From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 1 15:55:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00422 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:51:54 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00418 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:51:52 GMT From: delee@uism.bu.edu Received: from delee@uism.bu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (415) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00413 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:51:47 GMT Received: from BU.EDU (BU.EDU [128.197.27.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA19116 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:51:47 -0700 Received: from uism.bu.edu (UISM-OUT.BU.EDU [128.197.93.52]) by BU.EDU (8.6.13/) with SMTP id LAA20263 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:51:33 -0400 Received: from ccMail by uism.bu.edu (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA867783052; Tue, 01 Jul 97 11:47:52 EST Date: Tue, 01 Jul 97 11:47:52 EST Message-Id: <9706018677.AA867783052@uism.bu.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] move query Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i saw Rick Reese on Tuan's '96 Shred video do this trick. just wondering the name of it: toe set > opp in out dex > opp in out dex (while no plant) > opp toe delay. symposium toe blur? it's an awesome looking trick. hard to do? later Dennis ps NYC Explosion was really fun this weekend! thanks to Josh Penney. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 2 13:08:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA04692 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:07:44 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA04688 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:07:41 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4685) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA04683 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:07:40 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA25071 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 06:04:37 -0700 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id UYQ24258; Tue, 01 Jul 1997 20:22:22 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 20:13:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] move query Message-ID: <19970701.201828.4302.0.dervish@juno.com> References: <9706018677.AA867783052@uism.bu.edu> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,12,14-16 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >wondering the name of it: >toe set > opp in out dex > opp in out dex (while no plant) > opp toe >delay. >symposium toe blur? it's an awesome looking trick. hard to do? Yup, backside symposium toe blur. Yup, very hard. >ps NYC Explosion was really fun this weekend! thanks to Josh Penney. Yup! You're welcome. Stick around and compete next year!!! In case anyone (meaning everyone) doesn't know, I met Dennis last year on a train on my way home (or was it going back?) from School at StonyBrook. I guess one good thing came outta that year. JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 8 13:10:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA05909 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:09:38 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA05905 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:09:36 GMT Received: from scalf@infoserv.utdallas.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5902) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA05900 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:09:35 GMT Received: from utdallas.edu (utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA30053 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 06:09:45 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by utdallas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03451; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:09:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from infoserv.utdallas.edu by utdallas.edu (Brelay v6.01) with BLIMP; Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:09:43 CDT Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:09:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Derric Scalf To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Move Query! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have been trying a new move and was just wondering what it is... I'll try to describe it in the most confusing way possible just for fun :) Toe set > op in-out dex (mirage dex.) > same inside carried to clipper. So, here are my thoughts. It is like a refraction except with a mirage in front. Or, it is like an osis without the spin. Kinda like a toe set dada without jumping off of the second dex foot. I'll try to give an example. I set from right toe. Do a mirage like in-out dex with my left leg. Then, do a refraction with the left inside-clipper. *note* there is no spin here, so it isn't so much like an osis. The bag pretty much stays in front of me (except for the carry to x-body). Also, I've been trying it paradox. It is a fun little move. I'm hoping for 5 adds if I do it paradox (paradox, dex, carry, x-body, delay). So, all you experts? What is this move? See ya'll at worlds. Yes, ya'll. I'm from Texas and proud of it! -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 8 13:51:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA06055 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:50:30 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA06051 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:50:29 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6048) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA06046 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:50:28 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA30180 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 06:50:38 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22370 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:50:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Query! Message-Id: <000000231342951214885@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 07:54:45 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, Jul 8, 1997, 8:09:42 AM US CST Derric Scalf wrote: >I have been trying a new move and was just wondering what it is... >Toe set > op in-out dex (mirage dex.) > same inside carried to clipper. Sounds like a mirage to a wrap. But if the contact is non cross-body, you don't get a cross-body add for it. Just dex, (pdx), delay, carry. That's because the difficulty being executed is a carry, not a cross-body contact. You don't get both. How about a paradox drifter to a defraction? 8{) Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 8 20:28:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01090 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:26:59 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01086 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:26:57 GMT Received: from nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1083) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA01081 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:26:57 GMT Received: from ncsa.uiuc.edu (sdgmail.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.103.66]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA32482 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:26:57 -0700 Received: from void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (void [141.142.103.20]) by ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24112 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:27:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nhall@localhost) by void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id PAA09172; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:26:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:26:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicholas Hall To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Query! In-Reply-To: <000000231342951214885@mlerf.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org OK, move query for me too. Just started doing this move yesterday- toe set > op in-out dex > op eclipse Sort of similar. It's like a mirage bailing to an opposite eclipse. I think that would be 4 adds? The dex ends up being a little smudged when the move is performed, so you have to exaggerate it a little bit. Try doing it paradox: clipper set > same in-out dex >same eclipse... This will make your right leg follow a pretty convoluted route! Nick PS Does the mirage bailing to an opposite clipper have a name? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Nick Hall | nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu | http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/nhall | | National Center for Supercomputing App's | University of Illinois | | "You'll hear a lot of people talking about individual freedom- But | | when they see a free individual, boy, they get scared" -Easy Rider | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 8 20:34:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01152 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:34:46 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01148 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:34:45 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1145) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA01143 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:34:45 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA32545 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:34:45 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000000231342951214885@mlerf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:37:59 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Query! Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 1:26 PM -0700 7/8/97, Nicholas Hall wrote: >OK, move query for me too. Just started doing this move yesterday- >toe set > op in-out dex > op eclipse Sure, confuse the issue using the same subject line with a different move, why don't you? :-) Now, for clarity's sake, most people get confused using this notation between "op" and "same". In the notation we're trying to use on this list, "op" always means "opposite of the leg referred to in the previous section", so plain old mirage would be "toe > op in dex > op toe" but the final "op toe" really refers to the original toe. Make sense? So that said, which do you really mean: toe > op in dex > same eclipse or toe > op in dex > op eclipse ??? >Sort of similar. It's like a mirage bailing to an opposite eclipse. I >think that would be 4 adds? If it's "same eclipse" then you're talking about a "lunar eclipse". >doing it paradox: clipper set > same in-out dex >same eclipse... This >will make your right leg follow a pretty convoluted route! Paradox lunar eclipse. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 8 20:47:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01218 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:46:34 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01214 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:46:33 GMT Received: from nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1211) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA01209 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:46:33 GMT Received: from ncsa.uiuc.edu (sdgmail.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.103.66]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA32619 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:46:33 -0700 Received: from void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (void [141.142.103.20]) by ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24393 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:47:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nhall@localhost) by void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id PAA09248; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:46:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:46:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicholas Hall To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Query! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Steve Goldberg wrote: > At 1:26 PM -0700 7/8/97, Nicholas Hall wrote: > >OK, move query for me too. Just started doing this move yesterday- > >toe set > op in-out dex > op eclipse > > toe > op in dex > same eclipse > > or > > toe > op in dex > op eclipse OK... I had always thought that, throughout the move description, "same" meant the leg the set came from, and "op" meant the leg you were standing on when you set. OK. Well, then, in the notation you just explained, toe set > op in-out dex > same eclipse Or in other words, left toe set, right leg does the miraging dex, and still in the air, the right foot executes an eclipse. Is this a lunar eclipse, or should a lunar have the eclipse executed by the launching toe (I tried that too- the dex looks cleaner, but the move is much harder). Also, I'm really getting to like the eclipse. Are there any other types that are catalogued (solar, or something)? Nick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Nick Hall | nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu | http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/nhall | | National Center for Supercomputing App's | University of Illinois | | "You'll hear a lot of people talking about individual freedom- But | | when they see a free individual, boy, they get scared" -Easy Rider | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 8 20:53:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01247 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:53:43 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01242 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:53:42 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1239) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA01237 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:53:41 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA32663 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:53:42 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08494 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:53:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Query! Message-Id: <000000232082951240268@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 14:57:48 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, Jul 8, 1997, 3:26:52 PM US CST Nicholas Hall wrote: >doing it paradox: clipper set > same in-out dex >same eclipse... This Except it don't fit the definition of paradox. You would have to do op eclipse for it to be paradox, which brings in the 'cancel' phenomenon (in-out dex > same out-in dex) where the move becomes more thought than motion. Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 8 20:54:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01275 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:54:52 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA01271 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:54:51 GMT Received: from eric.burgess@corp.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1268) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA01266 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:54:50 GMT Received: from tardis.corp.netcom.com (tardis.corp.netcom.com [199.35.110.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA32674 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:54:51 -0700 Received: by tardis.corp.netcom.com; id NAA27705; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from admin01.corp.netcom.com(10.0.1.70) by tardis.corp.netcom.com via smap (3.2) id xma027563; Tue, 8 Jul 97 13:54:30 -0700 Received: by admin01.corp.netcom.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 882564CE.0073395F ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:58:33 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NETCOM From: "Eric Burgess" To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-ID: <882564CE.0071F402.00@admin01.corp.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:49:09 -0700 Subject: [freestyle] Hopping On the Move Query Bandwagon! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ok, here's one...i'm no good with the op in dex out same op whatever syntax, so i'll try to describe it as best i can: start with a right-foot clipper, pop it up in front of you. go over it out-in with the right leg, like yer gonna do an infinity. instead of doing a left-foot clipper though, you keep the right foot in the air, then kinda turn your body to the left and catch it back on right-foot clipper, kinda osis-like. to put it another way, it's like a right-foot osis set from right-foot clipper, cept that the bag goes to the inside of the right leg rather than the outside. hope that makes sense! does it have a name? i suspect it's 4 adds. eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 8 21:02:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01348 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:02:12 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01344 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:02:11 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1341) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA01339 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:02:10 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA32719 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:02:10 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:05:37 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Query! Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Nick Hall wrote: >OK... I had always thought that, throughout the move description, "same" >meant the leg the set came from, and "op" meant the leg you were standing >on when you set. Right -- this is what I suspected. That is not the case. The terms are relative because it makes it easier to identify similar moves despite different sets. Make sense? Also, as we've argued here a few times before, the systems are entirely arbitrary but we have to settle on one. So we've settled again and again on this one. :-) >toe set > op in-out dex > same eclipse Right -- this is a lunar eclipse. >eclipse, or should a lunar have the eclipse executed by the launching toe Don't know what "launching toe" means, but if you mean "setting toe" then *no*. The set is not relevant; it's what comes after the set that matters. >Also, I'm really getting to like the eclipse. Are there any other types >that are catalogued (solar, or something)? Try "stepping eclipse", also called "blurry eclipse" (though probably misnamed). It is: clip > op in dex > op eclipse See why I was concerned to get "op" and "same" right? :-) At 1:57 PM -0700 7/8/97, Derrick Fogle, MLERF wrote: >>doing it paradox: clipper set > same in-out dex >same eclipse... This > >Except it don't fit the definition of paradox. You would have to do op eclipse >for it to be paradox, which brings in the 'cancel' phenomenon (in-out dex > >same out-in dex) where the move becomes more thought than motion. Ah but it does fit the paradox definition. It's an in-out dexterity that ends in the same clipper that set it. Just like paradox drifter but with an extra dexterity. But since I know Derrick's totally confused about what a refraction is, I don't think we have a hope of agreeing on this one. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 8 21:04:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01392 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:04:19 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01381 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:04:17 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1378) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA01376 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:04:16 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA32746 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:04:16 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA08890 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:04:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hopping On the Move Query Bandwagon! Message-Id: <000000232122951240903@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 15:08:23 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, Jul 8, 1997, 3:49:09 PM US CST Eric Burgess wrote: >start with a right-foot clipper, pop it up in front of you. >go over it out-in with the right leg, like yer gonna do an infinity. >instead of doing a left-foot clipper though, you keep the right foot in the >air, then kinda turn your body to the left and catch it back on right-foot >clipper, kinda osis-like. Its called a "refraction" and for reasons that I don't agree with, is only 3 adds. (somehow, everyone discounts either the legover, spin, or cross-body element of the move; few besides me think that you can execute all 4 elements and have them be valid - hey, at least everyone agrees that there is a delay in there somewhere!) Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 8 21:04:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01396 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:04:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01391 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:04:19 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1388) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA01386 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:04:18 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA32752 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:04:18 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <882564CE.0071F402.00@admin01.corp.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:07:41 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hopping On the Move Query Bandwagon! Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 1:49 PM -0700 7/8/97, Eric Burgess wrote: >to put it another way, it's like a right-foot osis set from right-foot >clipper, cept that the bag goes to the inside of the right leg rather than >the outside. You're talking about a Corkscrew, I think. 3 adds. Just a pronounced refraction. A torque done this way is called Torquescrew. 4 adds. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 8 21:05:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01431 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:05:56 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01427 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:05:54 GMT Received: from nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1424) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA01422 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:05:53 GMT Received: from ncsa.uiuc.edu (sdgmail.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.103.66]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00025 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:05:54 -0700 Received: from void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (void [141.142.103.20]) by ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24662 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:06:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nhall@localhost) by void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id QAA09375; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:05:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:05:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicholas Hall To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Query! In-Reply-To: <000000232082951240268@mlerf.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 8 Jul 1997 dfogle@mlerf.org wrote: > On Tue, Jul 8, 1997, 3:26:52 PM US CST Nicholas Hall wrote: > > >doing it paradox: clipper set > same in-out dex >same eclipse... This > > Except it don't fit the definition of paradox. You would have to do op eclipse > for it to be paradox, which brings in the 'cancel' phenomenon (in-out dex > > same out-in dex) where the move becomes more thought than motion. The eclipse doesn't enter into the paradox nature of it- it's just a mirage bailing to an eclipse, so the paradox version is a paradox mirage bailing to an eclipse. Any move that begins with a toe set > op in-out dex should be able to be paradoxed by switching to clipper set > same in-out dex (i.e. left toe set > right in-out dex > whatever become paradoxed by going right clipper set > right in-out dex > whatever)... right? Nick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Nick Hall | nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu | http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/nhall | | National Center for Supercomputing App's | University of Illinois | | "You'll hear a lot of people talking about individual freedom- But | | when they see a free individual, boy, they get scared" -Easy Rider | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 8 21:16:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01475 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:16:47 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01471 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:16:45 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1468) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA01466 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:16:45 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00104 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:16:46 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09456 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:16:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move Query! Message-Id: <000000232212951241654@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 15:20:53 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, Jul 8, 1997, 4:05:49 PM US CST Nicholas Hall wrote: >bailing to an eclipse. Any move that begins with a toe set > op in-out >dex should be able to be paradoxed by switching to clipper set > same >in-out dex (i.e. left toe set > right in-out dex > whatever become >paradoxed by going right clipper set > right in-out dex > whatever)... right? This is what I think but..... ....that's wrong. To qualify for paradox, there are stipulations on the contact. It either has to be done by the opposite foot from the set foot, or be done cross-body if done with the same foot. The contact in eclipse is not cross-body. The carry ends up putting it there, so that is the difficulty element that is counted, not the cross-body element. Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 9 04:50:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA03356 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 04:50:30 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA03352 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 04:50:29 GMT Received: from adriand@callplus.co.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3349) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA03347 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 04:50:28 GMT Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [203.98.15.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA02259 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 21:50:27 -0700 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3RVFMYA4>; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:47:19 +1200 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13CEF80@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Paradox Whirl worries... Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:47:18 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, Does anyone else get a sore knee after doing too many paradox whirls? any solutions to knee injury free whirls?... I think its because of the sideways type dexterity that grinds it.. Later From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 9 05:04:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA03428 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 05:04:33 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA03424 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 05:04:30 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3421) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA03419 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 05:04:29 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02341 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 22:04:33 -0700 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id BBY20182; Wed, 09 Jul 1997 01:04:30 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:55:21 -0400 Subject: [freestyle] Eclipse Madness (was: Move Query!) Message-ID: <19970709.010208.3342.1.dervish@juno.com> References: <000000232212951241654@mlerf.org> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-35,37-44 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org See what I get for getting a job? Two of my favorite subjects and I missed the whole thing! Eclipses: toe>op in [ or out, for that matter ] > op eclipse is sick. Miraging/reverse miraging eclipse. Sometimes called lunar. Nice, fast footwork. 4 adds. Stepping Eclipse - 4 add Clip> op in > op eclipse Miraging lunar eclipse - Fun fun fun. Clip> op in > op in > same eclipse 'Paradox' eclipse clip > same in [ or out, for that matter ] > op eclipse. Even sicker. Definitely only 4 adds. Reverse eclipse: who cares about the set? Or adds at that point? Just contact the bag crossbody and while in the air. REAL SICK! Solar Eclipse: Eclipsing osis. REALLY REALLY SICK! Blurry eclipse (the use of the word 'blurry' implies a paradox, no?) Clip> op in > op in > op eclipse. Good luck! >To qualify for paradox, there are stipulations on the contact. >Derrick > Yes, yes, yes! Derrick you are the man,. Mister paradoxical definition or something. I owe you a rubber chicken. Steve, you need to get out there and smash that record. Have fun everyone! JPs From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 9 05:23:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA03534 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 05:23:46 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA03530 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 05:23:45 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3527) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA03525 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 05:23:44 GMT Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02437 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 22:23:48 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA10757 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:23:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sjx-ca41-01.ix.netcom.com(205.187.203.129) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma010368; Wed Jul 9 00:21:23 1997 Message-ID: <33C32324.13EE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 22:35:32 -0700 From: Mike Niday Reply-To: proshred@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox Whirl worries... References: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13CEF80@INETSRV> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adrian Dick wrote: > > Hey all, > > Does anyone else get a sore knee after doing too many paradox whirls? > any solutions to knee injury free whirls?... I think its because of >the sideways type dexterity that grinds it.. > > Later Hey Adrian ! :-) My knee was hurting too last Friday, from hittin' paradox whirling swirl ! :-o I would try the set just a little higher, make the paradox part slow and smooth, rip the whirl part fast, then you will "light" on that foot more than if you had a low set. My opinion... Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 9 15:45:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00685 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:44:55 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00681 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:44:52 GMT From: swingert@creighton.edu Received: from swingert@creighton.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (678) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00676 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:44:51 GMT Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04907 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 08:44:51 -0700 Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu by mailjay.creighton.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA293653090; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:44:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by bluejay.creighton.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA231513090; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:44:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:44:50 -0500 (CDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Paradox Reverse Torque Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Has anyone ever hit Paradox Reverse Torque? Sean From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 9 16:52:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA01241 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:52:34 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA01237 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:52:33 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1234) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA01232 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:52:32 GMT Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05266 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:52:33 -0700 Received: from [207.208.2.108] ([207.208.2.108]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id LAA12361; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:49:38 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:06:49 -0700 To: Adrian Dick , freestyle@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox Whirl worries... Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everyone! >Does anyone else get a sore knee after doing too many paradox whirls? >any solutions to knee injury free whirls?... I think its because of the >sideways type dexterity that grinds it.. No pain any more, (knock on electrons). The pain is from skooling too much. (Probably.) Just skool in moderation, meaning do 10 matching pairs of paradox whirls (or a number better suited to your workout) and put a limit on the number of times you try it. Then move on, there are plenty of other tricks to skool. See ya! Scott Davidson enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 10 06:40:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA05423 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:40:30 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA05419 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:40:28 GMT Received: from robinsong5@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5416) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA05414 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:40:27 GMT From: Robinsong5@aol.com Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA09995 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 23:40:34 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id CAA13566 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 02:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 02:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970710024033_-527290633@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hopping On the Move Query Bandwagon! Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org As a humble kicker who learned what I know from a friend who is no longer around, leaving me to practice alone against handball court walls, I'm blown away by all this terminology! I never knew there were names for any of the moves. In fact, now that I've joined this list, I realize I never knew there were so many moves! Is there a basic list of move names and descriptions somewhere that I could access, so I could better envision what the hell you guys are talking about? Thanks! Andy Robinson From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 10 06:44:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA05443 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:44:18 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA05439 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:44:16 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5436) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA05434 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:44:16 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10033; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 23:44:01 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970710024033_-527290633@emout08.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 23:47:30 -0700 To: Robinsong5@aol.com From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hopping On the Move Query Bandwagon! Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:40 PM -0700 7/9/97, Robinsong5@aol.com wrote: >As a humble kicker who learned what I know from a friend who is no longer >around, leaving me to practice alone against handball court walls, I'm blown >away by all this terminology! I never knew there were names for any of the >moves. In fact, now that I've joined this list, I realize I never knew there >were so many moves! Is there a basic list of move names and descriptions >somewhere that I could access, so I could better envision what the hell you >guys are talking about? Thanks! See http://footbag.org/faq Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 10 16:43:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00551 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:43:20 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00547 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:43:18 GMT From: delee@uism.bu.edu Received: from delee@uism.bu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (544) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00542 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:43:16 GMT Received: from BU.EDU (BU.EDU [128.197.27.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12751 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:43:10 -0700 Received: from uism.bu.edu (UISM-OUT.BU.EDU [128.197.93.52]) by BU.EDU (8.6.13/) with SMTP id MAA03182; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:42:48 -0400 Received: from ccMail by uism.bu.edu (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA868563746; Thu, 10 Jul 97 12:44:05 EST Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 12:44:05 EST Message-Id: <9706108685.AA868563746@uism.bu.edu> To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF), freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hopping On the Move Query Bandwagon! Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org this trick wouldn't be a paradox reverse blender? 5-adds? do i have any clue what i'm talking about? Dennis _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hopping On the Move Query Bandwagon! From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) at SMTPOUT Date: 7/8/97 5:06 PM On Tue, Jul 8, 1997, 3:49:09 PM US CST Eric Burgess wrote: >start with a right-foot clipper, pop it up in front of you. >go over it out-in with the right leg, like yer gonna do an infinity. >instead of doing a left-foot clipper though, you keep the right foot in the >air, then kinda turn your body to the left and catch it back on right-foot >clipper, kinda osis-like. Its called a "refraction" and for reasons that I don't agree with, is only 3 adds. (somehow, everyone discounts either the legover, spin, or cross-body element of the move; few besides me think that you can execute all 4 elements and have them be valid - hey, at least everyone agrees that there is a delay in there somewhere!) Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 10 16:57:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00626 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:57:11 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00622 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:57:10 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (619) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00617 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:57:10 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12854 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:57:11 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20688 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:57:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hopping On the Move Query Bandwagon! Message-Id: <000000235262951398881@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:01:20 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, Jul 10, 1997, 12:44:05 PM US CST delee@uism.bu.edu wrote: >this trick wouldn't be a paradox reverse blender? 5-adds? >>start with a right-foot clipper, pop it up in front of you. >>go over it out-in with the right leg, like yer gonna do an infinity. >>instead of doing a left-foot clipper though, you keep the right foot in the >>air, then kinda turn your body to the left and catch it back on right-foot >>clipper, kinda osis-like. Nope. There's no double-pivot in the move, so no paradox (even though the move might technically fall between the cracks of the definition); a reverse blender (i think) is more of a spin-to-cross-body-swirl than a blender with the dexterity direction reversed. a whirl with the dexterity direction reversed is just a butterfly-style legover, no matter how you slice it up. You're not actually doing a 'barflaction' (sorry I forget the common name for this) where you actually go all the way around the bag once (where you have to cut your leg between the bag and your body) and then doing another half- legover into the rest of the move, are you? Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 10 17:01:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00683 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:01:43 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00679 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:01:41 GMT From: vassago@earthlink.net Received: from vassago@earthlink.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (676) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00674 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:01:40 GMT Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12891 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:01:42 -0700 Received: from David (ip195.dallas2.tx.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.199.195]) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27577; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970710165941.0068e934@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: vassago@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:59:41 -0500 To: Robinsong5@aol.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] Hopping On the Move Query Bandwagon! Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 02:40 AM 7/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >As a humble kicker who learned what I know from a friend who is no longer >around, leaving me to practice alone against handball court walls, I'm blown >away by all this terminology! I never knew there were names for any of the >moves. In fact, now that I've joined this list, I realize I never knew there >were so many moves! Is there a basic list of move names and descriptions >somewhere that I could access, so I could better envision what the hell you >guys are talking about? Thanks! > >Andy Robinson > > Hackman's page, http://aopen.advtel.net/~ratcliff/hackman.htm, is a great web site to start learning moves. He has a stick figure that shows you step by step how to do each move. Freestyle Move list, http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~the_sock/moves.htm, has about 150 diffrent moves for you to learn. _________________ooO_Ooo____________________________ ____________________________________________________ | | | +----oOO---------------------------------+ |David Pflaster _ vassago@earthlink.net | +--------------( )---------OOo-----------+ (O O) ''' From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 10 18:43:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAB01411 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:43:20 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01407 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:43:18 GMT From: delee@uism.bu.edu Received: from delee@uism.bu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1404) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01402 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:43:17 GMT Received: from BU.EDU (BU.EDU [128.197.27.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA13726 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:43:16 -0700 Received: from uism.bu.edu (UISM-OUT.BU.EDU [128.197.93.52]) by BU.EDU (8.6.13/) with SMTP id OAA14952 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:42:56 -0400 Received: from ccMail by uism.bu.edu (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA868570941; Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:40:08 EST Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 14:40:08 EST Message-Id: <9706108685.AA868570941@uism.bu.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] yet another move query Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org how many adds is a 'shooting mirage?' from what i understand, it would be something like this: (clip set > opp in out dex (while no plant) > opp out in dex > opp in out dex > opp toe) is this essentially a pogo paradox atom smasher? so that would be: atom smasher(3) + paradox(1) + pogo(2) = 6 adds? later, Dennis From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 10 18:51:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01443 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:51:24 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01439 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:51:23 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1436) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01434 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:51:23 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13785; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:51:05 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9706108685.AA868570941@uism.bu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:54:22 -0700 To: delee@uism.bu.edu From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] yet another move query Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:40 PM -0700 7/10/97, delee@uism.bu.edu wrote: >how many adds is a 'shooting mirage?' > >from what i understand, it would be something like this: >(clip set > opp in out dex (while no plant) > opp out in dex > opp in out >dex > >opp toe) > >is this essentially a pogo paradox atom smasher? so that would be: >atom smasher(3) + paradox(1) + pogo(2) = 6 adds? That'd be *if* you are of the school of thought that says pogo is worth 2 adds... The way I look at it is: ... > (no plant while) op in DEX > op out DEX > [BOD] op in DEX > op TOE The [BOD] is for the paradox motion but I'm not even sure it exists given the current definition. I count 5 adds (if you buy that it's paradox) unless "no plant while" in this case really counts for a body add; but I honestly don't think it does. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 10 19:01:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01516 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:01:29 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01512 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:01:27 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1509) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA01507 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:01:26 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13835 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:01:27 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24506 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:01:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] yet another move query Message-Id: <000000235442951406337@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:05:37 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, Jul 10, 1997, 2:40:08 PM US CST delee@uism.bu.edu wrote: >how many adds is a 'shooting mirage?' > >from what i understand, it would be something like this: >(clip set > opp in out dex (while no plant) > opp out in dex > opp in out dex >> >opp toe) > >is this essentially a pogo paradox atom smasher? so that would be: >atom smasher(3) + paradox(1) + pogo(2) = 6 adds? Looks close. I would count it this way, though: dex (symp), dex (pdx), dex (symp), delay - which ends up being 7 big ones. Except for the fact that the move does not technically fit the paradox definition, since it is contacted with the same foot it was set with, and not in cross-body. But anyone who would deny the paradoxness of a move like that should have thier atoms smashed! Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 10 19:20:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01695 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:20:38 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01691 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:20:36 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1688) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA01686 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:20:36 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13942 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:20:38 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25421 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:20:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] yet another move query Message-Id: <000000235482951407488@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:24:48 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, Jul 10, 1997, 1:54:22 PM US CST Steve Goldberg wrote: >I count 5 adds (if you buy that it's paradox) unless "no plant while" in >this case really counts for a body add; but I honestly don't think it does. OOps! In my last post, I was adding in another symposium that was not originally stated. I just got excited about symposiums! So Steve is right. It doesn't get a symposium add at all, because unless you make both mirages symposium, you plant that other foot in there somewhere. So the move is: dex, dex (pdx), dex, delay - Steve's 5 adds But I still like the idea of doing it double-symposium. Can anyone install an anti-gravity device inside a footbag yet?!? Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 10 19:49:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01869 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:49:19 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01865 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:49:18 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1862) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA01860 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:49:18 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14103 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:49:19 -0700 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.1) with ESMTP id MAA06430 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.0) with SMTP id MAA02069 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:49:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Rainbow Gathering Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hung out with 80 billion stinky people at the Rainbow Gathering in Oregon this last weekend. It was a weird experience. I enjoyed zoning out on my footbag with the drums all around me. Everyone there thought I was some black magic hacky sack demon. I did see a few guys with Rod Lavers, but even they thought I was using black magic. And I really don't consider myself that good after seeing some competitions and videos (and of course listening to the conversations on this list). I don't know where I am going with this....perhaps I just wanted to say that it feels good to play with a whole lot of novices once in a while. ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 15 18:10:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01776 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:09:44 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01772 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:09:42 GMT Received: from alberto@hoy.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1769) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01767 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:09:42 GMT Received: from mail1.hoy.net (dns1.hoy.net [205.235.2.