From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sun Jul 6 02:44:53 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h669irdI003766 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 02:44:53 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h669ir0o003764 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 02:44:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from I (dhcp217.llic.net [209.125.90.217]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h669iqdJ003760 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 02:44:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@209.125.90.2 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 02:44:57 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Another call for Worlds judges Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Folks, thanks to those of you who responded to my first two queries. I definitely had a few volunteers from the last query, but unfortunately we're still nowhere near where we need to be. To make every judge's job that much easier, I need a full complement of judges, and so far I only have about 1/2 as many as I need. [For those of you who previously replied, please be patient. I'm close to sending out more detailed information to all volunteers; if you are going to be offline soon to travel to the event, please e-mail me and let me know what my time constraints are! :-)] For the rest of you -- PLEASE -- if you are qualified and capable, consider this as my desperate plea for you to go ahead *now* and volunteer for this prestigious position. A judge at the world championships is a full staff position, which includes a Worlds t-shirt and other "perks" that go along with being on staff. (For example, your name will be in the event program if you tell me in the next few days.) E-mail me immediately -- you don't have to commit yet, but if you can at least let me know you're thinking about it based on getting more detail before making a decision, that will help me immensely. Because we're using the Olympic-style judging system, and because all judges are signed up well in advance, each judge will know his/her schedule (when they need to be sitting and judging) in advance of the event(s). So, you can rest assured, the only time we'll need you to work are the times we sign you up for (just like any other staff position, such as officials at net matches, etc.) We'll have a meeting on Tuesday evening (the historical time slot of the judging clinic; but this year players don't need to attend that since we'll have all "staff" judges) so worst case, you can show up there to be taught about the system and given a bunch of examples to work through. In the interest of brevity, I won't paste in the long list of qualifications from the last two messages I sent. Just tell me if you're willing, and I'll take it from there. We need about 10 more judges (!!) so please *please* volunteer today. Help me, and help the sport. Steve P.S. We have over 150 pre-registered players at Worlds this year, including over 50 players in open freestyle, and around 35 (so far) intermediates, 10+ women, and around 7 doubles teams. With that many players, we really need multiple judging panels so every judge can have a reasonable workload. Please do your part to help make this first-ever Worlds in Europe a huge success!!! From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jul 7 10:29:08 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h67HT85p013358 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:29:08 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h67HT8Gx013356 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:29:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from arvuti (dhcp-26-63.cable.infonet.ee [212.7.26.63]) by www.stv.ee (8.12.8/8.12.5) with SMTP id h67AgkJu039201 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:42:49 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from uvepoom@footbag.ee) Message-ID: <00aa01c34474$ee6fb820$3f1a07d4@infonet.ee> From: "Uve Poom" To: References: Subject: [freestyle] Players for lifestyle tourney in Estonia needed! Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:45:44 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all! This is an urgent call for any of the top shredders that will be in Europe after the Worlds. The deal I am about to offer is not certain yet, but most probable, and will be a great chance for that someone to visit Estonia. On August 8-9th there will be an extreme sports festival called Simpel Session '03 held in Tartu, Estonia and footbag will be a part of it. Check out the site www.session03.com (footbag is not yet mentioned there, but will be soon). Some of the best skaters and flatlanders in the world have attended the Session during the past years and it's a great event with lots to see. Several Finnish shredders should be there this year, not to mention the Estonian kickers. Hoping for some Russians to show up too. We are now looking for a sponsor to cover the transport costs for one top-notch player to participate the competition and make it all rock. So if you think you have time after the Worlds that you would like to spend in a very cool country (with affordable prices) at a very cool event, then get back to me privately ASAP and I'll fill you in with more info. Hoping to hear from someone soon, Uve Poom Tallinn Footbag Club Estonia www.footbag.ee From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jul 8 22:02:28 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6952S5p002279 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:02:28 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6952SgP002277 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:02:28 -0700 Message-Id: <200307090502.h6952SgP002277@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [63.205.214.41] by web40811.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:50:25 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:50:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Lon Smith Subject: [freestyle] All the Different Footbag Shoes To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Everyone, My name is Lon Smith. I want to play in all the different footbag shoes. If you know of any please tell me: - The name of the shoe. - Model of the shoe. - Where to get the shoe. - Who plays in the shoe. - How much the shoe costs. - Colors the shoe comes in. - Availablility of the shoe. - Longest fearless run in the shoe. I already have the adidas, Rod Laver. I already have the New Balance, CT court 300 canvas. I will buy a pair of Dunbar, Gravis. Thanks for your time. Sincerely, Lon Smith From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jul 10 00:33:56 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6A7XtcH002613 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:33:55 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6A7XtVX002610 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:33:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from seurat.artisan.calpoly.edu (seurat.artisan.calpoly.edu [129.65.60.46]) by gabriel.its.calpoly.edu (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.3-GR) with ESMTP id AFS27876; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by seurat.artisan.calpoly.