From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 3 15:13:50 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA03368 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:13:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SuperOwen@aol.com Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IQVSa26167 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3e2a8e4.35c5bc30@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:33:35 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Questions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, I'm 15 and have been hacking seriously now for a few months. And I have a few questions. 1) Is there anybody reading this from the Pittsburgh area? If so, please E- mail me. 2) I recently have been working on the mirage, and I'm wondering how the heck does somebody do this? I'm finding it very difficult to spin my foot around the footbag quick enough. 3) Is there anyone reading this with a Flying Clipper Alpha footbag? How is it? I'm looking into getting one. Well, That's all my questions for now. Thanks, Owen From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 5 19:25:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA11432 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:25:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SuperOwen@aol.com Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IIDUa13456 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:48:16 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Whirling Swirl Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Could somebody please explain the Whirling Swirl to me in English? I'm sorry but some of the explanations I've found I can't understand. Thanks, owen From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 6 16:19:33 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA31652 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:19:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f5.hotmail.com [207.82.250.16]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA30262 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 03:30:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 28548 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 1998 10:29:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19980806102950.28547.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.122.69.196 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Aug 1998 03:29:50 PDT X-Originating-IP: [194.122.69.196] From: "Marc Inzinger" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] freestyle Videos Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 03:29:50 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I„d like to buy some new freestyle Videos. I already got „„Tricks of the trade``,„„Raw Shred``, and „„Shredded Wheat``. The problem is that I am living in Germany but I would be able to pay a little bit more. It would be also great if the Video is in PAL but it doesn„t have to. I also heard about a Video which is called „„Shred 97``. Anyway, send me an e-mail if you got some Videos that I don„t have yet. Marc Inzinger P.S.: Jeremy Keller if you still exist than send me a message!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 6 16:20:29 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA31669 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:20:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (www0c.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.32]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA30933 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:14:48 -0700 Received: (qmail 21515 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 1998 13:14:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19980806131447.21514.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 206.119.33.108 by webmail.netscape.com via web-mailer(3.1) on Thu Aug 6 13:14:47 GMT 1998 Date: 6 Aug 98 09:14:47 EDT From: Mike Keymont To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Boston isn't dead yet... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org The scene in Boston may look dead, but there are still a few up and coming kickers out here. I'm on the outskirts of boston and if anyone ever wants to kick, they can contact me at mkeymont@netscape.net for specifics. Especially if you are Sam Andrew Hires. I'll come out to MIT when you get to town for school. I've got a couple of stylers with me in Hull, too. Also, we love to play net. Cool. Later. Mike Keymont ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 6 23:25:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA17351 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:25:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03367 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:05:30 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA06939 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:04:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx42-03.ix.netcom.com(207.221.94.67) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006907; Thu Aug 6 17:04:33 1998 Message-ID: <35C8D847.3CEB@utdallas.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:10:15 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] doubles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello there. After going to Worlds, I realized that most people can hit doubles (paradon, barfly, barrage, etc.) I have hit barrage on rare occasions, and double over down only once. Any tips on these moves? I've been looking like a freak practicing the motion without a bag, but that hasn't seemed to help as of yet. I've even been working on fairy sets thinking that a double over should be right around the corner. No luck there either. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm willing to listen. Thanks. -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 7 01:44:10 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA23504 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:44:10 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from diana.sfsu.edu (root@diana.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.239]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA05146 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:42:23 -0700 Received: from tuhuge.sfsu.edu (madmax-166.sfsu.edu [130.212.201.166]) by diana.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA17502; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980806184035.0069369c@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: tuhuge@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:40:35 -0700 To: "Marc Inzinger" , freestyle@footbag.org From: deja vu Subject: Re: [freestyle] freestyle Videos In-Reply-To: <19980806102950.28547.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id BAA23424 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 03:29 AM 8/6/98 PDT, Marc Inzinger wrote: >I also heard about a Video which is called **Shred 97``. Anyway, send me >an e-mail if you got some Videos that I don*t have yet. > >Marc Inzinger 97' shred will always be available!!!! marc, I will e-mail you in the next couple of weeks so we can figure this out for you. if anyone would like to 97' shred, 96' shred or worlds routines from those 2 years than send checks or money orders to: tuan vu 4533 california street san francisco, CA 94118 if anyone has any questions you can e-mail me or call: 415-668-8146 (Tuan Vu) or 415-831-5859 (Tu Vu) hold off any orders until at least august 18th because tuan will be back then. I would also like to suggest Sean wingert's new video, but I'm not sure when that will come out. I tell you, that man does great work!!!!!!! :-) 2 HUGE From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 7 22:12:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA10361 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:12:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: ispin12s@STARLINX.com Received: from ntsvr2wg.starlinx.com (ntsvr2wg-e0.starlinx.com [207.103.34.1] (may be forged)) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14182 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:04:27 -0700 Received: from ntsvr2wg ([207.103.34.2]) by ntsvr2wg.starlinx.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 519-48023U1000L100S0) with SMTP id AAA350 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:05:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:05:14 +0100 Subject: [freestyle] philadelphia folk festival To: FREESTYLE@footbag.org Reply-To: ispin12s@STARLINX.com Priority: normal Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: <19980807200514567.AAA350@ntsvr2wg> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey shredders!!! Any stylers on the east coast going to the philadelphia folk festival? This festival has all kinds of juggling acts and is the perfect place for some great footbag publicity. If anyone is interested in some info contact me at ispin12s@starlinx.com or check out the festival home page and meet me at the Sibinnac Tribe camp site. (You won't have any problem finding us) Tickets are pretty expensive, but it will be one of the best times you ever had! Also, we are losing Ethan Klein for a couple of months to Asia, and are always looking for some new members for the Philly area shred sqad. We usually kick Wed evenings and you can contact me at the above E-mail address. T.J. Happy Shredding!!!!! From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 10 02:25:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA09729 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:25:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA11176 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:09:20 -0700 Message-ID: <19980809210849.19087.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [161.98.1.153] by send1b; Sun, 09 Aug 1998 14:08:49 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:08:49 -0700 (PDT) From: EZ Piltz Subject: [freestyle] shred tape To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org attn. freestylers, i'm putting out a shred video by Labor Day, and i could use your help. it so far isn't as profound as Sean Wingert's (soon-to-be) new video, but will be a great tape. So far there is about thirty compiled minutes, with lots more to be added. So to the point, if you have any good footage, not already sent to Sean, i would love to add it to my tape. the low-down: send me the best quality version possible. i have an 8mm cam, so you can send 8mm or a high quality VHS (if unedited please write the counter times for the worthy strings). also, you'll get a DISCOUNT on the video, as well as sharing your gold with the rest of the world. you can email or (preferably) call me at (303)247-1230, or go ahead and send it to: Eli Piltz 1878 Four Mile Canyon Dr. Boulder, CO 80302 please send it IMMEDIATELY so I have enough time to get it on the tape "RYE SHRED" contains some hot stuff already: Kenny- double-spinning mobius, Red- gyro eggbeater, Ryan- blurriest->scorpion's tail, Eli- paradox legbeater->paratoxic, Genzu- 5 paradox legbeaters! and tons more super phat strings and combos DON'T MISS IT! & THANKS! -Intergalactic Eli _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 10 02:25:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA09735 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:25:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (www.callplus.co.nz [202.27.101.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11483 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:02:22 -0700 Received: by www.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:01:17 +1200 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C0EA503@www.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Insane in the hein domain Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:01:16 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Heya all, Any chance that any of you Worlds participants can list some of the most hein combos and who hit them?? Longest tripless combo? Scorpions Tail Swirl? Gyro Barroque? That oughta tie us Kiwi's over until some videos are released ! Cheers. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Aug 15 06:35:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA29955 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 06:35:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: holyx@ix.netcom.com Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20245 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:25:59 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA17469 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:25:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:25:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from prt-or4-56.ix.netcom.com(207.220.33.120) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017458; Sat Aug 15 01:25:14 1998 To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-Id: <1998815111543719169@ix.netcom.com> Subject: [freestyle] Shults Siting X-Mailer: Netcomplete v4.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org 'Stylers: Thanks to Bob Green of Pocatello, ID, for unabashedly phoning Kenny Shults, whom he didn't know from Adam, and talking him into freestyling at Waterfront Park, Portland, OR on Saturday. By strange coincidence, "The Bite of Portland" (which was the site of the '97 worlds finals) was just getting into full swing. Shults was, shall we say, LARGER THAN LIFE, due to all the golfing and fishing he's been doing. But he proved that he could really "throw his weight around" and I had to leave early because I was concerned for my young son's safety as he strung together 3,4, and 5 ad moves with, uh, EARTHSHAKING authority. Although still feeling rusty at freestyle, Shults was encouraged that he had lost 6 pounds since the '98 Worlds - but I quickly assured him that no one could ever tell... Anyone who knows him could see that the fire is still there... like a volcano... like a volcano of unfathomable circumference... Kick On, Paul V. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 17 05:55:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA18456 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 05:55:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from geocities.com (mail9.geocities.com [209.1.224.44]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00780 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:48:00 -0700 Received: from mail.geocities.com (207-172-164-109.s46.as5.loc.erols.com [207.172.164.109]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA06897 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:47:19 -0700 From: Ospry X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.023) UNREG Reply-To: Ospry Organization: Home Priority: Normal Message-ID: <12532.980816@geocities.com> To: Freestyle Subject: [freestyle] Lavers Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Freestyle, Hey. I'm a very beginner. I've only ever kept the bag in the air and done a few stalls. I have no idea what "adds" or "tripless" means. Anyway, I'm getting ready to buy some new shoes, and may as well get something to help me with footbag. I've heard of "Lavers" on this list, but don't know the pronunciation. Is it the name of a style of shoes, (i.e. Nike "airwalks", Vans "Sonus") Or is the namebrand? If it's the namebrand, what style is best from them? Could I get away with Vans instead? Anyway, I'm probably asking this too late, I gotta go out today and buy something. So if you have the chance, write back quickly. Thanx. Best regards, Ospry mailto:o-o-o@geocities.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 18 00:04:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA00717 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:04:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mueller.muellerlaw.com ([205.238.174.246]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01628 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:09:53 -0700 Received: by MUELLER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.44) id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:18:00 -0500 Message-ID: <717CA55388E6D111B28700A0C9B3FAA003DCBA@MUELLER> From: Tina To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Shults Siting Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:17:57 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.44) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Paul - Thanks for sharing your funny stuff about Kenny!! It made me laugh out loud several times! (and hey maybe it will nudge him back to playing more and more and more... ) tina. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 18 00:04:31 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA00730 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:04:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01372 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:48:47 -0700 Received: (from jpenney@localhost) by hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA23638; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:57:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Sarcastinator the 1st To: Ospry cc: Freestyle Subject: Re: [freestyle] Lavers Question In-Reply-To: <12532.980816@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Most of the info here can be seen without my wry humor at: http://www.footbag.org/faq > Hello Freestyle, Hello Ospry. > Hey. I'm a very beginner. I've only ever kept the bag in the air and done > a few stalls. I have no idea what "adds" or "tripless" means. Literally ? Adds, if you've read anything on the footbag worldwide website (which, if any of this info sounds new or unusual to any of you out there, is the first place for you to go) you'd know they are the outmoded, outdated system for assessing the difficulty level of many tricks within freestyle. They are based on categories which used to encompass all of the tricks played (at the time). They are: delay, body, cross-body, unusual surface and dexterity. A toe stall contains one of these categories and is therefore a 1-add trick. A torque has four of them, so four adds for that one. As to tripless: Many players have committed themselves to a certain level of play that prohibits the 'easy' or beginning tricks, in order to push themselves to the limits of their game. A player who goes 'tiltless' can't use kicks or simple stalls between other tricks, she/he may only use clippers, around the worlds, etc. Guiltess play is not using any two-add moves in the middle of a string, and tripless is four adds and up. (Note: IMHO atom smasher to atom smasher is tripless as far as this styler is concerned) So if you could do a torque, directly into another torque, that would be a 'tripless' combo. > Anyway, I'm getting ready to buy some new shoes, and may as well get > something to help me with footbag. I've heard of "Lavers" on this > list, but don't know the pronunciation. Don't worry, just say " lay " and "vers" and play the 2 headed monster from sesame street, you'll get it. > Is it the name of a style of shoes, Named after Rod Laver, the Tennis pro who stopped playing before you were born. Manufactured and sold by Adidas. You can wear whatever shoes you want, but if you go to a tournament in the near future, you'll see that most players are wearing them. Now, that doesn't mean *you* have to, because there are some players who don't and it hasn't hindered them. If you're rushing to shop, get something that will support a lot of pounding and jumping. JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 18 00:07:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA00758 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:07:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Allman144@aol.com Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IGXCa03745 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:50:56 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] reverse blender Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 51 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all. I am starting to practice a reverse blender and I was wondering if anyone had any tips for me. Mainly about the dexterity, when it is done, is there a pause? That kind of stuff. I would really appreciate if anyone could help. Also, if I were to hold a footbag tournament in Ohio, would you come? I would really appreciate it if you would write back if you are interested so I can just get a good idea. Thanks again! Sincerely, Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 18 04:01:24 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA11465 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 04:01:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04884 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:34:42 -0700 Received: from sara (nyc-ny73-46.ix.netcom.com [209.109.227.174]) by hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA01480 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980817233316.00829a10@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu> X-Sender: jpenney@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:33:16 -0400 To: footbag@footbag.org From: Josh Penney Subject: [freestyle] Another sighting!