From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 2 01:10:16 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04672 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 01:10:01 GMT Received: from hill9361@uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2537) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02535 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:55:07 GMT Received: from raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (raven.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.192.43]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09439 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:55:09 -0800 Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by raven.csrv.uidaho.edu with SMTP (8.7.6/8.7.1) id MAA14148 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:55:08 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.csrv.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:55:07 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand X-Sender: hill9361@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] High School Presentation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A nearby hich school teacher saw us kicking one night and asked us to do a presentation. We just found out that they want us to do it by tomorrow. I think we might have to reschedule, but I was wondering if you guys had some good ideas for a freestyle presentation. I'll probably get stage fright again and drop everything like I did at worlds. Well, the audience is going to be hs students rather than world class kickers, so maybe I'll be alright. I guess Lewiston High School is pretty crazy about 'hacky sack'; they just don't know about WFA and Kenny Shults and Rod Lavers yet. I would like to make it so that they get really pumped up and purchase Lavers and nice footbags and get into the sport of footbag a little more. I guess we could talk about net and golf, but I doubt we'll present those two that much. Thanks for any suggestions, __________________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 2 16:00:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00763 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:59:46 GMT Received: from crvich@raleigh.ibm.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (550) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00548 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 15:46:51 GMT Received: from fwns2.raleigh.ibm.com (fwns2d.raleigh.ibm.com [204.146.167.236]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA21785 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 07:46:50 -0800 Received: from rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com (rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.172.47]) by fwns2.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7RTP-FW1.1) with ESMTP id KAA25272 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (ode1.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.178.164]) by rtpmail03.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/RTP-ral-1.1) with SMTP id KAA34234 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:46:48 -0500 Received: from odent1.raleigh.ibm.com by ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-RAL) id AA30314; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:46:45 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971202104457.009006f0@ode1> X-Sender: crvich@ode1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 10:44:57 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] High School Presentation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:55 PM 12/1/97 -0800, Matt Hillebrand wrote: >A nearby hich school teacher saw us kicking one night and asked us to do a >presentation. We just found out that they want us to do it by tomorrow. I That's way cool! Wish more teachers were this open minded. We've read too many stories about them disallowing or even banning footbag on school grounds. >think we might have to reschedule, but I was wondering if you guys had >some good ideas for a freestyle presentation. My advice is to borrow Sam Conlon & Lisa McDaniel's outfits that they used at this year's Worlds doubles freestyle competition. Bring a friend to the school and style in those threads...you'll be the talk of the town! Bringing your Footbag World magazines and a load of footbucks can't hurt either. 8-) And be sure they remember the www.footbag.org URL. If you can, bring the soundtrack to Sean Wingert's Shredded Wheat video and play it while you shred...that's the music all the youngsters are into these days! >worlds. Well, the audience is going to be hs students rather than world >class kickers, so maybe I'll be alright. Exactly. Remember that most of these "kids" will have never seen anything above a simple kick or maybe a flying clipper if they're lucky. My bet is that you could have a bad day and still impress every one of them. >talk about net and golf, but I doubt we'll present those two that much. If it were me, I'd deny that footbag golf exists. And although I'd probably mention footbag net, I'd add a comment such as "yeah, but I don't think anyone really plays it." 8-P -- Ernest M. Crvich Durham, NC, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 2 22:20:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03967 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:20:25 GMT Received: from hill9361@uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2191) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02189 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 19:41:57 GMT Received: from eagle.csrv.uidaho.edu (eagle.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.119.141]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25574 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:41:58 -0800 Received: from harrier.csrv.uidaho.edu (hill9361@harrier.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.119.224]) by eagle.csrv.uidaho.edu with ESMTP (8.8.6/8.7.1) id LAA29538; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:41:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by harrier.csrv.uidaho.edu with SMTP (8.7.6/8.7.1) id LAA13563; Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:41:20 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: harrier.csrv.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:41:19 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Hillebrand X-Sender: hill9361@harrier.csrv.uidaho.edu To: Ernest Crvich cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] High School Presentation In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971202104457.009006f0@ode1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > My advice is to borrow Sam Conlon & Lisa McDaniel's outfits that they used > at this year's Worlds doubles freestyle competition. Bring a friend to the > school and style in those threads...you'll be the talk of the town! I bet I'd be the talk of Lewiston, Idaho, alright. > Bringing your Footbag World magazines and a load of footbucks can't hurt > either. 8-) And be sure they remember the www.footbag.org URL. If you > can, bring the soundtrack to Sean Wingert's Shredded Wheat video and play > it while you shred...that's the music all the youngsters are into these days! I will be sure to tell them about footbag.org, but I don't know about that Shredded Wheat soundtrack. Are you joking? All the kids like that music? I couldn't stand it. I had to mute that video. It sounded like regular music at high speed.....chipmunk stuff. Sorry, Sean :) I liked the visuals. > >talk about net and golf, but I doubt we'll present those two that much. > > If it were me, I'd deny that footbag golf exists. And although I'd > probably mention footbag net, I'd add a comment such as "yeah, but I don't > think anyone really plays it." 8-P HAHAH! Okay, I will gladly deny the fact that golf exists, but I think net is more of an honorable sport than freestyle...it has to be mentioned. I won't present it though--I think indoor net bites. I wish I had some video of pro net players going at it. __________________________________________________________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 5 21:38:45 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03866 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:37:52 GMT Received: from klein@proscape.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3814) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA03812 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:33:38 GMT Received: from proxyserv.proscape.com (mail.proscape.com [205.147.246.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01125 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:33:41 -0800 Received: by proxyserv.proscape.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD019B.113F9460@proxyserv.proscape.com>; Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:30:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ethan Klein To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] West Coast shreducation Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:30:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Bay area shredders, Please enlighten me as to the synergy/focused attention/special water/mindset that has been brewing in the greater San Fran area due to the influx and dynamic of so many top shredders in one local. I always knew the Bay area to be a hot bed of all that is shredulicious, but when Penn footbag prodigy Sunil "Lightning Legs" Jani returned from said location and proceeded to *SPANK* myself and some of my Philadelphia brethren until our collective behinds became blistered, bloody, bulbous and infinitely sore, I began to wonder about what was going on out there. Special Training regiments? Fruit Shakes specifically catered to a footbaggers physiology? Climatic variance that stimulates cognitive development related to RIPPING? A secret handshake that only those in San Fran are taught? What? One standing shredder with an incredibly molested derriere due to a friend's West Coast Shreducation. Ethan From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Dec 7 04:03:20 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA03988 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 04:02:44 GMT Received: from perosidy@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2137) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02135 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 22:58:08 GMT Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.165]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15915 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 1997 14:58:11 -0800 From: Matt Avery Message-ID: <469157de.3489d80e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:56:12 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] question... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am having problems stalling my addidas bag..will i get beter when I get my juice facile? -Matt Avery From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 8 16:24:06 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00609 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:22:19 GMT Received: from rvbpaco@wam.umd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (575) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00573 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:19:04 GMT Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09955 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:19:05 -0800 Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (rvbpaco@rac5.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.145]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28756 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:18:58 -0500 (EST) From: Procrastinator the VIIIth Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA24489 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:18:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:18:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712081618.LAA24489@rac5.wam.umd.