From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Nov 1 04:07:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA04970 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 04:07:23 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA04966 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 04:07:22 GMT Received: from scalf@utdallas.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4963) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA04961 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 04:07:21 GMT Received: from utdallas.edu (utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA32622 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:07:27 -0800 Received: from apache.utdallas.edu (scalf@apache.utdallas.edu [129.110.16.9]) by utdallas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28142 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:07:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (scalf@localhost) by apache.utdallas.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA22092 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:07:25 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: apache.utdallas.edu: scalf owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:07:25 -0600 (CST) From: Derric Scalf To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] footage of net... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I remember at worlds how there were a few cameras set up filming the finals net matches. I was trying to get the last match just to have some net footage, but I ran out of tape. To make a long story short, I want a few of those net matches. Especially the part where the announcer (I can't remember his name) asked the crowd how many people had never seen footbag net before. I remember there were a lot of first time spectators there. That made an impact on me, and I'm thinking that that would be a good indicator of how much the sport can grow. I'm trying to get a tape together of some freestyle and net to give to potential sponsors and to just pass around to help get community support for the Southern Regionals next spring. Any net footage would be appreciated, but I would really like the finals with that badass crowd. If you have this, or know where I could find it, please let me know. Thanks. -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Nov 1 08:13:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA05808 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 08:13:21 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA05804 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 08:13:06 GMT Received: from gimmiezo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5801) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA05799 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 08:13:05 GMT Received: from imo08.mx.aol.com (imo08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.100]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01573 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 00:13:13 -0800 From: Gimmie Zo Message-ID: <299bc6b4.345ae44a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 03:12:39 EST To: scalf@utdallas.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] footage of net... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org uh, shouldn't that go under a different mailing list catagory? From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Nov 1 22:24:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA01414 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:23:08 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA01410 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:23:06 GMT Received: from c655664@showme.missouri.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1407) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA01405 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:23:06 GMT Received: from mail.missouri.edu (mail.missouri.edu [128.206.2.169]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08226 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:23:08 -0800 Received: from sp2n09.missouri.edu (sp2n09.missouri.edu [128.206.2.17]) by mail.missouri.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA186692 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:23:07 -0600 Received: from localhost (c655664@localhost) by sp2n09.missouri.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA361326 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:20:12 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: sp2n09.missouri.edu: c655664 owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:20:12 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Marschall X-Sender: c655664@sp2n09.missouri.edu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Columbia Jam Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Greeting Stylers: Next weekend in Columbia Mo. : Nov. 7 - 9 I will be hosting a very informal freestyle (or whatever else it is you do) jam, or get together or party(?), or whatever you would like to call it. I have secured kicking space at a local rock climbing gym and am looking into a room at the university here in town. Kind kicking facilities. Call or E - mail me for specifics. All are invited and encouraged to come. Lodging is a definite possibility (lots of floor space). Joe Marschall 573-874-3152 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Nov 1 23:02:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA01593 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:02:07 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA01589 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:02:04 GMT Received: from stuart.macferson.1@uni.massey.ac.nz () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1586) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA01584 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:02:02 GMT Received: from cc-server9.massey.ac.nz (cc-server9.massey.ac.nz [130.123.128.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08691 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:02:02 -0800 Received: from stu (actually p63-tnt-ak-1.auck.ihug.co.nz) by cc-server9 with SMTP(PP); Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:00:15 +1300 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971102115838.006fc5bc@uni.massey.ac.nz> X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 11:58:41 +1300 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Stuart Macferson Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 02:42 PM 31/10/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 02:06 PM 10/31/97 -0500, Ethan Klein wrote: >>provide me with Stuart Macferson's digits > > Aye, 'ere in a jar I have them, hanging off the port bow, but there only >be nine left...one I did throw into the sea, for so violent was she. The >rest will be auctioned this night at precisely 10 bells...follow the path >of the silver monkey if ye wish to bid on these forbidden objects. Yarrr! > >-- >Ernest "Kraken" Crvich > > Ayeeeeee, me was wondering were those hud gotten too ma laddy..... Ethan, Stuart 'Black Beard' Macferson (thats I, with a capital I), can be contacted at the email address above and below in regards to digits: stuart.macferson.1@uni.massey.ac.nz (yes, it is in the guiness book of records as the longest email address) stu From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 3 18:33:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01536 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:32:06 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01532 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:32:04 GMT Received: from tuhuge@sfsu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1529) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01527 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:32:03 GMT Received: from diana.sfsu.edu (diana.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.239]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA32236 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:32:03 -0800 Received: from station33.sfsu.edu (24hrlab-233.sfsu.edu [130.212.37.233]) by diana.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA21021 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:31:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971103103059.006a0004@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: tuhuge@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 10:30:59 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: 2 Huge Subject: [freestyle] 1997 Worlds Routines Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Howdy all you footbag players! I just finished editing the 1997 Worlds Routines tape and it's jam packed (A full 2 hours) of some of the best routines from this years world championships. It features dropless routines from Eric Wulff, Ryan Mulroney, and Peter Irish. This is your chance to actually see what everyone is talking about! If anyone is intrested in obtaining this PRIcless footbag heirloom: send a check for $15 made out to Tuan Vu to: Vu Brothers 4533 California Street San Francisco, CA 94118 Also available: 1997 SHRED Featuring the Greatest stuff from this years Western Regionals and World Championship including kenny shults LAST freestyle JAM! The tape is 1 hour of the sickest stuff freestyle has to offer Coming soon!!!! 1997 NET This will be a net tape of some of the great matchs from this year's World championship including the *EPIC* finals match between Randy Mulder and Kenny Shults. BTW, I have been hearing great things about Shreeded Wheat (Sean Wingert's tape). I can't wait to get my copy!!!! thanks a bunch, 2 Huge From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 4 01:18:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04494 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:18:05 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04490 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:18:03 GMT Received: from anaesthetized@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4487) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA04485 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:18:02 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F101.hotmail.com [207.82.250.220]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06762 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:18:04 -0800 Received: (qmail 2689 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1997 01:17:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104011740.2688.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.183.41.65 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:17:38 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.183.41.65] From: "j p" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] my new elitist club Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:17:38 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Salutations, Freestylers of Earth; I have been skooling harder than usual recently, because I don't have much good weather left in my region and have yet to find an indoor facility. The other day my cohort Daniel was heard to utter something like 'you're gonna be in BAP next year for sure, if you keep up like that' ... some of us (select few, actually) don't know how I feel about this.... Many players have gone guiltless, but honestly... the Big Add Posse has some of the best players on the planet... The hardest shredding muthas ever to grace the freestyle arenas with the wildly spinning blades of an iron scrapper, absolutely and beyond any shadow of a doubt. I've also been hearing from my compatrtiots that if asked to join, I would be kissing toes and leaping in all four cardinal directions. But I could never join a group that would deign to call me 'shut up', even affectionately. Thus, even if I *do* make the commitment to try to get THAT GOOD at freestyle (which I might, if I find the right job in the next 2-3 months) -- I still think it would take me more than a year to accomplish such a feat-- If inducted, [I don't think those guys really give you a choice] I promise to resign my commision immediately, because I have begun recruiting for my own little group, the Big Mouth Posse. Yes, it's the Big Mouth Posse!!! Are you loquacious? Slightly hammy? Talkative? Jive-o-rific? Join the Big Mouth Posse - it's really quite easy - all you have to do is get onto at least three distributed freestyle videos, but you have to be talking about either something other than freestyle, or making an incorrect observation about what is actually happening ... for example, If I were watching Sean Wingert's new video (which I haven't got - sorry Nebraska, I'm poorer than you) and saw 'The Noodle' Ahren Gehrman - whoops I mean *The* *Torch* - pull paradox whirl, ripwalk, blur, paradon, flurry, butterfly, spinning whirl, drifter - and heard someone say, "wow, sweet gyro whirl, *Torch*" or possibly "holy crow! was that paradox whirl on both sides, and Vortex too?" I will have to write your name down on a list... the new inductee list into the BMP. Don't delay - get in front of a camera and start jawin'!!! JP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 4 01:27:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04526 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:26:59 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04522 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:26:57 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4519) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA04517 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:26:57 GMT Received: from eniac.yak.net (eniac.Yak.NET [140.174.206.