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_26304)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01739 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:01:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Dat Phan X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:01:37 -0700 Message-Id: Subject: [freestyle] Laver canvas removal guide MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline ;Creation-Date="Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:00:24 -0700" ;Modification-Date="Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:01:37 -0700" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I thought the guide for modifying Lavers on footbag.org was lacking, so I made this: http://www.footbag.org/gallery/showset/canvas Dat Phan Cal Poly Footbag Club From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jul 14 16:58:47 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6ENwlkm004277 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:58:47 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6ENwl4p004275 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:58:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from conversion-daemon.mail01.mscd.edu by mail01.mscd.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) id <0HI100J01GDRH4@mail01.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from metroconnect.mscd.edu (metroconnect.mscd.edu [147.153.1.7]) by mail01.mscd.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with SMTP id <0HI100H4CGNRRC@mail01.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:45:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Bradley M Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] 4 Square takes away from freestyle To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <4864054.1058226327611.JavaMail.kaplanb@mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Recently I was at East Coasts and I noticed A TON of people playing 4 square who would normally have been shredding. At times there were two courts that were constantly loaded with people and NO CIRCLE. Many of them had brand new Lavers (cut) and I never even saw them shred. I think the Shred suffered at the tournament because of the 4 square games. It irked me. I think 4 square should stay over by the nets so that stylers are too lazy to walk over there and play. :) Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jul 14 17:20:45 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6F0Kj2J005537 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:20:45 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6F0Kjw7005535 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:20:45 -0700 Message-Id: <200307150020.h6F0Kjw7005535@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [80.223.110.198] by web40503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:08:12 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jere Vainikka Subject: [freestyle] Konabeach Trilogy To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Hey, Bag Street Boys made a footbag trilogy during our military service here in Finland. It is movie-like edited and contains hard core shred. I've put up a page for more information, visit http://www.footbag.fi/JereV/konabeach/kona.htm to download the movie. Enjoy, Jere Vainikka From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mon Jul 14 23:13:41 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6F6DfH7019901 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:13:41 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6F6DfYZ019899 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:13:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:54:30 -0700 Received: from 63.105.21.223 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 05:54:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.105.21.223] X-Originating-Email: [damocles_schwert@hotmail.com] From: "Andrew McCargar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] 4 Square takes away from freestyle Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 05:54:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2003 05:54:30.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EFC0750:01C34A95] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I think 4 square should stay over by the nets so that stylers are too >lazy to walk over there and play. :) Preaching to the choir baby. On the other hand, how long before they give in and start including 4 square in tournaments? I get a chill just thinking about it. Does anyone remember footbag golf? I'm glad I don't ;-) -Andrew Bradley M Kaplan wrote: >Recently I was at East Coasts and I noticed A TON of people playing 4 >square who would normally have been shredding. At times there were two >courts that were constantly loaded with people and NO CIRCLE. Many of >them had brand new Lavers (cut) and I never even saw them shred. > >I think the Shred suffered at the tournament because of the 4 square >games. It irked me. > >I think 4 square should stay over by the nets so that stylers are too >lazy to walk over there and play. :) > >Later, >Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jul 15 12:57:23 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6FJvNJp022046 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:57:23 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6FJvNhH022044 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:57:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6FJvMJp022040 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:57:22 -0700 Received: from user-38ldt5e.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.244.174] helo=I) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19cVvM-0002wN-00 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:57:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: brat@209.125.90.2 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4864054.1058226327611.JavaMail.kaplanb@mscd.edu> References: <4864054.1058226327611.JavaMail.kaplanb@mscd.