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04876 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:09:38 -0700 Received: from [205.235.2.31] by mail1.hoy.net (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21416; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:08:05 -0500 Message-Id: <9707151808.AA21416@mail1.hoy.net> From: "Alberto Avila" To: Subject: [freestyle] moves Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:12:12 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I keep reading all those terms in english used to define certain moves. Is there a list of definitions for these terms?. Does anyboby know terms in spanish? Thanks, Alberto Avila from Ecuador From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 15 18:28:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01883 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:27:27 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01879 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:27:26 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1876) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01874 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:27:26 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05196; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:26:56 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9707151808.AA21416@mail1.hoy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:26:13 -0700 To: "Alberto Avila" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] moves Cc: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:12 AM -0700 7/15/97, Alberto Avila wrote: >I keep reading all those terms in english used to define certain moves. Is >there a list of definitions for these terms?. Does anyboby know terms in >spanish? See http://www.footbag.org/faq which gives you pointers to other resources (including The Sock's website which is referenced there and is about to move, so don't remember the URL.. Use the faq to get to it.) Estamos tratando de usar las mismas palabras en todos los idiomas... Por exemplo, queremos decir "footbag" en cada pa=EDs. (As=ED que, no "fuchibola= ", no "futbolito" -- "footbag".) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 16 18:41:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA03304 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:39:45 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA03299 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:39:44 GMT Received: from eric.burgess@corp.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3296) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA03294 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:39:42 GMT Received: from tardis.corp.netcom.com (tardis.corp.netcom.com [199.35.110.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18801 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:39:13 -0700 Received: by tardis.corp.netcom.com; id LAA08213; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from admin01.corp.netcom.com(10.0.1.70) by tardis.corp.netcom.com via smap (3.2) id xma008088; Wed, 16 Jul 97 11:38:18 -0700 Received: by admin01.corp.netcom.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.05 (274.9 11-27-1996)) id 882564D6.00661FD4 ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:35:28 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NETCOM From: "Eric Burgess" To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-ID: <882564D6.005BD062.00@admin01.corp.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:43:54 -0700 Subject: [freestyle] Shooting? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i've seen "shooting" moves discussed on the list, but i don't know what they are. i'm sure one of the helpful folks here can enlighten me. thanks! eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 16 20:45:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA05270 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:44:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA05266 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:44:55 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5263) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA05261 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:44:55 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20376 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:44:57 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA24887 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:44:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shooting? Message-Id: <000000242732951930955@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:49:14 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, Jul 16, 1997, 11:43:54 AM US CST Eric Burgess wrote: >i've seen "shooting" moves discussed on the list, but i don't know what >they are. i'm sure one of the helpful folks here can enlighten me. "shooting" means (loosely) front-end dada curve that leads into something else. -- Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 16 20:55:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA05412 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:55:09 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA05408 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:55:07 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5404) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA05402 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:55:07 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20524; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:55:07 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000000242732951930955@mlerf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:58:41 -0700 To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shooting? Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 1:49 PM -0700 7/16/97, Derrick Fogle, MLERF wrote: >"shooting" means (loosely) front-end dada curve that leads into something >else. Great, Derrick, make it more complicated than it needs to be. :-) Shooting is like Pogo only the bag goes under BOTH legs (i.e., clip > (no plant while) op in dex > op out dex > ...) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 16 21:00:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA05548 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:00:17 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA05544 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:00:16 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5541) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA05539 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:00:14 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20600 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:00:17 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25458 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:00:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shooting? Message-Id: <000000242812951931874@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:04:34 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, Jul 16, 1997, 3:58:41 PM US CST Steve Goldberg wrote: >At 1:49 PM -0700 7/16/97, Derrick Fogle, MLERF wrote: >>"shooting" means (loosely) front-end dada curve that leads into something >>else. > >Great, Derrick, make it more complicated than it needs to be. :-) > >Shooting is like Pogo only the bag goes under BOTH legs (i.e., clip > (no >plant while) op in dex > op out dex > ...) Yes, like I said, it is a front-end dada. If it were JUST a dada, it would be called that. But doing something else after the two legovers allows you to call it a shooting set. -- Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 16 21:31:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA06086 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:31:00 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA06082 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:30:59 GMT Received: from nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6079) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA06077 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:30:58 GMT Received: from ncsa.uiuc.edu (sdgmail.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.103.66]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21081 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:31:01 -0700 Received: from void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (void [141.142.103.20]) by ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00491 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:31:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nhall@localhost) by void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id QAA16400; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:30:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:30:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicholas Hall To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Symposium question In-Reply-To: <000000242732951930955@mlerf.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Howdy all- Just a couple of thoughts. First of all- drifter bailing to an eclipse is neat-o! Second of all- a question about symposium moves. Can moves that end with a symposium be thought of as symposium? For instance, if I set from a left toe to a right eclipse, I normally plant my left foot (of course). I've tried doing that without plant the left, and it's pretty hard. I think a symposium mirage is a lot harder than a planted mirage, and this struck me as being about as much harder than a plant eclipse. However,I think of symposium moves as having a dex before the stall. What is the real deal here on symposiums? (ps whether a no-plant eclipse gets an extra add or not, it's a tough move in my opinion!) Nick PS Can you tell I only just started hitting solid eclipses, and now I'm breaking my knees trying them every which sort of combination I can? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Nick Hall | nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu | http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/nhall | | National Center for Supercomputing App's | University of Illinois | | "You'll hear a lot of people talking about individual freedom- But | | when they see a free individual, boy, they get scared" -Easy Rider | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 16 22:38:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA07002 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:37:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA06998 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:37:56 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6995) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA06993 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:37:56 GMT Received: from f61.hotmail.com (F61.hotmail.com [207.82.250.147]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21962 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:38:00 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by f61.hotmail.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05391; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707162237.PAA05391@f61.hotmail.com> Received: from 38.249.188.103 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:37:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [38.249.188.103] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] pogo/shooting adds Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:37:58 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm sure you've had exhaustive discussion over the number of adds rewarded to the pogo/shooting set. Here's my two cents worth: To deny the extra add for pogo, (or shooting which is a pogo leg-overing set), is to deny the existence of the clipper-miraging or blurry dexterity. After all, any dexterity (excluding same foot dexes such as swirl or around the world) should be able to be performed symposium. And if you believe that this particular move can't be done symposium, then what you're really doubting is the existence of the initial dexterity which appears in moves like blur, blizzard, ripwalk, pogo-anything, etc. This dexterity, which is very small, is at the heart of this issue. In conclusion, excluding adds from specific moves undermines the add system. There will always be easy adds (butterfly) and tough adds (atom-smasher). To maintain the integrity of the add system, we have to keep this in mind and be consistent. If not, throw out adds and find another system. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 17 00:00:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA08198 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:00:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA08194 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:00:19 GMT Received: from 00201887@bigred.unl.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8191) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA08189 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:00:18 GMT Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22989 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:00:00 -0700 Received: (from 00201887@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) id SAA10507 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:59:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Theron A Troxel <00201887@bigred.unl.edu> Message-Id: <199707162359.SAA10507@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: [freestyle] pendulum query To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:59:03 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, I was wondering if you do a pendulum and then do another trick do you get an extra add? Example, do the pendulum bring it over your head and then do a butterfly stall or mirage. Would this be 4 adds and 3 adds respecetively? I do not really care about the adds. (It just like playing basketball you don't care how many points you have during a game, but you want to know if the shot was a 2 pointer or a 3 pointer. Instant gratification, i guess). Later. -- --------------------------- @ Theron Troxel \_|_/ 465-8363 | o UNLFC President /_\_ 00201887@bigred.unl.edu \ ------------------------------------- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jul 18 10:12:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA10336 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:12:18 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id KAA10332 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:12:15 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (10329) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA10327 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:12:11 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA07156 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 03:12:18 -0700 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.1) with ESMTP id DAA03162 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 03:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.0) with SMTP id DAA07461 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 03:12:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 03:12:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] name query Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org One of my favorite moves now is this: double over down into an osis Does this have a name? And if so, who named it? Thanks, ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jul 18 23:00:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA04018 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 22:58:34 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA04014 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 22:58:32 GMT Received: from tolkyn@hamsfork.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4011) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA04009 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 22:58:26 GMT Received: from cst.hamsfork.net (ns.avicom.com [204.248.106.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13990 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:52:00 -0700 Received: from newmicronpc (ppp2.hamsfork.net [204.248.106.202]) by cst.hamsfork.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27490 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 16:52:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199707182252.QAA27490@cst.hamsfork.net> From: "Tolkyn" To: Subject: [freestyle] Any suggestions Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 16:55:53 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org For a new player to freestyle footbag? 'switch Cooper From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Jul 19 09:31:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA06286 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 09:29:56 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA06282 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 09:29:54 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6279) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA06277 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 09:29:54 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA18423 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 02:30:02 -0700 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.1) with ESMTP id CAA08297 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 02:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.0) with SMTP id CAA09976 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 02:30:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 02:29:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Southern California ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm going to be in the Los Angeles area from July 22-30 (Santa Barbara area as well), and I was wondering if there are going to be any freestylers that want to get together. I'd love to hear from you. ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Jul 20 03:39:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA02217 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 03:38:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA02213 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 03:38:34 GMT Received: from goalkeepr1@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2210) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA02208 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 03:38:33 GMT From: GoalKeepr1@aol.com Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24571 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 20:38:37 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA15055 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 23:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 23:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970719233834_243309915@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #185 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 97-07-19 20:03:58 EDT, you write: << I'm going to be in the Los Angeles area from July 22-30 (Santa Barbara area as well), and I was wondering if there are going to be any freestylers that want to get together. I'd love to hear from you. >> Hey Matt, I live about 40 minutes from LA and would love to kick with you. Unfortunately, I wiped out on my skateboard and am very "SCABBY". I should probably be able to kick by Monday but I'm not sure. Give me a call and we'll figure something out. Later, Ryan Mulroney. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 22 16:00:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00395 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:58:41 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00391 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:58:40 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (388) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00385 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:58:40 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA20246 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:58:40 -0700 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.1) with ESMTP id IAA14003 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.0) with SMTP id IAA15482 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:58:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:58:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Santa Barbara Area? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am in Santa Barbara right now, but I haven't found any kickers yet. I think I will be here for a coup0le more days, and then I am going to LA. I'll look up all you LA boys for sure. But for now, where are all the Santa Barbara kickers? I need some good ideas for worlds. Haha, I don't even have a song chosen yet. thanks, ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 22 16:44:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00631 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:44:05 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00627 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:44:03 GMT Received: from crvich@raleigh.ibm.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (624) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00622 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:44:03 GMT Received: from socks2.raleigh.ibm.com (socks2.raleigh.ibm.com [204.146.167.123]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20931 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:44:03 -0700 Received: from rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com by socks2.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/RTP-FW1.0) id AA50994; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:43:58 -0400 Received: from ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (ode1.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.178.164]) by rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/RTP-ral-1.1) with SMTP id MAA13882 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:43:55 -0400 Received: from odent1.raleigh.ibm.com by ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-RAL) id AA45226; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:43:54 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970722124244.008ff100@ode1> X-Sender: crvich@ode1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:42:44 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: [freestyle] Worlds bound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well, believe it or not I'm finally going to see a competition. I won't be competing myself, but I'll at least be there to see [part of] it in real life. I hope to see most of you guys and gals at the freestyle event on August 13th in Portland (I don't know if I'll have time to be there any other day, since I'll be sightseeing around Seattle, Portland, Eugene, and the Oregon coast that week to determine if I'll be moving there next year or not). -- Ernest M. Crvich Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 24 00:00:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA06660 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 00:00:22 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA06656 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 00:00:20 GMT From: swingert@creighton.edu Received: from swingert@creighton.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6653) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA06651 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 00:00:19 GMT Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07771 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:00:22 -0700 Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu by mailjay.creighton.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA147342398; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 18:59:58 -0500 Received: from localhost by bluejay.creighton.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA096882397; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 18:59:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 18:59:57 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: swingert@creighton.edu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Brian McKenzie Videos Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If anyone is interested in a few video clips from the Homecooked Shred Tape, you can check out my videos page: www.top.net/footbag/htmls/engaged/videos.html Brian Mckenzie is ripping it up, hitting 4's and 5's easily. There will be more soon... Thanks, Sean From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jul 25 02:54:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA07293 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:54:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA07281 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:53:56 GMT Received: from s9709652@jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (7278) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA07276 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:53:56 GMT Received: from rmit.EDU.AU (voga.rmit.EDU.AU [131.170.1.20]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23651 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:53:59 -0700 Received: from jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au (jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.EDU.AU [131.170.36.250]) by rmit.EDU.AU (8.8.6/8.7.3/voga/ram3/anti-SPAM) with ESMTP id MAA14352 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:53:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from POISSON/SpoolDir by jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au (Mercury 1.21); 25 Jul 97 12:55:23 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by POISSON (Mercury 1.21); 25 Jul 97 12:54:57 +1100 From: "LYNTON STEPHENS" Organization: Civil & Geological Engineering RMIT To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:54:55 EST-10 Subject: [freestyle] multiple Around-The-Worlds X-Confirm-Reading-To: "LYNTON STEPHENS" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <2C052FB295E@jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, I'm new on this list and since I am from Australia you will have to excuse my footbag-ignorance. Australia isn't exactly crawling with pro footbaggers (yet...) North America rules. Anyway, I have a couple of questions about the different types of Around-the-world. Around Christmas I began doing basic around the worlds and now I'm hitting double ATW about 80%, out-in, not as well in-out. Recently I found that if I take my shoes off, I can move around the bag much faster, due to the tighter circle and reduction in weight (I suppose that's cheating though, hey?) and I can nearly land triple ATW (out-in) on rare occasions. I get to the bag sometimes, but I am yet to stall the move. My question is, can the top players do this move reliably, and which direction is considered easier if any? Also, I read in Footbag World some sarcastic comment along the lines of "we will have a reduced gravity environment so that Rippin' Rick isn't the only one hitting quadruple around-the-worlds" At the time I thought this was a joke, but after reading about phat-dexterity moves like Triage and NEMESIS (barraging barfly) I am not so sure. Can somebody tell me if this is genuine or just a cruel joke? i.e. can Rippin' really bust quadruple ATW or not? It isn't listed on The Sock's database. greetings from Australia shred it up Nth America!! Lynton Stephens From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jul 25 03:32:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA07590 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 03:32:43 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA07586 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 03:32:42 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (7583) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA07581 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 03:32:41 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23881; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:18:50 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2C052FB295E@jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:22:05 -0700 To: "LYNTON STEPHENS" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] multiple Around-The-Worlds Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 5:54 AM -0700 7/25/97, LYNTON STEPHENS wrote: >My question is, can the top players do this move reliably, and which direction >is considered easier if any? Triple around-the-world is not really a common move at all. Very few people have ever hit it in shoes. Barefoot is another story -- it's easier in bare feet, and some people have hit it many times in bare feet. But shoes? No, not many people at all, and certainly not reliably. >Can somebody tell me if this is genuine or just a >cruel joke? i.e. can Rippin' really bust quadruple ATW or not? It >isn't listed on The Sock's database. No, Rippin' (as much of a god as he is) can't hit quadruple ATW. You can rest easy now. :-) There are quite a few possible quadruple-dexterity moves, however, but they don't involve the same difficulty as circling the bag four times with the same foot... (And nobody to date has hit one of those, either, as far as I know.) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jul 25 15:05:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00251 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:05:10 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00247 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:05:07 GMT From: delee@uism.bu.edu Received: from delee@uism.bu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (244) Received: from Market.NET ([140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00242 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:05:06 GMT Received: from BU.EDU (BU.EDU [128.197.27.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA28478 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:05:05 -0700 Received: from uism.bu.edu (UISM-OUT.BU.EDU [128.197.93.52]) by BU.EDU (8.6.13/) with SMTP id LAA02490 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:05:01 -0400 Received: from ccMail by uism.bu.edu (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA869853864; Fri, 25 Jul 97 11:03:43 EST Date: Fri, 25 Jul 97 11:03:43 EST Message-Id: <9706258698.AA869853864@uism.bu.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] move question Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i haven't tried this yet, but i'm sitting here in the office thinking about it: would a pogo paradox symposium mirage be a valid 5-add move? pogo set -> switch support legs -> symposium mirage. i guess your feet would have to move super quick to switch supporting legs after the pogo set. or would putting your setting leg on the ground right after the pogo set eliminate the pogo add? btw, the list.footbag.org archive is really cool! later Dennis From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jul 25 15:18:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00335 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:18:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00330 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:18:35 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (327) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00325 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:18:34 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28601 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:18:34 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15882 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:18:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] move question Message-Id: <000000254292952688986@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:23:06 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, Jul 25, 1997, 11:03:43 AM US CST delee@uism.bu.edu wrote: >setting leg on the ground right after the pogo set eliminate the pogo add? Yes, you lose the symposium add if you _ever_ plant the foot that had to be off the ground to make the move a symposium in the first place (well, _ever_ means up to and including the final contact of the move). -- Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jul 25 15:35:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00401 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:34:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00397 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:34:57 GMT From: delee@uism.bu.edu Received: from delee@uism.bu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (394) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00391 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:34:56 GMT Received: from BU.EDU (BU.EDU [128.197.27.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA28751 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:34:56 -0700 Received: from uism.bu.edu (UISM-OUT.BU.EDU [128.197.93.52]) by BU.EDU (8.6.13/) with SMTP id LAA05926 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:34:53 -0400 Received: from ccMail by uism.bu.edu (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA869855669; Fri, 25 Jul 97 11:32:52 EST Date: Fri, 25 Jul 97 11:32:52 EST Message-Id: <9706258698.AA869855669@uism.bu.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move question Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org so pogo paradox mirage doesn't count as 5 add? how about symposium blur? the foot that has to be off the ground _starts_ on the ground! same with paradox symposium whirl. how many adds? what's the deal? am i missing something? Dennis _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: [freestyle] move question From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) at SMTPOUT Date: 7/25/97 11:23 AM On Fri, Jul 25, 1997, 11:03:43 AM US CST delee@uism.bu.edu wrote: >setting leg on the ground right after the pogo set eliminate the pogo add? Yes, you lose the symposium add if you _ever_ plant the foot that had to be off the ground to make the move a symposium in the first place (well, _ever_ means up to and including the final contact of the move). -- Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jul 25 15:49:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00456 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:49:37 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00452 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:49:36 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (449) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00447 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:49:35 GMT Received: from f49.hotmail.com (F49.hotmail.com [207.82.250.60]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28896 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:49:35 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by f49.hotmail.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA27966; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707251549.IAA27966@f49.hotmail.com> Received: from 38.249.188.172 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:49:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [38.249.188.172] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move question Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:49:35 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > >so pogo paradox mirage doesn't count as 5 add? > >how about symposium blur? the foot that has to be off the ground _starts_ on >the ground! same with paradox symposium whirl. how many adds? > >what's the deal? am i missing something? > >Dennis When it comes to adds, we're all missing plenty. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jul 25 16:26:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00686 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:26:15 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00682 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:26:14 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (679) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00677 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:26:13 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29289 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:26:14 -0700 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id MEX22250; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:24:16 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:19:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] move question Message-ID: <19970725.121935.12294.2.dervish@juno.com> References: <199707251549.IAA27966@f49.hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-9,12,16-18 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >> >>When it comes to adds, we're all missing plenty. > >how about symposium blur? the foot that has to be off the ground _starts_ on >the ground! same with paradox symposium whirl. how many adds? > >what's the deal? am i missing something? 1. *Yes*, Dan. 2. Yes, it is, Dennis. Symposium blur is a set,. then a plant. It's hard to picture, but with blur it's the *backside* dexterity that is symposium. Imagine Paradox symposium mirage, but with the extra mirage. So, Miraging paradox symposium mirage. 5add. PSWhirl is a little different, the set is more like paradox whirl, you set and plant, but you turn into it, so you have more time. Also five big adds, because you're catching it on the (supposedly harder) clipper. jp From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Jul 25 18:16:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01505 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:16:23 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01501 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:16:21 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1498) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01496 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:16:21 GMT Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.70.126.131]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA30752 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:16:22 -0700 Received: from [207.70.66.79] (d79.cloud.interaccess.com [207.70.66.79]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA13767; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:15:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:31:31 -0700 To: delee@uism.bu.edu, freestyle@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [freestyle] move question Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Dennis! >i haven't tried this yet, but i'm sitting here in the office thinking about it: > >would a pogo paradox symposium mirage be a valid 5-add move? pogo set -> >switch >support legs -> symposium mirage. i guess your feet would have to move super >quick to switch supporting legs after the pogo set. or would putting your >setting leg on the ground right after the pogo set eliminate the pogo add? No. Not in my book. But more importantly, it is an excellent "unique move"... those are worth ten times more (literally) than adds in a full blown worlds style judging system. If you are thinking like that you are on the right track. Variety rules, innovation follows! See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Jul 28 19:23:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01858 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:23:14 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01854 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:23:13 GMT Received: from 00201887@bigred.unl.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1851) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA01849 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:23:12 GMT Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00938 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 12:23:14 -0700 Received: (from 00201887@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) id OAA00274 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:22:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Theron A Troxel <00201887@bigred.unl.edu> Message-Id: <199707281922.OAA00274@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: [freestyle] gyro help To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:22:17 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, Can anyone give me help on the gryo concept. I have been trying gyro butterflies and whirls. I just can't seem to spin around fast enough. Thanks!! -- --------------------------- @ Theron Troxel \_|_/ 465-8363 | o UNLFC President /_\_ 00201887@bigred.unl.edu \ ------------------------------------- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Jul 28 19:58:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02143 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:58:49 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02139 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:58:48 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2136) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02134 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:58:48 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01612; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 12:58:47 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199707281922.OAA00274@bigred.unl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:02:28 -0700 To: Theron A Troxel <00201887@bigred.unl.edu> From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] gyro help Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:22 PM -0700 7/28/97, Theron A Troxel wrote: >Can anyone give me help on the gryo concept. I have been trying gyro >butterflies and whirls. I just can't seem to spin around fast enough. Start with spinning osis and gyrating mirage. Don't try the harder gyro moves until you've mastered the basic ones. Spinning osis is not a gyro move, but it helps you learn the set and footwork. From a right clipper set, spin away and hit a left spinning osis. Gyrating mirage is the simplest of the gyro moves (I think). Spin away from a right clipper set and without planting your right leg, keep spinning into a mirage (in-out dexterity) with the right leg, catching on a left toe. When you've mastered those (which I still haven't), write back for more advice. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 29 00:18:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04047 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:18:38 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04043 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:18:35 GMT Received: from s9709652@jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4040) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA04038 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:18:34 GMT Received: from rmit.EDU.AU (voga.rmit.EDU.AU [131.170.1.20]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04966 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:18:33 -0700 Received: from jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au (jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.EDU.AU [131.170.36.250]) by rmit.EDU.AU (8.8.6/8.7.3/voga/ram3/anti-SPAM) with ESMTP id KAA11019 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:18:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from POISSON/SpoolDir by jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au (Mercury 1.21); 29 Jul 97 10:19:41 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by POISSON (Mercury 1.21); 29 Jul 97 10:19:12 +1100 From: "LYNTON STEPHENS" Organization: Civil & Geological Engineering RMIT To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:19:07 EST-10 Subject: [freestyle] ATW variations Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <101EC0020B@jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, Lynton from Australia here again. Thanks for the info on my earlier question. Yes, Rippin is a god - symosium whirling swirl to ripstein (OUCH). Anyway: The last 6 months I've been doing a whole lot of 2 (& 3) add moves which are variations on the around the world, except they use inner stalls and outer stalls and a few unu. surfs. They make for good variety, but the thing is, do these have names or are they considered just around-the-world stalls? (in freestyle judging are they considered the same?) For example: toe stall > dexterity (either direction) > inner stall toe stall > dexterity (either direction) > outer stall toe stall > dexterity (either direction) > knee stall inner stall > dexterity (either direction) > inner stall outer stall > dexterity (either direction) > outer stall also, toe > out-in dex to either calf (cloud stall) or sole stall or heel stall or squeeze. and the best looking of all: inner stall > double dex (out-in) outer stall (I call it Corkscrew) This is a pretty basic question, but it's been bugging me. I use these moves a lot since I'm not up to doing whirls or torques. shred it up some more Lynton Stephens From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 29 00:52:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04235 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:52:45 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04231 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:52:44 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4228) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA04226 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:52:43 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05317; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:52:44 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <101EC0020B@jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:56:18 -0700 To: "LYNTON STEPHENS" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] ATW variations Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 3:19 AM -0700 7/29/97, LYNTON STEPHENS wrote: >but the thing is, do these have names or are they considered just >around-the-world stalls? (in freestyle judging are they considered >the same?) For example: >toe stall > dexterity (either direction) > inner stall >toe stall > dexterity (either direction) > outer stall >toe stall > dexterity (either direction) > knee stall >inner stall > dexterity (either direction) > inner stall The set never matters, so it's only the dexterity and catch that matter. Each unique dexterity direction and catch combination is a unique move (see below); so each of the (ambiguous) moves you list is unique. Are they interesting? No, not in and of themselves; we usually combine them with other motions to make more interesting moves. :-) >inner stall > double dex (out-in) outer stall (I call it Corkscrew) First of all, there's already a move "corkscrew", which is really the same move as "refraction" but with more of a spin than a carry. Secondly, I can't answer your question as to what that move really is because you are using ambiguous notation... You keep mentioning "inner > outer .." but you're not mentioning WHICH FOOT. The key to "Job's Notation" that we use on this list is the one thing you keep leaving out: OP and SAME! They are key. The issue is: are you doing the dexterity and catch (and set) with the SAME foot/leg or with ALTERNATING feet? So for instance, taking your first line from above, there could be eight different interpretations! >toe stall > dexterity (either direction) > inner stall could mean: (1) toe > op in dex > op inside inside mirage (2) toe > op out dex > op inside inside reverse-mirage (3) toe > same in dex > same inside inside atw (4) toe > same out dex > same inside inside atw (other way) (5) toe > op in dex > same inside guay (pronounced "gwhy") (6) toe > op out dex > same inside inside switchover/legover (7) toe > same in dex > op inside pixie inside delay (8) toe > same out dex > op inside fairy inside delay Each of these 8 variations is necessarily a different move in our system. I've put the name of each move to the right of each expression. This is just an expansion of *one* line of your text above! Remember -- "same" means "same as foot/leg in last segment", and "op" means "opposite of foot/leg in previous segment". Segments are things between ">"s. The segments are relative to each other, not to the set, so that you can use the same pattern for moves that are related but that have different beginnings, and still recognize their similarities notationally. So if you want an answer to your other question about the double-dexterity, please be sure to say which foot does what... If you mean "same foot does all" then you're talking about an inside double around-the-world (the other way around). I don't think there's a special name for it. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 29 04:22:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA05488 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:22:38 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA05482 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:22:35 GMT Received: from 00201887@bigred.unl.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5479) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA05477 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:22:35 GMT Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07569; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:22:40 -0700 Received: (from 00201887@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) id XAA00621; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 23:15:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Theron A Troxel <00201887@bigred.unl.edu> Message-Id: <199707290415.XAA00621@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] ATW variations To: brat@footbag.org (Steve Goldberg) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 23:15:16 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: from "Steve Goldberg" at Jul 28, 97 05:56:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, > Secondly, I can't answer your question as to what that move really >is because you are using ambiguous notation... You keep mentioning >"inner > outer .." but you're not mentioning WHICH FOOT. The key to "Job's > Notation" that we use on this list is the one thing you keep leaving >out: OP and SAME! They are key. The issue is: are you doing the >dexterity and catch (and set) with the SAME foot/leg or with ALTERNATING feet? That's a big no-no on the freestyle listserve. You have to use BEN JOB'S notation =). If not, you are going to recieve 1000 lashes with a wet noodle by Steve =). Oh, Steve thanks for the help on the gyro moves. I will have to give it a try tomorrow. Later!!!-- --------------------------- @ Theron Troxel \_|_/ 465-8363 | o UNLFC President /_\_ 00201887@bigred.unl.edu \ ------------------------------------- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 29 04:44:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA05557 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:44:54 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA05553 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:44:53 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5550) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA05548 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:44:53 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07762 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:44:59 -0700 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ADO25742; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:44:27 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:40:21 -0400 Subject: [freestyle] gyro Message-ID: <19970729.004022.3262.1.dervish@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-3,5,7,9,12-17 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Since Theron is on the subject, I thought I might spark a little life into the thread. Why is 'gyro mirage' considered "gyro"? Is 'gyro' a specific spin, or the stop afterwards, and switching to the other way? The first gyro move was gyro butterfly, much like spinning butterfly except for the stop and change in direction. Right? Following the same line of logic, Why is "gyro mirage" not actually spinning mirage? I think that what I called "spinning paradox mirage", ( or was it gyro paradox, or spinning paradox?_ I haven't the energy to check the archive) should actually be called *gyro*. Thoughts? Hope I haven't confused anyone, jp From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 29 04:51:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA05607 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:51:54 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA05603 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:51:53 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5600) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA05598 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:51:53 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07837; Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:51:40 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19970729.004022.3262.1.dervish@juno.