From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 2 13:36:51 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h32LapXV016208 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:36:51 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h32Lap05016206 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:36:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 07:16:44 -0800 Received: from 205.236.144.4 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:16:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.236.144.4] X-Originating-Email: [everythingisnothing@hotmail.com] From: "James McCullough" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symposium in Multi-dex Moves Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:16:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2003 15:16:44.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF0E1560:01C2F92A] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Doesn't backside and frontside cover it all? I mean there aren't any downtime moves that can have a symposium in two different places. With sets there is this possibility...take sailing for example. You can have backside and frontside sailing and then combine it with a symposium downtime move. Let's use superfly for fun. Now what are we to do? It's really quite simple and saves a lot of space. FS sailing superfly or BS sailing superfly. Normally frontside and backside are meant to be used when there is a symposium in a set and then in a move, the above example takes care of when it is not the case. But it means when BS is in front of a set with multi leg dexes you have to specify whether or not the downtime move is symposium or not. example: BS sailing mirage BS sailing symposium mirage Two different moves (obviously), I'm just trying to show that BS and FS work just fine. The bs is meant specifically for the set, and thus you have to specify the symposium in the move after it. It's only in multi leg double dex sets where difficulty arises. For single LEG symposium sets (flailing, wonton, symp barraging etc) you can use BS and FS normally (bs for the downtime move being symp and fs for the set being symp). And if you have a single leg symposium set with a symposium move you can say it's DS, for double symposium (DS tap for instance). Everything works out fine. This assumes of course that there are no downtime moves that can have two DIFFERENT symposium components...and none do...Just TRY to do a frontside toe blizzard completely on the way down...You'd have to plant REALLLLY quick. In any case if someone were sick enough to do it you can STILL use FS and BS observe: BS sailing FS toe blizzard. But I guess this is why some moves are given cool short names :p James From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 2 14:35:21 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h32MZLBr019305 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:35:21 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h32MZLQ0019303 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:35:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:25:21 -0800 Received: from 24.154.237.203 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:25:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.154.237.203] X-Originating-Email: [parkinsons312@hotmail.com] From: "Michael Park" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symposium in Multi-dex Moves Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 22:25:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2003 22:25:21.0264 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF61E700:01C2F966] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What about this example? frontside and backside don't work, cuz there are three possible symposium dexes. An example is quantum atomic mirage. It could be wanton atomic, it could be quantum flailing, or it could be quantum atomic symposium. That middle one means that frontside backside wouldn't work. cuz if the middle dex was symp, what do you say? There is always "middle symposium" but then what if it was like, downtime omelette or sumthin' after the set, who knows, then you're screwed again. I'm in favor of the Greek letter stuff. Plus it sounds cool and a lot less skater-ish. No offense to skaters, but we're an original sport lets stay original. That's my 2 cents p.s. on the flipsider forum there was a thread on like "symp double legover set" (quantum atomic) and some ppl were getting decent uptime with it from what i hear, so don't be sayin' it can't be done. >From: "James McCullough" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symposium in Multi-dex Moves >Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:16:43 +0000 > >Doesn't backside and frontside cover it all? I mean there aren't any >downtime moves that can have a symposium in two different places. With sets >there is this possibility...take sailing for example. You can have backside >and frontside sailing and then combine it with a symposium downtime move. >Let's use superfly for fun. Now what are we to do? It's really quite simple >and saves a lot of space. FS sailing superfly or BS sailing superfly. >Normally frontside and backside are meant to be used when there is a >symposium in a set and then in a move, the above example takes care of when >it is not the case. But it means when BS is in front of a set with multi >leg dexes you have to specify whether or not the downtime move is symposium >or not. > >example: BS sailing mirage > BS sailing symposium mirage > >Two different moves (obviously), I'm just trying to show that BS and FS >work just fine. The bs is meant specifically for the set, and thus you have >to specify the symposium in the move after it. It's only in multi leg >double dex sets where difficulty arises. For single LEG symposium sets >(flailing, wonton, symp barraging etc) you can use BS and FS normally (bs >for the downtime move being symp and fs for the set being symp). And if you >have a single leg symposium set with a symposium move you can say it's DS, >for