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Congrats to Ryan 'Regul8r' Mulroney, for the Bongo Jeans commercial for K-Mart. Too bad they don't make jean shorts. Gee, do I watch a lot of TV or what? JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 18 05:05:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA14019 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 05:05:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from firewall.telecom.co.nz (ingate.telecom.co.nz [146.171.254.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA06495 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:04:30 -0700 Received: by firewall.telecom.co.nz (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id RAA25586; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:05:01 +1200 Received: from ish.telecom.co.nz(146.171.1.1) by firewall.telecom.co.nz via smap (3.1) id xma025557; Tue, 18 Aug 98 17:04:50 +1200 Received: from telecom.co.nz ([146.171.53.205]) by ish.telecom.co.nz (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA5201 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:00:54 +1200 Received: from DOM#u#AKGATE-Message_Server by telecom.co.nz with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:07:39 +1200 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:12:54 +1200 From: Stuart MacFerson To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Another sighting!! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Us Kiwis (as we have been dubbed) were recruited for a quick shred on a TV advert for a menswear store about a year and a half ago. We were forced to shred (err..reduced to just kicking) with a juggling ball in an old factory filled with cement dust and no flat surfaces whatsoever. While sporting the latest in cotton trousers and tramping like boots. We only saw it screening 2 or 3 times, but hey, easy cash :) Stuart >>> Josh Penney 18/August/1998 03:33pm >>> Congrats to Ryan 'Regul8r' Mulroney, for the Bongo Jeans commercial for K-Mart. Too bad they don't make jean shorts. Gee, do I watch a lot of TV or what? JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 19 19:19:11 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA11493 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:19:11 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f eceived: from golden.net (golden.net [199.166.210.183]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29961 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:39:28 -0700 Received: from [209.183.128.140] (AS52-03-140.cas-kit.golden.net [209.183.128.140]) by golden.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA24084 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:39:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: kuchma@golden.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freestyle@footbag.org From: kuchma@golden.net (Mike Kuchma) Subject: [freestyle] le coq sportif Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Greetings fellow kickers! Just so everybody knows, le coq sportif is bringing the Arthur Ashe model back into production to commemorate all he's done in tennis and for AIDS etc. Apparently Foot Locker is selling it. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 19 21:22:56 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA17457 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:22:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA31073 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:08:40 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA06081; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:07:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcp205-143.atext.com(205.180.137.143) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006020; Wed Aug 19 15:07:00 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:09:24 -0700 To: kuchma@golden.net (Mike Kuchma) From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] le coq sportif Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:39 AM -0700 8/19/98, Mike Kuchma wrote: >Just so everybody knows, le coq sportif is bringing the Arthur Ashe model >back into production to commemorate all he's done in tennis and for AIDS >etc. Apparently Foot Locker is selling it. A few years ago, this would have been great news. But now, it's the scariest thing in the world! Once the Le Coq stopped being made, everyone switched to the Laver, only to find that their shin splints went away as a result! Little did many of us know that the Le Coq was the primary cause of those shin splints! Perhaps the new version will be better, but I doubt it. Stay away from the Le Coq at all costs if you plan to do anything more than basic kicks. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 20 03:47:46 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA01753 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:47:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SuperOwen@aol.com Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IXYKa04521 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2efe58c8.35db7ebf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:41:15 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Speed? Technique? Kiwi? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello shredders, I have two questions for you today. 1) When doing tricks where a part of your body is spinning around the footbag, is it more important to have speed or technique? I've been working on stuff like that, and frankly, I don't have the speed, so I was wondering if speed isn't important, what's the technique? 2) I've heard the term "kiwi" lately. What does that mean? And one more while I'm on a roll. 3) Is there anyone else out there that prefers to kick in Teva's rather shoes? The 15 year-old wannabe Shults, Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 20 03:52:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA02201 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:52:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02997 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:50:02 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA26330; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:49:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcp205-143.atext.com(205.180.137.143) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026306; Wed Aug 19 22:49:47 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199808200141.BAA29085@eniac.yak.net> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:52:18 -0700 To: SuperOwen@aol.com From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Re: Speed? Technique? Kiwi? Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 6:41 PM -0700 8/19/98, Owen Parrish wrote: >2) I've heard the term "kiwi" lately. What does that mean? A Kiwi's an odd bird from New Zealand, mate! Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 20 05:47:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA06994 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 05:47:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f145.hotmail.com [207.82.251.24]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA03718 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:38:32 -0700 Received: (qmail 18768 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 1998 05:38:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19980820053801.18767.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.109.232.151 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:38:01 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.109.232.151] From: "Dat Phan" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] what do i do next? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:38:01 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I am a begginer and i learned most moves under 3 add with both my feet. What should i try to learn next? Dat Phan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 20 16:26:09 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA02161 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:26:09 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Paul Vorvick Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA04386 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:38:41 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA03566 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:38:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:38:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from prt-or1-36.ix.netcom.com(207.220.32.100) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003559; Thu Aug 20 02:38:20 1998 To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-Id: <1998820122845541@ix.netcom.com> Subject: [freestyle] Shults Siting Addendum X-Mailer: Netcomplete v4.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org 'stylers: As you may have read, Ken "Earthquake" Shults lumbered out to Waterfront Park in Portland last Friday to frighten the bloody heck out of us with his lard, whoops, I mean LARGE, shred-and-4-ad-bail attempt to sweat off a few pounds. I'll have to admit that I chickened out and split early because his rip-walk felt like a 4+ on the Richter Scale - which is understandable, as he has obviously stayed far away from the *bathroom* scale for quite some time. Although I saw some good stuff, apparently I missed his most notable combo; one of approximately 20 contacts that started with blistering-whirl to in- spinning osis and containing, among other things, mobius and scorpion tail. Wow! I may try to gain a few pounds myself... Shults may be trying to start a whole new ad category: pounding-double-legover, pounding-barfly, pounding- the-ground-double-around-the-world, resounding-pounding-astoundingly-round- mound o'flesh-pixie-earthquake... Kick On Kenny, (but please, leave your shirt on) Paul V. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 20 16:27:56 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA02182 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:27:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.70.126.131]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA06832 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 05:44:49 -0700 Received: from [207.208.101.116] (d116.tcg1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.116]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA03810; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:44:37 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980820053801.18767.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:35:43 -0600 To: "Dat Phan" , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] what do i do next? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Dat Phan! At 10:38 PM -0700 8/19/98, Dat Phan wrote: >I am a begginer and i learned most moves under 3 add with both my feet. >What should i try to learn next? Master them. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 20 16:28:16 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA02197 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:28:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f58.hotmail.com [207.82.251.192]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA06527 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:33:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 23050 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 1998 11:33:03 -0000 Message-ID: <19980820113303.23049.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.187.123.181 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:33:02 PDT X-Originating-IP: [129.187.123.181] From: "Andrew Feuerdrache" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Speed? Technique? Kiwi? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:33:02 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "1) When doing tricks where a part of your body is spinning around the footbag, is it more important to have speed or technique? I've been working on stuff like that, and frankly, I don't have the speed, so I was wondering if speed isn't important, what's the technique?" To be honest speed makes up for a lot of bad form but none of that really matters because there aren`t many moves that require a lot of speed. Work on technique you`ll find you`re quicker than you think. As for what that is a good general guideline is to make sure that you eliminate as much intermediate time as possible, ie the time between the bag being released and the beginning of the dexterity, spin, ect. If you need help with a specific move this is the place to ask for it. "2) I've heard the term "kiwi" lately. What does that mean?" They are small fuzzy fruits. heh heh heh -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 20 16:36:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA02682 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:36:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail.accnorwalk.com (mail.accnorwalk.com [207.87.221.24]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA07032 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 06:37:06 -0700 Received: from vern.geotrac.com ([207.87.222.34]) by mail.accnorwalk.com (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0122 ID# 564-48782U3500L350S0) with SMTP id AAA160 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:40:04 -0400 Received: by vern.geotrac.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BDCC1D.AB8CEF20@vern.geotrac.com>; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:34:04 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDCC1D.AB8CEF20@vern.geotrac.com> From: Vern DeHaven To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Le coq "Rooster" sportif vs. Rod "Splintless" Laver Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:33:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id NAA27533 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey people, Do Lavers come in more than one width? My soles are starting to wear a bit, but my instep is still convex. It makes the sport a bit more challenging than it needs to be. They really don't stretch very much, eh? I'm willing to chance the splints for a flatter instep. Vern P.S. Hey Tony, if you need help with the Ohio tourney, get a hold of me. I'll help as much as I can. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 20 16:36:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA02695 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:36:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from cgocable.net (sunshine [207.34.234.44]) by comnetix.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01496 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DC4446.3976A858@cgocable.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:44:07 -0400 From: "Mr. pissed" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Speed? Technique? Kiwi? References: <2efe58c8.35db7ebf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey. That's three questions. But don't mind me, I'm really bored. -Gimpy SuperOwen@aol.com wrote: > Hello shredders, I have two questions for you today. > > 1) When doing tricks where a part of your body is spinning around the > footbag, is it more important to have speed or technique? I've been working > on stuff like that, and frankly, I don't have the speed, so I was wondering if > speed isn't important, what's the technique? > > 2) I've heard the term "kiwi" lately. What does that mean? > > And one more while I'm on a roll. > > 3) Is there anyone else out there that prefers to kick in Teva's rather > shoes? > > The 15 year-old wannabe Shults, > Owen "Total Package" Parrish From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 20 16:36:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA02715 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:36:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from [207.208.101.116] (d116.tcg1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.116]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA03828; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:44:43 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2efe58c8.35db7ebf@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:39:45 -0600 To: SuperOwen@aol.com, freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org From: Scott Davidson Subject: Re: [freestyle] Speed? Technique? Kiwi? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! >Hello shredders, I have two questions for you today. > >1) When doing tricks where a part of your body is spinning around the >footbag, is it more important to have speed or technique? I've been working >on stuff like that, and frankly, I don't have the speed, so I was wondering if >speed isn't important, what's the technique? I would say technique is very important. Your sets should usually be straight up and down, and most of the time your head should be turning into the spin as the bag is leaving your foot, which means that you need to "trust" your set. Master those sets so you don't feel the need to watch it come off your foot. As you turn your head, your shoulders and hips will follow. "Spot" for the bag with your peripheral vision and position your torso accordingly as you continue into the trick. In other words, spin early. See ya! Scott Davidson enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 20 18:18:43 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA07337 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:18:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Bryan Fournier Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09965 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:12:34 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id OOPLa20769 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <63c5eb1c.35dc66d9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:11:36 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Back in the days...shoes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I've come across a few different freestyle shoes that have been used in the past some of these the WFA has tried to get rid of as overstock from the 80's... Anyhow I concluded that the shoes came in production and were used in the freestyle realm in this order: Early-Mid 80's: Vision Street Wear (sometimes Converse All Stars), Mid 80's: Kaepa K160's, Mid-Late 80's: Le Coq Sportif Super Ashe, Early 90's-present: Adidas Rod Lavers (<---- I heard there was a a special edition or variation on the Lavers we freestylers wear today.. if any of you have info on that... that would be awesome)... anyhow the following list was basically a shot in the dark... any changes or comments again would be awesome Also aside from this post about shoes I pose one question to you starved and rabid shredders out there: What is a paratoxic? Thanks again shred heads. ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 20 19:18:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA09979 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:18:00 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10454 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:11:21 -0700 Received: (from jpenney@localhost) by hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA21416; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:17:13 -0400 (EDT) From: They Call me Josh To: SuperOwen@aol.com cc: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Speed? Technique? Kiwi? In-Reply-To: <2efe58c8.35db7ebf@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > 1) When doing tricks where a part of your body is spinning around the > footbag, is it more important to have speed or technique? I've been working > on stuff like that, and frankly, I don't have the speed, so I was wondering if okay, after thinking about it, and seeing the otehr posts, I have a addendum: try this.: set really high, wait, spin, spot the bag, do the rest of the trick. As you get more comfortable with the motion (by practicing it), the sets will get lower and the wait wil become shorter. > The 15 year-old wannabe Shults, > Owen "Total Package" Parrish You must be an "all-round champ!!" Really "big on the scene!!!" -sorry, Kenny. JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 20 21:02:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA14988 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:02:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SethBek@aol.com Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12161 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:55:59 -0700 Received: from SethBek@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id OPHQa02268 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:54:53 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] pictures of shults Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Are there any pictures of the `bigger` and better shults anywhere on the web? From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 20 21:06:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA15061 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:06:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12253 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:04:21 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA04886; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:04:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcptest16.atext.com(206.66.71.175) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004681; Thu Aug 20 16:03:24 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199808202055.UAA14531@eniac.yak.