From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 1 14:27:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA12154 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:26:47 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA12150 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:26:45 GMT Received: from mike138@capecod.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (12147) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA12145 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:26:45 GMT Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA03262 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:26:38 -0800 Received: from default (mar40.capecod.net [205.230.14.40]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29944 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:26:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704011426.JAA29944@mailhost.capecod.net> From: "Mike Keymont" To: "Freestyle List" Subject: [freestyle] Tosis? Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:20:23 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I've been posting to the wrong list! Anyway, has anyone ever done a toe-osis? That is a pendulum while spinning, ending with the bag UNDER your upside down , cross body toe, then released. If not, let's call it Tosis and it will be my first step towards world domination! Anyone with more advice on double dexterity moves? I need something 'sassy' to bring to Funtastik in August! Mike Keymont From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 1 22:32:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA14190 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:32:14 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA14186 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:32:12 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (14183) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA14181 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:32:11 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07607 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:32:36 -0800 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id OAA12571; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:32:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id OAA25831; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:32:32 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 14:32:31 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand To: Mike Keymont cc: Freestyle List Subject: Re: [freestyle] Tosis? In-Reply-To: <199704011426.JAA29944@mailhost.capecod.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > toe-osis? That is a pendulum while spinning, ending with the bag UNDER your > upside down , cross body toe, then released. If not, let's call it Tosis > and it will be my first step towards world domination! I don't understand what you mean by "...with the bag under your upside down xbody toe..." Could you maybe elaborate? Thanks, ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 3 05:33:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA21548 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 05:33:24 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA21544 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 05:33:22 GMT Received: from genz@bechtel.colorado.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (21541) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA21539 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 05:33:21 GMT Received: from hamilton.Colorado.EDU (hamilton.Colorado.EDU [128.138.228.91]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02038 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:33:32 -0800 Received: from hamilton (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hamilton.Colorado.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.5/Unixops/Hesiod/(SDM)) with SMTP id WAA05951; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:33:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3343411C.3C4F@bechtel.Colorado.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 22:33:16 -0700 From: Genz Daryl S X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4c) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josh Penney CC: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Query and more terminology. References: <199703280348.WAA70260@dept.english.upenn.edu> <19970328.005349.3566.2.dervish@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Josh Penney wrote: [snip] > > Okay, maybe I wasn't really *on* the mark for the double-over family. > But you have to admit that renaming clipper set mirage or barrage vs. > barrage from toe is too random. There are going to have to be some cases I don't have to admit anything I don't want to. ;-> What's so hard about calling toe set barrage tarrage? Next you'll be telling me there's no discernable difference between flurry and entourage... Maybe there are too many move names ... but that's part of what keeps the sport interesting (& unique). I guess basically, IMHO the double and triple dexes are worthy of their own names. > where the cigar is just a smelly roll of tobacco. > But to answer, No I don't think so, and the differences are more > pronounced (to the extreme) 2whirl is almost another dexterity! Barrage, > par. and bfly are only one-and-a-half. > > Thanks, > > JP > English? No problem. Computers? Not a chance. > -me in a drunken stupor. : ) Genzu From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 7 12:37:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA14068 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:36:59 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA14064 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:36:56 GMT Received: from ratcliff@advtel.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (14061) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA14059 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:36:56 GMT Received: from noc1.eatel.net (ns1.eatel.net [207.101.8.253]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA31449 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 05:37:38 -0700 Received: from p166 (max2-56.eatel.net [207.101.8.56]) by noc1.eatel.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA09744 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:56:29 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970407123718.0068d8b0@mail.advtel.net> X-Sender: ratcliff@mail.advtel.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 07:37:18 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Wes Ratcliff Subject: [freestyle] Neck Catch & 1-Add Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I was looking through the moves list, and I saw that the Neck Catch was in the one adds category. Why isn't it unusual surface/delay?? It is only Unusual Surface!! Can anybody skool me on this... Wes ratcliff@advtel.net From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 8 13:48:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA20701 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:48:14 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA20697 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:48:12 GMT Received: from c655664@showme.