From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 1 08:52:17 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA00692 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 08:51:52 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA00688 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 08:51:50 GMT Received: from cen00989@centuryinter.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (685) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA00683 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 08:51:48 GMT Received: from host.pc.centuryinter.net (host.pc.centuryinter.net [206.65.177.250]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA28783 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 00:51:42 -0800 Received: from anxp12.gr.centuryinter.net by host.pc.centuryinter.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AA24427; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 03:51:28 -0500 Message-Id: <32CA4F3A.173F@centuryinter.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 03:49:15 -0800 From: Medical Library Organization: McLaren Regional Medical Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] x-mas jam. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone! X-mas Jam 96 was very COOL! We had 11 states represented which included 5 BAP members. We raised $143.00 for the American Heart association. (you may no think that is much but its harder than you think) We also recieved a spot on the news. Andy missed his record by 13 kicks. 1006. Great try Andy!!! Enlightner and Genzu were the shredder extroidinaire's, with Hu, Smoothy and Kozmo respectfully holding their own. There were to many blistering combo's hit by all to count. Witht the exception of the Chizzler(Due to his conspicios absence) the mich boys did well. I have lots of name dropping to do and will soon. Hu-Mungis ps. I cannot recieve mail here try HuMungis@kode.net I am also haveing problems with my monitor so it may take a few days:( From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 1 23:25:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA00469 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 23:25:20 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA00465 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 23:25:18 GMT Received: from humungis@kode.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (462) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA00460 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 23:25:17 GMT Received: from bsd1.kode.net (bsd1.kode.net [206.42.219.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA32630 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 15:24:26 -0800 Received: from kodenet.kode.net (ppp-55.kode.net [206.42.219.74]) by bsd1.kode.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA20885 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 18:34:11 -0800 Message-ID: <32CAF1AF.D9C@Kode.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 18:22:23 -0500 From: Paul Munger X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] As promised. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello. As i promised the rest of the scoop on x-mas jam. 11 states were represented: mich, ill, oh, nebraska, minn, ia, missouri, nj,penn, ny, co, and ireland. Instead of a pro event we had a few small contests for the up and comers. most mirrages: 30 by Ethan kline, from penn. most whirls : 4 by Ethan most atw : 29 by alex naro, from penn. most Rainbow clippers : 40 by Sean wingert from nebraska. They each recieved an addidas 32 panel footbag for their efforts. Way to go Fellas!!! Keep up the great work!! I will say that all of the people that came in, all had showed great improvments from the last time I had seen them. I would like to add that Joe Marshall is one shreddin dude!! He's now joined the ranks of the guiltless! Great job Joe!! Hes bustin phat moves like barfly, blur and blurywhirl. He'll be one to watch at worlds this year. The plan is to try and have this years X-Mass Jam in Las vegas! What do you guys think of that? I think that it would make the Jam more accessable to all kickers because of the low plane fares to and from there. I will be doing some research into this idea so if anyone out there has some info that they can pass by me PLEASE DO! Thats it from the Great (but not so white) north. Hu-Mungis From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 1 23:26:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA00486 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 23:26:01 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA00482 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 23:26:00 GMT Received: from humungis@kode.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (479) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA00477 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 23:26:00 GMT Received: from bsd1.kode.net (bsd1.kode.net [206.42.219.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA32675 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 15:25:51 -0800 Received: from kodenet.kode.net (ppp-55.kode.net [206.42.219.74]) by bsd1.kode.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA20909 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 18:35:43 -0800 Message-ID: <32CAF20B.547F@Kode.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 18:23:55 -0500 From: Paul Munger X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Hu-Mungis bags Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have a few more footbags for the people that missed them at the jam. E-mail me for more info. Hu-Mungis From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 3 17:15:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00879 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:15:19 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00875 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:15:17 GMT Received: from ukickit@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (872) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00870 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:15:15 GMT Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA11745 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:14:29 -0800 Received: from (ukickit@por-or12-06.ix.netcom.com [204.31.113.198]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA20382 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:14:19 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:14:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199701031714.JAA20382@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: ukickit@ix.netcom.com (Ken Shults) Subject: [freestyle] Heart of Freestyle Tourney Reg Form To: freestyle@footbag.org.The.3rd.Annual.Heart.of.Footbag.Freestyle.Tournament Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Presented by Sole Purpose Footbag Club of Portland & the Health Education Club of Portland State University All proceeds to benefit the American Heart Association February 15-16, 1997 Portland State University, Main Gym REGISTRATION INFORMATION: Professional Prize $ Category Intermediate/Beginner Pre-registration: $40.00 $20 Day of event $45.00 $25 Entry fee is non-refundable. To pre-register, entries must be post-marked by Monday, February 3, 1997. Mail registration form along with a tax deductible check made payable to: American Heart Association 1425 N.E. Irving, #100, Portland, OR 97232-4201 Entry Fee Includes: player pack w/T-shirt and cool stuff, judging clinics for add counting and composition category judging, and freestyle workshops for all levels. Participants are encouraged to collect pledges for the American Heart Association. Prizes will be awarded to those who gather pledges. Prize levels vary with amount raised. Prizes are not cumulative. For more information call Sole Purpose Footbag Club at (503) 236-0939 İİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİ NAME_________________________________________________ ADDRESS______________________________________________ CITY_________________________STATE_________ ZIP CODE_____________ Telephone____________________________ Age____________ WFA No. ___________ PLEASE CIRCLE WHICH CATEGORY YOU ARE ENTERING AND YOUR PARTNERS NAME. NOTE IF YOU NEED A PARTNER. OPEN FREESTYLE Singles _____ Doubles Partner ________________________ WOMEN'S FREESTYLE Singles ______ Doubles Partner ________________________ MIXED DOUBLES FREESTYLE Partner _____________ INTERMEDIATE FREESTYLE (Singles time limit one and a half minutes) Singles Doubles Partner _________________________ BEGINNER FREEESTYLE (Time limit one minute) From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 3 17:35:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00952 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:35:14 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00948 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:35:13 GMT Received: from ukickit@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (945) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00943 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:35:12 GMT Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA11849 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:34:31 -0800 Received: from (ukickit@por-or12-06.ix.netcom.com [204.31.113.198]) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA18359 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:34:21 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:34:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199701031734.JAA18359@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> From: ukickit@ix.netcom.com (Ken Shults) Subject: [freestyle] More Heart of Freestyle Stuff To: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Stylers, This Lady Tournament Director expects all stylers to come out of their winter caves for the 3rd Annual Heart of Footbag Freestyle Tournament. Prize money for Open and Women's Singles and Doubles Freestyle is $1500. You can save 5 bucks by registering early. Many sponsors have donated really cool products. The top gatherer of pledges in the form of checks to the American Heart Association will receive first choice of the product pile. Portland State University's main gym is pristine and a great place for a top notch event. I am sure Kenny will drag out his special shin saving kicking surface. We have had good television coverage of this event every year and with Worlds around the corner we are using every opportunity to shout about the sport of footbag. The skoolhouse should be big enough for all of the out of town competitors but please call me to confirm mattress space. We are also working on feeding competitors - as usual. Like last year there will be two nets set up but this year will be charging a minimum of $5.00 for non-competitors to use those nets. Please let me know if you need to receive a registration form and pledge sheet or if you have any questions or comments. Kendall KIC Tournament Director (503) 236-0939 FAX (503) 236-1981 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 6 23:10:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03092 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:10:18 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03088 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:10:17 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3085) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03083 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:10:16 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14866 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:09:39 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA19249 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 17:09:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [freestyle] Paradox (No!) From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 17:10:16 +0000 Message-Id: <000000095212935415416@mlerf.org> Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.1.1 To: freestyle@footbag.org (Freestyle Listserve) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm working on the rulebook right now, and I'm not gonna finish it until = this stupid debate is resolved. The definition for Paradox will be what we = sort of agreed on earlier (X-body set, same leg does mirage, final contact = is either switch-foot or on same side as set). The Body definition will = simply state, "... and all moves that fit the Paradox definition, because = of the double hip rotation element involved." The reasoning is that, even though paradox is considered body because of = the double-torso rotation element, defining the move by it's body = components is too vague and would leave the allowance of paradox to be as = subjective as categories in the presentation card. Therefore, we use = specific, easily-identifiable constraints to classify paradox. (I still think its stoopid, but I'd rather do this than nothing) Derrick Fogle Computer Support Services Missouri Lions Eye Research Foundation 104 Portland, Columbia, MO 65201 VOX: 573-443-1471 FAX: 573-443-1657 dfogle@mlerf.org From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 7 04:10:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA00510 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 04:09:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA00505 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 04:09:51 GMT From: mstrong@ix.netcom.com Received: from mstrong@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (502) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA00500 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 04:09:45 GMT Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA16993 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:08:56 -0800 Received: from smtp.netcruiser (dal-tx10-33.ix.netcom.com [207.94.124.97]) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA01116 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:08:48 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:08:48 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-Id: <19971622936241@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox (No!) X-Mailer: NETCOMplete v3.