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:05:34 -0700 To: SethBek@aol.com From: Steve Goldberg Subject: [freestyle] Re: pictures of shults Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Are there any pictures of the `bigger` and better shults anywhere on the web? But of course. http://www.footbag.org/gallery/show/worlds98-d1510.jpg Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 21 00:43:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA25065 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:43:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from diana.sfsu.edu (root@diana.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.239]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15039 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:40:56 -0700 Received: from tuhuge.sfsu.edu (madmax-45.sfsu.edu [130.212.201.45]) by diana.sfsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA24728; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980820173901.0069615c@sfsu.edu> X-Sender: tuhuge@sfsu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:39:01 -0700 To: Bryan Fournier , freestyle@footbag.org From: Tuan Vu Subject: Re: [freestyle] Back in the days...shoes In-Reply-To: <63c5eb1c.35dc66d9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Also aside from this post about shoes I pose one question to you starved and >rabid shredders out there: What is a paratoxic? > >Thanks again shred heads. > > >~Bryan > A paratoxic is a trick invented in '93 at the Penn Invitational. It is a paradox mirage, but instead of ending on a toe, the planted foot ( the one that would have done a toe stall) does a symp. whirl and ends on the same side x-body. Tuan. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 21 04:06:24 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA01597 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:06:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f239.hotmail.com [207.82.251.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA15989 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:19:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 26202 invoked by uid 0); 21 Aug 1998 02:19:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19980821021919.26201.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.97.249.145 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:19:19 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.97.249.145] From: "joey robichaux" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] rakes Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:19:19 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org hey, i have heard many explanations of a rake but never seen one. i kind of get the concept. my main question is where is your toe (that's doing the rake) pointing when the bag first hits your toe. thanx ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 21 06:38:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA08093 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 06:38:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Paul Vorvick Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18006 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:32:19 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA19860 for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:32:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:32:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from prt-or5-16.ix.netcom.com(207.220.33.144) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019817; Fri Aug 21 01:32:06 1998 To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-Id: <1998821112218641@ix.netcom.com> Subject: [freestyle] "back in the days" shoes.... X-Mailer: Netcomplete v4.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey Bryan: I've been kicking since 1977. Although I was not a part of the *core* of the National Hacky Sack Association, I *was* involved in the scene - so for what it's worth, here's what I rememeber... In the late 70's people wore anything with a flat instep and outstep. There was virtually no freestyle except for the flying clipper, the flying inside kick, the flying outside kick and a few inside stalls, outside stalls, and spins. (These were dark days, indeed.) One shoe that was popular was a leather loafer with stitching around the top that made toe-stalls easier. Jack Schoolcraft, one of the earliest freestyle pioneers (if not the earliest) used running shoes with a pronounced "lip" on the instep. I could tell that it made any kind of instep stall easier. (By the way, Jack was the only person to hit a back-flip to lap-catch in competition. Saw it with my own eyes. Truly ugly.) Before the Kaepa was the Nike Avenger - ask Dennis Ross, Kenny "fat man" Shults, or Jon Lind to confirm - I may have them backwards... Another shoe I used (that was much like the super ashe) was the Nike "Wimbelton Court". Nike lost there contract w/Wimbelton and had to SHRED all of their stock rather than sell it. Boy was I bummed... At that same time, another shoe that worked for freestyle (it was canvas instead of the mesh "wimbleton") was the Nike "Miami Court." After that, the Rod Laver was changed. It had a "dished out" instep that was worthless for freestyle. I used to know the serial numbers for the OLD laver by heart and called all over the country trying to find the old version - because as far as we knew, Lavers were gone! (Obviously they came back.) It was about THAT time that I became aware of the super ashe. Although I went through at least 6 pair of super ashe, I will now stick w/lavers. BUT: 'stylers beware... I've seen several decent shoes come and go. Some are still mourning the loss of the Nike Avenger... Good sources for shoe info would be Johnny Stalberger and any member of the Footbag Hall of Fame. Kick On in the Free World, Paul V. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 21 06:38:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA08118 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 06:38:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA17971 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:30:05 -0700 Received: from ms569185 (user-38ld6fh.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.153.241]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA31708 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 02:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980820232732.006ae6f4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: aadegl@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:27:32 -0700 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Aaron de Glanville Subject: Re: [freestyle] Speed? Technique? Kiwi? In-Reply-To: References: <2efe58c8.35db7ebf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >> The 15 year-old wannabe Shults, >> Owen "Total Package" Parrish > >You must be an "all-round champ!!" >Really "big on the scene!!!" >-sorry, Kenny. > >JP You're not *really* picking on a 15-year-old, are you, Josh? "Total Package" is a badass nickname. Peace Aaron "Total Devastation" de Glanville From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Aug 22 07:07:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA29113 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:07:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from geocities.com (mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27617 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:23:37 -0700 Received: from mail.geocities.com (207-172-251-65.s2.as3.loc.erols.com [207.172.251.65]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA16790 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:23:13 -0700 From: Ospry X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.029) UNREG Reply-To: Ospry Organization: Home Priority: Normal Message-ID: <0766.980821@geocities.com> To: Freestyle Subject: [freestyle] Thanx. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello Freestyle, Well, I tried to thank everyone for their help in one letter, but the letter got flagged from the list. And for good reason. I'm not complaining, I'm just telling you why I didn't say "thanx" yet. Thank you all for your help, I am most appreciative. Well, almost all of you. (There was one [who shall go nameless] that couldn't get past petty name calling, but I'm sure (s)he's the exception to the rule) Anyway, I didn't get any shoes. Not yet, at least. I'm gonna wait 'till I actually have some extra money to spend. But I will use your collective response as a guide. In gratitude, Ospry mailto:o-o-o@geocities.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Aug 22 07:06:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA29092 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:06:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SuperOwen@aol.com Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id ILNSa02730 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34f0f0fa.35dd8996@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:52:05 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Swirl? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alright I'm goning to have to take a stab at this one......I think it's a swril but I'm not sure. What would this be? CLIP [DEL]>SAME IN/OUT [DEX]>TOE [DEL] That was my first time trying to write like that so throw me a bone. I tried to look in "THe List" for it but the closest thing I found was a Swirl and I just wanted to double check. -Total Package From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Aug 22 07:08:26 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA29133 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:08:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail.enter.net (root@mail.enter.net [204.170.70.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28456 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:20:16 -0700 Received: from reaelec (usrx2P-1-32.enter.net [204.170.81.161]) by mail.enter.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA01780 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:20:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ralph Allebach" To: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:22:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01bdcd5a$891ef4e0$d651aacc@reaelec> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm just looking for some freestylers who live in PA in the areas of Souderton, Sellersville, Perkasie, Quakertown, or somewhere not to far from there. I looked on the WFA website for clubs, and the closest one was about an hour and a half away from me. If there is anyone around these areas that would like to kick with me and a few of my friends let me know. Thanks. Jason From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Aug 22 07:10:30 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA29174 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:10:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: holyx@ix.netcom.com Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA31387 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:51:53 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA04433 for freestyle@footbag.org; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:51:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:51:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from prt-or4-15.ix.netcom.com(207.220.33.79) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004419; Sat Aug 22 01:51:21 1998 To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-Id: <1998822114144719169@ix.netcom.com> Subject: [freestyle] Shults at Large X-Mailer: Netcomplete v4.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org 'stylers: I was chewin' the fat with Kenny yesterday. He seems to be a bit fired up about freestyle. He told me he plans to show me a blistering-whirling-swirl at the Beaver Open this Labor Day. I will be careful not to kick with him on a full stomach, because I would surely hurl if he hit that move. (Unfortunately, I can't say the same for him. He has obviously not missed too many meals.) I'll let you know if I see anything of interest. Kick for the Bricks, Paul V. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Aug 22 15:22:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA18829 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 15:22:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: StinKyKiwi@aol.com Received: from StinKyKiwi@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id ITRDa11435; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42d0d4af.35dec30e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:09:33 EDT To: SuperOwen@aol.com, freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirl? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ? your notation is wrong owen.....swirls dont have notation...they look like >op swirl> thats just like tring to put a clipper into notation farther then >clip> take it easy yall Matt Avery 4th Dimension Interactive From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 24 07:03:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA27016 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:03:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SuperOwen@aol.com Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IOQOa17153 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48922b83.35def99d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:02:20 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] ????? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alright, my first attempt at asking this question failed miserallbly so here it goes again. What is the name of this trick. Set from a right clipper stall do to the dexcterity with your right foot from out to in and then end with a toe stall on your right foot. Everything is done with your right foot. All the left does is keep you on the ground. owen From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 24 07:03:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA27023 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:03:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from rcohn (i392.oro.net [204.119.229.92]) by Au.oro.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28294 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:20:37 -0700 From: "Disappearing Boy" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirl? Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:10:01 -0700 Message-ID: <01bdce11$39d26ea0$5ce577cc@rcohn.oro.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org owen, a swirl is when you set from a clipper and come up and around (either direction) with the clipper foot (still cross-body) and catch it in a clipper again. have a nice day. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 24 07:03:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA27028 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:03:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from smegma (user-38ldarv.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.171.127]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28726 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980822145747.007c7780@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:57:47 -0400 To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirl? In-Reply-To: <42d0d4af.35dec30e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 09:09 AM 8/22/98 EDT, StinKyKiwi@aol.com wrote: >? your notation is wrong owen.....swirls dont have notation...they look like >>op swirl> >thats just like tring to put a clipper into notation farther then >clip> Don't worry Total Package, what Mr. StinKyKiwi probably meant to say was "swirls are often abbreviated to just 'SWIRL [DEX]' as a part of a more complex move, a la Paraswirl." Your notation isn't wrong, though the final element lacks the "OP" or "SAME" keyword (in your example it doesn't affect the add total). Swirls do have notation of their own, of course, but as they are often added to the end (or at the beginning) of a move (and also for sake of clarity), the move list typically just reads "SWIRL [DEX]". What you have is basically a swirl bail to toe, which is effectively two adds, for those who still count them. Instead of bailing just to a toe, maybe try following the swirl dex with a mirage, osis, or double leg-over. Eh? Just don't do a *reverse* swirl into an osis, or Scott will see you in court. -- Ernest "Scratch" Crvich Durham, NC, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Have footbag, will shred From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 24 07:04:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA27055 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:04:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from 206.151.159.13 (dyn-1-11.sou.mind.net [206.151.159.13]) by TAO.sou.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA09019 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35DF2EE0.4FDA@tao.sou.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:49:36 -0800 From: "schrodt, forest" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] new sett Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi freestylers. I had a great time last weekend at the California Footbag Championships in Santa Rosa. Chris Ott and his families hospitality did not go unnoticed. Chris did a great job on running a very fun player oriented tournement. Toward the end of the tourney Iain McKechnie, Red 'Shred' Husted and myself got together for some serious schooling. We came up with a new sett. It is basically a front inside delay held in a crossbody position in front of you. (a right foot inside delay held to the left of the standing left leg) From this position you throw the bag behind you just like you were doing a spin set from a clipper. I have personally done a spinning osis from this set and have seen Red Shred do a mobi..., vort..., well you will just have to see him do it yourself next time you get to style with him or in the next shred video. Let me know if anyone else has been doing this set and what you have done with it. Forest Footbag, its not just a game its a lifestyle. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 24 07:04:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA27068 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:04:49 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from 206.151.159.13 (dyn-1-11.sou.mind.net [206.151.159.13]) by TAO.sou.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA08717 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35DF3052.46A3@tao.sou.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:55:46 -0800 From: "schrodt, forest" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] reverse blender/dino Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org A reverse blender is also called a dino. The dino has a very low set. Many people have trouble with it because they set too high. The foot doing the dexterity should be led by your heel. The key to getting the dexterity is to keep the knee on the leg doing the dexterity close to the standing leg and pointing strait down. After passing under the bag heel first, whip your foot around it and scoop it up into an osis. I have done and seen what you could call a paradox dino (though I don't know if it fits the "paradox" description) and a blurry dino. >Tony Glick said: I am starting to practice a reverse blender and I was >wondering if anyone had any tips for me. Mainly about the dexterity, >when it is done, is there a pause? That kind of stuff. I would really >appreciate if anyone could help. Good luck, Forest From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 24 07:05:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA27083 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:05:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mag1.magmacom.com (mag1.magmacom.com [206.191.0.210]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA04765 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drnt (port196.magma.ca [206.191.5.196]) by mag1.magmacom.