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:57:16 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] 4 Square takes away from freestyle Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 5:45 PM -0600 7/14/03, Bradley M Kaplan wrote: >Recently I was at East Coasts and I noticed A TON of people playing 4 >square who would normally have been shredding. That was because I was there and they all wanted a piece of me. None of them beat me. Ever. :-) >I think the Shred suffered at the tournament because of the 4 square >games. It irked me. This coming from the guy who wrote four years ago... At 2:09 PM -0600 5/19/99, KAPLAN BRADLEY M wrote: >Then when the senior member in the group showed up he made the rule >that no one in the circle could tilt. Now I am familiar with the >unwritten rule of no guilting in a BAP circle though he was not. I >also was not there to explain it to him. Anyhow I was absolutely >infuriated to find out that he was not >allowed to continue playing the bag if he tilted. Hmm. Let's see, which way do you want it, Brad? Do you prefer we have two small circles of 4 people each with about 25 onlookers wishing they could play but knowing better than to join and "ruin" the vibe? Or do you prefer all 29 of those people are actively engaged in a fun footbag activity? What I find wonderful about four-square is that it's a great opportunity for new-ish and new players to walk into a game and *play* with some of the best known and top players in the sport. When else (aside from in a mean circle like the one you were upset about in 1999) could some young buck get a chance to play with Kenny Shults and actually have *fun*? Kenny would spank the little kid's patootie in a freestyle circle, but in four-square, well, Kenny's skills aside, at least the kid has a chance! I think four-square footbag is the missing link in promoting and developing the sport with the general population of hacky sack players. For years we've lamented the fact that the learning curve in this game, especially at the current levels of play in competitions, was too steep for the average person, and thus more potential players walked away from the sport than invest the energy to really join the community. I see four-square as a way to mitigate that effect. To give newbies an opportuny to work on their fundamentals while also bonding (the reason most of you can play this sport today as it is) with the other members of the footbag community. Four-square footbag is not the end-all, be all. The goal should be to inspire players to learn one of the *disciplines* of footbag -- either net or freestyle. The way we do *that* is by showing the best players in competition. I don't think we're suffering on that front. Steve From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jul 15 15:25:17 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6FMPHog029208 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:25:17 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6FMPHGm029206 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:25:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from pd5mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.232]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HI300MHI6IUSZ@l-daemon> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml7so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.151]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HI300B286IUJN@l-daemon> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (h24-70-216-57.gv.shawcable.net [24.70.216.57]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HI30011C6ITII@l-daemon> for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:01:42 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:01:50 -0700 From: Allan Haggett Subject: Re: [freestyle] 4 Square takes away from freestyle X-Sender: allan@llic.net To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I agree with what both Brad and Steve said. Brad -- 4 Square is great fun and is an awesome way for every person to get involved in a game. It has been an important development in our culture that does bridge a big gap that desperately needed to be bridged. Steve -- 4 Square has indeed developed a bad habit of "taking over" a tournament so that people that would otherwise be shredding are now playing 4 Square. It has happened at least once during each of the last 4 or 5 tournaments I have been to that I have found myself standing there wanting to freestyle, but *everyone* was playing 4 Square. Allan From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jul 16 14:27:32 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6GLRWn5022274 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:27:32 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6GLRW3M022270 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:27:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:27:32 -0700 Message-Id: <200307162127.h6GLRW3M022270@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: by xmxpita.excite.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 126878AEF7; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:20:22 -0400 (EDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] 4 Square takes away from freestyle Received: from [199.224.85.68] by xprdmailfe2.nwk.excite.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:20:22 EST Reply-To: felix_design@excite.com From: "Jonathan Felix" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Hello Everyone... I usually, just sit back, and read, everything that is written to this ... Post.. I can't resist anymore though. I have to comment. This is the silliest conversation going on ever. The most reasonable posts, have been from Allan and Steve.. The first two posts, were way too much.. One, by Brad.. And, one by ... (Don't know) But, my point is... We all are into this sport of Footbag, for a few very important reasons. At least me anyways.. I am here, for fun, a little exercise, more fun, and cause, I have such a passion for every aspect of this wonderful sport. So, it kinda disappoints me to see, these kinda discussions going on.. Discouraging certain activities in this sport... Four Square... Might not be everyone's Favorite, But is a wonderful way for beginners... To join in, and play with some of the best... For everyone else, it is a way for our legs to relax, a little.. And to have some fun and laughs... I personally prefer freestyle... But, when I am at an event.. I par take in every