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On 01/06/97 17:10:16 you wrote: > >I'm working on the rulebook right now, and I'm not gonna finish it until = >this stupid debate is resolved. The definition for Paradox will be what we = >sort of agreed on earlier (X-body set, same leg does mirage, final contact = >is either switch-foot or on same side as set). The Body definition will = >simply state, "... and all moves that fit the Paradox definition, because = >of the double hip rotation element involved." > >The reasoning is that, even though paradox is considered body because of = >the double-torso rotation element, defining the move by it's body = >components is too vague and would leave the allowance of paradox to be as = >subjective as categories in the presentation card. Therefore, we use = >specific, easily-identifiable constraints to classify paradox. > >(I still think its stoopid, but I'd rather do this than nothing) > >Derrick Fogle >Computer Support Services >Missouri Lions Eye Research Foundation >104 Portland, Columbia, MO 65201 >VOX: 573-443-1471 FAX: 573-443-1657 >dfogle@mlerf.org > > I am just a novice, and have hit a paradox mirage only once, so I know that I don't have a complete handle on the "feel" of a paradox move. I understand how a blur is suppose to look (from seeing it on the TOTT video) and every description of the move has it starting from a clipper set. Why wouldn't the move be paradox if it was set from a toe set (left toe set->same leg inside out dex->opposite leg inside out dex->opposite leg toe stall or left toe set- >opposite leg inside out dex->opposite leg inside out dex->opposite leg toe stall)? I can't actually do any of these moves, but it seems like the "double hip rotation element" would be present in the blur set from either clipper stall or toe stall. -Matt p.s. I hope this doesn't start another crazy paradox debate. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 9 03:02:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA07305 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 03:02:13 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA07301 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 03:02:11 GMT Received: from ukickit@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (7298) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA07296 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 03:02:10 GMT Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA32621 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:02:09 -0800 Received: from (ukickit@por-or6-14.ix.netcom.com [199.35.206.206]) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA08191 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:01:37 -0800 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:01:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199701090301.TAA08191@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: ukickit@ix.netcom.com (Ken Shults) Subject: [freestyle] Heart of Freestyle Tourney To: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Attention Stylers: I recently purchased a round trip ticket from Portland to SFO on United for 61 bucks so if you are thinking about flying up for a fun weekend Feb. 15-16 call Oaks Travel or your travel agent now. Kendall KIC Tournament Director From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 9 15:05:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA08845 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:05:02 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA08839 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:05:00 GMT Received: from ratcliff@advtel.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8836) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA08834 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:05:00 GMT Received: from aopen.advtel.net (ns1.eatel.net [207.101.8.253]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA03143 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 07:04:33 -0800 Received: from p166 (max2-58.eatel.net [207.101.8.107]) by aopen.advtel.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA18607 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:11:28 -0600 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970109150553.00679900@mail.advtel.net> X-Sender: ratcliff@mail.advtel.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 09:05:53 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Wes Ratcliff Subject: [freestyle] The new Hackman is out! Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, the new Hackman is out. If you don't have the address, it is : http://aopen.advtel.net/~ratcliff/ Hackman is a little guy who shows you how to do freestyle moves step by step with text and graphics. So go check it out! Wes From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Jan 11 14:58:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA04555 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 14:58:06 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA04551 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 14:58:04 GMT Received: from swingert@creighton.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4548) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA04546 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 14:58:03 GMT Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.15]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA19874 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 06:57:16 -0800 Received: from p1-120.top.net by mailjay.creighton.edu with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA17592; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 08:57:04 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970111084613.0067921c@bluejay.creighton.edu> X-Sender: swingert@bluejay.creighton.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 beta 4 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 08:46:20 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Sean Wingert Subject: [freestyle] 5-Add Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was wondering if anyone out there has tried this: 1. Start from clipper stall. 2. Do a RipWalk, but instead of ending in a butterfly stall, end in a butterfly swirl stall. 3. (dex, dex, dex, cross-body, delay) = 5 Adds (I think). If so, is there a namesake? - Sean From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 12 01:51:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA06626 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 01:50:51 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA06622 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 01:50:49 GMT Received: from humungis@kode.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6619) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA06617 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 1997 01:50:49 GMT Received: from bsd1.kode.net (bsd1.kode.net [206.42.219.3]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22715 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 17:50:06 -0800 Received: from kodenet.kode.net (ppp-11.kode.net [206.42.219.30]) by bsd1.kode.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA13735 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 1997 21:00:29 -0800 Message-ID: <32D842B5.18F9@Kode.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 20:47:33 -0500 From: Paul Munger X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Program Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone! I have run across a cool program that is similar to irc. But this thing is very cool. When you get online you will automatically see if anyone on your list is connected. You then can page them and chat. You can have as many people chatting as you want. You can also leave messages for people who are not on-line yet. There are ALOT of other things that can be done with this program that I don't know about. I just got it a few days ago. I think that everyone should get it and use it. It would be great to beable to chat with anyone at anytime when there on line. Of course footbag freestyle is the topic, and the name of the most AWESOME sport game ever. The program is free. It's currently a beta version. It runs in the background and doesn't take much in the realms of memory or resources from you computer. Get this cool ass program at: www.mirabilis.com It's about 2 megs Once you get it. search for people and add them to your list. You can put in e-mail addresses or nicknames. Hu-Mungis came right up on my search. WAY COOL. (I think anyway) Look forward to talking with you guys on this this soon. Later Hu-Mungis From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Jan 13 21:37:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03185 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:37:23 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03181 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:37:22 GMT Received: from scrouse@fox.nstn.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3178) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA03176 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:37:21 GMT Received: from Fox.nstn.ca (fox.nstn.ca [137.186.128.12]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02349 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 13:36:55 -0800 Received: from default (ts2-06.lwn.iSTAR.ca [137.186.23.138]) by Fox.nstn.ca (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA22109 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 17:36:46 -0400 (AST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970114092340.00670360@fox.nstn.ca> X-Sender: scrouse@fox.nstn.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 05:23:40 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Asmodeus Subject: [freestyle] New Footbagger Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi. I just started Hacking a couple of weeks ago and was wondering if anyone could describe any simple "tricks" I could learn? I also have a question, some of my friends that I hack with will bat the hacky-sack with their hand if they don't think that they can get it with their foot. Whenever I try and convince them that they should instead at least make an effort to get it with their foot they think I'm being stupid. Can you come up with a convincing argument against doing this? (You don't have to convince me, I already would never use my hand). Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 14 00:17:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04125 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:17:34 GMT Message-Id: <199701140017.AAA04125@eniac.yak.net.taz> From: Mike Niday To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] 5-Add Question Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:34:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Comment: Redirected from 'footbag' list by brat@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Sean! :-) Yeah, I'm hittin' Ripwalk Swirl ( I think that's what you're talking about... ) You should see Josh Casey - he hits it like it's nothin' ! Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com ---------- From: Sean Wingert Sent: Saturday, January 11, 1997 2:46 PM To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] 5-Add Question I was wondering if anyone out there has tried this: 1. Start from clipper stall. 2. Do a RipWalk, but instead of ending in a butterfly stall, end in a butterfly swirl stall. 