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] East Must Jams Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey hey everybody. I'd like everyone who is planning to come to either the 23rd or weekend of 27th freestyle jams at the Juggling Capitol in DC to please send me a note telling me which you are planning to attend, and if you need a place to crash, a ride from an airport or bus term or train station, or more info. right now, the only confirmed attendees are for the 23rd: Justin Sexton from Finland, Steve Goldberg from San Francisco, Peter Irish from planet Smooth, Josh Penney and Dan Kramer from New Yahck, Neil Payne, the DC Dragonflyer, and myself, the procrastinator (don't worry, i keep telling myself its the 22nd so i'll be on time ). for the 27th and 28th, it's looking like only locals so far- Pete, Neil, and myself. hope everyone can make it ( provided you all don't stay at my place ) drop me aline- thanks- Vince From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 9 15:48:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00617 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:46:28 GMT Received: from humungis@blclinks.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8083) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA08081 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:54:18 GMT Received: from main.blclinks.net (main.blclinks.net [209.69.7.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA28525 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 04:54:27 -0800 Received: from hu-mungis (pm1-07.blclinks.net [209.69.7.22]) by main.blclinks.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA02707 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:49:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <348D4D32.5698@blclinks.net> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 07:52:50 -0600 From: Paul Munger Reply-To: Humungis@blclinks.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Hu-Mungis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am sorry to say this but, I am forced to miss my first X-mass jam in 7yrs:( reason: REAL LIFE regretfully Hu-Mungis From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 10 21:48:30 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03199 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:48:06 GMT Received: from klein@proscape.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2973) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02971 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 21:24:55 GMT Received: from proxyserv.proscape.com (mail.proscape.com [205.147.246.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19811 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:24:57 -0800 Received: by proxyserv.proscape.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0587.AB4CC1A0@proxyserv.proscape.com>; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:21:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ethan Klein To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] learning Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:21:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org What is the crux of learning new moves? Focused repetition combined with meticulous video observation mixed with constant mental examination enhanced by positive psychological motivation lessened by repeated bodily damnation aided by luck? Other suggestions? Ethan Sunil keeps Spanking us Hard! (almost hit pixie-legbeater!) Nasty! From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 11 16:33:51 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00767 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:33:23 GMT Received: from rvbpaco@wam.umd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (631) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00629 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:12:40 GMT Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA31619 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:12:41 -0800 Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (rvbpaco@rac5.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.145]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15332 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:12:39 -0500 (EST) From: Procrastinator the VIIIth Received: (from rvbpaco@localhost) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA22386 for announce@footbag.org; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:12:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:12:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199712111612.LAA22386@rac5.wam.umd.edu> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] East must jams: 23rd, 27th and 28th Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Just clarifying a point over which I am being communicated confusion (take that!): All three jams are on stage at the Juggling Capitol. Last time I was there, the stage was surrounded by fake reindeer, but was itself entirely unoccuppied- no huge tree at center stage. I repeat- all three days have reserved space on the stage. bye- Vince From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 11 20:17:29 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02192 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:17:28 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02188 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:17:26 GMT Received: from hamm9517@novell.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2185) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02183 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:17:25 GMT Received: from hawk.csrv.uidaho.edu (hawk.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.119.142]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02469 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:17:23 -0800 Received: from hickory.csrv.uidaho.edu (hickory.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.4.3]) by hawk.csrv.uidaho.edu with ESMTP (8.8.6/8.7.1) id MAA02594 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from HICKORY/SpoolDir by hickory.csrv.uidaho.edu (Mercury 1.31); 11 Dec 97 12:17:22 +0800 Received: from SpoolDir by HICKORY (Mercury 1.31); 11 Dec 97 12:16:57 +0800 From: "Lee Marvin Hammons" Organization: University of Idaho To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:16:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [freestyle] A new era for Moscow X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Lee Marvin Hammons" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <5E4C4C64BA@hickory.csrv.uidaho.edu> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is to warn all you out there in the rest of the world that, even though we are from Idaho, kickers in Moscow are getting sick.!! During a session the other day, I tried to hit a double over swirl. I almost got it. On the second try I got it. Since then I've gotten it many times. The next day my friend Fro hit a double over swirl, and then a pixy paradon. Then my friend Jason Peppin (watch for this guy, he's getting seriously sick seriously fast) hit a flurry. I know that tripple dexes aren't the be all and end all of shredding, but they are pretty nasty moves. Especially since most of us in Moscow have only been kicking for less than two years. I've only had my lavers for just over three months. Not that we are all the best that there is, but my circle of close friends (the University of Idaho footbag club) are just about the only serious kickers I've seen or heard of in Idaho. We are going to do a presentation at a high school later today to hopefully change that though. Seriously stoked about shredding Lee "heinus" Hammons From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Dec 11 22:37:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03165 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:37:51 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03161 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:37:50 GMT Received: from marigold@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3158) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03156 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:37:49 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04797 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:37:52 -0800 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA27918 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:37:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:37:42 -0800 (PST) From: Verhoef Anne To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] blistering whirl Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I am unsure of what a blistering whirl is. Is it a a whirling gyro whirl and packed into one move? clip> op in out dex> (back spin)> op in out dex> op clip The way Kenny does it in Raw Shred, it looks like it ends in an osis becuase he doesn't really turn to fit the second whirl in. See ya, Adrian -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 12 13:31:11 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA06710 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:31:04 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA06706 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:31:02 GMT Received: from shahrayar@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6703) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA06701 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:31:01 GMT Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.172]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA13741 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 05:31:10 -0800 From: SHAHRAYAR Message-ID: <38b12c0d.34913b21@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:24:47 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] learning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org <; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:22:12 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F12.hotmail.com [207.82.250.23]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA14817 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:22:10 -0800 Received: (qmail 13990 invoked by uid 0); 12 Dec 1997 15:22:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19971212152209.13989.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 38.249.188.156 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:22:09 PST X-Originating-IP: [38.249.188.156] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] On the Sunil Side of the Street Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:22:09 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >< >man, that is nasty....is that a Tuan special? Sunil special my friend. Sunil special. Anybody on the west coast come up with funny names for Sunil? I've been credited with names like Sunil-Side-Up and Penisunillin (the antibiotic, please pronounce it like the antibiotic!) Maybe BAP has a few suggestions... DK ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 12 15:59:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00408 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:58:16 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00404 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:58:13 GMT Received: from klein@proscape.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (401) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00399 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:58:13 GMT Received: from proxyserv.proscape.com (mail.proscape.com [205.147.246.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA15255 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:58:13 -0800 Received: by proxyserv.proscape.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD06EC.5A6E2BA0@proxyserv.proscape.com>; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:54:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ethan Klein To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Sunil "Turbo" Jani Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:54:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sunil will definitely be embarrassed that we are discussing him so much BUT.. He's just so discussable. Penn Sunil nicknames: Linus (Sunil backwards) Sunil "Lightning Legs" Jani Sunil "Turbo" Jani (the original) Sunil "Rapid Fire" Jani Sunil "Slow down you're making me nauseous" Jani Sunil "He keeps going, and going, and going, and going..." Jani Sunil "Wielding the life-force generating wand of immaculata" Jani Whoa! (can't help but to utter it when watching him, with an air of astonishment) Janilicious Sunilrectamy ( as in, "Thanks for that Sunilrectamy) What? (in response to the combos that he just nailed) nil -nil Sunil Jammy (as in, " Now I got a Jammy in my hand, Damn! Oooohhh, listen to the way I slay... LL Cool J) "The Sunil will come out, Tomorrow.." (Annie) Stupid, Yes, but funny! S-nil (old faithful) The man makes me feel like my game is as flat as a pancake and I love him for it! Ethan In response to pixie legbeater, I think it should be called "Supersmudge" or maybe just "Stain." From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Dec 12 19:50:35 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02171 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:50:27 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02167 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:50:26 GMT Received: from hamm9517@novell.uidaho.