From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 1 05:49:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA05431 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 05:49:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from TAO.sou.edu (root@Tao.sou.edu [140.211.92.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00322 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:17:16 -0700 Received: from 206.151.159.11 (dyn-1-09.sou.mind.net [206.151.159.11]) by TAO.sou.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA12755 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35EAEB35.4EDE@tao.sou.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:28:05 -0800 From: "schrodt, forest" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re:scorpion tail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Steve and others. I think JP is right, the scorpions tail is a down spinning double down not a gyro barfly. I would like to know what a gyro barfly is called and who is hitting it. Sounds like a pretty hard trick. Look foward to seeing some of you at the Beaver Open in Salem, Oregon this weekend :) Forest From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 1 17:16:50 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA04959 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:16:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from send104.yahoomail.com (send104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.122]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06112 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:15:18 -0700 Message-ID: <19980901171540.11794.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [161.98.1.204] by send104.yahoomail.com; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 10:15:40 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:15:40 -0700 (PDT) From: EZ Piltz Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re:scorpion tail (gyro d-d) To: "schrodt, forest" Cc: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Kenny (Shults) at 96 World's said that he hadn't heard of anyone hitting that before, but six mos. later in Dallas, i saw Rippin' hit it cleanly- also on camera (dim light), also on "Rye Shred" Eli ---"schrodt, forest" wrote: > > Hi Steve and others. I think JP is right, the scorpions tail is a down > spinning double down not a gyro barfly. > I would like to know what a gyro barfly is called and who is hitting > it. Sounds like a pretty hard trick. > > Look foward to seeing some of you at the Beaver Open in Salem, Oregon > this weekend :) > Forest > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 1 19:41:04 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA14904 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:41:04 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f208.hotmail.com [207.82.251.99]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA07160 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:54:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 3975 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 1998 18:53:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19980901185350.3974.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.163.191.182 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 11:53:50 PDT X-Originating-IP: [152.163.191.182] From: "Daniel Kramer" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re:scorpion tail (gyro d-d) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 11:53:50 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org [gyro barfly] >Kenny (Shults) at 96 World's said that he hadn't heard of anyone >hitting that before, but six mos. later in Dallas, i saw Rippin' hit >it cleanly- also on camera (dim light), also on "Rye Shred" > >Eli Scott D. hits that all over the place. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 1 19:42:10 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA14910 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:42:10 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from golden.net (golden.net [199.166.210.183]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07663 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:41:18 -0700 Received: from [209.183.132.66] (AS52-22-66.cas-kit.golden.net [209.183.132.66]) by golden.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA06356 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freestyle@footbag.org From: kuchma@golden.net (Mike Kuchma) Subject: [freestyle] Alternatives to add Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello fellow kickers! Occassionaly on this discussion group, some people make denigrating remarks about the add system for rating freestyle move difficulty. If the add system is truly as illogical and antiquated as some kickers claim, then what are some of the suggested alternatives for rating difficulty? Just curious. Mike From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 1 21:00:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA32043 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:00:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08322 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:15:43 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA05722; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:14:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx5-28.ix.netcom.com(207.94.121.156) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma005687; Tue Sep 1 15:14:12 1998 Message-ID: <35EB0574.1112@utdallas.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:20:04 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Kuchma CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Alternatives to add References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Mike Kuchma wrote: > > Hello fellow kickers! > > Occassionaly on this discussion group, some people make denigrating remarks > about the add system for rating freestyle move difficulty. Yep. Adds don't tell you exactly how hard a move is. Atom smasher is 3 adds while ripwalk and dada are 4. But, they do give you a general idea. Not all 2 add moves are easier than a butterfly or osis, but most are. It is the same way with threes and fours. Not all 3 add moves are easier than ripwalk or torque, but most are. That is the one drawback of going tripless... you lose the cool threes that are difficult. > what are some of the suggested alternatives for rating difficulty? My favorite system involves trying the moves. If I fall down, that means the trick is pretty hard. If I hit it first, second, and third try, then the move isn't too bad. Adds are only good for making people string together difficult moves. If you go guiltless, does that mean that you *really* have to hit only three add moves or better? Watch some of the shred tapes where Peter Irish throws in his gimping moves (not just guilt, but tilt) and tell me he looks guilty. The only reason the add system is still around (besides judging) is to keep people from throwing toe stalls in the middle of their strings. If a move looks cool, do it. If you get lip about it being only one or two adds, ask yourself, "do I feel guilty for doing that move?" That is what guiltless is and that is more important than adds. Freestyle is about respect and making other people go "whoa! that was cool!" Do that and have fun. Who cares about competitions or counting adds? -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 1 21:18:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA07802 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:18:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SuperOwen@aol.com Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id WRLEa26915; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <80a5f8fb.35ec628e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:09:34 EDT To: scalf@utdallas.edu, freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Alternatives to add Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org You know, I'd like to thank D. I never realized till just now that why should I be worrying aobut doing about doing tough tricks, if it makes people say "shoa! that was cool!" do it. I'd just like to say thank you From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 1 22:29:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA25016 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:29:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SethBek@aol.com Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09688 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:58:41 -0700 Received: from SethBek@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id ONKPa17586 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4e92acad.35ec6dd0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:57:36 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Alternatives to add Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 9/1/98 5:15:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scalf@utdallas.edu writes: > Freestyle is about > respect and making other people go "whoa! that was cool!" hehe.. 1 point for every `wow` 2 points for a `cool!` 3 points for a `daaaaaaaaang!!` 4 points for a `do that again!` 5 ponts for a `i bet you cant do THAT twice` 6 points for a *faint* :-) -Seth :-) From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 2 00:01:57 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA18021 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:01:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f131.hotmail.com [207.82.251.10]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA11192 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:54:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 11658 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 1998 23:53:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19980901235339.11657.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.37.250.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Sep 1998 16:53:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [129.37.250.83] From: "Steve Miskiewicz" To: Freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Lavers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 19:53:38 EDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Anyone know where I can order some? The place I used to get them from don't sell them any more. Steve Miskiewicz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 2 00:30:26 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA26541 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:30:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11594 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:25:18 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA13693; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:25:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcp205-41.atext.com(205.180.137.41) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013625; Tue Sep 1 19:24:31 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980901235339.11657.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:24:22 -0700 To: "Steve Miskiewicz" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Lavers Cc: Freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 7:53 PM -0400 9/1/98, Steve Miskiewicz wrote: >Anyone know where I can order some? The place I used to get them from >don't sell them any more. Hmmm. How many times has *this* one been asked on the list? I guess without being overly commercial it would be sensible to inform you of the very convenient, very functional on-line catalog the WFA puts up. It's actually a service to the footbag community. The prices have come way down and the utility of their offerings has gone up. See http://worldfootbag.com -- it's there mostly as a service to you as a player. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 2 01:19:37 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA10737 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 01:19:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA11959 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:07:55 -0700 Received: (from jpenney@localhost) by hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id VAA07049; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:14:00 -0400 (EDT) From: They Call me Josh To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Alternatives to adds In-Reply-To: <4e92acad.35ec6dd0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > 1 point for every `wow` > 2 points for a `cool!