3. (dex, dex, dex, cross-body, delay) = 5 Adds (I think). If so, is there a namesake? - Sean From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 14 02:25:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA04665 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 02:25:09 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA04661 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 02:25:07 GMT From: pyroclad@geocities.com Received: from pyroclad@geocities.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4658) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA04656 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 02:25:06 GMT Received: from geocities.com (mail2.geocities.com [204.7.246.132]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01690 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 18:24:10 -0800 Received: from ind-0010-16.iquest.net (ind-0010-16.iquest.net [206.246.171.144]) by geocities.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA14978 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 18:23:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 18:23:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701140223.SAA14978@geocities.com> X-Sender: pyroclad@mail.geocities.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > >Hey, the new Hackman is out. If you don't have the address, it is : >http://aopen.advtel.net/~ratcliff/ >Hackman is a little guy who shows you how to do freestyle moves step by step >with text and graphics. So go check it out! > > Wes Hey, that page is really cool...think it'll really help a beginner/intermediate like me conquer some cool moves. Really appreciate the page... Pyroclad pyroclad@geocities.com www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/3272/ From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 14 04:56:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA00405 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 04:55:38 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA00401 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 04:55:36 GMT Received: from ariel@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (398) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA00396 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 04:55:36 GMT Received: from piglet.cc.utexas.edu (piglet.cc.utexas.edu [128.83.42.61]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02529 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:54:31 -0800 Received: from localhost (ariel@localhost) by piglet.cc.utexas.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3/piglet.mc-1.4) with SMTP id WAA19713 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 22:54:28 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 22:54:28 -0600 (CST) From: Ariel Santesteban X-Sender: ariel@piglet.cc.utexas.edu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] What is a Ripstein? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In the new Footbag World, Rippin Rick is asked about tricks that he invented. He mentions Ripwalk and Ripstein. I have never heard of a Ripstein--what is it? And is it pronounced Rip-STEEN or Rip-STINE? ariel ariel@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 14 05:05:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA00431 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 05:05:08 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA00427 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 05:05:08 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (424) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA00422 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 05:05:07 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02595 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:04:34 -0800 Received: from [204.188.8.42] (dialup3.Market.NET [204.188.8.42]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA01072 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 20:57:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 21:04:51 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: Re: [freestyle] What is a Ripstein? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 8:54 PM -0800 1/13/97, Ariel Santesteban wrote: >In the new Footbag World, Rippin Rick is asked about tricks that he >invented. He mentions Ripwalk and Ripstein. I have never heard of a >Ripstein--what is it? Ripstein (pronounced Rip-STINE, to rhyme with FrankenSTEIN) is a double-swirl. In other words, the swirling leg goes around the bag twice before stalling it, all in the cross-body position on the same side of the body. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 14 08:33:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA01074 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:33:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA01070 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:33:34 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1067) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA01065 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:33:33 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03448 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:32:31 -0800 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA18114; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:32:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:32:26 -0800 (PST) From: Juliet Pendray Reply-To: Juliet Pendray Subject: [freestyle] No hands & No "sorry"s To: scrouse@fox.nstn.ca cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <199701132350.XAA03834@eniac.yak.net.taz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Greetings Steve! > I just started Hacking a couple of weeks ago and was wondering if anyone > could describe any simple "tricks" I could learn? I also have a question, > some of my friends that I hack with will bat the hacky-sack with their hand > if they don't think that they can get it with their foot. Whenever I try and > convince them that they should instead at least make an effort to get it > with their foot they think I'm being stupid. Can you come up with a > convincing argument against doing this? (You don't have to convince me, I > already would never use my hand). It's annoying to kick in a circle with people who use their hands! My main argument is that when you get used to using your hands to bat back stuff you (think you) can't kick, your feet and legs *never* learn how to hit it. If you don't use your hands, you get better at kicking, and soon find that there is virtually no footbag trajectory that you CAN'T hit. Especially one that's close enough that you can reach in with your hand. Not going for those ones with your feet - at least trying for it - is just lame, and beyond that, *bo-ring* ! jooooliet From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 14 19:31:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA03524 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:31:38 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA03520 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:31:36 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3517) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA03515 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 19:31:35 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06718 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:31:08 -0800 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id LAA00877; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id LAA09507; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:31:00 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:30:59 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand To: "Steven L. Goldberg" cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] What is a Ripstein? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Ripstein (pronounced Rip-STINE, to rhyme with FrankenSTEIN) is a > double-swirl. In other words, the swirling leg goes around the bag twice > before stalling it, all in the cross-body position on the same side of the > body. > > Steve Holy Jesus! I can't even get a SINGLE swirl yet!! How does one do that? ******************************************************************************* Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow ******************************************************************************* From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 14 20:07:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03755 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:07:28 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03749 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:07:22 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3745) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA03743 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:07:16 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06933 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:06:18 -0800 Received: from [17.255.9.137] (microbrat.research.apple.com [17.255.9.137]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA06289 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:59:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:09:16 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: Re: [freestyle] What is a Ripstein? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Hillebrand wrote: >I can't even get a SINGLE swirl yet!! How does one do that? Very carefully. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jan 14 23:03:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA04662 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:03:20 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA04658 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:03:18 GMT Received: from ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4655) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA04653 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:03:17 GMT Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08031 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:02:31 -0800 Received: from coinc0 (coinc0 [198.209.253.6]) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA18731; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:45:42 -0600 (CST) Received: by coinc0 (SMI-8.6) id PAA20356; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:45:41 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 15:45:40 -0600 (CST) From: Ida Bettis Fogle X-Sender: ifogle@coinc0 To: Asmodeus cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Footbagger In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970114092340.00670360@fox.nstn.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Asmodeus wrote: > Hi. > > I just started Hacking a couple of weeks ago and was wondering if anyone > could describe any simple "tricks" I could learn? I also have a question, > some of my friends that I hack with will bat the hacky-sack with their hand > if they don't think that they can get it with their foot. Whenever I try and > convince them that they should instead at least make an effort to get it > with their foot they think I'm being stupid. Can you come up with a > convincing argument against doing this? (You don't have to convince me, I > already would never use my hand). > > Steve > > In addition to Juliet's advice, you might tell your friends that , in the interest of self-preservation, they probably want to avoid putting their hands out for the bag because someone else in the circle may decide to go for it with a kick - hand meets foot. Ouch! I've seen it happen! Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 04:17:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA05992 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 04:17:09 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA05988 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 04:17:07 GMT Received: from scrouse@fox.nstn.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5985) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA05983 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 04:17:05 GMT Received: from Fox.nstn.ca (fox.nstn.ca [137.186.128.12]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10197 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:16:40 -0800 Received: from default (ts2-11.lwn.iSTAR.ca [137.186.23.143]) by Fox.nstn.ca (8.8.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA13990 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 00:16:27 -0400 (AST) Message-ID: <32DCFFD9.18A3@fox.nstn.ca> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:03:37 -0400 From: Asmodeus Reply-To: scrouse@fox.nstn.