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (20694) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA20692 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:48:06 GMT Received: from mail.missouri.edu (mail.missouri.edu [128.206.2.169]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06185 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 06:49:39 -0700 Received: from sp2n09.missouri.edu (sp2n09.missouri.edu [128.206.2.17]) by mail.missouri.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA81922 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:49:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (c655664@localhost) by sp2n09.missouri.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA403192 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:39:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sp2n09.missouri.edu: c655664 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:39:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Marschall X-Sender: c655664@sp2n09.missouri.edu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] moving to Oregon Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi kickers, I will be moving to the Albany Oregon area in mid May to do an internship in Parks and Recreation. Having never been to the area, any information about just about anything would be greatly appreciated! My main concerns are finding lodging (my employer is supposed to help me look for that) and the where's and when's to 'style. I'm really looking foward to kicking with all of you this summer ! Joe Marschall From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 8 18:34:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA22388 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:34:39 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA22384 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:34:37 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (22381) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA22379 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:34:36 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07849 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:35:17 -0700 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id LAA15684; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id LAA23514; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:35:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: Joe Marschall cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] moving to Oregon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Joe Marschall wrote: > Hi kickers, > > I will be moving to the Albany Oregon area in mid May to do an internship > in Parks and Recreation. Having never been to the area, any information > about just about anything would be greatly appreciated! My main concerns > are finding lodging (my employer is supposed to help me look for that) and > the where's and when's to 'style. I'm really looking foward to kicking > with all of you this summer ! Let me get this straight: You get paid to travel and play freestyle footbag? Does your boss need any more employees?!?! You can email an application to hill9361@uidaho.edu :) ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 8 20:04:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA22947 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 20:04:01 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA22943 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 20:03:58 GMT Received: from severat@eosc.osshe.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (22940) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA22938 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 20:03:57 GMT Received: from eosc.osshe.edu (EOSC.OSSHE.EDU [140.211.65.5]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00558 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:04:02 -0700 Received: by eosc.osshe.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20992; Tue, 8 Apr 97 13:06:22 PDT Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 13:06:18 -0700 (PDT) From: ~ Jo Mamma ~ X-Sender: severat@emily To: Freestyle Footbag Subject: [freestyle] Jester Stall Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, I have a question for anyone that can answer it. I am kind of a beginning hacky sacker, and I am trying to learn the jester stall. I can stall on my right and left foot, on top, but thats it so far. Do you have any practice tips for me, I really want to learn how to do it. Also, is there a ceartain type of shoe that is perfect for stalls? I currently have a pair of Airwalks. Thanks. -Tim *-------------------------------------------------+--------------------* * Name : Timothy Alan Severance | * * Home Phone : (541) 962-4013 | --- --- * * Email : severat@eosc.osshe.edu | 0 0 * * Hobby's : Playing Banjo, Guitar and Piano | | * * age : 19 | / \ * * occupation : Engineering | \___/ * * School : Eastern Oregon State College | * *-------------------------------------------------+--------------------* From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 11 02:08:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA03803 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:08:22 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA03799 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:08:19 GMT Received: from ratcliff@advtel.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3796) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA03792 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 02:08:14 GMT Received: from noc1.eatel.net (ns1.eatel.net [207.101.8.253]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA19652 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:09:18 -0700 Received: from p166 (max4-04.eatel.net [207.101.8.124]) by noc1.eatel.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA29590; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:28:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970411020821.0067e614@mail.advtel.net> X-Sender: ratcliff@mail.advtel.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:08:21 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Wes Ratcliff Subject: [freestyle] The new Hackman is out & some chat stuff!! Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, the new Hackman move is out!! The Cool Combo of the Month is out also. If you haven't heard of Hackman, he's a little dude who shows you how to perform different freestyle footbag moves. The link is --> http://www.eatel.net/~ratcliff/ Thanks!! ATTENTION: If you have a Java-enabled browser & some free time, ;) come chat on Hackman's Chat... The "Official" time is Friday Night 8pm Central Time. You can find the link to the chat page by following the link up there! Cya there! Wes - ratcliff@advtel.net From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 11 21:31:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02391 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 21:31:12 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02387 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 21:31:10 GMT Received: from swingert@creighton.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2384) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02371 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 21:29:36 GMT Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu (bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25144 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:29:26 -0700 Received: from [147.134.107.135] (kie135.creighton.edu) by bluejay.creighton.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA118232560; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:02:40 -0500 X-Sender: swingert@bluejay.creighton.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 03:14:18 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: swingert@creighton.edu (Sean Wingert) Subject: [freestyle] Some Move Queries Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just got off the phone with Brian McKenzie and we were wondering about two moves: 1. Has anyone tried/hit a paradox symposium blender? 2. How about a blurriest swirl? Thanks, Sean & Brian From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 11 22:03:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02492 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:03:57 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02488 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:03:55 GMT Received: from marigold@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2485) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02483 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:03:54 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25284 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:03:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA18317; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:03:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Verhoef Anne To: Sean Wingert cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Some Move Queries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Sean Wingert wrote: > > 1. Has anyone tried/hit a paradox symposium blender? Do you mean pogo paradox blender or paradox symposium whirl to an osis? (paradox symp backside blender). This brings the question: has anyone hit even a symposium blender? It would take some pretty quick feet. > 2. How about a blurriest swirl? To my knowledge, I don't think anyone has landed a 4 dex move. Some other insane 4 dex moves that people might have tried are: pixie paradon swirl, nemesis, pogo paradox flurry (ever tried this Tuan??) Adrian -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 11 22:24:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02621 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:24:07 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02617 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:24:05 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2614) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02612 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:24:05 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25366 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:24:08 -0700 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id PAA11944 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id PAA21885 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:24:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:24:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] deadly lavers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was playing some ultimate frisbee on a soccer field at school the other day, and when I went home, I almost died. The grassy field left a dark residue on the soles of my Rod Lavers that was very slippery. When I entered the tile floor kitchen, it was like I had banana peels on my soles. I don't recommend wearing Lavers full time :) ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 14 02:17:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA11962 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 02:17:05 GMT Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA11424 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:42:15 GMT Received: from sol.javaconnection.com (sol.javaconnection.com [207.155.18.98]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04177 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 16:42:38 -0700 Received: from Venus.javaconnection.com ([207.155.18.100]) by sol.javaconnection.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16219 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 16:06:18 -0700 Message-ID: <33516F83.6336@javaconnection.com> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 16:42:59 -0700 From: Eric Windsor Reply-To: carguy@nas.com Organization: javaconnection X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] spinning vs. paradox Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have a question about spinning and paradox. is a spinning whirl paradox? is it 5 adds? I see Kenny do it alot. What about spinning paradox tourqe. Is that 6 adds? I think it is worth it. That is one hard move. Just curious what you think. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 14 03:48:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA12288 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 03:48:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA12284 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 03:48:51 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (12281) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA12279 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 03:48:50 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05106 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:49:15 -0700 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id XDR26563; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:48:30 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:45:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] spinning vs. paradox Message-ID: <19970413.234522.3510.1.dervish@juno.com> References: <33516F83.6336@javaconnection.