event.... If my legs are tired... I try something out, which will... Give them some time.. (Four Square/ Golf/ Net).... Whatever it may be... It doesn't matter, I am kicking a footbag... !!!... Brad, if you feel your shred circles... Are Lacking. Try to lure some people, into a circle with you.. Kick by yourself, and practice. Or join Four Square or something else. But, definitely don't discourage people from doing what they want. Or, discourage the sport. If you want, but I say. If some one is kicking a footbag.. We're heading in the right direction. Jonathan Felix From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jul 16 14:27:32 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6GLRWn5022272 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:27:32 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6GLRW3V022268 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:27:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from Thehuff1@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.1e1.d65e948 (4254); Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:18:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Ted Huff Message-ID: <1e1.d65e948.2c46aab8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:18:48 EDT Subject: Re: [freestyle] 4 Square takes away from freestyle To: kaplanb@mscd.edu CC: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) It's too bad that the word lazy is even being brought up. But , there is a lot more to being good in footbag play, and certainly tournaments, than just shredding. 4 square . Maybe it should be made a new addition, to tournaments , if that's what the majority want. Footbag Net, and Footbag Golf are good events for fun and competition, too , and can add new dimensions to any shedders reputation as a "Master" of Footbag. Just like teaching the sport/game is a way to enhance your self. By passing on all your knowledge, experience, and enthusiasm you gain much more each time. Anyway, it's too bad if the sport is limited to a few events , that limit what players can do for fun, and competition. The goal should be to bring more people into the game and sport, not turn anyone away from enjoying themselves, and even being put down for their efforts to join in, and even being disrespected for trying new ( old ) games like footbag foursquare. What would be the point of that attitude ? Elitism ? What is the meaning of the words FREE and Style, if not to promote someone's enjoyment and personal growth ? Sincerely, Ted Huff, co-director Footbag Hall of Fame Historical Society . From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jul 16 14:28:46 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6GLSkn5022329 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:28:46 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6GLSkGt022327 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:28:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from www23.ureach.com (www23.ureach.com [172.16.2.51]) by ureach.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA32696 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:50:54 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www23.ureach.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA12376; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:50:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:50:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200307160250.WAA12376@www23.ureach.com> Received: from [66.167.47.14] by www23.ureach.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 02:50:54 GMT To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Mark George Reply-to: Subject: Re: [freestyle] 4 Square takes away from freestyle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-vsuite-type: e X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Or it may take away from the Net tournament because nobody wants to leave the squares. Then again nobody wanted to leave the circles either. Maybe Net and Freestylers could be brought together on a four square court... Mark George From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jul 16 14:28:48 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6GLSmn5022338 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:28:48 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6GLSmw6022336 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:28:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:26:15 -0700 Received: from 203.62.159.22 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:26:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.62.159.22] X-Originating-Email: [lizard_king207@hotmail.com] From: "Jeremy O'Wheel" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] 4 Square takes away from freestyle Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:26:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2003 07:26:15.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AD62620:01C34B6B] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Look, I think four square is a great game and lots of fun. But if you'd rather shred, do so. You don't have to play if you don't want to. Sure that may mean having to shred by yourself, and that might suck, but I'm sure some other people will also want to shred, especially at a tournament with more than four players. I don't really understand what good complaining about too many people playing four square will do either. Do you propose that we ban four square? Or limit how many people are allowed to play? Even if we could do those things - I can't imagine it helping footbag at all. Jeremy From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jul 18 08:09:11 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6IF9Ae5022305 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:09:10 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6IF9AJs022303 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:09:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from conversion-daemon.mail01.mscd.edu by mail01.mscd.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) id <0HI8002015VM5F@mail01.mscd.edu>; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:36:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from metroconnect.mscd.edu (metroconnect.mscd.edu [147.153.1.7]) by mail01.mscd.