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2164) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02162 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:50:25 GMT Received: from hawk.csrv.uidaho.edu (hawk.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.119.142]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18472 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:50:26 -0800 Received: from hickory.csrv.uidaho.edu (hickory.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.4.3]) by hawk.csrv.uidaho.edu with ESMTP (8.8.6/8.7.1) id LAA23476 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from HICKORY/SpoolDir by hickory.csrv.uidaho.edu (Mercury 1.31); 12 Dec 97 11:50:26 +0800 Received: from SpoolDir by HICKORY (Mercury 1.31); 12 Dec 97 11:50:19 +0800 From: "Lee Marvin Hammons" Organization: University of Idaho To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:50:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [freestyle] Smurfs X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Lee Marvin Hammons" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <75DC167403@hickory.csrv.uidaho.edu> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If a pixy mirage is a smear, and a miraging rake is a swerve, would a pixy miraging rake be a smurf? From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Dec 14 02:10:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA02544 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:09:23 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA02540 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:09:22 GMT Received: from perosidy@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2537) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA02535 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:09:21 GMT Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.170]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07645 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:09:26 -0800 From: Perosidy Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:08:19 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Learning New Tricks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, I am quite new at the footbag sport and am slowly getting discurraged (as I finish learning the basics). Please, If you have any incuragement...or any tips, I'd love to hear them. Thanks, Matt A. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 15 00:23:58 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA01940 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:23:14 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA01936 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:23:13 GMT Received: from prodidfb@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1933) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA01931 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 00:23:13 GMT Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.175]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21446 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 16:23:16 -0800 From: PRODIDFB Message-ID: <6dd08aa7.34947872@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:23:11 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] freestyle add count verification Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was wondering if anyone can verify the add count on this trick. CLIP>SAME out [pdx][dex] no plant while>OP out [sym][dex] >OP CLIP [xbd][del]. I call it a paradox backside legbeater. Or a reverse paradox miraging symposium butterfly. I think the add count is 6, but thats why I'm writing. Damon From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 15 03:17:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA02644 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 03:17:18 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA02640 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 03:17:17 GMT Received: from kilobit@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2637) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA02635 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 03:17:16 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (liberty6.hotmail.com [207.82.250.166]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA24743 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:17:22 -0800 Received: (qmail 27071 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 1997 03:17:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19971215031721.27070.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.92.153.186 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:17:20 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.92.153.186] From: "The 'Mazin Josh Penney" To: PRODIDFB@aol.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] add count verification Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 19:17:20 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I was wondering if anyone can verify the add count on this trick. > >CLIP>SAME out [pdx][dex] no plant while>OP out [sym][dex] >OP CLIP >[xbd][del]. > >I call it a paradox backside legbeater. Or a reverse paradox miraging >symposium butterfly. >I think the add count is 6, but thats why I'm writing. If you're within the 'symposium butterfly deserves the extra add' bunch, then your count would be correct. But the name sounds weird.. like the back-end is paradox, when it's symposium.... sounds like you're describing "p@-s legbeater'. But who cares? Adds measure "add categories" and not difficulty. Adds had their place until atom smasher and triple-dexterity moves came along. Now it's pretty la-me. Are you doing this trick with both legs in the air at the same time, or do you whip that first dex and *then* jump over? Just so I can tell my doctor what I was tring to do when I broke both ankles and one knee. JP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 15 04:41:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA02989 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 04:41:39 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA02985 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 04:41:36 GMT Received: from gimmiezo@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2982) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA02980 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 04:41:30 GMT Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.167]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26348 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:41:35 -0800 From: Gimmie Zo Message-ID: <5bd025a2.3494b45b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:38:49 EST To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Move name? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys what is this move called? CLIP > SAME OUT > SPIN (BACK) > SAME CLIP (osis) Its like a butterfly Osis or something, i know that the last part is an osis though. any ideas? thanks. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 15 16:45:02 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00989 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:44:17 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA00985 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:44:15 GMT Received: from copyset@interaccess.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (982) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA00980 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:44:14 GMT Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00883 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 08:44:15 -0800 Received: from [207.208.136.67] (d67.focal.interaccess.com [207.208.136.67]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA24085; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:38:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:38:58 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Perosidy , freestyle@footbag.org From: copyset@interaccess.com (Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Learning New Tricks Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Matt! > I am quite new at the footbag sport and am slowly getting discurraged (as >I finish learning the basics). Please, If you have any incuragement...or any >tips, I'd love to hear them. I don't know what level you are at, but here is my remedy for the "discouraging" blues... **Make a regimen for yourself. **Stretch out for a few minutes. **Kick a thousand kicks (if you drop, just pick up and continue) a day. **Work through your "basic" tricks like a drill (do ten of each on each side in matching pairs or something like that) **Always skool both sides of everything. **Remember that variety is the key. Try practicing some off beat stuff like fliers, juggling or unusual surfaces, that can make it more fun. **Push yourself to do a long combo at the end of your "workout". For instance, if you are a tiltless (2 add moves or better) player, you might try for a string of 15 moves. As you get better, you can force yourself to get at least "5" (or X) number of guiltless moves in that string. **Smile and be "safe" with friends. **Repeat daily, or whenever possible. Also, try playing to music. Silence works, but can be boring at times. Music soothes the sole. ;-) Stay in touch with yourself. Ask yourself, "why am I doing this?" If the honest answer doesn't fit in with your master plan for life, then maybe you should consider another sport. But I wouldn't suggest that just yet. Footbag freestyle has nearly infinite variatal possibilities. I have been playing over 15 years, and I learn something new every time I pick up a footbag. Footbag is a constant challenge, and the "funnestest" sport on planet earth. Have fun, and keep kickin'! See ya! Scott Davidson enlightener@footbag.org 420 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 15 17:12:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01151 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:12:36 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01147 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:12:34 GMT Received: from casey@netcomi.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1144) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01142 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:12:34 GMT Received: from gravy.netcomi.com (fit.netcomi.com [204.58.155.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01264 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:12:35 -0800 Received: (from casey@localhost) by gravy.netcomi.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14425 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:12:24 -0600 From: Casey Zacek Message-Id: <199712151712.LAA14425@gravy.netcomi.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move name? To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 11:12:24 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Gimmie Zo spoke forth with the blessed manuscript: > Hey guys what is this move called? > > CLIP > SAME OUT > SPIN (BACK) > SAME CLIP (osis) > > Its like a butterfly Osis or something, i know that the last part is an osis > though. > any ideas? thanks. > That's a dyno. 4 adds. -- Casey Zacek Sr. Systems Administrator * Programmer NETCOM Interactive From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 15 21:21:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02997 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:20:53 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA02993 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:20:52 GMT Received: from scalf@utdallas.