` > 3 points for a `daaaaaaaaang!!` > 4 points for a `do that again!` > 5 ponts for a `i bet you cant do THAT twice` > 6 points for a *faint* :-) How many do i get for a "which way to the public bathroom?" U got that one five times today. > > Freestyle is about > > respect and making other people go "whoa! that was cool!" Is it? It's too bad Ethan is in Asia, to inject here his personal brand of flowing consciousness- I'll have to improv. Footbag is many things to many people. Some call it sport, for healthy body and mind. Some say it's just a silly activity for kids and washouts. Some (justifiably) call it art, and I have seen many use it as social lubricant. IMO it's about gratification thru personal achievement. Even when I haven't been skooling and all I can do is toe stall to other toe stall, it's an enjoyable hobby - and much cheaper than golfing, billiards or fillatily. No doubt it's great to go out in public and show off, to listen to the passers-by, yelling "hey! what the heck are you doing!?!" No doubt other players and many non-players see the difficulty and shout encouragement and respect, but I think I'd still be playing without it. adios- JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 2 04:06:01 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA29373 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 04:06:01 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Allman144@aol.com Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id IAGSa12640 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:52:24 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:52:24 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Kicking habits Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey all, I am just wondering about everyone's kicking habits. Like how often you kick a week. I like to kick every other day because when I am done kicking I like to run. I give my legs a day's rest in between. What about all you other guys and girls? I would appreciate some input so I can just get some ideas. Thanks a lot! Sincerely, Tony Glick The Ohio Footbag Association (which consists of me and my footbag) From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 2 08:02:51 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id IAA23636 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:02:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA15388 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 01:00:53 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA10196; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 02:57:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcp205-36.atext.com(205.180.137.36) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma010166; Wed Sep 2 02:56:15 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601bdd4f8$50f73c80$c151aacc@reaelec> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:56:05 -0700 To: "Ralph Allebach" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] scorpion's tail notation Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:58 AM -0400 8/31/98, Ralph Allebach wrote: >I keep hearing about this trick called the scorpian's tail. Can someone >please post its notation. Okay, all fixed. http://www.footbag.org/moves/find/scorpion Better yet, check out the new online video demonstration (in this case, by the one and only Eric Wulff)! Just go to the above list entry and click the link that says "video demonstration". I'm just getting started. Over the next week or so, watch the list as it grows. To see the available moves on video, go to http://www.footbag.org/movelist and click the link "Moves on Video". You just need the quicktime plugin, but believe me it's worth it. :-) Steve P.S. There are currently 15 moves with video demonstrations. I recorded about 45 but it takes forever to edit and upload as you may imagine, so bear with me. Thanks to Eric Wulff, Ahren Gehrman, Carol Wedemeyer, and Tu Vu for being my models for this first installment. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 2 15:17:18 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA00268 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:17:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SuperOwen@aol.com Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id IAFZa11929; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:40:12 EDT To: Allman144@aol.com, freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Kicking habits Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I usually try to kick at night, that way it's cool, and for about 45 minutes. I also like to listen to some good ska music while I'm kicking. Also, if I'm sitting inside and I have nothing to do I'll practice a few stalls or something. I also take it with me everywhere so in case there's some downtime while i'm out I can kick a bit. BUt that's just me. Total Package From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 2 19:38:05 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA11771 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:38:05 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from postal.interaccess.com (postal.interaccess.com [207.70.126.134]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20666 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:11:50 -0700 Received: from [207.208.101.131] (d131.tcg1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.131]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA01179; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:12:53 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:11:31 -0600 To: KAPLAN BRADLEY M , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse blender/dino Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Brad! >> I've been calling it "Twirling Swirl". Very good. Now try "Symposium >> Twirl" and "Paradox Twirl" > > In whichever notation you prefer could you please explain how the >symposium and paradox twirls would go. For some reason I can't get the >picture in my head. > Okay, here goes: Symposium Twirl: (Longhand, example = Left side) Set from right clipper (on left side of body), set straight up between knee and mid thigh level. Plant your right leg, then leap from right leg bringing your right leg up along the back of your leg (not touching, but for example's sake) and over ("back" away from your body), now land on your right leg and catch with a left osis (left leg on right side of body, cross-body inside from behind). I have hit this out of Blurry Whirl and Symposium Paradox Whirl and into paradox whirl and paradox twirl, makes for great combos!!! Notation attempt (very wrong, I am sure)... Symposium Twirl: R Clip > R Plant > R Dex Front to Back > L Osis Paradox Twirl: (Longhand, Example = Left) Start with Left Clipper Delay (on right side of body), set straight up at exactly mid thigh level, slightly turn to the right and bring your right leg up the back of your leg and over the bag on the left side of your body (front to back dexterity) then plant your right leg as you do a left osis. Notation attempt (again, I am certain this is wrong)... Paradox Twirl: L Clip > R Dex Front to Back > L Osis (Jobes notation really needs a revamping so it works with swirls and twirls which the dex goes back to front or front to back, but not in-out.) Note: I was really hesitant to call this "Paradox" Twirl a paradox, until I talked to the Boyz and found that they agree that it is paradox. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 2 19:38:09 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id TAA11777 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:38:09 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from [207.208.101.131] (d131.tcg1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.131]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA09004; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:22:35 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:21:16 -0600 To: Allman144@aol.com, freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org From: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter Subject: Re: [freestyle] Kicking habits Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Everyone! At 11:52 PM -0400 9/1/98, Allman144@aol.com wrote: >Hey all, I am just wondering about everyone's kicking habits. Like how often >you kick a week. I like to kick every other day because when I am done kicking >I like to run. I give my legs a day's rest in between. What about all you >other guys and girls? I would appreciate some input so I can just get some >ideas. Thanks a lot! I kick an hour a day, gotta go shred now! I skip lunch, and eat fruit all day when hungry. Using lunch as my workout (play) time, I can still get stuff done at home at night. I kick 5 days a week and weekends whenever possible, weekends are usually in front of crowds so instead of skoolin' moves (and mongo combos), I focus on long strings. On weekdays, I always do the same warm ups, and skool my 4's linking, then usually move onto 5's, picking a few and skoolin' them until I hit each of them (on both sides usually) from 4's or 5's and into 4's or 5's. I recommend pushing your "perceived" limits, but also master your "basics". I believe running is bad for my legs, but walking is boring. Sam Conlon walks/runs backwards to strengthen her hamstrings, which are overburdened by her quadracepts (I think). If anything, I would cross train my upperbody so I can go longer with more resistance to lactic acid burn. Your legs get plenty of workout from freestyle. Personal: Hi Tony! How ya doin'? Nice to see ya at Malta, keep shreddin'! See ya! gotta go shred!!!!!! Scott Davidson enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 3 00:58:38 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA31640 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:58:38 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24618 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:50:57 -0700 Received: from [207.208.101.131] (d107.tcg1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.107]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA07271; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:42:00 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:46:05 -0600 To: KAPLAN BRADLEY M , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter Subject: Re: [freestyle] reverse blender/dino Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Freestylers! >Symposium Twirl: (Longhand, example = Left side) >Paradox Twirl: (Longhand, Example = Left) Just wanted to let you know that today I hit (five times) L Symposium Paradox Twirl (6 adds and lots of personal accomplishment). I hit it out of Blurry Whirl and into Paradox whirl once. Symposium Paradox Twirl (Longhand, Example = Left) Left Clipper (left cross-body inside delay on right side of the body), set at just below hip height and slightly towards center of body, turn slightly to the right and plant right leg, leap off of right leg and circle the bag on the left side of the body with the right leg (shin) going up the back of the left leg and from front to back then land on right leg and catch with left osis. Hint: set is lower than you think. "You are limited only by your own perceptions" My new motto. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 3 00:59:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA31655 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:59:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mindspring.com (user-38ld0tj.