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with SMTP id <0HI80012O5X1XV@mail01.mscd.edu>; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:36:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 08:36:37 -0600 (MDT) From: Bradley M Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] 4 Square takes away from freestyle To: Steve Goldberg Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <3467502.1058538997099.JavaMail.kaplanb@mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I had a long e-mail typed out which specifically answered Steve and defined everything that I think should happen in the sport of footbag. Then I clicked the send button and my e-mail session was timed-out and I lost the damn thing ;( In short Steve should play more freestyle to truly bridge the gap. Let's see that frigid-osis that I invented that you had already invented, but I didn't know you had invented when I invented it. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Fri Jul 18 10:35:42 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6IHZgQc028591 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:35:42 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6IHZg4D028589 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:35:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:28:49 -0700 Received: from 65.95.45.223 by by7fd.bay7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:28:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.95.45.223] X-Originating-Email: [superyaxxx@hotmail.com] Reply-To: yax@footbag.org From: "Yacine Merzouk" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Worlds hotel room Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:28:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2003 17:28:49.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C9F0130:01C34D52] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi! One of the members of the Montreal crew can't come to Wrolds and we would like an extra person in our hotel room to lower the costs. We are staying at Hotel Pyramida. We means: -Me (Yacine Merzouk) -My girlfriend -Sebastien Duchesne -Kolo Please let me know if you're interested before July 21(but don't write back to the whole list). -Yacine Merzouk From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jul 22 17:29:43 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6N0Th3T002921 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:29:43 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6N0ThTU002919 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:29:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from x9s5x9 (datelb-1-5-86.dialup.vol.cz [212.20.102.11]) by smtp2.vol.cz (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6LKDKJw039963 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:13:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from moglum@volny.cz) Message-ID: <200307212213190030.00141E36@smtp.volny.cz> In-Reply-To: <3467502.1058538997099.JavaMail.kaplanb@mscd.edu> References: <3467502.1058538997099.JavaMail.kaplanb@mscd.edu> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.01.01 (3) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:13:19 +0200 From: Vojta Polak To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] 4 Square takes away from freestyle Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi there, now this is a funny topic to discuss. Anyway just want to say two things: -there already are 4 square tournaments in Europe. For example a few months ago in Austria, as one of the events of the Footbag Opennig 2003. -it is a great way to learn the basic kicks and have fun at the same time. Plus you don't have to wear small shorts and lavers to be able to play a top-level 4 square game. P.S.: a few days ago during the European championships we even tried mixed doubles 4 square one night. ;)) Vojta Polak moglum@footbag.cz www.footbag.cz From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue Jul 22 17:31:41 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6N0Vf3T003004 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:31:41 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6N0Vfq0003002 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:31:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from conversion-daemon.mail01.mscd.edu by mail01.mscd.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) id <0HIA00F014D3VI@mail01.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from metroconnect.mscd.edu (metroconnect.mscd.edu [147.153.1.7]) by mail01.mscd.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with SMTP id <0HIA0085D4OEU8@mail01.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:05:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Bradley M Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] YO East Coast and The World -- if you're listening To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <968678.1058630702558.JavaMail.kaplanb@mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org For those of you who don't know me, my name is Brad Kaplan. I now reside here in good old New Paltz, NY (Rated amongst the top 10 Funky Towns USA). There are maybe 3 stylers here (I haven't yet met the other two). Anyway, after moving back to my home town, I've found that I have some pretty good connections to help sponsor a tournament. What I'm getting at is that I really want to introduce footbag/freestyle to the kids in this town. My little brothers have been toying with it and I've met some other high school kids who I've been steering to footbag.org and who are starting to practice. I'm trying to get an idea for how many people would show for a tournament here. It would be in October to give everyone a chance to wind down from Worlds and Funtastik. New Paltz is located 90 miles north of NYC, 3+ hours from Philly, 3+ hours from Harrisburg PA, 5+ hours from Montreal, and about 5-6 hours (depending on traffic) from Baltimore/DC. Let me know via Private e-mail. Thanks, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sat Jul 26 12:51:15 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6QJpFEv021582 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:51:15 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6QJpFGn021580 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 12:51:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from conversion-daemon.mail01.mscd.edu by mail01.mscd.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) id <0HIN0060131AH9@mail01.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:08:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from metroconnect.mscd.edu (metroconnect.mscd.edu [147.153.1.7]) by mail01.mscd.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with SMTP id <0HIN006FQ3HR2Z@mail01.