From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 5 15:20:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA12873 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:20:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA04122 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 04:38:04 -0700 Received: from StinKyKiwi@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id ORLCa05150 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:37:29 -0400 (EDT) From: StinKyKiwi Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:37:29 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] sand bags Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys~! First of all I would like to congratulate Vince on a wonderfully run East Coast Championships. It was my second footbag get together, but it ran quite well. Good going! Also, While I was kicking with I guy I met, he was using a dirt bag that I really liked. I already have a dirt bag, but I was wondering how the Sand Bag compares to it. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, and keep up the shredding! Matt Avery From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 5 18:57:11 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA01237 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:57:11 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f eceived: from hotmail.com (f134.hotmail.com [207.82.251.13]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09203 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:02:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 23810 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 1998 17:01:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19980505170131.23809.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 149.175.3.58 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 May 1998 10:01:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [149.175.3.58] From: "Andrew Feuerdrache" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] My hate of dirt bags and waisting time on the internet. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:01:31 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Tue, 5 May 1998 07:37:29 Matt Avery wrote: "I already have a dirt bag, but I was wondering how the Sand Bag compares to it. Any thoughts would be appreciated." I wish they both would disappear. When I play with either one I feel like I'm kicking a wobbling pancake stuffed with fishing weights. They're great to stall, but then so is a beanbag chair. On a different note thanks to Blake Robinson and Steve Goldberg for sending me to the IRC footbag chat room, there is hardly ever anyone there but when there is it's great. If we had more people it could become a great teaching tool for new players, but then it is a chat room so hoping for anything too productive may be stretching it. Still everyone should czech it out. -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 5 18:58:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA01274 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:58:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09978 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:40:47 -0700 Message-ID: <19980505173859.18582.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [159.191.218.166] by send1a; Tue, 05 May 1998 10:38:59 PDT Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:38:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Josh McCall Subject: [freestyle] T.V. To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Does anybody know of any freestyle tournaments that will be broadcasted on T.V.? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 5 20:53:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA12716 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 20:53:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hejira.Hunter.CUNY.EDU (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14570 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:50:23 -0700 Received: from sara (nyc-ny78-44.ix.netcom.com [209.109.229.108]) by hejira.Hunter.CUNY.EDU (8.8.5/george96) with SMTP id QAA29438; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980505165506.007d8310@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu> X-Sender: jpenney@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:55:06 -0400 To: Josh McCall From: Magically Delicious Josh Penney Subject: Re: [freestyle] T.V. Cc: freestyle@footbag.org In-Reply-To: <19980505173859.18582.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:38 AM 5/5/98 -0700, you wrote: >Does anybody know of any freestyle tournaments that will be >broadcasted on T.V.? If this were actually going to happen then I'd be making a living at footbag, and so would everyone who puts even more energy into it than I. The list of names reads like a footbag phone book. Just spend the fifteen bucks, buy some video and put it on your public access channels yourself. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed May 6 20:13:22 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA30199 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:13:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from ucs.orst.edu (mccombsa@UCS.ORST.EDU [128.193.4.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA02785 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:10:39 -0700 Received: from localhost by ucs.orst.edu (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/13Sep96-1023AM) id AA22905; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:10:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:10:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Avery Mc Combs To: StinKyKiwi Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sand bags In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 5 May 1998, StinKyKiwi wrote: > Hey guys~! > > I already have a dirt bag, but I was wondering how the Sand Bag > compares to it. Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Matt Avery > I have a 32 panel sandbag that kicks really well and is especially nice for stalling. Sandbags with fewer panels don't hold their shape as well, and the weight can accumulate in one area of the bag, making them tricky to kick. I really like the 32 panel version though and would definitely recommend it. -Avery From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed May 6 23:06:58 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA13988 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:06:58 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail.cgocable.net (mail.cgocable.net [24.226.1.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04556 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:55:39 -0700 Received: from cgocable.net (cgowave-35-161.cgocable.net [24.226.35.161]) by mail.cgocable.net (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17273 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3550DC0B.F9AFAC77@cgocable.net> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 17:54:20 -0400 From: Zac Howarth-Schueler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freestyle List Subject: [freestyle] dextrosis? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok. I have been trying a little move that basically an osis, except, I do a little out-in dexterity with the same leg as my osis catching foot. so it's basically SET > OUT DEX > SAME (osis). Is there a name for this? Cause if there isn't I think it should be called a dextrosis. Anyways, the concept is pretty simple, but I find I have to do a really awkward body twist to do it (as best I can). From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed May 6 23:30:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA16024 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:30:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from send1d.yahoomail.com (send1d.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.48]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04996 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:25:06 -0700 Message-ID: <19980506222025.19663.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [192.73.64.181] by send1d; Wed, 06 May 1998 15:20:25 PDT Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:20:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Dhanraj Subject: Re: [freestyle] sand bags To: Avery Mc Combs , StinKyKiwi Cc: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > I have a 32 panel sandbag that kicks really well and is especially nice > for stalling. Where can I get a 32 panel sand bag? Are they only sold at tournaments, or are there any mail catalogs that sell them? Chris _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed May 6 23:53:07 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA19071 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:53:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (www.callplus.co.nz [202.27.101.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05989 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:38:57 -0700 Received: by www.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:37:37 +1200 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C129A40@www.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] dextrosis? Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:37:34 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Depending on which leg does the dexterity... sounds like a Dyno to me -----Original Message----- From: Zac Howarth-Schueler [SMTP:zacho@cgocable.net] Sent: Thursday, 7 May 1998 09:54 To: Freestyle List Subject: [freestyle] dextrosis? Ok. I have been trying a little move that basically an osis, except, I do a little out-in dexterity with the same leg as my osis catching foot. so it's basically SET > OUT DEX > SAME (osis). Is there a name for this? Cause if there isn't I think it should be called a dextrosis. Anyways, the concept is pretty simple, but I find I have to do a really awkward body twist to do it (as best I can). From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu May 7 00:52:50 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA25002 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:52:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07230 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:41:53 -0700 Received: from StinKyKiwi@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id OSJa021205 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:41:18 +2000 (EDT) From: StinKyKiwi Message-ID: <4447d138.35510330@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:41:18 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] dextrosis? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 98-05-06 19:08:00 EDT, you write: << Ok. I have been trying a little move that basically an osis, except, I do a little out-in dexterity with the same leg as my osis catching foot. so it's basically SET > OUT DEX > SAME (osis). Is there a name for this? Cause if there isn't I think it should be called a dextrosis. Anyways, the concept is pretty simple, but I find I have to do a really awkward body twist to do it (as best I can). >> Ok, I have trouble immagining the trick. Which foot does the dex? is it.. SET>SAME OUT [DEX]>BACK SPIN>SAME CLIP? the back spin part is what makes the osis Matt From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu May 7 00:54:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA25027 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:54:00 GMT Received: from eagle.csrv.uidaho.edu (eagle.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.119.141]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07391 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:51:18 -0700 Received: from raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (hill9361@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.192.43]) by eagle.csrv.uidaho.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_12836)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA25903; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA16952; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:51:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.csrv.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:51:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand X-Sender: hill9361@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu To: Adrian Dick cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] dextrosis? In-Reply-To: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C129A40@www.callplus.