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06877 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:27:01 -0800 Received: from [205.219.91.196] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA04514; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:26:50 GMT X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971104011740.2688.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:28:25 -0800 To: "j p" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] my new elitist club Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 5:17 PM -0800 11/3/97, j p wrote: >all you have to do is get onto at least three distributed >freestyle videos, but you have to be talking about either something >other than freestyle, or making an incorrect observation about what is >actually happening ... What about me? Do I get to be on it for jumping up and down during Peter Irish's eclipse record attempt on Raw Shred? :-) I didn't say anything, but actions speak louder than words... Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 4 01:44:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04588 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:44:25 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04584 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:44:23 GMT Received: from anaesthetized@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4580) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA04578 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 01:44:23 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F86.hotmail.com [207.82.250.192]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07128 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:44:27 -0800 Received: (qmail 19624 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1997 01:37:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104013746.19623.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.183.41.65 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:37:44 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.183.41.65] From: "It's from Josh Penney!!!!" To: anaesthetized@hotmail.com, brat@footbag.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] my new elitist club Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 20:37:44 EST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >What about me? Do I get to be on it for jumping up and down during Peter >Irish's eclipse record attempt on Raw Shred? :-) I didn't say anything, >but actions speak louder than words... Well.. you can form the 'jumping up and down' posse. But we're "talking" about being annoying ONLY on the verbal level, Steve. You're annoying in so many other ways.. You encompass every level of annoyance quite adeptly... maybe you could form the... nah, it's not worth it. : - ) JP If there were a bright center to this galaxy, you'd be on the planet that it's furthest from... ps. Noah broke that record at worlds, at the Gas station. I think you were in your room, resting from all that jumping around. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 4 02:47:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA04873 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:47:14 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA04869 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:47:13 GMT Received: from ericwindsor@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4866) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA04864 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:47:12 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F62.hotmail.com [207.82.250.148]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA07986 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:47:17 -0800 Received: (qmail 11174 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1997 02:47:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104024715.11173.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.30.73.196 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:47:15 PST X-Originating-IP: [204.30.73.196] From: "Eric Windsor" To: genzu@footbag.org Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: [announce] X-must Jam Host Hotel Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:47:15 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Daryl said: >This event is going to be a blast. The list of >people attending is growing quickly. Thus far >we have: > > Rippin, > Paul Munger (coming out on Jan 2), > Tim Kelly (coming out (I believe) Dec 29??) > ? possibly this means Josh Casey will also > make it? > Ryan Mulroney, > Red Fred Husted, > (Steve Kremer?), > Sean Wingert, > Cory Current from the Chicago Illinois area > Brad ?, Jonathan Schneider, Jane Jones > (possible attendees from Colorado) > Local Las Vegas players (I'm hoping anyhow) >> >Hope to see you there. > > You can count on me and Big Add Chad showing up. Eric Windsor O /|\ o \\ _// ` ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 4 14:42:01 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA08301 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:41:31 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA08296 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:41:30 GMT Received: from nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8293) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA08291 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:41:29 GMT Received: from ncsa.uiuc.edu (sdgmail.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.103.66]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA14042 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:41:39 -0800 Received: from void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (void [141.142.103.20]) by ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11375 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:42:47 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nhall@localhost) by void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id IAA19379; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:44:34 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:44:34 -0600 (CST) From: Nicholas Hall To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] my new elitist club In-Reply-To: <19971104011740.2688.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org JP- You're leaving out an important segment of big-mouths: What about those of us who are neophytes of the sport yet offer opinions to seasoned veterans on this discussion list? I myself have been kind of remiss on this- I haven't offered up an opinion on the ongoing debates of tournament judging and net rules- but I assure you that this is because I've been so busy. I've never been to a tournament (and obviously not judged one) and never even played net, so if I post overly lengthy, ill-reasoned and (dare I even say) abusive comments to people who have worked long and hard to master as well as improve the sport, will I earn a place of special respect in the BMP? Have no fear, interminal rants are soon to follow. Keep a special watch out for my argument that net courts be sixty feet deep and four feet wide (to make it easier for spectators sitting to one side of the court to see all the action) and my suggestion that all freestyle judging incorporate a new "morality" category, rating how well a singles freestyle routine conveys a healthy message to America's children. :) Nick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 4 14:55:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA00156 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:55:42 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA00152 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:55:40 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (149) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA00147 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:55:39 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [12.10.112.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA14184 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:55:39 -0800 Received: from www.mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [12.10.114.3]) by trib1.trib.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ya101060 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:05:00 -0600 Subject: Re: [freestyle] my new elitist club Message-Id: <000000451562961500362@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 08:59:22 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org, nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Nicholas Hall) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, Nov 4, 1997, 8:44:34 AM US CST Nicholas Hall wrote: >a new "morality" category, rating how well a singles freestyle routine >conveys a healthy message to America's children. :) Uh-oh... I suppose my opening move in (i think) 92 would earned me a negative score, then... HAHAHAHAHAHAHaaaaaaaaaa.......... Bock! -- Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 4 15:26:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00396 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:26:20 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00392 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:26:19 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (389) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00387 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:26:18 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [12.10.112.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA14247 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:59:08 -0800 Received: from www.mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [12.10.114.3]) by trib1.trib.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id aa101062 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:08:31 -0600 Subject: [freestyle] *MY* New Elitist Club Message-Id: <000000451582961500574@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 09:02:54 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org (Freestyle Listserve) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The BFP, of course, for The BIG FOWL POSSE Anyone that was born and raised on a boneless chicken ranch is = automatically inducted. Others can send video for consideration... Bk bk bk bkock! -- Derrick= From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 4 16:14:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00687 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:14:27 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00683 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:14:26 GMT Received: from anaesthetized@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (680) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00678 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:14:25 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F76.hotmail.com [207.82.250.182]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA15432 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:14:26 -0800 Received: (qmail 29191 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 1997 16:14:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19971104161424.29189.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.35.216.135 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Nov 1997 08:14:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.35.216.135] From: "It's from Josh Penney!!!!" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] my new elitist club Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 11:14:23 EST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > You're leaving out an important segment of big-mouths: What about >those of us who are neophytes of the sport yet offer opinions to seasoned >veterans on this discussion list? >if I post overly lengthy, >ill-reasoned and (dare I even say) abusive comments to people who have >worked long and hard to master as well as improve the sport, will I earn >a place of special respect in the BMP? You are akin to a freestyler who has just stopped kicking and doing toe stalls in the middle of strings, my friend... keep up the good work... but you must be FAMOUS... everyone must groan at the sight of you, yet continue to giggle anyway.. show up at some events this year and I'll write your name down on my special little pad. >Have no fear, interminal rants are soon to follow. Keep a special watch >out for my argument that net courts be sixty feet deep and four feet wide >(to make it easier for spectators sitting to one side of the court to see >all the action) and my suggestion that all freestyle judging incorporate >a new "morality" category, rating how well a singles freestyle routine >conveys a healthy message to America's children. :) The real dea, that which you need to concern yourself with is, you can ramble all you want, but you have to try to be *slightly amusing* --- try to keep that in mind. : ) JP ps. you, too, DF. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 4 23:49:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03707 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:48:55 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03703 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:48:50 GMT Received: from gimmiezo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3700) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03698 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:48:44 GMT Received: from imo06.mx.aol.com (imo06.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.86]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23448 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:48:46 -0800 From: Gimmie Zo Message-ID: <51b35fa2.345fb1f7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:28:23 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] my new elitist club Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Damn this is getting old. Joey From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 5 14:32:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA08118 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:32:49 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA08114 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:32:47 GMT Received: from crvich@raleigh.ibm.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8111) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA08109 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:32:46 GMT Received: from fwns2.raleigh.ibm.com (fwns2d.raleigh.ibm.com [204.146.167.236]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA31769 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 06:32:56 -0800 Received: from rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com (rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.172.48]) by fwns2.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7RTP-FW1.1) with ESMTP id IAA26800 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (ode1.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.178.164]) by rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/RTP-ral-1.1) with SMTP id IAA36648 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:40:46 -0500 Received: from odent1.raleigh.ibm.com by ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-RAL) id AA31230; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:40:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971105083859.009063d0@ode1> X-Sender: crvich@ode1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:38:59 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] my new elitist club In-Reply-To: <51b35fa2.345fb1f7@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 06:28 PM 11/4/97 EST, Gimmie Zo wrote: >Damn this is getting old. What do you think, Josh, does this remark alone get him in? *drum roll* From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 5 16:34:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00959 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:33:45 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00955 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:33:44 GMT Received: from tuhuge@sfsu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (952) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00950 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:33:44 GMT Received: from diana.sfsu.edu (diana.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.239]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00433 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:33:45 -0800 Received: from station36.sfsu.edu (24hrlab-236.sfsu.edu [130.212.37.236]) by diana.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA27310; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:33:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971105083255.0068bf90@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: tuhuge@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:32:55 -0800 To: "j p" From: 2 Huge Subject: Re: [freestyle] my new elitist club Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <19971104011740.2688.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I wonder if my BAP membership is transferable with the BMP membership? There is only 1 way to find out............ 2 LOUD From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 5 16:55:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA01108 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:55:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA01104 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:55:53 GMT Received: from anaesthetized@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1101) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA01099 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:55:53 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F59.hotmail.com [207.82.250.145]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA00866 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 08:55:53 -0800 Received: (qmail 21774 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 1997 16:55:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105165551.21773.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.35.216.148 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:55:51 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.35.216.148] From: "It's from Josh Penney!!!!" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] my new elitist club Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:55:51 EST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:38:59 -0500 >At 06:28 PM 11/4/97 EST, Gimmie Zo wrote: < >>Damn this is getting old. > > What do you think, Josh, does this remark alone get him in? > > *drum roll* > This young upstart? Why I could go through the list archives and print everything he's ever said on a page of legal size paper! The emphasis is not just on what you say, but how MUCH you say it. I appreciate it for it's innacuracy, and that is all. If there were a bright center to this galaxy, you'd be on the planet that it's furthest from... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 5 17:24:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01357 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:24:25 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01353 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:24:23 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1350) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01348 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:24:23 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [12.10.112.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA01349 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:24:24 -0800 Received: from www.mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [12.10.114.3]) by trib1.trib.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ya102750 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:33:43 -0600 Subject: Re: [freestyle] my new elitist club Message-Id: <000000453882961595696@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:28:16 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, Nov 5, 1997, 10:55:51 AM US CST It's from Josh Penney!!!! wrote: >The emphasis is not just on what you say, but how MUCH you say it. Look here, you young whippersnapper, I've killed a forest full of trees publishing footbag related schlock, and consumed enough electrons with footbag related email to power New York for a day. Hearing you scream "how MUCH" is... well... I can imagine you trying to cluck like a chicken, too, featherless boy. The day you even become worthy of your own elitist conception will be the day your forefathers of footbag have been laid to rest. And if innacuracy is what you cherish, getting rid of me could be a problem; I may just be immortal! So... shut_up_josh. 8{) -- Derrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 5 19:34:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02291 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:33:32 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02287 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:33:30 GMT Received: from nhall@ncsa.uiuc.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2284) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02282 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:33:30 GMT Received: from ncsa.uiuc.edu (sdgmail.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.103.66]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03352 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:33:31 -0800 Received: from void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (void [141.142.103.20]) by ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29189 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:34:39 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nhall@localhost) by void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id NAA23989; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:36:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:36:26 -0600 (CST) From: Nicholas Hall To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Sole Purpose meeting In-Reply-To: <000000453882961595696@mlerf.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org OK, just for the record I'm going to show up to the Sole Purpose meeting tonight... I haven't tried for a couple of weeks, but it's a slow day, so I'll be there at about seven. I make this point to warn any Sole Purpose members who thought I had given up on the meeting, and had thus begun attendance again. Spread the word- I'll be there, hence all the footbaggers will want to avoid the meeting at all costs. And as for Kenny's "No comment" on my conspiracy theory, well I guess we know who the ringleader of this little society is, don't we? Well, soon, it wil be I who is laughing, for little do you know that I plan to take over the Sole club by hiring Tanya Harding to bash your knees! Then the club will be mine, mine I tell you, all mine! Bwaaahahaha! Nick PS I'll be able to tell if you all see me coming and try to blend in with the modern dance class next door to the practice- your Lavers will give you away! From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 5 22:15:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03650 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:15:25 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03646 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:15:22 GMT Received: from anaesthetized@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3643) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03641 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:26:50 GMT Received: from ops.org (ops.org [204.26.70.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA16883 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:26:59 -0800 Received: (qmail 9522 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 13:27:53 -0000 Received: from ops.ops.org (HELO ops.org) (204.26.70.3) by ops.org with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 13:27:53 -0000 Received: from localhost by ops.org; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Jul97-0529PM) id AA14632; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:32:16 -0600 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:32:16 -0600 (CST) From: Ryan Troxel To: Theron A Troxel <00201887@bigred.unl.edu> Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] mechanosis? In-Reply-To: <199711060248.UAA05223@bigred.unl.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i am fishing for some tips on the mechanosis. do you osis with the pinching leg or the opposite leg? i have tried it both ways and it seems to work going either leg. is there a preferred way? kind of looks like a torque when you do it opp. osis. rye From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 6 17:55:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA02129 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:55:12 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1873) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01871 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:28:35 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.196] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19761; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:28:34 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199711060248.UAA05223@bigred.unl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:30:17 -0800 To: Ryan Troxel From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] mechanosis? Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 5:32 AM -0800 11/6/97, Ryan Troxel wrote: >i am fishing for some tips on the mechanosis. do you osis with the >pinching leg or the opposite leg? You just drop the bag out of your pincher and do an osis with the other foot. >kind of looks like a torque when you do it opp. osis. Exactly. But of course it's not a torque because there's no dexterity. It's just a pincher-set osis. I suppose you can do it the other side, too. The name is really a "combo", not a single move -- i.e., pincher (2 adds [unu,del], 1 contact) >> osis (3 adds [bod,xbd,del], 1 contact). Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 6 17:56:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA02190 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:56:56 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2006) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA02004 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:47:56 GMT Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.70.126.131]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20423 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:47:57 -0800 Received: from [207.70.66.166] (d166.cloud.interaccess.com [207.70.66.166]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id LAA23684; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:47:28 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:55:07 -0700 To: Ryan Troxel , freestyle@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [freestyle] mechanosis? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Ryan! >i am fishing for some tips on the mechanosis. Remember to always throw back (torture and release), oh, wrong kind of fishing... >do you osis with the >pinching leg or the opposite leg? i have tried it both ways and it seems >to work going either leg. is there a preferred way? kind of looks like a >torque when you do it opp. osis. You osis with the leg that is planted during the Pincher. For guiltless, try a cross body pincher into mechinosis. Fun stuff. Also try "Mechanosis directly into Mechanosis". I still like explaining these things in straight talk, vs. Jobes notation. Sorry guys, I *still* don't get it. It is *so* much eaiser this way than having to break out my secret decoder ring (and take forever) every time I want to figure out what is being said. See ya! Scott. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 7 18:37:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA02184 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:34:50 GMT Received: from anaesthetized@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1531) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01529 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:15:41 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F60.hotmail.com [207.82.250.146]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA05234 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:15:41 -0800 Received: (qmail 5070 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 17:15:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107171540.5069.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.183.41.82 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:15:39 PST X-Originating-IP: [199.183.41.82] From: "It's from Josh Penney!!!!" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] yesterday's session Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 12:15:39 EST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Seeing as how nobody liked my last thread I'll start anew. Hi. Yesterday was an okay session for me, although 'twas a little too cold here. Anyone have a loft or gymnasium in NYC that they're not using currently? I was glad because I started hitting barfly the way I feel it should be hit- very close to the body, and not *the*. I also came really close to paradox drifter. Whoopie. Actually, Dan came to the realization (and then clued me in) that you have to move [ kinda sliding] *back* to some degree to get out of the way right after the set, and I was workin' it much better after that. Wonder what y'all think about that. Anyone have any tips for the High, High, Plains, Plains, Drifter, Drifter, Drifter, Drifter? or come to think of it, Blurriest? JP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 7 19:07:52 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02444 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:07:41 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2279) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA02277 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:52:37 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F10.hotmail.com [207.82.250.21]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06783 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:52:38 -0800 Received: (qmail 5762 invoked by uid 0); 7 Nov 1997 18:52:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19971107185233.5761.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.249.188.156 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:52:33 PST X-Originating-IP: [38.249.188.156] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] mechanosis Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:52:33 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Steve wrote: > >You just drop the bag out of your pincher and do an osis with the >other foot. > >Exactly. But of course it's not a torque because there's >no dexterity. I would consider it a dexterity. A relatively easy dexterity (1/2 dexterity if you will) but certainly a dexterity. What's your opinion? We'd like to know. DK ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 7 20:15:24 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03064 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:15:03 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2853) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02851 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:56:30 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.196] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08097 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:56:31 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971107185233.5761.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:58:11 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] mechanosis Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:52 AM -0800 11/7/97, Daniel Kramer wrote: >>Exactly. But of course it's not a torque because there's >no >dexterity. > >I would consider it a dexterity. A relatively easy dexterity (1/2 >dexterity if you will) but certainly a dexterity. Well, this gets into a whole new discussion I'd like to start about dexterities and what they really are. But I'll save the meat of that discussion for a separate thread... On the subject of "mechanosis", I think it's kind of clear: when you drop the bag out of your pincher, you just put your setting leg down. That's not really a dexterity (even a half dexterity or 1/4 dexterity) by anyone's definition. It's just a plant. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 7 20:25:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03211 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:25:12 GMT Received: from klein@proscape.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3114) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA03112 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:18:24 GMT Received: from proxyserv.proscape.com (mail.proscape.com [205.147.246.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08510 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:18:25 -0800 Received: by proxyserv.proscape.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCEB8F.EF4839F0@proxyserv.proscape.com>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:15:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ethan Klein To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: yesterday's session Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:15:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In response to Josh's thread regarding dankitty mcneuvers and how to nail them. I hit my first paradox drifter last week. Woohoo! anyway, the key for me resided in WORKING my regular drifter (the side with the same catching motion as paradox drifter) After the drifter attains full establishment in muscle memory (n-gram development) it's just a question of getting the set to the appropriate level (a little higher than paradox mirage for me) and then speeding back down and under the sack. I just think about "willing it" You've only seen paradox drifter on video about 400 times, your mind KNOWS what it looks like. It comes down to willful execution, trial and error, and patience. Your advice regarding barfly (issued at the juggling convention) (turn into it with the circling side of the body) has proved effective. Niceness! I'd imagine a similar swing tip would prove beneficial in bluriest. I need advise on paradox double leg over!!! I'm so close but just can't snake it. Also, I have major trouble with paradox torque, I just can't seem to turn back around to complete the torquing motion. Any suggestions? Shred onward and outward with determined solidity - Ethan From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 7 20:42:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03451 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:42:01 GMT Received: from hill9361@uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3291) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA03289 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:28:38 GMT Received: from raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (raven.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.192.43]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08672 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:28:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by raven.csrv.uidaho.edu with SMTP (8.7.6/8.7.1) id MAA23530 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:28:37 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.csrv.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:28:37 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand X-Sender: hill9361@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] yesterday's session In-Reply-To: <19971107171540.5069.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Yeah, my session was nice as well...I hit what I call the 'whirlwind' blurry symposium barrage, bail to opposite double over down. NOT __________________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 7 20:42:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA03468 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:42:05 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3352) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA03350 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:34:37 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [12.10.112.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08798 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:34:38 -0800 Received: from www.mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [12.10.114.3]) by trib1.trib.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id fa104915 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:43:24 -0600 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: yesterday's session Message-Id: <000000459372961779906@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 14:38:26 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, Nov 7, 1997, 2:15:07 PM US CST Ethan Klein wrote: > I need advise on paradox double leg over!!! I'm so close but just >can't snake it. Also, I have major trouble with paradox torque, I For me, the set for both of those moves is nearly the same: significantly higher than the 'average' set - just below waist level for me. For the PDL, the higher set allows me an extra millisecond or two of time to get back under the bag (that move is difficult all out of proportion to what it is!); for the Pdx Torque, you really have to concentrate on setting your body rotation for the torque spin, and executing the paradox mirage as an integrated, opposing sub-component of the larger spin. -- Derrick Fogle -- Heartland Eye Banks -- dfogle@mlerf.org -- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 7 22:50:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA04560 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:50:52 GMT Received: from gimmiezo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4436) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA04434 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:40:14 GMT From: GimmieZo@aol.com Received: from mrin51.mail.aol.com (mrin51.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.161]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10976 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:40:16 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin51.