double symposium (DS tap for instance). Everything works out fine. > >This assumes of course that there are no downtime moves that can have two >DIFFERENT symposium components...and none do...Just TRY to do a frontside >toe blizzard completely on the way down...You'd have to plant REALLLLY >quick. > >In any case if someone were sick enough to do it you can STILL use FS and >BS >observe: BS sailing FS toe blizzard. > >But I guess this is why some moves are given cool short names :p > >James > From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Apr 3 12:08:14 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h33K8Ber007861 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:08:11 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h33K8Bc7007859 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 12:08:11 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 10:24:01 -0800 Received: from 205.236.144.4 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Apr 2003 18:24:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.236.144.4] X-Originating-Email: [everythingisnothing@hotmail.com] From: "James McCullough" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Symposium in Multi-dex Moves Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 18:24:00 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2003 18:24:01.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[33306150:01C2FA0E] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Micheal wrote: >What about this example? frontside and backside don't work, cuz there are >three possible symposium dexes. An example is quantum atomic mirage. It >could be wanton atomic, It still works. Read what I wrote carefully. The quantum atomic set (fairy really if you think about it) is just like any other multi leg multi dex set. If the system works for frantic and sailing it still works for quantum fairy. All you have to do is specify whether or not the downtime move after the set is symposium or not. For the sake of simplicity I'm going to call it quantic (quantum fairy set). So you have: BS quantic mirage (quantum symp fairy set, then mirage) FS quantic mirage (wonton fairy set, then mirage) quantic symposium mirage (not possible) BS quantic symposium mirage (quantum symp fairy set the symp mirage) FS quantic symposium mirage (wonton fairy set then symp mirage) And btw that set can't be done without either of the components being symposium (unlike sailing and frantic) so quantum atomic symposium isn't possible. And I'm not even sure if quantum symposium fairy is possible...it could be though. The system still stands. It's definitely less confusing than Greek alphabet letters and prefixes, AND it saves space. Whether or not frontside and backside are skateboard terms is irrelevant, what about the word shred? How many other sports use that? James From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Apr 20 21:18:01 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h3L4I1DV026925 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:18:01 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h3L4I1Nv026923 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:18:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 20:07:43 -0700 Received: from 139.134.57.153 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 03:07:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.134.57.153] X-Originating-Email: [lizard_king207@hotmail.com] From: "Jeremy O'Wheel" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Footbag Move list Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 03:07:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2003 03:07:43.0391 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D1CD2F0:01C307B3] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org G'day As I'm sure many people have noticed, the footbag.org move list has become slightly dated and it's time for an update. For this reason I've volunteered to help out and would like a little extra help from everyone else out there. I was hoping everyone could send me all the moves they can think of that are NOT on the footbag list. Name(s), job's notation and a brief description would be good. Thanks heaps. Jeremy From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 22 16:36:43 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h3MNagDV030086 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:36:42 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h3MNag8g030084 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:36:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.213]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HDR00GCAQS7ET@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml8so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.152]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HDR00HJYQS7GW@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from a1.footbag.org (h24-70-216-74.gv.shawcable.net [24.70.216.74]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HDR00EL1QS7C4@l-daemon> for freestyle@list.footbag.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 16:33:42 -0700 From: Erik Engeberg Subject: [freestyle] Reverse Blender (Dyno) Move Questions X-Sender: allan@llic.net To: freestyle@list.footbag.org Message-id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030422163118.00b4b438@llic.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Lately I've been hitting some interesting dyno variations. I hit pixie op. dyno (toe > same in > op in > spin > same xbd del) and symposium quantum op. dyno (toe > op in [symposium dexterity] > op in > spin > same xbd del) the other day. Anyone hit/know the names of these moves? -Erik Engeberg PS forgive my poor Job's From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Apr 23 14:27:48 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h3NLRmDV013617 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:27:48 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h3NLRmbF013615 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:27:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:18:28 -0700 Received: from 12.225.179.70 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 05:18:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.225.179.70] X-Originating-Email: [shreddaily@hotmail.com] From: "Nate Linscott" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Drifter/Whirl Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:18:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2003 05:18:28.