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2990) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02988 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:20:51 GMT Received: from utdallas.edu (utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04747 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:20:53 -0800 Received: from apache.utdallas.edu (scalf@apache.utdallas.edu [129.110.16.9]) by utdallas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03692; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:20:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (scalf@localhost) by apache.utdallas.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA19667; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:20:41 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: apache.utdallas.edu: scalf owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:20:41 -0600 (CST) From: Derric Scalf To: Casey Zacek cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move name? In-Reply-To: <199712151712.LAA14425@gravy.netcomi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Gimmie Zo spoke forth with the blessed manuscript: > > Hey guys what is this move called? > > > > CLIP > SAME OUT > SPIN (BACK) > SAME CLIP (osis) > > > > Its like a butterfly Osis or something, i know that the last part is an osis > > though. > > any ideas? thanks. > > > > That's a dyno. 4 adds. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, that is a corkscrew (3 adds). A dyno is clip > op out dex > spin (back) > same clip. It is like a blender except the dex goes out to in instead of in to out. I think corkscrew is what you are talking about here. Try a mirage in front of it... I think that is called a torquescrew. Lots of fun no matter the name. And now the next logical question is "why is a dyno 4 adds, and a corkscrew only 3 when all that changes is the direction of a dexterity?" I don't understand that one myself, but that dex is a pretty lazy one... kinda lost in the spin I guess. If I'm wrong on any of this, someone correct me. Later. -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 15 21:35:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03145 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:35:11 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03141 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:35:11 GMT Received: from casey@netcomi.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3138) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA03136 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:35:10 GMT Received: from gravy.netcomi.com (fit.netcomi.com [204.58.155.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04951 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:35:13 -0800 Received: (from casey@localhost) by gravy.netcomi.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15319 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:34:56 -0600 From: Casey Zacek Message-Id: <199712152134.PAA15319@gravy.netcomi.com> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move name? To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:34:56 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Derric Scalf spoke forth with the blessed manuscript: > > Gimmie Zo spoke forth with the blessed manuscript: > > > Hey guys what is this move called? > > > > > > CLIP > SAME OUT > SPIN (BACK) > SAME CLIP (osis) > > > > > > Its like a butterfly Osis or something, i know that the last part > > > is an osis though. > > > any ideas? thanks. > > > > > > > That's a dyno. 4 adds. > > Actually, if I'm not mistaken, that is a corkscrew (3 adds). A dyno is > clip > op out dex > spin (back) > same clip. It is like a blender > except the dex goes out to in instead of in to out. I think corkscrew is > what you are talking about here. Try a mirage in front of it... I think > that is called a torquescrew. Lots of fun no matter the name. And now > the next logical question is "why is a dyno 4 adds, and a corkscrew only 3 > when all that changes is the direction of a dexterity?" I don't ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I think you mean the leg used for the dex, not the direction of the dex. > understand that one myself, but that dex is a pretty lazy one... kinda > lost in the spin I guess. If I'm wrong on any of this, someone correct > me. Later. I get confused as to what exactly a corkscrew is, because I know that a dyno is a butterfly to osis motion, and that it is opposite direction dex from a blender, but the only difference between his move description and a dyno description is which side it's set from. What about setting from the other side makes a dyno into a corkscrew and takes away an add? Maybe I need to try them to understand. -- Casey Zacek Sr. Systems Administrator * Programmer NETCOM Interactive From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 15 21:54:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03359 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:54:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03355 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:54:57 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3352) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA03350 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:54:57 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [12.10.112.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA05298 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:55:00 -0800 Received: from www.mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [12.10.114.3]) by trib1.trib.net (NTMail 3.03.0014/4c.adoc) with ESMTP id aa125450 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:04:06 -0600 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move name? Message-Id: <000000496602965067984@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 15:59:44 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, Dec 15, 1997, 3:34:56 PM US CST Casey Zacek wrote: >I get confused as to what exactly a corkscrew is, because I know that a Start with a refraction - where the bag slips between the legs into an osis. This is esentially a butterfly into an osis. You could say that the butterfly part is a dexterity (I do) but it is pretty universally discounted. Now, instead of a single "discounted" butterfly, do a double-over whatever. The first dex gets counted - because it is a whole dexterity. The second dex gets discounted, because it ends up being the same 'non-dex' dexterity that the refraction contains. I don't remember which is which; one of them is a very stylistic refraction where the discounted dex is nevertheless accentuated, and everyone still counts it as 3. The other is the double-over to osis, where the second over gets discounted, but the whole move still rates a 4. -- Derrick Fogle -- Heartland Eye Banks -- dfogle@mlerf.org -- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Dec 15 21:59:00 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA03395 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:59:00 GMT Received: from cfa@footbagcanada.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3037) Received: from srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (srv1.reelwest.bc.ca [207.194.197.99]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA03035 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:26:48 GMT From: cfa@footbagcanada.com Received: from chard (unverified [207.194.197.208]) by srv1.reelwest.bc.ca (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:25:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 13:25:40 -0800 Message-ID: X-Sender: cfa@intouch.bc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Learning New Tricks Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:50 PM 12/14/97 GMT, Matt A. wrote: > I am quite new at the footbag sport and am slowly getting discurraged (as >I finish learning the basics). Please, If you have any incuragement...or any >tips, I'd love to hear them. > >Thanks, >Matt A. Hi Matt, First off, it's great to hear from newcomers to the sport! Footbag is still quite young and needs new players for it to continually develop and mature. I'm not 100% clear on what it is you're getting discouraged with, but it seems as if you are trying some new freestyle moves and are not having much success with them yet. If this is the case, then there are a couple of things you can consider. The type of footbag is one. A good freestyle footbag should be soft, baggy and have no bounce. This makes it much easier to control. For a beginner almost any multi-panel design will do, whether it be a 4 panel or 134 panel design made with a synthetic suede or facile. Most pros use a 32 panel design made of facile. The Canadian Footbag Alliance offers a full line of footbags to choose from at our new website (www.footbagcanada.com). Another one is instruction. There is no better way to learn than to have someone show you how to do a move. My best advice is to play with a local pro in your area or at least someone who is better than you right now. You can learn a lot this way not to mention its always more fun to play or practice with a friend. There are also some good freestyle videos that you can learn from such as Tricks of the Trade or Raw Shred. Or, you can learn 23 freestyle moves from the new Kick the Habit cd rom. The real time video allows you to scroll through each trick frame-by-frame so that you can see how your body and footbag need to move. Kick the Habit teaches not only 23 freestyle moves, but also the basic kicks and the 4 other competitive disciplines of the sport. It includes the Official Rules plus, many tips and techniques that will help you improve your game. For a more in-depth look and to view a Quicktime movie, please visit our website at www.footbagcanada.com. You said that you are finishing learning the basics. Well, I think that you never stop learning - you just get better at them. The basics are very important to expanding your game and you should strive to be as competent with your right foot as you are with your left foot. Or, vice versa. Footbag freestyle is process of learning. It will take time and patience to develop your skills. If you constantly challenge yourself on a day to day basis then you will improve. When you do improve, you will know it and you will feel a sense of satisfaction that you can be proud of. Always kicking, Chard Cook Canadian Footbag Alliance From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 16 00:56:15 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04875 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:56:13 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04871 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:56:12 GMT Received: from scalf@utdallas.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4868) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA04866 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:56:11 GMT Received: from utdallas.edu (utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07899 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:56:15 -0800 Received: from apache.utdallas.edu (scalf@apache.utdallas.edu [129.110.16.9]) by utdallas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18957; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:56:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (scalf@localhost) by apache.utdallas.