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,10 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >What about spinning paradox tourqe. Is that 6 adds? I think it is >worth it. That is one hard move. >Just curious what you think. I think a move can't be spinning and paradox. The extra movement carries itself well outside the resrictions of what we call paradox, tho I agree it is one hard mutha. JP ps. Thanx for calling MTV in on freestyle, Ryan. Hopefully, the third time's a charm. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 14 03:59:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA12323 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 03:59:24 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA12319 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 03:59:24 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (12316) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA12314 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 03:59:23 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05149 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:59:34 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19970413.234522.3510.1.dervish@juno.com> References: <33516F83.6336@javaconnection.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:59:43 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] spinning vs. paradox Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 8:45 PM -0700 4/13/97, Josh Penney wrote: >>What about spinning paradox tourqe. Is that 6 adds? I think it is >>worth it. That is one hard move. >>Just curious what you think. > >I think a move can't be spinning and paradox. >The extra movement carries itself well outside the resrictions >of what we call paradox, tho I agree it is one hard mutha. First of all, I think the name of this move is "Marius". Not sure of the spelling, but it's pronounced "mah'-ree-us". Secondly, by the current definition of paradox, no. Spinning/gyrating moves are never paradox according to most people. However, I believe we really should consider that it fits the paradox definition when the dexterity is performed by the other foot, i.e., in the case of marius. To me, it's pretty much a perfect paradox because you not only have to go further around the bag, but you have to come out of a spin, put the brakes on, and then go back and around. It's much harder than just snaking out of a clipper set to hit a paradox. But what do I know... Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 14 18:38:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA15769 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:38:06 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA15765 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:38:04 GMT Received: from tuanvu@erols.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (15762) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA15760 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:37:58 GMT Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [205.252.116.103]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00886 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:38:29 -0700 Received: from tv (spg-as18s55.erols.com [207.172.122.223]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02749; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:38:19 -0400 Message-ID: <33527BDC.43DF@erols.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:47:56 -0400 From: 2 HUGE Organization: HUGE PRODUCTIONS X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: carguy@nas.com CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] spinning vs. paradox References: <33516F83.6336@javaconnection.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric Windsor wrote: > I have a question about spinning and paradox. > is a spinning whirl paradox? is it 5 adds? I see Kenny do it alot. > What about spinning paradox tourqe. Is that 6 adds? I think it is > worth it. That is one hard move. Speaking of spinning, has anyone hit inspinning double-legover. My bud Jim McCoppin is REALLY close to that one. 2 Huge From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 15 02:34:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA17846 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 02:32:24 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA17842 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 02:32:19 GMT Received: from evolprofessor@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (17839) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA17837 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 02:32:18 GMT Received: from f32.hotmail.com (F32.hotmail.com [207.82.250.43]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04500 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:32:53 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by f32.hotmail.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA24074; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704150231.TAA24074@f32.hotmail.com> Received: from 207.122.189.20 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:31:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.122.189.20] From: "Jared Allar" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Beginner Help Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:31:18 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm just starting out at freestyle. I can do basic stuff like around-the-world stalls. I can't get clipper stalls though. I was seeking some help on how to get better at circle the bag. Doing it faster and more accurate. Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 15 19:10:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA21578 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 19:09:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA21574 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 19:09:18 GMT Received: from marigold@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (21571) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA21569 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 19:09:16 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01418 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:09:56 -0700 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20724 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Verhoef Anne To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] move query Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone! Is there anyone out there who has hit a gyro ripwalk?? Adrian -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 16 15:14:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA27053 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:14:29 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA27045 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:14:25 GMT Received: from rtroxel@ops.esu19.k12.ne.us () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (27039) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA27037 