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5FF1820:01C30957] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey list, I finally sealed toe drifter and pdx whirl today(both sides!). The thing I figured out is that unlike the other on-the-way-down-dex moves like mirage and butterfly, the dex on drifter and whirl is done while YOU and your body weight are on the way up. If you jump before you do the dex the timing is off and it'll be hard to seal. You have to dex and jump simultaneously. I've seen this a million times on video but never understood it till now. Again it's: bag rises, bag falls and prepare for dex, jump and do the dex simultaneously or even mid-way through the dex , land and clipper. This principal probably applies to torque and blender too. Anyway this little tip made a huge difference for me hopefully it helps someone out there with similar troubles. Nate Linscott PS!- This isn't the official announcement but some time in October Eugene Oregon's Shred Assembly will be hosting a Tourny. The venue and DJ should be free so there'll hopefully be lots of prize MONEY!! More details soon. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Apr 25 19:49:48 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h3Q2nlDV015057 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:49:47 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h3Q2nlXO015055 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:49:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:32:11 -0700 Received: from 139.134.58.153 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:32:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.134.58.153] X-Originating-Email: [lizard_king207@hotmail.com] From: "Jeremy O'Wheel" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New moves for move list Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:32:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2003 02:32:11.0253 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A532250:01C30B9C] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org G'day the following is a list of proposed new moves for the www.footbag.org move list. If you have any problems with these moves (ie have a different name for them) please let me know. I would also appreciate it if people who have hit any of these moves let me know to make sure they are possible. I have included brief job's with each move plus a technical name if possible - please do the same if you do have a problem with one of the moves to make sure we are talking about the same thing. Also if you do have any moves that are not on the footbag list (maybe just a move you know but haven't hit or whatever) please let me know. At the moment I am not putting in *party trick* moves - only because I want to be systematic about it, I will so do let me know. The following are four adds not counting the x dex. Atomic Drifter Toe>op out>op in> same clip Rasmus (Atomic Ducking Mirage) Toe >op out> duck>op in>op toe Atomic Whirl Toe>op out>op in>op clip Bs symp smudge Toe>same in> (no plant) op out> op toe Bladerunner (atomic eggbeater) Toe>op out>op out> op out>same toe Blister (whirling spyro mirage) Clip>op in>spin>op in>op toe Bubba Osis (clipper set flux) Clip>op out>spin>op clip Burly Whirl (Swirling whirl) Clip>same back swirl>op in>op clip Casket (fairy same drifter) Toe> same out> (plant) same in>same clip Catacomb (pixie same drifter) Toe>same in>(plant) same in>same clip Ducking whirl Toe>duck>op in> op clip Enterrage (terraging leg over) Toe>same in>same in>op out>same toe Fairy Barrage Toe>same out>op in> same in> op toe Fairy ducking clip Toe>same out>duck>same clip Pixie ducking Clip Toe>same in> duck>same clip Flaming Homer (fairy same eggbeater) Toe>same out> (plant) same out>op out>same toe Flow (fairy osis) Toe>same out>spin>op clip Frenzy (frantic mirage) Toe>same in >op in> op in> op toe Glaucoma (fairy same dlo) Toe>same out>(plant)same in>op out>op toe Guillotine (fairy ducking mirage) Toe>same out>duck>op in>op toe Gyro barrage Clip>spin>same in>same in>op toe Neutron Smasher (atomic gyro mirage) Toe>op out>spin>op in>op toe Leaning Jowler (stepping inspinning mirage) Clip>op in>spin>same in>op toe Little Apple (spyro symp mirage) Clip>spin (plant)>(no plant while) same in> op toe Mantis (gyro eggbeater) Clip>spin>same out>op out>same toe Orangutan(fairy eggbeater) Toe>same out>op out> op out>same toe Park Avenue (fairy same butterfly) Toe>same out>(plant)same out>op clip Maverick (pixie same osis) Toe>same in (plant)>spin>same clip Predator (atomic dlo) Toe>op out>op in>op out> same toe Puck (pixie ducking legover) Toe>same in>duck>op out> same toe Sabotage (Toe flurry) Toe>op in>same in>op out>same toe Sailing mirage Toe>same in>op out>op in> same toe Tap down (tapping butterfly) Toe>op out (plant)>same out>op clip Slap down (slapping butterfly) Toe>op in (plant)>same out> op clip Sonic osis (spinning same osis) Clip>spin (back)>spin (back)> same clip Sumo (parradox atom smasher) Clip>same out>op in>op toe Swifter (drifter swirl) Clip>op in>op swirl>same clip Torus (fairy spyro mirage) Toe>same out>spin>op in> op toe Tremor (tapping drifter) Toe>op out(plant)>same in>same clip Trixie (triple pixie) Toe>same in>same in>same in>op toe Trochus (BS symp omelette) Toe>op out>(no plant while)op out>op toe Wahnsinn (pixie ducking inspinning toe) Toe>same in>duck>spin>same toe Whale tail (surging legover) Clip>spin>same in>op out>same toe Zigzag (swirling rev swirl) Clip>swirl (back)>same swirl (front)>same clip Thank you Jeremy O'Wheel From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Apr 26 20:08:17 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h3R38HDV030551 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:08:17 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h3R38H8d030549 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:08:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:00:27 -0700 Received: from 139.134.58.153 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 03:00:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.134.58.153] X-Originating-Email: [lizard_king207@hotmail.com] From: "Jeremy O'Wheel" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New moves for move list Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 03:00:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2003 03:00:27.