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:55:24 -0700 To: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] gyro Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Josh Penney wrote: >Since Theron is on the subject, I thought I might spark a little life >into the thread. >Why is 'gyro mirage' considered "gyro"? >Is 'gyro' a specific spin, or the stop afterwards, and switching to the >other way? I've always understood it as an away-spinning dexterity with the setting foot into anything. >The first gyro move was gyro butterfly, much like spinning butterfly >except for the stop and change in direction. Right? Sort of. It's not just the change in direction but also the dexterity with the setting foot that never gets planted. So the fun part of gyro is in making the spin after the set, without planting, and also doing a dexterity with the same foot (out-in in the case of the original gyro, but in-out in most other cases). >Following the same line of logic, Why is "gyro mirage" not actually >spinning mirage? In this case I don't think it'd be erroneous to use the same term for both. Moves can have many names... "Spinning mirage" might be a more technical name for gyro mirage in this case. >I think that what I called "spinning paradox mirage", ( or was it gyro >paradox, or spinning paradox?_ I haven't the energy to check the archive) >should actually be called *gyro*. Well, the paradox version involves a plant or at least the other foot doing the dexterity -- this is definitely *not* the gyro concept as it is currently used (and certainly does not apply to the original gyro where the dexterity is with the same foot). That's why people have said gyro and paradox are mutually exclusive -- because if the dexterity is with the same foot, you can't have both paradox and gyro. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 29 13:36:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA07221 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:36:14 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA07211 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:36:10 GMT Received: from anaro@sas.upenn.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (7208) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA07206 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:36:09 GMT Received: from mail1.sas.upenn.edu (MAIL1.SAS.UPENN.EDU [165.123.26.32]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA11099 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 06:36:19 -0700 Received: (from anaro@localhost) by mail1.sas.upenn.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3/SAS.03) id JAA23843; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:35:47 -0400 (EDT) From: anaro@sas.upenn.edu (Alessandre S Naro) Message-Id: <199707291335.JAA23843@mail1.sas.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] gyro To: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <19970729.004022.3262.1.dervish@juno.com> from "Josh Penney" at Jul 29, 97 00:40:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Josh, As I understand it, gyro just means "a set that travels behind your back only before the next move" (i.e. mirage). A spinning mirage travels behind your back, and then in front of your body before you do the dex. Dave Hillis does this all the time, easily. An example would be right clipper set, spin, left mirage dex, right toe stall. I guess some people might argue that this is paradox, but whatever. A gyro mirage is what is done before a mobius. A gyrating osis is caught by the same foot that sets the bag. It's also called peaking osis. Speaking of which has anyone hit a Peking Duck yet? I've tried, but I get all tangled up. Eric W. maybe? Hope this helps the gyro confusion. Later, Alex From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 29 14:25:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA07503 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:25:35 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA07499 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:25:33 GMT Received: from dervish@juno.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (7496) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA07494 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:25:33 GMT Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11544 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 07:25:43 -0700 Received: (from dervish@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id KSG28308; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:23:51 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:59:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [freestyle] gyro (and duck) Message-ID: <19970729.101929.3294.2.dervish@juno.com> References: <199707291335.JAA23843@mail1.sas.upenn.edu> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-7,9-17,19-22 From: dervish@juno.com (Josh Penney) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:35:47 -0400 (EDT) anaro@sas.upenn.edu (Alessandre S Naro) writes: >A gyro mirage is what is done before a mobius. A gyrating osis is >caught by the same foot that sets the bag. It's also called peaking >osis. Wasn't a peek a "no-add" flourish? like, setting from your clipper, starting to spin away from it, and then going back to osis (without spinning) on the setting foot? >Speaking of which has anyone hit a Peking Duck yet? I've >tried, but I get all tangled up. Eric W. maybe? Hey, didn't I think of that? Thanks Alex, and Steve. ps. Naro - next time you're coming into town try to give me the 2 hour warning and I'll make the time to shred. jp From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Jul 29 16:41:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00662 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:36:10 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00658 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:36:07 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (655) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00653 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:36:07 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.194] (brat_194.bayarea.net [205.219.91.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12928 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:36:07 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199707291335.JAA23843@mail1.sas.upenn.edu> References: <19970729.004022.3262.1.dervish@juno.com> from "Josh Penney" at Jul 29, 97 00:40:21 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:39:46 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] gyro Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 6:35 AM -0700 7/29/97, Alessandre S Naro wrote: >An example would >be right clipper set, spin, left mirage dex, right toe stall. I guess >some people might argue that this is paradox, but whatever. That is not a gyrating mirage... Gyrating mirage would be if you did a right clipper set, spin away, and without planting first, continuing to spin while doing a RIGHT mirage dexterity into a left toe stall (at which point you plant your right foot). The move you're describing is what Josh called a "spinning paradox mirage". That's definitely the area in question here -- what do we call spinning paradox moves, and are they really paradox? I personally think they are.. Take "Marius", for example -- a spinning paradox torque (which is the same concept as Mobius, bot harder -- the dexterity leg has to go much farther (past the bag and then back again) to hit the dexterity before the osis. >A gyrating osis is caught by the same foot that sets the bag. There is no gyrating osis. >It's also called peaking osis. Oh, yeah, that's definitely not a gyro move.. That's just a cute clipper-set osis with a fakie spinning set. But you don't really spin, so it can't be gyrating. (Not to mention, and I believe my definition will stand the test of time -- gyrating requires that a dexterity be performed by the setting foot.) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 30 03:07:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA02379 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 03:06:10 GMT Received: from stoney-r@smartnet.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1364) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA01358 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 00:16:55 GMT Received: from sleepy.ponyexpress.net (sleepy.ponyexpress.net [206.52.52.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA19204 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:16:55 -0700 Received: from sleepy.ponyexpress.net by sleepy.ponyexpress.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA08874; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 19:15:30 -0500 Message-ID: <33DE8906.4795@smartnet.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 19:21:26 -0500 From: Josh Bowen Reply-To: stoney-r@ponyexpress.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Dollywood Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey is anyone gonna be near Dollywood next week? I'm gonna be at a family reunion around there next week and was hoping for a little freestyle to salvage the week. (Please don't make fun of my family) If anyone is let me know. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 30 11:43:36 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id LAA03961 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:43:28 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id LAA03957 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:43:26 GMT Received: from footbag13@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3954) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA03952 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:43:25 GMT From: Footbag13@aol.com Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA24445 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 04:43:31 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id HAA09266 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970730074329_95978505@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] symposium?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey now! This is my first posting here so let me introduce myself. My name is Jason Phillips, I’m 22, I live in Illinois and I’ve been kicking for about 6 years now. I’ve got a question that’s been bending my mind today… I’ve been pulling off paradox dada curves lately fairly consistently. I haven’t checked any official sources yet but I’m pretty sure that this is a 5 add move (paradox (1)+dada curve (4)). It was just this morning though that it occurred to me that my set foot never touches the ground, my other leg does a dexterity and I set and stall with the same foot. Wouldn’t that make it also a symposium? I was thinking that it would be almost humanly impossible to do a paradox dada without doing it symposium so this might cancel out the symposium add. The only reason I ask this question is because I find it extremely hard to believe that I’m doing a 6 add move here (symposium paradox dada curve). Hopefully some one can set me straight… I appreciate it… Jason Phillips - Ground Phlör Digs From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 30 14:42:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA04773 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:42:04 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA04769 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:42:02 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4766) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA04764 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:42:01 GMT Received: from f35.hotmail.com (F35.hotmail.com [207.82.250.46]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA25635 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:42:08 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by f35.hotmail.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA00406; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707301441.HAA00406@f35.hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.232.26 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:41:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.232.26] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium?? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:41:58 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wouldn't that makeit also a symposium? I was thinking that it would be almost humanly impossible to do a paradox dada without doing it symposium so this might cancel out the symposium add. The only reason I ask this question is because I find it extremely hard to believe that I'm doing a 6 add move here (symposium paradox dada curve). Hopefully some one can set me straight I appreciate it Jason Phillips Jason, -The funny thing is, as the add system exists today, that IS a 6 add move. However, no add-counter would give you the full 6 in a competition. He/she would probably give you only 4 adds, 5 if you make it look really, really good, 6 if and only if you accentuated the paradox, and symposiumness unbelievably well (ain't gonna happen). Making the move look paradox isn't so bad, but that symposium add is a whole other issue. By the way, for this move to be even called a dada curve, you need to accentuate both dexes. Don't do refractions! Question to all: If we are to accept pogo (symposium clipper-mirage set), wouldn't we also have to accept the reverse of this move, symposium butterfly? (Same dex, different direction) Happy Shredding, Dan Kramer Adds are bunk! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 30 14:42:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA04790 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:42:14 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA04786 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:42:13 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4783) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA04781 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:42:12 GMT Received: from f78.hotmail.com (F78.hotmail.com [207.82.250.184]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA25640 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:42:19 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by f78.hotmail.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA18177; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707301442.HAA18177@f78.hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.232.26 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:42:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.232.26] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium?? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:42:07 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wouldn't that makeit also a symposium? I was thinking that it would be almost humanly impossible to do a paradox dada without doing it symposium so this might cancel out the symposium add. The only reason I ask this question is because I find it extremely hard to believe that I'm doing a 6 add move here (symposium paradox dada curve). Hopefully some one can set me straight I appreciate it Jason Phillips Jason, -The funny thing is, as the add system exists today, that IS a 6 add move. However, no add-counter would give you the full 6 in a competition. He/she would probably give you only 4 adds, 5 if you make it look really, really good, 6 if and only if you accentuated the paradox, and symposiumness unbelievably well (ain't gonna happen). Making the move look paradox isn't so bad, but that symposium add is a whole other issue. By the way, for this move to be even called a dada curve, you need to accentuate both dexes. Don't do refractions! Question to all: If we are to accept pogo (symposium clipper-mirage set), wouldn't we also have to accept the reverse of this move, symposium butterfly? (Same dex, different direction) Happy Shredding, Dan Kramer Adds are bunk! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 30 15:10:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00300 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:09:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00296 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:09:51 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (293) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00291 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:09:51 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25919 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:09:37 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23633 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:09:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium?? Message-Id: <000000262172953120459@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:14:19 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, Jul 30, 1997, 9:41:58 AM US CST Daniel Kramer wrote: >-The funny thing is, as the add system exists today, that IS a 6 add >move. However, no add-counter would give you the full 6 The "reason" for this is because symposium butterfly moves are pretty generally discounted. >Question to all: If we are to accept pogo (symposium clipper-mirage >set), wouldn't we also have to accept the reverse of this move, >symposium butterfly? (Same dex, different direction) Good point. Somewhere back in history, one of the founding BAP members stated that symposium butterfy moves are almost always "lame and 'the'". To some extent, I agree, and I think the mirage direction is a bit harder than the butterfly direction. But you're right: this is another instance of real-world inconsistent application of the add system. "...'When two vowels go out walking, the first one does the talking.' which is fine until, on closer examination, you find there are two words in that phrase that don't follow that rule." ---from the book "Why Children Fail" -- Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 30 18:20:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01268 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:20:07 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01264 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:20:05 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1261) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01259 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:20:04 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F81.hotmail.com [207.82.250.187]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28007 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:20:06 -0700 Received: (qmail 11076 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 1997 18:20:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19970730182005.11075.