION EXPLAINED) -Composition requirements are designed to be easily satisfied, easily judged and generally is easy to max out for most players. Requirements are: 5 Required Difficulty Strings worth 2 points each - Each string is 4 contacts, each contact is minimum 3 adds - Each contact is worth .5 point, i.e. a missed contact is a .5 deduction - A deduction of .5 point is taken for bobbled execution of Difficulty Strings, in addition to Execution deductions which are separate. - A deduction of 1 point is taken for each required string that is exactly duplicated in an attempt to qualify for the minimums. This system allows for a low number of judges, no add counters (just need to verify that they hit their required difficulty strings) and fast results based primarily on Presentation issues. An example of a result would be for Player A against Player B... Player A scores 110 Presentation Points, has 1 slop and 1 drop, and hits all but one of his required difficulty strings. Player B scores 100 Presentation Points, has no drops or slops and hits all of his required difficulty strings. Player A gets (110/10=11) + (10-1-2=7) + (10-2=8) = 26 Player B gets (100/10=10) + (10-0-0=10) +(10-0=10)=30 So Composition is important, but more important is execution and presentation. We look forward to having you enjoy this new event at the US Open Freestyle Championships! I look forward to your feedback as well. See ya there! Scott Davidson enlightener@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Nov 11 21:40:56 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAC5etd2000476 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:40:55 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAC5et9Z000474 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:40:55 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ducking? Diving? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:33:09 -0500 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: <25892FED0DCC324B92D90F4C613A2BFE020CE3@swww.dmz.intellectualsolutions.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: [freestyle] Ducking? Diving? Thread-Index: AcKJpd1hH9tV8EHXRzWFnqXdSPwtoA== From: "James Hermey" To: X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by llic.net id gABHHRha030839 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey List, Thanks for all the responces, it really cleared things up on my end. But id like to con't on the subject for a little bit longer. I've come really close to hitting this and i was wondering if anyone has hit it or named it? Left foot clipper> bag goes up on left> spin to left > bag goes down on right side of head> left foot clipper. Its almost a diving spinning dive ? I've been setting the bag up hard than spinning, after the spin i spot the bag to my left about head height this is where the second dive comes in. Does the second one count? Or is it one dive with a spin mixed in? Thanks, James From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Nov 11 21:41:43 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAC5fhd2000513 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:41:43 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAC5fhrm000511 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:41:43 -0800 Message-Id: <200211120541.gAC5fhrm000511@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [12.226.142.63] by web20501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:07:18 PST Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:07:18 -0800 (PST) From: Caleb Abraham Subject: Re: [freestyle] Nuclear Infinity vs. Barfly To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <20021111065230.EAEE211E2F@sitemail.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --- Vadim Dukhovny wrote: > Does Nuclear Infinity get five adds as opposed to > Barfly's four? The answer to all your questions are all a unanimous NO! First off, there's a lesson in paradox in this question. The easiest way to teach this is just to say: Paradox = clip same in dex OR same out dex to opposite component. This is why this infamous "Nuclear Infinity" gets 4 adds. There is no opposite component after the out dex. Paradox legbeater gets that pdx add because of it's opposite component. And lastly, plants have nothing to do with paradox. (Unless you're Sunil and preach the planting pdx mirage as 3 adds) :-) but that's a new lesson in itself. Plants would just change the style of the trick depending on what you want to do. Hope that answers everything. -Caleb From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Nov 11 21:44:45 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAC5ijd2000652 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:44:45 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAC5ijHr000650 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:44:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 14:38:01 -0800 Received: from 208.141.175.149 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:38:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.141.175.149] From: "Jim Penske" To: dohovenus@planet-save.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Nuclear Infinity vs. Barfly Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:38:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2002 22:38:01.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE112870:01C289D2] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What up all you shredmasters?? I believe that nuclear infinity does NOT get paradox. Only when you do nuclear opposite does it get paradox. peace, Jim Hat >From: Vadim Dukhovny >Reply-To: dohovenus@planet-save.com >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Nuclear Infinity vs. Barfly >Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:52:30 -0800 (PST) > >Does Nuclear Infinity get five adds as opposed to Barfly's four? >The difference is the plant, which makes Nuclear Infinity look like this: >CLIP > SAME OUT (plant) [PDX][DEX] > SAME OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD][DEL] >Barfly is that exactly, sans (plant) and [PDX]. > >If this is true, my head will most certainly combust. It does that >sometimes. Do plants make things Paradox? Is there an additional hip >constraint in the plant? Does the difference stem from doing the first dex >like a set, therefore making it Paradox? > >Regards, > >Vadim. > >Locrian for life. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Nov 12 16:15:44 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAD0Fi2h010541 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:15:44 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAD0FiYt010539 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:15:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [212.227.126.222] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Bk6X-0008Jc-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:05:57 +0100 Received: from [194.29.253.204] (helo=x) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Bk6W-0004p9-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:05:57 +0100 Message-ID: <004301c28aa0$3827ad40$ccfd1dc2@x> From: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Flow Freestyle - A Presentation oriented event at US Open Freestyle Championships Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:06:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org From: "Scott Davidson" [...] > So if a player > were to score 185 presentation elements in their routine, they would > score 18.5. How shall anyone perform 185 presentation elements in 120 seconds? That would be 1.5 presentation elements per second! I don't quite get that... even 60 would be a lot, but far more realistic as a scoring basis. -Matthias... From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Nov 12 17:44:39 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAD1id2h015038 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:44:39 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAD1idDl015036 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:44:39 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [192.168.2.32] ([12.250.228.110]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021113005151.JRVK15364.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.2.32]>; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:51:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: scott.davidson1@mail.attbi.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004301c28aa0$3827ad40$ccfd1dc2@x> References: <004301c28aa0$3827ad40$ccfd1dc2@x> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:46:59 -0600 To: "Matthias Lino Schmidt" , From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] Flow Freestyle - A Presentation oriented event at US Open Freestyle Championships Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Matthias! At 12:06 AM +0100 11/13/02, Matthias Lino Schmidt wrote: > > So if a player >> were to score 185 presentation elements in their routine, they would >> score 18.5. Yes, 18.5 of 20, plus their other 20 possible points. >How shall anyone perform 185 presentation elements in 120 seconds? That >would be 1.5 presentation elements per second! I don't quite get that... >even 60 would be a lot, but far more realistic as a scoring basis. Great question. I don't know the answer, except to say that when adds were evolving, going "no the" was a big deal and no one at the time could conceive of anyone doing extended strings of fours and fives. That back in the early 90's the average worlds finals routine would have been about 150 adds and a 2.0 ratio would have been GREAT! The caps on the total number of adds you could get were lifted off of the worlds system (the system that was abandoned this past year) of years past because we were crushing them. It has caused confusion on the technical 10 points, and I have done some number crunching that shows that even the software that was calculating the points had flaws related to the distribution of points from the "adds/ratio/drops" points. So the reality is that the level of play accelerated so greatly that the system was bursting at its seams to try to correct for it, and that can happen here too. I wanted to leave enough room to expand. The 200 possible presentation points is significant for two reasons. First statistically, the possible range of points available for presentation items is double that of the total other points available, and allows for a large range of variation of accomplishment.. Second because it allows for future innovations, and for players to cram in the stuff of what audiences like to see. Also, we have yet to fully define what a Presentation Element is, and as that list expands, you will see people racking up the presentation points by combining elements much like adds, but very different at the same time. Thanks for your input! See ya! Scott Davidson enlightener@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Nov 19 23:51:00 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAK7oxfD007566 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:50:59 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAK7ox3X007564 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:50:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA88234 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:52:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:52:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Sunil S. Jani" To: freestyle list Subject: [freestyle] CSS4 International Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What up, stylers? Any international shredders planning on attending CSS4 please email me. I am considering dates for the UCSF Footbag Jam 4, and if there is interest, I can hold the event within a week of CSS4 so that you could attend both events. If there is not enough interest in this, then I will hold the event closer to its typical weekend, March 29 and 30th. Any stylers who are planning on attending either jam are also welcome to chime in with their input. UCSF JAM regulars: would you still come to the UCSF jam if it was the week after CSS4? What if there were players from all over the world attending? Thanks y'all. See you on the other side of the blades. Sunil S. Jani tsunami@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Nov 20 00:53:43 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAK8rhKl009410 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:53:43 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAK8rhMi009408 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:53:43 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:50:27 -0800 Received: from 24.201.35.50 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:50:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.201.35.50] From: "Danny Cardonne" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Nuclear Infinity vs. Barfly Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:50:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2002 16:50:27.