From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 3 01:16:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04823 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:15:41 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04819 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:15:40 GMT Received: from ericwindsor@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4816) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA04814 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:15:39 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F11.hotmail.com [207.82.250.22]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA08092 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:15:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 19676 invoked by uid 0); 3 Sep 1997 01:15:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19970903011543.19675.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.184.226.94 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Sep 1997 18:15:43 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.184.226.94] From: "Eric Windsor" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Name for Leg-Beating Whirl Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 18:15:43 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all you stylers, I waz just wondering if anyone out there has hit a leg beater, but instead of doing a butterfly as the second dexterity, you do a whirl. If there is no name for it, I call it a reactor. This one took some skoolin. right toe>op out-in>op in-out>left clipper Eric Windsor O /|\ o \\ _// ` http://www.javaconnection.com/oopsfootbag ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 4 00:12:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA05126 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:12:18 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA05121 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:12:17 GMT Received: from adrabek@eagle.cc.ukans.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5118) Received: from eagle.cc.ukans.edu (eagle.cc.ukans.edu [129.237.34.3]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA05114; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:12:12 GMT Received: from localhost by eagle.cc.ukans.edu (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/12Jan95-0207PM) id AA23800; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:12:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:12:11 -0500 (CDT) From: DRABEK To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Cc: freestyle-digest@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] In need of ride to Ozo Open In-Reply-To: <199709032350.XAA04924@eniac.yak.net.taz> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What's up freestylers! A kid on my floor is from Springfield and was planning to go home the same weekend as the Ozarks Open and now he isn't. So if anybody is heading out there and would be willing to swing by Lawrence, Kansas, and has room in their car, I would be willing to kick down gas $$. Thanx. P.S. is a rt. clip>in out op> rt. eclipse called a blurry or pogo eclipse? I'm not planting my set foot so I'm leaning towards pogo but what do you guys think? Andrew Drabek Kansas University Ellsworth 3E From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 4 04:28:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA06570 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 04:28:54 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA06566 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 04:28:53 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6563) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA06561 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 04:28:52 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24414 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:28:58 -0700 Received: from coffee.cs.uidaho.edu (coffee.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.77]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.1) with ESMTP id VAA26616 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by coffee.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.0) with SMTP id VAA22504 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:28:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: coffee.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:28:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] rod laver accident Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I got ahold of some deceivingly sharp scissors, and I accidentally poked a hole through the outer nylon mesh of my new shoes! Man, does that bite. Does anyone know of a way to fix it so that the hole doesn't spread? My mom suggested that I use some of her FrayCheck that stops fraying of fabric hems and seams, but I just don't know. Perhaps I should dab some freesole on there? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 4 16:08:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00600 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:07:05 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00592 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:07:01 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (589) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00587 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:06:58 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29261 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:06:57 -0700 Received: from coffee.cs.uidaho.edu (coffee.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.77]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.1) with ESMTP id JAA07828 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by coffee.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.0) with SMTP id JAA22963 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:06:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: coffee.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:06:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] worlds results :( Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org That makes me feel real great that I got LAST place in intermediate freestyle. Even the guy who just kicked it really damn high over and over and over beat me?!!? ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 4 18:58:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01890 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:58:43 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01886 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:58:42 GMT Received: from marigold@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1883) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01881 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:58:41 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA32104 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:58:43 -0700 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19574 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Verhoef Anne To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Paradox DBL Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, If anyone out there has some tips on paradox double legover, it would be appreciated. Thanks, Adrian -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 4 20:05:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02683 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:05:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02679 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:05:33 GMT Received: from joshb@emair.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2676) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02674 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:05:32 GMT Received: from emair.com ([207.53.162.234]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00449 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:05:33 -0700 Received: from Empire-Message_Server by emair.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Sep 1997 13:15:01 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 13:09:27 -0700 From: Josh Bright To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Torque Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, I am trying to get torques down, and I was wondering if it was still a torque if you set it from a right toe delay instead of a clipper, and if anyone has any tips they would like to share on the Torque, I would love to hear them. Josh joshb@emair.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 4 20:47:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03000 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:47:05 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02996 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:47:04 GMT Received: from crvich@raleigh.ibm.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2993) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02991 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:47:03 GMT Received: from fwns2.raleigh.ibm.com (fwns2d.raleigh.ibm.com [204.146.167.236]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00868 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:47:05 -0700 Received: from rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com (rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.172.48]) by fwns2.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7RTP-FW1.1) with ESMTP id QAA42978 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (ode1.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.178.164]) by rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/RTP-ral-1.1) with SMTP id QAA32184 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:47:04 -0400 Received: from odent1.raleigh.ibm.com by ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-RAL) id AA26940; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:46:57 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970904164600.00906970@ode1> X-Sender: crvich@ode1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:46:00 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox DBL In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >If anyone out there has some tips on paradox double legover, it would be >appreciated. Interesting that you ask...a few days ago I actually hit two of them (one on each side) with a Butterfly in between. Yow! (I was happy ;-)! I usually set the bag at almost chest-height, turn into it slightly, go over high with the first leg, lower and quicker with the second. The thing that kills me on any dbl leg over (toe-set, clipper-set, pdx, etc.) is forgetting that the second leg doesn't need to go nearly as high as the first. Good luck! -- Ernest M. Crvich http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 5 07:04:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA07274 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 07:04:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA07270 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 07:04:18 GMT Received: from nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (7267) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA07265 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 07:04:17 GMT Received: from ncsa.uiuc.edu (sdgmail.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.103.66]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA09282 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:04:23 -0700 Received: from void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (void [141.142.103.20]) by ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA29823 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:05:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nhall@localhost) by void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id CAA00512; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:07:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:07:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicholas Hall To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] What's New... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Howdy all- I haven't been on the list in a while (been packing) but I though I'd take a minute to drop in my three cents worth on all the raging controversies (not two cents because some of the threads are old, and inflation has set in :) The magic hop is a wondrous thing for freestyle- I know because I started doing it as a matter of course to make my stalling drills easier, without realizing it was a "fundamental." Steve- Kudos to you for trying to keep the "email virus" thing from going out- those messages are indeed useless. Anyone who wants official virus info, look to CERT advisories at CMU. Anything "new virus" warning that isn't forwarded from CERT or a hardware manufacturer is almost certainly BS. Congrats to all the new BAP members! Catch up to you boys in a decade or so... On to the move questions: Is there such a thing as a paradox swirl? In a session, I executed the following: toe set > same swirl. No spinning or nothing, just a right toe set to a right swirl stall, and a knowledgeable someone said, "Wow, a paradox swirl." Now, true, the setting foot does execute the dex, and true, the final contact is cross body (forget what-all else defines paradox), but the move just isn't really much damned harder than any other swirl. No hip-pivot. What's the deal? Ducking/diving eclipses kick ass! If I could, I'd try setting diving moves with an eclipse, but I can't, so I don't. Does anyone do this on a regular basis? What would you set into? Well, I start driving out to sunny Oregon tomorrow- Hope to see all you Bay Area folks real soon now. And finally your entertaining story of the day- I was out in the park in Springfield IL today trying to drill mirages when a middle-aged lady walking about eight dogs stopped to ask me what on God's green Earth I was jumping around for. Well, I was huffing and sweating pretty good (I'll quit smoking tomorrow) and before she left, she told me I ought to go on tv with footbags and charge 89.95 for "the most scientifically advanced piece of aerobic exercise equipment money can buy." heh... Nick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Nick Hall | nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu | http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/nhall | | National Center for Supercomputing App's | University of Illinois | | "You'll hear a lot of people talking about individual freedom- But | | when they see a free individual, boy, they get scared" -Easy Rider | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 5 14:24:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA09004 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:23:52 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA09000 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:23:50 GMT Received: from kilobit@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8997) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA08995 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:23:50 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F12.hotmail.com [207.82.250.23]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA12224 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 07:23:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 21696 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 1997 14:23:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19970905142358.21695.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.183.41.234 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Sep 1997 07:23:57 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.183.41.234] From: "Josh Penney" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] What's new? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 07:23:57 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >What's the deal? The deal is that it would need to be from a cross body set, which would mean that you couldn't do it withou t spinning, which isn't paradox. Just call it 'cross body swirl'. >(I'll quit smoking tomorrow) And monkeys might fly out my butt. and before she left, she told me I ought to >go on tv with footbags and charge 89.95 for "the most scientifically >advanced piece of aerobic exercise equipment money can buy." heh... There's a good idea. JP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 5 15:52:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00567 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:50:56 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00563 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:50:54 GMT Received: from proshred@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (560) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00558 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:50:54 GMT Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13237 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:50:54 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA17470 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:50:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sjx-ca51-10.ix.netcom.com(206.214.103.170) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma017460; Fri Sep 5 10:50:30 1997 Message-ID: <340ED9DD.44D1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:55:10 -0700 From: Mike Niday Reply-To: proshred@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] worlds results :( References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Hillebrand wrote: > > That makes me feel real great that I got LAST place in intermediate > freestyle. Even the guy who just kicked it really damn high over and >over and over beat me?!!? And people wonder why I don't compete... Mighty proshred@ix.netcom.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 5 19:34:55 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02555 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:34:51 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02551 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:34:49 GMT From: swingert@creighton.edu Received: from swingert@creighton.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2548) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02546 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:34:44 GMT Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16204 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:34:46 -0700 Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu by mailjay.creighton.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA237988085; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:34:45 -0500 Received: from localhost by bluejay.creighton.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA051628084; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:34:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:34:44 -0500 (CDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Has anyone ever tried ducking double leg over? How many adds? Sean From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 5 19:56:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02725 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:56:26 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02721 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:56:24 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2718) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02714 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:56:23 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [12.10.112.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA16458 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:56:25 -0700 Received: from www.mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [12.10.114.3]) by trib1.trib.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ua057610 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:05:27 -0500 Subject: [freestyle] Re: Message-Id: <000000295962956334320@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:58:40 -0500 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, Sep 5, 1997, 2:34:44 PM US CST swingert@creighton.edu wrote: >Has anyone ever tried ducking double leg over? How many adds? Wouldn't that actually be the same thing as a paradox double legover, except that you are also ducking under a very high set? But don't most people think a dive is sort of like a 'paradox duck'? If a paraducks quacks, what should you do? -- Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 5 20:33:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03080 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:33:41 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03076 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:33:40 GMT Received: from joshb@emair.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3073) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA03071 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:33:39 GMT Received: from emair.com ([207.53.162.234]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17136 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:33:41 -0700 Received: from Empire-Message_Server by emair.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 05 Sep 1997 13:42:57 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 13:35:25 -0700 From: Josh Bright To: freestyle@footbag.org, dfogle@mlerf.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org How would you go about doing a ducking double leg over, I can do normal ones, but I don't see where you would stick in the ducking part. Joshb >>> Derrick Fogle, MLERF 09/05/97 12:58PM >>> On Fri, Sep 5, 1997, 2:34:44 PM US CST swingert@creighton.edu wrote: >Has anyone ever tried ducking double leg over? How many adds? Wouldn't that actually be the same thing as a paradox double legover, except that you are also ducking under a very high set? But don't most people think a dive is sort of like a 'paradox duck'? If a paraducks quacks, what should you do? -- Derrick ! From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 5 22:00:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03751 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:00:15 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03747 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:00:12 GMT Received: from marigold@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3744) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03742 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:00:11 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18688 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:00:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23846; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:00:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Verhoef Anne To: Josh Bright cc: freestyle@footbag.org, dfogle@mlerf.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Josh Bright wrote: > How would you go about doing a ducking double leg over, I can do normal ones, but I don't see where you would stick in the ducking part. clip>(duck)> same in out dex> op out in dex> same toe I believe this is a ducking paradox double legover. You could also do ducking same side double legover. (Instead of using your clipper leg to do the first dex, use the opposite leg. This would delete the paradox add. Sean wrote: > >Has anyone ever tried ducking double leg over? How many adds? Depends if you do it paradox or not. If it's paradox, it's 5 adds; if it's not, 4 adds. Adrian -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Sep 6 07:34:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA07351 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 07:34:35 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA07347 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 07:34:33 GMT From: swingert@creighton.edu Received: from swingert@creighton.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (7344) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA07342 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 07:34:33 GMT Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA23501 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 00:34:40 -0700 Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu by mailjay.creighton.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA194761279; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 02:34:39 -0500 Received: from localhost by bluejay.creighton.