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA16429 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005701bdcf14$3471a300$0a01010a@drnt.home.ca> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirl? Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:03:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org -----Original Message----- >What would this be? > >CLIP [DEL]>SAME IN/OUT [DEX]>TOE [DEL] I'll take a stab at it too. I'm just learning... I think it's a Paradox Mirage, but it should say OP TOE at the end. Cheers, Dave From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 24 15:58:44 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA18498 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:58:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: StinKyKiwi@aol.com Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA20215 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 04:41:42 -0700 Received: from StinKyKiwi@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id OZJSa22587 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9c091722.35e15141@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:40:48 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse blender/dino Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In response to what forest said. Ok Ok....Lets get things strait here. There is a blender, where your dex foot does an in to and out...and there is a DYNO, which does the dex oppositely. Out to in. A dyno is not a reverse blender. They are 2 completely different moves..a dyno and reverse blender, so get them strait. take it easy all Matt Avery From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 24 15:59:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA18527 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:59:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from [207.208.101.80] (d80.tcg1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.80]) by clavin.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA08836; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:35:10 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005701bdcf14$3471a300$0a01010a@drnt.home.ca> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:32:11 -0600 To: "Dave Reid" , From: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirl? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! At 12:03 AM -0400 8/24/98, Dave Reid wrote: >-----Original Message----- >>What would this be? >> >>CLIP [DEL]>SAME IN/OUT [DEX]>TOE [DEL] > >I'll take a stab at it too. Me too. I still say, forget the notation, it justs causes confusion and as you can see, about 10 extra messages trying to straighten out the confusion. I still skip all messages encrypted with notation because they are A) mostly noted wrong, and B) will eventually be explained by someone in long hand form. So skip the notation, and just spell it out long hand... remember to describe the set and set/height, the direction of the dex and any details you can think of. This is *much* easier to visualize and will result in a much lower count of "after the post explanations". See ya! Scott Davidson enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 24 16:16:48 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA19437 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:16:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from clmout3-int.prodigy.com (clmout3-ext.prodigy.com [207.115.58.24]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22603 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:12:53 -0700 Received: from mime4.prodigy.com (mime4.prodigy.com [192.168.254.43]) by clmout3-int.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08398; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:07:47 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime4.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id MAA12946; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:11:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199808241611.MAA12946@mime4.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: FDTD81D@prodigy.com ( JEREMY C KELLER) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:11:38, -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org, SuperOwen@aol.com Subject: [freestyle] Swirl????? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Freestylers, It seems to me that what owen is talking about dosen't have anything to do with a swirl. >What would this be? > >CLIP [DEL]>SAME IN/OUT [DEX]>TOE [DEL] I've been standing in my office looking like a fool in a suit trying to recreate (without a bag) what all of you are talking about. Since all my coworkers now think I'm crazy anyway I figure I'll put my 2cents in here and see what you think. Anyhow it seems this would be a reverse legover from a clipper set. Starting out with a clipper set then doing the dex like a paradox mirage then just catching the bag on the set/dex foot. as owen said: > Everything is >done with your right foot. All the left does is keep you on the ground. jeremy From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 25 05:55:28 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA25917 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 05:55:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mcfs.whowhere.com (mcfs.whowhere.com [209.1.236.44]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24213 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:15:42 -0700 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Mon Aug 24 11:15:03 1998 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:15:03 -0700 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: [freestyle] Good advice, bad manners... X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.234.116 Organization: E-Mail @ The Globe (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org --Just like to say there are probably a lot more people out here reading this that don't know the moves and their names than there are that do...So, why don't we be a bit more brotherly in the advice dished out rather than telling someone like you are teaching a dog. I know that is what I would prefer... ezian MU Footbag Fanatics(to be reinstated ASAP) *Anyone on the west coast sees Joe Marshall, tell him Ian says, "Hello." "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 25 17:28:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA25370 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:28:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from student.canberra.edu.au (student.canberra.edu.au [137.92.12.102]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00513 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:24:31 -0700 Received: from by student.canberra.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA08016; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:24:27 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:24:27 +1000 (EST) From: "Nathan 'Jungle Boogie' Bayliss" Reply-To: "Nathan 'Jungle Boogie' Bayliss" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Beginner troubles Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi there, my name is Nathan and I'm a footbagger from Canberra Australia. There isn't many people who play footbag around here, so I'm trying to learn from the videos on your site and reading those faqs and stuff. However, as I'm sure many of you will probably agree, it's bloody difficult to learn a move without actually seeing it, irl anyway. I was wondering if anyone had any tips concerning some basic clipper tricks, oasis and drifter for example, and also I'm wondering how to make my clipper delays more reliable and stable and all that jazz. I can't seem to get my ankle right, the little bastard keeps rolling off. The footbag, that is. Anyhow, any help would be greatly appreciated. And if there is anybody who plays footbag in canberra, give me a yell. Thanks a lot, nathan From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 25 17:29:56 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA25383 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:29:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from student.canberra.edu.au (student.canberra.edu.au [137.92.12.102]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00619 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:29:44 -0700 Received: from by student.canberra.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA09428; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:29:41 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:29:41 +1000 (EST) From: Nathan Bayliss To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] one other thing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Before I forget - Are there any vids from the 98 worlds, and if so (when) will you put them up? From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 25 17:30:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA25399 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:30:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from comnetix.com ([207.34.234.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA02625 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 06:33:08 -0700 Received: from cgocable.net (sunshine [207.34.234.44]) by comnetix.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00689 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E2BCED.6137A49C@cgocable.net> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:32:29 -0400 From: Gimpy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Good advice, bad manners... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org That's all well and good, Ian, this IS the freestlyle list. There are other lists for less skilled footbaggers, and/or newbies. If people are on the experienced list, they should be able to understand experienced explanations, and shouldn't be asking newbie questions. I'm not a pro or anything, but I try not to waste anyone's time. When people put questions on this list saying they can do all the basic delays and where should they go now(and similar stuff), it gets annoying. I mean, go nuts, newbies can read all they want. I was a newbie when I started on the list, but I didn't bother anyone until I had at least a bit of a clue about the sport. On the freestyle list people shouldn't have to dumb down the language they use to accommodate people who don't understand. If you read a message about a move you don't know, go look it up. But that's just my opinion. -Zacho Wacho Ian Dubman wrote: > --Just like to say there are probably a lot more people out here reading this that don't know the moves and their names than there are that do...So, why don't we be a bit more brotherly in the advice dished out rather than telling someone like you are teaching a dog. I know that is what I would prefer... > ezian > MU Footbag Fanatics(to be reinstated ASAP) > *Anyone on the west coast sees Joe Marshall, tell him Ian says, "Hello." > > "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 25 17:31:04 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA25420 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:31:04 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f18.hotmail.com [207.82.250.29]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA02934 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:12:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 28663 invoked by uid 0); 25 Aug 1998 14:11:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19980825141150.28662.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.187.123.173 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:11:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [129.187.123.173] From: "Andrew Feuerdrache" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Shults Siting Addendum Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:11:49 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ken "Earthquake" Shults "Although I saw some good stuff, apparently I missed his most notable combo; one of approximately 20 contacts that started with blistering-whirl to in- spinning osis and containing, among other things, mobius and scorpion tail." Blistering-whirl to in-spinning osis!!!! My heart beats faster, my palms are sweating, my eyes are wide. For all I care the man could weigh 300 pounds, he isn`t constrained by the normal bounds of size, the man is a god. Oh yes Steve, thanx for the photo, but I seem to remember it had a different caption originally... As a finnal note everyone don`t hold your breath to see a blistering whirling swirl even from the almighty Kenny, I`ve seen his off sided whirling swirl before, and well we shant speak of it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 25 17:31:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA25424 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:31:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: StinKyKiwi@aol.com Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04197; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:59:07 -0700 Received: from StinKyKiwi@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id OFVJa16535; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49eda011.35e2df19@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:58:15 EDT To: enlightener@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse blender/dino Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ohhhhhh....Im thinking of a reverse blender as setting with a clipper..proceeding to do a swirl..but not catch the bag with the same foot. You do a back spin and catch it on the other clipper side. Technicly..reverse means complete OPPOSITE. Not just a little different later Matt From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 25 17:52:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA26756 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:52:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05824 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:37:33 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA25849; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:36:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcptest16.atext.com(206.66.71.175) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025790; Tue Aug 25 12:36:21 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:39:00 -0700 To: Nathan Bayliss From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] one other thing Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 1:29 AM -0700 8/25/98, Nathan Bayliss wrote: >Before I forget - Are there any vids from the 98 worlds, and if so (when) >will you put them up? They'll be up soon. Watch this list. (Credit of course will go to the one and only Sean Wingert.) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 25 18:20:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA27667 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:20:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dhcptest16.atext.com(206.66.71.175) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000877; Tue Aug 25 13:16:49 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <005701bdcf14$3471a300$0a01010a@drnt.home.ca> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:19:17 -0700 To: Scott Davidson From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirl? Cc: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 8:32 AM -0700 8/24/98, Scott Davidson wrote: >>>CLIP [DEL]>SAME IN/OUT [DEX]>TOE [DEL] > >.. >I still say, forget the notation, it justs causes confusion Perhaps, Scott, your problem is just an irrational fear of symbols. How about if we use the exact same system, but just use full English phrases? The above reads: "Clipper set into same-side in-out dexterity into toe delay." Is that good enough for you? I certainly don't mind taking out the abbreviations. The point is that there are only so many ways your leg can move, and only so many sets and only two legs (the "same" leg as the previously-mentioned one, and the "opposite" one). So we should be consistent in how we talk about stuff. Using "right" and "left" is fine, but causes confusion because people don't always know what "right clipper" means (for example) or "right whirl". So you always have to have an agreed-upon system. You are just afraid to commit to this one for whatever reason. How about if we spell it out? Will that make you happy? OP = opposite IN = in-out OUT = out-in SAME = same-side TOE = toe set or delay CLIP = clipper set or delay DEX = dexterity > = into Blur is "clipper set into opposite in-out dexterity into opposite in-out dexterity into opposite toe delay." Is that easier than "clip > op in dex > op in dex > op toe"? Get over it already. Let's see you come up with a more efficient description of blur for someone who doesn't already know all the related moves. (Sure, "miraging paradox mirage from clipper set" could work, but is ambiguous and makes no sense to a newish player.) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 25 19:20:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA30431 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:20:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: ShReDStEiN@aol.com Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08171; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:07:27 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id XDHPa20769; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17680757.35e30af2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:05:21 EDT To: zacho@cgocable.net, owner-freestyle@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Good advice, bad manners... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 8/25/98 9:32:29 AM, zacho@cgocable.net wrote: <> Whose asking "newbie" questions... Scott Davidson and freestyler thats been kicking well over a decade suggested "we" just skip the notation unless specifically asked for because of all the confusion it causes with mistakes, etc. You're not a pro thats for sure..but... why would writing out the answer to someones question instead of spitting out a confusing line or two be wasting someones time.. This is a freestyle "discussion" list we're not going for one line impersonal answers.. we're discussing things... and if you consider that wasting time then... whatever but I'd like to say that most of the notation unless written by Steve G or a few other people is different with every email... a lot of people write their own interpretation or version of the notation for a move... so lets not get hung up on that and just write it out the long way.. and if someone should happen to want or wonder about the notation specifically then we'll give it to them... making sure that it is correct and that "we're not wasting anyone's time" ~Bryan Fournier (OOPS Footag Club-South. CA) From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 25 19:32:46 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA31342 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:32:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f119.hotmail.com [207.82.250.172]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08312 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:16:37 -0700 Received: (qmail 2378 invoked by uid 0); 25 Aug 1998 19:16:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19980825191605.2377.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.190.30 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:16:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.190.30] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Good advice, bad manners... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:16:05 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org To Footbaggers: I can do all the basic delays and I was wondering what I should learn next. I've heard a lot about a move called a blistering whirl and perhaps I should go for that one. By the way, what is the difference between a dyno and a reverse blender? And what is this move: CLIP > OP IN [DEX] > SAME IN [DEX] > HEAD [DEL] I saw this guy hit it once, and it was cool! Please answer soon. Newbies Rule! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 25 20:17:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA00505 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:17:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mcfs.whowhere.com (mcfs.whowhere.com [209.1.236.44]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA08883 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:14:13 -0700 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by theglobe.com; Tue Aug 25 13:13:31 1998 To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:13:31 -0700 From: "Ian Dubman" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: [freestyle] That advice statement... X-Sender-Ip: 128.206.234.127 Organization: E-Mail @ The Globe (http://www.globe-mail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Gimpy et al, I realize this IS the freestyle list, and in case I am mistaken, I beleive the questions asked were pertaining to freestyle--low level(add), but nonetheless freestyle. That isn't the point. If a person's question could be answered better elsewhere, then send that person elsewhere, politely. Though the two people's questions I had in mind when I wrote that first message were answered by "The Enlightener" and Steve on this list--once again, politely and quite concisely, I might add. So, my point--its about damn time... None of us should feel so much better than another so as to berate a fellow footbagger. Give the advice, or not. If it is a referral, some extremely useful information, or other info, great. But if you have to be an ass... Don't respond, it is that simple. That is all I have to say. ezian "Free web-based email available now at http://www.theglobe.com" From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 25 20:34:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA01453 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:34:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08926 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:22:54 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA09892; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:22:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcptest16.atext.com(206.66.71.175) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009796; Tue Aug 25 15:22:04 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980825191605.2377.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:24:28 -0700 To: "Daniel Kramer" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Good advice, bad manners... Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 12:16 PM -0700 8/25/98, Daniel Kramer wrote: >By the way, what is the difference >between a dyno and a reverse blender? They are actually two different moves (whether your question was serious or not). Dimitri Kavouras' version of Dyno (which I believe he named?) could be looked at as a symposium reverse blender, if such existed. The move was done in the air. Reverse blender just a butterfly-bail-to-osis. >And what is this move: CLIP > OP >IN [DEX] > SAME IN [DEX] > HEAD [DEL] I saw this guy hit it once, and it >was cool! Blurry head-bonk. Steve P.S. Newbies, don't be fooled. Dan's been around the block. :-) All 200 pounds of him. :-) From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Aug 25 21:28:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA03799 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:28:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from clmout3-int.prodigy.com (clmout3-ext.prodigy.com [207.115.58.24]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09424 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:27:09 -0700 Received: from mime4.prodigy.com (mime4.prodigy.com [192.168.254.43]) by clmout3-int.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA81588; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:22:05 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime4.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id RAB19166; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:23:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199808252123.RAB19166@mime4.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: FDTD81D@prodigy.com ( JEREMY C KELLER) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:23:44, -0500 To: freestyle@footbag.org, StinKyKiwi@aol.com Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse blender/dino Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt, I think that the move your describing... >setting with a >clipper..proceeding to do a swirl..but not catch the bag with the same foot. >You do a back spin and catch it on the other clipper side ...is a twirl. I'm always unsure of back spin and gyro and all that but it sounds like the move is a swirl bail to osis, which if I'm not mistaken is a twirl. Enlightener enlighten me if I'm wrong. jeremy From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 01:09:04 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA14069 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:09:04 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SethBek@aol.com Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10870 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:23:23 -0700 Received: from SethBek@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id OGEBa13456 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:22:27 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Moves Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org the tam-tam96.mov shows many moves with their explanations at the bottom(subtitles). if anyone is unclear on a move or something it has many to check out. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 01:09:04 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA14064 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:09:04 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.70.126.131]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10344 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:24:35 -0700 Received: from [207.208.101.183] (d183.tcg1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.183]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA25728; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:23:53 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199808252123.RAB19166@mime4.prodigy.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:13:58 -0600 To: FDTD81D@prodigy.com ( JEREMY C KELLER), freestyle@footbag.org, StinKyKiwi@aol.com From: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse blender/dino Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Jeremy and Freestylers! At 5:23 PM -0500 8/25/98, JEREMY C KELLER wrote: (BTW, get CRAZY Jeremy, skool in a suit! Way to go) >Matt, >I think that the move your describing... > >>setting with a >>clipper..proceeding to do a swirl..but not catch the bag with the >same foot. >>You do a back spin and catch it on the other clipper side > >...is a twirl. I'm always unsure of back spin and gyro and all that >but it sounds like the move is a swirl bail to osis, which if I'm not >mistaken is a twirl. Well, if you set off your clipper delay, below knee level and straight up, and take your setting leg and run it up the back of your plant leg (reverse direction swirl), going over it from front to back then "bailing" to an osis on your plant leg. Skool long, skool with honor! See ya! Scott. Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 04:31:28 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA23744 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 04:31:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Allman144@aol.com Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IPRBa07259 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:53:57 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <73a936e7.35e386d7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:53:57 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Re: Re: Good advice, bad manners... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 72 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 8/25/98 11:32:15 PM, you wrote: <> Gimpy, whats up? You said "This IS a freestyle list." You are right, but freestyle includes the beginner level, it includes all levels. Where on this list does it say that it is for experience footbaggers only? I don't see it. I don't care who you are, but you can ask whatever you want. If you are having trouble with toe delays, isn't this the place to ask? It is too bad that it annoys you Gimpy, but do you know how to fix that? Use the mouse and scroll down. You also said in your letter "On the freestyle list people shouldn't have to dumb down the language." What does that mean? Wouldn't saying "dumb down" itself be "dumbing down" the language so to speak? I write this list ever so often and I only do it when I feel I have a question or something needs to be said. I think something needs to be said. Please, this list is for everyone. No one deserves to get berated for what they ask. Sincerely, Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 04:31:42 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA23757 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 04:31:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13796 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:08:59 -0700 Received: from mindspring.com (user-38ld00v.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.128.31]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27261; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34025A05.3B5A9925@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:22:31 -0400 From: ryan Reply-To: masuga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Kramer CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Good advice, bad manners... References: <19980825191605.2377.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Dan... Behave yourself. I saw a guy hit a "Mushroom-Cloud Stall" once. It was cool. I can't wait to see you try that Blistering Whirl next weekend, newbie. rM From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 04:50:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA24257 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 04:50:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.101.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14058 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:40:21 -0700 Received: by www.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:38:50 +1200 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C1B7A78@www.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Consecutive Hein? Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:38:48 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Heya shredders and hein-makers About a year or 2 ago there was discussion here about consecutive trick records. If anyone knows what the consecutive record for paradox drifters, ripwalks, barflys, Osis, etc is, let me know ! Maybe we should create a list or summin Cheers From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 04:51:53 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA24703 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 04:51:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA12513; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:50:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcp147.atext.com(206.66.71.147) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma012486; Tue Aug 25 23:50:13 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <73a936e7.35e386d7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:52:15 -0700 To: Allman144@aol.com From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Good advice, bad manners... Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 8:53 PM -0700 8/25/98, Allman144@aol.com wrote: >Where on this >list does it say that it is for experience footbaggers only? Okay, everybody calm down now. :-) >>I don't care who you are, but you can ask whatever you want. Actually, that's not strictly true. When new members join the list, I send them a list policy message. One policy, which is the same for almost every e-mail list I am familiar with, is that basic questions that can be answered on the FAQ should not be asked to the list. I have rejected many a posting that violated that policy. It's not that we don't want newbies on the list -- on the contrary, one purpose of the list is to bring new players into the sport who don't have access to pro players to teach them first-hand, so they turn to the internet for a virtual community of teachers and friends in the sport. But it is definitely problematic, at the rate of new members joining (at least 10 a week), when new members ask the same questions over and over again. That's why I usually screen them out and redirect people to the on-line information I've prepared. But honestly, not every question is well answered on my website, and it's perfectly reasonable for people to post them here. And I don't have time to handle each request personally, so I sometimes forward them on to the list. However, if you haven't made at least a reasonable attempt to get your questions answered via the website before posting here, you're just being plum lazy and you should expect either a rejection from me, or annoyed outcries from the group. :-) For the record, though, this was originally created (by me) to facilitate discussions about freestyle footbag among experienced players. The main purpose is to have down-and-dirty technical discussions about the intricacies of freestyle. I warn new subscribers of this before they join. In the worst case, if people are afraid to post to the list for fear of seeming stupid, please feel free to just e-mail me the question directly. >If you are >having trouble with toe delays, isn't this the place to ask? Yes. And the secret is in the hop. Time the landing of the hop of your support leg with the catch on your stalling foot. Keep your toes pointed up, your foot straight in front of you. Bounce out of the hop and push up to set out. Switch feet, repeat. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 05:27:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA26152 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 05:27:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: JSBX@aol.com Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14426 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:21:55 -0700 Received: from JSBX@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id 9GEBa22588; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <74394ee9.35e39b1f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:20:30 EDT To: FDTD81D@prodigy.com, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse blender/dino Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org "it sounds like the move is a swirl bail to osis, which if I'm not mistaken is a twirl." -Jeremy. Sounds right. Hard to believe Kenny Shults has hit the blurry version of that. KeN "newbies can learn a lot in a short time" Somolinos From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 05:48:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA27088 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 05:48:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from rmit.EDU.AU (root@voga.rmit.edu.au [131.170.1.20]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14642 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:43:24 -0700 Received: from jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au (jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.EDU.AU [131.170.37.250]) by rmit.EDU.AU (8.8.8/8.7.3/ram4/ANTI-SPAM/ANTI-RELAY/VOGA) with ESMTP id PAA14511 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:42:59 +1000 (EST) Received: from APOLLO/SpoolDir by jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au (Mercury 1.21); 26 Aug 98 15:46:42 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by APOLLO (Mercury 1.21); 26 Aug 98 15:46:33 +1100 From: "Lynton Stephens" Organization: Civil & Geological Engineering RMIT To: freestyle@footbag.org Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:46:24 EST-10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [freestyle] Good advice, bad manners... Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <73a936e7.35e386d7@aol.com> Message-ID: <17D95D7697D@jacaranda.civgeo.rmit.edu.au> Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi shredders- >Where on this >list does it say that it is for experience footbaggers only? > It's not that we don't want newbies on the list -- on the contrary, > one purpose of the list is to bring new players into the sport who > don't have access to pro players to teach them first-hand, so they > turn to the internet for a virtual community of teachers and friends > in the sport. I couldn't agree more. All footbaggers have their roots in "hackysack", and we shouldn't to forget it. I don't know about everyone else, but the way I got into freestyle was simply to type the word "hackysack" into a search engine. The information on www.footbag.org has brought me to where I am today. I didn't fully appreciate this until Sunil Jani said to me that "without Steve Goldberg, we wouldn't even be meeting here right now" and that is a huge credit to the man and his website. I learnt lots of moves purely from reading the descriptions/notation on "The Socks Database" and then skooling them, usually in conjunction with hints from this very listserver. So, many moves I could do before I had seen them done, if you know what I mean, and I know for certain that others in Australia, New Zealand, Finland, etc have done the same. See, I live in Australia so I certainly don't have access to pros. What I'm saying is, this listserver is an important learning tool and if people feel uncomfortable asking questions then it will be detrimental to the development of the sport, in a small but significant way. If we want more people to have the same experiences, we have to put up with the questions from newbies and politely direct them somewhere rather than flame them (I know how that feels!) However, I also totally accept that: > it is definitely problematic ... > when new members ask the same questions over and over again. If you're after the NAME of a move then "The Socks Database" is the place to go, if it still exists under the links section of www.footbag.org. However, I think most players, esp. beginners, are more interested in HOW to do the moves, i.e. hints and tips on technique, and that information is harder to find. I think that would be a good idea for a website: purely an encyclopaedia of technical hints from experienced players on an array of moves. Although that would be time-consuming and difficult to compile. It is also be a good idea for beginning players to get the email address of an experienced player who they can email questions directly to which might be inappropriate/trivial/ambiguous on this listserver - sort of a "freestyle email mentoring" thing, thats what I did and still do (thanks Scott,Chard,Sunil) > if you haven't made at least a reasonable attempt to get your > questions answered via the website before posting here, you're just being > plum lazy and you should expect either a rejection from me, or annoyed > outcries from the group. :-) Exactly! Just some ideas. Enough from me, though. Shred onwards everyone. Lynton Stephens M.F.C. (Melbourne Footbag Club) From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 05:59:42 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA27601 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 05:59:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f197.hotmail.com [207.82.251.86]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA14745 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:59:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 21083 invoked by uid 0); 26 Aug 1998 05:58:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19980826055836.21082.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.47.115.123 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:58:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.47.115.123] From: "Mark Denton" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Paradox Drifter and Torque Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:58:36 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi freestylers, I have a problem I was hoping someone could help me with. For months now I have been struggling to hit Paradox drifter and Paradox Torque. Is it the set? Is it speed? I have hit both a couple of times I connot however figure out what I did differently to actually do it. Also to who ever was trashing "newbies", way to welcome people to our sport. This is one sport I have come across that newcomers are incouraged not mocked for not knowing terminology, or how to hit a certain move. You were there once too. Peace, Mark ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 06:07:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA28074 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:07:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14909 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:06:50 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA15677; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:06:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcp147.atext.com(206.66.71.147) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015670; Wed Aug 26 01:06:36 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980826055836.21082.