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >> so it's basically SET > OUT DEX > SAME (osis). > Depending on which leg does the dexterity... sounds like a Dyno to me I thought a dino was a like a blender except with a reverse-swirling motion. _______________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu May 7 04:42:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA14995 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:42:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (www.callplus.co.nz [202.27.101.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07544 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:57:31 -0700 Received: by www.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:56:09 +1200 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C129A4B@www.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: Matt Hillebrand Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] dextrosis? Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:56:09 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It is. Heres his move description: SET > OUT DEX > SAME (osis). Heres Dyno: Clip > OP OUT DEX > SAME Osis Or in the full terminology: CLIP > OP OUT [DEX] > (BACK) SPIN [BOD] > SAME CLIP [XBD] [DEL]. (Ever had that feeling that your just making things more complicated?) -----Original Message----- From: Matt Hillebrand [SMTP:hill9361@uidaho.edu] Sent: Thursday, 7 May 1998 12:51 To: Adrian Dick Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] dextrosis? >> so it's basically SET > OUT DEX > SAME (osis). > Depending on which leg does the dexterity... sounds like a Dyno to me I thought a dino was a like a blender except with a reverse-swirling motion. _______________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu May 7 04:59:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA16014 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:59:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hejira.Hunter.CUNY.EDU (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08826 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:37:42 -0700 Received: from sara (nyc-ny70-40.ix.netcom.com [209.109.226.168]) by hejira.Hunter.CUNY.EDU (8.8.5/george96) with SMTP id WAA09835 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980506224253.007e06e0@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu> X-Sender: jpenney@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:42:53 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Magically Delicious Josh Penney Subject: [freestyle] Proper notation (was: dextrosis) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org There's too much room for misinterpretation about your move, because no one knows if you're setting from your toe or clipper, so you need to clarify this- Are you setting a butterfly with either toe and basically turning into the osis? That's refraction. Or are you setting from a clipper and turning into the other clipper? That's dyno (or reverse blender in certain dust-swamps of the southern shadow of Mars). Recall that your notation requires a setting point and reference to which leg does what: toe|op out|same clip or toe|same out|same clip :refraction clip|op out| same clip :dyno Don't make Steve send everyone the instructions *again*. No offense, Steve. JP ps. Sorry About the extra copy MH. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu May 7 04:59:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA16015 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:59:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10292 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:35:05 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA02166; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:34:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fit.netcomi.com(204.58.155.64) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002144; Wed May 6 23:34:39 1998 Message-ID: <354FE963.595B@dallasfootbag.org> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 23:38:59 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: derric@dallasfootbag.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Avery Mc Combs CC: StinKyKiwi , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] sand bags References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Avery Mc Combs wrote: > > On Tue, 5 May 1998, StinKyKiwi wrote: > > > Hey guys~! > > > > I already have a dirt bag, but I was wondering how the Sand Bag > > compares to it. Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > > > Matt Avery > > > I have a 32 panel sandbag that kicks really well and is especially nice > for stalling. Sandbags with fewer panels don't hold their shape as well, > and the weight can accumulate in one area of the bag, making them tricky > to kick. I really like the 32 panel version though and would definitely > recommend it. > I also have a 32-panel "dirty" Juice from Flying Clipper. The one thing that I don't like about it is that the sand leaks out. After a good four hour shred, I have to refill the bag. Other than that, I love it. It is great for working on new moves. So, if you do get a 32 panel dirtbag, make sure it has about 9 stitches per seam. Mine only has 7, and a normal Juice only has 5. I'm sure Flying Clipper can hook you up (1-800-FOOT-FUN). They are kinda expensive though. Later. -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu May 7 15:44:50 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA13954 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:44:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from pilot06.cl.msu.edu (pilot06.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.16]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11696 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:48:12 -0700 Received: (from kenned57@localhost) by pilot06.cl.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19519 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:48:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199805070648.CAA19519@pilot06.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [freestyle] costs To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 02:48:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cameron Dean Kennedy" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Greetings freestylers, I apologize for the lack of technical material in this post, I won't be discussing anything great like what makes a move paradox, or whats wrong with the add system. I probably could have sent this to the footbag@.. list, but i figured it might fit here better because of the culture of freestyle footbag. I imagine some of you have seen the bad publicity MSU has been getting lately with the increasing frequency of riots and all. I must say that to have a riot over something as trivial as alcohol for underage drinking is ridiculous. I would much rather see people expressing anger at the lack of education being presented, or the lack of oportunity students recieve to gain valuable hands on experience in thier field. Tonight i was lucky enough to take part in our great justice system first hand. I am a wee bit frustrated because while kicking in a well lit secluded section of the student ghetto. I recieved a $115 ticket for being too loud. We had a radio, and it was much lower in volume than radios of the cars going by. We were having a good time, and the only sacks we had were of the 32 panel variety (Big Toe footbags for the techies). I started playing footbag four years ago, my first day on this campus. I did it mostly for social activities then. For two years i kicked purely for the fun of meating the kindest people in the world. I have never met a freestyler i didn't like to kick with. Then i started to get better. It became more than just a social sport, and looking back I realized i was kicking all of the time. Whenever i felt depressed i would kick, it became a kind of unconcious therapy. Much like liquor raises the spirits of some, footbag did the same for me. Whenever i would kick i felt lifted, footbag raised my spirits. one of the greatest lifts in the world is the ooh's and ahh's of people who have never been exposed to the sport, and watching them realizing that this is something they have been longing to see. It's like they knew there was something more than the toe stall, but just couldn't figure out what. I know exactly what is going through their minds. Much the same thoughts i had when i attended my first xmas jam. Terribly humbled and embarassed, uterly amazed and hooked forever. My senior year was much like any all of the others, until a few months ago. I caught my bud's cousin with this horibbly large knit bag while playing some d&d. My friend kyle talked me up a bit so i did a short demo. He seemed mildly impressed and that was about all that became of it. Then when spring started to get closer he said somthing like when the weather gets nice we should kick some time. Having heard this a few dozen times from people who have no desire to kick,i was like sure ok, i'll give you a call. I did, and we have been kicking more than frequently since. I now know of another great emotion that footbag con provide in addition to it's therapeutic properties. I just watched over a player develope over the past two months, and the whole thing has been mind blowing. When i first saw Tom kick, he could bounce it a half dozen times before sending it on a short hurl through space. He was skoolin all the time though, and was getting better. (fast) He has made me push my game up another half level or so just to keep ahead of him. And even though the thrill of increasing my own game is a great feeling, the process of watching your friend take over your old pair of lavers and go from a 3 kick wonder, to being able to play a tiltless game in two months is much better. I am pften more amzed by his runs than my own. I didn't think one could put a price on the joys of footbag, but now i know. It's cost $115, and has been worth every penny. cameron kennedy formerly known as "that one guy" now part of "hey that's those guys with them shoes" -- Beer companies that brag about their water tend to produce beer that tastes a lot like that water, and very little like hops or malt or anything that is supposed to be in beer. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu May 7 20:42:10 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA10875 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:42:10 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22957 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:21:57 -0700 Received: from JSBX@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id OINDa25732 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:21:08 -0400 (EDT) From: JSBX Message-ID: <9c16887d.355217b5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:21:08 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] dextrosis Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all. The way the guy zacho initially "explained" his move, was kinda foggy. Like Josh asked, where is this being set from? When i first read the post, i though he was talking about corkscrew. Could he please clarify where this move is being set from, and the direction of his spin? KeN From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 8 00:41:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA01654 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 00:41:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id BTHRa18945 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:18:57 +2000 (EDT) From: Allman144 Message-ID: <28e0c382.35524f72@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:18:57 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Mental Aspect Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 61 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Whats up everyone? I am going to introduce a subject to this mailing list that I have never seen on here before. The subject is the mental aspect of the game of footbag. Here it goes. I played baseball for ten years and I was always told that it is 90% mental and 10% physical. My coaches were right. Now, does this apply to footbag? I think it does in a way. When I am kicking and my mind is anywhere BUT on the footbag, I screw up. I have NEVER heard anyone talk about this. Why? Are we all overlooking it? It is extremely important. If you go out to kick and you are jerkin around, your performance will be hindered by that. Does everyone agree? If not, why? Sincerely, Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 8 01:00:18 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA02725 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 01:00:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail.cgocable.net (mail.cgocable.net [24.226.1.