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4D85F70:01C28B34] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Paradox = clip same in dex OR same out dex to opposite >component. but not simple like that! Paradox blender and paradox drifter don't have an opposite component after the dex... butterfly and Paradox Whirl have an in/out dex follow by an opposite component... and I'm sure there's more! -- Danny From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Nov 20 00:56:19 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAK8uJKl009454 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:56:19 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAK8uJUi009452 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:56:19 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta05.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DC214DFF9 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:53:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id AFEDE3A66; Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:53:12 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:53:12 -0800 (PST) From: Vadim Dukhovny To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Nuclear Infinity vs. Barfly Reply-To: dohovenus@planet-save.com X-Originating-Ip: [67.121.191.120] Message-Id: <20021117005312.AFEDE3A66@sitemail.everyone.net> X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've already gotten the reply from numerous people that thankfully, Nuclear Infinity does not have any Paradox adds. (Yay!) It now seems clear why I had this question in the first place. In their replies, the people explained that the set would only get a Paradox add if the next component were OP. I can understand that. However, this didn't agree with the definition I had of Nuclear: Paradox Atomic. I checked the footbag resource web sites again, and found that two notable ones--Flipsider and Midwest Footbag Association (and footbag.ru, slightly less "prestigious")--defined Nuclear as Paradox Atomic. When I went to Footbag.org looking for clarification, I found Nuclear defined as CLIP > SAME OUT >. No [DEX] or [PDX], and no indication for the next component, as there is in Quantum and Slapping. So does Nuclear Infinity exist? There's a video of it at Flipsider, and web sites list it in their "tricks" section. This would mean that the definition of Nuclear is actually Clipper set Fairy or Clipper set Atomic or something like that. Or is Nuclear Infinity just a "mistake" in assigning a name to a trick? Then Nuclear stays as Paradox Atomic. Regards, Vadim. Locrian for life. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Nov 20 01:08:45 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAK98iKl010193 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:08:44 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAK98ijc010191 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 01:08:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: by mail.infometrics.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:25:26 +1300 Message-ID: From: Floyd Morgan To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Downtime Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:25:21 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Been having a bit of a discussion with some of the boys down this side of the world and was wondering if anyone could help with the concept of downtime. In my opinion there are three stages in a move when dexes can be done. 1) Uptime - when the bags going up 2) Peaking - as the bag is neither going up or down 3) Downtime - when the bag is on its way down The argument is when does downtime come into effect, between 1 & 2 or between 2 & 3? I think between 2 & 3, but others think anything after the bag has finished going up is downtime. Any help on this would be much appreciated. Cheers, Floyd Morgan Footbag NZ P.S. The debate started over the difference between E-Walk (Frantic Butterfly) and Yoda (Pixie Ripwalk) and whether the difference is substantial enough for them to have separate names. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Nov 20 12:28:29 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAKKSSKA001665 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:28:28 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAKKSSvp001663 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:28:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from masina (datelc-2-4.dialup.vol.cz [62.177.76.112]) by majordomo.vol.cz (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKBwRtG013512 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:58:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from moglum@volny.cz) Message-ID: <200211201258240190.00090E30@smtp.volny.cz> References: <200211162306240870.026A5E41@smtp.volny.cz> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.01.01 (3) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:58:24 +0100 From: "Vojta Polak" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Could this be a new set? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="WINDOWS-1250" X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by llic.net id gAKBwUie014504 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, A few weeks ago at the German Footbag Open 2002 in Berlin I managed to hit a move which was completely new for me(and all the others there). It was a frigid osis set atomic butterfly. I call it frozen butterfly or simply legfreezer. I wonder if anyone of you tried or hit something with this set? If not and you are interested in how the trick looks like, here it is: http://www.footbag.cz/video/trix/legfreezer.avi 2.2M DivX (it was the second time I have hit it, the first try was clean but not on camera, the second try is not so clean but at least I can share it with you :) ) or here : http://www.footbagfreestyle.de/gfo2000_shred.avi 18M as a part of a larger video showing Vasek, Honza and Ales at the event. P.S. Thanks to Sebastian from www.footbagfreestyle.de for recording it ;) Vojta Polak moglum@footbag.cz www.footbag.cz From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Nov 21 14:34:02 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gALMY22r031318 