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:09:07 -0700 To: "Mark Denton" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox Drifter and Torque Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 10:58 PM -0700 8/25/98, Mark Denton wrote: >For months >now I have been struggling to hit Paradox drifter and Paradox Torque. Is >it the set? Is it speed? It's actually counterintuitive, but you want a *lowish* set for both. The higher the set, the bigger the motion you need for the paradox dexterity, which makes it harder to keep your balance and takes longer. I set paradox drifter just about hip high -- *straight* up and down set, no side-to-side motion in the set -- and then *GO*. Speed is important, too, and the way you get that is to practice. Those hip-flexor muscles take time to build strength and speed. Also, for paradox drifter, be sure you never let go of your "crank". Makes things easier. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 17:59:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA07874 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:59:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21379 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:46:10 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #D3122) with SMTP id <0EYB00J015ELRU@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:47:09 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:47:09 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Beginner troubles In-reply-to: To: "Nathan 'Jungle Boogie' Bayliss" Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Nathan 'Jungle Boogie' Bayliss wrote: > > However, as I'm sure many of you will probably agree, it's bloody > difficult to learn a move without actually seeing it, irl anyway. I was > wondering if anyone had any tips concerning some basic clipper tricks, > oasis and drifter for example, and also I'm wondering how to make my > clipper delays more reliable and stable and all that jazz. I can't seem > to get my ankle right, the little bastard keeps rolling off. > > nathan > I don't know how well mail order works in Australia, but I would suggest getting "Tricks of the Trade" by Kenny (The MASTER) Shults. It's more insrtuctional than the other videos and fairly well detailed. If you haven't hit the site yet, www.footbag.org is the place to get sh*t. A suggestion on the clippers... drop the bag to your clipper (or just place it there) and stop. Don't try to set it just yet. See the position of your foot holding it and adjust it as necessary to make the angle of your foot as horizontal as possible. If flexibility is a problem then practicing walk-overs will help stretch you out. Good Luck, Brad From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 18:03:31 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA08321 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:03:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21604; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:58:02 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #D3122) with SMTP id <0EYB00D015YOKU@clem.mscd.edu>; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:59:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:59:12 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse blender/dino In-reply-to: To: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter Cc: JEREMY C KELLER , freestyle@footbag.org, StinKyKiwi@aol.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > >Matt, > >I think that the move your describing... > > > >>setting with a > >>clipper..proceeding to do a swirl..but not catch the bag with the > >same foot. > >>You do a back spin and catch it on the other clipper side > > > >...is a twirl. I'm always unsure of back spin and gyro and all that > >but it sounds like the move is a swirl bail to osis, which if I'm not > >mistaken is a twirl. I've been hitting this move regularly for about a month or so and am currently working on throwing in another dexterity to make it a "twirling-dyno" I suppose. Does anyone have a name for this move yet other than that? Brad From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 19:21:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA12159 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:21:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21832 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:07:31 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #D3122) with SMTP id <0EYB00O016EHXM@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:08:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:08:40 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Consecutive Hein? In-reply-to: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C1B7A78@www.callplus.co.nz> To: Adrian Dick Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Adrian Dick wrote: > About a year or 2 ago there was discussion here about consecutive trick > records. If anyone knows what the consecutive record for paradox > drifters, ripwalks, barflys, Osis, etc is, let me know ! Maybe we > should create a list or summin I may be mistaken but I think Daryl Genz has the record on ripwalks with 24. brad From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 19:21:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA12165 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:21:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22365 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:49:10 -0700 Received: from smegma (user-38ldafr.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.169.251]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28251 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980826144857.007c7ad0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:48:57 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox Drifter and Torque In-Reply-To: References: <19980826055836.21082.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:09 PM 8/25/98 -0700, Steve Goldberg wrote: >Also, for paradox drifter, be sure you never let go of your "crank". I couldn't have said that better myself. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 21:02:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA17056 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:02:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.70.126.131]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23502 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:48:39 -0700 Received: from [207.208.101.33] (d33.tcg1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.33]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA24142; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:48:26 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:44:37 -0600 To: KAPLAN BRADLEY M , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse blender/dino Cc: JEREMY C KELLER , freestyle@footbag.org, StinKyKiwi@aol.com Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! >> >...is a twirl. I'm always unsure of back spin and gyro and all that >> >but it sounds like the move is a swirl bail to osis, which if I'm not >> >mistaken is a twirl. > > I've been hitting this move regularly for about a month or so and am >currently working on throwing in another dexterity to make it a >"twirling-dyno" I suppose. Does anyone have a name for this move yet >other than that? I've been calling it "Twirling Swirl". Very good. Now try "Symposium Twirl" and "Paradox Twirl" If you are hitting Twirling Swirl, that is awesome. Very good move! See ya! Scott. enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 21:03:05 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA17077 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:03:05 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23455 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:46:20 -0700 Received: (from jpenney@localhost) by hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA26492; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:52:24 -0400 (EDT) From: They Call me Josh To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox Drifter and Torque In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980826144857.007c7ad0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Trick for paradox drifter- stay over the bag. Where have I heard that before? JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 21:40:23 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA18537 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:40:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from clavin.interaccess.com (clavin.interaccess.com [207.70.126.132]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24011; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:28:12 -0700 Received: from [207.208.101.33] (d33.tcg1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.33]) by clavin.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA07587; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:30:09 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <005701bdcf14$3471a300$0a01010a@drnt.home.ca> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:31:12 -0600 To: Steve Goldberg , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirl? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Steve and Freestylers! At 11:19 AM -0700 8/25/98, Steve Goldberg wrote: >At 8:32 AM -0700 8/24/98, Scott Davidson wrote: >>>>CLIP [DEL]>SAME IN/OUT [DEX]>TOE [DEL] >>I still say, forget the notation, it justs causes confusion >Get over it already. Let's see you come up with a >more efficient description of blur for someone who doesn't already know all >the related moves. Okay. Blur (example = Right side) - Long hand: Set from Left clipper (on right side of body) between knee to waist level (some people go higher) straight up (if not slightly toward the center of your body), as you are setting like you would for a "ripwalk", bring your right leg from left to right (miraging), plant the right leg. Now bringing your left leg from inside to out (right to left [mirage]) and catch on your right toe. Blur (example = Right side) - Short hand: Set from Left clipper (on right side) at waist level and straight up. Bring your right leg from inside to out and plant it. Immediately bring your left leg from inside to out and plant it. Catch a toe delay on your right toe. >Sure, "miraging paradox mirage from clipper set" could >work, but is ambiguous and makes no sense to a newish player.) I am not suggesting that we make "righteous, indignant and ambiguous" descriptions... quite the opposite. I am suggesting that we offer actual hints as to how to do the move, in terms of set height, leg direction, plant timing etc... Things that will help a player to learn a new move... not "clip > op in-out > op in-out > op toe" which to me requires a secret decoder ring and offers no insight into the complexity of the move... not to mention that it doesn't even start to describe all the swirl/twirl dexterities with any real understandable codes. Also, if anyone else is like this, I tend to read a "list of codes" then they get jumbled in my mind, and I try to use them a week later and they are even more jumbled, eventually giving way to my own "new" code that no one else understands but me, except I "think" I am using the "official" code. I am not a programmer. I learned HTML in an "algernon" moment and a month later, it was gone. Sure, I remember bits and pieces, but I would have to read a refresher book to be able to write it again. That is not practical. So, for all practical purposes... everyone should "try" to write out what they mean in Jobes Notation, but then also include a detailed description of the move, as best they can, in paragraph form. Remember to include all the subtle inuendos. Then everyone is happy, everyone will understand what was said, and we can save lots of "repair" messages about the move in question. That is MHO, Thanks, See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 23:18:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA23093 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:18:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from vcn.bc.ca (marigold@opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24527 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:59:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA23179; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:59:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Verhoef Anne To: KAPLAN BRADLEY M cc: Adrian Dick , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Consecutive Hein? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, KAPLAN BRADLEY M wrote: > On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Adrian Dick wrote: > > > About a year or 2 ago there was discussion here about consecutive trick > > records. If anyone knows what the consecutive record for paradox > > drifters, ripwalks, barflys, Osis, etc is, let me know ! Maybe we > > should create a list or summin > > I may be mistaken but I think Daryl Genz has the record on ripwalks > with 24. I'm not sure how up to date my knowledge of records are but here's what they were when I last checked: Barflies: 9 (Hu-mungis) Paradox Drifters: ? (It's in the 5-10 region by Hu-mungis) Ripwalks: 23 (Genzu) Blenders: 7 (Rippin) Blurry Whirls: 3 (Torch, and probably by a few others as well) Paradox Whirls: 17 (Hu-mungis) Drifters: 34 (Hu-mungis) Whirls: 39 (Regulator) Scott D., have you hit 50 yet??? Paradox Symposium Whirls: 3 (Rippin) Paradox Blenders: 3 (Hu-mungis) Osis: 84 (Kosmo) It's gotta be higher than that by now Double ATW: 18 (Rippin) That's all I know for now. I'm sure someone on this list can think of more. See ya, Adrian -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Aug 26 23:18:42 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA23116 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:18:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: JSBX@aol.com Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25362 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:39:01 -0700 Received: from JSBX@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id OCQDa19316 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <99615ba2.35e48e4b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:38:01 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] swirls, twirls, and notation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone. I think that Job's notation is a good system that allows for a quick and fairly accurate description of a freestyle move, but isn't as good as a long hand description of the nuances of each move. When I first read about drifter, the notation, or even "mirage between two opp side clippers," didn't help too much. How was I supposed to know that the setting leg is immediately planted and executes a little sideways hop? Double leg over was similarly bad, Job's notation didn't clue me in that the setting leg is immediately planted and executes the hop while the first dex is incidentally executed. When somebody is asking for help on a move, or describing a move, Job's notation can be helpful, but should be a accompanied by a little long hand description. This way, bad notation can be better understood, or bad explanations can be interpreted more easily. KeN SoMoLiNoS NYFA From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 00:53:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA27785 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:53:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25801; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:18:44 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA02376; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:18:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcptest95.atext.com(206.66.71.254) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma002358; Wed Aug 26 18:17:49 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <005701bdcf14$3471a300$0a01010a@drnt.home.ca> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:17:02 -0700 To: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Swirl? Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 4:31 PM -0600 8/26/98, Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter wrote: >Okay. >Blur (example = Right side) - Long hand: >Set from Left clipper (on right side of body) between knee to waist level >(some people go higher) straight up (if not slightly toward the center of >your body), as you are setting like you would for a "ripwalk", bring your >right leg from left to right (miraging), plant the right leg. Now bringing >your left leg from inside to out (right to left [mirage]) and catch on your >right toe. You're confusing *teaching* a move from *discussing* a move. The idea behind the shorthand system (clip > blah > blah) is to make it easier to discuss a move or a set of moves. I never said there wasn't room for teaching how to do a move -- you certainly wouldn't use the notation to teach a move. Hell, I wrote most of the descriptions at http://www.footbag.org/moves/list/4 (for example). >I am suggesting that we offer actual >hints as to how to do the move, in terms of set height, leg direction, >plant timing etc... Things that will help a player to learn a new move... That's great, but not everyone wants to pour through two paragraphs of (drivel) explanation to understand what move you're referring to. Much of the time, we're just talking about what the name for a particular move is. Someone describes it in terms of the notation (i.e., clip > op out dex > op in dex > op toe) and wants to know if it's paradox or not. Who cares about the height of the set? If you want to instruct a move, you should always describe it in English. >I tend to read a "list of codes" then >they get jumbled in my mind, and I try to use them a week later Scott, like it or not, many of us will continue to use the secret codes; I find it amazing that you can remember 1000 different freestyle tricks but you can't learn the six friggin' words we use to describe the components in e-mail. You're just afraid of symbols. Admit it. :-) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 00:54:50 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA27798 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:54:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26415 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:11:11 -0700 Received: from sparky.fibre.com (sparky.fibre.com [206.189.10.11]) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with ESMTP id RAA03605 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zzz1wbmail1.fibre.com (zzz1wbmail1.fibre.com [10.1.4.31]) by sparky.fibre.com with ESMTP id RAA12409 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by zzz1wbmail1.fibre.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:11:40 -0700 Message-ID: <5FCA68163A73D1119D3600A0C98D7DE3012993C4@zzz1wbmail1.fibre.com> From: Noah Shipley To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: FW: [freestyle] Swirl? Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:11:36 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org 'nuff said! (clip > op in-out > op in-out > op toe ) is almost useless for the newbee attempting to even understand a blur. Scott's detailed(but not too long) description is descriptive, helpful, and most importantly helps the new player visualize the move. And anyways, I agree with Aaron's assessment that a blur does not deserve a paradox component but deserves the extra add because the dexteritys are non-complimentary. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 01:19:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA28744 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:19:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27076 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:05:09 -0700 Received: from smegma (user-38ld94c.