From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 1 01:44:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA12426 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:43:56 GMT Received: from derric@dallasfootbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (11818) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA11816 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:01:47 GMT Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01871 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:02:48 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA26174; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:02:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from fit.netcomi.com(204.58.155.64) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026163; Tue Mar 31 18:02:17 1998 Message-ID: <3520337B.58C1@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:06:19 -0600 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: StinKyKiwi CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Oh no, not more move questions! References: <1120463e.35215306@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Paradon swirl. It is 5 well earned adds. Ryan Mulroney hits one on the very same tape. Later. -D StinKyKiwi wrote: > > Yet another > > I saw Genz do something like this in shredded wheat and couldnt find it on the > move list. The notation might be a little off. > > TOE>OP OUT [DEX]>SAME OUT [DEX]>OP SWIRL [DEX]>SAME CLIP > > is that 6 or 5 adds? From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 1 01:44:07 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA12436 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:43:57 GMT Received: from jpenney@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (11913) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA11911 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:12:21 GMT Received: from hejira.Hunter.CUNY.EDU (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02048 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:13:22 -0800 Received: from sara (nyc-ny76-11.ix.netcom.com [209.109.228.139]) by hejira.Hunter.CUNY.EDU (8.8.5/george96) with SMTP id TAA05090 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:17:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980331191541.007b1100@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu> X-Sender: jpenney@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:15:41 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: "The Darlin' Josh Penney" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Oh no, not more move questions! In-Reply-To: <1120463e.35215306@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >I saw Genz do something like this in shredded wheat and couldnt find it on the >move list. The notation might be a little off. > >TOE>OP OUT [DEX]>SAME OUT [DEX]>OP SWIRL [DEX]>SAME CLIP Sounds like a double-over-down-swirl. >is that 6 or 5 adds? What's an add? JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 1 06:57:42 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id GAA14602 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:57:24 GMT Received: from stinkykiwi@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (13518) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA13516 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 03:58:46 GMT Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.36]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05382 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:59:49 -0800 Received: from StinKyKiwi@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id OHGIa22932 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:59:09 -0500 (EST) From: StinKyKiwi Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:59:09 EST To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] move help page Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have put my web page for the help on moves into production due to the pleasant comments I have recieved about it. I plan on going to the discussion archives for most of the higher ADD move info. Im not sure about...but it would be a great help if some of you all could send me an Email with a move and some keys to hitting them. Thanks again..shred til death! Matt Avery From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 2 22:46:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA10428 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:45:47 GMT Received: from markdenton@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (10154) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA10152 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:03:16 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f26.hotmail.com [207.82.250.37]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA05995 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:03:29 -0800 Received: (qmail 12075 invoked by uid 0); 2 Apr 1998 22:02:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19980402220258.12073.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.47.115.87 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 14:02:57 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.47.115.87] From: "Mark Denton" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] A footbag story Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 14:02:57 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all Yesterday I was kicking with a friend of mine in a park. You know the kind, little kids playing, mom's sitting on the bench watching little johnny play, and DOGS running loose. So were shredding and I drop. Then all of a sudden this dog grabs my imported twisted footbag. I live in Canada so footbags are not the easiest things to come by. Any way I'm standing there freaking out because this dog has my bag. I mean it was sitting there and chewing on it while taunting me by staring at me. So it's owner comes over and is laughing at her dog who is chewing on my footbag. Personally I don't think this is a laughing matter. Any way I got it back but now it's all crusty. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to wash and dry it? Thanks Mark ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 2 23:30:11 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA10824 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:30:06 GMT Received: from westwind@idirect.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (10727) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA10725 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:22:04 GMT Received: from nexus.idirect.com (nexus.idirect.com [207.136.80.55]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07604 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:22:17 -0800 Received: from dusknet15.idirect.com (dusknet15.idirect.com [207.136.84.143]) by nexus.idirect.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA21348 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by dusknet15.idirect.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD5F2E.BC3B9E40@dusknet15.idirect.com>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:31:36 -0600 Message-ID: <01BD5F2E.BC3B9E40@dusknet15.idirect.com> From: Rob Howe To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Beginner Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:31:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, I am a newcomer to the game of footbag and although I can do the = basic kicks and the flying clipper kick but I'm not sure where to go = from there. I have looked at the moves list but I can't seem to = understand where to go from there. If anybody has any ideas I would be = glad to here them. My e-mail address is westwind@idirect.com Thanks in advance, Rob From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 2 23:30:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA10847 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:30:10 GMT Received: from stoler@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for footbag@majordomo.footbag.org (10624) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA10622 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:03:55 GMT Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07232 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:04:08 -0800 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA03926 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:04:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from lax-ca49-03.ix.netcom.com(199.35.205.227) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003881; Thu Apr 2 17:03:33 1998 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:02:41 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD5E48.6277B330.stoler@footbag.org> From: Mike Stoler To: footbag@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] So Cal - fun before the tournament even begins... Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:01:44 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 26 TEXT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello List. The Southern California Footbag Championships is happening this weekend in Hermosa Beach, CA. If you're coming early and want to get in a pre-tournament kick, give me a call or drop me a line here. My phone number is: (310) 318-1988. You can also page Eric @ (310) 879-2615. The plan would be to play at the tournament site. Also, for a Friday night hangout, there's always Hennesey's Bar and Grill, located right at the Hermosa Pier. That's right next to the Sea Sprite hotel (and youth hostel too). There's tons of other great bars and restaurants in downtown Hermosa Beach, in our newly opened plaza. It's a great place to kick, too. If you want live music with that footbag thing going, local kicker Greg Grandy will be playing with his band at The Pitcher House, 9PM - 2PM, located at 2nd St. and Hermosa Ave. That's about 1/4 mile South of the pier. Come and check it out. Lookin' forward to seeing some of you soon, Rex From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 3 03:12:08 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id DAA12099 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 03:12:00 GMT Received: from jamwrecker@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (12063) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA12061 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 03:07:23 GMT Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10982 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:07:37 -0800 Received: from JamWrecker@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id EKQEa22227; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:59:14 -0500 (EST) From: JamWrecker Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:59:14 EST To: westwind@idirect.com, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Beginner Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 61 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org << Hello, I am a newcomer to the game of footbag and although I can do the basic kicks and the flying clipper kick but I'm not sure where to go from there. I have looked at the moves list but I can't seem to understand where to go from there. If anybody has any ideas I would be glad to here them. My e-mail address is westwind@idirect.com Thanks in advance, Rob >> Well Rob, where to go from here? Ehh. I know our opinion may not be shared by the freestyle community but none the less we think it's a good one. First off, it wouldn't hurt to buy a harder bag (ie: a net bag). Since you have the basic kicks down all you'll need to do is learn how to spike with the sole. I think the only thing you'll be lacking is a net. We surely recommend the Jimmy C net, but any ole' bad minton net will do. Actually we don't want to scare you away from freestyle. We just wanted to share another alternative with you. Net is a lot of fun and we always can use new players. Sorry to offend any stylers. Team Net Wrecker Jamie From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 3 04:11:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id EAA12402 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 04:11:33 GMT Received: from jamwrecker@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (12225) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA12223 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 03:31:01 GMT Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11273 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:31:16 -0800 Received: from JamWrecker@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id PRVHa22228; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:16:28 -0500 (EST) From: JamWrecker Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:16:28 EST To: markdenton@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] A footbag story Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 61 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >>>>>>> Hi all Yesterday I was kicking with a friend of mine in a park. You know the kind, little kids playing, mom's sitting on the bench watching little johnny play, and DOGS running loose. So were shredding and I drop. Then all of a sudden this dog grabs my imported twisted footbag. I live in Canada so footbags are not the easiest things to come by. Any way I'm standing there freaking out because this dog has my bag. I mean it was sitting there and chewing on it while taunting me by staring at me. So it's owner comes over and is laughing at her dog who is chewing on my footbag. Personally I don't think this is a laughing matter. Any way I got it back but now it's all crusty. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to wash and dry it? Thanks Mark<<<<<<< Mark, sorry i dont buy your story... you live in canada and you were FREESTYLING...(sorry Noah) i think your story is fictonal.. easier to believe if you were spiking the bag over the net and the dog broke his jaw as he tried to dig the powerful spike... Wash in mild soap and warm water let air dry.......... keep kicking ... TEAM NET WRECKER Ja mie "THE WRECK MASTER" 4 Broken Poles, and counting..... From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 3 05:14:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA12714 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 05:14:22 GMT Received: from eric@netcomi.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (12675) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA12673 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 05:12:29 GMT Received: from stick.netcomi.com (fit.netcomi.com [204.58.155.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12523 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:12:44 -0800 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by stick.netcomi.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA04565; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:13:27 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: stick.netcomi.com: eric owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:13:27 -0600 (CST) From: Eric Burgess To: Rob Howe cc: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: Re: [freestyle] Beginner In-Reply-To: <01BD5F2E.BC3B9E40@dusknet15.idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Rob Howe wrote: > Hello, I am a newcomer to the game of footbag and although I can do the > basic kicks and the flying clipper kick but I'm not sure where to go > from there. Tricks of the Trade. If you haven't heard of this, it's a video featuring Kenny Shults. Kenny demonstrates a variety of moves from the basic kicks and stalls to more difficult moves such as blur and whirling swirl. It's required viewing for any beginning 'styler. You can order it from the WFA. Eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 3 07:12:24 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA13222 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:12:19 GMT Received: from bpepper@holly.colostate.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (13171) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA13169 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:08:23 GMT Received: from eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.90]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA13212 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:08:39 -0800 Received: from holly.ColoState.EDU (holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.76]) by eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id AAA212850; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:08:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from ts2110.SLIP.ColoState.EDU (ts2110.SLIP.ColoState.EDU [129.82.192.62]) by holly.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id AAA164638; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:08:17 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35249C72.31AC@holly.colostate.edu> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 00:23:14 -0800 From: bill pepper Reply-To: bpepper@holly.ColoState.EDU Organization: csu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Burgess CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Beginner References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Eric Burgess wrote: > > On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Rob Howe wrote: > > Hello, I am a newcomer to the game of footbag and although I can do the > > basic kicks and the flying clipper kick but I'm not sure where to go > > from there. > > Tricks of the Trade. If you haven't heard of this, it's a video featuring > Kenny Shults. Kenny demonstrates a variety of moves from the basic kicks > and stalls to more difficult moves such as blur and whirling swirl. It's > required viewing for any beginning 'styler. You can order it from the > WFA. > > Eric i agree with Eric, Tricks of the Trade was and still is extrememly helpful for me. a lot of moves just don't make sense until you see them a bunch of times. notation tends to be confusing unless your right on the edge of nailing the primary jist of a move. i've had the same troubles. asked maybe some stupid Q's. :) what i'm doing is trying to learn all the stalls i can. they seem to be the building block of all higher add (more difficult) moves. frustrating at times but with 2 or 3 weeks of keeping at it i'm starting to reeally nail some good stalls and it's almost exponential once you get a taste and keep it going you seem to roll into moves--magic. anyways keep at it and get the video. btw i still love to get a fast bag going and just try to keep it up there's a purity in what you've been doing. it's gotten you this far. bill From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 3 16:57:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA15270 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:56:51 GMT Received: from crvich@raleigh.ibm.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (14718) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA14716 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:49:05 GMT Received: from fwns2.raleigh.ibm.com (fwns2d.raleigh.ibm.com [204.146.167.236]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA16557 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:49:25 -0800 Received: from rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com (rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.172.48]) by fwns2.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7RTP-FW1.1) with ESMTP id JAA21710 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (ode1.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.178.164]) by rtpmail02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/RTP-ral-1.1) with SMTP id JAA40514 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:49:17 -0500 Received: from odent1.raleigh.ibm.com by ode1.raleigh.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-RAL) id AA35716; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:49:16 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980403094806.009132e0@ode1> X-Sender: crvich@ode1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:48:06 -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] A footbag story In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:16 PM 4/2/98 EST, JamWrecker wrote: >Wash in mild soap and warm water let air dry.......... Careful...warm water may bleed your colors. Cool/cold water is best. Massage gently during washing, rinse the soap out completely (lest a Krusty bag result), and don't wring out the excess water (a light squeezin' or towel-blotting is ok). After drying, a coat of Olestra on the surface will maximize the chances of getting your bag back intact should an animal decide to swallow it. You should probably wash it again after such an occurrence, though. -- Ernest M. Crvich Have footbag, will shred. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 3 16:57:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA15282 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:56:54 GMT Received: from lewist@muellerlaw.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (14744) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA14742 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:54:30 GMT Received: from hermes.kdi.com (root@hermes.kdi.com [208.21.240.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA16597 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:54:49 -0800 Received: from dial-8.kdi.com (TINA.mlo@dial-8.kdi.com [208.21.240.158]) by hermes.kdi.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02333; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:16:01 GMT Message-ID: <3524F82E.B7A66B65@muellerlaw.com> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:54:38 -0600 From: Tina Lewis Organization: Mueller Law Offices X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Denton CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] A footbag story X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19980402220258.12073.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I always tell dog owners that if their dog eats the thing it will cause bowel obstruction necessitating surgery or may even cause death. this is true and usually gets their attention. Now if we can figure out a way to get them to clean up their dog's poop.... tina. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 3 18:43:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA15845 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:43:46 GMT Received: from mars0521@tao.sou.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (15806) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA15804 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:42:02 GMT Received: from TAO.sou.edu (root@Tao.sou.edu [140.211.92.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20658 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:42:23 -0800 Received: from 138390.sou.edu (92Net-122.sou.edu [140.211.92.122]) by TAO.sou.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA12093; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:46:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <35252E4D.4337@tao.sou.edu> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:45:33 -0800 From: Joe Marschall Reply-To: mars0521@tao.sou.edu Organization: Southern Oregon University X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpepper@holly.ColoState.EDU CC: Eric Burgess , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Hello References: <35249C72.31AC@holly.colostate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org HEllo footbaggers, I have found myself in the academic environment once again, thus, computer and internet access is readily available. I have recently moved to southern Oregon and have enjoyed reaping the benefits of california stylin' (San Francisco that is). It is good to be connected by the touch of my fingers to footbag again. See y'all, Joe Marschall From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 3 19:05:10 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA16001 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:05:05 GMT Received: from damocles_schwert@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (15903) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA15901 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:51:53 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f51.hotmail.com [207.82.250.62]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA21008 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:52:15 -0800 Received: (qmail 19638 invoked by uid 0); 3 Apr 1998 18:51:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19980403185144.19637.