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.232.25 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:20:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.232.25] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] delays Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:20:05 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Can someone with worlds judging expertise answer this question for me: What constitutes a unique delay? Would an around-the-world and a double-around-the-world (same foot/direction) be considered one or two delays? Happy Shredding, Dan Kramer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 30 18:33:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01313 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:33:44 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01309 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:33:43 GMT Received: from scalf@infoserv.utdallas.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1306) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01304 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:33:42 GMT Received: from utdallas.edu (utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28205 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:33:43 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by utdallas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26616; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:33:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from infoserv.utdallas.edu by utdallas.edu (Brelay v6.01) with BLIMP; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:33:41 CDT Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:33:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Derric Scalf To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] variety question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In the IFAB rulebook, section 505.2 D, it says this: D. Composition score: A maximum of 10 points. A score of .1 point is awarded for each unique move that contains an add in each category. The term unique move is what I have a question about. All of the time, I hear that the set doesn't matter... only the dex and the stall. So, are left and right considered different? After trying whirls on my left side, I know they sure *feel* different :) What about where you stall? if I do an ATW stall on inside, is that considered unique from ATW stalled outside, or toe? Seems like the answer would be yes, but what do I know? By the way, whoever made that rulebook did a damn good job. I'm glad it wasn't me. Next question: When trying to do (not doing yet) paradox whirls set from left clipper, The dex with my left leg hurts my hip. It just doesn't want to bend that way. The dex on my right feels ok. Just wondering if there were any good stretching exercises for a hip. Maybe a web page with some stretches? I haven't found one yet. Thanks. -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 30 18:45:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01370 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:45:17 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01366 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:45:16 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1363) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01361 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:45:15 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net ([206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28378 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:45:13 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01552 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:44:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] delays Message-Id: <000000262612953133355@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:49:15 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, Jul 30, 1997, 1:20:05 PM US CST Daniel Kramer wrote: >What constitutes a unique delay? Would an around-the-world and a >double-around-the-world (same foot/direction) be considered one or two >delays Each final surface is unique. Each dexterity direction is unique Each side of the body is unique Single Dex's are different that double dex's are different that triple dex's Yes, each of those moves are considered different from each other. -- Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 30 18:49:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01406 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:49:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01402 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:49:02 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1399) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01397 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:49:02 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28427 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:49:04 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01680 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:49:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] variety question Message-Id: <000000262622953133626@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:53:46 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, Jul 30, 1997, 1:33:40 PM US CST Derric Scalf wrote: >left and right considered different? Yes. >What about where you stall? if I do >an ATW stall on inside, is that considered unique from ATW stalled >outside, or toe? Yes. See my response to the other message about unique ATW's. >Next question: When trying to do (not doing yet) paradox whirls set from >left clipper, The dex with my left leg hurts my hip. It just doesn't want >to bend that way. Examine the rotation of your body. You probably have a tendency to pivot in one direction far more readily than the other. This very subtle difference in body rotation can put a great deal more stress on one side vs the other for moves like pdw whirl. -- Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 30 20:13:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02139 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:12:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02135 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:12:56 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2132) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02130 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:12:56 GMT Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29741 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:12:58 -0700 Received: from [207.70.66.139] (d139.cloud.interaccess.com [207.70.66.139]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA10780; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:09:24 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:28:14 -0700 To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF), freestyle@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [freestyle] variety question Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi freestylers! >>left and right considered different? > >Yes. Unique moves can be very subtly different as well. (Doing a move on both sides, you definately get a unique move for each) i.e. Lap catch Spinning Left Lap catch Spinning Right Lap catch Stepping Lap catch Flying Lap catch Very similar, yet very different... hmm... This applies to all moves... hmm... See ya! Scott. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 30 20:19:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02213 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:19:13 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02209 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:19:12 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2206) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02204 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:19:11 GMT Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29854 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:19:14 -0700 Received: from [207.70.66.139] (d139.cloud.interaccess.com [207.70.66.139]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA11803 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:16:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:34:42 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: [freestyle] IFAB Meeting Topics for Freestyle committee Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi freestylers! I am preparing for worlds, and along with my own projects for the IFAB, I would like to make an open request to freestylers to speak their mind. So if you have any subjects that "need to be heard" or if you have any rule changes that you think need to be made to the Freestyle portion of the IFAB Rules Book, then this is your chance. Of course, there is no guarantee that your topic will be followed through on, but we will certainly think through your concerns, thoughts or feelings and address them appropriately. A new regime of "openness". Glasnost. Freestyle Rulz! Scott Davidson Chair, IFAB Freestyle Committee From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 30 20:51:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02534 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:51:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02530 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:51:20 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2527) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02525 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:51:19 GMT Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA30402 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:51:22 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA03048 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:51:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sjx-ca58-56.ix.netcom.com(205.186.122.184) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma002919; Wed Jul 30 15:50:32 1997 Message-ID: <33DFAC6D.2267@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:06:28 -0700 From: Mike Niday Reply-To: proshred@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Rippin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Rippin and his Mom are fine, and their houses weren't damaged at all, in case anybody was wondering. :-) Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Jul 30 22:58:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03322 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:58:32 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03318 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:58:30 GMT Received: from ericwindsor@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3315) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03313 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:58:29 GMT Received: from f3.hotmail.com (F3.hotmail.com [207.82.250.14]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA31779 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:58:33 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by f3.hotmail.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17622; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707302258.PAA17622@f3.hotmail.com> Received: from 207.155.18.100 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:58:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.155.18.100] From: "Eric Windsor" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Rippin Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:58:23 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Rippin and his Mom are fine, and their houses weren't damaged at all, in >case anybody was wondering. > > Is Ripping gonna be at worlds? Hope so. eric windsor 0 /|\ o \\ _// ` ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 31 01:03:28 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA03980 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 01:03:24 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA03976 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 01:03:16 GMT Received: from rassbach@nilenet.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3973) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA03971 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 01:03:16 GMT Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA00350 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:03:20 -0700 Received: from slip26.den.nilenet.net (slip26.den.nilenet.net [206.247.98.26]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA14992; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:59:59 -0600 Message-ID: <33DEA10C.1F74@nilenet.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 19:03:56 -0700 From: Walter Rassbach X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Windsor CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Rippin References: <199707302258.PAA17622@f3.hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric Windsor wrote: > > >Rippin and his Mom are fine, and their houses weren't damaged at all, > in > >case anybody was wondering. > > > > > > Is Ripping gonna be at worlds? > Hope so. > > eric windsor > 0 > /|\ > o \\ > _// > ` > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I sure hope so too. (Actually, I know so ;-}). Genzu (back on the list ...finally) From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 31 20:39:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03043 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:38:49 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03039 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:38:46 GMT Received: from ericwindsor@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3036) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA03034 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:38:45 GMT Received: from f70.hotmail.com (F70.hotmail.com [207.82.250.156]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10090 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:38:47 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by f70.hotmail.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09193; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707312038.NAA09193@f70.hotmail.com> Received: from 207.155.18.103 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:38:46 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.155.18.103] From: "Eric Windsor" To: freestyle@footbag.org Cc: swingert@creighton.edu Subject: Re: [freestyle] Brian McKenzie Videos Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:38:46 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >If anyone is interested in a few video clips from the Homecooked >Shred >Tape, you can check out my videos page: > www.top.net/footbag/htmls/engaged/videos.html >Brian Mckenzie is ripping it up, hitting 4's and 5's easily. There >will be >more soon... >Thanks, >Sean I think i want to get the video for this, but im not sure how to get it. I also had a few questions about it. 1. is it edited to show only good runs? 2. How long is it? 3. How much? 4. Where do i send the check? If this tape is anything like Tuans video's i will DEFINATELY buy it. eric windsor 0 /|\ 0 \\ _// ` ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Jul 31 20:50:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03195 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:50:24 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03191 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:50:23 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3188) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA03186 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:50:22 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [206.27.194.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10197 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:50:24 -0700 Received: from mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [206.27.195.3]) by trib1.trib.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA04969 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:50:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Brian McKenzie Videos Message-Id: <000000264562953227307@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:55:07 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, Jul 31, 1997, 3:38:46 PM US CST Eric Windsor wrote: >>Brian Mckenzie is ripping it up, hitting 4's and 5's easily. There >I also had a few questions about it. Don't ask. You might as well get some video of McKenzie before he gets really good. -- Derrick