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:14:24 GMT Received: from redgate.esu19.k12.ne.us (redgate.esu19.k12.ne.us [162.127.19.9]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08169 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:14:30 -0700 Received: by redgate.esu19.k12.ne.us; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA12741; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:20:36 -0500 Received: by ops.esu19.k12.ne.us; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Aug96-0319PM) id AA05912; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:17:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:01:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Ryan Troxel Subject: [freestyle] Top Ten Cc: Freestyle List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Here is the long awaited Top Ten ways to get Steve pissed at you. 10. Keep asking him when he is going to turn pro. 9. Double posting messages on the same list and talking over the discussion group when it should be private. 8. Spammers--grrrr. 7. Complain about the expensive prices for footbags, nets and Rod Lav's that are sold through the WFA. 6. Never look at his web site that he spends hours a day on. Then hear him tell you "that he is not bitching-well ok I am". 5. Tell him that he is wrong about something. 4. The Troxel's and Sean Wingert (the people who put this list together). 3. Unscribe to the announce. 2. When explaining a new move do not use Jobs' notation. And the number one way to get Steve pissed at you 1. Ask him if there is a move called the paradox around the world. Doing or mentioning any of the above will result in a severe verbal and/or written lashing from Steve. Remember a happy overlord is a nice one. This list should be given to all new members who join, that way rookies can avoid his rath for non-compliant behavior. This list was provided to you as a public service announcement from the crack research team of TROXEL, TROXEL and WINGERT. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 16 17:30:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA28000 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:30:27 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA27996 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:30:25 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (27992) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA27990 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:30:24 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09096 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:30:44 -0700 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02671; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Juliet Pendray Subject: [freestyle] Inquiries from the F.R.T. To: freestyle@footbag.org cc: aloe@vcn.bc.ca Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Greetings O Freestylers! The Freestyle Research Team has recently uncovered some new evidence regarding the origins of "Lavers" in the Freestyle Tribes' history. We would respectfully like to ask this community for any information you may have about the veracity of our findings, including any tales that may have been passed down from your forebears. Certain ancient records have surfaced that seem to indicate that the "Lavers" are, or were, more than "just" the "shoes" that they appear to be. Please know that we wish no disrespect in discussing "Lavers" with you, and hope that we are not violating any religious or ethical taboos in doing so! Your ancients' records indicate that "Lavers" enjoyed a symbiotic relationship with Freestylers feet, at least in those days... and were treated as another lifeform, another form of intelligence, possibly not of this planet! We of the F.R.T. are extremely excited by this discovery, but hesitate to make the obvious connections with ancient Mayan records of extraterrestrial contact. We need more information to help us understand the references in these writings. There are also indications that some ancient Freestylers did not ever take the "Lavers" off... and there is a suggestion that they actually *could* not take them off, as a result of a symbiotic blending between the two different lifeforms. The implications are staggering of course... but we will proceed with caution in coming to any conclusions. Again, we need your help Freestylers! Any information you may have, including hearsay, folk tales, or current experiences you may have with your own "Lavers" would be extremely helpful. With Sincere Thanks, J. Pendray On behalf of the Freestyle Research Team From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 22 00:52:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA20617 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:52:42 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA20613 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:52:40 GMT Received: from dfogle@www.mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (20610) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA20608 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:52:35 GMT Received: from tranq1.tranquility.net ([206.156.230.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06298 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:52:30 -0700 Received: from 206.156.230.104 (router-4.tranquility.net [206.156.230.104]) by tranq1.tranquility.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12360 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:52:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199704220052.TAA12360@tranq1.tranquility.net> From: dfogle@mlerf.org To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:53:40 +0000 Subject: [freestyle] Ouch! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.1.2) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well, I crashed and burned on a paradox whirl last night; almost broke my ankle. Luckily, I was able to get ice on it right away, keep it elevated, etc. Looks like 4 weeks downtime for me. Bummer. Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 22 01:15:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA20789 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:15:00 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA20785 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:14:57 GMT Received: from ratcliff@advtel.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (20782) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA20780 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:14:57 GMT Received: from noc1.eatel.net (ns1.eatel.net [207.101.8.253]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA06509 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:15:01 -0700 Received: from p166 (max2-81.eatel.net [207.101.8.81]) by noc1.eatel.