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27123 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:37:05 -0700 Received: from cgocable.net (cgowave-35-161.cgocable.net [24.226.35.161]) by mail.cgocable.net (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA21967 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3552536B.BA4656D9@cgocable.net> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 20:35:55 -0400 From: Zac Howarth X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freestyle List Subject: [freestyle] stupid notation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org OK. Jesus christ. I know my notation sucks, and I probly won't get it any better this time, so I'll TRY to describe it. I set from a left clipper (as in, left foot is catching foot). The I go over the bag outside in with my left foot, back spin to the right, and catch it with my left foot again, completing the osis. So I won't even bother with notation. I figure that is pretty strait forward. and if it's not, well, I don't care. Anyways, yeah. my notation sucks. sorry. that is all -Zacho (the idiot, apparently) From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 8 03:16:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA16780 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:16:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f68.hotmail.com [207.82.250.154]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA27557 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:11:47 -0700 Received: (qmail 25789 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 1998 01:11:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19980508011111.25787.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 153.35.8.228 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 May 1998 18:11:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [153.35.8.228] From: "Daniel Guarda" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Image Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 18:11:11 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everybody, First off, the league seems to be getting a little shaky since no one has yet respnded to me about anything... if you are out there, tell me what problems you may be having, or at least tell me whether or not you are willing to try to make a club. A new newsletter shall be sent to everybody, and I wanted to ask Everybody whether or not I would be able to get a minimized picture of any generic footbag on a buisness card. Does anyone have, or know where I can get a gif that will transfer onto Word or WordPerfect? Any suggestions on what I should make the league buisness card look like? Thanks a lot -------Dan--------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 8 03:18:04 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA16811 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:18:04 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.42]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28117 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:47:58 -0700 Received: from JSBX@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id OLFGa18945 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 21:47:17 +2000 (EDT) From: JSBX Message-ID: <4a6f367b.35526426@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:47:17 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] back spin? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey kickers. set from a left clipper (as in, left foot is catching foot). The I go over the bag outside in with my left foot, back spin to the right, and catch it with my left foot again, completing the osis. So I won't even bother with notation. I figure that is pretty strait forward. and if it's not, well, I don't care. Is this kid doing a reverse miraging set? I don't think he means back spin, i think he is doing corkscrews. KeN From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 8 03:30:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA17802 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:30:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (www.callplus.co.nz [202.27.101.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28420 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 19:06:26 -0700 Received: by www.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 8 May 1998 14:04:58 +1200 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C129A81@www.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] stupid notation Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:04:56 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I still don't get it. -----Original Message----- From: Zac Howarth [SMTP:zacho@cgocable.net] Sent: Friday, 8 May 1998 12:36 To: Freestyle List Subject: [freestyle] stupid notation OK. Jesus christ. I know my notation sucks, and I probly won't get it any better this time, so I'll TRY to describe it. I set from a left clipper (as in, left foot is catching foot). The I go over the bag outside in with my left foot, back spin to the right, and catch it with my left foot again, completing the osis. So I won't even bother with notation. I figure that is pretty strait forward. and if it's not, well, I don't care. Anyways, yeah. my notation sucks. sorry. that is all -Zacho (the idiot, apparently) From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 8 03:30:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA17814 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:30:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f136.hotmail.com [207.82.251.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA28392 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 19:05:08 -0700 Received: (qmail 24764 invoked by uid 0); 8 May 1998 02:04:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19980508020437.24763.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.115.1.97 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 May 1998 19:04:37 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.115.1.97] From: "Steve Miskiewicz" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Mental Aspect Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 22:04:37 EDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well, for an complicated combos I have to focus, but if i'm talking to a friend and just kicking(no major tricks)i have no problem with it. I think it is very muscle based. I think in the tricks of the trade(can't be quite remember) Kenny said that you muscles "memorize" the move, and I agree with this. Insides, outsides, toes, I always kick in the same way, and it just "feels" right. Oh, well I can't really explain it. Steve MiskiewicZ > >Whats up everyone? I am going to introduce a subject to this mailing list that >I have never seen on here before. The subject is the mental aspect of the game >of footbag. Here it goes. I played baseball for ten years and I was always >told that it is 90% mental and 10% physical. My coaches were right. Now, does >this apply to footbag? I think it does in a way. When I am kicking and my mind >is anywhere BUT on the footbag, I screw up. I have NEVER heard anyone talk >about this. Why? Are we all overlooking it? It is extremely important. If you >go out to kick and you are jerkin around, your performance will be hindered by >that. Does everyone agree? If not, why? > >Sincerely, >Tony Glick > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 8 03:30:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA17801 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:30:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Message-ID: <19980508005452.22197.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Received: from [192.73.64.166] by send1d; Thu, 07 May 1998 17:54:52 PDT Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:54:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Dhanraj Subject: Re: [freestyle] Mental Aspect To: Allman144 , freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org it is 90% mental and 10% physical. My coaches were right. Now, does > this apply to footbag? I think it does in a way. When I am kicking and my mind > is anywhere BUT on the footbag, I agree with you. Personally, the true love of footbag is all excompassing.I think that one must give it their "all" to absorb and be absorbed by this wonderful sport. I think skooling one's moves is a very important aspect of the game, but even more important is the dedication, commitment, appreciation, and community that footbag fosters in oneself and those around you. Chris _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 8 03:30:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA17827 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:30:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from pilot05.cl.msu.edu (pilot05.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28549 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 19:22:15 -0700 Received: (from carrol39@localhost) by pilot05.cl.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA56426 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 7 May 1998 22:22:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199805080222.WAA56426@pilot05.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [freestyle] mental aspect To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:22:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Thomas Michael Carroll" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am going to introduce a subject to this mailing list that I have never seen on here before. The subject is the mental aspect of the game of footbag. I agree wholeheartedly that the mental aspect of footbag is an overlooked portion of skooling. I find that I must first be able to visualize myself doing the move, and also work out in my head how to do it in such a way that I will convince myself that I am capable of the move before I can even pull it off. I was kicking with cam when he got the ticket for the noise violation, and after that our hearts weren't in the game anymore. I noticed that once our minds were taken off of footbag, both of our playing levels degressed to almost nil (compared to normal). I've also found that I sometimes have to "Psych" myself up before I shred so that my legs are convinced that they can go as fast as I want them to. I know for a fact that an around the world is a brainless move for me, but if I'm not all there in my head I miss it 75% of the time. I'd also like to see an ongoing discussion, perhaps including something to the effect of forms of skooling for the mental state as well as the physical. All that I can really contribute is that stretching allows me time to focus on footbag, and get myself prepared to shred. . . . -Thomas "Big Toe" Carroll PS For those who kick and have ICQ, my UIN is: 3545471 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 8 16:09:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA26219 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 16:09:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.42]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA00408 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:53:32 -0700 Received: from StinKyKiwi@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id OMEYa19024 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 06:52:43 -0400 (EDT) From: StinKyKiwi Message-ID: <1cb300a3.3552e3fd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 06:52:43 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] back spin? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org what exactly is a corkscrew? I thought a BACK SPIN was saying the spining motion was going away from the bag. Matt From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 8 16:32:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA29154 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 16:32:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (pilot011.