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA201691278; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 02:34:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 02:34:38 -0500 (CDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Ducking and Paradox Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Doesn't ducking imply paradox just like blurry implies paradox? If so, does that mean that ducking is worth 2 adds? Or does ducking just mean an infinity set which sometimes is paradox? Examples: Ducking double leg over --> ducking paradox 2x leg over Ducking whirl --> ducking paradox whirl Ducking butterfly --> ducking infinity-set butterfly (not pdx) Ducking double down --> ducking infinity-set 2x dwn (barfly) Thoughts? Sean From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 8 15:59:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00671 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:56:17 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00667 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:56:15 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (664) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00662 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:56:14 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [12.10.112.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA19170 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:56:15 -0700 Received: from www.mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [12.10.114.3]) by trib1.trib.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id na058539 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:14:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ducking and Paradox Message-Id: <000000297792956572477@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:07:57 -0500 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.5 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sat, Sep 6, 1997, 2:34:38 AM US CST swingert@creighton.edu wrote: >Doesn't ducking imply paradox just like blurry implies paradox? Ducking means ducking. It is a body move, more closely related to a spin probably than a paradox; you might want to think of it as a body dexterity. But it is a very isolate-able move that doesn't imply the presence of any other add elements. Some people consider 'diving' to be a paradox duck, but I think thats bovinefeces. -- Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 8 16:46:14 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA01124 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:46:14 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA01120 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:46:11 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1117) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA01115 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:46:11 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F93.hotmail.com [207.82.250.199]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20033 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:46:12 -0700 Received: (qmail 15391 invoked by uid 0); 8 Sep 1997 16:46:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19970908164611.15388.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.249.188.172 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:46:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [38.249.188.172] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ducking and Paradox Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:46:11 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Ducking means ducking. It is a body move, more closely related to a spin probably than a paradox; you might want to think of it as a body dexterity. But it is a very isolate-able move that doesn't imply the presence of any other add elements. Some people consider 'diving' to be a paradox duck, but I think thats bovinefeces. > > > -- Derrick A chicken-man shouldn't be discussing ducks. That's fowl! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 11 21:21:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA04065 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:21:47 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA04061 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:21:45 GMT Received: from nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4058) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA04056 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:21:45 GMT Received: from ncsa.uiuc.edu (sdgmail.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.103.66]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22772 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:21:46 -0700 Received: from void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (void [141.142.103.20]) by ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09465 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:22:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nhall@localhost) by void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id QAA24657; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:25:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:25:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Nicholas Hall To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Portland Area info Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi there- I was just wondering if anyone could give me a list of complete contact info for the Sole Purpose club out in Portland- i.e. where and when all the kicks are. For some reason that info isn't on the footbag.org club page, and I don't want to call Kenny for directions every night for the next two weeks... I went out to Reed College last night for the scheduled kick but was disappointed to find no footbaggers there. I hear they are kicking on the waterfront today, but I don't know when... Anyone with info please respond post haste! Nick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Nick Hall | nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu | http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/nhall | | National Center for Supercomputing App's | University of Illinois | | "You'll hear a lot of people talking about individual freedom- But | | when they see a free individual, boy, they get scared" -Easy Rider | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 11 21:35:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA04199 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:35:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA04195 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:35:57 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4192) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA04190 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:35:57 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.196] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23980; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:35:52 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:36:28 -0700 To: Nicholas Hall From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Portland Area info Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 2:25 PM -0700 9/11/97, Nicholas Hall wrote: >For some reason that info isn't on the >footbag.org club page, What exactly do you mean? There is a phone number for the contact (Kendall KIC) and under "reular kicks" it says twice a week at Sellwood Middle School. It specifically requests that you call them for updated information. Their phone, 503-236-0939 is essentially their club hotline. If they didn't want you to call them, they wouldn't publish the info. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Sep 13 17:03:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00949 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:02:48 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00940 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:02:44 GMT Received: from kilobit@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (933) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00930 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:02:43 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F91.hotmail.com [207.82.250.197]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA26215 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:02:44 -0700 Received: (qmail 9481 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 1997 17:02:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19970913170244.9480.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.196.104.114 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:02:43 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.196.104.114] From: "Josh Penney" To: footbag@footbag.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Certainty of publicity Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:02:43 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello. On sunday, September 28th there will be a film crew from MTV Europe coming to my local shred to do a spot about footbag, and footbaggers in the east. So If any of ya want to be in on it, come on down. Since we have no place tor players to showcase net, I would like to request donations of video footage to donate for addition/example. I have a copy of the 1996 Worlds' promo; does anyone know who was responsible for that, incl. legal copywright and other info? All replies not copied to the list will be kept in strict confidence. Thanks to all. Mack it before you crack it, JP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Sep 13 17:05:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00995 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:05:33 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00985 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:05:30 GMT Received: from kilobit@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (982) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00980 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:05:30 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F71.hotmail.com [207.82.250.157]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA26263 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:05:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 16980 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 1997 17:05:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19970913170531.16979.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.196.104.114 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:05:30 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.196.104.114] From: "Josh Penney" To: footbag@footbag.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Certainty of publicity Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:05:30 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello. On sunday, September 28th there will be a film crew from MTV Europe coming to my local shred to do a spot about footbag, and footbaggers in the east. So If any of ya want to be in on it, come on down. Since we have no place tor players to showcase net, I would like to request donations of video footage to donate for addition/example. I have a copy of the 1996 Worlds' promo; does anyone know who was responsible for that, incl. legal copywright and other info? All replies not copied to the list will be kept in strict confidence. Thanks to all. Mack it before you crack it, JP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 15 06:15:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA04541 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:15:12 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA04537 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:15:10 GMT Received: from s9709652@jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4534) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA04532 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:15:04 GMT Received: from rmit.EDU.AU (voga.rmit.EDU.AU [131.170.1.20]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19673 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:14:59 -0700 Received: from jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au (jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.EDU.AU [131.170.36.250]) by rmit.EDU.AU (8.8.7/8.7.3/voga/ram3/anti-SPAM) with ESMTP id QAA11008 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:14:57 +1000 (EST) Received: from POISSON/SpoolDir by jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au (Mercury 1.21); 15 Sep 97 16:16:50 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by POISSON (Mercury 1.21); 15 Sep 97 16:16:45 +1100 From: "LYNTON STEPHENS" Organization: Civil & Geological Engineering RMIT To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:16:41 EST-10 Subject: [freestyle] swirling X-Confirm-Reading-To: "LYNTON STEPHENS" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <2087B966F7A@jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was just wondering: There are plenty of moves involving swirl style dexterities e.g. swirl, whirling swirl, spyro gyro, ripstein, barfly swirl, etc But as far as I know the swirl dex in each of these is done from back to front coming over the to of the bag. Are there any move where the swirl is done the other direction, i.e. from front to back over the top of the bag? Any thoughts? Lynton From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 15 07:06:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA04722 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:06:39 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA04716 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:06:35 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4712) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA04704; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:06:27 GMT Received: from baygate.bayarea.net (baygate.bayarea.net [204.71.212.