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.131.179]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24947; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35EDD752.7912777@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:40:03 -0400 From: ryan Reply-To: masuga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allman144@aol.com CC: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Kicking habits References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I kick on the weekends only. Not because I couldn't stand to kick every day, but I just don't have the time. That's what my weekends are for - 4-8 hours on a Satuday and usually 4-6 hours on a Sunday. I need all week for my legs to recover... ryan NYFA From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 3 00:59:58 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA31673 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:59:58 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: ShReDStEiN@aol.com Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id OKWAa10121; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:07:36 EDT To: SuperOwen@aol.com, owner-freestyle@footbag.org, Allman144@aol.com, freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: [freestyle] Kicking habits Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 9/2/98 12:01:31 PM, SuperOwen@AOL.COM wrote: <> How can you not love this guy LOL... keep stylin my fellow shred heads... ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 3 00:59:58 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA31674 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:59:58 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: ShReDStEiN@aol.com Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24787; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:06:24 -0700 Received: from ShReDStEiN@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id GBICa17586; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:04:50 EDT To: jpenney@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu, owner-freestyle@footbag.org, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Alternatives to adds Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 9/1/98 5:22:00 PM, jpenney@hejira.hunter.cuny.edu wrote: <> We (OOPS footbag club stylers) hear this at every session... Its the story of my career...Shred on ... ::Danger: Stand clear of the blade:: Later Guys. ~Bryan From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 3 14:02:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id OAA23474 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:02:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from TAO.sou.edu (root@Tao.sou.edu [140.211.92.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA31305 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:14:14 -0700 Received: from 206.151.159.62 (dyn-2-29.sou.mind.net [206.151.159.62]) by TAO.sou.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA16647 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35EDB7AF.4A2E@tao.sou.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 13:25:03 -0800 From: "schrodt, forest" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Re: Alternatives to adds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just wanted to thank JP. (you gotta love this guy) Thank you for clarifying that footbag is not just an image oriented sport, that it does different things for different people. I love it when passer-byers show their awe at what I we are doing but I know that this is only a small part of why I kick. I would still kick if their was even less recconition given to what I am doing. The challenge of trying to do and doing what once seemed impossible is one of things that inspires me. I find that footbag helps clear my mind much like yoga does but in a different way. I have to say that the main thing that keeps me addictively kicking is that state of zone that sometimes occurs, where time seems to slow down and I feel a heightened state of being. This can happen in most sports but there is something special when it happens while playing footbag or while beating up little fury things! :) Forest >>JP wrote: Footbag is many things to many people. Some call it sport, for healthy body and mind. Some say it's just a silly activity for kids and washouts. Some (justifiably) call it art, and I have seen many use it as social lubricant. IMO it's about gratification thru personal achievement. Even when I haven't been skooling and all I can do is toe stall to other toe stall, it's an enjoyable hobby - and much cheaper than golfing, billiards or fillatily. No doubt it's great to go out in public and show off, to listen to the passers-by, yelling "hey! what the heck are you doing!?!" No doubt other players and many non-players see the difficulty and shout encouragement and respect, but I think I'd still be playing without it. adios- JP From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Sep 5 08:03:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id IAA21808 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:03:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from icarus.idirect.com (icarus.idirect.com [207.136.80.7]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23829 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:40:45 -0700 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA11085 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from doomnet6.idirect.com (doomnet6.idirect.com [207.136.87.6]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA13736 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by doomnet6.idirect.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BDD907.8559DF60@doomnet6.idirect.com>; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:58:16 -0500 Message-ID: <01BDD907.8559DF60@doomnet6.idirect.com> From: Rob Howe To: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: [freestyle] Ideas, Thanks, Etc. Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:58:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by eniac.yak.net id BAA15531 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Ok, some quick questions: As a beginner I'm thinking about getting a good freestyle footbag now that I am employed. I'm looking to spend around 20$. Which footbag would best suit my needs? Thank you for putting up the videos on the footbag.org movelist. Seeing people hit moves like that makes me want to go and kick until I can do them myself. And last, Does anyone know of any footbag tourneys that might be taking place in Ontario? Thanks In Advance Rob "trainee" Howe From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Sep 5 08:03:40 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id IAA22257 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:03:40 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from vcn.bc.ca (marigold@opus.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12036 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:18:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (marigold@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA01724 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:18:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Verhoef Anne To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Move name? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone, I've been trying this move for and have been coming really close: CLIP > OP IN DEX > (BACK) SPIN > OP IN DEX > OP TOE Miraging gyro mirage?? I think this miraging gyro concept can be used as a prefix for other moves such as whirl, butterfly. So miraging gyro butterfly would be: CLIP > OP IN DEX > (BACK) SPIN > OP IN DEX > OP CLIP Any input would be appreciated, Adrian V. -- marigold@vcn.bc.ca From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sat Sep 5 08:03:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id IAA21756 for freestyle-outgoing; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:03:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from geocities.com (mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24000 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:08:12 -0700 Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-164-62.s62.as7.loc.erols.com [207.172.164.62]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA00238 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901bdd88b$2926bbe0$3ea4accf@oemcomputer> From: "Ospry" To: "Freestyle" Subject: [freestyle] Gonna be in Virginia... Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:08:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDD850.7B5FC860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDD850.7B5FC860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, I'm gonna be in Alexandria, Virginia sometime in the next two = weeks. I would love to see someone shred live. I haven't actually seen = anybody do it "for real". Let me know if anyone lives near there. Real near, as my transportation = will be relatively nil. -Opsry ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDD850.7B5FC860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, I'm gonna be in Alexandria, = Virginia=20 sometime in the next two weeks. I would love to see someone shred live. = I=20 haven't actually seen anybody do it "for real".
Let me know if anyone lives near = there. Real=20 near, as my transportation will be relatively nil.
 
-Opsry
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDD850.7B5FC860-- From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Sep 6 18:02:52 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA07634 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 18:02:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f143.hotmail.com [207.82.251.22]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA32530 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:05:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 27606 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 1998 19:05:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19980905190504.27605.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 136.159.117.140 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Sep 1998 12:05:03 PDT X-Originating-IP: [136.159.117.140] From: "hackyin' hank" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ideas, Thanks, Etc. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 12:05:03 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > > >Ok, some quick questions: > >As a beginner I'm thinking about getting a good freestyle footbag now >that I am employed. I'm looking to spend around 20$. Hey Rob, I was wondering that same thing so I looked around a bit, my search brought me to Sport Check, where I bought the adidas bag. It works pretty good for me and I bought it for about 16$. I don't know what the others think about the bag but I really like it. Good luck. Dustin <> Smith ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Sun Sep 6 18:27:20 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA16232 for freestyle-outgoing; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 18:27:20 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: StinKyKiwi@aol.com Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11003 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 11:15:21 -0700 Received: from StinKyKiwi@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id OTZGa16074 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 14:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 14:14:40 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ideas, Thanks, Etc. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org For all you wanting a 32 panel bag, Email me. I just sold my first bag, and have two more guys lined up that want one from this list. I make them out of facile..and use small beads to make them good for freestyle. I've been making then for about 5 months, and since my name isn't out there in the custom bag "market", I am only charging 15 dollars for now. Get in touch with me if you are interested and I can give you more information. Matt Avery Avery bags PS, any BAP on this list..please Email me. I really want to send a couple bags to you guys for free, that are already broken in so you can tell me what you think. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 7 18:18:44 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA30312 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:18:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f274.hotmail.com [207.82.251.165]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA21110 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 06:47:13 -0700 Received: (qmail 21499 invoked by uid 0); 7 Sep 1998 13:46:42 -0000 Message-ID: <19980907134642.21498.