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.111]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA01265 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 06:26:51 -0700 Received: (from carrol39@localhost) by pilot011.cl.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA43106 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:26:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199805081326.JAA43106@pilot011.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [freestyle] notation. To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:26:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Thomas Michael Carroll" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Guys. One suggestion. USE THE FOOTBAG CHAT ROOM! This ongoing debate over the so-called dextrosis is getting insane. I understand exactly what he's talking about, and I can visualize the move. The only problem, is that I don't know any of the "Big" moves, seeing as how I can't do a clipper stall yet, so I haven't bothered to learn any of the names yet. I see the problem in the notation, but when he explained it in text, it made sense. Anyways, that's why we have the mIRC chatroom (I think) -Thomas "Big Toe" Carroll From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 8 16:32:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA29156 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 16:32:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.70.126.131]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00853 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 05:43:21 -0700 Received: from [207.208.102.172] (d172.avn2.interaccess.com [207.208.102.172]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id HAA19853; Fri, 8 May 1998 07:43:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 07:43:02 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Daniel Guarda" , freestyle@footbag.org From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter) Subject: Re: [freestyle] Image Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Dan! I like the idea, but.... First you need to get permission to use IFAB rules in your system. (or approval of some kind). Second, you need to dump the "death hack" event. It is very negative and a lose-lose situation. Sorry, but I am adamant about that. Also, you seem scattered as to the focus. Is it to benefit Botkin's central america push, or is it to focus on the kids here? I will try to further analyze it, but have little time. Thanks for the packet in the snail. See ya! Scott. >Hi everybody, > >First off, the league seems to be getting a little shaky since no one >has yet respnded to me about anything... if you are out there, tell me >what problems you may be having, or at least tell me whether or not you >are willing to try to make a club. >A new newsletter shall be sent to everybody, >and I wanted to ask Everybody whether or not I would be able to get a >minimized picture of any generic footbag on a buisness card. Does >anyone have, or know where I can get a gif that will transfer onto Word >or WordPerfect? >Any suggestions on what I should make the league buisness card look >like? >Thanks a lot >-------Dan--------- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 8 16:32:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA29157 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 8 May 1998 16:32:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.70.126.131]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00841 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 05:43:17 -0700 Received: from [207.208.102.172] (d172.avn2.interaccess.com [207.208.102.172]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id HAA19844; Fri, 8 May 1998 07:43:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 07:43:00 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Zac Howarth , Freestyle List From: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter) Subject: Re: [freestyle] stupid notation Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Zac! At 8:35 PM 5/7/98, Zac Howarth wrote: >OK. Jesus christ. I know my notation sucks, and I probly won't get it >any better this time, so I'll TRY to describe it. > >I set from a left clipper (as in, left foot is catching foot). The I go >over the bag outside in with my left foot, back spin to the right, and >catch it with my left foot again, completing the osis. So I won't even >bother with notation. I figure that is pretty strait forward. and if >it's not, well, I don't care. > >Anyways, yeah. my notation sucks. sorry. that is all I say, as I have said before, that "notation" in general sucks. You are not an idiot. If you are explaining anything in notation, you should also explain it in long hand, jeez we could have saved 10 or 12 emails of utter confusion. Or just scrap the notation unless you are absolutely certain about it. It is just confusing and I just skip over it rather than break out my secret decoder ring. Sounds like "Motion" to me. Fun move, actually a refraction at the end and not osis (at least the way I do it). Try "loco" motion. Set the first dex under your right leg "pogo" style. Or even better, skool your barflies, down doubles, paradon's etc... and get your "basics" down to help you on this move. Good luck. See ya! Scott Davidson enlightener@footbag.org From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon May 11 07:21:14 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA31776 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:21:14 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from pilot08.cl.msu.edu (pilot08.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25440 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:07:48 -0700 Received: (from carrol39@localhost) by pilot08.cl.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA103063 for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 11 May 1998 00:07:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199805110407.AAA103063@pilot08.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [freestyle] Request for ICQ contacts. (again) To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:07:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Thomas Michael Carroll" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Guys, Recently, I sne t out a request for anyone who had ICQ to contact me, and I gave out my ICQ # as part of my e-mail to the list. While, during transmit from school back home, I ran into a little problem, and ended up deleting all of the requests for authorization. Sorry about that. If you guys would be so kind as to request again, I would be grateful. Sorry for the mixup! UIN: 3545471 Peace, -Thomas "Big Toe" Carroll From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon May 11 07:53:24 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA02211 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:53:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from kaos.atext.com (kaos.atext.com [204.62.245.13]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26437; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:29:31 -0700 Received: from [207.79.78.21] (brat1 [207.79.78.21]) by kaos.atext.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA17514; Mon, 11 May 1998 00:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:31:09 -0700 To: enlightener@footbag.org (Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter) From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] stupid notation Cc: Zac Howarth , Freestyle List Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 5:43 AM -0700 5/8/98, Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter wrote: >I say, as I have said before, that "notation" in general sucks. >You are not an idiot. >If you are explaining anything in notation, you should also explain it in >long hand, jeez we could have saved 10 or 12 emails of utter confusion. Or >just scrap the notation unless you are absolutely certain about it. It is >just confusing and I just skip over it rather than break out my secret >decoder ring. Awwwww, c'mon Scott. This is getting so old. Just read my damned tutorial. Please. It will literally take 5 minutes. Okay, 10 if you don't read it right the first time. ---- cut here: read now: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Steve's 5-minute tutorial on Job's notation for e-mail freestyle talk: -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is "Blur" in Ben Job's notation, as a point of reference for the rest of the tutorial: clip > op in dex > op in dex > op toe (1) Ben Job realized (and it wasn't so obvious before, believe it or not) that moves basically start with one of two sets: either a toe or a clipper, so each move in his notation is "clip >" or "toe >" meaning "clipper set into" or "toe set into"; and moves basically end with one of two contacts (toe or clipper). So in the case of Blur, the move usually starts with a set out of a clipper delay and ends with a toe.. Hence: "clip > ... > ... toe". (2) The ">" can be read as "into" or "followed by", but is a special symbol because if you say "into" or "followed by" people aren't sure if you mean there's a contact in between or not. The ">" expressly means "without contacting the bag between the things on either side of the > symbol". So when we use ">" we are never talking about "strings" of moves; only about "components" that go into the moves. Hence I tend to refer to each thing after a ">" but before the next ">" as a "component". (3) Ben further noticed that in a huge percentage of the moves (and all of the basic ones), you can easily describe a move in terms of the dexterities involved -- i.e., whether a leg goes "in-out" (mirage-style) around/over the bag, or "out-in" (butterfly-style, reverse-mirage style). To avoid verbosity, these are shortened to just "in" for "in-out" and "out" for "out-in". And the word "dexterity" is shortened to "dex". So in the case of Blur, the notation would give us "... in dex > ... in dex ..." to represent that there are two sequential in-out dexterities in the move. For this tutorial, let's ignore moves like "pogo" and "symposium" and other moves where plants and spins (gyrating, in-spinning, etc.) are significant. They *are* handled by the notation, but it's best to understand the BASIC form of the notation before getting into that stuff, so I'll leave it for another tutorial. (Some of that notation is also open to debate as to whether or not it covers every case.) (4) The only other confusion might be "opposite" versus "same". We decided that, to avoid having to write a move description twice, once for the left side and one for the right, and since people aren't always in agreement about which side is which (don't ask), everything would be "relative". What I mean by "relative" is, when we say "opposite" ("op"), we mean "opposite to the leg/foot referred to just before the ">", and when we say "same", we mean "same as the leg/foot referred to just before the ">". So Blur set from either clipper would be: clip > op in dex > op in dex > op toe (The non-setting foot does the first in-out dexterity; the foot that didn't do that dexterity then does another in-out dexterity; and you catch the bag on the toe of the foot that didn't just do that final dexterity.) (5) Why do we use "relative" meanings for "op" and "same", and not use them to refer to "opposite of setting foot" or "same as setting foot"? The answer is, it really doesn't make a big difference which way we use them, but we have to be consistent and agree to a particular meaning, and most people have accepted the convention in (4) above. I personally think the one we're using now is more sensible, and if you want to spent 1 more minute, read this reasoning. Otherwise, skip it and you're done with the tutorial. Reasoning: if we write everything relative to the setting foot, it confuses the issue for variations on moves (such as "paradox" or "gyrating") where the components are exactly the same, but the set is different. So we (I?) prefer to be able to see the similarity in two moves by comparing their inner components without having to go and figure out which leg is which. If everything is relative ("opposite of or same as leg referred to in the previous component") then things are generally simpler to cut and paste in e-mail. :-) NOTE: Moves can start and end with other surfaces than toes and clippers, including insides (used like toes), dragons (used like clippers), and soles (used either way depending on whether they're cross-body or not), but the description would otherwise be identical. So a move could be "inside > ... > dragon" if it started with an inside set and ended in a dragon, for example. But the key is, regardless of which surface you use, all the stuff in the middle (after the set and before the pick-up) is the same. But let's ignore those cases for the sake of understanding the basic notation. The terms at the beginning and end of the move description are really the least interesting (especially since most of us agree the set isn't really part of the move, again not wanting to open a can of worms onto the great paradox debate :-)). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- End of Tutorial -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon May 11 23:57:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA29519 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:57:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f24.hotmail.com [207.82.250.35]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08347 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:51:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 9206 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 1998 22:51:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19980511225111.9204.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.80.32.148 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:51:09 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.80.32.148] From: "Andrew Feuerdrache" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] the footbag obsession? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:51:09 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have a question for everyone that has bothered me since I began to get serious about my game, but first I have a confession. I think footbag freestyle is kind of silly. Of course I also have to fight back laughter every time I watch the World Series on T.V. at the thought that those people hit a ball with a stick and then run around the border of a square marked in a field for a profession. Still my question is this, why do we play this somewhat silly, obscure game, without the hope of making a living at it, sacrificing our time to practice and having to endure the occasional taunts of non players. I've heard that many players like myself started playing for the society, the idea that anyone can come up to a circle and start playing with people they have never met, but this isn't all of it. That doesn't explain why many of us sacrifice countless hours practicing by ourselves to improve our game. I personally play because it is such a rich sport, that there are so many elements, and so much of the game that has not been explored. Although I don't expect a lot of answers, I would like to know what makes other people enjoy this sport so, what is that strange footbag obsession that keeps us playing, that insites some people to personal sacrifice at it's benifit? Why do we love this sport? -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 12 00:11:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA31446 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:11:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from megsinet.net (mail.megsinet.net [208.133.72.77]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06194 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:34:24 -0700 Received: from megsinet.net(totalcontrol1-28.cleveland.megsinet.net[209.81.149.28]) (954 bytes) by megsinet.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:34:04 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #12 built 1998-Feb-6) Message-ID: <35576E55.DF9595BF@megsinet.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:32:05 -0400 From: BlacK_OuT Reply-To: nwise@megsinet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Beginner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, Im realativity new to the sport of Foot Bag. I've been kicking for about a month now and can do fine with my right side, but can't seem to learn my left, I was wondering if someone could give me some advice on how to learn to use my left side. I can do some of the basic, easier stalls like the head, sometimes the neck, the chest, sometimes the knee, and about 1/5 times the toe, I was wondering if someone could help me out with that also. thanks in advance Brent Wise From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 12 01:26:18 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA05480 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:26:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (www.callplus.co.nz [202.27.101.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09898 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:25:27 -0700 Received: by INETSRV with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:24:35 +1200 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C129ACB@INETSRV> From: Adrian Dick To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] the footbag obsession? Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:24:33 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I practice so I can show off :-) -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Feuerdrache [SMTP:damocles_schwert@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 1998 10:51 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] the footbag obsession? I have a question for everyone that has bothered me since I began to get serious about my game, but first I have a confession. I think footbag freestyle is kind of silly. Of course I also have to fight back laughter every time I watch the World Series on T.V. at the thought that those people hit a ball with a stick and then run around the border of a square marked in a field for a profession. Still my question is this, why do we play this somewhat silly, obscure game, without the hope of making a living at it, sacrificing our time to practice and having to endure the occasional taunts of non players. I've heard that many players like myself started playing for the society, the idea that anyone can come up to a circle and start playing with people they have never met, but this isn't all of it. That doesn't explain why many of us sacrifice countless hours practicing by ourselves to improve our game. I personally play because it is such a rich sport, that there are so many elements, and so much of the game that has not been explored. Although I don't expect a lot of answers, I would like to know what makes other people enjoy this sport so, what is that strange footbag obsession that keeps us playing, that insites some people to personal sacrifice at it's benifit? Why do we love this sport? -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 12 02:45:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA13166 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:45:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA11114 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:42:01 -0700 Received: from JSBX@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id OPBUa25760 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:41:33 +2000 (EDT) From: JSBX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:41:33 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] footbag obesession Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. I am going to college next year, and I actually wrote a couple college essays about my love of footbag. I mentioned how it was a personal test of my determination and resolve, and how it keeps me in shape while allowing me to get my mind off other troubles in a therapeutically sound cathartic manner. But I think we all know that we pursue the sport so we can show off and give girls an excuse to approach us and talk to us. KeN From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 12 02:45:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA13172 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:45:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f30.hotmail.com [207.82.250.41]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA11390 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:57:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 9873 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 1998 01:57:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19980512015705.9872.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.115.62.87 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:57:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.115.62.87] From: "Steve Miskiewicz" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Beginner Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:57:04 EDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Do one kick with your right foot, then do it again in slow motion. Look at what you do with the foot then try to repeat it on the opp. side. other than that just practice, practice, practice. Also try to learn each new move on both sides. I didn't and know I have to go back over these moves so I can do more complicated ones. Steve MiskiewicZ > >Hi, Im realativity new to the sport of Foot Bag. >I've been kicking for about a month now and can do >fine with my right side, but can't seem to learn >my left, I was wondering if someone could give me >some advice on how to learn to use my left side. > >I can do some of the basic, easier stalls like the >head, sometimes the neck, the chest, sometimes the >knee, and about 1/5 times the toe, I was wondering >if someone could help me out with that also. > >thanks in advance > >Brent Wise > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 12 02:46:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA13194 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:46:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f91.hotmail.com [207.82.250.197]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11637 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:10:46 -0700 Received: (qmail 9073 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 1998 02:10:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19980512021001.9072.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.115.62.87 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:10:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.115.62.87] From: "Steve Miskiewicz" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] the footbag obsession? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:10:00 EDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org SILLY?!?!? I see nothing silly about footbag compared to any other sport out there. As for why I play it, I have no idea. I play it all the time and think about it all the time. I guess there is some sort of gloy to it because no one has heard of it. Like when I go to the mall and kick at the entrance and sometimes people watch. young kids stare with a look of amazement,and some ask me what-in-the-world i am doing. I get this feeling sometimes that i'm introducing this sport to kids who have never seen this sport before. And the thing that amazes me is that I'm even good!! Steve MiskiewicZ > > I have a question for everyone that has bothered me since I began to >get serious about my game, but first I have a confession. I think >footbag freestyle is kind of silly. Of course I also have to fight back >laughter every time I watch the World Series on T.V. at the thought that >those people hit a ball with a stick and then run around the border of a >square marked in a field for a profession. Still my question is this, >why do we play this somewhat silly, obscure game, without the hope of >making a living at it, sacrificing our time to practice and having to >endure the occasional taunts of non players. > I've heard that many players like myself started playing for the >society, the idea that anyone can come up to a circle and start playing >with people they have never met, but this isn't all of it. That doesn't >explain why many of us sacrifice countless hours practicing by ourselves >to improve our game. I personally play because it is such a rich sport, >that there are so many elements, and so much of the game that has not >been explored. Although I don't expect a lot of answers, I would like to >know what makes other people enjoy this sport so, what is that strange >footbag obsession that keeps us playing, that insites some people to >personal sacrifice at it's benifit? Why do we love this sport? > >-Andrew > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 12 06:13:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA00575 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 06:13:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (pilot006.