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.175.3.46 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:51:43 PST X-Originating-IP: [149.175.3.46] From: "Andrew Feuerdrache" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] A footbag story Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:51:43 PST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "I always tell dog owners that if their dog eats the thing it will cause bowel obstruction necessitating surgery or may even cause death. this is true and usually gets their attention." Hmmm, not a bad idea, the bowel obstruction and death of dogs that is. How did I become so bitter about dogs? Once many a year ago, when I was just starting and had, for the first time, a decent bag a tragedy occurred. I was kicking on the top of Mt. Tabor ( a local park ) with my suede Alfa, which I had just finally and painstakingly broken in. I had finished, what was for me at the time a great set, and had just sat down to rest when a dog ran up and pretty much went straight for my bag grabbing it with his mouth. After several failed attempts to catch the animal the owner finally showed up and basically just watched as the dog chewed and beads began to flow from its mouth. I was in such shock, that I barely heard the unsympathetic owner explaining, "Oh I'm sorry, but it's not even really my dog." To add insult to injury the stupid animal swallowed the then emptied bag leaving nothing behind but the spilled beads. So great was my grief at the loss of that bag that I sat in the grass for almost an hour and picked up every last spilled bead. As I began to sow my own bags, I put in each one, one bead from their fallen predecessor. Suffice it to say I reallllly dislike dogs now and this is still a sensitive subject. My only consolation was the hope that the dog later choked and died. Thanks for hearing my story. -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 3 23:55:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA17868 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:55:08 GMT Received: from nageylum@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (16179) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA16177 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:41:13 GMT Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21805 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:41:35 -0800 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id PJIa003579; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:38:45 -0500 (EST) From: Nageylum Message-ID: <2db2b507.35253ac7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:38:45 EST To: damocles_schwert@hotmail.com, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] A footbag story Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 98-04-03 14:06:05 EST, damocles_schwert@hotmail.com writes: > After several failed attempts to catch the > animal the owner finally showed up and basically just watched as the dog > chewed and beads began to flow from its mouth. I was in such shock, that > I barely heard the unsympathetic owner explaining, "Oh I'm sorry, but > it's not even really my dog." here's a thought on people and their evil dogs, i find that if a dog owner doesn't care what happens to your stuff(in this case a footbag) but they get pretty pissed when you give the dog something of theirs to the dog, like a shoe, or a shirt, or even a hat so what you do is knock them off their feet and grab a shoe and give it to the dog. this works because well i know i get pissed when my dogs eat my things, but this is just a theory, and i will not be able to test it for a while because around my parts we have leash laws which are strongly enforced. Josh C. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Apr 4 05:45:57 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA19396 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 05:45:48 GMT Received: from zogg13@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (18960) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA18958 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 04:07:24 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f4.hotmail.com [207.82.250.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA29005 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:07:49 -0800 Received: (qmail 18750 invoked by uid 0); 4 Apr 1998 04:07:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19980404040718.18749.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.72.213.115 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:07:17 PST X-Originating-IP: [166.72.213.115] From: "Steve Miskiewicz" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Talking about tricks of the trade........... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 23:07:17 EST Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ohhh.... how I wish i had this video. Since it seems so fantastic I'll have to keep up the fight to get me one. If you don't get this here is my story: back in january I order the video and 2 juice footbags (great prices, after holiday blowout). They said it might take awhile to get the stuff because of backed up orders, no problem I said i can wait. One month later I call and find that the footbags are stuck on the importing ship so I tell them to send me the video and send me the bags when they get in. A week later I recieve the video in the mail and I pop it in the VCR. Then this old man pops(NOT Kenny) up and tells me about the simple kicks and how I can relate it to other sports, I say to myself I DON'T CARE!!! I WANT PURE KICKING FOR FOOTBAG AND NO OTHER CRAPPY SPORT. I look in the mag I ordered from and discovered that the video I recieved was The beginning kicking video w/ a wrong label. It turned out to be the fault of the copying tape company that they use for making more tapes, and they said they would send me a of the REAL tricks of the trade ASAP, weeks pass and still no video. So I call up the people again and again they said they would send me one. So here I stand without my video, from january to April I sit waiting still for the amazing video to arrive at my house. Now you all know my pain, don't end up like me go kick now while you still can, and the next time you watch the video think of me siting and waiting(i feel an Oscar coming on)...........waiting for the day I will hold the knowledge of the great Kenny Shults........ Don't cry for me for I am already dead....... farewell brave cruel world....... Stella.........Stella....... (actor falls to the floor in emotional drama) Steve Miskiewicz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 6 07:36:23 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA27379 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:35:36 GMT Received: from jsbx@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (24634) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA24632 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:11:17 GMT Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14604 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:11:57 -0700 Received: from JSBX@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id OYIWa05946 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:11:23 -0500 (EDT) From: JSBX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:11:23 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] not a dyno, not a blender, but a... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi freestylers! Spring is here! This new weather is bringing improvements to everybody's game around here, but has raised a question. In my neighbor's driveway i was hitting this fairly consistently: CLIP (no plant while)> same out>backspin>same clip. I set from a right clipper, and then i spin counterclock wise getting my right leg over the bag, then i complete my spin and osis with my right foot. To my understanding this is neither a dyno or a blender.. Twin spinning osis? twin spinning clipper? anything at all? If anyone has a name, please tell me. It's a fun move, and you can mirage right afterwards (knowing the people on this list, i am sure you can do a lot more). Anyway, enjoy the weather and kick on! KeN From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 6 07:36:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA27391 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:35:41 GMT Received: from zogg13@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (24952) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA24950 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:19:37 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f30.hotmail.com [207.82.250.41]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA15993 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:20:19 -0700 Received: (qmail 15989 invoked by uid 0); 5 Apr 1998 21:19:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19980405211948.15988.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.37.250.110 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Apr 1998 14:19:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [129.37.250.110] From: "Steve Miskiewicz" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] which is better? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:19:47 EDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I wanted to know which is better for stalling the juice or the twisted? what do you guys think? + what are the pros. and cons of each? thanks for your help. Steve Miskiewicz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 6 15:37:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA29313 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:37:43 GMT Received: from eric@netcomi.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (28117) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA28115 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:25:55 GMT Received: from stick.netcomi.com (fit.netcomi.com [204.58.155.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA23952 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 04:26:38 -0700 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by stick.netcomi.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA01011; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 05:27:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: stick.netcomi.com: eric owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 05:27:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Burgess To: JSBX cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] not a dyno, not a blender, but a... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 5 Apr 1998, JSBX wrote: > hitting this fairly consistently: CLIP (no plant while)> same > out>backspin>same clip. I set from a right clipper, and then i spin > counterclock wise getting my right leg over the bag, then i complete my spin > and osis with my right foot. i believe this is called a "corkscrew". if you do a mirage in front of it, it's "torquescrew". 3 and 4 adds respectively, although it seems to me they should each get one more...corkscrew is just like osis except for the out-in dex. i don't think its difficulty warrants 4 adds, but since when has that ever been a criterion? :) eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 6 15:38:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA29347 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:37:59 GMT Received: from damocles_schwert@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (29244) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA29242 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:32:00 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f98.hotmail.com [207.82.250.217]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA26152 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:32:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 136 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 1998 15:25:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19980406152536.135.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.175.3.56 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Apr 1998 08:25:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [149.175.3.56] From: "Andrew Feuerdrache" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] which is better? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 08:25:36 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "I wanted to know which is better for stalling the juice or the twisted? what do you guys think? + what are the pros. and cons of each? thanks for your help. Steve Miskiewicz" Short list of pro's and cons for you. -Twisteds are are not compleatly round. -Depending on who you buy from Twisted is usually more expencive. +Twisteds are usually easier to stall, but this is kind of moot. If you really want a bag that is easy to stall dirt bags are probably better than both, however a dirt bag WILL destroy your game. -Unless you are realllly careful Twisteds ware out very quickly and too large before they are broken in. My advice, get some facile and learn how to sow. Bags are cheaper that way and they will be exactly how you like them. Other wise the Juce is probably the better buy of the two. Hope that helped. -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 6 20:21:44 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id UAA31112 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:21:28 GMT Received: from jamiskiewicz@acad.ursinus.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (30782) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA30780 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:32:44 GMT Received: from acad.ursinus.edu (acad.ursinus.edu [198.17.40.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA30936 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:33:34 -0700 Received: from ursinus.ursinus.edu (dorms48.Ursinus.Edu) by acad.ursinus.edu (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 06 Apr 1998 14:32:32 EST Message-ID: <001001bd6192$8ec470c0$3090ccc0@ursinus.ursinus.edu> From: "j. miskiewicz" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] which is better? Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:31:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > +Twisteds are usually easier to stall, but this is kind of moot. If you >really want a bag that is easy to stall dirt bags are probably better >than both, however a dirt bag WILL destroy your game. >-Andrew a dirt bag will destroy your game in relation to what? rod lavers will destroy your game if you like to hack in workboots. perhaps a juice will destroy your dirt bag game. it's all relative to what your "normal" game consists of. a statement like "a dirt bag WILL destroy your game" is too vague, because "your game" is a very subjective thing. james. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 6 21:03:44 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA31565 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:03:44 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (31428) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA31426 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:49:24 GMT Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA32510 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:50:15 -0700 Received: from [207.208.136.58] (d62.focal2.interaccess.com [207.208.137.62]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA11579; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:43:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:43:18 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "j. miskiewicz" , From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter) Subject: Re: [freestyle] which is better? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! At 3:31 PM 4/6/98, j. miskiewicz wrote: >> +Twisteds are usually easier to stall, but this is kind of moot. If you >>really want a bag that is easy to stall dirt bags are probably better >>than both, however a dirt bag WILL destroy your game. >>-Andrew > >a dirt bag will destroy your game in relation to what? rod lavers will >destroy your game if you like to hack in workboots. perhaps a juice will >destroy your dirt bag game. it's all relative to what your "normal" game >consists of. a statement like "a dirt bag WILL destroy your game" is too >vague, because "your game" is a very subjective thing. I think Dirtbags should be renamed to "Windbag" because that is the purpose that I believe that they serve. I carry a dirt (windbag) bag around with me everywhere incase I need to shred outdoors in the wind. They are small and heavy, perfect for wind resistance. That is my take on the dirt. See ya! Scott. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 7 00:43:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA00177 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:43:38 GMT Received: from markdenton@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (125) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA00123 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:39:54 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f128.hotmail.com [207.82.251.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA04017 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:40:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 19784 invoked by uid 0); 7 Apr 1998 00:40:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19980407004012.19781.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.47.115.76 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Apr 1998 17:40:12 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.47.115.76] From: "Mark Denton" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Blenders Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 17:40:12 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, Can anyone give me any tips on working out the kinks in my Blenders? I have been hitting them for a while now, I just cannot set from them. Any suggestions? Mark ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 7 01:15:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA00415 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:14:49 GMT Received: from jpenney@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (314) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA00312 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:10:08 GMT Received: from hejira.Hunter.CUNY.EDU (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04567 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:11:00 -0700 Received: from sara (grc-ny15-12.ix.netcom.com [199.183.206.236]) by hejira.Hunter.CUNY.EDU (8.8.5/george96) with SMTP id VAA06625 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980406211543.007c5d60@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu> X-Sender: jpenney@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 21:15:43 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: "The Darlin' Josh Penney" Subject: [freestyle] Working out the kinks - was "Re: Blenders" In-Reply-To: <19980407004012.19781.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Can anyone give me any tips on working out the kinks in my Blenders? >I have been hitting them for a while now, I just cannot set from them. >Any suggestions? Try working on the parts of the move individually- When you're tying a move that is really a couple of different moves smooshed together you really need to skool those individual parts. That goes for any such move, so keep it in mind. If you can't set from blender perhaps it's the osis that needs work. Beyond that, there are lots of things to examine. Ask yourself: Am I moving too fast, too slow? Am I using the "magic hop" for the delay? Can I see the bag before you delay it? Where am I setting the bag? When Am I turning? JP "^" From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 8 02:19:43 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA07767 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 02:18:32 GMT Received: from allman144@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (7061) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA07059 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 00:27:45 GMT Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id BLDLa02255 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:28:10 -0500 (EDT) From: Allman144 Message-ID: <4e5f94de.352ac49b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:28:10 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Torque Me Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone. I am just starting to work on torques and I am having touble. The trouble I am having is mainly with the set. So any suggestions on that would help. As would any suggestions for the move in a while. Thanks a lot. Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 8 05:18:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA08841 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:16:44 GMT Received: from derric@dallasfootbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8251) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA08249 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:13:45 GMT Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA23961; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:14:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fit.netcomi.com(204.58.155.64) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023929; Tue Apr 7 22:14:10 1998 Message-ID: <35299AF9.1126@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 22:18:17 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allman144 CC: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Torque Me References: <4e5f94de.352ac49b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The first way I started hitting torque was by doing a big blur set and then bailing to an osis. Think about getting that first mirage dexterity finished with the bag still in the air. Then, just twist into the osis. Now, though, I'm starting to like playing into torque with an osis. That way you are already spinning which seems to help alot. Either way, I hope this helps. -D Allman144 wrote: > > Hey everyone. I am just starting to work on torques and I am having touble. > The trouble I am having is mainly with the set. So any suggestions on that > would help. As would any suggestions for the move in a while. Thanks a lot. > > Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 8 05:18:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id FAA08853 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:16:46 GMT Received: from kenned57@pilot05.cl.msu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8557) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA08555 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:09:20 GMT Received: from pilot05.cl.msu.edu (pilot05.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25140 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:10:24 -0700 Received: (from kenned57@localhost) by pilot05.cl.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19148; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 00:10:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199804080410.AAA19148@pilot05.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: [freestyle] Torque Me To: Allman144@aol.com (Allman144) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 00:10:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cameron Dean Kennedy" Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <4e5f94de.352ac49b@aol.com> from "Allman144" at Apr 7, 98 08:28:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tony, I can't say for sure what your problem is with torques, but i just hit my first torques tonight, and what i found was that setting the bag about 8 inches lower than i thought i should made all of the difference. keep on yo! cameron > > Hey everyone. I am just starting to work on torques and I am having touble. > The trouble I am having is mainly with the set. So any suggestions on that > would help. As would any suggestions for the move in a while. Thanks a lot. > > Tony Glick > -- Beer companies that brag about their water tend to produce beer that tastes a lot like that water, and very little like hops or malt or anything that is supposed to be in beer. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 8 15:19:58 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA00334 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:18:24 GMT Received: from eric@netcomi.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (10044) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA10042 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:38:12 GMT Received: from stick.netcomi.com (fit.netcomi.com [204.58.155.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA30572 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 04:39:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by stick.netcomi.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA01416 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:39:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: stick.netcomi.com: eric owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 05:39:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Burgess To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] this move have a name? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org i've been trying moves lately with paradox-reverse-mirage sets (clip->same out dex)...paradox atomsmasher, paradox legbeater, etc. tonight i got the idea to keep on spinning counterclockwise (i'm setting from my right-foot clipper) after the set and dex, into a left-leg mirage and catch on right toe. so my best attempt at job's notation is: CLIP -> (IN-SPIN) SAME OUT DEX -> OPP IN DEX -> OP TOE i got close a couple of times. this move feels pretty different...it's a really violent spin...busted my ass pretty good once :) anyway, i was wondering if it has a name? i'm calling it 'tornado' until i hear otherwise. also if any of you crack-babies want to try this into an osis, like an inspinning-reverse-miraging-mobius, i think that would be sweet as hell. eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 9 21:56:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA19663 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:56:14 GMT Received: from kenned57@pilot18.cl.msu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for announce@majordomo.footbag.org (19439) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA19437 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:23:33 GMT Received: from pilot18.cl.msu.edu (pilot18.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.28]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26410 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:23:45 -0700 Received: (from kenned57@localhost) by pilot18.cl.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA42226 for announce@footbag.org; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:23:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199804092123.RAA42226@pilot18.