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Thanks for all the replys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Thanks for all the replys. I'll make my own replys to all of them in this one message to save bandwidth. I've started hacking with mostly one other person, the only other person at school who is as obsessed as me. We work mostly on control and when I hack in a circle now ,although it is still annoying when someone grabs it, I take it as more of an opertunity to showboat in front of the people who don't take the time to practice as much, than a time to get better, but that's important to. I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. I go to school in an extremely small town at a small college. I am 18 and have been hacking seriously only since Christmas break ended, Jan 6. I can do a flying clipper fairly consistantly and every once in a while, if the hack is in a good postion, I can get off a flying butterfly. But those are basically the only tricks I know :( I use deck shoes when I hack and they seem to work pretty well. I have a few more questions. I try and use both feet as equally as possible, but still find myself using my right leg alot more than my left. Do most people always do the majority of their kicks with the same foot? I guess I was wrong, I can only think of 1 question right now. Thanks again for all your replys and I hope I answered all the questions asked of me in them. Steve (hacker wannabe) From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 04:59:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA06060 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 04:59:05 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA06056 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 04:59:04 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6053) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA06051 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 04:59:04 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10338 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 20:58:41 -0800 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id X|K24395; Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:57:23 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 23:23:03 PST Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Footbagger Message-ID: <19970114.235505.3894.1.dervish@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1,3,5,7,9-10,12-14,16-17,19-22,24-26 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >> I just started Hacking a couple of weeks ago and was wondering if anyone >> could describe any simple "tricks" I could learn? I also have a question, >> some of my friends that I hack with will bat the hacky-sack with their hand >> if they don't think that they can get it with their foot. Whenever I try and >> convince them that they should instead at least make an effort to get it >> with their foot they think I'm being stupid. Can you come up with a >> convincing argument against doing this? (You don't have to convince me, I >> already would never use my hand). >> >In addition to Juliet's advice, you might tell your friends that , in the >interest of self-preservation, they probably want to avoid putting >their hands out for the bag because someone else in the circle may decide to >go for it with a kick - hand meets foot. Ouch! I've seen it happen! >Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu Huh... once I doveon the middle of the circle to snag the bag on my shoulder and got kicked in the head. You'd better believe it happens... JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 17:29:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA08032 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:29:57 GMT Message-Id: <199701151729.RAA08032@eniac.yak.net.taz> From: freefloe@continet.com X-Sender: freefloe@continet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] being aware in circles Comment: Reposted to freestyle list by brat@footbag.org Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:19:09 -0800 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >go for it with a kick - hand meets foot. Ouch! I've seen it happen! >Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu >Josh Penny wrote: >Huh... once I doveon the middle of the circle to snag the bag on my >shoulder and got kicked in the head. You'd better believe it happens... Dennis told me about the time he was in a circle and watched Kevin Courtney (maker of the awesome footbag screen saver) go for a neck catch at the same time Reed Gray was going for a sole kick. Both these guys are big. Reed kicked Kevin under the chin. Kevin's teeth went flying and he landed on his butt. After hearig this I don't do neck catches into the center of circles. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 17:38:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA08082 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:38:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA08076 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:38:52 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8072) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA08065; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:38:51 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13515; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:38:33 -0800 Received: from [204.188.8.42] (dialup3.Market.NET [204.188.8.42]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA16103; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:31:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:38:53 -0800 To: footbag@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: [freestyle] Netiquette Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone. Sorry to bug you but I see a pattern developing and I'd like to nip it in the bud if I can. Now that we have multiple mailing lists, it's vital that everyone remember which list is which when posting. When sending a new message, try to make sure you direct it to the list where it makes the most sense (see below). When replying or following up to a message on one of the lists, please look at the []'s in the subject line of the message you're referring to, and/or the To: and Cc: lines, before sending your message. Try to remember that those people who are on another list may not have seen any of the messages to which you're referring if you reply to the wrong list. The current global/public footbag lists are: footbag@footbag.org General Discussion (no freestyle) freestyle@footbag.org Freestyle Discussion Only announce@footbag.org Announcements Only (moderated) Also, it's significantly easier for people to follow various threads of discussion if you *reply* instead of creating a new message. The "Subject:" line, if used correctly (which most mailers do on replies) can help everyone tell which message relates to which topic. Either way, always take it upon yourself to verify the To: and Cc: lines of your outgoing mail before you send it. Thanks. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 17:58:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA08180 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:58:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA08176 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:58:20 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8173) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA08171 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:58:20 GMT Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13704 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:58:02 -0800 Received: from IBM2 ([207.92.232.219]) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA11576 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:58:00 -0800 Received: by IBM2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BC02CB.AA910A60@IBM2>; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:05:42 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC02CB.AA910A60@IBM2> From: Mike Niday To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] RE: [footbag] Freestyleiquette Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:05:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >>The current global/public footbag lists are: >> footbag@footbag.org General Discussion (no freestyle) >> freestyle@footbag.org Freestyle Discussion Only >> announce@footbag.org Announcements Only (moderated) Hey, I think that the lists should be: footbag@footbag.org For Freestyle net@footbag.org For net, golf, etc... announce@footbag.org Announcements Only ( he he he ) :-) Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 18:04:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA08247 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:04:12 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA08243 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:04:10 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8240) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA08238 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:04:08 GMT Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13746 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:03:50 -0800 Received: from IBM2 ([207.92.232.219]) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA14119 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:03:48 -0800 Received: by IBM2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BC02CC.79BD8A20@IBM2>; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:11:29 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC02CC.79BD8A20@IBM2> From: Mike Niday To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] New Footbagger Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:11:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >>Huh... once I doveon the middle of the circle to snag the bag on my >>shoulder and got kicked in the head. You'd better believe it happens... I was skoolin' paradox whirl with Peter Irish and Tim Kelly at Ghiradelli Square in downtown San Francisco, and I had my thumb sticking out, pointing straight down, and my whirling heel came straight up, and I jammed my thumb so hard it hurt for months !! The moral of the story is: uhhh, let's see.... ok, if you get your hands out there for long enough, your own body will punish you ! :-) Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com Still not as dramatic as the teeth flying story... now my teeth hurt... From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 18:14:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA08298 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:14:51 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA08294 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:14:50 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8291) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA08289 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:14:49 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13794 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:14:31 -0800 Received: from [204.188.8.42] (dialup3.Market.NET [204.188.8.42]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA16725 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:07:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BC02CC.79BD8A20@IBM2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:10:43 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: RE: [freestyle] New Footbagger Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 2:11 AM -0800 1/15/97, Mike Niday wrote: >and my whirling heel came straight up, and I jammed my thumb Yeah, well I was minding my *own* business freestyling when a top freestyler (who shall remain nameless -- but not you, Mighty!) invaded my space and kicked my hand, jamming my thumb, which *still* hurts to this day. (So, Mike, how long does it take to heal? This happened to me in October...) So the moral of that story is, don't ever let your guard down, not even for one minute, cause some crazed lunatic freestyler might kick your thumb. ?? :-) Just kidding, whoever you are. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 18:25:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA08374 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:25:26 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA08370 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:25:26 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8367) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA08365 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:25:25 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13839 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 10:25:07 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA01125 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:25:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [freestyle] Re: [footbag] being aware in circles From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:24:11 +0000 Message-Id: <000000099412936175851@mlerf.org> Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.1.1 To: freestyle@footbag.org (Freestyle Listserve) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, Jan 15, 1997, 5:19:09 PM GMT freefloe@continet.com wrote: >>Huh... once I doveon the middle of the circle to snag the bag on my >>shoulder and got kicked in the head. You'd better believe it happens... Jeff Haas was once going for a neck catch while I was pivoting into a hard outside kick. No teeth flying, but I did bruise his face. Neck catches just aren't a real good idea in a circle. BTW, does anybody have any info on Jeff Haas? He seems to have dropped of the face of our big footbag. Derrick Fogle Computer Support Services Missouri Lions Eye Research Foundation 104 Portland, Columbia, MO 65201 VOX: 573-443-1471 FAX: 573-443-1657 dfogle@mlerf.org From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 19:04:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA08526 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:04:23 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA08522 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:04:21 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8519) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA08517 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:04:19 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13990 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:04:00 -0800 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02409 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:03:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [freestyle] Collisions From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:03:04 +0000 Message-Id: <000000099452936178184@mlerf.org> Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.1.1 To: freestyle@footbag.org (Freestyle Listserve) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Oh yeah. Let's not forget the time I was in Chicago, styling with Davidson = in a small basement room. He was shredding, drifting about the room, and = had pinned me against the wall. Then he did something like a blurry whirl = and whacked me right in the mouth with his contorted arm motion and = crimped up hand. (I guess I'll bring this up first, since Scott would be sure to anyway :) Derrick Fogle Computer Support Services Missouri Lions Eye Research Foundation 104 Portland, Columbia, MO 65201 VOX: 573-443-1471 FAX: 573-443-1657 dfogle@mlerf.org From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 23:12:26 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA09558 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:12:24 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA09554 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:12:22 GMT Received: from marigold@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (9551) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA09549 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:12:21 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca ([207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15427 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:12:04 -0800 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19354 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:11:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:10:53 -0800 (PST) From: Verhoef Anne To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] being aware in circles In-Reply-To: <199701151729.RAA08032@eniac.yak.net.taz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 15 Jan 1997 freefloe@continet.com wrote: > >Josh Penny wrote: > >Huh... once I doveon the middle of the circle to snag the bag on my > >shoulder and got kicked in the head. You'd better believe it happens... Ouch!!, it's hard to imagine head injuries while playing a sport like footbag. I remember a few weeks ago I had a very painful injury... I did a double over down, and just as I was catching it with my left clipper foot, my right foot came down and landed *on top* of my clipper foot. After that, both my ankles collasped and I fell to the ground. I had another one just reciently, I did a dragonfly and my knee came up too high and ......well you get the picture! Adrian -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 23:23:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA09627 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:23:11 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA09623 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:23:10 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (9620) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA09618 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:23:10 GMT Received: from oxywhite.interaccess.com (oxywhite.interaccess.com [207.208.45.100]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15510 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:22:55 -0800 Received: from [207.70.66.120] (d120.cloud.interaccess.com [207.70.66.120]) by oxywhite.interaccess.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA04381; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:22:46 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:28:36 -0500 To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF), freestyle@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Collisions Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Derrick and everyone! >Oh yeah. Let's not forget the time I was in Chicago, styling with Davidson >in a small basement room. He was shredding, drifting about the room, and >had pinned me against the wall. Then he did something like a blurry whirl >and whacked me right in the mouth with his contorted arm motion and >crimped up hand. >(I guess I'll bring this up first, since Scott would be sure to anyway :) Yes... I was gonna mention this. And it was a spinning whirl attempt (successful, BTW) and my contorted arm was locked at the elbow. It had to hurt. Sorry, again Derrick! See ya! Scott. Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 23:46:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA09722 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:46:43 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA09718 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:46:42 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (9715) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA09713 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:46:41 GMT Received: from oxywhite.interaccess.com (oxywhite.interaccess.com [207.208.45.100]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15679 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:46:25 -0800 Received: from [207.70.66.120] (d120.cloud.interaccess.com [207.70.66.120]) by oxywhite.interaccess.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA05155; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:46:19 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:52:09 -0500 To: Verhoef Anne , freestyle@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [freestyle] being aware in circles Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! Here is one from the archives... The NSGA Show back in 1988 (I think) was a big one for footbag. Everyone was there, and it happened to be the biggest year for Proton. Tony Penisi invited just about everyone who had anything to do with footbag to demo at his show. (Others in town included: Greg Cortopassi, Ted Huff and John Stalberger, I believe.) It was a nice summer night, so we went out to dinner on Rush Street and had a good time kicking and eating and the like. After dinner, Tony had arranged a demo at a swank nearby club. On our way there, we had about 10 people walking down the crowded street and kicking while we walked. The footbag got a little out of control, and one of the founding members of the Midwest Footbag Assn., Jay Claffey, swung at it with a giant back kick... blind. He knocked a cigar squarely out of some guys mouth and into the street. We apologized. Boy, that was fun. That was right around the time that Kenny and myself simultaneously invented what is now known as Torque. But that was another story. See ya! Scott. Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jan 15 23:46:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA09739 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:46:47 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA09735 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:46:46 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (9732) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA09730 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 23:46:45 GMT Received: from oxywhite.interaccess.com (oxywhite.interaccess.com [207.208.45.100]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15682 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:46:31 -0800 Received: from [207.70.66.120] (d120.cloud.interaccess.com [207.70.66.120]) by oxywhite.interaccess.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA05159; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:46:24 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 17:52:13 -0500 To: genz@bechtel.Colorado.EDU From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: [freestyle] I love this sport! Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Daryl and Freestylers! If any of you haven't seen Daryl lately, he is full of this move called, I believe, "Miraging Same-Side Butterfly". Or that is what Daryl is calling it, I believe. Daryl was doing this move eloquently at XMAS Jam, in and out of everything... so I just thought I would let him that he is not alone. I have been skoolin' that move, and I would like to give it a better name than "Miraging Same-Side Butterfly". I was thinking it could be called "Stepping Butterfly" (not stomping, because this is much more delicate) and here is why. This Ripwalk-like mirage before the butterfly can be applied to many more moves than the butterfly. For instance, Blenders. And I am sure there are more. I would like the name to be applicable to other moves, and make sense as a naming convention for the future. i.e. Stepping Blender, Stepping Butterfly, Stepping Double Leg Over. It is a style, but in some cases (like the blender) it changes nothing on the cards, so is technically not different, even though they look nothing like each other. Daryl, what do you think of this? Everyone, what do you think? Other moves I've been skoolin': Mobius both sides Paradox Torque both sides StudderWalk ("Miraging Same-Side Butterfly" with an extra two steps in there) Spinning Ducking Butterfly Torque-Osis-Torque-Osis, Repeat Vortex both sides. Gyro Whirl both sides Gyro Butterfly both sides. Ripwalk to Cross-Body Sole (left only) Anyway, the "Miraging Same-Side Butterfly" is an AWESOME friggin move and I can't wait to apply that "Stepping" set to many more moves. (Thanks, Daryl for making me look at that move as something more than "the") I love this sport, because just when you think there is no more to learn, a brick hits you in the side of the head with a whole new family of moves comes flying in. Oh, and the people in the sport are the best, but if I said that everytime I posted, it would just sound like drivel. But they ARE the best! See ya! Scott Davidson P.S. Valeria and myself will be in Nashville, TN until Monday, if anyone wants to shred with us while we are there, call our voicemail at: 773-237-9255 and we will contact you. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 16 00:41:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA09971 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 00:41:07 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA09967 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 00:41:06 GMT Received: from the_sock@ihug.co.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (9964) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA09962 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 00:41:05 GMT Received: from ihug.co.nz (ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16107 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:40:49 -0800 Received: from port864-Auck.ihug.co.nz (port864-Auck.ihug.co.nz [203.29.161.102]) by ihug.co.nz (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27968 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:43:50 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199701160043.NAA27968@ihug.co.nz> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "The Sock" To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 14:21:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [freestyle] Concert Shred Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well, me and 2 friends have just organised to shred on a Stage at the NZ equivilent of Lollolopolooza, The Big Day OUt! :) There should be at least 20,000 people there, so we will be freaking and dropping the footbag everywhere.... excellent!! Some bands that are playing there is Offspring, Soundgarden, Fear Factory, The Prodigy... Its gonna go off!... And we scored free tickets.. so I aint complaining :) Just thought I'd let u all know that footbag is still alive in New Zealand :) Later PS. I said to the organiser on the phone "Im one of the guys doing the footbag demo".. he goes "whaaa"... so I say.."oh... the hacky sack demo"... he understood then.... From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 16 02:25:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA10403 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:25:04 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA10399 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:25:02 GMT Received: from vern@lrbcg.