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA04445 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:39:13 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970421201514.007b6db0@mail.advtel.net> X-Sender: ratcliff@mail.advtel.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:15:14 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Wes Ratcliff Subject: [freestyle] Hackman News & FAQ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hey, Hackman's new freestyle move is out!!! Also, I just released the new Hack FAQ, so go check it out and give me some *constructive* suggestions etc. :) If you haven't heard of Hackman, he's a little guy who shows you how to do cool freestyle tricks ranging from 1 to 3 Add. Also, there's a lot of other footbag info on the page such as stretching, a chat room etc. The address for Hackman's Page is http://www.eatel.net/~ratcliff/ Thanks! Wes Ratcliff -ratcliff@advtel.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 22 05:26:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA22026 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 05:26:56 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA22022 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 05:26:54 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (22019) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA22017 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 05:26:53 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08736 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:26:59 -0700 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BrP29433; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:26:40 EDT To: dfogle@mlerf.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:23:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ouch! Message-ID: <19970422.012326.15502.3.dervish@juno.com> References: <199704220052.TAA12360@tranq1.tranquility.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.22 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5,7,9,11,15-16,20-21 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:53:40 +0000 dfogle@mlerf.org writes: >Well, I crashed and burned on a paradox whirl last night; almost broke my ankle. > Yikes! Injuries, especially footbag related injuries are a royal pain in the butt. I remember trying a hopover once, catching my foot on the way up, and landing on it with the other foot on top on the way down. Much enormous good karma and other healing -via- internet electrons to you and Kevin V. But this gives me an opportunity to open a thread I've been pining... unusually obtained injuries!!! Let's hear 'em!!! Dog walking, Dog biting, (Don't bite your dog, that's not nice), surfing while footbagging, attacked by a man in an aluminum can suit, whatever. Best story (in my opinion) wins a prize. Note: they must be real, and in the past. I don't want to see ghost writing on this one, nor do I want any of you young Jedi to go out and try to get injured under weird circumstances for the highly esteemed prize. -JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 22 14:46:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA24165 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:45:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA24161 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:45:51 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (24158) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24156 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:45:51 GMT Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA12148 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:46:30 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA02469 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 09:46:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sjx-ca31-04.ix.netcom.com(204.31.235.196) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma002451; Tue Apr 22 09:46:08 1997 Message-ID: <335CD128.6C47@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:54:32 -0700 From: Mike Niday Reply-To: proshred@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ouch! References: <199704220052.TAA12360@tranq1.tranquility.net> <19970422.012326.15502.3.dervish@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Josh Penney wrote: >> But this gives me an opportunity to open a thread I've been pining... >> unusually obtained injuries!!! Let's hear 'em!!! Here's one: When I was a kid, I had tile in my bedroom, but my brother had shag carpeting. So one morning, I went into his room to use his carpet to wipe my feet off before I put my socks on. While I was violently rubbing my foot back and forth on his floor, I discovered that he had dropped a fish hook in the carpet ! Ripped my foot open from front to back. I never thought I'd feel more pain - that is, until the emergency room physician had to give me the tetanus shot in the cut... :-( Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 22 19:24:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA25605 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:24:44 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA25601 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:24:42 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (25598) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA25596 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:24:42 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15338 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:24:53 -0700 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id MAA26289 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id MAA09721 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:24:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] hooray Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I got my first symposium whirl last night, and I was drunk even. What's really ironic is that I can't do a regular whirl...Anyway, I was quite excited about that last night. I even through my arms in the air as if I just won the Olympics. ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 24 03:25:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA02452 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 03:25:19 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA02448 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 03:25:19 GMT Received: from ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2445) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA02443 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 03:25:14 GMT Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01505 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:26:09 -0700 Received: from coinc0.coin.missouri.edu (coinc0 [198.209.253.6]) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25782; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:25:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: by coinc0.coin.missouri.edu (8.8.5) id WAA17731; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:25:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:25:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Ida Bettis Fogle X-Sender: ifogle@coinc0 To: Josh Penney cc: dfogle@mlerf.