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [freestyle] East Lansing Art Festival To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:23:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cameron Dean Kennedy" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Greatings all, I just found out that the dates for the 35th east lansing art festival will be may 16 -17 in east lansing. This event is a chance for artists to display thier work in front of a large audience. Over 225 artists and craftsmen will have thier work on display. Bands will be playing at three stages, and the streets are blocked off from traffic. Parking is avaliable in the area, as well as foods. The reason i am posting this is that i have been going to this festival for the last three years, and each year it has proved to be a great place to do a freestyle footbag demonstration. This event draws large crowds of people, and they seem to enjoy watching the street performances,(juggling, footbag, crystal sticks. etc) as much as looking at the merchandise on display by the artists. Where else can people kick for hours with a captive audience? I just wanted to make the festival known to anyone who might be interested. hope to see some of you there, cameron kennedy -- kenned57@pilot.msu.edu From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 10 17:26:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA25362 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:26:26 GMT Received: from derric@dallasfootbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (25217) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA25215 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:06:11 GMT Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04423 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:06:27 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA12465 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:06:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fit.netcomi.com(204.58.155.64) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012448; Fri Apr 10 12:05:50 1998 Message-ID: <352D00E0.52D9@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 12:09:52 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] paradox torques... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok. What is the best way to go about hitting paradox torque? I was thinking if I tried toe set torque (toe > op in [dex] > op osis), it would make paradox torque fall into place. This was not the case. When I try this move, it seems to hurt my arms, shoulders, and back more than anything. I'm guessing that's just how it is because of all of the twisting. So, any advice on how high of a set or when to start spinning or anything would be appreciated. Thanks. -D By the way, http://www.dallasfootbag.org/southern.html This is the home page for the greatest tournament the south has ever seen. April 25-26. Don't miss it. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 10 19:00:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA26070 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:59:34 GMT Received: from damocles_schwert@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (25749) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA25747 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:10:03 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f105.hotmail.com [207.82.250.224]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05276 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:10:23 -0700 Received: (qmail 10607 invoked by uid 0); 10 Apr 1998 18:09:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19980410180952.10606.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.175.3.38 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:09:52 PDT X-Originating-IP: [149.175.3.38] From: "Andrew Feuerdrache" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] paradox torques... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:09:52 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "Ok. What is the best way to go about hitting paradox torque? I was thinking if I tried toe set torque (toe > op in [dex] > op osis), it would make paradox torque fall into place. This was not the case. When I try this move, it seems to hurt my arms, shoulders, and back more than anything. I'm guessing that's just how it is because of all of the twisting. So, any advice on how high of a set or when to start spinning or anything would be appreciated. Thanks." I think the biggest problem with paridox tork is that it is hard to make small. You spin faster when your legs are under your body, but there really isn't any way to pull in a paridox tork this makes it hard to spin fast enough. The way I do it is to first sett the bag about half way between my chest and waist, do the dextarity (make sure you keep your lower leg pulled in) and then I hold my setting leg up and planting leg straight until I have done about a quarter turn and you won't hit the bag when I bend my knee again. Then befor I begin to bring my set leg down I hop off of my planting leg and into the osis. Basically both of your legs are off of the ground from when the bag leaves your sight as you spin until you cach it, other wise you can't spin fast enough. I found my biggest stumbling block was keeping my planted leg straight long enough, if you bend it too soon you will hit the bag with your knee or miss the osis, if don't hop off of it soon enough you won't rotate fast enough or will likly miss time the catch. The almighty touch of timing again. As for arm, sholder and back pain, a lot of paridox moves are just very bad on your back. I think the only styleistic thing to do is to make sure that the bag is under your body instead of off to the side when you set it which would make the paridox motion even more violent. Also make sure that you lead off the turn with your shoulders, instead of throwing them with the waight of your body. I accually had to stop doing some moves (paridox double leg over mainly) because they were giving me so much lower back pain. Sorry for such a long answer, hope this helps. -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 10 19:22:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA26205 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:22:48 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (26160) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA26158 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:18:13 GMT Received: from eniac.yak.net (eniac.Yak.NET [140.174.206.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06243 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:18:33 -0700 Received: from [207.79.78.21] (dhcptest35.atext.com [206.66.71.194]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA26155; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:18:11 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980410180952.10606.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:19:29 -0700 To: "Andrew Feuerdrache" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] paradox torques... Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:09 AM -0700 4/10/98, Andrew McCargar wrote: > ... paridox tork ... Next it'll be "pair of duck stork". Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 10 22:27:57 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA27555 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:25:53 GMT Received: from damocles_schwert@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (27467) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA27465 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:14:41 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f144.hotmail.com [207.82.251.23]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08490 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:15:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 3033 invoked by uid 0); 10 Apr 1998 22:14:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19980410221432.3032.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.175.3.41 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:14:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [149.175.3.41] From: "Andrew Feuerdrache" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] paradox torques... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:14:31 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:09 AM -0700 4/10/98, Andrew McCargar wrote: > ... paridox tork ... Next it'll be "pair of duck stork". Steve You will forgive, I hope, that my spelling is not as good as it should be. I am also not always granted with the time necisary to spell check every thing I send (like this note). I just don't know where I'd be without the invaluable resource of Steve's editorialship. Thank you for yet another great service Mr. Golldburqg ;) -Andrew PS. if anyone's feeling creative, ducking stork would make a fine move name. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Apr 11 17:22:16 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA31152 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:21:04 GMT Received: from jcasey001@connect.cybersmith.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (30925) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA30923 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:57:35 GMT Received: from proteus.imagiware.com (proteus.imagiware.com [206.215.211.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16889 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 08:58:04 -0700 Received: from hvd027.hvd.cybersmith.com (hvd027.hvd.cybersmith.com [208.226.109.27]) by proteus.imagiware.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14003 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: <352F9379.687F@connect.cybersmith.com> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:59:53 -0400 From: JOSH CASEY X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-Cybersmith (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Boston Freestyle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello, If there are any freestylers in the Boston area I'd like to get together to do some stylin. I'll be around Boston until the middle of June. Let me know... Josh Casey josh@imagiware.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Apr 12 08:24:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA01746 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:23:49 GMT Received: from sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1673) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA01671 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:09:16 GMT Received: from dept.english.upenn.edu (DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU [130.91.75.246]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA24167 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:09:51 -0700 Received: (from sunilj@localhost) by dept.english.upenn.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA26076 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 04:10:08 -0400 From: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) Message-Id: <199804120810.EAA26076@dept.english.upenn.edu> Subject: [freestyle] Travelling Down Under... To: freestyle@footbag.org (fb) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 04:10:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey All: I am going to be doing some backpacking/hosteling in New Zealand from April 26th through May 14th. I will then be making the rounds in Australia from May 14th through July 8th. I would be very interested in getting together with any local freestylers/footbaggers. Anyone been there already (or from there) have any info on places/sights/events/experiences that I cannot possible miss?? Anyone have any other travelling stories or destinations planned? Sunil Jani From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Apr 12 08:42:16 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA01802 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:42:15 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1771) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA01769 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:41:07 GMT Received: from eniac.yak.net (eniac.Yak.NET [140.174.206.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA25036 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:41:43 -0700 Received: from [206.66.71.194] (brat1.atext.com [207.79.78.21]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA01766; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:41:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199804120810.EAA26076@dept.english.upenn.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:43:03 -0700 To: sunilj@dept.english.upenn.edu (Sunil Jani) From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Travelling Down Under... Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 1:10 AM -0700 4/12/98, Sunil Jani wrote: > I am going to be doing some backpacking/hosteling in New Zealand >from April 26th through May 14th.... >...Anyone been >there already (or from there) have any info on >places/sights/events/experiences that I cannot possible miss?? Well, last time I was in New Zealand (okay, the only time), I ran across these three total geeks. But DAMN could they shred. :-) Go to Auckland. See the amazing Paradon Swirling Kiwi. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 13 15:27:30 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA07400 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:26:26 GMT Received: from footbag13@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (6791) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA06789 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:31:56 GMT Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.41]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA06033 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 06:32:43 -0700 Received: from Footbag13@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id ONLWa02676 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:32:09 -0500 (EDT) From: Footbag13 Message-ID: <823b6913.353213dc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:32:09 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] paradox torques... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 98-04-10 13:29:13 EDT, Derric wrote: << When I try this move, it seems to hurt my arms, shoulders, and back more than anything. I'm guessing that's just how it is because of all of the twisting. >> I can't help with the p-dox torque but i can make a suggestion to prevent back pain/strain. Before you freestyle...or if you like, before you try p- doxes...stretch your back completely. You can do this with 3 basic stretches. 1. Sit in the "hurdler's" stretch...one leg extended straight in front of you, the other tucked under you, just to the outside of your body with the top of your foot as flat as possible against the ground. Grab the heel of the tucked-under foot with the opposite side hand. Place your other hand on the ground behind you. Use pressure from both hands to rotate away from your straight leg. Use enough pressure to stretch but not to hurt. Repeat on the opposite side. 2. Lie flat on your stomch. Put your hands on the ground,palms down on either side of your head. Keep them just farther apart than shoulder width and to start, place them level with your ears (as you adapt to this stretch, place them futher down your body at the same width). Now push up as if you were doing a push up but keep your hips on the ground. Lock your arms straightand relax your whole body (focus on relaxing the lower back and stomach). Finish the stretch by tilting the head backwards to compress the entire back and stretch the stomach. 3. Kneel with the knees and toes together ...the ankles spread slightly. Rest your weight on your ankles. Bend forward slowly to plant the crown of the head directly in front of the knees. Clasp your hands behind you and keep your butt on or almost on your ankles. Chances are you will not feel much of a stretch but it is essential to balance #2 with the opposite motion. I include all three of these in my every-morning stretches and i include them in my pre-freestyle warm up. They seem to have eliminated all back pain caused by freestyle or anything else for that matter. Later :) Jason Phillips From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 13 18:12:07 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA08469 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:11:55 GMT Received: from damocles_schwert@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8417) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA08415 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:04:37 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f117.hotmail.com [207.82.251.45]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA10057 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:05:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 17086 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 1998 18:04:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19980413180456.17085.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.175.3.55 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:04:56 PDT X-Originating-IP: [149.175.3.55] From: "Andrew Feuerdrache" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Deutschland! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:04:56 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freestylers, This is perhaps a question, better asked at a video store, but here goes any way. I will be studying in Munich (Germany) next year and I hope to bring with me the glorious word of our obscure little "american" sport. More specifically I was hoping to bring some video with. German video is on a different system, (if I knew ezactly how I probably wouldn't be writing) so I was wondering if any of you video pirates out there who are selling tapes are able to produce videos that will play in Germany. Or perhaps can anyone tell me where I can get the tapes translated, or even that they will work and I'm just being a putz. Or perhaps I'm just showing my fundamental misunderstanding of video technology. If I can I will even try to bring back some video of german freestyle (if such a thing exists in Muenchen). -Andrew McCargar (who now spell Czechs every thing he sends) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 13 18:29:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA08600 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:29:53 GMT Received: from brat@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8505) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA08503 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:18:46 GMT Received: from eniac.yak.net (eniac.Yak.NET [140.174.206.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10305 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:19:35 -0700 Received: from [207.79.78.21] (dhcp101.atext.com [206.66.71.101]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA08492; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:18:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980413180456.17085.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:20:33 -0800 To: "Andrew Feuerdrache" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Deutschland! Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:04 AM -0800 4/13/98, Andrew Feuerdrache wrote: >I will be studying in Munich (Germany) next year and I >hope to bring with me the glorious word of our obscure little "american" >sport. You should get in touch with the players in Munich before you go. Write Ramon Moerl . Better write him soon, 'cause he's coming to the U.S. for a visit next week. >More specifically I was hoping to bring some video with. German >video is on a different system The format for European video is called PAL. The US version is called NTSC. The Asian format is SECAM. Australia/NZ use PAL. In Europe, many people have dual capable VCRs; i.e., they can play NTSC and/or PAL. They can't record NTSC though without special more expensive equipment, and translation is still done by service bureaus. The WFA carries "Tricks of the Trade" in PAL for European users (we have lots of players in Europe and other countries who are on this mailing list). http://worldfootbag.com/catalog/ just be sure to request PAL in the user comments field. If you take your NTSC video camcorder to Europe, you will be able to play it for people who have dual-system VCR's, but otherwise you'd have to convert to show it locally. Obviously, even if you buy blank tape that says "PAL" on it, it will really record in NTSC and you won't be able to view it in PAL. The reason the blank tapes say PAL or NTSC or SECAM is simply because the format is different, so tapes are longer or shorter based on which system, so the recording time of the blank is what changes between the three. If you take video in Europe on a PAL camcorder, you can convert once you get back here -- it's much cheaper to convert in the US (I think). Just take it to any video service bureau (probably even Kinko's; those guys do everything). Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 13 19:56:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA08990 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:56:36 GMT Received: from zogg13@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (8879) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA08877 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:35:55 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f4.hotmail.com [207.82.250.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11547 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:36:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 1746 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 1998 19:36:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19980413193614.1745.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 32.100.87.158 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:36:13 PDT X-Originating-IP: [32.100.87.158] From: "Steve Miskiewicz" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] small footbags Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:36:13 EDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Anyone know of any footbags that are about the size of a golf ball(besides a dirtbag). I would make one but I can't sew. _-Steve-_ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 14 18:00:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA15851 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:59:23 GMT Received: from joshman007@yahoo.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (15785) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA15783 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:52:37 GMT Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27419 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:53:36 -0700 Message-ID: <19980414175241.19137.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [159.191.218.201] by send1a; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:52:41 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Josh McCall Subject: [freestyle] PARADOX WHIRLS To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. I'm having major problems with paradox whirls. I set it up, then when I try to circle it, I end up doing a little hack back and forth thing with my leg, and kick the bag. Sometimes I can get around it (barely), but it drops before I have a chance to snatch the clipper. I guess my main problem is opening up the circling motion my leg makes. This is really pissing me off! JoshMan 007 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 15 02:27:11 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA19365 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 02:27:09 GMT Received: from moon@generation.net () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (19165) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA19163 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:59:19 GMT Received: from bigbang.Generation.NET (bigbang.Generation.NET [205.205.118.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03014 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:00:21 -0700 Received: from generation.net (portF45.Generation.NET [205.205.119.25]) by bigbang.Generation.NET (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA18902 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35343D7F.C859AD6@generation.net> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:54:23 -0700 From: Rick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: [freestyle] Montreal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org If anyone is coming to Montreal for the tournament I would be happy to answer any questions, since I live here. Patrick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 15 02:27:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA19352 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 02:27:00 GMT Received: from westwind@idirect.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (18750) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA18748 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:56:39 GMT Received: from nexus.idirect.com (nexus.idirect.com [207.136.80.55]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02284 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:57:40 -0700 Received: from eonnet5.idirect.com (eonnet5.idirect.com [207.136.86.5]) by nexus.idirect.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA29039 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eonnet5.idirect.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD68B1.01FB7A00@eonnet5.idirect.com>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:56:48 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD68B1.01FB7A00@eonnet5.idirect.com> From: Rob Howe To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Dragon Fly Kick Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:56:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, I've been having a bit of trouble doing a Dragon Fly Kick. I end up = either kicking the footbag into the knee of my dexterity leg or I can't = control the bag if I hit it. Any hints or suggestions would be = appreciated. Rob From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 15 07:37:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id HAA21416 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:36:55 GMT Received: from eric@netcomi.