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.106]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14220 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:04:21 -0700 Received: (from carrol39@localhost) by pilot006.cl.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA51958 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 12 May 1998 02:04:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199805120604.CAA51958@pilot006.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [freestyle] footbag obsession To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 02:04:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Thomas Michael Carroll" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This one goes out to Ken in particular, but I thought some of you might sympathize with me here. . . . Give girls an excuse to approach us?!?!? I though that at one time, but I can't say that a girl has EVER approached me while playing. Maybe it's because my game lacks a backside. . . . -Thomas From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 12 06:19:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA00633 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 06:19:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.90]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14378 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:17:13 -0700 Received: from holly.ColoState.EDU (holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.76]) by eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id AAA19324 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:16:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ts1115.SLIP.ColoState.EDU (ts1115.SLIP.ColoState.EDU [129.82.192.19]) by holly.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id AAA21308 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3557ED66.3DF3@holly.colostate.edu> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:34:14 -0700 From: bill pepper Reply-To: bpepper@holly.ColoState.EDU Organization: csu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] facile Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey all just bought a facile juice what is the best method to quickly break it in i hear washing in cold water what kind of soap do i use? here's a move question -- i do a wrap (left foot, so footbag ends up on right), i then immediately turn to the right and lay into a right butterfly stall (left leg dex, right clipper stall). it's hard to nail the butterfly stall and sometimes i bail to butterfly kick if i'm not timed correctly. is this a move of sorts or just a combo? have any of you tried it? try it (i hope this explains it well enough, i do not want to perpetuate the notation issue) Bill From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 12 15:24:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA19682 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:24:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from bozeman.onramp.net (bozeman.onramp.net [199.1.11.26]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA17204 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 05:43:12 -0700 Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by bozeman.onramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA16796 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:41:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from acsdallas.com (ppp10-33.dllstx.onramp.net [206.50.200.33]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA04082 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:42:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from james [144.19.62.4] by acs_dc [144.19.62.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP1.R) for ; Tue, 12 May 98 07:43:19 -0500 Received: by james with Microsoft Mail id <01BD7D78.6CFCDB60@james>; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:34:41 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD7D78.6CFCDB60@james> From: James Roberts To: "freestyle@footbag.org" , "'Thomas Michael Carroll'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] footbag obsession Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:34:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It's how I met my wife. We've been married 10 yrs. on May 21, so you'd better learn all sides if you want it to work for you, Thomas. If you school it, it will come. --jr ---------- From: Thomas Michael Carroll[SMTP:carrol39@pilot.msu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 1:04 AM To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] footbag obsession This one goes out to Ken in particular, but I thought some of you might sympathize with me here. . . . Give girls an excuse to approach us?!?!? I though that at one time, but I can't say that a girl has EVER approached me while playing. Maybe it's because my game lacks a backside. . . . -Thomas From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 12 15:24:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA19708 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:24:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hermes.kdi.com (root@hermes.kdi.com [208.21.240.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA18390 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 06:53:35 -0700 Received: from dial-14.kdi.com (TINA.mlo@dial-14.kdi.com [208.21.240.164]) by hermes.kdi.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11156; Tue, 12 May 1998 09:03:28 GMT Message-ID: <35585477.CE2C0D2E@muellerlaw.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:53:59 -0500 From: Tina Lewis Organization: Mueller Law Offices X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Feuerdrache CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] the footbag obsession? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19980511225111.9204.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I play footbag because it gives me some balance in my life, it keeps me sane, it has opened up a world to me that I would have never have found otherwise, it has shown me that I can accomplish a lot more than I ever expected, it has given me a joy and appreciation of my mind and body and the intersection of the two that I was only slightly aware of before. Finally, it's just plain fun all the time and I keep trying for those unexplainable and incredible peak moments in the middle of a match where everything is flowing and time stops still. It doesn't happen often enough but I don't think I would have ever found it all without footbag and the other players who pushed and pulled me to that point through their love, friendship and competitiveness. tina. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 12 20:25:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA16068 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:25:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.37]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23517 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:22:10 -0700 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id OULTa25732 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:21:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Nageylum Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:21:10 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] the footbag obsession? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org well, i found that it passed time in large amounts for me when i first started kicking, then as i got into freestyle more and more i found that there was a "high" when one hits a new move or an awesome combo, and for me that's what it's all about getting myself to that feeling of greatness, and even if it's just kicking in a circle with "hacky slackers" i still feel good doing a sport i love, and promote to the best of my ability. Josh Childs From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 12 20:51:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA18962 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:51:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.36]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27737 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:20:32 -0700 Received: from HipCheck73@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id VZCMa15161 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:19:20 -0400 (EDT) From: HipCheck73 Message-ID: <2cf87cb5.3558aec9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:19:20 EDT To: footbag@footbag.org (Footbag discussion) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] info on sack Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey there, Well I'm sure this topic has come up a million times before but I'm goin to ask anyway. I'm a beginner who's trying to learn the stalls and was wondering what's the best kinda sack for it? I hear these Dirt and Sand sacks are good? What does everyone recommend and where can I get whatever you recommend. Is the JAQSAQ sand footbag good? It's the earth colored one with 12 panel facile? Thanks -Michael Osofsky From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 12 20:56:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA19019 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 20:56:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25853 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:13:31 -0700 Received: from StinKyKiwi@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id OUWNa02232 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:12:33 -0400 (EDT) From: StinKyKiwi Message-ID: <707d4376.35589f22@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:12:33 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] new dirtbags arnt as good Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just got a new dirtbag in the mail...and it looks like it is made of some kind of fuzzy cotton! Whats up with this...anyone have one break on them? The lady at WFA said it is still a synthetic suede. thanks.. Matt From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue May 12 21:39:56 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA22887 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:39:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hejira.Hunter.CUNY.EDU (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28763 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:08:53 -0700 Received: from sara (grc-ny11-01.ix.netcom.com [207.94.106.129]) by hejira.Hunter.CUNY.EDU (8.8.5/george96) with SMTP id RAA03334 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980512171323.007a1e10@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu> X-Sender: jpenney@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:13:23 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Magically Delicious Josh Penney Subject: [freestyle] Re: new materials In-Reply-To: <707d4376.35589f22@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 03:12 PM 5/12/98 EDT, you wrote: >I just got a new dirtbag in the mail...and it looks like it is made of some >kind of fuzzy cotton! Whats up with this...anyone have one break on them? The >lady at WFA said it is still a synthetic suede. The nature of industry is change. Constantly. Sometimes changes are great, sometimes they're not so good. If you can't handle it then find something you like now and buy enough to last you the rest of your life. Think of it as 'Footbag makers keeping you on your toes' No pun intended, Jim. JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed May 13 01:17:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA26455 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:17:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f102.hotmail.com [207.82.250.221]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA32454 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:59:55 -0700 Received: (qmail 29829 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 1998 00:58:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19980513005849.29828.