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA20517; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:06:34 -0700 Received: from [205.219.91.196] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) by baygate.bayarea.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29908; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:06:46 -0700 To: Joe Norman , Michael Hailey , Ben Gallant , Matt Stone , Wing-See Lai , Devon Joshi , Emily Robinson , Becky Shaftel , Zander Nosler , Mike Niday , Jeff Gran , Tu Vu , Tuan Vu and Lisa Monti , Ryan Mulroney , Sunil Jani , Kevin Fine , Iain McKechnie , southbay@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Stanford Footbag Club Fall Freestyle JAM! Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org You're invited to kick with the Stanford Footbag Club at the first day back at school at Stanford University (Palo Alto, California) on TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 23rd, 1997, from 11am to 6pm!!! (That's a week from this Tuesday.) This will be the first day back at school, and Stanford is hosting an Activities Day at a big outdoor party called "Music and Fun Under the Sun" (MuFuUnSun for short)! This is typically our best chance to recruit new club members for the upcoming year -- I already have several top freestylers planning to come and make special appearances at this event. We (the Stanford Footbag Club) will have a spot reserved at the event to sign up new club members and to demonstrate and play freestyle footbag. There may even be room for nets for those of you interested, but I have to scope out the site before I can say for sure. MuFuUnSun is *not* at our usual kicking spot in White Plaza -- it's at Arrillaga Court (between Arrillaga, Maples, and DeGuerre Pool, and at Chuck Taylor Field) on the Stanford University Campus. E-mail me for directions ('cause I don't have them right this second), or check out the map online at http://www.stanford.edu/ Note: MuFuUnSun ends at 4pm, at which point we will likely move to White Plaza. So if you're planning to show up after 4, check both spots. White Plaza is in front of the Stanford Post Office near Tresidder Student Union on the campus. Hope to see you there! Steve P.S. Invite all your friends and any kicker in the area you know who doesn't have e-mail or who didn't get this invitation. The more, the merrier! From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 15 14:22:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA06865 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:22:14 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA06861 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:22:11 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6858) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA06856 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:22:10 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F6.hotmail.com [207.82.250.17]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA24602 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:22:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 18466 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 1997 14:22:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19970915142219.18465.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.249.188.172 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:22:19 PDT X-Originating-IP: [38.249.188.172] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] swirling Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:22:19 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I was just wondering: > >There are plenty of moves involving swirl style dexterities >e.g. swirl, whirling swirl, spyro gyro, ripstein, barfly swirl, etc > >But as far as I know the swirl dex in each of these is done from back >to front coming over the to of the bag. >Are there any move where the swirl is done the other direction, i.e. >from front to back over the top of the bag? > >Any thoughts? > >Lynton Hmmm, let's see...(1)any of the moves you mentioned can be performed with a reverse swirl however I have not witnessed any of them (2)twirl - reverse swirling osis is Scott Davidson's bread and butter (3)reverse swirling dragon stall (4)and of course reverse swirling whirling swirling double-whirling swirl DK ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 16 00:27:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA05029 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:26:31 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA05025 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:26:30 GMT Received: from adriand@callplus.co.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5022) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA05020 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:26:29 GMT Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [203.98.15.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06024 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:26:31 -0700 Received: by mail.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:26:50 +1200 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C03E08A@mail.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Footbag Moves list Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:26:48 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shredders, At the moment I am going through the process of updating my online footbag moves database. I need to add in some of these next generation moves like "The Fog" and "Blurrage". So if you have time send me an Email describing how to do the move and its name, and I will add it to the all new list :) The new location of the freestyle move list (over 200 moves) is: http://www.callplus.co.nz/footbag/ see you there! From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 16 00:30:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA05063 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:30:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA05059 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:30:21 GMT Received: from adriand@callplus.co.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5056) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA05054 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:30:20 GMT Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [203.98.15.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06079 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:30:23 -0700 Received: by mail.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:30:47 +1200 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C03E08B@mail.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] New Freestyle records Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:30:45 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Saturday Damian Coventry of the AFFC hit 5 consecutive Double switches. (Toe > OP out [dex] > same out [dex] > same toe [del]) Also I hit 16 consecutive symposium mirages using the left foot straight to right foot technique. Later! From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 16 21:21:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02626 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:16:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02622 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:16:01 GMT Received: from tuhuge@sfsu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2619) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02617 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:16:00 GMT Received: from diana.sfsu.edu (diana.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.239]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22297 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:16:01 -0700 Received: from station10.sfsu.edu (24hrlab-210.sfsu.edu [130.212.37.210]) by diana.sfsu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA04935; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970916141207.00691aa8@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: tuhuge@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:12:07 -0700 To: Adrian Dick From: Tu Vu Subject: Re: [freestyle] New Freestyle records Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C03E08B@mail.callplus.co.nz > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:30 PM 9/16/97 +1200, you wrote: >On Saturday Damian Coventry of the AFFC hit 5 consecutive Double >switches. >(Toe > OP out [dex] > same out [dex] > same toe [del]) > >Also I hit 16 consecutive symposium mirages using the left foot straight >to right foot technique. > >Later! I think Tuan Vu, Eric Wulff, and a few others both have consecutive mirage records in the 20's and 30's. Although , 16 symp. mirages is truly incredible!!!! I wish I could do 2 in a row!! I never heard of anyone doing that many consecutive double switch overs. Nice Work!!!! 2 huge From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 19 22:03:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA04571 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:02:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA04566 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:02:00 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4563) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA04561 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:01:59 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F16.hotmail.com [207.82.250.27]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23281 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:02:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 13013 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 1997 22:02:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19970919220201.13012.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.249.188.172 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:02:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [38.249.188.172] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] offseason woes Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:02:01 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org How are you kickers in cold-weather states planning on keeping in shape during the offseason? DK ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Sep 20 02:07:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA06026 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:07:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA06022 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:07:00 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6019) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA06017 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:06:54 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.196] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28642; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:06:57 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19970919220201.13012.