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.187.123.173 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Sep 1998 06:46:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [129.187.123.173] From: "Andrew Feuerdrache" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Re: Alternatives to adds Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 06:46:41 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > 1 point for every `wow` > 2 points for a `cool!` > 3 points for a `daaaaaaaaang!!` > 4 points for a `do that again!` > 5 ponts for a `i bet you cant do THAT twice` > 6 points for a *faint* :-) > No doubt other players and many non-players see the difficulty and shout encouragement and respect, but I think I'd still be playing without it. One would hope so, in the last few months I have heard in 3 or 4 different languages how silly, comical, strange, or just plain rediculous our little sport seems to them. Strangely this wasn`t the same reaction that a nice tripless combo or a vortex garnered back home. Also as I reacall from the crowds back home the system mentioned above would probably rank pendulum above scorpians tail in difficulty, so maybe we will just hold onto the add system for a while. -Andrew P.S. Scott D. you are one sick mofo. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 7 18:19:10 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA30332 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:19:10 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f202.hotmail.com [207.82.251.93]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14206 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:57:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 13147 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 1998 23:57:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19980906235721.13146.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 136.159.201.90 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 Sep 1998 16:57:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [136.159.201.90] From: "hackyin' hank" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] SportCheck Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 16:57:20 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It was a Sport Check in Canada ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 7 18:19:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA30344 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:19:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: bugpowdr@MIT.EDU Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA12397 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 14:19:39 -0700 Received: from OGRE.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17501; Sun, 6 Sep 98 17:19:38 EDT Received: by ogre.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA07909; Sun, 6 Sep 98 17:19:36 -0400 Message-Id: <9809062119.AA07909@ogre.MIT.EDU> To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Move questions Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 17:19:36 EDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I'm coming close to hitting a move which I don't know the name and a good way to describe it. It could be TOE > OP OUT > (in Spin) > SAME CLIP the dexterity leg circle the bag 1 1/2 times. like an osis that goes between your legs with an extra dexterity. Anybody know this move? Andrew From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Mon Sep 7 18:19:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA30343 for freestyle-outgoing; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:19:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11190 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 11:36:35 -0700 Received: from neon088 (ppp-206-171-239-170.psdn11.pacbell.net [206.171.239.170]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id LAA15456; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 11:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000401bdd9c5$3051e4e0$f99cfea9@neon088> From: "Sam Colclough" To: "hackyin' hank" , Subject: Re: [freestyle] Ideas, Thanks, Etc. Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 11:35:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org >my search brought me to Sport Check, where I bought the adidas bag. It >works pretty good for me and I bought it for about 16$. I don't know >what the others think about the bag but I really like it. I like the Adidas footbag.. I think it is just as good as the Juice and breaks in just as well! Keep on kickin' -Sam Colclough From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Tue Sep 8 16:04:44 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA12415 for freestyle-outgoing; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:04:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA30655 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 23:03:35 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA06514; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 01:03:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx36-52.ix.netcom.com(207.94.123.244) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006512; Tue Sep 8 01:02:43 1998 Message-ID: <35F3786B.6D60@utdallas.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 01:08:43 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bugpowdr@MIT.EDU CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Move questions References: <9809062119.AA07909@ogre.MIT.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org bugpowdr@MIT.EDU wrote: > > I'm coming close to hitting a move which I don't know the name and a > good way to describe it. It could be TOE > OP OUT > (in Spin) > SAME CLIP > the dexterity leg circle the bag 1 1/2 times. like an osis that goes between > your legs with an extra dexterity. Anybody know this move? > > Andrew Sounds to me like a motion. Setting it from opposite toe like that would make it kind of like a paradon bailed to osis type of thing. Try setting this move from different places... same toe, op toe, either clipper. Though I've never hit it, some people do this move 'blurry' which would be: clip > op in [dex] > op out [dex] > same out [dex] > (back) spin > same clip. Cool move. Kick on. -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 9 01:05:06 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id BAA02782 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:05:06 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from jsisfo22.JSISHIPPING.COM ([207.33.33.89]) by jsisfomg1.jsishipping.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14027) with SMTP id AAA372 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:26:14 -0700 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:26:32 -0700 Message-ID: <01BDDB45.7073B720.ewulff@jsishipping.com> From: Eric Wulff To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: RE: [freestyle] Move name? Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:26:31 -0700 Organization: JSI Shipping X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Adrian Verhoef wrote: >I've been trying this move for and have been coming really close: >CLIP > OP IN DEX > (BACK) SPIN > OP IN DEX > OP TOE Adrian, check with the Disco Ninja on this(Tuan Vu). I believe this is the "Leaning Jowler" and Tuan is the man who hits it. Eric From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 9 05:41:41 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA14916 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 05:41:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail.cgocable.net (mail.cgocable.net [24.226.1.11]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13466 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:09:17 -0700 Received: from zacho (cgowave-35-161.cgocable.net [24.226.35.161]) by mail.cgocable.net (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA01161 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980908230807.007a1d30@cgocable.net> X-Sender: zacho@cgocable.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 23:08:07 -0400 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Gimpy Subject: RE: [freestyle] Move name? In-Reply-To: <01BDDB45.7073B720.ewulff@jsishipping.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org 'Leaning Jowler'? Nice. Has anyone ever played "Pass The Pigs"? -Gimpy >Adrian Verhoef wrote: >>I've been trying this move for and have been coming really close: >>CLIP > OP IN DEX > (BACK) SPIN > OP IN DEX > OP TOE > >Adrian, check with the Disco Ninja on this(Tuan Vu). I believe this is the >"Leaning Jowler" and Tuan is the man who hits it. > >Eric > From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 9 05:51:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id FAA14977 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 05:51:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14668 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:47:25 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA14991; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:46:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcptest56.atext.com(206.66.71.215) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma014974; Wed Sep 9 00:46:30 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980908230807.007a1d30@cgocable.net> References: <01BDDB45.7073B720.ewulff@jsishipping.com> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:46:40 -0700 To: Gimpy From: Steve Goldberg Subject: RE: [freestyle] Move name? Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:08 PM -0400 9/8/98, Gimpy wrote: >'Leaning Jowler'? Nice. Has anyone ever played "Pass The Pigs"? Oh no, here we go again. :-) Steve P.S. Paul, please limit discussion on non-freestyle threads to a reasonable size, thanks. :-) Garlands away... From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 9 18:08:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA18421 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:08:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21490 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:24:15 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #D3122) with SMTP id <0EZ1003011QI7I@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:25:30 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: [freestyle] move name/adds To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org So I've been practicing paradox legbeaters and coming real close, but no dice yet. So just for sh*ts and giggles I decided to try this move to give one of my hips a rest: clip> same out dex> same in dex> op toe Or clipper set, same leg out to in dexterity, then bring the same leg back over (in to out), catch opposite toe. I've been thinking you get a paradox for it (making it 4 adds) as it starts the same as the paradox legbeater or (paradox atom-smasher?), but I wasn't sure. Also I've been calling it a Smashing Pumpkin (copyright infringement?), but it may already have a name. Could someone shred some light on this for me? Thanks, Brad From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 9 18:31:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA18546 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:31:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22575 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:28:55 -0700 Message-ID: <19980909182638.27635.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [161.98.1.204] by send1e; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:26:38 PDT Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:26:38 -0700 (PDT) From: EZ Piltz Subject: [freestyle] Fwd- new rod lavers? To: freestyle@footbag.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org ---answerman@adidas.de wrote: > > Hi Eli, > > A new Rod Laver shoe is planned for next year. It will be an update to > the original Laver with an EVA midsole, making it lighter. The upper > dsign will also be slightly updated. However, the original Laver will > still be available as well. > See ya! > > -----Original Message----- > > > question: Is Adidas making a new Rod Laver tennis shoe? When will > > they be on the shelves? Will the old style still be available? What > > renovations have been made? > > > > Many footbag players are in dyer need of this info. please email me. > > My extreme gratitude. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 9 20:48:13 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA28399 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:48:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f215.hotmail.com [207.82.251.106]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA24514 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:38:23 -0700 Received: (qmail 1647 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 1998 20:37:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19980909203737.1646.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.181.80.185 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 13:37:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.181.80.185] From: "Mr. Mojo Risin" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Rod Lavers Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 13:37:36 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey everyone out there. Does ANYONE know where to get Laver's in Canada ???? I'm in the Toronto area so even somewhere around Buffalo would be handy! My All-Stars are falling apart !!! Dustin ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 9 20:48:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA28405 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:48:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SuperOwen@aol.com Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id IUXFa02821 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:14:25 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Good, Cheap Shoes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I have two questions. Almost alike, yet different. What are some good, cheap ($20-$40) freestyle shoes? If any. And, what are some good shoes for freestyle other than Lavers? You see I usually kick in Teva's, but with the weather getting colder here in the North, I can't anymore. Thanks, Total Package P.S. Any one that saw the mail a few days ago from Matt Avery, Avery Bags, I got mine today in the mail, and it's good, damn good. But that's just me. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 9 22:27:56 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA21411 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:27:56 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SuperOwen@aol.com Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id IRNYa11275 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:23:03 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Mirage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I just wanted to share my excitement with everyone. I just hit my first Mirage. It wasn't pretty, it wasn't graceful, but I did it. That's all. Owen From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 9 22:30:00 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA21431 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 22:30:00 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from coins0.coin.missouri.edu (jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu [198.209.253.1]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25339 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:41:59 -0700 Received: (from jriely@localhost) by coins0.coin.missouri.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA16463; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:41:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:41:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeremiah J. Riely" X-Sender: jriely@coins0.coin.missouri.edu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move name/adds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Sounds like a paradox tap. 4 adds. On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, KAPLAN BRADLEY M wrote: > So I've been practicing paradox legbeaters and coming real close, but > no dice yet. So just for sh*ts and giggles I decided to try this move to > give one of my hips a rest: > clip> same out dex> same in dex> op toe > Or clipper set, same leg out to in dexterity, then bring the same leg > back over (in to out), catch opposite toe. > I've been thinking you get a paradox for it (making it 4 adds) as it > starts the same as the paradox legbeater or (paradox atom-smasher?), but I > wasn't sure. Also I've been calling it a Smashing Pumpkin (copyright > infringement?), but it may already have a name. > Could someone shred some light on this for me? > > Thanks, > Brad > From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 9 23:29:29 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA05778 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:29:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25745 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:33:42 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA28710; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:33:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcp205-31.atext.com(205.180.137.31) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028677; Wed Sep 9 17:32:27 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980909203737.1646.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:32:34 -0700 To: "Mr. Mojo Risin" From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] Rod Lavers Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 1:37 PM -0700 9/9/98, Dustin wrote: >Does ANYONE know where to get Laver's in Canada ???? I'm in the Toronto >area so even somewhere around Buffalo would be handy! My All-Stars are >falling apart !!! Okay, for the 15th time: :-) (1) You can't currently buy Rod Laver tennis shoes in retail stores in Canada, as far as I know; (2) You can easily buy Rod Laver tennis shoes through the mail on the web from the World Footbag Association -- they have an online catalog at http://worldfootbag.com -- if you support them, you're indirectly supporting the sport and our footbag community. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 9 23:29:30 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA05784 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:29:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: StinKyKiwi@aol.com Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25761 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:34:25 -0700 Received: from StinKyKiwi@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id ORFMa16073 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:33:45 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] move name/adds Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org I seriously think that move is pdox...how can a move be paradox with a clip>same OUT Dont think so bro...more like a tap with clipper set. But then again..I dont know much about taps. Whats the notation for stepping butterfly? is that another name for pixi butterfly? Matt Avery bags From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 9 23:29:39 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA05805 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:29:39 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: StinKyKiwi@aol.com Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26111 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:07:56 -0700 Received: from StinKyKiwi@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id OSSWa17586 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7bf726df.35f70a27@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:07:19 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Cant hit anything today? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Wuz up all.. Im sure everyone has their days...can't hit anything big...and ya know what? It blows! I thought I was over those days...cause I have been doing great. Hitting a magellan the first try, and hitting DAWs finally...All I could hit today were 3s and a couple 4s..but my strings really dragged. I just try some more..then stop for the day.. Anyone have any suggestions to deal with these days..and not screw with your game? Check yall later! Matt Avery Avery bags From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Wed Sep 9 23:29:57 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA05818 for freestyle-outgoing; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:29:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: SuperOwen@aol.com Received: from SuperOwen@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id IDHZa26914 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7bf71a62.35f70d18@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:19:52 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] Two Things Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org 1) Are there any freestylers in the Pittsburgh area? 2) How bout this trick, outside delay, set it, circle it with your foot in the outside position, kinda like a swirl, except it's an outside, not clipper. Has anyone ever tried this? Total Package From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 10 04:18:12 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id EAA25671 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:18:12 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00797 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:10:41 -0700 Received: from mindspring.com (user-38ld11e.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.132.46]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA22986; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 00:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CE761B.33E4D646@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:25:01 -0400 From: ryan Reply-To: masuga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: StinKyKiwi@aol.com CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move name/adds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org StinKyKiwi@aol.com wrote: > I seriously think that move is pdox...how can a move be paradox with a > clip>same OUT What about Paradox Reverse Mirage: CLIP > SAME OUT > OP TOE (?) > Whats the notation for stepping butterfly? is that another name for pixi > butterfly? It would be something like: CLIP > OP IN > SAME OUT > OP CLIP Pixie Butterfly is more like: TOE > SAME IN > OP OUT > OP CLIP I'm not a notation master...anybody? ryan mass-uga NYFA Hi, JP! From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 10 14:55:16 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id OAA07895 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:55:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from postal.interaccess.com (postal.interaccess.com [207.70.126.134]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA12505 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 06:26:28 -0700 Received: from [207.208.101.20] (d20.tcg1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.20]) by postal.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA05090; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:26:15 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:14:27 -0600 To: StinKyKiwi@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter Subject: Re: [freestyle] move name/adds Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Matt! >I seriously think that move is pdox...how can a move be paradox with a >clip>same OUT I still don't follow most of that notation stuff. >Whats the notation for stepping butterfly? is that another name for pixi >butterfly? Stepping butterfly is set from a clipper, pixie butterfly is set from a toe, basically the same move. I would say the notation is like this, but I am NOT an authority on notation, nor an advocate of it... Stepping Butterfly clip > op out > same in > op clip See ya! Scott. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 10 14:55:26 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id OAA07908 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:55:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: holyx@ix.netcom.com Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA12910 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:07:29 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA01187 for freestyle@footbag.org; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:07:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:07:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from prt-or1-03.ix.netcom.com(207.220.32.67) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001102; Thu Sep 10 09:06:17 1998 To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-Id: <199891018561956334@ix.netcom.com> Subject: RE: [freestyle] Move name?/Pigs X-Mailer: Netcomplete v4.