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:34:02 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gALMY21Z031316 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:34:02 -0800 Message-Id: <200211212234.gALMY21Z031316@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [12.229.26.49] by web12803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:27:54 PST Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:27:54 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Baker Subject: [freestyle] The Seattle Festival!! To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello my ever so wiry footbag computer chat room friends!!! The Seattle Juggling and Footbag Festival was an overwhelmingly HUGE success. We had about 150 attendee's over the weekend. We surprised to see how many footbag players showed up. It was a great weekend of weird competitions, fun workshops and jugglers and footbaggers hanging out. Saturday we had a huge turnout and a healthy mixture of jugglers and footbaggers. Alex & I grew nervous throughout the day after learning our emcee for the public show, Ben West, (with Allan Haggett) could not get through the Canadian/US border that day. We also learned that one of main performers, a one armed juggler could not perform either. Alex and I were forced to emcee and after organizing the festival all day and emceeing the show, we had to run to another gig. Fortunately, the event went well. We were able to integrate the big 3 competition and demos of routines into the show as well as some incredible juggling. Tons of other cool stuff happened. The workshops that had the highest attendance were Justin Dales' "Get good at Footbag Fast", Allan Haggett's "Obstacle Footbag", and Andrew Johnsons' and Matt Emmings' "Beginning Footbag". We also had a cool trick contest with no rules that was a huge success. I was shocked with the high attendance of novice and intermediate footbaggers. I'm speculating that the reason this happened was the fact that this was a festival and not a tournament or competition. The weekend was full of 4-square and tons of footbag. We can't wait for next year! Well here are the results. We had a good amount of prize money and sweet prizes donated by our sponsors. Flying Clipper, Neon Husky, Kenny Shults and the WFA, Ted Huff and the Footbag Hall of Fame, Infinity Toys, Jane Jones, Espresso Vivace, Creative Athletics, Freedom Footbags and of course, THE PERFORMERS POSSE. Special thanks to Justin Dale and Rain City Shred. See you there next winter! Mens' Routines: 1. Daryl Genz 2. Justin Dale 3. Matt Emmings Womens' Routines: 1. Jane Jones 2. Savanna Jay-Bonn Mens' 30 Shred: 1. Allan Haggett 2. Justin Dale 3. Ben Schmaltz Womens' 30 Shred: 1. Savanna Jay-Bonn 2. Jane Jones Big 3: 1. Daryl Genz (Blurry whirl, paradox torque, paradox mirage) 2. Justin Dale (Pixie Butterfly, Ripwalk, Blurry Whirl) 3. Savanna Jay-Bonn (Fear, Fairy butterfly, Ripwalk) Open Iron Man: 1. Matt Baker 5 ball endurance: 1. David Kelly Cool trick contest: 1. Praise, with crazy juggling pattern 2. Alex Zerbe, with juggling while kicking 3. Forest Schrodt, with poi release trick From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Nov 22 17:24:27 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAN1OQCI001597 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:24:26 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAN1OQDQ001595 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:24:26 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from masina (prahae-5-46.dialup.vol.cz [62.177.75.178]) by smtp2.vol.cz (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAMIJvZh007265 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:20:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from moglum@volny.cz) Message-ID: <200211221920000370.01A9230F@smtp.volny.cz> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.01.01 (3) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 19:20:00 +0100 From: Vojta Polak To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Shred counting Content-Type: text/plain; charset="WINDOWS-1250" X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi freestylers, I've just tried to find the rules for counting shred, without success. Could anyone please send me the formula for counting shred results? Thanks. Vojta Polak moglum@footbag.cz www.footbag.cz From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Nov 22 17:37:10 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAN1bACI002034 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:37:10 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAN1bAIX002032 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:37:10 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from a1.footbag.org (12-228-92-36.client.attbi.com[12.228.92.36]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <20021123013613001004pn1ve>; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 01:36:13 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021122173400.00b4e360@llic.net> X-Sender: allan@llic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:35:29 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Allan Haggett Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred counting In-Reply-To: <200211221920000370.01A9230F@smtp.volny.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 07:20 PM 11/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Could anyone please send me the formula for counting shred results? Formula for Shred is: score = adds / contacts * uniques -Allan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Nov 23 02:37:12 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gANAbBvB018329 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:37:11 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gANAbBXp018327 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:37:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from localhost (sjani@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA93270 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:41:56 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:41:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Sunil S. Jani" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred counting In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021122173400.00b4e360@llic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Shredders: On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Allan Haggett wrote: > At 07:20 PM 11/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: > >Could anyone please send me the formula for counting shred results? > > Formula for Shred is: > > score = adds / contacts * uniques Actually, the one used at worlds (and almost every major) the past few years has been: score = ADDS + [(adds/contacts) * uniques] ie: The total adds plus the product of the add ratio times the number of unique tricks. NOTE: A drop (on an attempted trick) counts as a zero add contact. Hope this helps. Sunil From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Nov 23 02:38:44 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gANAcivB018368 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:38:44 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gANAciuB018363 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:38:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from PsyKick77@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.49.26ed4adf (18251); Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:42:10 -0500 (EST) From: PsyKick77@aol.com Message-ID: <49.26ed4adf.2b104502@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:42:10 EST Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred counting To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10622 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org there are two ways that i know: adds / contacts x uniques or also there is: adds / contacts x uniques + adds. some people argued that the OG version was to unique intesive so they decided to add the adds at the end to balance out uniques vs. adds issue. Eric From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Nov 23 12:38:31 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gANKcVv3003426 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:38:31 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gANKcV98003424 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:38:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 19920 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2002 17:39:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dell) ([216.27.176.244]) (envelope-sender ) by mail17.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Nov 2002 17:39:56 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c29317$5328aa20$f4b01bd8@sepior> From: "Eric Wulff" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred counting Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:39:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org One instruction need be added to this formula... - unique tricks are defined as only tricks of 3 adds or greater This is the formula used at worlds for the last several years. Total adds and ratio can be calculated close to real time with an add caller person and another person on a calculator. The unique tricks need be calculated with video revue. Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunil S. Jani" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred counting > > Hey Shredders: > > > On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Allan Haggett wrote: > > > At 07:20 PM 11/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: > > >Could anyone please send me the formula for counting shred results? > > > > Formula for Shred is: > > > > score = adds / contacts * uniques > > Actually, the one used at worlds (and almost every major) > the past few years has been: > > score = ADDS + [(adds/contacts) * uniques] > > ie: The total adds plus the product of the add ratio times the number of > unique tricks. > > NOTE: A drop (on an attempted trick) counts as a zero add contact. > > Hope this helps. > > Sunil From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Nov 23 23:59:49 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAO7xn8N028001 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:59:49 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAO7xnUE027999 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:59:49 -0800 Message-Id: <200211240759.gAO7xnUE027999@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from rwcrwbc56 (rwcrwbc56.attbi.com[204.127.198.45]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <2002112402491505100rrqlne>; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 02:49:15 +0000 Received: from [12.228.92.36] by rwcrwbc56; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 02:49:14 +0000 From: Jane Jones To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred counting Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 02:49:14 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 5 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: amFuZS1qb25lc0BhdHRiaS5jb20= X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, > Sunil wrote: > NOTE: A drop (on an attempted trick) counts as a zero add contact. I was under the impression that any trick <3 adds counts as a 0 add contact. > Eric Wrote: > - unique tricks are defined as only tricks of 3 adds or greater > > This is the formula used at worlds for the last several years. Yeah, that's what I thought/expected too, but in World's 2001, my score was skewed because the judges counted adds and uniques for 2 add moves. I would have put in all of my uniques two's and probably dropped significantly fewer times if I knew they were counting filler 2's (not to mention place higher). Rather, I went for guiltless and was penalized for it. I wasn't at World's this year, but hopefully this was changed. IMHO, it's not a shred event if you're counting 2's...and women are good enough these days to not need any charity 2's, but let me know in advance if your giving them out because I would include them in my strings for uniques in 30 sec. shred competition. see ya, Jane > One instruction need be added to this formula... > > - unique tricks are defined as only tricks of 3 adds or greater > > This is the formula used at worlds for the last several years. Total adds > and ratio can be calculated close to real time with an add caller person and > another person on a calculator. The unique tricks need be calculated with > video revue. > > Eric > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sunil S. Jani" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred counting > > > > > > Hey Shredders: > > > > > > On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Allan Haggett wrote: > > > > > At 07:20 PM 11/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: > > > >Could anyone please send me the formula for counting shred results? > > > > > > Formula for Shred is: > > > > > > score = adds / contacts * uniques > > > > Actually, the one used at worlds (and almost every major) > > the past few years has been: > > > > score = ADDS + [(adds/contacts) * uniques] > > > > ie: The total adds plus the product of the add ratio times the number of > > unique tricks. > > > > NOTE: A drop (on an attempted trick) counts as a zero add contact. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Sunil > From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Nov 24 00:01:31 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAO81V8N028099 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:01:31 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAO81V1G028097 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:01:31 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:25:34 -0800 Received: from 210.55.98.165 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:25:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.55.98.165] From: "Simon Hughes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] In Need of Lavers Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:25:34 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2002 08:25:34.0954 (UTC) FILETIME=[65DC64A0:01C2906E] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yo Freestyle Community Have some keen sick shredders here in Christchurch, New Zealand, but they are Laver-less. Anyone that has any second hand lavers they don't want that they could possibly give or sell cheaply anyone with shoe size close to 11US? my shoes are almost dead, I have to shoe goo them every month so yeah anyone out there with 8 1/2 size shoes or near that size lets talk :-) Ok thanks in advanced guys Simon "Tornado" Hughes From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Nov 24 12:34:14 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAOKYEVW018529 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:34:14 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAOKYE46018527 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:34:14 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 25227 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2002 19:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dell) ([216.27.176.244]) (envelope-sender ) by mail14.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Nov 2002 19:18:38 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c293ee$460dbc40$f4b01bd8@sepior> From: "Eric Wulff" To: References: <200211240759.gAO7xnUE027999@llic.net> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred counting Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:18:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org All tricks count towards adds and ratio. However, unique moves are only counted when the minimum add requirement for a unique move is met. Women's shred was introduced in 2001 with one difference compared to the "open" category... unique moves were counted as those moves 2 adds and higher. The rules for the women's shred event were announced and noted in e-mail announcements in advance and covered at the Tuesday evening freestyle meeting prior to worlds competition 2001. Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Jones" To: Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred counting > > Hey, > > > Sunil wrote: > > NOTE: A drop (on an attempted trick) counts as a zero add contact. > > I was under the impression that any trick <3 adds counts as a 0 add contact. > > > Eric Wrote: > > - unique tricks are defined as only tricks of 3 adds or greater > > > > This is the formula used at worlds for the last several years. > > Yeah, that's what I thought/expected too, but in World's 2001, my score was > skewed because the judges counted adds and uniques for 2 add moves. I would > have put in all of my uniques two's and probably dropped significantly fewer > times if I knew they were counting filler 2's (not to mention place higher). > Rather, I went for guiltless and was penalized for it. I wasn't at World's > this year, but hopefully this was changed. IMHO, it's not a shred event if > you're counting 2's...and women are good enough these days to not need any > charity 2's, but let me know in advance if your giving them out because I would > include them in my strings for uniques in 30 sec. shred competition. > > see ya, > Jane > From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Nov 25 16:27:41 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAQ0ReVA015941 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:27:40 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAQ0RedE015939 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:27:40 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from c1277828a (12-229-26-49.client.attbi.com[12.229.26.49]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <20021124214404003006rvase>; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:44:05 +0000 From: "Jane Jones" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred counting Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:44:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000e01c293ee$460dbc40$f4b01bd8@sepior> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Guess I should have paid closer attention at the players meeting, eh? ;-) Did they count 2's for women's shred at World's 2002? Will they count 2's for women's shred at World's 2003? -Jane > Eric wrote: > All tricks count towards adds and ratio. However, unique moves are only > counted when the minimum add requirement for a unique move is met. > > Women's shred was introduced in 2001 with one difference compared to the > "open" category... unique moves were counted as those moves 2 adds and > higher. The rules for the women's shred event were announced and noted in > e-mail announcements in advance and covered at the Tuesday evening freestyle > meeting prior to worlds competition 2001. > > Eric From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Nov 25 16:29:59 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAQ0TwVA016011 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:29:58 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAQ0TwRw016009 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:29:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: by bkb01-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:55:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA88061B8460@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Robert Riefer" To: Subject: [freestyle] Chilly Philly - Deadlines - 12/10/2002 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:55:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org IMPORTANT DEADLINES ARE APPROACHING ON 12/10/2002!!! If you are planning on attending the Chilly Philly Freestyle Jam on January 4th-5th, please READ *and* DIGEST the following important points. These are just key points. Please check http://www.footbag.org/events/show/1032472601 prior to emailing me questions. 