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 131.172.20.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:58:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [131.172.20.22] From: "Christopher Hansford" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] RE: freestyle obsession Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:58:49 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I found myself to be instantly fixated one day when I joined in a circle. I'm not sure exactly why I was so attracted to it straight off, but I continue it partly because it is something that I can do apart from playing guitar. When people ask me what my hobby is I can't say guitar because that is a serious passion that I hope to earn a crust from. Hackey sack (er...footbag) allows me to step away from everything else. All I'm thinking about is keeping that darn object in the air. I haven't yet had the elation of scoring new tricks, oh except for when I nailed my first toe stall. I've only been at it a few months. But I've found a bloke through the footbag list who says he'll teach me (g'day Lynton). Whoo hoo!! Chris Hansford ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu May 14 00:49:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA07144 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:49:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f23.hotmail.com [207.82.250.34]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA14870 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:32:27 -0700 Received: (qmail 20593 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 1998 20:31:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19980513203138.20579.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.70.40.175 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:31:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [198.70.40.175] From: Thomas Baker To: freestyle@footbag.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:31:36 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org okay I'm looking for some extreme visual moves that are somewhat quick to learn. Something to impress peoplw wid. I'm ace at all da one add moves but would like some help wid some others Just e-mail me at stubbs_37@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu May 14 15:34:25 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA02032 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 15:34:25 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f91.hotmail.com [207.82.250.197]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA22312 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:40:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 23515 invoked by uid 0); 14 May 1998 07:39:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19980514073933.23514.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 131.172.20.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:39:33 PDT X-Originating-IP: [131.172.20.22] From: "Christopher Hansford" To: footbag@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Juice vs. Tangent? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:39:33 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am wondering what the differences between the freestyle Juice and Tangent footbags are. Yes, I know that the Juice has 32 panels etc. but what does that mean in terms of how one FEELS over the other? Chris Hansford. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu May 14 16:49:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA14583 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:49:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (pilot015.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.115]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA30693 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:55:24 -0700 Received: (from kenned57@localhost) by pilot015.cl.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA39236 for freestyle@footbag.org; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:55:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199805122255.SAA39236@pilot015.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [freestyle] art festival this weekend To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:55:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cameron Dean Kennedy" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hello freestylers! Just a brief reminder that the east lansing art festival is this weekend, saturday and sunday. This will most likely be my last michigan jam until xmas. There has already been a significant amount of interst shown by the community because of the ticket i recieved for playing footbag last week. Come out and shred with us, and help keep footbag legal at MSU. The tentative site for the jam is in front of the smoke shop on MAC. From 11:00 AM till whenever saturday, and sunday. At three o'clock, saturday, my boys at Spin cycle records are going to be playing live music behind the inflight store. Spin cycle records offers the best service of any store i have ever been in, and carries the best supply of underground music. Custom orders availiable. 10% off to customers during the art festival. The employees are some of the best disk jockeys in michigan, and they promise to put on a good session. The brochures for the festival indicating the time and place of events will be availiable to me tomarrow. I will scan in a map of the location, and indicate the expected shred sites. The preprints seem to be indicating four stages of music, and a bunch of other stuff. I will try to scan in the whole brochure, and have it availiable by 5:00 EST 5-13-98. see ya there, cameron grasshopper footbag From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu May 14 20:51:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA26361 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 20:51:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from megsinet.net (mail.megsinet.net [208.133.72.77]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01344 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:27:29 -0700 Received: from megsinet.net(totalcontrol1-5.cleveland.megsinet.net[209.81.149.5]) (1230 bytes) by megsinet.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 15:27:13 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #12 built 1998-Feb-6) Message-ID: <355B5323.A69AE6AA@megsinet.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:25:07 -0400 From: Brent Wise Reply-To: nwise@megsinet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, Im trying to learn to use my bad side (left) and I can do the inside kicks fine, but when I try to hit the outside of my left foot ill either miss, hit it out of play to the left, or skim it putting lots of spin on it, I know to most of you this is really basic and i was wondering if someone could help me out with this. Ive tried the "mirror method" but it's like my foot just doesn't want to move that way or something....... Also, when I try to do a clipper or flying clipper 9/10 times I will hit it and it will go flying in front of me where I can't get it, Im keeping my instep realativitly flat, is there some way to control which direction you want to hit it, or should I turn while im doing a clipper ? Thanks in advance Brent Wise From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu May 14 22:20:57 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA08254 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:20:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f110.hotmail.com [207.82.250.229]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA03810 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 15:02:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 21181 invoked by uid 0); 14 May 1998 22:01:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19980514220126.21180.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.195.12 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 May 1998 15:01:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.195.12] From: "Marc Inzinger" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Knoxville,TN?!? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:01:25 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, are there any advanced players around Knoxville,TN. I am currently living in Clinton,TN. If you live in Knoxville or area than e-mail me and maybe we can share some tricks. Marc ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 15 00:26:31 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA31757 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:26:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f139.hotmail.com [207.82.251.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04149 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 15:25:28 -0700 Received: (qmail 1402 invoked by uid 0); 14 May 1998 22:24:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19980514222443.1401.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.195.12 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 May 1998 15:24:43 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.195.12] From: "Marc Inzinger" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] reverse torque? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:24:43 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org After I learned how to do an Osis, I started to think of variations. I am still not getting a torque but I can do an Osis with an legover (out/in) combined. Example: I start with a right toe stall, bring my right leg from over the footbag from out to in while I am already turning to an Osis. I think the whole trick is worth 4 adds (Osis=3adds + out/dexterity=+1more add). I was looking in the freestyle list but I coulden't find this trick. Well, I didn't understand how a Refraction works but I think it is somehow different. Please write me if you know something about it.Marc ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 15 01:46:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA13243 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:46:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from nexus.idirect.com (nexus.idirect.com [207.136.80.55]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04724 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:10:58 -0700 Received: from envoynet32.idirect.com (envoynet32.idirect.com [207.136.88.32]) by nexus.idirect.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA11240 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by envoynet32.idirect.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD802F.85273780@envoynet32.idirect.com>; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:30:22 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD802F.85273780@envoynet32.idirect.com> From: Rob Howe To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Dexterities Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:30:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id XAA20783 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey, Okay this is a two part question. 1) I've noticed that most of the moves that are greater than one add involve stalls. I am not a good staller (I don't like to slow the game down) and I was wondering if there were any more difficult moves that don't involve stalls. I prefer moves like the butterfly and flying clipper but can't seem to find any more moves like that. 2) In reference to question 1. See above I was wondering if anyone had any tips for doing quicker dexterities. Please reply either on the mailing list or at westwind@idirect.com Thanks Rob From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 15 02:26:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA20474 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:26:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from essential.essential.org (essential.org [198.4.52.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06317 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:42:50 -0700 Received: from essential.org (frankenstein.essential.org [198.4.52.22]) by essential.essential.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA20390; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <355B9F1E.35A21151@essential.org> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:49:18 -0400 From: Dashiell Love X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Inzinger , Freestyle List Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse torque? References: <19980514222443.1401.