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (21231) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA21229 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:45:51 GMT Received: from stick.netcomi.com (fit.netcomi.com [204.58.155.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05996 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:46:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by stick.netcomi.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA20730; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:47:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: stick.netcomi.com: eric owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:47:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Burgess To: Josh McCall cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] PARADOX WHIRLS In-Reply-To: <19980414175241.19137.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Josh McCall wrote: > I'm having major problems with paradox whirls. I set it up, then when > I try to circle it, I end up doing a little hack back and forth thing > with my leg, and kick the bag. Sometimes I can get around it > (barely), but it drops before I have a chance to snatch the clipper. > I guess my main problem is opening up the circling motion my leg > makes. This is really pissing me off! i have the exact same problem when setting from my strong clipper (the clipper i set and catch with for a normal whirl). however, when i set pdx whirl from weak clipper, i have much less trouble. i'm pretty sure this is because the whirl ends up on my strong side, and the whirl motion is much more polished. i'm assuming the answer to this is to master regular whirl on the other side too. eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 15 17:55:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01421 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:54:47 GMT Received: from enlightener@footbag.org () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (22872) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA22870 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:24:56 GMT Received: from clavin.interaccess.com (clavin.interaccess.com [207.70.126.132]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA09354 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:26:03 -0700 Received: from [207.208.4.220] (d220.maxtnt.interaccess.com [207.208.4.220]) by clavin.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id IAA17385; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:27:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:27:19 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Rob Howe , "'freestyle@footbag.org'" From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dragon Fly Kick Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Rob and freestylers! At 8:56 PM 4/15/98, Rob Howe wrote: >Hi, I've been having a bit of trouble doing a Dragon Fly Kick. I end up >either kicking the footbag into the knee of my dexterity leg or I can't >control the bag if I hit it. Any hints or suggestions would be >appreciated. First, I recommend the set kick be from the same foot as the trick will be performed. i.e. if you are planning to do a left flying dragonfly, then set it from a left inside kick, and vice versa. (learn both sides asap.) Second, and perhaps most importantly, plan on landing on your kicking leg. i.e. if you are doing a left flying dragonfly, then land on your left leg. Keeping your right leg in the air. Also, do a large sweeping in-out motion with your dex leg. Get BIG AIR! Big air is important in making a flyer a flyer, if you get my jist! Keep shredding, and it is GREAT to see that someone is interested in fliers these days (as opposed to all the mind-boggling moves that involve delays and low leg motions) See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 15 17:55:31 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA01432 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:54:49 GMT Received: from kaplanb@mscd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1263) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01261 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:39:31 GMT Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12450 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:39:33 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24550) with SMTP id <0ERG00601UBOMP@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:38:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:38:12 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] PARADOX WHIRLS In-reply-to: To: Eric Burgess Cc: Josh McCall , freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > > On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Josh McCall wrote: > > I'm having major problems with paradox whirls. I set it up, then when > > I try to circle it, I end up doing a little hack back and forth thing > > with my leg, and kick the bag. Sometimes I can get around it > > (barely), but it drops before I have a chance to snatch the clipper. > > I guess my main problem is opening up the circling motion my leg > > makes. This is really pissing me off! > I've been trying those for about 6 months and I'm still having troubles as well. I'd say I land 1 in 10. The thing I noticed though is when I set it more towards the center and start the dex move I have a little more time to get my foot around the bag, then I can worry about the catch. I've been seeing it done with the set further over toward the catch foot but the speed needed to get my dex foot around usually ends up tweeking my knee. Good luck, amd if you figure out the perfect way let me know. BRAD From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 15 18:10:38 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA01554 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:10:32 GMT Received: from kaplanb@mscd.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (1508) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA01506 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:01:51 GMT Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13021 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:01:52 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #24550) with SMTP id <0ERG00A01VCTZ5@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:00:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:00:29 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Different models of the Rod Lavers? In-reply-to: <01BD5C14.3D8E9E20@usrx2P-1-51.enter.net> To: Ralph Allebach Cc: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Ralph Allebach wrote: > How's it going, > I recently bought a pair of Rod Lavers that I had heard so much about. I was disappointed though. The ones I bought did not look anything like the ones I had seen on the internet. They said Rod Laver on them but they were different in texture and in color. They were made of something like nylon and the bag slid all over them. It was a lot harder to land stalls. Are there different models of the Rod Lavers? > My friend you got the one and only style of Lavers that I know of. Here's where some of your confusion may come in. That picture on the Internet is of some well used and perfectly shredded Rod Lavers. They're cut up, dirty, and grunged. Anyway if you bought them from WFA you should have gotten a little piece of paper that tells you how to cut and lace them so as to make that little bucket on the toe. If not then all you have to do is take a blade and cut the little bit of stitching that holds the part down where the bottom of your laces usually go. That allows the toe to open up more. The lacing is a bit harder to explain in type but I'll try. Start at the 4th hole up from the bottom and put the lace from the inside to the outside. Then go down a hole and put the lace from the outside to the inside. Now go down to the second holeand go from the inside to the outside. (I hope you're still with me). Now pull the laces up to the 6th hole and put it outside to inside and cross over to the other side at the fifth hole and put it through. Now pull up to the seventh hole and put it outside to inside and cross over again to put it through the eight hole. ***I just realized that I where a size 13 and you may have less holes depending on your shoe size in which case you may have to make an adjustment or two*** Either way the idea is to lace the shoe so that the toe is pulled open to allow more surface area for your stalls. As far as them being slippery, you just have to break them in. My Lavers were so white and slick when I first got them that I intentionally drug them through the dirt to stop from blinding myself and to fray the nylon a bit. They are great for kicking once you get used to them so don't just put them aside. I hope this stuff helps and if not then sorry for wasting your time. Later, BRAD From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Apr 15 19:22:09 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA02148 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:22:01 GMT Received: from kenned57@pilot016.cl.msu.edu () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (2012) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02010 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:15:56 GMT Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (pilot016.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.116]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14301 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:15:58 -0700 Received: (from kenned57@localhost) by pilot016.cl.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16660 for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:15:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199804151915.PAA16660@pilot016.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [freestyle] Slippery lavers To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:15:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cameron Dean Kennedy" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org My $0.02 when i got my first pair of lavers, i too thought they were slippery. What you can do if you really want these babies to be sticky is to wax em up with a little surf board wax. I warn that this will decrease the flexibility of the fabric. later, cameron -- Beer companies that brag about their water tend to produce beer that tastes a lot like that water, and very little like hops or malt or anything that is supposed to be in beer. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 16 01:21:08 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id BAA04543 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:21:04 GMT Received: from nageylum@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (4502) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA04500 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:17:13 GMT Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.41]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22067 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:17:16 -0700 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id WATBa09371; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:16:05 +2000 (EDT) From: Nageylum Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:16:05 EDT To: kaplanb@mscd.edu, eric@netcomi.com Cc: joshman007@yahoo.com, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] PARADOX WHIRLS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all, pdx whirls, seems to be the move of the week(or so), I also had some problems and then a magic web master type guy told me the secret that helped me. "Set slightly higher than you might have originally thought, and then WAIT for it to come down. There's a little pause/hop in paradox whirl -- set the bag only slightly to your whirl side, then, just after the set, but before the whirl motion, you pivot into the whirl position, wait a MILLISECOND, then hop as you perform a whirl. Be sure you don't reach way up to hit the whirl.. WAIT for the bag to make its way down. You do paradox whirl on the way down, but to get the right set you have to set it a little higher -- and of course the rule of thumb is: the higher the set, the longer you wait. (Unless of course you're setting high because the move is a HUUUUGE move, which this isn't :-). )" Josh Childs From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Apr 17 15:25:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id PAA17251 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:23:35 GMT Received: from grandincredible@hotmail.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (16989) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA16987 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:33:59 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f43.hotmail.com [207.82.250.54]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA16928 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:34:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 8643 invoked by uid 0); 17 Apr 1998 14:33:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19980417143347.8642.