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ouch! In-Reply-To: <19970422.012326.15502.3.dervish@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Josh Penney wrote: > > But this gives me an opportunity to open a thread I've been pining... > unusually obtained injuries!!! Let's hear 'em!!! Dog walking, Dog biting, > (Don't bite your dog, that's not nice), surfing while footbagging, > attacked by a man in an aluminum can suit, whatever. > Best story (in my opinion) wins a prize. > Note: they must be real, and in the past. I don't want to see ghost > writing on this one, nor do I want any of you young Jedi to go out and > try to get injured under weird circumstances for the highly esteemed > prize. > -JP Okay - my first footbag related injury. I hadn't been playing the sport very long yet, still struggling to put together ten kicks. I was kicking out in my driveway when a wasp flew by & either it got hit by the footbag or I thought it did. Since I'm wasp-phobic, I turned to run, tripped fell over a low retaining wall & gashed my shin open on a jagged piece of cinder block. This was no mere cut - the rock scraped against my shin bone. Ouch, indeed. At least the wasp disappeared without inflicting any damage. Come to think of it I have a history of footbag-related encounters with stinging insects. One year at Worlds I was stung by a bee & then last fall, at a tourney in Illinois, I was stung by a yellow jacket. Ida Bettis Fogle; ifogle@mail.coin.missouri.edu From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 24 03:46:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA02527 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 03:46:19 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA02523 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 03:46:18 GMT Received: from casey@netcomi.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2520) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA02518 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 03:46:17 GMT Received: from gravy.netcomi.com (asbestos.netcomi.com [204.58.155.101]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01673 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:47:09 -0700 Received: (from casey@localhost) by gravy.netcomi.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA03868 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:46:33 -0500 From: Casey Message-Id: <199704240346.WAA03868@gravy.netcomi.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ouch! To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:46:33 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > But this gives me an opportunity to open a thread I've been pining... > unusually obtained injuries!!! Let's hear 'em!!! Dog walking, Dog biting, > (Don't bite your dog, that's not nice), surfing while footbagging, > attacked by a man in an aluminum can suit, whatever. > Best story (in my opinion) wins a prize. > Note: they must be real, and in the past. I don't want to see ghost > writing on this one, nor do I want any of you young Jedi to go out and > try to get injured under weird circumstances for the highly esteemed > prize. > -JP Okay, if I don't say it, one of my friends will. Well, when we first started kicking -- before we knew what kicking was, even, we used to get fancy and stupid just with picking the bag up with our feet, kicking it into the circle. Well, what I was trying to do was to pinch the bag between my feet and do some sort of handspring to throw the bag into the circle. My arm didn't want to, though. It just sorta gave way and let my face hit the corner of a sidewalk. I had 3 or 4 stitches under my eye and a badly gouged paire of glasses. Good thing I have prescription protective eyewear. Funny though, it's a scar on top of a scar that I got from playing with fire when I was little. -- Casey Zacek Systems Administrator * Programmer NETCOM Interactive From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 28 22:05:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA15048 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:05:32 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA15044 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:05:31 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (15041) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA15039 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:05:30 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu ([129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09112 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:06:02 -0700 Received: from bear.cs.uidaho.edu (bear.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.74]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id PAA21018 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by bear.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) with SMTP id PAA06818 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:05:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: bear.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Yet another injury Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I did my first paradox whirl yesterday. I was excited, so I tried it again and landed on top of my ankle/chin area. I yelped and waddled over to a nearby couch. So now I have hit the symposium and paradox whirls, and I still can't seem to get a regular whirl...:) ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 hootie AND phish blow From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 28 22:50:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA15276 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:50:57 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA15272 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:50:56 GMT Received: from nhall@sdgmail.ncsa.uiuc.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (15269) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA15267 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:50:55 GMT Received: from ncsa.uiuc.edu (sdgmail.