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:07:29 -0700 To: "Daniel Kramer" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] offseason woes Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 3:02 PM -0700 9/19/97, Daniel Kramer wrote: >How are you kickers in cold-weather states planning on keeping >in shape during the offseason? Okay, I know you're going to yell at me 'cause I'm not in a cold-weather state (yeehaa!), but the short version is -- KICK INSIDE! Don't let the weather stop you from playing. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Sep 20 14:23:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA09034 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:22:50 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA09030 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:22:48 GMT Received: from kilobit@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (9027) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA09025 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:22:48 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F40.hotmail.com [207.82.250.51]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA02172 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 07:22:58 -0700 Received: (qmail 5164 invoked by uid 0); 20 Sep 1997 14:22:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19970920142256.5163.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.214.136.81 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 07:22:55 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.214.136.81] From: "Josh Penney" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] offseason woes Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 07:22:55 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:07:29 -0700 >At 3:02 PM -0700 9/19/97, Daniel Kramer wrote: >>How are you kickers in cold-weather states planning on keeping >>in shape during the offseason? > >Okay, I know you're going to yell at me 'cause I'm not in a cold-weather >state (yeehaa!), but the short version is -- KICK INSIDE! Don't let the >weather stop you from playing. > I think that Dan was looking for a new thread, Steve. The other thing is, maybe I think that because he and I are working on the same problem - finding a place to play during the colder months. Dan has been using stariwells and late-night laundry room skools, and I'm not sure yet what I'm gonna do. Space is not really available here as many of you know unless, you're willing to peel off them dollar bills (slappin' em down); and we all know how filthy rich we are, right? So here's a question: Who has a free place to play indoors, how did you get it, how do we get one, etc. etc. etc. JP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Sep 20 15:54:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00495 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:53:56 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00491 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:53:54 GMT Received: from footbag13@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (488) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00486 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:53:53 GMT From: Footbag13@aol.com Received: from emin17.mail.aol.com (emout32.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03254 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:53:54 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by emin17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA26098 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970920114547_-1264431828@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] offseason woes Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 97-09-20 00:29:30 EDT, Daniel Kramer writes: << How are you kickers in cold-weather states planning on keeping in shape during the offseason? >> A few suggestions for free or reasonably priced places to kick... Community college-most of them have some kind of open gym for community members YMCA Indoor parking garages Shopping malls Your place of work-some people are allowed to stay late and lock up when they leave... Park district or community centers Kitchen, living room, etc..... It gets damn cold in illinois and it becomes a real challenge to find a place to shred...especially when you've got a group of people kicking. My best advice...kick where ever you can and when you get kicked out...kick somewhere else! Jason From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Sep 20 16:42:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00705 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:42:20 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00701 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:42:18 GMT Received: from mstrong@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (698) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00696 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:42:17 GMT Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04196 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:42:19 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA03344 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:42:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199709201642.LAA03344@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Received: from dal-tx9-38.ix.netcom.com(207.94.123.166) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003249; Sat Sep 20 11:41:45 1997 From: "Matt Strong" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] offseason woes Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:42:03 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org During rainy days, we've been kicking in apartment fitness centers. Of course this will only help if someone in your group lives in an apartment and that apartment has a nice fitness center, but for us it works great. We can't really play net, but here in Texas there are occasionally some weekends in the winter that are warm enough to play net. -Matt ---------- > From: Footbag13@aol.com > To: freestyle@footbag.org > Subject: Re: [freestyle] offseason woes > Date: Saturday, September 20, 1997 10:53 AM > > In a message dated 97-09-20 00:29:30 EDT, Daniel Kramer writes: > > << How are you kickers in cold-weather states planning on keeping > in shape during the offseason? >> > > A few suggestions for free or reasonably priced places to kick... > > Community college-most of them have some kind of open gym for community > members > YMCA > Indoor parking garages > Shopping malls > Your place of work-some people are allowed to stay late and lock up when they > leave... > Park district or community centers > Kitchen, living room, etc..... > > It gets damn cold in illinois and it becomes a real challenge to find a place > to shred...especially when you've got a group of people kicking. My best > advice...kick where ever you can and when you get kicked out...kick somewhere > else! > Jason From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 22 01:06:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA02939 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:05:41 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA02934 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:05:38 GMT Received: from adriand@callplus.co.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2931) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA02929 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:05:34 GMT Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [203.98.15.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17352; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:05:31 -0700 Received: by mail.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:48:57 +1200 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C043A2B@mail.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: Steve Goldberg Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] offseason woes Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:48:56 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I think the best solution of all is to come to New Zealand during your winter and shred with us! > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Goldberg [SMTP:brat@footbag.org] > Sent: Saturday, 20 September 1997 14:07 > To: Daniel Kramer > Cc: freestyle@footbag.org > Subject: Re: [freestyle] offseason woes > > At 3:02 PM -0700 9/19/97, Daniel Kramer wrote: > >How are you kickers in cold-weather states planning on keeping > >in shape during the offseason? > > Okay, I know you're going to yell at me 'cause I'm not in a > cold-weather > state (yeehaa!), but the short version is -- KICK INSIDE! Don't let > the > weather stop you from playing. > > Steve > From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 22 05:54:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA04259 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:54:35 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA04255 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:54:33 GMT Received: from eric@netcomi.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4252) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA04250 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:54:33 GMT Received: from stick.netcomi.com (fit.netcomi.com [204.58.155.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21924 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 22:54:39 -0700 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by stick.netcomi.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA23540 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:54:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: stick.netcomi.com: eric owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:54:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] footbag channel on undernet Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey guys...i work at night (11pm-8am central) and i usually hang out on IRC (undernet) while i'm here. if anyone wants to drop by and talk about the world's most perfect sport, i'll be in the channel #footbag. happy shredding! eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 22 06:45:39 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA04500 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 06:45:38 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA04489 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 06:45:36 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4486) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA04484; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 06:45:36 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.196] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22749; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:44:56 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:45:38 -0700 To: Joe Norman , Michael Hailey , Ben Gallant , Matt Stone , Wing-See Lai , Devon Joshi , Emily Robinson , Becky Shaftel , Zander Nosler , Mike Niday , Jeff Gran , Tu Vu , Tuan Vu and Lisa Monti , Ryan Mulroney , Sunil Jani , Iain McKechnie , southbay@footbag.org, kenny@valuserve.com From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Stanford Fall Freestyle jam this Tuesday Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org REMINDER! (New DIRECTIONS at end!) You're invited to kick with the Stanford Footbag Club at the first day back at school at Stanford University (Palo Alto, California) THIS TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 23rd, 1997, *any time* from 11am to 6pm!!! Let's show Chelsea Clinton what she really ought to do with her spare time! On Tuesday, Stanford is hosting an Activities Day at a big outdoor party called "Music and Fun Under the Sun" (MuFuUnSun for short)! This is typically our best chance to recruit new club members for the upcoming year. We (the Stanford Footbag Club) will have a spot reserved at the event to sign up new club members and to demonstrate and play freestyle footbag. There WILL be room for a net for those of you interested! MuFuUnSun is *not* at our usual kicking spot in White Plaza -- it's at Arrillaga Court (between Arrillaga, Maples, and DeGuerre Pool, and at Chuck Taylor Field) on the Stanford University Campus. Directions are below, or check out the map online at: Note: MuFuUnSun ends at 4pm, at which point we will move to White Plaza for the remainder of the kick. So if you're planning to show up after 4, check both spots. White Plaza is in front of the Stanford Post Office near Tresidder Student Union on the campus. Hope to see you there! Steve DIRECTIONS: (a) MuFuUnSun @ Arrillaga Court: between Arrillaga Sports Complex and Maples Pavilion, just along Campus Drive East between Galvez (Embarcadero) and Serra streets. If you're coming from El Camino, enter on Galvez St. (which is Embarcadero on the other side of El Camino), pass the stadium, and turn LEFT onto Campus Drive. Pay parking (free after 4pm) is available in the lot between Maples Pavilion and Serra St. (so if you're coming from Galvez, turn LEFT on Campus and LEFT again into the lot just past Maples). We'll be somewhere in the area of Arrillaga Court between 11am and 4pm. (b) White Plaza: our usual kicking spot. We'll be there from 4-6 this Tuesday, (normally we're there Tuesdays from 2:30 or 3 until dark). White Plaza is right out in front of the main campus Post Office, across from Tresidder Union and next to Dinkelspiel Auditorium. If you're driving, park in the pay lot (free after 4) for Tresidder Union, which is just off Mayfield. For more specific directions, e-mail or call me (408-773-9110). From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 22 13:17:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA06047 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:17:08 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA06043 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:17:06 GMT Received: from crvich@raleigh.ibm.