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I too have been doing this but go from a right toe to a left foot legover/osis,: I have not been able to find a name either and am unclear whether it merits 4 adds since the dexterity and osis are in a sense one motion-D Marc Inzinger wrote: > After I learned how to do an Osis, I started to think of variations. I > am still not getting a torque but I can do an Osis with an legover > (out/in) combined. Example: I start with a right toe stall, bring my > right leg from over the footbag from out to in while I am already > turning to an Osis. I think the whole trick is worth 4 adds (Osis=3adds > + out/dexterity=+1more add). I was looking in the freestyle list but I > coulden't find this trick. Well, I didn't understand how a Refraction > works but I think it is somehow different. Please write me if you know > something about it.Marc > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 15 02:38:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA22269 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:38:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f eceived: from hejira.Hunter.CUNY.EDU (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06589 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:11:09 -0700 Received: from sara (nyc-ny77-03.ix.netcom.com [209.109.228.195]) by hejira.Hunter.CUNY.EDU (8.8.5/george96) with SMTP id WAA07946 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980514221537.007e2de0@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu> X-Sender: jpenney@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:15:37 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Magically Delicious Josh Penney Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dexterities In-Reply-To: <01BD802F.85273780@envoynet32.idirect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 06:30 PM 5/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >1) I've noticed that most of the moves that are greater than one add involve stalls. I am not a good staller (I don't like to slow the game down) and I was wondering if there were any more difficult moves that don't involve stalls. I prefer moves like the butterfly and flying clipper but can't seem to find any more moves like that. Cool. There are lots of folks into just control and flow. What's truly difficult is stringing flyers together: There's dragonfly - a flying mirage, and paradox dragonfly. There are sole kicks, cross-body sole kicks, and spinning variations of all these plus what you can already do. Casey Rothschild can dragonfly with his knees, Rex Stoler does flyers from toes - the limitations are in your imagination. I've seen butterfly delayed on a cross body sole (DK) so how far behind could the kick be? >2) In reference to question 1. See above I was wondering if anyone had any tips for doing quicker dexterities. Hmm. There aren't too many fast-dex moves not involving delays, since you really can't get "the jump" on a kick set. See how well pointing your toe or just keeping your ankle loose works. Still Big and Fat, JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 15 02:55:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA25834 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:55:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (pilot016.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.116]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06810 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:32:59 -0700 Received: (from carrol39@localhost) by pilot016.cl.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19614 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:32:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199805150232.WAA19614@pilot016.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [freestyle] Rides for the Art Fair To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:32:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Thomas Michael Carroll" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey freestylers, I've heard that the Art Fair in East Lansing is a great place to show off. I was hoping to go down there now that someone has arranged something, there IS one problem, I don't have a working car right now. If anyone is headed down there from anywhere near Bay City, Michigan, it would be great if I could get a ride. . . . Phone # (517) 686 0839 e-mail: carrol39@pilot.msu.edu -Thomas Carroll Big Toe Footbags From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 15 08:15:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id IAA17393 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:15:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from slash.videotron.ab.ca (slash.videotron.ab.ca [206.75.216.210]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08614 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:14:50 -0700 Received: from default.v-wave.com ([24.108.13.51]) by slash.videotron.ab.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id AAA4AF1; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:11:32 -0600 From: "mr marcel graves" To: Cc: Subject: [freestyle] New moves? Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 01:15:33 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <7717D8B346B.AAA4AF1@slash.videotron.ab.ca> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org here's a couple: if anyone can tell me names for them or how many adds, it would be appreciated. 1. ButterflySwirl Dragon?? : right toe set, left leg over (out-in), swirl (right leg swirls underneath a butterfly), into 180 spin (turning over right shoulder) caught with right outside stall (dragon?) (sorry about my shitty descriptions!!) 2. Miraging Helium?? right clipper set, left leg goes over in to out, caught on right heel (inside your right leg, not outside your right leg) 'pendulumed' up and over your head from behind to back in front of you. (pendulum is performed with your heel - helium??) Is this considered two moves? Heel mirage to heel pendulum? 3. Heel around the world: heel stall, around the world to heel stall. 4. Butterfly pincher: butterfly kicked up ito your left knee I'm going to bed. It's too late to be on my computer!!! Thanx, Gravy. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri May 15 16:03:56 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA04725 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:03:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from vernd.geotrac.com ([207.87.222.34]) by mail.accnorwalk.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0122 ID# 564-48782U3500L350S0) with SMTP id AAA169 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:46:24 -0400 Received: by vernd.geotrac.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD7FCC.54D45760@vernd.geotrac.com>; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:40:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01BD7FCC.54D45760@vernd.geotrac.com> From: Vern DeHaven To: "'freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] For those subject to dress codes... Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:40:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD7FCC.54E52040" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD7FCC.54E52040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey people, At my workplace, there are about 10 people who get together and kick on = breaks. Unfortunately, Lavers are just outside the dress code. :) = Fortunately, I found a dress shoe that is fairly conducive to kickin', = Airwalk Airwalkers. They look like a mocassin with a huge toe area, and = the instep and outstep are made of supple enough leather to feel the = bag. Even heels are easy to catch. There's a ridge just above the sole = circumferentiating (Webster's, help! He's making 'em up as he goes!) = the shoe; since we can't have a toe box, why not have an instep version? = They're pretty light, too. 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majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA20603 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 20:36:09 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from pilot03.cl.msu.edu (pilot03.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.13]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21380 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:36:22 -0700 Received: (from kenned57@localhost) by pilot03.cl.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25999 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:36:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199805151936.PAA25999@pilot03.cl.msu.edu> Subject: [freestyle] artfest info To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:36:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cameron Dean Kennedy" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org 5-15-98 I forgot to post the address for the web page with the dates and location of the art fair http://pilot.msu.edu/~kenned57/artfest/artfest.html so here it is. sorry about the size of the map. thanks to those who pointed out the blantantly obvious. see ya there cameron if anyone from the flint area needs rides, i've got room for two more From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat May 16 00:08:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA25633 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 00:08:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from vcn.bc.ca (marigold@opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24497 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:03:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA02643; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:03:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Verhoef Anne To: Dashiell Love cc: Marc Inzinger , Freestyle List Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse torque? In-Reply-To: <355B9F1E.35A21151@essential.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 14 May 1998, Dashiell Love wrote: > I too have been doing this but go from a right toe to a left foot > legover/osis,: I have not been able to find a name either and am unclear > whether it merits 4 adds since the dexterity and osis are in a sense one > motion-D You are thinking of a variation of a flux where flux= clip>op out in>op osis only except you are starting from a toe set. The same 4 adds Adrian -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat May 16 00:35:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA30953 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 00:35:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from vcn.bc.ca (marigold@opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24607 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:09:01 -0700 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04622; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:08:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Verhoef Anne To: mr marcel graves cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New moves? In-Reply-To: <7717D8B346B.AAA4AF1@slash.videotron.ab.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Fri, 15 May 1998, mr marcel graves wrote: > 1. ButterflySwirl Dragon?? : right toe set, left leg over (out-in), swirl > (right leg swirls underneath a butterfly), into 180 spin (turning over > right shoulder) caught with right outside stall (dragon?) 4 adds: dragon does not get an unusual surface so it is the same as ending in a clipper but much cooler. > 2. Miraging Helium?? right clipper set, left leg goes over in to out, > caught on right heel (inside your right leg, not outside your right leg) > 'pendulumed' up and over your head from behind to back in front of you. > (pendulum is performed with your heel - helium??) Is this considered two > moves? Heel mirage to heel pendulum? This move is 3 adds: dex, unusual, delay Heel mirage to heel pendulum are two seperate moves. > 3. Heel around the world: heel stall, around the world to heel stall. 3 adds. Unfortunately, you don't get an unusual add from the surface you start from. > 4. Butterfly pincher: butterfly kicked up ito your left knee Again, two seperate moves: butterfly and pincher Adrian -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat May 16 08:11:50 1998 Received: (from majord