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.164.140]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA03707 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980826210453.007c7100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:04:53 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] swirls, twirls, and notation In-Reply-To: <99615ba2.35e48e4b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 06:38 PM 8/26/98 EDT, JSBX@aol.com wrote: >I think that Job's notation is a good system that allows for a quick and >fairly accurate description of a freestyle move, but isn't as good as a long >hand description of the nuances of each move. When I first read about IMHO, the notation and the longhand are for two different sets of people, though someone may have already made this point. Newcomers to freestyle won't have any use of the notation, as they won't have a large enough vocabulary of moves and move elements to understand it (not counting the syntax, which even some advanced freestylers don't want to enlighten themselves by learning, *nudge* *nudge*). So longhand is what people need until they understand the basics. After a time, the notation is sufficient to figure out how to do a move. I use the notation a lot...somebody here will say "drat, that bogus fellow hit a Paradominatrix Megasqueegie into a Sliphoserum Gluteusizer!" I'll then say to myself, "Gee, I wonder if *I* could hit a Sliphoserum Gluteusizer?!" So I just look at the notation in the online Goldbergtorium, and all is clear. The notation shows each piece of the puzzle very concisely and accurately. I thus realize that I will have to continue working on just a plain old Gluteusizer before I can have a chance at the Sliphoserum version. There's a good reason the move list (recently revamped, I noticed, very nice!) has both descriptions. For discussion on this listserv, I don't think people should feel obliged to use the notation, especially for 1-3 add moves that beginners would want to read about. -- Ernest "Scratch" Crvich Durham, NC, USA http://www.mindspring.com/~ecrvich Have footbag, will shred From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 02:28:33 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA31866 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:28:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.101.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27168 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:21:56 -0700 Received: by www.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:20:12 +1200 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C1B7AB6@www.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] Swirl? Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:20:12 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I agree to an extent. The simple tricks on the online list have both forms of description. But when they reach a certain degree of difficulty, it is assumed that the freestyler understands the more specific notation - Jobs notation. Having learnt a lot of moves off the Internet myself, I gotta say that the combination of Jobs notation and tips on technique are the two most important aspects of self-training. Jobs notation on its own is fine if you want to know what an existing move is named. If you want to hit a new move, it always helps to have a few pointers too "quick spin, low set" etc. Before Jobs notation was around, people were describing "left foot set, circle bag with right leg, catch on your toe".. gee, that narrows it down, time to reverse the notation and learn the trick on my good side... Re: Blur, It doesn't make a lot of sense to me either, especially seeing Blur and Paradox blur are both paradox, the only difference being the leg that does the paradox dexterity. -----Original Message----- From: Noah Shipley [SMTP:Noah.Shipley@fibre.com] Sent: Thursday, 27 August 1998 12:12 To: 'freestyle@footbag.org' Subject: FW: [freestyle] Swirl? 'nuff said! (clip > op in-out > op in-out > op toe ) is almost useless for the newbee attempting to even understand a blur. Scott's detailed(but not too long) description is descriptive, helpful, and most importantly helps the new player visualize the move. And anyways, I agree with Aaron's assessment that a blur does not deserve a paradox component but deserves the extra add because the dexteritys are non-complimentary. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 03:33:23 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA02611 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 03:33:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Nageylum@aol.com Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28520; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:04:01 -0700 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id OHVQa11469; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:03:03 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <87cfdb8e.35e4cc69@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:03:03 EDT To: enlightener@footbag.org, kaplanb@mscd.edu, freestyle@footbag.org Cc: FDTD81D@prodigy.com, StinKyKiwi@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse blender/dino Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 8/26/98 5:10:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, enlightener@footbag.org writes: > I've been calling it "Twirling Swirl". Very good. Now try "Symposium > Twirl" and "Paradox Twirl" after talking to one of my friends that saw you do a symposium twirl not to long ago, i decided i would try, and the key word being "try" it took me about a week befor i could get it to even touch the bag with the delaying foot. and scott for being able to land that move i say "doesn't it hurt your leg?!?!" but seriously good work, now as for the pdx twirl, i'm just scared to see it, the future is now for footbag freestyle. Josh Childs From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 05:02:02 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA06668 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 05:02:02 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Bryan Fournier Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29694 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:58:25 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id ODVFa04231 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <923e57d9.35e4e750@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:57:51 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Move name Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Stylers... consider me a chump for not knowing this but is there a name for this move I've been hitting... its a clipper set eggbeater and I've seen practically every BAPer do it in a run.... I purposely didn't use "Job's notation" because I don't want to start anything....I believe that to solve this argument...we should end it with this----> those who are fond of symbols and notation go right ahead and use the notation for any moves mentioned.. those who are not don't complain but just continue writing out the move longhand..... and never the 'tween shall meet.. basically I'm saying don't argue over ridiculous stuff like notation... let people use what they want to use just try to make sure your notation is correct so that if longhand people one day want to use it they will have a good example to do it by...man this makes me think positively on the great paradox debate... atleast then I got the brain synapse going and I learned a thing or two about moves, etc. .... God bless ~BRyan From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 05:10:03 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA06708 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 05:10:03 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.101.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29747 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:07:17 -0700 Received: by www.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:05:44 +1200 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C1B7AE9@www.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: Bryan Fournier , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Move name Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:05:43 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Uh, which clipper are you seeting it from? The one which does the first dexterity? Or the one which does the second dexterity? PS. Jobs notation would have clarified this point ;) -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Fournier [SMTP:ShReDStEiN@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 27 August 1998 16:58 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Move name Stylers... consider me a chump for not knowing this but is there a name for this move I've been hitting... its a clipper set eggbeater and I've seen practically every BAPer do it in a run.... I purposely didn't use "Job's notation" because I don't want to start anything....I believe that to solve this argument...we should end it with this----> those who are fond of symbols and notation go right ahead and use the notation for any moves mentioned.. those who are not don't complain but just continue writing out the move longhand..... and never the 'tween shall meet.. basically I'm saying don't argue over ridiculous stuff like notation... let people use what they want to use just try to make sure your notation is correct so that if longhand people one day want to use it they will have a good example to do it by...man this makes me think positively on the great paradox debate... atleast then I got the brain synapse going and I learned a thing or two about moves, etc. .... God bless ~BRyan From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 05:34:22 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA08062 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 05:34:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from firewall.telecom.co.nz (ingate.telecom.co.nz [146.171.254.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA30063 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:28:26 -0700 Received: by firewall.telecom.co.nz (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id RAA19636; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:28:54 +1200 Received: from ish.telecom.co.nz(146.171.1.1) by firewall.telecom.co.nz via smap (3.1) id xma017873; Thu, 27 Aug 98 17:15:23 +1200 Received: from telecom.co.nz ([146.171.53.205]) by ish.telecom.co.nz (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA4618 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:11:30 +1200 Received: from DOM#u#AKGATE-Message_Server by telecom.co.nz with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:14:27 +1200 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:23:24 +1200 From: Stuart MacFerson To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Notation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi all IMHO having a notation that can *uniquely* define a move is very important. I find when people start describing moves in long hand (especially complex ones) it gets very confusing, mainly because people have different methods of explaining things. For me reading a notation makes it a lot easier, maybe not for newbies, but it should be something everyone learns. This way we can speak in a common language and avoid confusion. The current usage of Jobs notation is not ideal because a set of strict guidelines has not been established. People start adding their own notation and it tends to become a hybrid, long hand, short hand notation which sometimes does not uniquely define a move. I think it would be good to define a notation and distribute the guidelines for using it. This is restrictive but it eliminates any arguing! Stu From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 16:33:24 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA05259 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:33:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SuperOwen@aol.com Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IGRFa04141 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35e0f229.35e53995@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:48:51 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Notation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I wanna put my two cents in on this debate. Frankly I find notation to be a lot more helpful than longhand, once I finally understood it that is. I find that reading notation about a new trick, for me at least, breaks it down and clarifies it a lot better. Well, that's my two cents. Total Package From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 16:33:24 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA05263 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:33:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SethBek@aol.com Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02327 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 07:42:43 -0700 Received: from SethBek@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id OKKCa16535 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4df2514f.35e57019@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:41:28 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Dragonfly Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org lets say you have this: you bring your right leg over (from inside to out) the footbag then hit it an inside kick with your left foot - A dragonfly kick. my question is, if you brought your right leg over OUT to IN and ended up in a flying clipper - what would tht move be called? From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 17:29:42 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA07754 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:29:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.70.126.131]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04180 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:07:51 -0700 Received: from [207.208.101.150] (d150.tcg1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.150]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA19814; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:07:41 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4df2514f.35e57019@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:57:52 -0600 To: SethBek@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dragonfly Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Seth! >lets say you have this: >you bring your right leg over (from inside to out) the footbag then hit it an >inside kick with your left foot - A dragonfly kick. my question is, >if you brought your right leg over OUT to IN and ended up in a flying clipper >- what would tht move be called? Flying Butterfly (3 adds) Also, try spinning flying butterfly (4 adds), ducking flying butterfly and gyro flying butterfly. Be sure to learn it on both sides! See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 17:30:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA07771 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:30:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04352 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:21:10 -0700 Received: from sparky.fibre.com (sparky.fibre.com [206.189.10.11]) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with ESMTP id KAA11009 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zzz1wbmail1.fibre.com (zzz1wbmail1.fibre.com [10.1.4.31]) by sparky.fibre.com with ESMTP id KAA17648 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by zzz1wbmail1.fibre.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:30:38 -0700 Message-ID: <5FCA68163A73D1119D3600A0C98D7DE3012993C6@zzz1wbmail1.fibre.com> From: Noah Shipley To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] Dragonfly Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:30:37 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org That t'would be a standard butterfly kick -----Original Message----- From: SethBek@aol.com [SMTP:SethBek@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 7:41 AM To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Dragonfly lets say you have this: you bring your right leg over (from inside to out) the footbag then hit it an inside kick with your left foot - A dragonfly kick. my question is, if you brought your right leg over OUT to IN and ended up in a flying clipper - what would tht move be called? From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 21:14:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA19517 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:14:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from rcohn (i404.oro.net [204.119.229.104]) by Au.oro.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA29852 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:10:52 -0700 From: "Reuben Cohn" To: Subject: Re: [freestyle] Notation Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:59:16 -0700 Message-ID: <01bdd1fd$8d9c3e40$68e577cc@rcohn.oro.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org here's my two cents 2¢ (penny > op in-dex > op penny) -Disappearing Boy From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 22:02:18 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA21823 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:02:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from sun.tir.com (sun.tir.com [205.138.41.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07319 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:53:12 -0700 Received: from an149.tir.com (an149.tir.com [205.218.86.87]) by sun.tir.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA19558 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by an149.tir.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BDD1E3.E01B2A60@an149.tir.com>; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:55:28 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDD1E3.E01B2A60@an149.tir.com> From: Jay Moldenhauer To: "freestyle@footbag.org" Subject: RE: [freestyle] Consecutive Hein? Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:49:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Paradox Drifters, I believe that was 9 (?) by Hu-Mungis. Drifters: 34 (Hu-mungis) shared w/ Josh Casey Osis: 84 (Kosmo) It's gotta be higher than that by now-------186 by Kosmo Just found out talking to HuMungis. Jayman the old man for you younger whipper snappers Barflies: 9 (Hu-mungis) Paradox Drifters: ? (It's in the 5-10 region by Hu-mungis) Ripwalks: 23 (Genzu) Blenders: 7 (Rippin) Blurry Whirls: 3 (Torch, and probably by a few others as well) Paradox Whirls: 17 (Hu-mungis) Drifters: 34 (Hu-mungis) Whirls: 39 (Regulator) Scott D., have you hit 50 yet??? Paradox Symposium Whirls: 3 (Rippin) Paradox Blenders: 3 (Hu-mungis) Osis: 84 (Kosmo) It's gotta be higher than that by now186 kosmo Double ATW: 18 (Rippin) That's all I know for now. I'm sure someone on this list can think of more. See ya, Adrian -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 22:03:31 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA21847 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:03:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: (from jpenney@localhost) by hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id SAA20900; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:03:07 -0400 (EDT) From: They Call me Josh To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Notation In-Reply-To: <01bdd1fd$8d9c3e40$68e577cc@rcohn.oro.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id VAA21373 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Reuben Cohn wrote: > here's my two cents > > 2¢ (penny > op in-dex > op penny) I love this guy! JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Aug 27 23:45:26 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA26537 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:45:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: bugpowdr@MIT.EDU Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA08096 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:12:24 -0700 Received: from OGRE.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA06163; Thu, 27 Aug 98 19:12:24 EDT Received: by ogre.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA02684; Thu, 27 Aug 98 19:12:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9808272312.AA02684@ogre.MIT.EDU> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Notation In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:11:36 PDT." <5FCA68163A73D1119D3600A0C98D7DE3012993C4@zzz1wbmail1.fibre.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:12:16 EDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I think the condensed notation is incredibly helpful for visualing the move. A paragraph long description is confusing and I forget the beginning of the move by the time I reach the end. I've never really had any problems with picturing the moves with the compressed system. It doesn't teach you HOW to do the moves, just what they are. It's very clean, clear and unambiguous. I'd say its an optimal system. I HATE trying to read through a long description to picture a move. They are only good for teaching. Andrew From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 28 00:58:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA29888 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:58:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SuperOwen@aol.com Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id IOTTa11561 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:07:07 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <227b1694.35e5f4ab@aol.com>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:07:07 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Paradox Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Alright, I'm confused on what Paradox is. It seems to me that an Around The World would just be a Paradox Mirage. But, I know that's wrong. So some explanation would be helpful. Owen "Total Package" Parrish P.S. I'm sorry to some of you that may be upset because a newcomer asking an elementary question on this list. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 28 01:05:26 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA30401 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:05:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA05169; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:01:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcptest95.atext.com(206.66.71.254) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma005132; Thu Aug 27 20:00:43 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <227b1694.35e5f4ab@aol.com>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:00:31 -0700 To: SuperOwen@aol.com From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox Cc: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 8:07 PM -0400 8/27/98, SuperOwen@aol.com wrote: >Alright, I'm confused on what Paradox is. It seems to me that an Around The >World would just be a Paradox Mirage. But, I know that's wrong. So some >explanation would be helpful. See http://www.footbag.org/movelist/ (specifically, http://www.footbag.org/movelist/paradox-tutorial.html ) Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 28 02:14:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA00928 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:14:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: JSBX@aol.com Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09149 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:29:57 -0700 Received: from JSBX@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id OTILa19451 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:29:18 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:29:18 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] fairybeater Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey guys, Today while I was kicking, I did this move (oh no! Notation!) toe>same out>op out>op clip. Pretty much a legbeater set from the same toe that does the first dex. I'm calling it fairybeater now, but has anyone hit this before, and does it have another name? I just get a kick out of saying i've hit a fairybeater. Happy kicking, KeN somolinos NYFA From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 28 02:29:22 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id CAA01451 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:29:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail.colba.net (root@mail.colba.net [207.107.221.4]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09615 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:18:25 -0700 Received: from colba.net (bhd2-s46.mtl.colba.net [207.107.152.106]) by mail.colba.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24610 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:19:37 -0400 Message-ID: <35E6135A.33363C9@colba.net> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:18:02 -0400 From: Danny X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [fr] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailing footbag Subject: [freestyle] Name of a move Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi everybody, I've been practicing a move for about 3 weeks and I don't even know the name. So if someone can help me with the name of that move, I'll appreciate. CLIP > OP OUT [DEX] > (BACK) SPIN [BOD] > SAME CLIP [XBD] [DEL] It's like a blender, but you do your dex out to in insted of in to out. Dan. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 28 04:43:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA07943 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:43:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11195 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:35:42 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA10079; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:34:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx8-50.ix.netcom.com(207.94.123.114) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma010055; Thu Aug 27 23:34:00 1998 Message-ID: <35E4E316.4C88@utdallas.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:39:50 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny CC: mailing footbag Subject: Re: [freestyle] Name of a move References: <35E6135A.33363C9@colba.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Danny wrote: > CLIP > OP OUT [DEX] > (BACK) SPIN [BOD] > SAME CLIP [XBD] [DEL] > > It's like a blender, but you do your dex out to in insted of in to out. > > Dan. If I'm not mistaken, this is a same side corkscrew or dyno depending on what part of your leg does the dex. If you do the dex with the lower part of your leg - like a reverse whirl - then it is called a dyno. If you do the dex with the thigh - like a same side butterfly - then it is a same side corkscrew. Later. -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 28 04:43:04 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA07931 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:43:04 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Bryan Fournier Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id OVGVa20922; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:03:14 EDT To: SuperOwen@aol.com, owner-freestyle@footbag.org, freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Paradox Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 8/27/98 5:02:17 PM, SuperOwen@aol.com wrote: <> YOU'VE GOT IT TOTALLY WRONG OWEN... we cherrish out newcomer stylers more than anything... they make the sport what it is.. also keep in mind that all the people that will reply to your Paradox quesiton were in your position not long ago... we love you man... keep stylin' God bless ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 28 04:43:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA07937 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:43:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10005 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:57:00 -0700 Received: from smegma (user-38ld9me.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.166.206]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA25077 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980827225648.007d4ac0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: ecrvich@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:56:48 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Ernest Crvich Subject: Re: [freestyle] fairybeater In-Reply-To: > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >Today while I was kicking, I did this move (oh no! Notation!) toe>same out>op >out>op clip. That would be Fairy Butterfly. Next try a Fairy Rump Stall. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 28 04:43:32 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA07950 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:43:32 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Bryan Fournier Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10553; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:59:07 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.3) id EROUa02307; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:58:24 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <1bb99a10.35e62ae0@aol.com>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:58:24 EDT To: bugpowdr@MIT.EDU, owner-freestyle@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Notation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 8/27/98 3:48:15 PM, bugpowdr@MIT.EDU wrote: <> Thas just the topps man!!! "To each his own...my friend" ~BRyan From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 28 06:21:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id GAA12420 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:21:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f15.hotmail.com [207.82.250.26]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA11920 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:20:11 -0700 Received: (qmail 29803 invoked by uid 0); 28 Aug 1998 06:19:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19980828061940.29802.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.47.115.111 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:19:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.47.115.111] From: "Mark Denton" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] realism? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:19:39 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, I just had a look at the new moves list(looking good steve) and I was wondering how realistic some of the moves on there are. I mean has anyone ever hit a nemisis. A while back I heard a guy named Jeremy Nevin did but wass recently told that it's not true. I guess my real questioon is how many of the moves on the list are theoretical(if any) and how many have actually been done. Thanks Mark ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 28 15:45:43 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA05046 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:45:43 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA14806 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 05:49:27 -0700 Message-ID: <19980828124857.20663.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.188.195.23] by send1b; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 05:48:57 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 05:48:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Dhanraj Subject: Re: [freestyle] Dragonfly To: freestyle@footbag.org, SethBek@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > if you brought your right leg over OUT to IN and ended up in a flying clipper > - what would tht move be called? That would be a butterfly kick. Try alternating these.... they can be fun. Chuckles _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 28 17:26:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA09770 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:26:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17587 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:15:45 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #D3122) with SMTP id <0EYE00101TC93M@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:16:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:16:57 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move name In-reply-to: <923e57d9.35e4e750@aol.com> To: Bryan Fournier Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Bryan Fournier wrote: > Stylers... consider me a chump for not knowing this but is there a name for > this move I've been hitting... its a clipper set eggbeater and I've seen If you're doing a right clipper set and the first dexterity is also with the right, then followed with the left, I believe it's a paradox eggbeater. BRAD From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Aug 28 17:39:57 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA10345 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:39:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17718; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:28:43 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #D3122) with SMTP id <0EYE00301TXVO9@clem.mscd.edu>; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:29:55 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse blender/dino In-reply-to: To: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter Cc: freestyle@footbag.org, JEREMY C KELLER , StinKyKiwi@aol.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > > I've been calling it "Twirling Swirl". Very good. Now try "Symposium > Twirl" and "Paradox Twirl" > In whichever notation you prefer could you please explain how the symposium and paradox twirls would go. For some reason I can't get the picture in my head. Thanks, Brad From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 31 03:24:44 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA12053 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:24:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from inetsrv.callplus.co.nz (mail.callplus.co.nz [202.27.101.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12349 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:32:18 -0700 Received: by www.callplus.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:30:38 +1200 Message-ID: <11FA7FAAAED1D01194C700203573F13C1BE304@www.callplus.co.nz> From: Adrian Dick To: Mark Denton , freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] realism? Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:30:36 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Heya, Well, From memory, Nemesis was the only one on there that has never been hit. And seeing as it's the ultimate trick, and freestylers always talk about it, it can't help to know what it is ! PS. If anyone out there hits Nemesis, I'm gonna hunt you down and kill you. Cheers ! -----Original Message----- From: Mark Denton [SMTP:markdenton@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 28 August 1998 18:20 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] realism? Hi, I just had a look at the new moves list(looking good steve) and I was wondering how realistic some of the moves on there are. I mean has anyone ever hit a nemisis. A while back I heard a guy named Jeremy Nevin did but wass recently told that it's not true. I guess my real questioon is how many of the moves on the list are theoretical(if any) and how many have actually been done. Thanks Mark ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 31 16:06:08 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA03639 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:06:08 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail.enter.net (root@mail.enter.net [204.170.70.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23041 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:57:56 -0700 Received: from reaelec (usrx2P-1-72.enter.net [204.170.81.201]) by mail.enter.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA19892 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:57:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ralph Allebach" To: Subject: [freestyle] scorpian's tail notation Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:58:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bdd4f8$50f73c80$c151aacc@reaelec> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi, I keep hearing about this trick called the scorpian's tail. Can someone please post its notation. Thanks ~Jason From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 31 16:38:27 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA12178 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:38:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23317 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:19:12 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA21283; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:15:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcptest4.atext.com(206.66.71.163) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021222; Mon Aug 31 11:14:48 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601bdd4f8$50f73c80$c151aacc@reaelec> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:14:28 -0700 To: "Ralph Allebach" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] scorpian's tail notation Cc: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:58 AM -0400 8/31/98, Ralph Allebach wrote: >I keep hearing about this trick called the scorpian's tail. Can someone >please post its notation. I just added it to the move list. FYI, you can search for key words (i.e., "scorpion" would find it). http://www.footbag.org/movelist --- Gyro Barfly ("Scorpion's Tail") 5 adds [bod] [dex] [dex] [xbd] [del] CLIP > (BACK) SPIN [BOD] > SAME OUT [DEX] > SAME OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD] [DEL] A spinning (gyro) barfly. --- Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 31 19:25:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA22354 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:25:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23912 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:22:38 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #D3122) with SMTP id <0EYK00G01CUL2Q@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:06:21 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: [freestyle] move list To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I was checking out the move list and noticed a couple of things that I hope someone might clear up. A) What's the difference between a Miraging Eggbeater and a Bedwetter? The list describes them as being the same thing, I think, and yet the Mir-Egg is worth 4 adds and the Bedwet is worth 5 adds. B) How many adds is a Blurry Whirl? List says 4, I thought 5. thanks, BRAD From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 31 19:26:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA22361 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:26:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25020 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:51:08 -0700 Received: (from jpenney@localhost) by hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA18892; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:57:08 -0400 (EDT) From: They Call me Josh To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] scorpian's tail notation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I always thought that it was a full-spinning down-double, whereas gyro implies the set leg doing the dexterity. JP > --- > > Gyro Barfly ("Scorpion's Tail") > > 5 adds [bod] [dex] [dex] [xbd] [del] > > CLIP > (BACK) SPIN [BOD] > SAME OUT [DEX] > SAME OUT [DEX] > OP CLIP [XBD] > [DEL] > > A spinning (gyro) barfly. > > --- > > Steve > From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 31 20:46:59 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA15267 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:46:59 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25663 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:45:12 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA00649; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:44:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcp136.atext.com(206.66.71.136) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000579; Mon Aug 31 14:44:50 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:44:36 -0700 To: KAPLAN BRADLEY M From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] move list Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:06 AM -0600 8/31/98, KAPLAN BRADLEY M wrote: > I was checking out the move list and noticed a couple of things that >I hope someone might clear up. > A) What's the difference between a Miraging Eggbeater and a >Bedwetter? The list describes them as being the same thing, I think, and >yet the Mir-Egg is worth 4 adds and the Bedwet is worth 5 adds. > B) How many adds is a Blurry Whirl? List says 4, I thought 5. Please hang on just a few days before filling the e-mail list with move-list discussion. The list has been there for two years and now that I've given it a new face, people are starting to poke holes in it. It's been commonly known that there were many errors in it. I didn't have time to fix the errors and redeploy it on my new system. So please, for now, e-mail me directly with questions about the move list and I'll try to update it before announcing that it's actually ready for prime time. Thanks. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Aug 31 21:41:46 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA32718 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:41:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26545 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:03:28 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA27797; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:02:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcp70.atext.com(206.66.71.70) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027692; Mon Aug 31 16:02:13 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:01:34 -0700 To: They Call me Josh From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] scorpian's tail notation Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 2:57 PM -0400 8/31/98, They Call me Josh wrote: >I always thought that it was a full-spinning down-double, whereas gyro >implies the set leg doing the dexterity. >JP Cool, if you're right I need to update it. Sorry this one has always confused me. Can someone clarify? Thanks. Steve