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA03895; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:56:13 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: apache.utdallas.edu: scalf owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:56:13 -0600 (CST) From: Derric Scalf To: Casey Zacek cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move name? In-Reply-To: <199712152134.PAA15319@gravy.netcomi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > > Actually, if I'm not mistaken, that is a corkscrew (3 adds). A dyno is > > clip > op out dex > spin (back) > same clip. It is like a blender > > except the dex goes out to in instead of in to out. I think corkscrew is > > what you are talking about here. Try a mirage in front of it... I think > > that is called a torquescrew. Lots of fun no matter the name. And now > > the next logical question is "why is a dyno 4 adds, and a corkscrew only 3 > > when all that changes is the direction of a dexterity?" I don't > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I think you mean the leg used for the dex, not the direction of the dex. > > > understand that one myself, but that dex is a pretty lazy one... kinda > > lost in the spin I guess. If I'm wrong on any of this, someone correct > > me. Later. > > I get confused as to what exactly a corkscrew is, because I know that a > dyno is a butterfly to osis motion, and that it is opposite direction dex > from a blender, but the only difference between his move description and > a dyno description is which side it's set from. What about setting from > the other side makes a dyno into a corkscrew and takes away an add? Maybe > I need to try them to understand. > Ak! My baaoaad. Yep. It is a different leg dex and not a different direction dex. And the more I think about what a dyno is and what a corkscrew is, the more alike they seem. When I started trying dyno, I couldn't do a same-side-butterfly, so I was working it pretty hard. I think I was doing more of a reverse-whirl type of thing instead of a butterfly type of thing. So, maybe that is what a dyno is? A reverse blender, or reverse whirling osis. Whatever it is called, I'm going to give that same side corkscrew a try. That would be almost like a symp. infinity if you didn't spin... hrmmm... damn I wish I wasn't at work... and I had my Lavers. I want to kick! So, is that the difference between same side corkscrew and dyno? A tighter dex with the lower part of your leg would be a dyno? And a more relaxed dex done more with your thigh would be a corkscrew? Now I'm curious... -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 16 01:46:59 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA05190 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:46:58 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA05186 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:46:57 GMT Received: from marigold@vcn.bc.ca () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5183) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA05181 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:46:57 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca (opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA08607 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:46:56 -0800 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA13442; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:46:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:46:37 -0800 (PST) From: Verhoef Anne To: Derric Scalf cc: Casey Zacek , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move name? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Derric Scalf wrote: > So, is that the difference between same side corkscrew and dyno? A > tighter dex with the lower part of your leg would be a dyno? And a more > relaxed dex done more with your thigh would be a corkscrew? Now I'm > curious... A same-side corkscrew is a butterfly set from the same side as the dex occurs, bail to osis right after the dex with the same foot. A dyno is a reverse swirling osis. (clip> op reverse swirl> same clip.) I guess you could call it a gyro reverse swirl if you wanted to get technical. A reverse blender is a *swirling osis* and a blender is a whirling osis. In basic terms, a corkscrew is a butterfly osis bail, and a dyno is a reverse swirling osis. Hope that's not too confusing... Adrian -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 16 02:36:03 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA05432 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:35:51 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA05428 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:35:46 GMT Received: from scalf@utdallas.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5425) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA05423 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:35:45 GMT Received: from utdallas.edu (utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09196 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:35:49 -0800 Received: from apache.utdallas.edu (scalf@apache.utdallas.edu [129.110.16.9]) by utdallas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23926; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:35:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (scalf@localhost) by apache.utdallas.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA07758; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:35:42 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: apache.utdallas.edu: scalf owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:35:42 -0600 (CST) From: Derric Scalf To: Verhoef Anne cc: Casey Zacek , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move name? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > > A same-side corkscrew is a butterfly set from the same side as the dex > occurs, bail to > osis right after the dex with the same foot. A dyno is a reverse swirling > osis. (clip> op reverse swirl> same clip.) I guess you could call it a > gyro reverse swirl if you wanted to get technical. A reverse blender is a > *swirling osis* and a blender is a whirling osis. In basic terms, a > corkscrew is a butterfly osis bail, and a dyno is a reverse swirling osis. > > Hope that's not too confusing... > > Adrian Ok. I'm a bit confused now. by reverse swirling osis, do you mean like in this example? A left foot clipper set > spin (back) > then swirl front to back with the right foot > then do a right foot clipper delay? The part of your description that confuses me is that opposite reverse swirl. Is that pure hell, or am I missing something there? I'm going to have to rethink trying dyno later... I want to keep myself in one piece. Let me know if I'm still way off base on the dyno concept. Seems a lot harder than I originally thought. Oh well. Later. -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 16 05:28:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA06286 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 05:27:46 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA06282 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 05:27:44 GMT Received: from kilobit@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6279) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA06277 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 05:27:44 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F17.hotmail.com [207.82.250.28]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA11665 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:27:50 -0800 Received: (qmail 23277 invoked by uid 0); 16 Dec 1997 05:27:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19971216052750.23276.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.186.166.78 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:27:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [205.186.166.78] From: "The 'Mazin Josh Penney" To: scalf@utdallas.edu Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] What happened? was(Move name?) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:27:48 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This issue is becoming a little convoluted... the real problem is that some folk seem to think that [out in dex>same clip] is somehow osis. It isn't. When you go around the bag with your leg in this direction, it's not "from behind" as is required in osis, but is"inbetween" like refraction. *Refraction* is what it is. In order to do this movement and make it an osis the dexterity would have to be performed in front of the styler and *so* separated from any osis-type movement. Initally, Dyno was (if memory serves) a 'symposium reverse whirl'. Very similar to same side butterfly in components, but appearing very different and anyone seeing it will agree. The major differences are the location of the dexterity (being the ankle as opposed to the knee or thigh) and the lack of a plant. I don't know what happened that prompted "dyno" into suddenly becoming the name for the other kind of blender... I think it happened early last summer or perhaps the year before... but a blender is a blender, like around the world is around the world. The direction should make no difference. If someone wants to designate one direction as being "blender" and the other being "reverse blender" like "swirl and reverse swirl" somehow came about, that's okay. For example, blender could be -- let me pull something out of the blue-- whirl bail to osis. Reverse blender could be the opposite direction; the move that somehow was called dyno. Let's not start calling refraction an eclipse on the ground or anything weird like that. Next thing you know we'll have spinning gyro symposium paradox around the world and I don't think I could really take it. Did I leave out any worms? JP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 16 08:25:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA06913 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:25:39 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA06909 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:25:39 GMT Received: from eric@netcomi.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6906) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA06904 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:25:38 GMT Received: from stick.netcomi.com (fit.netcomi.com [204.58.155.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13361 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:25:45 -0800 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by stick.netcomi.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA00817 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:25:47 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: stick.netcomi.com: eric owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:25:47 -0600 (CST) From: Eric Burgess To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] reverse mirage set Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i'm trying to learn that killer reverse-mirage-set at the beginning of atom smasher and legbeater. so far, i can *barely* get around the bag for a regular reverse mirage, much less get the dex done while the bag is still high. i need help and i need it bad! plus any blizzard advice would be much appreciated as well. thanks! eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 16 08:32:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA06933 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:32:40 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA06929 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:32:39 GMT Received: from eric@netcomi.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6926) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA06924 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:32:39 GMT Received: from stick.netcomi.com (fit.netcomi.com [204.58.155.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13429 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:32:46 -0800 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by stick.netcomi.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA00925 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:32:48 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: stick.netcomi.com: eric owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:32:48 -0600 (CST) From: Eric Burgess To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] leg exercises? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org after many hours of watching 97 shred, and seeing the guys (especially eric wulff) TEAR IT UP, i've decided that i will (hopefully) work out on days when i'm not kicking. i'd like to know if there's any type of exercise that is better for speed, as opposed to strength? or is it "all good"? thanks eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 16 14:06:53 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA07975 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:06:32 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA07971 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:06:30 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (7968) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA07966 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:06:30 GMT Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.70.126.131]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA15596 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 06:06:39 -0800 Received: from [207.208.136.9] (d9.focal.interaccess.com [207.208.136.9]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id IAA06373; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:06:09 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:06:09 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Derric Scalf , freestyle@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move name? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! >Ok. I'm a bit confused now. by reverse swirling osis, do you mean like >in this example? A left foot clipper set > spin (back) > then swirl >front to back with the right foot > then do a right foot clipper delay? >The part of your description that confuses me is that opposite reverse >swirl. Is that pure hell, or am I missing something there? I'm going to >have to rethink trying dyno later... I want to keep myself in one piece. >Let me know if I'm still way off base on the dyno concept. Seems a lot >harder than I originally thought. Oh well. Later. My decoder ring says that the above is a twirl. My decoder ring is not programmed with the nomenclature for "spin (back)", and my logic circuits clash in the order of events listed above. But if it is what I *think* it is, then I would say it is a twirl. The problem with the description is it says the spin is before the reverse swirling motion, I would argue that the spin is last and is incorporated with the "clipper" delay at the end and should be shortened to "osis". So the interpretation that comes out of my secret decoder ring looks like this: Twirl: L Clipper set // swirl F-B // R Osis Might I challenge you to Paradox Twirl. This has been hit many times. L Clipper set // R swirl F-B // L Osis Also Symposium Twirl. This has been hit a few times. R Clipper set // Plant R // R Swirl F-B // L Osis Watch out for Blurry Twirl, in a galaxy not too far away. Note: I was looking at my "reply" that has the funny little > > > at the beginning of every line, and I was reading the Jobes notation and the beginning of every line has a >, and the dividers in the notation is >, and I thought it may sometimes be confusing. So I used // double slashes instead. Sorry, I haven't been able to follow the corkscrew discussion of previous. Maybe if someone could 'splain in plain english? Keep freestyling everyone! See ya! Scott Davidson enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 16 18:34:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01804 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:33:45 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01798 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:33:38 GMT Received: from kwiyah@kwiyah.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1795) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01793 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:33:37 GMT Received: from server.webmaster.com (server.webmaster.com [204.156.143.129]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19115 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:33:38 -0800 Received: from woot ([209.144.226.219]) by server.webmaster.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11487) with SMTP id AAA76; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:32:58 -0800 Message-ID: <000801bd0a51$65916ca0$dbe290d1@woot> Reply-To: "Jay Merritt" From: "Jay Merritt" To: "Eric Burgess" , Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse mirage set Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:35:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >i'm trying to learn that killer reverse-mirage-set at the beginning of >atom smasher and legbeater. so far, i can *barely* get around the bag for >a regular reverse mirage, much less get the dex done while the bag is >still high. i need help and i need it bad! plus any blizzard advice >would be much appreciated as well. thanks! > >eric > I try to set the bag almost directly in front of my planted leg, so that when I jump to do the first out>in dexterity, you don't have to bring your leg so far across your body to get it around to the other side. Also make sure that you are treating this dexterity like a leg-over rather than a mirage. Leap off your planted leg right as you set like you would with leg-over. This will also help you to get your foot around the bag much faster. Jay From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 16 22:12:40 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03574 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:12:30 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03570 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:12:29 GMT Received: from lsalmon3@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3567) Received: from imo10.mx.aol.com (imo10.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.102]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03565 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:12:28 GMT From: L Salmon3 Message-ID: <9e7186bc.3496fca5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:11:47 EST To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #282 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am a beginner and am wondering if someone can explain to me what add count is and what like pex and dex and clip mean. Write me at LSalmon3@aol.com thanks From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 16 22:37:44 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03753 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:37:43 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA03749 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:37:42 GMT Received: from kilobit@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3746) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA03744 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 22:37:41 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F1.hotmail.com [207.82.250.12]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22920 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:37:44 -0800 Received: (qmail 3263 invoked by uid 0); 16 Dec 1997 22:37:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19971216223743.3262.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.214.136.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:37:42 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.214.136.83] From: "The 'Mazin Josh Penney" To: LSalmon3@aol.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #282 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:37:42 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I am a beginner and am wondering if someone can explain to me what add count >is and what like pex and dex and clip mean. Write me at LSalmon3@aol.com > >thanks Hello, fish-person; Adds are the method (and an antiquated one) for determining the difficulty in freestyle maneuvers, or tricks. These adds are counted in 'add categories', which are: dexterity, delay, body, crossbody, and unusual surface. For example, an around-the-world (that's circling the footbag with the small part of your ankle) caught in a toe stall is two adds; one for the *dexterity* of circling the bag, and one for the *delay* when you catch it on your foot. You might want to check out the BIGGEST source of common footbag info at http://www.footbag.org So 'dex' is short for dexterity, and 'clip' is short for "clipper stall", which is a delay performed on the inside surface of your foot, while it's crossed behind your support leg - that'd be the one you're standing on. But I gotta say I've never heard of a pex. JP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 17 00:42:21 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04642 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:42:06 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA04638 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:42:03 GMT Received: from scalf@utdallas.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4635) Received: from utdallas.edu (utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA04633 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 1997 00:42:02 GMT Received: from apache.utdallas.edu (scalf@apache.utdallas.edu [129.110.16.9]) by utdallas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04522; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:42:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (scalf@localhost) by apache.utdallas.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA04373; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:42:04 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: apache.utdallas.edu: scalf owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:42:04 -0600 (CST) From: Derric Scalf To: L Salmon3 cc: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #282 In-Reply-To: <9e7186bc.3496fca5@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, L Salmon3 wrote: > I am a beginner and am wondering if someone can explain to me what add count > is and what like pex and dex and clip mean. Write me at LSalmon3@aol.com > > thanks > The best page I know of for describing moves is http://www.callplus.co.nz/footbag Adrian Dick, Damian Coventry, and Steve Goldberg put it together. It has definitions of adds and concepts (like pdx, symp, etc.) Also, it is a bitchin collection of insane moves. Enjoy. -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Dec 20 20:52:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA00912 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:52:08 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA00908 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:52:06 GMT Received: from mstrong@ix.netcom.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (905) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA00903 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:52:06 GMT Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14410 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 12:52:07 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA11470 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:52:01 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199712202052.OAA11470@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com> Received: from dal-tx21-08.ix.netcom.com(207.94.126.72) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011460; Sat Dec 20 14:51:42 1997 From: "Matt Strong" To: Subject: [freestyle] X-Mas Jam Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 14:49:29 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have a friend who needs someone to share a room with or a camp site with in Las Vegas, but he can't post to this list since he doesn't have email, but he can read it. His name is Ariel Santesteban, and he's from Austin Texas. His number is 512-480-9590. Call him if you want to share a room in Las Vegas. Thanks, Matt From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Dec 21 03:37:50 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA02400 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:37:28 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA02396 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:37:27 GMT Received: from lsalmon3@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2393) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.166]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA02391 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 03:37:26 GMT From: L Salmon3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:35:21 EST To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #285 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just got a new "Juice" footbag from Flying Clipper. Any tips on breaking it in more? Thanks Ross From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Dec 21 06:22:46 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA02792 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 06:22:42 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA02786 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 06:22:41 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2783) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA02781 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 06:22:40 GMT Received: from [204.62.245.116] (brat-2.atext.com [204.62.245.116]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18989; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:22:44 -0800 X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:22:58 -0800 To: L Salmon3 From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #285 Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ross asked: > I just got a new "Juice" footbag from Flying Clipper. Any tips on >breaking it in more? Thanks See http://www.footbag.org/faq/ There's a section on breaking in your Juice, which includes a link to the Penn Footbag home page where they give step by step instructions for washing your Juice. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 23 17:24:48 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00670 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:24:39 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00666 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:24:37 GMT Received: from klein@proscape.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (663) Received: from Market.NET ([140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00661 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:24:36 GMT Received: from proxyserv.proscape.com (mail.proscape.com [205.147.246.8]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14910 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:24:02 -0800 Received: by proxyserv.proscape.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD0F9D.20C75B60@proxyserv.proscape.com>; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:20:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ethan Klein To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Video clips Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:20:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, just wanted to give a quick thanks to Sean Wingert and Steve for putting up the World's freestyle video clips on the footbag.org web site!! These videos have already afforded me hours of pleasurable procrastination time here at work. The excitement and anticipation that rushes through my mind with the discovery of uncharted video to watch is wonderful. Thank you gentlemen. Ethan Maybe next year at World's we'll have a live video hookup on the web so us non-World's venturers can enjoy live freestylin from the comforts of our own computer. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 24 00:42:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA02884 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:42:41 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA02880 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:42:40 GMT Received: from heb401@airmail.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2877) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA02875 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:42:39 GMT Received: from default from [207.136.48.154] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.229) with smtp for id ; Tue, 23 Dec 97 18:42:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34A05B48.2DFB@airmail.net> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:46:00 -0600 From: "Alfredo Santesteban, M.D." Organization: A B C & F Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #278 References: <199712102350.XAA04248@eniac.yak.net.taz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org owner-freestyle-digest@majordomo.footbag.org wrote: > > Freestyle Digest Wednesday, 10 December 1997 Volume 01 : Number 278 > > In this issue: > > [freestyle] learning > > See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the freestyle > or freestyle-digest mailing lists. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Ethan Klein > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:21:28 -0500 > Subject: [freestyle] learning > > What is the crux of learning new moves? Focused repetition combined > with meticulous video observation mixed with constant mental > examination enhanced by positive psychological motivation lessened by > repeated bodily damnation aided by luck? > Other suggestions? > Ethan > Sunil keeps Spanking us Hard! (almost hit pixie-legbeater!) Nasty! > > ------------------------------ > > End of Freestyle Digest V1 #278 > ******************************* > > To subscribe to freestyle-digest, send the command: > > subscribe freestyle-digest > > in the body of a message to "Majordomo@footbag.org". > > A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to > subscribe to that instead, replace "freestyle-digest" in the command > above with "freestyle". If you are changing from one form of the > list to the other, you will need to first unsubscribe yourself > from the previous version. In other words, to switch to the > regular form if you're currently on the digest, you need to send > the command: > > unsubscribe freestyle-digest > subscribe freestyle > > in the body of a message to "Majordomo@footbag.org". Hello: Please unsuscribe me from your e-mail list. Thank you. heb401@airmail.net From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 24 17:58:33 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00771 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:56:45 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA00767 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:56:43 GMT Received: from kilobit@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (764) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00762 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:56:43 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (F90.hotmail.com [207.82.250.196]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA23209 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:56:39 -0800 Received: (qmail 14507 invoked by uid 0); 24 Dec 1997 17:56:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19971224175638.14506.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.196.104.231 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:56:37 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.196.104.231] From: "The 'Mazin Josh Penney" To: Klein@proscape.com Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: A call to action [was: Video clips] Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 09:56:37 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Maybe next year at World's we'll have a live video hookup on the web >so us non-World's venturers can enjoy live freestylin from the >comforts of our own computer. Maybe us Worlds'- goin types can get a length of rope and tie your unmotivated unusuallest to the Roof rack of ol' Lightnin' Legs Jani's car - remove the prospect of choice - You'd better make arrangements early *or* find a good place to hide, Philly-spawn! I call upon the locals to make this reality, let's play "Get Ethan to Worlds" until July!!! No way you're gettin' out this year!! JP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 30 02:58:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA03631 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 02:56:29 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA03627 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 02:56:27 GMT Received: from swingert@creighton.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (3624) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA03622 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 02:56:27 GMT Received: from mailjay.creighton.edu (mailjay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21775 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:56:31 -0800 Received: from bluejay.creighton.edu by mailjay.creighton.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144840589; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:56:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by bluejay.creighton.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA269150588; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:56:28 -0600 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:56:28 -0600 (CST) From: swingert To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Anyone arriving in Las Vegas early? (Dec. 30) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If anyone is arriving in Las Vegas a little early--that is, on December 30--Theron Troxel and Sean Wingert would be interested in a night-jam session. We are not staying at the Stratosphere, but can be reached at (702) 362-5274 after 4:30pm on the 30th. Thanks! Sean Wingert From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 30 15:39:25 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00476 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:37:51 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00472 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:37:50 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (469) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00467 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:37:49 GMT Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.70.126.131]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24415 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 07:37:49 -0800 Received: from [207.208.136.99] (d99.focal.interaccess.com [207.208.136.99]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA05056; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:37:23 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 09:37:23 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "The 'Mazin Josh Penney" , freestyle@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter) Subject: [freestyle] Re: [footbag] team freestyle Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Josh and everyone! Josh, did you read what you wrote, after you wrote it? Josh saidith, after other conversation from the Sam, Julie & Tina: >So how about erasing the "womens" category >altogether until there are enough players to facilitate it? Sam, you >wouldn't be holding anyone back or pushing anyone forward because >there'd be more than enough competition at every level... Besides, the >women who have less difficulty in their routines more than make up for >it in grace and artistry; what passes for "presentation" I guess. I say >stay in open and be the role model, be the inspiration. How hard could >it b? The logic sounds right, but there is a major flaw in it. Through Josh's proposed system, many women would be *even more* intimidated of competition. With the perceived notion that they "don't have a chance" against the guys. And although I would love to see an increase in the number of women freestylers, I don't believe removing a category that allows them to compete amongst themselves, and thereby creating more winners (winners make players) would encourage women to compete. As for Sam & Lisa's predicament... I do believe that, except for scheduling at *major* tournaments (judging assignments and performance times), there should be no problem, certainly no objection from me, to them competing in both categories. As for overall points, I am not the math guy (hopefully Steve Smith is reading this), but it seems to me that pulling additional overall points from open into the womens category would cause a mathematical cunundrum (sp?) (hitherto unknown in this area, but destined to take the place of the mudshark in your mythology). Not only would it throw off the balance of available points in the womens category, but it would leave a gaping hole in the men's points system. Count me undecided on the overall issue. (Except that we need more overall players). Women add an element of beauty and grace not found in most of the male freestylers. Judging them against the men is not only unfair to the women, it is unjust! On the note of having "novice" events... The Midwest Footbag Association has developed an event that focuses on Novice and Intermediate players (it has no Pro competition, but pro's are heavily encouraged to participate in the manner of instructors/mentors and by doing demonstrations in their specialty). The event is a single day event, it incorporates Footbag Net, Freestyle and Consecutives and can be run by a core group of 2 or more people. If anyone wants a copy of what it takes to run an "ICFL" event, please inquire to this email address: enlightener@footbag.org. At the MFA, we believe there needs to be more footbag events for the novice (new players) and intermediates (already hooked, but may need to have the proverbial "hook" to be set) and both men and women, to ensure the growth of our sport. Our immediate focus is on Colleges and Universities, and our secondary focus is on high-school age kids. We don't have access to kids younger than high school, but they are a viable market and should not be overlooked. Please, everyone with a footbag club, join our crusade to increase the number of footbag events by hosting one yourself! If you have questions, call us at 773-237-9255, email to us, or even better, ask the WFA what they have to offer in terms of advice for footbag events. The WFA can be found through the http://www.footbag.org website. Sorry to ramble, Footbag Rules! Scott Davidson Midwest Footbag Association From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 30 15:59:12 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00613 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:57:52 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00609 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:57:51 GMT Received: from dfogle@mlerf.