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA16148; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:40:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:40:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971107174000_-1509359801@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: Klein@proscape.com, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: yesterday's session Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 97-11-07 16:50:33 EST, Klein@proscape.com writes: << I need advise on paradox double leg over!!! I'm so close but just can't snake it. Also, I have major trouble with paradox torque, I just can't seem to turn back around to complete the torquing motion. Any suggestions? >> Ethan, I cant help you with the paradox dbl leg over but as for the paradox torque i have a suggestion. After you set the footbag pretend like you are only going for a paradox mirage but just as soon as the miraging leg gets directly above the footbag, slightly throw your whole body in the opposite direction of where the osis is going to land. As you throw your body, use that momentum to finish the spinning motion that you started with the original mirage. I know that sounds strange but i dont know how else to say it with words. Also make sure that you spin ALL THE WAY around because if you dont then the back of your osising foot will be infront of the footbag. Good luck. Joey From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 7 22:51:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA04580 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:51:44 GMT Received: from gimmiezo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4507) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA04505 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:49:39 GMT From: GimmieZo@aol.com Received: from mrin40.mail.aol.com (mrin40.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.150]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11112 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:49:42 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA16217 for Freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:49:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:49:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971107174940_506435915@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Drifter Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guyz I'm having problems with the drifter. it seems like every time i put my catching foot where it is supposed to be at the end of the move, the footbag is still over on the other side. Do you have to actually rotate your body or set it so that it travels across your body. I have also been working on a smear (pixie Mirage) and i cant seem to get the timing down on that as well. by the time i finish the pixie its too late to whip the other foot around. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks! Joey From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Nov 7 23:54:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA05401 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 23:54:39 GMT Received: from scalf@utdallas.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5088) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA05086 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 23:44:55 GMT Received: from utdallas.edu (utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12114 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:44:58 -0800 Received: from apache.utdallas.edu (scalf@apache.utdallas.edu [129.110.16.9]) by utdallas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27530; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:44:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (scalf@localhost) by apache.utdallas.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA25610; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:44:57 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: apache.utdallas.edu: scalf owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:44:56 -0600 (CST) From: Derric Scalf To: GimmieZo@aol.com cc: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Drifter In-Reply-To: <971107174940_506435915@mrin40.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Not that I am an expert on either of these moves, but I'll tell you what almost works for me. As far as drifter, yes. Rotating your body helps a lot. My main problem is having the bag hit the knee of my set leg when I'm trying to catch it. Maybe someone can give me advice on that? With the smear, the pixie is the all important thing. If you work on getting that pixie set up about waist high, then you'll have plenty of time for a mirage after it. Then, of course, there are the freaks (Jeremy) who can bust a pixie double over down. Maybe they should be giving advice on pixies... Hope this helps. -D On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 GimmieZo@aol.com wrote: > Hey guyz I'm having problems with the drifter. it seems like every time i put > my catching foot where it is supposed to be at the end of the move, the > footbag is still over on the other side. Do you have to actually rotate your > body or set it so that it travels across your body. > > I have also been working on a smear (pixie Mirage) and i cant seem to > get the timing down on that as well. by the time i finish the pixie its too > late to whip the other foot around. Any suggestions would be great. > > Thanks! > Joey > > > From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Nov 8 18:49:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01231 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:49:00 GMT Received: from mstrong.ix.netcom.com@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (7253) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA07251 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 04:42:03 GMT Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16131 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:42:08 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA19025 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:42:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx1-13.ix.netcom.com(207.94.120.77) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012072; Fri Nov 7 21:58:49 1997 Received: by dal-tx1-13.ix.netcom.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BCEBC8.26BC6A40@dal-tx1-13.ix.netcom.com>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:57:33 -0600 Message-ID: <01BCEBC8.26BC6A40@dal-tx1-13.ix.netcom.com> From: Matt Strong To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] RE: Drifter Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:56:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Joey wrote: >Hey guyz I'm having problems with the drifter. it seems like every time i put >my catching foot where it is supposed to be at the end of the move, the >footbag is still over on the other side. Do you have to actually rotate your >body or set it so that it travels across your body. > > I have also been working on a smear (pixie Mirage) and i cant seem to >get the timing down on that as well. by the time i finish the pixie its too >late to whip the other foot around. Any suggestions would be great. Joey, What helped me with drifter's is getting my blurry set down. Once I could get the fast clipper set mirage, then torque, ripwalk and stepping butterfly came pretty easily. For the blur set, I just think about jumping off my support leg while sort of throwing the bag up with my set leg. Once I got this down, I started doing drifter in a rather stupid way, I would do a big blurry set and catch it on the opposite clipper. It was like I was trying to avoid the extra dexterity with my set foot. Now, I concentrate on doing a smaller jump and smaller dexterity. Right from the set, I immediately start getting my foot ready to catch the bag. Hope this helps. As for pixie sets, I'm still trying to get them higher. All I can figure is look at tapes of Daryl Genz. In 97 Shred and Shredded Wheat he hits several smears and pixie butterflys. -Matt From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Nov 9 09:04:07 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA05021 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:03:44 GMT Received: from gimmiezo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3639) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA03637 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 02:48:22 GMT From: GimmieZo@aol.com Received: from mrin84.mail.aol.com (mrin84.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27041 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:48:27 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin84.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA17909 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:48:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:48:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971108214824_1996068162@mrin84.mail.aol.com> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Puzzling... Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I cant seem to find a name for this move but maybe someone out there knows. TOE > OP IN > OP IN > SAME INSIDE Some kind of a blur??? Anyone know the move name? Thanks Joey From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Nov 9 09:18:56 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id JAA05089 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:18:55 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5059) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA05057 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:18:19 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.196] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA30024 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 01:18:27 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971108214824_1996068162@mrin84.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 01:20:02 -0800 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Puzzling... Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 6:48 PM -0800 11/8/97, GimmieZo@aol.com wrote: >I cant seem to find a name for this move but maybe someone out there knows. > >TOE > OP IN > OP IN > SAME INSIDE > >Some kind of a blur??? Anyone know the move name? Not a blur; it would be a toe-set blur if the final delay was with the opposite foot (i.e., "toe > op in dex > op in dex > op toe" is a toe-set blur; catching on the inside surface doesn't really change the move so it'd still be a toe-set blur). However, note that toe-set blur (not the move you describe) is only worth 3 adds even though in most people's opinions (excepting Jeremy Keller and The Sock) it's harder than clipper-set blur... This is because you can't have a paradox from a toe. But the move you describe is basically a "Miraging Guay" (pronounced gwhy), although I know of a special name for it. BTW, it's not paradox, even if set from a clipper (although it should be :-)). You would call this "stepping guay" if set from clipper. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Nov 9 19:25:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA01054 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:24:47 GMT Received: from sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (885) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA00883 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:05:42 GMT Received: from dept.english.upenn.edu (DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU [130.91.75.246]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01090 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:05:43 -0800 Received: (from sunilj@localhost) by dept.english.upenn.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA57778; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:05:37 -0500 From: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) Message-Id: <199711091905.OAA57778@dept.english.upenn.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Drifter To: GimmieZo@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:05:37 -0500 (EST) Cc: freestyle@footbag.org (fb) In-Reply-To: <971107174940_506435915@mrin40.mail.aol.com> from "GimmieZo@aol.com" at Nov 7, 97 05:49:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org According to GimmieZo@aol.com: > > I have also been working on a smear (pixie Mirage) and i cant seem to > get the timing down on that as well. by the time i finish the pixie its too > late to whip the other foot around. Any suggestions would be great. > The best advice I can give on smear (and any other pixie set moves) is to concentrate on getting your set foot back to the ground as soon as possible, force it down as soon as you clear the bag on your dexterity. This gives you more time for the second part of the move. Sunil From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 10 07:40:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA04583 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:40:11 GMT Received: from fdtd81d@prodigy.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4538) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA04536 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:26:40 GMT Received: from pimaia2w.prodigy.com (pimaia2w.prodigy.com [198.83.19.115]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08327 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:26:46 -0800 Received: from mime2.prodigy.com (mime2.prodigy.com [192.168.253.26]) by pimaia2w.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA72892 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:26:45 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime2.