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6040) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA06038 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:17:04 GMT Received: from fwns1.raleigh.ibm.com (fwns1d.raleigh.ibm.com [204.146.167.235]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA30447 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 06:17:13 -0700 Received: from rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com (rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.172.47]) by fwns1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7RTP-FW1.1) with ESMTP id JAA19406 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (ode1.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.178.164]) by rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/RTP-ral-1.1) with SMTP id JAA16710 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:17:12 -0400 Received: from odent1.raleigh.ibm.com by ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-RAL) id AA31184; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:17:08 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970922091532.00900940@ode1> X-Sender: crvich@ode1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:15:32 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] offseason woes In-Reply-To: <19970919220201.13012.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >How are you kickers in cold-weather states planning on keeping >in shape during the offseason? When I used to live in a tiny crappy apartment in Virginia, I practiced in my living room. But that was when I was just beginning to learn freestyle, so I didn't sweat as much (now I get complaints from people within a ten foot radius to "turn off the sweat shower, ya lousy bum!"). So practicing in my [new & improved] apartment is right out. The colleges where I used to live (Virginia Tech & Radford U.) didn't allow non-university types in their gyms (not an uncommon practice), so I actually had little choice. The local "community center" had a small gym, but it was always reserved for basketball or volleyball. Besides, is it just me or are basketball courts way too slippery for freestyle?! Blech! So aside from a friend's apartment complex (which has an enclosed racquetball court), I found an area in Duke U's student center here in Durham. It's off in a corner on the bottom floor, very few people ever walk by, it's carpeted (yes!), and no one has ever asked me to leave (despite the fact that I don't wear a shirt and I sweat like a...like a freestyler!). In retrospect, I think there were similar places in VTech's & Radford's student centers, but I wasn't as bold back then. I'm still not willing to try a mall, though...at least not for serious practice. 8-) I've practiced in a couple of laundromats in the past, too, but wouldn't recommend them. -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 22 15:03:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00208 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:02:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00204 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:02:00 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (201) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00199 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:01:59 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F20.hotmail.com [207.82.250.31]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA00154 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:01:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 19373 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 1997 15:01:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19970922150158.19372.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.249.188.172 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:01:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [38.249.188.172] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] offseason woes Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:01:58 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'd like to thank everyone for their great suggestions and anecdotes. And Steve - for the kick inside comment, I'd like to wish you a big fat duh. Make that a duy-hickey :>) Where there's a will, there's a way. DK ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 22 18:52:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01742 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:52:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01738 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:52:02 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1735) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01733 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:52:01 GMT Received: from f44.hotmail.com (F44.hotmail.com [207.82.250.55]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05900 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:52:00 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by f44.hotmail.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18987 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709221852.LAA18987@f44.hotmail.com> Received: from 38.249.188.172 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:52:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [38.249.188.172] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] I'm chillin' Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:52:00 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I live in north Idaho, and the winter months are horrible, just keep on kickin indoors. > >Josh Bright Maybe I should start acclimating myself to the cold weather now. Next time I kick, I'll stick ice cubes up my ass. DK ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 22 20:25:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03043 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:25:30 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03039 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:25:28 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3036) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA03034 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:25:28 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08186 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:25:30 -0700 Received: from skull.cs.uidaho.edu (hill9361@skull.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.108]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.1) with ESMTP id NAA25031 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by skull.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.0) with SMTP id NAA25345 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:25:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skull.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:25:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Josh Bright? In-Reply-To: <199709221852.LAA18987@f44.hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > >I live in north Idaho, and the winter months are horrible, just keep on > kickin indoors. > > > >Josh Bright Josh Bright, I can't remember if I have talked to you before or not. I couldn't find you at footbag.org, nor could I find your email address. I live in Moscow, Idaho (which I consider north Idaho), so let's get together sometime. There are loads of decent freestylers in Moscow. ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 22 23:13:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA05316 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:13:29 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA05304 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:13:25 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5301) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA05299; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:13:23 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.196] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11228; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:12:59 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:13:37 -0700 To: Joe Norman , Michael Hailey , Ben Gallant , Matt Stone , Wing-See Lai , Devon Joshi , Emily Robinson , Becky Shaftel , Zander Nosler , Mike Niday , Jeff Gran , Tu Vu , Tuan Vu and Lisa Monti , Ryan Mulroney , Sunil Jani , Iain McKechnie , southbay@footbag.org, kenny@valuserve.com From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Stanford Festival Tuesday starts 1pm! Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org UPDATE: the MuFuUnSun festival at Stanford actually starts at 1pm, not 11am as I'd originally announced! Sorry about that, but the information I had was out of date. I just called to confirm, and the start time is *1pm*. The location is the same as before. Thanks, and sorry to bug those of you who can't make it. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 22 23:45:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA05540 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:45:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA05536 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:45:17 GMT From: swingert@creighton.edu Received: from swingert@creighton.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5533) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA05531 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:45:11 GMT Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11809 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:44:55 -0700 Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu by mailjay.creighton.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA167591884; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:44:44 -0500 Received: from localhost by bluejay.creighton.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA202681880; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:44:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:44:40 -0500 (CDT) To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Daydreaming Moves... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Stuck in my atmospheric sciences class--and, therefore, bored--I was daydreaming of the following moves. Has anyone hit any of them? 1) Leg beating swirl 2) Flurry bail to opposite toe 3) Symposium double toe blur (ouch) 4) ducking p.s. whirl (the only one of the bunch I can hit) Sean From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 23 00:20:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA05980 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:19:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA05976 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:19:51 GMT Received: from j1876@tir.