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.103.66]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09447 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:50:58 -0700 Received: from void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (void [141.142.103.20]) by ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11796 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:51:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nhall@localhost) by void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id RAA28533; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:50:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:50:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicholas Hall To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Hello to me Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Howdy all- I'm new to the list, and just thought I'd introduce myself. OK, enough chitchat- down to business. First- I'd greatly appreciate any hints on a couple of moves. I'm trying to make that difficult transition from 3 to 4 adds. For instance, I can do single around the world's all damn day, but am not getting any nearer to the double around. Any ideas? Maybe a hop off my plant foot and a higher toss, to give me more time? I do the toe-pointing dealie, but it avails me not - I always get about one and a half times around before driving my toe into dirt very close to the hack. For that matter, I'm having trouble with whirls (although I've been known to hit the occasional swirl). Any hints, drop em to me. Second- in footbag.org's move list, I notice a dragon listed as a "cross-body outside delay". Okay, I know what xbody means, and I know where the outside of my foot is, and I'm pretty sure that getting the outside of my foot to face up from a clipper position would require breaking one or more bones or tendons. Am I missing something? Third- The only sacks you can find in this town are dirtbags and sipas. Now, I've got a pretty nice dirtbag- made it myself, with ultrasuede, and genuine Panama City sand (finest and clingiest in existence), but it's still a damn dirtbag. So, I decide its time to move up in the world and get myself a mungis, but lo and behold the address is gone from footbag.org. Do those still exist? Any comments on Twisted vs. Juice vs. 344 panel vs. whatever I haven't heard of for the best freestyle sack? Fourth- Just got my Rod Lavers. Hooboy do these kick ass. Buy some if you don't have them, I command thee. I am the hottest thing on campus with my new shoes. Women adore me. Men are jealous. Cats are indifferent. Any comments greatly appreciated... Nick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Nick Hall | nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu | http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/nhall | | National Center for Supercomputing App's | University of Illinois | | "You'll hear a lot of people talking about individual freedom- But | | when they see a free individual, boy, they get scared" -Easy Rider | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 29 02:31:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA16254 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 02:31:30 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA16250 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 02:31:29 GMT Received: from jelst35+@pitt.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (16247) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA16245 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 02:31:28 GMT Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12763 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:31:33 -0700 Received: from unixs3.cis.pitt.edu (jelst35@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.54]) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.5/cispo-2.0.1.7) ID ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:27:46 -0400 (EDT) From: James E Leberknight X-Sender: jelst35@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu To: Matt Hillebrand cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Yet another injury In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Strange, but I also hit symposium whirl before hitting a generic whirl. My advice, skool symposiums...generics will follow. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 29 03:33:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA16649 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 03:33:22 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA16645 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 03:33:21 GMT Received: from edselross@earthlink.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (16642) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA16640 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 03:33:21 GMT Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by Market.NET (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13129 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:33:26 -0700 Received: from LOCALNAME (Cust112.Max11.Cleveland.OH.MS.UU.NET [153.35.129.240]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA29793 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3364E054.1CA2@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:37:45 -0700 From: Edsel Ross Reply-To: edselross@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] 32 panel footbags and hey I'm new References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello all, My name is Philip Wolfe Ross. Well as you can already tell I love to hack. I've been hackin about two years now and I thought I was good,me and my best friend are considered the best in the school, but as I read more and more I realize hey I'm not so good. After finding the moves and a description of them hell I can't even nail a pendulum or a clipper kick(also known around here as a jester). I can't whirl generic, synopsium, or any other. I can stall just about any where Back,knees,chest, I can do a squeeze quite sweetly to,(at least I think I can) and I'm working on my clipper stall, I've tried a sole stall a couple of times and let myself down so I keep trying. As far as injuries well nothin more than a twisted ankle or two. Been nailed in the scroatum a few times though.As far as 32 panel footbags go hell I'd never seen one till we finally got our computer up and runnin again and got on the net. I live in West Virginia and I quote Steve Goldberg "a dead zone for footbaging." And boy is it ever we have alot of kids that kick it up but no teachers good enough to really help. I try but hell I'm not like most of you guys all I can do is say well it helps if you kick it here ya know. My few friends that are like really pro hack cant afford to buy videos or a nice exspensive hack, I live in a house of seven people 3 of which are unemployed and three of us hack can you guess who;s unemployed? I am trying to get a club going and maybe finding some one out here in WVa that is good like alot of you guys. I'm only seventeen and being a full time student kinda keeps the job thoing low rate plus if you could see this town , there are no jobs and ya cant squeeze blood from a rock, so if anyone would be willing I will buy a blank tape mail it to you and send stamps so you can mail it back if you'll tape me some cool shit. Well thanks for putting up with my lameness. Cya Sincerely, Philip Wolfe Ross