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[279F0C20:01C30C69] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org G'day I've got some more moves to be added to the footbag.org movelist. Some of these may be already on the list or already mentioned, but I'm too lazy to check. Please go over them and let me know if you have another name for these moves or any problems. Thanks Jeremy P.S. Also let me know if you're having problems with my lazy Job's - especially ducking and spinning. __________________________________________ Arcwalk frigid osis set>same in>op out>op clip Blazing Butterfly clip>op in (whirling set)>op out>op clip Blazing pdx mirage (Blaze) clip>op in(whirling set)>op in> op toe Symp Blazing Butterfly (firewalk) clip>(no plant while)op in (Symp whirling set)>op out>op clip Symp Guillotine (fairy ducking symp mirage) toe>same out>duck>(no plant while)op in>op toe Symp Rasmus (atomic diving symp mirage) toe>op out>dive>(no plant while) op in>op toe Assassin (pixie ducking mirage) toe>same in>duck>op in>op toe Symp Assassin toe>same in>duck>(no plant while)op in>op toe Goliath (pixie ducking dlo) toe>same in>duck>op in>op out>op toe Tunguska(atomic diving dlo) toe>op out>dive>op in> op out>same toe Symp Neutron Smasher (atomic spinning symp mirage) toe>op out>spin>(no plant while) op in>op toe Avalanche (tapping dlo) toe>op out> same in>op out>same toe Supernova(symp Predator/atomic nova/atomic symp dlo) toe>op out>(no plant while) op in> op out> same toe Tapping Barrage toe>op out>same in>same in>op toe Wentletrappe (I witnessed this being hit for the first time, Quote from Lynton Stephens "here's a move nobodies hit before")(fairy gyro DLO) toe>same out>spin>op in>op out>same toe Cataclysm(atomic gyro dlo) toe>op out>spin>op in>op out>same toe Juggernaut (fairy symp eggbeater) toe>same out>(no plant while) op out>op out>same toe Pixie Diving Torque toe>same in>dive>op in>spin>op clip Cyclone (shooting gyro mirage) clip>op in>op out>spin>op in> op toe Tapping eggbeater toe>op out>same out>op out>same toe pixie double switch toe>same in>op out>same out>same toe Alpine Fudge toe>same out>duck>op out>op toe Alpine Smudge toe>same in>duck>op out>op toe Alpine Omelette toe>op out>dive>op out>op toe Cascade (diving DLO) toe>dive>op in>op out>op toe Stomping Cascade toe>dive>(wtf is the job's for a stomp)op in>op out>op toe Stomping Avalanche toe>op out> same stomping dlo Atomic Torque toe>op out>op in>spin>op clip Alpine Reactor toe>op out>dive>op in>op clip Trochus (BS Symp omelette) toe>op out>(no plant while) op out> op toe Thanks. I may need to talk to have a discussion with Lynton (Stephens) (most of these are his moves) about the difference between ducking and diving, but hopefully you knew what I meant. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 28 13:52:23 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h3SKqMDV019223 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:52:22 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h3SKqM9T019219 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:52:22 -0700 Message-Id: <200304282052.h3SKqM9T019219@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [65.95.46.183] by web41211.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:35:25 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 08:35:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellis Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] New moves for move list To: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <200304272226.h3RMQ2ws000523@llic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Trick naming is taking a very, very ugly course. I consider myself up-to-date on today's tricks, but I hardly recognize anything in that list. Scrap the names, and use more technical references. If this proposed "update" is installed, I see a lot of problems in the near future. I'm probably guilty of naming too many moves, but nothing close to this huge list. It's gotta be gradual. You can't expect the whole community to memorize all that. Not only do I object to the whole list, but I have specific objections to many of those moves. Later, Ellis Piltz From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 28 15:48:44 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h3SMmiDV024575 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:48:44 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h3SMmiCG024573 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:48:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from rains.umail.ucsb.edu ([128.111.151.216] helo=localhost) by lebeau.umail.ucsb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #3) id 19AHDo-0008m8-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:35:40 -0700 Received: from R182133.resnet.ucsb.edu (R182133.resnet.ucsb.edu [128.111.182.133]) by webaccess.umail.ucsb.edu (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:35:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1051569339.3eadacbb5c61c@webaccess.umail.ucsb.