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5973) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA05971 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:19:51 GMT Received: from sun.tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA12693 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:19:54 -0700 Received: from an194.tir.com (an194.tir.com [205.218.86.4]) by sun.tir.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA11457 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709230019.UAA11457@sun.tir.com> X-Sender: j1876@mail.tir.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freestyle@footbag.org From: j1876@tir.com (clarkja1) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i am sorry, but this was meant for the list serve and not for one particular individual. so thanks to steve if he would post this in the right area. thanks steve. my shift key is broken, so excuse the lack of caps. go to an elementary school in your area, tell them that you live in the area and your conditions, i.e., you are a competitor with a footbag, explain briefly the games and the sport, lack of good practice facility, etc. then you mention you might be willing to do some kind of demo for them , free of course in the spring when it is warmer. talk to the community education director, or a reasonable facsimile, not the principal, you can also work your way up to the middle and high school's, but from my experience they are more tied up with activities. the main thing is to feel your way through this process. this is from having done this for 20 plus years. then you can try the other avenues, of course this is up to you. in any case, when you walk in and plead a case for yourself, people are more sympathetic than if you just come in, kick until caught and try the pleading. jayman Jayman :-} From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 23 16:53:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA01069 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:51:28 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA01065 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:51:26 GMT Received: from aloe@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1062) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA01060 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:51:26 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA31610 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:51:26 -0700 Received: (from aloe@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12503; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Juliet Pendray Reply-To: Juliet Pendray Subject: [freestyle] offseason woes To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If you're into performing, usually community centre & neighbourhood house program director types are always looking for something new to bring in to entertain their group of children/youth, that won't cost them. Make a trade for some regular kicking time in one of their spaces. juliet From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 23 18:10:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01735 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:09:54 GMT Received: from rtroxel@ops.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1564) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01554 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:57:27 GMT Received: from redgate.ops.org (redgate.ops.org [204.26.70.9]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01084 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:57:27 -0700 Received: by redgate.ops.org; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA32550; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:00:14 -0500 Received: from localhost by ops.org; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Jul97-0529PM) id AA29993; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:02:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:02:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Ryan Troxel To: Juliet Pendray Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] offseason woes In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Another good place for an indoor jam is a racquetball court. It is usually not as crowded as a basketball court and you don't have to worry about basketballs, people or small children running in the middle of your circle. We have even constructed a footbag net that uses the walleyball eyelets to play net in a slightly smaller than normal area. rye From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 23 18:36:34 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01887 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:36:33 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01883 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:36:31 GMT Received: from tuhuge@sfsu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1880) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01878 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:36:31 GMT Received: from diana.sfsu.edu (diana.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.239]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02082 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:36:32 -0700 Received: from station34.sfsu.edu (24hrlab-234.sfsu.edu [130.212.37.234]) by diana.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA27893; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970923113154.006968f8@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: tuhuge@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:31:54 -0700 To: swingert@creighton.edu From: TU VU Subject: Re: [freestyle] Daydreaming Moves... Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 06:44 PM 9/22/97 -0500, you wrote: >Stuck in my atmospheric sciences class--and, therefore, bored--I was >daydreaming of the following moves. Has anyone hit any of them? > > 1) Leg beating swirl > 2) Flurry bail to opposite toe > 3) Symposium double toe blur (ouch) > 4) ducking p.s. whirl (the only one of the bunch I can hit) > I've hit the flurry bail to toe but have never sealed it. It's called fission and it's the barraging paradox reverse mirage. Another cool one is barraging paradox mirage. I haven't come up for a name for it yet. any suggestions? 2 Huge From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 23 19:07:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02054 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:07:55 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02050 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:07:52 GMT Received: from hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2047) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02045 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:07:50 GMT Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.177]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02835 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:07:51 -0700 Received: from crater.cs.uidaho.edu (hill9361@crater.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.55.110]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.1) with ESMTP id MAA26096; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by crater.cs.uidaho.edu (8.8.5/1.0) with SMTP id MAA23311; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:07:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: crater.cs.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:07:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand To: TU VU cc: swingert@creighton.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Daydreaming Moves... In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970923113154.006968f8@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If the last leg over is out-in (reverse mirage), then how can it be paradox? Would't the leg over have to be in-out to get the paradox component? > I've hit the flurry bail to toe but have never sealed it. > > It's called fission and it's the barraging paradox reverse mirage. > > Another cool one is barraging paradox mirage. > > I haven't come up for a name for it yet. any suggestions? > > > 2 Huge > > ______________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@cs.uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 23 19:14:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02122 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:14:25 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02118 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:14:23 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2115) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02113 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:14:22 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.196] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03054; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:14:16 -0700 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.2.32.19970923113154.006968f8@sfsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:14:50 -0700 To: Matt Hillebrand From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Daydreaming Moves... Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:07 PM -0700 9/23/97, Matt Hillebrand wrote: >If the last leg over is out-in (reverse mirage), then how can it be >paradox? Would't the leg over have to be in-out to get the paradox >component? Matt, I don't know where you got that idea from. As has been stated here a zillion times, the definition of paradox (albeit complex and sometimes disputed) is not limited to in-out dexterities. Few dispute the existence of "paradox reverse mirage". The issue is you can't end in a clipper on the opposite side if you do out-in (i.e., butterflies aren't paradox). I don't recall the exact wording, but it's in the definition Derrick sent out a while back. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 23 19:35:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02283 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:34:59 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02279 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:34:53 GMT From: swingert@creighton.edu Received: from swingert@creighton.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2276) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02274 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:34:53 GMT Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03640 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:34:54 -0700 Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu by mailjay.creighton.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA119813292; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:34:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by bluejay.creighton.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA011973292; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:34:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:34:52 -0500 (CDT) To: Matt Hillebrand Cc: TU VU , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Daydreaming Moves... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Matt Hillebrand wrote: > If the last leg over is out-in (reverse mirage), then how can it be > paradox? Would't the leg over have to be in-out to get the paradox > component? I think that you *would* get the paradox element because the whole move is "just" a paradox rev. mirage, BUT with two dexterities first. If you remove those two initial dexes, you just have a basic pdx. rv. mirage (emphasis on the pdx.). This, of course, assumes that you are setting the bag from a clipper. Thoughts? Sean From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 23 21:10:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03046 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:10:06 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03040 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:09:51 GMT Received: from c655664@showme.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3037) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA03034 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:09:34 GMT Received: from mail.missouri.edu (mail.missouri.edu [128.206.2.169]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06073 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:09:34 -0700 Received: from sp2n09.missouri.edu (sp2n09.missouri.edu [128.206.2.17]) by mail.missouri.