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:08:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:08:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Bradley M Kaplan Subject: [freestyle] The Intoxicating Effects of Freestyle To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <6208153.1059235694971.JavaMail.cpadmin@metroconnect.mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Hey all. A few weeks ago, I met a young guy (16) at a music festival. His name is Noah. He had just bought his first sand bag and was trying to learn a few things. I hooked up with him a few times over the weekend and we kicked and talked and I gave him another bag that I had. I found out that he lives only a half hour away so we've kept in touch. I just wanted to forward on this message that he sent today because it thrills me to see him so enthusiastic about freestyle. I hope everyone has good experiences like this with new people. Brad >Knowa Telly wrote: >Brad, >I got the Rod Lavers... they are sweeeeet. > >I can definitely feel myself getting better. I'm pretty consistent with >a clipper delay on my right foot... workin' on the left. The constant >practice has helped my dexterity out a lot... I find I can stall the >bag on a lot more places. The new shoes definitely helped out. > >I'm already feeling the affects of being a "footbagger"... I was kicked >out of Sbarro pizzeria and a small shop here in Woodstock just for toe >stalling. I was also approached by some girls in the mall... I didn't >know I could pick up ladies doing this, but, hey I'm not complaining. >Peace, >Noah From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jul 30 01:24:11 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6U8OB0m009849 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:24:11 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6U8OBlm009847 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:24:11 -0700 Message-Id: <200307300824.h6U8OBlm009847@llic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from [64.12.96.44] by web10707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:00:09 PDT Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:00:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Fournier Subject: [freestyle] Where are they now? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1465176399-1059548409=:35362" X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --0-1465176399-1059548409=:35362 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Their whereabouts of these people have become unknown to me... so I ask WHERE ARE THEY NOW? : -Scot Pipken (UCLA) -Marc "Fox" Phillips (USC) -Tom Wheeler -Nate Maertens (Aka: "Dr. Ridiculous") -Malcolm Gult (818 area code) -Lila (818) female -Josh Childs -Tony Glick - Matt Avery (stinkykiwi @ aol.com) -James Risden -Mu (Tall African-American from Chicago) -Shesha Marvin (714) -Mike Daley (714) -Craig (714) -Carlos (714) -Chris (714) female -Risa (714) female -Tom Wheeler (626) -Nate Maertens (626) -PCC hack girls, forgot both names but they were good -Carl (Venice Beach) -Batman (3rd street Promenade) -Mike homeless man, chipped front tooth, always giggling (3rd Street Promenade) -Nick Pinto (323) -Teva Ben -"Two Shoes" -Spider Killick -Aaron Deglanville -That tall guy with the vans who took first in intermediate So Cal '98 and had a last name longer than big add chad's -That guy from Pasadena at So Cal '00 who worked at Workmen's Outlet hip hop shop -Sean Wingert -Jeff 15 year old kid from "Live in the Pit" (Carson, CA ) -Paul Mestas -Josh Casey -Josh Penney -Roy Newman -Jesse Shriber -Aaron Omatsu -Delvon -Rusan Jong -Itay Kahaner -Dave Hillis -Ryan Sanders -Mark DePhillipo -his young friend with the light blue lavers -J-boy Gran -Jesse James -Reuben Cohn (Grass Valley - Hit blurry whirl in '00 Western Intermediate routine, I was -like "Dang!") -That guy I met at Steve Goldberg's house who could zoom set off of anything, and slept think his name was Ian McKecknie?? -That kid from Montreal at the CSS II who was guiltless and could shuffle -Erik Engleberg - i left my shoes at your brothers house when u came to so cal -That guy we met recently at Venice Beach named Mike H----? from Portland, Oregon who came into the circle and hit a smear first try -Mike Jauss - just kidding mike (congratulations!) -Those guys I saw stalling a hacky sack in a circle next to the coin operated lockers at Magic Mountain in Valencia, CA. on my 10th birthday (Nov. 4, 1992) *****WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE NOW? ANY INFORMATION WOULD BE APPRECIATED RESPOND PRIVATELY IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING**** alright then, later ~Bryan Fournier 10085 Tujunga Cyn Blvd. Apt # 8 Tujunga, CA. 91042 (818) 352-1282 ---> call anytime From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jul 30 01:33:56 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6U8Xu0m010016 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:33:56 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6U8XumY010014 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:33:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:49:55 -0700 Received: from 142.173.203.161 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:49:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.173.203.161] X-Originating-Email: [shredzero@hotmail.com] From: "Rob Fuller" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Big Th3ory (Big 3 Theory...get it?) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:49:54 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2003 07:49:55.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A773580:01C3566F] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just talking with some people about the Big 3s that went down at Euros. I got to thinking that Big 3 is judged too much on adds and not enough on the theory of the combo in question. For those who don't know: 1st-Vasek: http://www.footbagfreestyle.de/videos/events/em2003/vasek_montage_whirlwind_spnpdxblender.mpeg Montage>Whirlwind>Spinning P Blender A very sick combo indeed. That's a 7>6>6 which is high on difficulty as I'm sure everyone is aware of. But, it's all one side whirling moves. Before anyone says "But he CAN do those moves both sides" I'll tell you now. It doesn't matter! One sided whirls, and one sided spins in this big 3. It's difficult, but there isn't much theory behind it. Big moves = win right? 