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 11:08 PM -0400 9/8/98, Gimpy wrote: >>'Leaning Jowler'? Nice. Has anyone ever played "Pass The Pigs"? >Oh no, here we go again. :-) > Steve >P.S. Paul, please limit discussion on non-freestyle threads to a reasonable >size, thanks. :-) Garlands away... ...Will do, Steve. Those interested in the origins of the name of the move Tuan Vu created, go to http://www.ultranet.com/~gkramer/PassThePigs.shtml for a virtual "lite" demo of the game. The real game is like dice with tiny plastic pigs. The "Garland of Pork" is an icon of sorts, passed to the player that has rolled the highest score in one turn and passing them without hitting a "pig out" or an "oinker." Tuan Vu once had a good run at the Garland when he was in Portland. He can tell you how exciting that is. I think he said his heart-rate about doubled. The current holder of the Garland is Kenny Shults. I believe his score is 424. Kenny's held the Garland for some time, and although he's trying to lose some weight, I think that he's vulnerable now. Guess I'll grab my tournament-grade pigs and mosey over to his house. The Garland will be mine... oh yes, it WILL be MINE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Now, back to freestyle. Kick On, Paul V. From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 10 15:34:29 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA22750 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:34:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13922 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:26:13 -0700 Received: from [207.208.101.20] (d20.tcg1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.20]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA04383; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:26:01 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7bf726df.35f70a27@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:18:00 -0600 To: StinKyKiwi@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter Subject: Re: [freestyle] Cant hit anything today? Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Matt! At 7:07 PM -0400 9/9/98, StinKyKiwi@aol.com wrote: >Im sure everyone has their days...can't hit anything big...and ya know what? >It blows! >Anyone have any suggestions to deal with these days..and not screw with your >game? I had that problem this past Tuesday, I couldn't hit a weak-side mobius to save my life. Usually I can hit it in and out of fours, I couldn't even hit it alone. I figured out that it was the dirtbag I was using, had to switch to dirt due to spewing beads from my current freestyle bag. Got it fixed now though. The way I deal with it is to, instead of skooling individual moves, I just skool long strings with a slightly lower add ratio than usual for me. Gets me out of my "come on, get with it" mood. Then I look forward to raging the next day. Move on, it will come back. See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 10 15:34:57 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA24925 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:34:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13927 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:26:15 -0700 Received: from [207.208.101.20] (d20.tcg1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.20]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA04420 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:26:09 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:27:25 -0600 To: freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter Subject: [freestyle] New move... Stomping Double Helix Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Everyone! I am not sure if this is a new move, but I haven't seen anyone else hit it, so here goes: Stomping Double Helix: (there is no way to notate this move, so longhand:) Example = Left side Left clipper, set straight up about waist height, plant both legs and leap off both legs, simultaneously circling the bag from front to back (like a whirl) with both legs, on the way down plant the right leg and snag the bag with your left clipper. 4 adds: dex-dex-cross body-delay Also have hit it once paradox. I think I can do both the symposium version and the paradox symposium version eventually. So it may evolve from "Stomping" to other genre's. I call this "simultaneous dexterity of both legs" a "double helix" due to its similarity in look to the di-ribonuclaic-acid [sp] (DNA) strands Is there already a name for this move, or have I stumbled onto something here? See ya! Scott Davidson Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 10 18:06:34 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA02064 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:06:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from pop03.globecomm.net (pop03.globecomm.net [206.253.130.65]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14940 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:23:23 -0700 Received: from who.net (dialup24.281.com [209.84.39.63]) by pop03.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA23033 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35F7FE24.3A44490@who.net> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:28:20 -0500 From: Eric Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move... Stomping Double Helix References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter wrote: > I am not sure if this is a new move, but I haven't seen anyone else hit it, > so here goes: > Stomping Double Helix: (there is no way to notate this move, so longhand:) > Is there already a name for this move, or have I stumbled onto something here? I have thought about this move a lot, but never came close to hitting it...I like "helix". You should put a swirl at the end. E From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 10 18:06:35 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA02069 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:06:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Resent-From: reiddm@magma.ca Received: from pc0966.software.mitel.com (Administrators@localhost) by king.tomahawktech.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA00218 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:54:01 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:54:00 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Resent-Message-Id: <199809101654.MAA00218@king.tomahawktech.com> From: "Dave Reid" To: Subject: RE: [freestyle] Mirage Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:53:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bddcdb$8909a0a0$c136c786@pc0966.software.mitel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > -----Original Message----- > I just wanted to share my excitement with everyone. I just hit my first > Mirage. It wasn't pretty, it wasn't graceful, but I did it. That's all. Congrats Owen! I'm a newbie too, and it's really exciting. Every week (if not every day), I pick up a new trick that used to make me say "That's impossible!", and it rocks. I know how it feels to hit a Mirage for the first time. In my mind, it is the first move that involves more than just simple foot control. My next challenge is to get my wife to do a Mirage. She's been kicking regularly since our trip to the Worlds with her Adidas bag (thanx to Scott D. (I think) for tossing them out). Today Mirage, tomorrow the world! Let us know when you hit a double legover (my next goal) :) Dave From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 10 18:43:49 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id SAA10610 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:43:49 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Nageylum@aol.com Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17281; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:35:58 -0700 Received: from Nageylum@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id OJOHa25247; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:35:20 EDT To: enlightener@footbag.org, StinKyKiwi@aol.com, freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [freestyle] Cant hit anything today? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org In a message dated 9/10/98 11:35:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, enlightener@footbag.org writes: > I had that problem this past Tuesday, I couldn't hit a weak-side mobius to > save my life. Usually I can hit it in and out of fours, I couldn't even > hit it alone. I figured out that it was the dirtbag I was using, had to > switch to dirt due to spewing beads from my current freestyle bag. Got it > fixed now though. ya know scott i can relate to that mobious thing, i really can, or rather i should say i wish i could but i'm excited when i hit a mobious on my good side, and i mean really excited. but you inspire me to try and get to your level of play where my off days are better than a lot of peoples good days. and that what it's all about, setting goals and trying your best to get to them. but i personally stop kicking when i'm having a bad time, i figure is soon as i stop having fun messing up the moves, or strings it's no longer good for me. Josh Childs From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 10 21:39:30 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA29229 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:39:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: StinKyKiwi@aol.com Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19026 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:40:01 -0700 Received: from StinKyKiwi@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id OUQJa26914 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <695171b.35f838fe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:39:26 EDT To: freestyle@footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] move Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org reverse mirage? never heard of that one. When this list did something befre on moves being pdox...I think one thing that was sai was that it had to be IN to OUT dex. If Im wrong..feel free to correct me:) Matt Avery Bags From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 10 22:22:30 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA05234 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:22:30 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20149 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:50:53 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA09795; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:50:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dhcp205-134.atext.com(205.180.137.134) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009766; Thu Sep 10 16:49:46 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: brat@market.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <695171b.35f838fe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:49:45 -0700 To: StinKyKiwi@aol.com From: Steve Goldberg Subject: Re: [freestyle] move Cc: freestyle@footbag.org Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org At 4:39 PM -0400 9/10/98, StinKyKiwi@aol.com wrote: >reverse mirage? never heard of that one. Matt, that's just a reverse-dexterity mirage. We tend to use "reverse" to indicate out-in dexterities if a trick is normally done in-out. Since "mirage" is an in-out dexterity; any time you do the other direction, it's a reverse mirage. I haven't updated the move list yet to show that, but will.> >When this list did something befre on >moves being pdox...I think one thing that was sai was that it had to be IN to >OUT dex. If Im wrong..feel free to correct me:) Untrue. There are lots of reverse-dexterity paradox moves (e.g., paradox reverse mirage). The requirement is, however, that for out-in dexterities to merit the extra body (paradox) add, you must catch the bag with the opposite foot in *front* of you after the dexterity (thus completing the more difficult dexterity. If you catch it in a clipper with the opposite foot (e.g., butterfly) it's not paradox. Similar requirements exist for in-out dexterities -- i.e., you have to catch the bag on the opposite foot after in-out dexterities, but it doesn't matter where you do it. Oh, no, I feel a great paradox debate brewing if I've misrepresented anything. :-) But trust me, paradox reverse mirage is a paradox move just like paradox mirage. Steve From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 10 22:23:44 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA05252 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:23:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mail-oak-3.pilot.net (mail-oak-3.pilot.net [198.232.147.18]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20345 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:17:40 -0700 Received: from sparky.fibre.com (sparky.fibre.com [206.189.10.11]) by mail-oak-3.pilot.net with ESMTP id OAA13288 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zzz1wbmail1.fibre.com (zzz1wbmail1.fibre.com [10.1.4.31]) by sparky.fibre.com with ESMTP id PAA16195 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by zzz1wbmail1.fibre.