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.148.100.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:33:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.148.100.2] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dragon Fly Kick Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:33:47 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Scott D. wrote: >Get BIG AIR! > >Big air is important in making a flyer a flyer, if you get my jist! I have to agree. Jump as high as you can on fliers. Eventually, you won't have to, but while learning a new physical skill (footbag or not) I've found that accentuating that physical motion helps. In this case, jumping as high as you can will build your leg strength faster AND give you more time to perform the move. You'll be doing multiple dragonflies in no time. Later, Dan Kramer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Apr 18 19:45:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id TAA31753 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:44:34 GMT Received: from westwind@idirect.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (31297) Received: from Market.NET (Market.NET [140.174.206.2]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA31295 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:31:57 GMT Received: from nexus.idirect.com (nexus.idirect.com [207.136.80.55]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07282 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:32:28 -0700 Received: from fatenet2.idirect.com (fatenet2.idirect.com [207.136.87.194]) by nexus.idirect.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA01040 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fatenet2.idirect.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD6BA8.3FCCB520@fatenet2.idirect.com>; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:31:40 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD6BA8.3FCCB520@fatenet2.idirect.com> From: Rob Howe To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Tunes Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:31:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm taking a survey and I was wondering what music(if any) you listen to when you shred. Much obliged. Rob From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Apr 19 02:41:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id CAA19409 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:41:48 GMT Received: from allman144@aol.com () via =-=-=-=-=-= for freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org (16846) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.40]) (fnord) by eniac.yak.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA16844 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 01:54:17 GMT Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id BEJHa12983 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:52:08 +2000 (EDT) From: Allman144 Message-ID: <9cee372b.353958ca@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:52:08 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Re: Freestyle Digest V1 #386 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I listen to Allman Brothers, Joe Satriani, or The Hellecasters. Rock on! Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 20 17:08:28 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA00199 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:08:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.41]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA32104 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:47:47 -0700 Received: from Footbag13@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id OZPCa09366 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:45:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Footbag13 Message-ID: <115e64c5.353b5fa7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:45:57 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] moves of the weird Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok, here's a few more to file under "Jason's bizzare moves". I know their not big add material but they are definately unique...as far as i know. clip>same in (dex, pdx?)>pinch between both calfs Start with a clipper, set and circle with the same foot in an in>out dexterity. Catch it then between your calfs..just below your knees. I started trying to do this move and ending in a lap catch...but i just can't get under it fast enough. It seems though every time i try to catch it in my lap, it ends up between my calfs..consistantly too! So i'm happy with that as it is (for now). Does a catch between the calfs deserve it's own name? It's not a lap stall nor is it a cloud delay. Cloud + Lap = Clap? Paradox Clap Delay? And along the same lines... I believe stalling on one foot while at the same time stomping down on the bag with the other foot (not too hard!) is called a Stallberger...correct? Assuming that's right, read on... clip>same in (dex, pdx?)>same stallberger (you could do an op stallberger..but i just thought of that and i have yet to try it) Set from a clipper, circle the bag in front of you with an in>out dexterity. Hop off the planted foot and catch the bag between the toe of the dexterity foot and the bottom of the other foot. I know they're funny moves...but i guess i get off on that kinda thing :) Jason Phillips From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Apr 20 21:35:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA15545 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:35:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from ucs.orst.edu (mccombsa@UCS.ORST.EDU [128.193.4.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA07249 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:26:22 -0700 Received: from localhost by ucs.orst.edu (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/13Sep96-1023AM) id AA27006; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:26:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Avery Mc Combs Reply-To: Avery Mc Combs To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Tunes In-Reply-To: <01BD6BA8.3FCCB520@fatenet2.idirect.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Rob Howe wrote: > I'm taking a survey and I was wondering what music(if any) you listen to when you shred. Much obliged. > Rob > I listen to funk and classic rock. -Avery From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Apr 21 09:23:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id JAA24015 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:23:14 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (pilot007.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.107]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13768 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:00:47 -0700 Received: (from carrol39@localhost) by pilot007.cl.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17012; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:00:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199804210500.BAA17012@pilot007.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [freestyle] Grasshopper Jam at the Capitol To: freestyle@footbag.org, wurschmi@pilot007.cl.msu.edu (Braden Alan Wurschmidt), harcekcr@pilot007.cl.msu.edu (Craig Joseph Harcek), provenz6@pilot007.cl.msu.edu (Michael Joseph Provenzano), kenned57@pilot007.cl.msu.edu (Cameron Dean Kennedy), carrol39@pilot007.cl.msu.edu (Thomas Michael Carroll) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Thomas Michael Carroll" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Everyone, I'm trying to get a jam together on the steps of Michigan's Capitol building in Lansing. I'm going to be taping the session with my camcorder (which isn't very good). I'd like to get started around 7:00 pm, after the capitol closes, and kick until when ever. I've only been kicking for a month, but I've learned legover and around the world. I currently skooling my clipper if anyone has suggestions (especially for weak side), and I'm hitting mirage at times. If you think you can make it, reply, or send me an e-mail at: carrol39@pilot.msu.edu I can give directions and whatever if need be. -Thomas Carroll From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 23 00:50:07 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA08110 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:50:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (pilot007.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.107]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13768 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:00:47 -0700 Received: (from carrol39@localhost) by pilot007.cl.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17012; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:00:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199804210500.BAA17012@pilot007.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [freestyle] Grasshopper Jam at the Capitol To: freestyle@footbag.org, wurschmi@pilot007.cl.msu.edu (Braden Alan Wurschmidt), harcekcr@pilot007.cl.msu.edu (Craig Joseph Harcek), provenz6@pilot007.cl.msu.edu (Michael Joseph Provenzano), kenned57@pilot007.cl.msu.edu (Cameron Dean Kennedy), carrol39@pilot007.cl.msu.edu (Thomas Michael Carroll) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Thomas Michael Carroll" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Everyone, I'm trying to get a jam together on the steps of Michigan's Capitol building in Lansing. I'm going to be taping the session with my camcorder (which isn't very good). I'd like to get started around 7:00 pm, after the capitol closes, and kick until when ever. I've only been kicking for a month, but I've learned legover and around the world. I currently skooling my clipper if anyone has suggestions (especially for weak side), and I'm hitting mirage at times. If you think you can make it, reply, or send me an e-mail at: carrol39@pilot.msu.edu I can give directions and whatever if need be. -Thomas Carroll From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 23 00:49:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA08096 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:49:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.41]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA32104 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:47:47 -0700 Received: from Footbag13@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id OZPCa09366 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:45:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Footbag13 Message-ID: <115e64c5.353b5fa7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:45:57 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] moves of the weird Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok, here's a few more to file under "Jason's bizzare moves". I know their not big add material but they are definately unique...as far as i know. clip>same in (dex, pdx?)>pinch between both calfs Start with a clipper, set and circle with the same foot in an in>out dexterity. Catch it then between your calfs..just below your knees. I started trying to do this move and ending in a lap catch...but i just can't get under it fast enough. It seems though every time i try to catch it in my lap, it ends up between my calfs..consistantly too! So i'm happy with that as it is (for now). Does a catch between the calfs deserve it's own name? It's not a lap stall nor is it a cloud delay. Cloud + Lap = Clap? Paradox Clap Delay? And along the same lines... I believe stalling on one foot while at the same time stomping down on the bag with the other foot (not too hard!) is called a Stallberger...correct? Assuming that's right, read on... clip>same in (dex, pdx?)>same stallberger (you could do an op stallberger..but i just thought of that and i have yet to try it) Set from a clipper, circle the bag in front of you with an in>out dexterity. Hop off the planted foot and catch the bag between the toe of the dexterity foot and the bottom of the other foot. I know they're funny moves...but i guess i get off on that kinda thing :) Jason Phillips From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Apr 23 00:50:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA08104 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:50:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from ucs.orst.edu (mccombsa@UCS.ORST.EDU [128.193.4.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA07249 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:26:22 -0700 Received: from localhost by ucs.orst.edu (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/13Sep96-1023AM) id AA27006; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:26:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Avery Mc Combs Reply-To: Avery Mc Combs To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Tunes In-Reply-To: <01BD6BA8.3FCCB520@fatenet2.idirect.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Rob