2nd-Ales: http://www.footbagfreestyle.de/videos/events/em2003/ales_blurrywhirl_bfswirl_pswhirlingswirl.mpeg Blurry Whirl>Infinity Swirl>PS Whirling Swirl A 5>4>6. Not too shabby. Blurry Whirl to an Infinity Swirl, that is controlled enough to do a PS Whirling Swirl (!!!) out of. The theory is solid in my opinion. Every move switches sides, equal number of dexterities on each side. It's extremely original and rare. How often do we see PS Whirling Swirl? Especially out of Infinity Swirl! Ales' combo seems far superior in my mind, because of the details presented above. Anyone feel the same way? I'd also like to point out that Ales does 3 types of dexterities (Swirl, Whirl and Vanilla) while Vasek only does Whirl types. Disclaimer: I'm sure both parties are cool with the outcome. I just wanted to let people know that I think the basis on which Big 3 is usually judged is very flawed. I'd like to see more theory put into combos in the future. Thanks for taking the time to read all this. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jul 30 16:48:54 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6UNmr6F010849 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:48:53 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6UNmrvU010847 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:48:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: by bkb02-ims-01.ikon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:35:05 -0400 Message-ID: <1FC5532D6B96D411874200D0B782DA880915E1BA@phl01-msx-04.ikon.org> From: "Riefer, Robert" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Where are they now? Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:34:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Impressive list (indeed, where has Josh Penney gone?).. I hope you don't mind that I add two more that I've been wondering about: Tony Carter-Piff (and his buddy Daryl I believe...) Tom Moore Thanks! Bob Riefer www.philly-footworks.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Bryan Fournier [mailto:cali4nier_bap02@yahoo.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:00 AM >To: freestyle@footbag.org >Subject: [freestyle] Where are they now? > > >Their whereabouts of these people have become unknown to me... >so I ask WHERE ARE THEY NOW? : > > >-Scot Pipken (UCLA) >-Marc "Fox" Phillips (USC) >-Tom Wheeler From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jul 30 16:54:01 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6UNs16F011117 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:54:01 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6UNs1Rj011115 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:54:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from conversion-daemon.mail01.mscd.edu by mail01.mscd.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) id <0HIU00701SB71P@mail01.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from metroconnect.mscd.edu (metroconnect.mscd.edu [147.153.1.7]) by mail01.mscd.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with SMTP id <0HIU009EXSSIBJ@mail01.mscd.edu>; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:57:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:57:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Bradley M Kaplan Subject: Re: [freestyle] Big Th3ory (Big 3 Theory...get it?) To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: <736910.1059595072817.JavaMail.kaplanb@mscd.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Good points Rob. I agree that Adds shouldn't necessarily be the deciding factor. However, those are still tough tricks to judge. They may be one sided, but they are all individually difficult and difficult to link. Not to take anything away from Vasek, because I think the judges ruled in his favor and he deserves to win. Personally I would have judged Ales in 1st same as you. However, in the heat of the moment and based on the difficulty I can still see why the judges would place Vasek in first. Having said that, I have been a judge on several occasions and I have to say that you can't really scrutinize it if you weren't there and you weren't a judge. Too much comes into play. There is also a serious subjective side to the BIG 3, the crowd plays a huge factor, and the knowledge of the judges and their skill level play a big factor. I think your post is full of sound advice for people who judge in the future. Later, Brad From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jul 30 16:56:19 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6UNuJ6F011319 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:56:19 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6UNuJCE011317 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:56:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:44:31 -0700 Received: from 24.59.94.7 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:44:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.59.94.7] X-Originating-Email: [shreddaily@hotmail.com] From: "Nate Linscott" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Big Th3ory (Big 3 Theory...get it?) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:44:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2003 21:44:31.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[C216E0B0:01C356E3] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I think two other things should be taken in to account as well 1. how many tries it takes to hit the move. 2. what other combos are hit. I don't think either of these are official parts big 3 rules but seeing how big three is subjective they are, and should be, taken into consideration. Nate From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jul 30 16:57:29 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6UNvT6F011433 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:57:29 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6UNvTHs011431 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:57:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from FuegoShredder@cs.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id i.a.33c9ec4e (15900); Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.com (mow-m06.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.134]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v95.1) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-3e1c3f281a51125; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:19:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:19:45 -0400 From: Andrew Coleman To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Big Th3ory (Big 3 Theory...get it?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4C0FAEAC.0569C45D.9905EA07@cs.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 152.163.252.