1) ****SHIRT ORDERS MUST BE RECEIVED NO LATER THAN 12/10/2002!!!!**** If you want a long sleeve t-shirt with original artwork by NYFA player Amos Schumacher, YOU MUST HAVE YOUR ORDER FORM TO ME BY 12/10/2002. There will be no exceptions to this rule, and THERE WILL NOT BE EXTRA shirts for purchase at the event. Please make my job easier and take a few moments to print, fill out, and mail me your order form and payment. The shirts are really sweet and cheap ($5) so it's worth your effort. Order forms at the link above. (if for some reason you want to order multiple shirts, please just make a note on the order form and include an extra $5 for each extra shirt) 2) ****DISCOUNT HOTEL RESERVATIONS MUST ALSO BE MADE BY 12/10/2002**** There's not a whole lot of crash space available near the site (and my place is booked) so the hotels are your best bet. Hotel info at the link above. 3) Competition format and prizes. Open... At this point, it looks like 80% or more of all entry fees ($5 per competitor) plus some extra cash flow will be going to the first place winner of the Open Shred 30 (using Worlds scoring). Last year we had 50+ players, so the winner should take in more than $200. Novice/Intermediate... New scoring has been devised. We have designed the scoring format to encourage players to participate. $5 to enter. Cheap. We're looking to give copies of Tricks of the Trade away to the winners. Mystery prizes will be awarded to two players. I have total discretion on who deserves these *nice* prizes. Full format info at the link above. 4) Who will be there? A lot of players young and old, novice through BAP, big and small... This will be a really good time with lots of shredding and hanging out. If you're considering coming, just decide now and come. You'll not be disappointed. 5) Can I attend if I don't compete? Of course. Although for $5 there's really no reason not to get up and do your thang. 6) What division should I compete in? These are just rules of thumb (no flames please): If you're open level, you already know the answer to this. If you can link tricks together pretty nicely but you're not really going full time guiltless or hitting bigger tricks, you should probably go intermediate. If you can hit a few tricks but are still working on mastering links and combos, you should probably enter the novice category. Thanks! Bob Riefer Philly Footworks From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Nov 25 16:31:29 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAQ0VTVA016098 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:31:29 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAQ0VTOV016096 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:31:29 -0800 Message-Id: <200211260031.gAQ0VTOV016096@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [67.69.200.247] by web20705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:09:47 PST Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:09:47 -0800 (PST) From: Ellis Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Inventions To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, what's up, everybody? I am working on the new Flipsider, and I'm trying to give credit to the inventor of every trick in the Practice Room (there will be more tricks than what's in there now). Rippin', Ahren, Kenny, Tuan, Peter, can you please email me with a list of all the tricks you've invented? I'm talking small tricks and big tricks. If you can also tell me the year it was invented, that would be great. For everyone else, in the next couple weeks, if you are checking out the Practice Room, and there's a trick that needs to have the inventor named and you know who it is, please contact me through the site. For the record, the new site is not up yet. Thanks! Ellis Piltz From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Nov 25 16:32:38 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAQ0WcVA016142 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:32:38 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAQ0WcLY016140 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:32:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:08:40 -0800 Received: from 210.55.98.245 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:08:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [210.55.98.245] From: "Simon Hughes" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] E-walk VS Yoda? Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:08:40 +1300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2002 23:08:40.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[97F12D00:01C294D7] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Freestylers Pixie Ripwalk=Yoda Frantic(Pixie quantum) Butterfly=E-walk Right? Well thats what everyone says.So what is the difference in the two moves? The obvious seperation must be the whole "downtime" theory that Floyd mentioned. But for both of the moves Yoda and Ewalk, the bag should really still be going UP. Ripwalk is defined that after the stepping set it must be still going UP, otherwise its classed as a "Jaywalk". So for toe set ripwalk, shouldn't it be done with Quantum set? Otherwise it should be E-walk is the real pixie ripwalk, and Yoda is really pixie jaywalk. Please set it straight! Later, Simon "Tornado" Hughes CEB- Christchurch Elite Blades From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Nov 25 23:02:33 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gAQ72Xr4000989 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:02:33 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gAQ72XO3000987 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:02:33 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: (qmail 27257 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2002 06:57:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dell) ([216.27.176.244]) (envelope-sender ) by mail13.