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:35:39 -0700 From: Jeremy Mirken To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New moves for move list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2-cvs X-Scanner: exiscan *19AHDo-0008m8-00*v75fEiMesAc* (U-Mail Electronic Communications - UCSB) X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I do not have a problem with most of the names on Jeremy Wheeler's list. Many of these names are suitable, for example the "alpine" moves, which simply imply that a duck or dive is executed between two dexterities. Additionally, I do believe that the inventor of a specific trick has the right to propose any name he/she wishes. I see this as ones inalienable right, being the first to hit a move. However, are you sure that Lynton (Stephens) was the first to hit these moves? Example: Neutron Smasher (Aussie name), but Jonny Quest (US name) Which came first? Without knowing this, how can one call the symposium variety a "Symposium Neutron Smasher?" Moves names like "tapping barrage," "tapping eggbeater" -totally sufficient names by the way. By the way, what is a Tunguska, Rasmus, Wentletrappe, and Trochus? Are these names of material things or just made up names? Jeremy Mirken hackman@umail.ucsb.edu From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 28 16:09:20 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h3SN9JDV025655 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:09:19 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h3SN9JnY025653 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:09:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (not verified[127.0.0.1]) by inetsrv.callplus.co.nz with MailMarshal (4,0,9,0) id ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:53:34 +1200 Received: by inetsrv.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2CBD6J3P>; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:53:34 +1200 Message-ID: <31E1140DFAD2D54FB91BAD8D475EC17C01402847@inetsrv.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] New moves for move list Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:53:33 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, Just wanted to add my 2c worth. I see that there's some named stomping tricks in Jeremy O'Wheels list - I think these should be taken out... You can stomp most tricks, and while it looks cool, if it ain't worth an add, it ain't a new trick. Hey, maybe adds are useful after all... PS. For all you backflipping, dolphin diving, handstanding 'footbag dancers' out there... I'm sure a lot of the kooky stuff you hit is a trick in your books, but we are talking technical freestyle here... Not interpretive dance. L8rz -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Mirken [mailto:hackman@umail.ucsb.edu] Sent: Tuesday, 29 April 2003 10:36 a.m. To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New moves for move list I do not have a problem with most of the names on Jeremy Wheeler's list. Many of these names are suitable, for example the "alpine" moves, which simply imply that a duck or dive is executed between two dexterities. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Apr 28 16:55:00 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h3SNt0DV027460 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:55:00 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h3SNt0qu027458 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:55:00 -0700 Message-Id: <200304282355.h3SNt0qu027458@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from rwcrwbc69 (unknown[204.127.198.52]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <2003042823513405200nsmake>; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:51:34 +0000 Received: from [198.239.63.93] by rwcrwbc69; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:51:29 +0000 From: jane-jones@attbi.com To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New moves for move list Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:51:29 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 23 2003) X-Authenticated-Sender: amFuZS1qb25lc0BhdHRiaS5jb20= X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there, I agree partially with Ellis and partially with Jeremy. Naming every single trick that has ever been hit has become out of control. Most of the time just calling the trick by it's base name and additional counterparts/desriptors such as set(atomic/nuclear/shooting/frantic/quantum/sailing/etc), spin, in-spin, symp, rooted, gyro, blind, ducking, diving, alpine, etc. will suffice. There are too many people playing across the globe to track who hit a "new" trick for the first time and gets to name it. I think it's a good idea to continue naming new concepts/sets, but officially, it should not be necessary to name every new trick. Sometimes when the trick becomes too verbose ("blurry-inspinning-ducking-pdx-symposium-whirl"), it seems a good idea to use a new name. But probably better to just name parts of the trick, turning it into a compound name. For example...rather than have a unique name for every single blurry-inpinning trick, just call it "leaning" and then the rest of the trick. That way we have also effectively named every leaning trick without having to wait for every player try to hit a new variation of it so that they can name a trick. To name every unique atomic trick, alpine trick, pixie ducking, atomic ducking, surging, inspinning, leaning, pdx symp, etc is unnecessary and unmanageable! There are threads on other footbag forums that discuss peoples opinions about this in more detail. Check it out! I say, if you come up with a new common set or new type of common body component, or something to that effect, then just propose a name for that set/component and append it to rest of already named trick. For example, instead of pixie-miraging butterfly (basically a smear on the way up and a butterfly on the way down), just call it "sailing butterfly"...that is, if I have the definition for "sailing" correct. That way we have effectively named every "pixie-miraging" variation of a trick without having to have a unique name for each. Of course, there are some names that are just undeniably meant for a trick...but those should be the exception and not the norm. That's