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA102224; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:09:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (c655664@localhost) by sp2n09.missouri.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA243000; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:07:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sp2n09.missouri.edu: c655664 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:07:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Marschall X-Sender: c655664@sp2n09.missouri.edu To: Ryan Troxel cc: Juliet Pendray , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] offseason woes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all, I've always found raquetball courts to be too slippery for proper stylin'. I've been spoiled by carpet, the thin kind. I'm not sure if this is helpful or not, but here in Columbia Mo. we have buddied up with the owner of a rock-climbing gym. I pay a nominal annual fee in order to kick inside during the bad months. It works out for him too, because sometimes people come in just to watch us kick.! People involved with other smaller, sub-culture sports are often sympathetic towards our cause. Joe Marschall From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 24 14:19:23 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA09168 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:19:08 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA09164 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:19:06 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (9161) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA09159 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:19:05 GMT Received: from f44.hotmail.com (F44.hotmail.com [207.82.250.55]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23054 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 07:19:15 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by f44.hotmail.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA29503 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 07:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709241419.HAA29503@f44.hotmail.com> Received: from 38.249.188.172 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 07:19:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [38.249.188.172] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Daydreaming Moves... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 07:19:14 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >> I've hit the flurry bail to toe but have never sealed it. >> >> It's called fission and it's the barraging paradox reverse mirage. >> >> Another cool one is barraging paradox mirage. >> >> I haven't come up for a name for it yet. any suggestions? >> >> >> 2 Huge Reverge ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 24 21:05:37 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02773 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:05:14 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02761 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:05:09 GMT Received: from marigold@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2758) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02756 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:05:03 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA30260 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:05:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03198; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:04:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Verhoef Anne To: TU VU cc: swingert@creighton.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Daydreaming Moves... In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970923113154.006968f8@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, TU VU wrote: > > 1) Leg beating swirl > > 2) Flurry bail to opposite toe > > 3) Symposium double toe blur (ouch) > > 4) ducking p.s. whirl (the only one of the bunch I can hit) What exactly do you mean by symp double toe blur? A miraging symposium backside double mirage?? Are you insane? > It's called fission and it's the barraging paradox reverse mirage. That sounds cool. I'd like to see a barraging butterfly. Adrian -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 24 21:21:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02949 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:21:23 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02945 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:21:21 GMT Received: from klein@proscape.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2942) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02940 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:21:21 GMT Received: from proxyserv.proscape.com (mail.proscape.com [205.147.246.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA30497 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:21:23 -0700 Received: by proxyserv.proscape.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCC90D.E1525B40@proxyserv.proscape.com>; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:18:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ethan Klein To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Skooling Solo Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:18:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 17 TEXT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello fellow freestylers. I have entered into a new stage of my personal footbag evolution recently, that of a SOLO SHREDDER. I still kick with my boyz about once a week but spend the other 5 or 6 days playing alone. Usually I pick a few combos or tricks that I want to hit during a session and focus on hitting them... i.e the other day I just worked drifter into double leg over on both sides. I would try that combo, then try something else, then come back to that combo, etc. The sport assumes a different essence when playing solo. Every juggle becomes less of an all out explosion of capability and more a piece/trial/experiment. Less super-long guiltlessness, more weird, random combos and moves that should have been mastered long ago. I enjoy it immensely but was hoping to get some feedback from the community as to how you all shred solo. Drills, strait-up freestylin, computer-selected move combinations? Do people visualize crowds/girls/BAPers watching? See ya - Ethan From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 24 21:33:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03011 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:33:40 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03007 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:33:40 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3004) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA03002 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:33:39 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F77.hotmail.com [207.82.250.183]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA30695 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:33:43 -0700 Received: (qmail 2525 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 1997 21:33:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19970924213328.2524.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.249.188.172 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:33:27 PDT X-Originating-IP: [38.249.188.172] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] live music accompaniment Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:33:27 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Since Worlds, there hasn't been much heavy discussion on the list. I had been trying to come up with something juicy to offer, but nothing came to mind. And then I remembered the most controversial event at Worlds - Pete Irish using live music during his routines. For those who didn't attend Worlds in Portland, here's what went down. Peter had Toby Robinson, who happens to be a tremendous kicker himself and a talented musician, play the dijereedoo (the Aboriginal Australian instrument which is a long tube that you blow into (totally misspelled)) during Peter's routines on the first day and for finals. Before I go any further, my criticism concerns only the use of live music in future events and not in any way Peter's performance in Portland. His worthiness as a world champion cannot be disputed in any regards. Using the same rules that everyone was given and a little creativity, Peter put together the best routine on finals day hands down. With that understood, let me continue... As far as I'm concerned, the issue comes down to this : to maintain the validity of competition, we must have a level playing field. The inclusion of live music can give a player an advantage in the music and movement portion of the judges scores. The musician, with the ability to improvise, can modify the music at a moments notice to mirror the players routine. For instance, every delay can be perfectly accentuated by a pause, every flying kick by a crescendo, and most importantly - if a player drops the bag, there's no chance for the player to fall behind the music. Any one who's ever competed knows the havoc dropping causes, having to skip elements of the routine in order to pick up the next cue. People who defend live music say that the judges will take it into account, and use discretion when tabulating the scores. However, they are asking judges to step outside the bounds of the strict judging rules that they are presented with at Worlds and create their own criteria for scoring. I'd rather not put that burden on judges - not only as they may ignore the advantages of live music, but may also penalize a player for it too greatly creating an unbalanced competition. Either we all use live music or none of us use live music. After the controversey at Worlds, the IFAB had the opportunity to set things straight. They were confronted with the issue of live music accompaniment, and to put it simply - they dropped the ball. They passed a rule to allow live music in future events. In the spirit of competition and sportsmanship, disallow live music in future competitions. What's your opinion? We'd like to know. DK ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 24 21:47:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03106 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:47:15 GMT Message-Id: <199709242147.VAA03106@eniac.yak.net.taz> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Daydreaming Moves... From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:39:27 -0500 Organization: MLERF Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Status: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, Sep 23, 1997, 2:14:50 PM US CST Steve Goldberg wrote: >At 12:07 PM -0700 9/23/97, Matt Hillebrand wrote: >>If the last leg over is out-in (reverse mirage), then how can it be >zillion times, the definition of paradox (albeit complex and sometimes >disputed) is not limited to in-out dexterities. Few dispute the existence Steve, you know how much a zillion is... Really, lets be more realistic, OK? Its a billion zillion! Anyway, the 'justification' (for anyone as anal retentive about justifications as I am) is this: Paradox is a quick double-pivot of the hips. In regular Pdx, the initial hip pivot is quick, having to make that "S" curve to get around the bag, and the rest is slower and more open. In the Pdx Reverse, the initial pivot is slow as you come around the bag the 'easy' direction, but the rest is rather quick and violent as you have to cut back under the bag to complete the move. The hip pivot is there in both moves, the timing is just a little different for each flavor. -- Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 24 21:47:22 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03123 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:47:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03119 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:47:20 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3116) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA03114 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:47:20 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.196] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8