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (10396) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA10394 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:25:02 GMT Received: from portal.dx.net (portal.dx.net [199.190.65.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16786 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:24:44 -0800 Received: from s28.lrbcg.com (s28.lrbcg.com [206.162.39.28]) by portal.dx.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA23198 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:30:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:30:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970115212857.19ff0b3a@lrbcg.com> X-Sender: vern@lrbcg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freestyle@footbag.org From: The Shithouse Philosopher Subject: [freestyle] Terminology Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey people, I've been kickin' for a long time (sporadically unfortunately), but must have been in the Darklands. This is my sixth year kickin', and have no idea what you people are talking about half the time. Is there an easily accessible glossary I could get at somewhere? Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. I know the reason why now. I live in Ohio. If anyone ever comes near Cedar Point and feels the need to kick, email me. We have quite a good crowd around here. Love and creativity all! Feel, then see. It's time to evolve. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 16 02:35:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA10439 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:35:57 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA10435 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:35:56 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (10432) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA10430 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:35:55 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16920 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:35:41 -0800 Received: from [17.255.9.137] (microbrat.research.apple.com [17.255.9.137]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA24074 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:28:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:38:59 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: Re: [freestyle] I love this sport! Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Scott Davidson wrote: >I would like to give it a better name >than "Miraging Same-Side Butterfly". I don't get it. I thought everyone called this move "Same-Side Ripwalk." Is that what you're referring to? I guess that name's not great, though. >I was thinking it could be called "Stepping Butterfly" Stepping sounds cool (but read on). >I would >like the name to be applicable to other moves, and make sense as a naming >convention for the future. i.e. Stepping Blender, Stepping Butterfly, >Stepping Double Leg Over. At first I thought you wanted "Stepping" to be the non-paradox equivalent to "Blurry". But now it sounds like you're saying something else. I don't like this part: >It is a style, but in some cases (like the >blender) it changes nothing on the cards In one case (butterfly) it's an extra dexterity, in another (blender) it's just a way of hitting the move. That's scary from my standpoint. I'd much rather see it be a consistent naming scheme. How about we just keep calling Same-Side Ripwalk by that name, and your other moves (i.e., Early-set-blender) just by their real names, i.e., Blender. Otherwise we'd get into nightmarish arguments over whether something was stepping or not when it didn't make any difference, like stepping osis versus torque, and the ambiguously-named stepping osis versus blender. Grr. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 16 02:38:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA10464 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:38:40 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA10460 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:38:39 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (10457) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA10455 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:38:39 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16947 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:38:24 -0800 Received: from [17.255.9.137] (microbrat.research.apple.com [17.255.9.137]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA24107 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:31:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199701160043.NAA27968@ihug.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:41:37 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Concert Shred Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 6:21 AM -0800 1/16/97, The Sock wrote: >Well, me and 2 friends have just organised to shred on a Stage at the NZ >equivilent of Lollolopolooza, The Big Day OUt! :) Just say their names! It's you (Adrian), Stu, and Damian, right? >There should be at least 20,000 people there, so we will be freaking and >dropping the footbag everywhere.... excellent!! Naaaawww.. You guys will be busting Paradon Swirls and toe-set Blurs back and forth. :-) >Just thought I'd let u all know that footbag is still alive in New >Zealand :) Is it EVER! I highly recommend visiting these guys. :-) >PS. I said to the organiser on the phone "Im one of the guys doing >the footbag demo".. he goes "whaaa"... so I say.."oh... the hacky >sack demo"... he understood then.... Grr. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 16 02:39:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA10481 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:39:37 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA10477 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:39:37 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (10474) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA10472 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 02:39:36 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16958 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:39:23 -0800 Received: from [17.255.9.137] (microbrat.research.apple.com [17.255.9.137]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA24126; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:32:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970115212857.19ff0b3a@lrbcg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 18:42:36 -0800 To: The Shithouse Philosopher From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Terminology Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 6:30 PM -0800 1/15/97, The Shithouse Philosopher wrote: >Hey people, >I've been kickin' for a long time (sporadically unfortunately), but must have >been in the Darklands. This is my sixth year kickin', and have no idea what >you people are talking about half the time. Is there an easily accessible >glossary I could get at somewhere? Yes -- http://www.footbag.org/faq/ >If anyone ever comes near Cedar Point and feels the need to kick, email me. >We have quite a good crowd around here. Love and creativity all! Great to see new players on the freestyle list! Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 16 04:32:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA10903 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 04:32:26 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA10899 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 04:32:25 GMT Received: from genz@bechtel.colorado.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (10896) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA10894 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 04:32:25 GMT Received: from juniper.Colorado.EDU (juniper.Colorado.EDU [128.138.228.206]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17487 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 20:32:12 -0800 Received: from juniper (genz@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by juniper.Colorado.EDU (8.8.4/8.8.4/Unixops/Hesiod/(SDM)) with SMTP id VAA03126; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:31:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <32DDAF39.10B5@bechtel.Colorado.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:31:53 -0700 From: Genz Daryl S X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven L. Goldberg" CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] I love this sport! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Steven L. Goldberg wrote: > > Scott Davidson wrote: > >I would like to give it a better name > >than "Miraging Same-Side Butterfly". > Stepping sounds good to me. > I don't get it. I thought everyone called this move "Same-Side Ripwalk." > Is that what you're referring to? I guess that name's not great, though. Yes (I'm speaking for Scott here). But same side ripwalk isn't really fitting, because there's no "walk" to it, there are still 3 contacts after the set - but with ripwalk it's (it being the *sound* of the move = the footwork) more like set: one, two, three - whereas with the "stepping butterfly" it's just a set: one, two (the one is the "step"). > > >I was thinking it could be called "Stepping Butterfly" > > Stepping sounds cool (but read on). > > >I would > >like the name to be applicable to other moves, and make sense as a naming > >convention for the future. i.e. Stepping Blender, Stepping Butterfly, > >Stepping Double Leg Over. > > At first I thought you wanted "Stepping" to be the non-paradox equivalent > to "Blurry". But now it sounds like you're saying something else. Stepping is JUST miraging with an intentional double plant! NOT blurry, even though you could use the same set for a blur (or whatever blury move). > > I don't like this part: > > >It is a style, but in some cases (like the > >blender) it changes nothing on the cards > > In one case (butterfly) it's an extra dexterity, in another (blender) it's > just a way of hitting the move. That's scary from my standpoint. I'd much > rather see it be a consistent naming scheme. > I think maybe Scott was a little ahead of himself when he said stepping blender. It makes more sense if you say: *stepping osis* (equivelent to a blender with a step which is what I believe Scott was talking about) whereas *stepping blender* actually would be a *double* blender. > How about we just keep calling Same-Side Ripwalk by that name, and your > other moves (i.e., Early-set-blender) just by their real names, i.e., > Blender. Otherwise we'd get into nightmarish arguments over whether > something was stepping or not when it didn't make any difference, like > stepping osis versus torque, and the ambiguously-named stepping osis versus > blender. Grr. :-) OK, so a stepping osis is equivelent to a torque, and a stepping (new term added here:) *SWITCH* osis is equivelent to a blender (the switch meaning the bag swithed feet when going from set foot to catch foot) if we really want to get picky about it. You've also got stuff like stepping mirrage, equivelent to a barrage. Essentailly, stepping can be used just like the all popular POGO. You're ecact same argument above could also apply to pogo, except nobody has bothered to mention it, i.e., what's a pogo osis?? A symposium torque, or a funky looking blender????? At this point, according to our (backwards-assed ;->) naming system - nobody knows. > > Steve Daryl From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 16 19:50:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA13322 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:50:14 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA13318 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:50:13 GMT Received: from 00201887@bigred.unl.