what I think for now. Would it be a good idea to have an official board of freestyle reps (don't we have this already ?) for players to submit their name suggestions to for approval by the masses? Do we need "official" names? Is it okay that we have regional naming differences? I mean how many names have we all heard for a "flying clipper" - does it really matter? maybe it's kind of fun having multiple names...we'll just consider it footbag slang. Now I'm rambling. See ya, Jane From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 29 00:46:39 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h3T7kcDV012190 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:46:38 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h3T7kcWE012188 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:46:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:31:16 -0700 Received: from 66.73.250.22 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 06:31:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.73.250.22] X-Originating-Email: [shredtellicus@hotmail.com] From: "Tim Werner" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New moves for move list Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 01:31:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2003 06:31:16.0916 (UTC) FILETIME=[F03ED740:01C30E18] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org My two main concerns were Avalanche, and Supernova. I was under the impression that Avalanche was a alpine blizzard (which, IMO makes a lot more sense). And I was less sure about this, but I thought that Supernova was blurry symposium DLO. In addition, I think that it isn't necessary to put stomping moves on the list, because it's confusing if you put it for some, and too involved to put it for all (of the moves that can be stomping). That's all I have to say about it right now. -Tim Werner Chicago Inner Circle P.S. Come to the windy city open, may 24-26, it's going to be madness. >From: "Jeremy O'Wheel" >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: Re: [freestyle] New moves for move list >Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 03:00:26 +0000 > > > ..................Avalanche (tapping dlo) >toe>op out> same in>op out>same toe >Supernova(symp Predator/atomic nova/atomic symp dlo) >toe>op out>(no plant while) op in> op out> same toe............ From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 29 13:41:19 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h3TKfJDV008942 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:41:19 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h3TKfJL0008939 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:41:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:00:19 -0700 Received: from 217.231.213.180 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:00:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.231.213.180] X-Originating-Email: [inzingerm@hotmail.com] From: "Marc Inzinger" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] New moves for move list Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:00:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2003 15:00:19.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D02C340:01C30E60] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >PS. For all you backflipping, dolphin diving, handstanding 'footbag >dancers' out there... I'm sure a lot of the kooky stuff you hit is a trick >in your books, but we are talking technical freestyle here... Not >interpretive dance. Sadly I am playing "technically" guiltless freestyle and I miss most of the best possible moves so far... hello over there use some imagination it´s freestyle! right and not add abundance... a freestyler who plays on your level should have respect for the things he-she CAN`T do...a lot of things will change. Marc From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Apr 29 13:40:28 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id h3TKeSDV008884 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:40:28 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5) id h3TKeSQn008882 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:40:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: by mail.centrum.cz id ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:04:52 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:04:52 +0200 From: Ales Zelinka To: X-Mailer: Centrum Mail 1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [freestyle] New moves for move list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20030429200452Z1597542-18675+435586@mail.centrum.cz> X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Would it be great to have all those moves(I mean really all of them) on video?I thing that most of hit-able trick could be hit in Prague this summer.Don't you think? I'd like to suggest to all players who are interested in trick-list making or who already have some lists to bring it to Prague and take with you your cameras. Players Association could make something like this big list with video for each trick. Just PERFECT executed tricks should be performed there! What you think about this idea? We must put our heads together and do it - that my opinion. This Worlds could be perfect time for it. Ales ______________________________________________________________ > Od: jane-jones@attbi.com > Komu: freestyle@footbag.org > CC: > Datum: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:51:29 +0000 > Předmět: Re: [freestyle] New moves for move list > > Hey there, > > I agree partially with Ellis and partially with Jeremy. Naming every single > trick that has ever been hit has become out of control. Most of the time just > calling the trick by it's base name and additional counterparts/descriptors such > as set(atomic/nuclear/shooting/frantic/quantum/sailing/etc), spin, in-spin, > symp, rooted, gyro, blind, ducking, diving, alpine, etc. will suffice. There > are too many people playing across the globe to track who hit a "new" trick for > the first time and gets to name it.