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I agree that Ales combo was a little more creative and probably a little cooler to watch, but Big 3 is about difficulty, creativity and artistic-ness are for routines. If you match up the tricks, Vaseks combo was way more difficult. Ales had to have a very precise placement for each of those tricks, however Vasek had enough precision to spin out of each trick and still have perfect placement. Im not the most qualified person to provide an accurate analysis, both combos were extremely insane, but i think Vasek deserved the win. Also is both sided-ness a qualification for competition, should you get a higher score for doing things both sides apart from uniques in shred 30. In other sports people do things on one side, like throwing a baseball or shooting a bow and arrow. Andrew Coleman [MODERATOR NOTE: Please sign your names at the bottom of your posts -- especially if you're on AOL or CS -- thanks] "Rob Fuller" wrote: >Just talking with some people about the Big 3s that went down at Euros. I >got to thinking that Big 3 is judged too much on adds and not enough on the >theory of the combo in question. > From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jul 30 18:22:43 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6V1MgTM015051 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:22:42 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6V1MgLG015049 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:22:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: by mail.infometrics.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:16:19 +1200 Message-ID: From: Floyd Morgan To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Big Th3ory (Big 3 Theory...get it?) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:16:18 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Nate, I disagree with your comments as sick-3 is all about big tricks. I think your suggestions would detract from this as follows... >1. how many tries it takes to hit the move. This would decrease the level of moves we see hit as people would want to hit their combo first time, thus trying a easier combo. >2. what other combos are hit. It's sick-3 not, 10 average-3's. The 2-min routines and 30-sec shred judge consistency this is about sick tricks. Just my opinion, Floyd -----Original Message----- From: Nate Linscott [mailto:shreddaily@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2003 9:45 a.m. To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Big Th3ory (Big 3 Theory...get it?) Hey, I think two other things should be taken in to account as well 1. how many tries it takes to hit the move. 2. what other combos are hit. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wed Jul 30 18:37:15 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6V1bETM015697 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:37:15 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6V1bEWw015695 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 18:37:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: by mail.infometrics.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:22:45 +1200 Message-ID: From: Floyd Morgan To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Big Th3ory (Big 3 Theory...get it?) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:22:44 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, I agree to a certain extent and personally get sick of the blurry whirl >PS whirl > Spinning P. Whirl (or similar) combos that are always present in sick 3 solely because competitors want to rack up adds (as well as impress the hell out of everyone). Big props to Ales for being creative and original, and I agree the first and last tricks were huge - however I agree Vasek should have won. Reason being I don't think infinity swirl is big enough for a sick-3 combo at this level and doesn't require a *huge* amount of precision in the set as people are claiming. Floyd -----Original Message----- From: Bradley M Kaplan [mailto:kaplanb@mscd.edu] Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2003 7:58 a.m. To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Big Th3ory (Big 3 Theory...get it?) Good points Rob. I agree that Adds shouldn't necessarily be the deciding factor. However, those are still tough tricks to judge. From owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thu Jul 31 13:42:39 2003 Received: from llic.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) with ESMTP id h6VKgdc7026349 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:42:39 -0700 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by llic.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4) id h6VKgdiW026347 for freestyle-outgoing@list.footbag.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:42:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: llic.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle@footbag.org using -f Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 06:39:27 -0700 Received: from 216.27.144.67 by by2fd.bay2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:39:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.27.144.67] X-Originating-Email: [ghost2345@hotmail.com] From: "Stan Sagalovskiy" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Big Th3ory (Big 3 Theory...get it?) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:39:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2003 13:39:27.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[299159C0:01C35769] X-Scanned-By: Spam Scanner (MIMEDefang 2.21, footbag edition) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, >last tricks were huge - however I agree Vasek should have won. Reason being >I don't think infinity swirl is big enough for a sick-3 combo at this level In Todexon 2002, Vasek beat Ryan with a Gyro Barroque > Osis > Scorpion's Tail (6>3>5). Not to say that that's not a sick combo (because it is [backspin out of osis is cool]), but that was more of a Sick 1. And just because we all know Ryan can hit Blurry Whirl > PS Whirl > Whirlwind (5>5>6) like butter, should we expect more of him? This is why the clap-o-meter idea doesn't work. Because we all know the relative strengths and weaknesses of the competitors. When Ryan hits some combo and it looks so easy, and some of us have even seen that combo thrown in the middle of a run, we don't think much of it. We're thinking, "we KNOW you can hit *that*!" But by the same reasoning, we also know that Vasek can hit Ducking Whirlwind and Spinning Ducking Paradox Blender, and Ales can hit Superfly anywhere, and Sunil can hit Genesis, and all you guys with your trite, unoriginal moves.. Let's see something fresh! -stan