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (13315) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA13313 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:50:12 GMT Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04034 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:50:02 -0800 Received: (from 00201887@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.8.4/8.8.2) id PAA20887 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:00:03 -0600 (CST) From: Theron A Troxel <00201887@bigred.unl.edu> Message-Id: <199701152100.PAA20887@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: [freestyle] being aware in cirles To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 15:00:03 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just a quick question: What does loosing teeth and being kicked in various spots have to do with *FREESTYLE*? -- --------------------------- @ Theron Troxel \_|_/ 465-8363 | o UNLFC President /_\_ 00201887@bigred.unl.edu \ ------------------------------------- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 16 20:34:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA13512 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:34:01 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA13508 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:33:59 GMT Received: from "tuanvu@erols.com"@erols.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (13505) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA13503 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:33:58 GMT Received: from mx04.erols.com (mx04.erols.com [205.252.116.114]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04178 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:33:52 -0800 Received: from tv ([207.96.125.212]) by mx04.erols.com (8.8.4/8.7.3/970114.001cmo) with SMTP id PAA20658; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:33:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199701162033.PAA20658@mx04.erols.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:39:27 -0500 From: Tu Vu <"tuanvu@erols.com"@erols.com> Organization: Immediate Temporaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Genz Daryl S CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] I love this sport! References: <32DDAF39.10B5@bechtel.Colorado.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Genz Daryl S wrote: > OK, so a stepping osis is equivelent to a torque, > and a stepping (new term added here:) *SWITCH* osis is equivelent to a > blender > (the switch meaning the bag swithed feet when going from set foot to > catch foot) > if we really want to get picky about it. Switch sounds very cool. Is this a new concept or part of this stepping stuff? > You've also got stuff like stepping mirrage, equivelent to a barrage. This reminds me of barrage block in team freestyle where one person sets it while the other person hoops and does a mirage with the same hooping leg. It also reminds me of pogo barrage! I really got to see this to understand it? Tu Huge From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 16 20:42:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA13565 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:42:02 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA13558 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:42:01 GMT Received: from "tuanvu@erols.com"@erols.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (13552) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA13548 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:42:01 GMT Received: from mx04.erols.com (mx04.erols.com [205.252.116.114]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04221; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:41:54 -0800 Received: from tv ([207.96.125.212]) by mx04.erols.com (8.8.4/8.7.3/970114.001cmo) with SMTP id PAA22059; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:41:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199701162041.PAA22059@mx04.erols.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:47:34 -0500 From: Tu Vu <"tuanvu@erols.com"@erols.com> Organization: Immediate Temporaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: enlightener@footbag.org CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] I love this sport! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tu Vu wrote: > > Scott Davidson wrote: > > > Everyone, what do you think? > It sounds good to me but it reminds me of a couple of pogo tricks: pogo > barrage, shooting butterfly. I believe I have seen dozens of people do > this trick you described like I know Eric Wulff does this a lot. Scott, > can you explain the concept in more detail? Is it like a same side > ripwalk? > > > P.S. Valeria and myself will be in Nashville, TN until Monday, if anyone > > wants to shred with us while we are there, call our voicemail at: > > 773-237-9255 and we will contact you. > > If you can make your way to D.C. I'll love to jam with you. > > Tu HUge From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jan 16 20:54:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA13608 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:54:07 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA13604 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:54:07 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (13601) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA13599 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 20:54:06 GMT Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04260 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:53:59 -0800 Received: from IBM2 ([207.92.232.219]) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA12641 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 12:53:58 -0800 Received: by IBM2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BC03AD.68F69FB0@IBM2>; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:01:38 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC03AD.68F69FB0@IBM2> From: Mike Niday To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] being aware in cirles Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:01:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >>What does loosing teeth and being kicked in various spots have to do >>with *FREESTYLE*? It's part of the initiation ritual of the Big Add Posse... Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 17 08:08:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA16316 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 08:08:34 GMT Received: from knr@netcom.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (15176) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA15174 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 03:31:55 GMT Received: from tor-srs1.netcom.ca (tor-srs1.netcom.ca [207.93.1.148]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06327 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:31:51 -0800 Received: from capppknr by tor-srs1.netcom.ca (8.7.5/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id WAA12538; Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:31:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701170331.WAA12538@tor-srs1.netcom.ca> From: "Kevin Riemer & Sharon Speck" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Hivernal "Windchill" Tournament Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 22:31:32 -0500 Comment: Redirected to freestyle list by brat@footbag.org X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Planning to be at Montreal's Windchill Tournament, February 1 and 2? Competing freestyle? If you've answered yes to both questions, e-mail us and let us know. If you know others that aren't e-mail connected and will be attending, we'd like their names too. Yves promises the more freestylers, the better the venue. Looking forward to seeing you all in Montreal!! Sharon & Kevin From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 17 22:05:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02402 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:04:34 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02397 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:04:31 GMT Received: from ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2394) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02392 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:04:29 GMT Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11016 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:03:51 -0800 Received: from coinc0 (coinc0 [198.209.253.6]) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15980; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:03:41 -0600 (CST) Received: by coinc0 (SMI-8.6) id QAA28984; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:03:40 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:03:40 -0600 (CST) From: Ida Bettis Fogle X-Sender: ifogle@coinc0 To: Asmodeus cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Both feet; was: Thanks In-Reply-To: <32DCFFD9.18A3@fox.nstn.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Asmodeus wrote: snip > > I have a few more questions. I try and use both feet as equally as > possible, but still find myself using my right leg alot more than my > left. Do most people always do the majority of their kicks with the same > foot? I guess I was wrong, I can only think of 1 question right now. > Thanks again for all your replys and I hope I answered all the questions > asked of me in them. > > Steve (hacker wannabe) > It depends on who you talk to how important it is to equally use both feet. If you talk to me, it's extremely important. Also, it depends where you want to go with the sport. If you're just into hacking in circles & don't think you'll want to do much more than that, it may not be as important. But if you really want to learn to do some other stuff, get somewhere in consecutives or freestyle,say, then you really need to skool both feet & it's *much* easier if you do this from the beginning. You may have to work harder on your weak side at first - and it can be frustrating - but after a while you'll find the formerly weak side working just as smoothly as the other one. I've always made the attempt to learn everything I do both ways. There's my 2 cents on the subject. Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 17 22:40:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02690 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:40:37 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02686 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:40:36 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2683) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02681 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 22:40:36 GMT Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA11260 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:39:58 -0800 Received: from IBM2 ([207.92.232.219]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA19470 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:39:57 -0800 Received: by IBM2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BC0485.61877500@IBM2>; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:47:37 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC0485.61877500@IBM2> From: Mike Niday To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] RE: [footbag] being aware in circles Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:47:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >>Okay, airing a pet peeve. If a television camera crew was filming Kenny, >>then surely they had *good* footage of probably dozens of awesome combos >>they could have shown. Why did they pick the one time he fell to show on >>tv? Anyone can fall. Why didn't they focus on the stuff he did that not >>just anyone can do? >>Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu Don't *even* get me started on the media... Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jan 17 23:45:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA02977 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:45:41 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA02973 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:45:40 GMT Received: from brat@research.apple.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2970) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA02968 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:45:39 GMT Received: from research.apple.com (research.apple.com [17.255.4.30]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11610 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:45:01 -0800 Received: from [17.255.9.137] (microbrat.research.apple.com [17.255.9.137]) by research.apple.com (8.7.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA14341 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:38:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <32DCFFD9.18A3@fox.nstn.