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (606) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA00604 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:57:51 GMT Received: from trib1.trib.net (trib1.trib.net [12.10.112.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA24526 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 07:57:50 -0800 Received: from www.mlerf.org (www.mlerf.org [12.10.114.3]) by trib1.trib.net (NTMail 3.03.0014/4c.adoc) with ESMTP id ya131740 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:06:37 -0600 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: [footbag] team freestyle Message-Id: <000000503652966342571@mlerf.org> From: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:02:51 -0600 Organization: MLERF X-Mailer: CommuniGate 2.9.8 Reply-To: dfogle@mlerf.org (Derrick Fogle, MLERF) To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, Dec 30, 1997, 9:37:23 AM US CST Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter wrote: >reading this), but it seems to me that pulling additional overall points >from open into the womens category would cause a mathematical cunundrum It seems to me that if you compete in an open event, you get open overall points; likewise any other division. Scott is right: migrating points won in one division to another division is screwey (an not recommended). -- Derrick Fogle -- Heartland Eye Banks -- dfogle@mlerf.org -- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Dec 30 22:17:09 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02775 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:15:46 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA02771 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:15:45 GMT Received: from stinkykiwi@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2768) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02766 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:15:45 GMT Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.177]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28425 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 14:15:47 -0800 From: StinKyKiwi Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:15:34 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Richmond? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Do any of yall footbaggers live in Richmond? Matt From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 31 02:03:42 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA04022 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 02:01:50 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA04018 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 02:01:49 GMT Received: from allman144@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4015) Received: from imo10.mx.aol.com (imo10.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.102]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA04013 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 02:01:47 GMT From: Allman144 Message-ID: <46c25157.34a9a764@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:01:06 EST To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #289 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I agree with Scott Davidson on the subject of novice events. If everyone wants to promote the sport to the younger age groups, then having tournaments with a novice divsion only makes sense! If a novice footbagger goes to their first tournament thinking they are going to compete and realize that there is no division for them, they are going to be rather discouraged! So keep up the good work MFA! Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 31 08:45:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA05610 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:43:42 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA05606 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:43:41 GMT Received: from eric@netcomi.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (5603) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA05601 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 08:43:40 GMT Received: from stick.netcomi.com (fit.netcomi.com [204.58.155.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA32641 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:43:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by stick.netcomi.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA06540 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 02:43:19 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: stick.netcomi.com: eric owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 02:43:19 -0600 (CST) From: Eric Burgess To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] move name? In-Reply-To: <000801bd0a51$65916ca0$dbe290d1@woot> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org there's a move that i've been doing for a very long time, and i wonder if it has a name. i started out by calling it "pixie drifter", which is flat wrong...then "toe drifter" which is close but still wrong i believe. the move is: toe > same in dex > same clip. i think that "pixie clipper" is correct but i was wondering if it has its own name. also, how about this move, which i also think is pixie clipper: toe > same in dex > op clip? thanks eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 31 18:21:08 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01293 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:19:37 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01289 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:19:35 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1286) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01284 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:19:35 GMT Received: from eniac.yak.net (eniac.Yak.NET [140.174.206.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02001 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:19:36 -0800 Received: from [204.62.245.135] (brat-2.atext.com [204.62.245.116]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01281; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:19:28 GMT X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000801bd0a51$65916ca0$dbe290d1@woot> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:20:05 -0800 To: Eric Burgess From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] move name? Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >there's a move that i've been doing for a very long time, and i wonder if >it has a name. i started out by calling it "pixie drifter", which is flat >wrong...then "toe drifter" which is close but still wrong i believe. the >move is: toe > same in dex > same clip. i think that "pixie clipper" is >correct but i was wondering if it has its own name. It's "drifter" from a toe set. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 31 20:51:54 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02302 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:50:37 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02298 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:50:36 GMT Received: from crvich@raleigh.ibm.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2295) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02293 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:50:35 GMT Received: from fwns1.raleigh.ibm.com (fwns1d.raleigh.ibm.com [204.146.167.235]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05285 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:50:37 -0800 Received: from rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com (rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.172.48]) by fwns1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7RTP-FW1.1) with ESMTP id PAA39200 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (ode1.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.178.164]) by rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/RTP-ral-1.1) with SMTP id PAA36112 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:50:34 -0500 Received: from odent1.raleigh.ibm.com by ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-RAL) id AA38580; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:50:33 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971231154811.008fae80@ode1> X-Sender: crvich@ode1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:48:11 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: [freestyle] Sorry?! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A trivial topic, and not all that freestyle-specific: Thinking back to when I started kicking, I remember a "rule" of the game (by game I mean circle kicking, not freestyle) stated that saying "sorry" was right out. I assume this was due to the difficulty beginners typically have, as if to imply that dropping it is "normal" behavior and you shouldn't feel ashamed. Now I wonder...among those footmen (and women) who are sufficiently schooled in terms of control (as freestyle is wont to produce), is this still generally the case? Do you still restrain from apologizing for a lousy pass? I realize that the majority of shred circles have little or no passing going on, but surely you "kick" with...errr...those less skilled...once in awhile (Laura and Mike, I'm not referring to you!). I find that I will apologize for crappy passes no matter whom I kick with, since under normal conditions I feel I should be able to control my feet to that extent. I guess I'm apologizing for lacking concentration, as opposed to lacking coordination. That's my arrogant excuse, anyway... -- Ernest M. Crvich Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Dec 31 20:59:31 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02382 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:58:15 GMT Received: (from bin@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA02378 for freestyle@eniac.yak.net; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:58:14 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2375) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02373 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:58:13 GMT Received: from eniac.yak.net (eniac.Yak.NET [140.174.206.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05465 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:58:16 -0800 Received: from [204.62.245.135] (brat-2.atext.com [204.62.245.116]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02370; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:58:10 GMT X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971231154811.008fae80@ode1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:58:45 -0800 To: Ernest Crvich From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Sorry?! Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:48 PM -0800 12/31/97, Ernest Crvich wrote: >Now I wonder...among those footmen (and women) who >are sufficiently schooled in terms of control (as freestyle is wont to >produce), is this still generally the case? Do you still restrain from >apologizing for a lousy pass? Absolutely. You should always apologize for bad etiquette (i.e., not giving a good hand toss, or not tossing to the "right" person, if you realize it). And if you can hit 4-add moves, you damn well can feel good about apoligizing if you don't get the pass off. :-) But it's still the case that the casual player who joins a circle should not be made to feel like they're annoying anyone if they can't control the bag as well. We want everyone to feel welcome in all circles. So of course the "oh please, don't apologize; no need to say you're sorry!" rule still applies. Steve