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id CAA11526 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:26:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199711100726.CAA11526@mime2.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: FDTD81D@prodigy.com ( JEREMY C KELLER) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:26:45, -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Puzzling... Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I cant seem to find a name for this move but maybe someone out there knows. > >TOE > OP IN > OP IN > SAME INSIDE > >Some kind of a blur??? Anyone know the move name? I'm not sure of the name, is this kinda like a miraging reverse legover except not quite making around to the toe. > However, note that toe-set blur (not the move >you describe) is only worth 3 adds even though in most people's opinions >(excepting Jeremy Keller and The Sock) it's harder than clipper-set blur... >This is because you can't have a paradox from a toe. It sounds harder than a clipper set blur. Jeremy Keller From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 10 19:04:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02133 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:03:55 GMT Received: from rvbpaco@wam.umd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (296) Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00294 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:13:45 GMT Received: from rac10.wam.umd.edu (rvbpaco@rac10.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.150]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.8.8.Beta2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA19893 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:13:32 -0500 (EST) From: Procrastinator the VIIIth Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac10.wam.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA15291 for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:13:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:13:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711101513.KAA15291@rac10.wam.umd.edu> To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Puzzling... Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org someone asked about a move steve aptly labeled a miraging guay. i remember it being called a scrambled eggbeater some time ago. l8r- vince From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Nov 10 19:04:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02124 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:03:52 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1788) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01786 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:09:04 GMT Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15058 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:09:05 -0800 Received: from [207.208.101.235] (d235.avn1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.235]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id MAA06847; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:04:24 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:16:27 -0700 To: Ethan Klein , freestyle@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: yesterday's session Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! >In response to Josh's thread regarding dankitty mcneuvers and how to >nail them. I hit my first paradox drifter last week. Woohoo! > anyway, the key for me resided in WORKING my regular drifter (the >side with the same catching motion as paradox drifter) After the >drifter attains full establishment in muscle memory (n-gram >development) Try doing "kicking" drifters. i.e. kick-set drifters. They mimick the leg motion of paradox, but are slightly easier. If you master kick-set drifter, the next logical step is paradox drifters. Hey, it worked for me. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 11 04:02:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA07105 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:02:00 GMT Received: from adrabek@eagle.cc.ukans.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6618) Received: from eagle.cc.ukans.edu (adrabek@eagle.cc.ukans.edu [129.237.34.3]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA06616 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 03:16:19 GMT Received: from localhost by eagle.cc.ukans.edu (8.8.7/1.1.8.2/12Jan95-0207PM) id VAA0000017035; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:16:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:16:16 -0600 (CST) From: Andrew Drabek To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] freestyle In-Reply-To: <199711102350.XAA04680@eniac.yak.net.taz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This weekend I was kicking by myself, unfortunately, but I hit two tricks that I've never seen before and didn't know the name for them except for their literal description. Are both of these tricks 5 ADDs? I think that they should be. Stepping-Butterflyswirl Ducking(paradox)Whirl Ducking(paradox)DBL-legover < Didn't quite hit this one but came damn near Do any BAP members hit these tricks or have names for them? If so I'd like to hear any names people have. Andrew Drabek From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 11 18:08:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01660 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:07:53 GMT Received: from crvich@raleigh.ibm.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (10009) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA10007 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:19:15 GMT Received: from fwns1.raleigh.ibm.com (fwns1d.raleigh.ibm.com [204.146.167.235]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA00113 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:19:25 -0800 Received: from rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com (rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.172.47]) by fwns1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7RTP-FW1.1) with ESMTP id JAA40910 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (ode1.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.178.164]) by rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/RTP-ral-1.1) with SMTP id JAA38344 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:19:23 -0500 Received: from odent1.raleigh.ibm.com by ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-RAL) id AA42832; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:19:22 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971111091715.0090be80@ode1> X-Sender: crvich@ode1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:17:15 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: [freestyle] Drifting Swirl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I hit this once last night. I couldn't find it on the Big List, but I assume it's a (yawn) known move. My question is, are Swirls considered Paradox when set from an opposite side clipper? I assume not, but I can't remember. Are people out there hitting Ripwalk Swirls? -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 11 18:08:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01682 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:07:59 GMT Received: from 00201887@bigred.unl.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (723) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00721 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:43:57 GMT Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01847 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:43:58 -0800 Received: (from 00201887@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) id KAA13774 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:43:32 -0600 (CST) From: Theron A Troxel <00201887@bigred.unl.edu> Message-Id: <199711111643.KAA13774@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: [freestyle] Shredded Wheat!! To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:43:31 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey kickers, I finally had he honor of wathcing Shredded Wheat and let me tell the people who don't have it yet: THIS VIDEO IS *HOT*!! I highly recommend it for anyone's footbag library. Later. -- --------------------------- @ Theron Troxel \_|_/ UNLFC President | o 00201887@bigred.unl.edu /_\_ http://www.unl.edu/crec/SC/footbag \ ------------------------------------- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 11 18:08:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01671 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:07:57 GMT Received: from crvich@raleigh.ibm.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (10058) Received: from fwns1.raleigh.ibm.com (fwns1d.raleigh.ibm.com [204.146.167.235]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA10056 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:22:42 GMT Received: from rtpmail01.raleigh.ibm.com (rtpmail01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.172.24]) by fwns1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7RTP-FW1.1) with ESMTP id JAA76690 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (ode1.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.178.164]) by rtpmail01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/RTP-ral-1.1) with SMTP id JAA05280 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:22:52 -0500 Received: from odent1.raleigh.ibm.com by ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-RAL) id AA37400; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:22:50 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971111092043.00904100@ode1> X-Sender: crvich@ode1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:20:43 -0500 To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] freestyle In-Reply-To: References: <199711102350.XAA04680@eniac.yak.net.taz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 09:16 PM 11/10/97 -0600, Andrew Drabek wrote: >Stepping-Butterflyswirl Oops, guess I should've read this first. This is essentially a Ripwalk Swirl, eh? You sicko! 8-) -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 11 18:54:43 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA02224 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:54:42 GMT Received: from klein@proscape.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1867) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01865 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:24:21 GMT Received: from proxyserv.proscape.com (mail.proscape.com [205.147.246.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03406 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:24:22 -0800 Received: by proxyserv.proscape.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCEEA4.ABE6FB20@proxyserv.proscape.com>; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:21:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ethan Klein To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] guiltless strings Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:21:07 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Recently my compatriots and I have been intensively focusing on improving the length of our guiltless strings. Current good juggles reach up into the high teens and low twenties. Are there official records kept for guiltless and 3-free strings. Has anyone out there reached fifty?, one-hundred? I think that Scott has one on the 97 Vu shred vid with about 45! (World's footage). The sensations associated with sustained guiltlessness invigorate, fulfill and envelope the shredder in a euphoric non-consciousness of floating, n-gram driven bliss. I truly feel GUILTY when I guilt now, for better or for worse. Ethan From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 11 19:33:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02763 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:32:57 GMT Received: from klein@proscape.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1922) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01920 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:29:37 GMT Received: from proxyserv.proscape.com (mail.proscape.com [205.147.246.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03546 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:29:38 -0800 Received: by proxyserv.proscape.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BCEEA5.6840C120@proxyserv.proscape.com>; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:26:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ethan Klein To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] drifting swirl Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:26:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org drifting swirl is called (at least by Tuan) - Swifter. Sickness!!! He hits paradox swifters and I believe even blurry swifters! Swifter --> swifter would be niceness. swirl from the other side does NOT get a paradox add. Ask Steve about this, I'm sure he would jump at the chance to explain the difference in explicate detail. Right Steve? Ethan Ernest - Have you heard about the East Coast Christmas Jam?? Either the weekend of the 23rd or 27th of December in or around DC. Please Come up and join us with your North Carolina Swifters. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Nov 11 19:41:49 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02893 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:41:48 GMT Received: from crvich@raleigh.ibm.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2689) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02687 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:30:07 GMT Received: from fwns1.raleigh.ibm.com (fwns1d.raleigh.ibm.com [204.146.167.235]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04667 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:30:07 -0800 Received: from rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com (rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.172.47]) by fwns1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7RTP-FW1.1) with ESMTP id NAA04914 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (ode1.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.178.164]) by rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/RTP-ral-1.1) with SMTP id NAA31960 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:31:31 -0500 Received: from odent1.raleigh.ibm.com by ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-RAL) id AA30396; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:31:29 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971111132920.009126b0@ode1> X-Sender: crvich@ode1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:29:20 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shredded Wheat!! In-Reply-To: <199711111643.KAA13774@bigred.unl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:43 AM 11/11/97 -0600, Theron A Troxel wrote: >I finally had he honor of wathcing Shredded Wheat and let me tell the >people who don't have it yet: THIS VIDEO IS *HOT*!! I highly >recommend it for anyone's footbag library. Later. I second the motion. The action never lets up and there are a few laughs too. Plus, the most ridiculous music you'll ever lay your ears on! 8-) -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 12 01:06:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA05451 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:05:58 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4862) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA04860 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:44:14 GMT Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.70.126.131]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09581 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:44:15 -0800 Received: from [207.70.66.173] (d88.cloud.interaccess.com [207.70.66.88]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id RAA22903; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:43:45 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:51:41 -0700 To: Ethan Klein , freestyle@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [freestyle] guiltless strings Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Ethan and Freestylers! >Recently my compatriots and I have been intensively focusing on >improving the length of our guiltless strings. Current good juggles >reach up into the high teens and low twenties. Are there official >records kept for guiltless and 3-free strings. Has anyone out there >reached fifty?, one-hundred? I think that Scott has one on the 97 Vu >shred vid with about 45! (World's footage). I haven't seen Tuan's video, but I thought that I wasn't in it. But anyway... No official records that I know of. But I know that Hu-Mungis has done over 160 osis's consecutively. But I know that is not the spirit to which you refer. My personal best is over 65. The longest that I know of in competition is about 35 guiltless contacts, and that was during Team freestyle at 97 Harrisburg with me and Eric. My focus is to, while remaining guiltless, to have the longest strings I can with the most 4's and 5's as I can cram in there. The 4's and 5's are the focus, 3's are just as "low" as I will go. >The sensations associated >with sustained guiltlessness invigorate, fulfill and envelope the >shredder in a euphoric non-consciousness of floating, n-gram driven >bliss. I couldn't have said it better myself! We should make a t-shirt out of that. >I truly feel GUILTY when I guilt now, for better or for worse. Great job Ethan. Keep up the great work! And for all you budding shredders, just because other people are going guiltless as mere infants, doesn't mean that is the best path for you. I strongly recommend learning as many twos as possible before limiting yourself to 3's. See ya! Scott Davidson enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 12 01:06:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA05440 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:05:54 GMT Received: from gimmiezo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4443) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA04441 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:56:51 GMT From: GimmieZo@aol.com Received: from mrin84.mail.aol.com (mrin84.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.194]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08829 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:56:54 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin84.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA14993 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:56:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:56:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971111175116_42921707@mrin84.mail.aol.com> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Stepping moves Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey can someone tell me exactly what the criteria for a "stepping" move is. Like how would you do a Stepping butterfly, or a stepping whirl??? thanks Joey From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 12 01:15:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA05523 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:15:32 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA05519 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:15:32 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5516) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA05514 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:15:31 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.196] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10835; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:15:32 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971111175116_42921707@mrin84.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:17:20 -0800 To: GimmieZo@aol.com From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stepping moves Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 2:56 PM -0800 11/11/97, GimmieZo@aol.com wrote: >Hey can someone tell me exactly what the criteria for a "stepping" move is. "Stepping" is like "Blurry", only we use it for non-paradox moves (since Blurry moves are paradox). So in other words, it's a move that begins with a clipper set immediately followed by a mirage and then something more (i.e., it "looks" blurry but isn't paradox). (Blur would be "stepping paradox mirage", but "blurry" means "stepping paradox"...) So most moves starting: clip > op in dex > ... are "stepping". We use the term "stepping" to refer only to NON-PARADOX moves, as a way to distinguish them from their paradox (blurry) counterparts. More concretely, "Blurry Whirl" is: clip > op in dex > op whirl > op clip Whereas "Stepping Whirl" is: clip > op in dex > SAME whirl > op clip Frequently, the difference between stepping and blurry is which side the move is done on, but this is really the difference between paradox and non-paradox moves. It turns out "Ripwalk" is not blurry but is the special name for stepping butterfly where you switch sides (i.e., set left, catch right). "Stepping Butterfly" is actually an ambiguous name, but is usually meant to refer to the non-Ripwalk version, i.e., same-side miraging butterfly... Neither move (Ripwalk or Stepping Butterfly) is paradox. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 12 04:25:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA06886 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:25:50 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA06882 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:25:48 GMT Received: from gimmiezo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6879) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA06877 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:25:47 GMT From: GimmieZo@aol.com Received: from mrin38.mail.aol.com (mrin38.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.148]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13644; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:25:52 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin38.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id XAA26557; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:25:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:25:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971111232547_1625151582@mrin38> To: brat@footbag.org cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stepping moves Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 97-11-11 22:01:55 EST, brat@footbag.org writes: << It turns out "Ripwalk" is not blurry but is the special name for stepping butterfly where you switch sides (i.e., set left, catch right). "Stepping Butterfly" is actually an ambiguous name, but is usually meant to refer to the non-Ripwalk version, i.e., same-side miraging butterfly... Neither move (Ripwalk or Stepping Butterfly) is paradox. >> ok, I understand blurry and stepping. Does the stepping foot have to hit the ground as in the ripwalk? Like would a stepping drifter be exactly the same as a regular drifter but the foot touches the ground? I still dont see the difference between a stepping butterfly and a ripwalk. Maybe it would help if you could write each of the moves down in notation. Thank From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 12 04:43:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA06957 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:43:03 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA06953 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:43:03 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6950) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA06948 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:43:02 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.196] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13815; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:43:05 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971111232547_1625151582@mrin38> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:45:09 -0800 To: GimmieZo@aol.com From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stepping moves Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 8:25 PM -0800 11/11/97, GimmieZo@aol.com wrote: >Does the stepping foot have to hit the >ground as in the ripwalk? Yes. That's why they're called "stepping". :-) >Like would a stepping drifter be exactly the same >as a regular drifter but the foot touches the ground? No, what you describe would be a "Tapping Drifter". Your foot touching the ground when it doesn't really need to, but not changing the difficulty of a trick otherwise, is called a "tap". By the way, I didn't mean to imply earlier that any move at all that begins with a dexterity is stepping.. There are tons of moves that have nothing at all to do with stepping that begin with clip > in dex. But no matter what, if someone says "stepping X", then it's got to be an EXTRA dexterity before an X. (And such a move wouldn't be paradox, else that'd most likely be a BLURRY x.) So by definition, the difference between any stepping move and its non-stepping counterpart would be an extra dexterity (and plant). There are moves, "blurry drifter" and "stepping drifter", but they both involve two dexterities -- the initial miraging dexterity followed by the ultimate drifter dexterity: blurry drifter = clip > op in dex > op in [pdx] dex > same clip stepping drifter = clip > op in dex > same in dex > same clip >I still dont see the >difference between a stepping butterfly and a ripwalk. Maybe it would help >if you could write each of the moves down in notation. You are right in not being able to see the difference -- Ripwalk *is* Stepping Infinity (which is a form of stepping butterfly)! It's just that we only call it Ripwalk when the set goes from one clipper (i.e., right clipper) to a delay on the other clipper (i.e., left clipper). In other words, if you start on one side and end on the same side, it's not ripwalk. That's the move most people refer to as Stepping Drifter since Ripwalk already has a name. :-) It's important to know that most moves have two names: a "technical" name (like "Gyrating Torque") and a "street" name (like "Mobius"). Some names can be ambiguous (such as "stepping butterfly") so we usually just use the street name ("Ripwalk") for the first version and the technical name for the other. (Cause if it was a Ripwalk we'd call it a Ripwalk. :-)) Ripwalk = clip > op in dex [plant] > op out dex > op clip stepping butterfly = clip > op in dex [plant] > same out dex > op clip Both of the above moves have plants throughout. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 12 04:50:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA07032 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:50:29 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA07028 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:50:29 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (7025) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA07023 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:50:28 GMT Received: from [205.219.91.196] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13888; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:50:29 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:52:12 -0800 To: GimmieZo@aol.com From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stepping moves Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Oh, an addendum to what I wrote a second ago: I wrote: >There are moves, "blurry drifter" and "stepping drifter", but they both >involve two dexterities -- the initial miraging dexterity followed by the >ultimate drifter dexterity: > > blurry drifter = clip > op in dex > op in [pdx] dex > same clip > stepping drifter = clip > op in dex > same in dex > same clip I should have clarified that "stepping drifter" has a plant after the first dexterity, as with other stepping moves, because: stepping drifter = clip > op in dex [plant] > same in dex > same clip high plains drifter = clip > op in dex > same in dex > same clip "High-Plains Drifter" is a double-dexterity drifter. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 12 06:06:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA07668 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:05:58 GMT Received: from genzu@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (7523) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA07521 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 05:52:36 GMT Received: from ra.nilenet.com (ra.nilenet.com [204.227.31.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA14721 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:52:42 -0800 Received: from footbag.org (slip1.den.nilenet.net [206.247.98.1]) by ra.nilenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA14062 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:48:46 -0700 Message-ID: <34680E9B.CB54F7B7@footbag.org> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:51:56 -0800 From: Daryl Genz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] More 97 X-Mas Jam Info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Everyone! Just passing on a little more info on the hotel situation for the X-mas Jam... *IMPORTANT* The Stratosphere (along with the majority of hotels on the "Strip") is NOT taking reservations for Wednesday, December 31st UNLESS you also stay on the 30th. However, there are still rooms available. Also the following people are planning to attend and *may or may not* be looking for people to share hotel expenses ... but you may want to contact each other. (Thus far, nearly everyone coming has e-mail) Scott and Valeria Davidson enlightener@footbag.org Paul Munger humungis@blclinks.net Eric Windsor/Chad D. (Big Add) ericwindsor@hotmail.com Brad Kaplan kaplanb@mscd.edu Ryan Mulroney/Red Fred Husted regul8tr@uclink4.berkeley.edu Jonathan Schneider schneija@ucsu.Colorado.edu Jane Jones iguana04@SPRYNET.com Sean Wingert swingert@creighton.edu Roy Newman roykara@west.net Jeremy C Keller FDTD81D@prodigy.com Sam Lane neon088@pacbell.net Note, I believe Jane, Brad, and Jonathan may be driving down with "Teva" Dave Holton. Hope to see you there too, Daryl Genz From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Nov 12 07:37:47 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA08344 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:37:44 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA08340 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:37:43 GMT Received: from eric@netcomi.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8337) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA08335 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:37:37 GMT Received: from stick.netcomi.com (fit.netcomi.com [204.58.155.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA15821 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:37:43 -0800 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by stick.netcomi.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA27879 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:37:31 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: stick.netcomi.com: eric owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:37:30 -0600 (CST) From: Eric Burgess To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] barroque? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey guys i just started hitting barrage, so now naturally i'd like to turn it into a barroque (if that's the right name for a double-dex torque). the problem is, i have a really hard time getting my body rotated around. anyone have some advice on this? btw, my torques are the all-at-once jumping style rather than the two-step stepping-osis-looking style, if that makes any difference. thanks eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 13 04:57:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA07710 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:56:35 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA07706 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:56:34 GMT Received: from fishboy@sttl.uswest.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (7703) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA07701 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:56:34 GMT Received: from sttl1.sttl.uswest.net (sttl1.sttl.uswest.net [206.81.192.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02914 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:56:39 -0800 Received: from bob (dial174.sttl.uswest.net [207.109.86.174]) by sttl1.sttl.uswest.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA11852 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:56:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <346A888F.693A1DC7@sttl.uswest.net> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:56:48 -0800 From: Rick Weber X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle footbag Subject: [freestyle] guiltless string X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Someone wanna help out a novice with the lingo? What exactly is a guiltless string? I think I have a pretty good idea, but I'm not sure. Is it just a bunch of 3+add moves in a row? -Rick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 13 05:04:19 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA07802 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:04:17 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA07798 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:04:15 GMT Received: from neon088@pacbell.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (7795) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA07793 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:04:13 GMT Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03033 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:04:18 -0800 Received: from colclough (ppp-206-170-217-183.nhwd02.pacbell.net [206.170.217.183]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.7/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id VAA19177 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:04:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Sam Colclough" To: "freestyle footbag" Subject: Re: [freestyle] guiltless string Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:01:25 -0800 Message-ID: <01bceff1$3178fa20$b7d9aace@colclough> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I could be wrong, as I am also a novice, but I am pretty sure it is a routine that you complete without dropping the footbag. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Weber To: freestyle footbag Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 8:59 PM Subject: [freestyle] guiltless string >Someone wanna help out a novice with the lingo? >What exactly is a guiltless string? I think I have a pretty good idea, >but I'm not sure. Is it just a bunch of 3+add moves in a row? > >-Rick > From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 13 05:13:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA07872 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:13:37 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA07868 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:13:36 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (7865) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA07863 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:13:36 GMT Received: from [207.94.250.90] (brat_196.bayarea.net [205.219.91.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03146; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:13:40 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <346A888F.693A1DC7@sttl.uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:15:26 -0800 To: Rick Weber From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] guiltless string Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Rick Weber wrote: >What exactly is a guiltless string? I think I have a pretty good idea, >but I'm not sure. Is it just a bunch of 3+add moves in a row? Very close. "Guilting" means bailing to a 2-add move in a combo that's otherwise composed of 3-add moves and higher. "Guilt-free" play means, after you do your first move, you try to continuously link together moves of 3-adds or higher. So a combo of all 3-add moves or higher is called a "guiltless combo". (Combos with no tricks easier than 4 adds are called "tripless", and only the best of the best can go for very long in "tripless" mode.) In case you're wondering why it's called "guilt", it's because it rhymes with "tilt". If you are doing a string of moves, and you throw in a 1-add move or a basic kick, it's time to pass the bag. We call that a "tilt" (i.e., hitting anything less than 2 add moves in a string). The reason is really simple: it's to motivate people to get better control of the footbag, and it's also a sort of limiter on the length of your rallies in a circle. Once you're *capable* of hitting 2-add moves and above, it's in your best interest to try to link them without bailing. If you have to hit a 1-add move (or a 0-add kick) to recover control, then it just means you still haven't mastered the 2-add moves yet. So that's the signal for you to pass it (since dropping it is really hard to do if you don't risk anything, and if you don't drop it or pass it, people call you a hog!). And by the way, if you're not obviously capable of playing tilt-free or guilt-free, nobody will disrespect you in a circle... It's sort of a self-imposed discipline and when you're ready, the better players will tell you. :-) Make sense? Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Nov 13 16:39:10 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00831 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:37:45 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00827 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:37:44 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (824) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00822 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:37:44 GMT Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09354; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:37:43 -0800 Received: from [207.70.66.84] (d84.cloud.interaccess.com [207.70.66.84]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA10772; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:33:01 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:45:16 -0700 To: Steve Goldberg , freestyle@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson) Subject: Re: [freestyle] guiltless string Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Steve and Freestylers! >Very close. "Guilting" means bailing to a 2-add move in a combo that's >otherwise composed of 3-add moves and higher. "Guilt-free" play means, >after you do your first move, you try to continuously link together moves >of 3-adds or higher. So a combo of all 3-add moves or higher is called a >"guiltless combo". I will contend further, that a guiltless string is entirely made up of 3-add moves or better, including the first move. An important distinction. There are many guiltless moves you can start a string with, Butterfly is most common, but also whirl, drifter, torque, "barfly", spinning clipper, ducking butterfly, spinning butterfly (all these can be done from a kick) and there are many more. By the same token, a tiltless string should not have any one add moves in it, including the first move. Granted, it is hard to start a *tripless* string on a 4, but it can be done. Keep skoolin! See