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 15:48:20 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: "Steven L. Goldberg" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Both feet; was: Thanks Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 2:03 PM -0800 1/17/97, Ida Bettis Fogle wrote: >skool both feet & it's *much* easier if you do this from the beginning. I concur -- the earlier you start using your bad side, the better. It's really hard to convince yourself to skool your bad side if your good side is hella better. This coming from a guy who's been considered "advanced" for years but has only recently really starting using his left. Thanks everyone for making me work on it. :-) I have so much more fun now. :-) But here's another method I use, which seems to work: When you want to learn your bad side (left) for any trick, try to do a trick you can do on your good side, and then *immediately* try it on the left. Somehow your brain is better at mirroring the motions if you do it on one side immediately followed by the other. In other words, if you have it reasonably mastered on your good side, do it on your good side once (or twice in a row) and then right away do it on the other side *instead* of just starting fresh on your bad side and drilling it. Reinforce the good behavior, think about every part of your body and where it is on your good side, and then force yourself to do the bad side right after, thinking the whole time about shifting everything to the other side -- your balance, you body position, how you have your legs bent, etc., etc. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Jan 18 00:44:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA03224 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:44:11 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA03220 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:44:00 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3217) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA03215 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:44:00 GMT Received: from dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.8]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11932 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:43:23 -0800 Received: from IBM2 ([207.92.232.219]) by dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA00171 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:42:50 -0800 Received: by IBM2 with Microsoft Mail id <01BC0496.8C0514C0@IBM2>; Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:50:30 -0000 Message-ID: <01BC0496.8C0514C0@IBM2> From: Mike Niday To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] RE: [footbag] being aware in circles Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 16:50:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >At 2:19 PM -0800 1/17/97, Ida Bettis Fogle wrote: >Okay, airing a pet peeve. If a television camera crew was filming Kenny, >then surely they had *good* footage of probably dozens of awesome combos >they could have shown. Why did they pick the one time he fell to show on >tv? Anyone can fall. Why didn't they focus on the stuff he did that not >just anyone can do? Then Steve Goldberg wrote: >>Well, Ida, we can't be too upset. The ESPN broadcast was definitely a >>*net*-centric show, which is fine because Net needs to be seen. Not every >>show can be about every aspect of the sport -- when that happens, usually, >>they dilute both sports. So this time they dissed freestyle a little (but >>not a lot, actually). So we win some, we lose some. Or, for every action >>there's an equal and opposite reaction. Or you get what you pay for. Or a >>penny saved is a penny earned. Oh, sorry. :-) OK, that's it - I'm started. :-o :-) So, did ESPN show a little freestyle with people falling on their face, and then show a lot of net with people falling on their face??? NO !!! They were trying to draw a contrast (in my opinion) between what they think is a (barely) acceptable sport (net), and a wacky punk-kid sport (freestyle) ! *That's* the image that they have, and it really upsets me. It just shows their total ignorance. Like Scott Davidson said, Freestyle is *so* much harder than net, but net, like sooooooo many other sports (soccer, football, baseball, etc.) can gain instant popularity. Why? The shallow learning curve, of course! "Hey, everybody can do it!" "Let's not run too much footage of something that we could *never* do, so we assume that the general population can never do either!" But they turn right around, "Hey, let's be sure to air that gymnastics competition", or, "that ice skating competition". It just doesn't make any sense... Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Jan 18 01:36:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA03437 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 01:36:08 GMT Message-Id: <199701180136.BAA03437@eniac.yak.net.taz> From: Mike Niday To: "'Steven L. Goldberg'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] Both feet Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 17:00:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >>When you want to learn your bad side (left) for any trick, try to do a >>trick you can do on your good side, and then *immediately* try it on the >>left. Somehow your brain is better at mirroring the motions if you do it >>on one side immediately followed by the other. In other words, if you have >>it reasonably mastered on your good side, do it on your good side once (or >>twice in a row) and then right away do it on the other side *instead* of >>just starting fresh on your bad side and drilling it. Reinforce the good >>behavior, think about every part of your body and where it is on your good >>side, and then force yourself to do the bad side right after, thinking the >>whole time about shifting everything to the other side -- your balance, you >>body position, how you have your legs bent, etc., etc. >>Steve I *totally* agree with this. This technique has worked *wonders* for my game. Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com P.S. I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous... From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Jan 18 08:09:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA04569 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 08:09:22 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA04565 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 08:09:15 GMT Received: from vern@lrbcg.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4562) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA04560 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 08:09:08 GMT Received: from portal.dx.net (portal.dx.net [199.190.65.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13629 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 00:08:34 -0800 Received: from s15.lrbcg.com (s15.lrbcg.com [206.162.39.15]) by portal.dx.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA11657 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 03:14:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 03:14:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970118031301.1d57289e@lrbcg.com> X-Sender: vern@lrbcg.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freestyle@footbag.org From: The Shithouse Philosopher Subject: Re: [freestyle] RE: [footbag] being aware in circles Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >>>Okay, airing a pet peeve. If a television camera crew was filming Kenny, >>>then surely they had *good* footage of probably dozens of awesome combos >>>they could have shown. Why did they pick the one time he fell to show on >>>tv? Anyone can fall. Why didn't they focus on the stuff he did that not >>>just anyone can do? > >>>Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu > >Don't *even* get me started on the media... The sport is a bit too open minded, harmony inducing, and peaceful. Thus, it doesn't sell. Nothing that brings people together is condoned by the media. We're supposed to sit in front of our computer screens and be happy and complacent. There's an inherent paradox in this, but it has nothing to do with kickin'. So, I'll digress with the four cents... Feel, then see. It's time to evolve. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 19 04:46:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA08047 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 04:46:29 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA08043 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 04:46:27 GMT Received: from hungchang@ca.slr.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8040) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA08038 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 04:46:26 GMT Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18345 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 20:45:59 -0800 Received: from dns.slr.com by relay4.smtp.psi.net (8.8.3/SMI-5.4-PSI) id XAA11557; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:45:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ca.slr.com ([158.116.9.16]) by dns.slr.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18065; Sat, 18 Jan 1997 20:46:10 -0800 Received: from ccMail by ca.slr.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA853652864; Sat, 18 Jan 97 20:34:00 PST Date: Sat, 18 Jan 97 20:34:00 PST From: "HungChang" Message-Id: <9700188536.AA853652864@ca.slr.com> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Net vs Freestyle on ESPN Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mike Niday wrote: >So, did ESPN show a little freestyle with people falling on their >face, and then show a lot of net with people falling on their face??? ... >Davidson said, Freestyle is *so* much harder than net, but net, like >sooooooo many other sports (soccer, football, baseball,etc.) can gain >instant popularity. Why? The shallow learning curve, of course! .... > But they turn right around, "Hey, let's be sure to air that >gymnastics competition", or, "that ice skating competition". It >just doesn't make any sense... What in the world are you talking about, Mike ?! First of all, you totally contradicted yourself by blaming the lack of attention on freestyle due to its difficulties, and then compare it to the popularity of gymnastics and ice skating. The main reason freestyle is not attracting attention at the pro level is due to its visual presentation. Most non-footbaggers and many footbaggers can't tell the difference between a 5-add move and 2-add move other than that the legs are moving faster. They also have trouble differentiating different tricks. The other reason is that the bag is stalled low to the ground while eye level is better for attention getting (i.e. juggling). Also freestyling is rather static with the person standing in one spot most of the time. And of course you guys are all familiar with the inevitable drops. As far as "Freestyle is *so* much harder that net", you are comparing apples and oranges. You are also the first person I have heard to say that net has a shallow learning curve. Net has a steep learning curve like tennis. I just read somewhere that 60% of those that tried tennis quit because it's too hard. In my past 2 years with BAFL, many players try net and quit. I see many novice players can't even get a rally going, while intermediate have a very hard time with consistent bumps, sets, and spikes. Did you also see how many shanks were shown during the net coverage? Too many in other's opinion, however IMO it reflect the true nature of footbag net. Net is visually exciting, but it also has its problem, the small size of the ball, the shanks, and sometimes non-impressive spikes. BTW, Takraw is a great example of a visually exciting sport that net can emulate. Thumbs up to the Unbelievable Sport coverage. Hung in SJ,CA p.s. Mike, you should come out to play some net and show us how easy it is. :) From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Jan 19 17:50:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA09642 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:50:46 GMT Received: from "tuanvu@erols.com"@erols.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (9484) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA09482 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:19:26 GMT Received: from mx05.erols.com (mx05.erols.com [205.252.116.249]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20962 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 08:19:06 -0800 Received: from tv (spg-as2s05.erols.com [207.172.127.89]) by mx05.erols.com (8.8.4/8.7.3/970114.001cmo) with SMTP id LAA23660; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:21:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199701191621.LAA23660@mx05.erols.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:26:24 -0500 From: Tu Vu Organization: Immediate Temporaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: HungChang CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Net vs Freestyle on ESPN References: <9700188536.AA853652864@ca.slr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org HungChang wrote: > In my past 2 years with > BAFL, many players try net and quit. I see many novice players >can't > even get a rally going, while intermediate have a very hard time >with > consistent bumps, sets, and spikes. Did you