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:27:41 -0700 Message-ID: <5FCA68163A73D1119D3600A0C98D7DE3012993FD@zzz1wbmail1.fibre.com> From: Noah Shipley To: "'StinKyKiwi@aol.com'" Cc: "'freestyle@footbag.org'" Subject: RE: [freestyle] move Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:27:40 -0700 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org It is the SET that determines whether or not a move is paradox(i.e. when the set changes the difficulty of the move) not the directions of the mirages. -----Original Message----- From: StinKyKiwi@aol.com [SMTP:StinKyKiwi@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 1:39 PM To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] move reverse mirage? never heard of that one. When this list did something befre on moves being pdox...I think one thing that was sai was that it had to be IN to OUT dex. If Im wrong..feel free to correct me:) Matt Avery Bags From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 10 22:24:22 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA05268 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:24:22 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from pop03.globecomm.net (pop03.globecomm.net [206.253.130.65]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20368 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:19:44 -0700 Received: from who.net (dialup42.281.com [209.84.39.81]) by pop03.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA24826; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35F851AB.FDC00999@who.net> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:24:43 -0500 From: Eric Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: StinKyKiwi@aol.com CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move References: <695171b.35f838fe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org yeah, i was looking at the paradox tutorial on the moves list page at footbag worldwide today...it says that only SOME out-in dex moves are ineligible for paradox...and pdx reverse mirage was the example it gave of one that does get the pdx add. fun move, too. E StinKyKiwi@aol.com wrote: > reverse mirage? never heard of that one. When this list did something befre on > moves being pdox...I think one thing that was sai was that it had to be IN to > OUT dex. If Im wrong..feel free to correct me:) > > Matt > Avery Bags From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Thu Sep 10 22:39:17 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA13795 for freestyle-outgoing; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:39:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20659 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:37:43 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA28192; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:37:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx42-52.ix.netcom.com(207.221.94.116) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028169; Thu Sep 10 17:37:17 1998 Message-ID: <35F704A8.6D0@utdallas.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 17:43:52 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: StinKyKiwi@aol.com CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] move References: <695171b.35f838fe@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org StinKyKiwi@aol.com wrote: > > reverse mirage? never heard of that one. When this list did something befre on > moves being pdox...I think one thing that was sai was that it had to be IN to > OUT dex. If Im wrong..feel free to correct me:) Oh hell. Here goes the great paradox debate again :) When people say that the dex has to be IN to be pdx, they just mean that you can't get pdx with a butterfly type of dex (double over down, reverse whirl, ripwalk, etc.) But, a reverse mirage - though it is an OUT dex - can be done paradox. Here goes the notation. Pdx reverse mirage - clip > same OUT [dex] > op toe [del] or for those who won't spend 5 minutes to learn the notation, clip set > the same leg that did the set goes around from out to in > catch the bag on the opposite toe from the one that just did the dex. Funny how similar the notation looks to this long description...anyway... It is just like a paradox mirage except the dex goes the other way. In my opinion, pdx rev mirage is much harder than just plain ol paradox mirage. Because you can do a pdx rev mirage, you also get a paradox add on moves like blizzard (miraging paradox rev mirage) or pdx legbeater (pdx rev miraging butterfly). I think paradox just means "the hard way". A paradox mirage is a lot harder than a clipper set mirage. The add system, as I'm sure everyone has heard, isn't always right. Paradox is an add that was put in later to make the system a little closer to right. Basically, a hard move gets another add. There is a good description of paradox at http://www.footbag.org/movelist/paradox-tutorial.html -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 11 00:02:45 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id AAA31232 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:02:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from mcfeely.interaccess.com (mcfeely.interaccess.com [207.70.126.131]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21763 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:50:18 -0700 Received: from [207.208.101.106] (d106.tcg1.interaccess.com [207.208.101.106]) by mcfeely.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA00522; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:50:12 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: copyset@pop.interaccess.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35F7FE24.3A44490@who.net> References: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:42:35 -0600 To: Eric Burgess , freestyle@footbag.org From: Scott Davidson at CopySetCenter Subject: Re: [freestyle] New move... Stomping Double Helix Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hi Eric and Freestylers! >> I am not sure if this is a new move, but I haven't seen anyone else hit it, >> so here goes: >> Stomping Double Helix: (there is no way to notate this move, so longhand:) > > > >> Is there already a name for this move, or have I stumbled onto something >>here? > >I have thought about this move a lot, but never came close to hitting >it...I like >"helix". You should put a swirl at the end. There kinda is a swirl at the end... it is simultaneously happening with the "whirl" motion of the originally planted leg. The bulk of the dex's happen at the end of the move already, just slightly before the catch, maybe a swirl at the front (as Cam Kennedy suggested to me today)... just maybe. See ya! Scott D. Enlightener From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 11 03:55:15 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id DAA01550 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 03:55:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f From: Allman144@aol.com Received: from Allman144@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id INWVa17585 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:27:38 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <3efe6041.35f87c8a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:27:38 EDT To: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [freestyle] A bunch of things Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 167 Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Well, I just got done viewing all of the new video clips at footbag.org (I have a T1 connection) and all I can say is Holy Crap! I knew I was in trouble during the first download when I saw Wulfe hit a blurry dragonfly straight into a torque! Anyways, got a few questions for everyone. Check this out: Clip > back spin > same in to out dex> op toe This is obviously a spinning mirage, but is it a spinning paradox mirage because I set it from a clipper? Also, what is a superfly? I saw Irish do it a few times in the video clips. Finally, you all probably know that Mark McGwire reached the 62 home run, probably the most coveted record in all of sports. My question is, is there such a plateau in footbag? I would be interested to hear anyone's feedback. Sincerely, Tony Glick From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 11 07:34:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id HAA04513 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:34:54 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA29756; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 02:06:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx48-27.ix.netcom.com(198.211.45.91) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma029742; Fri Sep 11 02:06:30 1998 Message-ID: <35F77C14.713@utdallas.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 02:13:24 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allman144@aol.com CC: freestyle@majordomo.footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] A bunch of things References: <3efe6041.35f87c8a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Allman144@aol.com wrote: > > Clip > back spin > same in to out dex> op toe > This is obviously a spinning mirage, but is it a spinning paradox mirage > because I set it from a clipper? Actually, this is a gyro mirage. If the set leg does the dex, the move is gyro. If the other leg does the dex, it is called spinning. And, no. You don't get paradox on any move with a spin. > Also, what is a superfly? A symposium barfly. Pure hell. clipper set. Plant your set foot. Jump off of this foot without planting your other leg. Circle the bag twice from out to in all in the air. Catch on opposite clipper. or, clip > (no plant while) same out [dex] > same out [dex] > op clipper. Later. -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 11 15:52:04 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA09852 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:52:04 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from TAO.sou.edu (root@Tao.sou.edu [140.211.92.6]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29617 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:31:50 -0700 Received: from 206.151.159.61 (dyn-2-28.sou.mind.net [206.151.159.61]) by TAO.sou.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA06451 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35F847D3.5486@tao.sou.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:42:43 -0800 From: "schrodt, forest" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] New move... Stomping Double Helix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > Hi Everyone! > I am not sure if this is a new move, but I haven't seen anyone else hit it, > so here goes: > > Stomping Double Helix: (there is no way to notate this move, so longhand:) > Example = Left side > Left clipper, set straight up about waist height, plant both legs and leap > off both legs, simultaneously circling the bag from front to back (like a > whirl) with both legs, on the way down plant the right leg and snag the bag > with your left clipper. > 4 adds: dex-dex-cross body-delay > > Also have hit it once paradox. I think I can do both the symposium version > and the paradox symposium version eventually. So it may evolve from > "Stomping" to other genre's. > > I call this "simultaneous dexterity of both legs" a "double helix" due to > its similarity in look to the di-ribonuclaic-acid [sp] (DNA) strands > > Is there already a name for this move, or have I stumbled onto something here? > > See ya! > Scott Davidson > Enlightener Sounds like it might be a type of shooting sett but it his hard to know without seeing. Forest From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 11 15:52:28 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id PAA09865 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:52:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f222.hotmail.com [207.82.251.113]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA31959 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:55:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 316 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1998 13:55:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19980911135505.315.