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Nov 2002 06:57:49 -0000 Message-ID: <002201c29519$16e320a0$f4b01bd8@sepior> From: "Eric Wulff" To: References: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred counting Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:57:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org We did for 2002. Don't know what the Czechs or the IFPA have planned for 2003. Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Jones" To: Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shred counting > Guess I should have paid closer attention at the players meeting, eh? ;-) > Did they count 2's for women's shred at World's 2002? Will they count 2's > for women's shred at World's 2003? > > -Jane > > > Eric wrote: > > All tricks count towards adds and ratio. However, unique moves are only > > counted when the minimum add requirement for a unique move is met. > > > > Women's shred was introduced in 2001 with one difference compared to the > > "open" category... unique moves were counted as those moves 2 adds and > > higher. The rules for the women's shred event were announced and noted in > > e-mail announcements in advance and covered at the Tuesday evening > freestyle > > meeting prior to worlds competition 2001. > > > > Eric From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Nov 28 12:15:04 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gASKF3Oq009453 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:15:04 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gASKF3tw009451 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 12:15:03 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from NogginMonster@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id z.130.1833acf8 (18707) for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:47:57 -0500 (EST) From: Ben Scarborough Message-ID: <130.1833acf8.2b17a2bd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:47:57 EST Subject: [freestyle] Inspinning Ducking To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello friends, Just a note from down south, where it is still nice and warm enough to kick in the out of doors even in the midst if night, trying to find out: Has anyone done inspinning ducking ? If so is it done in one motion where the duck is performed simultaneously with the inspin, putting the bag over the face or the throat, or is it executed extracrispy as an inspinning set where the inspin is performed first as its own set and the duck is executed post spin. I have not been able to get the motion of this set down as it feels as though I may fillet myself in the process. Any video of this would be awesome. Ben Scarborough Augusta Footbag SOUF From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Nov 29 13:19:10 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gATLJ9J9025485 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:19:09 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gATLJ92d025483 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:19:09 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:44:09 -0800 Received: from 12.229.16.189 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 19:44:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.229.16.189] Reply-To: footslug@yahoo.com From: "Matt Baker" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Obstacle Footbag! Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 11:44:09 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2002 19:44:09.0314 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF3A7420:01C297DF] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org YO YO YO YO! What is the haps on the snaps in the internet world of footbag enthusiasts?? In honor of Buy Nothing Day I though I would write to you all. Last week I was doing some obstacle footbag and had a pretty nasty spill off some stairs. That stuff is not easy at least not as easy as Allan makes it look. It is good that he is doing this because people don't want to sit and watch a shred circle. People want to see huge moves off a stuff. Why? They want to watch this because there is a element of danger that keeps you interested. I am glad Allan is doing this; taking the sport to a more extreme angle. This is what we can sell to X-Games not shred. So Allan when is your obstacle footbag video coming out???? I'd buy it! Take it easy, Matt Baker Performers Posse Brothers from Different Mothers From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Nov 29 13:20:18 2002 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gATLKIJ9025537 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:20:18 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) id gATLKItj025535 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:20:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:13:02 -0800 Received: from 12.229.16.189 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 20:13:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.229.16.189] Reply-To: footslug@yahoo.com From: "Matt Baker" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Presentation Judging!! Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 12:13:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2002 20:13:02.0041 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8039C90:01C297E3] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Once again hello to you articulate individuals who thrive on the essence of a good shred! At the Seattle Juggling and Footbag Festival this year we did something I think we should do at worlds. We had a presentation judge who was a professional juggler. We felt that by having someone who knew nothing about footbag and a lot about good presentation we could accurately judge just as the technical is so accurately judged. By having a performer or someone knows what it takes to entertain a audience judge, we eliminate the bias towards what a good performance is and phat shred. I felt at worlds the technical and presentation were a little blended together where they should be totally different. Just my opinion! How many of the judges at worlds know what it's like to keep a audience entertained?? Just my piece. cordially, Matt Baker