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 129.187.254.48 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:55:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [129.187.254.48] From: "Andrew Feuerdrache" To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] adds Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:55:04 PDT Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hey gang, I`ve been mulling over the add system for a while thinking of a better way to find the relative difficulty of moves. I tried to write out several moves and brake them down to see exactly what makes them difficult and if it was possible to find a basic way to total the elements. My conclusion is that really it isn`t but here is a ruff copy of what I got. First don`t count delays. Then I tried to find the elements that make most moves hard and brake them down where possible into full and half elements. 1. Dex and spinns. Dexterities are broken into half and full. A full dex is when the dex leg fully circles the bag (e.g. around the world) and half is of course when there is only a partial dex (butterfly). Also a point is awarded when a leg is moved behind the bag not just in front e.g. drifter, pixy clipper. Ducking moves are also chunked in here as a full dex. Spins, or shifts. Half spin (in or back) is 1 (osis) full (spinning kick) is 2 and full in-spin is 3. 2. Movement. When a move restricts movement then there is an point awarded, this is any move ending in a clipper because your leg has to catch (kick) the bag while restricted behind your plant leg. Also some moves now called paradox e.g. paradox mirage. 3. Unusual surface, this is divided into two categories; unusual stalling surfaces (outstep, knees, sole, head, pinch, probably some others) and just plain unusual (heal, toe tip, shin). As you may have guessed unusual stalls get 1 and just plain unusual get 2. 4. Non complimentary. This is basically for any time the side or leg changes, or there is a non complimentary movement with the same leg. For most dex this is relatively simple e.g. leg over is set from the opp leg so it gets one. Direction change, same leg e.g. pixi (same side) leg over, stepping butterfly, also a spin directly to an in-spin. Side change covers many moves now called paradox e.g. paradox whirl. So far we`ve got the basics, now for a few examples of common moves osis=2 half spin+ limited range of motion on the catch. butterfly=2 half dex + lim. range of motion paradox mirage=3 limited range of motion + full dex in-spinning mirage=4 full in-spin+ half dex(not a full mirage) blur=4 half dex + switch + full dex ducking butterfly=4 duck + half dex + limited range of motion rip walk=4 half dex+ switch+half dex+range of motion atom smasher=5 full dex + switch + full dex flurry=5 1.5 dex + switch + half dex blury whirl=5 half dex+switch+full dex+range of motion. barfly=5 1.5 dex + side change + limited range of motion. nemesis=8 1.5 dex+ side change+1.5 dex+limited range of motion. Now for the fun part, symposium and flying moves don`t fit in here so neatly so I decided to put them together as strength moves. This only differs from the add system that a point (or for flying moves an additional point) is added for each full or part of a full dex. That isn't very clear so here are some examples. dragon fly=3 strength+full dex flying barrage kick=5 1.5 dex+strength(twice because there is more than one full dex) symposium whirl=4 full dex+range of motion+strength superfly=7 side change + 1.5 dex + strength (twice because there is more than one full dex) + limited range of motion. Right now I can see a few major failings (I can just hear people now squabbling about whether their new move has a full dex or not). I may just be opening up a can of worms here, but as yet I`m not suggesting that this replace the add system, just sharing my thoughts. If anyone could please give me some feed back, it would probably be more productive if you could send it to me directly and then I`ll see if I can clean this up a bit. -Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 11 17:56:21 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id RAA11340 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:56:21 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from clem.mscd.edu (pmdf@clem.mscd.edu [147.153.1.3]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01768 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:35:57 -0700 Received: from localhost by clem.mscd.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #D3122) with SMTP id <0EZ400C01RMC3B@clem.mscd.edu> for freestyle@footbag.org; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:37:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:37:24 -0600 (MDT) From: KAPLAN BRADLEY M Subject: [freestyle] VIDEO To: freestyle@footbag.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org There is a new video out to drool over. It's called "Rye Shred", compiled by Eli Piltz (ezshredz@yahoo.com). It's got some of the most incredible footage from worlds, western, southern, and mountain (timezone that is). Peter Irish, Eric Wulff, Daryl Genz, Ryan Mulroney, Rippin' Rick, GRANDMASTER SHULTS, Tuan Vu, Teva Dave, Greg Nelson, Carol Wedemeir, Eli himself, some of the new guys, some of the Finnish players, and more names that I wish were mine. They're symposiumbackspinflurryblurrinpararippin anything you can imagine. There's no sound track so you can go "au naturale" or just blast your favorite tunes over it. And it's KOSHER too!!! Check it out! Brad From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 11 21:02:36 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id VAA30370 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:02:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02926 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:43:54 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA26981 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:43:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx6-52.ix.netcom.com(207.94.122.116) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026920; Fri Sep 11 13:42:55 1998 Message-ID: <35F81F11.4B7B@utdallas.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:48:49 -0500 From: Derric Scalf Reply-To: scalf@utdallas.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: [freestyle] Texas State Championships Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Hello freestyle list. This October 10th and 11th, the Texas State Footbag Championships are going to be held in Austin. I don't really know a lot about the tournament since I'm not running it or anything, but I thought the list needed to know. More information is on the event page http://footbag.org/calendar/show/901662600 I know that the freestyle scene will be pretty sweet with Eli Piltz, Kyle Crawford, Big Add Chad, and Teva Dave all coming down. Last year, Scott D. made it down. How about this year Scott? Net competition is usually pretty good with the local people - James Roberts, James Harley, Tim Vozar, and of course, Tina Lewis (2nd in the world). Tina's e-mail address is tinalewis@footbag.org Write to her with any questions you have about the tournament. Try to make it. I'm just a poor unemployed college student, so this is my only chance to go to a tournament before Southern Regionals in April. I want to see everyone there. Later. -D From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 11 22:12:19 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA23054 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:12:19 GMT Received: from hawk.csrv.uidaho.edu (hawk.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.119.220]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05449 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:30:23 -0700 Received: from raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (hill9361@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.192.43]) by hawk.csrv.uidaho.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21551 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hill9361@localhost) by raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA28187 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:30:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.csrv.uidaho.edu: hill9361 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:30:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Hillebrand X-Sender: hill9361@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium barfly In-Reply-To: <35F77C14.713@utdallas.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Derric Scalf wrote: > > Also, what is a superfly? > > clip > (no plant while) same out [dex] > same out [dex] > op clipper. This doesn't differ from my definition of a barfly. Can someone clarify? _______________________________ Matt P. Hillebrand hill9361@uidaho.edu http://www.uidaho.edu/~hill9361 From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 11 22:36:54 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id WAA31610 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:36:54 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (hejira.hunter.cuny.edu [146.95.128.97]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06311 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:32:42 -0700 Received: (from jpenney@localhost) by hejira.hunter.cuny.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id SAA14581; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Censored Josh Penney To: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] Stomping Double Helix In-Reply-To: <35F847D3.5486@tao.sou.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org > > Stomping Double Helix: (there is no way to notate this move, so longhand:) > > Is there already a name for this move, or have I stumbled onto something here? > > > Sounds like it might be a type of shooting sett but it his hard to know > without seeing. Yaargh! Does anyone remember the reverse-whirling swirl, or the whirling-reverse swirl? Sound familiar? Both legs, same direction? I know a guy who invented sole kicks for himself- his name is Jacques, so he called them "Jacques Kicks". My point? There's one in here somewhere. Who knows - Jacques got a pointy head. JP "Do your own research and you won't be biased by others' opinions. Get someone else to do it and you won't be biased by your own expectations." Ancient Chinese Secret From owner-freestyle@eniac.yak.net Fri Sep 11 23:48:16 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by eniac.yak.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id XAA16048 for freestyle-outgoing; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:48:16 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: eniac.yak.net: majordom set sender to owner-freestyle using -f Received: from pop03.globecomm.net (pop03.globecomm.net [206.253.130.65]) by Market.NET (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06443 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:50:13 -0700 Received: from who.net (DIALUP.281.com [209.84.39.104] (may be forged)) by pop03.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id SAA13161; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35F9AA75.2140AFB1@who.net> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:55:49 -0500 From: Eric Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Hillebrand CC: freestyle@footbag.org Subject: Re: [freestyle] symposium barfly References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freestyle@footbag.org Matt Hillebrand wrote: > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Derric Scalf wrote: > > > Also, what i